And Now, a Glorious Tiny Desk Concert by Mexican Singer-Songwriter Natalia Lafourcade

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Oct. 27, 2017 | Felix Contreras — Natalia Lafourcade is a successful singer-songwriter whose voice and music live on the edge of pop, but maintain a distinct independence.

A few years ago, while Lafourcade was traveling Brazil, she felt a great nostalgia for her native Mexico and its folk music. When she finally returned home, she immediately called some friends for the kind of party that is ubiquitous in Latin America: lots of social drinking, lots of food and lots of guitars and singing. Classic folk songs were on the playlist and a good time was had by all.

Someone recorded the informal jam session and Lafourcade’s management team heard the tapes. “This is your next record!” they told her.

That record, Musas: Un Homenaje al Folclore Latinoamericano en Manos de los Macorinos, Vol. 1, was a commercial and critical hit, and received a Latin Grammy nomination for Album of the Year. It only made sense for Lafourcade to bring her Musas tour to the Tiny Desk. The performances are an ode to a magical time in Mexican popular music, one that is revived with every note this singer and her band perform.

One important historical note: The two older gentlemen on the video are Juan Carlos Allende and Miguel Peña, two revered musicians who played with the iconic ranchera singer Chavela Vargas.

Set List

“Soledad y el Mar”
“Mi Tierra Veracruzana”
“Tú Sí Sabes Quererme”

MUSICIANS

Natalia Lafourcade (vocals), Ernesto Anaya (traditional Mexican guitar), Uriel Herrera (drums), Jorge Molina (double bass), Juan Carlos Allende [Los Macorinos] (acoustic guitar), Bernardo Ruiz (electric guitar)

CREDITS

Producers:Felix Contreras, Bronson Arcuri; Creative Director: Bob Boilen; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Videographers: Bronson Arcuri, Morgan Noelle Smith, Tsering Bista, Maia Stern; Production Assistant: Jenna Li; Photo: Liam James Doyle/NPR

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362 comments

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makeitstop  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:35:24pm

I sure do wish I could sort out what Carter Page is up to. Dude just keeps blabbing. Why do I get the feeling that this is some kind of setup?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:36:42pm

re: #1 makeitstop

I sure do wish I could sort out what Carter Page is up to. Dude just keeps blabbing. Why do I get the feeling that this is some kind of setup?

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I don’t know either. This all seems so strange.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:39:27pm

re: #1 makeitstop

I sure do wish I could sort out what Carter Page is up to. Dude just keeps blabbing. Why do I get the feeling that this is some kind of setup?

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He knows that he and all of his pals are going to be pardoned by President Tangsnorter!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:41:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:41:43pm

re: #3 Joe Bacon 🌹

He knows that he and all of his pals are going to be pardoned by President Tangsnorter!

I’m afraid that may be right.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:45:55pm

Natasha Bretrand is completely hot.

Not sorry.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:45:56pm

I hardly know a lick of Spanish but I love this music.

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makeitstop  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:47:19pm

re: #3 Joe Bacon 🌹

He knows that he and all of his pals are going to be pardoned by President Tangsnorter!

As someone said this afternoon, I wouldn’t put any faith in the promise of a pardon from Trump.

I’ll admit I don’t get it. The guy won’t shut up and shows up anywhere there’s a camera to keep talking. No one reins him in, and he’s revealing parts of his testimony on every channel. Is he trying to flood the zone with talk about meeting Russians to soften the public on hearing about Trump campaign contact with Russians?

And meanwhile, the media is treating him like the wacky neighbor. The newest member of this season’s cast.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:49:46pm

*thud*

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:50:33pm

re: #8 makeitstop

And meanwhile, the media is treating him like the wacky neighbor. The newest member of this season’s cast.

Maybe the next time he testified he can slide through the door…

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makeitstop  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:53:02pm

Whoa if true.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:53:25pm
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EPR-radar  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:54:27pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

“The air is too clean” is the modern GOP version of “Trees cause pollution”.

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makeitstop  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:56:13pm

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:57:01pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

*thud*

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What in the name of fuck.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:57:06pm

re: #1 makeitstop

I sure do wish I could sort out what Carter Page is up to. Dude just keeps blabbing. Why do I get the feeling that this is some kind of setup?

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*Deputy Prime Minister for Industry and Energy. Hmmmm.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:57:14pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:57:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:57:38pm

re: #17 Dave In Austin

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Ha, he’d never be able to follow that.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:59:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:01:57pm

But hey the two parties are the same. Except one would never say something like “The air’s too clean.” Seriously, are these guys trying to be comic book villains?

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EPR-radar  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:02:06pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

This makes sense coming from the Environmental Pillaging Agency.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:02:55pm

re: #22 EPR-radar

This makes sense coming from the Environmental Pillaging Agency.

The only thing that shocked me was that it was not Pruitt saying it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:03:27pm
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EPR-radar  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:05:26pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

But hey the two parties are the same. Except one would never say something like “The air’s too clean.” Seriously, are these guys trying to be comic book villains?

Pruitt doesn’t get nearly the level of hostile press coverage he deserves. He runs around with his own Praetorian Guard as a security detail and fills the agency with stooge after stooge for gross polluters. He wants to turn the EPA into the agency for rolling coal.

He should definitely be confined to a smoggy room just long enough to give him a painful case of emphysema that will take decades to kill him.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:06:41pm

re: #25 EPR-radar

Pruitt doesn’t get nearly the level of hostile press coverage he deserves. He runs around with his own Praetorian Guard as a security detail and fills the agency with stooge after stooge for gross polluters. He wants to turn the EPA into the agency for rolling coal.

He should definitely be confined to a smoggy room just long enough to give him a painful case of emphysema that will take decades to kill him.

Indeed. He’s awful.

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EPR-radar  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:07:02pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

The only thing that shocked me was that it was not Pruitt saying it.

Pruitt will soon enough. That’s the point of stacking the EPA advisory boards with corporate shills. This will give him ‘support’ when he starts in on modest proposals like clear cutting every redwood in CA, or strip mining the grand canyon.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:09:17pm

re: #27 EPR-radar

Pruitt will soon enough. That’s the point of stacking the EPA advisory boards with corporate shills. This will give him ‘support’ when he starts in on modest proposals like clear cutting every redwood in CA, or strip mining the grand canyon.

I swear outside of Mattis and maybe the VA head, there’s really not anything I can find decent about this administration.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:12:52pm

EPA = Effectively Polluting America

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:14:01pm

Government says it’s perfectly OK to ship 300,000 Central Americans and Haitians back home.

washingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:14:45pm

re: #30 wheat-dogg

Government says it’s perfectly OK to ship 300,000 Central Americans and Haitians back home.

washingtonpost.com

SEe what I said downstairs. That’s why I feel the Latino Victory Fund ad against Gillespie is perfectly legit.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:15:58pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

SEe what I said downstairs. That’s why I feel the Latino Victory Fund ad against Gillespie is perfectly legit.

Translated, it means, it’s OK to ship 300,000 potential Democrats home.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:18:22pm

re: #32 wheat-dogg

Translated, it means, it’s OK to ship 300,000 potential Democrats home.

Yep. Coulter will love it of course. Anyhow WaPo says a lot of the Haitians may go to Quebec to avoid deportation. I can’t say I blame them.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:20:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:22:26pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

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I said it last night but while I didn’t see Warren as presidential timber, I did like her and I still to a degree do but she really alienated a lot of people yesterday including in her own state that voted for Clinton over Sanders. I understand politicians want to get the people who were excited by Sanders on board in 2020, I’m for that but I’m not for lying and pushing conspiracy crap that simply isn’t true and that’s what happened.

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Sea Mexican!  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:25:58pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It surprises me not in the least. The current PR administration is turning to be a chip off the old block, at least regarding corruption. Competence has been diluted.

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Sea Mexican!  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:27:07pm

Gorgeous music by Natalia Lafourcade. It’s been a long time since I heard her songs.

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:31:06pm

re: #35 HappyWarrior

I said it last night but while I didn’t see Warren as presidential timber, I did like her and I still to a degree do but she really alienated a lot of people yesterday including in her own state that voted for Clinton over Sanders. I understand politicians want to get the people who were excited by Sanders on board in 2020, I’m for that but I’m not for lying and pushing conspiracy crap that simply isn’t true and that’s what happened.

Any Democrat who thinks this needs to check out the pitiful track record of Sandbagger candidates over the last two years, their terrible fundraising when not supported by the (Establishment!) Democratic Party, and the poor level of Democratic support by Sandbaggers in November 2016 (barely 2 in 3). Warren really is starting to look like a (useful) idiot savant rather than a good Senator, let alone a candidate for national office.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:34:31pm

re: #38 Brian J.

When it comes to the Sandbaggers, we in Los Angeles saw how they turned the majority of our School Board from an anti-charter to pro-charter majority.

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:36:42pm

re: #39 Joe Bacon 🌹

When it comes to the Sandbaggers, we in Los Angeles saw how they turned the majority of our School Board from an anti-charter to pro-charter majority.

That was amazing. I’ve never seen an endorsement take a candidate from a 14% lead to a 14% loss before. Bernie’s special alright.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:36:59pm

re: #39 Joe Bacon 🌹

When it comes to the Sandbaggers, we in Los Angeles saw how they turned the majority of our School Board from an anti-charter to pro-charter majority.

Jesus really? Anyhow, as a person who had an IEP in school, I felt sometimes left out of Sanders’ education message. Yes, I think college should be affordable for all too but I also want to make our colleges more accessible to begin with and help those with disabilities. Lower tuition wasn’t going to help PoC who get denied by admissions offices who are predisposed against those with ethnic names.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:37:39pm

Any other Lizards enjoy playing Cards Against Humanity?

I have a Barack Obama and Bernie Sanders card in my hand right now.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:38:55pm

As a Perriello supporter in Virginia’s primary for governor, I was really worried when Bernie endorsed Tom. Tom quite honestly is my favorite Virginia Dem. I campaigned my ass off for him and the reason why I really like him is he understands history, our state’s place in history good and bad, and that he’s a genuinely compassionate and empathetic guy. I don’t always agree with him see his past record on guns but he’s someone who makes me proud to be in the business of helping people out.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:39:15pm

re: #37 Sea Mexican!

Gorgeous music by Natalia Lafourcade. It’s been a long time since I heard her songs.

She really is good. A ray of light amongst the darkness.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:39:44pm

re: #42 Eclectic Cyborg

Any other Lizards enjoy playing Cards Against Humanity?

I have a Barack Obama and Bernie Sanders card in my hand right now.

Oh yeah definitely. What’s the prompt?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:42:15pm

re: #38 Brian J.

Any Democrat who thinks this needs to check out the pitiful track record of Sandbagger candidates over the last two years, their terrible fundraising when not supported by the (Establishment!) Democratic Party, and the poor level of Democratic support by Sandbaggers in November 2016 (barely 2 in 3). Warren really is starting to look like a (useful) idiot savant rather than a good Senator, let alone a candidate for national office.

I actually saw a little of that first hand. I certainly don’t blame Sanders for why Perriello lost the nomination for governor here but I don’t believe he was helpful to the campaign at all. And he’s really infuriated me by refusing to support Northam. As soon as Tom lost the primary, he gave a strong endorsement of Northam and has been spending his days helping men and women running for delegate in this state. They’re not all going to win unfortunately but he has their back in a good way. I really hope he considers another run at office in this state.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:44:01pm

It would stupid, insane, and unprecedented for Cheeto to pardon the Russiagate suspects. So, yeah, I agree that he might actually do it. The DNC could run a spot next year saying “Pardon us, but we need a new Congress.” There could be variants for every race.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:45:32pm

re: #47 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

It would stupid, insane, and unprecedented for Cheeto to pardon the Russiagate suspects. So, yeah, I agree that he might actually do it. The DNC could run a spot next year saying “Pardon us, but we need a new Congress.” There could be variants for every race.

Yeah but we’re talking about the cheeto here. And I like that as a potential ad heh. We do need to get better at sound bites.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:46:27pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart

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retired cynic  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:47:32pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Even Charlie Pierce, who loves him some Senator Professor Warren, says he can’t figure out why on earth she made this unforced error.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:48:32pm

re: #51 retired cynic

Even Charlie Pierce, who loves him some Senator Professor Warren, says he can’t figure out why on earth she made this unforced error.

I honestly think she thought she could get the Bros on board with her in 2020 and some how still get enough Clinton voters. I like her but it was a cynical and stupid move by her.

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retired cynic  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:50:06pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

I honestly think she thought she could get the Bros on board with her in 2020 and some how still get enough Clinton voters. I like her but it was a cynical and stupid move by her.

CP doesn’t think she should run for Pres. Wants her to stay where she is and swing her hammer there.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:51:40pm

I’ve gotten into a lot of arguments with Berniebots when they still hold on to the delusion that he would have won. I ask them if they lived through the 1972 Presidential Campaign and they often say “no”.

I remind them of the Nixon campaign’s total character assassination of McGovern.

The first line of attack came from the GOP chairman who repeatedly said that McGovern supported “Red Henry Wallace” for President in 1948.

Then John Conolly (who was still a DINO) went on TV and said he had set up “Democrats for Nixon”. And that’s where the real character assassination was cranked up to 11. They showed commercials with a spinning picture of McGovern allegedly talking out of both sides of his mouth. Next came a commercial showing toy soldiers getting smashed with a hammer while the announcer (Lorne Greene) said Mc Govern was going to cripple our military. Next came the picture of Jane Fonda standing next to McGovern. Then they attacked McGovern’s support for the Negative Income Tax (a Milton Friedman proposal that Nixon originally proposed in 1969 to replace Social Security and Welfare programs by giving everyone a basic minimum income). McGovern was going to give every lazy colored person $1,000 a year! The cherry on the cake came when the AFL-CIO decided to commit suicide with Meany, Kirkland and I W Abel of the Steelworkers joining with the Teamsters Union to back Nixon.

In the end, Mc Govern wound up carrying only DC and Massachusetts.

The RepubliKKKlans would have had a mass orgasm if Bernie had been nominated. Start with that first line of attack where Bernie was on the Socialist Workers electoral slate in 1980. Add in those sex articles he wrote in the 70s. Now what do you think Franky Graham KKKraKKKer and the Pulpit Pimps would have done with them? Next a “Democrats for Trump” group headed by LIEberman. Next they would go after Bernie’s failure to pass major legislation. Then comes his wife’s finances. Add in commercials of fast food workers getting $15 dollars an hour while white struggle with less. Then all those lazy colored people getting a free college education. The attacks would be coming from all sides and in the end Bernie would have been slaughtered. He would have wound up beaten worse than McGovern or Mondale. He would have probably even lost DC to Trump and he would barely get the 3 Vermont electoral votes. Trump would have slaughtered him 535-3 in the electoral college. And the GOP would have had substantial gains in both houses…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:52:27pm

re: #53 retired cynic

CP doesn’t think she should run for Pres. Wants her to stay where she is and swing her hammer there.

I would agree with him. She’d be best staying in the Senate being a crusader for consumers. I like her work but she by her own admission is someone not interested in FP, after Trump’s mess, we’re going to need someone who not only is interested in FP but is damn good at understanding it. That may be why Biden while I actually prefer he not run may be a good fit in that regard but I honestly want Biden to enjoy a much earned retirement at this point. 44 years of elected service in Washington, Joe you deserve a peaceful retirement with Jill, your kids, and grandkids.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:54:25pm

re: #54 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’ve gotten into a lot of arguments with Berniebots when they still hold on to the delusion that he would have won. I ask them if they lived through the 1972 Presidential Campaign and they often say “no”.

I remind them of the Nixon campaign’s total character assassination of McGovern.

The first line of attack came from the GOP chairman who repeatedly said that McGovern supported “Red Henry Wallace” for President in 1948.

Then John Conolly (who was still a DINO) went on TV and said he had set up “Democrats for Nixon”. And that’s where the real character assassination was cranked up to 11. They showed commercials with a spinning picture of McGovern allegedly talking out of both sides of his mouth. Next came a commercial showing toy soldiers getting smashed with a hammer while the announcer (Lorne Greene) said Mc Govern was going to cripple our military. Next came the picture of Jane Fonda standing next to McGovern. Then they attacked McGovern’s support for the Negative Income Tax (a Milton Friedman proposal that Nixon originally proposed in 1969 to replace Social Security and Welfare programs by giving everyone a basic minimum income). McGovern was going to give every lazy colored person $1,000 a year! The cherry on the cake came when the AFL-CIO decided to commit suicide with Meany, Kirkland and I W Abel of the Steelworkers joining with the Teamsters Union to back Nixon.

In the end, Mc Govern wound up carrying only DC and Massachusetts.

The RepubliKKKlans would have had a mass orgasm if Bernie had been nominated. Start with that first line of attack where Bernie was on the Socialist Workers electoral slate in 1980. Add in those sex articles he wrote in the 70s. Now what do you think Franky Graham KKKraKKKer and the Pulpit Pimps would have done with them? Next a “Democrats for Trump” group headed by LIEberman. Next they would go after Bernie’s failure to pass major legislation. Then comes his wife’s finances. Add in commercials of fast food workers getting $15 dollars an hour while white struggle with less. Then all those lazy colored people getting a free college education. The attacks would be coming from all sides and in the end Bernie would have been slaughtered. He would have wound up beaten worse than McGovern or Mondale. He would have probably even lost DC to Trump and he would barely get the 3 Vermont electoral votes. Trump would have slaughtered him 535-3 in the electoral college. And the GOP would have had substantial gains in both houses…

They’re focused on hypothetical polls that have Bernie winning. Your’e absolutely right. Bernie would have lost. I don’t think it would have been as bad you think it would be because I think many states are going Democratic no matter what but it would have been the worst Dem showing since Dukakis in ‘88 easily. But then again, as you do get at, I didn’t live through 1972 or 1984 even.

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:54:54pm

re: #51 retired cynic

Even Charlie Pierce, who loves him some Senator Professor Warren, says he can’t figure out why on earth she made this unforced error.

He knows, but because he’s also a HRC He-man Woman-hater, he’ll never say.

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retired cynic  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:59:38pm

re: #57 Brian J.

He knows, but because he’s also a HRC He-man Woman-hater, he’ll never say.

Boy, where did that come from? Disagree. Don’t always agree with him myself, but that seems over the top.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:00:24pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:01:00pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

Happy, I remember 1972 and 1984 all too well.

A Bernie 2016 run would have been the worst wipeout the Democrats ever had.

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:01:58pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

They’re focused on hypothetical polls that have Bernie winning. Your’e absolutely right. Bernie would have lost. I don’t think it would have been as bad you think it would be because I think many states are going Democratic no matter what but it would have been the worst Dem showing since Dukakis in ‘88 easily. But then again, as you do get at, I didn’t live through 1972 or 1984 even.

I was eight in 1984, so my experience is second-hand, but I think it really would have been that bad. On the rare occasion that Bernie was cross-examined or seriously questioned, he fell to pieces. Witness the infamous New York Daily News interview in which he couldn’t explain the “break-up-the-banks” proposal that supposedly had been his main goal in life for 45 years. Or the time when he literally walked out of a hostile interview in Arizona. When the bots came for him after doing his dirty work, he’d have been absolutely flummoxed.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:02:00pm

re: #59 FormerDirtDart

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The way things are going with Tony he may wind up with a cellmate named Harvey…

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:02:46pm

re: #58 retired cynic

Boy, where did that come from? Disagree. Don’t always agree with him myself, but that seems over the top.

Pierce was blatantly pro-Sanders during the primary and his reasons always struck me as specious.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:03:26pm

re: #61 Brian J.

I was eight in 1984, so my experience is second-hand, but I think it really would have been that bad. On the rare occasion that Bernie was cross-examined or seriously questioned, he fell to pieces. Witness the infamous New York Daily News interview in which he couldn’t explain the “break-up-the-banks” proposal that supposedly had been his main goal in life for 45 years. Or the time when he literally walked out of a hostile interview in Arizona. When the bots came for him after doing his dirty work, he’d have been absolutely flummoxed.

And the cherry on the RepubliKKKlan cake would have been when they went after Jane’s finagling with the college bookkeeping…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:04:13pm

re: #61 Brian J.

I was eight in 1984, so my experience is second-hand, but I think it really would have been that bad. On the rare occasion that Bernie was cross-examined or seriously questioned, he fell to pieces. Witness the infamous New York Daily News interview in which he couldn’t explain the “break-up-the-banks” proposal that supposedly had been his main goal in life for 45 years. Or the time when he literally walked out of a hostile interview in Arizona. When the bots came for him after doing his dirty work, he’d have been absolutely flummoxed.

I don’t think it’s an indicator of inherent strength but I believe the way we’re set up now that some states are guaranteed safe Democrat just as some are safe Republican. I do agree with you that he doesn’t hold up well under tough questions and scrutiny. The scary thing is the GOP would have sold Trump as a “moderate” compared to him.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:04:54pm

This is how China will supplant the USA as the go-to source for economic support in the developing world. The government-funded Confucius Institutes do more than teach locals Mandarin; they also teach what a great and wonderful place China is.

qz.com

A few of my former students and colleagues have been Hanban teachers in Thailand, the Philippines and the USA. A good friend was a Hanban teacher in the high school where I once taught, and she helped me get the job in Hunan province in 2008. I would say, based on these sources of information, that the Confucius Institutes are a two-way street. While the unstated purpose of the CIs is to spread propaganda about China, Chinese fellows bring back foreign ideas and attitudes. More importantly, they eventually learn (or have suspicions confirmed) that China has deliberately lied about its history regarding Tibet, Taiwan and Tian’anmen Square 1989, and that its record on human rights is far from stellar.

Whether their realization that the Chinese government is flawed will have any lasting effect on the future of said government remains to be seen.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:05:24pm

re: #60 Joe Bacon 🌹

Happy, I remember 1972 and 1984 all too well.

A Bernie 2016 run would have been the worst wipeout the Democrats ever had.

I hear you but my belief and you’re free to disagree is that I think some states are going to the Dems pretty much no matter what. I definitely do think it would have been a loss because I think the RNC would have been licking its chops to run against an honest to god self described Democratic Socialist and he’s got other problems too.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:06:35pm

re: #62 Joe Bacon 🌹

The way things are going with Tony he may wind up with a cellmate named Harvey…

Nah, lil’ Ant-nee will be out by the time Harvey ever goes on trial, let alone convicted & sentenced

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:07:15pm

re: #66 wheat-dogg

This is how China will supplant the USA as the go-to source for economic support in the developing world. The government-funded Confucius Institutes do more than teach locals Mandarin; they also teach what a great and wonderful place China is.

qz.com

A few of my former students and colleagues have been Hanban teachers in Thailand, the Philippines and the USA. A good friend was a Hanban teacher in the high school where I once taught, and she helped me get the job in Hunan province in 2008. I would say, based on these sources of information, that the Confucius Institutes are a two-way street. While the unstated purpose of the CIs is to spread propaganda about China, Chinese fellows bring back foreign ideas and attitudes. More importantly, they eventually learn (or have suspicions confirmed) that China has deliberately lied about its history regarding Tibet, Taiwan and Tian’anmen Square 1989, and that its record on human rights is far from stellar.

Whether their realization that the Chinese government is flawed will have any lasting effect on the future of said government remains to be seen.

Very interesting. By the way, my firm is going to be advertising the EB-1 Visa process in China. A young woman who has worked with our firm before is going to advertise them. Your students wouldn’t be eligible since EB-1 is extraordinary ability but it’s a good program.

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:07:37pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

I don’t think it’s an indicator of inherent strength but I believe the way we’re set up now that some states are guaranteed safe Democrat just as some are safe Republican. I do agree with you that he doesn’t hold up well under tough questions and scrutiny. The scary thing is the GOP would have sold Trump as a “moderate” compared to him.

Not that safe. Last night, I noted that Elizabeth Warren could only reasonably be assured of six states in the general election of a Presidential run. Three of those states have Republican governors (MA, MD, VT), and two others had them as recently as 2010 (CA, HI).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:10:00pm

re: #70 Brian J.

Not that safe. Last night, I noted that Elizabeth Warren could only reasonably be assured of six states in the general election of a Presidential run. Three of those states have Republican governors (MA, MD, VT), and two others had them as recently as 2010 (CA, HI).

As I said, that’s my opinion. My thesis is that each Dem and Republican candidate starts out with say 45% of the popular vote and let’s say 100 or so EVs each. Those states whose governors you mention are much more moderate than the national GOP. I’m not saying you’re wrong or I’m right but that’s my theory. That said, I think we do agree that Sanders would have had the biggest loss since Michael Dukakis in 1988.

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:11:33pm

re: #66 wheat-dogg

This is how China will supplant the USA as the go-to source for economic support in the developing world. The government-funded Confucius Institutes do more than teach locals Mandarin; they also teach what a great and wonderful place China is.

Whether their realization that the Chinese government is flawed will have any lasting effect on the future of said government remains to be seen.

I suspect that they’ll retort that nowhere is perfect and China comes closer than most. I remember trying to explain the 2000 Presidential election to fellow graduate students who were Chinese. I’m sure the election didn’t give them a good impression of the place. At least I hope I did.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:14:28pm

re: #60 Joe Bacon 🌹

Happy, I remember 1972 and 1984 all too well.

A Bernie 2016 run would have been the worst wipeout the Democrats ever had.

I also remember those election years. Had Sanders won the primary (very unlikely), he would have been thrashed in the general, as McGovern was in ‘72. McGovern was a better candidate than Sanders in a lot of ways (he was actually a Democrat, for example, and not a hanger-on), but he was too liberal and too anti-war for the majority of the electorate then. And Nixon as the incumbent had established himself (pre-Watergate investigation) as a reasonable choice to be president.

Given that a significant portion of the 2016 electorate was convinced that Obama was too liberal, Sanders would have been to them out of the question, even as an old white dude.

BernieBots are just huffing paint thinner if they think Sanders could have won against anyone the Republicans ran.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:14:37pm

re: #59 FormerDirtDart

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My uncle died of complications of HIV/AIDS that he acquired in prison. Prison rape jokes aren’t funny. The physical, emotional and sexual abuse within our prison system is a goddamned travesty and it reflects terribly on us when we make lite of it instead of treating it like something we should all be utterly ashamed of.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:15:19pm

Man I remember PLL used to complain about the Chinese students. Obviously, I’m no fan of the PRC too but the best thing to do would be to be friendly. I took a couple Chinese history courses as an undergrad. It’s a fascinating place but I actually think I got my best understanding of China and Taiwan for that matter during a job I had briefly in the fall of 2015. My co-worker was from Taiwan. Now, you may expect that he’d be biased as hell against Beijing and the PRC but he was very nuanced in explaining to me the history of Taiwan, the divides within Taiwanese culture, etc. On another note, he was also great at talking basketball with and I even tried my first Chinese breakfasts through him when he brought some bean pastries in one day. He also made homemade bubble tea for our corner of the office.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:17:05pm
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jaunte  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:18:28pm
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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:18:34pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

Very interesting. By the way, my firm is going to be advertising the EB-1 Visa process in China. A young woman who has worked with our firm before is going to advertise them. Your students wouldn’t be eligible since EB-1 is extraordinary ability but it’s a good program.

I’ve got several students who dream of working in the USA. Right now, their best bet is to enter grad school there and snag a job after graduation. A couple of them have managed just that, and now have green cards.

Young people in China may have romantic ideas about freedom in the USA, but they also realize that freedom in China is a pipe dream. They and their families want an escape route.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:18:40pm

re: #73 wheat-dogg

I also remember those election years. Had Sanders won the primary (very unlikely), he would have been thrashed in the general, as McGovern was in ‘72. McGovern was a better candidate than Sanders in a lot of ways (he was actually a Democrat, for example, and not a hanger-on), but he was too liberal and too anti-war for the majority of the electorate then. And Nixon as the incumbent had established himself (pre-Watergate investigation) as a reasonable choice to be president.

Given that a significant portion of the 2016 electorate was convinced that Obama was too liberal, Sanders would have been to them out of the question, even as an old white dude.

BernieBots are just huffing paint thinner if they think Sanders could have won against anyone the Republicans ran.

I do agree with you guys that he would have lost but my theory is the county has been so polarized since 2000 that candidates even ones that are weak are bound to get a certain amount of the vote and that we’re unlikely to see a true landslide again. Not denying Obama his victory in 2008 was unimpressive, it was, but I mean something massive like FDR over Landon, LBJ over Goldwater, Nixon over McGovern, or Reagan over Mondale.. The thing that gets me is they use hypothetical polls to say that’s why Bernie should have been nominated. So lemme get this straight. You hate the SDs but oyu want people nominating based off of hypothetical polls. Not to mention the Republican candidates pretty much either laughed Bernie off or concern trolled using him to try to divide the left by pretending like they respected him.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:20:41pm

re: #77 jaunte

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I think the reason why this has tightened is that through his bigoted ads, Gillespie finally has the deplorables on board.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:21:20pm

re: #77 jaunte

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:21:57pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

I do agree with you guys that he would have lost but my theory is the county has been so polarized since 2000 that candidates even ones that are weak are bound to get a certain amount of the vote and that we’re unlikely to see a true landslide again.

There’s one other obvious reason to believe this wouldn’t have saved Sanders from annihilation in 2016- he’s not a Democrat! Diehard Democrats would have no kinship with this weird, shambling clown. The votes for Johnson and Stein would have been much larger, and Johnson in particular would have probably finished second in some states.

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retired cynic  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:23:54pm

I wish Michelle and/or Barack could make a special trip to VA and really pound the drum.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:24:03pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Man I remember PLL used to complain about the Chinese students. Obviously, I’m no fan of the PRC too but the best thing to do would be to be friendly. I took a couple Chinese history courses as an undergrad. It’s a fascinating place but I actually think I got my best understanding of China and Taiwan for that matter during a job I had briefly in the fall of 2015. My co-worker was from Taiwan. Now, you may expect that he’d be biased as hell against Beijing and the PRC but he was very nuanced in explaining to me the history of Taiwan, the divides within Taiwanese culture, etc. On another note, he was also great at talking basketball with and I even tried my first Chinese breakfasts through him when he brought some bean pastries in one day. He also made homemade bubble tea for our corner of the office.

It’s a Thai advert, but still a good joke.
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:24:12pm

re: #78 wheat-dogg

I’ve got several students who dream of working in the USA. Right now, their best bet is to enter grad school there and snag a job after graduation. A couple of them have managed just that, and now have green cards.

Young people in China may have romantic ideas about freedom in the USA, but they also realize that freedom in China is a pipe dream. They and their families want an escape route.

I am not surprised. A lot of the Chinese students at GMU were economics students or involved in something different than my history program so I really didn’t see a lot of them in my classes outside the Gen Eds but I liked them. Hopefully they can come here. This is a good place to live despite what Trump does and I don’t see the PRC going democratic in our lifetimes. Anyhow, I have this memory of stopping by my dorm to pick something up, gosh it had to have been during Thanksgiving break because it was long enough that those who lived out of state could go home but it would be expensive for a foreign student to fly home. I remember them playing games in the common area in the dorm. I don’t know what these men and women have done since they got their degrees but I hope we made them feel welcome here.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:24:30pm

re: #81 goddamnedfrank

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:26:06pm

re: #84 wheat-dogg

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Hahaha, our client, the young woman I was talking about, impressive young woman. We had a good conversation because her younger brother attends my former high school and I think she did as well. I live in the next county over from where I grew up but our firm’s office is in the town next to the town where I grew up.

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jaunte  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:26:08pm
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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:26:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:26:50pm

re: #83 retired cynic

I wish Michelle and/or Barack could make a special trip to VA and really pound the drum.

That would be great. They were in Richmond last week I believe. Come out to GMU, one more time, Mr. President and Madam First Lady, I’m sure a lot of people would love to see you again.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:28:13pm

re: #88 jaunte

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Now you know why I’ve become a staunch supporter. Time after time again she’s smeared as a crook, uncaring, etc and none of it is true. But does anyone go “Hey we might have been wrong about Hillary.” Nope. Just “Ohhh, that was wrong, well okay, well Bernie still woulda won.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:29:54pm

I’m definitely not the most outgoing person in the world but I always do try to go out of my way to be friendly especially if I know someone is a stranger or hasn’t been here too long. I make it clear every time I talk with my SiL’s family and friends who are immigrants naturalized or not, “This is your country just as much as it is mine, I have your back.”

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jaunte  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:29:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:30:34pm

re: #93 jaunte

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Brazille, Warren, ?

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:31:55pm

Honestly it’s useless to speculate whether Bernie would’ve won or lost. There’s no way of knowing. All that matters is that he lost the primary race by millions of votes and was mathematically out of the running by April at the latest. Not conceding when there was no statistically realistic shot at winning the nomination damaged her candidacy. Every single hour he waited to concede after the final contest in DC helped damage Clinton’s candidacy. Lying about her calling him unqualified so he could call her unqualified damaged her candidacy. Refusing to denounce his rabid surrogates who attacked her after he’d endorsed her damaged her candidacy.

Bernie was a selfish prick who fed his own ego at the cost of the most vulnerable groups in our society. His insistence on prioritizing his “movement” over the immediate health and safety of the very marginalized groups he purportedly championed has probably irrevocably damaged our society, indeed our planet, for generations to come.

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jaunte  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:32:37pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Tulsi Gabbard, Bernie, CA Progressive Dem Caucus: the whole story is in @electicbrotha ‘s thread.

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:32:51pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Brazille, Warren, ?

Note the home state. That is, these fools are conducting an “autopsy” of a state party that has never been stronger.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:33:57pm

re: #96 jaunte

Tulsi Gabbard, Bernie, CA Progressive Dem Caucus: the whole story is in @electicbrotha ‘s thread.

Oh God, I can’t stand Gabbard. As for the Progressive CA Dem Caucus, they do know that HRC won their state pretty big right? Seven percent. Not a landslide but not anything to scoff at either.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:36:28pm

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

Honestly it’s useless to speculate whether Bernie would’ve won or lost. There’s no way of knowing. All that matters is that he lost the primary race by millions of votes and was mathematically out of the running by April at the latest. Not conceding when there was no statistically realistic shot at winning the nomination damaged her candidacy. Every single hour he waited to concede after the final contest in DC helped damage Clinton’s candidacy. Lying about her calling him unqualified so he could call her unqualified damaged her candidacy. Refusing to denounce his rabid surrogates who attacked her after he’d endorsed her damaged her candidacy.

Bernie was a selfish prick who fed his own ego at the cost of the most vulnerable groups in our society. His insistence on prioritizing his “movement” over the immediate health and safety of the very marginalized groups he purportedly championed has probably irrevocably damaged our society, indeed our planet, for generations to come.

Agreed 100% with that. I honestly lost a lot of respect for Bob Reich for continuing to tell his supporters he still had a chance. I mean technically he did but he did in the same way you still have a chance in baseball season if you’re hovering around 500 with a month to play. You need to do a lot right and your opponent needs to do a lot wrong. Sanders should have conceded in the early spring and immediately focused his efforts on helping HRC and other Dems get elected. He didn’t and that’s a good reason as if any not to let him get the keys in 2020.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:36:44pm

re: #97 Brian J.

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Thank ya.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:39:24pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

I am not surprised. A lot of the Chinese students at GMU were economics students or involved in something different than my history program so I really didn’t see a lot of them in my classes outside the Gen Eds but I liked them. Hopefully they can come here. This is a good place to live despite what Trump does and I don’t see the PRC going democratic in our lifetimes. Anyhow, I have this memory of stopping by my dorm to pick something up, gosh it had to have been during Thanksgiving break because it was long enough that those who lived out of state could go home but it would be expensive for a foreign student to fly home. I remember them playing games in the common area in the dorm. I don’t know what these men and women have done since they got their degrees but I hope we made them feel welcome here.

I’ve had some students participate in a sketchy “work-study” summer program in the States, where they work for shit wages in menial jobs for three months and have another month to travel. Even the ones who had abysmal work experiences with bad employers say their interactions with Americans were overwhelmingly positive. None gave me the impression those bad experiences colored their attitudes toward the USA in general. I suppose Chinese are used to having shitty bosses.

What they appreciate most is not just the personal freedom to do what they like, but also the general American attitude of not judging someone because of his or her family background or the quality of his or her connections (guanxi). Here in China, family background, guanxi and one’s university are all grounds for prejudicial treatment in the workplace. IOW, kids who attended a key university, who are not from rural areas, or who have family connections with someone in a company have a better chance of getting a job than anyone else.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:44:37pm

re: #101 wheat-dogg

I’ve had some students participate in a sketchy “work-study” summer program in the States, where they work for shit wages in menial jobs for three months and have another month to travel. Even the ones who had abysmal work experiences with bad employers say their interactions with Americans were overwhelmingly positive. None gave me the impression those bad experiences colored their attitudes toward the USA in general. I suppose Chinese are used to having shitty bosses.

What they appreciate most is not just the personal freedom to do what they like, but also the general American attitude of not judging someone because of his or her family background or the quality of his or her connections (guanxi). Here in China, family background, guanxi and one’s university are all grounds for prejudicial treatment in the workplace. IOW, kids who attended a key university, who are not from rural areas, or who have family connections with someone in a company have a better chance of getting a job than anyone else.

I’m not surprised by that. I hear ya about the personal freedoms thing. I was talking to my mom’s cousin about her mom (my mom’s dad’s older sister) and my great aunt who was born before my great grandparents were naturalized said that what struck them when they got here from Slovenia and the Austro-Hungarian Emprie was that they had a lot of individual freedoms and they didn’t fear being watched. Plus, I am sure family connections was another thing too. I think the best thing an American can do a foreign visitor is be as friendly as possible. I hear an accent I don’t know, I honestly do want to knwo where these people are from. The beach resort town I go to has a ton of Eastern European kids that work at the restaurants and bars in the summer months and they’re nice kids. I’m often curious to talk to them because a lot of them are Slovakians and when I find that out, I point out my own roots in that country. I think they A) Appreciate an American knowing their country and B) Not just assuming they’re Russian.

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retired cynic  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:46:09pm

Three voices I am missing tonight are klys, teleskiguy, and anymouse. Hope all is well with them.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:47:42pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

I’m definitely not the most outgoing person in the world but I always do try to go out of my way to be friendly especially if I know someone is a stranger or hasn’t been here too long. I make it clear every time I talk with my SiL’s family and friends who are immigrants naturalized or not, “This is your country just as much as it is mine, I have your back.”

If only everyone were like that.

As I’ve mentioned before, three of my grandparents were immigrants, so I am very supportive of present-day immigrants, undocumented or not.

I never got to comment about Laura Loonie Loomer’s Uber and Lyft meltdown a few days ago, but if Loomer expects to find a non-immigrant livery driver anywhere in NYC, she’d have a long wait. I’m sure they exist, but driving a cab or being a gig driver has been a natural occupational path for immigrants for decades. My son uses Uber a lot for his business travels, and he says at least 75% of his drivers are South Asian.

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Alyosha  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:48:29pm

re: #103 retired cynic

Three voices I am missing tonight are klys, teleskiguy, and anymouse. Hope all is well with them.

I just realised I haven’t seen Timothy Watson post in weeks.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:49:12pm

Regarding that CA Progressive Dem “autopsy,” anybody notice what’s missing from this photograph? A hint: it’s a synonym for tint.

The replies are delicious tho’.

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retired cynic  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:50:28pm

re: #105 Alyosha

I just realised I haven’t seen Timothy Watson post in weeks.

You are right. I’m feeling this administration’s constant artillery barrage on our rights and privileges weighing me down. For my health’s sake, I shouldn’t pay as much as attention as I do…

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:50:56pm

re: #103 retired cynic

Three voices I am missing tonight are klys, teleskiguy, and anymouse. Hope all is well with them.

To be fair, shit is fucked up and bullshit.

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scottslemmons  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:51:01pm

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

Regarding that CA Progressive Dem “autopsy,” anybody notice what’s missing from this photograph? A hint: it’s a synonym for tint.

The replies are delicious tho’.

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I see an Asian person and possibly a couple Latinos — there could be more in the back. I’m fairly willing to bet they have maybe a half-dozen undercover Trumpers.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:51:23pm

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

Regarding that CA Progressive Dem “autopsy,” anybody notice what’s missing from this photograph? A hint: it’s a synonym for tint.

The replies are delicious tho’.

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Good catch.

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retired cynic  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:51:31pm

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

Regarding that CA Progressive Dem “autopsy,” anybody notice what’s missing from this photograph? A hint: it’s a synonym for tint.

The replies are delicious tho’.

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Stupid. Stupid is as stupid does.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:52:10pm

re: #105 Alyosha

I just realised I haven’t seen Timothy Watson post in weeks.

Shit you’re right. Tim hasn’t posted in a while.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:53:09pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

I’m not surprised by that. I hear ya about the personal freedoms thing. I was talking to my mom’s cousin about her mom (my mom’s dad’s older sister) and my great aunt who was born before my great grandparents were naturalized said that what struck them when they got here from Slovenia and the Austro-Hungarian Emprie was that they had a lot of individual freedoms and they didn’t fear being watched. Plus, I am sure family connections was another thing too. I think the best thing an American can do a foreign visitor is be as friendly as possible. I hear an accent I don’t know, I honestly do want to knwo where these people are from. The beach resort town I go to has a ton of Eastern European kids that work at the restaurants and bars in the summer months and they’re nice kids. I’m often curious to talk to them because a lot of them are Slovakians and when I find that out, I point out my own roots in that country. I think they A) Appreciate an American knowing their country and B) Not just assuming they’re Russian.

I never had the chance to ask my grandparents about their emigration from Sweden — they had all died by the time I was born — but their reasons were probably not all that different from my Chinese students’ desires to emigrate. Nineteenth-century Sweden was (a) overpopulated and (b) depressingly hidebound about social class and religious beliefs. Swedes came to America to escape that kind of oppression as much as to better themselves economically.

Now I feel that the USA is gradually becoming as hidebound about social class and religion as the Old World once was, at least within certain demographics.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:53:19pm

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

Regarding that CA Progressive Dem “autopsy,” anybody notice what’s missing from this photograph? A hint: it’s a synonym for tint.

The replies are delicious tho’.

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I bet the same people cutting checks to the Green Party are sending some their way.
Rubles to Bitcoins to Dollars

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:53:57pm

re: #104 wheat-dogg

If only everyone were like that.

As I’ve mentioned before, three of my grandparents were immigrants, so I am very supportive of present-day immigrants, undocumented or not.

I never got to comment about Laura Loonie Loomer’s Uber and Lyft meltdown a few days ago, but if Loomer expects to find a non-immigrant livery driver anywhere in NYC, she’d have a long wait. I’m sure they exist, but driving a cab or being a gig driver has been a natural occupational path for immigrants for decades. My son uses Uber a lot for his business travels, and he says at least 75% of his drivers are South Asian.

Absolutely. Oh and Loomer wanted a “non Muslim.” It honestly in a dark way amuses me how a lot of right wing xenophobes are immigrants like Looper, Milo, Gorka, or to throw an old name out here Derbyshire.

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:54:53pm

The BernieBros want to keep fighting, apparently:

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retired cynic  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:56:46pm

re: #117 Brian J.

The BernieBros want to keep fighting, apparently:

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Stupid can’t be stacked high enough, or dug deep enough.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:57:43pm

It befuddles me why, given the clear threats posed by this administration and Congress, Democrats are spending so much time re-litigating the 2016 election. It’s like debating who left the barn door open after the horses escaped and then got stolen.

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Weaselone  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:58:24pm

re: #117 Brian J.

The BernieBros want to keep fighting, apparently:

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That’s a suspiciously short quote.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:59:22pm

re: #113 wheat-dogg

I never had the chance to ask my grandparents about their emigration from Sweden — they had all died by the time I was born — but their reasons were probably not all that different from my Chinese students’ desires to emigrate. Nineteenth-century Sweden was (a) overpopulated and (b) depressingly hidebound about social class and religious beliefs. Swedes came to America to escape that kind of oppression as much as to better themselves economically.

Now I feel that the USA is gradually becoming as hidebound about social class and religion as the Old World once was, at least within certain demographics.

My mom never knew her grandparents either. What I heard was third hand but yeah. I totally hear ya about the bolded. It’s really sad because we should be getting better on this. Whereas my great grandparents were bold in their day to marry outside religion- my dad’s paternal grandfather who gives us our surname was a Lutheran, dad’s paternal grandmother was Catholic. Both from German families though Great Nanna’s mother was American born but marrying outside of religion was a big deal in the early 1900’s. So then you ave my Dad’s parents. Dad’s Dad came from a well to do family really. While Nana, Dad’s Mom was more working class. Then there’s my parents. Another class and cultural crossover. And then my brother. He’s married to a Peruvian immigrant. I have no idea who my niece will fall in love with. It could be someone who’s a member of an American Revolution descendant group or it could be someone who came here as a refugee. Love is love and ti should transcend class, religion, etc. We’re a petter place when we are proud of our differences and don’t use said differences to scapegoat people.

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:00:01pm

re: #119 wheat-dogg

It befuddles me why, given the clear threats posed by this administration and Congress, Democrats are spending so much time re-litigating the 2016 election. It’s like debating who left the barn door open after the horses escaped and then got stolen.

DEMOCRATS are not. SANDBAGGERS are. The party needs to simply expel Sanders, Ellison, Warren, and Brazile and sluice all the left-wing sludge out of the platform. We did everything possible to make concessions to these clowns and all we get are insults.

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retired cynic  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:02:53pm

re: #122 Brian J.

I’m not willing to through out Ellison and Warren out. Wondering what Brazile’s book reads like in full. But I won’t argue with you on Sanders and the “Sanders Wing.” No such thing, IMO.

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William Lewis  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:04:09pm

re: #103 retired cynic

Three voices I am missing tonight are klys, teleskiguy, and anymouse. Hope all is well with them.

I’ve been in training all week so paying little attention here. Is something up with them or just not around?

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:05:23pm

re: #123 retired cynic

I’m not willing to through out Ellison and Warren out. Wondering what Brazile’s book reads like in full. But I won’t argue with you on Sanders and the “Sanders Wing.” No such thing, IMO.

Judging from the excerpts released and her inability to remember well-known facts, it’ll probably be “The Eye of Argon” of political memoirs.

Ellison is routinely doing the exact opposite of his job, and Warren wants to hand the DNC to people who aren’t Ds. Absent apologies that obviously aren’t coming, they should be out of here. Does Perez have the guts to continue what he started at the Fall Meeting two weeks ago?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:05:27pm

re: #124 William Lewis

I’ve been in training all week so paying little attention here. Is something up with them or just not around?

I think just in general since Ski was here last night and I think eearlier in the evening. Klys hasn’t been on as much lately. Hopefully, she’s just caught up in hockey season. Think I saw AM a few days ago.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:05:41pm

re: #122 Brian J.

DEMOCRATS are not. SANDBAGGERS are. The party needs to simply expel Sanders, Ellison, Warren, and Brazile and sluice all the left-wing sludge out of the platform. We did everything possible to make concessions to these clowns and all we get are insults.

Sanders isn’t in the party and there’s no mechanism for formally expelling Ellison, Warren or Brazile. All we can really do is shun them, refuse to give them money and make it clear when they ask for it that their divisive, despicable conduct has made them undeserving of our support. Better to focus on helping candidates that don’t undermine the party in order to advance themselves.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:08:02pm

You know what I hate about what’s being done here? It craps on the majority of registered Democrats that DID support her in the primaries. I mean I don’t need to tell you how many times I’ve heard the BBs claim they’re the true base of the Democratic Party. Obviously not everyone who supported Sanders in the primaries this past year is a BB but the people who call Clinton a crypto-Republican or no better than one can kiss my ass.

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William Lewis  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:08:35pm

re: #122 Brian J.

DEMOCRATS are not. SANDBAGGERS are. The party needs to simply expel Sanders, Ellison, Warren, and Brazile and sluice all the left-wing sludge out of the platform. We did everything possible to make concessions to these clowns and all we get are insults.

Policy and social reform ideas are one thing. Pushing for science, pushing that black lives matter, pushing choice or pushing a living wage are all “left wing” ideas and throwing the baby with the grey water isn’t going to get us any closer to getting the nation back on track.

Never forget that it’s the left wing ideas - usually hammered through by unions - that got us up to where we began to touch the sky before the right began to hammer us back down under Reagan.

But it’s never too late so long as we draw breath.

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:09:01pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

Sanders isn’t in the party and there’s no mechanism for formally expelling Ellison, Warren or Brazile.

Brazile’s a DNC employee; firing her should be a trivial task. As for the others, have Schumer and Pelosi revoke their memberships in the party caucus and strip them of their committee memberships, while the DNC informs interested parties of the effectively vacant Massachusetts and Vermont Senate seats and the Minnesota 5th District House seat.

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William Lewis  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:09:33pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

I think just in general since Ski was here last night and I think eearlier in the evening. Klys hasn’t been on as much lately. Hopefully, she’s just caught up in hockey season. Think I saw AM a few days ago.

Ok. Thanks for the info.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:11:18pm

re: #131 William Lewis

Ok. Thanks for the info.

Yeah as far as I’m concerned, no health troubles or anything like that. I’m glad TImothy was mentioned though. Throwing another name out there but Varek too. After my own state legislature district, his is the one I want to flip over to the Dems most.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:11:45pm

re: #129 William Lewis

Policy and social reform ideas are one thing. Pushing for science, pushing that black lives matter, pushing choice or pushing a living wage are all “left wing” ideas and throwing the baby with the grey water isn’t going to get us any closer to getting the nation back on track.

Never forget that it’s the left wing ideas - usually hammered through by unions - that got us up to where we began to touch the sky before the right began to hammer us back down under Reagan.

But it’s never too late so long as we draw breath.

Agreed.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:12:02pm

Looks like Loomer didn’t have to pay a price for her hate speech on Twitter the past few days. I guess dudebro @Jack has different standards

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:12:44pm

re: #114 Dave In Austin

Gah!!! She also raised a wonderful young lady! Damnet!!!!!!!!
Her Mom should be POTUS!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:14:16pm

re: #135 JordanRules

Gah!!! She also raised a wonderful young lady! Damnet!!!!!!!!
Her Mom should be POTUS!

The joke really is on Rush for calling her a dog. McCain too for that stupid joke he made in the late 90’s too. I hope it’s not the last we’ve seen of her. I really like Chelsea.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:16:42pm
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stpaulbear  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:16:42pm

re: #125 Brian J.

Judging from the excerpts released and her inability to remember well-known facts, it’ll probably be “The Eye of Argon” of political memoirs.

Ellison is routinely doing the exact opposite of his job, and Warren wants to hand the DNC to people who aren’t Ds. Absent apologies that obviously aren’t coming, they should be out of here. Does Perez have the guts to continue what he started at the Fall Meeting two weeks ago?

Ellison isn’t my rep but he’s the rep next door. I was going to call his office earlier today to ask him to give some support to Hillary, but then I started seeing quotes about his reaction to this mess. I want to call him anyway to ask why - when one of the republican candidates is saying that Ellison shouldn’t even be allowed to serve in government because of his religion - is he taking sides in this dem-against-dem pissing match. This is so very not-bright of him.

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retired cynic  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:19:23pm

re: #138 stpaulbear

Please do, since you are local. I hate to think this of him.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:19:27pm

re: #138 stpaulbear

Ellison isn’t my rep but he’s the rep next door. I was going to call his office earlier today to ask him to give some support to Hillary, but then I started seeing quotes about his reaction to this mess. I want to call him anyway to ask why - when one of the republican candidates is saying that Ellison shouldn’t even be allowed to serve in government because of his religion - is he taking sides in this dem-against-dem pissing match. This is so very not-bright of him.

Yeah I don’t get it. We could have a man like Moore I’m the Senate and Sanders’ former supporters want to focus on this? Not to mention the tax plan.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:20:04pm

This is not mac and cheese, it’s Kraft dinner.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:20:13pm

re: #139 retired cynic

Please do, since you are local. I hate to think this of him.

Ditto. Just as I hope our Massachusetts contingent called Warren.

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:22:31pm

re: #141 goddamnedfrank

NOPE.

M&C should sue!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:23:38pm

Lara Trump is starting to get involved in WH affairs. I’m waiting to hear Barron’s study buddy will be preparing Trump a report on coodies and why girls should never be President.

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retired cynic  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:24:20pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Ditto. Just as I hope our Massachusetts contingent called Warren.

I’m not local there, but I sure did write her. And Brazile, too, thanks to someone here furnishing their email addies and making it easy.

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Interesting Times  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:24:48pm

Well, here’s an ironic voice in favor of strategic voting:

Gee, would it be so hard to apply this concept to, oh, I don’t know, other elections as well? -_-

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:25:12pm

re: #145 retired cynic

I’m not local there, but I sure did write her. And Brazile, too, thanks to someone here furnishing their email addies and making it easy.

I hope she learns from this. It was a stupid thing to do.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:25:43pm

re: #143 JordanRules

NOPE.

M&C should sue!

I mean, I’m not above making “deluxe” Kraft dinner because I’m lazy as fuck most of the time but I don’t go around passing it off as real food.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:25:55pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

The joke really is on Rush for calling her a dog. McCain too for that stupid joke he made in the late 90’s too. I hope it’s not the last we’ve seen of her. I really like Chelsea.

I see her running for office of some sort in the next 10 yrs. Its what her family does.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:26:21pm

re: #146 Interesting Times

Well, here’s an ironic voice in favor of strategic voting:

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Gee, would it be so hard to apply this concept to, oh, I don’t know, other elections as well? -_-

At least he gets it in this case.

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Sea Mexican!  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:26:59pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

She really is good. A ray of light amongst the darkness.

I remember fondly En el 2000.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:27:02pm

re: #149 Dave In Austin

I see her running for office of some sort in the next 10 yrs. Its what her family does.

Wouldn’t surprise me. She’s a likable and intelligent woman.

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:29:15pm

re: #148 goddamnedfrank

Same!

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:31:34pm

re: #146 Interesting Times

Good job SK! Very smart.

*Maintains side-eye while giving props*

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:32:31pm

re: #146 Interesting Times

Well, here’s an ironic voice in favor of strategic voting:

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Gee, would it be so hard to apply this concept to, oh, I don’t know, other elections as well? -_-

I’m actually not sure that’s true. The Atlanta mayoral race has one pseudo-Republican (Mary Norwood) and many Democrats. If there were a second Republican with a realistic chance of making the runoff, this would be a necessity, but without one, you’ve got a de facto Democratic primary in the first round, and a beatdown of Norwood in the runoff.

(This situation has played out in the Louisiana Treasurer’s race this fall, but with the parties reversed. Democrat Derrick Edwards [please vote for him if you live in LA] faced four Republicans and a Libertarian. He was thus assured of a place in the runoff, while the three serious GOP candidates were left effectively competing against each other.)

And Shaun, I remember your claim that the New York primary was rigged because you couldn’t vote on a machine that wasn’t plugged in.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:36:06pm

Comments people, Comments!

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:38:58pm

re: #154 JordanRules

*Maintains side-eye while giving props*

LOL, always. Shaun gets perpetual side eye.

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Brian J.  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:39:11pm

One more word about the Atlanta mayoral race: the latest WSB poll shows Mayor Kasim Reed’s chosen successor, Keisha Bottoms, now ahead of Norwood with all other candidates well behind.

myajc.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:39:23pm

re: #156 Dave In Austin

Comments people, Comments!

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In best FDR voice, November 4, 2017, a date which will live in infamy.

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William Lewis  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:41:19pm

re: #148 goddamnedfrank

I mean, I’m not above making “deluxe” Kraft dinner because I’m lazy as fuck most of the time but I don’t go around passing it off as real food.

Kraft Neon-Yellow M&C is just as real as any other teen male/bachelor food. At least the pictures don’t show it with the college level additions of tuna & peas to make it a nutritionally complete one pot meal … O_O

Or I could simply talk about my egg noodle, spam corn & cream of mushroom soup hotdish? Sometimes with a tater-tot crust?

Or when I don’t have time for the oven and simply mix CoM straight from the can over macaroni & sliced hotdogs?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:41:56pm

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

LOL, always. Shaun gets perpetual side eye.

It’s well earned honestly. Guess he’s not s genocide denying asshole like Cenk tho.

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jaunte  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:45:07pm

re: #156 Dave In Austin

Comments people, Comments!

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Visiting Pearl Harbor inspired my daughter to join the Army to “do her part.”
Visiting Pearl Harbor will inspire Trump to calculate another way to make more money for himself.

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Alyosha  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:46:42pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

In best FDR voice, November 4, 2017, a date which will live in infamy.

I feel like taking a bombing comedy act on the road to Hawaii this close to December fits in with the Trump admin’s toxic millieu of profaning every national touchstone with their radioactive paws.

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I cannot.  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:46:45pm

littlegreenfootballs.com

How does one lease your hardware to bitcoin miners, and more importantly, who do you lease it to (i.e. safe and reliable companies)?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:47:35pm

Lre: #162 jaunte

Visiting Pearl Harbor inspired my daughter to join the Army to “do her part.”
Visiting Pearl Harbor will inspire Trump to calculate another way to make more money for himself.

I’ve never been but I have to imagine it was moving for her. I always think about the remains of the guys on the Arizona and how they’re unable to get a proper burial. Hopefully one day.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:48:46pm

re: #163 Alyosha

I feel like taking a bombing comedy act on the road to Hawaii this close to December fits in with the Trump admin’s toxic millieu of profaning every national touchstone with their radioactive paws.

I’m genuinely worried about him saying something unbelievably stupid in Japan.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:50:24pm

No family that I know of at Pearl Harbor but obviously many who signed up because of what happened that day.

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William Lewis  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:50:57pm

Been a long week, off to bed for my only day off for a bit. But for the moment:

1) I am once again a sworn government official with the mandate to defend the constitution and 2) it’s a union job :D

Night all.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:53:03pm

re: #164 I cannot.

littlegreenfootballs.com

How does one lease your hardware to bitcoin miners, and more importantly, who do you lease it to (i.e. safe and reliable companies)?

Bitcoin mining has moved off of PC to custom hardware.
GPU mining is used for other cryptocurrencies

I use NiceHash to have my gaming hardware pay for itself.
nicehash.com

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Alyosha  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:54:59pm

So, a couple of days ago I posted a tweet showing a nest of eggs in the garden. Turns out they belong to an invasive species of blackbird.

I haven’t the heart to destroy them. Besides, now if it turns out the neighbours’ cats are brave enough to have a go at them even with dogs in the yard, I won’t be as gutted at their predation.

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scottslemmons  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:55:26pm

Well, an unhappy visit with my insurance guy — there’s a terribly high chance that I could be paying at least $500/month for insurance next year. If you don’t have any income, they don’t let you have the rebate discounts to make it affordable. (That also means I’ll be paying about $7,000 to make up for the rebates I received this year, unless I can somehow get a waiver.)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:55:59pm

Night guys. Canvassing tomorrow.

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:56:35pm

This is so frustrating.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:01:18pm

Everything is coming into focus. Donna decided to go full ratfucker.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:13:31pm

re: #174 goddamnedfrank

Everything is coming into focus. Donna decided to go full ratfucker.

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And it would be the night before the election. Well I hope Donna enjoys all the cash Mercer and the Kochs slipped her!

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:30:25pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:34:26pm

Just good clean fun.

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:37:56pm

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

Punkin spiced justice!

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TedStriker  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:46:49pm

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

Just good clean fun.

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:48:32pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:49:11pm

Oh my Spidey Sense feels like Muller has some wild cards in his hand that he may play to Trump the Tangsnorter…Could those cards have the goods on folks like Jill Stein, Cenk, Nina and Tulsi??? How about Tad???

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Dave In Austin  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:53:10pm
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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:55:01pm

re: #182 Dave In Austin

Katie?!?!? Kaaaatie??
Where is Katie damnet?!?!

Them, all of.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:58:30pm
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I cannot.  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:01:24pm

re: #169 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Well…that was an interesting, but short-lived disaster.

Installed and set-up, click BENCHMARK
Computer clicks off. Maybe it was a one-off…

Restart computer and wait. Click BENCHMARK
Computer clicks off. OK, thus ends my short-lived career as a BitCoin miner.

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:09:24pm

re: #184 goddamnedfrank

Gang, gang!

So this is now my superhero fanfic focus. Gracias Frank!

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EPR-radar  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:29:39pm

re: #186 JordanRules

Gang, gang!

So this is now my superhero fanfic focus. Gracias Frank!

Action like this may be surprisingly effective. Pettiness is the form of human communication Trump is most fluent in, so the pettier the insult the better for getting under his skin. Giving Trump debilitating psychosomatic conditions via vicious and relentless mockery has to be viewed as an act of selfless public service.

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:34:01pm

re: #187 EPR-radar
Agreed!
I absolutely love it and hope his Kelly-enabled wall can’t shield him from everything.

Hell, I want someone to crash to Fox& Friends set with some weapons grade petty.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 4, 2017 • 12:33:16am

re: #182 Dave In Austin

I’d have to go with Kevin Spacey.

He probably won’t even get hired to do commercials for Life Alert.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 4, 2017 • 12:35:11am

Isn’t this the day set for the Antifa apocalypse, when their militarized hordes take to the streets to behead parents and small business owners? I saw it on Fox so it has to be true. Better get my grocery shopping done early. I have not seen any crazed hordes lurking around Mineral Wells but there are bound to be plenty of them in DFW proper.
msn.com

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JordanRules  Nov 4, 2017 • 12:40:51am

re: #190 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Protect ya neck fam.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2017 • 1:07:34am

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

The. Air. Is. Too. Clean.

The air is too clean.

The air, is too clean.

Dirty air is a sign of more jobs.

I remember seeing an old German social studies textbook from the 60’s. The cover showed a factory with smokestacks and you could see that someone had airbrushed in smoke coming from the chimneys…

I love the smell of industrial pollutants in the morning…it smells like FULL EMPLOYMENT

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teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2017 • 1:14:59am
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Nyet  Nov 4, 2017 • 1:16:45am

Meanwhile our little Nazi sympathizer ex-Lizard retweets a Holocaust denier again.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 4, 2017 • 1:44:08am

re: #194 Nyet

Meanwhile our little Nazi sympathizer ex-Lizard retweets a Holocaust denier again.

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Poor persecuted white supremacists.

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teleskiguy  Nov 4, 2017 • 1:49:43am
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Dave In Austin  Nov 4, 2017 • 2:46:06am

Does this mean anything to anybody?

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Nyet  Nov 4, 2017 • 4:23:47am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 4, 2017 • 4:34:44am

re: #198 Nyet

Too much $$$ at stake. I’d imagine those two assclowns are revenue generators.

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I cannot.  Nov 4, 2017 • 4:41:00am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 4, 2017 • 4:41:32am

Absolutely disgusting.

Edison, New Jersey, residents Jerry Shi and Falguni Patel were shocked when, after deciding to run for seats on their local school board, fliers with the words “DEPORT” stamped over their faces appeared in mailboxes around town days before the election.
Shi, who is Chinese-American and Patel, who is Indian-American, are not the only minorities running for a seat on the school board. Out of nine candidates, one is Latin-American and three are Indian-American, according to Republican mayoral candidate Keith Hahn.

edition.cnn.com

Trump has empowered and emboldened these assholes everywhere. It’s gonna be a long hard slog pushing these fuckwits back under the rocks they crawled out from.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 4, 2017 • 4:44:19am

Looks like a strong earthquake has rocked the area around the Samoan Islands. 6.9 on the moment magnitude scale.

independent.co.uk

earthquake.usgs.gov

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Nyet  Nov 4, 2017 • 4:45:53am

re: #199 Dr Lizardo

Too much $$$ at stake. I’d imagine those two assclowns are revenue generators.

Indeed.

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jeffreyw  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:03:11am

Imgur


Good morning!

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:05:00am
A cultural homage (kind of)! Ivanka Trump dons a $2,000 Italian faux kimono - and models a new wavy hairdo - as she enjoys dinner with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe

Read more: dailymail.co.uk
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

OK…..why the hell is she there on this trip? And eating dinner with Abe? Imagine the earth shattering outrage if Chelsea Clinton had done this?

And an Italian kimono?! LOL.

Good morning Lizards.

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BigPapa  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:09:14am

re: #205 b.d. (bill d.)

And an Italian kimono?! LOL.

Tempura on pizza?

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BigPapa  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:11:39am

Now that we’ve foodied up this thread, a new perspective of pineapple on pizza:

Scorpion Pizza
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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:22:56am

re: #207 BigPapa

Now that we’ve foodied up this thread, a new perspective of pineapple on pizza:

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If scorpions keep folks from putting pineapple on pizza then that’s a price I am willing to pay.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:26:16am

What time are the ANTIFA supposed to be starting cutting heads off today?

I want to plan my day.

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Nyet  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:27:21am

re: #206 BigPapa

Tempura on pizza?

Strawberry on pizza.

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Nyet  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:27:53am

re: #209 b.d. (bill d.)

What time are the ANTIFA supposed to be starting cutting heads off today?

I want to plan my day.

The Day of the Saw.

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Teukka  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:29:23am

re: #211 Nyet

The Day of the Saw.

Hey, I was told there would be guillotines!

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:31:10am

re: #211 Nyet

The Day of the Saw.

I hope they know to already have extra batteries on the chargers, saws drain those things bad.

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BigPapa  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:31:35am

re: #210 Nyet

Strawberry on pizza.

(throws half empty bottle of warm Zima)

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I cannot.  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:31:59am

re: #212 Teukka

Yeah, gonna have to improvise. Obama had thousands of them in storage, and then Trump sold them all.

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Nyet  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:32:02am

re: #212 Teukka

Hey, I was told there would be guillotines!

We’re on a budget here.

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Nyet  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:33:07am

re: #213 b.d. (bill d.)

I hope they know to already have extra batteries on the chargers, saws drain those things bad.

nononono

Only fish saws.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:34:46am

re: #212 Teukka

Hey, I was told there would be guillotines!

Not very efficient for door to door pillaging.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:35:01am

Awoke to the rumble of tumbrels, but it was only the recycling truck.

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BigPapa  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:35:37am

I want a SJW Sargent job at one of the PC Re-Education Workshops.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:38:34am

At this point if I were in The White House Press Corps I would change my approach and start asking questions like.

“Jim Hoft has a story out about mass ANTIFA beheadings happening Saturday, can you tell us what steps you have taken to stop this?”

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:46:00am
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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:47:52am

Sh*t is getting real

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BigPapa  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:51:51am

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the tweets of social justice warriors and idiots

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:53:50am

I think the antifa should join Jimmy Carter on Habitat For Humanity project somewhere. That would really show the Man!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:56:13am

re: #212 Teukka

Hey, I was told there would be guillotines!

No, a curved Damascus steel blade…

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I cannot.  Nov 4, 2017 • 5:56:33am

re: #223 b.d. (bill d.)

That one is VERY shocking.

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2017 • 6:31:13am

We’ve spoken about this here before, but it bears repeating:

Reuters writer Valerie Volcovici spoke with “more than a dozen former and prospective coal workers, career counselors and local economic development officials.” She found that in parts of Pennsylvania, delusional optimism about a coal comeback, fed by Trump’s continuing insistence that he will jumpstart the industry, is helping keep out-of-work miners from learning new skills that might help them escape the dying industry. Volcovici spoke with a southern Pennsylvania miner’s son named Mike Sylvester who visited a career training center offering courses in “everything from computer programming to nursing.” Eschewing the chance to learn a potentially lucrative new skill, Sylvester signed up for a coal mining course.

“I think there is a coal comeback,” Sylvester told Volcovici.

Two brothers, Steve and Sean Moodie, echoed the same misplaced faith. “I am optimistic that you can make a good career out of coal for the next 50 years,” Sean told Volcovici.

And in less than 5 years, you morons are gonna be sitting on your asses, drawing welfare checks as you bitch about how them “libruls” chased away all the coal jobs and you ain’t got no money because all the “good jobs” got taken by “illegals.” In other words, another generation of faithful Republican voters.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 4, 2017 • 6:33:40am

re: #228 Targetpractice

Yes. That is how it is done. :(

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2017 • 6:36:37am

re: #228 Targetpractice

And in less than 5 years, you morons are gonna be sitting on your asses, drawing welfare checks as you bitch about how them “libruls” chased away all the coal jobs and you ain’t got no money because all the “good jobs” got taken by “illegals.” In other words, another generation of faithful Republican voters.

They have been sold on the story that all we need to do is get rid of pesky unions and meddlesome government health, safety and environmental legislation, and we will return to those golden days when men with little education or training could pull down $50-80K per year digging coal…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 4, 2017 • 6:36:59am

re: #228 Targetpractice

We’ve spoken about this here before, but it bears repeating:

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And in less than 5 years, you morons are gonna be sitting on your asses, drawing welfare checks as you bitch about how them “libruls” chased away all the coal jobs and you ain’t got no money because all the “good jobs” got taken by “illegals.” In other words, another generation of faithful Republican voters.

This is why I left Pennsyltucky 35 years ago and I never regretted it.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 4, 2017 • 6:38:17am

re: #231 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yes. I agree.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2017 • 6:40:49am

JFC

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2017 • 6:41:17am

re: #230 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They have been sold on the story that all we need to do is get rid of pesky unions and meddlesome government health, safety and environmental legislation, and we will return to those golden days when men with little education or training could pull down $50-80K per year digging coal…

Yep, their daddies tell them stories about how they used to be able to pull down paychecks big enough to pay for a good-sized house, send the kids to school, and even buy a new-ish car every few years. But then the government came in with “safety inspectors” and “health regulations” and the jobs started disappearing. Plus unions chased off the jobs…other unions, of course, not the local union because we’re on good terms with management and all. No, it was those other unions, the belly-achers who wanted high pay for no work, they’re the ones who made all the jobs go away.

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2017 • 6:46:37am

By the way, have I mentioned half my family is from the backwoods of Kentucky?

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 4, 2017 • 6:47:56am

re: #235 Targetpractice

So you know from family how it really works. Some folks still believe that snake oil salesman.

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2017 • 6:49:44am

re: #236 PhillyPretzel

So you know from family how it really works. Some folks still believe that snake oil salesman.

Oh yeah, haven’t been back home in the past year, but I’m sure that most if not all of them pulled the lever for Trump. Even though there’s not a coal miner among them, there’s plenty of them that worked in factories or on construction sites who’d be readily conned into believing that Trump’s gonna just sweep America back to “the good ol’ days.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2017 • 6:52:37am

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

Would very much appreciate Saudi Arabia doing their IPO of Aramco with the New York Stock Exchange. the President releasing his tax returns. Important to the United States!

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William Lewis  Nov 4, 2017 • 6:53:11am

re: #190 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Isn’t this the day set for the Antifa apocalypse (snip)

It might well be. Don’t know. Don’t really care. But the date? Ah, that’s different…

I did remember when I woke up this morning that my first real girlfriend/lover is celebrating her birthday today. Last I heard she was the mother of two in Tennessee and teaching. No matter, Happy birthday Holly, where ever you are.

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William Lewis  Nov 4, 2017 • 6:56:42am

re: #194 Nyet

Meanwhile our little Nazi sympathizer ex-Lizard retweets a Holocaust denier again.

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Go ahead. Write about that being ok. And when I see it? I’ll write that killing Nazi’s is an American Citizen’s obligation. A duty. An honor.

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William Lewis  Nov 4, 2017 • 6:58:04am

re: #199 Dr Lizardo

Too much $$$ at stake. I’d imagine those two assclowns are revenue generators.

What I’ve been saying for a long time. It’s still not a popular assertion but Twitter can not be saved and decent people need to walk away from it permanently.

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No Depression  Nov 4, 2017 • 7:09:37am

BREAKING: ANTIFA SUPERSOLDIERS RELEASE GRAPHIC PROPAGANDA REEL

NO MORE NAZIS [New Gameplay Trailer] – Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2017 • 7:17:53am

re: #242 No Depression

BREAKING: ANTIFA SUPERSOLDIERS RELEASE GRAPHIC PROPAGANDA REEL

proof of their intolerance and hate for free speech

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2017 • 7:20:51am

re: #184 goddamnedfrank

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2017 • 7:23:16am

lolwut???

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2017 • 7:24:40am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2017 • 7:27:20am

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Very frustrated” that he can’t control Justice and FBI, Trump becomes their biggest critic.

Sounds like somebody did not read the job description before applying…

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2017 • 7:30:38am

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Figures, another “law & order” politician who really just wants to use law enforcement as his personal thugs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2017 • 7:30:41am
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jaunte  Nov 4, 2017 • 7:31:40am

Not much chance this corrupt Administration will do anything about this particular vulnerability.

“…as one lawyer specializing in shell companies wrote in 2017, “It’s not entirely beyond the realms of possibility that ISIS could be operating companies and trust funds domiciled in Delaware.”

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 4, 2017 • 7:32:35am

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone should tell him the caveman mentality is passe.

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2017 • 7:33:20am

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well, we knew it was only a matter of time before the “Onward, Christian Soldiers” crowd started trying to spin their efforts to kill any form of birth control as based upon “economics.”

I’ll believe that shit when they support pre-natal care, greater access to welfare programs, childcare and preschool programs, and plow more into education than they do into corporate kick-backs.

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2017 • 7:36:37am

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

Clearly he thinks his personal economy would be improved by lots of desperate poor people willing to work for slave wages.

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2017 • 7:40:20am

Scott Allen is part of the crowd who are realizing that their own ideology is at odds with itself, that the whole “RUN THE ILLEGALS OUT ON A RAIL!” bit doesn’t work if you want to have a functioning economy built upon something other than lots of mindless drones bonded into wage slavery. There’s just not enough dumb white folks in the job force anymore to keep America running on all cylinders without either raising wages or providing the sort of benefits that make low wages viable.

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BeachDem  Nov 4, 2017 • 7:51:30am

re: #205 b.d. (bill d.)

OK…..why the hell is she there on this trip? And eating dinner with Abe? Imagine the earth shattering outrage if Chelsea Clinton had done this?

And an Italian kimono?! LOL.

Good morning Lizards.

Didn’t think anything was more more hideous than the orange-y thing she wore yesterday, but this shmata takes ugly to a whole new level.

And if that’s a kimono, I’m Miss America.

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2017 • 7:53:50am
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Nyet  Nov 4, 2017 • 7:54:12am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 4, 2017 • 7:54:50am

re: #236 PhillyPretzel

So you know from family how it really works. Some folks still believe that snake oil salesman.

Yes and some of them have been dumbed down so much by the RepubliKKKlan 24/7 Bullshit Machine and their Pulpit Pimping Preachers to actually believe that 11/4 bullshit today. But they don’t worry cause Jay-Zuss gonna rapture them into Hay-Venn in a couple weeks!

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wheat-dogg  Nov 4, 2017 • 8:03:28am

re: #256 jaunte

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Yup. Xi Jinping will play Donnie like a fiddle (or an erhu, as the case maybe), taking advantage of every mistake Trump makes.

China has already made inroads in several African states, and the last I heard, was courting business partners in Central and South America. Meanwhile, it’s spreading its political and economic influence (aka control) into Central Asia, Southeast Asia and Pakistan, intending to outflank India and Russia.

This is a really bad time to have a know-nothing, isolationist boob as president and a stripped-down to the drywall State Department.

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A Cranky One  Nov 4, 2017 • 8:07:46am

So, have to work this weekend, starting with running a large meeting with vendors at 8 a.m.. Not the best way to start a Saturday.

Even worse, this will prevent all the beheadings I’m supposed to be doing today.

Getting ahead is hard these days.

/∞

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 4, 2017 • 8:16:35am

re: #259 wheat-dogg

Yup. Xi Jinping will play Donnie like a fiddle (or an erhu, as the case maybe), taking advantage of every mistake Trump makes.

China has already made inroads in several African states, and the last I heard, was courting business partners in Central and South America. Meanwhile, it’s spreading its political and economic influence (aka control) into Central Asia, Southeast Asia and Pakistan, intending to outflank India and Russia.

This is a really bad time to have a know-nothing, isolationist boob as president and a stripped-down to the drywall State Department.

We can rest assured that the Tangsnorter will once again make a complete asshole of himself and alienate a whole bunch of our soon-to-be-former allies. Meanwhile my friends in Europe are sending me links to articles where there is now serious discussion about junking the dollar as the world reserve currency (as I predicted). It won’t be long after that when foreigners refuse to buy and then dump Treasury certificates.

Meanwhile on the domestic scene, we see Corporate Shill Suze Orman now reciting the latest Frank Luntz talking point that people have to work until 70. Obviously this is laying the groundwork for RepubliKKKlans to jack up the Social Security and Medicare eligibility age to 70. And you see old Corporate Dems like Rendell who see nothing wrong with pushing Medicare to 67.

cnbc.com

But don’t worry folks! You still got Jay-Zusssssssss!

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2017 • 8:23:07am
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JordanRules  Nov 4, 2017 • 8:31:54am
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jaunte  Nov 4, 2017 • 8:38:32am

Our mob boss president.

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2017 • 8:44:46am
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ObserverArt  Nov 4, 2017 • 8:45:16am

re: #247 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sounds like somebody did not read the job description before applying…

He tried, but gave up when the words got too big and they didn’t mean anything.

I think it is time to make him familiar with the idea behind separation of powers in the Federal Government. It is time to separate Donald J. Trump from his office and kick his fat orange butt out of Washington.

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Targetpractice  Nov 4, 2017 • 8:46:35am

re: #266 jaunte

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Don’t throw me in that there briar patch…

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Dave In Austin  Nov 4, 2017 • 8:47:32am

re: #266 jaunte

Big Sign…. “GO HERE”…..

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meteor  Nov 4, 2017 • 8:52:36am

re: #257 Nyet

Reported. What a nutcase.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 4, 2017 • 8:55:19am

re: #266 jaunte

If Trump’s attorney is threatening Mueller with a lawsuit then Mueller is on the right track.

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2017 • 8:58:10am

Insider trading, right in your face.

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retired cynic  Nov 4, 2017 • 8:58:31am

Martin Longman had a good one out yesterday evening on how George Papadopoulos was “recruited” by the Russians, and more about “The Professor” Joseph Mifsud who knows absolutely nothing, nothing. As he says, it would make a dandy spy novel.

On August 15th, Papadopolous received approval from Sam Clovis to take an off the record trip, but these plans were disrupted. The day prior, the New York Times reported $12.7 million in cash had been earmarked in a Ukrainian dossier for Paul Manafort by the Russia-aligned Party of Regions. By August 19th, Paul Manafort had been forced out of the campaign. As a result, it seems like any further plans to have off the record meetings were postponed or terminated.

There’s obviously much more to discuss here, including the ramifications for the Trump presidency. Papadopolous’s activities were communicated—and in many cases approved—by the Trump campaign. Trump was directly briefed on some of them during a March 31st meeting at the Trump Hotel in Washington, D.C. Jeff Sessions clearly perjured himself by not admitting his knowledge of what Papadopolous had been doing.

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ObserverArt  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:06:05am

re: #273 retired cynic

Martin Longman had a good one out yesterday evening on how George Papadopoulos was “recruited” by the Russians, and more about “The Professor” Joseph Mifsud who knows absolutely nothing, nothing. As he says, it would make a dandy spy novel.

I was wondering if he was recruited or was he a plant? Maybe a bit of both. They recruited him, trained him, set him up with a history as an energy consultant and then slid him into the campaign through people like Flynn and Manafort.

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Interesting Times  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:08:14am

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

From the author of The Handmaid’s Tale:

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retired cynic  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:09:51am

re: #275 Interesting Times

From the author of The Handmaid’s Tale:

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Only as long as “those people” don’t get the same benefits.

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I cannot.  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:09:52am

So, watching World of Warcrack stuff…argh.

They’ve spent YEARS coming up with ever stupider reasons for us to fight each other. They finally get us united against a common, and overpowering enemy.

First expansion after we fight off that enemy? Back to killing each other…while the planet we live on that is also the “egg” of a godlike being is hatching or dying…or both, with us living on it, and yet another common and overpowering enemy closes in on us.

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meteor  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:10:13am

Watching Newcastle vs. Bournemouth. Still no score in the second half.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:12:20am

re: #257 Nyet

I understand that it is of some political import whether the Soviets or the Nazis killed the Polish officers at Katyn, but in the end, it is as if two crackheads had broken into a house and murdered the family, and now they are arguing over which one of them strangled grandma with the lamp cable…

Or do we have denialists saying those Polish officers all committed suicide?

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CongoJack  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:14:30am

re: #277 I cannot.

So, watching World of Warcrack stuff…argh.

They’ve spent YEARS coming up with ever stupider reasons for us to fight each other. They finally get us united against a common, and overpowering enemy.

First expansion after we fight off that enemy? Back to killing each other…while the planet we live on that is also the “egg” of a godlike being is hatching or dying…or both, with us living on it, and yet another common and overpowering enemy closes in on us.

Quit playing after Draenor. Reasons: 1) the game mechanics sucked after Legion was released; 2) started dating my wife at the time and thought my WoW addiction would get in the way of love 3) I like PVP and at times you could not win no matter how well you played 4) PVE took too long - I dont have 3-4 hours to sit in one sitting anymore

I still have my account (just not paid for but the characters are still there). The only reason I’ll go back is if I get a divorce - which is not likely :P.

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retired cynic  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:16:36am

Rude Pundit is not shy about his opinion of the Brazile/DNC mess. Saw that “el jefe” had posted another let’s attack Hillary screed on Juanita Jean, and the taste in my mouth was just awful. Must have thrown up in there. Rude Pundit sure offered some mouthwash.

Hillary Clinton didn’t rig anything. Even Donna Brazile said that today. She didn’t hack the vote during the primaries. She didn’t deliberately lose caucuses. What she did do was play politics, a filthy and dishonorable game. What she did do was expect the party that she had raised vast amounts of money for (for state and local races and party groups) to back her over the guy who all of a sudden decided he wanted to play and demanded that he be treated equal to the woman who spent her life working for the party.

You don’t like the fuckin’ rules? Then go to your local party headquarters. Volunteer. Answer phones. Work your way up the local hierarchy. Show you have more interest in the party than just every four years.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:27:10am

re: #281 retired cynic

Rude Pundit is not shy about his opinion of the Brazile/DNC mess. Saw that “el jefe” had posted another let’s attack Hillary screed on Juanita Jean, and the taste in my mouth was just awful. Must have thrown up in there. Rude Pundit sure offered some mouthwash.

The damage has been done. Shittler went into overdrive with its Hillary hate and the Presstitutes pounced on yet another bullshit attack.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:30:46am

I think I might actually pick up the Bushes new book.

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Nyet  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:35:13am

re: #279 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I understand that it is of some political import whether the Soviets or the Nazis killed the Polish officers at Katyn, but in the end, it is as if two crackheads had broken into a house and murdered the family, and now they are arguing over which one of them strangled grandma with the lamp cable…

Or do we have denialists saying those Polish officers all committed suicide?

Deniers deny that the Soviets did it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:42:21am
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ObserverArt  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:42:49am

re: #283 Eclectic Cyborg

I think I might actually pick up the Bushes new book.

I saw this article linked elsewhere, I don’t make a habit of going to Fox News. Grandpa Bush admitted he voted for Hillary and hates on Trump. Pardon if already posted…haven’t been through the whole thread.

Fox News - George H.W. Bush calls Trump a ‘blowhard’ in new book: ‘I don’t like him’

Former President George H.W. Bush says he is not too excited about “blowhard” President Trump and confirmed in a new book that he voted for Hillary Clinton.

“I don’t like him,” Bush, 93, says in the book, according to a review by The New York Times. “I don’t know much about him, but I know he’s a blowhard. And I’m not too excited about him being a leader.”

In the book, titled “The Last Republicans,” the 41st president also revealed that he voted for Trump’s Democrat rival Clinton in the 2016 White House race.

The new book, by author Mark K. Undegrove, consists mostly of interviews looking back at the Republican Party over the past few decades and explores the connection between the elder Bush and his son, former President George W. Bush.

The younger Bush told Undegrove that he voted for “none of the above.”

The father and son each raise concerns that Trump has essentially blown up the GOP to the extent that the New York businessman and first-time politician could be the party’s last president for a long while, according to The Times review.

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Brian J.  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:42:59am

re: #281 retired cynic

Rude Pundit is not shy about his opinion of the Brazile/DNC mess. Saw that “el jefe” had posted another let’s attack Hillary screed on Juanita Jean, and the taste in my mouth was just awful. Must have thrown up in there. Rude Pundit sure offered some mouthwash.

It’ll never happen. The online left are dilettantes, and after a dozen years still have never figured out how the Democratic Party or American politics works. The next batch of Democratic presidential candidates should make it clear that like Sista Souljah, they are not welcome in their campaigns.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:45:14am

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Nyet  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:47:15am
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ObserverArt  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:49:04am

re: #289 Nyet

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More people for the state.

More grist for the mill.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:49:28am

re: #289 Nyet

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Yep…..Stalin was very socially conservative.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:50:07am

re: #290 ObserverArt

More people for the state.

More grist for the mill.

And more soldiers to die for Wall Street.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:50:29am
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ObserverArt  Nov 4, 2017 • 9:52:40am

re: #292 Joe Bacon 🌹

And more soldiers to die for Wall Street.

Someone needs to protect the people with bone spurs and money…and other ailments.

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:01:02am

re: #291 Dr Lizardo

Yep…..Stalin was very socially conservative.

Let’s see…
he sent critics to the gulags and political opponents to the firing squad,
he starved millions of peasant “kulaks” to death, he had a secret police that terrorized his citizens, and he ruled ruthlessly with an iron fist.

Stalin would be at home with the modern Republican Party.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:01:20am

re: #284 Nyet

I am not too familiar with Soviet history but I just read up on the Katyn thing. This guy Beria seems like he was a really sick fuck.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:02:20am

re: #296 Eclectic Cyborg

I am not too familiar with Soviet history but I just read up on the Katyn thing. This guy Beria seems like he was a really sick fuck.

Indeed he was. By all accounts, a notorious sexual predator and quite possibly, a serial killer as well.

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Nyet  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:04:13am

re: #293 Dr. Matt

> Now we have the worst regime in world history

Ehm.

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:05:48am

re: #297 Dr Lizardo

Indeed he was. By all accounts, a notorious sexual predator and quite possibly, a serial killer as well.

When you’re head of the NKVD (The Soviet Secret Police), serial killer is an understatement. Like Stalin, Beria would fit in today’s GOP.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:06:17am

re: #296 Eclectic Cyborg

I am not too familiar with Soviet history but I just read up on the Katyn thing. This guy Beria seems like he was a really sick fuck.

If Beria was a Republican, Fox News would have endlessly kissed his ass!

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meteor  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:07:15am

Bournemouth won 1-0.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:09:15am

re: #299 DodgerFan1988

When you’re head of the NKVD (The Soviet Secret Police), serial killer is an understatement. Like Stalin, Beria would fit in today’s GOP.

Story I’ve heard is that Beria was like the USSR’s Ted Bundy.

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William Lewis  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:12:25am

re: #301 meteor

Bournemouth won 1-0.

Ah, there’s a good score. Now for tomorrows match to end Arsenal 1 ManCity 0 as well :) A Crystal Palace win would be nice too.

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meteor  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:17:11am

re: #303 William Lewis

Yeah, poor Palace. Having a rough year.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:19:18am

re: #289 Nyet

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Yep.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:19:56am

Gosh! Looking all over for those Antifa killers and all I see are folks in long lines at the Apple Stores!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:20:13am

Hey guys though. Checking in from canvassing. Our state’s First Lady and state AG was at the staging location and a HoD candidate.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:22:21am

re: #302 Dr Lizardo

Story I’ve heard is that Beria was like the USSR’s Ted Bundy.

Terrible guy. Perhaps one of the worst people in Stalin’s regime.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:22:31am

re: #306 Joe Bacon 🌹

Gosh! Looking all over for those Antifa killers and all I see are folks in long lines at the Apple Stores!

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Nyet  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:24:26am

re: #308 HappyWarrior

Terrible guy. Perhaps one of the worst people in Stalin’s regime.

Not as bad as Yezhov.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:24:57am

re: #310 Nyet

Not as bad as Yezhov.

Need to read up on Yezhov.

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makeitstop  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:25:46am

re: #306 Joe Bacon 🌹

Gosh! Looking all over for those Antifa killers and all I see are folks in long lines at the Apple Stores!

The new iPhone has the app revealing where all the white parents and small businesses are.
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DodgerFan1988  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:30:55am

re: #310 Nyet

Not as bad as Yezhov.

If Yezhov was here in this century Trump would make him head of Homeland Security, and “purge” America of it’s “enemies of the state.”

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Varek Raith  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:31:01am

Well, I can safely say the last ten days were the worst in my life.
Started out as a sinus infection. Then spread to my throat (Pharyngitis), then spread to my left jaw joint (Somelongmedicalwordhere). Pain was unreal.
I’m better now.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:31:27am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

Hey guys though. Checking in from canvassing. Our state’s First Lady and state AG was at the staging location and a HoD candidate.

Happy, just sent some more $$$$. Hope it helps turnout!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:32:42am

re: #315 Joe Bacon 🌹

Happy, just sent some more $$$$. Hope it helps turnout!

Every bit helps.Thx

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:33:12am

re: #314 Varek Raith

Well, I can safely say the last ten days were the worst in my life.
Started out as a sinus infection. Then spread to my throat (Pharyngitis), then spread to my left jaw joint (Somelongmedicalwordhere). Pain was unreal.
I’m better now.

Ouch. That sounds exactly like what I had a couple of weeks back.

I was living on soup for about five days.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:34:02am

re: #314 Varek Raith

I am glad to hear that you feel better. I also sympathize I have a mild cold with seasonal allergies. Thank G-d for Benadryl.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:34:31am

re: #306 Joe Bacon 🌹

Gosh! Looking all over for those Antifa killers and all I see are folks in long lines at the Apple Stores!

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William Lewis  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:35:27am

re: #310 Nyet

Not as bad as Yezhov.

Really? Not doubting you but I don’t know enough. All I know of either, really, is what little is in Wiki. Is there something good in English that would show why Yezhov was worse than Beria?

(I have to run now but I’ll look for any ideas from you later. Thanks!)

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Kilroy was here  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:36:43am
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Dave In Austin  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:37:12am

#Pantyfa

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:47:17am

re: #289 Nyet

WOW. WI Rep. Scott Allen thinks women should be forced to procreate for the sake of the labor market.

scratch the surface of social conservatism and you see the viewpoint that women are chattel, their “honor” and “integrity” are important only insofar as they affect their market value…

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:47:30am

I knew there would be an Emoluments issue on this trip.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:48:09am

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

According to conservative media, today is the big ANTIFA revolution where the commies kill us all.

So far, kinda disappointing.

antifas were scared off by the high level of preparedness generated by the RW media campaign…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:48:32am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

Need to read up on Yezhov.

He makes Beria look like a good guy in comparison

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:49:04am

Oh, shit! AntiFa has called in reinforcements! Exclusive video here!!

Mars Attacks [1996] Main Titles Blu-Ray

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:50:56am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:57:10am

re: #324 jaunte

I knew there would be an Emoluments issue on this trip.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 4, 2017 • 10:58:35am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:00:28am
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meteor  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:01:27am

re: #314 Varek Raith

Yipes. Hug.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:02:38am

I just posted my semi-annual time message. So tonight please remember to turn your clocks back one hour.
littlegreenfootballs.com

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Charmingly Persistent (EmmaAnne)  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:10:50am

I am surprised how FURIOUS I am about this DNC bullshit. It’s a relatively minor story that few outside of us wonks will care about. It won’t tarnish HIllary’s reputation since it only confirms what people who would be swayed by it already thought. But it just infuriates me that a piece of blatant dishonesty about HIllary is immediately swallowed whole by the MSM and no amount of fact checking will make the slightest difference. I think it is like an allegic reaction. Every time it happens from here on out I will get madder until I choke.

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:11:30am

re: #335 Charmingly Persistent (EmmaAnne)

Agreed, but please don’t choke.

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wrenchwench  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:11:55am

For BWS:

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:13:16am

re: #331 goddamnedfrank

Wait, wait, wait…
If “BERNIE WOULD HAVE WON!” why think of Biden as a replacement??

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rhuarc  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:15:56am

OMG. BerineBros are the worst! I feel like I’m arguing with a Trump supporter with their level of ignorance and cluelessness. We are truly fucked if those people are our “allies”.

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:17:10am

re: #338 FormerDirtDart

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:17:42am

Why does Brazile think the DNC chair gets to do that?

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:18:07am
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jaunte  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:18:26am

Books to sell.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:21:28am
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:21:56am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:22:23am

re: #337 wrenchwench

That is just too damned cute!

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wrenchwench  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:24:52am

re: #346 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is just too damned cute!

I checked and was surprised to see you weren’t already following that one. (Nobody likes reheated tweets.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:28:38am

re: #347 wrenchwench

I checked and was surprised to see you weren’t already following that one. (Nobody likes reheated tweets.)

I have remedied that oversight.

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mmmirele  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:30:29am

re: #334 PhillyPretzel

I just posted my semi-annual time message. So tonight please remember to turn your clocks back one hour.
littlegreenfootballs.com

Unless you live in Arizona, in which case, you just need to adjust your life by one hour. (Yes, all my fixed meetings shift forward one hour for four months.)

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:30:32am
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:31:58am

OK, as people say…

That shit be cray cray
people still say that, right?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:33:14am
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:33:17am

re: #349 mmmirele

I know Arizona does not have to worry about time changes. There are also a few counties and states who also do not have to worry about it.

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wrenchwench  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:34:46am

re: #349 mmmirele

Unless you live in Arizona, in which case, you just need to adjust your life by one hour. (Yes, all my fixed meetings shift forward one hour for four months.)

I always tease the Arizonans: ‘You think you don’t change, but half the year you’re on California time, and half the year you’re on New Mexico time.’

I can never remember which half is which. Joke’s on me.

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jaunte  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:35:38am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Democrats” so far northeast they’re in St. Petersburg.

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mmmirele  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:38:55am

re: #353 PhillyPretzel

I know Arizona does not have to worry about time changes. There are also a few counties and states who also do not have to worry about it.

My point was that as far as my job is concerned, I do have to worry about time changes. I facilitate a fixed meeting every morning to review technology issues at the evil too big to fail bank, that meeting moves to 9 am. I have a time slot I can work other meetings into—10 am to 2 pm (because we have to take into account our East Coast people, who leave at 5 pm ET). I actually lose an hour to schedule meetings into for four months, which is annoying. But that’s why they pay me the big bucks…who am I kidding? They’re not handing out samples at the evil too big to fail bank.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:41:51am

re: #355 jaunte

“Democrats” so far northeast they’re in St. Petersburg.

LOL

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:43:42am
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ObserverArt  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:45:45am

re: #335 Charmingly Persistent (EmmaAnne)

I am surprised how FURIOUS I am about this DNC bullshit. It’s a relatively minor story that few outside of us wonks will care about. It won’t tarnish HIllary’s reputation since it only confirms what people who would be swayed by it already thought. But it just infuriates me that a piece of blatant dishonesty about HIllary is immediately swallowed whole by the MSM and no amount of fact checking will make the slightest difference. I think it is like an allegic reaction. Every time it happens from here on out I will get madder until I choke.

There’s no choking in baseball politics!

Besides…Donna is accusing the democratic party and its voters of…choking.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 4, 2017 • 11:47:17am

re: #358 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 4, 2017 • 1:26:55pm

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Because the transfer of public resources into private hands is the primary goal of the Republican party.

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Nyet  Nov 4, 2017 • 2:28:04pm

re: #320 William Lewis

Really? Not doubting you but I don’t know enough. All I know of either, really, is what little is in Wiki. Is there something good in English that would show why Yezhov was worse than Beria?

(I have to run now but I’ll look for any ideas from you later. Thanks!)

Many more victims. Great terror and all that.


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