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I cannot.  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:58:13am

Objection! Assumes sanity never introduced into evidence!

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Dr. Matt  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:00:20pm

And God liked it…..

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:00:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:01:22pm

re: #3 FormerDirtDart

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What’s worse? Denying climate change is happening. Acknowledging humans contribute and doing nothing? That’s a rhetorical question by the way. We know the answer.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:02:10pm

re: #2 Dr. Matt

A God liked it…..

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All four those people had their marriages end on their adultery too but hey we need to be more like the Bible says we should! According to a bunch of serial adulterers.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:03:31pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

All four those people had their marriages end on their adultery too but hey we need to be more like the Bible says we should! According to a bunch of serial adulterers.

As wingnuts they get to claim that their god forgives them, and do whatever they like.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:04:14pm

re: #6 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

As wingnuts they get to claim that their god forgives them, and do whatever they like.

Unlimited get out of purgatory/hell free cards.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:07:34pm

Sigh I love my friend but posting a photo of Donald Trump in 1986 getting the Ellis Island doesn’t change what he’s done in his public life nor does saying that people only call him a racist because he’s a Republican. I pointed out the housing lawsuit in the 70’s.

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:07:56pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

All four those people had their marriages end on their adultery too but hey we need to be more like the Bible says we should! According to a bunch of serial adulterers.

Someone should tell them you can’t truly be king until you’ve offed your future spouse’s partner.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:08:24pm

re: #9 Belafon

Someone should tell them you can’t truly be king until you’ve offed your future spouse’s partner.

Don’t give them ideas.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:08:45pm

re: #9 Belafon

Someone should tell them you can’t truly be king until you’ve offed your future spouse’s partner.

That’s a little Oedipal, isn’t it?

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:09:37pm

re: #11 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s a little Oedipal, isn’t it?

Only if you’re their kid. I was thinking of David.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:11:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:12:56pm

re: #13 FormerDirtDart

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Gotta help the Grifters. Sigh with all love to my family in the UK, I wish he’d go back tehre and leave us the hell alone. We got enough crazy dickheads here.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:13:11pm

Thread from yesterday

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:14:54pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:15:51pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:16:30pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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He’s the disgrace. I suspect had he been POTUS during Vietnam, he would have given William Calley a parade and holiday.

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Kragar  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:16:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:16:57pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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It was a 400 Russian guy named Ivan in his mom’s basement, okay!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:17:22pm

re: #19 Kragar

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OFFS.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:17:45pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:17:53pm

Milo is as bizarre, delusional, and fascist as ever.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:18:34pm

re: #19 Kragar

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Do it. Do it. Do it till you’re satisfied like the BT Express!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:19:15pm

re: #19 Kragar

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:20:28pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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It would be interesting to see what happens were a solider, in full uniform, to step in front of the cameras and denounce Trump for spitting in the face of a US soldier who was tortured by the Taliban.

Would the trained seals at Fox bark and clap their flippers on cue?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:21:16pm

re: #19 Kragar

That article is a good example of why I don’t really like PoliticusUSA. Trump said “I don’t know” when asked if he’d fire Sessions. While that’s not a denial, it’s also not really a “threat.”

They often exaggerate and mischaracterize stuff like this. Left wing clickbait.

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Kragar  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:21:22pm
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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:21:39pm

re: #26 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

It would be interesting to see what happens were a solider, in full uniform, to step in front of the cameras and denounce Trump for spitting in the face of a US soldier who was tortured by the Taliban.

Would the trained seals at Fox bark and clap their flippers on cue?

He would be court martialed.

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:22:57pm

re: #24 Joe Bacon 🌹

Whatever it is, do it!
*does a slight 2 step*

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:22:58pm

re: #23 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Milo is as bizarre, delusional, and fascist as ever.

Daddy Trump? Dude, you have issues. But hey tell us more about how the left worshipped Obama, Milo. And don’t flatter yourself buddy, you’re not that special. You were simply a pawn of cynical assholes who saw you as a tool for spreading their bullshit. You’re nothing but a goddamn pawn and what’s even more sad is in a few years you’ll desperately being trying to reinvent yourself because “Daddy Trump” will be a pariah.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:23:32pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

That article is a good example of why I don’t really like PoliticusUSA. Trump said “I don’t know” when asked if he’d fire Sessions. While that’s not a denial, it’s also not really a “threat.”

They often exaggerate and mischaracterize stuff like this. Left wing clickbait.

I mean the demanding Sessions investigate Clinton is bad enough.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:24:40pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Daddy Trump? Dude, you have issues. But hey tell us more about how the left worshipped Obama, Milo. And don’t flatter yourself buddy, you’re not that special. You were simply a pawn of cynical assholes who saw you as a tool for spreading their bullshit. You’re nothing but a goddamn pawn and what’s even more sad is in a few years you’ll desperately being trying to reinvent yourself because “Daddy Trump” will be a pariah.

I think he says “Daddy Trump” to make people who care about America vomit.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:25:42pm

re: #2 Dr. Matt

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And God liked it…..

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There is a substantial amount of data on divorce and religion.
Divorce Rates for Atheists Are Among the Lowest in America

Why Do Conservative Christian Defenders of Marriage Get Divorced More Often?
21% of atheists have been divorced
21% of Catholics and Lutherans have been divorced
24% of Mormons have been divorced
25% of mainstream Protestants have been divorced
29% of Baptists have been divorced
24% of nondenominational, independent Protestants have been divorced

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:27:52pm

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

There is a substantial amount of data on divorce and religion.
Divorce Rates for Atheists Are Among the Lowest in America

Because we don’t have to get married to have sex. The people who do have the highest divorce rate on that list. Considering that, being just 8% higher isn’t that bad.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:28:13pm

re: #33 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I think he says “Daddy Trump” to make people who care about America vomit.

He’s used it before I believe. It’s creepy.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:28:55pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

He’s used it before I believe. It’s creepy.

Yep, and it’s super-creepy. I wonder how his husband feels about it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:33:12pm

re: #37 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Yep, and it’s super-creepy. I wonder how his husband feels about it.

I wonder how his husband feels about a lot of things. Milo’s a creepy, creepy dude. I think he’d portray himself as a womanizer if he thought it would get him publicity but being the gay Jewish racist con sells.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:35:34pm

re: #15 FormerDirtDart

Thread from yesterday

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…so it’s actually worse?

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Kragar  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:36:40pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Local libertarians have a radio show which attended the GOP convention last year. They were talking about Milo between interviews and were “joking” that him being gay didn’t seem to stop him from enjoying the ladies *nudge nudge wink wink*.

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:37:03pm

re: #26 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

It would be interesting to see what happens were a solider, in full uniform, to step in front of the cameras and denounce Trump for spitting in the face of a US soldier who was tortured by the Taliban.

Would the trained seals at Fox bark and clap their flippers on cue?

They already booed an active duty soldier in full uniform for being gay. They already cheered at the thought of an impoverished man without insurance dying and leaving his family destitute.

The American media has turned America’s people into evil monsters.

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Kilroy was here  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:38:54pm
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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:41:45pm

Hey guys, don’t forget!

I wonder how the super soldiers prepare.

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bratwurst  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:42:12pm

I have a tear in my eye.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:42:42pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

You’re not a dictator and you don’t control the military justice system, Donnie.

but you are the head of it…

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:47:16pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:48:49pm

re: #46 JordanRules

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:52:53pm

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

There is a substantial amount of data on divorce and religion.
Divorce Rates for Atheists Are Among the Lowest in America

i have no problem with divorce per se

it’s interesting how many religious people give their word, in front of others, say those words “i do”, “until death” etc and then just dont.

yes there are justifications and unlivable circumstances.
ALL of these are not that.
a lot are merely “oh i didnt think it meant “in this situation”” or
“i never thought THIS would happen”.

better or worse means better or worse

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:59:27pm

I have mentioned several times that I have a very low opinion of deserters (as well as pro-war draft dodgers, fwiw). Whatever you may think of a deployment or your own circumstances, you have an obligation to your comrades once the fight is on.

Even so, the Bergdahl decision is just and reasonable and Trump’s comments criticizing that decision are outrageous, beyond the pale. They would have been unimaginable before the Rancid One took office.
A dishonorable discharge is no small thing. It cuts Bergdahl off from most benefits or federal employment, and from many civilian employment opportunities. The main consideration though is that he has already been imprisoned, by the Taliban, for five years. During that time, he had to be aware that he could be beheaded on a whim, any time the Talib leaders decided they needed to make a point. That he was a favored captive made no difference, he was an American and that was enough to make him a candidate for the chop. Throwing him in federal prison on top of that would be pointless, redundant and cruel.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:01:14pm
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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:01:28pm

This was so awesome!!

Check out #SmithsonianCypher

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Decatur Deb  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:01:53pm

re: #49 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I have mentioned several times that I have a very low opinion of deserters (as well as pro-war draft dodgers, fwiw). Whatever you may think of a deployment or your own circumstances, you have an obligation to your comrades once the fight is on.

Even so, the Bergdahl decision is just and reasonable and Trump’s comments criticizing that decision are outrageous, beyond the pale. They would have been unimaginable before the Rancid One took office.
A dishonorable discharge is no small thing. It cuts Bergdahl off from most benefits or federal employment, and from many civilian employment opportunities. The main consideration though is that he has already been imprisoned, by the Taliban, for five years. During that time, he had to be aware that he could be beheaded on a whim, any time the Talib leaders decided they needed to make a point. That he was a favored captive made no difference, he was an American and that was enough to make him a candidate for the chop. Throwing him in federal prison on top of that would be pointless, redundant and cruel.

Would have been OK with a few years to underline the point, until Doofus in Chief made a command-influence issue of it.

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William Lewis  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:04:48pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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Actually, Herr Feigling, if you had ever served this nation, you’d understand what a harsh punishment a dishonorable discharge is. He will barely be a citizen any more.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:07:15pm

JFC, Bernie Sanders has a cult of followers that’s just as obsessive as Trump’s, and almost as nasty and abusive. I’ve been getting insults spewed at me all night on Twitter for daring to say Bernie wouldn’t have beaten Trump - thousands of them.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:08:00pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

JFC, Bernie Sanders has a cult of followers that’s just as obsessive as Trump’s, and almost as nasty and abusive. I’ve been getting insults spewed at me all night on Twitter for daring to say Bernie wouldn’t have beaten Trump - thousands of them.

Half of them are probably Russian bots. The other half are morons.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:08:27pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

JFC, Bernie Sanders has a cult of followers that’s just as obsessive as Trump’s, and almost as nasty and abusive. I’ve been getting insults spewed at me all night on Twitter for daring to say Bernie wouldn’t have beaten Trump - thousands of them.

I bet a lot of them are Russian but a lot of them are legit too.

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stpaulbear  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:10:27pm

re: #52 Decatur Deb

Would have been OK with a few years to underline the point, until Doofus in Chief made a command-influence issue of it.

John Cole at Balloon Juice has a post up that shows that Trump’s comments are the very reason that the judge didn’t impose any jail time.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:11:37pm

re: #57 stpaulbear

John Cole at Balloon Juice has a post up that shows that Trump’s comments are the very reason that the judge didn’t impose any jail time.

Pretty much the optimal outcome, then.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:12:35pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

He’s used it before I believe. It’s creepy.

No-one wants to picture Trump being Milo’s “daddy.” Oops.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:13:27pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

JFC, Bernie Sanders has a cult of followers that’s just as obsessive as Trump’s, and almost as nasty and abusive. I’ve been getting insults spewed at me all night on Twitter for daring to say Bernie wouldn’t have beaten Trump - thousands of them.

I’ll pay for left-wing hatemail too, but only in discredited cryptocurrency.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:16:10pm

re: #60 Decatur Deb

I’ll pay for left-wing hatemail too, but only in discredited cryptocurrency.

What cryptocurrency is discredited? Bitcoin is at about $7,000 per coin.

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:16:50pm

Oh boy.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:17:27pm

re: #61 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

What cryptocurrency is discredited? Bitcoin is at about $7,000 per coin.

reuters.com

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:21:11pm

re: #63 Decatur Deb

reuters.com

This is known as FUD.

JPMorgan Chief Executive Jamie Dimon last week said Bitcoin, the original and still the biggest cryptocurrency, “is a fraud” and will eventually “blow up”.

They’re trying to tie Bitcoin to a fake coin.

Bitcoin has blown up so much that I kick myself for not buying a lot when they were dirt cheap. I could be a wealthy man today. As it is, I’m making back the cost of my video cards by leasing my hardware to miners when I’m not using them.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:21:28pm

Profits, tax revenue, college students peacefully stoned rather than riotously drunk. What’s not to like?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:23:05pm

re: #65 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Sessions is using Conservative’s reefer madness to try to make himself popular. Won’t work, because even many Conservatives understand that the war on pot is insane.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:23:19pm
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Birth Control Works  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:25:05pm

Just did some xmas shopping.

I love the internet

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Decatur Deb  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:25:28pm

re: #64 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

This is known as FUD.

They’re trying to tie Bitcoin to a fake coin.

Bitcoin has blown up so much that I kick myself for not buying a lot when they were dirt cheap. I could be a wealthy man today. As it is, I’m making back the cost of my video cards by leasing my hardware to miners when I’m not using them.

That’s probably the best side of the experiment to be on. I’m deeply invested in Franklin Mint NASCAR dinnerware.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:25:51pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:27:23pm

re: #69 Decatur Deb

That’s probably the best side of the experiment to be on. I’m deeply invested in Franklin Mint NASCAR dinnerware.

It is for someone who’s not into the cc scene. I don’t even have to think about what currency is more profitable to mine. I just run NiceHash and leave my PC’s on, and take in about twice what I spend on the electricity.

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:27:40pm

re: #65 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Profits, tax revenue, college students peacefully stoned rather than riotously drunk. What’s not to like?

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What Sessions really means: Imagine an America where minorities can’t be targeted for drug possession.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:27:48pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

JFC, Bernie Sanders has a cult of followers that’s just as obsessive as Trump’s, and almost as nasty and abusive. I’ve been getting insults spewed at me all night on Twitter for daring to say Bernie wouldn’t have beaten Trump - thousands of them.

I got into a FB discussion months ago with a Berniebro FOAF. They really believe, based on worthless polls, that he would have won and that we are the deluded ones. They are as mindless as the Trump cult, although I did make one realize that if Jill supporters had voted for Hillary, she would have won. He had been repeating the mantra that Jill voters did not affect the outcome of the election.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:29:57pm

re: #72 Belafon

What Sessions really means: Imagine an America where minorities can’t be targeted for drug possession.

I’m imagining an America where every Walgreens and CVS is distributing dangerous opiates.

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petesh  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:31:48pm

re: #49 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Jail time would have been outrageous under the circumstances, IMHO, and the dishonorable discharge is pretty significant; so seems reasonable to me. I remain sorry for the guy, but I don’t forget his comrades either.

Trump’s bluster on this should be another count in his impeachment. I just hope there aren’t worse to come.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:33:11pm

re: #61 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

What cryptocurrency is discredited? Bitcoin is at about $7,000 per coin.

Tulip bulbs were trading at extraordinary prices in 1637 Netherlands until they crashed.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:34:24pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:34:48pm

re: #76 Hecuba’s daughter

Tulip bulbs were trading at extraordinary prices in 1637 Netherlands until they crashed.

If people could buy drugs and smuggle money across borders with tulips, they would never have crashed.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:36:24pm
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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:37:05pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:37:56pm

re: #79 b.d. (bill d.)

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:39:18pm

re: #81 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He probably believes there’s a pardon in his future.

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:39:56pm

re: #82 Belafon

He probably believes there’s a pardon in his future.

There probably is.

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CleverToad  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:40:49pm

re: #65 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Profits, tax revenue, college students peacefully stoned rather than riotously drunk. What’s not to like?

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Imagine a world where you get $5 coupons for your neighborhood dispensary in the suburban middle-class coupon mailers. Imagine a world where the 80+ year old conservative Republican ladies in the quilting group are discussing how well the edibles worked when they tried them for insomnia (worked, but left them too groggy) and considering trying oils for their arthritis.

Oh yeah, that’s Colorado 2017…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:40:54pm

re: #83 MsJ

There probably is.

Sigh.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:41:35pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

Sigh I love my friend but posting a photo of Donald Trump in 1986 getting the Ellis Island doesn’t change what he’s done in his public life nor does saying that people only call him a racist because he’s a Republican. I pointed out the housing lawsuit in the 70’s.

I remember the Trumporrhoids posting that Ellis Island Award as “proof” that Trump can’t be racist because he had a photo op with Rosa Parks and Muhammed Ali.

I spend some time trying to figure out what you had to do to receive the “Ellis Island Award” and apparently you have to be nominated by somebody (not specified who has to do the nominating). So Trump nominated himself. He probably also pledged a bunch of money, which he never paid.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:46:31pm

re: #86 The Vicious Babushka

I remember the Trumporrhoids posting that Ellis Island Award as “proof” that Trump can’t be racist because he had a photo op with Rosa Parks and Muhammed Ali.

I spend some time trying to figure out what you had to do to receive the “Ellis Island Award” and apparently you have to be nominated by somebody (not specified who has to do the nominating). So Trump nominated himself. He probably also pledged a bunch of money, which he never paid.

Yep he literally did the photo up. Fortunately, two of my friends pointed out the DOJ lawsuit that HRC brought up at the debates. I didn’t know that about the Ellis Island Award. and Trump though. That sounds typical of him though.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:48:03pm

We won the debate though. I didn’t intend for my other friends to tell him he was wrong but he gave up and I let him concede that nothing good was going to come of arguing it so I was nice. I’m pretty easy going even with those I disagree with and am close with so I didn’t want him to feel ganged up on but I did want him to see he was wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:50:30pm

re: #84 CleverToad

Imagine a world where you get $5 coupons for your neighborhood dispensary in the suburban middle-class coupon mailers. Imagine a world where the 80+ year old conservative Republican ladies in the quilting group are discussing how well the edibles worked when they tried them for insomnia (worked, but left them too groggy) and considering trying oils for their arthritis.

Oh yeah, that’s Colorado 2017…

My 90 year old grandmother shocked my Dad and I by saying she’d consider marijuana for her arthritis. Grandma’s politically fairly liberal but in her personal life, pretty conservative: Never smoked a cigarette as far as i know, seldom has ever drank, never did the AC trips like my great aunts did. Her only real vice I’d say is that she enjoys the scratch tickets form time to time and putting a raffle ticket in at the annual Slavic festival.

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mmmirele  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:51:29pm

I have been trying to improve my Spanish, which in some wsys is really good an in others, downright horrible. So I thought I would see what Maduro, the leader of Venezuela, was up to on Twitter. It turns out he was being criticized for pulling an empanada out of a desk drawer and eating it on TV while so many Venezuelans are going hungry.

This verb form threw me for a loop:

atapuzándose

It turns out it’s a colloquial verb form used mainly in Venezuela, and Maduro wasn’t merely eating the empanada, he was stuffing his face with it.

I’m probably never going to have the opportunity to use atapuzárse in any real conversation, but I will probably never forget it.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:52:51pm

re: #19 Kragar

There is nothing fascist about prosecuting your former political opponent for nefarious reasons. No siree bob. /s

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:53:20pm

re: #90 mmmirele

Maybe we should start a gofundme for a guillotine to be sent to Venezuela. Maybe that’ll remind him of what peasants are capable of when hungry.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:56:53pm

re: #90 mmmirele

I have been trying to improve my Spanish, which in some wsys is really good an in others, downright horrible. So I thought I would see what Maduro, the leader of Venezuela, was up to on Twitter. It turns out he was being criticized for pulling an empanada out of a desk drawer and eating it on TV while so many Venezuelans are going hungry.

This verb form threw me for a loop:

atapuzándose

It turns out it’s a colloquial verb form used mainly in Venezuela, and Maduro wasn’t merely eating the empanada, he was stuffing his face with it.

I’m probably never going to have the opportunity to use atapuzárse in any real conversation, but I will probably never forget it.

It always amazed me how Chavez and now Maduro have a lot of lefty admirers out there. Not mainstream lefty midn you but a lot of people who would rightfully despise Maduro and Hugo if they were rightsists.

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petesh  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:57:31pm

re: #91 Patricia Kayden

There is nothing fascist about prosecuting your former political opponent for nefarious reasons. No siree bob. /s

Likewise your next. IF Trump is in office in 1019 (which I doubt) then those jockeying for the Dec nomination will be in seriously illegal jeopardy.

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wrenchwench  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:58:46pm

re: #90 mmmirele

I have been trying to improve my Spanish, which in some wsys is really good an in others, downright horrible. So I thought I would see what Maduro, the leader of Venezuela, was up to on Twitter. It turns out he was being criticized for pulling an empanada out of a desk drawer and eating it on TV while so many Venezuelans are going hungry.

This verb form threw me for a loop:

atapuzándose

It turns out it’s a colloquial verb form used mainly in Venezuela, and Maduro wasn’t merely eating the empanada, he was stuffing his face with it.

I’m probably never going to have the opportunity to use atapuzárse in any real conversation, but I will probably never forget it.

There’s probably a special word for the desk drawer where you keep your empanadas.

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jaunte  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:00:57pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

If you have a conversation with one of them, tell them one of the ways Chavez wrecked the economy and government functions in Venezuela was by doing exactly what Trump is doing here: making patronage appointments of people who were clearly not equipped to do the jobs they found themselves in.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:01:26pm

re: #95 wrenchwench

There’s probably a special word for the desk drawer where you keep your empanadas.

I wish our language was as wonderfully versatile as say German and Spanish. My SiL and her family like to tease my brother on how poor his Spanish is but they do appreciate that he tries. It was really cool because his brother in law was with at a baseball game. He’s from El Salvador so my Dad who speaks some Spanish asked him if he could tell us where the Spanish speakers in front of us were from. He picked up on that they were likely Dominican or Puerto Rican based on their slang and all that and how they were making little bets on everything going on during the game. Well because we were all there rooting for the Orioles. We all became friends quickly.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:01:53pm

re: #96 jaunte

If you have a conversation with one of them, tell them one of the ways Chavez wrecked the economy and government functions in Venezuela was by doing exactly what Trump is doing here: making patronage appointments of people who were clearly not equipped to do the jobs they found themselves in.

I thankfully haven’t talked with any of them in years but I will certainly do that.

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:08:04pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

English is extremely versatile. If you want to use atapuzándose, drop the accent and start using it.

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CleverToad  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:08:44pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

My 90 year old grandmother shocked my Dad and I by saying she’d consider marijuana for her arthritis. Grandma’s politically fairly liberal but in her personal life, pretty conservative: Never smoked a cigarette as far as i know, seldom has ever drank, never did the AC trips like my great aunts did. Her only real vice I’d say is that she enjoys the scratch tickets form time to time and putting a raffle ticket in at the annual Slavic festival.

90-year-old ladies are entitled to whatever vices they still enjoy! Scratch tickets and Slavic festivals sound like fun ones. :)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:09:32pm

re: #99 Belafon

English is extremely versatile. If you want to use atapuzándose, drop the accent and start using it.

True, fuck for example very versatile. What I love about German though is how there seems to be a word for everything. My favorite being the punchable face. Language is great.

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jaunte  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:10:11pm

I atapuzaned maself at lunch and I don’t feel much like dinner.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:10:20pm

re: #100 CleverToad

90-year-old ladies are entitled to whatever vices they still enjoy! Scratch tickets and Slavic festivals sound like fun ones. :)

Absolutely. And I have her to thank for my love of that food. It’s the food she grew up on.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:10:58pm

re: #83 MsJ

There probably is.

I would not bet my freedom on Donny Trump.

If he goes down in an actual impeachment or is charged criminally he will think all those around him screwed him over and they were responsible for it all. So, no pardons…everyone for themselves.

Heck, he might even toss some of them to the wolves himself and tell the Feds what everyone did and how they all told Donny he could get away with it.

There is no personal responsibility in Donny, but there is a lot of spite and payback.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:11:02pm

I have definitely atapuzaned myself with greasy food on a hangover in my younger days.

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wrenchwench  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:11:21pm

re: #102 jaunte

I atapuzaned maself at lunch and I don’t feel much like dinner.

You don’t look much like dinner, either, so that works.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:11:51pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

You don’t look much like dinner, either, so that works.

*WHACK!*

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jaunte  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:11:55pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

Always happy to promote anti-cannibal sentiment.

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:13:13pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

True, fuck for example very versatile. What I love about German though is how there seems to be a word for everything. My favorite being the punchable face. Language is great.

When I was an elementary school kid, middle 70s, we were taught to draw the little tail on the bottom of the c in façade, just like the browser inserted. After a while, it just got dropped.

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wrenchwench  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:13:15pm

re: #107 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

*WHACK!*

I don’t know what jaunte looks like, but at this point, I don’t know what dinner looks like either.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:13:41pm

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

There is a substantial amount of data on divorce and religion.
Divorce Rates for Atheists Are Among the Lowest in America

Still tricky. What about people who live together without being married? Those breakups are not registered as divorces. Religious folks probably less likely to do so.

Still, stats indicate that religious affiliation does not make marriage/life partnership considerably more or less stable, long-lasting or “sanctified”

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makeitstop  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:14:10pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

You don’t look much like dinner, either, so that works.

Depends on how you prepare him.

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CleverToad  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:14:32pm

re: #90 mmmirele

re: #99 Belafon

English is extremely versatile. If you want to use atapuzándose, drop the accent and start using it.

And then you get to explain what it means, and possibly hook someone else on a lovely useful term. Win/win! Language is fascinating.

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whitebeach  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:14:34pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

I wish our language was as wonderfully versatile as say German and Spanish.

I believe this is the only time I’ve ever heard the English language accused of a lack of versatility.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:15:01pm

re: #65 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Profits, tax revenue, college students peacefully stoned rather than riotously drunk. What’s not to like?

Marijuana need not be sold a grocery stores, just legally available…regulated and taxed.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:15:21pm

re: #114 whitebeach

I believe this is the only time I’ve ever heard the English language accused of a lack of versatility.

Versatility wasn’t the word I guess. I was looking for precise. Like you know how German, they have words for literally every situation you can think of.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:16:21pm

re: #115 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Marijuana need not be sold a grocery stores, just legally available…regulated and taxed.

Honestly in time, I wouldn’t mind it like tobacco and alcohol products being available at grocery stores but then again there are places that don’t sell alcohol at grocery stores either so I’m used to Virginia.

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whitebeach  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:16:36pm

re: #113 CleverToad

And then you get to explain what it means, and possibly hook someone else on a lovely useful term. Win/win! Language is fascinating.

Plus, two years later, it’s in Webster’s.

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:18:27pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

Versatility wasn’t the word I guess. I was looking for precise. Like you know how German, they have words for literally every situation you can think of.

They don’t, or their language would be infinite in size. What they do have is a history of taking individual words and mashing them together into one word. We’d call them phrases if they left in the spaces.

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wrenchwench  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:18:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:20:28pm

re: #119 Belafon

They don’t, or their language would be infinite in size. What they do have is a history of taking individual words and mashing them together into one word. We’d call them phrases if they left in the spaces.

True, true. You’re right.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:20:51pm

re: #120 wrenchwench

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I’m hoping this guy is the next Senator from Texas. He’s awesome.

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whitebeach  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:24:20pm

re: #119 Belafon

They don’t, or their language would be infinite in size. What they do have is a history of taking individual words and mashing them together into one word. We’d call them phrases if they left in the spaces.

As usual, Mark Twain explained things for us long ago, in an essay called “The Awful German Language.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:26:06pm

mentalfloss.com
This is a good list:

13. Zhaghzhagh (Persian)
The chattering of teeth from the cold or from rage.

34. Bilita Mpash (Bantu)
An amazing dream. Not just a “good” dream; the opposite of a nightmare.

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wrenchwench  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:28:24pm

In case anyone missed my posting of this on the previous thread, it just conveniently reappeared on my feed:

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:29:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:30:09pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

In case anyone missed my posting of this on the previous thread, it just conveniently reappeared on my feed:

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Is it wrong I want an empanada now? I love Latin food.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:30:52pm

re: #90 mmmirele

I have been trying to improve my Spanish, which in some wsys is really good an in others, downright horrible. So I thought I would see what Maduro, the leader of Venezuela, was up to on Twitter. It turns out he was being criticized for pulling an empanada out of a desk drawer and eating it on TV while so many Venezuelans are going hungry.

This verb form threw me for a loop:

atapuzándose

It turns out it’s a colloquial verb form used mainly in Venezuela, and Maduro wasn’t merely eating the empanada, he was stuffing his face with it.

I’m probably never going to have the opportunity to use atapuzárse in any real conversation, but I will probably never forget it.

It’s not a unique verb form—it’s the gerund (with a reflexive pronoun). The infinitive verb is atapuzar. Esta atapuzandose—stuffing himself.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:30:59pm

re: #126 Ace-o-aces

aceoaces @aceoaces
Have you met your father?
5:29 PM - Nov 3, 2017

Unfortunately she has. We’ve seen the pictures. She is still covering for him.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:31:17pm

re: #126 Ace-o-aces

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Or her brother who said women should just leave their jobs if they’re harassed. Face it Ivanka, you’re a fraud.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:32:28pm

You know why this blog rules? We can discuss music, sports, politics, & today language.

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:36:21pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

You know why this blog rules? We can discuss music, sports, politics, & today language.

And pizza. Don’t forget pizza.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:36:47pm

Jew-bashing Georgia candidate says ‘at least Nazis contributed to US society’

Georgia city council candidate this week was forced to defend a series of anti-Semitic tweets, including a declaration that “at least the Nazis assimilated and contributed to US society,” the Atlantic-Journal Constitution reports.

The tweets from Suwanee City Council candidate Joe Briggs resurfaced in recent days, including posts comparing Jews to Nazis and referring to Zionists as “cockroaches.”

“CNN is run by white supremacists,” Briggs tweeted in August after CNN fired former commentator Jeffrey Lord for tweeting “Sieg Heil!” at the president of Media Matters. “Zionists in Israel far worse than anything described in Mein Kampf. Get over it,” Briggs added.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:37:41pm

re: #133 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Jew-bashing Georgia candidate says ‘at least Nazis contributed to US society’

I can’t even laugh at how wrong that is.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:37:53pm

re: #132 Belafon

And pizza. Don’t forget pizza.

Of course!

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:40:04pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

I can’t even laugh at how wrong that is.

What did the Nazi’s give us? Rockets.
What did the Jews give us? Nothing.

Ahem: The atomic bomb.

Yes, there are many other things.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:50:31pm

re: #136 Belafon

What did the Nazi’s give us? Rockets.
What did the Jews give us? Nothing.

Ahem: The atomic bomb.

Yes, there are many other things.

But what did the Jews take away from you?
Here’s your polio back.

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DesertDenizen  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:52:38pm

re: #126 re: #129 ObserverArt

Unfortunately she has. We’ve seen the pictures. She is still covering for him.

She’s been sexually harassed by her father.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:52:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:54:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:56:51pm

re: #136 Belafon

What did the Nazi’s give us? Rockets.
What did the Jews give us? Nothing.

Ahem: The atomic bomb.

Yes, there are many other things.

I’d be here all night and then some if I had to list the contributions Jews have made to our country.

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wrenchwench  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:59:52pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

kitteh vs crawdads:

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They smell like food, but they bite you first!

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:01:40pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

I’d be here all night and then some if I had to list the contributions Jews have made to our country.

Easily. I suspect the idiot was thinking in terms of military contributions. But the Nazis lose even on that front.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:06:10pm

re: #143 Belafon

Easily. I suspect the idiot, though, was thinking in terms of military contributions. But the Nazis lose even on that front.

Didn’t know this but the founder of the Green Berets was Jewish. Per wiki, 500,000 Jews served in WWII with 50,000 or so being decorated.

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electrotek  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:10:01pm

But Nazis contributed more towards Western civilization than Muslims did.

/s

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:12:02pm

re: #145 electrotek

But Nazis contributed more towards Western civilization than Muslims did.

/s

You jest obviously but there are certainly people who believe that.

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electrotek  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:19:27pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

You jest obviously but there are certainly people who believe that.

I’ve posted about it on here after Charlottesville. Remember the tweets of that dude who claimed that Nazis were better than Muslims because they didn’t force women to cover up head to toe and provided better rights for women?

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petesh  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:20:05pm

re: #145 electrotek

But Nazis contributed more towards Western civilization than Muslims did.

/s

Right, with their Hindu insignia and their Arabic numerals and their American eugenic laws … just throwing that last one in because it happens to be true, though their Dear Leader rather “perfected” the application of them. Dammit, this world has been interconnected since humans started wandering out of Africa. For better AND worse.

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bratwurst  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:20:45pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

Per wiki, 500,000 Jews served in WWII

My great uncle was one of them, at Iwo Jima.

When my grandfather asked him if he’d be going there for the 50th anniversary events in 1995, my great uncle assured him that as he’d never wanted to be there in the first place, he certainly would not be making a return trip.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:22:32pm

re: #147 electrotek

I’ve posted about it on here after Charlottesville. Remember the tweets of that dude who claimed that Nazis were better than Muslims because they didn’t force women to cover up head to toe and provided better rights for women?

I do. Gah.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:22:50pm
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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:23:08pm

re: #136 Belafon

What did the Nazi’s give us? Rockets.
What did the Jews give us? Nothing.

Ahem: The atomic bomb.

Yes, there are many other things.

Rockets were in existence long before Nazis.

And like Nazis, the New York Times was wrong about them too.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:24:05pm

re: #149 bratwurst

My great uncle was one of them, at Iwo Jima.

When my grandfather asked him if he’d be going there for the 50th anniversary events in 1995, my great uncle assured him that as he’d never wanted to be there in the first place, he certainly would not be making a return trip.

I’m sure my grandfather felt the same way about Korea. He told my brother and I that he practically kissed the ground when he got home.

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:24:14pm

re: #151 FormerDirtDart

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Honestly, Hillary or someone on her staff need to tell Brazile that if one copy of her books hits the shelves next week, Brazile will be sued for libel. It’s time to stop playing nice with the Sanders left and start driving them into ruin.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:26:29pm

re: #151 FormerDirtDart

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So the DNC favored the likely nominee in a general election? I’m supposed to be bithersd why? I’m more upset at how Sanders went back on his agreement. I’m not a fan but a lot of college kids whose votes we could use are.

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electrotek  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:26:34pm

re: #148 petesh

Right, with their Hindu insignia and their Arabic numerals and their American eugenic laws … just throwing that last one in because it happens to be true, though their Dear Leader rather “perfected” the application of them. Dammit, this world has been interconnected since humans started wandering out of Africa. For better AND worse.

They gave us the Autobahn, which lead to the US Interstate system! Don’t you get it, they helped make America great by allowing us to be more reliant on our automobiles.

BECAUSE FREEDOM FROM THE TYRANNY OF MASS TRANSIT

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:28:35pm

Under the general heading of “Julian Assange is a greasy piece of shit who is Putin’s corrupt butt-boy” - add this entry:

“If one document from the Clinton emails was altered, it stands to reason that others may have been as well. After all, releasing tainted leaks would hardly be a new practice for Russian hackers.
In 2017 researchers at the Citizen Lab group released a study indicating that Russian hackers have a pattern of tampering with documents leaked by its hackers to serve the purposes of its propaganda.
“This report describes an extensive Russia-linked phishing and disinformation campaign,” the authors wrote. “It provides evidence of how documents stolen from a prominent journalist and critic of Russia was tampered with and then ‘leaked’ to achieve specific propaganda aims. We name this technique ‘tainted leaks.’”
The authors added, “The report illustrates how the twin strategies of phishing and tainted leaks are sometimes used in combination to infiltrate civil society targets, and to seed mistrust and disinformation. It also illustrates how domestic considerations, specifically concerns about regime security, can motivate espionage operations, particularly those targeting civil society.”

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CleverToad  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:29:31pm

re: #154 Brian J.

Honestly, Hillary or someone on her staff need to tell Brazile that if one copy of her books hits the shelves next week, Brazile will be sued for libel. It’s time to stop playing nice with the Sanders left and start driving them into ruin.

No.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:30:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:30:39pm

I like to bond with Jewish friends of Eastern European background since we have a lot of the same culinary customs: Silvovitz, potato pancakes, pieogis, stuffed cabbage. The biggest difference though is we eat pork and well you know Jewish tradition. Culture bonding over food is good.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:31:22pm

re: #159 FormerDirtDart

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Good. Rizzo was a racist asshole.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:32:35pm

Add Glenn Greenwald to the list of gullible fucking assholes who have poured gasoline on American democracy to gratify their own infantile egos,.

More on Salon about how the “leaked” emails were edited to make them look more incriminating.

Useful idiots are one thing. Malevolent saboteurs are another.

What not just outright forge & make shit up?

Oh yeah.

That’s Fox News’ job.

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fern01  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:37:45pm

re: #48 dangerman

i have no problem with divorce per se

it’s interesting how many religious people give their word, in front of others, say those words “i do”, “until death” etc and then just dont.

yes there are justifications and unlivable circumstances.
ALL of these are not that.
a lot are merely “oh i didnt think it meant “in this situation”” or
“i never thought THIS would happen”.

better or worse means better or worse

I went through personal hell when my first marriage broke down & I realized I had made the vow “for better or worse”. I eventually concluded that no person should ask another to make such a vow - and my relationship with religion ended. My second marriage was a civil service, for legal reasons only. We made no life long vows and exchanged no rings. 40 years later that marriage survives.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:40:51pm

re: #162 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Add Glenn Greenwald to the list of gullible fucking assholes who have poured gasoline on American democracy to gratify their own infantile egos,.

More on Salon about how the “leaked” emails were edited to make them look more incriminating.

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What not just outright forge & make shit up?

Oh yeah.

That’s Fox News’ job.

And you know what, a lot of people on the left were happy to spread Greenwald and the Kremlin’s bullshit because they could not accept that Hillary Rodham Clinton was more popular with voters than Bernie Sanders. And we’re still fighting this thanks to Brazile’s dishonesty from yesterday and Warren’s cynical attempt to court the BBs for her own likely run in 2020.

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:41:14pm

Update from Louisiana: Maybe Derrick Edwards has a better chance than most people think. From the former executive director of the LA GOP, Jeff Crouere:

CROUERE: Well, if New Orleans has a bigger turnout than we expect, the estimates I’m hearing are 30% 31, 32% maybe more roughly what I’ve been hearing, Then you have the possibility that this thing could be getting even closer because there would be a differential of maybe 30 points between New Orleans turn out and what we can see statewide.

So I think that’s what has John Schroeder a little bit concerned. I think he’s really trying to hit his base. He’s coming on my program, he’s going to be doing various talk shows—just to remind people that he needs to get out the vote on the 18th.

Vote for Derrick Edwards. Early voting under way now, Election Day is November 18.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:44:28pm

re: #154 Brian J.

Honestly, Hillary or someone on her staff need to tell Brazile that if one copy of her books hits the shelves next week, Brazile will be sued for libel. It’s time to stop playing nice with the Sanders left and start driving them into ruin.

I am curious as to who they think Brazile’s natural audience is for this book?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:44:47pm

I consider myself a staunch liberal but A) I don’t have a problem with Democrats choosing the direction their party goes in, B) I have more appreciation for someone like Clinton who has being in all 50 states to campaign for Democrats of varying ideological stripes over someone like Sanders whom until last year had never campaigned for anyone other than himself, and C) I sincerely think Clinton is just as if not more progressive than Sanders in many ways, and D) I have no problem declaring myself not a fan of Bernie Sanders.

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electrotek  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:45:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:46:47pm

re: #166 b.d. (bill d.)

I am curious as to who they think Brazile’s natural audience is for this book?

I haven’t a clue. I think some Dem operatives like Donna and some elected officials like Senator Warren see that he did garner a good amount of support last year and think we should go after those voters. And you know what, I understand but the way to do that is issues orientated not pandering to the fantasies some of them have that the DNC stole the nomination from Sanders through illegal or otherwise nefarious means. I am actually sympathetic to a lot of what Sanders stands for, not everything but a fair amount but where he has lost me big time is how insensitive he is on racial and gender issues.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:48:24pm

re: #168 electrotek

Stephen Paddock was a Trump supporter

Egg on the faces of those who wanted to portray him as being a liberal not like they care though. They really wanted to make it like he chose a country music festival because only conservatives like country music or something.

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:49:09pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

I haven’t a clue. I think some Dem operatives like Donna and some elected officials like Senator Warren see that he did garner a good amount of support last year and think we should go after those voters. And you know what, I understand but the way to do that is issues orientated not pandering to the fantasies some of them have that the DNC stole the nomination from Sanders through illegal or otherwise nefarious means. I am actually sympathetic to a lot of what Sanders stands for, not everything but a fair amount but where he has lost me big time is how insensitive he is on racial and gender issues.

That would explain the audience for a Sanders book (although both of his fell well short of bestseller status). It doesn’t explain the audience for a Donna Brazile book, since most Sandbaggers wouldn’t know who she is and most who would know regarded her as an enemy until she spun her lies.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:51:55pm

re: #171 Brian J.

That would explain the audience for a Sanders book (although both of his fell well short of bestseller status). It doesn’t explain the audience for a Donna Brazile book, since most Sandbaggers wouldn’t know who she is and most who would know regarded her as an enemy until she spun her lies.

I dunno honestly. Maybe she thinks by getting on Sanders good side, he’ll make her part of his team should he run in 2020. To be honest, after learning more about him, I really did not see what all the fuss was about. I’m thoroughly unimpressed with Sanders as a politician. I was stunned seeing how little he’s gotten accomplished but the more I’ve seen with him since last January I can see why. I also have seen why so few elected officials endorsed him and most of the people who did endorse him were idealistic celebrities.

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Jay C  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:53:28pm

re: #166 b.d. (bill d.)

I am curious as to who they think Brazile’s natural audience is for this book?

The Beltway Village.
And The Village Media.

The book itself is probably irrelevant: the “splash” has already been made.
Why, though, is another (and to me, still open) question.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:54:12pm

re: #173 Jay C

The Beltway Village.
And The Village Media.

The book itself is probably irrelevant: the “splash” has already been made.
Why, though, is another (and to me, still open) question.

It seems to me too often books these days are not about people reading them but rather the hype around them.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:55:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:56:54pm

blech

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:59:29pm

re: #175 Ace-o-aces

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An aggressive war on judges. Yeah, that’s a good look for you when the President is under investigation for obstruction of justice. Anyhow, Erick, I forget but when did your double chin ass serve in the military? The judges who made the ruling on Bergdhal are military judges who have a far greater understanding of military issues than you ever will. The guy was dishonorably discharged. He’s not going to have an easy life. Why the hell do you need to make his life even more miserable than it already is when frigging POTUS thinks he should have be shot by firing squad.

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fern01  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:59:46pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

blech

Looking so much forward

No-one else can massacre language in quite the same way

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:59:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:00:08pm

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

blech

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Oh that makes me sick. In this case, I’m glad there are few WWII vets because he doesn’t deserve to be in the same room with those great men.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:00:36pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Great news.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:01:37pm
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petesh  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:01:44pm

re: #157 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Under the general heading of “Julian Assange is a greasy piece of shit who is Putin’s corrupt butt-boy” - add this entry:

St Julian? Well, shiver my timbers! /s

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petesh  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:02:53pm

re: #162 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Add Glenn Greenwald to the list of gullible fucking assholes who have poured gasoline on American democracy to gratify their own infantile egos ….

St Glenn? This is too much to bear! /s

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:03:31pm

re: #184 petesh

St Glenn? This is too much to bear! /s

I have to say. I’ve never liked Greenwald. The guy’s a dick. Not to mention a massive hypocrite.

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petesh  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:06:08pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

I have to say. I’ve never liked Greenwald. The guy’s a dick. Not to mention a massive hypocrite.

I first ran into his writing during the Iraq war, when I liked some of his work but even then I strongly disliked his response to the mildest request for clarification, let along criticism. Ah, I thought, a dick. How right I was.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:06:09pm

I’m so fucking sick of this backstabbing, self serving bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:07:37pm

re: #186 petesh

I first ran into his writing during the Iraq war, when I liked some of his work but even then I strongly disliked his response to the mildest request for clarification, let along criticism. Ah, I thought, a dick. How right I was.

I mean even if you agree with someone on issues, you can still think they’re a dick. I’ve found Bill Maher insufferable for years.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:07:46pm

This trip will take Trump closer to Viet Nam than he has ever been.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:07:52pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

I have to say. I’ve never liked Greenwald. The guy’s a dick. Not to mention a massive hypocrite.

I liked him, but that was a lifetime ago when I read him in print, before the Internet showed me too much of Glenn.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:09:00pm

re: #189 Decatur Deb

This trip will take Trump closer to Viet Nam than he has ever been.

He’s going to put Ketchup on his pho isn’t he?

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:09:04pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

I have to say. I’ve never liked Greenwald. The guy’s a dick. Not to mention a massive hypocrite.

That might be the nicest thing ever said about him.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:10:05pm

re: #190 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I liked him, but that was a lifetime ago when I read him in print, before the Internet showed me too much of Glenn.

I hear ya. My first exposure was a journal article he did on Portugal’s drug decriminalizing. A good read but yeah seeing how he acts online says it all really.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:12:12pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:13:40pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

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It’s not even going to sell her book to the people excited by her claim. They have the claim to pass along online, no need to read a book.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:14:17pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

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I hate to say it but she lied. She’s been in politics a long time. The question is why, why lie? The Sanderistas hated her guts. She has no political aspirations herself and probably is done as a major player in politics.

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wrenchwench  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:14:19pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Rosa Maria is finally free]

My phone call worked!

/left a message on the unhelpful rep’s DC machine

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:14:33pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:14:54pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

I hear ya. My first exposure was a journal article he did on Portugal’s drug decriminalizing. A good read but yeah seeing how he acts online says it all really.

Matt Tiabbi is another guy who’s written a lot of good stuff, but has horrifying baggage that makes him unacceptable.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:16:38pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:16:43pm

It’s Friday. Where are my leaks about indictments?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:16:48pm

re: #199 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Matt Tiabbi is another guy who’s written a lot of good stuff, but has horrifying baggage that makes him unacceptable.

Right I had a bad vibe about him before he went BB and the reveals about him sexually harassing young women reporters with a buddy.

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petesh  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:17:11pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

I mean even if you agree with someone on issues, you can still think they’re a dick. I’ve found Bill Maher insufferable for years.

True of many militant atheists, unfortunately. PZ Myers is OK by me but then he has actively broken with the most dickish ones. I am not a believer but I have friends who are, of several different religions, and all of them are appalled by many of their co-religionists. Some days I don’t like people much. Except you of course.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:17:19pm

re: #201 Decatur Deb

It’s Friday. Where are my leaks about indictments?

Go find Herr Mueller at the pub.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:18:30pm

re: #202 HappyWarrior

Right I had a bad vibe about him before he went BB and the reveals about him sexually harassing young women reporters with a buddy.

Without the Internet, just knowing him through Rolling Stone, we wouldn’t have gotten the bad vibe.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:18:57pm

re: #201 Decatur Deb

It’s Friday. Where are my leaks about indictments?

Donnie has set his watch to Hawaii time, we still have a few hours to go…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:19:19pm

re: #203 petesh

True of many militant atheists, unfortunately. PZ Myers is OK by me but then he has actively broken with the most dickish ones. I am not a believer but I have friends who are, of several different religions, and all of them are appalled by many of their co-religionists. Some days I don’t like people much. Except you of course.

I’m an Agnostic but I also acknowledge Catholicism’s impact on my philosophy as both my parents were raised Catholic and my four grandparents too. Plus yeah I have friends and family who are too. It’s not for me but believing in God doesn’t make you stupid or a bad person.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:19:48pm

re: #203 petesh

True of many militant atheists, unfortunately. PZ Myers is OK by me but then he has actively broken with the most dickish ones. I am not a believer but I have friends who are, of several different religions, and all of them are appalled by many of their co-religionists. Some days I don’t like people much. Except you of course.

PZ is on the liberal, feminist side of the split. It’s sad that so many atheists are reactionaries.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:20:25pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:20:34pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

I’m an Agnostic but I also acknowledge Catholicism’s impact on my philosophy as both my parents were raised Catholic and my four grandparents too. Plus yeah I have friends and family who are too. It’s not for me but believing in God doesn’t make you stupid or a bad person.

Believing in young-Earth creationism on the other hand…

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wrenchwench  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:20:42pm

re: #203 petesh

True of many militant atheists, unfortunately. PZ Myers is OK by me but then he has actively broken with the most dickish ones. I am not a believer but I have friends who are, of several different religions, and all of them are appalled by many of their co-religionists. Some days I don’t like people much. Except you of course.

I hate it when the obnoxious militant atheist is also a cyclist.

/M. Shermer

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:21:16pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:21:29pm

re: #205 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Without the Internet, just knowing him through Rolling Stone, we wouldn’t have gotten the bad vibe.

Actually I had that vibe through RS. He just I dunno had a self righteous vibe to him ya know? I used to feel that way about Olbermann and I still kinda do. Now Ed Schultz, that’s someone I never liked or trusted and now he’s the resident “progressive” on RT since msnbc fired him for being a jackass.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:22:25pm

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tammy is fucking nuts.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:22:29pm

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m not kissing his ass Tomi but he and Manning have done far more good for this country than you.

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:23:29pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Go find Herr Mueller at the pub.

Last Friday’s lead wasn’t until 7:30pm Central time.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:23:38pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

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Oh Christ. You had to go & insult St. Bernie of Sanders on Twitter, didn’t cha?

Stand by for incoming. Hope you’ve got the “Block” button well-lubed this Friday afternoon, because it’s gonna get a workout.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:23:46pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

Actually I had that vibe through RS. He just I dunno had a self righteous vibe to him ya know? I used to feel that way about Olbermann and I still kinda do. Now Ed Schultz, that’s someone I never liked or trusted and now he’s the resident “progressive” on RT since msnbc fired him for being a jackass.

I didn’t. I felt the same about Olbermann, but in the times we live in, he doesn’t seem over the top anymore.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:23:47pm

re: #210 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Believing in young-Earth creationism on the other hand…

Oh yeah, I don’t see how anyone can believe that. But believe in a God or Gods? Yeah.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:23:55pm

Also: I’m really, really starting to hate BernieBros

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:24:32pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:24:58pm

re: #219 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah, I don’t see how anyone can believe that. But believe in a God or Gods? Yeah.

I’ll stick with Thor. The new film is supposed to be very funny.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:26:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:26:56pm

re: #218 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I didn’t. I felt the same about Olbermann, but in the times we live in, he doesn’t seem over the top anymore.

I felt the whole “Worst Person” in the world thing a bit over the top. Plus, there are stories about how he was to work with. He’s actually someone because we’re both sports fans that I do like hearing from but he had an obnoxious vibe. He’s gotten better because yeah the times we’re in. Now as for liberal talking heads and comics I do like, I’ve always liked Jon Stewart. Stephen Colbert also. I’m also fond of Patton Oswald. Not only funny but I have a minor personal connection since my two cousins attended high school with him. One being older than Patton, the other being younger. Plus you just had to feel for the guy after he lost his wife the way he did but he trekked on and still maintained his great sense of humor.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:27:22pm

re: #216 Brian J.

Last Friday’s lead wasn’t until 7:30pm Central time.

‘Scuse me while I jones.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:27:35pm

re: #222 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I’ll stick with Thor. The new film is supposed to be very funny.

I like Loki but that’s because my Dad’s friend had a Pyrenees named Loki who reminded me of a big polar bear.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:27:55pm

re: #222 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I’ll stick with Thor. The new film is supposed to be very funny.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:28:32pm

re: #223 goddamnedfrank

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I think that’s the most maddening thing of all Frank. I didn’t like or trust Sanders or Turner. Wasn’t really on board with Warren as a Presidential candidate for other reasons but hey different strokes for different folks but she really disappointed me here.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:28:39pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

I felt the whole “Worst Person” in the world thing a bit over the top. Plus, there are stories about how he was to work with. He’s actually someone because we’re both sports fans that I do like hearing from but he had an obnoxious vibe. He’s gotten better because yeah the times we’re in. Now as for liberal talking heads and comics I do like, I’ve always liked Jon Stewart. Stephen Colbert also. I’m also fond of Patton Oswald. Not only funny but I have a minor personal connection since my two cousins attended high school with him. One being older than Patton, the other being younger. Plus you just had to feel for the guy after he lost his wife the way he did but he trekked on and still maintained his great sense of humor.

Patton’s new stand up on Netflix made me laugh, and made me cry.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:30:14pm

re: #229 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Patton’s new stand up on Netflix made me laugh, and made me cry.

I’ll have to check it out. He’s resilient and funny as hell. I have one of his CDs on my iPod.

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electrotek  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:31:31pm

Saipov has done irreversible damage to the perception of Uzbeks.

Uzbek Muslims are living in fear after NY terrorist attack

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:31:53pm

re: #230 HappyWarrior

I’ll have to check it out. He’s resilient and funny as hell. I have one of his CDs on my iPod.

It’s heartbreaking hearing him talk about how he explained their loss to his daughter.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:34:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:35:31pm

re: #232 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s heartbreaking hearing him talk about how he explained their loss to his daughter.

I just can’t imagine. Two of my great grandfathers were widowed young. My grandma’s dad remarried to my grandmother’s mother but my Nana, her dad never remarried. It’s heartbreaking to lose a spouse at any age I imagine but that suddenly, man. I am glad Patton’s found love again but I know he still misses her too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:36:01pm

re: #208 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

PZ is on the liberal, feminist side of the split. It’s sad that so many atheists are reactionaries.

I am leery of anyone who sees the absence of belief as an essential organizing principle.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:36:19pm

re: #231 electrotek

Saipov has done irreversible damage to the perception of Uzbeks.

Uzbek Muslims are living in fear after NY terrorist attack

But no middle aged white dude was afraid of persecution after Vegas. Oh, bask in that privilege!

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:36:58pm

re: #232 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He’s getting married tomorrow. He and Meredith seem very happy and I wish them the best!
I still need to watch the new special. I know I’m going to cry my ass off so I’m not sure if I’m ready yet.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:37:40pm

re: #220 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Also: I’m really, really starting to hate BernieBros

Way ahead of you there, hoss.

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electrotek  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:38:14pm

re: #236 GlutenFreeJesus

But no middle aged white dude was afraid of persecution after Vegas. Oh, bask in that privilege!

Yup.

And this in spite of the fact that Uzbeks in America are not even religious for the most part. I think that article mentions an Uzbek that runs a bar out in Brooklyn.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:39:25pm

re: #220 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Also: I’m really, really starting to hate BernieBros

re: #238 Blind Frog Belly White

Way ahead of you there, hoss.

Who does it serve when Berniacs hate Clintonistas and both sides turn on the field of emerging Dems?

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electrotek  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:39:33pm

You know, can you imagine the outrage if this attack was done by a Rohingya instead?

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Unabogie  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:39:42pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:39:45pm

re: #236 GlutenFreeJesus

But no middle aged white dude was afraid of persecution after Vegas. Oh, bask in that privilege!

Laura Loomer wasn’t out tweeting about how “These Old White Guys were walking aroung being Old White Guys! Just rubbing our noses in it!! What’s this country coming to?”

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gocart mozart  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:39:54pm

Can We Please Stop Talking About ‘Collusion’?
nytimes.com

Mr. Trump and his inner circle have benefited enormously from this coalescing around the word “collusion” — a term with a legalistic feel but with close to “no legal meaning whatsoever” said Renato Mariotti, a former federal prosecutor and now a defense lawyer who has written a dissection of every public statement that a Trump associate has made to congressional investigators. If we care about the law — and about holding public figures accountable for their false denials — the impassioned disavowals of collusion by members of the Trump circle mean nothing. Donald Trump Jr.’s utterances to Congress, for example, were “not denying that he committed a crime,” Mr. Mariotti said. “Whether his denial is broader or more narrow than that depends on what exactly is meant by ‘collude’ in this statement — which we don’t know.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:39:55pm

re: #236 GlutenFreeJesus

But no middle aged white dude was afraid of persecution after Vegas. Oh, bask in that privilege!

No kidding. This sucks. No group should have to go through this. And this is what privilege is. Not even thinking that Uzbek-Americans may be going through this following a terrorist attack. After Elliott Rodger, on the specturm like myself shot those people. I expressed some feelings of sort of guilt of having also been on the spectrum. People were right to tell me not to feel bad because “You’re not like that. Not every Aspie is like that.” Well yeah they’re right but we should extend that same kindness to Muslims after something like this. Frigging Laura Loomer shouldn’t be taking pictures of strangers and posting them on her Twitter claiming that Muslims are “rubbing” in the terrorist attack. The Taliban was terrorizing Shi’a Muslims like a high school classmate of mine when people like Republican and Putin Apologist Dana Rohbarcher were praising them to the Western press.

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freetoken  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:40:08pm

Bernie-Truthers exist because the advances of the 20th century have made life too easy for privileged wanna-be intelligentsia.

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scottslemmons  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:41:01pm

re: #235 Blind Frog Belly White

I am leery of anyone who sees the absence of belief as an essential organizing principle.

There are shit-tons of people who see belief as an essential organizing principle — why shouldn’t people who don’t have a religious belief want to organize together?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:41:27pm

re: #239 electrotek

Yup.

And this in spite of the fact that Uzbeks in America are not even religious for the most part. I think that article mentions an Uzbek that runs a bar out in Brooklyn.

Hell I imagine if most white Americans saw Uzbeks, they wouldn’t know they were Muslims. You know me, I’m of Slovene (Yugoslav origin), Bosnians really don’t look that different from I do. The tragedy of the former Yugoslavia is the groups living there had a lot in common but their religion separated them. Lots of cruelty there.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:42:57pm

In happier news

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:43:04pm

re: #246 freetoken

I’m starting to wonder how much boredom plays into it for both sides of the ‘alts’.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:43:51pm

re: #247 scottslemmons

There are shit-tons of people who see belief as an essential organizing principle — why shouldn’t people who don’t have a religious belief want to organize together?

Because the believer share the belief in common. Absence of belief is the absence of something in common.

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:44:48pm

re: #249 b.d. (bill d.)

Beautiful!

This will be used as a fake pic for a 45 rally in a couple months.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:45:25pm

re: #243 Blind Frog Belly White

Laura Loomer wasn’t out tweeting about how “These Old White Guys were walking aroung being Old White Guys! Just rubbing our noses in it!! What’s this country coming to?”

You know when I saw that photo of Paddock with his eyes closed, he honestly kind of reminded me a little of my Dad. Hell Paddock was close to my Dad’s age too. And I guess that’s the thing isn’t it? White guy does a mass shooting like Paddock does and our media doesn’t critique “white culture.” FNC isn’t having a panel to tell white people they need to stop committing violence. No, we just look for ways to see these guys as outliers in our demographic. The most disturbingly honest thing I saw after Vegas was FNC stumped trying to find ways to hate Paddock. They really would have found it that much easier to hate Paddock if he had looked different than them. That he committed the worst single shooter mass shooting in U.S. history was immaterial.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:45:33pm

re: #250 JordanRules

I’m starting to wonder how much boredom plays into it for both sides of the ‘alts’.

Lots of inputs. Much is just the desperate need to rise above the ordinary without demonstrating a high degree of ability or effort.

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petesh  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:46:00pm

re: #246 freetoken

Bernie-Truthers exist because the advances of the 20th century have made life too easy for privileged wanna-be intelligentsia.

Now don’t bring Jared into this.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:47:22pm

re: #247 scottslemmons

IOW, there’s no reason not to get together, but unlike belief, which usually brings a religion, a holy book, and some form of organization based on the belief and the book, not believing in a god or gods doesn’t provide the same sort of thing.

An atheist can be anywhere on the politlcal spectrum (except perhaps theocrat) and not be inconsistent philosophically because atheism isn’t a philosophy.

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wrenchwench  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:48:01pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb

Who does it serve when Berniacs hate Clintonistas and both sides turn on the field of emerging Dems?

I think it serves freetoken, but I’m trying to figure out how.

re: #246 freetoken

Bernie-Truthers exist because the advances of the 20th century have made life too easy for privileged wanna-be intelligentsia.

/

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:49:44pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

You know when I saw that photo of Paddock with his eyes closed, he honestly kind of reminded me a little of my Dad. Hell Paddock was close to my Dad’s age too. And I guess that’s the thing isn’t it? White guy does a mass shooting like Paddock does and our media doesn’t critique “white culture.” FNC isn’t having a panel to tell white people they need to stop committing violence. No, we just look for ways to see these guys as outliers in our demographic. The most disturbingly honest thing I saw after Vegas was FNC stumped trying to find ways to hate Paddock. They really would have found it that much easier to hate Paddock if he had looked different than them. That he committed the worst single shooter mass shooting in U.S. history was immaterial.

“It’s the Album Oriented Rock, the Wonder Bread, and the girly magazines.”

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:49:56pm

re: #252 JordanRules

Beautiful!

This will be used as a fake pic for a 45 rally in a couple months.

Muslims cheering on 9/11

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:50:24pm

re: #254 Decatur Deb

That makes sense and I’ve surely played in that kiddie pool a bit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:50:40pm

re: #256 Blind Frog Belly White

IOW, there’s no reason not to get together, but unlike belief, which usually brings a religion, a holy book, and some form of organization based on the belief and the book, not believing in a god or gods doesn’t provide the same sort of thing.

An atheist can be anywhere on the politlcal spectrum (except perhaps theocrat) and not be inconsistent philosophically because atheism isn’t a philosophy.

Correct.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:51:21pm

re: #258 Blind Frog Belly White

“It’s the Album Oriented Rock, the Wonder Bread, and the girly magazines.”

I was going to blame cucumber mayo sandwiches and Crocs!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:52:08pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb

Who does it serve when Berniacs hate Clintonistas and both sides turn on the field of emerging Dems?

I understand what you’re saying, but this is where I cut loose and give free rein to these feelings. I’m more circumspect elsewhere.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:52:20pm

re: #252 JordanRules

Beautiful!

This will be used as a fake pic for a 45 rally in a couple months.

Parents and business owners fleeing tomorrow’s antifa riots.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:52:31pm

re: #249 b.d. (bill d.)

In happier news

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Well they’re wearing orange so they’re obviously celebrating Trump. Seriously though that’s so awesome. I hope to attend a WS parade of my own some day. My O’s have only played for three pennants in my lifetime but you know what, hope springs eternal every Spring as you Astros fans found out the best possible way this year.

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Nyet  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:53:03pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

kitteh vs crawdads:

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What a pussy. /

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:53:33pm

I’ve heard several people say something sobering about the DNC thing that has to be mentioned for the sake of honesty: Pres. Obama hated back-slapping politics and politicians; however much we respect him as President, he was the one who failed to refill the DNC coffers as the de facto head of the DNC as President. He just didn’t want to be bothered with it. This has the ring of truth to me. He left the DNC in debt and open to control by HRC and her funders. She was the only one who could save it.

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wrenchwench  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:53:35pm

re: #263 Blind Frog Belly White

I understand what you’re saying, but this is where I cut loose and give free rein to these feelings. I’m more circumspect elsewhere.

Just put your cucumber mayo sandwiches into your Crocs and you’ll be fine.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:56:19pm

re: #262 HappyWarrior

I was going to blame cucumber mayo sandwiches and Crocs!

I was allowing for age. He was a few years younger than me, so….

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wrenchwench  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:56:33pm

I think it’s time for me to go home. I’ll go grab my bag of wrapped half cookies and show myself out.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:56:35pm

re: #268 wrenchwench

Just put your cucumber mayo sandwiches into your Crocs and you’ll be fine.

Eeeewwww…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:57:32pm

re: #267 Barefoot Grin

I’ve heard several people say something sobering about the DNC thing that has to be mentioned for the sake of honesty: Pres. Obama hated back-slapping politics and politicians; however much we respect him as President, he was the one who failed to refill the DNC coffers as the de facto head of the DNC as President. He just didn’t want to be bothered with it. This has the ring of truth to me. He left the DNC in debt and open to control by HRC and her funders. She was the only one who could save it.

Great President, lousy party leader. DWS was an obvious disaster for some time.

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:00:21pm

re: #267 Barefoot Grin

And the eventual coalition between Obama and HRC kinda makes me okay with that. She already had that deep party establishment fundraising history and could leverage it well with no worries about being tainted by it (she already was). He could focus on GOTV, aspirational initiatives and other areas where he seemed to have better leverage.

And Bernie should have become a Dem. Bloopity bloop.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:02:40pm
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freetoken  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:03:56pm

Politics is how a society deals with itself as people look to address issues that go beyond an individual.

As such, politics is about compromise. Life is about compromise, thus politics is about compromise.

Those who deny this - and it doesn’t matter if they are wingnut right politicians ranting about abortion, or the Bernie-Truther/GG coalition - are not really interested about helping as many people they can. They are just out to draw attention to themselves.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:03:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:04:20pm

re: #267 Barefoot Grin

I’ve heard several people say something sobering about the DNC thing that has to be mentioned for the sake of honesty: Pres. Obama hated back-slapping politics and politicians; however much we respect him as President, he was the one who failed to refill the DNC coffers as the de facto head of the DNC as President. He just didn’t want to be bothered with it. This has the ring of truth to me. He left the DNC in debt and open to control by HRC and her funders. She was the only one who could save it.

Yeah I think Obama made a mistake by advocating DWS be chair. And Kaine as much as I like him as a Senator and my former Governor wasn’t that good at it either. Honestly, I appreciate Clinton the more I learn about this. I deeply appreciate that she wanted to get Democrats elected everywhere. She made her own mistakes but she’s definitely a team player in politics in a way Sanders never has been.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:05:37pm

re: #273 JordanRules

And the eventual coalition between Obama and HRC kinda makes me okay with that. She already had that deep party establishment fundraising history and could leverage it well with no worries about being tainted by it (she already was). He could focus on GOTV, aspirational initiatives and other areas where he seemed to have better leverage.

And Bernie should have become a Dem. Bloopity bloop.

As pointed out ot me yesterday even during that brief time that Bernie was a Dem, he had registered to run for re-election as an Indy. I’m really through with him. I don’t believe he’s a Russian asset or anything like that but I believe he’s someone who’s worn out his welcome with me.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:06:29pm

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:06:42pm

Thing though that troubles me most about the Sanders wing is they think someone must be good news if they’re a fan or supporter of Bernies. Take Tulsi Gabbard. She attacked Obama from the right on Syria and is an Islamaphobe but because she backed Bernie, they seriously think she should be considered for VP.

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:08:11pm

re: #279 Stanley Sea

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makeitstop  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:09:00pm

re: #279 Stanley Sea

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:09:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:10:46pm

I’ev said it a lot today and yesterday but I hate how Tom Perez has been wrongfully pigeon holed as a “corporatist.” See, as someone interested in Labor issues and whom wanted to follow his granddad’s footsteps at the DOL, I follow the Department of Labor fairly closely and Perez when he got picked for that job by Obama had a lot of controversy because he was and is staunchly progressive. He was confirmed. We also saw his name as a possibility for AG after Eric Holder stepped down too and he was even on the long list for HRC running mates. In short, Perez is a progressive bonafide. But the Bros hate him with the pasison of a thousand suns.

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:12:52pm

re: #278 HappyWarrior

Yup. I used to see him as an overall force for good. Now, he’s just an annoying grifter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:14:51pm
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fern01  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:17:28pm

re: #267 Barefoot Grin

I’ve heard several people say something sobering about the DNC thing that has to be mentioned for the sake of honesty: Pres. Obama hated back-slapping politics and politicians; however much we respect him as President, he was the one who failed to refill the DNC coffers as the de facto head of the DNC as President. He just didn’t want to be bothered with it. This has the ring of truth to me. He left the DNC in debt and open to control by HRC and her funders. She was the only one who could save it.

Money infiltrates EVERY last thing in the United States - in politics more than anything else. Every member of the house of reps seems to spend all his/her time fundraising & legislating comes a poor second. Senators have to retire if they say what they really believe about this president* because there will be $$$$ fighting them in the primaries. Until this is sorted US politics will never be the leading light of democracy that so many like to claim that it is.

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:18:14pm

re: #279 Stanley Sea

Missed it earlier. Happy, happy born day!!

I hope you have an amazing dinner and enjoy the rest of your trip.

I hear gator foil makes for the best hats.

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b_sharp  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:18:23pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

You know why this blog rules? We can discuss music, sports, politics, & today language.

Ah, but we mostly discuss bullshit & how it is excreted from the mouths of wingnuts.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:19:33pm

re: #285 JordanRules

Yup. I used to see him as an overall force for good. Now, he’s just an annoying grifter.

TBH I was so disappointed with how dismissive he can be.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:20:03pm

re: #289 b_sharp

Ah, but we mostly discuss bullshit & how it is excreted from the mouths of wingnuts.

Haha that too, that too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:21:01pm
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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:21:13pm

re: #287 fern01

I’d like to supersize my upding for this.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:23:54pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s treating you more fairly than you did the Central Park Five. You talk like a guilty man because you are a guilty man who is going to get what he has coming to him, infamy forever and having his name up there with Arnold as the great traitors of our country.

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b_sharp  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:24:03pm

Am I seeing this right? Bernie Sanders may run in 2020?

He’ll be 110 yrs old then.

That’s insane.

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b_sharp  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:25:04pm

re: #293 JordanRules

I’d like to supersize my upding for this.

My mind is in the gutter. That sounds like some serious sexual innuendo.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:26:41pm

Frontline is addressing the Russian DNC hacking. Check your local listings.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:27:17pm

re: #295 b_sharp

Am I seeing this right? Bernie Sanders may run in 2020?

He’ll be 110 yrs old then.

That’s insane.

I think evidence is showing he’s definitely considering it: The town halls, PAC, constant appearances on talk shows. But yeah. Your hyperbole aside, he’d turn 80 in his first term if elected and I don’t exactly trust his judgment to surround himself with a good VP and capable team.

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fern01  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:27:27pm

re: #293 JordanRules

I’d like to supersize my upding for this.

Thank you - I’ve been with the “love of money is the root of all evil” ever since the CEOs of failing car companies flew in on their privately owned planes to ask President Obama to save their industry. I recently saw a clip of Theresa May speaking of the wonder of the “job creators” - and threw up in my coffee. Given the chance by trump she would be Thatcher to his Reagan.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:29:49pm

re: #299 fern01

Thank you - I’ve been with the “love of money is the root of all evil” ever since the CEOs of failing car companies flew in on their privately owned planes to ask President Obama to save their industry. I recently saw a clip of Theresa May speaking of the wonder of the “job creators” - and threw up in my coffee. Given the chance by trump she would be Thatcher to his Reagan.

I’m no communist or even a socialist but I’d like to see someone talk about how labor makes this all possible. It’s one thing to create jobs. It’s another to actually do those jobs.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:29:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:30:39pm

re: #301 Blind Frog Belly White

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Now this is real class warfare.

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:30:44pm

re: #296 b_sharp

Oh tell Pennywise I said hey!

Updings are not just for procreation.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:31:56pm

re: #302 HappyWarrior

Now this is real class warfare.

It’s certainly possible to write a bill that cuts taxes for the not-rich, but somehow, the GOP never manages to do that. I wonder why?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:33:04pm

re: #304 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s certainly possible to write a bill that cuts taxes for the not-rich, but somehow, the GOP never manages to do that. I wonder why?

Yeah you noticed that too huh. I’m actually in my spare time at work as my boss is involved in the local Dems as i am working on ways the Dems can address concerns of small business owners.

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Interesting Times  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:34:49pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

Remember DFAaction pulling “direct aid” from Northam over his sanctuary cities remarks? They’re doubling down:

Per the statement, DFA never endorsed Northam, but provided aid as a part of grassroots activities to engage voters “up and down the ballot.” In its statement, DFA further explained that for the past several weeks there had already been issues concerning the Northam campaign’s treatment of Lieutenant Governor candidate Justin Fairfax. Northam’s recent statement was the last straw. DFA did what Democrats ought to do, stand against political gamesmanship and throwing constituencies under the bus.

So…yeah. What’s this “treatment” of Justin Fairfax they’re referring to? Is Northam seriously stupid enough to think he’ll win a portion of the knuckle-dragger-racist vote? o_O

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:34:50pm
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Mike Lamb  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:35:04pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Add criminal law to the infinite list of shit Trump knows nothing about .

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EPR-radar  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:35:19pm

re: #201 Decatur Deb

It’s Friday. Where are my leaks about indictments?

Wouldn’t it be nice if we get three more indictments on Monday 11/6, this time with absolutely no advance warning.

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majii  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:36:23pm

re: #166 b.d. (bill d.)

“I am curious as to who they think Brazile’s natural audience is for this book?”

I won’t be buying her book because I detest Democrats who sow discord in the party. I don’t care which candidate one supports, but I do care if someone becomes a sh*t-stirrer when one’s candidate is bested by another.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:37:33pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

@thehill
JUST IN: Trump: I’ll be proven innocent if Mueller treats “everything fairly”

For the love of Dog.
There is nothing in that article that DOESN’T make Dotard look like a complete idiot.

Though, it is nice to see him getting off the FOX Noise bandwagon, and giving an interview to an reputable unbiased organization like SincLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Damn, I couldn’t make myself finish typing that

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:38:27pm

re: #310 majii

“I am curious as to who they think Brazile’s natural audience is for this book?”

I won’t be buying her book because I detest Democrats who sow discord in the party. I don’t care which candidate one supports, but I do care if someone becomes a sh*t-stirrer when one’s candidate is bested by another.

Less than a week before a crucial election….

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:38:35pm

I think Vann is an amazing writer and he usually saves most of his stuff for his long form pieces in The Atlantic but he got set off and put a nice thread together.

My mind jumped to our illustrious prison industrial complex after going over this. It’s one of the reasons why I’m sure I consider us farther along on the road to fascism than many.

He gets some great commenters like TNC used to at his blog too.

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fern01  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:38:45pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

I’m no communist or even a socialist but I’d like to see someone talk about how labor makes this all possible. It’s one thing to create jobs. It’s another to actually do those jobs.

There is a massive difference between socialism and communism (as we have seen it in operation). I believe in looking after people (after they are born), having safety nets, affordable health care, a place to live and a living wage. I think the unemployed should be supported by government, not having to depend on charity for their next meal. If this is socialism, I am a socialist.

As far as creating jobs, at the current point in time, most of those job creators are inventing ways to produce more with fewer and fewer people. This is not job creation - this is profit making. When I studied economics at university, companies consisted of capital, labor and property. Now someone else owns the property, CEOs & board members get most of the capital and the labor part is considered a necessary evil - or reduced to the level where those employed have no chance of doing the job they are expected to do.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:39:19pm

re: #306 Interesting Times

Remember DFAaction pulling “direct aid” from Northam over his sanctuary cities remarks? They’re doubling down:

So…yeah. What’s this “treatment” of Justin Fairfax they’re referring to? Is Northam seriously stupid enough to think he’ll win a portion of the knuckle-dragger-racist vote? o_O

I honestly haven’t heard about this.

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William Lewis  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:40:09pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

I’m no communist or even a socialist but I’d like to see someone talk about how labor makes this all possible. It’s one thing to create jobs. It’s another to actually do those jobs.

The Labor Theory of Value does this though we dare not even whisper it since it is associated with Marx & his analysis of Capital. The irony of course is that he was building on the ideas of Adam Smith and David Ricardo. Only with labor, in a social context, can value be created. It can then be traded for many things and that’s where the confusion comes from but it’s creation is simple: “the economic value of a good or service is determined by the total amount of socially necessary labor required to produce it, rather than by the use or pleasure its owner gets from it.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:40:38pm

re: #314 fern01

There is a massive difference between socialism and communism (as we have seen it in operation). I believe in looking after people (after they are born), having safety nets, affordable health care, a place to live and a living wage. I think the unemployed should be supported by government, not having to depend on charity for their next meal. If this is socialism, I am a socialist.

As far as creating jobs, at the current point in time, most of those job creators are inventing ways to produce more with fewer and fewer people. This is not job creation - this is profit making. When I studied economics at university, companies consisted of capital, labor and property. Now someone else owns the property, CEOs & board members get most of the capital and the labor part is considered a necessary evil - or reduced to the level where those employed have no chance of doing the job they are expected to do.

I don’t like to define myself ss either a socialist or a capitalist for my own reasons because I think labels are unhelpful in economics. Most want some form of free enterprise and some forms of socialism. The hard right and hard left present it as you have to be one or the other.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:41:05pm

re: #316 William Lewis

The Labor Theory of Value does this though we dare not even whisper it since it is associated with Marx & his analysis of Capital. The irony of course is that he was building on the ideas of Adam Smith and David Ricardo. Only with labor, in a social context, can value be created. It can then be traded for many things and that’s where the confusion comes from but it’s creation is simple: “the economic value of a good or service is determined by the total amount of socially necessary labor required to produce it, rather than by the use or pleasure its owner gets from it.”

There’s a great quote by Lincoln I saw about labor being superior to capital.

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:41:52pm

re: #306 Interesting Times

Remember DFAaction pulling “direct aid” from Northam over his sanctuary cities remarks? They’re doubling down:

So…yeah. What’s this “treatment” of Justin Fairfax they’re referring to? Is Northam seriously stupid enough to think he’ll win a portion of the knuckle-dragger-racist vote? o_O

And so, are they going to endorse Gillespie? What the fuck is their endgame?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:45:06pm

re: #319 BeachDem

And so, are they going to endorse Gillespie? What the fuck is their endgame?

I haven’t a clue honestly. I’m going out to campaign tomorrow morning though. I mean I’m frustrated at how Northam handled the S-Cities question too but at the same time, we have to defeat Gillespie-Vogel-Adams. You guys may not know Adams by name but he’s actually the Hobby Lobby attorney. He really has some nerve whining about how AG Herring has “politicized” the office after Cuccinnelli used the AG’s office to harass climate change believers in academia.

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EPR-radar  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:45:21pm

re: #318 HappyWarrior

There’s a great quote by Lincoln I saw about labor being superior to capital.

“Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. — A Lincoln”

Yes, the first and greatest GOP president would be banished as a communist from today’s GOP.

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fern01  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:45:30pm

re: #317 HappyWarrior

I don’t like to define myself ss either a socialist or a capitalist for my own reasons because I think labels are unhelpful in economics. Most want some form of free enterprise and some forms of socialism. The hard right and hard left present it as you have to be one or the other.

I agree with your thoughts here & as above, state what I believe/think - but many on the hard right would tag me socialist for those beliefs. I have never had a clear idea of what the hard left believe (Bernie’s campaign made no sense to me whatsoever) so no idea if I fit anywhere near their ideas or not.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:46:01pm

re: #319 BeachDem

And so, are they going to endorse Gillespie? What the fuck is their endgame?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:46:36pm

re: #321 EPR-radar

“Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. — A Lincoln”

Yes, the first and greatest GOP president would be banished as a communist from today’s GOP.

Their party really has been downhill ever since he died. I mean TR was good as was Ike but holy shit, when your first president in your party is by far your greatest, that’s not good.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:47:15pm

re: #323 Blind Frog Belly White

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Fortunately I don’t think DFA has a lot of pull here. And I’m not as worried about the Brazille stuff as some since Sanders was never that popular here.

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TedStriker  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:47:24pm

re: #319 BeachDem

And so, are they going to endorse Gillespie? What the fuck is their endgame?

The election’s what, less than a week away? I’m smelling some possible ratfucking going on, a November Surprise that Northam has little to no time to counter.

Sure feels familiar…

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:48:16pm

re: #299 fern01

Thank you - I’ve been with the “love of money is the root of all evil” ever since the CEOs of failing car companies flew in on their privately owned planes to ask President Obama to save their industry. I recently saw a clip of Theresa May speaking of the wonder of the “job creators” - and threw up in my coffee. Given the chance by trump she would be Thatcher to his Reagan.

As much as I disliked both Reagan and Thatcher, Trump is no Reagan and May is no Thatcher. Not on R/T’s worst days or T/M’s best.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:48:24pm

re: #322 fern01

I agree with your thoughts here & as above, state what I believe/think - but many on the hard right would tag me socialist for those beliefs. I have never had a clear idea of what the hard left believe (Bernie’s campaign made no sense to me whatsoever) so no idea if I fit anywhere near their ideas or not.

I think you and I would find ourselves in agreement with them on most ideas but where we differ is that we realize we can’t get universal overnight. Sharp was talking about it yesterday but the road to Universal Health Care in his Canada was and still is a difficult road.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:48:42pm

re: #326 TedStriker

The election’s what, less than a week away? I’m smelling some possible ratfucking going on, a November Surprise that Northam has little to no time to counter.

Sure feels familiar…

Tuesday. The election’s on Tuesday.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:49:45pm
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fern01  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:50:28pm

Watching Chris Hayes - trump’s people too busy with tax reform to comment on the US Scientist’s report on Climate Change.

Not much multi tasking with this lot - he’ll probably discuss the benefits of reducing taxes throughout his Asia tour.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:51:06pm

What I wish Northam would have said would be this, “Ed needs to listen to the police chiefs of larger cities who contend that sanitcuary cities foster better relationships between immigrant communities and law enforcement and reduce crime. ” This still is a fairly conservative state though unfortunately. Remember, Cuccinnelli still did nearly win here a couple years ago. We’re becoming almost light blue but we still have Republicans controlling the state legislature.

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Interesting Times  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:51:20pm

re: #319 BeachDem

And so, are they going to endorse Gillespie? What the fuck is their endgame?

Here’s the tweet from where I got the article - the ratio is…about what you’d expect:

If you look at the rest of their feed, they claim to be helping all the other VA Dems (e.g. Justin Fairfax) but still…to basically sacrifice the top prize?

Nonetheless, I hate the way the Northam campaign seems to have lost sight of this crucial fact:

In other words, DFA’s action was pants-on-head stupid, but Northam should have realized how dangerous it would be for him to say anything that could potentially alienate POCs. The way he wins is through increasing their turnout, not pandering to white fragility.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:51:38pm

re: #322 fern01

I agree with your thoughts here & as above, state what I believe/think - but many on the hard right would tag me socialist for those beliefs. I have never had a clear idea of what the hard left believe (Bernie’s campaign made no sense to me whatsoever) so no idea if I fit anywhere near their ideas or not.

I’ve been saying for a while that there are several things that we need to do.

First, we need to redefine the work week, like we did 80 years ago. The work week needs to have fewer hours, because we have more workers than work, at 40 hrs/week.

Second, we need to reduce the fixed cost of employment, because the threshold for hiring people is too high, and because health insurance tied to employment ties people to jobs. Single payer healthcare would do that nicely.

Third, we need to tax the holy fuck out of wealth accumulation.

Fourth, we need to remember that DEMAND is what creates jobs. Not ‘investment’. Demand.

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fern01  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:51:39pm

re: #326 TedStriker

The election’s what, less than a week away? I’m smelling some possible ratfucking going on, a November Surprise that Northam has little to no time to counter.

Sure feels familiar…

Read somewhere that Gillespie was up in the latest polls (sorry no link, can’t remember where I saw it)

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fern01  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:53:08pm

re: #327 MsJ

As much as I disliked both Reagan and Thatcher, Trump is no Reagan and May is no Thatcher. Not on R/T’s worst days or T/M’s best.

No argument with me - just my thoughts on how May is thinking. Only leader in Europe that has made positive moves towards trump.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:53:37pm

re: #334 Blind Frog Belly White

Tax cuts create jobs.
//

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:53:42pm

re: #333 Interesting Times

Here’s the tweet from where I got the article - the ratio is…about what you’d expect:

[Embedded content]

In other words, DFA’s action was pants-on-head stupid, but Northam should have realized how dangerous it would be for him to say anything that could potentially alienate POCs. The way he wins is through increasing their turnout, not pandering to white fragility.

Indeed if Ralph wins, it will be because he got our diverse areas out to vote for him not by pandering to fragility as you say. The big reason why I preferred Perriello this spring over Ralph is because I think Tom got that more. Ralph’s a decent guy, a good public servant but I really think Tom was the better choice because he understood where our state’s going. That said, we are where we are.

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TedStriker  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:53:48pm

re: #335 fern01

Read somewhere that Gillespie was up in the latest polls (sorry no link, can’t remember where I saw it)

RCP has Northam still up 2.8% over the period 10/12 to today in their average.

realclearpolitics.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:54:20pm

re: #335 fern01

Read somewhere that Gillespie was up in the latest polls (sorry no link, can’t remember where I saw it)

Yeah. It’s tight. Part of why I decided to go out tomorrow. We’re used to extremely close races here. I’m going to be up late on Tuesday I reckon.

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Weaselone  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:56:13pm

re: #306 Interesting Times

Remember DFAaction pulling “direct aid” from Northam over his sanctuary cities remarks? They’re doubling down:

So…yeah. What’s this “treatment” of Justin Fairfax they’re referring to? Is Northam seriously stupid enough to think he’ll win a portion of the knuckle-dragger-racist vote? o_O

I’m not exactly fond of some aspects of Northam’s strategy, but I think DFAaction is ultimately undermining their own objectives with their handling of this. A significant fraction of the people who end up not voting for Northam are going to end up not voting at all which will impact all the races statewide. They knock Northam down 3%, that’s going to knock all the other statewide races and local races down 1-3%. depending how many people just decide to sit home. That means that a lot of DFAaction’s get out the vote efforts are just going to go into overcoming the hole that was dug here and that’s a great disservices to Fairfax and all the great candidates in down ballot races. Even if Northam pulls this out, there are going to probably be a few Democratic candidates who ultimately lose by a couple percentage point and you’ll have to wonder whether if no for this they win those close races. Worst case scenario is Gellespie win’s and all the voter registration efforts done are for naught as they are more than overcome by gerrymandering and vote suppression efforts.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:56:19pm

re: #339 TedStriker

RCP has Northam still up 2.8% over the period 10/12 to today in their average.

realclearpolitics.com

Rasmussen being a tie is good. What does concern me and this is why Gillespie is a snake is that Gillespie has the Republican base starting to solidify behind him in a way they weren’t earlier in the year. But by pandering to their racism, he’s gotten them to trust him in a way they hadn’t before. That may be why while we thought Northam would win big earlier in the year was a false hope because there was no way that they would stay home and let a Democrat take the office. I think Northam wins in a typically close Virginia race.

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Interesting Times  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:56:28pm

re: #335 fern01

Read somewhere that Gillespie was up in the latest polls (sorry no link, can’t remember where I saw it)

Check out Ariel Edwards-Levy’s feed for the latest polling goodness:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:57:30pm

re: #343 Interesting Times

Check out Ariel Edwards-Levy’s feed for the latest polling goodness:

[Embedded content]

My hope is that’s the electorate responding to Gillespie’s disgusting campaign.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:57:42pm

re: #337 Ace Rothstein

Tax cuts create jobs.
//

I was discussing that with Mrs. FBW last night. Well, ranting, really.

I said, Trump is talking like he is getting his $5.5 Trillion tax cut - you know, the one that gives everthing to everyone? - which might just increase economic activity by enough to make up the $1.5 Trillion the actual bill will cost. But it wouldn’t cover the $5.5 Trillion, and the $1.5 Trillion cut won’t increase activity enough to cover itself, because it mostly goes to people who already have plenty of money and will just throw the new money on the pile.

I said, “You know who would spend the money? Poor people!”

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:58:05pm

re: #339 TedStriker

RCP has Northam still up 2.8% over the period 10/12 to today in their average.

realclearpolitics.com

Races tighten towards the close and we all saw how much the Comey tape moved opinion in the final days of the 2016 election. Northam and DFA are both to blame for this shit show.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:58:06pm

re: #339 TedStriker

Obviously I want Northam to win, but also I want to see Trump’s tweets after the kiss of death keeps batting 1.000.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:00:47pm

I’ll level with y’all. I knew what MS-13 when Ed Gillespie was being a good foot soldier for GWB. I have never felt scared or intimated by El Salvadorians at all. In fact, my SiL’s older sister is married to an El Salvadorian guy who is one of the greatest guys I know. He treats my niece like she’s his blood relative. Family really matters to Hispanics. But anyhow, I digress, the point is Virginia isn’t the crime soaked hell hole that Trump and Gillespie have been making it to be. Does something need to be done about gangs like MS-13? Sure. But we also need to do something about one of our state’s most beautiful towns, Charlottesville becoming the meeting point for a bunch of Nazi fucks who run over people they don’t like with cars.

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William Lewis  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:01:24pm

re: #322 fern01

I agree with your thoughts here & as above, state what I believe/think - but many on the hard right would tag me socialist for those beliefs. I have never had a clear idea of what the hard left believe (Bernie’s campaign made no sense to me whatsoever) so no idea if I fit anywhere near their ideas or not.

Bernie, for all his vaunted socialism, really isn’t. He would be to the right of most European social democrats and I have serious problems with what I consider to be his racism. He’s the political equivalent of Chomsky - an annoying old ass who’s small bit of real accomplishment was decades ago and he’s been coasting on reputation ever since.

The next problem is which < airquotes > hard left? < /airquotes > Every little group has a different spin on the ideology that can seem insignificant to an outsider but has caused murders between real world groups. They can range from Maoist groups running into the mountains to force the peasants to support their liberation (cough, cough) to more democratic groups like the American DSA that tries to work with the established Democratic party to make serious social welfare reform since American voters are terrified of the socialist label (which would have killed Bernie since that’s all the GOFascists would have had to do is scream socialist and Trump would have had twice the vote total as he did get. )

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:02:37pm

I guess NASA gave the Astros victory parade a fly-by
Very fitting

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:02:46pm

re: #347 Ace Rothstein

Obviously I want Northam to win, but also I want to see Trump’s tweets after the kiss of death keeps batting 1.000.

Whatever happens, it guarantees that Corey Stewart runs against Kaine next year. If Gillespie loses, it’s “proof” Corey was right about the GOP establishment and they’re weak. If he wins, it’s riding in on a “GOP renaissance” in Virginia. Now I think Kaine can beat Stewart but I also greatly underestimated Gillespie when he ran against Mark Warner three years ago. He’s a sleazy son of a bitch but as someone who has been a foot soldier in party politics, he knows how to compete.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:03:43pm

re: #346 goddamnedfrank

Races tighten towards the close and we all saw how much the Comey tape moved opinion in the final days of the 2016 election. Northam and DFA are both to blame for this shit show.

He really did screw it up. I like Ralph a lot but he fucked up there. He played right into Gillespie’s stupid game.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:06:29pm

Y’all remember Trump holding up the postcard-like tax return forms yesterday? Less than 24 hours later, Brady says “Nah, they ain’t gonna be like that.”
usnews.com

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:10:15pm

re: #333 Interesting Times

Here’s the tweet from where I got the article - the ratio is…about what you’d expect:

[Embedded content]

In other words, DFA’s action was pants-on-head stupid, but Northam should have realized how dangerous it would be for him to say anything that could potentially alienate POCs. The way he wins is through increasing their turnout, not pandering to white fragility.

Thanks for the detail. All I can think of is:

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:14:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:14:37pm

This thankful isn’t the state of George Allen anymore and it sure as hell isn’t the state of Harry Byrd anymore. But we have a long way to go still. NoVa like so many population centers in this country saves us from going the way of the hard right.

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retired cynic  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:15:16pm

re: #345 Blind Frog Belly White

I was discussing that with Mrs. FBW last night. Well, ranting, really.

I said, Trump is talking like he is getting his $5.5 Trillion tax cut - you know, the one that gives everthing to everyone? - which might just increase economic activity by enough to make up the $1.5 Trillion the actual bill will cost. But it wouldn’t cover the $5.5 Trillion, and the $1.5 Trillion cut won’t increase activity enough to cover itself, because it mostly goes to people who already have plenty of money and will just throw the new money on the pile.

I said, “You know who would spend the money? Poor people!”

I had thought that the Repubs could not use Reconciliation unless it was revenue-neutral. This sure doesn’t sound like it!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:17:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:18:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:19:30pm
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EPR-radar  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:20:16pm

re: #358 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m just waiting for the news to come out that some of these multiple passports for Trump Crime Organization crooks are in false names.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:21:04pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:22:39pm
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Interesting Times  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:23:02pm

re: #354 BeachDem

Thanks for the detail. All I can think of is:

[Embedded content]

Embedded Image

It’s as if the Democratic Party establishment has no clue whatsoever on who or what their base is (while the GOP knows theirs all too well). It seems to me that the Dems are constantly torn between:

- POCs and other historically marginalized minority groups
- the infamous and elusive WWC
- “moderate” GOPers and right-leaning independents
- their biggest donors

I wish they could get it through their heads that, thanks to rightwing cult media, the 3rd group is lost forever, and any attempt to pander to them will alienate almost everyone else. The first group is by far the most loyal, and *some* of the second group (the ones who haven’t gone full-white-supremacist) could possibly be won over by a clear and forceful messaging campaign that essentially says, “Look you morons, policies that benefit POCs help you too!”

As for the donor group…mixed bag. They have to thread the needle between their interests and potentially alienating the “little guy.” Then again, some billionaires support progressive economics as well…

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EPR-radar  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:23:12pm

re: #357 retired cynic

I had thought that the Repubs could not use Reconciliation unless it was revenue-neutral. This sure doesn’t sound like it!

I have always assumed that the Republicans would use dynamic scoring unicorn farts to make their tax cuts supposedly revenue neutral.

The day will surely come soon when an official GOP budget document baselines that enacting the latest round of GOP tax cuts for the rich will cause every pig in the nation to start shitting $100 bills.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:23:33pm

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I just saw the ad. I’m okay with it and here’s why. Gillespie has aligned himself with Trump who has made these nightmares very real. Gillespie has channeled Atwater with his ads. Gillespie can go to hell and he can go back to New Jersey (sorry Lawhawk and other people from Jersey) after this other failed attempt to buy a seat so he can dispense favors to is rich GOP buddies Asshole loves to talk about how he’s proud of his Irish immigrant father. Well Ed, I’m sure your father would be disgusted to see what you do to other children of immigrants in your search for power..

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:25:25pm

When there’s stories about racial minority children being bullied being told “Hey you have to leave this country now.” When a sick Hispanic girl is detained by ICE. Yeah, I ain’t bothered by some ad. Besides I thought conservatives hated political correctness and santizing things. Oh, that’s right, they don’t like that when it gets thrown back in their ugly right wing faces.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:27:28pm

re: #364 Interesting Times

It’s as if the Democratic Party establishment has no clue whatsoever on who or what their base is (while the GOP knows theirs all too well). It seems to me that the Dems are constantly torn between:

- POCs and other historically marginalized minority groups
- the infamous and elusive WWC
- “moderate” GOPers and right-leaning independents
- their biggest donors

I wish they could get it through their heads that, thanks to rightwing cult media, the 3rd group is lost forever, and any attempt to pander to them will alienate almost everyone else. The first group is by far the most loyal, and *some* of the second group (the ones who haven’t gone full-white-supremacist) could possibly be won over by a clear and forceful messaging campaign that essentially says, “Look you morons, policies that benefit POCs help you too!”

As for the donor group…mixed bag. They have to thread the needle between their interests and potentially alienating the “little guy.” Then again, some billionaires support progressive economics as well…

What frustrates me is we don’t appreciate how loyal Group A is. They stayed with the party when much of the country was buying Nixon and Reagan’s bullshit but not PoC. They saw through that and they were right.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:30:58pm

Honestly after Gillespie’s people channeld H.W Bush and the Willie Horton ad, they deserved that ad to be thrown back at them. In fact, I wish Dukakis’s team in 1988 had fought back with the same fervor. We’re always saying Democrats need to stand for something. Well we did with that ad. We stand with people who want to live the American Dream without fear of some opportunist asshole like Gillespie or Trump deporting them to appease a racist base.

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TedStriker  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:42:01pm

re: #346 goddamnedfrank

Races tighten towards the close and we all saw how much the Comey tape moved opinion in the final days of the 2016 election. Northam and DFA are both to blame for this shit show.

re: #352 HappyWarrior

He really did screw it up. I like Ralph a lot but he fucked up there. He played right into Gillespie’s stupid game.

The thing that keeps me in fits with the Democratic Party these days is that with Lord Dampnut fucking the country and the world up right now, we have to have a united front to oppose him and his policies (as they were) and to keep up the pressure; aside from Mueller’s non-partisan investigation homing in on Trump, that’s not really happening like it should, especially not from the media. From the perpetual Hillary hate that’s really unfounded in reality, even from those in her own party, and all of the other shit, like Berniacs still raging, the recent Northam complications, or any one of a number of problems nationwide, it really is a fucking circular firing squad; it seems that some putative Dems/”liberals”/”progressives” would rather lose and stay in the current political wilderness, just so they can fucking bitch incessantly and play at being the “resistance”.

I think that most people that give a shit about this country like we do still don’t understand, even after the clusterfuck of the past year: the GOP have to be lucky *just enough* to get what they want, but the Democrats basically have to be lucky every time, just to keep things from getting even worse.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:46:33pm

re: #370 TedStriker

The thing that keeps me in fits with the Democratic Party these days is that with Lord Dampnut fucking the country and the world up right now, we have to have a united front to oppose him and his policies (as they were) and to keep up the pressure; aside from Mueller’s non-partisan investigation homing in on Trump, that’s not really happening like it should, especially not from the media. From the perpetual Hillary hate that’s really unfounded in reality, even from those in her own party, and all of the other shit, like Berniacs still raging, the recent Northam complications, or any one of a number of problems nationwide, it really is a fucking circular firing squad; it seems that some putative Dems/”liberals”/”progressives” would rather lose and stay in the current political wilderness, just so they can fucking bitch incessantly and play at being the “resistance”.

I think that most people that give a shit about this country like we do still don’t understand, even after the clusterfuck of the past year: the GOP have to be lucky *just enough* to get what they want, but the Democrats basically have to be lucky every time, just to keep things from getting even worse.

It is so frustrating. As I said earlier, I’ve read about children who get bullied because they look different and this is why the Bros piss me off, and they want us to appease their purity over a man who isn’t even in our party? Pardon my language here but fuck that shit.

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John Hughes  Nov 4, 2017 • 4:19:36am

re: #15 FormerDirtDart

Meanwhile, in Saint Martin the French prime minister, accompanied by the minister of education will be visiting to see the reopening of all the schools after Hurricane Irma.


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