Twitter “Verifies” Charlottesville Nazi Rally Organizer Jason Kessler

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So today, this happened on Twitter: they awarded their “verified” checkmark to white supremacist dirtbag Jason Kessler, who organized the Nazi rally in Charlottesville that resulted in the death of Heather Heyer, killed when one of the rally attendees drove a car at high speed directly into a crowd of counter-protesters.

Shortly after the disastrous hate rally, Kessler signed on to Twitter and wrote, “Heather Heyer was a fat, disgusting Communist. Communists have killed 94 million. Looks like it was payback time.” The tweet included a link to neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer.

And now he’s verified by Twitter, and gloating about it.

Twitter says the verified checkmark is not a sign of approval by Twitter, and is intended to let people know an account of “public interest” is authentic. But it’s no secret that many people see it as a status symbol and consider it to be a mark of quality. And now one of the most vile people in this country has one.

This isn’t the first time Twitter has verified an outright Nazi/white supremacist, either. They’ve also verified Nazi leader Richard Spencer, “alt-right” clown “BakedAlaska,” and racist conspiracy peddler Mike Cernovich. Oh, and let’s not forget the king of ugly conspiracy theories: Alex Jones.

This outrageous decision comes after Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey made public statements vowing to enforce their rules better, do more to prevent harassment and hate speech, and institute more transparency.

What can you even say at this point?

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 8, 2017 • 5:53:58pm

Okay I like Twitter to leverage posts here and vice versa. The millisecond that’s not a good idea I’m out of Twitter.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 5:54:33pm

And Twitter still caps me at 140…

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 8, 2017 • 5:54:55pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 8, 2017 • 5:55:02pm

I just created a Mastodon account. @Shazbat.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2017 • 5:56:00pm

re: #4 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I just created a Mastodon account. @Shazbat.

A Mastodon account? What?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 8, 2017 • 5:57:44pm

re: #5 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

A Mastodon account? What?

littlegreenfootballs.com

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 8, 2017 • 5:58:28pm

It’s not even like Nazis are some golden advertising demographic either.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 8, 2017 • 5:58:39pm
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jaunte  Nov 8, 2017 • 5:58:41pm

Contact with Trump rots everything. Without exception.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 8, 2017 • 5:59:03pm

re: #7 bill d. (b.d.)

It’s not even like Nazis are some golden advertising demographic either.

I dunno, it seems to work for the Republicans.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 8, 2017 • 5:59:08pm

re: #2 Joe Bacon 🌹

And Twitter still caps me at 140…

Even for your own Tweets? I have 140 when replying to 140 Tweets, but 280 when Tweeting myself. Mastodon has 500 character posts.

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Belafon  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:00:18pm

re: #9 jaunte

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Contact with Trump rots everything. Without exception.

Though experiment: If you could change the government in some way, how would you fix this?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:01:02pm

re: #9 jaunte

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Contact with Trump rots everything. Without exception.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:01:40pm

re: #12 Belafon

Though experiment: If you could change the government in some way, how would you fix this?

Give me a point-to-point teleportation device and a moon prison.

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whitebeach  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:02:50pm

Twitter would “verify” dead Adolf Hitler, and probably nominate him for the Nobel Peace Prize as well, if they thought it would generate a few hundred extra clicks. This is one of the reasons, but only one, that I will never be on Twitter.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:02:57pm

re: #10 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I dunno, it seems to work for the Republicans.

/

Fixed your snark tag for you.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:03:25pm

re: #14 goddamnedfrank

Give me a point-to-point teleportation device and a moon prison.

With a disintegration ray, you could save a lot of money by faking the teleportation and the moon prison.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:04:29pm

re: #6 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

littlegreenfootballs.com

Okay. It’s just that the post linked to a Twitter handle and it confused the hell out of me.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:04:37pm

re: #12 Belafon

I think we’ve been lulled into complacency because so many of our past presidents were not amoral outlaws. Too much of our national stability relies on the powerful following norms and customs, and feeling constrained by what the citizens think of them.

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:04:43pm

The question I have is, why do people on Twitter consider a verification mark to be a status symbol and a mark of quality? Given the number of bots, surely a verification mark should mean just that - a nonbot. Why is it considered to be a sign of official approval?

I also get that simply not getting rid of the Nazis is a sign of official approval, which is why I would be interested to see whether alternatives (eg. Mastodon) have some method of regulation to curb human nature. Unrestrained human nature is the main problem with internet communication at this point.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:05:52pm

re: #18 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Okay. It’s just that the post linked to a Twitter handle and it confused the hell out of me.

LGF did that. Maybe Charles should change that, since Twitter is not a friendly platform.

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:06:07pm

Saw this video a few days after the Charlottesville rally. Since this thread is about Kessler thought some might enjoy it.

This video captures the sound of the crowd shouting dirtbag Kessler down and has very little of him trying to talk. The crowd’s anger grows and grows and then they overwhelm him as other videos played by the media showed.

I think the person that shot this video did a great job of capturing a true American moment. They may not have intended the sound to be this way, but it sure does make the video message. It’s all about the crowd.

Angry Citizens Chase Virginia March Organizer Jason Kessler Stop Speech

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Belafon  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:07:15pm

re: #20 Renaissance_Man

The question I have is, why do people on Twitter consider a verification mark to be a status symbol and a mark of quality? Given the number of bots, surely a verification mark should mean just that - a nonbot. Why is it considered to be a sign of official approval?

I also get that simply not getting rid of the Nazis is a sign of official approval, which is why I would be interested to see whether alternatives (eg. Mastodon) have some method of regulation to curb human nature. Unrestrained human nature is the main problem with internet communication at this point.

Because you have to earn it.

If they made it easy to get, then it wouldn’t be anything.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:07:35pm

re: #20 Renaissance_Man

The question I have is, why do people on Twitter consider a verification mark to be a status symbol and a mark of quality? Given the number of bots, surely a verification mark should mean just that - a nonbot. Why is it considered to be a sign of official approval?

I also get that simply not getting rid of the Nazis is a sign of official approval, which is why I would be interested to see whether alternatives (eg. Mastodon) have some method of regulation to curb human nature. Unrestrained human nature is the main problem with internet communication at this point.

I’m just starting to look into Mastodon, but it looks like the servers are distributed, and each server operator can choose what to allow onto their instance. Kind of like Fidonet in the BBS days.

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whitebeach  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:08:34pm

re: #12 Belafon

Though experiment: If you could change the government in some way, how would you fix this?

I would make every single white conservative, and maybe some white liberals too, spend five years a a black person, or an “undocumented immigrant,” or a GLBT, or a Native American, or maybe just as a poor sick person with no health insurance. Anyone feel free to add other kinds of screwed-over folks here ______________ .

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:09:09pm

re: #20 Renaissance_Man

The question I have is, why do people on Twitter consider a verification mark to be a status symbol and a mark of quality? Given the number of bots, surely a verification mark should mean just that - a nonbot. Why is it considered to be a sign of official approval?

I also get that simply not getting rid of the Nazis is a sign of official approval, which is why I would be interested to see whether alternatives (eg. Mastodon) have some method of regulation to curb human nature. Unrestrained human nature is the main problem with internet communication at this point.

Because verification doesn’t simply mean “not a bot” - it is supposed to be reserved for people who Twitter deems “of note” or likely to be impersonated. It comes with some additional tools to help manage things like one’s mentions, I believe, although since I’m not verified I have no idea. Charles might be able to offer some more insight on that area.

Mastodon has a different set-up but some issues of its own, like how moderating can play out in reality. I don’t know that either model is ultimately going to solve the “unrestrained human nature” issue but I think that if it were applied better, Twitter’s approach has the better chance, honestly.

That’s part of what makes Twitter’s reluctance to deal with this so frustrating.

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Weaselone  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:09:18pm

re: #17 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

With a disintegration ray, you could save a lot of money by faking the teleportation and the moon prison.

Nah. A disintegration ray is probably still going to leave some sort of residue which would raise suspicion. Stick with the teleportation device, but teleport them directly into solid rock.

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Belafon  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:09:38pm

re: #19 jaunte

I think we’ve been lulled into complacency because so many of our past presidents were not amoral outlaws. Too much of our national stability relies on the powerful following norms and customs, and feeling constrained by what the citizens think of them.

Yep.

I was trying to think of a way to say, have the head of the FBI appointed by Congress, or maybe remove the ability to fire certain executive positions.

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Citizen K  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:11:31pm

When it becomes clear that Verified users get special treatment on twitter, it’s hard not to see it as a reward and an endorsement. This is yet another example of Twitter pandering to the fucking nutcases and putting the lie to any paeans toward inclusion and cracking down on abuse. The folks who run the service are blatant enablers.

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Belafon  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:11:41pm

re: #26 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Because verification doesn’t simply mean “not a bot” - it is supposed to be reserved for people who Twitter deems “of note” or likely to be impersonated. It comes with some additional tools to help manage things like one’s mentions, I believe, although since I’m not verified I have no idea. Charles might be able to offer some more insight on that area.

Mastodon has a different set-up but some issues of its own, like how moderating can play out in reality. I don’t know that either model is ultimately going to solve the “unrestrained human nature” issue but I think that if it were applied better, Twitter’s approach has the better chance, honestly.

That’s part of what makes Twitter’s reluctance to deal with this so frustrating.

The only way to make Twitter play nice is to have full time staff that monitor it. But for something people don’t pay for, that’s basically impossible.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:11:53pm

re: #22 ObserverArt

The Nazi dude has a personality disorder. A normal person would turn red from anger or shame in that situation.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:11:55pm

Prayers to Aqua Buddha of course.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:12:39pm

re: #30 Belafon

The only way to make Twitter play nice is to have full time staff that monitor it. But for something people don’t pay for, that’s basically impossible.

It’s already a money-hole propped up by foolish investors who think it’ll pay off one day.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:13:33pm

re: #29 Citizen K

When it becomes clear that Verified users get special treatment on twitter, it’s hard not to see it as a reward and an endorsement. This is yet another example of Twitter pandering to the fucking nutcases and putting the lie to any paeans toward inclusion and cracking down on abuse. The folks who run the service are blatant enablers.

Twitter is inclusive. Even the KKK and Nazis are welcome.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:14:12pm

re: #30 Belafon

The only way to make Twitter play nice is to have full time staff that monitor it. But for something people don’t pay for, that’s basically impossible.

Hell, there are steps that could at least indicate they’re taking it seriously that fall short of that, but …yeah. I don’t really have a lot of faith in their ability to do the right thing.

It’s an interesting medium. I’ve been on Twitter a long, long time*, although there was a period where I wasn’t active like I am today, and I’ve watched it change. I still find benefit in it, which is why I’m still there, but the cons are frustrating.

* The fact that my username is 4 characters should say something.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:14:26pm

re: #28 Belafon

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whitebeach  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:14:45pm

re: #28 Belafon

Yep.

I was trying to think of a way to say, have the head of the FBI appointed by Congress, or maybe remove the ability to fire certain executive positions.

Nope. “So now a nice hand for FBI director for life, Joe Arpaio.”

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Charles Johnson  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:15:46pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:17:57pm

I honestly think that if CCJ hadn’t torpedoed himself that little shit would have a blue check now too.

Can you imagine what that fucker would do with 280?

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:18:09pm

CNN) Joseph Mifsud, the academic suspected of being a link between the Trump campaign and Russian officials, was once a regular on the foreign policy circuit, attending conferences the world over.

Now, after being identified as a key figure in the US special counsel investigation into Russian influence over the 2016 US presidential election, Mifsud has gone to ground.

Last Thursday he disappeared from the private university in Rome where he teaches. Repeated attempts to reach him since have been unsuccessful, though he appears to have read some messages from CNN.

Goin’ up the country.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:18:39pm

re: #2 Joe Bacon 🌹

And Twitter still caps me at 140…

Try logging in via Mobile site.

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Citizen K  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:19:57pm

re: #39 Eclectic Cyborg

I honestly think that if CCJ hadn’t torpedoed himself that little shit would have a blue check now too.

Can you imagine what that fucker would do with 280?

I fully believe if Milo pulled the shit that caused him to lose his check just a year or so later, he would probably still have that check and Leslie Jones would be the one banned from Twitter instead.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:21:26pm

I got 280 w/ yesterday’s update.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:21:27pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:21:38pm

re: #11 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Even for your own Tweets? I have 140 when replying to 140 Tweets, but 280 when Tweeting myself. Mastodon has 500 character posts.

I’m still locked at 140 even when I logged out and logged back in!

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:22:22pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

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What? They are speaking for the Supreme White Men that Made America Great and Are Making It Great Again. And, they can’t come up with the bucks to cover a $10,500 check?

Supreme clods. What a bunch of deadbeat wankers.

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Targetpractice  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:22:45pm

Perhaps I’m missing something, but wouldn’t promoting Mastodon or other services in light of Twitter’s apparent refusal to address harassment and trolling be equivalent to the same Nazis promoting Gab for those who Twitter has banned for harassment and trolling?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:23:02pm

And God replies, “Well done, thou good and faithful servant.: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” Matthew 25:21 (KJV)

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:23:56pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

Some Russians probably looted his gold stash. It’s happened to Nazis before.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:24:55pm

re: #44 jaunte

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:24:59pm

re: #48 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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And God replies, “Well done, thou good and faithful servant.: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” Matthew 25:21 (KJV)

But hey stop playing identity politics libtards. //

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:25:10pm

re: #48 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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And God replies, “Well done, thou good and faithful servant.: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” Matthew 25:21 (KJV)

Any Christian who voted for a Democratic candidate in Virginia yesterday has paid more attention to God in a single day than you have in your entire goddamn existence, you fake.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:26:15pm

re: #52 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Any Christian who voted for a Democratic candidate in Virginia yesterday has paid more attention to God in a single day than you have in your entire goddamn existence, you fake.

Just a reminder but this man was the GOP’s Lt. Governor candidate last time. Lest he written off as a fringe kook.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:26:25pm

Twitter and Facebook are complying with Russian efforts to control dissident voices.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:26:40pm

re: #47 Targetpractice

Perhaps I’m missing something, but wouldn’t promoting Mastodon or other services in light of Twitter’s apparent refusal to address harassment and trolling be equivalent to the same Nazis promoting Gab for those who Twitter has banned for harassment and trolling?

In the sense that anti-fascists are the same as fascists, sure.

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Targetpractice  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:27:30pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

Just a reminder but this man was the GOP’s Lt. Governor candidate last time. Lest he written off as a fringe kook.

Yeah, he was the GOP’s “black friend” for that election, so they could accuse any who pointed out how fucking loopy their ticket was of being “racists.”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:27:58pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

Just a reminder but this man was the GOP’s Lt. Governor candidate last time. Lest he written off as a fringe kook.

I’m just reminded of how the GOP tries to mainstream people who believe in White American Jesus, the Prosperity Gospel, and a host of other non-Biblical bullshit that really pisses me the fuck off. And they succeed because the GOP has been the POG (Party of God) for over a generation now.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:28:05pm

It remains disheartening to see that white voters supported Gillespie. White men were 36-63 Northam vs Gillespie; white women 48-51. White women who were college graduates went strongly for Northam; but the men still supported Gillespie. Very sad.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:29:33pm

re: #57 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m just reminded of how the GOP tries to mainstream people who believe in White American Jesus, the Prosperity Gospel, and a host of other non-Biblical bullshit that really pisses me the fuck off. And they succeed because the GOP has been the POG (Party of God) for over a generation now.

The party of a white, racist god who just happens to hate the same people that their political misleaders taught them to hate.

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Targetpractice  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:29:51pm

re: #58 Hecuba’s daughter

It remains disheartening to see that white voters supported Gillespie. White men were 36-63 Northam vs Gillespie; white women 48-51. White women who were college graduates went strongly for Northam; but the men still supported Gillespie. Very sad.

He went for a Trump-style air-raid siren and it worked with white voters. If the minority vote hadn’t turned out as it did, he probably would have pulled off that slim win that the “serious” pundits expected.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:29:53pm

re: #56 Targetpractice

Yeah, he was the GOP’s “black friend” for that election, so they could accuse any who pointed out how fucking loopy their ticket was of being “racists.”

Still contend the most important election that year was Herring’s. Obenshain or whatever his name wins. He’s probably the GOP nominee yesterday. Not to mention Herring’s great work as AG. You know, no one noticed but New Jersey elected a black LG too. Pretty cool.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:29:55pm

re: #48 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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And God replies, “Well done, thou good and faithful servant.: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” Matthew 25:21 (KJV)

re: #48 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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And God replies, “Well done, thou good and faithful servant.: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” Matthew 25:21 (KJV)

E.W. Jackoff is just another right wing pulpit pimp who should be shoved off the tax free gravy train. TAX THE CHURCHES!!!!!

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Belafon  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:30:08pm

re: #47 Targetpractice

Perhaps I’m missing something, but wouldn’t promoting Mastodon or other services in light of Twitter’s apparent refusal to address harassment and trolling be equivalent to the same Nazis promoting Gab for those who Twitter has banned for harassment and trolling?

And?

It’s a way of protesting. And if enough were to leave, it would actually get Twitter’s attention.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:30:09pm

re: #59 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The party of a white, racist god who just happens to hate the same people that their political misleaders taught them to hate.

Whom, I will remind everyone in the most strenuous terms, is NOT the God that the Bible portrays. I don’t care what the fuck-all crazy preachers say.

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:30:49pm

re: #47 Targetpractice

Perhaps I’m missing something, but wouldn’t promoting Mastodon or other services in light of Twitter’s apparent refusal to address harassment and trolling be equivalent to the same Nazis promoting Gab for those who Twitter has banned for harassment and trolling?

Most of how I think and act nowadays could be considered completely equivalent to how cultists think and act. Dismissing a source of information solely based on the identity of that source, assuming hostile intent, complete rejection of their worldview, and even a desire to see these monsters suffer to some extent for their hate. It hasn’t made me a better person. So yes, essentially - trying to move off Twitter because of their behaviour would be equivalent.

The difference, I tell myself, is that I still look for and consider facts, and believe in the greatest good for the greatest number of people. Maybe that’s not enough. But it’ll have to do for now.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:30:54pm

re: #58 Hecuba’s daughter

It remains disheartening to see that white voters supported Gillespie. White men were 36-63 Northam vs Gillespie; white women 48-51. White women who were college graduates went strongly for Northam; but the men still supported Gillespie. Very sad.

Listen, I’m a white guy. It’s disappointing but white men even educated ones are never going to be a majority in our bloc. A Dem candidate for President hasn’t won a majority of white men since LBJ.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:31:10pm

re: #60 Targetpractice

He went for a Trump-style air-raid siren and it worked with white voters. If the minority vote hadn’t turned out as it did, he probably would have pulled off that slim win that the “serious” pundits expected.

Between minorities and non-racist white people, the racist scum are severely outnumbered. We just need people to vote.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:31:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:31:46pm

re: #57 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m just reminded of how the GOP tries to mainstream people who believe in White American Jesus, the Prosperity Gospel, and a host of other non-Biblical bullshit that really pisses me the fuck off. And they succeed because the GOP has been the POG (Party of God) for over a generation now.

I know. I may be Agnostic but I’d be lying to you if I said my family’s roots in Catholicism have no impact on my philosophy.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:31:57pm

re: #57 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m just reminded of how the GOP tries to mainstream people who believe in White American Jesus, the Prosperity Gospel, and a host of other non-Biblical bullshit that really pisses me the fuck off. And they succeed because the GOP has been the POG (Party of God) for over a generation now.

It is always astounding to see Ayn Rand acolytes who also claim to be Christian. If there is one thing that the GOP doesn’t follow it is the teachings of Jesus.

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Targetpractice  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:32:52pm

re: #63 Belafon

And?

It’s a way of protesting. And if enough were to leave, it would actually get Twitter’s attention.

People have been leaving for awhile now and Twitter thinks the problem was tweets being limited to 140 characters. Likewise the Nazis announcing loudly they’re moving to Gab hasn’t moved Twitter to overturn bans or promote them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:32:53pm

re: #70 Hecuba’s daughter

It is always astounding to see Ayn Rand acolytes who also claim to be Christian. If there is one thing that the GOP doesn’t follow it is the teachings of Jesus.

Ryan, Paul and Brat, Dave. But yeah lots of Ayn fans in that group. The thing is they twist her philosophy too. I don’t like what Ayn Rand stood for but she’d have a fit seeing these guys try to cherry pick her philosophy.

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Citizen K  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:33:07pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:33:27pm

re: #70 Hecuba’s daughter

It is always astounding to see Ayn Rand acolytes who also claim to be Christian. If there is one thing that the GOP doesn’t follow it is the teachings of Jesus.

But because they are anti-abortion, Christians hang their hat on them. Doesn’t matter if they follow the teachings of Jesus, if they preach the sacred embryo, apparently that’s good enough.

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:33:40pm

re: #57 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m just reminded of how the GOP tries to mainstream people who believe in White American Jesus, the Prosperity Gospel, and a host of other non-Biblical bullshit that really pisses me the fuck off. And they succeed because the GOP has been the POG (Party of God) for over a generation now.

Business has always been a religion to the GOP.

What better way to make future conservative business people? Then they can be led like the good lambs to be great management worker bees without question and tithe to the Markets.

The Faith in Money. God Bless this Check.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:33:55pm

re: #70 Hecuba’s daughter

It is always astounding to see Ayn Rand acolytes who also claim to be Christian. If there is one thing that the GOP doesn’t follow it is the teachings of Jesus.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:34:11pm

re: #73 Citizen K

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No, Senator Sanders, people aren’t happy with YOU. Or Trump, for that matter, which puts you in good company.

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Targetpractice  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:34:15pm

re: #73 Citizen K

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Did he make certain to mention the one “Democratic Socialist” elected last night, as though that’s the signal of a shift in voter beliefs rather than a rounding error?

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William Lewis  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:34:18pm

Nazis = Clicks = Money For Twiiter.

No matter Jack lying like a Trump, he’ll never ban them.

[Twitter|GOP|Nazis] delenda est.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:34:43pm

re: #60 Targetpractice

He went for a Trump-style air-raid siren and it worked with white voters. If the minority vote hadn’t turned out as it did, he probably would have pulled off that slim win that the “serious” pundits expected.

That’s why the GOP is so serious about voter disenfranchisement. That is why so many thought Romney would win in 2012 — they were counting on the white voters.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:35:19pm

re: #73 Citizen K

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You may want to look across the river there pal where a Democratic candidate got the highest percentage of the vote in 32 years and Democrats made massive gains throughout the country. I really hope him talking this way shows some of his progressive admirers within the party what a self-serving dick he is.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:35:24pm

re: #64 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Whom, I will remind everyone in the most strenuous terms, is NOT the God that the Bible portrays. I don’t care what the fuck-all crazy preachers say.

But if you take the bible literally, you have an evil god that murdered the vast majority of humanity, which is even worse than racist-god. I think we should discard the whole thing, and become an evidence-based society, but humanity isn’t ready for that.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:35:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:36:00pm

re: #78 Targetpractice

Did he make certain to mention the one “Democratic Socialist” elected last night, as though that’s the signal of a shift in voter beliefs rather than a rounding error?

No, I doubt he even mentioned him because Bernie would prefer to sell himself as a party of one. I’m really hoping people watch this and see what a petty, petty man he is.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:36:17pm

I think Matthew is my favorite book of the Bible: A straightforward, consistent and fast-paced account of Jesus’s career as He heals the sick and feeds the hungry, then goes on to annoy the Russians Romans and confront hypocritical televangelists Pharisees and ends up instigating a riot against Wall Street Temple crooks and money-changers.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:36:44pm

re: #48 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

And then God said: “How much weight can a person with a Strength of six carry assuming he has the Strong Back perk?”

/Fallout 2 reference

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:36:49pm

re: #82 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

But if you take the bible literally, you have an evil god that murdered the vast majority of humanity, which is even worse than racist-god. I think we should discard the whole thing, and become an evidence-based society, but humanity isn’t ready for that.

I understand your point of view and the Old Testament poses particular problems for those who preach a moral and upright God. It’s not an easy topic to discuss, because the text as read pretty much speaks for itself.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:36:52pm

re: #73 Citizen K

What anger issues?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:37:06pm

It amazes me that my Bernie admiring friends can be happy with the results and continue to think we should have nominated him or even that he should be nominated in 2020. He’s a selfish dick.

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William Lewis  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:37:12pm

re: #48 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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And God replies, “Well done, thou good and faithful servant.: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.” Matthew 25:21 (KJV)

Ding ding ding, we have a winner here!

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Belafon  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:38:09pm

re: #73 Citizen K

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ObserverArt  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:38:12pm

re: #73 Citizen K

om Watson ✔@tomwatson
“People are not happy with Democrats.”
- Senator Sanders, just now on CNN#DemsInDisarray
8:33 PM - Nov 8, 2017

Shut up Bernie you old goat. Now you’re just being obstinate and you are not helping…even yourself. Please, go away.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:38:18pm

re: #83 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I hadn’t heard about that case before.

“…While conducting research on this paper, I discovered that Mars actively lobbied the US government to have confections with interior toys banned any time a similar product comes on the market. For instance, in 1997, when Nestlé tried to introduce (the similar) Magic chocolate balls in the US, Mars was instrumental in promoting civil action to prevent the marketing of this product.

And believe me, getting caught trying to ‘smuggle’ Kinder eggs into the US is not much fun. We had friends travelling into the US from Canada who packed 10 Kinder eggs in their luggage for their children (all over the age of five) for Easter. Customs and Border Protection not only confiscated the Kinder eggs, but also fined the family $1,200 [£787] per egg, or $12,000 [£7,870] total.”
independent.co.uk

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:39:31pm

re: #85 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I think Matthew is my favorite book of the Bible: A straightforward, consistent and fast-paced account of Jesus’s career as He heals the sick and feeds the hungry, then goes on to annoy the Russians Romans and confront hypocritical televangelists Pharisees and ends up instigating a riot against Wall Street Temple crooks and money-changers.

Christians always suggest that people start reading the Bible with the book of John, but they’re looking at it from a Christian point of view, where John writes some of the most poetic and deep imagery of the Good News. Non-Christians won’t understand most of the metaphors. It’d be far easier to start with Matthew or Luke to present just the facts, and dive into the heavy theology as a person becomes familiar with the subject matter.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:42:23pm

I’m not sure if Sanders is a ratfucker, this ignorant, or something else all together. Either way, Bernie, you really are an asshole. To think, I had some respect for you at some point. I may have thought you were too idealistic but at least I thought your heart was in the right place. Now it would appear your heart and head are up your ass.

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MsJ  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:43:05pm

Gah! Fuck you Bernie. Sideways with a goddamn shovel.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:45:07pm

re: #96 MsJ

Gah! Fuck you Bernie. Sideways with a goddamn shovel.

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I now have your opinion on Sanders. It took me a long time but fuck him completely.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:45:16pm

re: #78 Targetpractice

Did he make certain to mention the one “Democratic Socialist” elected last night, as though that’s the signal of a shift in voter beliefs rather than a rounding error?

More than a dozen Democratic Socialists (not in airquotes) were elected last night. The one in Virginia who knocked off the GOP House of Delegates Whip was the highest profile election.

mashable.com

Fifteen were elected last night, in addition to the twenty who hold various offices (including me).

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Aussie Apocalypse  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:45:55pm

re: #73 Citizen K

Hey Sandy, those people who are unhappy are called Republicans! Maybe you should get over being a loser!!!

Pro-tip for Sanders, Some people will never be happy with certain people. My suggestion to Bernard is, to quote “Frozen”, “let it go!”

(For the record: I have never seen “Frozen”, I will never have the desire to watch it, but I know the reference.)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:46:46pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

I now have your opinion on Sanders. It took me a long time but fuck him completely.

Me too. I was on the fence about him at the time of the primaries. Once he decided to go full douchecanoe after Hillary beat him fair and square, I didn’t like him, but I did still agree with some of his ideas. I still do, but I’ve come all the way around to, “Go fuck a goat, you old blowhard, and leave politics to the people who want to do some actual goddamn good.”

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Aussie Apocalypse  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:48:09pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

Bernie is all about Bernie, kinda like trump is all about trump(’s) (and/or) money.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:49:19pm

re: #100 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Me too. I was on the fence about him at the time of the primaries. Once he decided to go full douchecanoe after Hillary beat him fair and square, I didn’t like him, but I did still agree with some of his ideas. I still do, but I’ve come all the way around to, “Go fuck a goat, you old blowhard, and leave politics to the people who want to do some actual goddamn good.”

Well, I don’t know if I would wish that on a poor goat, but I felt the same way. I was fired up about Sen. Sanders during the caucuses here, but as the primaries wore on, I decided that Sanders was not the right choice and went in for Hillary Clinton.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:49:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:49:35pm

re: #100 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Me too. I was on the fence about him at the time of the primaries. Once he decided to go full douchecanoe after Hillary beat him fair and square, I didn’t like him, but I did still agree with some of his ideas. I still do, but I’ve come all the way around to, “Go fuck a goat, you old blowhard, and leave politics to the people who want to do some actual goddamn good.”

Yep, that’s where I am now. I can’t stand the man. I want the Democratic Party to play some serious hardball with him if he tries this again in 2020. It sucks for the college kids that looked up to him but they’re going to have to find out the hard way that Santa Claus isn’t real (That Bernie Sanders is in many ways a left wing version of Trump not just in that he’s got no real plan but that he’s a condescending jerk who thinks he can do everything by his lonesome.)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:49:46pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:50:08pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

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Link him to the Thoughts and Prayers game that someone here linked in the thread.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:50:41pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Yep, that’s where I am now. I can’t stand the man. I want the Democratic Party to play some serious hardball with him if he tries this again in 2020. It sucks for the college kids that looked up to him but they’re going to have to find out the hard way that Santa Claus isn’t real (That Bernie Sanders is in many ways a left wing version of Trump not just in that he’s got no real plan but that he’s a condescending jerk who thinks he can do everything by his lonesome.)

Bernie is not White American Jesus, no matter how much the purity unicorns want him to be.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:51:05pm

re: #102 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I don’t know if I would wish that on a poor goat, but I felt the same way. I was fired up about Sen. Sanders during the caucuses here, but as the primaries wore on, I decided that Sanders was not the right choice and went in for Hillary Clinton.

We could use more people like you out there AM. I mean I don’t begrudge someone like yourself who supported him. You thought the party should move to the left and he did raise some legitimate issues but as we’ve gotten at and i know you agree, he’s really proven himself ot be a disappointment. It just amazes me how a lot of my lefty friends who still adore him can be happy at the results of last night and still not see that he’s the problem not the soluton for the party and left.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:51:50pm

re: #105 Joe Bacon 🌹

I don’t know what the Vermont electoral situation is now, but I think it’s time to retire Senator Sanders, perhaps with a Democratic candidate.

The only problem is the ol’ “splitting the left vote” problem (the same thing that got Maine Paul LePage).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:52:05pm

re: #107 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Bernie is not White American Jesus, no matter how much the purity unicorns want him to be.

He’s also not the only person that speaks for the working class either. There are plenty of left leaning politicians who come from more modest backgrounds and who live more modestly and who champion the entire working class not just a WWC pony like Sanders does.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:53:16pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

Paul Ryan: Praying is the right thing to do after mass shootings because it “works

Someone needs to press him on camera, “How does it work, and for whom.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:53:25pm

re: #109 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t know what the Vermont electoral situation is now, but I think it’s time to retire Senator Sanders, perhaps with a Democratic candidate.

The only problem is the ol’ “splitting the left vote” problem (the same thing that got Maine Paul LePage).

That would be my only objection to running a Democrat against him and Vermonters do like him. It’s tough. It’d be easier if we had a strong majority in the Senate and the oval office. I don’t want to think about how he’d screw over Clinton if she were President right now. He’d probably hold out on a crucial vote because ti wasn’t good enough.

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Kilroy was here  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:54:10pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:54:14pm

re: #111 Aussie Apocalypse

Someone needs to press him on camera, “How does it work, and for whom.”

It works for the people who feel guilty for not doing anything else. Especially those who have the power to reduce or eliminate this problem, and still choose to do nothing because they favor personal power over American lives.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:55:39pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

We could use more people like you out there AM. I mean I don’t begrudge someone like yourself who supported him. You thought the party should move to the left and he did raise some legitimate issues but as we’ve gotten at and i know you agree, he’s really proven himself ot be a disappointment. It just amazes me how a lot of my lefty friends who still adore him can be happy at the results of last night and still not see that he’s the problem not the soluton for the party and left.

Thanks for the complement. He did prove to be a disappointment. As it turns out, some good ideas do not a good candidate make.

That said, the Democratic Party incorporated a bunch of his ideas in its platform. I was further disappointed that Sen. Sanders only gave tepid support to Mrs. Clinton when the primaries were over.

That said, a lot of what Bernie Sanders ran on is similar to what Hillary Clinton supported in various ways throughout her career as well.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:56:31pm

I do wish Hillary had asked Bernie why Steve King praised his immigration record or why he not only voted for but co-sponsored one of the omst environmentally racist legislation in history and why he thought it was okay to dismiss PP as “establishment” when Republicans have been likening PP to Dr. Mengele and they needed the support of left leaning politicians.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:57:35pm

re: #115 Anymouse 🌹

Thanks for the complement. He did prove to be a disappointment. As it turns out, some good ideas do not a good candidate make.

That said, the Democratic Party incorporated a bunch of his ideas in its platform. I was further disappointed that Sen. Sanders only gave tepid support to Mrs. Clinton when the primaries were over.

That said, a lot of what Bernie Sanders ran on is similar to what Hillary Clinton supported in various ways throughout her career as well.

Exactly. He’s not as lefty as he thinks he is and she’s not the sell out he thinks she is. In fact, I’d say even if she is more moderate than he is, she’s done more for progressivism. SCHIP alone is a huge accomplishment and why the little lady in my avatar has health insurance.

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electrotek  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:57:47pm
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MsJ  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:58:22pm
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William Lewis  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:58:48pm

re: #94 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Christians always suggest that people start reading the Bible with the book of John, but they’re looking at it from a Christian point of view, where John writes some of the most poetic and deep imagery of the Good News. Non-Christians won’t understand most of the metaphors. It’d be far easier to start with Matthew or Luke to present just the facts, and dive into the heavy theology as a person becomes familiar with the subject matter.

Matthew is also good because it has a good strong streak of Jesus Jewish side and it’s very practical religious teachings on how to live - what to do: care for the sick, feed the hungry, visit the prisoner, welcome the stranger, cloth the naked, treat everyone else like you want to be treated. Teaching that it’s what we do for the world that is the true worship of god, not what we do for pie in the sky bye & bye. The golden rule tells us to live in a universe that says it is right to do good things for other people without any expectation of reward. Give, don’t lend. Live for helping today & forget the fantasy of heaven.

Grace = empathy = grace.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 6:59:01pm

re: #118 electrotek

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LOL. What a dumbass.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:01:12pm

re: #119 MsJ

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If we take back Congress, we’re going to do it without the help of a certain Vermont jerk. He’s going to find himself should he run in 2020 with few allies because people will remember that when we were at our most down, Sanders couldn’t even bother to endorse candidates that weren’t good enough for his standards.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:02:33pm

re: #118 electrotek

What are the odds “Farshad” is not in Tehran, but much farther north?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:03:09pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

I do wish Hillary had asked Bernie why Steve King praised his immigration record or why he not only voted for but co-sponsored one of the omst environmentally racist legislation in history and why he thought it was okay to dismiss PP as “establishment” when Republicans have been likening PP to Dr. Mengele and they needed the support of left leaning politicians.

The Planned Parenthood remark really got me. Whatever good will I had left for Sen. Sanders evaporated at that moment.

As for the waste dump proposed in Texas he supported, I did not learn about that until long afterwards, from a commentator here.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:05:00pm

A real, genuine email I just received through our contact form.

Hi Little Green Football
I am writing about an adorable pro-Trump Children’s book that is perfect
for the holidays. Please do not publish this message. I am writing with
a professional inquiry.

Whether you want to share the story of Trump’s amazing election with
your children or grandchildren, or you just want a callback to your own
childhood, THUMP: The First Bundred Days is the perfect retelling of the
unforgettable race of 2016.

The book, written by Timothy Lim, Mark Pellegrini, and Brett R. Smith,
is anchored by funny poems and gorgeous artwork. The story of Trump’s
election is brilliantly retold for toddlers and the young at heart as
the story of Thump, a bunny that beats the odds to become President!

The book is already generating great feedback and amazing social media
reach. Just last weekend, Jack Posobiec read the book live, and tweeted
it out to his near-quarter million followers. Renowned Dilbert creator
Scott Adams exclaims, “Everything about this makes me laugh.” Thump
currently ranks in the top 20 political humor books on Amazon, and is #7
in parody.

Won’t you Hop on the Thump Campaign Trail with us?
Please let me know your thoughts on running a piece about the book, or
interviewing its authors!

Argh.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:05:14pm

re: #124 Anymouse 🌹

The Planned Parenthood remark really got me. Whatever good will I had left for Sen. Sanders evaporated at that moment.

As for the waste dump proposed in Texas he supported, I did not learn about that until long afterwards, from a commentator here.

I didn’t learn about how bad his record on immigration was until I read Rep Luis Guitterez’s Telemundo article.

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danarchy  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:05:15pm

re: #105 Joe Bacon 🌹

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To be fair, the democrats have a favorability rating somewhere in the thirties. Just because people hate republicans more doesn’t mean they are happy with democrats.

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Targetpractice  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:05:50pm

re: #119 MsJ

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Republicans waking up to the reality that Fox News telling them that being “anti-Trump” won’t win the day was bullshit from the start.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:06:07pm

re: #118 electrotek

What? That meme doesn’t even make any sense: The flag is offensive to Muslims.

I guess that’s why Humayan Khan died in the service of his country, along with many other Muslims in every conflict all the way back to the Revolutionary War.

It’s as almost as if the person who made that meme does not know American history - I guess that means either a Trump voter or a Russian.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:06:15pm

re: #118 electrotek

This person is an idiot.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:06:18pm

Sorry, but when you send a pile of garbage like this to me, I don’t consider myself bound not to publish it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:07:12pm

re: #127 danarchy

To be fair, the democrats have a favorability rating somewhere in the thirties. Just because people hate republicans more doesn’t mean they are happy with democrats.

That’s certainly true but Sanders isn’t helping by being negative Nelly after a great day for Democrats.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:08:03pm

re: #130 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Seems that way. Didn’t realize Looper was part of O’Keefe’s crew. Jeez, she would have been only a teenager when he did his stupid pimp cosplay.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:08:13pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

A real, genuine email I just received through our contact form.

Argh.

Note that “Children’s” is capitalized.

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electrotek  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:08:18pm

re: #123 jaunte

What are the odds “Farshad” is not in Tehran, but much farther north?

Or further out west, in ‘Tehrangeles’?

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:08:27pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

“…Mark Pellegrini is a creative consultant and writer for NINJAINK, LLC and his collaborations with Timothy Lim have been published by IDW and UDON studios. As a freelance featured writer, his articles and creative works have been published by such websites as Adventures in Poor Taste, Comics Alliance, Ain’t it Cool News, and io9. You can find more of his writing at TMNT Eternity.”
amazon.com

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Aussie Apocalypse  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:09:06pm

re: #114 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I know he doesn’t actually gives a shit, I just want to see it (at this point , Ryan isn’t a Man, nor a Mouse, more like an single celled amoeba - lacking a spine of any sort) try and explain what it means.

It maybe a bit too much for an Aspie (I have an Autistic Spectrum Disorder diagnosis, so I think I can write that and get away with it with due respect to others that are similarly aren’t neurotypical) foreigner to understand, but when John Howard thought enough was enough, Ryan must be pretty Goddamn stupid.

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MsJ  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:09:12pm

This is why there’s fuckers are dangerous. They are true believers in complete nonsense.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:09:25pm

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹

What? That meme doesn’t even make any sense: The flag is offensive to Muslims.

I guess that’s why Humayan Khan died in the service of his country, along with many other Muslims in every conflict all the way back to the Revolutionary War.

It’s as almost as if the person who made that meme does not know American history - I guess that means either a Trump voter or a Russian.

It’s what they do AM. They love painting us as people who hate this country.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:10:46pm

re: #138 MsJ

This is why there’s fuckers are dangerous. They are true believers in complete nonsense.

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He can join teh ranks of the GOP unemployed next year then. Mueller’s here to stay.

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gwangung  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:11:35pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

That’s certainly true but Sanders isn’t helping by being negative Nelly after a great day for Democrats.

Makes him seem…out of touch.

Even at this date, I think he’d be more winning more friends by pointing out methods and techniques the Dem party needs to use. And it would help if he helped elect a few winners. Nagging all the time is not going to win him friends in the party he’d want to win the nomination of; all he’s managing to do is to tear down infrastructure he’s going to need to run (and, frankly, his last campaign showed he can’t build an effective campaigning infrastructure).

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:11:40pm

re: #124 Anymouse 🌹

The Planned Parenthood remark really got me. Whatever good will I had left for Sen. Sanders evaporated at that moment.

As for the waste dump proposed in Texas he supported, I did not learn about that until long afterwards, from a commentator here.

I still say it’s possible that Bernie was recruited by the Russians back when he honeymooned in Russia.

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electrotek  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:12:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:13:08pm

re: #143 electrotek

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Christianity is the religion of love? May want to talk to my Irish Catholic relatives that starved during the Potato Famine about that. Or the LGBT people who have been murdered in Africa.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:13:45pm

Well that was an unexpected downding in my #1.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:14:11pm

re: #141 gwangung

Makes him seem…out of touch.

Even at this date, I think he’d be more winning more friends by pointing out methods and techniques the Dem party needs to use. And it would help if he helped elect a few winners. Nagging all the time is not going to win him friends in the party he’d want to win the nomination of; all he’s managing to do is to tear down infrastructure he’s going to need to run (and, frankly, his last campaign showed he can’t build an effective campaigning infrastructure).

He has no idea how to build influence. I’ve been comparing what Bernie did after losing to HRC to what Northam’s primary opponent did.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:14:39pm

re: #145 Unshaken Defiance

Well that was an unexpected downding in my #1.

Maybe an accident? Have a free upding.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:14:57pm

re: #145 Unshaken Defiance

The handle of the negative Nelly isn’t familiar to me.

P.S. Up-ding for the hell of it!!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:15:10pm

re: #142 Hecuba’s daughter

I still say it’s possible that Bernie was recruited by the Russians back when he honeymooned in Russia.

I can’t say for sure. Sander’s honeymoon in the Soviet Union was an awful long time ago. At the time he was a little-known radical in Vermont.

Plus, hashtag NotAllRussians. My sister-in-law (married to my wife’s brother) abandoned Russia after working for the Soviet state. (She voted for Clinton.)

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MsJ  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:15:36pm

re: #142 Hecuba’s daughter

I still say it’s possible that Bernie was recruited by the Russians back when he honeymooned in Russia.

I agree. There’s some serious long game shit going on here. Starting with Fox and Murdoch’s connections to Russia, his influence on Brexit and extreme desire to buy BskyB (biggest news in Europe). He’s a one man wrecking ball aimed at the West.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:16:02pm

Currently has 20 glowing reviews on Amazon.

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William Lewis  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:16:23pm

re: #143 electrotek

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I can find historical records of evil performed by those of every religion and no religion. That reality implies nothing about either religion or the lack of it.

It does imply lots about the lack of coherent thought on the part of the poster.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:16:52pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

Thanks, heh at nine years in around here one more or less hardly matters. But it’s a puzzler or a mouse misfire.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:17:23pm

re: #145 Unshaken Defiance

Well that was an unexpected downding in my #1.

Perhaps it was accidental? Clicked on the wrong radio button perhaps?

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whitebeach  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:17:26pm

re: #85 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I think Matthew is my favorite book of the Bible: A straightforward, consistent and fast-paced account of Jesus’s career as He heals the sick and feeds the hungry, then goes on to annoy the Russians Romans and confront hypocritical televangelists Pharisees and ends up instigating a riot against Wall Street Temple crooks and money-changers.

“Matthew” also describes a whole bunch of corpses hopping out of their graves and partying around downtown Jerusalem. Why any sane adult would believe a word “Matthew” says is a mystery.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:17:33pm

re: #149 Anymouse 🌹

I can’t say for sure. Sander’s honeymoon in the Soviet Union was an awful long time ago. At the time he was a little-known radical in Vermont.

Plus, hashtag NotAllRussians. My sister-in-law (married to my wife’s brother) abandoned Russia after working for the Soviet state. (She voted for Clinton.)

Not that I agree but he had the honeymoon in 1988 when he was Montpeiiler’s mayor. Two years later, he ran for Congress. I think the simplest explanation works here though. The guy is just a dick. Now OTOH, his campaign manager, Davine, I wonder about that guy. And yeah I hear you about Russians. My mom’s cousin adopted a few Russian kids. They live in Pa and I’ve only actually met one of them so I don’t see them ever but I do enjoy the treats that my one cousin makes every holiday season.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:18:07pm

re: #151 Eclectic Cyborg

No reviews yet at “Bulk Bookstore”
bulkbookstore.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:18:22pm

re: #153 Unshaken Defiance

Thanks, heh at nine years in around here one more or less hardly matters. But it’s a puzzler or a mouse misfire.

Yeah I’m sure it was harmless. Stil lfelt like being generous. I’m having a good day.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:18:41pm
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William Lewis  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:19:25pm

re: #145 Unshaken Defiance

Well that was an unexpected downding in my #1.

smells like a phone ding. I’ve done that often enough by mistake.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:19:45pm

re: #153 Unshaken Defiance

It is hard to say, Large phones, Small hands. OR have had a Booze heavy Lunch/Dinner.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:19:57pm

re: #154 Anymouse

That happens especially on my own Samsung edge.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:20:01pm

re: #149 Anymouse 🌹

I can’t say for sure. Sander’s honeymoon in the Soviet Union was an awful long time ago. At the time he was a little-known radical in Vermont.

Plus, hashtag NotAllRussians. My sister-in-law (married to my wife’s brother) abandoned Russia after working for the Soviet state. (She voted for Clinton.)

Your SIL was raised in Russia and knew what it was really like. Bernie honeymooned there when he was young and naive; he never lived there; and he had socialist leanings — a perfect candidate for recruitment. The Russians play the long game — he could have been a sleeper agent waiting to be activated if he reached the right level of prominence.

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petesh  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:21:26pm

Bernie’s an egocentric old fart. I don’t think we need conspiracies to account for his rambling foolishness. I’m quite prepared to say he began running for the valid reason that he wanted the Democratic Party to move left (me too), but it’s totally obvious that (a) he was never really a viable national candidate, not just for political reasons but because of his ignorance on many important issues, including ignorance of their importance; and (b) his relative success went straight to his head and exploded it. Admittedly Trump fits both (a) and (b) but Trump did bring a sort of experience as con-man, which Bernie struggles to match.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:21:34pm

I wonder more about Stein than I do Sanders having a Russian hand up her rear.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:22:24pm

re: #164 petesh

Bernie’s an egocentric old fart. I don’t think we need conspiracies to account for his rambling foolishness. I’m quite prepared to say he began running for the valid reason that he wanted the Democratic Party to move left (me too), but it’s totally obvious that (a) he was never really a viable national candidate, not just for political reasons but because of his ignorance on many important issues, including ignorance of their importance; and (b) his relative success went straight to his head and exploded it. Admittedly Trump fits both (a) and (b) but Trump did bring a sort of experience as con-man, which Bernie struggles to match.

That’s my conclusion as well at his point.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:22:42pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

All they needed in both Stein and Sanders’ cases was to stroke their egos.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:22:51pm

re: #138 MsJ

This is why there’s fuckers are dangerous. They are true believers in complete nonsense.

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I fear that these evil bastards are closer to instigating a genocidal pogrom than even they realize. Their bullshit flows freely through their fundy church and MLM business networks and these serve as a powerful and pervasive de facto organizing structure. Add this to the insanity of sovereign sheriffs and like minded idiot officials, and you could have a massive outbreak that would catch even the RWNJ leadership by surprise. People like Governor Abbott would be horrified, but it would the horror of Frankenstein watching his creation run amok.
Muslim Americans are already denied their legal right to arm themselves for their own defense. Oh, sure, it’s still legal but just imagine what would ensue if hundreds of armed Muslims showed up to demonstrate outside a fundy hate church or if they even appeared with weapons at their own houses of worship. RWNJs and yokel law enforcement would attack at once then demand that Trump send tanks and A-10s to finish off the “ISIS uprising.” He might do it.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:23:04pm

re: #162 Unshaken Defiance

The way I grip my phone, based on the short time I had a GALAXY Note 7 (It was a great phone, not worth the risk of an exploding battery though) is reason I went with the non-edged Samsung GALAXY S7.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:23:07pm

re: #167 jaunte

All they needed in both Stein and Sanders’ cases was to stroke their egos.

Which is where the bots come in.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:24:36pm

One thing’s for sure. This would make a hell of a movie. Gotta get Meryl to play HRC.

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petesh  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:24:39pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

I wonder more about Stein than I do Sanders having a Russian hand up her rear.

I never really paid much attention to her. She just seemed cuckoo. But I am quite sure the Russians tried to boost her chances from none to slim.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:25:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:25:46pm

re: #172 petesh

I never really paid much attention to her. She just seemed cuckoo. But I am quite sure the Russians tried to boost her chances from none to slim.

For me, it was how she responded to Brexit nad the photo of her and Flynn together in Moscow. Not sure though. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the ebst one.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:26:01pm

re: #139 HappyWarrior

It’s what they do AM. They love painting us as people who hate this country.

I had the opportunity to work with a Muslim when I was in the Navy. He was a child refugee from the Golan Heights after the 1967 Arab-Israeli War. He and I had nothing but mutual respect for each other (we worked on the same equipment). Moreover, unlike the evangelical Christians, he didn’t try to proselytise on the job (or anywhere else).

When we pulled into ports where Arabic was the principal language, he would volunteer himself to the Captain’s office to help with official translations and such. The rest of the time he was an aviation radio and radar technician.

I do miss that I lost touch with him after I left the Navy.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:26:13pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:27:31pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:28:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:29:12pm

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹

I had the opportunity to work with a Muslim when I was in the Navy. He was a child refugee from the Golan Heights after the 1967 Arab-Israeli War. He and I had nothing but mutual respect for each other (we worked on the same equipment). Moreover, unlike the evangelical Christians, he didn’t try to proselytise on the job (or anywhere else).

When we pulled into ports where Arabic was the principal language, he would volunteer himself to the Captain’s office to help with official translations and such. The rest of the time he was a aviation radio and radar technician.

I do miss that I lost touch with him after I left the Navy.

Do you remember his name? Maybe look him up I’m sure he’d love to hear from you after all these years.. I’ve looked at a photo of my grandpa and an Army buddy. And my brothers always wondered what happened to the guy but all there was a surname and the state he was from. No first name, no nothing. Grandpa sometimes talked about taking a trip out west to see some of the guys he served with. He served with a lot of LDS guys. Like you and your comrade, they were very different, Grandpa being a Roman Catholic son of Slovene immigrants in Johnstown, Pa and they being tee-tottling Mormons from out West. He never did it. My great uncle though, my grandma’s brother loved his reunions and went to them until he got sick. If he hadn’t died when I was so young, I would have loved to learn more about his expereinces in WWII.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:30:33pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

I wonder more about Stein than I do Sanders having a Russian hand up her rear.

She’s been awfully quiet lately … she was at that RT dinner with Flynn and Putin … perhaps the nice folks from Robert Mueller’s office are talking to her?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:30:45pm

re: #178 FormerDirtDart

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:30:58pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

For me, it was how she responded to Brexit nad the photo of her and Flynn together in Moscow. Not sure though. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the ebst one.

Simplest may be best — but certainly Stein’s behavior is suspicious.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:31:31pm

re: #180 Anymouse 🌹

She’s been awfully quiet lately … she was at that RT dinner with Flynn and Putin … perhaps the nice folks from Robert Mueller’s office are talking to her?

Yeah she has been. No attempts to try to shit on Northam and Murphy in VA and NJ. Nor an attempt to go along with Brazile’s latest too.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:31:40pm

re: #167 jaunte

Stein gives a really Bad name to the GREEN PARTY*(ies).

*If I remember correctly, In the recent UK general election, the Green Party there stated that it was better to vote for Corbyn (the current, then during the election, and still is Labour leader) then them to get the best result^.

^Given that Theresa May LOST seats, the best result for the Tories would have been to not call an early election!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:31:55pm

re: #182 Hecuba’s daughter

Simplest may be best — but certainly Stein’s behavior is suspicious.

Right. AM makes a good point about her being fairly quiet lately too.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:32:42pm

re: #184 Aussie Apocalypse

Stein gives a really Bad name to the GREEN PARTY*(ies).

*If I remember correctly, In the recent UK general election, the Green Party there stated that it was better to vote for Corbyn (the current, then during the election, and still is Labour leader) then them to get the best result^.

^Given that Theresa May LOST seats, the best result for the Tories would have been to not call an early election!

The Green Party of the UK voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU. Jill didn’t get that message since she was sounding more like Nigel Farrage than any British lefty.

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:33:21pm
“I think we can solve almost all of them and maybe all of them,” Trump says of the world’s problems, at meeting with China’s Xi Jinping.

JFC, what a gullible buffoon.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:33:30pm

I know there are European lefty euro-skeptics but the British Green Party were strongly supportive of staying in the EU. I’m not sure if the British Greens work with the American Greens but I found that interesting.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:33:39pm

re: #178 FormerDirtDart

The whole extended family is corrupt.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:33:49pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

Do you remember his name? Maybe look him up I’m sure he’d love to hear from you after all these years.. I’ve looked at a photo of my grandpa and an Army buddy. And my brothers always wondered what happened to the guy but all there was a surname and the state he was from. No first name, no nothing. Grandpa sometimes talked about taking a trip out west to see some of the guys he served with. He served with a lot of LDS guys. Like you and your comrade, they were very different, Grandpa being a Roman Catholic son of Slovene immigrants in Johnstown, Pa and they being tee-tottling Mormons from out West. He never did it. My great uncle though, my grandma’s brother loved his reunions and went to them until he got sick. If he hadn’t died when I was so young, I would have loved to learn more about his expereinces in WWII.

His name behind the privacy bar.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:35:06pm

re: #190 Anymouse 🌹

His name behind the privacy bar.

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whitebeach  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:35:23pm

re: #173 Charles Johnson

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Damn, this takes “All of ‘em, Katie” to a whole new level.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:36:03pm

re: #189 jaunte

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The whole extended family is corrupt.

With the exception of Mad Dog, the whole administration is corrupt, the entire cabinet, not just the family

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:36:52pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Right. AM makes a good point about her being fairly quiet lately too.

Maybe Mueller’s team paid her a visit.

Edited: OOPs - Just saw AM’s comment.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:38:10pm

re: #191 HappyWarrior

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Aussie Apocalypse  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:39:00pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

Corbyn wasn’t 100% in staying in the EU at the time of the referendum, He may have changed his mind when he saw the overwhelming evidence the UK was dealing with it would not go in their favour.

Still, the idea of Enviro-Fascism is still a punch to the back of the head.

Fascism: Not now, not ever, in any guise or position.

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Mattand  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:39:03pm

re: #85 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I think Matthew is my favorite book of the Bible: A straightforward, consistent and fast-paced account of Jesus’s career as He heals the sick and feeds the hungry, then goes on to annoy the Russians Romans and confront hypocritical televangelists Pharisees and ends up instigating a riot against Wall Street Temple crooks and money-changers.

I’m partial to Numbers 22 and 23: it features a talking donkey and no one bats a frigging eyelash that a donkey just starts talking out of nowhere.

For extra fun, imagine the donkey with Eddie Murphy’s voice, a la Shrek.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:41:55pm

re: #195 Anymouse 🌹

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:42:15pm

re: #194 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe Mueller’s team paid her a visit.

It’s possible.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:44:28pm

Not a verse but a prayer. I always liked the prayer of St. Francis.

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Mattand  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:48:11pm

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹

I had the opportunity to work with a Muslim when I was in the Navy. He was a child refugee from the Golan Heights after the 1967 Arab-Israeli War. He and I had nothing but mutual respect for each other (we worked on the same equipment). Moreover, unlike the evangelical Christians, he didn’t try to proselytise on the job (or anywhere else).

When we pulled into ports where Arabic was the principal language, he would volunteer himself to the Captain’s office to help with official translations and such. The rest of the time he was a aviation radio and radar technician.

I do miss that I lost touch with him after I left the Navy.

It’s stories like this that just reinforce my disgust with people Bill Maher and Sam Harris, and disappointment with people like Bob Cesca who support the whole “I’m not saying Muslims are prone to terrorism, BUT…”

Here’s a guy who served his country, is as American as any blue-eyed, blonde haired Christian, but people like the above will never view them as anything but a potential terrorist, because they practice the “wrong” religion.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:48:42pm

re: #194 Hecuba’s daughter

There is something about Stein that doesn’t sit well with me. If she had been a vocal advocate of Gay rights or Transgender protections, then it might be easier to sense a lack of conflict/Malice, not with her. Add in the photo with her, Putin and if I remember correctly, Flynn, Questions are going to be asked.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:50:11pm

re: #201 Mattand

It’s stories like this that just reinforce my disgust with people Bill Maher and Sam Harris, and disappointment with people like Bob Cesca who support the whole “I’m not saying Muslims are prone to terrorism, BUT…”

Here’s a guy who served his country, is as American as any blue-eyed, blonde haired Christian, but people like the above will never view them as anything but a potential terrorist, because they practice the “wrong” religion.

Absolutely and Maher hides behind the whole “not P.C.” bull.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:51:40pm

OT: I got my invitation today in the mail to the public school for their annual Veterans Day luncheon and programme on Friday. (Veterans and their families from the Nebraska Panhandle, Colorado, and Wyoming attend the event; government officials and the public are also invited.)

The school throws a luncheon for active duty, reservists, the National Guard, veterans, and their families. The elementary and high school sections of the school put on patriotic performances.

It was when I attended the luncheon for the first time (in 2013) that the state government sent an official to award my family its Gold Star Family pins (forty-five years late) after a question I’d posed some months before on Yahoo Answers trickled through a sergeant posted in Texas to my state government.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:52:24pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:53:26pm

re: #197 Mattand

I’m partial to Numbers 22 and 23: it features a talking donkey and no one bats a frigging eyelash that a donkey just starts talking out of nowhere.

For extra fun, imagine the donkey with Eddie Murphy’s voice, a la Shrek.

Unicorns are mentioned in several places in the Bible. What gets me is not so much that the Bible has unicorns in it, but Answers in Genesis takes the stories with them literally, as in there was in fact an actual animal known as a unicorn and not some myth or story.

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Mattand  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:54:13pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

Absolutely and Maher hides behind the whole “not P.C.” bull.

My teeth just grind when I hear people whining about how “political correctness” is stifling free speech. You hear a lot of that on Chris Hardwick’s or Mark Maron’s podcasts whenever they interview stand ups.

It’s such bullshit. 99% of it is white guys bitching that groups they’ve been able to shit on with impunity for decades are now pushing back. Just fucking call it “I want to be free from criticism” and be done with it.

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whitebeach  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:54:25pm

re: #197 Mattand

I’m partial to Numbers 22 and 23: it features a talking donkey and no one bats a frigging eyelash that a donkey just starts talking out of nowhere.

For extra fun, imagine the donkey with Eddie Murphy’s voice, a la Shrek.

Going back to Matthew for a second, once I got old enough to start actually learning and thinking, damned if I could see what was so wrong with the money changers at the temple. Jerusalem was an international city with travelers arriving from all over the Mediterranean world and even beyond. They carried currencies of probably three dozen kinds, and maybe only three were negotiable locally. Changing money was a necessary and important service, and the temple was the logical place to do it. It was central and convenient, everybody knew where it was, and the seat of civil government, the Roman governor’s palace, wasn’t likely to be opened up to this kind of exchange. What was the big deal?

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Mattand  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:55:54pm

re: #208 whitebeach

Going back to Matthew for a second, once I got old enough to start actually learning and thinking, damned if I could see what was so wrong with the money changers at the temple. Jerusalem was an international city with travelers arriving from all over the Mediterranean world and even beyond. They carried currencies of probably three dozen kinds, and maybe only three were negotiable locally. Changing money was a necessary and important service, and the temple was the logical place to do it. It was central and convenient, everybody knew where it was, and the seat of civil government, the Roman governor’s palace, wasn’t likely to be opened up to this kind of exchange. What was the big deal?

We should ask Joel Olsteen.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:56:11pm

re: #207 Mattand

My teeth just grind when I hear people whining about how “political correctness” is stifling free speech. You hear a lot of that on Chris Hardwick’s or Mark Maron’s podcasts whenever they interview stand ups.

It’s such bullshit. 99% of it is white guys bitching that groups they’ve been able to shit on with impunity for decades are now pushing back. Just fucking call it “I want to be free from criticism” and be done with it.

Absolutely. Agreed.

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:56:19pm

re: #205 Charles Johnson

He can just dump this world for a younger, hotter one.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:57:18pm

re: #207 Mattand

My teeth just grind when I hear people whining about how “political correctness” is stifling free speech. You hear a lot of that on Chris Hardwick’s or Mark Maron’s podcasts whenever they interview stand ups.

It’s such bullshit. 99% of it is white guys bitching that groups they’ve been able to shit on with impunity for decades are now pushing back. Just fucking call it “I want to be free from criticism” and be done with it.

Political Correctness: On the left, being polite. On the right, enforcing conformity.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:57:28pm

re: #205 Charles Johnson

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Charles, Mrs. Fish had a question about that, around the context of the statement. Do we know that’s exactly the message he was trying to convey? The statement, by itself, is pretty empty.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2017 • 7:59:38pm

re: #208 whitebeach

Going back to Matthew for a second, once I got old enough to start actually learning and thinking, damned if I could see what was so wrong with the money changers at the temple. Jerusalem was an international city with travelers arriving from all over the Mediterranean world and even beyond. They carried currencies of probably three dozen kinds, and maybe only three were negotiable locally. Changing money was a necessary and important service, and the temple was the logical place to do it. It was central and convenient, everybody knew where it was, and the seat of civil government, the Roman governor’s palace, wasn’t likely to be opened up to this kind of exchange. What was the big deal?

The problem with the money changers is that they were on the take. Much like tax collectors, they made their profit on whatever they could collect from the hapless pilgrims who came to them with no other option. Them setting up in a holy place and stealing from those who came to worship ignited His righteous anger.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:00:55pm

re: #212 Anymouse 🌹

Political Correctness: On the left, being polite. On the right, enforcing conformity.

I always tell people that PC means Polite and Considerate. Too many rejoice in the current luxury of insulting others thanks to the example set by the “President”.

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Mattand  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:01:57pm

re: #213 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Charles, Mrs. Fish had a question about that, around the context of the statement. Do we know that’s exactly the message he was trying to convey? The statement, by itself, is pretty empty.

My gut reaction is to want to assume someone is joking or being self-deprecating when speaking like this.

In this case, there’s enough previous evidence that Trump:

a) actually said it in all earnestness
b) believes it
c) believes that he has Xi snowed/intimidated/impressed with him.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:04:13pm

re: #216 Mattand

My gut reaction is to want to assume someone is joking or being self-deprecating when speaking like this.

In this case, there’s enough previous evidence that Trump:

a) actually said it in all earnestness
b) believes it
c) believes that he has Xi snowed/intimidated/impressed with him.

I get all of that and I agree with all of it. Mrs. Fish agrees that Trump was most likely saying something ridiculously stupid. She just wants to hear the context because a lot of anti-Trump stuff comes from people who are anti-Trump, and she wants to understand if this is actually as stupid as the isolated statement seems to be.

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Skip Intro  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:04:16pm

re: #208 whitebeach

They needed to exchange their money to be able to buy animals for sacrifice, which were also sold at the temple and was the point of going to the temple.

No, it doesn’t make any sense. I’ve always wondered if that wasn’t added later after John declared the Jews were the killers of Jesus, not the Romans as in the earlier Gospels.

And WTH did Judas do wrong? Wasn’t it always the plan that Jesus had to die to erase original sin? He was part of the plan, just like Jesus was.

If not for Judas, the Falwells, Osteens, Robertsons, and Grahams would all be selling used cars for a living.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:05:56pm

A lot of what people claim to be “PC” is just being decent. It’s hey not being a broad brushing asshole. Do sometimes things maybe go too far? Perhaps but I find the whining about PC even more obnoxious. And honestly I’m sick of hearing how everything was better humor wise in the past. It was controversial to show flushing toilets at one point or to even imply couples shared the same bed. Matt’s right. A lot of this is white people who don’t like being called uut on their shit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:07:09pm

re: #215 Hecuba’s daughter

I always tell people that PC means Polite and Considerate. Too many rejoice in the current luxury of insulting others thanks to the example set by the “President”.

According to Wikipedia, the term became a pejorative when it was promoted by conservative pundits in the Eighties. Prior to that, the term referred to rigid orthodoxy (for example, they note the New York Times used that term to refer to the political requirements of the Nazi Party in Germany during the Thirties).

I am just old enough to remember the old usage.

The contemporary usage of the term emerged from conservative criticism of the New Left in the late Twentieth Century. The phrase was widely used in the debate about Allan Bloom’s 1987 book The Closing of the American Mind, and gained further currency in response to Roger Kimball’s Tenured Radicals (1990), and conservative author Dinesh D’Souza’s 1991 book Illiberal Education, in which he condemned what he saw as liberal efforts to advance self-victimization and multiculturalism through language, affirmative action, and changes to the content of school and university curricula. The term was also the subject of articles in The New York Times and other media throughout the 1990s.

Political Correctness article at Wikipedia, the font of all human ken [citation needed].

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whitebeach  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:08:26pm

re: #214 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The problem with the money changers is that they were on the take. Much like tax collectors, they made their profit on whatever they could collect from the hapless pilgrims who came to them with no other option. Them setting up in a holy place and stealing from those who came to worship ignited His righteous anger.

Money changers were engaged in a service business and were (and still are today) entitled to a return on their services. They competed with others in their business both on the temple steps and in the streets nearby, so “no other option” seems like a stretch. Given these facts, “stealing” also seem like a stretch. As for conducting monetary transactions in the Lord’s house, I doubt that it was much different then from what it is now, and if you’re concerned about this, whatever you do, don’t set foot inside St. Patrick’s Cathedral.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:13:52pm

Wikileaks TV (a YouTube channel) promoting Ben Shapiro making continuing assertions that the Texas church murderer was a “militant leftist atheist.”

‘HE WAS AN ANTI RELIGIOUS ATHEIST ’ BEN Shapiro EXPLODES ON CHELSEA HANDLER’S GUN CONTROL TWEET

All this “he was an atheist” stuff traces back to a single Website that is known for making up crap. It is now part of Wingnut Religious Canon (tm).

In the credible press, it was reported amongst other things that the fellow taught Bible study to children, which would be an awful deep cover for an atheist planning mass-murder.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:14:38pm

re: #212 Anymouse 🌹

Political Correctness: On the left, being polite. On the right, enforcing conformity.

i usually just offer to tell them an ethnic joke insulting the country that their ancestors are from. this works especially well on those of anglo saxon heritage, who are shocked to find that anybody would think of making insulting jokes (not hillbilly jokes) about them

on the other hand it’s rather telling that for all other american ethnics, there’s an abundance of jokes, but anglo saxon jokes are pretty scarce

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:16:38pm

re: #222 Anymouse 🌹

Wikileaks TV (a YouTube channel) promoting Ben Shapiro making continuing assertions that the Texas church murderer was a “militant leftist atheist.”

[Embedded content]

All this “he was an atheist” stuff traces back to a single Website that is known for making up crap. It is now part of Wingnut Religious Canon (tm).

In the credible press, it was reported amongst other things that the fellow taught Bible study to children, which would be an awful deep cover for an atheist planning mass-murder.

ayn rand was a militant atheist of course

paul ryan the not very smart smart guy worshipped ayn rand for decades before being shocked - shocked! - to find this out

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Mattand  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:16:39pm

re: #222 Anymouse 🌹

Wikileaks TV (a YouTube channel) promoting Ben Shapiro making continuing assertions that the Texas church murderer was a “militant leftist atheist.”

[Embedded content]

All this “he was an atheist” stuff traces back to a single Website that is known for making up crap. It is now part of Wingnut Religious Canon (tm).

In the credible press, it was reported amongst other things that the fellow taught Bible study to children, which would be an awful deep cover for an atheist planning mass-murder.

We’re tricky like that. I’ve been to all of my nieces’ and nephews’ First Communions, but refrained from doing anything disruptive because I’m playing the long game here.

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Kragar  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:16:42pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:18:35pm

re: #222 Anymouse 🌹

I heard he was a Jew. Pass it on.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:19:09pm

re: #222 Anymouse 🌹

Wikileaks TV (a YouTube channel) promoting Ben Shapiro making continuing assertions that the Texas church murderer was a “militant leftist atheist.”

[Embedded content]

All this “he was an atheist” stuff traces back to a single Website that is known for making up crap. It is now part of Wingnut Religious Canon (tm).

In the credible press, it was reported amongst other things that the fellow taught Bible study to children, which would be an awful deep cover for an atheist planning mass-murder.

Miltiant leftist atheists don’t teach Sunday School, Ben. Nice try but you’re still an asshole. And even if he was, wouldn’t you want to keep AR-15s out of such an individual’s hands? Oh wait, you’re a hack who plays tough guy but probably doesn’t know anything about guns but just spouts the gun bullshit because it’s what your idiotic fans want.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:19:54pm

re: #225 Mattand

We’re tricky like that. I’ve been to all of my nieces’ and nephews’ First Communions, but refrained from doing anything disruptive because I’m playing the long game here.

I even went so far as to be married in my first wife’s family church. Nineteenth century suit and everything. Bach for the wedding music. (She later dumped me when I developed epilepsy; presumably my atheism was okay but that was a deal-breaker, can’t be around someone possessed by demons.)

Moral of the story: My wife now is an atheist. Safer that way.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:20:07pm

re: #224 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

ayn rand was a militant atheist of course

paul ryan the not very smart smart guy worshipped ayn rand for decades before being shocked - shocked! - to find this out

Yeah an actual militant atheist, Rand is responsible for a lot of their philosophy.

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Skip Intro  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:20:18pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

What do you mean he’s still an asshole? When hasn’t he been?

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whitebeach  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:20:27pm

re: #218 Skip Intro

And WTH did Judas do wrong? Wasn’t it always the plan that Jesus had to die to erase original sin? He was part of the plan, just like Jesus was.

If not for Judas, the Falwells, Osteens, Robertsons, and Grahams would all be selling used cars for a living.

Excellent points, of course. But as to the actual facts as attested, I always wondered exactly why the Romans needed Judas to identify Jesus in the first place. The man had just been the honoree of a citywide parade a day or two before (depending on which infallible version of the timeline you prefer). It would be like J. Edgar Hoover asking somebody in JFK’s entourage to please point out the president for him.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:21:33pm

re: #225 Mattand

We’re tricky like that. I’ve been to all of my nieces’ and nephews’ First Communions, but refrained from doing anything disruptive because I’m playing the long game here.

I didn’t wear my Agnosticism on my sleeve when my niece got baptized. It was something my brother wanted to do mostly to make my grandmother and his wife’s family happy. I don’t mind religion if it’s a tool to help people. It’s not for me but I’m not going to tell someone that it has no use at all.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:21:45pm

re: #231 Skip Intro

What do you mean he’s still an asshole? When hasn’t he been?

Ha true. It’s late.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:22:11pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

Apparently the whole “atheism” thing comes from likes on his Facebook page, because liking an atheistic comment puts you in league with the Devil.

Good thing I’m not on Facebook or Twitter, they’ll never figure me out. /s

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:23:01pm

re: #218 Skip Intro

They needed to exchange their money to be able to buy animals for sacrifice, which were also sold at the temple and was the point of going to the temple.

No, it doesn’t make any sense. I’ve always wondered if that wasn’t added later after John declared the Jews were the killers of Jesus, not the Romans as in the earlier Gospels.

And WTH did Judas do wrong? Wasn’t it always the plan that Jesus had to die to erase original sin? He was part of the plan, just like Jesus was.

If not for Judas, the Falwells, Osteens, Robertsons, and Grahams would all be selling used cars for a living.

You know, I always wondered about that Re: Judas. The whole story is that Christ was meant to be crucified. So why would Judas be one of the most loathesome people if he was doing something that simply was meant to be. I’ve never gotten that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:24:40pm

re: #235 Anymouse 🌹

Apparently the whole “atheism” thing comes from likes on his Facebook page, because liking an atheistic comment puts you in league with the Devil.

Good thing I’m not on Facebook or Twitter, they’ll never figure me out. /s

I mean even if the guy was an Atheist. What exactly does it prove? It’s like when that stupid Pink Swastika stuff was all the rage. Oh so you found a couple gay Pagan Nazis. Well, I can find literally millions of Lutheran heterosexual Nazis and you don’t see me using that as an excuse to make heterosexual Lutherans second class citizens or blame them for Nazism.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:25:02pm

The Senate will break from the House legislation in several key ways, including eliminating the ability to deduct state and local taxes

i am now officially labelling any bill submitted by paul ryan the Wisconsin Death Trip

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danarchy  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:25:04pm

re: #223 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i usually just offer to tell them an ethnic joke insulting the country that their ancestors are from. this works especially well on those of anglo saxon heritage, who are shocked to find that anybody would think of making insulting jokes (not hillbilly jokes) about them

on the other hand it’s rather telling that for all other american ethnics, there’s an abundance of jokes, but anglo saxon jokes are pretty scarce

There are as many WASP jokes as any other ethnic group joke.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:25:32pm

OT and humblebragging: 74,622 karma points here and my second anniversary here at Mr. Johnson’s home is today.

I’d like to thank the Academy, and my mother …

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Skip Intro  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:25:33pm

re: #232 whitebeach

Excellent points, of course. But as to the actual facts as attested, I always wondered exactly why the Romans needed Judas to identify Jesus in the first place. The man had just been the honoree of a citywide parade a day or two before (depending on which infallible version of the timeline you prefer). It would be like J. Edgar Hoover asking somebody in JFK’s entourage to please point out the president for him.

These are all stories, written decades after the event by people who weren’t there. They aren’t eye witness accounts.

They were then copied again and again, with little improvements added to the text as seemed appropriate.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:26:58pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

I mean even if the guy was an Atheist. What exactly does it prove? It’s like when that stupid Pink Swastika stuff was all the rage. Oh so you found a couple gay Pagan Nazis. Well, I can find literally millions of Lutheran heterosexual Nazis and you don’t see me using that as an excuse to make heterosexual Lutherans second class citizens or blame them for Nazism.

you just don’t know how to practice wingnut reasoning

you need to study the web pages describing logical fallacies and then use them as your guidelines for making arguments

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Aussie Apocalypse  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:27:06pm

re: #222 Anymouse 🌹

For the sake of the Ducky, it seems the recent Church shooting wasn’t really political nor Ideological, It was a Domestic situation gone Hate Atomic! It does say a lot for the tossers of stones when then they are still throwing when the fog has begun to clear.

I maybe wrong, but my Psychologist Mother agrees with me, for what it is worth.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:27:36pm

re: #242 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

you just don’t know how to practice wingnut reasoning

you need to study the web pages describing logical fallacies and then use them as your guidelines for making arguments

Yeah I’ve never been a wingnut.

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Skip Intro  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:27:46pm

BTW, today Ryan’s home state became the 27th to endorse a Constitutional convention.

Just six more to go, I believe and then the shit really hits the fan.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:28:00pm

re: #239 danarchy

There are as many WASP jokes as any other ethnic group joke.

actually i only know one:

why do WASPs go to the hospital?

for the food

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whitebeach  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:28:26pm

re: #241 Skip Intro

These are all stories, written decades after the event by people who weren’t there. They aren’t eye witness accounts.

They were then copied again and again, with little improvements added to the text as seemed appropriate.

No shit??

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:29:04pm

re: #245 Skip Intro

BTW, today Ryan’s home state became the 27th to endorse a Constitutional convention.

Just six more to go, I believe and then the shit really hits the fan.

Goes to show you why the local elections are so important.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:29:35pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

You know, I always wondered about that Re: Judas. The whole story is that Christ was meant to be crucified. So why would Judas be one of the most loathesome people if he was doing something that simply was meant to be. I’ve never gotten that.

It’s similar to the Exodus story of Pharaoh. The idea was that the Jewish people were enslaved by Egypt, and Pharaoh specifically had his heart hardened by God so that he would not let the Jewish people go from slavery to Egypt. (We’ll skip the part of no evidence for any of that.)

Pharaoh thus was playing a part in God’s plan for the Jewish people (and the slaughter of the Egyptian first born and Pharoah’s free will). The Pharaoh was a crucial part of the Exodus story and God’s plan, but he is vilified for doing something he had no choice in (as God hardened his heart).

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Belafon  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:29:47pm

re: #245 Skip Intro

BTW, today Ryan’s home state became the 27th to endorse a Constitutional convention.

Just six more to go, I believe and then the shit really hits the fan.

Just six. Except each one gets exponentially harder to find, and that’s before elections next year. After yesterdays results, I’m pretty sure more than one state is going to flip control to Democrats.

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Skip Intro  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:30:24pm

re: #248 HappyWarrior

If things had gone badly yesterday your state would soon have become #28.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:30:57pm

re: #251 Skip Intro

If things had gone badly yesterday your state would soon have become #28.

No kidding.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:31:26pm

re: #243 Aussie Apocalypse

For the sake of the Ducky, it seems the recent Church shooting wasn’t really political nor Ideological, It was a Domestic situation gone Hate Atomic! It does say a lot for the tossers of stones when then they are still throwing when the fog has begun to clear.

I maybe wrong, but my Psychologist Mother agrees with me, for what it is worth.

My mother, who is also a psychologist (then became an Irish folk musician but that is another story) cautions about using the term “crazy” as that is a technical term for use by professionals only.

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Skip Intro  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:32:02pm

re: #247 whitebeach

I can’t tell if you’re ribbing me.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:36:09pm

re: #253 Anymouse 🌹

I feel the same way, (I have no qualifications, but being brought up by someone with the know-how) “Crazy”, in the appropriate settings, is to be Insane and not able to be held accountable for their actions.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:36:52pm

re: #254 Skip Intro

For your, or Whitebeach’s, pleasure?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:38:20pm

re: #242 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

you just don’t know how to practice wingnut reasoning

you need to study the web pages describing logical fallacies and then use them as your guidelines for making arguments

My brain doesn’t work that way. I have a link to a logical fallacy description Website to translate Wingnut to English.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:38:20pm

re: #245 Skip Intro

BTW, today Ryan’s home state became the 27th to endorse a Constitutional convention.

Just six more to go, I believe and then the shit really hits the fan.

i’ve heard wingnuts refer to this seemingly as a project of theirs

any idea what they’d want to accomplish with a constitutional convention if they managed to get one?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:41:17pm

re: #258 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i’ve heard wingnuts refer to this seemingly as a project of theirs

any idea what they’d want to accomplish with a constitutional convention if they managed to get one?

The Koch Brothers have put a lot of effort behind this movement. From their perspective, they would like the government weakened to the point it can do nothing to interfere with unregulated capitalism. (Bonus: they can get rid of the Income Tax as well.)

The solution is to mention to wingnuts who are being misled is that an Article V convention can literally rewrite anything, including the precious II Amendment. There isn’t a chance in hell that a nascent oligarchy is going to let them keep their guns.

And if that isn’t enough, there’s that freedom of religion thing in the I Amendment. Out the window, and they can only hope their own religion isn’t tossed with it.

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whitebeach  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:43:55pm

re: #254 Skip Intro

I can’t tell if you’re ribbing me.

No shit??

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Weaselone  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:55:36pm

re: #245 Skip Intro

BTW, today Ryan’s home state became the 27th to endorse a Constitutional convention.

Just six more to go, I believe and then the shit really hits the fan.

They’re morons. They don’t even realize what a Constitutional Convention means. The last time we had one it was to amend the Articles of Confederation and the delegates ended up tossing the entire thing and writing the Constitution. They also seem to forget that even after it was ratified by 9 of the 13 states, it still only went into effect for the states that signed it. Rhode island held out 2.5 years and only entered because other states threatened to treat it like a foreign country regarding trade.

If a convention was called, it’s likely many of the states would boycott it outright. If the convention drafted a steaming pile of crap, many of those same states would never ratify it. What’s the impact of that?

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austin_blue  Nov 8, 2017 • 9:54:55pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

I didn’t wear my Agnosticism on my sleeve when my niece got baptized. It was something my brother wanted to do mostly to make my grandmother and his wife’s family happy. I don’t mind religion if it’s a tool to help people. It’s not for me but I’m not going to tell someone that it has no use at all.

Agnosticism, or in my case, Deism, means never having to say you are sorry. I don’t personally believe in a Theist God, who answers every prayer and takes an active role in the affairs of humans. I entertain the thought that there may be a God, however, who created the Universe and does not care about Its creation after the fact. A Prime Mover without a need to fuck with things once it was done, in other words. I also believe it’s possible that there is no God and that the Universe is entirely random, a construct entirely created by an as yet unknown unified field theory and a Big Bang that resulted in us just popping out of nowhere.

I was raised Catholic, and I don’t begrudge anyone their faith, whatever it is, so long as they don’t use it to subjugate, damage, or suppress people who don’t agree with them. I have deep respect for people of faith. It really makes it much easier to deal with the reality of this existence we all share.

Atheism takes a lot of faith and not all of it good. It has hard edges. It’s a yes/no dogma, right or wrong. So is hardcore right wing (any other religion you want to fill in here). None of them are helpful to the common good of a healthy, multi-cultural world.

Night all! Out to Alpine tomorrow for a couple gigs with one of She Who Must Be Obeyed’s bands. Doing the tour of the McDonald Observatory complex on either Sunday or Monday. Good times.

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SpikeDad  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:52:05am

re: #124 Anymouse 🌹

The Planned Parenthood remark really got me. Whatever good will I had left for Sen. Sanders evaporated at that moment.

As for the waste dump proposed in Texas he supported, I did not learn about that until long afterwards, from a commentator here.

Don’t forget Sanders is also one of the key facilitators of another gigantic government waste dump - National Center for Complementary and Integrative Health. Billions of dollars for chiropractic and acupuncture research.

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SpikeDad  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:54:42am

re: #249 Anymouse 🌹

It’s similar to the Exodus story of Pharaoh. The idea was that the Jewish people were enslaved by Egypt, and Pharaoh specifically had his heart hardened by God so that he would not let the Jewish people go from slavery to Egypt. (We’ll skip the part of no evidence for any of that.)

Pharaoh thus was playing a part in God’s plan for the Jewish people (and the slaughter of the Egyptian first born and Pharoah’s free will). The Pharaoh was a crucial part of the Exodus story and God’s plan, but he is vilified for doing something he had no choice in (as God hardened his heart).

I don’t think in this era of made up Republican science we should be “skipping the part of no evidence”. Regardless of the circumstance things with no evidence should be dismissed.


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