Stories of Courage and Fearlessness: Banda Magda, “Le Tigre Malin”

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Banda Magda - Le Tigre Malin
From Banda Magda’s new album “Tigre”, released September 2017 on Verve Label Group/GroundUP Music.

***Please set to HD (or at least 480p).

“Tigre” is available now:

Physical: store.groundupmusic.net
Digital: smarturl.it

Music and Lyrics by Magda Giannikou

Lyric Sheets, English Translations and Leadsheets of TIGRE are available at: bandamagda.com

FILM CREW
Andy LaViolette: Cinematography
Magda Giannikou: Producer / Director / Artistic Decorator / Set Designer
Megan McDermott: 1st AC / Scenic Artist / Grip
Jon Schlowsky: Best Boy / Scenic Artist
Mika Mitamura: Make-up / Hair Styling
Amanda Tuiran: Scenic Artist / Production Assistant
Ana Tuiran: Prop Master / Scenic Artist / Playback Engineer
Declan Saint-Onge: Production Still / Photographer
Gabrielle Vigueira: Scenic Artist / Production Assistant
Ed Viguiera: Production Assistant
Juni DiStasio: Set Designer Assistant
Maria Zaharenia: Research and Style Guide Director
Ira Senak: Grip / Playback Engineer / Production Assistant
Tom Beuchel: Production Assistant
John Muller: : Production Assistant
Film Edited by Magda Giannikou and Megan McDermott (Darondo Productions)
Coloring by Megan McDermott (Darondo Productions)

Filmed at Flux Studios NYC and the GroundUP Music Offices.

MUSIC CREW

Magda Giannikou: voice
Ignacio Hernandez: guitar
Marcelo Woloski: percussion & vocals
James Shipp: percussion, vocals & glockenspiel
Keita Ogawa: percussion & vocals
Andres Rotmistrovsky: electric bass & vocals
Justin Stanton: rhodes and trumpet
Chris Bullock: clarinet
Mika Mimura: vibraphone & marimba
Juan Andres Ospina: vocals
Engin Gunaydin: drum set
Michael League: baritone guitar
Bob Lanzetti: electric guitar

Featuring the Banda Magda String Orchestra
primi: Maria Im & Curtis Stewart
secondi: Brooke Quiggins Saulnier & Sami Merdinian
viole: Lev Ljova Zhurbin & Irena Momchilova
celli: Maria Jeffers, Sam Quiggins & Colin Stokes

Music Produced by Magda Giannikou & Fab Dupont
Arrangements by Magda Giannikou
Recorded by Fab Dupont, Ira Senak, Tom Beuchel, Josh Welshman, Mike La Tona & John Muller at Flux Studios NYC
MIxed by Fab Dupont at Flux Studios NYC
Mastered by Diego Calviño at 3:3:2 Studio

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467 comments

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:45:32pm

So, is it still too early to talk about gun regulations?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:46:09pm
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weave  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:47:05pm

Redstate: Coldest “Hot Take” On Texas Church Shooting

I see Redstate is still too stupid to be able to identify either a likely 4chan troll or a Russian troll account.

This one is so over the top even my dog would be able to figure out it’s a troll.

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austin_blue  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:47:08pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

So, is it still too early to talk about gun regulations?

///

It’s always too early.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 6:47:51pm

re: #4 austin_blue

It’s always too early.

Until it’s too late, the tragedy has passed, let the dead lie in peace and let’s just move on with life as normal until it happens again, at which point it’s too early again.

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BigPapa  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:00:04pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

You weren’t even ‘that’ right wing. Not even close to today’s cretins.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:01:40pm
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dangerman  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:02:21pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

So, is it still too early to talk about gun regulations?

///

as there is a mass shooting more or less every day it can never be time to talk about gun regulations

///

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electrotek  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:02:23pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:03:58pm

Well, my regional paper chose not to run my wife’s letter debunking the columnist who claimed that lack of religious oversight is the cause of the rising (actually falling) divorce rate in Nebraska.

Instead, the paper chose to run this little racist gem. (I already had a letter in the paper this month so they will not let me respond.)

Football Players Should Be Happy They Live in America (goes to the Scottsbluff NE Star-Herald)

Bear in mind Letters to the Editor are vetted by the senior editor to run. Normally, they put the town of the writer: On this letter, they did not.

It’s high time the whiner, overpaid babies being paid just for playing a game get over their problem.

They should remember that they are extremely fortunate that some of their ancestors were sold to slave traders (from their own tribes in Africa) hundreds of years ago, and brought here to America, the best country in the world, where they were later freed when the United States fought a bitter and divisive civil war.

If they insist on “taking a knee,” they should get down on both knees and thank God that their ancestors were brought to America even as slaves.

John Gable

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:05:28pm

re: #6 BigPapa

You weren’t even ‘that’ right wing. Not even close to today’s cretins.

There was quite a bit of Islam-bashing around here in the immediate post-9/11 days. Charles never let it get as far as the modern Right is taking it, true, but we’ve all come a long way since the early days.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:05:38pm

re: #9 electrotek

So the take is he was Mentally ill. Shocking.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:06:39pm

re: #10 Anymouse 🌹

Well, my regional paper chose not to run my wife’s letter debunking the columnist who claimed that lack of religious oversight is the cause of the rising (actually falling) divorce rate in Nebraska.

Instead, the paper chose to run this little racist gem. (I already had a letter in the paper this month so they will not let me respond.)

Football Players Should Be Happy They Live in America (goes to the Scottsbluff NE Star-Herald)

Bear in mind Letters to the Editor are vetted by the senior editor to run. Normally, they put the town of the writer: On this letter, they did not.

Wait, wait, let me understand this. They should be THANKFUL that their ancestors were slaves? What the ACTUAL FUCK is WRONG with these “people”?!?

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dangerman  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:09:12pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

The private party transfer loophole makes it easy for people who are legally not allowed to own guns to acquire them. Yet GOP won’t close it

you could drive a truck through this loophole

if EVERY transfer is not vetted against at least a “not allowed to own” list - how does the seller / transferor know hes not selling to someone who’s not allowed to own?

give the sellers the tools. make them responsible for using them or accountable if they dont

you have the right to keep and bear
no one has an obligation to sell to you

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:09:49pm

Question for ammosexuals:
Great Britain, Canada and Australia have plenty of “disturbed” types, yet they rarely shoot anyone. Are their nuts just more peaceful than ours, or could there be some other factor? Think real hard on this one.

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BigPapa  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:10:43pm

re: #11 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

True. I was a lazzes faire and DudeBro liberdouchian myself.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:11:00pm

re: #15 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I’m Canadian. No thinking required here.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:11:11pm

re: #13 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Wait, wait, let me understand this. They should be THANKFUL that their ancestors were slaves? What the ACTUAL FUCK is WRONG with these “people”?!?

I have no idea. I bet the writer wouldn’t want to be enslaved.

If I could afford to live in a blue state, I would. Unfortunately, I cannot. The best I can do is try to fight against such ideas here.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:11:49pm

re: #16 BigPapa

True. I was a lazzes faire and DudeBro liberdouchian myself.

And when I first joined, I was still working my way out of the wingnut mind control machine. I guarantee there are some highly disgusting and embarrassing posts of mine in the history.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:12:49pm

re: #9 electrotek

Girl who “says” she dated Kelley

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:12:53pm

re: #18 Anymouse 🌹

I have no idea. I bet the writer wouldn’t want to be enslaved.

If I could afford to live in a blue state, I would. Unfortunately, I cannot. The best I can do is try to fight against such ideas here.

Blue states have a higher standard of living. Gee, I can’t hardly imagine why.///

I would totally chip in to get you out of Wingnuttia, but I understand it would be an ongoing effort. I can only give you my thoughts and prayers.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:14:31pm

re: #19 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

And when I first joined, I was still working my way out of the wingnut mind control machine. I guarantee there are some highly disgusting and embarrassing posts of mine in the history.

You could repost some of them. /s

As I noted before, had I heard of LGF before its switch (and having read some of the old posts here), I never would have come around again. (You could have been spared my thoughts, but Nooooo, you’re stuck with me now.)

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:14:34pm

re: #10 Anymouse 🌹

One more privileged white man whining about the black people making him uncomfortable with facts he doesn’t want to confront.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:15:12pm

re: #21 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Blue states have a higher standard of living. Gee, I can’t hardly imagine why.///

I would totally chip in to get you out of Wingnuttia, but I understand it would be an ongoing effort. I can only give you my thoughts and prayers.

Are you a Republican? /s

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:15:13pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

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austin_blue  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:15:18pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

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Franksgiving?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:16:02pm

re: #22 Anymouse 🌹

You could repost some of them. /s

As I noted before, had I heard of LGF before its switch (and having read some of the old posts here), I never would have come around again. (You could have been spared my thoughts, but Nooooo, you’re stuck with me now.)

Yeah, you don’t want that. Gus reposted a few a couple of years back when I got into a fight with him about people changing minds and the historical record. Needless to say, I was quickly chagrined and corrected on the matter.

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JordanRules  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:16:57pm

Domestic violence likely in play again eh. Not surprised.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:17:23pm

re: #27 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That’s okay, I was not serious with my post up there. People do change their minds. Hopefully enough will to get us out of our current mess.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:18:59pm
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JordanRules  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:20:10pm
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jaunte  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:21:24pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:21:28pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:22:19pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:22:58pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

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Kragar  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:23:52pm
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jaunte  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:25:01pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:25:11pm

The looniest ammosexual I know is actually in favor of closing the private sale/gunshow loophole. He thinks it is a farce and a travesty that we allow this. This is a guy who thinks Obama is Satan and that suppressors and machine guns should be as easily available as single-shot shotguns. Makes me wonder just how crazy the pro-loophole mob is (and there is such a mob or the loophole would be long gone).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:27:48pm

If I had the time and energy I’d page this, but I don’t so I’ll go with this extended comment for now.

Venting ahead, so buckle up.

You know what is really FUCKING TERRIFYING? We’ve gotten to a point in this country where we almost have an apathetic, muscle memory response to any mass shooting event.

Inevitably, the cycle plays out like this:

- Some nutcase shoots up a bar/theater/school/concert/church
- If it was a white person (almost always a male), it was either a “lone wolf” or someone who didn’t get the mental health treatment they needed.
- If it was a colored person: terrorism.
- Sane people start talking talking about the need for gun regulations
- Gun nuts start telling those sane people to shut the fuck up and propse all manner of stupid solutions to the problem that basically amount to MORE GUNS.
- “Thoughts and prayers” go out to the victims
- We are assured by leaders that there was “nothing that could have prevented this”
- Endless arguing and debating ensues on Twitter/FB/Cable news, further confusing and muddying the debate.

Ultimately the whole thing is turned in to one big us vs. them political shitshow where the “Us” is the people who happen to see the dire need for progress on this problem and “Them” are the gun loving, “patriotic”, real ‘Muricans and their political masters bought and paid for by the NRA.

Eventually the debate dies down…until the next mass shooting (and as long as nothing fucking gets done there’s ALWAYS going to be a next one) when the whole fucking cycle starts over again.

Think about this: We’re at the point where nobody really gives a shit if dozens of people get shot and killed because we’ve come to accept this as NORMAL IN AMERICA.

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON HERE PEOPLE??

As long as we are stuck in this vicious cycle, the NRA wins. The gun manufacturers win. Nothing changes.

A classroom full of dead kids wasn’t enough.

A nightclub full of dead partiers wasn’t enough.

A concert where close to SIX HUNDRED PEOPLE got shot wasn’t enough.

And a church full of dead congregants won’t be enough.

Naturally we ask ourselves: What will?

But the scariest, most depressing, most terrifying, most fucked up thing is that we all know what the answer is:

Nothing.

Because we’ve all become so fucking desensitized to this stuff.

Tell me that doesn’t send a chill up your spine.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:27:48pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

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Dude. That was the troll hammer of the gun-humping right, right there. Bloody well done.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:28:26pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:28:53pm

re: #38 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The looniest ammosexual I know is actually in favor of closing the private sale/gunshow loophole. He thinks it is a farce and a travesty that we allow this. This is a guy who thinks Obama is Satan and that suppressors and machine guns should be as easily available as single-shot shotguns. Makes me wonder just how crazy the pro-loophole mob is (and there is such a mob or the loophole would be long gone).

The pro-loophole mob is, essentially, the survivalist/3%/Bundy Ranch types. The fact that there are so many of them should be disturbing in many more ways than one.

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:29:49pm
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weave  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:31:51pm

re: #30 Anymouse 🌹

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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:32:00pm
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Kragar  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:32:16pm
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BigPapa  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:33:20pm

This is a very important poll:

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:34:00pm

re: #47 BigPapa

This is a very important poll:

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Bottoms up, my friend. And take a couple ibuprofen.

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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:35:21pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:37:19pm

re: #49 teleskiguy

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He, specifically, wouldn’t be deterred by a gun law, it’s true. But making guns, in general, harder to get will make this a once-a-decade event instead of a once-a-month event.

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:38:50pm

re: #49 teleskiguy

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:39:15pm

Hmmm
I don’t recall such a proclamation in response to a recent “terrorist attack”
But, then again, Trump’s base doesn’t reside in NYC

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Kragar  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:39:51pm

re: #49 teleskiguy

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:40:11pm
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makeitstop  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:40:14pm

re: #31 JordanRules

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I want Pop to run for president.

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BigPapa  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:40:26pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

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weave  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:40:41pm

re: #9 electrotek

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Sorry but I’m a bit skeptical on this one.

I can’t find her profile online, and I cropped out her pic and did a Google image search for it and didn’t find any hits either.

I also searched for the text in the image — nothing.

Is there something more than a screenshot of this claim?

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Weaselone  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:41:49pm

re: #53 Kragar

Do these morons not realize that there are actual real life examples of countries with rampant fire arm violence that actually got serious about the issue and all but eliminated said violence?

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dangerman  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:42:05pm

re: #49 teleskiguy

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Why aren’t sellers held to the moronically low reasonable person standard of care?

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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:43:11pm

re: #59 dangerman

Why aren’t sellers held to the moronically low reasonable person standard of care?

BECUZ OF TEH CONSTITION!!! #MAGA

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dangerman  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:43:20pm

re: #53 Kragar

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What i keep saying
Lay it on the sellers

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meteor  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:43:32pm

re: #58 Weaselone

Australia, England, Canada, Japan.

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meteor  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:44:18pm
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Belafon  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:44:31pm

Here in Texas, if you sell your car to someone, you are potentially liable for anything that happens in it until you or the buyer notifies the state that it’s no longer yours. There’s a website you can go to to indication that information, so it’s not all that painful, but there is a requirement.

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dangerman  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:46:33pm

re: #60 teleskiguy

BECUZ OF TEH CONSTITION!!! #MAGA

Where? He asks already knowing where this is heading…

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Kragar  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:47:52pm
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dangerman  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:47:53pm

re: #61 dangerman

What i keep saying
Lay it on the sellers

…who will still be around after the next shooting spree

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:48:05pm

There actually are good guys (and girls) with guns in England. They also have uniforms, badges, body armor, and expert training. Their greatest advantage though is that don’t have to distinguish between armed citizens and actual bad guys before they can ventilate the latter.

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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:49:02pm

re: #68 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Correct me if I’m wrong, but beat cops in England do not carry guns, right?

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Kragar  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:49:29pm

re: #69 teleskiguy

Correct my if I’m wrong, but beat cops in England do not carry guns, right?

Nope, only special response units

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austin_blue  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:50:14pm

re: #69 teleskiguy

Correct my if I’m wrong, but beat cops in England do not carry guns, right?

Correct.

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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:52:07pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:53:50pm

re: #69 teleskiguy

Correct my if I’m wrong, but beat cops in England do not carry guns, right?

More do than used to but it is still not typical. Most jurisdictions do have armed officers immediately available though. This is especially so in big cities like London or Manchester. Detectives and airport police are usually armed as well.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:54:06pm

re: #50 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

He, specifically, wouldn’t be deterred by a gun law, it’s true. But making guns, in general, harder to get will make this a once-a-decade event instead of a once-a-month event. daily event.

There have been as many mass shootings (four or more people) as there are days this year.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:54:21pm

re: #66 Kragar

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:55:52pm

re: #64 Belafon

Here in Texas, if you sell your car to someone, you are potentially liable for anything that happens in it until you or the buyer notifies the state that it’s no longer yours. There’s a website you can go to to indication that information, so it’s not all that painful, but there is a requirement.

As a gun owner, I have no problem with the idea of titling guns the same way you title cars.

Sell the gun, transfer the title. Gun is stolen, you’d better report it (a lot of people don’t).

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:57:41pm

Yup.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:58:02pm

re: #76 Anymouse 🌹

As a gun owner, I have no problem with the idea of titling guns the same way you title cars.

Sell the gun, transfer the title. Gun is stolen, you’d better report it (a lot of people don’t).

That … is actually a damn good idea. I like it.

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:58:21pm

re: #72 teleskiguy

He really should have asked good cancer to help him.

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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:58:39pm

Why aren’t guns treated like cars? Cars have titles and transfer of ownership is tracked. Cars require insurance. Cars require licenses and testing for operation. The same should go for guns.

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Skip Intro  Nov 5, 2017 • 7:59:51pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

2nd amendment, of course.

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:00:12pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

Why aren’t guns treated like cars? Cars have titles and transfer of ownership is tracked. Cars require insurance. Cars require licenses and testing for operation. The same should go for guns.

Because Red Dawn. Which is why I mentioned it in #51.

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dangerman  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:01:47pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

Why aren’t guns treated like cars? Cars have titles and transfer of ownership is tracked. Cars require insurance. Cars require licenses and testing for operation. The same should go for guns.

See your own #60

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:02:08pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

Why aren’t guns treated like cars? Cars have titles and transfer of ownership is tracked. Cars require insurance. Cars require licenses and testing for operation. The same should go for guns.

And cars used to be treated (until the Thirties) as an absolute right to own; the auto club was the NRA of its day, striking down law after law in the courts and with politicians under the rubric of “the right to travel.”

As the carnage of unregistered cars and unlicensed drivers continued to mount, cars went from an absolute right to one of the most highly regulated things in society.

One can hope that the arc of legislation will bend the way cars did with guns, but we’ll have to see. If a GOP congressman getting shot wasn’t enough for even that congressman (Steve Scalise) to have a change of mind, I’m not sure what will.

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austin_blue  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:03:36pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

Why aren’t guns treated like cars? Cars have titles and transfer of ownership is tracked. Cars require insurance. Cars require licenses and testing for operation. The same should go for guns.

Machine guns are tracked like that. Not insurance, and many are collector’s items and are never fired, so operational testing is kind of meh.

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Belafon  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:04:29pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:06:24pm

A 12,500 word paper was written for the Oklahoma Law Review titled “CONSTITUTIONAL LAW: The Orphaned Right: The Right to Travel by Automobile, 1890-1950”

It is a fascinating read on how the automobile went from even more unregulated than guns are today to one of the most highly regulated things you can own.

.pdf behind hide bar.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:08:53pm

HIGHLIGHT:
Abstract
Driving an automobile is a privilege, not a right, according to the prevailing laws of every jurisdiction of the United States. However, this was not always the case. When automobiles were first introduced around the turn of the twentieth century, drivers
relied on common law traditions that protected the right of every person to travel
upon public roadways without a license. Courts repeatedly wrote of an individual’s
“right to travel” by automobile and struck down regulations aimed at limiting the
liberties of automobile drivers on constitutional grounds. With the passage of time,
however, automobile regulators generally prevailed in legislative halls and courtrooms. Today, the public has accepted a degree of travel regulation which would have seemed almost tyrannical to nineteenth century Americans. This paper analyzes this change in common law and suggests that even if most Americans are unaware of it, the change represents a substantial loss of liberty.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:09:07pm
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:10:40pm
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retired cynic  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:11:11pm

re: #90 FormerDirtDart

Don’t they know who he is? He should have had a bigger spoon. A scoop. Two scoops, even.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:11:50pm
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austin_blue  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:12:36pm

re: #92 retired cynic

Don’t they know who he is? He should have had a bigger spoon. A scoop. Two scoops, even.

Gold plated scoops. The best scoops. MAGA!

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:15:54pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:25:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:31:10pm

re: #90 FormerDirtDart

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:34:01pm

List of all the known hoaxes surrounding the church shooting this morning.
buzzfeed.com

A lie gets halfway round the world before the truth gets its boots on, &c.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:34:04pm

Domestic violence and spree shootings go together because they both involve narcissism and rage that have been carefully tended, cultivated a “story” in which the violent actor sees themselves as engaging in self-defense—fists against words—and as taking back power. As such, their acts are either justified as necessary…restoring order to the world…or vengeful defiance. Anger is rewarding and exercise of dominance is fun, so they don’t seek to change the dynamic (and especially, not change themselves), just maximize opportunity. Ideology gets dragged in because merging your ego with God, The Truth, or any other big abstract concept creates a bigger power dynamic.

This is also why corporal punishment goes to shit so often. Technically, there’s a way to use punishment as a learning tool, but it takes enormous discipline and calm on the part of the trainer—guess what a frustrated, desperate parent isn’t? Hence the eternal repeat of “…and I hit them more to make the point more.” The violence becomes catharsis, then becomes entertainment; the specific “lesson” becomes “fear this,” then “fear me,” then “this shuts you up and it’s easy.”

De Sade observed that people will empathize with the torturer rather the tortured, because the latter is difficult and the former is fun. The corollary is that some people will imagine being the torturer or otherwise being in a position where they can act upon another person without limits. Abuse of power is “fun”*—fuck, we’ve just been on a tour of that with Weinstein, Spacey, O’Reilly, et cetera. Motherfuckers (highly technical term) find reasons to hit, a smaller number of motherfuckers with the exact x/y/z plot of personality traits fantasize about applying that same rage—I matter, you don’t—on a broader canvas.

Manifestos, grandiose plans…we should think of them less as statements of motive and intent, and more as porn. They exist so their creator can stimulate themselves—anger and schadenfreude instead of sexual desire. Unfortunately, there’s also a ton of cultural institutions (and I’m talking worldwide) that provide tidy little scripts for how to justify your shitty behavior. You look at ponderous shit like Breivik, or Kaczinsky, and what you’re seeing is an elaborate, ritualized performance of “I get to enjoy killing these people, this is a disciplined, intellectual murder-erection.” It’s all decorations to make that basic, stupid power/sex impulse seem something lofty. All the fucking words are just MeMeMeMe.

There’s actually a whole other rant about how narcissism infests ideology like phages take over cells, explaining, for example, the people who do 180-degree turns—because extremeness means more room to posture as elite, more-smart, more-pure—and how people will take any idea and make it about heads on pikes because they find head-piking arousing**, but the post traumatic stress monkeys are especially loud tonight and I’ve said enough.

*And for the record, no kink shaming intended. What people agree to is an entirely different thing than total license. De Sade would not like the subculture named for him.

** No seriously, ISIS is in many ways a complete hollowing out of jihad-as-concept to create a “do what you like” setup with a small number of sadists governing a captive subject population, loosely sprinkled Sharia applied atop arbitrary violence and sexual abuse. You’re going to have people who like the libertine license, and thus are willing to accept the Islamic coding.

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Citizen K  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:34:37pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Of course not. He probably took credit for making that happen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:38:28pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:41:37pm

re: #99 The Ghost of a Flea

*And for the record, no kink shaming intended. What people agree to is an entirely different thing than total license. De Sade would not like the subculture named for him.

Thank you for not shaming kinks. Without kinks, I wouldn’t have my insignificant editing job or a reason to do massive amounts of research … (uh, wait, that didn’t come out right)

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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:41:39pm

The first mass shooting I remember was Columbine. I was a junior in high school, I was going steady with a gal who went to Columbine her first two years of HS before moving, Columbine is about 100 miles due east of my high school. It was visceral and terrifying, and it was covered in the press for years.

I’ve lived through fuck all amount of mass shootings since then, including the Aurora theater shooting, which was only 10 miles away from where I lived at the time.

I’m numb to this shit. I get mad and post some stuff on Twitter and whatnot, but nothing will come of it. Nothing. And you know what? It’s going to happen again. And soon. Mass shootings are accelerating at a nice clip.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:42:20pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:43:12pm

Mushroom pate with pine nuts and parsley almost done.

Red quinoa about to start.

The theme of the night’s cooking is; fuck, I forgot that was in the pantry.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:43:21pm

re: #103 teleskiguy

The first mass shooting I remember was Columbine. I was a junior in high school, I was going steady with a gal who went to Columbine her first two years of HS before moving, Columbine is about 100 miles due east of my high school. It was visceral and terrifying, and it was covered in the press for years.

I’ve lived through fuck all amount of mass shootings since then, including the Aurora theater shooting, which was only 10 miles away from where I lived at the time.

I’m numb to this shit. I get mad and post some stuff on Twitter and whatnot, but nothing will come of it. Nothing. And you know what? It’s going to happen again. And soon. Mass shootings are accelerating at a nice clip.

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Columbine got to me mostly because, if my dad had a handgun in the house, that damn well could’ve been me. I had a very unpleasant teenage experience as far as white males go, which is to say not all that bad in an absolute sense, but still extremely difficult in a relative sense. It started me down the path of turning away from my wingnut roots.

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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:45:40pm

re: #106 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Have you read Columbine by Dave Cullen? It took him 10 years to write it, and it does the best job of answering that question we always ask when these things happen, why?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:46:46pm

re: #107 teleskiguy

Have you read Columbine by Dave Cullen? It took him 10 years to write it, and it does the best job of answering that question we always ask when these things happen, why?

I have not. It hits a little bit too close to home for me. I was a thousand miles away from the actual physical location of the tragedy, but mentally and emotionally, I was right next door.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:46:53pm

re: #103 teleskiguy

The first mass shooting I remember was Columbine. I was a junior in high school, I was going steady with a gal who went to Columbine her first two years of HS before moving, Columbine is about 100 miles due east of my high school. It was visceral and terrifying, and it was covered in the press for years.

I’ve lived through fuck all amount of mass shootings since then, including the Aurora theater shooting, which was only 10 miles away from where I lived at the time.

I’m numb to this shit. I get mad and post some stuff on Twitter and whatnot, but nothing will come of it. Nothing. And you know what? It’s going to happen again. And soon. Mass shootings are accelerating at a nice clip.

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Jim Wright wrote about this at his blog some time ago. The problem will not be solved because those who have positions on the problem will not compromise.

His solution is to take the National Rifle Association’s own safety rules and write them into law with stiff penalties for violations. The idea there would be to stop the “accidental firearms discharge” (since there is no such thing as an accidental firearms discharge).

Such laws would not stop murders by gun or mass shootings, but it would be a start on ending the carnage caused by so-called accidental discharges.

He also opined that if you tried to implement the NRA’s own safety rules, they would disavow them in a second.

My proposal would be more modest (not alluding to eating the poor here): Eliminate the NRA Headquarter’s rule that it is a gun-free zone.

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whitebeach  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:51:19pm

re: #105 The Ghost of a Flea

Mushroom pate with pine nuts and parsley almost done.

Red quinoa about to start.

The theme of the night’s cooking is; fuck, I forgot that was in the pantry.

Sometimes forgetting is a good and even rational defense mechanism.

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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:51:22pm

re: #109 Anymouse 🌹

I’ve read those essays. I’ll link them here, essential reading.

stonekettle.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:53:03pm

The issue with “gun-free zones prevent good guys from stopping bad guys with guns” is one of the most hypocritical lies the NRA and their conservative legislators tell.

If they really believed that to be true, the NRA Headquarters would be “guns everywhere” not “gun free.” If Republican legislators believed that to be true, the Capitol would be a “guns everywhere” zone.

What I would like to see a Democratic legislator in Washington do? Citing GOP and NRA rhetoric on gun-free zones, introduce legislation to make all Senate and House office buildings, and the Capitol “guns everywhere” zones. When the GOP starts in with “but but but” call out their hypocrisy in every media outlet in the nation.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:54:03pm

re: #105 The Ghost of a Flea

Mushroom pate with pine nuts and parsley almost done.

Red quinoa about to start.

The theme of the night’s cooking is; fuck, I forgot that was in the pantry.

My wife uses that theme a lot. We have a lot of great one-time dishes that she can never repeat.

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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:54:08pm
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Weaselone  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:54:21pm

re: #112 Anymouse 🌹

Don’t leave out the Supreme Court.

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:57:47pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 8:59:21pm

Already on YouTube videos are going up “linking” the Texas murderer to atheists. I am not linking any of those vile videos here, but if you wish to see the list, just type “atheism” into YouTube’s search bar.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:01:46pm

This guy is a non-stop fucking disgrace.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:03:20pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

Who is the white-haired guy standing in the back behind Mr. Abe?

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whitebeach  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:05:10pm

re: #119 Anymouse 🌹

Who is the white-haired guy standing in the back behind Mr. Abe?

Looks like Tillerson, acting koi.

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:05:24pm

re: #119 Anymouse 🌹

I think that’s the entirety of the State Department.

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BigPapa  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:07:18pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

That is the most Trump thing ever. He’s a fucking man child.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:07:33pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:10:09pm

re: #26 austin_blue

Franksgiving?

The best day of the year. Also, you’re welcome.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:12:59pm

re: #110 whitebeach

Sometimes forgetting is a good and even rational defense mechanism.

Tell that to the Lovecraftian okra living in the cheese drawer and knapping rudimentary tools from the old, desiccated baby carrots.

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JordanRules  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:14:11pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

What a dope. Speaking of…that clenched oval meth mouth really gets on my damned nerves!

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:14:54pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:17:10pm

re: #122 BigPapa

That is the most Trump thing ever. He’s a fucking man child.

I’ve met Irish Setters that had better manners & attention spans.

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Kragar  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:18:57pm
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jaunte  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:20:18pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:21:18pm

re: #124 goddamnedfrank

The best day of the year. Also, you’re welcome.

Franksgiving sounds like a holiday invented by Tom Waits. It involves malt liquor, arson, weiner grilling during arson, and an exchange of gunfire with an ex girlfriend who may or may not have strangled a pimp named Tiny Vegas behind a donut shop in Murfreesboro.

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Alyosha  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:22:31pm
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JordanRules  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:22:51pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:28:13pm

For the first time in months I’m drinking whisky on the rocks. Normally I just have a few beers.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:28:55pm

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jaunte  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:29:32pm

Maybe there’s a pattern.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:29:47pm

re: #134 teleskiguy

For the first time in months I’m drinking whisky on the rocks. Normally I just have a few beers.

I’m with my usual: Sailor Jerry’s rum in Kool-Aid. (Light on the rum, because epilepsy medication.)

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BigPapa  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:30:14pm

re: #131 The Ghost of a Flea

Franksgiving sounds like a holiday invented by Tom Waits. It involves malt liquor, arson, weiner grilling during arson, and an exchange of gunfire with an ex girlfriend who may or may not have strangled a pimp named Tiny Vegas behind a donut shop in Murfreesboro.

Don’t be ridiculous. Tiny was strangled behind a Jamba Juice in West Hollywood.

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Kragar  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:31:07pm

re: #134 teleskiguy

WHISKEY!!

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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:33:07pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:34:30pm

Franksgiving.

See also:

Franken New Year.
Frankendents’ Day.
Good Frankenday.
Frankster.
Indefranken Day.
Thanksfranken Day.
Christfrank Day.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:37:10pm
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whitebeach  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:43:34pm

re: #128 goddamnedfrank

I’ve met Irish Setters that have better manners & attention spans.

Hell, I’ve met wire-haired fox terriers that have better manners and attention spans than Trump. In fact, I’ve never met one that didn’t.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:46:32pm
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whitebeach  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:46:34pm

re: #125 The Ghost of a Flea

Tell that to the Lovecraftian okra living in the cheese drawer and knapping rudimentary tools from the old, desiccated baby carrots.

I’m beginning to see that supper at your place is not the usual burger and fries.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:47:48pm

re: #131 The Ghost of a Flea

You ain’t had a proper weiner until you had one cooked over the smoldering ashes of the Levittown two-and-a-half bathroom pile you sank all the dreams of your 20s and 30s into. You can really taste the couch you slopped bourbon for three years while the wife figured out whether she loved you or the trucker with the hammer dulcimer more.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:54:27pm

As the essay I linked at re: #88 Anymouse 🌹, at one time the American Automobile Association (think NRA) and the American Wheelmen’s Association (now defunct, think Gun Owners of America) were two of the most powerful lobby groups in America.

It took decades, but they lost. The carnage became too great for average Americans.

It looks bleak, but the NRA is also fighting a rearguard action. They will lose. The overwhelming majority of Americans do not own guns. Enough will demand that they not be held hostage to the minority who do that politicians will see supporting the majority becomes a winning strategy despite the money of the NRA. The NRA is not the US Mint: They are not made of limitless money.

At that point the NRA becomes advocates for sane rules and regulations (like the AAA) or they go extinct (like the American Wheelmen.)

We are partway through that now. It took a generation or two to change the culture around automobile ownership. Likewise, it took the same around drunken driving. The change will come with gun culture - not to ban guns, but to require responsible ownership of them.

Responsible gun owners (that would include people like me) would prefer to see the irresponsible and criminal held to account. We don’t want them in our ranks. The alternative is a free-for-all with guns.

Like the maladministration currently in Washington, there is a limit to how far the pendulum will swing on guns. What was ruled by the Supreme Court can be overruled by the Supreme Court.

Supreme Court rulings can be challenged with new legislation.

Elections have consequences. All elections.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:56:31pm

re: #125 The Ghost of a Flea

Tell that to the Lovecraftian okra living in the cheese drawer and knapping rudimentary tools from the old, desiccated baby carrots.

You could write for my erotic Romance publisher. /s

Rudimentary tools and old, dessicated baby carrots could figure prominently in a BDSM novel.

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austin_blue  Nov 5, 2017 • 9:58:10pm

re: #148 Anymouse 🌹

You could write for my erotic Romance publisher. /s

Rudimentary tools and old, dessicated baby carrots could figure prominently in a BDSM novel.

Bull pizzles.

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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:01:47pm
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austin_blue  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:03:34pm

Night all. Happy Indictment Eve!

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:04:37pm

re: #148 Anymouse 🌹

Make Lovecraft, not Warcraft.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:05:16pm

re: #149 austin_blue

Bull pizzles.

Pizzles don’t figure in our novels: There are places even self-respecting authors and editors won’t go.

Bull fry (testicles) however, don’t wind up in novels, they wind up on plates at our local restaurant. My wife loves eating those. As this is a family-oriented Website …

uz7Br9jnJSWBq/8lQ2tLfIbxXxYbfEaAMFoB1pHPNnMhzRFkhRvSPbUlqI9MmOFToJnAWDcfowL74bUAc8UujAsuZo4WIQoerEzOL/2gt5FOMlolcFSz3B6alsKxIm8+RUxpqBjI7sCRoUmncX2SvFtuciqn1CK2gDqfkxfsmsforshDwWMM/dYjYoFIS1TrJcD9eV/LGlC8mZ0uSG5GLVnWE98eIMYuewItNVod7ZOcKteB1tEICZVCpcnHRke2

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whitebeach  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:05:27pm

re: #148 Anymouse 🌹

You could write for my erotic Romance publisher. /s

Rudimentary tools and old, dessicated baby carrots could figure prominently in a BDSM novel.

re: #149 austin_blue

Bull pizzles.

Rhinoceros pizzles were good enough for Thomas Pynchon and should be good enough for the likes of us.

And on that note, I think it’s way past time to say goodnight.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:08:30pm

re: #154 whitebeach

Rhinoceros pizzles were good enough for Thomas Pynchon and should be good enough for the likes of us.

And on that note, I think it’s way past time to say goodnight.

Yikes. I can’t imagine eating pizzles of any sort. (I don’t run across that word much; the denizens of Little Green Footballs continually surprise me.)

I could see that on a hot dog bun with relish and mustard and onions …

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:08:32pm

re: #84 Anymouse 🌹

And cars used to be treated (until the Thirties) as an absolute right to own; the auto club was the NRA of its day, striking down law after law in the courts and with politicians under the rubric of “the right to travel.”

As the carnage of unregistered cars and unlicensed drivers continued to mount, cars went from an absolute right to one of the most highly regulated things in society.

One can hope that the arc of legislation will bend the way cars did with guns, but we’ll have to see. If a GOP congressman getting shot wasn’t enough for even that congressman (Steve Scalise) to have a change of mind, I’m not sure what will.

The only thing that will lead to a change is not a change in minds but a change of personnel: Democrats attain both the Presidency and complete control of Congress including substantially more than 60 Senators — maybe 2/3rds of both houses. I cannot imagine what would change minds of the GOP.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:09:26pm

re: #156 Hecuba’s daughter

The only thing that will lead to a change is not a change in minds but a change of personnel: Democrats attain both the Presidency and complete control of Congress including substantially more than 60 Senators — maybe 2/3rds of both houses. I cannot imagine what would change minds of the GOP.

Getting voted out of office. Ballot carnage can do wonders to entrenched political positions.

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JordanRules  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:18:02pm

Huh?

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whitebeach  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:18:58pm

re: #155 Anymouse 🌹

Yikes. I can’t imagine eating pizzles of any sort. (I don’t run across that word much; the denizens of Little Green Footballs continually surprise me.)

I could see that on a hot dog bun with relish and mustard and onions …

Um, no. The pizzles are stretched and cured and used as whips, which accords with your BDSM reference and is what I, and Pynchon, and I’m pretty sure austin_blue, meant. And now, definitely, goodnight and sweet lizardish dreams.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:22:18pm

First world problems. Of note, I don’t think my car is made “ugly” by having a front license plate.

My Solution to the Front License Plate Law

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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:26:22pm

re: #126 JordanRules

What a dope. Speaking of…that clenched oval meth mouth really gets on my damned nerves!

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fern01  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:30:11pm

re: #9 electrotek

Of course something was seriously wrong with him - he’s a white guy - they have issues that trump was going to solve for them.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:32:17pm

This trip is shaping up to be an epic goddamned disaster.

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fern01  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:34:53pm

re: #37 jaunte

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And that good guy with a gun would be shot by the police.

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JordanRules  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:36:04pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:36:33pm

re: #163 goddamnedfrank

I wonder what mangled juxtaposition Fuckface Von Clownstick will make when he’s visiting with Xi Jinping.

YOU KNOW, CHYYNA HAS A BIG BEAUTIFUL WALL, YOU CAN SEE IT FROM SPACE, TREMENDOUS WALL. I’M BUILDING A WALL RIGHT NOW, AS WE SPEAK, A WALL LIKE THE GREAT WALL, HERE, IN CHINA, THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA, THE MASSIVENESS IS YUGE, YOU CAN SEE IT FROM SPACE. WHEN MY WALL’S DONE YOU’LL BE ABLE TO SEE MY WALL FROM SPACE TOO.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:37:37pm

Now playing on Spotify: “An Atheist Album” by Shelley Segal: Saved

open.spotify.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:52:50pm

re: #6 BigPapa

You weren’t even ‘that’ right wing. Not even close to today’s cretins.

The reason I came here, even when the site was still much more right, was that you could find reasoned arguments with rational people. That ability is something the Right has lost in the meantime.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:58:46pm

re: #58 Weaselone

Do these morons not realize that there are actual real life examples of countries with rampant fire arm violence that actually got serious about the issue and all but eliminated said violence?

american exceptionalism

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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2017 • 10:59:12pm

re: #168 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Why I stayed. Rationality. TBH, I thought this place was crawling with fanatics the first few years I started reading LGF, but I kept coming back ‘cause every now and again I would run into folks like freetoken and Shiplord Kirel and Alouette and wrenchwench, who were and still are very rational people. Charles made his break with the right and CuriousLurker (RIP Aminah) started really punching things up!

I’ve been reading the joint for 13 some odd years. There’s no other website that I have visited so often, not even close.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 11:02:03pm

re: #170 teleskiguy

Why I stayed. Rationality. TBH, I thought this place was crawling with fanatics the first few years I started reading LGF, but I kept coming back ‘cause every now and again I would run into folks like freetoken and Shiplord Kirel and Alouette and wrenchwench, who were and still are very rational people. Charles made his break with the right and CuriousLurker (RIP Aminah) started really punching things up!

I’ve been reading the joint for 13 some odd years. There’s no other website that I have visited so often, not even close.

I am so very glad to have found all of you here. Y’all are reasonable and rational people. I wish more of you lived here so I could buy you all the potent potables of your choice.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 5, 2017 • 11:02:09pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

Was Trump seriously unaware that Japanese vehicles are, in fact, built in the USA? This has been common knowledge for quite some time; indeed, it’s often pointed out as an example of Japanese business acumen.

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JordanRules  Nov 5, 2017 • 11:03:07pm

re: #170 teleskiguy

I’m fascinated with the history of this place and so surprised (and happy) that I landed here.

Like Anymouse, it would be hard for me to imagine coming here later had I peeked in before.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2017 • 11:06:25pm

re: #170 teleskiguy

Why I stayed. Rationality. TBH, I thought this place was crawling with fanatics the first few years I started reading LGF, but I kept coming back ‘cause every now and again I would run into folks like freetoken and Shiplord Kirel and Alouette and wrenchwench, who were and still are very rational people. Charles made his break with the right and CuriousLurker (RIP Aminah) started really punching things up!

I’ve been reading the joint for 13 some odd years. There’s no other website that I have visited so often, not even close.

Yes, I came on board around 2007, just as the site started shifting. And stayed on for much the same reasons as you cited.

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teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2017 • 11:08:06pm

re: #174 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, I came on board around 2007, just as the site started shifting. And stayed on for much the same reasons as you cited.

I strictly lurked (registration was closed most of the time) until 2008 when I found a window of open registration. Oh how excited I was to register that day! I had my name picked out and everything!

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JordanRules  Nov 5, 2017 • 11:12:46pm

re: #172 Dr Lizardo

Yes. He’s unaware of basic things too, so knowing the auto industry evolution is far above his grasp. He is absolutely clueless in so many ways. The only things he ever “read” over the years were about him. The language he uses, especially for business matters, is very indicative of his arrested development, narcissism and privilege cocoon.

Let me just throw in a gratuitous ‘Thanks Obama’ since we’re talking auto industry.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 5, 2017 • 11:19:49pm

re: #176 JordanRules

Yes. He’s unaware of basic things too, so knowing the auto industry evolution is far above his grasp. He is absolutely clueless is so many ways. The only things he ever “read” over the years were about him. The language he uses, especially for business matters, is very indicative of his arrested development, narcissism and privilege cocoon.

Let me just throw in a gratuitous ‘Thanks Obama’ since we’re talking auto industry.

Unbelievable. Really.

IIRC, Toyota was one of the first (perhaps the first) to set up a design bureau in the Los Angeles area - I think it’s been moved somewhere else now - to design cars specifically for the US market.

Trump is a colossal ignoramus. It’s entirely possible we’ve never had someone so monumentally benighted as POTUS.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2017 • 11:22:36pm

re: #177 Dr Lizardo

Unbelievable.

Trump is a colossal ignoramus. It’s entirely possible we’ve never had someone so monumentally benighted as POTUS.

It is an indication that we have never had such a dysfunctional political system and such a poorly educated and informed electorate.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 5, 2017 • 11:24:59pm

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is an indication that we have never had such a dysfunctional political system and such a poorly educated and informed electorate.

Well, when a rather sizeable chunk of the population seems to be under the impression that our planet is less than 10,000 years old, I guess Trump is what we get.

*sigh*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2017 • 11:26:34pm

re: #179 Dr Lizardo

Well, when a rather sizeable chunk of the population seems to be under the impression that our planet is less than 10,000 years old, I guess Trump is what we get.

*sigh*

Famous George Carlin quote: “Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember that half of them are stupider than that”.

Now, imagine system in which the stupid half control a majority of the electoral vote.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 11:32:13pm

re: #175 teleskiguy

I strictly lurked (registration was closed most of the time) until 2008 when I found a window of open registration. Oh how excited I was to register that day! I had my name picked out and everything!

Same here when I registered in 2015. I’d lurked here since Huffington Post had its article documenting the shift of LGF (that article made me aware of Mr. Johnson’s site). It took some time to catch an open registration period here. I am glad I did.

Y’all are cool. (Sloppy hugs all around. Offer void if rejected.)

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JordanRules  Nov 5, 2017 • 11:35:20pm

re: #177 Dr Lizardo

As bad as Dubya was, and he was horrible, I was reassured by the nepotistic dynamics. It was a dysfunctional last ditch security blanket for sure. Im not into his rehabilitation at all. But I had hope that there was a faction in his Admin that was wedded to American democracy and institutions. Just enough of American exceptionalism to avoid global disaster I guess. The regime now doesn’t give a damn about America and as logically follows, they dont give a damn about the whole world.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2017 • 11:40:03pm

re: #182 JordanRules

As bad as Dubya was, and he was horrible, I was reassured by the nepotistic dynamics. It was a dysfunctional last ditch security blanket for sure. Im not into his rehabilitation at all.

Rehabilitation is not the word, it is just that he now comes across as a competent, experienced politician in comparison to the current President. And he was at least sincere in his beliefs and principles. And I even agreed with his views on immigration reform, which, of course, his own party refused to back him on.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 5, 2017 • 11:40:38pm

It’s officially cold at Chez Tumbleweed. The second snowfall of the season is underway here. (We were getting freezing rain, but the temperature dropped to 0C/32F … it’s now snow.)

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 5, 2017 • 11:41:11pm

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Famous George Carlin quote: “Think of how stupid the average person is, and remember that half of them are stupider than that”.

Now, imagine system in which the stupid half control a majority of the electoral vote.

I’ve often wondered whether there’s a correlation between hardcore religious belief and susceptibility to misinformation or outright disinformation; it would seem to me that people who are particularly hardcore in their beliefs are basically primed to believe in almost anything (as long as it fits their general worldview) despite the most overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It would explain why so many of those folks so easily fall for conspiracy theories.

Mind you, I’m not talking about your average person who maybe goes to church on Easter or Christmas or for a wedding ceremony - I’m talking about those individuals who are essentially borderline fanatics about their beliefs.

Of course, it’s not just religious beliefs….indeed, fanaticism has been seen in more secular matters.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2017 • 11:42:57pm

re: #184 Anymouse 🌹

It’s officially cold at Chez Tumbleweed. The second snowfall of the season is underway here. (We were getting freezing rain, but the temperature dropped to 0C/32F … it’s now snow.)

I actually welcome the cold snap here on the Rhine (not quite down to freezing) as it has helped the fruit fly situation: the wine makers dump their pressed grapes back out into the vineyards as fertilizer. The fruit flies were breeding like mad during our balmy spell last week and were quite bothersome, any fruit or beverages left out attracted them in droves.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2017 • 11:45:16pm

re: #185 Dr Lizardo

I’ve often wondered whether there’s a correlation between hardcore religious belief and susceptibility to misinformation or outright disinformation; it would seem to me that people who are particularly hardcore in their beliefs are basically primed to believe in almost anything (as long as it fits their general worldview) despite the most overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It would explain why so many of those folks so easily fall for conspiracy theories.

These people are taught to believe in Higher Truths that are immune to facts. And if the Higher Truth is that Obama is Not Our Legally Elected President or Hillary is a Criminal, then they will accept any sort of wild, fact-free conspiracy theories that support those beliefs.

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JordanRules  Nov 5, 2017 • 11:51:20pm

re: #183 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

His approval rating is much better right now. A bridge too far for me. I don’t need to do that to note he’s a more competent, experienced leader than this dolt. Damn near anyone on LGF is more competent and Junior literally did have more political experience.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 5, 2017 • 11:52:51pm

re: #158 JordanRules

Huh?

Depression is the easiest thing to diagnose, because it’s got the simplest indicators of the psychological conditions and most people don’t struggle to articulate those symptoms. Whereas people with more complex issues may not have the language, self-awareness to articulate more complex feelings of fear, anger, et cetera…or view them as “normal” because there’s a cultural model of what your internal life should be like.

Depression is also an outcome—a secondary infection, if you will—of other psychological issues. Anxious or stressed people get exhausted and experience depression; people constantly “lose” paths to things they want (goals) and experience loss, and sometimes that loss is big enough they ruminate on it. Why someone is depressed has no set script. People that tick higher on narcissism and sociopathy get depressed because they don’t understand why the world won’t let them have exactly what they fucking want when they want it. Serial killers want fucked up things and get sad when they can’t do their exact Fucked Up Thing that gratifies them.

If Paddock was depressed, it doesn’t tell us much unless we know the larger issue of why, and even then it’s not necessarily an explanation for what he did.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 5, 2017 • 11:55:37pm

re: #189 The Ghost of a Flea

Depression is the easiest thing to diagnose, because it’s got the simplest indicators of the psychological conditions and most people don’t struggle to articulate those symptoms. Whereas people with more complex issues may not have the language, self-awareness to articulate more complex feelings of fear, anger, et cetera…or view them as “normal” because there’s a cultural model of what your internal life should be like.

Winston Chruchill call it “the black dog” and I recall bouts of it hitting me even at times when things seemed to be going entirely well and I had nothing to be particularly down about.

Odd thing, that.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 12:11:00am

If it comes to pass, where’s the GoFundMe?

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Kragar  Nov 6, 2017 • 12:14:00am

Cadian Shock Troops

“Any Cadian who can’t field-strip his own lasgun by age ten was born on the wrong planet.”
—Anonymous

On uncountable fronts the Cadians meted out as much punishment as they received — obliterating waves of Chaos worshippers with creeping artillery barrages and dogged tank formations, and bringing down colossal daemonic beasts with sheer weight of las-fire. Despite their heroic defiance, Cadia — which for ten standard millennia had stood as the bulwark against the denizens of the Warp — was consumed by a cataclysmic firestorm when Abaddon sent his crippled Blackstone Fortress Pillars of Eternity crashing onto its surface. The planet was beyond saving, its defenders powerless against the hordes of daemons surging forth to claim the once-defiant world.

Though their home planet was utterly sundered, the resolve of the Cadians has not been not broken. Veteran survivors of the last battle for Cadia, along with regiments of their kinsmen scattered across war zones throughout the galaxy, now fight even more doggedly against the enemies of the Imperium. Whole generations of Shock Troopers are born, raised and trained en route to war zones, and soldiers from other worlds with the mettle to withstand Cadian training are inducted into their ranks. The mantra “Cadia Stands!” which was oft repeated during the planet’s final violent days by the legendary Cadian commander Ursarker E. Creed, has gained purchase within the officer corps and amongst the platoons. For Cadia does indeed stand, as long as a single Cadian soldier continues to fight.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 6, 2017 • 12:15:21am

re: #190 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Winston Chruchill call it “the black dog” and I recall bouts of it hitting me even at times when things seemed to be going entirely well and I had nothing to be particularly down about.

Odd thing, that.

Subconscious associations mean that a percept or a concept indirectly could remind you of something that triggers depression or distress that leads to depression. There’s no A is A in our brains, and our emotions often pull harder on the interconnections of thoughts than our sapient bits.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 12:16:59am

Off-topic:

How to calculate pi from the license plates you encounter on the highway (hat tip to my wife for finding this):

Euler’s Pi Prime Product and Riemann’s Zeta Function

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Kragar  Nov 6, 2017 • 12:19:59am

“And what I mean by that is he’s using his own incompetence as his defense,” he said. “That is the Trump Card. And the worrying thing here is that it may work for Trump.”

“We cannot accept the Trump Card as his defense here, because if we do, just think about what we’d actually be saying there, we’d be saying, ‘Look this is guy is too dumb to really understand what he’s doing. So I guess we have no choice but to let him keep being president.”

“Let’s not do that,” he concluded.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 12:30:52am

This video won’t play for me. Can any of y’all see it and advise?

I don’t need this gaffe. He’ll give us another tomorrow. I would like to know if this got pushed out without the whole story though.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 6, 2017 • 12:49:18am

re: #196 JordanRules

It ran for me. Abe poured his out first and Dotard followed suit.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 12:52:47am

re: #197 Dave In Austin

Cool, thanks Dave!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 6, 2017 • 12:58:37am

The koi pond feeding isn’t the embarrassment. Trump’s fly is.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 1:01:53am

re: #193 The Ghost of a Flea

Subconscious associations mean that a percept or a concept indirectly could remind you of something that triggers depression or distress that leads to depression. There’s no A is A in our brains, and our emotions often pull harder on the interconnections of thoughts than our sapient bits.

Yes, my mind is full of odd interconnections (whenever I climb stairs two or three steps at a time I automatically think of George Harrison, for example)

Just split up with my girlfriend of over four years. We were very close and spent more days together over the past four years than we ever did apart, and phoned or lat least messaged almost every day that we did not see each other…

I am sure I will recover from this, the trick is just not hitting bottom so hard that I break instead of bounce.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2017 • 1:13:29am

re: #199 GlutenFreeJesus

The koi pond feeding isn’t the embarrassment. Trump’s fly is.

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Kinda hard for me to see…..is the barn door open or something?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 1:15:24am

Japanese culture is about displaying grace and elegance, not about being pompous or ostentatious…do not expect DT to grasp that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 1:17:25am

re: #191 JordanRules

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If it comes to pass, where’s the GoFundMe?

I’d try to scrape up a couple bucks. There are things that you must sacrifice for.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 6, 2017 • 1:27:51am

re: #201 Dr Lizardo

Kinda hard for me to see…..is the barn door open or something?

It looks … damp.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 1:30:08am

re: #204 wheat-dogg

I’m not seeing it. Thought maybe the seam looked re-sewn but really I’m not seeing anything odd.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Nov 6, 2017 • 1:30:43am

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

If you think about it…

Japanese businesses hire American workers to build a product that Americans then buy from the Japanese. American businesses hire Chinese workers to build a product that Americans buy from the Americans.

It would be funny but…

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Nov 6, 2017 • 1:42:10am

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

This guy is a non-stop fucking disgrace.

I can finally use a line I read in a book many years ago that has always stuck in my mind (regarding Trump going anywhere):

His arrival is akin to dropping a turd in a Ming vase.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 1:45:14am

re: #206 Odie Hugh Manatee

If you think about it…

Japanese businesses hire American workers to build a product that Americans then buy from the Japanese. American businesses hire Chinese workers to build a product that Americans buy from the Americans.

It would be funny but…

point is that international trade is to complex and interconnected to reduce it to slogans like “America First”.

I certainly agree that a great deal of international trade is not conducted in the interest of America, but that is because our legislation and financial regulation do nothing to encourage companies to act in ways that benefit American workers and consumers.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 6, 2017 • 1:53:39am

re: #202 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Japanese culture is about displaying grace and elegance, not about being pompous or ostentatious…do not expect DT to grasp that.

To be fair, Trump aligns almost perfectly with Japan’s concept of the average American—loud and stupid—so many are thrilled to witness the real thing unrestrained.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 1:56:02am

re: #209 Barefoot Grin

To be fair, Trump aligns almost perfectly with Japan’s concept of the average American—loud and stupid—so many are thrilled to witness the real thing unrestrained.

and one whose understanding of Japanese culture is limited to “a nation of Samurai warriors”…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 6, 2017 • 1:59:14am

re: #201 Dr Lizardo

It’s like a 2’ long barn door. Looks like a Velcro fly to me. lol

Yes. This is trivial BS. But after all we’ve been through with this clown, we deserve it!

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fern01  Nov 6, 2017 • 2:23:21am

And the media has to stop the wall to wall coverage of these gun deaths - which is 100% what the perpetrators want - their moment of fame.

Meanwhile the president* is showing his ignorance to other world leaders and sampling US cuisine in each country he visits. No taste, no class & definitely minimal brain - and he doesn’t think guns had anything to do with the Church deaths in congress Texas (no idea where congress came from??)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 2:25:55am

re: #212 fern01

And the media has to stop the wall to wall coverage of these gun deaths - which is 100% what the perpetrators want - their moment of fame.

Meanwhile the president* is showing his ignorance to other world leaders and sampling US cuisine in each country he visits.

at least he did not try and eat the fish food

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fern01  Nov 6, 2017 • 2:26:55am

re: #213 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

at least he did not try and eat the fish food

ROFL - the bar just got lower.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 2:30:00am

89 K Karma…only 11K to go until I hit the hundred mil mark!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 2:34:06am

So the big press narrative surrounding the Texas shooting is about the “heroes” who fired at and pursued the gunman…although admirable, this should not be necessary at all in the first place in any civilized society.

One where “more guns!” is not the answer to an epidemic of mass murders.

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2017 • 2:49:34am

I had one of my cynical moments earlier and realized the push for more/stricter gun laws was sort of a futile quest because wingnuts at the state and local levels won’t even enforce the ones on the books now. The proof is in the pudding: Despite Kelley receiving judicial punishment that should have permanently barred him from purchasing a firearm, he still managed to get a rifle he could use to snuff out almost 30 lives. And the number of ways he could have done so that would be perfectly legal in Texas are such that there’s no one law we could pass that would prevent such. Why? Because laws don’t matter if the authorities will find ways not to enforce them or purposefully handicap those who do in the name of “freedom.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 3:01:26am

re: #217 Targetpractice

and yes, no laws could ultimately prevent a criminal from obtaining guns, but they could certainly deter one…but that maxim applies to any law

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2017 • 3:04:44am

re: #218 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and yes, no laws could ultimately prevent a criminal from obtaining guns, but they could certainly deter one…but that maxim applies to any law

I’m looking at the reality right now that we can’t be sure whether he obtained his rifle through a straw purchase, a gun show, or just utilized the loophole in Texas law that allows purchase of a long gun without a background check. Hell, for all we know, it could be another Dylann Roof situation where the paperwork to bar him from buying a gun never got submitted or processed. All the ways in which he could have obtained that rifle put to lie this whole idea that wingnuts support laws that prevent felons from buying guns.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 6, 2017 • 3:10:09am

c’est quoi cette merde?

Ok, badass and advanced age I will admit to, but where do they get this French stuff?

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teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2017 • 3:27:56am
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wheat-dogg  Nov 6, 2017 • 3:29:28am

re: #220 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Clickbait website, filling in the blanks with random entries from a database. Ignore it.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 6, 2017 • 3:40:27am

re: #220 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

c’est quoi cette merde?

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Ok, badass and advanced age I will admit to, but where do they get this French stuff?

You have savoir faire, non? A certain, je ne sais quoi….

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teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2017 • 3:43:58am
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 6, 2017 • 3:44:31am

I just watched the video of Trump and Abe feeding koi. Yes, Abe threw his in first and then Trump followed his lead. For honesty’s sake.

afpbb.com

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2017 • 4:11:33am

I just look at the way Trump is acting in Japan and remember when the biggest diplomatic embarrassment committed by a US president there was puking on their PM.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 4:15:41am

re: #225 Barefoot Grin

I just watched the video of Trump and Abe feeding koi. Yes, Abe threw his in first and then Trump followed his lead. For honesty’s sake.

afpbb.com

Things like this seem to grab an undue share of attention while the real damage he is doing to our country goes ignored or underreported.

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Weaselone  Nov 6, 2017 • 4:21:46am

re: #227 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Things like this seem to grab an undue share of attention while the real damage he is doing to our country goes ignored or underreported.

1. Our media is full of morons
2. Vast swaths of the media prefer optics to analysis and objectivity. The sell eyeballs and page clicks, not information.

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2017 • 4:22:17am

Wasn’t even worried about the whole koi business, mostly because I think the “samurai” remark will be enough to scorch US-Japanese relations for awhile. As well as giving the far-right branch of Japanese politics a raging stiffy because they’ll interpret that remark, as well as his interrupting Abe to say the Japanese will be able to shoot down Nork missiles with US tech, as an implicit endorsement of further militarization.

He’s the greatest gift one could imagine for the Japanese nationalist movement: A US president who not only criticizes the country for failure to live up to its heritage, but promises he’s gonna sell the latest and greatest weapons to Japan if they just ask.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 4:26:58am

re: #229 Targetpractice

He’s the greatest gift one could imagine for the Japanese nationalist movement: A US president who not only criticizes the country for failure to live up to its heritage, but promises he’s gonna sell the latest and greatest weapons to Japan if they just ask.

Samurai and bushido are one aspect of Japan’s heritage, which it tried to put to bed over a century ago…it flared up again and led to WW2 and untold suffering and loss for Japan. But to Trump, Sumo, Samurai and sushi seems to be all he understands about them.

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2017 • 4:29:43am

re: #230 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Samurai and bushido are one aspect of Japan’s heritage, which it tried to put to bed over a century ago…it flared up again and led to WW2 and untold suffering and loss for Japan. But to Trump, Sumo, Samurai and sushi seems to be all he understands about them.

It’s really fitting that the walking stereotype of “The Ugly American” goes abroad and can’t believe that the worst doesn’t live up to the stereotypes that he’s been fed for years.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 6, 2017 • 4:39:02am

re: #227 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Things like this seem to grab an undue share of attention while the real damage he is doing to our country goes ignored or underreported.

Absolutely. As someone noted here, I think, his “cut, cut, cut Act” is really designed only with his own interests in mind (of course, many others fall into his category). It’s going to do real damage if enacted.

And the TPP, while not perfect, was designed to at least slow down or offset China’s total domination of the region and more. Now it’s full-speed ahead. Trump will be powerless to do much more than work secret deals for more patents and access to Trump brand items in the Chinese market in exchange for broad acquiescence.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 6, 2017 • 4:41:21am

re: #230 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Samurai and bushido are one aspect of Japan’s heritage, which it tried to put to bed over a century ago…it flared up again and led to WW2 and untold suffering and loss for Japan. But to Trump, Sumo, Samurai and sushi seems to be all he understands about them.

The entire SCAP/Occupation project was premised on uprooting and destroying the quasi-bushido ideology that informed the Imperial Army and Navy. I thought MacArthur was one of Trump’s favorites. He’d probably shove that corncob pipe up Trump’s ass.

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I cannot.  Nov 6, 2017 • 4:41:32am

They’re going to be building Jaegers to invade us after this wreck…

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2017 • 4:43:42am

I know all the jokes about Trump’s tiny hands, but has anyone noticed that he also has really tiny feet? I mean like how can he even balance himself on his liddle’ feet?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 4:56:27am

re: #235 The Vicious Babushka

I know all the jokes about Trump’s tiny hands, but has anyone noticed that he also has really tiny feet? I mean like how can he even balance himself on his liddle’ feet?

as long as he’s still Willin’

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wheat-dogg  Nov 6, 2017 • 4:57:18am

re: #235 The Vicious Babushka

I know all the jokes about Trump’s tiny hands, but has anyone noticed that he also has really tiny feet? I mean like how can he even balance himself on his liddle’ feet?

That’s why he needs that golf cart. He may end being the first US president to use a Hoveround in the White House.

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:03:10am

Has this been posted yet?

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wheat-dogg  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:07:07am

For you Gamergater veterans, we’re having a similar pile-on here in China, with a vlogger named Naomi Wu ( a pseudonym, BTW) as the target.

Naomi dresses provocatively and had her boobs enlarged, so she’s quite a striking figure. As such, the male-dominated maker community assumes she’s dimbulb and are now questioning whether she has really made the projects she exhibits on her YouTube channel. Plus, they’re making it hard for her to attend maker conferences.

Here’s a sample of the shit she’s facing.

TBH, once you get past her anime-inspired appearance, she’s clearly knowledgeable and handy with tools and coding. She was an English major who fell into coding and making, and now champions girls who want to enter those fields.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:07:29am

re: #50 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

He, specifically, wouldn’t be deterred by a gun law, it’s true. But making guns, in general, harder to get will make this a once-a-decade event instead of a once-a-month event.

Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding. Ding.

This. A million times this. That’s how other civilized, western democracies work.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:24:49am

Having just visited Tokyo and used its amazing metro system, I can attest that this serpentine mass of train lines works amazingly well.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:33:23am

Morning everyone. Can’t really say it is a good one. Too much loss of life, too much bullshit.

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jeffreyw  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:43:58am

Imgur


Good morning!

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wheat-dogg  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:44:49am

I’m trying to find uplifting stuff on Twitter that doesn’t involve cute animals. It exists.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:45:47am

re: #244 wheat-dogg

Not that I don’t like cute animals. It’s just that there’s so many of them!

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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:48:17am

This aged well.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:56:28am

re: #246 Dr. Matt

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:03:00am
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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:04:25am

re: #160 Anymouse 🌹

He wants to hide his front license plate for when he brings his Subaru Impreza to car shows. That is of course after receiving three $90 tickets for not displaying his front license plate.
I know I want to go look at stock Subaru Imprezas when I go to car shows.
/

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Sir John Barron  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:05:01am

re: #246 Dr. Matt

This aged well.

Governor 2A.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:07:29am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:10:55am

re: #251 FormerDirtDart

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What I want to know is why the President’s son in law and not the Secretary of State or Ambassador to Japan is meeting with the Japanese FM. Someone needs to press on this.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:15:40am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

What I want to know is why the President’s son in law and not the Secretary of State or Ambassador to Japan is meeting with the Japanese FM. Someone needs to press on this.

Don’t expect the bought and paid for Presstitutes to do that. They’re too busy bashing Hillary again!

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:20:58am
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:22:32am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:23:21am

re: #254 FormerDirtDart

There’s gonna have to be hell to pay for the Russians for this shit.

Almost tempts me to run for POTUS; after all, if Trump can pull it off and win, who’s to say I can’t do it?

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wheat-dogg  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:24:15am

Short version: Leaders in Japan, South Korea and China are prepared to coddle Trump and make him feel important, while simultaneously maneuvering him to agree to polices favorable to them and the Asian countries in general.

And, while Trump’s Twitter feed can be alarming, there’s this halfway reassuring analysis:

America’s relationships in Asia remain vulnerable to Mr Trump’s Twitter feed. But as Aaron Connelly of the Lowy Institute in Sydney points out, Mr Trump and the bomb-throwers who promised a radical shift to an “America First” approach to foreign policy have made little headway. He puts that down to inexperience, the president’s feeble grasp of foreign affairs, the ease with which he is distracted and his failure to fill important foreign-policy positions with fellow travellers (or, often, with anyone at all). As a result, policy on Asia remains largely in the hands of centrists steeped in America’s long-standing alliances. Most notably, they believe in more or less the same approach—deterrence—as the previous administrations towards an increasingly troubling North Korea. American policy in Asia is on autopilot.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:24:28am

re: #253 Joe Bacon 🌹

Upding for “Presstitutes”

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:27:39am

re: #255 FormerDirtDart

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:28:41am
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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:32:16am

re: #260 FormerDirtDart

From the article:

The suspect, who fled in a car, crashed and was later found dead in his vehicle in Guadalupe County, according to authorities. It’s unclear whether he died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound or whether he was shot by another person, officials said.

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:32:48am

re: #260 FormerDirtDart

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Cue the wingnuts insisting this is part of a “cover-up,” that the authorities figured out that he died from the “good guy’s bullet” and don’t want folks to find that out because they’d lose faith in law enforcement.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:37:01am

re: #262 Targetpractice

Cue the wingnuts insisting this is part of a “cover-up,” that the authorities figured out that he died from the “good guy’s bullet” and don’t want folks to find that out because they’d lose faith in law enforcement.

Shooter was also a Muslim and Alt-Left. Mike Cernovich told me so.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:37:57am

re: #262 Targetpractice

Cue the wingnuts insisting this is part of a “cover-up,” that the authorities figured out that he died from the “good guy’s bullet” and don’t want folks to find that out because they’d lose faith in law enforcement.

I’ve always noticed that the majority of these mass-shooting incidents end with the suicide of the perpetrator. Only one I can think off the top of my head that didn’t was Charles Whitman - he was killed by a police officer who went up the tower and took him down.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:40:05am

re: #264 Dr Lizardo

I’ve always noticed that the majority of these mass-shooting incidents end with the suicide of the perpetrator. Only one I can think off the top of my head that didn’t was Charles Whitman - he was killed by a police officer who went up the tower and took him down.

The SC church shooter survived, too (can’t remember his name anymore, all the shootings blur together).

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gocart mozart  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:40:32am

re: #264 Dr Lizardo

Dylan Roof

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:42:13am

re: #244 wheat-dogg

I’m trying to find uplifting stuff on Twitter that doesn’t involve cute animals. It exists.

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Cool stuff. Did you catch this on NOVA?

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Sir John Barron  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:44:05am

re: #260 FormerDirtDart

Who’d a thought this sheriff in Texas was Deep State.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:44:21am

re: #265 Sir John Barron

re: #266 gocart mozart

Yeah, forgot about those two assclowns.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:47:51am

re: #260 FormerDirtDart

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So it was a bad guy with a gun who killed the bad guy with a gun.

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451_Montag  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:48:41am

re: #182 JordanRules

As bad as Dubya was, and he was horrible, I was reassured by the nepotistic dynamics. It was a dysfunctional last ditch security blanket for sure. Im not into his rehabilitation at all. But I had hope that there was a faction in his Admin that was wedded to American democracy and institutions. Just enough of American exceptionalism to avoid global disaster I guess. The regime now doesn’t give a damn about America and as logically follows, they dont give a damn about the whole world.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:56:12am

re: #191 JordanRules

If it comes to pass, where’s the GoFundMe?

GoFundMe’s cannot be set up for legal issues, so you’ll have to look for other donation locations.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:56:57am

re: #267 GlutenFreeJesus

Cool stuff. Did you catch this on NOVA?

pbs.org

Not yet. ;-)

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:57:19am

re: #260 FormerDirtDart

GMA was interviewing the guy who chased the shooter after he left the church. He stated that he never shot at the shooter, he just kept giving information to 911 about their location.

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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:57:56am

Morning.

I know it is just starting to get some coverage, but Twitter and Facebook look like they may have known a hell of a lot more about what they were allowing with the Russians and their money in the whole 2016 election mess.

Maybe this has been posted, but the Guardian did a huge article on all this. Very fascinating and troubling. I’m only posting the opening. Check the link for the full articles. It appears much of this came about through the release of the Paradise Papers.

And, it appears this had been in the works for some time, like 2011 or so. Jared Kushner is all over this money. Jared really is dirty in all this. He is gonna burn. It is only a matter of time before he gets indicted and the list of what he will be charged with is growing and growing. Maybe that is why he hasn’t been indicted yet, they keep finding more and more of his fingers in the mix.

And then there is Mark Zuckerberg. He too is dirty in all this. I admit, I do not like the guy. I don’t know why, but when I see him I get the twitches. Something tells me he is bullshitting no matter what he is saying.

Guardian - Russia funded Facebook and Twitter investments through Kushner associate

Two Russian state institutions with close ties to Vladimir Putin funded substantial investments in Twitter and Facebook through a business associate of Jared Kushner, leaked documents reveal.

The investments were made through a Russian technology magnate, Yuri Milner, who also holds a stake in a company co-owned by Kushner, Donald Trump’s son-in-law and senior White House adviser.

The discovery is likely to stir concerns over Russian influence in US politics and the role played by social media in last year’s presidential election. It may also raise new questions for the social media companies and for Kushner.

Alexander Vershbow, who was a US ambassador to Russia under George W Bush and to Nato under Bill Clinton, said the Russian state institutions were frequently used as “tools for Putin’s pet political projects”.

Vershbow said the findings were concerning in light of efforts by Moscow to disrupt US democracy and public debate. “There clearly was a wider plan, despite Putin’s protestations to the contrary,” he said.

The investments are detailed in the Paradise Papers, a trove of millions of leaked documents reviewed by the Guardian, the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) and other partners, along with other previously unreported filings.

Facebook and Twitter were not made aware that funding for the investments came from the state-controlled VTB Bank and a financial arm of the state oil and gas firm Gazprom, according to Milner. A spokesman for Kushner declined to comment.

The files show that in 2011, VTB funded a $191m investment in Twitter. About the same time, Gazprom Investholding financed an opaque offshore company, which in turn funded a vehicle that held $1bn-worth of Facebook shares.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:58:26am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area.

Reset the clock because it’s another mass shooting, this time in Texas. In a church.

It’s gotten to the point where we are now indicating mass shootings as “worst” based on specific location - down to a church or town - because they happen with such alarming regularity.

The GOP and NRA don’t care. They refuse to act.

I simply cannot give thoughts and prayers to those who were affected by this latest violence. That means nothing to them; the dead shouldn’t have thoughts and prayers. They should have action to make sure that there aren’t further mass shootings due to the easy available of guns to domestic abusers, mentally ill, dishonorably discharged servicemembers, and yet the GOP uses all of it as a cop out to not act.

Expect the NRA to laud a guy who opened fire on this latest mass murderer as a hero.

The hero didn’t stop the murder of 26 people. He didn’t necessarily reduce the death toll. The damage was already done. In Texas.

The state is awash in guns, and yet it didn’t stop 26 from being slaughtered in a church.

Making it easier to own guns isn’t the answer.

The easy availability of guns is the problem. It’s always been the problem, but the GOP and NRA wont lift a finger because they’ve weaponized this idiocy and belief that there’s simply nothing that can be done to reduce gun violence.

That’s total bullshit of course; we know that gun control works and that it does reduce gun violence.

We saw it in Australia. We also see it across Europe, Japan, and even Israel. Gun control works.

We also know that Trump couldn’t give a shit about the latest carnage unless the shooter turned out to be a black guy or a Muslim; his past performance is a guide to future statements. He just doesn’t care; and he’s undermined national security and public safety by gutting Obama era regulations on reducing the chances a mentally ill person can get firearms.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:59:37am

Sack time for me. Later on, people!

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austin_blue  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:05:13am

re: #159 whitebeach

Um, no. The pizzles are stretched and cured and used as whips, which accords with your BDSM reference and is what I, and Pynchon, and I’m pretty sure austin_blue, meant. And now, definitely, goodnight and sweet lizardish dreams.

Yup, got it in one.

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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:07:28am

re: #274 Belafon

GMA was interviewing the guy who chased the shooter after he left the church. He stated that he never shot at the shooter, he just kept giving information to 911 about their location.

The guy that shot at the bad guy jumped into that guy’s vehicle (truck?) and they went chasing after him. They stayed behind the vehicle and kept him in sight until the police got there after the guy crashed off the road. The guy with the gun still had the gun, but apparently was smart enough to just stay back and watch the vehicle and not try to play cop.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:09:12am

re: #272 Belafon

I’m sure finding a funding mechanism wouldn’t be an issue.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:11:15am

re: #279 ObserverArt

The guy that shot at the bad guy jumped into that guy’s vehicle (truck?) and they went chasing after him. They stayed behind the vehicle and kept him in sight until the police got there after the guy crashed off the road. The guy with the gun still had the gun, but apparently was smart enough to just stay back and watch the vehicle and not try to play cop.

Best way to handle a situation like that. Most likely, he only would’ve used his firearm if his life was in imminent danger, which is entirely reasonable.

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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:17:16am
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:18:33am

A great cover for an atheist, Marxist, antifa super soldier

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:21:09am
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Belafon  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:21:43am

re: #283 FormerDirtDart

A great cover for an atheist, Marxist, antifa super soldier

So, a really lone wolf.

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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:23:17am

Any comment from the White House on the Green Beret killed in Afghanistan over the weekend?

Or are they just too damn busy overfeeding Koi?

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austin_blue  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:23:31am

re: #204 wheat-dogg

It looks … damp.

Oh, eww.

Old many schwetty ballz.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:24:01am

Bumper stickers I have seen today:

“Give me the finger like you mean it”

“Earth without Art is ‘Eh”“

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:25:06am
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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:27:58am

re: #284 JordanRules

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Vlad seems to have decided that Donny has served his purpose and it’s time to send out a burn notice.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:29:39am

I see the liddle’ Kremlinbots have received their marching orders to paint Devin Kelley as a murderous “Antifa supersoldier”

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:30:37am

re: #289 FormerDirtDart

Yeah, but every time Louise Mensch opens her trap on Twitter, just point back to her comment about this one not belonging to Comey.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:32:51am

re: #292 Belafon

She’s probably blocked all of us because we’re Russian resistance spies or something.

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:35:23am

So Don Jr first says they’ll “review” the law if daddy gets elected, then solicits info about possible tax evasion by Hillary. That seems a pretty clear case of quid pro quo to me: “Give us info and we’ll change the law for you.”

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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:36:03am
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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:36:11am

yahoo.com

The man who killed at least 26 people in a Baptist church in a rural Texas town on Sunday died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound, Wilson County Sheriff Joe Tackitt told CBS News in an interview on Monday morning.

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plansbandc  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:38:09am

re: #58 Weaselone

But we’re different and exceptional.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:38:52am

re: #295 makeitstop

That rings true but why no transparency about the trip and what were they up till 4am chatting about?

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:39:30am

re: #292 Belafon

Yeah, but every time Louise Mensch opens her trap on Twitter, just point back to her comment about this one not belonging to Comey.

Yes. And, it also makes it a bit easier for him to hawk his book

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:40:01am
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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:44:44am

Because the more we learn about the GOP tax scheme, the more we see it’s designed to benefit millionaires exactly like and screw everyone else.

The SALT (state and local tax) deduction is particularly helpful to those living in high tax states, and offsets the double taxation problem the GOP often criticizes when talking about the estate tax, but here they’re actually creating a double taxation problem for the middle class while giving the rich even bigger breaks - both by pushing an estate tax repeal, and by allowing passthroughs and corporations (employers) to benefit from the SALT deduction.

This is what happens when the GOP favors only the rich and wants to screw absolutely everyone else.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:44:46am

re: #300 lawhawk

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:45:32am

She worked for a Gov defense contractor in an at-will state so likely no recourse but she doesn’t have regrets and notes that they didn’t fire a male colleague for suspect behavior on social media.

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:49:51am

re: #303 JordanRules

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She worked for a Gov defense contractor in an at-will state so likely no recourse but she doesn’t have regrets and notes that they didn’t fire a male colleague for suspect behavior on social media.

Somehow, I doubt the crowd that championed James Damore is gonna rush to suggest it was wrong she was fired…

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:50:50am

re: #303 JordanRules

She worked for a Gov defense contractor in an at-will state so likely no recourse but she doesn’t have regrets and notes that they didn’t fire a male colleague for suspect behavior on social media.

Only one of the two would hurt their potential government contracts.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:58:59am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

What I want to know is why the President’s son in law and not the Secretary of State or Ambassador to Japan is meeting with the Japanese FM. Someone needs to press on this.

Because the SoS might not have the presidents best (financial) interests at heart during the meeting.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:59:29am

My cat is annoyed at me for not sharing my cinnamon roll

She’s still side-eying me after I let her lick the plate

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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:02:03am

Whoa.

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BeachDem  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:02:39am

Trump said that based on preliminary reports, the gunman was “a very deranged individual, a lot of problems.”

“We have a lot of mental health problems in our country, as do other countries. But this isn’t a guns situation,” he said. “Fortunately somebody else had a gun that was shooting in the opposite direction.

“This is a mental health problem at the highest level,” he said.

How is it not a “guns situation,” asshole. And why don’t those other countries with mental health problems have the same gun problems we do?

Dawg, he is such a blight on the planet.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:03:24am
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:04:03am
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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:04:10am

re: #308 makeitstop

That makes the Tailhook scandal look like a bunch of pikers.

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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:05:32am

re: #312 lawhawk

That makes the Tailhook scandal look like a bunch of pikers.

Seriously. 60 admirals? That’s crazy.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:06:49am

re: #313 makeitstop

Seriously. 60 admirals? That’s crazy.

That’s in “are any not involved” territory.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:06:59am

re: #312 lawhawk

It was just high end prostitutes, alcohol, and blow. Nothing to see here.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:07:02am
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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:09:09am

re: #316 FormerDirtDart

I was impressed with how the Mayor handled the incident. The Governor? Not so much.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:10:24am

This is a bit old news, but just saw it now. Good to see twitter cracking down on the alt-right Nazi scum. However, if they applied the same standards to everyone, Dotard would have long been banned.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:10:27am

What a fun little thread!

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jeffreyw  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:13:04am

re: #308 makeitstop

Whoa.

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Sixty admirals? That has to be all of ‘em, right?

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:13:47am

re: #310 FormerDirtDart

The only difference between Czech and South Korean firearms possession laws is the final point - the police here don’t store your guns; that’s the owner’s responsibility and part of that is seeing to it that the firearm is safely stored.

Other than that point, almost identical.

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calochortus  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:13:52am

re: #320 jeffreyw

Sixty admirals? That has to be all of ‘em, right?

That was my first thought. Mr. C. assures me that there are admirals everywhere underfoot in the Navy.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:14:10am

re: #316 FormerDirtDart

Both Dietl and Nicole Malliotakis are awful candidates and awful people generally. Malliotakis is a SI politician who can’t help but misinform and lie about what role deBlasio has in running the MTA (the NYC mayor has no control; it’s operation is controlled by the Governor of NY, so any problems with the subway, failing infrastructure, are the Governor’s fault, not de Blasio).

She’s pandering to the Staten Island republicans who are an island unto themselves, and have no problem pushing the kind of claptrap that Dietl spewed either.

De Blasio isn’t a perfect candidate by any stretch; he’s got issues he needs to address regarding his ties to lobbyists, but he did succeed on his biggest campaign promises - universal pre-K. Crime continues dropping under de Blasio, and Malliotakis also cherry picks to claim that certain crimes have risen (they have, but the reporting has changed too - people are now more willing to come forward to make rape/sex assault allegations than just a few years ago).

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:16:01am

re: #323 lawhawk

Both Dietl and Nicole Malliotakis are awful candidates and awful people generally. Malliotakis is a SI politician who can’t help but misinform and lie about what role deBlasio has in running the MTA (the NYC mayor has no control; it’s operation is controlled by the Governor of NY, so any problems with the subway, failing infrastructure, are the Governor’s fault, not de Blasio).

She’s pandering to the Staten Island republicans who are an island unto themselves, and have no problem pushing the kind of claptrap that Dietl spewed either.

De Blasio isn’t a perfect candidate by any stretch; he’s got issues he needs to address regarding his ties to lobbyists, but he did succeed on his biggest campaign promises - universal pre-K. Crime continues dropping under de Blasio, and Malliotakis also cherry picks to claim that certain crimes have risen (they have, but the reporting has changed too - people are now more willing to come forward to make rape/sex assault allegations than just a few years ago).

Dietl is a fucking loon. A crackpot of the highest order.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:17:01am

re: #274 Belafon

GMA was interviewing the guy who chased the shooter after he left the church. He stated that he never shot at the shooter, he just kept giving information to 911 about their location.

Who are you gonna believe, the actual first person account of someone involved or the alt-right noise machine? I think the answer is clear, the alt-right noise machine.

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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:17:18am

re: #324 Dr Lizardo

Dietl is a fucking loon. A crackpot of the highest order.

Yep. Also way too entangled with Ghouliani for my taste.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:18:27am

re: #324 Dr Lizardo

Indeed; he pals around with the likes of Howard Stern and Trump. He’s another con artist whose penchant is for self promotion.

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wrenchwench  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:18:55am

re: #303 JordanRules

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She worked for a Gov defense contractor in an at-will state so likely no recourse but she doesn’t have regrets and notes that they didn’t fire a male colleague for suspect behavior on social media.

I stole this from that:

Thank you.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:21:56am

re: #326 makeitstop

Oh wow. I just realized I hadn’t thought about Rudy in a while. So many to consider for possible indictments or testimony, so little time.

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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:23:19am

re: #329 JordanRules

Oh wow. I just realized I hadn’t thought about Rudy in a while. So many to consider for possible indictments or testimony, so little time.

He’s on my wish list, too. I’d call him slime, but that would be unfair to slime.

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:26:52am

re: #316 FormerDirtDart

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:28:29am

Reading up on Diehl. JFC.

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wrenchwench  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:32:13am

This morning did I hear Trump say, ‘We have a mental health issue at the highest level.’? Or was I dreaming?

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:32:19am

re: #316 FormerDirtDart

I am ignorant of all things twitter, but that is on his timeline.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:34:30am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:35:44am

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He wants war.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:36:43am

re: #324 Dr Lizardo

Dietl is a fucking loon. A crackpot of the highest order.

He’s a less refined version of Dotard. Let that sink in.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:39:31am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

He wants war.

He wants profits. If war is a way to achieve them…

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:39:37am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:40:26am

So, found this poking around the intertubes; really good jazz album by Yussef Kamaal, released last year. Black Focus.

Yussef Kamaal - Black Focus (Full Album Upload)

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:42:45am
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weave  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:46:56am

So Gateway Pundit is breathlessly saying that Kelly lied on his background check form

“Kelley wrote on his background check that he didn’t have a “disqualifying criminal history.”

Isn’t an online background check supposed to cover stuff like whether or not you’re automatically disqualified under federal laws, or don’t they do that in Texas? Honest question.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:50:17am

re: #342 weave

So Gateway Pundit is breathlessly saying that Kelly lied on his background check form

Isn’t an online background check supposed to cover stuff like whether or not you’re automatically disqualified under federal laws, or don’t they do that in Texas? Honest question.

The applicant said it was cool, what more do they need.

//

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:51:16am

re: #342 weave

So Gateway Pundit is breathlessly saying that Kelly lied on his background check form

Isn’t an online background check supposed to cover stuff like whether or not you’re automatically disqualified under federal laws, or don’t they do that in Texas? Honest question.

A background check is supposed to find out whether you’re lying or not.

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weave  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:51:42am

re: #343 Eventual Carrion

The applicant said it was cool, what more do they need.

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I know. That’s what I’m a bit aghast about. What happened to “Trust but verify?”

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BlueGrl21  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:52:33am

Standard disclaimer: I am an Episcopalian, so we don’t count to a lot of Christians.

I posted this on my Facebook earlier, directed at a lot of people on my feed that are Conservative Christians.

“So, all the prayers in the the last shooting didn’t quite work, did they?

This time it was 26, killed while praying.

Learn to multitask prayer and action. Or get out of our way.”

People have chosen not to respond. They know better.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:54:04am
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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:58:58am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

He wants war.

I want war too. I want America’s citizens at war with Trump and the Republican party. We need to defeat them at every election for the next eight years or more. Our country depends on it.

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:59:51am

maybe a minority position

put pressure on sellers
make them responsible for their own reckless, contributory behavior

if there is agreement that certain persons should not own guns
say felons
say terrorists
possibly adjudicated mentally ill

then there has to be a comprehensive system that lists who cant own a gun - accessible to everyone - dealer or not. with a reasonable set of protections and due process to get those wrongly listed off the list.

else there is no way to vet this and the whole thing is a sham - we dont mean it when we say some people shouldnt/cant own guns (even terrorists)

if a seller does not take reasonable precautions to vet the buyer, hold the seller responsible for what the buyer does. the seller acted recklessly, endangering others…

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:00:44am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:01:43am

re: #348 JordanRules

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Christ.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:02:07am

Damn, we don’t need a destabilized Saudi Arabia.

Blaming Iran, Saudi says Huthi strike may be ‘act of war’

yahoo.com

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weave  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:02:31am

re: #344 HappyWarrior

A background check is supposed to find out whether you’re lying or not.

A background check is not burdensome. I just bought a gun last week at Cabelas. Clerk took down my ID info, I answered the questions on an wireless iPad, hit submit, knew within 5 seconds whether or not I was approved.

Not sure what the big deal is, nor why requiring a store like that to proxy a private sale (for a reasonable fee) would be such a hardship either.

I’m personally against onerous regulations, like some of the ones in my own state for CCW permits are ridiculous for example, but my God, keeping guns out of the hands of those who lost that right to own them should be something we all agree on. (And conservatives don’t seem to have a problem with denying felons the right to vote, so there’s precedence that you give up some rights when you are convicted, so STFU)

So asking the question of how this asshole got that gun and figuring out how to close whatever loophole that was should be a reasonable question. Will it prevent all criminals from getting guns? Of course not. But it’s about making it as difficult as possible for them, because the more difficult it is, the more likely they are going to get caught trying to make it happen.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:03:49am

re: #320 jeffreyw

Sixty admirals? That has to be all of ‘em, right?

Wiki says Navy is currently authorized 160 active admirals of all ranks. (Limit is set by law, approvals by Congress, just like Generals.) Some of these guys might be off the active rolls.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:07:41am

re: #262 Targetpractice

Cue the wingnuts insisting this is part of a “cover-up,” that the authorities figured out that he died from the “good guy’s bullet” and don’t want folks to find that out because they’d lose faith in law enforcement.

Because Good Guys’ Bullets are all that stand between us and Terrorism

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:07:57am

re: #354 weave

I’d be curious to see what check they used at Cabelas.
When I ran good checks (to satisfy requirements for Gov contracts our company was working on) on prospective employees it took days.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:08:13am

re: #264 Dr Lizardo

I’ve always noticed that the majority of these mass-shooting incidents end with the suicide of the perpetrator. blockquote>

Jut like a lot of terrorist attacks…

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:09:02am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:10:44am
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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:10:45am

re: #359 FormerDirtDart

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Current law makes it illegal for him to own a gun—if not implemented, it doesn’t prevent shit.

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gocart mozart  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:11:14am

Read this

Enough
Posted on November 6, 2017 by Timothy Burke
Gun control has long been one of the things I feel least intensely about in terms of issues. The reason is both that I don’t see the point of pushing it in a country where there is sufficient electoral math against it and because I understand why at least some of the gun-affectionate react so strongly when the rest of us demand sensible restrictions. It’s not that the restrictions (licensing, registration, mandatory training, constraint to hunting weapons) are unreasonable outright, but that guns signify culture, and those of us who want guns restrained tend to surround our demands with surplus amounts of performative contempt for the cultural worlds of the people who own guns.

But enough. Enough.

blogs.swarthmore.edu

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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:12:05am

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

WATCH: Trump tells Japanese dignitaries he never knew there were ‘so many countries’ until he was elected

He glories in his ignorance like a bird taking a dust bath.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:13:23am

re: #359 FormerDirtDart

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Current laws you hate and spend more time going on Twitter about how Texas should have the most guns in the nation.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:13:55am

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:14:46am

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

This goddamn buffoon is a daily embarrassment to the United States of America.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:15:34am

jeebus

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:16:29am

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:16:54am

re: #363 Decatur Deb

He really does. Fascinating.

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whitebeach  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:17:07am

Sure sign you live in Trump country:

So I go to the ATM at my bank in the nearest thing that passes for a town. Affixed to the machine is a handwritten notification, “Please Do Not Put Coins in the ATM.”

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Lidane  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:17:10am

This is one of the most psychotic things I’ve ever read. WTF.

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MsJ  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:17:51am

re: #272 Belafon

GoFundMe’s cannot be set up for legal issues, so you’ll have to look for other donation locations.

I am sure a “Thank this person for shutting down Trump talk for a few minutes” wouldn’t be for legal issues…it would be for deeply held beliefs that trump is a moron whose Twitter account is a national security concern. So, thanks! are welcome and appreciated.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:18:32am

So Trump is our arms-merchant-in-chief.

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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:18:49am

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kurt Eichenwald ✔@kurteichenwald
WATCH: Trump tells Japanese dignitaries he never knew there were ‘so many countries’ until he was elected rawstory.com
12:04 PM - Nov 6, 2017

Our national embarrassment.

He even looks like a total dumbass in that picture. And so willing to admit he doesn’t know shit.

Are we even sure Trump went to school??? I have my doubts.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:19:03am

re: #371 Lidane

This is one of the most psychotic things I’ve ever read. WTF.

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Just goes to show that the human capacity for rationalization is pretty much infinite. Sad but true.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:19:13am

re: #363 Decatur Deb

He glories in his ignorance like a bird taking a dust bath.

For the people who elected him, this is a desired trait, not a flaw…

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:19:52am

re: #371 Lidane

This is one of the most psychotic things I’ve ever read. WTF.

“Dear God, please let me know if I shouldn’t have an abortion.”

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Lidane  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:20:51am

re: #374 ObserverArt

Are we even sure Trump went to school??? I have my doubts.

I’m convinced his parents bribed every school administration from kindergarten through college to pass Trump so he could get out of the house.

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jimmyvluv4u  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:21:04am

As much as I’d like to bash Trump for something, the koi-feeding boorishness story doesn’t hold water. Video shows he was actually following Abe’s lead… Crap like this doesn’t help the ‘fake news’ narrative.

Link

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:21:58am

re: #379 jimmyvluv4u

As much as I’d like to bash Trump for something, the Koi boorishness doesn’t hold water. Video shows he was actually following Abe’s lead… Crap like this doesn’t help the ‘fake news’ narrative.

Link

The sort of irrelevant, superficial nonsense that distracts from the real damage he is doing to our government and our fellow citizens.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:23:58am

I know more than the generals……I didn’t realize there were so many countries. Man we elected our crazy uncle Don who gets all his news from FNC.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:26:46am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:27:33am

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:29:24am

re: #333 wrenchwench

This morning did I hear Trump say, ‘We have a mental health issue at the highest level.’? Or was I dreaming?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:29:43am

Now Fox will have an outrage going for the next 6 weeks.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:31:07am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:32:23am

re: #385 The Vicious Babushka

Now Fox will have an outrage going for the next 6 weeks.

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Yawn. Your guy Hannity literally whined at Obama’s for putting mustard on his burger.

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Jay C  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:32:50am

re: #362 gocart mozart

It’s not that the restrictions (licensing, registration, mandatory training, constraint to hunting weapons) are unreasonable outright, but that guns signify culture, and those of us who want guns restrained tend to surround our demands with surplus amounts of performative contempt for the cultural worlds of the people who own guns.

I dunno: Burke does have something of a point, but it leads into a circular argument at best, and provides a facile excuse for inaction on any sort of gun regulations. Yeah, a lot of gun owners (well, the “responsible” ones anyway) probably bristle at seeing terms like “gun nuts”, “gunhumpers” “ammosexuals”, etc. being tossed around online, or in heated LTEs which assume that anyone who owns any sort of firearm is a backward redneck yahoo bigot: but taking refuge in “cultural” excuses for gun-nuttery strikes me, anyway, as a BS excuse. It’s akin, in my mind, to the thumbsucker Op-Ed pieces of late, delving into the buyers-regret attitude of so many Trump voters: they realize that they have voted for an incompetent and corrupt buffoon who is nothing but a disgrace to the office: but won’t admit it because they (supposedly) hate being jeered as fools by those “libruls” more than admitting a political mistake.
Yeah, there are “cultural” factors involved in gun issues in this country: but not all cultural traditions are positive ones.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:33:29am

re: #348 JordanRules

Breaking. On motive, domestic situation going on inside family. Gunman sent threatening texts sent to mother in law who attended church.

There are thousands of these guys wandering around out there, barely able to function emotionally, but free to buy weapons for one final bloody tantrum.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:33:35am

re: #384 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Your budget cuts mental health access and there’s no indication that Kelley had mental health problems. Stop hiding behind mental illness to refuse to do anything about gun violence you coward.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:36:00am

re: #390 HappyWarrior

Your budget cuts mental health access and there’s no indication that Kelley had mental health problems. Stop hiding behind mental illness to refuse to do anything about gun violence you coward.

Well, he didn’t promise funding.

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wrenchwench  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:36:01am

re: #384 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Trump says Texas church shooting “isn’t a guns situation” but instead “a mental health problem at the highest level”]

That’s the juiciest bit for fake news makers.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:36:11am

re: #390 HappyWarrior

We know of mass shooters who did have mental health issues, including the VA Tech shooter. Obama took action to try and close some loopholes and make it tougher for mentally ill to get guns.

Trump overrode those Obama actions.

Trump and GOP put gun humping over human life.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:36:57am
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jaunte  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:37:45am

Has there ever been an industry as small as the handgun/long gun manufacturers able to hold such a large group of people hostage for so long?

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:40:16am
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jaunte  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:41:04am
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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:42:32am
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jaunte  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:43:41am
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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:43:51am

I was just reading through some of last nights comments and saw where Trump mentioned Japan needs to build cars in the USA and not just ship them over.

Honda America has only been manufacturing cars in Marysville Ohio since 1983 or so. Only 30 plus years.

Trump has lived under a rock for his entire life. No wait, his head is a rock.

You gotta not work pretty hard to be this ignorant.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:46:20am

re: #400 ObserverArt

Every Japanese automaker has factories here in the US because they’ve found it cheaper to produce them closer to where they’re purchased than to try and ship them from Japan (they also lack factory capacity to do all their production in Japan, plus there are tax benefits to building domestically in US, etc.).

Trump doesn’t know or care about the facts. But he will tout that they are building them here as though this is some new fact he’s unearthed and can take credit for.

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gwangung  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:47:56am

re: #399 jaunte

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My contention is that there are certain aspects of gun control that should be a part of conservative ideology, and could be embraced by conservatives:

Commit a violent crime, your rights should be curtailed: no rights to a gun.
Domestic violence is a violent crime; your rights can constitutionally be curtailed. So a restriction on gun rights is more than acceptable.
Failing to fund enforcement on these curtailments is BEING SOFT ON CRIME.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:50:02am

re: #402 gwangung

My contention is that there are certain aspects of gun control that should be a part of conservative ideology, and could be embraced by conservatives:

There is no conservative ideology, only a series of Conservative Talking Points.

One of them is that the right to gun ownership should be absolute.

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BeachDem  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:50:33am

re: #365 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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Interesting that they mostly use the baby-face pic instead of this one with the “terrorist beard.”

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Jay C  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:51:07am

re: #395 jaunte

Has there ever been an industry as small as the handgun/long gun manufacturers able to hold such a large group of people hostage for so long?

Not that small an industry: These figures are from 2012, but it’s likely the numbers have only gotten larger in recent years.

And (AFAICT), the firearms industry gets a lot more bang for its buck (sickeningly, often literally) by relying on the NRA - with its obsessive gunhumping message and political targeting where it counts (on the statehouse level) - for pushing its “buy moar guns” message and general PR.

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wrenchwench  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:51:18am

re: #398 lawhawk

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Domestic violence should be a red flag. Causes many deaths to law enforcement personnel, among others, but you’d think LE would seek that flag.

I wonder how many ‘he seemed like such a nice guy’ descriptions are pinned to domestic abusers.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:52:41am
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Renaissance_Man  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:52:47am

re: #402 gwangung

My contention is that there are certain aspects of gun control that should be a part of conservative ideology, and could be embraced by conservatives:

Commit a violent crime, your rights should be curtailed: no rights to a gun.
Domestic violence is a violent crime; your rights can constitutionally be curtailed. So a restriction on gun rights is more than acceptable.
Failing to fund enforcement on these curtailments is BEING SOFT ON CRIME.

But that’s not Conservative ideology. American Conservatives don’t care about crime if it’s committed by white people. ‘Soft on crime’ means ‘liked by brown people’ or ‘Democrat’.

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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:52:57am

re: #401 lawhawk

Every Japanese automaker has factories here in the US because they’ve found it cheaper to produce them closer to where they’re purchased than to try and ship them from Japan (they also lack factory capacity to do all their production in Japan, plus there are tax benefits to building domestically in US, etc.).

Trump doesn’t know or care about the facts. But he will tout that they are building them here as though this is some new fact he’s unearthed and can take credit for.

I know…I’m a car guy as if no one knew.

I only mentioned Honda because they were the first Japanese company to build cars here. They’ve been pretty successful at it too. There are at least four major factories in the Marysville area cranking out Honda cars, engines, motorcycles, etc.

At one time no one knew of Marysville Ohio. Now it is a fairly well-to-do community that really is just another part of the Columbus metro area. I know several Columbus people that work up there. It’s only a 20-30 minute drive from the Columbus outer belt.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:54:46am

re: #407 bill d. (b.d.)

Yes. I want to know what the hell happened. 5 broken ribs, yikes!

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:54:53am

re: #407 bill d. (b.d.)

He’s an asshole.

I leave it to you to decide who I’m referring to.

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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:56:15am

re: #403 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There is no conservative ideology, only a series of Conservative Talking Points.

One of them is that the right to gun ownership should be absolute.

I don’t know if it is even that so much as the absolute is the money the NRA gives and the fact they can seem to scare the bejeebers out of our morally strong politicians.

I bet if you could get politicians to come clean they would admit they know something needs to be done about guns, but they know it is suicide to express it.

So our politicians work for the gun industry because they will not stand up to them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:56:39am

re: #404 BeachDem

Interesting that they mostly use the baby-face pic instead of this one with the “terrorist beard.”

the power of images and association

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gwangung  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:57:00am

re: #408 Renaissance_Man

But that’s not Conservative ideology. American Conservatives don’t care about crime if it’s committed by white people. ‘Soft on crime’ means ‘liked by brown people’ or ‘Democrat’.

You and I know that’s true…but getting others (and not necessarily ammosexuals) to that realization is useful.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:58:14am

re: #408 Renaissance_Man

But that’s not Conservative ideology. American Conservatives don’t care about crime if it’s committed by white people. ‘Soft on crime’ means ‘liked by brown people’ or ‘Democrat’.

They do not give much of a shit about crime committed by white guys in suits, only white women in pantsuits…

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jimmyvluv4u  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:58:59am

re: #411 lawhawk

Why not both?

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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:59:52am

re: #410 JordanRules

Yes. I want to know what the hell happened. 5 broken ribs, yikes!

I’m thinking there was a rush to a complete pick up, rotate and then a full body slam with the attacker riding it all the way down while leaning into Paul’s chest. Or he slammed him into a countertop or piece of furniture.

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BeachDem  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:02:07am

re: #406 wrenchwench

Domestic violence should be a red flag. Causes many deaths to law enforcement personnel, among others, but you’d think LE would seek that flag.

I wonder how many ‘he seemed like such a nice guy’ descriptions are pinned to domestic abusers.

The Post and Courier won a Pulitzer for this 7 part series about domestic abuse—Till Death Do Us Part.

More than 300 women were shot, stabbed, strangled, beaten, bludgeoned or burned to death over the past decade by men in South Carolina, dying at a rate of one every 12 days while the state does little to stem the carnage from domestic abuse.

More than three times as many women have died here at the hands of current or former lovers than the number of Palmetto State soldiers killed in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined.

That was in 2015—and South Carolina continues to be one of the worst in terms of dealing with domestic abuse (but hey, “y’all,” our gunz is safe from abuse.)

postandcourier.com

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:02:42am

re: #382 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Almost like they are shoving it down our throats, to use a phrase the GOP likes so much..

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:02:55am

re: #417 ObserverArt

I’m thinking there was a rush to a complete pick up, rotate and then a full body slam with the attacker riding it all the way down while leaning into Paul’s chest. Or he slammed him into a countertop or piece of furniture.

I wonder if Greg Gianforte was in town?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:04:47am
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makeitstop  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:08:57am

re: #410 JordanRules

Yes. I want to know what the hell happened. 5 broken ribs, yikes!

Aqua Buddha was hawking on the guy’s wife. (best guess)

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:09:07am
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Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:10:59am

re: #422 makeitstop

Aqua Buddha was hawking on the guy’s wife. (best guess)

Or he tried to exercise his national prickishness at the neighborhood level.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:11:36am

re: #397 jaunte

Having a hearing would be like antifa violently overthrowing the Trump admin.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:12:33am

These people are fucking sick, sick, sick.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:14:36am
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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:17:00am

re: #426 Dr. Matt

These people are fucking sick, sick, sick.

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Those stupid theologians studying the Problem of Evil were so blind to the obvious.
Call Evil Good - problem solved!

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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:17:21am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:17:54am

re: #426 Dr. Matt

All these conservative guys have such punchable faces.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:20:47am

re: #426 Dr. Matt

These people are fucking sick, sick, sick.

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Guy’s a fucking psycho. And he calls himself a “pastor”? What a detestable piece of shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:21:49am
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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:22:35am

re: #407 bill d. (b.d.)

Five broken ribs after being tackled? They sure don’t build Senators like they used to

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Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:23:25am

re: #426 Dr. Matt

These people are fucking sick, sick, sick.

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So why is murder illegal? The killer’s just doing God’s will, after all. They should be celebrated.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:25:57am

re: #434 Skip Intro

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:26:26am
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:26:53am

re: #434 Skip Intro

So why is murder illegal? The killer’s just doing God’s will, after all. They should be celebrated.

He should be delighted if he and his fellow grifters are thrown in FEMA camp.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:29:41am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:32:32am

re: #436 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:35:14am

Read this thread. Trump and his family stand to benefit HUGELY from the GOP tax bill. And to pay for it? A gazillion deductions taken by the middle class go bye-bye. This is cartoonishly bad.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:37:50am

Mrs. FBW was tickled to learn that my post yesterday of her with Zeena and Rango was one of the Top 10 Comments.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:38:17am

re: #440 Blind Frog Belly White

This is what I’ve been saying from the get-go on all the details that have leaked thus far about the tax scheme.

It’s as though Trump tax lawyers wrote their wishlist to GOP in Congress, and they’ve gone with it.

The math doesn’t add up, the benefit to anyone but millionaires like Trump is unclear, and only ones who are guaranteed to get tax breaks are millionaires.

Everyone else has to do the computations to figure out if they come out ahead.

Any millionaire would know they benefit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:41:21am

re: #442 lawhawk

This is what I’ve been saying from the get-go on all the details that have leaked thus far about the tax scheme.

It’s as though Trump tax lawyers wrote their wishlist to GOP in Congress, and they’ve gone with it.

They will vote for it because their party and their President needs a Big Win.

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:41:57am

re: #438 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump at news conf with Abe on mass shooting in Texas: “who would ever think a thing like this could happen?”

are you that effing stupid?

where were you on 10/1?
you know like 5 weeks ago?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:42:20am

Should I also take a gun to my MOSQUE? SYNAGOGUE ? TEMPLE?

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:44:40am

re: #445 I Would Prefer Not To

We have lost our minds.

Should I also take a gun to my MOSQUE? SYNAGOGUE ? TEMPLE?

no “we” haven’t

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:47:01am

re: #445 I Would Prefer Not To

Sure, everyone carries their guns around with them, and carries them into church.

It still wont make a bit of difference.

I can recall a news program that set up a hypothetical situation where a gunman burst into a lecture hall and shot up the class without the slightest bit of trouble. They tried a couple of scenarios, including where there were good guys with guns in the classroom, as well as where the gunman himself sat down in the class and proceeded to start shooting.

It was a disaster all the way around for the gun humpers. People were still killed, and the good guys with guns were ineffectual (consider that to be able to respond to this kind of incident, law enforcement trains endlessly - SWAT exists for a reason, and most law enforcement have training, but still call on SWAT to deal with these situations). Having more people with guns will only delay emergency response to get people treatment and to secure the area.

These gun humpers are nuts.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:49:45am

re: #446 dangerman

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:49:47am

re: #447 lawhawk

They all think they’re Dirty Harry Callahan and that a gunfight is just like how you see it on the silver screen. Carefully choreographed, with virtually unlimited clear shots at the bad guys.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:52:10am

re: #448 lawhawk

“We” the people (yes, not all of us), that aren’t gun humpers or NRA employees have resigned ourselves to the idea that people will die.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:52:22am

re: #447 lawhawk

Sure, everyone carries their guns around with them, and carries them into church.

It still wont make a bit of difference.

These gun humpers are nuts.

If you want to use a gun to protect your home or your family, then that is your right.

But to be effective in a public place, especially in an active-shooter situation, you need years of training, good situational awareness and nerves of steel.

That is not a skills set that you can buy over the counter at the local Wal-Mart sporting goods section.

Why the fuck do I even have to state this out loud?

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:55:38am
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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:55:50am

re: #451 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If you want to use a gun to protect your home or your family, then that is your right.

But to be effective in a public place, especially in an active-shooter situation, you need years of training, good situational awareness and nerves of steel.

That is not a skills set that you can buy over the counter at the local Wal-Mart sporting goods section.

Why the fuck do I even have to state this out loud?

Because we’ve got several generations of Americans who think that Call of Duty and 1PS games are sufficient to learn how to kill bad guys with no effort or training. And they think that they’re that special breed who can kill bad guys just by being in the room with them.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:59:14am
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freetoken  Nov 6, 2017 • 11:02:16am

The reason the obvious is denied is because the existential crisis that would be precipitated by acknowledging the truth is too scary.

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dangerman  Nov 6, 2017 • 11:02:54am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2017 • 11:04:25am

re: #449 Dr Lizardo

They all think they’re Dirty Harry Callahan and that a gunfight is just like how you see it on the silver screen. Carefully choreographed, with virtually unlimited clear shots at the bad guys.

When in fact it’s more likely to be like in Pulp Fiction when the guy bursts out of the next room and empties his ginormous revolver at Jules and Vincent and misses with every shot.

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austin_blue  Nov 6, 2017 • 11:05:44am

re: #347 JordanRules

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The Hardest Working Man in Insurrection!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2017 • 11:08:54am

re: #347 JordanRules

Best tweet in response to that error….

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2017 • 11:16:51am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 6, 2017 • 11:18:13am

re: #382 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This weekend my RW brother who was always ranting about debt under the Democrats explained:
1. this tax plan will produce 4% growth so no deficit problem
2. Washington Post gave 4 Pinnocchios for some Democratic charge about how it won’t benefit the middle class
3. Of course it’s not designed to help the wealthy — the wealthy aren’t greedy — they don’t want more money.

I do think that the modern conservative wants a white Daddy figure to tell them what to think and are incapable of any independent analysis.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2017 • 11:18:16am

re: #454 jaunte

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Laws can’t stop criminals so why have laws?

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Kilroy was here  Nov 6, 2017 • 11:18:30am
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jaunte  Nov 6, 2017 • 11:20:42am
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dangerman  Nov 6, 2017 • 11:21:34am

re: #461 Hecuba’s daughter

This weekend my RW brother who was always ranting about debt under the Democrats explained:
1. this tax plan will produce 4% growth so no deficit problem
2. Washington Post gave 4 Pinnocchios for some Democratic charge about how it won’t benefit the middle class
3. Of course it’s not designed to help the wealthy — the wealthy aren’t greedy — they don’t want more money.

I do think that the modern conservative wants a white Daddy figure to tell them what to think and are incapable of any independent analysis.

ok, just one:

no tax plan produces growth

demand does

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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2017 • 11:24:53am

re: #447 lawhawk

Sure, everyone carries their guns around with them, and carries them into church.

It still wont make a bit of difference.

I can recall a news program that set up a hypothetical situation where a gunman burst into a lecture hall and shot up the class without the slightest bit of trouble. They tried a couple of scenarios, including where there were good guys with guns in the classroom, as well as where the gunman himself sat down in the class and proceeded to start shooting.

It was a disaster all the way around for the gun humpers. People were still killed, and the good guys with guns were ineffectual (consider that to be able to respond to this kind of incident, law enforcement trains endlessly - SWAT exists for a reason, and most law enforcement have training, but still call on SWAT to deal with these situations). Having more people with guns will only delay emergency response to get people treatment and to secure the area.

These gun humpers are nuts.

You mean these two videos?

Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world, Part One

Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world, Part Two

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 6, 2017 • 12:49:12pm

re: #460 jaunte

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Russians will pay that much I hear.


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