At Least 20 Dead and 30 Injured in Texas Church Shooting

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And again.

At least 20 people were killed and 30 injured in a Texas church shooting Sunday morning, law enforcement sources told ABC News.

The alleged shooter is dead, and it appears there is no longer an active threat at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, about 40 miles southeast of San Antonio, police told ABC News.

And as Republican politicians start doing their usual revolting song and dance, I just have one comment to make.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2017 • 12:46:11pm

From upstairs:

White supremacists are now sharing documents to use and manufacture bombs. And grenades. And mines.

but antifa is the bigger threat to America, right?

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Skip Intro  Nov 5, 2017 • 12:47:32pm

re: #2 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The “antifa” term is unfortunate. It confuses people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2017 • 12:50:00pm

re: #3 Skip Intro

The “antifa” term is unfortunate. It confuses people.

It is a polemic device to conflate anyone who opposes fascism and White Supremacism with a violent, anarchic, anonymous fringe group.

It also goes along well with the “both sides” narrative that has prevailed since Charlottesville.

Any patriotic American should be anti-fascist by default and definition.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 12:53:34pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 5, 2017 • 12:53:42pm

re: #4 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That’s why I like anti-fascist. There’s not doubt where you stand.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 5, 2017 • 12:54:21pm

And now we wait patiently to find out if the murderer is Muslim to see if we get freaked out over 20 people getting killed in cold blood or not.

What a world we live in.

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2017 • 12:55:24pm

re: #5 FormerDirtDart

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“Major political success”? Trump? So far, it seems the only thing he’s succeeding at is improving his golf handicap.

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Citizen K  Nov 5, 2017 • 12:55:45pm

re: #5 FormerDirtDart

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He literally has to keep making everything about him, and solely about him.

But apparently, this is the exact kind of ‘straight shooting’ the GOP loves, not narcissism like Obama saying “I” a few times.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2017 • 12:55:59pm

re: #7 b.d. (bill d.)

And now we wait patiently to find out if the murderer is Muslim or whether he was a mentally disturbed lone wolf who was not at all incited by right-wing rhetoric to see if we get freaked out over 20 people getting killed in cold blood or not.

What a world we live in.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 5, 2017 • 12:57:23pm

You guys all recall the bunch of laws flying through the Federal and State legislatures about bump stocks after Vegas?

Me neither.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2017 • 12:58:08pm

re: #7 b.d. (bill d.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2017 • 12:59:31pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:02:14pm

re: #5 FormerDirtDart

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And then, he said he’d had a lot of successes!
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PhillyPretzel  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:03:22pm

re: #14 Blind Frog Belly White

That one picture is perfect.

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BigPapa  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:06:20pm

Shooter’s skin color is reported as Lone Wolf.

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:07:40pm
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jaunte  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:11:29pm
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:11:32pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

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Dr. Matt  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:13:18pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

For what it’s worth.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:13:26pm
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BigPapa  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:14:30pm

I’m sure I have more sarcastic gems in me, but today is a really heavy day. I refuse to crawl in a corner and suck my thumb. I’d rather crawl into a corner with a nice drink.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:15:21pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:17:09pm

I notice that the “thoughts” part of “thoughts and prayers” has been officially removed from all Republican tweets. Must have tested poorly with focus groups.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:17:36pm

The Gun God that rules over much of America is a blood thirsty god that demands human sacrifice.

I see little to no way this new religion that has taken over a significant plurality here can be diminished without a massive and culture-altering shift to occur.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:17:53pm

re: #24 Skip Intro

I notice that the “thoughts” part of “thoughts and prayers” has been officially removed from all Republican tweets. Must have tested poorly with focus groups.

Noticed that too.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:19:07pm

re: #25 Rocky-in-Connecticut

The Gun God that rules over much of America is a blood thirsty god that demands human sacrifice.

I see little to no way this new religion that has taken over a significant plurality here can be diminished without a massive and culture-altering shift to occur.

I’ve said it before, but they’ve taken to worshipping He Who Walks Behind The Rows.

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Skip Intro  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:19:09pm

So I guess this sends the Wilbur Ross story down to the news morgue. Same with the Saudi plane/helicopter crash.

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freetoken  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:20:21pm

re: #28 Skip Intro

So I guess this sends the Wilbur Ross story down to the news morgue. Same with the Saudi plane/helicopter crash.

And the Saudi media owner thing, and the ….

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:20:42pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:21:19pm

re: #29 freetoken

And the Saudi media owner thing, and the ….

Trump is either the luckiest man in the world or ….?

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ObserverArt  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:21:38pm

re: #24 Skip Intro

I notice that the “thoughts” part of “thoughts and prayers” has been officially removed from all Republican tweets. Must have tested poorly with focus groups.

Thoughts sounds too humanist/atheist. The GOP God Botherers™ got to the people that send out the talking points.

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Mattand  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:22:02pm

I’m trying my damnedest to not go on Facebook and point out that the all-powerful Christian god Americans worship sat by with a thumb up his ass, and let his devoted followers get slaughtered.

God: created the universe in seven days but is easily outmatched by a psycho with a gun.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:23:37pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

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Assholes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:23:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:24:21pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

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How legislators should react.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:24:30pm

Next they’ll be saying it’s a “miracle” that some people were only critically wounded instead of killed.

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allegro  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:25:48pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Next they’ll be saying it’s a “miracle” that some people were only critically wounded instead of killed.

As it never occurs to them to thank the first responders, surgeons, and medical staff who saved their asses.

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:25:58pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Next they’ll be saying it’s a “miracle” that some people were only critically wounded instead of killed.

None of the Bibles were injured in the making of this massacre.

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austin_blue  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:26:04pm

San Antonio Express says at least twenty eight dead:

mysanantonio.com

Shooter is also dead.

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:26:06pm

Thoughts and prayers: For when you want to seem like you’re doing something, but the tens of millions in NRA money in your pocket is weighing you down.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:26:18pm

welp…

FRANKFORT

Jeff Hoover resigned his post as speaker of the Kentucky House of Representatives Sunday, a day after defiantly rejecting calls to step down by Gov. Matt Bevin and others who said they were disgusted by allegations of sexual harassment against Hoover and three other GOP lawmakers.

A tearful Hoover acknowledged that he had “engaged in inappropriate text messages” and asked the people of Kentucky “to forgive me for my actions.”

Hoover was elected in January as the first Republican House speaker since 1921.

A Jamestown attorney who has been in the House since 1997, Hoover said he never engaged in “unwelcome or unwanted conduct” and “at no time were there ever any sexual relations of any kind.”

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Dr. Matt  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:26:48pm

Now over the next week we’re going to get to hear how great Texas is and better than everyone else and how they pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:27:13pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Next they’ll be saying it’s a “miracle” that some people were only critically wounded instead of killed.

and as for the ones who died: god needed them in heaven…

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Skip Intro  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:28:03pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

To work on Trump’s 2020 campaign, no doubt.

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Mattand  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:28:47pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Next they’ll be saying it’s a “miracle” that some people were only critically wounded instead of killed.

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

and as for the ones who died: god needed them in heaven…

My SIL is big on that stuff. I’m going to have a hard time walking away on that.

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Nyet  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:29:06pm

re: #4 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I’ve changed my twitter profile to:

Against Holocaust denial & all crankery, CTs. Godless evolutionist. Liberal (which entails: antifascist).

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:33:14pm

re: #18 jaunte

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That so sucks

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:36:38pm

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Dr. Matt  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:37:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:38:02pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:38:16pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What, no thoughts and prayers? Senator Franken, I am disappoint.//////

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blueraven  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:38:36pm

America has a gun problem. Period. How hard is that to recognize?

Thoughts and prayers are fine, but useless unless backed up with action, to at least try, to prevent more shootings.

NRA influence in American politics is pure insanity.

Doesn’t matter if it is a Right Winger, a radical political/religious terrorist, a crazy person who snapped, a domestic situation…the results are the same. Innocent people are dead.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:38:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:43:05pm
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:46:07pm

Time to call it a day. Good night, Lizards.

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BigPapa  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:54:59pm

Retweeted by Cernovich

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:55:41pm
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BigPapa  Nov 5, 2017 • 1:55:42pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:00:36pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart

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OFFS, these fuckers didn’t wait even 6 hours to politicize the deaths of 9 due to a truck because the driver was a brown guy who screamed “Allah Ackbar,” BUT a white guy is implicated in a shooting and it’s “Don’t politicize this!”

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:00:37pm

Charles,

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:00:44pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:02:33pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

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VINCE FOSTER! Everybody DRINK!!!

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:04:56pm

re: #17 jaunte

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They deserve better and should vote better. Stop voting for Republicans who you already know will do absolutely nothing except ask for thoughts and prayers.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:11:13pm

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:11:27pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

Thoughts and prayers: For when you want to seem like you’re doing something, but the tens of millions in NRA money in your pocket is weighing you down.

And nothing changes as we wait for the next shooting.

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Interesting Times  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:11:51pm

re: #60 Targetpractice

OFFS, these fuckers didn’t wait even 6 hours to politicize the deaths of 9 due to a truck because the driver was a brown guy who screamed “Allah Ackbar,” BUT a white guy is implicated in a shooting and it’s “Don’t politicize this!”

The other difference worth noting? When sane people “politicize” a mass shooting, they ask for bans and/or restrictions on the ability to buy weapons.

Ammosexuals/GOPers ask for bans and restrictions on entire groups of human beings.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:13:25pm

re: #21 FormerDirtDart

That means we’re averaging about 1 mass shooting EVERY SINGLE DAY.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:14:47pm
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Belafon  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:15:09pm

Number of mass casualty events (4 or more people) involving cars this year: 1 that I know of.
Number of events involving guns: 307.

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:16:42pm

re: #71 Belafon

Number of mass casualty events (4 or more people) involving cars this year: 1 that I know of.
Number of events involving guns: 307.

But if you suggest that restrictions be placed on guns, you’ll get babbling about how killers will just start using cars or their feet to kill mass numbers of people instead.

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blueraven  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:17:01pm

Oh good Lord, someone speaking on Fox is now advocating for armed churches.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:18:37pm

re: #73 blueraven

Oh good Lord, someone speaking on Fox is now advocating for armed churches.

AFAIK, there’s nothing in the law to prevent carrying a gun in church in Texas.

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:19:14pm

re: #73 blueraven

Oh good Lord, someone speaking on Fox is now advocating for armed churches.

That’s the kneejerk response to shootings: Arm more people. Because the Wal-Mart shooting last week didn’t prove to us that such thinking fails when the cops have to take time making sure every “good guy with a gun” wasn’t the shooter.

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dangerman  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:19:26pm

re: #69 Eclectic Cyborg

That means we’re averaging about 1 mass shooting EVERY SINGLE DAY.

im sorry to say this is not new/news

“it’s too soon” is calculated

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blueraven  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:20:24pm

re: #74 Blind Frog Belly White

AFAIK, there’s nothing in the law to prevent carrying a gun in church in Texas.

Oh, I am quite sure there is not. I think they were talking about professional armed guards.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:21:21pm

re: #73 blueraven

Oh good Lord, someone speaking on Fox is now advocating for armed churches.

Because panicking armed folks shooting at each other in a closed building is a genius idea in Rightwingistan.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:21:41pm

re: #73 blueraven

Oh good Lord, someone speaking on Fox is now advocating for armed churches.

Does anyone on FNC actually know how shootings work? I swear they think this is a video game world where as soon as someone starts shooting, you’re able to pick up a gun and start shooting perfectly accurately. It’s insulting and it’s stupid.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:21:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:22:04pm

re: #78 Patricia Kayden

Because panicking armed folks shooting at each other in a closed building is a genius idea in Rightwingistan.

These are the same idiots who think we should have guns on planes and that guns on planes would have prevented 9/11.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:22:14pm

re: #73 blueraven

Oh good Lord, someone speaking on Fox is now advocating for armed churches.

My church has a well trained and supervised security team, mostly ex military guys. Some do have CCWs and carry on the premises with the Pastors permission.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:23:54pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:24:12pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

These are the same idiots who think we should have guns on planes and that guns on planes would have prevented 9/11.

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dangerman  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:24:47pm

as an aside re the “tax bill”

forbes

House GOP is giving less consideration to their tax plan than they typically do to a bill naming a post office.

this tax bill will be one of the largest legislative increases in the deficit ever considered by any Congress.

and so therefore:

There will be no hearings, no expert testimony and no town halls to get constituent input.

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blueraven  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:24:55pm

re: #80 FormerDirtDart

Presser coming soon. Hope they provide some real info to stop all this awful speculation.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:25:54pm

GRRRRRR

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Stanley Sea  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:26:15pm

re: #86 blueraven

Presser coming soon. Hope they provide some real info to stop all this awful speculation.

You would think the shooter was someone familiar.

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:26:21pm

re: #85 dangerman

as an aside re the “tax bill”

forbes

and so therefore:

Thus putting the last 8 fucking years in perspective, huh?

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:26:48pm
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Stanley Sea  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:27:17pm

Unless we are at the stage of stranger mass murder faster than your average serial killer.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:27:33pm
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dangerman  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:27:56pm

re: #84 Eclectic Cyborg

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to overstate the effing obvious, in the world of this moronic cartoon, why are they only carrying box cutters?

do i win? do i win?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:30:00pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

Does anyone on FNC actually know how shootings work? I swear they think this is a video game world where as soon as someone starts shooting, you’re able to pick up a gun and start shooting perfectly accurately. It’s insulting and it’s stupid.

Realize that this is exactly how most gun nuts think. They think it’s going to be all glorious and fantastic like action movies or first-person shooters. They should talk to active-duty service members, get stories about their first times in combat. They wouldn’t learn anything because they’re incapable of learning, but at least then they could say they tried to get educated on reality.

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dangerman  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:30:23pm

re: #89 Targetpractice

Thus putting the last 8 fucking years in perspective, huh?

people still dont get how republicans have thrown our entire history of “legislating” out the window

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:31:57pm

re: #95 dangerman

people still dont get how republicans have thrown our entire history of “legislating” out the window

It’s not simply that. It’s also that from the moment he took office, the GOP bitched about the deficit and the debt that “we’re leaving to our grandkids!!!!” But as soon as they want to give their rich corporate buddies a tax cut, $1.5 trillion is a drop in the bucket.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:34:30pm

re: #84 Eclectic Cyborg

I once spent about 15 minutes with that picture, showing where all those bullets will end up. Talk about a circular firing squad.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:42:16pm
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blueraven  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:50:15pm

ABC report (according to Fox news) said shooter is a 20yr old white male who was posting pics of assault style weapons on FB.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:50:42pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:51:52pm
As an aside, don’t know if you saw the news, but George Soros recently gave $18 billion to his Open Society Foundations. Soros’s charity is active in promoting immigration into Europe, and in fighting governments like Orban’s, which the foundations believe is anti-democratic and bad for civil society. It can sound good on the surface, but when you start digging, you’ll find that Soros — in coordination with the US Government under the Obama administration! — paid for the translation and distribution of a Macedonian edition of Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky’s classic book on left-wing subversion. The Orban government and Soros have been fierce critics of each other. Orban has attacked Soros -funded institutions in Hungary, in ways that strike Americans as plainly anti-democratic and illiberal. Orban supporters counter that they have no choice, given the deep pockets of globalist financier Soros, and his agenda to undermine Hungarian sovereignty. With the $18 billion gift, the governments of Eastern Europe will be facing Soros challenges for a long time to come.

theamericanconservative.com
Link goes to Rod Dreher

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freetoken  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:52:16pm

Kelley was married and Kelley’s mother-in-law listed a P.O. box in Sutherland Springs as a mailing address. San Antonio police reportedly raided Kelley’s home on Sunday evening. A LinkedIn account appearing to belong to Kelley describes him as serving in the U.S. Air Force from his 2009 high-school graduation until 2013, after which he briefly taught at a summer Bible school. On a now-deleted Facebook account, Kelley recently displayed an AR-15 style gun,

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:53:07pm

re: #99 blueraven

ABC report (according to Fox news) said shooter is a 20yr old white male who was posting pics of assault style weapons on FB.

“Many sides.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:53:30pm

Mrs. FBW and I wanted the doggies to stop thinking of ‘riding in the car’ exclusively as ‘going to the vet’. So we took ‘em in the Sienna to Laurel Creek Park. Zeena The Worrier Princess was shakin’ like a leaf, till she finally realized what was going on.

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scottslemmons  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:54:04pm

re: #100 FormerDirtDart

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(shakes fist) The Irish!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:54:06pm

Also, I’m predicting a declaration of “mentally ill” within the hour.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:54:32pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:54:40pm

re: #96 Targetpractice

It’s not simply that. It’s also that from the moment he took office, the GOP bitched about the deficit and the debt that “we’re leaving to our grandkids!!!!” But as soon as they want to give their rich corporate buddies a tax cut, $1.5 trillion is a drop in the bucket.

Yes, but JERB CREATORS!!!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:55:08pm

re: #105 scottslemmons

(shakes fist) The Irish!

Hey, don’t paint me with no damn brush.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:55:27pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:55:36pm

re: #106 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, I’m predicting a declaration of “mentally ill” within the hour.

He was white. That is less of a prediction and more of an inevitability.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:57:45pm

re: #107 Dr. Matt

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Is Hesiod a lizard?

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Dr. Matt  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:58:10pm

Looks like Devin Patrick Kelley has a small internet footprint.

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blueraven  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:58:30pm

re: #106 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, I’m predicting a declaration of “mentally ill” within the hour.

A Fox guest already mentioned PTSD or that perhaps he had been “radicalized” if he was stationed in or near an ISIS controlled area recently.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:59:02pm

re: #113 Dr. Matt

Looks like Devin Patrick Kelley has a small internet footprint.

Perhaps he wiped out his social media before going postal.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:59:19pm

re: #112 Stanley Sea

Is Hesiod a lizard?

Not that I’m aware of. But that account has great tweets!

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makeitstop  Nov 5, 2017 • 2:59:46pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

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freetoken  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:00:13pm

re: #114 blueraven

That’s why I boldfaced the part from DailyBeast about him leading a Bible study.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:00:41pm

re: #115 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Perhaps he wiped out his social media before going postal.

Good point.

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freetoken  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:00:53pm

If Patrick Kelley was radicalized, could it have been by the Texas religious right?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:01:05pm

re: #114 blueraven

Ugh, I should have known those dumb fucks were already on that.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:01:17pm

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Stanley Sea  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:01:57pm

re: #116 Dr. Matt

Not that I’m aware of. But that account has great tweets!

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They are right on. I see them often.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:01:58pm

re: #120 freetoken

If Patrick Kelly was radicalized, could it have been by the Texas religious right?

Nah. That’s just “dyed in the blood of The Lamb.”

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Jay C  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:02:17pm

re: #102 freetoken

If he graduated high school in 2009, wouldn’t he be about 26 now, not “20” as reported?
(not that it make a helluva difference to his victims….)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:02:55pm

re: #119 Dr. Matt

Good point.

It was suggested from one of the quotes above, where it said something about a “now-deleted Facebook account”. Made me think that perhaps he deleted everything about himself in preparation for his coming infamy.

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freetoken  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:03:20pm

re: #125 Jay C

Perhaps the term that should have been used in the report was “20’s” not just 20.

OTOH, perhaps there is more than one Devin Patrick Kelley and DB messed up.

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ObserverArt  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:03:41pm

re: #125 Jay C

If he graduated high school in 2009, wouldn’t he be about 26 now, not “20” as reported?
(not that it make a helluva difference to his victims….)

MSNBC is displaying 26 as his age.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:04:11pm

re: #73 blueraven

Oh good Lord, someone speaking on Fox is now advocating for armed churches.

Another reason to stay away from churches, thanks to the Tiny Penis Club!

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blueraven  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:04:27pm

re: #121 Eclectic Cyborg

Ugh, I should have known those dumb fucks were already on that.

Not to say he might not have PTSD…but what difference does it make? He, and almost anyone else in this country, is able to get their hands on an assault weapon and kill people at will.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:05:56pm

re: #102 freetoken

A LinkedIn account appearing to belong to Kelley describes him as serving in the U.S. Air Force from his 2009 high-school graduation until 2013, after which he briefly taught at a summer Bible school.

re: #99 blueraven

ABC report (according to Fox news) said shooter is a 20yr old white male who was posting pics of assault style weapons on FB.

Something’s off, a person who is 20 years old now couldn’t have joined the Air Force in 2009.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:07:09pm

Some RWNJ sources are now claiming that Kelly is a convert to Islam. The same masterminds spell the name of the town as “Southerland.” That may allow for tracking of the claim.

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blueraven  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:08:27pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

Something’s off, a person who is 20 years old now couldn’t have joined the Air Force in 2009.

My post was just overheard from a second hand report on Fox. He may have said “in his 20s”.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:11:39pm

re: #114 blueraven

A Fox guest already mentioned PTSD or that perhaps he had been “radicalized” if he was stationed in or near an ISIS controlled area recently.

This is a great way to shit all over combat veterans, paint them as traumatized time bombs that are easily brainwashed via osmosis.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:12:23pm

re: #96 Targetpractice

It’s not simply that. It’s also that from the moment he took office, the GOP bitched about the deficit and the debt that “we’re leaving to our grandkids!!!!” But as soon as they want to give their rich corporate buddies a tax cut, $1.5 trillion is a drop in the bucket.

RepubliKKKlans love to use “Tax and Spend” when it comes to Democrats. Why will NOT A SINGLE Democrat fight back by attacking them as “Borrow and Spend” OR “Red Ink” Republicans?

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Stanley Sea  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:13:05pm

re: #134 goddamnedfrank

This is a great way to shit all over combat veterans, paint them as traumatized time bombs that are easily brainwashed via osmosis.

Exactly.
But easy.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:14:26pm

re: #73 blueraven

Oh good Lord, someone speaking on Fox is now advocating for armed churches.

I’ve seen that movie.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:15:13pm

re: #136 Stanley Sea

Exactly.
But easy.

Just like they did to Vietnam veterans in the 70s…

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:17:13pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:19:19pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

Wrong race, wrong color, wrong religion. Soon to be completely forgotten about like the Las Vegas shooter whats-his-name.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:19:51pm

re: #64 Patricia Kayden

They deserve better and should vote better. Stop voting for Republicans who you already know will do absolutely nothing except ask for thoughts and prayers.

Unfortunately, that’s all the supporters want: thoughts and prayers. They want no restrictions on guns. They all fantasize that they are going to bring down a criminal intruder into their home or stop a crime in progress. This is what America is — or at least the 46% who voted for Trump

—edited to correct a typo

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:20:22pm

Saw voter registration info on a Devin Patrick Kelley, born 1991, from 2014, in Colorado Springs, El Paso County, Colorado
That tends to fit former USAF. Could have gotten out there, stayed a while after, before relocating/returning to Texas.

No party affiliation, if it matters

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:23:00pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:24:19pm

re: #143 Ace-o-aces

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Looks like another Putinbot pouring kerosene on the fire…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:25:51pm

re: #143 Ace-o-aces

He’s probably a bot, but I replied anyway.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:25:52pm

re: #142 FormerDirtDart

Saw voter registration info on a Devin Patrick Kelley, born 1991, from 2014, in Colorado Springs, El Paso County, Colorado
That tends to fit former USAF. Could have gotten out there, stayed a while after, before relocating/returning to Texas.

No party affiliation, if it matters

It’s vitally important to the gun-humpers because if he’s a Democrat, then they have their out.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:28:38pm

re: #144 Joe Bacon 🌹

Looks like another Putinbot pouring kerosene on the fire…

If so, he’s not very good at it.

Zero retweets.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:28:45pm

re: #142 FormerDirtDart

Saw voter registration info on a Devin Patrick Kelley, born 1991, from 2014, in Colorado Springs, El Paso County, Colorado
That tends to fit former USAF. Could have gotten out there, stayed a while after, before relocating/returning to Texas.

No party affiliation, if it matters

Colorado Springs is libertarian-land, partly because of the proximity to the Air Force academy & HQ, and partly because, well, people who live in the mountains tend to be ornery individualists.

Daily Beast had this image of the guy with a baby. And then also fetishizing his assault rifle.

“She’s a bad bitch,” he bragged. It gave him a sense that he was also bad. And powerful. And then he went into a church and mowed people down.
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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:29:03pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:29:06pm

The sad truth is that even when guns were turned on Republican Congressmen and one of them was critically wounded they still bow down before the Tiny Penis Club.

Conclusion—nothing will ever be done to curb gun violence.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:29:44pm

Hmmm…
Dishonorably discharged after courts martial in 2014.
That should be a felony conviction then. Shouldn’t be able to own a firearm.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:31:40pm
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William Lewis  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:31:50pm

re: #151 FormerDirtDart

Hmmm…
Dishonorably discharged after courts martial in 2014.
That should be a felony conviction then. Shouldn’t be able to own a firearm.

????? Link?

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:34:00pm

re: #153 William Lewis

????? Link?

Multiple dead in shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas — live updates

“… Kelley is a former U.S. Air Force member who served from 2010 to 2014. He received a dishonorable discharge and was court martialed in May 2014, CBS News has learned. …”

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:34:19pm

Also: Wil Wheaton is taking a ton of shit for calling out the empty “thoughts and prayers” appeals of the GOP. Apparently, the clear evidence that prayer to a non-existent magical sky fairy is delusional superstition angers some of the RWNJ gun fetishists.

He’s having to backtrack and apologize now, after a whole bunch of Putin-bots started tweeting pictures of Shrek (troll) at him.

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:36:45pm

re: #116 Dr. Matt
Hesiod was a blogger I followed back in the day (early 2000s) who just up and quit one day. I think it might be the same guy.
Hesiod Theogony = Greek Poet en.wikipedia.org

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William Lewis  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:37:01pm

re: #155 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Also: Wil Wheaton is taking a ton of shit for calling out the empty “thoughts and prayers” appeals of the GOP. Apparently, the clear evidence that prayer to a non-existent magical sky fairy is delusional superstition angers some of the RWNJ gun fetishists.

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He’s having to backtrack and apologize now, after a whole bunch of Putin-bots started tweeting pictures of Shrek (troll) at him.

one can believe in prayer and still be pissed at the moral cowardice of the GOP.

GOP delenda est!

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William Lewis  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:38:19pm

re: #154 FormerDirtDart

Multiple dead in shooting at church in Sutherland Springs, Texas — live updates

Haven’t heard that anywhere else so …

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:40:29pm

re: #142 FormerDirtDart

Saw voter registration info on a Devin Patrick Kelley, born 1991, from 2014, in Colorado Springs, El Paso County, Colorado
That tends to fit former USAF. Could have gotten out there, stayed a while after, before relocating/returning to Texas.

No party affiliation, if it matters

Expect someone to take a screenshot from here, and photoshop it shortly (if they haven’t already)
Devin Patrick Kelley’s Colorado Voter Registration - VoterRecords .com

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Skip Intro  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:42:32pm

Wasn’t someone supposed to be indicted today?

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:43:59pm

re: #160 Skip Intro

Wasn’t someone supposed to be indicted today?

Never on Sunday.
The Marshall of the Supreme Court doesn’t issue indictments on the sabbath

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Skip Intro  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:45:26pm

Reasoned responses on the CBS News website.

” IQ.167 • a few seconds ago

Make all Americans join the NRA……..VERY VERY FEW MURDERS COMMITTED BY NRA MEMBERS……..LOCK UP ALL DNC MEMBERS……THEY COMMITT MOST MURDERS……SEND ALL BLACKS TO CUBA,,,,,,THAT WILL SAVE 9000 LIVES A YEAR…….AND MAKE AMERICAN CITIES SAFE PLACES TO VISIT

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25th== Amendment IQ.167 • a few seconds ago

I like that post!

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:46:01pm

re: #160 Skip Intro

I believe it is on Monday and this post from earlier today can answer your question.
littlegreenfootballs.com

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:46:04pm

re: #159 FormerDirtDart

Expect someone to take a screenshot from here, and photoshop it shortly (if they haven’t already)
Devin Patrick Kelley’s Colorado Voter Registration - VoterRecords .com

SGMOTI or Ginger Snapped are doing that right now.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:47:18pm

I guess he used his “bad bitch”

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nines09  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:47:21pm

Sanity break Sunday night version…….

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whitebeach  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:48:37pm

This is a small thing in the context of today’s, and all the other, mass slaughters, but it mattered to me.

I live in one of those states that worship guns. I’m well familiar with guns myself. My father was a competitive handgun shooter in all calibers, I still have some of his medals, and although I never much cared for pistols, I was myself a very good rifle shot from age 12.

Yesterday I saw my first example of an open carry clown, a guy in the supermarket with a woman and two kids, and with some kind of automatic (probably a .38, but it was in a holster so I can’t be sure).

I was right behind him in line when I saw the weapon. It didn’t make me feel safe or secure to know that there was a supposed “good guy with a gun” in the store. In fact I backed out of the line and went to the most distant cashier I could find.

Something is seriously wrong with anyone who thinks he needs a gun to go shopping for groceries.

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nicdanger  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:50:10pm

re: #156 gocart mozart

Hesoid was a blogger I followed back in the day (early 2000s) who just up and quit one day. I think it might be the same guy.
Hesiod Theogony = Greek Poet en.wikipedia.org

i also followed him back then.looking at his email address it looks like the same guy.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:50:49pm

re: #165 FormerDirtDart

I guess he used his “bad bitch”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:52:44pm

ObserverArt, I hope you are keeping an eye on the radar. Some really bumpy stuff headed your way.

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electrotek  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:52:58pm
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:53:25pm

Yeah, everyone needs to read this.
The Emperor has spoken

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electrotek  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:54:25pm

I just got 24 hour timeout for this bullshit

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:55:28pm

Emergency cute stuff, piglets:

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:55:36pm

The first comment at Redstate regarding the shooting in Texas starts with the usual sending of “thoughts & prayers” and goes on to state that we need to allow open and concealed carry everywhere to prevent this from happening.

I have a better idea:

Since we can do nothing to stop criminals or the criminally intent from getting guns and killing people, plus the fact that gun nuts want everyone packing heat to be ready to do battle while out shopping for groceries, how about placing Rent-A-Gun racks everywhere? It’s not fair to make people remember to bring their gun before leaving the house when we all know that criminals will never forget theirs. Out shopping (going to church, getting your drivers license renewed, etc…) and forgot to grab your gun before leaving the house? Just pick one up at a conveniently placed Rent-A-Gun kiosk!

No need for ID to prove your age or to block criminals from getting a rent a gun because kids play with guns all of the time and criminals are going to get guns anyway. Since everyone else should be armed at all times, criminal and good citizen alike, just slide some of that good ol’ American cash into the slot and walk away with your rental Glock. Now you can enjoy your time out in public secure in the knowledge that if there is a shooting at your location then you are ready to shoot back… as long as you weren’t the first one shot, of course.

Back to reality:

I am sick of “thought & prayers” being the standard issue response for every shooting. If I was to send those out for every shooting, every day, my life would be nothing more than doing just that all of the damned time. “Thoughts & prayers” posted online are nothing, have no value and do absolutely nothing for anyone but the one ‘sending’ them. Same thing with spoken “thoughts & prayers”, they are of no value to those they are intended for unless you are personally delivering them to those who need them.

We worship a Constitutional Amendment so much that people have to die every single day. It’s insane. Words and deadly cold, steel have more value in America than the people the Constitution was written for.

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ObserverArt  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:55:48pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

ObserverArt, I hope you are keeping an eye on the radar. Some really bumpy stuff headed your way.

Yeah, I have one computer running weather maps.

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electrotek  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:57:48pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:58:07pm

So Dandy Randy got five broken ribs in his “altercation”…

springfieldnewssun.com

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:58:53pm

re: #147 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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electrotek  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:59:00pm

LOL she’s such a baby

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2017 • 3:59:30pm

re: #173 electrotek

Just don’t call him a Nazi, Twitter doesn’t like that sort of language. Also, don’t call him a “goat fucker”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:00:08pm

re: #177 electrotek

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Must me a Mel Gibson style “Catholic”.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:01:09pm

re: #178 Joe Bacon 🌹

So Dandy Randy got five broken ribs in his “altercation”…

springfieldnewssun.com

Damn, he got his ass beat.

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Skip Intro  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:02:08pm

re: #163 PhillyPretzel

I believe it is on Monday and this post from earlier today can answer your question.
littlegreenfootballs.com

Right. Have to remember to read before posting.

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Varek Raith  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:02:14pm

Texas Gov says 26 dead.
cnn.com

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:05:32pm

Watching sportsball, haven’t read yet.
Government opposition to modifications of Manaforts release conditions

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Brian J.  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:06:27pm

re: #25 Rocky-in-Connecticut

The Gun God that rules over much of America is a blood thirsty god that demands human sacrifice.

I see little to no way this new religion that has taken over a significant plurality here can be diminished without a massive and culture-altering shift to occur.

At least this massacre will slightly accelerate the demographic demise of Racist Texas. Since nothing else will come of this, we have only that cold comfort.

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makeitstop  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:07:23pm

re: #183 FormerDirtDart

Damn, he got his ass beat.

You gotta wonder what he did to warrant such a beatdown.

Besides being a complete douchecanoe, that is.

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Brian J.  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:09:36pm

re: #188 makeitstop

You gotta wonder what he did to warrant such a beatdown.

Besides being a complete douchecanoe, that is.

To quote Irvin Cobb, “Let’s hope it’s nothing trivial.”

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:10:09pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:10:34pm
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scottslemmons  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:11:15pm

re: #187 Brian J.

At least this massacre will slightly accelerate the demographic demise of Racist Texas. Since nothing else will come of this, we have only that cold comfort.

Killing first-graders didn’t do it, shooting Congressmen didn’t do it, shooting hundreds at a C&W concert didn’t do it. I don’t expect shooting churchgoers to do it either. I’m not sure anything will ever turn the tide.

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:12:50pm
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Brian J.  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:13:09pm

re: #192 scottslemmons

Killing first-graders didn’t do it, shooting Congressmen didn’t do it, shooting hundreds at a C&W concert didn’t do it. I don’t expect shooting churchgoers to do it either. I’m not sure anything will ever turn the tide.

Right, which is why I say the only thing that will is when the gunhumpers die out or are demographically overwhelmed.

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Bass Reeves  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:15:42pm

re: #187 Brian J.

re: #194 Brian J.

You forget their lack of affinity for birth controls.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:17:40pm

re: #193 gocart mozart

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Again? Damn. Wicked tough job.

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Brian J.  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:19:53pm

re: #195 Bass Reeves

You forget their lack of affinity for birth controls.

True, but their birth rate isn’t that high anyway. As of 2016, there were 7,294,587 people under 18 in Texas according to the Census Bureau; less than one third (2,333,472) are non-Hispanic white. The only age cohorts in Texas with a non-Hispanic white majority are over 55.

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weave  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:26:33pm

God, I keep reading people asking the tough question.

“Was the church a gun free zone?”

A small church in the middle of rural Texas? I really doubt it had a “no guns” sign up on the door. So there goes that theory asshats.

Besides. It wouldn’t change much. I carry. I’ve gone to self defense training. You’re taught in a situation like that to flee, not engage. Only draw your weapon and engage if you have no other choice (like being backed into a room with no escape). The last thing you want is to be in a situation where the police are responding and you’re the guy in the middle of a bunch of victims with your gun out.

I’m willing to bet that most of those yahoos that are spouting off that bullshit don’t even own a gun (because they live in Russia….)

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blueraven  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:27:00pm

re: #187 Brian J.

At least this massacre will slightly accelerate the demographic demise of Racist Texas. Since nothing else will come of this, we have only that cold comfort.

WTF is wrong with you?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:28:26pm

re: #198 weave

God, I keep reading people asking the tough question.

“Was the church a gun free zone?”

A small church in the middle of rural Texas? I really doubt it had a “no guns” sign up on the door. So there goes that theory asshats.

Besides. It wouldn’t change much. I carry. I’ve gone to self defense training. You’re taught in a situation like that to flee, not engage. Only draw your weapon and engage if you have no other choice (like being backed into a room with no escape). The last thing you want is to be in a situation where the police are responding and you’re the guy in the middle of a bunch of victims with your gun out.

I’m willing to bet that most of those yahoos that are spouting off that bullshit don’t even own a gun (because they live in Russia….)

Remember my earlier comment: The gun-humpers live in an alternate reality that works like an action movie or a video game. They’re the hero, they’re going to pull out their weapon and miraculously save the day. Because they have no direct experience with the reality of a shooter situation, they have no way of determining how very, very wrong they are. And even if they should learn that, they would still prioritize their gun fetish above all else, even their own lives.

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Skip Intro  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:31:13pm

This appeared earlier today in a tweet from the NRA. It has since been deleted.

I’m re-posting it just to keep the record straight. I suppose Dana Gunz will be doing another one of her threatening videos about it soon.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:31:16pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:31:36pm

re: #201 Skip Intro

This appeared earlier today in a tweet from the NRA. It has since been deleted.

I’m re-posting it just to keep the record straight. I suppose Dana Gunz will be doing another one of her threatening videos about it soon.

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BAHAHAHAHA, they did delete it! What do I win?

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Dave In Austin  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:33:24pm
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:33:33pm
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Belafon  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:33:46pm

re: #201 Skip Intro

Just call them bullet feeders.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:34:19pm

re: #203 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

BAHAHAHAHA, they did delete it! What do I win?

They may have deleted it, but Doofy Dana is probably cutting another ad begging for more guns!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:34:54pm

re: #205 FormerDirtDart

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Uh-oh. Assuming this is all true, the “good guy with a gun” narrative has just emerged. And so goes all hope of making any progress on sane and rational gun control. It was a slim hope anyway, but if that tweet holds water, it’s a literal impossibility.

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:35:28pm
In late June, President Trump hosted a group of Native American tribal leaders at the White House and urged them to “just do it” and extract whatever they want from the land they control.

The exchange turned out to be an unusually vivid window into the almost kingly power that Trump sees himself as holding, and which he has begun describing with increasing bluntness. The scene was recounted by a source in the room and confirmed by another. The White House didn’t dispute the story.

The chiefs explained to Trump that there were regulatory barriers preventing them from getting at their energy. Trump replied: “But now it’s me. The government’s different now. Obama’s gone; and we’re doing things differently here.”

“So what I’m saying is, just do it.”

There was a pause in the room and the tribal leaders looked at each other.

“Chief, chief,” Trump continued, addressing one of the tribal leaders, “what are they going to do? Once you get it out of the ground are they going to make you put it back in there? I mean, once it’s out of the ground it can’t go back in there. You’ve just got to do it. I’m telling you, chief, you’ve just got to do it.”

The tribal leader looked back at one of the White House officials in the room — perhaps somebody from the White House Counsel’s office — and he said “can we just do that?” The official equivocated, saying the administration is making progress and has a plan to roll back various regulations.

Trump interjected again: “Guys, I feel like you’re not hearing me right now. We’ve just got to do it. I feel like we’ve got no choice; other countries are just doing it. China is not asking questions about all of this stuff. They’re just doing it. And guys, we’ve just got to do it.”

axios.com

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:36:00pm

re: #208 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Uh-oh. Assuming this is all true, the “good guy with a gun” narrative has just emerged. And so goes all hope of making any progress on sane and rational gun control. It was a slim hope anyway, but if that tweet holds water, it’s a literal impossibility.

The “good guy with a gun” was unable to stop “the bad guy with a gun” from killing all those people.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:36:38pm

re: #192 scottslemmons

Killing first-graders didn’t do it, shooting Congressmen didn’t do it, shooting hundreds at a C&W concert didn’t do it. I don’t expect shooting churchgoers to do it either. I’m not sure anything will ever turn the tide.

Dylann Roof shot churchgoers 2 years ago. So shooting churchgoers is nothing new. And the NRA worshipers don’t care.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:37:09pm

re: #210 Belafon

The “good guy with a gun” was unable to stop “the bad guy with a gun” from killing all those people.

Oh, no, you don’t get it. This would have been much, much worse if the hero hadn’t shot back. He saved all those people, he prevented an even worse tragedy. Now get down on your knees and worship the Almighty Firearm, you namby-pamby librul.

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electrotek  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:37:15pm

lol Drudge

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Interesting Times  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:37:20pm

re: #208 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Uh-oh. Assuming this is all true, the “good guy with a gun” narrative has just emerged.

Really? To me, it says “Good guy with gun might have been there, but 26 people died anyway because the attacker always has the element of surprise on his side.”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:38:22pm

re: #212 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Obviously my sarcasm is heavy in this post, but watch and see if they don’t say something very much like this tonight or tomorrow morning. They’re as predictable as the sunrise.

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Bass Reeves  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:38:24pm

re: #199 blueraven

Probably is in a dark, cynical place after the constant repetition of dead Americans in fairly preventable circumstances.

re: #211 Hecuba’s daughter

There was already a church shooting this year, it didn’t even make it through an entire news cycle.

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Kragar  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:38:43pm
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blueraven  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:38:51pm

re: #208 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Uh-oh. Assuming this is all true, the “good guy with a gun” narrative has just emerged. And so goes all hope of making any progress on sane and rational gun control. It was a slim hope anyway, but if that tweet holds water, it’s a literal impossibility.

My understanding is that the civilian did not have a gun, rather he confronted and took the suspect’s gun and then pursued him?

Not sure.

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[deleted]  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:38:52pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:40:07pm

re: #218 blueraven

My understanding is that the civilian did not have a gun, rather he confronted and took the suspect’s gun and then pursued him?

Not sure.

I think at this point we’re probably better off invoking the 48-hour rule.

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Kragar  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:40:44pm

re: #220 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

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Interesting Times  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:41:03pm

re: #218 blueraven

My understanding is that the civilian did not have a gun, rather he confronted and took the suspect’s gun and then pursued him?

Perhaps we ought to implement the 24-rule on this one. All we know for sure is, regardless of when/how the killer was shot, he still managed to wound and murder dozens of people beforehand with a weapon he had no business owning.

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blueraven  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:42:17pm

re: #219 Brian J.

Nothing. Since these people are dying because of their own political attitudes and are absolutely determined not to listen to anyone but themselves, all we outsiders can do is let natural selection take its course.

You are a despicable person. Innocent people and children were killed but because they live in Texas…??

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[deleted]  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:44:23pm
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LastYearsMan  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:44:26pm

“Tell that to the 28th person he would have murdered without an armed citizen there to stop him… eventually…”

/s (but only kind of)

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Kragar  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:45:01pm
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Eventual Carrion  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:45:29pm

re: #206 Belafon

Just call them bullet feeders.

Pez Dispensers of Death

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scottslemmons  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:47:29pm

re: #205 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

One of the parishioners brought a rifle to church? That’s intensely not sane.

Maybe someone in the area had a rifle, but if it was a parishioner hauling a goddamn rifle into church, that’s someone who has problems that churchin’ isn’t going to solve.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:47:42pm

re: #224 Brian J.

Most of the innocent people repeatedly chose to make themselves vulnerable to this kind of death through their voluntary political choices. Until and unless those atittudes change, there is nothing outsiders can do but wait for the carnage to subside on its own and for its supporters’ numbers to be sufficiently whittled down.

You have no idea whether this is true. You’re basically saying “They’re Texans. Let ‘em die.”

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blueraven  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:47:58pm

re: #224 Brian J.

Most of the innocent people repeatedly chose to make themselves vulnerable to this kind of death through their voluntary political choices. Until and unless those atittudes change, there is nothing outsiders can do but wait for the carnage to subside on its own and for its supporters’ numbers to be sufficiently whittled down.

Fuck you, dude. I live in Texas and I don’t have RW political views, but even if I did, I shouldn’t deserve to die because of it. You do know that little children don’t vote, right?

sick

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Varek Raith  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:48:23pm

re: #224 Brian J.

Oh bugger off.

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Skip Intro  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:48:45pm

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whitebeach  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:48:58pm

re: #219 Brian J.

Nothing. Since these people are dying because of their own political attitudes and are absolutely determined not to listen to anyone but themselves, all we outsiders can do is let natural selection take its course.

I rarely downding anyone, but you’re tempting me here. The people who were murdered were undoubtedly very much like most of my neighbors. My neighbors are right-wing as hell but for the most part damn good neighbors, and generally no worse than any other human beings. You seem to be saying that people deserve to be shot down in church if they happen to be on the right wing and favor carrying guns. I think that sounds like a nazi frame of mind.

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makeitstop  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:51:31pm

re: #224 Brian J.

Most of the innocent people repeatedly chose to make themselves vulnerable to this kind of death through their voluntary political choices.

That’s bullshit. There were kids in that church. And you have no way in hell of knowing anyone in that church’s ‘political choices.’

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rhuarc  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:52:14pm

I see we’ve entered the PC part of the conversation. This is why nothing ever changes.

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VegasGolfer  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:52:51pm

en.m.wikipedia.org
Godwin’s law

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electrotek  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:55:26pm

re: #224 Brian J.

Most of the innocent people repeatedly chose to make themselves vulnerable to this kind of death through their voluntary political choices. Until and unless those atittudes change, there is nothing outsiders can do but wait for the carnage to subside on its own and for its supporters’ numbers to be sufficiently whittled down.

That’s going too far dude, calm the fuck down.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2017 • 4:56:03pm

What I’m reading is that the shooter either took his own life, or died of wounds inflicted by someone else. So, it may turn out that a Bad Guy With A Gun can also stop a Bad Guy With A Gun.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:00:56pm

re: #234 makeitstop

That’s bullshit. There were kids in that church. And you have no way in hell of knowing anyone in that church’s ‘political choices.’

Kids don’t have a choice where they live. Any attempt to impose social Darwinism on them is just plain wrong.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:01:03pm

re: #213 electrotek

lol Drudge

[Embedded content]

The Right has absolutely no qualms about lying to advance their agenda. Here we go again with the “good guy with a gun” nonsense.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:01:08pm

re: #225 LastYearsMan

“Tell that to the 28th person he would have murdered without an armed citizen there to stop him… eventually…”

/s (but only kind of)

See my #212 above.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:03:59pm

re: #236 VegasGolfer

en.m.wikipedia.org
Godwin’s law

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blueraven  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:09:25pm

re: #235 rhuarc

I see we’ve entered the PC part of the conversation. This is why nothing ever changes.

Fuck. you. too.

You upding Brian J then downding me for calling him out for celebrating (finding comfort) in the death of children and other innocent people based on their zip code?

That is not being PC. What Brian J posted is fucked up.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:10:01pm

re: #235 rhuarc

I see we’ve entered the PC part of the conversation. This is why nothing ever changes.

What you might be seeing as PC I see as reductive broad brush non-constructive victim blaming, which has never changed anything for the better.

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Kragar  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:11:55pm
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William Lewis  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:14:51pm

re: #235 rhuarc

I see we’ve entered the PC part of the conversation. This is why nothing ever changes.

oh really? I’m sure we’re all quite eager to hear of your concerns

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Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:14:57pm

re: #245 Kragar

[Embedded content]

“If we change how we live our lives, then the terrorists have won! By the way, you should walk around in a constant state of fear and paranoia that you could be shot at any second!”

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whitebeach  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:15:47pm

re: #244 goddamnedfrank

What you might be seeing as PC I see as reductive broad brush non-constructive victim blaming, which has never changed anything for the better.

While that’s true, i’d put it more crudely: It’s fucked-up final solution thinking.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:16:20pm

re: #228 scottslemmons

One of the parishioners brought a rifle to church? That’s intensely not sane.

Maybe someone in the area had a rifle, but if it was a parishioner hauling a goddamn rifle into church, that’s someone who has problems that churchin’ isn’t going to solve.

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Varek Raith  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:16:41pm

I’d need ‘situational awareness’ if I lived in a fucking warzone.
Is this what we’ve become?
/Rhetorical

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Dave In Austin  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:17:10pm

re: #242 goddamnedfrank

That thread wins the evening.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:18:41pm
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Belafon  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:18:43pm

re: #247 Targetpractice

“If we change how we live our lives, then the terrorists have won! By the way, you should walk around in a constant state of fear and paranoia that you could be shot at any second!”

The right almost never says “If we change how we live our lives, then the terrorists have won!” The left says that. The right would prefer to cower in fear and pray to their ammo god.

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Varek Raith  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:19:26pm

Sigh…
I’m going to bed.
What a country!

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weave  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:21:18pm

We have our narrative. He was an atheist and CNN viewer.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:21:20pm

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No. 14-119
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PETITIONS FOR GRANT OF REVIEW DENIED

No. 14-0313/AR. U.S. v. Christopher R. DARBYSHIRE. CCA 20110026.
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LastYearsMan  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:23:07pm

And a few hours later, they apparently did meet. Awesome organizational skills there.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:23:09pm

re: #255 weave

We have our narrative. He was an atheist and CNN viewer.

[Embedded content]

And a Good Guy with a Gun stopped him from killing everybody. The board is set, the moves have been calculated, all that remains is to play the game.

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Kragar  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:23:45pm
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fern01  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:23:50pm

re: #140 Skip Intro

Wrong race, wrong color, wrong religion. Soon to be completely forgotten about like the Las Vegas shooter whats-his-name.

I read they have sent the LV shooter’s brain for forensic examination to find out “why” he shot over 500 people. Haven’t noticed this happen with any of the “terrorist” shooters.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:24:20pm

re: #252 FormerDirtDart

Chippewa Falls, Wi REPRES…. oh, shit.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:25:11pm
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calochortus  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:25:51pm

re: #255 weave

We have our narrative. He was an atheist and CNN viewer.

[Embedded content]

According to FR he was a Muslim convert, atheist, dishonorably discharged, devil possessed liberal.

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weave  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:26:21pm

re: #258 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

And a Good Guy with a Gun stopped him from killing everybody. The board is set, the moves have been calculated, all that remains is to play the game.

And of course “all black” is going to be having everyone claiming he was affiliated with the Antifa movement.

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fern01  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:27:11pm

re: #157 William Lewis

one can believe in prayer and still be pissed at the moral cowardice of the GOP.

GOP delenda est!

I can’t believe in prayer when it is used against guns. The guns win every time.

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weave  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:27:28pm

re: #263 calochortus

According to FR he was a Muslim convert, atheist, dishonorably discharged, devil possessed liberal.

A muslim and an atheist. Wow, that’s …. double …. er…. convincing so it must be true.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:27:51pm

re: #264 weave

Hmm. All black. They better not go into Bloomingdales. All of the salespeople wear black.

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Kragar  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:28:35pm
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calochortus  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:28:51pm

re: #260 fern01

I read they have sent the LV shooter’s brain for forensic examination to find out “why” he shot over 500 people. Haven’t noticed this happen with any of the “terrorist” shooters.

Terrorists have a stated reason for doing what they do. It may be nuts, but it is often reasonably coherent. The LV shooter had no stated or apparent reason for shooting all those people. I assume they are going to look for tumors, chemical imbalances and whatnot.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:30:17pm

re: #264 weave

And of course “all black” is going to be having everyone claiming he was affiliated with the Antifa movement.

Am I wrong to think that there is no such thing as an “Antifa movement”?

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whitebeach  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:32:30pm

re: #270 bill d. (b.d.)

Am I wrong to think that there is no such thing as an “Antifa movement”?

If there’s not, there damn well should be, since “antifa” is simply short for antifascist. I mean, there’s clearly a “fa” movement in this country, so why not “antifa.”

272
PhillyPretzel  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:32:52pm

OT Has anyone been messages that iCloud cannot sign into g-mail accounts?

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weave  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:32:56pm

re: #267 PhillyPretzel

Hmm. All black. They better not go into Bloomingdales. All of the salespeople wear black.

Real Americans shop at Dollar General, or Walmart if you dress up

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:33:37pm

re: #273 weave

I also shop at L L Bean.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:34:42pm

re: #262 Charles Johnson

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:34:55pm
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bratwurst  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:34:56pm

America’s worst professional pundit:

America’s worst amateur pundit is presently getting the downdings he deserves in this thread.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:37:13pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:37:46pm

How long can you listen to this drooling moron read his prepared speech in a monotone that would shame a 1st grader==>
I lasted 30 seconds, now I have to pour boiling bleach in my ear canals.

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:38:21pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:38:30pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:41:10pm

Just blocked an idiot who demanded that I apologize to Chris Cillizza. Not a fucking chance.

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weave  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:43:29pm

So the guy citizen didn’t shoot the perp after giving chase. But does sound like the perp got shot at the scene by a neighbor.

HERO Johnnie Langendorff Fires Back at Sutherland Springs Shooter!

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:44:06pm
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LastYearsMan  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:46:02pm

re: #266 weave

A muslim and an atheist. Wow, that’s …. double ….

Worked for Obama for 8 years. Got to dance with the one that brought you.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:46:31pm

re: #279 The Vicious Babushka

How long can you listen to this drooling moron read his prepared speech in a monotone that would shame a 1st grader==>
I lasted 30 seconds, now I have to pour boiling bleach in my ear canals.

[Embedded content]

I won’t even turn to the channel if he’s on. 30 seconds is about 29 seconds more than I can handle.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:50:30pm

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makeitstop  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:52:32pm

re: #259 Kragar

TX Attorney General on Fox News says only way to stop mass shootings like this is for more people to bring their guns to church with them.

Bring more guns to church. Jesus wept.

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calochortus  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:53:17pm

Time for dinner and then a fun trip to the airport to pick up my brother and his wife.
How’s that for fun?

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:57:10pm

People are determined to draw their previous “just so” stories out of this.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:58:33pm

re: #290 jaunte

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People are determined to draw their previous “just so” stories out of this.

Unfortunately, I have never been more disappointed to be proven right.

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:59:20pm

“After the mass shooting, he really put an end to it.”

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scottslemmons  Nov 5, 2017 • 5:59:22pm

re: #288 makeitstop

Bring more guns to church. Jesus wept.

American Christianity continues its slide into Bizarro World.

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electrotek  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:00:00pm

Wow, fuck these guys

Facebook Post

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:01:18pm
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Citizen K  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:01:48pm

re: #259 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Guns are literally the only safety and security ever, according to the 2nd Amendment fetishists. There’s literally no other way to be safe ever unless you own at least a dozen guns personally.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:04:20pm
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whitebeach  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:04:48pm

You know, I don’t give a damn if the shooter was an atheist or a Mormon or a Pentecostal or a Muslim or a Jain. I don’t care if he was a he or a she. I don’t care if he was right-wing or left-wing or straight down the bird’s back. I don’t care if he was white or black or brown or yellow. All I care about is that he had weapons a sane society wouldn’t have allowed him to have.

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gocart mozart  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:05:42pm

re: #297 Charles Johnson

Profile of Antifa = 20 something white guy. Case closed. QED mutherfucker

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:08:05pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:14:01pm
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makeitstop  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:16:35pm

re: #300 Joe Bacon 🌹

[Embedded content]

Upding for the Posner reference. That guy was one smooth-talkin’ Russian shill.

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austin_blue  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:17:47pm

re: #290 jaunte

[Embedded content]

People are determined to draw their previous “just so” stories out of this.

Man, that dude has got an absolutely GORGEOUS Waco Waterfall on the back of his head.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:19:20pm

re: #288 makeitstop

To the ammosexuals and other wingnuts it makes sense.

They regard firearms as holy icons of the American faith. When the icons are everywhere the faith will be everywhere and evil will be defeated.

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Jay C  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:21:41pm

re: #295 jaunte

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“Try building cars in the US”?? I can’t believe even Donald Trump would be stupid enough to say something like this: Japanese-brand automakers built four fucking million cars in the US last year (and exported 10% of them) - yet President Shit-For-Brains still spouts off like it’s still 1985 ?

I was going to make a comment about “doesn’t he have ANYBODY with him conversant enough with trade and investment issues to keep him from making stupid embarrassing remarks?, but then realized that it probably wouldn’t make any difference… what a baffoon.

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JordanRules  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:22:04pm
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Belafon  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:23:24pm

re: #307 JordanRules

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I hope the Saudi’s aren’t listening to Trump’s recollection of the 1970-1980s to inform them of how Iran is acting.

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austin_blue  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:25:03pm

re: #298 whitebeach

You know, I don’t give a damn if the shooter was an atheist or a Mormon or a Pentecostal or a Muslim or a Jain. I don’t care if he was a he or a she. I don’t care if he was right-wing or left-wing or straight down the bird’s back. I don’t care if he was white or black or brown or yellow. All I care about is that he had weapons a sane society wouldn’t have allowed him to have.

Which he was legally not allowed to purchase or own!

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JordanRules  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:32:30pm

2 years ago. This is so fucked up.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:37:13pm
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:42:43pm
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austin_blue  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:44:25pm

re: #311 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

Who let the bears out their cages?

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:53:39pm

Rest of the thread

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:08:01pm

re: #208 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Uh-oh. Assuming this is all true, the “good guy with a gun” narrative has just emerged. And so goes all hope of making any progress on sane and rational gun control. It was a slim hope anyway, but if that tweet holds water, it’s a literal impossibility.

More than 20 people are dead.
There was no good guy with a gun that made any freaking difference.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:24:24pm

re: #255 weave

We have our narrative. He was an atheist and CNN viewer.

[Embedded content]

I’m atheist and I’ve never been a fan of atheism.


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Tune-Yards - Look at Your Hands (Official Video) 'Look at Your Hands' by Tune-Yards. New album 'I can feel you creep into my private life' is released January 19th 2018: smarturl.it Video by Michael SpeedFootage by Marisa Gesualdi & Jennifer SommerAdditional photos by Nate Brenner, Ginger Fierstein ...
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Beck Performing ‘Up All Night’ Live on KCRW Watch / Listen to the full session here: kcrw.com Beck has always been a chameleon and his latest Colors finds him returning to the incredibly upbeat songs that drove earlier albums like Odelay and Guero. This performance, recorded at ...
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Thundercat Performs ‘Them Changes’ With Jon Batiste & Stay Human Bass-man and musical wunderkind Thundercat sits in with the Late Show house band to perform this track off his latest album 'Drunk.' Subscribe To "The Late Show" Channel HERE: bit.lyFor more content from "The Late Show with Stephen Colbert", ...
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