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ericblair  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:40:24am
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Ace-o-aces  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:41:57am

WAT MEDIA BIAS?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:48:18am

re: #2 Ace-o-aces

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WAT MEDIA BIAS?

The media get paid best if they can present the illusion of two equal sides.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:50:07am

Spartanburg SC:

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S'latch  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:50:52am

Go Mueller! Probe deeper and faster, please! F’ Trump before he f’s us.

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Kragar  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:54:11am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:54:52am

re: #5 S’latch

Go Mueller! Probe deeper and faster, please! F’ Trump before he f’s us.

We all want to see DT get it hard and fast, but I am sure that Mueller is going at the pace he has determined necessary to be most effective.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:55:12am

I voted.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:55:28am

re: #8 HappyWarrior

I voted.

In the right place?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:58:48am

re: #9 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In the right place?

Yes. GOP can’t trick me.

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Kragar  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:59:04am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:59:11am

Another note but I talked to the people at the precinct. Even with the drizzly weather. Turn out is high.

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Jay C  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:59:19am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Yes. GOP can’t trick me.

On the right day, too?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:59:42am

re: #11 Kragar

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Oh so they admit they’re the tools of the rich. Good to know, guys.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 10:59:59am

re: #13 Jay C

On the right day, too?

Yep. Unlike Dumbo Jr, I know how to vote.

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dangerman  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:01:14am

re: #8 HappyWarrior

I voted.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:01:31am

re: #15 HappyWarrior

Yep. Unlike Dumbo Jr, I know how to vote.

Dotard Jr may actually be dumber than Papa Dotard. Frightening thought.

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:01:59am

re: #11 Kragar

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I wonder how empty a threat this is. After all, rich donors watch FOX too. I wonder what percentage of them belong to the cult, and will do whatever is required to indulge their hate. We know that regardless of what Republicans do to the average Republican voter, they will still reliably show up and vote Republican, because they are indoctrinated with hate daily. On some level, this must also be true of the rich donor class as well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:08:03am

oh lookie…a Russian troll farm bot just attempted to follow me. It got reported and met my block button instead.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:10:25am

Nice show of solidarity.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:10:43am

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh lookie…a Russian troll farm bot just attempted to follow me. It got reported and met my block button instead.

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You didn’t think all those numbers in hisher avi were legit?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:14:55am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:15:22am
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:18:01am

re: #21 Sir John Barron

You didn’t think all those numbers in hisher avi were legit?

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I have communicated with actual people who have a bunch of random numbers in their Twitter ID. It’s because they attempted to register with a screen name of some popular character or celebrity that’s already being used and Twitter assigned a bunch of random numbers so their ID would be unique.

But yeah I am suspicious of Twitter IDs full of random numbers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:20:27am
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:21:06am
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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:22:13am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:22:46am

here it comes…

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RiverBoy  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:22:48am

re: #2 Ace-o-aces

Although I do agree that our media has to keep the both sides narrative going to keep the status quo rolling, I do think the fact that Democrats are polling so bad is a huge story and worthy of a headline like that. Republicans polling so low is nothing new. It has been quite obvious to anyone that pays attention that the Republican party has been a corrupted party for many years. The GOP used the election of a half black man as our President to rile up their base with hate and get them out to vote in droves. Now the Democrats have been given a gift of the GOP electing the most despised man to ever sit in the Oval Office and still the Democrats are unable to get their message out. They can not rally their base behind any meaningful policies and instead are strictly relying on the fact their base absolutely hates the President. That may have worked for the GOP base that won’t work for the DNC base forever. Eventually they are going to need to get behind something that gets the people of this country excited and give them a sense that the party is truly working for the people. Instead what I see is a big part of the Democratic party that would prefer to keep on relying on big money donors to fund their campaigns. Again that is a great strategy for the GOP because their base does not care as long as their representatives hate the same things they hate. It is a horrible strategy for the DNC because their base actually does care about things like the appearance of corruption. The DNC needs to change their ways when it comes to money in politics or this country will continue to be a rightwing nation.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:26:14am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:26:18am
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:27:16am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:28:16am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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God I’m so sick of that guy.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:29:00am

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

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stpaulbear  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:29:37am

I’m going to vote on my way home from work. I double-checked the location.

We’ve got instant run-off voting in the Twin Cities for our mayoral races, so we get to choose up to six candidates (out of 10 in St. Paul). There’s a box for first choice, then another box for second, and so on down the line.

I don’t think that my first choice is going to win, but my second choice is going to be in the top two so I don’t feel like I’m throwing away my vote. The other guy in the top two is someone I’ve never liked as a councilman, but he’s still a democrat (not one of the ten is identifying as republican). He’s way down on my list but at least I know he won’t wreck the city.

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BeachDem  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:29:46am

re: #16 dangerman

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Belafon  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:31:04am

re: #29 RiverBoy

So, I’m guessing you missed the announcement the other day from the party on their labor platform? Would have been easy since people were focused on fish feeding.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:33:08am

re: #29 RiverBoy

I agree. I don’t understand why Democrats aren’t able to rally their voters against the Bigot-in-Chief who is leading an incompetent party and has horrible policies which will only hurt the working class and benefit the wealthy. Plus, with the Russia interference and general sleaziness of the Trump administration, Democrats should be doing much better with the general public.

We have a few months to get our act together and Democratic leadership must do better so we can flip Congress.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:34:46am

I think a lot of Democrats’ problems is we do a lot of self-defeating. Instead of standing up for HRC, a lot of us were like “Yeah she sucks but what are we going to do about” rather than being proud to have her as our nominee. I saw that with Kerry in 2004 too.

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Skip Intro  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:35:29am

re: #37 Belafon

I missed it too. Where was it hidden?

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Skip Intro  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:36:27am

re: #38 Patricia Kayden

You need a leader to do that. Who is the leader of the Democrats?

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:37:35am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

That is so true. There are folks on the Left who have demonized Secretary Clinton and are STILL arguing that she is corrupt. It’s mind boggling to me. I didn’t vote for her in 2008 because I believed that President Obama was a better candidate but proudly supported her last year. Whatever faults she has, she would have been a dang sight better than the ignoramus currently occupying the White House.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:38:12am

Voting today was depressing.
Tom Massie, my totally horrible libertarian freedum caucus congresscritter, is up for reelection.
The Dem on the ballot is a total unknown who raised no money, spent no money, and never campaigned.
The independent candidate is actually a member of the American Solidarity Party, so she was a no go for me right at the start.

I voted for the unknown dem only because there was no “none of the above” option.

Political options in Kentucky really suck.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:38:20am

re: #41 Skip Intro

You need a leader to do that. Who is the leader of the Democrats?

This is a question we definitely need answered.

Political systems in other countries have designated party leaders. The U.S. does not and I really think that goes part of the way in explaining this mess we’re in right now.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:39:00am

re: #42 Patricia Kayden

That is so true. There are folks on the Left who have demonized Secretary Clinton and are STILL arguing that she is corrupt. It’s mind boggling to me. I didn’t vote for her in 2008 because I believed that President Obama was a better candidate but proudly supported her last year. Whatever faults she has, she would have been a dang sight better than the ignoramus currently occupying the White House.

One of my purer than thou friends from out of state today was talking about how poor our choices were in the gubernatorial race here today. Northam wasn’t my first choice but he’s way better than Gillespie.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:40:31am

re: #44 Eclectic Cyborg

This is a question we definitely need answered.

Political systems in other countries have designated party leaders. The U.S. does not and I really think that goes part of the way in explaining this mess we’re in right now.

Yeah parliamentary countries have shadow governments. It might be nice to have someone to correspond to Pruitt in the EPA.

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ericblair  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:40:42am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

I think a lot of Democrats’ problems is we do a lot of self-defeating. Instead of standing up for HRC, a lot of us were like “Yeah she sucks but what are we going to do about” rather than being proud to have her as our nominee. I saw that with Kerry in 2004 too.

Oh yes, that. Plus if the goopers come over now, that means that they were obviously wrong and we were obviously right. Over time, they can convince themselves that they never supported the Idiot in the first place. Funny how there weren’t a lot of people who had voted for Nixon by the time 1975 rolled around.

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Belafon  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:40:55am

re: #40 Skip Intro

washingtonpost.com

Here’s some of the things proposed to make work better:

•A “federal law that provides public workers with the same rights and freedom to engage in collective bargaining as their private sector counterparts,” designed to prevent the piecemeal right-to-work efforts that have taken off in Republican-run states since 2011.
•A ban on state “right-to-work” laws altogether, as “they have been found to reduce union membership by up to 10 percent and have resulted in lower wages and decreased access to employer-provided health care and pensions.”
•Making it easier to strike with a “ban [on] the permanent replacement of striking workers.”
•Limiting employers’ ability to campaign against union drives. “When companies taint the election process by using captive audience meetings, the NLRB will set the corrupted election results aside and require the employer to bargain with the worker representative,” Democrats write in the Better Deal white paper.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:42:37am
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Ace-o-aces  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:43:27am

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:43:38am

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Those rights are literally in the Bill of Rights, dumbass.

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jaunte  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:44:09am

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just once I’d like to see Joe Walsh freely assemble an original thought.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:44:14am

re: #26 FormerDirtDart

CNN poll: Favorable views of the Democratic Party have dropped to their lowest mark in more than a quarter century
— CNN Politics

Dems in disarray, etc.

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jimmyvluv4u  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:45:06am

Wow did the Air Force drop the ball on this… I wonder how many other psycopaths they’ve just let wander off back into society.

Texas Gunman Once Escaped From Mental Health Facility

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:45:16am

If Rights come from God, why did it take so long to come up with these rights? Why have in fact governments who use God been more tyrannical then those who rule by the laws of man?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:45:19am
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calochortus  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:45:34am

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Walsh have any evidence for that?

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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:45:53am

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

The independent candidate is actually a member of the American Solidarity Party, so she was a no go for me right at the start.

What the heck party is that? I probably don’t want to know, do I?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:46:09am

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jimmyvluv4u  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:46:10am

re: #54 jimmyvluv4u

…the person who reported Mr. Kelley missing from the hospital advised them that he “suffered from mental disorders,” and that he “was attempting to carry out death threats” against “his military chain of command.” The man “was a danger to himself and others as he had already been caught sneaking firearms onto Holloman Air Force Base,”…

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:46:15am

re: #38 Patricia Kayden

I agree. I don’t understand why Democrats aren’t able to rally their voters against the Bigot-in-Chief who is leading an incompetent party and has horrible policies which will only hurt the working class and benefit the wealthy. Plus, with the Russia interference and general sleaziness of the Trump administration, Democrats should be doing much better with the general public.

We have a few months to get our act together and Democratic leadership must do better so we can flip Congress.

They are unable to because they have no media mouthpiece. All major media outlets are either openly state-run media, or report faithfully whatever state-run media tells them to.

The American public does whatever their mass media narrative tells them to. American culture trains its public to do so. However, the three major arms of mass media in the US are all dominated by the far right, ensuring that no positive Democratic story comes out - only Republican news, positive or negative. FOX and far right cult media are now openly Pravda-esque in their fabrication of stories and narrative. CNN, the NYT, WaPo and similar major outlets report only on Republican stories until they are told by Breitbart to report a negative Dem story. And now Facebook and Twitter are the third arm, but are dominated by far right bots.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:46:39am

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Of course. They don’t give a fuck.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:47:14am

re: #58 Sir John Barron

What the heck party is that? I probably don’t want to know, do I?

Christian Democratic party…”sanctity of life” is their #1 platform.
solidarity-party.org

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:47:19am

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:47:27am

re: #58 Sir John Barron

What the heck party is that? I probably don’t want to know, do I?

Probably some party who thinks the GOP too liberal.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:48:21am

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I stopped following “The Tweet of God” when it Tweeted out “The Book of Bieber”

False and puny god.

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freetoken  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:48:31am

re: #61 Renaissance_Man

Rallies, may I interject, don’t do anything in a representative democracy like ours outside of election day.

We’re not in a parliamentary system. There is no “no confidence” vote by the Congress.

I propose that what we are seeing has everything to do with demographics, especially the variable of age.

Put simply, old people vote more.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:48:54am

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

Christian Democratic party…”sanctity of life” is their #1 platform.
solidarity-party.org

All life, or just blastocysts, embryos, and fetuses, because we already have a party for those.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:49:37am

re: #66 The Vicious Babushka

I stopped following “The Tweet of God” when it Tweeted out “The Book of Bieber”

False and puny god.

Bieber is just beyond your understanding. The Tweet of God works in mysterious ways.
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:50:43am

re: #41 Skip Intro

Tom Perez of the DNC? Or Pelosi and Schumer. They should get together and work things out as to how they’re going to rally the voters for next November. Pelosi has already said that Democrats shouldn’t be focused on impeaching Trump which I find bewildering. Democrats in Congress just don’t seem to have any passion when it comes to resisting Trump.

If the positions were flipped and Russia had colluded to get a President Hillary Clinton in the White House, Republicans would be working overtime to get her out — even if they were in the minority in Congress (like they were from January 2009 through January 2011).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:51:16am

re: #68 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

All life, or just blastocysts, embryos, and fetuses, because we already have a party for those.

“from conception to natural death”

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freetoken  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:51:34am

Democracy has a very, very long list of critics who have picked apart all the failings of government systems that pretend to be any variant of a democracy.

In the end, there is nothing to stop a group of people for voting for harmful, even self-harmful, governments.

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dangerman  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:51:44am

re: #61 Renaissance_Man

They are unable to because they have no media mouthpiece. All major media outlets are either openly state-run media, or report faithfully whatever state-run media tells them to.

The American public does whatever their mass media narrative tells them to. American culture trains its public to do so. However, the three major arms of mass media in the US are all dominated by the far right, ensuring that no positive Democratic story comes out - only Republican news, positive or negative. FOX and far right cult media are now openly Pravda-esque in their fabrication of stories and narrative. CNN, the NYT, WaPo and similar major outlets report only on Republican stories until they are told by Breitbart to report a negative Dem story. And now Facebook and Twitter are the third arm, but are dominated by far right bots.

further, it would require agreeing on 1) who those standard bearers are and 2) what their message is, or worse, trusting them to craft themes and messages as circumstances dictate

dems cant even agree on who is a dem and what a dem should stand for - granted a problem all over, i think worse here

bernie, not a dem ran as a dem
hillary, experienced and accomplished lifelong dem, not a good enough dem
‘corporatist’ dems are ng
‘establishment’ dems are ng
etc
etc

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RiverBoy  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:51:47am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

I don’t call it self defeating at all, I call it holding the party accountable. Of course when it comes to the 2 parties the DNC is far and away the best option but that is because the GOP is absolute garbage. So yay, the DNC is better than garbage but that’s not something to brag about. The DNC is the only chance we have to getting this country back on track, so yeah there is going to be a lot of scrutiny thrown their way. We need them to do better plain and simple. No more excuses.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:53:03am

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

“from conception to natural death”

Thanks. There was no way I was going to click that link at work.
At least they’re consistent.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:53:41am

Sigh.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:54:40am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

I think a lot of Democrats’ problems is we do a lot of self-defeating. Instead of standing up for HRC, a lot of us were like “Yeah she sucks but what are we going to do about” rather than being proud to have her as our nominee. I saw that with Kerry in 2004 too.

Hell, we saw it with President Obama after his first 12 months in office.

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dangerman  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:55:19am

re: #76 JordanRules

Sigh.

Universal healthcare; tax the rich; increase the minimum wage; fund clean energy; sensible gun laws; stop voter suppression. How’s that?

which, for the most part, distills down to: “liberty and justice for all

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:55:34am

(Actually, I haven’t voted yet. When my wife gets home we’ll go and vote together.)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:56:00am

re: #74 RiverBoy

I don’t call it self defeating at all, I call it holding the party accountable. Of course when it comes to the 2 parties the DNC is far and away the best option but that is because the GOP is absolute garbage. So yay, the DNC is better than garbage but that’s not something to brag about. The DNC is the only chance we have to getting this country back on track, so yeah there is going to be a lot of scrutiny thrown their way. We need them to do better plain and simple. No more excuses.

I’m just saying. There seems to be a lot of self-defeatism that goes in after a difficult loss.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:59:04am

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

Where the hell does the Bible say that we have a right to carry firearms. Heavens help me!! These people are so brainwashed and ridiculous.

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Weaselone  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:59:20am

re: #29 RiverBoy

Democrats are in favor of appointing Supreme Court Justices who would overturn Citizens United. Until then, it’s impossible to get big money out of politics even if you attempt to disarm unilaterally.

Also, Democrats have a fantastic array of things people should be excited about like..
1. Increasing the minimum wage.
2. Investing in renewable energy and reducing our carbon footprint
3. Funding education and science research
4. Appointing effective and knowledgeable leaders to head up our government agencies
5. Building upon Obamacare to increase access to health care
6. Passing regulations to control the shadow banking industry (thanks Hillary)
7. Raise taxes on the wealthy to reduce the deficit

These positions aren’t hard to find, you just have to look at them because the media hates to cover them. There was a smart, hard working politician who had a massive list of policy positions and related papers up on her website when she ran for office. I can’t remember her name, but I think she was involved in some sort of email scandal.

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ObserverArt  Nov 7, 2017 • 11:59:49am

The Hill and CNN reports about the DNC and Democrats being in a bad place seems to fit in nicely with Brazile’s book. So, I am thinking this is just more balance fairy crap and a good time to do it because of the book. What are they balancing? The fact the Republican’s are struggling with Trump and America overall…so let’s tell everyone the Dems struggle too. So, your only hope is to keep watching and reading!

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Kragar  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:00:27pm

re: #81 Patricia Kayden

Jesus once said something about swords, therefore you have a right to military grade assault weapons.

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Kragar  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:02:09pm
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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:03:01pm

re: #82 Weaselone

They also do try to bypass the media that won’t cover them. DNC does a Facebook live streaming event every week. They tweet all the time. They release policy papers and rebuttals to GOP stuff every time it’s appropriate.

Y’all are the ones y’all have been waiting on. Rally yourself and your family and friends. I’m rallied and active locally.

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ObserverArt  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:03:53pm

re: #81 Patricia Kayden

Where the hell does the Bible say that we have a right to carry firearms. Heavens help me!! These people are so brainwashed and ridiculous.

It follows the conservative thinking The Constitution was given to us by God. Therefore, everything in the document is blessed by God. So God is all in on guns don’t you know.

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KGxvi  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:06:02pm

re: #81 Patricia Kayden

Where the hell does the Bible say that we have a right to carry firearms. Heavens help me!! These people are so brainwashed and ridiculous.

They’re not getting it from the bible, they’re getting it from enlightenment philosophy that they’ve never read more than excerpts of the greatest hits…

We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal and that they are endowed by their creator certain unalienable rights, among them life,
liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Most of them have never taken the time to actual read in depth anything by the likes of Smith, Paine, Hobbs, Locke, or even Jefferson.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:06:30pm
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RiverBoy  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:09:03pm

re: #83 ObserverArt

What other conclusion can you come to when you look at the current state of politics in this country? The Dems are struggling. The GOP controls a majority in all levels of Gov’t. If that isn’t struggling what is?

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:09:18pm

re: #82 Weaselone

It wasn’t clear in my post but I’m totally agreeing with you and adding on.

The ‘yall’ I’m referring to is people waiting for their Democratic daddy.

Just wanted to clarify. Cheers!

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:10:02pm

re: #89 JordanRules

Good to hear!! Wasn’t expecting that since Catholics are anti-contraception per their dogma. They must have been hearing from loads of unhappy folk to make such a dramatic turnabout.

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Weaselone  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:11:36pm

re: #85 Kragar

I tend to think more along the above, although fortunately in my local election the chance of any Republicans being elected is non existent. Charter school hacks, yes. Republican’s, no.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:12:21pm

re: #90 RiverBoy

That this country has deep race and gender problems. That gerrymandering and suppression work. That Fox propaganda works.

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:12:27pm

Seen on Facebook…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:12:54pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

BREAKING: Houston TV station: Texas church shooter was in mental health center in New Mexico and briefly escaped in 2012.

No amount of laws will prevent a crayzee person from obtaining firearms!!!

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ObserverArt  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:14:52pm

re: #90 RiverBoy

What other conclusion can you come to when you look at the current state of politics in this country? The Dems are struggling. The GOP controls a majority in all levels of Gov’t. If that isn’t struggling what is?

I know it is struggling. That wasn’t my point. It is a great time to do some kicking of Democrats because the media has a hot story with the Brazile book. So it gives them cover to do the story. The media is out to keep the story hot so they build on it.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:15:02pm

re: #96 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But that’s not true. Unless the “crazy person” was using a fake ID, if he/she was institutionalized, it would show up in a background check.

I know you’re being sarcastic but I’m responding to the underlying argument.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:15:33pm

something to go along with the “democrats are in disarray” discussion:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:16:15pm

re: #98 Patricia Kayden

But that’s not true. Unless the “crazy person” was using a fake ID, if he/she was institutionalized, it would show up in a background check.

I know you’re being sarcastic but I’m responding to the underlying argument.

laws only work as well as they are enforced.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:17:03pm

re: #81 Patricia Kayden

Where the hell does the Bible say that we have a right to carry firearms. Heavens help me!! These people are so brainwashed and ridiculous.

I do believe that we have certain natural rights, in that we are born with them. They are inalienable, but not unlimited. But it is up to people, their society and its political institutions to safeguard and enforce these rights and establish the limits that must be placed on them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:18:36pm

re: #82 Weaselone

These positions aren’t hard to find, you just have to look at them because the media hates to cover them. There was a smart, hard working politician who had a massive list of policy positions and related papers up on her website when she ran for office. I can’t remember her name, but I think she was involved in some sort of email scandal.

And when she was addressing a group of people on better job opportunities for the handicapped, the press was covering an empty podium for an hour awaiting the appearance of her opponent to make a statement on the history of his charitable donations…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:18:38pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:20:34pm

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Agreed. I was specifically asking where in the Bible anyone would read a right to weapons up to and including guns. It’s scary how Rightwingers use the Bible and religiosity to cloak their warmongering mindset.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:21:03pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:21:04pm
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prairiefire  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:23:17pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

What a good looking guy.

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ObserverArt  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:24:09pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

something to go along with the “democrats are in disarray” discussion:

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Columbus local government is extremely Democratic. School board, judges, council, mayor.

I heard a guy on NBC Channel 4’s political show say “The Republican Party in this city is in a bad state.” So, there is one area where Democrats rule, Columbus. At one time this city was dominated by Republicans. So it can be done. Mayor Mike Coleman did a lot of it by being sensible and liked. He dominated the voting for his many terms. He helped build the local Dem party back up.

Was going to mention, there were new toys at my polling site when I voted. They had these little tablet like computers on small stands with card swipers on them. They asked for my driver’s license and then swiped it. All my voting info popped up, I signed my name on the table and they gave me a small print out I had to give the voting assistants who used the info to load the proper ballot in the computerized voting machine, etc.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:25:13pm

Meet Tink, the dog who has to eat from a high chair.

Tink is a Labrador Retriever. She’s been sitting in a high chair to eat since she was nine weeks old. But it’s because of a condition she has called Megaesophagus. That means when she eats, the food doesn’t go down to her stomach. It just stays in her esophagus and she eventually regurgitates it. So the high chair helps her digest.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:25:13pm

More Democrats than ever including women running for state delegate here. But Dems are in disarray. Just ask Cilliza!

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fern01  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:26:00pm

re: #6 Kragar

US needs international oversight in relation to their election process.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:26:20pm

re: #76 JordanRules

Sigh.

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YOU DIDN’T SAY ‘SINGLE PAYER’!!! NEOLIBERAL SELLOUT!!!!

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fern01  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:29:22pm

re: #11 Kragar

They have their billionaire President, their bought and owned congress and most administration positions filled with billionaires out to enrich themselves - and they still can’t design or pass any legislation. Shows how much these “job creators” depend on the middle and lower pay grades to actually “get stuff done”

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dangerman  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:29:50pm

re: #82 Weaselone

Democrats are in favor of appointing Supreme Court Justices who would overturn Citizens United. Until then, it’s impossible to get big money out of politics even if you attempt to disarm unilaterally.

Also, Democrats have a fantastic array of things people should be excited about like..
1. Increasing the minimum wage.
2. Investing in renewable energy and reducing our carbon footprint
3. Funding education and science research
4. Appointing effective and knowledgeable leaders to head up our government agencies
5. Building upon Obamacare to increase access to health care
6. Passing regulations to control the shadow banking industry (thanks Hillary)
7. Raise taxes on the wealthy to reduce the deficit

These positions aren’t hard to find, you just have to look at them because the media hates to cover them. There was a smart, hard working politician who had a massive list of policy positions and related papers up on her website when she ran for office. I can’t remember her name, but I think she was involved in some sort of email scandal.

…and therefore not only didnt we get 1-7 above, we got……

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:31:12pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

That’s a great national trend too!

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RiverBoy  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:32:00pm

re: #94 JordanRules

All those things were true in 2008 too, were they not? I understand the DNC has many things going against it but they also have the majority of this country on its side as long as they give the people something to get behind. Obama won on a hope and change platform. He got the people behind him because he gave them reason to believe that he would change the direction of this country. That didn’t happen, for many reasons, so now you have a huge base of people who feel hopeless that their leaders will actually work in their interest. The DNC could gain a huge amount of people to their base by simply doing one thing, make it their platform that they will no longer accept money from large donors. Get rid of all the SuperPacs and start listening to people of this country. Until then they will continue to appear to do the bidding of their donors. Like I said before that will work for the GOP but the DNC base will not put up with even the hint of corruption of their representatives.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:32:56pm
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Kragar  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:33:10pm
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Jay C  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:33:53pm

re: #82 Weaselone

Democrats are in favor of appointing Supreme Court Justices who would overturn Citizens United. Until then, it’s impossible to get big money out of politics even if you attempt to disarm unilaterally.

I don’t think we even have to wait to get more reform-sympathetic Justices on the SC: IIRC, even in the Citizens United decision ( ?? CJ Roberts ?) indicated that the decision was based on the law as then applied: but that Congress could always change the law: as long as it conformed with the SCOTUS guidelines.
But of course, that would mean relying on Congress to enact serious campaign-financing reform: I won’t be holding my breath….

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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:38:43pm

re: #118 Kragar

Congress making itself unnecessary. Votes to grant legislative authority to the executive branch.

Trump: What dis?

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MsJ  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:41:14pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh lookie…a Russian troll farm bot just attempted to follow me. It got reported and met my block button instead.

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How do you report those? What is the type of report you filed? I was going to report something on twitter and couldn’t find anything appropriate in their sad list of radio button options.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:41:26pm

re: #117 JordanRules

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Badasses!

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dangerman  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:41:34pm

re: #104 Patricia Kayden

Agreed. I was specifically asking where in the Bible anyone would read a right to weapons up to and including guns. It’s scary how Rightwingers use the Bible and religiosity to cloak their warmongering mindset.

its really no different than any other wild assertion you’ve heard.
they say it - that makes it so.

proof, substantiation, analysis argument, are not necessary.

cannot be debunked. they say it. that makes it so.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:41:49pm

re: #118 Kragar

The so-called Party of Lincoln.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:41:53pm

re: #116 RiverBoy

That election did make their lives better and yet that wasn’t enough which goes right back to my point. I’ve read the articles about people really debating between keeping life saving healthcare or voting against Dems. That’s not because we aren’t helping them. We are.

We still have a platform that will make those people’s lives better along with all the people they don’t like.
Gerrymandering & voter suppression has been an issue and is continuing to bear more fruit.
Fox and other media propaganda is getting worse.

What Weaselone said about money in politics.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:42:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:42:24pm

re: #118 Kragar

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Means an even more crazy GOP house caucus.

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ericblair  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:43:07pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

There’s also ~20k more absentee ballots cast in the county this cycle than in 2013.

Mine’s in!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:43:56pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It was wet at my precinct but volunteers from both parties told me turnout was high. It being high in FC bodes well for Ralph, Justin, & Mark and the HoD.

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:44:42pm

re: #116 RiverBoy

The DNC could gain a huge amount of people to their base by simply doing one thing, make it their platform that they will no longer accept money from large donors.

How to commit electoral suicide, right there.

Use donor money to win back Congress, then re-write laws on campaign finance, Citizens United in particular.

Horse first, then cart. To try doing otherwise would effectively strangle the Democratic party.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:45:18pm

Whether the Democrats win or lose in Virginia, the media is going to spin the results as a Democratic loss. Book it.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:45:41pm

“People believe what they want to believe.” You’re writing from the premise that we all have to get better at sifting evidence, which is true, yet when you talk about people believing what they want to believe it gets us into that difficult area where so much of how people decide isn’t sifting through evidence, it’s emotional.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:46:50pm

re: #131 Dr. Matt

Agreed. Always.
It becomes internalized.

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BeachDem  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:47:15pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

More Democrats than ever including women running for state delegate here. But Dems are in disarray. Just ask Cilliza!

51 women are running for the Virginia House of Delegates.
43 are Democrats.
18 were trained by Emerge.

emerge.ngpvanhost.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:48:30pm

re: #134 BeachDem

51 women are running for the Virginia House of Delegates.
43 are Democrats.
18 were trained by Emerge.

emerge.ngpvanhost.com

Both our candidates in the primary for HoD were women. I’ve met both. Great ladies.

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gwangung  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:48:34pm

re: #130 makeitstop

How to commit electoral suicide, right there.

Use donor money to win back Congress, then re-write laws on campaign finance, Citizens United in particular.

Horse first, then cart. To try doing otherwise would effectively strangle the Democratic party.

I like to point out that candidates and institutions have evolved to fit into the environment they’re in. That environment massively favors candidates with access to lots of money.

Need to change the environment first….and holy crap, that’s hard….

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:49:53pm
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Dr. Matt  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:50:15pm

There’s nothing to vote for in my city, county, or state today. This is the first November I haven’t voted in….hell, I can’t even remember the last time I didn’t vote in a November.

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Weaselone  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:51:10pm

re: #116 RiverBoy
1. The number of people that Democrats added to their base by declaring they wouldn’t accept large donations is probably inconsequential. They’ll still be targeted as being dominated by big donors and special interests regardless of the extent of truth of those allegations; they just won’t have the money to push back against them.
2. Democrats can’t eliminate the SuperPacs on their own side. They don’t have that power. If a wealthy supporter wants to create a SuperPac, they create a SuperPac. That’s all there is to it. It’s like saying that Democrats should prevent their supporters from wearing white after labor day or eating meat on Sundays.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:51:57pm

re: #137 JordanRules

First they came for the conservatives, Then the Republicans, Then the Christians, Now. White people. This is not a battle of ideas it’s war.
— Chuck Woolery

Chuck is finally coming out as a fucking Nazi….and he’s proud of it.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:52:31pm

re: #140 Dr. Matt

Super proud. What a shitty person.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:53:18pm

re: #137 JordanRules

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What a nutzi. By the way Chuck, if you read the original poem, it was about right wingers such as yourself going after lefties. Fuck you very much for likening their very real political persecution to the fact you don’t like to share a country with non-white Christian conservative Republicans. You can go to Russia with Trump and stay there.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:53:32pm

re: #137 JordanRules

First they came for the conservatives, Then the Republicans, Then the Christians, Now. White people. This is not a battle of ideas it’s war.
— Chuck Woolery

Who is “they”? Crazy people with guns?

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BeachDem  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:53:49pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

Both our candidates in the primary for HoD were women. I’ve met both. Great ladies.

2017-2018 Emerge Candidates
(337 women as of November 2017, 235 women in 2017 and 103 women in 2018)

emerge.ngpvanhost.com

There are actually Democrats out here doing things besides throwing our hands in the air and lamenting our fate.

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petesh  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:54:24pm

re: #139 Weaselone

… It’s like saying that Democrats should prevent their supporters from wearing white after labor day…

Advise, not prevent. Shame, perhaps.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:55:21pm

re: #143 Sir John Barron

Who is “they”? Crazy people with guns?

White Christian Republican Conservatives are no longer in absolute control of government, society, and industry = WHITE GENOCIDE

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:55:41pm

re: #144 BeachDem

2017-2018 Emerge Candidates
(337 women as of November 2017, 235 women in 2017 and 103 women in 2018)

emerge.ngpvanhost.com

There are actually Democrats out here doing things besides throwing our hands in the air and lamenting our fate.

Certainly. Did you see my post earlier about how my former Gubernatorial candidate has been working with a lot of these ladies and guys seeking the HoD. Tom Perriello is what Sanders should have done after Clinton beat him.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:56:03pm
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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:56:27pm

re: #146 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

White Christian Republican Conservatives are no longer in absolute control of government, society, and industry = WHITE GENOCIDE

But, they kind of are. Does Chuck not know his party controls the WH, the Senate, the House? Most churches and major denominations? Guess that’s not enough.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:56:32pm

Sources? We don’t need no stinkin’ sources!!
Lubbock’s Dr. Demento, Donald May, shares some factual, true, confirmed info about the Texas church shooter:


Actually, it was easy to find an apparent source. Bat guano preacher Sandy Rios says the shooter was antifa and the Texas cops are lying about it. Her proof? The shooter wore black.
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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:57:03pm

re: #149 Sir John Barron

But, they kind of are. Does Chuck not know his party controls the WH, the Senate, the House? Most churches and major denominations? Guess that’s not enough.

Seriously. Whtie Conservative Republicans are some of the biggest goddamn snowflakes I’ve ever seen.

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BeachDem  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:57:31pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

What a nutzi. By the way Chuck, if you read the original poem, it was about right wingers such as yourself going after lefties. Fuck you very much for likening their very real political persecution to the fact you don’t like to share a country with non-white Christian conservative Republicans. You can go to Russia with Trump and stay there.

Hope his Russian is better than his English…and his punctuation…and his capitalization…

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:57:33pm

re: #149 Sir John Barron

Yeah but NFL bucks are kneeling sooooo…

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:57:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:57:57pm

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Sources? We don’t need no stinkin’ sources!!
Lubbock’s Dr. Demento, Donald May, shares some factual, true, confirmed info about the Texas church shooter:

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People like him really should STFU.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:58:22pm

re: #152 BeachDem

Hope his Russian is better than his English…and his punctuation…and his capitalization…

Everything’s coming up Woolery.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:58:40pm

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Sources? We don’t need no stinkin’ sources!!
Lubbock’s Dr. Demento, Donald May, shares some factual, true, confirmed info about the Texas church shooter:

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Yeah, it’s terrible we’ve become so distrustful with all the wingnuts crying “fake news” about everything they disagree with.

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MsJ  Nov 7, 2017 • 12:59:32pm

re: #44 Eclectic Cyborg

This is a question we definitely need answered.

Political systems in other countries have designated party leaders. The U.S. does not and I really think that goes part of the way in explaining this mess we’re in right now.

Let’s play a game…

We had a leader, Clinton, who was the #1 respected woman in the world at one point. She had a message…who heard it? Who heard the Dem message? How do we fix that?

The GOP (and in 2016 the foreign interests) did nothing but bash her from her time as first lady of Arkansas all the way through 2016 (and still!) Everything Clinton was turned into a GATE including going to the fucking bathroom during a debate. How do we fix that?

Trump’s empty lectern got more coverage than anything in the Dem platform during the election cycle. How do we fix that?

Today’s headlines are about how the Dem’s are at the lowest point…and what are we here discussing?

As soon as any “leader” is selected, they will receive the Clinton treatment. How do we fix that?

How do we create that leader? How do we prevent them from becoming the next Clinton? This is a lather-rinse-repeat from the right. Hannity will call them THE MOST LIBERAL EVAH! person (which he has literally done in referring to any democrat - always). How do we fix that?

If they can’t win on platform (which they can’t), they suppress votes, tell people to vote at incorrect places on incorrect days. How do we fix that?

Social media seems to be encouraging all this shit. How do we fix that?

Ok, this wasn’t a game. It’s republican politics and we are on the receiving end of it. How do we fix that?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:00:17pm

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Once again, Dr Doofus proves…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:00:26pm

Well the question I have is what do liberals/progressives really want from their candidates?

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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:00:38pm

re: #153 JordanRules

Yeah but NFL bucks are kneeling sooooo…

We had no idea the players killing each other on the gladiator field for our amusement were black!

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:00:44pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:01:00pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

People like him really should STFU.

He is one of Lubbock’s leading citizens and most vocal activists.
People who have never been to Lubbock might be tempted to think that I am weirdly fixated on the negative aspects of the place.
Those who have been there would probably think I am too easy on the place.

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ObserverArt  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:01:54pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

More Democrats than ever including women running for state delegate here. But Dems are in disarray. Just ask Cilliza!

Ohio has a newish Democratic Chairman for the state. He seems to be working hard to get more local races contested throughout the state. I think Dems will be doing much better in 2018. They may not win ‘em all, but at least they are attempting to give good runs.

I think I have read where the DNC under Perez is doing much better getting bucks out to local and state races too. I don’t have it handy, but I got a message in an email about the thousands of races they will contending.

Everyone knows the party needs help, I hope everyone realizes they are trying and it would help if the voters backed the efforts early.

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RiverBoy  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:02:21pm

re: #139 Weaselone

1. So you’re saying they have to take money because the other side might lie about them? If you can’t successfully combat outright lies then that person needs to find another career path because they are not made to cut it in politics.
2. There is a huge difference between a billionaire working on their own accord to make a SuperPac and what is going on right now. Even though there is supposed to be no coordination between Pacs and the candidate that is hardily what we see today. The day I see a billionaire create a SuperPac to elect a politician that doesn’t want that help then maybe you might have a point.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:03:03pm

re: #163 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

He is one of Lubbock’s leading citizens and most vocal activists.
People who have never been to Lubbock might be tempted to think that I am weirdly fixated on the negative aspects of the place.
Those who have been there would probably think I am too easy on the place.

Can’t say I’ve ever been to Lubbock. It really is pathetic he uses his influence to peddle Rios inspired bullshit.

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:03:04pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Well the question I have is what do liberals/progressives really want from their candidates?

Ponies. A lot of them do, at least.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:04:31pm

re: #167 makeitstop

Ponies. A lot of them do, at least.

I like horses too!

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:04:33pm

re: #167 makeitstop

Ponies. A lot of them do, at least.

And cookies.
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Weaselone  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:06:05pm

re: #165 RiverBoy

1. Countering a lie takes a lot of money, because to counter a lie, you essentially have to build a reputation and image that causes people to instantly discard the lie when it is heard. That takes either a crap load of time or a lot of exposure and money. Spreading a lie is cheap. A couple of TV spots and everyone’s crazy uncle is reposting it on the book of faces.
2. I want to see the evidence. I’ve seen a fair bit of evidence that this is the case on the Republican side, not so much on the Democrats.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:07:25pm

Picked up Pete Souza’s book today at the local B&N (The Woodlands, TX.). Got lots of stares from the geriatric, Fox News anger mob. Fuck em, great book.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:07:44pm

As I have shared before, I live in the south Texas coastal bend. I just voted. Here’s what I overheard while I was there:

I was the only person voting. When I walked into the polling place (a high school), one of the poll workers was on the phone. He said, “We had a lull but someone just walked in so I’m going to go to a different area so she can’t hear.” The phone call ended shortly after and the man returned to the table with the other 2 poll workers. They started talking, apparently oblivious to me. The two women asked, “What did you tell her?” The man said, “I told her that we simply asked the gentleman for a valid ID, and when he presented one we told him that MAY not be valid. I told her that he started ranting about us interfering with his right to vote.” One of the women asked, “Did you tell her what he said about Russia?” The man said, “I told her that we in no way kept him from voting and at best held him up about 30 seconds. He’s already gone to the courthouse to complain, that’s why we got a call from Austin.”

They continued discussing the encounter and the phone call, and one of the women said, “I’m just hoping he doesn’t come back with a gun.”

I voted and got the hell outta there.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:09:51pm

re: #171 Ace Rothstein

Picked up Pete Souza’s book today at the local B&N (The Woodlands, TX.). Got lots of stares from the geriatric, Fox News anger mob. Fuck em, great book.

Over a photo book? JFC. Our local GOPers are actually fairly friendly though. Made it pretty clear to the older gentleman passing out Republican sample ballots I was voting straight Dem but he was nice about it and seemed happy that turnout was high even though he has to know turnout isn’t good for the GOP. I encountered a volunteer for the GOP when I was going door to door on Saturday too. She was friendly enough. Felt kind of bad because she looked quite young but we were good natured to each other and I wished her good luck.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:09:55pm

re: #172 Flying Squirrel Girl

Hilarious. The same thing happened to me last year when I voted in the general election. My Texas dl MAY have not been valid, and I had to wait for this jackass to talk to someone in Austin.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:11:14pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

I probably should have told them “Hey, he shot for President Reagan, too.”

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:11:29pm

re: #116 RiverBoy

All those things were true in 2008 too, were they not? I understand the DNC has many things going against it but they also have the majority of this country on its side as long as they give the people something to get behind. Obama won on a hope and change platform. He got the people behind him because he gave them reason to believe that he would change the direction of this country. That didn’t happen, for many reasons, so now you have a huge base of people who feel hopeless that their leaders will actually work in their interest. The DNC could gain a huge amount of people to their base by simply doing one thing, make it their platform that they will no longer accept money from large donors. Get rid of all the SuperPacs and start listening to people of this country. Until then they will continue to appear to do the bidding of their donors. Like I said before that will work for the GOP but the DNC base will not put up with even the hint of corruption of their representatives.

You could not be more wrong here, and I say this as someone who thinks that Citizens United will end up being the single worst decision in the history of the US Supreme Court, and the one that will bring about the downfall of the Republic.

Yes, unfettered big money in politics is appalling, and directly responsible for huge Republican majorities, along with gerrymandering and voter suppression. But the fact of the matter is that to win elections in 21st century America, you must have access to media coverage. Positive media coverage is ideal, but not strictly necessary. Without a mouthpiece to make yourself known, and any message you may have heard, you cannot win an election. This is true at all levels. At the lowest levels you can make yourself known through personal interaction, but not at any level higher than that.

How, then, are Democrats to get media access and coverage? Republicans get it for free, because they control all outlets. Democrats need money - money to buy access, money to construct their own outlets and mouthpieces. Refusing to accept large money donations won’t help, and will only hurt them. You think their voters will get upset at the hint of corruption? The voters that get upset at that get upset because they follow the media narrative telling them to. The voters that genuinely care about that are limited - they are largely white, privileged, and comfortable, and demand a certain ideological purity because their lives are comfortable enough not to want anything else. The voters that say they care about that are white middle class voters who watch CNN, some FOX, and who are barraged constantly with a narrative that tells them how rudderless and corrupt Democrats are.

So how did Obama win? He presented the mass media with something they couldn’t resist, much like Trump did. Except his was a more positive message - an educated black man, the first major party nominee for President. Hillary could have been presented similarly, but the US mass media has hated her for 30 years, and they weren’t about to change that narrative now. And he did change the direction of this country, despite your assertion otherwise - again, perhaps not as much as he could have, but every black child now looks at the White House differently. Flawed as it is, his signature achievement has not been undone, even with all the powers that be in the country arrayed against it, including an evil dictator with no other goal in his mind than destroying his legacy.

Your narrative is strikingly similar to all the puff pieces we’ve seen since the election praising the filthy monsters that voted Trump - ‘they’re hopeless, they feel disenfranchised, they feel like nobody is listening to them’. ‘If only the Democrats would really listen to them, they’d vote for them’. Utter, vomitous rubbish. The Democratic base is not, and will not be, these precious snowflakes who are so easily convinced to divest themselves of empathy and humanity. The Democratic base must be the very people who the mass media pays no attention to - educated people, young people, and minorities. This is a majority of the country. The entirety of the powerful US mass media chooses to marginalise and ignore them in favour of a dwindling group of mediocre white people, driving their narrative to the top of the fold again and again and again. So yes, in some ways you are correct - the Democratic base probably does feel somewhat hopeless. But they feel this way not because of the actions of Democrats. They feel this way because their stories are never told in the media, because their issues are ignored. They feel this way because their media tells them every day how terrible the people they want to elect are, and glorifies a group of stupid white people for no good reason at all. Insisting that Democrats not accept big money donations does nothing to correct that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:12:07pm

re: #175 Ace Rothstein

I probably should have told them “Hey, he shot for President Reagan, too.”

Not like they care.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:16:28pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

Over a photo book? JFC. Our local GOPers are actually fairly friendly though. Made it pretty clear to the older gentleman passing out Republican sample ballots I was voting straight Dem but he was nice about it and seemed happy that turnout was high even though he has to know turnout isn’t good for the GOP. I encountered a volunteer for the GOP when I was going door to door on Saturday too. She was friendly enough. Felt kind of bad because she looked quite young but we were good natured to each other and I wished her good luck.

Forgot there was a NJ election, and NYC. Amazing DeBlasio is cruising to re-election given all the upchuck over the police early in his term. Guess wingnuts are giving up on NYC.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:16:49pm

a little happy something for BeachDem:

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piratedan  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:16:50pm

re: #137 JordanRules

maybe if the white people, the Christians, The Conservatives and the Republicans hadn’t been waging a culture war against The Muslims, the women, the black people, the brown people, the yellow people, the red people and the liberals they wouldn’t feel like they were in a war.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:21:33pm

At some point, he should probably just give up.

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scottslemmons  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:22:26pm

Off-topic, but this kind of marketing dumbitude really irritates me:

Instagram

Hey, @dccomics, @justiceleague, and #Pez, aren’t you missing a character here? You know, $400 million at the box office, sensational reviews, ringing any bells yet?

There’ve been improvements in recent years with marketers realizing, yes, women watch action movies and comic book movies, and men don’t have their dicks fall off if they see a Wonder Woman movie, but there are still a lot of moron holdouts running marketing offices.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:23:20pm

Ex-MLB pitcher Roy Halladay died in a plane crash today.
cbssports.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:24:27pm

re: #182 scottslemmons

Off-topic, but this kind of marketing dumbitude really irritates me:

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There’ve been improvements in recent years with marketers realizing, yes, women watch action movies and comic book movies, and men don’t have their dicks fall off if they see a Wonder Woman movie, but there are still a lot of moron holdouts running marketing offices.

While I totally agree with your point, to me the most striking thing is that Pez still exists.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:25:24pm

On my 30th birthday in 2001, I went to Boston to go to Fenway Park to see the Red Sox play two games. The first night was against Toronto, and this pitcher who I had never heard of just mowed the Red Sox down. From that night on, I followed all his starts. His name was Roy Halladay.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:25:48pm

re: #180 piratedan

maybe if the white people, the Christians, The Conservatives and the Republicans hadn’t been waging a culture war against The Muslims, the women, the black people, the brown people, the yellow people, the red people and the liberals they wouldn’t feel like they were in a war.

Poor Chuck Woolery, being asked to share. Must feel like Auschwitz with a side of Slavery. Poor baby.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:25:55pm

re: #183 Ace Rothstein

Ex-MLB pitcher Roy Halladay died in a plane crash today.
cbssports.com

Yeah, just saw that. Terrible news. Only 40.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:26:36pm

re: #174 Ace Rothstein

One of the poll workers said something to the effect of “He had a drivers license, almost everyone does. But he presented the one he knew we were going to challenge.” So I take it he was trying to prove something by presenting an obscure ID.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:27:21pm

re: #183 Ace Rothstein

Ex-MLB pitcher Roy Halladay died in a plane crash today.
cbssports.com

Oh damn. RIP Doc.

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Kragar  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:27:37pm
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Sir John Barron  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:27:49pm

re: #181 Blind Frog Belly White

At some point, he should probably just give up.

Very hard to find a reliable hit man these days.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:29:33pm

re: #191 Sir John Barron

Very hard to find a reliable hit man these days.

Yeah. But next time you need a cop, just say you’re looking for a hit man.

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Kragar  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:30:51pm

Shep is tired of the shit

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:31:58pm

re: #193 Kragar

Shep is tired of the shit

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He really should leave FNC and write a tell all about the bullshit that goes on at that network.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:32:17pm

re: #193 Kragar

Shep is tired of the shit

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Time to find a new job, Shep.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:33:03pm

re: #195 Ace Rothstein

Time to find a new job, Shep.

That much was evident when he called out Not Joe the Not Plumber for calling Obama anti-semitic.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:33:28pm

re: #194 HappyWarrior

He really should leave FNC and write a tell all about the bullshit that goes on at that network.

You think since he’s the token “liberal” at Fox that his contract probably has a NDA in it?

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:34:13pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

That much was evident when he called out Not Joe the Not Plumber for calling Obama anti-semitic.

Beck said Obama had a deep-seated hatred for white people. I guess Obama hated half of himself.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:34:39pm

Shelby’s birthday cheeseburgers have been acquired and consumed.
Odysseus shared a bit of his with Squeak (not by choice) and rejected his pickle slice. Shelby vacuumed that up, along with half his bun.

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:34:56pm

re: #195 Ace Rothstein

Time to find a new job, Shep.

He gets a little something extra in his paycheck when he occasionally acts as the voice of reason.
/

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gocart mozart  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:35:18pm

Remember this

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:35:26pm

re: #197 Ace Rothstein

You think since he’s the token “liberal” at Fox that his contract probably has a NDA in it?

That sounds likely yeah.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:36:16pm

re: #198 Ace Rothstein

Beck said Obama had deep-seated hatred for white people. I guess Obama hated half of himself.

And his mom and grandparents that he always speaks highly of. Haven’t heard much from Beck these days.

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Kragar  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:39:19pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:40:09pm

So why is it Ok for EVERY right winger on the planet to talk about Chicago?

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:42:11pm

re: #205 I Would Prefer Not To

Because Talia Lemongrass is an idiot who needs attention to cover for the fact that she isn’t bringing anything to the table.

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scottslemmons  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:42:24pm

re: #190 Kragar

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I think I’m the last person on the planet who’s still on the 140-character limit. I half-suspect they’ll never switch me over. “You tweet insults at Jack too much, we’re dropping you to 93 characters.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:42:24pm

re: #205 I Would Prefer Not To

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So why is it Ok for EVERY right winger on the planet to talk about Chicago?

Because Chicago’s full of blah people for Tomi to lecture.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:44:15pm

re: #207 scottslemmons

I think I’m the last person on the planet who’s still on the 140-character limit. I half-suspect they’ll never switch me over. “You tweet insults at Jack too much, we’re dropping you to 93 characters.”

Nope. Jack still has me at the 140 limit, too…

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gocart mozart  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:44:44pm

This was my thought the other day also

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:44:55pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:45:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:48:50pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

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Fake bs sells.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:49:25pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:50:26pm
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weave  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:51:47pm

Oh look, surprise, the Texas shooting was Obama’s fault. Yes, Cruz has figured out a way to blame Obama.

Blame Democrats for Church Shooting

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:52:24pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

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She’s been consistent slamming not just Trump but the entire GOP.

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KGxvi  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:52:33pm

re: #210 gocart mozart

I really want the resolution to Jar Jar’s story to prove this to be true.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:53:00pm

re: #216 weave

Oh look, surprise, the Texas shooting was Obama’s fault.

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Don’t politicize shootings, we’ll do that for you.

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Kragar  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:54:17pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:59:37pm

Quit TweetDeck and relaunched and boom - I now have 280 characters to rant with.

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MsJ  Nov 7, 2017 • 1:59:45pm

re: #217 HappyWarrior

She’s been consistent slamming not just Trump but the entire GOP.

After she spent years doing what every other republican operative did.

I have a hard time accepting this bullshit. David Gergen had something up today, as well. They both built this shit.

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petesh  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:00:42pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

Yes, Rubin’s been good for months. Time will tell if this is a real come-to-the-light moment, but right now I’ll take any ally I can get. Almost. (Bill Kristol remains a step too far.)

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BeachDem  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:01:44pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

a little happy something for BeachDem:

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Dayum, I love that man. He is the brightest light on Twitter, that’s for sure.

Thanks.

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TedStriker  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:02:42pm

re: #221 Charles Johnson

Quit TweetDeck and relaunched and boom - I now have 280 characters to rant with.

Still at 140 here.

Meh…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:02:48pm

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

She’s wearing black…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:03:14pm

re: #222 MsJ

After she spent years doing what every other republican operative did.

I have a hard time accepting this bullshit. David Gergen had something up today, as well. They both built this shit.

I hear you but at least she’s not acting like Trump is an anamoly and the GOP will be fine if they just rid themselves of him.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:03:50pm

re: #226 GlutenFreeJesus

She’s wearing black…

A Geraldo hoodie moment.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:05:27pm

re: #190 Kragar

Oh goody! Now we can get twice the bloviating nonsense from Trump. He’ll be happy because his insults can be lengthier.

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Belafon  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:05:42pm

re: #225 TedStriker

Still at 140 here.

Meh…

Did you try signing off and back on? Not that I’ve had a chance to try it.

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Belafon  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:06:18pm

re: #229 Patricia Kayden

Oh goody! Now we can get twice the bloviating nonsense from Trump. He’ll be happy because his insults can be lengthier.

I suspect 280 characters will screw up his rhythm.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:07:15pm
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petesh  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:10:39pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

It’s not compulsory to write on both sides of the paper

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jaunte  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:10:41pm

re: #231 Belafon

Sad! Sad sad sad sad sad, believe me.

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Skip Intro  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:11:22pm

re: #90 RiverBoy

What other conclusion can you come to when you look at the current state of politics in this country? The Dems are struggling. The GOP controls a majority in all levels of Gov’t. If that isn’t struggling what is?

You really want to see struggling? You’ll see the bottom fall out if the Dems lose VA to a Trumper tonight.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:13:11pm

re: #235 Skip Intro

Nah. We’re already destroyed so whatevs.

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RiverBoy  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:13:22pm

re: #176 Renaissance_Man

“You could not be more wrong here, and I say this as someone who thinks that Citizens United will end up being the single worst decision in the history of the US Supreme Court, and the one that will bring about the downfall of the Republic.”

You say I could not be more wrong, turn around and say Citizen United will bring about the downfall of the Republic, then go on a tell me why the Democrats need to continue the practice that you believe will ruin the country? Sorry that doesn’t make sense to me at all. You also made a lot assumptions about what type of people care about this issue that I take offense to as well. It is pretty arrogant to assert that mainly privileged white folk are falling for a media narrative. I am neither white nor privileged but what I can see are daily examples of money corrupting our politicians. You can’t complain about the NRA holding politicians hostage with their money then turn around and say it is necessary the Democrats take some money too because they need access to mainstream media. Positions on policies will never matter as long as money is able to influence the decisions. And since the GOP takes in much more money from special interest groups they will always have a built in advantage. Again it makes no sense to me for the DNC to give the GOP that advantage and at the same time appear to covet that money that gives them the advantage.

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gocart mozart  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:16:11pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

Has Rubin gone full Charles Johnson? You never go full Charles Johnson!

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scottslemmons  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:16:56pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

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(shakes fist)

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jaunte  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:18:17pm
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gwangung  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:18:18pm

re: #237 RiverBoy

You say I could not be more wrong, turn around and say Citizen United will bring about the downfall of the Republic, then go on a tell me why the Democrats need to continue the practice that you believe will ruin the country? Sorry that doesn’t make sense to me at all

Because the problem is the environment, not the candidates.

Change the environment FIRST—-or else you put up candidates designed to fail in the environment that’s been built.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:19:36pm

re: #240 jaunte

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He always was a scumbag. Now he’s just a racist scumbag instead of an Enron scumbag. BTW, that’s why we shouldn’t rush to rehab W too quickly. W still supported him and even campaigned for him as have many “sane Republicans” including to my disappointment, John Warner who actually supported Mark against Gillespie three years ago when Ed ran for Senate.

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BeachDem  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:19:42pm

re: #216 weave

Oh look, surprise, the Texas shooting was Obama’s fault. Yes, Cruz has figured out a way to blame Obama.

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Video

Not to be petty (but to be petty) but wtf is he wearing?

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BeachDem  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:21:09pm

re: #222 MsJ

After she spent years doing what every other republican operative did.

I have a hard time accepting this bullshit. David Gergen had something up today, as well. They both built this shit.

And wait till her heartthrob, Mitt, is back on the campaign trail.

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:21:54pm

re: #241 gwangung

Because the problem is the environment, not the candidates.

Change the environment FIRST—-or else you put up candidates designed to fail in the environment that’s been built.

Too right. Horse, then cart.

Can’t change the environment if you cannot survive in it.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:22:05pm

re: #237 RiverBoy

It’s been pointed out a couple times that you might want to even the playing field first not just amplify their advantage by walking away from the reality.

That’s how you can reconcile thinking it’s bad and knowing the way you fix it isn’t just pretending it doesn’t exist (just for your side).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:22:05pm

re: #244 BeachDem

And wait till her heartthrob, Mitt, is back on the campaign trail.

Agh that’s right. Mitt’s likely to run for Hatch’s spot since Hatch is stepping down. Cannot stand Mitt. Mitt’s Trump if Trump pretended to have class.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:24:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:24:50pm

The most pathetic thing about Gillespie is he’s only done this to get the Stewart fans who never trusted him that much due to him being the ultimate GOP insider and who nearly beat him when he ran against Stewart in the primaries. The guy is all about power and giving favors to his wealthy and connected friends. He lacks any principles. I mean screw Corey Stewart but if Corey Stewart is Theodore Bilbo, Eddie’s George Wallace promising he’d won get “out n-worded” again.

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Skip Intro  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:26:33pm

Apologies if this has been posted, but it’s just NUTS!

Trump: Gun Control Would Have Left ‘Hundreds More Dead’ In Texas church

huffingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:27:33pm

re: #250 Skip Intro

Apologies if this has been posted, but it’s just NUTS!

Trump: Gun Control Would Have Left ‘Hundreds More Dead’ In Texas church

huffingtonpost.com

WTF is he babbling about.

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ObserverArt  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:28:38pm

re: #194 HappyWarrior

He really should leave FNC and write a tell all about the bullshit that goes on at that network.

I hope he drops some bombs and screws up Fox while still there so their viewers get to hear it. Then he can leave…or at that time they will fire him.

Since I never watch Fox, does he have credibility with Fox viewers so they would heed his words or would they excuse it away and say he lost it?

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Skip Intro  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:29:22pm

re: #236 JordanRules

Nah. We’re already destroyed so whatevs.

Losing a state that went to Clinton by 5 points a year ago isn’t something you can just shrug off no matter how much you want to. Hope it doesn’t happen.

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Skip Intro  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:30:22pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

WTF is he babbling about.

The check from the NRA just cleared.

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Skip Intro  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:31:48pm

re: #194 HappyWarrior

He really should leave FNC and write a tell all about the bullshit that goes on at that network.

Since he hasn’t been fired I have to assume he’s there to play a part.

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jaunte  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:32:27pm

re: #250 Skip Intro

Trump has a few tropes he recycles; he must be thinking there were “hundreds waiting outside to get in.”

The gunman started unloading his 450 rounds of ammo from outside, targeting the congregation of about 50 people.
cnn.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:32:40pm

re: #255 Skip Intro

Since he hasn’t been fired I have to assume he’s there to play a part.

True enough.

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:33:27pm

re: #252 ObserverArt

I hope he drops some bombs and screws up Fox while still there so their viewers get to hear it. Then he can leave…or at that time they will fire him.

Since I never watch Fox, does he have credibility with Fox viewers so they would heed his words or would they excuse it away and say he lost it?

Shep does this type of thing every so often - he’ll go off on a rant contrary to what you’d expect from FNC (the most famous one was his rant in the aftermath of Katrina) and collect plaudits from people who don’t actually watch FNC and get excited because someone at FNC is actually making sense.

I stopped getting excited about his rants a while back and just point out that it’s the exception and not the rule when he does it.

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whitebeach  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:35:34pm

re: #237 RiverBoy

You can’t complain about the NRA holding politicians hostage with their money then turn around and say it is necessary the Democrats take some money too because they need access to mainstream media. Positions on policies will never matter as long as money is able to influence the decisions. And since the GOP takes in much more money from special interest groups they will always have a built in advantage. Again it makes no sense to me for the DNC to give the GOP that advantage and at the same time appear to covet that money that gives them the advantage.

Let me make sure I understand you here. You’re saying that because the other side always has more bullets, we should give up shiploads of our own bullets in order to win the battle? And, I guess to look pure in your eyes? It’s politics, RB. Nobody’s pure, and you fight with what you’ve got and what you can get.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:36:37pm

Dinner time!

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:36:47pm

re: #253 Skip Intro

But if we are already destroyed how in the hell would I expect us to win it in the first place?

Oh, let me add these //////// since folks might not get that this is snark in your response to you having declared us dead already.

We’re not destroyed either way it goes today. We focus on AL next regardless.

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whitebeach  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:37:47pm

re: #260 Dr. Matt

Dinner time!

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Jesus! You eat it or it eats you.

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Belafon  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:38:33pm

re: #261 JordanRules

We’ve got a ready-made conspiracy theory: The Russians.

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Skip Intro  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:39:37pm

re: #261 JordanRules

If Democrats can’t be bothered to go out and vote after 10 months of Trump what will make them do it?

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:39:51pm

re: #263 Belafon

I’m just going to start voting in Russia’s elections.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:42:06pm

re: #264 Skip Intro

That, I really don’t know. Hopefully turnout doesn’t keep us wondering that.

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ObserverArt  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:42:35pm

re: #221 Charles Johnson

Quit TweetDeck and relaunched and boom - I now have 280 characters to rant with.

280 characters to get wingnuts and moonbeams even more upset with you. Expect double the abusive Tweets heading your way!

Good luck. : )

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:42:56pm

re: #267 ObserverArt

280 characters to get wingnuts and moonbeams even more upset with you. Expect double the abusive Tweets heading your way!

Good luck. : )

Just think of the misspellings and dramatic grammatical errors that we will see from Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:44:23pm

I feel pretty good about tonight honestly. I honestly can’t see Gillespie pulling this off.

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Belafon  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:46:17pm

re: #269 HappyWarrior

I feel pretty good about tonight honestly. I honestly can’t see Gillespie pulling this off.

I’ll take the word of someone in VA. All of the governor elections there have been close.

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Interesting Times  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:48:28pm

re: #176 Renaissance_Man

I actually think both you and Riverboy are making valid points. I agree with you and others re the need to accept large donations in this craptastic, corrupt environment…but I also agree with him re feelings of despair and apathy amongst people who might otherwise vote Dem (NOT the racist shitheads. They’re beyond salvation. I’m talking about the ~45% of people who just plain don’t show up to vote, even if gerrymandering/voter ID aren’t a significant limiting factor).

Consider the following excerpt from Chris Hedges’ book “Unspeakable”:

“American politics is anti-politics. Culture wars have replaced political debate. The Democrats co-opted the liberal elites, minorities and unions. The Republican Party embraced the Christian right, nativists and opponents of abortion rights. The Republicans and the Democrats looked at their supporters as useful idiots. It worked for a while. Then, the manipulated and the abandoned rose up. Voters flocked to the Trump and Sanders’ political insurgencies.

It was a bankrupt liberal establishment that made possible the rise of totalitarianism in Germany and Russia. From Fyodor Dostoevsky to Hannah Arendt [astute observers have] singled out a failed liberalism as the cause of widespread hopelessness and isolation that led to totalitarianism. They understood that stories of rage begin as stories of despair. Liberalism, by constantly betraying its stated values, destroyed itself. It left the working poor bereft of support. Incremental and piecemeal reform within the system became impossible. When the underclasses turned against the liberal establishment in Weimar Germany or revolutionary Russia, they rejected not only its representatives, but the values liberals claimed to represent. A desperate population searched for a messianic leader who would bring new glory, strength, moral renewal and vengeance.

We can continue to vote for these self-identified liberals, but the problem will only get worse. Trump may disappear. But someone as vile will rise to take his place. The mantra of the “least worse” does not work—look at the steady deterioration in American politics. The “least worst” paves the way for the worst.

Agree with him or not, the last part especially seems to sum up the messaging problem Democrats have right now. So…how do we craft a message that actually speaks to non-voters, and how do we get it out despite all the systemic disadvantages like a hostile or hapless media? That’s the conversation to have.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:48:39pm

re: #270 Belafon

I’ll take the word of someone in VA. All of the governor elections there have been close.

It’s going to be close. I say less than 5 points when we’re through but I think Northam as well Justin Fairfax and Mark Herring and a net gain of Democrats in the House of Delegates will be there.

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KGxvi  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:49:24pm

49.7-44.4

That was Clinton’s margin of victory in Virginia last year. I will be curious to see how close to that 5 point margin it gets tonight.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:50:47pm

Thing you guys have to realize about Gillespie is he barely won a low turnout primary in June. He’s also the type of Republican who the base dislikes. They’ll be voting for him but he’s nowhere near the campaigner that past successful Republican gubernatorial candidates have been. I didn’t like Bob McDonnell at all but when he won here in 2009, he did it by portraying himself as a reasonable moderate and George Allen and Jim Gilmore won here when the state was much different than it is now. So yeah I think Ralph pulls this out. I have to think that voters are tired of Gillespie’s negative campaigning. Most of his ads have been very negative.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:51:42pm

re: #273 KGxvi

49.7-44.4

That was Clinton’s margin of victory in Virginia last year. I will be curious to see how close to that 5 point margin it gets tonight.

I think it will be around that perhaps with Ralph getting over 50%. I want to advise our non-Virginia lizards though. Do NOT freak out if Ed leads early. Our rural and heavily Republican counties and precincts report first.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:54:03pm

Chuck U on Press the Meat still doing the “Let’s Ask Trump Voters”. Time to shut off Sirius for 7 more minutes and Ari comes on…

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Belafon  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:54:41pm

re: #275 HappyWarrior

I think it will be around that perhaps with Ralph getting over 50%. I want to advise our non-Virginia lizards though. Do NOT freak out if Ed leads early. Our rural and heavily Republican counties and precincts report first.

Superstition requires us to panic.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:54:53pm

re: #276 Joe Bacon 🌹

Chuck U on Press the Meat still doing the “Let’s Ask Trump Voters”. Time to shut off Sirius for 7 more minutes and Ari comes on…

You know, I never saw a “Let’s ask Obama” voters or even “Let’s Ask Bush voters.” So much focus for a guy who lost the popular vote.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:55:29pm

re: #277 Belafon

Superstition requires us to panic.

Of course. I just hope it’s a good night. Gillespie is such a sleazebag opportunist.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:57:00pm

Carter Page Tapped For Lead Role In New ‘Gilligan’s Island Movie

goofy sidekick and fuckup natural for the role, says his parole officer

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 2:57:46pm
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KGxvi  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:00:11pm

re: #280 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Carter Page Tapped For Lead Role In New ‘Gilligan’s Island Movie

goofy sidekick and fuckup natural for the role, says his parole officer

I started to read the transcript, but there were so many Trump talking points int he opening statement, I tuned out and my eyes glazed over. I did like the bit of “I’ve never met Donald Trump, been in several meetings with him, but never met him face to face.”

In the immortal words of Scooby Doo, “Ahh rooooo?”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:00:40pm

re: #275 HappyWarrior

I think it will be around that perhaps with Ralph getting over 50%. I want to advise our non-Virginia lizards though. Do NOT freak out if Ed leads early. Our rural and heavily Republican counties and precincts report first.

i’m sorry i’ve been permanently freaked out for about exactly a year now not sure why thinking of disabling my tv and internet

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:01:58pm

re: #283 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i’m sorry i’ve been permanently freaked out for about exactly a year now not sure why thinking of disabling my tv and internet

No need to be sorry. Just telling people do not be alarmed when it comes to that. I do hate though how we in NoVa always have to save the day. Love my state but we’d be like any other deep South state if not for our population centers.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:03:07pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:03:33pm

I remember when there were non-stop “ask the Obama voters” at times like these…. What’s that you say? They were Tea Partiers?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:06:57pm

re: #286 Barefoot Grin

I remember when there were non-stop “ask the Obama voters” at times like these…. What’s that you say? They were Tea Partiers?

There wasn’t. And no one has attempted to try to figure out the HRC voters even though we were the actual majority.

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:07:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:08:09pm

re: #288 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

That’s what happens when you put a loyalist rather than someone who knows what the hell they’re doing in charge of the CIA.

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BeachDem  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:08:33pm

re: #280 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Carter Page Tapped For Lead Role In New ‘Gilligan’s Island Movie

goofy sidekick and fuckup natural for the role, says his parole officer

Last night we were positing that his testimony was out of a Coen brothers’ movie, but I think Charlie Pierce has it pegged more accurately:

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JordanRules  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:09:13pm

re: #289 HappyWarrior

Yup. He’s doing exactly what he’s supposed to. The Republic be damned.

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ObserverArt  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:09:18pm

Ari Melber is reporting that Trump’s former personal bodyguard and letter carrier Keith Schiller is now going to be called in and grilled by Mueller and Gang about Russia, etc.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:09:31pm

Does everyone else have 280 characters? Because I don’t!

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calochortus  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:10:59pm

re: #293 Dr. Matt

Does everyone else have 280 characters? Because I don’t!

Well, I don’t, but that could be related to the fact I don’t have a Twitter account.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:11:27pm

re: #294 calochortus

Well, I don’t, but that could be related to the fact I don’t have a Twitter account.

:|

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RiverBoy  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:12:00pm

re: #259 whitebeach

Not what I am saying at all. The money part is not where their advantage comes from. The Clinton campaign raised and used more money than Trump did and it still amounted to a loss. The advantage part is that the GOP can take as much money they want from any horrible billionaire they can find and their base doesn’t blink an eye. They will not lose votes for being corrupted by money as long as they spout the red meat their base loves. The DNC does not have that luxury. There is no juicy red meat to throw out there that will unite the entire left and turn a blind eye to corruption.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:12:31pm

re: #290 BeachDem

Last night we were positing that his testimony was out of a Coen brothers’ movie, but I think Charlie Pierce has it pegged more accurately:

[Embedded content]

heh

i replied to him w my little jest

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Weaselone  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:17:22pm

Right…

If liberalism has failed anyone in this country, it’s the people that still vote for liberals. Are they telling me that liberalism has failed middle upper class white people and the old people spending their Social Security checks on the survival foods and gold the see on Fox? Are they suggesting that these individuals are as bad off as Russian peasants under the Tsar and the Germans during the Wiemar Republic? Are they insinuating that Russia under the Tsar and the Weimer Republic were even particularly liberal? Or are they using liberal in the sense of economic liberalism?

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Amory Blaine  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:19:46pm

Charging the blitzkrieg on horseback comes to mind. You fight using the rules at your disposal. Purity will bury liberals.

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calochortus  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:22:05pm

I was just checking FR’s take on the Virginia election and came upon this gem:

To: Interesting Times
I voted at a solidly GOP precinct. No line. My gut feel is that light turnout generally favors GOP — because light turnout means uninteresting election and Dems are too lazy to bother.
123 posted on 11/7/2017, 2:02:21 PM by Calvin Cooledge

Then someone down thread was worried about fraud because Freepers were reporting light turnouts in their precincts but the reported turnout numbers were fairly high, so where were these voters??????

Possibly in liberal precincts, but what do I know?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:23:31pm

there are more of these poor insecure macho nerds than one might think

McInnes calls the Proud Boys a “fraternal order” dedicated to a concept he calls “Western chauvinism,” which is roughly spelled out in the Proud Boys’ list of “tenets,” published in the official Proud Boys magazine.
They include closed borders, free speech, gun rights, and “venerating the housewife.” Proud Boys also abide by a “no wanks” rule, which is a loose prohibition on masturbation, because, they say, it is better to have sex and produce babies.
“Though these are our central tenets, all that is required to become a Proud Boy is that a man declare he is ‘a Western chauvinist who refuses to apologize for creating the modern world’,” according to the Proud Boy Magazine.

rewire.news

echidneofthesnakes.blogspot.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:23:36pm

I don’t have 280 yet either, at least not in my all. I even logged out and back in again.

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Nyet  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:24:03pm

re: #190 Kragar

So now not only the neo-Nazis, but also I will have this feature? /

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Nyet  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:27:36pm

I think … it works?

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calochortus  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:30:24pm

re: #301 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

That’s a sad sounding group.

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KGxvi  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:32:31pm

re: #299 Amory Blaine

Charging the blitzkrieg on horseback comes to mind. You fight using the rules at your disposal. Purity will bury liberals.

Seems apt:

Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:32:47pm

re: #298 Weaselone

Right…

If liberalism has failed anyone in this country, it’s the people that still vote for liberals. Are they telling me that liberalism has failed middle upper class white people and the old people spending their Social Security checks on the survival foods and gold the see on Fox? Are they suggesting that these individuals are as bad off as Russian peasants under the Tsar and the Germans during the Wiemar Republic? Are they insinuating that Russia under the Tsar and the Weimer Republic were even particularly liberal? Or are they using liberal in the sense of economic liberalism?

they are using “liberalism” in the sense of some weird strawman philosophy concocted for them by foxnews et al which doesn’t even have the good grace to be definite or coherent, but can conveniently be said to be overcome since it never existed in the first place

you can ask a wingnut what “liberalism” is, but i’ll wager you won’t get a very useable answer

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KGxvi  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:34:02pm

re: #301 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

there are more of these poor insecure macho nerds than one might think

McInnes calls the Proud Boys a “fraternal order” dedicated to a concept he calls “Western chauvinism,” which is roughly spelled out in the Proud Boys’ list of “tenets,” published in the official Proud Boys magazine.
They include closed borders, free speech, gun rights, and “venerating the housewife.” Proud Boys also abide by a “no wanks” rule, which is a loose prohibition on masturbation, because, they say, it is better to have sex and produce babies.
“Though these are our central tenets, all that is required to become a Proud Boy is that a man declare he is ‘a Western chauvinist who refuses to apologize for creating the modern world’,” according to the Proud Boy Magazine.

rewire.news

echidneofthesnakes.blogspot.com

Depending on your definition of “modern”, nobody alive today can claim they created the modern world. At most, there’s a handful, and that’s people like Bill Gates, not these… wankers.

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whitebeach  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:34:58pm

re: #296 RiverBoy

Not what I am saying at all. The money part is not where their advantage comes from. The Clinton campaign raised and used more money than Trump did and it still amounted to a loss. The advantage part is that the GOP can take as much money they want from any horrible billionaire they can find and their base doesn’t blink an eye. They will not lose votes for being corrupted by money as long as they spout the red meat their base loves. The DNC does not have that luxury. There is no juicy red meat to throw out there that will unite the entire left and turn a blind eye to corruption.

I still can’t quite get a handle on your point. Are you faulting Dems for taking money from billionaires, “horrible” or not, or for not throwing red meat to their base?

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TedStriker  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:35:33pm

re: #301 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

there are more of these poor insecure macho nerds than one might think

McInnes calls the Proud Boys a “fraternal order” dedicated to a concept he calls “Western chauvinism,” which is roughly spelled out in the Proud Boys’ list of “tenets,” published in the official Proud Boys magazine.
They include closed borders, free speech, gun rights, and “venerating the housewife.” Proud Boys also abide by a “no wanks” rule, which is a loose prohibition on masturbation, because, they say, it is better to have sex and produce babies.
“Though these are our central tenets, all that is required to become a Proud Boy is that a man declare he is ‘a Western chauvinist who refuses to apologize for creating the modern world’,” according to the Proud Boy Magazine.

rewire.news

echidneofthesnakes.blogspot.com

E-gads!

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whitebeach  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:39:16pm

re: #276 Joe Bacon 🌹

Chuck U on Press the Meat still doing the “Let’s Ask Trump Voters”. Time to shut off Sirius for 7 more minutes and Ari comes on…

There are many things I’d like to ask Trump voters, but I guess I’d start with, “How’s the view in there? See any polyps or hemorrhoids?”

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Bass Reeves  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:44:16pm

re: #296 RiverBoy

Not what I am saying at all. The money part is not where their advantage comes from. The Clinton campaign raised and used more money than Trump did and it still amounted to a loss. The advantage part is that the GOP can take as much money they want from any horrible billionaire they can find and their base doesn’t blink an eye. They will not lose votes for being corrupted by money as long as they spout the red meat their base loves. The DNC does not have that luxury. There is no juicy red meat to throw out there that will unite the entire left and turn a blind eye to corruption.

There are a couple of things to unpack here. The comparison of Clinton fundraising to Trump’s discounts like…basically the entire foreign government effort to discredit her along with *COMEY* and Congressional Republicans spending every waking moment for between two and thirty years smearing her. It discounts the media coverage of her and her positions (well, the lack of coverage in her position). It discounts voter suppression in key states. It presupposes Clinton lost because of things she did wrong, instead of factors unique to this particular election (like misogyny).

The second is the assumption that money equals corruption. Or that the sum of money equals corruption, rather than any actual attempts to quid pro quo. That rich donors never give money to people who actually hold similar views, but only to those willing to change their views because of money. I don’t think this is technically a proven. Asshole politicians who take office to earn money are affected by people giving them money. Politicians who take office to affect change, not so much. Doesn’t change the fact that tv spots, ad buys, GOTV efforts, and rallies cost money.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:52:09pm

re: #293 Dr. Matt

Does everyone else have 280 characters? Because I don’t!

I do, as of today.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:52:45pm

re: #260 Dr. Matt

Portion size is quite generous, eh?

I couldn’t eat the whole thing in one sitting now, and probably shouldn’t anyway.

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RiverBoy  Nov 7, 2017 • 3:57:09pm

re: #309 whitebeach

I am saying taking money, as a politician, from billionaires to fund your campaign is at the very least the perception of corruption. Not many billionaires hand over huge sums of money and expect nothing in return. The point I have been trying to make is that the GOP will always have the built in advantage because they have a base that will turn a blind eye to it. The Democrats on the other hand have to get votes from people that actually care if they’re represented by non-corrupted officials. In your first question you used bullets as a metaphor for money in politics so maybe this might explain my point. Not all bullets hit their intended target. The GOP base are easy targets. The DNC has much more difficult targets to hit. And in the times you miss you target unintended consequences may occur. So while the GOP are over there shooting fish in the barrel, The DNC are getting some hits here and there but at the same time some of them are shooting themselves it the foot. That isn’t working out from my point of view.

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austin_blue  Nov 7, 2017 • 4:12:42pm

re: #163 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

He is one of Lubbock’s leading citizens and most vocal activists.
People who have never been to Lubbock might be tempted to think that I am weirdly fixated on the negative aspects of the place.
Those who have been there would probably think I am too easy on the place.

I’ve gotten drunk on The Slide.

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makeitstop  Nov 7, 2017 • 4:25:09pm

re: #301 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

there are more of these poor insecure macho nerds than one might think

McInnes calls the Proud Boys a “fraternal order” dedicated to a concept he calls “Western chauvinism,” which is roughly spelled out in the Proud Boys’ list of “tenets,” published in the official Proud Boys magazine.
They include closed borders, free speech, gun rights, and “venerating the housewife.” Proud Boys also abide by a “no wanks” rule, which is a loose prohibition on masturbation, because, they say, it is better to have sex and produce babies.
“Though these are our central tenets, all that is required to become a Proud Boy is that a man declare he is ‘a Western chauvinist who refuses to apologize for creating the modern world’,” according to the Proud Boy Magazine.

rewire.news

echidneofthesnakes.blogspot.com

‘Proud Boys’ - nerds who can’t get laid.

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Pineapple Pizzagate  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:41:52pm

re: #317 makeitstop

‘Proud Boys’ - nerds who can’t get laid.

That’s an insult to nerds who can’t get laid.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 7, 2017 • 6:54:25pm

I’m not watching. How badly is he embarrassing us tonight?


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