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Ace-o-aces  Nov 6, 2017 • 4:44:19pm
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alloutofcrazyhere  Nov 6, 2017 • 4:46:23pm

Completely off topic here, but I do appreciate the two-factor authentication that’s available for this board.

Why on earth “smart” devices/IOTs can’t have the same security is laughable.

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KGxvi  Nov 6, 2017 • 4:48:13pm

re: #1 Ace-o-aces

The fact that teachers have to spend their own money for classroom supplies, and ask parents to provide things like paper towels and tissues and other such classroom supplies is an indictment of our educational system.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2017 • 4:49:36pm

re: #3 KGxvi

The fact that teachers have to spend their own money for classroom supplies, and ask parents to provide things like paper towels and tissues and other such classroom supplies is an indictment of our educational system.

Bake sales for bombers?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2017 • 4:51:44pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 6, 2017 • 4:58:22pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Raw Story was pushing that last week.
rawstory.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2017 • 4:59:16pm

re: #1 Ace-o-aces

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Parents have NO FUCKING CLUE how much teachers spend on things for their classes.

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lawhawk  Nov 6, 2017 • 4:59:29pm

Horseshoe theory? Or just more of the usual suspects trying to manipulate the masses with misinformation.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:02:42pm

re: #7 Blind Frog Belly White

In my experience, that mostly happens with elementary school.

Once you get to middle school or high school, not so much.

It’s still a pathetic indictment of our educational system nonetheless.

Typically in high school, teachers have to scramble for textbooks.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:08:12pm

re: #6 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

And that was on the heels of the pretty revealing Politico profile.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:08:13pm

re: #8 lawhawk

Horseshoe theory? Or just more of the usual suspects trying to manipulate the masses with misinformation.

Interestingly, I read that some of the Russian interference was not just directly whipping wingnuts into a racist froth, or depressing Dem enthusiasm by picking at the Sanders scab, but also trying to get groups like Muslims or Blacks to be more activist, with an eye to frightening white people.

Disinformation designed to get journalists to overreach? I think Rachel Maddow was talking about that earlier this year She did a piece on a tantalizing bit of gossip that was being floated, which was too good to be true. They couldn’t find anything but flat denials from any source, so they didn’t run with it, but she was concerned that in these days of everyone needing to be first to publish, someone would let something slip through, and it would tarnish not only them, but the whole field.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:10:18pm

re: #11 Blind Frog Belly White

I remember the first Obamacare SCOTUS decision and how certain networks jumped the gun and got it wrong.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:13:02pm

re: #10 JordanRules

And that was on the heels of the pretty revealing Politico profile.

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The article quotes exactly one person who says DeVos “isn’t expected to remain for long.” Not “officials.” And this one person isn’t an official either, it’s someone at an outside think tank.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:14:30pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

The article quotes exactly one person who says DeVos “isn’t expected to remain for long.” Not “officials.” And this one person isn’t an official either, it’s someone at an outside think tank.

I was not convinced by the Raw Story article, which is why I didn’t post it here on the 1st.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:16:42pm

Saw this elsewhere:

Nothing says Trump like taking advantage of any situation
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:17:16pm

re: #12 alloutofcrazyhere

I remember the first Obamacare SCOTUS decision and how certain networks jumped the gun and got it wrong.

People were reading the decision as they were reporting it, because being the first with the story is so important. Back when it was newspapers, or a 6PM nightly news show, they had time to read the whole thing and report more accurately, and it STILL seemed like a mad rush.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:17:41pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

I was just following the timeline (from the comment I was responding to) of how this got started not trying to dispute what you were saying about how these things spiral etc.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:18:08pm

re: #14 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I was not convinced by the Raw Story article, which is why I didn’t post it here on the 1st.

As I tell Mrs. FBW over and over and over, “Believe when see.”

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Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:18:36pm

re: #17 JordanRules

I was just following the timeline (from the comment I was responding to) of how this got started not trying to dispute what you were saying about how these things spiral etc.

I know, I’m just pointing out that the tweet linking to that Politico article is very misleading.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:20:18pm

It’s really maddening and disheartening, as someone who has always tried to get the facts straight and not spread disinformation, to see people who are deliberately making up stories getting very successful at that con game.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:25:12pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Gotcha! I could have used a better link to that article but I suppose that tweet does illustrate part of the unfortunate viral evolution of that story.

Now we have Dworkin piling on, adding a bunch of people in the regime to this thin speculation, with no apparent reason or sourcing.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:32:42pm
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whitebeach  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:32:52pm

re: #18 Blind Frog Belly White

As I tell Mrs. FBW over and over and over, “Believe when see.”

And still you’re a cockeyed optimist. I saw Copperfield disappear the Statue of Liberty. Do I believe it?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:35:59pm

Could it be love?

Rand Paul just stepped off a riding lawn mower when Rene Boucher, a retired anesthesiologist who lived next door, charged and tackled him.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:37:48pm

Aargh, from last June!

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The Major  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:38:02pm

Poor Roger Stone…seem he’s a little butt-hurt these days on the count of little ol’ me…

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gocart mozart  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:38:10pm

Saw this movie Saturday. Not really a biopic but an excellent courtroom drama. Written by a bigshot trial attorney so the law and courtroom scenes are very accurate. Would make a great TV series with Thurgood Marshal as a roving Perry Mason.

Marshall Official Trailer #1 (2017) Chadwick Boseman Biography Movie HD


greenwichtime.com

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scottslemmons  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:38:20pm

re: #24 I Would Prefer Not To

Could it be love?

Rand Paul just stepped off a riding lawn mower when Rene Boucher, a retired anesthesiologist who lived next door, charged and tackled him.

Aren’t they saying it was because of something having to do with their yards or something? Did Rand Paul get his ass kicked for running over the neighbor’s petunias?

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alloutofcrazyhere  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:39:27pm

re: #26 The Major

I did Nazi that coming …

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electrotek  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:40:39pm

re: #26 The Major

Poor Roger Stone…seem he’s a little butt-hurt these days on the count of little ol’ me…

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If only the same would happen to Laura Loomer.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:42:47pm
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Brian J.  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:44:23pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

It’s really maddening and disheartening, as someone who has always tried to get the facts straight and not spread disinformation, to see people who are deliberately making up stories getting very successful at that con game.

And here’s another example. On the day of major elections, this is how the Democratic Party Chair is spending his time:

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:44:45pm
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Brian J.  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:45:07pm

re: #26 The Major

Poor Roger Stone…seem he’s a little butt-hurt these days on the count of little ol’ me…

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Looks like someone got him alright!

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wheat-dogg  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:45:12pm

Speaking of former presidents, here’s Obama doing something Trump probably hasn’t done since military school.

Instagram

Just finished an interview on CBS This Morning. If you missed it, the full interview should be on their website soon.

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retired cynic  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:50:07pm

Fresh Air has Pete Souza on tomorrow, and they had Michael Lewis (Moneyball) about his articles in Vanity Fair about the DT administration basically destroying our government departments from the inside (Energy and Ag first two written) and a new book as well. I learned a lot from Lewis and am really looking forward to hearing Souza!

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Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:51:53pm

And of course, as soon as I call out this fake story on Twitter I get people tweeting links at me to “prove” it’s true, including Breitbart links.

Apparently, these are liberals. Using Breitbart “News” to reinforce a fake story that preys on their confirmation bias.

Blocked.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:54:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:55:14pm

jeebus…talk about yer IMAX…

and he just retweeted this:

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Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2017 • 5:55:30pm

Boy that Paradise Papers report sure fell off the media radar fast.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:00:25pm

re: #40 Skip Intro

Boy that Paradise Papers report sure fell off the media radar fast.

I was just thinking the same thing. There’s so much bad craziness coming out of this government the media are acting like PTSD victims, unable to focus for more than 10 seconds on anything important.

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Kragar  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:01:33pm
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Belafon  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:01:48pm

re: #1 Ace-o-aces

Hey, “Mom”, you get a tax deduction for your child. The teacher spends money on your kids and gets none of that.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:03:31pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

I was just thinking the same thing. There’s so much bad craziness coming out of this government the media are acting like PTSD victims, unable to focus for more than 10 seconds on anything important.

Unable to cope is a rather hazardous state of affairs given it applies to the news media, the presidency and the legislature all at the same time.

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Kragar  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:05:03pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:05:06pm
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whitebeach  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:06:12pm

re: #31 JordanRules

[Embedded content]Bill Clinton: “How many voters do we have to disenfranchise before we’re not America anymore?”

Damn near all of ‘em, Katie. But at the rate we’re going …

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:07:03pm

lol…

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:07:14pm
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whitebeach  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:09:57pm

re: #42 Kragar

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I almost wish people wouldn’t post pix of Barack (and Joe) anymore. It freakin hurts. Feels like paradise lost.

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The Major  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:10:21pm

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Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:10:33pm
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bratwurst  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:14:04pm

I have fucking had it.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:14:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:15:04pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:15:24pm

Currently watching 11/8/16 on Netflix. Not sure what I think of it yet.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:15:48pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:15:56pm

re: #40 Skip Intro

Boy that Paradise Papers report sure fell off the media radar fast.

Ari Melber was mentioning them on his show tonight. I think where they will be important is how some of what is in them furthers Mueller’s investigations.

Our media is our media. If we say they are fucked up and do things like get easily sidetracked then we can’t be surprised when they do it.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:19:57pm
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:19:59pm

Pete Souza has a book coming out soon with his photographs during Obama’s presidency. Fifty bucks says the tangerine tyrant calls him “overrated” and “Pretender Pete” when it does.

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retired cynic  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:20:06pm

This tweet from Senator Bob Casey that JordanRules posted in the last thread got me reading (and seething). But one comment got me laughing: Don’t cut any taxes for the wealthy, but send them thoughts and prayers.

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The Major  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:21:10pm

re: #58 ObserverArt

And this surprises you—-how, exactly?

Bread and circusses, after all….

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retired cynic  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:22:10pm

re: #58 ObserverArt

Ari Melber was mentioning them on his show tonight. I think where they will be important is how some of what is in them furthers Mueller’s investigations.

Our media is our media. If we say they are fucked up and do things like get easily sidetracked then we can’t be surprised when they do it.

NPR talked about them on various stories today. I heard a piece on DT’s Russian and mafia ties in the NY construction business. I wish there had been more of that 18 months ago!

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:22:59pm

re: #60 Ace Rothstein

Pete Souza has a book coming out soon with his photographs during Obama’s presidency. Fifty bucks says the tangerine tyrant calls him “overrated” and “Pretender Pete” when it does.

I preordered it and it shipped today!

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ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:25:16pm

re: #62 The Major

And this surprises you—-how, exactly?

Bread and circusses, after all….

Not surprised at all. I was just riffing off of Charles’ and Skip’s comment about the media already dropping coverage of The Paradise Papers. Basically saying to be expected.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:25:23pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus…talk about yer IMAX…

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OK what is Abe saying in Japanese?

“Wait until this stupid fat Gaijin sees what I have in store for him after that handshake he gave me!”

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mmmirele  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:38:24pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

Jeez Louise this is just awful. No wonder women don’t come forward! This is one of those times where, even though I know it’s a crime and a tort, I want to smack a few people around, starting with David Boies.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:38:58pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Right along these lines, I’m listening to this Fresh Air interview right now and it’s absolutely chilling.

Michael Lewis: Many Trump Appointees Are Uninterested In The Agencies They Head Up

The Moneyball author is writing a series of articles for Vanity Fair about President Trump’s picks to lead federal agencies — and the consequences of those appointments.

npr.org

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The Major  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:39:40pm
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I cannot.  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:41:53pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

Remember, everything we’ve heard so far about something he has done in the past has invariably been a precursor to him doing something worse in the future.

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whitebeach  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:42:51pm

re: #68 JordanRules

Right along these lines, I’m listening to this Fresh Air interview right now and it’s absolutely chilling.

Michael Lewis: Many Trump Appointees Are Uninterested In The Agencies They Head Up

The Moneyball author is writing a series of articles for Vanity Fair about President Trump’s picks to lead federal agencies — and the consequences of those appointments.

npr.org

I guess we should be thankful that they’re not interested. They’re so malevolent that if they were interested they could really fuck things up. If they were competent.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:45:27pm

Someone posted about this yesterday, but that John Coltrane doc is on tonight at 10:00.
pbs.org

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:45:33pm

re: #68 JordanRules

The whole thing is scary and infuriating, but here are a couple excerpts from the transcript.

DAVIES: I want to come back to Sam Clovis, the guy that the Trump administration nominated as the chief scientist for the Department of Agriculture who you say didn’t have a background in science, was a talk show host. What do we know about his effect on the science program in the Department of Agriculture so far?

LEWIS: We know nothing yet. I mean, the question is - it’s very hard to see what they’re doing now. I mean, it’s still early days. And the sad truth is that you could put someone who is wholly unqualified into that job, and the society wouldn’t feel the effects for a very long time because the kind of research that’s being done is research in - is research that will pay off 30 years from now or 40 years from now.

So this is to me - there’s a theme in the sort of risks that the Trump administration are taking by putting people who are not suited for jobs into the jobs. And one of the themes is that they’re - a willingness to tax the distant future for the political present because the distant future really doesn’t have a voice at the table.

—Recorded prior to Clovis withdrawing—

DAVIES: You want people who want - know how to keep nuclear material safe.

LEWIS: Safe - exactly. So it’s that kind of thing. Like, you know, if you let the wrong kind of people close to the process, yeah, it’s hard to know how it will go wrong. It’s just - you just know it’s not going to go more right.

DAVIES: One of the things that struck me when you were writing about things that the Energy Department does that aren’t apparent to anybody in the public is things like, for example, its contribution to containing Iran’s nuclear program and waste. You want to just describe that for us?

LEWIS: Well, Obama’s secretary of energy, Ernie Moniz, is a nuclear physicist. He really knows how to build an atom bomb, or - and what you need for it. So he was at the table with - during the Iran negotiations. And he was so pleased with the result of the negotiations because he knew that what they were being denied, or what they agreed to deny themselves, would deny them the nuclear capability.

And that was the whole goal of the negotiation. So the Energy Department and the expertise in it is what you need at the table when you’re trying to prevent some foreign country from getting its hands on nuclear weapons.

DAVIES: So if a new presidential administration comes in that is suspicious of the agreement, they need to understand the technical details to know whether it’s an effective agreement or not, which means they got to pay attention and listen to the people in the department, right?

LEWIS: Absolutely. If you’re not - you can’t just say that’s a bad deal without sitting down with people at, like, Los Alamos who will explain to you why it’s not a bad deal, while, in fact, this is going to prevent them from getting nuclear weapons.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:46:09pm
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:47:40pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

As a Texan, I want to apologize to the nation for Greg Abbott.

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scottslemmons  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:49:47pm

re: #75 Ace Rothstein

As a Texan, I want to apologize to the nation for Greg Abbott.

Same. And I want to apologize in advance for Dan Patrick, who’s even crazier than Abbott and likely next in the governor’s mansion. :(

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:51:54pm

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:53:17pm

re: #76 scottslemmons

Same. And I want to apologize in advance for Dan Patrick, who’s even crazier than Abbott and likely next in the governor’s mansion. :(

Patrick is a crazy motherfucker.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:55:07pm
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Weaselone  Nov 6, 2017 • 6:56:59pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

I wish that had been clarified earlier.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:02:44pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:04:01pm

Rachel reads the Carter Page transcript where Gowdy Doody questioned him. and Carter just shot Gowdy Doody in the CENSORED.

Oh, Gowdy Doody SEETHING!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:04:12pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:06:26pm

Heh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:10:51pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:11:59pm

Facebook Post

I wouldn’t be caught dead at the Fox studios though.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:12:25pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:14:40pm

It sure is amazing that Jill Stein is NOWHERE to be seen. Has she snuck back to the Motel 6 in Moscow for another rendezvous with her beloved Vladdy?

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gocart mozart  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:16:03pm

Intersting column

“In fact, on many pet issues, older people and Republicans actually exhibit less tolerance for free expression than young lefties.” washingtonpost.com

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:18:19pm

In the immortal words of George Takei…ohhhhhhhhh myyyyyyyyyy

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:18:31pm

Ralph Nader continues to be a piece of shit.

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whitebeach  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:19:39pm

re: #56 Eclectic Cyborg

Currently watching 11/8/16 on Netflix. Not sure what I think of it yet.

A date which will live in infamy.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:19:57pm

re: #91 goddamnedfrank

Ralph Nader continues to be a piece of shit.

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Nader linking up with Mr. Antisemite Ron Unz…I’m not surprised!!!!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:21:44pm

Somebody forgot to cover their tracks!

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stpaulbear  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:21:56pm

re: #86 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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I wouldn’t be caught dead at the Fox studios though.

Jebus, that’s as bad as when a motorcyclist slams a tree and someone says that ‘at least he died doing something that he loved’.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:24:08pm

re: #86 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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I wouldn’t be caught dead at the Fox studios though.

Well, so much for that sanctuary shhhhhhhaaaaaavvvvvviiiiiiiiinnnnnnggggg cream!

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meteor  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:24:12pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:25:12pm

re: #86 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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I wouldn’t be caught dead at the Fox studios though.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:26:42pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:28:12pm

Like Fox, Twitter is a cancer on the nation.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:29:33pm
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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:31:52pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

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Huckaboo’s gonna look like a deer in headlights tomorrow.

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stpaulbear  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:33:18pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

Wasn’t it during Trump’s middle east trip that a whole lot of shit broke regarding his ties to Russia? He’s going to be facing an even worse shitstorm by the time he gets back from asia.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:34:04pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:35:27pm

re: #102 Targetpractice

Huckaboo’s gonna look like a deer in headlights tomorrow.

You can count on Hucky Boo Boo to double down on the bullshit tomorrow!

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:37:40pm

Trump: “Carter who? Never heard of the guy.”

Huckaboo: “He just showed up one day, started taking coffee orders without prompting.”

Pence: “I never knew anything about a Carter Page.”

Sessions: “I may have talked with Carter Page about Russia, but I didn’t lie about it!”

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Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:37:52pm

re: #105 Joe Bacon 🌹

Isn’t she with trump?

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:41:49pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Something is seriously wrong on the internet.

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gocart mozart  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:44:33pm

re: #94 Joe Bacon 🌹

Legal analysis of paige’s testimony: This is a primer on how NOT to assert your 5th amendment rights although it is unclear whether that is what he is trying to do but which I’m pretty sure he just waived anyways so whatev.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:45:01pm

re: #103 stpaulbear

Wasn’t it during Trump’s middle east trip that a whole lot of shit broke regarding his ties to Russia? He’s going to be facing an even worse shitstorm by the time he gets back from asia.

Hopefully Flynn and Flynn Jr. get mug shots or indictments by Friday.

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whitebeach  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:45:11pm

re: #102 Targetpractice

Huckaboo’s gonna look like a deer in headlights tomorrow.

Nah. It’ll be the standard feels-like-my-Trump-buttplug’s-about-to-fall-out countenance.

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gocart mozart  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:46:29pm

Carter Paige whitehouse exit interview tomorrow prolly

kramer getting fired from a job he doesnt even work at

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whitebeach  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:51:54pm

Is it too early to start placing Trump players on the Watergate playbill?

If not, I’ve got Page as Segretti.

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gocart mozart  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:52:53pm

lol

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:54:29pm

JFC

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:55:21pm

re: #115 goddamnedfrank

He’s a piece of shit.

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gocart mozart  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:55:33pm

LOL

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:57:57pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 6, 2017 • 7:58:53pm

When you have lost Trey Gowdy

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gocart mozart  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:00:48pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:01:54pm
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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:06:33pm

I really, really don’t know what to think of Carter Page.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:06:49pm
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austin_blue  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:10:57pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

I was just thinking the same thing. There’s so much bad craziness coming out of this government the media are acting like PTSD victims, unable to focus for more than 10 seconds on anything important.

Charles:

Here’s what I posted:

“I’m hearing Betsy DeVos is resigning.”

I don’t post wild rumors. I don’t post fake news. I don’t post kompromat.

I posted that after I waited a couple of days until it showed up on Politico, which generally fact checks before it posts info from other sites.

If they have become unreliable, I will no longer use them as a news and info source.

But they have been generally spot-on in the past. Apologies.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:22:27pm

Economy comfort, 2017.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:23:40pm
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Belafon  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:23:45pm

I’m tired of poems like this, sent to all members of CERT (I’m pretty sure I’m the only liberal on the group):

Tribute to Soldiers (author unknown)

It’s the Soldier, not the reporter
who has given us the freedom of the press.
It’s the Soldier, not the poet,
who has given us the freedom of speech.
It’s the Soldier, not the politicians
that ensures our right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
It’s the Soldier who salutes the flag,
who serves beneath the flag,
and whose coffin is draped by the flag.

I really wanted to write back:

As a veteran, in a family full of veterans, I will say this is inaccurate. There are plenty of countries with strong militaries that prevent these very rights. While the military ensures that we can practice these rights, if the press didn’t fight for them, they would lose their freedoms. If we don’t use our right of free speech, we will lose them. A strength of our system is that the military serves under civilians.

I’m also really against being used as a prop to try to shut down other people’s speech.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:26:06pm
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BeachDem  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:27:51pm

re: #123 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

Obligatory quotes:

CIA Superior: What do we learn, Palmer?
Chad Feldheimer: I dont know sir.
CIA Superior: I don’t fucking know either.
Chad Feldheimer: I guess we learned, not to do it again.
Chad Feldheimer: Yes sir.
Chad Feldheimer: I’m fucked if I know what we did.

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allegro  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:30:02pm

I just noticed the date and realized it’s my 35th anniversary. Huh. That’s what that niggling back there in mah brains was all day.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:32:43pm

Messy!

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:36:51pm

re: #127 Belafon

So I wrote this instead to facebook:

Facebook Post

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:45:39pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:45:51pm
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retired cynic  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:50:29pm

re: #134 goddamnedfrank

If this was in a movie, no one would believe it.

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electrotek  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:53:01pm
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Belafon  Nov 6, 2017 • 8:57:47pm

re: #136 electrotek

A good guy with a car saved any other possible victims.

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Belafon  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:00:53pm

If you care, Idris Elba is going to be on Jimmy Kimmel.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:01:04pm

re: #135 retired cynic

If this was in a movie, no one would believe it.

If either Mel Brooks, Buck Henry or Woody Allen had written Page’s testimony as a movie script, every studio would have rejected it!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:05:02pm

Page’s testimony reminded me of this Bob Einstein skit from the Sonny & Cher show

Bob Einstein on Sonny and Cher

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:05:10pm

re: #138 Belafon

Yes Belafon, I do care.
*Tries to suppress huge smile*

Thanks for the programming note.

Damnet! They are never going to give me him as Bond are they? Sigh.

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danarchy  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:06:12pm

re: #137 Belafon

A good guy with a car saved any other possible victims.

He had 3 gunshot wounds, only one was self inflicted the other 2 were the neighbor with a rifle which is what forced him to drop the AR and take off in the car, at which point the neighbor with a rifle flagged down the guy and they both chased him.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:06:25pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:22:31pm

re: #127 Belafon

I’m tired of poems like this, sent to all members of CERT (I’m pretty sure I’m the only liberal on the group):

I really wanted to write back:

Hear hear.

Just got back from a marathon village board meeting. We are getting snowflakes now the size of sawmill blades.

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jaunte  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:22:40pm
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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:23:31pm

re: #142 danarchy

He shot himself with another gun after he took off or before that?

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danarchy  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:26:24pm

re: #146 JordanRules

He shot himself with another gun after he took off or before that?

The coroner said he was shot in the leg and the torso by the neighbor. The self inflicted shot to the head was presumably fired after or just before he crashed.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:27:07pm

re: #147 danarchy

The coroner said he was shot in the leg and the torso by the neighbor. The self inflicted shot to the head was presumably fired after or just before he crashed.

Shot leaving the church after he’d already killed more than two dozen people.

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electrotek  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:30:04pm

re: #148 Anymouse 🌹

Shot leaving the church after he’d already killed more than two dozen people.

Which is what these dumbfuck wingnuts can’t grasp.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:30:39pm

re: #147 danarchy

Okay, got it. TY!

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:31:37pm

Sia released a nude photo of herself on Twitter before someone who shot the photo could try to make money off it.

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

Sia’s NSFW tweet behind the privacy bar.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:34:20pm

re: #149 electrotek

Which is what these dumbfuck wingnuts can’t grasp.

This evening before the village board meeting I went out around the village lowering the flags to half-mast … the President issued a proclamation for that.

While I only had to face down a person with a gun once (he pointed a loaded rifle at my chest; I took it away from him), I do not get to push out of my mind what’s going on. Every time such a proclamation comes out, I have to lower the flags, then raise them again when the proclamation expires.

We’ve had a lot of those proclamations since I was put in charge of the village flag committee.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:37:35pm

re: #123 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

LOL it’s Watergate as re-imagined by the Coen Brothers.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:39:34pm

re: #153 Dr Lizardo

LOL it’s Watergate as re-imagined by the Coen Brothers.

So that’s what the Coen Brothers are doing over west of me (that movie I tried out for). They aren’t shooting a comedy Western like they claimed, they’re really shooting a political comedy-of-errors.

This would be a good place to shoot such a film, because there are so few people here to expose what they’re doing.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:43:42pm

re: #40 Skip Intro

Boy that Paradise Papers report sure fell off the media radar fast.

Maybe it’s too early for the press to report. It’s a massive amount of data that can take a while to review. There should be a team investigating the documents before there can be series of articles discussing the contents.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:44:58pm

Tonight’s village board meeting included a wireless Internet provider making a pitch to the village board (and me specifically as the water system operator) to put up wireless service on our water tower to compete with CenturyLink (our telephone company).

The company in question is a privately-owned company that provides Internet service to little towns in Wyoming, Colorado, and western Nebraska. Generally, they pay the town a nominal rental fee to put up antennas on high structures such as water towers, and also provide free service to the town government.

They made a similar pitch to us tonight, offering to pay the town a nominal fee and provide free Internet service for our fire brigade, village office, and public library. (Currently, the village office and public library pay nearly $400 a month for Internet service and the fire brigade has no Internet - individuals like myself pay $120 a month for Internet).

The company provides service to a number of villages around us, but our area is a big hole in their coverage. They will be forwarding a formal proposal to us for our next meeting.

Their own Website notes that their service is about a fifth of what I pay now. Their Wireless service would also put a signal out in the rural county area around our town for a couple miles or so.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:47:40pm

The Saudi Arabia story reminds me why I appreciate Rachel Maddow’s thoughtful, explainer style.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:54:13pm

So the lesson I’m taking away from Carter Page’s testimony is that basically, he thought he was Keyser Söze when in reality, he was more like Forrest Gump.

Heh.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:54:32pm

Ugggh. Taibbi is terrible.

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gocart mozart  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:56:41pm

re: #154 Anymouse 🌹
Because this is Stupid Watergate, the part of John Dean will be played by Carter Paige.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 9:57:34pm

re: #160 gocart mozart

Because this is Stupid Watergate, the part of John Dean will be played by Carter Paige.

LOL. And the plumbers will be played by Uday and Qusay.

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gocart mozart  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:00:09pm

re: #161 Anymouse 🌹

Roger Stone will still be Roger Stone

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wheat-dogg  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:00:18pm

Don’t try this at home, folks!

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:02:13pm
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wheat-dogg  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:02:27pm

More of her face is revealed:

It’s a portrait of a 36-year-old woman from 1618, according to the OP.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:03:37pm

re: #165 wheat-dogg

Yeah, definitely don’t try that at home. Leave it to the professionals.

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:04:46pm

re: #165 wheat-dogg

Give her the tan back, global warming is a thing! She needs her shield.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:05:46pm
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:10:47pm

Back later……..off to work.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:12:30pm

Let it snow let it snow let it snow… .

forecast.weather.gov

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:14:57pm

re: #158 Dr Lizardo

So the lesson I’m taking away from Carter Page’s testimony is that basically, he thought he was Keyser Söze when in reality, he was more like Forrest Gump.

Heh.

Forrest Gump is way too compassionate to be compared to Carter Page.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:15:11pm

Jim Wright notes what carrying guns in public is really about (not what the GOP and NRA claim):

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:17:11pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:21:43pm
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austin_blue  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:22:13pm

Shower, shave, bed. Sweet scaly dreams, all.

See you tomorrow.

C’mon, Mueller send me a dream, make it the best one that I’ve ever seen…

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:24:31pm

People run full speed ahead with the assumption of coveting thy neighbors wife and yet there are so many reasons they could have had beef. I’ve seen so many ludicrous neighbor feud stories over the years that this waste issue seems very probable.

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electrotek  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:28:44pm

What a crock of shit

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:32:12pm

businessinsider.com

Guccifer 2.0 doctored DNC E-mails before releasing them. Hackers would always be a trustworthy source (at least for people on social media, see also Wikileaks):

Suspected Russia-linked cyber spy Guccifer 2.0 edited a document to make it more alluring before publishing it during last year’s presidential campaign.
The word “confidential” was photoshopped on screenshots of several pages of the document.
The revelation that Guccifer altered the document comes amid the FBI and Congress’ wide-ranging investigations into Russia’s election interference.

(more at Business Insider)

Foreign Policy notes Russian hackers are notorious for “editing” things they release. The idea is to promote Russian propaganda.

FP notes that interfering with the national election is not all they are doing: They are trying to manipulate municipal elections as well.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:32:47pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:33:06pm

This “good guy with a gun” trope is such a crock of shit. From all the reports I’ve read, Sutherland Springs First Baptist Church had a congregation of about 50 people. Mass murdering scumfuck shot 46 people, 26 of whom died. He shot almost everybody in the church, to a person. And the syphilitic right wing id has been selling this feel good “good guy with a gun” meme, that things could have been a lot worse. You fuckin’ assholes! It’s worst case fuckin’ scenario, an entire building of people were killed or wounded.

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electrotek  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:37:46pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:51:55pm
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electrotek  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:53:16pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:55:13pm

re: #183 electrotek

Gun liberation?

FREE THE GUN! Almost sounds like a 2 Live Crew single.

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electrotek  Nov 6, 2017 • 10:56:06pm

re: #184 teleskiguy

Gun liberation?

FREE THE GUN! Almost sounds like a 2 Live Crew single.

She’s from London, oh lordy.

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Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2017 • 11:16:01pm

It really is a sign of how low the bar has fallen, that shooting a guy after he’s shot an entire congregation and left the building makes one a “hero.”

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 11:17:37pm

re: #184 teleskiguy

twerk.gif

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teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2017 • 11:18:57pm

re: #187 JordanRules

twerk.gif

Giphy

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JordanRules  Nov 6, 2017 • 11:21:32pm

re: #188 teleskiguy

ROFL!!!!!

Get it piggy!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 6, 2017 • 11:23:43pm

re: #31 JordanRules

Bill Clinton: “How many voters do we have to disenfranchise before we’re not America anymore?”

just enough to turn a minority of the vote into a majority of the Electoral College

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teleskiguy  Nov 6, 2017 • 11:50:11pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:08:08am

Guy on the right? Now that is the mark of a quality goose stepper.

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teleskiguy  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:17:50am
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Targetpractice  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:22:26am

Hmm, polls are open when I get off at 7am, so I could go vote. Or I could go home, play video games, and assume it’ll all play out okay.

Just how responsible an adult am I feeling today?

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:24:37am

re: #194 Targetpractice

Where’s the sarc tags?

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teleskiguy  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:28:54am

re: #194 Targetpractice

STAY HOME, NORTHAM’S A CORPORATE HILLBOT SHILL!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:30:40am

re: #196 teleskiguy

STAY HOME, NORTHAM’S A CORPORATE HILLBOT SHILL!

better not to vote than to vote for someone who does not live up to your standards of ideological purity…and besides, he rigged the primaries!!!

/

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Targetpractice  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:32:41am

re: #195 JordanRules

Where’s the sarc tags?

Condemned to Siberia.

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teleskiguy  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:33:52am

I still have to fill out my ballot. We do it by mail here in Colorado. Damn thing has been sitting there on my bureau for over a week now. It’s a boring ballot, hey, it’s an “off-year.” There’s a tax question involving cannabis and mental health, a tax question funding the community college, and primary and secondary school board seats, most folks running unopposed.

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Targetpractice  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:41:10am

Way I figure it, no matter how I vote, it will be seen as “good” for Trump. Either Northam wins and we’re told that the closeness of the race means Democrats are “struggling” in the era of Trump. Or Gillespie wins and we’re told that it means that Trump’s not as toxic to the GOP brand as advertised.

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teleskiguy  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:45:48am

re: #200 Targetpractice

A Gillespie win will definitely signal to Republican pols running for office across the country to embrace Trumpism a little closer.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:46:10am

re: #200 Targetpractice

So are you voting or what fam?

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teleskiguy  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:47:35am

re: #202 JordanRules

So are you voting or what fam?

Targetpractice is a nihilist. Didn’t you know?

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:54:15am

re: #203 teleskiguy

No I didn’t know. I thought they were all busy not being busy.

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teleskiguy  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:58:51am

re: #204 JordanRules

I mean, they do believe in nothing.

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Targetpractice  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:03:42am

re: #202 JordanRules

So are you voting or what fam?

Yeah, I’m voting. Then going home to sleep so I’m up in time for the polls to close and the despair to start setting in as the rural counties report their totals early.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:10:14am

re: #206 Targetpractice

Awww. We might get some W’s. Or we might have votes hidden in Siberia.
We gotta ride these elections out ‘till the wheels fall off though.

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Targetpractice  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:10:31am

See, elections in VA follow a certain rythym. The early evening sees rural counties where livestock outnumber humans report early, causing Democrats to despair and Republicans to believe they’ve got the vote in the bag. Then as the night wears on, NoVA and city voters start reporting in and the race swings to the Democrats, leading Republicans to start swearing that “the fix is in” and the race is being “stolen.” Finally, it comes down to the wire and we’re told by wingnuts that everything north of Richmond needs to be sold to Maryland or broke off into its own state so the “true Virginians” can live as they please.

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teleskiguy  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:13:00am

re: #208 Targetpractice

Hampton Roads is true Virginia? I’ve never been, so…

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Targetpractice  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:14:21am

re: #209 teleskiguy

Hampton Roads is true Virginia? I’ve never been, so…

It’s “true” in the grand red state tradition: The locals sponge off federal dollars, then bitch about how “the government” is “ruining their lives.”

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teleskiguy  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:16:54am

re: #210 Targetpractice

It’s “true” in the grand red state tradition: The locals sponge off federal dollars, then bitch about how “the government” is “ruining their lives.”

That makes sense. Colorado Springs is the same way. Army base to the south, Air Force Academy to the north, NORAD in a mountain to the west, and Colorado Springs is the most right wing city in Colorado. DAMN GUMMINT, GET YOUR GREASY HANDS OFF OF MY MEDICARE!

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teleskiguy  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:22:54am
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Targetpractice  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:25:27am

Just thought about this: What could be funnier than starting Election Day off with the announcement of more indictments being unsealed?

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teleskiguy  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:29:15am

More YouTube? Eh.

YouTube Subcommunities

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:30:35am

The Navy is in the middle of a huge hooker and booze bribery scandal

On another port visit by the Blue Ridge to Manila in February 2007, Francis allegedly hosted another sex party for officers in the MacArthur Suite of the Manila hotel. During the party, “historical memorabilia related to General Douglas MacArthur were used by the participants in sexual acts,” according to the indictment.

all hail the Great Corncobio!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:33:26am

don’t even want to think about the damage he is going to cause today…

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LastYearsMan  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:35:27am

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

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don’t even want to think about the damage he is going to cause today…

Early reports make it sound like we in Korea got off relatively unscathed. Lucky lucky.

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LastYearsMan  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:37:59am

So Korea buys a bunch of expensive military hardware from the US (as it often does). Trump declares victory. Life goes on. Not bad , I guess.
m.yna.co.kr

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:42:34am

sure thing…

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Dave In Austin  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:52:09am

70’ Nice out. Too the lake at 1st light

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:08:43am

re: #220 Dave In Austin

Awake….. Might as well burn.

We live to burn…

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:57:34am

Voter#6 this morning. Don’t forget to vote today!

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jeffreyw  Nov 7, 2017 • 4:33:02am

Imgur


Good morning!

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 7, 2017 • 4:56:30am
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 7, 2017 • 5:02:21am

That dog whistle again, so loud even humans can hear it.

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Targetpractice  Nov 7, 2017 • 5:08:37am

So yeah, I went and voted. Voted for some guy named Ed…something or other. The nice guy at the polling place said Ed is a good guy and he seemed like he knew what he was talking about.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 7, 2017 • 5:12:46am

Now she’s doing the talk show rounds explaining that her own book is total bullshit.

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Targetpractice  Nov 7, 2017 • 5:13:19am

re: #227 The Vicious Babushka

Now she’s doing the talk show rounds explaining that her own book is total bullshit.

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OFFS

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Dr. Matt  Nov 7, 2017 • 5:18:01am

re: #227 The Vicious Babushka

Now she’s doing the talk show rounds explaining that her own book is total bullshit.

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The damage is done. She gave Dotard and the right renewed talking points. She needs to go away. Get off TV. Get off social media. She fucked over the left and will never be embraced by the right.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 7, 2017 • 5:23:53am

re: #227 The Vicious Babushka

Now she’s doing the talk show rounds explaining that her own book is total bullshit.

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Shame wingnuts don’t ever hear the retractions…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 7, 2017 • 5:27:41am

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

“The city with the strongest gun laws in our nation is Chicago and Chicago is a disaster.”

Chicago is directly adjacent to Indiana, which has some of the laxest gun laws in the nation…

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Dr. Matt  Nov 7, 2017 • 5:28:39am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 7, 2017 • 5:34:05am

re: #232 Dr. Matt

Opinion | Thoughts and prayers at a discount

especially for people shot in a church. Talk about coals to Newcastle…

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ObserverArt  Nov 7, 2017 • 5:44:28am

Morning. Election morning that is. Gonna hit the school where I vote in an hour or so.

So I usually watch a little of the Today Show and today they did another of those let’s check with the Trump voters to see what’s up segments. This time it was billed as One Year Later. The people (I think they are people) they found are pretty much still sticking with their vote for Trump. Some are disappointed but they still say they would vote for him in a do-over.

But the absolute most frustrating guy said basically “sure he can be an ass, but does the media have to show us he is an ass?” I think the guy worked at GE in Western Pennsylvania and said he voted for Trump because he had lost his job and Trump told the people at a rally last year there would be no more of that. 600 more people have been laid off or lost their job in the last year. He still sticks with Trump because he’s a tough guy.

A an elderly woman was shown in a clip from last year where she was overjoyed with Trump’s win. Former Democrat voter too. She warned last year that Trump needed to engage brain before opening mouth. Today she is disappointed that he still tweets and says dumb stuff…but she is sticking with her man.

What? This country has a citizen problem…not just a Trump problem. Too many idiots.

I get the feeling a lot of these people are still in the same mind state of denial that allowed them to vote for Trump and are protective of their vote. They may never say they screwed up.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 5:47:00am
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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 7, 2017 • 5:57:16am

re: #234 ObserverArt

Once a deplorable, always a deplorable.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 7, 2017 • 5:58:42am

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

And he’s lying. Surprise!

chicagotribune.com

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:00:55am

re: #234 ObserverArt

Morning. Election morning that is. Gonna hit the school where I vote in an hour or so.

So I usually watch a little of the Today Show and today they did another of those let’s check with the Trump voters to see what’s up segments. This time it was billed as One Year Later. The people (I think they are people) they found are pretty much still sticking with their vote for Trump. Some are disappointed but they still say they would vote for him in a do-over.

But the absolute most frustrating guy said basically “sure he can be an ass, but does the media have to show us he is an ass?” I think the guy worked at GE in Western Pennsylvania and said he voted for Trump because he had lost his job and Trump told the people at a rally last year there would be no more of that. 600 more people have been laid off or lost their job in the last year. He still sticks with Trump because he’s a tough guy.

A an elderly woman was shown in a clip from last year where she was overjoyed with Trump’s win. Former Democrat voter too. She warned last year that Trump needed to engage brain before opening mouth. Today she is disappointed that he still tweets and says dumb stuff…but she is sticking with her man.

What? This country has a citizen problem…not just a Trump problem. Too many idiots.

I get the feeling a lot of these people are still in the same mind state of denial that allowed them to vote for Trump and are protective of their vote. They may never say they screwed up.

I briefly flipped on FandF on Fox. The “reporter” was in one of those “every man” cafes—must have been Norfolk or nearby cause he said it was filled with Navy vets—interviewing doughy white people asking how much Gillespie was going to win by.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:01:52am

Exceptional.
Blegh!

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wheat-dogg  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:03:41am

Could this be one reason why Robert Mercer stepped down?

Offshore cash helped fund Steve Bannon’s attacks on Hillary Clinton
Robert Mercer, whose spending assisted Donald Trump’s election win, used tax haven of Bermuda to avoid US taxes

But the financial arrangements of another foundation, which bankrolled Bannon’s creation of the book, Clinton Cash, have received less scrutiny.

Leaked documents and newly obtained public filings show how the billionaire Mercer family built a $60m war chest for conservative causes inside their family foundation by using an offshore investment vehicle to avoid US tax.

The offshore vehicle was part of a network of companies in the Atlantic tax haven of Bermuda led by Robert Mercer, the wealthy hedge-fund executive and Bannon patron whose spending helped put Trump in the White House and aided a resurgence of the Republican right.

Mercer, 71, appears as a director of eight Bermuda companies in the Paradise Papers, a trove of millions of leaked documents on offshore finance reviewed by the Guardian, the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and other partners. The files include a copy of Mercer’s US passport and other private data.

theguardian.com

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wheat-dogg  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:04:48am

re: #239 JordanRules

Exceptional.
Blegh!

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Everyone is pwning the USA now.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:05:44am

re: #239 JordanRules

Exceptional.
Blegh!

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Winning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:10:03am

re: #240 wheat-dogg

Could this be one reason why Robert Mercer stepped down?

Offshore cash helped fund Steve Bannon’s attacks on Hillary Clinton
Robert Mercer, whose spending assisted Donald Trump’s election win, used tax haven of Bermuda to avoid US taxes

theguardian.com

America First!

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lawhawk  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:12:16am

re: #225 The Vicious Babushka

That dog whistle again, so loud even humans can hear it.

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Chicago doesn’t have the strongest gun laws in the nation. It’s up there.

But it’s also adjacent to one of the weakest gun law states in the nation, which means the guns flow freely up the Iron Pipeline. Many of the guns used are being purchased elsewhere for use in Chicago.

NYC has a similar Iron Pipeline, as majority of guns used in crimes are purchased elsewhere. Crime in NYC (and the US as a whole) has been on decline for 20 years. NYC is at or near historic lows across the board on crime.

Where crime is on the rise? The Trump admin, which drained the swamp and funneled all the criminality into the WH.

Even GOPers are starting to complain about how the Trump admin isn’t getting it done. Well, they want the corruption and sabotage to go much faster, which isn’t the same thing as recognizing that they’re doing something wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:15:03am

re: #227 The Vicious Babushka

Now she’s doing the talk show rounds explaining that her own book is total bullshit.

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His supporters don’t understand that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:17:22am

Haven’t voted yet. Grandma already voted by absentee. Hopefully we see the Dems retain Richmond but also flip seats in the legislature.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:20:02am

re: #244 lawhawk

Chicago doesn’t have the strongest gun laws in the nation. It’s up there.

But it’s also adjacent to one of the weakest gun law states in the nation, which means the guns flow freely up the Iron Pipeline. Many of the guns used are being purchased elsewhere for use in Chicago.

NYC has a similar Iron Pipeline, as majority of guns used in crimes are purchased elsewhere. Crime in NYC (and the US as a whole) has been on decline for 20 years. NYC is at or near historic lows across the board on crime.

Where crime is on the rise? The Trump admin, which drained the swamp and funneled all the criminality into the WH.

Even GOPers are starting to complain about how the Trump admin isn’t getting it done. Well, they want the corruption and sabotage to go much faster, which isn’t the same thing as recognizing that they’re doing something wrong.

Indeed and that there is why I think it’s wrong to treat guns as a state/local issue. Indiana guns go to Chicago just as Virginia guns have gone to D.C.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:21:44am

re: #244 lawhawk

Even GOPers are starting to complain about how the Trump admin isn’t getting it done.

True, but so little, so late and largely guys on the way out of politics. That grudge we rightly hold against Trump voters, the unrepentant deplorables? Cubed when aimed at our representatives from the GOP in legislatures from DC to the state capitols. They let it get this far. However far tomorrow brings.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:24:31am

re: #234 ObserverArt

Same crap was on Morning Edition on NPR this morning.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:27:21am

re: #240 wheat-dogg

There were whisperings of the Paradise Papers dropping several weeks ago; mostly it was just rumors floating around the sections of the Internet haunted by journalists.

Could be. I can see it’s the lead story on The Guardian website.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:28:05am

re: #249 Amory Blaine

Same crap was on Morning Edition on NPR this morning.

You know, it’s really hard for me to feel bad for people like that. Trump a tough guy? Haha I can’t even but anyhow. I agree with OA. Trump is a problem for sure but so many of our fellow citizens are easily conned.

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:28:54am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:29:04am

re: #250 Dr Lizardo

There were whisperings of the Paradise Papers dropping several weeks ago; mostly it was just rumors floating around the sections of the Internet haunted by journalists.

Could be. I can see it’s the lead story on The Guardian website.

Inasmuch as several prominent British politicians and Queen’s own private invest firm are implicated…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:31:04am

re: #252 makeitstop

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I didn’t get anything thankfully.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:33:35am

re: #253 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Inasmuch as several prominent British politicians and Queen’s own private invest firm are implicated…

Of course, but the Bannon/Mercer/offshore thing is definitely front and center, at least for today.

Yeah, lots of British pols are feeling a bit of heat right now. I wonder how the Queen is taking it? Perhaps walking the grounds of Balmoral Castle, muttering obscenities under her breath, with only the Corgis to hear it.

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:35:42am

re: #254 HappyWarrior

I didn’t get anything thankfully.

Gotta wonder where that mailing list came from, tho.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:36:07am

re: #247 HappyWarrior

The news that the Texas church shooter was supposed to be unable to buy gun under existing law is a real pisser. If we can’t pass the obvious bans like bump stock, can they at least do a better job with the laws already passed and long in? Some regard this argument as an argument against new laws. FTR, not intended here. I just think better enforcement like running down prohibited persons and getting the guns back out of illegal possession will help on the street.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:36:33am

re: #255 Dr Lizardo

I hope Larry shits in her hat. :)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:37:21am

re: #255 Dr Lizardo

Of course, but the Bannon/Mercer/offshore thing is definitely front and center, at least for today.

Yeah, lots of British pols are feeling a bit of heat right now. I wonder how the Queen is taking it? Perhaps walking the grounds of Balmoral Castle, muttering obscenities under her breath, with only the Corgis to hear it.

Yeah, the Royal Family was doing well in public opinion since the days following Diana’s demise, but now they are really being seen by many as an archaic, as a parasitical appendage that needs to be excised and put out to pasture.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:37:21am

re: #256 makeitstop

Gotta wonder where that mailing list came from, tho.

From Russia with Love Theme Song - James Bond

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:41:29am

re: #257 Unshaken Defiance

The news that the Texas church shooter was supposed to be unable to buy gun under existing law is a real pisser. If we can’t pass the obvious bans like bump stock, can they at least do a better job with the laws already passed and long in? Some regard this argument as an argument against new laws. FTR, not intended here. I just think better enforcement like running down prohibited persons and getting the guns back out of illegal possession will help on the street.

I agree with you on that. Better enforcement is needed for sure. When I say, I disagree with arguing it as a state/local issue, I think it does ignore that all of our states are connected in some way. Like take D.C. for example, you can literally walk to Virginia from D.C. or take a train. When wingnuts talk about Chicago, they ignore A) its close proximity to Indiana and B) That it actually doesn’t have the strictest gun laws in the nation. I agree with you. The laws we have right now need to be better enforced. Nothing unreasonable at all about that.

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Belafon  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:46:16am

re: #257 Unshaken Defiance

The news that the Texas church shooter was supposed to be unable to buy gun under existing law is a real pisser. If we can’t pass the obvious bans like bump stock, can they at least do a better job with the laws already passed and long in? Some regard this argument as an argument against new laws. FTR, not intended here. I just think better enforcement like running down prohibited persons and getting the guns back out of illegal possession will help on the street.

Making the seller responsible will go a long way.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:49:19am

re: #262 Belafon

Making the seller responsible will go a long way.

I agree with that as well especially if a ton of weapons are being sold.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:52:26am

re: #262 Belafon

Making the seller responsible will go a long way.

I agree but this seems like such a pain in the ass to enforce.

Dude is selling a gun. I go buy it. With cash. Where’s the paper trail? Where’s the accountability? How would authorities even know this was happening let alone have any power to stop it?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:54:01am

re: #264 Eclectic Cyborg

I agree but this seems like such a pain in the ass to enforce.

Dude is selling a gun. I go buy it. With cash. Where’s the paper trail? Where’s the accountability? How would authorities even know this was happening let alone have any power to stop it?

Don’t we regulate all sales of automobiles? I seem to recall when a teenager bought one of my Dad’s old cars from an ad, there was a lot of paper work involved in the transfer. I think guns should operate under a similar principle.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:57:18am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Agreed, but you still have to trust the seller to do the paperwork every time. A cash sale in the middle of the night could be easily missed.

Also, do you really think we’ll ever get the GOP to agree to that?

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Belafon  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:57:36am

re: #264 Eclectic Cyborg

I agree but this seems like such a pain in the ass to enforce.

Dude is selling a gun. I go buy it. With cash. Where’s the paper trail? Where’s the accountability? How would authorities even know this was happening let alone have any power to stop it?

If you or the buyer doesn’t tell the state that you sold a car, you can be held liable for any wrecks from the car. We require guns to be registered, and to transferred when sold.

And if someone brings up Red Dawn, remind them that it’s a movie, and ask them their thoughts on talking race cars.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:58:12am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Don’t we regulate all sales of automobiles? I seem to recall when a teenager bought one of my Dad’s old cars from an ad, there was a lot of paper work involved in the transfer. I think guns should operate under a similar principle.

I agree, but unfortunately, we all know that such a step, registered firearms, would severely disturb the NRA’s masturbatory Red Dawn fantasies.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:58:38am

re: #267 Belafon

If you or the buyer doesn’t tell the state that you sold a car, you can be held liable for any wrecks from the car. We require guns to be registered, and to transferred when sold.

And if someone brings up Red Dawn, remind them that it’s a movie, and ask them their thoughts on talking race cars.

LOL

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:59:53am

re: #266 Eclectic Cyborg

Agreed, but you still have to trust the seller to do the paperwork every time. A cash sale in the middle of the night could be easily missed.

Also, do you really think we’ll ever get the GOP to agree to that?

True, true.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:00:39am

re: #268 Dr Lizardo

I agree, but unfortunately, we all know that such a step, registered firearms, would severely disturb the NRA’s masturbatory Red Dawn fantasies.

Yeah I know. It’s all so frustrating especially since the NRA has been opposing proposals they once strongly supported.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:01:01am

re: #268 Dr Lizardo

I agree, but unfortunately, we all know that such a step, registered firearms, would severely disturb the NRA’s masturbatory Red Dawn fantasies.

Nothing is going to change as long as the NRA and the Gun Lobby (pretty much the same thing nowadays) continue to convince Americans that guns are a magic talisman that will protect us all from crime, terrorism and tyranny.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:01:45am

And let me say, I’m tired of scapegoating people with mental illness. And furthermore if we’re that concerned about mental illness, let’s actually do something rather than pretend we care about it after shootings. As someone who has suffered from anxiety, I know that better access to Lexapro has helped me.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:04:04am

re: #272 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Nothing is going to change as long as the NRA and the Gun Lobby (pretty much the same thing nowadays) continue to convince Americans that guns are a magic talisman that will protect us all from crime, terrorism and tyranny.

Yep…..for them, a firearm is full protection against all manner of evils. Sort of like all those bogus “true cross” relics that used to be floating around Crusades-era Europe.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:06:42am

re: #274 Dr Lizardo

Yep…..for them, a firearm is full protection against all manner of evils. Sort of like all those bogus “true cross” relics that used to be floating around Crusades-era Europe.

No wonder Christ fell carrying the cross to Golgotha. It must have been ENORMOUS!!!
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:06:54am

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Yeah I know. It’s all so frustrating especially since the NRA has been opposing proposals they once strongly supported.

They’ve become straight-up absolutists. And apparently, that’s not extreme enough for some folks, so for them, there’s Gun Owners of America, which makes the NRA look like Greenpeace.

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:07:06am

re: #272 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

crime, terrorism and tyranny.

I read that fast and thought it said ‘crime, tourism and tyranny.’

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I cannot.  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:08:48am

re: #277 makeitstop

Well…if tourists are too scared to come here, then it does protect us from tourists.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:09:12am

re: #275 Blind Frog Belly White

No wonder Christ fell carrying the cross to Golgotha. It must have been ENORMOUS!!!
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I’ve seen one of the “true cross” relics…..it was in a monastery in Greek Cyprus. Encased in a rather fancy silver display glass.

Hell, for all anyone knows, it could’ve been a discarded toothpick from some Middle Ages kebab joint somewhere in the Levant. But people believe it is indeed a genuine, bona-fide piece of the cross.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:10:30am

Ryan insists that prayer works? Really Paul. We have had two of our top five most deadly shootings in our history and you claim that? And please Paul stop acting like you give a shit about religion. We all know you worship Ayn Rand’s crackpot theories more than you do God.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:11:25am

re: #276 Dr Lizardo

They’ve become straight-up absolutists. And apparently, that’s not extreme enough for some folks, so for them, there’s Gun Owners of America, which makes the NRA look like Greenpeace.

That’s right. The thing is. The one side of the gun control debate has moved one direction and the other has more or less stayed constant but the media won’t tell you that. Dana Loesch in her infinite gun whining definitely won’t tell you that.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:12:06am

re: #273 HappyWarrior

I made the same point to my wife this morning. If guns aren’t the problem and mental health is, let’s get moving on that front. These gun fuckers don’t get to have it both ways.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:12:25am

I was nice with a self fancied progressive friend who said the progressives are refusing to back Northam. I let him know our state’s history of tight elections and the issues where Northam is miles better than Gillespie.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:13:57am

re: #282 Eclectic Cyborg

I made the same point to my wife this morning. If guns aren’t the problem and mental health is, let’s get moving on that front. These gun fuckers don’t get to have it both ways.

Right. Let’s actually do something about mental health instead of using it after a shooting. The thing is it’s just a scapegoat for Republicans. I haven’t seen anything that suggests that Kelley had a mental illness. I think the mental illness stuff is because we don’t want to see ourselves in these shooters. It terrifies us that someone in their right mind could gun down 26 innocent people in a church and I get that but scapegoating those with mental illness isn’t the way.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:15:38am

I am a Christian. I don’t hide that. I do pray, but I also believe in SUPPORTIVE, MEANINGFUL ACTION to go along with the prayer.

I’ll pray for healing but I am still going to listen to my doctors and take my medicine.

I’ll pray for my finances but I’m still going to carefully budget.

I’ll pray for my family but I’m still going to do whatever I can to help them.

Jesus didn’t just pray, you know?

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MsJ  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:15:52am

re: #102 Targetpractice

Huckaboo’s gonna look like a deer in headlights tomorrow.

Nah, she’ll just say it never happened. It doesn’t matter what anyone testifies to. Nope, didn’t happen. No one testified. No one said anything. Bowling Green Forever! FTW!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:16:55am

re: #286 MsJ

Besides, doesn’t she always look like a deer in the headlights?

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:18:36am

The hell is this? Addled and dumb as a rock.

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plansbandc  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:18:54am

Mayoral election today. (Non-partisan, yeah right)

The choices:

A good solid Dem with plenty of legislative experience who’s smart and definitely has a plan for the city.

A Republican anti sanctuary city, anti immigrant ordained Baptist minister with a vague plan for something or other. Not really sure.

Dem pwned The R in a Q and A session by knowing actual fact about finance. So the R, who had been fairly personable and really pretty smart just went on a “fake news” blah de blah Trumpster attack that completely showed his true colors.

I shook both of their hands. Eww. I shook a R’s hand. :D

Sincerely hoping for our city, that my candidate wins.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:19:25am

re: #285 Eclectic Cyborg

I am a Christian. I don’t hide that. I do pray, but I also believe in SUPPORTIVE, MEANINGFUL ACTION to go along with the prayer.

I’ll pray for healing but I am still going to listen to my doctors and take my medicine.

I’ll pray for my finances but I’m still going to carefully budget.

I’ll pray for my family but I’m still going to do whatever I can to help them.

Jesus didn’t just pray, you know?

No shame in praying at all. However, as you say action matters too. And elected Republicans who offer prayer after these shootings do have the ability to make action. The right has twisted criticism of the prayers as someone how an attack on prayer and Christianity but what it is, it’s a criticism of empty action by people who have the capability to do something. I don’t mind the lay citizen offering his prayers after a shooting. There’s only so much he can do but Speaker Paul Ryan and the hundreds of other elected Republicans, YOU are a lawmaker. You can do more than give your prayers and you’re full of shit when you claim we can’t “legislate” evil because we do. It’s not as if murder isn’t a crime.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:20:03am

re: #282 Eclectic Cyborg

I made the same point to my wife this morning. If guns aren’t the problem and mental health is, let’s get moving on that front. These gun fuckers don’t get to have it both ways.

And then you get the “100% of mass shooters were on meds” idiots chiming in.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:20:23am

re: #289 plansbandc

Mayoral election today. (Non-partisan, yeah right)

The choices:

A good solid Dem with plenty of legislative experience who’s smart and definitely has a plan for the city.

A Republican anti sanctuary city, anti immigrant ordained Baptist minister with a vague plan for something or other. Not really sure.

Dem pwned The R in a Q and A session by knowing actual fact about finance. So the R, who had been fairly personable and really pretty smart just went on a “fake news blah de blah Trumpster attack that complete showed his full colors.

I shook both of their hands. Eww. I shook a R’s hand. :D

Sincerely hoping for our city, that my candidate wins.

That really seems like most elections these days.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:21:15am

re: #288 JordanRules

The hell is this? Addled and dumb as a rock.

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I have no idea how one would say, “Jesus Harold Christ, this guy is dumber than a bag of hammers” in Korean, but I imagine that’s probably what they’re saying right about now.

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Belafon  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:23:04am

re: #293 Dr Lizardo

I have no idea how one would say, “Jesus Harold Christ, this guy is dumber than a bag of hammers” in Korean, but I imagine that’s probably what they’re saying right about now.

I would love to know the equivalent Korean idioms.

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danarchy  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:23:58am

re: #279 Dr Lizardo

I’ve seen one of the “true cross” relics…..it was in a monastery in Greek Cyprus. Encased in a rather fancy silver display glass.

Hell, for all anyone knows, it could’ve been a discarded toothpick from some Middle Ages kebab joint somewhere in the Levant. But people believe it is indeed a genuine, bona-fide piece of the cross.

I think most of those “True Cross” relics are from the “True Cross” found by Constantine’s mom Helena. So probably predates the middle ages by a little bit. Probably about as likely to be from the wood of Jesus’ cross as my coffee table though.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:24:00am

re: #288 JordanRules

The hell is this? Addled and dumb as a rock.

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Those pops you hear are the exploding heads of English teachers all over the country.

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:24:25am

re: #293 Dr Lizardo

I have no idea how one would say, “Jesus Harold Christ, this guy is dumber than a bag of hammers” in Korean, but I imagine that’s probably what they’re saying right about now.

For the record:

예수 해 롤 드 그리스도,이 사람은 망치의 가방 보다 멍 청 하다

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lawhawk  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:28:23am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:35:22am

re: #298 lawhawk

Dude, that thread is amazing.

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ObserverArt  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:35:34am

re: #267 Belafon

If you or the buyer doesn’t tell the state that you sold a car, you can be held liable for any wrecks from the car. We require guns to be registered, and to transferred when sold.

And if someone brings up Red Dawn, remind them that it’s a movie, and ask them their thoughts on talking race cars.

Well, a good race car driver does listen to his car. It’s a good way of knowing when something mechanically might be going wrong and you want to know that before you crash. So, the car does “talk.”

Heh. Never saw the movie…

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lawhawk  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:37:10am

re: #298 lawhawk

Burying the lede:

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:38:13am

What a corrupt wanker!

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:38:59am

re: #298 lawhawk

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That thread should be required reading for every member of Congress, especially those taking wheelbarrows full of NRA dough. I’m looking at you, Ted Cruz.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:39:12am

re: #302 JordanRules

We really should realize that all these Trump guys are dirty as fuck.

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Belafon  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:40:17am

re: #302 JordanRules

What a corrupt wanker!

This is the kind of thing Trump would fire a person over.

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lawhawk  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:40:26am

re: #304 Eclectic Cyborg

We really should realize that all these Trump guys are dirty as fuck.

We did realize it; the GOP just didn’t give a fuck. They wanted their cronies in there doing all kinds of damage and looting the Treasury to further the right wing nihilist agenda.

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ObserverArt  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:41:10am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Ryan insists that prayer works? Really Paul. We have had two of our top five most deadly shootings in our history and you claim that? And please Paul stop acting like you give a shit about religion. We all know you worship Ayn Rand’s crackpot theories more than you do God.

It helps those that Obama told us about. Those that cling to their guns and religion. Works for them as a way to excuse the reality of the world.

Marx did say (Translated): “Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people”.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:41:29am

re: #305 Belafon

Yup! I had that same thought this morning.
Take your fancy velvet slippers and go!

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:42:16am

re: #299 Eclectic Cyborg

Dude, that thread is amazing.

One mini-thread within that thread caught my eye; about how the movie First Blood has a strong undercurrent - the titular hero had been trained to kill, and was exceedingly good at it, and he could simply no longer fit into normal civilian life, becoming a vagrant, until his mind snaps after an encounter with small-town bastard cops and his lethal training comes back to the surface.

And that’s true…..that’s all there in First Blood. But it gets buried in all the action.

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austin_blue  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:44:18am

re: #210 Targetpractice

It’s “true” in the grand red state tradition: The locals sponge off federal dollars, then bitch about how “the government” is “ruining their lives.”

The optimal R demographics in Virginia are epitomized in Danville and Floyd.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:44:46am
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Jay C  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:44:53am

re: #295 danarchy

I think most of those “True Cross” relics are from the “True Cross” found by Constantine’s mom Helena. So probably predates the middle ages by a little bit. Probably about as likely to be from the wood of Jesus’ cross as my coffee table though.

Yep: according to legends, St Helena had three crosses dug up in Jerusalem,* but didn’t know which was which until they brought out a sick (or dead) woman who was healed (or resurrected) by the touch of the “true” cross. Methinks Old Nell just MAY have been scammed.

Don’t know how true it is, but I read somewhere that somebody had made an exhaustive study of the “Relics Of The True Cross”, and calculated that the extant fragments only added up to about 2 cubic feet of wood: IOW, only a fraction of what an actual cross would have been. Maybe the rest WAS made into coffee tables…..

*three hundred years or so later: right…….

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:48:39am

re: #312 Jay C

Yep: according to legends, St Helena had three crosses dug up in Jerusalem,* but didn’t know which was which until they brought out a sick (or dead) woman who was healed (or resurrected) by the touch of the “true” cross. Methinks Old Nell just MAY have been scammed.

Don’t know how true it is, but I read somewhere that somebody had made an exhaustive study of the “Relics Of The True Cross”, and calculated that the extant fragments only added up to about 2 cubic feet of wood: IOW, only a fraction of what an actual cross would have been. Maybe the rest WAS made into coffee tables…..

*three hundred years or so later: right…….

A fascinating bit of history - I didn’t know that.

Only two cubic feet of wood, eh? Yeah, sounds to me like St. Helena fell victim to some particularly slick con-artists.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:51:58am

This Carter Page testimony is just so bizarre. I can’t even read too much at once before I’m too conflicted about my facial expressions in response. Geez Louise!

So 2013. Don’t forget this little puzzle piece as you contemplate all of it.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:53:54am

re: #314 JordanRules

And IIRC, his Russian handlers regarded Page as a moron.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:54:35am

re: #313 Dr Lizardo

A fascinating bit of history - I didn’t know that.

Only two cubic feet of wood, eh? Yeah, sounds to me like St. Helena fell victim to some particularly slick con-artists.

Those scams are still ongoing BTW, considering the recent archaeological finds of the “James Ossuary” and other artifacts claimed to belong to members of Jesus’ family by shady antiquities traders, and gullible but rich suckers like the “Hobby Lobby” owners.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:54:48am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 7:59:20am

Is Page really this stupid?

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Jay C  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:01:08am

re: #318 HappyWarrior

Is Page really this stupid?

Either that, or this is some sort of AAA-rated ratf&ck….

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Decatur Deb  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:03:28am

re: #316 The Vicious Babushka

Those scams are still ongoing BTW, considering the recent archaeological finds of the “James Ossuary” and other artifacts claimed to belong to members of Jesus’ family by shady antiquities traders, and gullible but rich suckers like the “Hobby Lobby” owners.

Aided by quack renegade archaeologists on the “It’s Aliens” channels.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:12:34am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Yeah I saw something on the Twitters saying DeVos, Tillerson and a bunch of other Secretaries were going to resign. Gah. There sure is some stupids even among The Left on social media.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:13:58am

re: #320 Decatur Deb

Aided by quack renegade archaeologists on the “It’s Aliens” channels.

I’m not saying ‘it’s aliens’, but….

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:16:21am

re: #314 JordanRules

This Carter Page testimony is just so bizarre. I can’t even read too much at once before I’m too conflicted about my facial expressions in response. Geez Louise!

So 2013. Don’t forget this little puzzle piece as you contemplate all of it.

I’m still trying to figure out what the hell he’s doing.

I’m not sure how, but I’m thinking he’s working to taint the entire collusion story, either by laying it all out in the open and trying to normalize it, or attempting to taint future testimony somehow.

I really do not get it, though.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:17:37am

re: #257 Unshaken Defiance

The news that the Texas church shooter was supposed to be unable to buy gun under existing law is a real pisser. If we can’t pass the obvious bans like bump stock, can they at least do a better job with the laws already passed and long in? Some regard this argument as an argument against new laws. FTR, not intended here. I just think better enforcement like running down prohibited persons and getting the guns back out of illegal possession will help on the street.

So do we know how he was able to buy the guns? I saw where the military apparently didn’t forward information about his domestic violence incidents. Did he buy them at unregulated gun shows?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:17:51am

re: #323 makeitstop

I’m still trying to figure out what the hell he’s doing.

I’m not sure how, but I’m thinking he’s working to taint the entire collusion story, either by laying it all out in the open and trying to normalize it, or attempting to taint future testimony somehow.

I really do not get it, though.

It could possibly be that he is that dumb and thinks he did nothing wrong.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:18:28am

re: #321 Sir John Barron

Yeah I saw something on the Twitters saying DeVos, Tillerson and a bunch of other Secretaries were going to resign. Gah. There sure is some stupids even among The Left on social media.

They are having massive staffing problems, but to the GOP, that is a desired effect: “fewer bureaucrats”.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:19:34am

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

It was my great honor to have lunch with our INCREDIBLE U.S. and ROK troops at Camp Humphreys, in South Korea. 🇺🇸🇰🇷
— Donald J. Trump

It was actually their great honor to eat with ME! They loved me. I got many cheers. Standing ovations!

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:20:01am

re: #325 HappyWarrior

It could possibly be that he is that dumb and thinks he did nothing wrong.

I agree. I think Page just really is the living embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:21:22am

Good news though. All Virginia polls released yesterday have Northam with a lead.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:22:20am

re: #327 Sir John Barron

It was actually their great honor to eat with ME! They loved me. I got many cheers. Standing ovations!

There are places in Chuncheon where he can re-live his Vietnam war experiences.

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:23:40am

re: #325 HappyWarrior

It could possibly be that he is that dumb and thinks he did nothing wrong.

It’s hard to imagine someone that dumb rising through the ranks and actually getting to where he is now.

That said - looking at who currently occupies the White House, I guess anything is possible.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:24:53am

re: #331 makeitstop

It’s hard to imagine someone that dumb rising through the ranks and actually getting to where he is now.

That said - looking at who currently occupies the White House, I guess anything is possible.

Yeah after Trump, I really can believe someone that dumb can get anywhere with the right connections, right amount of money, right amount of ignorance, etc.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:27:44am

re: #332 HappyWarrior

Yeah after Trump, I really can believe someone that dumb can get anywhere with the right connections, right amount of money, right amount of ignorance, etc.

I learned that when I was seven years old. There was a girl in my neighborhood, Jodie IIRC, and she often wore a T-shirt that said, “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit”.

That was 40 years ago.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:28:11am

re: #329 HappyWarrior

Good news though. All Virginia polls released yesterday have Northam with a lead.

Fingers crossed.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:29:35am

re: #334 Sir John Barron

Fingers crossed.

Yep. I’ll advise as TP did earlier not to fret when early results start favoring the Republicans though.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:30:57am

Damn, it’s election day, isn’t it?

I need to remember to go pickup cheeseburgers for the kids.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:31:04am

re: #331 makeitstop

Yep on both accounts. I’m conflicted. I don’t have a clue what the deal with Page is, but I’m damn sure eager to find out.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:39:31am

re: #336 FormerDirtDart

Damn, it’s election day, isn’t it?

I need to remember to go pickup cheeseburgers for the kids.

Last year

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gocart mozart  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:39:40am
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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:41:47am

re: #329 HappyWarrior

Good news though. All Virginia polls released yesterday have Northam with a lead.

Turned off CNN on SiriusXM when they had some person on saying how the Dems should lose Virginia so they could get some focus…..

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:42:56am

I’m not sure Page just being an idiot makes sense when you dig into his past. Some fascinating stuff in here. This piece is from March this year.

Carter Page, Trump Aide With Russia Ties, Is Also an Energy Scholar: Here’s What He’s Written

desmogblog.com

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Decatur Deb  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:43:09am

re: #337 JordanRules

Yep on both accounts. I’m conflicted. I don’t have a clue what the deal with Page is, but I’m damn sure eager to find out.

Bambi Strategy. He’s betting he’s so cute and so stupid that Mueller won’t take him for a trophy.

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LastYearsMan  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:45:25am

It really really pains me to speak well of Trump … But this was excellent at so many levels. Here he is, hugging a Korean comfort woman, one of the few remaining sex slaves from the Pacific War. And that’s after Japan complained about even having a comfort woman at the state dinner at all. Powerful gesture and very important.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:47:09am

Air Force Chief Master Sgt Slain In Texas Church Shooting Was Everything His Killer Was Not

Retired Air Force Chief Master Sgt. Robert Corrigan and his wife Shani were shot and killed when former airman Devin Patrick Kelley opened fire Nov. 5 at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas. They were just two of the 26 parishioners murdered and 20 others wounded by Kelley before he died of a gunshot in a high-speed chase with two bystanders. But Corrigan, 51, wasn’t just another innocent victim caught in the deadliest mass shooting in state history; he was everything that Kelly was not.

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meteor  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:47:44am

re: #301 lawhawk

Amen.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:50:18am

re: #340 bill d. (b.d.)

Turned off CNN on SiriusXM when they had some person on saying how the Dems should lose Virginia so they could get some focus…..

Now that’s just plain stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:51:46am

re: #343 LastYearsMan

It really really pains me to speak well of Trump … But this was excellent at so many levels. Here he is, hugging a Korean comfort woman, one of the few remaining sex slaves from the Pacific War. And that’s after Japan complained about even having a comfort woman at the state dinner at all. Powerful gesture and very important.

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That is a good gesture. Japan like ourselves needs to learn from its past and make a better future so that sort of thing never happens again.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:52:12am

re: #346 HappyWarrior

Now that’s just plain stupid.

There certainly appears to be a lot of that going around

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:55:09am

re: #348 FormerDirtDart

There certainly appears to be a lot of that going around

One of my out of state holier than thou lefty friends when I posted my planned ballot for today talked about how the progressives are refusing to support Northam. I told him in a gentle way that would be a huge mistake given that Northam is A) significantly better than GIllespie and B) our state has a history of close races. I just don’t get these people. I mean, I can understand having a different preference in the primary- I backed Perriello and as you guys know spent many a Saturday doing campaign work for him whether it was phone calls or knocking doors but since Ralph won in June, he’s had my full support and I knocked doors for him too. I think they have no idea how to build real change and it’s a shame because there are a lot of important issues in this state and country.

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gwangung  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:57:54am

re: #349 HappyWarrior

One of my out of state holier than thou lefty friends when I posted my planned ballot for today talked about how the progressives are refusing to support Northam. I told him in a gentle way that would be a huge mistake given that Northam is A) significantly better than GIllespie and B) our state has a history of close races. I just don’t get these people. I mean, I can understand having a different preference in the primary- I backed Perriello and as you guys know spent many a Saturday doing campaign work for him whether it was phone calls or knocking doors but since Ralph won in June, he’s had my full support and I knocked doors for him too. I think they have no idea how to build real change and it’s a shame because there are a lot of important issues in this state and country.

Very similar to the right wing dudes in office. They have no ability to bring legislation to the floor, no sense on where and when to compromise and couldn’t work together to get anything done.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:58:00am

Want to see something just a bit scary?

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Skip Intro  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:58:21am

re: #304 Eclectic Cyborg

We really should realize that all these Trump guys are dirty as fuck.

I realize it, for all the good it does.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:59:39am

re: #343 LastYearsMan

Credit where credit is due; that’s a decent gesture.

And Japan really needs to come to terms with its sometimes less-then-glorious past. But then again, there’s quite a few countries that need to do that (I’m looking at you, Turkey - amongst others).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 8:59:45am

re: #350 gwangung

Very similar to the right wing dudes in office. They have no ability to bring legislation to the floor, no sense on where and when to compromise and couldn’t work together to get anything done.

To be honest with you, I was shocked learning how little Sanders had actually gotten accomplished since being in office in Primary Season. But yeah compromise is a dirty word to purists left and right. I have my core values obviously but I believe progress is a journey not an event.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:00:14am

re: #346 HappyWarrior

Now that’s just plain stupid.

It was real stupid, Dems will learn a valuable lesson that will be good for the party as a whole if they lose blah, blah, blah

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:02:12am

I’m sorry but I feel real discomfort seeing an admitted sexual abuser hugging victims.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:05:05am

re: #356 JordanRules

Especially someone who threatened to sue his victims.

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dangerman  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:05:16am

re: #355 bill d. (b.d.)

It was real stupid, Dems will learn a valuable lesson that will be good for the party as a whole if they lose blah, blah, blah

wasn’t that supposed to happen with last year’s loss?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:06:11am

re: #356 JordanRules

I’m sorry but I feel real discomfort seeing an admitted sexual abuser hugging victims.

I do hear ya. I’m just glad that past isn’t being ignored.

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MsJ  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:06:34am

re: #314 JordanRules

This Carter Page testimony is just so bizarre. I can’t even read too much at once before I’m too conflicted about my facial expressions in response. Geez Louise!

So 2013. Don’t forget this little puzzle piece as you contemplate all of it.

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Reading his testimony makes me think he really is a few fries short of a Happy Meal. It was total crazy start to finish. That he has no lawyer is, in itself, nuts.

Someone was worried that this is some kind of setup. I think he’s just looney tunes…in the clinical sense.

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gocart mozart  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:07:41am
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Belafon  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:08:24am

re: #358 dangerman

wasn’t that supposed to happen with last year’s loss?

What the green-tea party types hope to do is replicate the Tea Party’s taking over of the Republican party by making it so that the Democratic party believes that the only way it will win is to kiss up to them.

The problem is that the tea party had a huge advantage. If they lost, the country wasn’t going to go to shit, they weren’t going to lose Medicare or Medicaid, their kids would still get to go to school, and a whole host of other things. If the left loses, more and more will be taken away.

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:09:16am

re: #360 MsJ

Someone was worried that this is some kind of setup. I think he’s just looney tunes…in the clinical sense.

That would be me. I still believe there’s some kind of wacky angle to his behavior, but I’ll be damned if I can begin to figure out what it is.

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ObserverArt  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:09:39am

re: #338 FormerDirtDart

Last year

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Eyes on the prize.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:09:48am

re: #331 makeitstop

It’s hard to imagine someone that dumb rising through the ranks and actually getting to where he is now.

Dilbert principle.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:11:44am

Goddamn, I know he wasn’t nominated but can I just say how proud I am to have backed Tom Perriello this Spring. He’s doing everything a candidate should be doing after a tough primary loss. He’s rallying people not just for Northam, Fairfax, and Herring but also for their local House of Delegates races. So to you Tom, I say Thank You. Thank you for being all class even though you were obviously disappointed by this Spring’s results, you didn’t let your ego get in the way of the big picture.

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William Lewis  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:12:01am

re: #309 Dr Lizardo

One mini-thread within that thread caught my eye; about how the movie First Blood has a strong undercurrent - the titular hero had been trained to kill, and was exceedingly good at it, and he could simply no longer fit into normal civilian life, becoming a vagrant, until his mind snaps after an encounter with small-town bastard cops and his lethal training comes back to the surface.

And that’s true…..that’s all there in First Blood. But it gets buried in all the action.

And he is killed like the proverbial rabid dog in the book but that was not a Hollywood acceptable ending.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:12:12am

re: #363 makeitstop

After reading some of his stuff and reviewing some of his history I’m leaning away from ‘just an idiot’.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:13:30am

re: #366 HappyWarrior

He has been amazing - very visible, clear and focused! Great ally.

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:16:00am

re: #368 JordanRules

After read some of his stuff and reviewing some of his history I’m leaning away from ‘just an idiot’.

I’ve always thought there was more to it.

Everyone’s treating him like just some wacky dude who’s doing wacky shit - ‘Ha ha, he’s testifying under oath to Congress without a lawyer!! What a scamp!!’

Not buying it. Nope.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:16:02am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:16:55am

re: #369 JordanRules

He has been amazing - very visible, clear and focused! Great ally.

He’s a terrific guy. I’ve met him twice. The best thing about Tom I think is not just that he’s a great ally but he has a wonderful sense of empathy. When he talked about police brutality on the campaign trail as a primary candidate, he talked about how with him, he was just characterized as a hyperactive youth while a less well off black kid wouldn’t have gotten that luxury and man he is great at answering questions. He doesn’t give cookie cutter answers. He takes your individual question seriously. I like Ralph and know he’ll be a great governor but I hope Tom considers running again here in Va.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:18:21am

re: #371 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

David Bowie and Rock ‘n’ Roll’s Statutory Rape Problem (The Daily Beast)

The Bill Wyman case I thought was particularly weird since he became his own step son and brother in law.

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ObserverArt  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:20:09am

re: #360 MsJ

Reading his testimony makes me think he really is a few fries short of a Happy Meal. It was total crazy start to finish. That he has no lawyer is, in itself, nuts.

Someone was worried that this is some kind of setup. I think he’s just looney tunes…in the clinical sense.

I think he may be super intelligent and amuses himself by playing games with people. He’s gotten too far into all of this to just be crazy.

Some super smart people think they can game everything and everyone. I get the feeling Carter is enjoying all of this.

He may just have the goods to blow this whole investigation wide open and he knows it. He may figure he has enough dirt on the big people in all this he can use it to keep himself out of jail.

But he sure is the most interesting character in all of this. I see books and maybe even a movie about this guy. Plus Saturday Night Live skits.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:20:42am

The
Balls
On
This
Guy

Freakin’ Trump ran on how America had turned into a brutal dystopian wasteland

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MsJ  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:21:22am

re: #340 bill d. (b.d.)

Turned off CNN on SiriusXM when they had some person on saying how the Dems should lose Virginia so they could get some focus…..

Ratfucking, plain and simple.

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451_Montag  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:21:39am

re: #323 makeitstop

I’m still trying to figure out what the hell he’s doing.

I’m not sure how, but I’m thinking he’s working to taint the entire collusion story, either by laying it all out in the open and trying to normalize it, or attempting to taint future testimony somehow.

I really do not get it, though.

I get the feeling it is 2 things combined.

He is trying to lay out enough information to force cover from Trump, by letting him know what he could possibly testify to in the hopes of a pardon. Just teasing as it were. He must know he is the most exposed of them all, but I am sure he knows where the bodies are buried, so is advertising that. In fact I have always felt he was the key link to Russia, plausibly deniable and able to be the go between, without raising to many eyebrows. But being a braggart he couldn’t resist letting people know he was somewhat important.

and he is bugfuck nuts

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:22:09am

re: #375 FormerDirtDart

The
Balls
On
This
Guy

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Freakin’ Trump ran on how America had turned into a brutal dystopian wasteland

So Bill how come you never said anything to Trump when he acted like our nation’s cities were hell holes. And yes violent crime has droped, that much is true but mass shootings happen more frequently. Maybe you should take a break from writing poorly written historical books and actually try to figure why that is.

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MsJ  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:22:31am

re: #356 JordanRules

I’m sorry but I feel real discomfort seeing an admitted sexual abuser hugging victims.

That was my take, too. It wasn’t a sweet gesture. It made my stomach knot up.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:22:35am

re: #376 MsJ

Ratfucking, plain and simple.

Thankfully there’s not a Green Party candidate here to ratfuck with the purer than thou.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:23:31am

re: #375 FormerDirtDart

The
Balls
On
This
Guy

Freakin’ Trump ran on how America had turned into a brutal dystopian wasteland

Actually violent crime has fallen by eleventy hundred percent since January 20, when coincidentally, unemployment plunged from 45 percent to 0 percent.

////

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:24:34am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:24:47am

re: #381 Sir John Barron

Actually violent crime has fallen by eleventy hundred percent since January 20, when coincidentally, unemployment plunged from 45 percent to 0 percent.

////

It’s amazing how much Trump has gotten away with lying about the very state of our nation. I suggest the slogan in 2020 by A-MAGA. Actually, Make America Great Again.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:25:06am

re: #382 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

Sleazy Republicans can’t win honestly so they do this shit.

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MsJ  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:25:28am

re: #370 makeitstop

I’ve always thought there was more to it.

Everyone’s treating him like just some wacky dude who’s doing wacky shit - ‘Ha ha, he’s testifying under oath to Congress without a lawyer!! What a scamp!!’

Not buying it. Nope.

I don’t think he is a scamp in the least. I think he’s nuts…which does not preclude any lack of intelligence. Both exist together quite naturally.

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:27:47am

re: #385 MsJ

I don’t think he is a scamp in the least. I think he’s nuts…which does not preclude any lack of intelligence. Both exist together quite naturally.

I didn’t mean you saw him that way. I’m talking more about the media and Twitter in general. He keeps getting asked on to these shows because the talent bookers see him as an entertaining way to fill a couple of chat segments.

I can’t help but think they’re playing into his hands somehow.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:28:11am

re: #382 FormerDirtDart

If this is not illegal it should be.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:28:44am

re: #367 William Lewis

And he is killed like the proverbial rabid dog in the book but that was not a Hollywood acceptable ending.

Yep. Besides, if they’ve killed him off, especially as it was in the novel, well………no franchi$e po$$ibility.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:29:37am

re: #383 HappyWarrior

It’s amazing how much Trump has gotten away with lying about the very state of our nation. I suggest the slogan in 2020 by A-MAGA. Actually, Make America Great Again.

For two years or more we were told that all the government’s employment and economy numbers were all bullshit. Now they’re accepted as gospel. People are so ridiculous in their bullshit.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:30:03am

re: #385 MsJ

I don’t think he is a scamp in the least. I think he’s nuts…which does not preclude any lack of intelligence. Both exist together quite naturally.

Sure….my dad knew a guy, a good friend, who was a brilliant architect - and “loonier than a bedbug” (to quote my dad).

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:30:05am

This is not vintage bully Christie at all, very tame. I’m just getting a kick out of his wife’s face.

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:30:37am

More of Preznit Stupid sticking his nose in where it ought not to be.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:35:18am

It’s obvious the Clinton crime syndicate has threatened Brazile’s life, coercing her to change her story

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Weaselone  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:35:42am

re: #362 Belafon

What the green-tea party types hope to do is replicate the Tea Party’s taking over of the Republican party by making it so that the Democratic party believes that the only way it will win is to kiss up to them.

The problem is that the tea party had a huge advantage. If they lost, the country wasn’t going to go to shit, they weren’t going to lose Medicare or Medicaid, their kids would still get to go to school, and a whole host of other things. If the left loses, more and more will be taken away.

The other huge advantage is that the Tea Party actually had a legitimate workable plan on how to take over the party.
Step 1. Be a member of the party or at least part of that party’s base
Step 2. Vote in every election, especially the party primaries
Step 3. Vote for the candidates most aligned with you in the primaries
Step 4. If your candidates lose the primary, vote for the party candidates in the general
Step 5. Continuously demand ideological fealty from your politicians
Step 6. Vote for an even more ideologically aligned candidate in the primaries next time.
Step 7. Lather, rinse and repeat

The Greens/Left plan
1. Don’t bother to vote
2. Pick a favored candidate, but don’t vote for them in the primary either because you can’t be bothered or you’re not actually a party member and can’t
3. Whine if your favored candidate loses
4. Don’t bother to vote in the general or vote third party vanity candidate
5. If Democrat wins whine about his/her impurity. If Democrat loses, insist your candidate would have won
6. Pick another real, true progressive to pin all your hopes to
7. Lather rinse and repeat.

The reason the left is irritating is specifically because they are not behaving like the Tea Party. They aren’t making themselves an indispensable and dependable part of the Party base. If they were active parts of the coalition and voting for all Democrats they’d have a bigger, more prominent seat as the table.

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ObserverArt  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:35:58am

re: #391 JordanRules

This is not vintage bully Christie at all, very tame. I’m just getting a kick out of his wife’s face.

[Embedded content]

Christie is such an asshole. No matter what he says it is always abrasive and arrogant.

I hope he goes away after his term is over. Though, the media will keep him around because abrasive, arrogant assholes apparently make good TV. And presidents.

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gwangung  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:37:55am

re: #394 Weaselone

The reason the left is irritating is specifically because they are not behaving like the Tea Party. They aren’t making themselves an indispensable and dependable part of the Party base. If they were active parts of the coalition and voting for all Democrats they’d have a bigger, more prominent seat as the table.

They consider that being “corrupt.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:38:01am

re: #395 ObserverArt

Christie is such an asshole. No matter what he says it is always abrasive and arrogant.

I hope he goes away after his term is over. Though, the media will keep him around because abrasive, arrogant assholes apparently make good TV. And presidents.

That’s exactly why he won’t go away. If Christie were a decent person, he’d just fade away.

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lawhawk  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:38:18am

Dumbasses (it’s Free Beacon writer, so I repeat myself) think that the neighbor saved lives by intervening.

1) timeline shows the murder spree was completed by the time the neighbor arrived with his own gun
2) 26 were killed before any “good guy” showed up
3) but for luck, it could have been 27 killed (the neighbor who showed up).

This didn’t stop any mass murder. This isn’t a success story. It shows the failure of thinking that more guns will solve anything (they didn’t, don’t, and wont).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:38:27am

re: #394 Weaselone

The other huge advantage is that the Tea Party actually had a legitimate workable plan on how to take over the party.

and the ideologues in the Left were totally clueles, leaving themselves totally open to being played and punked by ratfuckers from the RNC and Russia.

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gocart mozart  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:38:50am

Carter Page is my new favorite cartoon character. Sorry Buggs

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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:39:18am

re: #398 lawhawk

Government failure also means we shouldn’t have gun restrictions.

///

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Mike Lamb  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:44:19am

re: #398 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Dumbasses (it’s Free Beacon writer, so I repeat myself) think that the neighbor saved lives by intervening.

1) timeline shows the murder spree was completed by the time the neighbor arrived with his own gun
2) 26 were killed before any “good guy” showed up
3) but for luck, it could have been 27 killed (the neighbor who showed up).

This didn’t stop any mass murder. This isn’t a success story. It shows the failure of thinking that more guns will solve anything (they didn’t, don’t, and wont).

Apparently, a good guy (non-LEO/off-duty LEO) getting the bad guy renders irrelevant how many victims there were prior to that. It will shortly be revealed that Kelley was going to consume thousands with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightening from his arse but for the good guy with a gun.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:45:38am

re: #398 lawhawk

Dumbasses (it’s Free Beacon writer, so I repeat myself) think that the neighbor saved lives by intervening.

1) timeline shows the murder spree was completed by the time the neighbor arrived with his own gun
2) 26 were killed before any “good guy” showed up
3) but for luck, it could have been 27 killed (the neighbor who showed up).

This didn’t stop any mass murder. This isn’t a success story. It shows the failure of thinking that more guns will solve anything (they didn’t, don’t, and wont).

By next week (i.e. tomorrow) the story will be how a hero NRA dude killed the antifa atheist murderer who was supplied with weapons through Obama’s fast and furious program.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:45:47am

re: #398 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Dumbasses (it’s Free Beacon writer, so I repeat myself) think that the neighbor saved lives by intervening.

1) timeline shows the murder spree was completed by the time the neighbor arrived with his own gun
2) 26 were killed before any “good guy” showed up
3) but for luck, it could have been 27 killed (the neighbor who showed up).

This didn’t stop any mass murder. This isn’t a success story. It shows the failure of thinking that more guns will solve anything (they didn’t, don’t, and wont).

Also worth noting that the guy that wounded Kelley was a former NRA trainer, which (likely) means he himself had significant training/range time. Feels like there is a lesson there.

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ObserverArt  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:47:25am

re: #393 FormerDirtDart

It’s obvious the Clinton crime syndicate has threatened Brazile’s life, coercing her to change here story

[Embedded content]

I saw the CBS clip was not the whole interview. I found the full segment at YouTube.

I think it is important to hear all the words Brazile said. They take away some of the things being said about Clinton and Brazile, etc.

Donna Brazile on Democratic Party divisions, Clinton campaign

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KGxvi  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:48:39am

re: #398 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Dumbasses (it’s Free Beacon writer, so I repeat myself) think that the neighbor saved lives by intervening.

1) timeline shows the murder spree was completed by the time the neighbor arrived with his own gun
2) 26 were killed before any “good guy” showed up
3) but for luck, it could have been 27 killed (the neighbor who showed up).

This didn’t stop any mass murder. This isn’t a success story. It shows the failure of thinking that more guns will solve anything (they didn’t, don’t, and wont).

If the shooter had killed the neighbor, he could have taken the neighbor’s gun and killed more people.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:48:39am

re: #398 lawhawk

A bad guy who got his guns because of a gov failure was stopped by a former NRA trainer with his own rifle before police could even arrive.

— Stephen Gutowski

So, the cops suck then, right?

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:50:27am

Black journalist PWNS Richard Spencer. Watch this video, it is a thing of beauty, much better than the sucker punch.

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KGxvi  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:51:26am

I’ve been thinking recently about the idea of basic guaranteed income, and have been doing some very basic research on the idea. It’s quite interesting who has supported the idea in some way or another over the years: Thomas Paine, MLK, Milton Freedman, Nixon. Might do a page on it once I’ve got my thoughts in order.

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electrotek  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:51:32am

re: #353 Dr Lizardo

Credit where credit is due; that’s a decent gesture.

And Japan really needs to come to terms with its sometimes less-then-glorious past. But then again, there’s quite a few countries that need to do that (I’m looking at you, Turkey - amongst others).

Agreed.

But Turkey gets a disproportion of criticism for its refusal to acknowledge its past compared to Japan, for obvious reason.

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Kafitrar  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:54:49am

re: #382 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

Thanks for the heads-up. I just posted a message on Facebook to check with the state election webpage if you receive one of those calls. I can imagine that happening in New Jersey too.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:55:18am

re: #375 FormerDirtDart

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:57:23am
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KGxvi  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:58:44am

re: #413 FormerDirtDart

Overall violent crime has fallen, though O’Rielly wouldn’t have admitted that while working at FNC. However, a particular type of violent crime - mass shootings - are rising. These are not contradictory data points. It’s like saying that sales for candy in general are down, but for Whatchamacallits, sales are rising (trying to think of which candy isn’t particular popular, but that is one I do love).

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William Lewis  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:59:47am

re: #410 KGxvi

I’ve been thinking recently about the idea of basic guaranteed income, and have been doing some very basic research on the idea. It’s quite interesting who has supported the idea in some way or another over the years: Thomas Paine, MLK, Milton Freedman, Nixon. Might do a page on it once I’ve got my thoughts in order.

I support a version that pays out annually - you send in your tax form and if you’re below $x,000 you get a check for the amount to take you up to X. Some will waste it but more won’t and it would be a huge boost to the economy. I think giving people the presumption that they will use it correctly will get folks doing so.

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Alephnaught  Nov 7, 2017 • 9:59:51am

re: #371 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

David Bowie and Rock ‘n’ Roll’s Statutory Rape Problem (The Daily Beast)

Whilst this is a good article, it’s strange to read from a UK perspective, as the age of consent over here has always been 16 for heterosexual sex, and more recently for homosexual sex- so some of the examples in the article are not underage from a UK perspective.

The age of consent is a difficult issue: one can- and should- debate about when people are mature enough, but the simple fact is different people mature at different times, and that can’t be easily legislated for- a line has to be drawn in the sand somewhere. Set the bar too low, and you risk people who are not mature enough being exploited. So it’s more a case of: a general agreement on when someone is old to give consent, and from them on, make sure the law respects that consent. It’s a fudge to be sure, but it’s better than the alternatives.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:00:23am

re: #413 FormerDirtDart

Would it be unfair to argue that while the overall violent crime has fallen significantly, a specific subset of violent crime (mass shooting incidents) is on the rise? What BillO said there isn’t entirely inaccurate…..the USA is at historically low levels of violent crime; I’ve seen Lizards point that out here as well.

But it certainly does seem that the aforementioned specific subset is increasing in frequency.

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wrenchwench  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:05:03am

In case you don’t have enough to read, this is good, and links to other good articles.

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dangerman  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:06:34am

re: #416 William Lewis

I support a version that pays out annually - you send in your tax form and if you’re below $x,000 you get a check for the amount to take you up to X. Some will waste it but more won’t and it would be a huge boost to the economy. I think giving people the presumption that they will use it correctly will get folks doing so.

without falling in the rabbit hole, that is the general idea behind the earned income tax credit

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:06:43am

re: #416 William Lewis

I support a version that pays out annually - you send in your tax form and if you’re below $x,000 you get a check for the amount to take you up to X. Some will waste it but more won’t and it would be a huge boost to the economy. I think giving people the presumption that they will use it correctly will get folks doing so.

I agree that people should be given the presumption that they will spend it or invest it however they think is best. Yes, there will be some irresponsibility, but it doesn’t matter in the end - being irresponsible with relatively small amounts of money will still boost the overall economy. However, I think it must be the same amount given to everyone, regardless of income level. Giving it only to the poorest increases resentment and is functionally no different from welfare. Giving the same to everyone, even the rich, will make basically no difference in overall cost (because the number of poor is much greater than rich), make only a very tiny difference to the rich (because the amount is low compared to what they already have), make a huge difference to the poorest, and leave less room for complaint as everyone is treated the same.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:09:01am

re: #421 Renaissance_Man

I agree that people should be given the presumption that they will spend it or invest it however they think is best. Yes, there will be some irresponsibility, but it doesn’t matter in the end - being irresponsible with relatively small amounts of money will still boost the overall economy. However, I think it must be the same amount given to everyone, regardless of income level. Giving it only to the poorest increases resentment and is functionally no different from welfare. Giving the same to everyone, even the rich, will make basically no difference in overall cost (because the number of poor is much greater than rich), make only a very tiny difference to the rich (because the amount is low compared to what they already have), make a huge difference to the poorest, and leave less room for complaint as everyone is treated the same.

But it will fuck with the wingnut article of faith that people earn money based on their talent and “hard work” and virtue.

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William Lewis  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:09:18am

re: #420 dangerman

without falling in the rabbit hole, that is the general idea behind the earned income tax credit

Yep. Baby steps in the right direction.

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KGxvi  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:09:34am

re: #416 William Lewis

I support a version that pays out annually - you send in your tax form and if you’re below $x,000 you get a check for the amount to take you up to X. Some will waste it but more won’t and it would be a huge boost to the economy. I think giving people the presumption that they will use it correctly will get folks doing so.

My thinking on it, very early still, is leaning towards something like: $2500 per month, non-taxable, for everyone over the age of 18. I’m not making moral judgments about how people choose to spend the money (quite frankly, even if they “waste” the money, it’s going to help the economy). I am also approaching this from more of a libertarian point of view - having that BGI would give workers a bit more leverage, it would give more people a chance to do what they really wanted to do rather than working a job they hate for too low of wages. The other thing that got me thinking about it is the fact that more categories of jobs are going to be disappearing due to automation - just as we’ve seen factory workers replaced by robots, and bank tellers replaced by ATMS (Chase even has ATMs inside the branch now), we’re going to see truck and taxi drivers replaced by self driving cars (and probably longshoremen replaced by robots) - we are going to have to rethink how our economy works.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:10:20am

re: #409 The Vicious Babushka

Black journalist PWNS Richard Spencer. Watch this video, it is a thing of beauty, much better than the sucker punch.

[Embedded content]

In the unlikely hood I ever meet Gary, I’m buying him a pint because as they say in his home of Britain, that was bloody brilliant.

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Belafon  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:12:57am

re: #382 FormerDirtDart

Remember the thing from earlier where Dems were getting messages from the GOP?

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Belafon  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:15:04am

re: #394 Weaselone

The other huge advantage is that the Tea Party actually had a legitimate workable plan on how to take over the party.
Step 1. Be a member of the party or at least part of that party’s base
Step 2. Vote in every election, especially the party primaries
Step 3. Vote for the candidates most aligned with you in the primaries
Step 4. If your candidates lose the primary, vote for the party candidates in the general
Step 5. Continuously demand ideological fealty from your politicians
Step 6. Vote for an even more ideologically aligned candidate in the primaries next time.
Step 7. Lather, rinse and repeat

The Greens/Left plan
1. Don’t bother to vote
2. Pick a favored candidate, but don’t vote for them in the primary either because you can’t be bothered or you’re not actually a party member and can’t
3. Whine if your favored candidate loses
4. Don’t bother to vote in the general or vote third party vanity candidate
5. If Democrat wins whine about his/her impurity. If Democrat loses, insist your candidate would have won
6. Pick another real, true progressive to pin all your hopes to
7. Lather rinse and repeat.

The reason the left is irritating is specifically because they are not behaving like the Tea Party. They aren’t making themselves an indispensable and dependable part of the Party base. If they were active parts of the coalition and voting for all Democrats they’d have a bigger, more prominent seat as the table.

Exactly. And how to get them to notice it is beyond me.

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:17:03am

re: #409 The Vicious Babushka

Black journalist PWNS Richard Spencer. Watch this video, it is a thing of beauty, much better than the sucker punch.

[Embedded content]

Spencer is such an effete piece of crap. His affected speech, his mannerisms, even his dandy wardrobe. Why do all these supposedly tough guy Nazis look up to him?

Similar to the Proud Boys - a bunch of my anti-fascist friends were tearing that NBC Proud Boy video to shreds on Facebook yesterday. Most of them look like they couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:17:11am

re: #427 Belafon

Exactly. And how to get them to notice it is beyond me.

It feels impossible because they think anyone who disagrees with them on strategy is a “neo-lib”. Not to mention they aren’t the most empathetic people in the world.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:17:53am

re: #428 makeitstop

Spencer is such an effete piece of crap. His affected speech, his mannerisms, even his dandy wardrobe. Why do all these supposedly tough guy Nazis look up to him?

Similar to the Proud Boys - a bunch of my anti-fascist friends were tearing that NBC Proud Boy video to shreds on Facebook yesterday. Most of them look like they couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

Because Nazis aren’t tough themselves. Their whole identity is in being white.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:17:55am

re: #392 makeitstop

More of Preznit Stupid sticking his nose in where it ought not to be.

@TAPSTRIMEDIA
Trump Told CIA Director Pompeo to Meet With DNC Hack Conspiracy Theorist (William Binney)

Click the button for the rest of the thread

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:19:26am

Ric Flair claims to have slept with 10,000 women, and many other cringe worthy facts.

Sucks to get old
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Ace-o-aces  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:19:35am
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451_Montag  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:21:48am

re: #433 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

I’m actually in agreement with one of the Trump Klan for once.

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wrenchwench  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:21:50am

And nothing ruins a trip to the bakery like crossing paths with your physician on the way, who, during your most recent appointment, suggested cutting down on the simple carbs.

I shouldn’t complain. ‘Cold weather’ here means low 60s.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:22:09am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:22:16am

re: #428 makeitstop

Spencer is such an effete piece of crap. His affected speech, his mannerisms, even his dandy wardrobe. Why do all these supposedly tough guy Nazis look up to him?

Similar to the Proud Boys - a bunch of my anti-fascist friends were tearing that NBC Proud Boy video to shreds on Facebook yesterday. Most of them look like they couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

Ramirez Spencer was an effete snob.”

Clancy Brown….predicting the future in an 80’s B-Movie.

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KGxvi  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:24:07am

re: #432 Shropshire Slasher

Ric Flair claims to have slept with 10,000 women, and many other cringe worthy facts.

[Embedded content]

Considering the time he spent on the road, that number wouldn’t be surprising. He (and a lot of wrestlers from back in the day) had a reputation for living the gimmick.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:25:05am

re: #433 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

If he wants to help them shoot themselves in the feet, go for it.

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TedStriker  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:27:08am

re: #432 Shropshire Slasher

Ric Flair claims to have slept with 10,000 women, and many other cringe worthy facts.

[Embedded content]

Say what you will about Hulk Hogan, but Hulk gave Flair his props for his skill in the ring.

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Weaselone  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:30:29am

re: #421 Renaissance_Man

1. I would suggest giving it out monthly as opposed to annually to prevent someone from blowing it/losing it all up front and having nothing to live on.
2. Everyone gets the same amount, but it would be treated as just another source of income subject to all witholdings and taxes.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:44:32am

re: #433 Ace-o-aces

Or next week even.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:25:49pm

re: #302 JordanRules

What a corrupt wanker!

[Embedded content]

Just like his Big Daddy Donnie Two Scoops


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Voice of America Reporter Outed as Alt-Right However, using information Fatzick himself posted on Reddit — including his age, girlfriend’s name, former employers, friends, location, educational background, and sports affiliations — this reporter was able to tie the vile posts of UncleSam4200 to the Voice of ...
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Gary Clark Jr - Come Together (Official Music Video) [From the Justice League Movie Soundtrack] Official Video for "Come Together" by Gary Clark Jr. featured in the Justice League Movie trailer. In theaters November 17th 2017.Directed by Kris Merc Get the song now at garyclarkjr.com Check out the Justice League soundtrack here: lnk.to Follow ...
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Kimbra - Top of the World (Official Music Video)New from Kimbra The new single Top of the World is available now on Apple Music, Spotify, Google Play, and more. Get the single here - kmbra.me The new studio album Primal Heart out wwide January 19th, 2018Preorder now - ...
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The Barr Brothers - Song That I Heard (Live on KEXP) kexp.org presents The Barr Brothers performing "Song That I Heard" live at Breakglass Studios during POP Montreal 2017. Recorded September 16, 2017. Audio Engineer: James BenjaminCameras: Jim Beckmann, Ian Cameron & Scott HolpainenEditor: Jim Beckmann kexp.orgpopmontreal.combreakglass.ca With support from ...
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Left Cries Foul, but Electoral College Prevents Tyranny of the Majority I'm speechless...this is what we have to fight against: Image: constitution-1486010_960_720.jpg Author: Paul Jenkins(Paul Jenkins is editor of the anchoragedailyplanet.com, a division of Porcaro Communications) The political left and its mouthpiece, The New York Times, are still fuming over ...
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Tune-Yards - Look at Your Hands (Official Video) 'Look at Your Hands' by Tune-Yards. New album 'I can feel you creep into my private life' is released January 19th 2018: smarturl.it Video by Michael SpeedFootage by Marisa Gesualdi & Jennifer SommerAdditional photos by Nate Brenner, Ginger Fierstein ...
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