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prairiefire  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:41:57pm

Keep it going!

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Targetpractice  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:46:20pm

The big takeaway from last night (for me) is that all the months of talk from the far-left and the far-right that the GOP can’t be defeated at the polls by cuffing them to Trump were so much hot air. That the talk that Russia “doesn’t matter” to voters was more about people pursuing their own agendas than an actual gauge of the public’s interest. And that anybody who tells you that the DNC can’t win against Trump without appealing to white voters is talking out of his ass.

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JordanRules  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:53:22pm
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electrotek  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:53:28pm

I had no idea Sam Harris and Mike Cernovich were beefing with each other

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:59:25pm

re: #4 electrotek

I wonder what the beef is about. Harris strikes me as Islamophobic and after he interviewed Charles Murray, it was a wrap for me. I’d think he and Mike would have quite a lot in common.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 8, 2017 • 8:59:51pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 8, 2017 • 9:01:17pm

Also a turbine wearing Sikh is now mayor of Hoboken NJ, birthplace of Frank Sinatra

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retired cynic  Nov 8, 2017 • 9:02:17pm

re: #7 gocart mozart

Also a turbine wearing Sikh is now mayor of Hoboken NJ, birthplace of Frank Sinatra

Does his head spin with it? /

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teleskiguy  Nov 8, 2017 • 9:08:14pm

I tweeted this a year ago today.

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teleskiguy  Nov 8, 2017 • 9:11:01pm

re: #4 electrotek

Sam and Mike deserve each other.

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whitebeach  Nov 8, 2017 • 9:20:34pm

re: #2 Targetpractice

The big takeaway from last night (for me) is that all the months of talk from the far-left and the far-right that the GOP can’t be defeated at the polls by cuffing them to Trump were so much hot air. That the talk that Russia “doesn’t matter” to voters was more about people pursuing their own agendas than an actual gauge of the public’s interest. And that anybody who tells you that the DNC can’t win against Trump without appealing to white voters is talking out of his ass.

Well, to disagree on one point, the DNC can’t win against Trump without appealing to white voters. Fortunately, though, it only needs to appeal to sane white voters to win.

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Weaselone  Nov 8, 2017 • 9:21:28pm

re: #11 whitebeach

Well, to disagree on one point, the DNC can’t win against Trump without appealing to white voters. Fortunately, though, it only needs to appeal to sane white voters to win.

How do we keep what’s left of sane white voters sane?

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teleskiguy  Nov 8, 2017 • 9:22:27pm

re: #12 Weaselone

How do we keep what’s left of sane white voters sane?

Legalize cannabis.

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gocart mozart  Nov 8, 2017 • 9:32:50pm

re: #7 gocart mozart

Turban.
Fucking autocorrect

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retired cynic  Nov 8, 2017 • 9:33:21pm

re: #14 gocart mozart

Turban.
Fucking autocorrect

I knew it! If I had a nickel for every time….

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 9:33:31pm

re: #6 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

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I’ve always thought his protectionist rhetoric to be insincere.

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teleskiguy  Nov 8, 2017 • 9:37:46pm

I may be taking to this 280 thing too soon?

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jaunte  Nov 8, 2017 • 9:49:09pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 8, 2017 • 9:49:37pm

If I may follow up on a discussion from the previous thread.
re: #221 whitebeach

Money changers were engaged in a service business and were (and still are today) entitled to a return on their services. They competed with others in their business both on the temple steps and in the streets nearby, so “no other option” seems like a stretch. Given these facts, “stealing” also seem like a stretch. As for conducting monetary transactions in the Lord’s house, I doubt that it was much different then from what it is now, and if you’re concerned about this, whatever you do, don’t set foot inside St. Patrick’s Cathedral.

Incorrect assumptions there. These were not general exchange bankers trading foreign, ie non-Roman, money for locally negotiable money. For one thing there was very little non-Roman money in that part of the world, since it was deep in the Empire in those days, and very damn few non-Roman travelers, all of whom would long since have changed their money long before they reached Jerusalem. There were many local variations in Roman coinage from the different provinces, but it was all legal tender anywhere in the Empire.
It is well attested from non-Christian sources like Josephus that the “money changers” at the Temple were engaged in a specialized type of exchange, trading general Roman currency for the two types of coinage, Jewish and Tyrean, that were the only acceptable payment for sacrificial animals at the Temple. This was because the general Roman coinage contained graven images. The priests of the Temple controlled both the special coinage and the supply of sacrificial animals. The latter were sold only at the Temple. The priests had a monopoly on the sacrifice business, they farmed it out to various stall holders, and they were using it to fleece the worshipers with exorbitant exchange rates and prices.
The Temple Mount and the Money Changers

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Interesting Times  Nov 8, 2017 • 9:50:05pm
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jaunte  Nov 8, 2017 • 9:55:42pm

Another Republican, hiding.

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austin_blue  Nov 8, 2017 • 9:56:42pm

Oops, a major CL, rest her soul.

re: #233 HappyWarrior

I didn’t wear my Agnosticism on my sleeve when my niece got baptized. It was something my brother wanted to do mostly to make my grandmother and his wife’s family happy. I don’t mind religion if it’s a tool to help people. It’s not for me but I’m not going to tell someone that it has no use at all.

Agnosticism, or in my case, Deism, means never having to say you are sorry. I don’t personally believe in a Theist God, who answers every prayer and takes an active role in the affairs of humans. I entertain the thought that there may be a God, however, who created the Universe and does not care about Its creation after the fact. A Prime Mover without a need to fuck with things once it was done, in other words. I also believe it’s possible that there is no God and that the Universe is entirely random, a construct entirely created by an as yet unknown unified field theory and a Big Bang that resulted in us just popping out of nowhere.

I was raised Catholic, and I don’t begrudge anyone their faith, whatever it is, so long as they don’t use it to subjugate, damage, or suppress people who don’t agree with them. I have deep respect for people of faith. It really makes it much easier to deal with the reality of this existence we all share.

Atheism takes a lot of faith and not all of it good. It has hard edges. It’s a yes/no dogma, right or wrong. So is hardcore right wing (any other religion you want to fill in here). None of them are helpful to the common good of a healthy, multi-cultural world.

Night all! Out to Alpine tomorrow for a couple gigs with one of She Who Must Be Obeyed’s bands. Doing the tour of the McDonald Observatory complex on either Sunday or Monday. Good times.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 8, 2017 • 9:56:58pm

re: #21 jaunte

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Another Republican, hiding.

He’s scared.

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TedStriker  Nov 8, 2017 • 10:15:47pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

He’s scared.

Moore knows that, if he were to have a public debate with Jones, Jones will eat his lunch and come back for seconds and that, combined with the Dem wave we’ve seen this week, will turn his “most likely” election in December into a real toss-up.

All he has to do is run out the clock.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 8, 2017 • 10:44:39pm

re: #25 TedStriker

Moore knows that, if he were to have a public debate with Jones, Jones will eat his lunch and come back for seconds and that, combined with the Dem wave we’ve seen this week, will turn his “most likely” election in December into a real toss-up.

All he has to do is run out the clock.

and squeak by so it can be hailed as a big success and turnaround for the GOP

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 8, 2017 • 10:51:55pm

from the previous thread:

re: #262 austin_blue

Agnosticism, or in my case, Deism, means never having to say you are sorry. I don’t personally believe in a Theist God, who answers every prayer and takes an active role in the affairs of humans. I entertain the thought that there may be a God, however, who created the Universe and does not care about Its creation after the fact. A Prime Mover without a need to fuck with things once it was done, in other words. I also believe it’s possible that there is no God and that the Universe is entirely random, a construct entirely created by an as yet unknown unified field theory and a Big Bang that resulted in us just popping out of nowhere.

What is a “theist god?” Theism is a statement about a person’s belief, not a god’s. I’m sorry to point out that this is a muddled mess.

By the way, a deist is a theist. A deist believes a god exists. The universe is not random, it is governed by physical laws.

That is the standard creationist argument about the Big Bang Theory: That the Universe popped up out of nowhere (define nowhere, do you have a nowhere to compare one to?) The Big Bang theory does not say that. However, the Bible does. As for a god who creates a universe then ignores it, what use is that god?

I’m an atheist, and I entertain the idea of a god. Atheism is only a position on one question: Do I believe in a god? Nope, there is no evidence for Kali-ma. (Is that the god you meant? There are so many mutually-exclusive gods to choose from.)

I was raised Catholic, and I don’t begrudge anyone their faith,

Joel Olsteen and Franklin Graham thank you for your support. People use reason for everyday decisions: On the most important questions (where did the Universe come from and how did we get here), suddenly reason goes out the window and faith (belief without proof) becomes the answer. Faith has never answered a single question in the history of humankind, but it has been frequently used as a weapon against others.

whatever it is, so long as they don’t use it to subjugate, damage, or suppress people who don’t agree with them.

When religions are small (like the Baptists were at the founding of the Republic), they cry out for protection from other religions by the State. When they become large, they want to become the state. Without exception, throughout history.

As for not agreeing with them, I’ve had the pleasure of attending a few Wiccan retreats (a religion which claims it is all about inclusivity and coexistence). You’d be amazed at how bigoted Wiccans get when there are no others around to hear.

I have deep respect for people of faith. It really makes it much easier to deal with the reality of this existence we all share.

I have respect for people unless they show themselves unworthy, I have no respect for ideas unless they are true. No religion has ever shown itself true, and I have no respect for belief without evidence. Such things give you a Trump for President. As for easier to deal with the reality of existence, I would rather have the truth than a comfortable lie or assertion without evidence.

Atheism takes a lot of faith and not all of it good.

BUZZ!!! Pick up your consolation prize, thanks for playing.

Pascal, pick up your wager at window #2.

Atheism takes a lot of faith if you define faith as “no faith.” Tell me what I believe without evidence, and you know what I’ll do? Stop believing it. Atheism is a position on exactly one question: Do you believe in a god? Atheists only believe in one less god of tens of thousands than every religious believer on the planet. Do Christians need a lot of faith not to believe in Allah or Kali-ma?

It has hard edges. It’s a yes/no dogma, right or wrong. So is hardcore right wing (any other religion you want to fill in here). None of them are helpful to the common good of a healthy, multi-cultural world.

There is no “hard edge.” It is not a dogma. It is not a “right or wrong” position, it’s a “you haven’t provided evidence for your assertion of Amateratsu (is that the goddess you meant?) yet. I am agnostic on the position of Amateratsu (I don’t know she exists or not). That doesn’t make my position a “right or wrong” position. (sets strawman on fire)

Show evidence of a god, and I’ll believe that god exists (worshipping that god is another question). You’re right though: No religion has ever been helpful to the common good of a multi-cultural world.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 9, 2017 • 12:20:49am

re: #26 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and squeak by so it can be hailed as a big success and turnaround for the GOP

Would a series of ads attacking Moore for his refusal to debate be effective? Something that lays out a position that Jones supports and points out that Moore refuses to discuss this because he doesn’t understand the issue or doesn’t want the public to know where he really stands.

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LastYearsMan  Nov 9, 2017 • 1:07:03am

I can only assume you hipsters have seen and discussed this abomination to death already… But on the off chance you missed it.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:04:41am

Charles is not the only website owner with spambot problems. Russian spammers had just about shut my website down these last few days with WordPress comment spam until I blocked a whole range of IP addresses just now.

Still have work to do, but at least now I can access the admin page to try to clean things up. First step, turn off commenting for now, then see why Akismet is not doing its job.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:15:27am

Looks like Bernie is rumbling about using the DNC as a platform for 2020. People are not pleased.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:23:08am

re: #30 wheat-dogg

Charles is not the only website owner with spambot problems. Russian spammers had just about shut my website down these last few days with WordPress comment spam until I blocked a whole range of IP addresses just now.

Still have work to do, but at least now I can access the admin page to try to clean things up. First step, turn off commenting for now, then see why Akismet is not doing its job.

Well, Akismet was updated, but not activated because the constant spam load prevented me from access the plugins page. Blocking those IP addresses helped.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:25:31am

My site is still slow as molasses, though. Something else might be up.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 9, 2017 • 3:46:21am

Just take a minute to let this soak in.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:00:29am

re: #34 Dave In Austin

It’s almost as if Trump appoints people only with regard to their loyalty to The Donald, and not to their actual expertise. Even previous Republican administrations at least tried to find people who were somewhat versed in their intended positions’ responsibilities.
I suspect all the suitably qualified people, when asked if they would serve under Trump, said, “Hell no!” and so Trump has to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:07:11am
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wheat-dogg  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:08:10am

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

When you lose country-western musicians …

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:16:35am

re: #18 jaunte

It’s a point of free speech and the ability to question leaders.

Trump is an authoritarian who craves the kind of control that Chinese, Saudi Arabia, and Putin all enjoy. They all limit free speech and control media coverage to the point of killing journalists who are doing their job in exposing wrongdoing by the respective regimes.

Trump is an anathema to the First Amendment.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:20:16am

re: #38 lawhawk

Trump is an anathema to the First Amendment.

Lots of things he embraces are anathema to American values.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:22:42am

So, it seems Steven Segal is an asshole, too. No surprise there.

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:22:50am

re: #39 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Lots of things he embraces are anathema to American values.

Didn’t want to take up the full 16000+ characters. I could, but then most people would glaze over after the first 1000.

Trump is an enemy to the Constitution and all it stands for (except the 2A, which he spews NRA nonsense repeatedly). Only thing he cares about is himself and enriching himself and his cronies.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:24:21am

re: #39 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Lots of things he embraces are anathema to American values.

Two-thirds of the country seems to get that. It’s the remaining one-third that seems oblivious to the dangers he and his administration present.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:26:09am

Trump is also all agog by the super-duper red carpet treatments he’s had in Japan, South Korea and China. He doesn’t seem to understand they are only stroking his ego so they can get a great deal out of him. Conning the con man, as it were.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:28:12am

re: #43 wheat-dogg

Trump is also all agog by the super-duper red carpet treatments he’s had in Japan, South Korea and China. He doesn’t seem to understand they are only stroking his ego so they can get a great deal out of him. Conning the con man, as it were.

They know how to read him like a book….his narcissism and need for attention is glaringly obvious.

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:28:40am

re: #43 wheat-dogg

Everyone knows how to play Trump because he’s an open book. He’s not a great negotiator because he signals his intentions and folds like a cheaply made Trump suit (made in China after all) at the first bit of resistance.

China will play him and the US trade negotiators.

We will come out worse for this latest overseas trip.

And Pence isn’t doing much better in covering for fact that Trump and GOP don’t care what happens to mass shooting victims; thoughts and prayers are all the GOP offers, not any substantive changes that might actually bring a reduction in gun violence and reduce mass shootings.

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:29:33am
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:30:17am

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is a great parody!

BEFORE HE TWEETS - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:44:55am

Russia one step closer to owning Venezuela’s oil reserves.

While the country’s isolation means the risk of contagion to international financial markets is limited, a default could trigger a global rush to seize assets owned by the Venezuelan government and its state oil company PDVSA, and plunge the struggling nation into a full-blown humanitarian emergency.

The only bright spot for Venezuela was Russia saying Caracas had agreed to its terms for restructuring the part of the debt it holds, with an accord to be signed within a week.

“Venezuela has confirmed the conditions that were agreed and so the process will move to a final phase,” minister Anton Siluanov told the Interfax news agency.

Venezuela’s official debt to Moscow stood at $2.8 billion as of 2016, with another $6 billion owed to oil giant Rosneft, which is closely allied with the Kremlin.

I assume Russia is betting on default because of this:

For a country with the world’s largest proven oil reserves — nearly 300 billion barrels, worth more than $15 trillion — such debt normally should be bearable.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:46:12am

re: #48 Shropshire Slasher

Russia one step closer to owning Venezuela’s oil reserves.

I assume Russia is betting on default because of this:

Yep. Russia would love nothing more than to get hold of that. And the Venezuelan people? Yeah, they’re 100% fucked.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:49:44am

re: #49 Dr Lizardo

Yep. Russia would love nothing more than to get hold of that. And the Venezuelan people? Yeah, they’re 100% fucked.

The bolívar is so worthless that people there are using Bitcoin as local currency, though it is technically illegal. Some are even mining Bitcoin on their home computers, earning maybe a $1 week if they’re lucky, because a dollar is more than they had the week before.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:55:28am

re: #50 wheat-dogg

The bolívar is so worthless that people there are using Bitcoin as local currency, though it is technically illegal. Some are even mining Bitcoin on their home computers, earning maybe a $1 week if they’re lucky, because a dollar is more than they had the week before.

The Venezuelan economy is an absolute basket case. It’s probably gonna take them at least generation to recover…..and that’s not going to happen until Maduro goes and some sane people take the helm.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:56:05am

re: #48 Shropshire Slasher

With that being said, anything that Trump would say or do from now on to encourage Venezuelan default would be suspect.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:56:21am

re: #48 Shropshire Slasher

Russia one step closer to owning Venezuela’s oil reserves.

I assume Russia is betting on default because of this:

Russia created its oligarch class to prevent its oil reserves from being taken over by outside powers. Now they are going after other nations’ reserves. Brilliant ploy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:57:54am

re: #52 Shropshire Slasher

With that being said, anything that Trump would say or do from now on to encourage Venezuelan default would be suspect.

Not necessarily, he is dumb and egotistical enough to get played or prompted into making such statements without being really aware of what he was doing…

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:58:20am

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

On this side of the globe. (I know, cold war thinking).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 4:59:27am

re: #55 Shropshire Slasher

On this side of the globe. (I know, cold war thinking).

Not Cold War thinking, just solid global strategy.

Next stop, Baghdad…

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wheat-dogg  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:04:27am

Quartz sent me this latest Quartz Obsession about cider. Contained within was this YouTube video by the Tempura Kidz. And now I shall share with you all, because it’s goofy — like a lot of Japanese music videos.

「CIDER CIDER」TEMPURA KIDZ

A commenter provided this English translation of the timeless Japanese lyrics:

Fizzy fizzy cider
A shower in my mouth
I’ll pop open a cider
I’ll open one with you
Fizz fizz fizz fizz POP!
Clear x Pink x Blue
Pure white, black, there’s all sorts of flavors
There are so many
That I can’t choose between them
Don’t shake it too much
Open it like you would a treasure box
‘Cause all the precious bubbles will escape
Gently, gently, nice and easy
Fizzy fizzy cider
A shower in my mouth
I’ll pop open a cider
I’ll open one with you
Fizz fizz fizz fizz POP!
I ate my dinner
And I’ve even finished my homework
And Daddy’s just now
Opening up a beer
Don’t be too hasty
Enjoy it little by little
When you’re ready we’ll open them on the count of three
Gently, gently, nice and easy
Fizzy fizzy cider
A shower in my mouth
I’ll pop open a cider
I wanna open one with you
Fizz fizz fizz fizz POP!
Fizzy fizzy cider
The tiny bomb
Has burst and disappeared
I’ll open one with you
Fizz fizz fizz fizz POP!

You’re welcome.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:08:29am

Then there is Saudi Arabia, which hemorrhages money worse than Mariah Carey on a bender.

In a memorable 2001 interview with PBS’ “Frontline,” Prince Bandar bin Sultan, who served for years as the Saudi envoy to Washington, said three decades of development had involved an expenditure of about $400 billion, perhaps an eighth of which had found its way into illicit channels.

“If you tell me … that we misused, or got corrupted, with $50 billion, I’ll tell you ‘yes,’” he said. “But I’ll take that anytime. There are so many countries in the Third World that have oil that are still 30 years behind.”

“We did not invent corruption,” the veteran ambassador added. “This has happened since Adam and Eve…. This is human nature.”

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman may just be consolidating power because he needs the money.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:12:37am

re: #58 Shropshire Slasher

Then there is Saudi Arabia, which hemorrhages money worse than Mariah Carey on a bender.

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman may just be consolidating power because he needs the money.

Not unlike the Kushners

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:13:31am

re: #58 Shropshire Slasher

Then there is Saudi Arabia, which hemorrhages money worse than Mariah Carey on a bender.

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman may just be consolidating power because he needs the money.

the Party is over and he is just tossing out all the drunks passed out upstairs…

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wheat-dogg  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:16:18am

Apples, as it turns out, originated in Kazakhstan, where they still grow wild.

atlasobscura.com

So, was the Garden of Eden located in Kazakhstan? Adam and Eve were some hardy souls, given the winters there.
//

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:18:41am

re: #61 wheat-dogg

Scientists believe the Tian Shan apple seeds were first transported out of Kazakhstan by birds and bears long before humans ever cultivated them. By the time humans did begin to grow and trade apples, the Malus sieversii had already taken root in Syria

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wheat-dogg  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:19:25am

re: #62 Shropshire Slasher

Don’t spoil the weak joke I just made, K?

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Dave In Austin  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:19:39am
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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:21:00am

re: #63 wheat-dogg

Sorry, (mopes off into the distance with puppy dawg eyes.)

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wheat-dogg  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:22:34am

re: #65 Shropshire Slasher

Sorry, (mopes off into the distance with puppy dawg eyes.)

It’s OK. Come back!

I’d offer you a nice cider, if I had one handy.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:22:56am

re: #61 wheat-dogg

Apples, as it turns out, originated in Kazakhstan, where they still grow wild.

atlasobscura.com

So, was the Garden of Eden located in Kazakhstan? Adam and Eve were some hardy souls, given the winters there.
//

Never would have guessed that but perhaps the geography of Kazakhstan was very different. Central Asia is a region that I really don’t know too much about. Rumor had it when I was an undergrad, that the Central Asian history course offered was the most difficult course in the program. I never did take it. I used a couple of my history electives on Chinese history because I really wanted to understand China better and while I would say I’m far from an expert on China, I do think I came away better with a much better than the average American in understanding China. Then I had a co-worker from Taiwan who also was a history buff who taught me a little more about Taiwan during our lunch breaks.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:24:02am

JFC on a barbed wire tightrope, talk about a straw man

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jeffreyw  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:24:16am

Imgur


Good morning!

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wheat-dogg  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:27:49am

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Never would have guessed that but perhaps the geography of Kazakhstan was very different. Central Asia is a region that I really don’t know too much about. Rumor had it when I was an undergrad, that the Central Asian history course offered was the most difficult course in the program. I never did take it. I used a couple of my history electives on Chinese history because I really wanted to understand China better and while I would say I’m far from an expert on China, I do think I came away better with a much better than the average American in understanding China. Then I had a co-worker from Taiwan who also was a history buff who taught me a little more about Taiwan during our lunch breaks.

It was a surprise to me, too. I associate the country with oil and minerals, not apples. But what do I know. All of Central Asia is a mystery to me. I met a Couchsurfing couple who backpacked/hitchhiked from their home in Ukraine through a few of the “stans”, entered China in Xinjiang, took the train (wisely) to Sichuan, then resumed hitching across China. They had some wild stories about Kazakhstani hosts and impromptu tour guides.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:28:19am

re: #63 wheat-dogg

Don’t spoil the weak joke I just made, K?

I could be a real dick and mention that there is no reference to apples in the Bible, just the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, an apple was just the convention that developed over time.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:29:09am

Why Trump Will Never Lose His Supporters (goes to politico via electoral-vote.com

i’m quoting the entire electoral-vote exerpt and bolding some stuff. Clearly these people are lost. they are not rational. they are not redeemable nor politically turnable. and they are a small enough number to probably not matter if we stay mobilized.

still, holy moly:

Politico Magazine has a long piece on why Donald Trump will never lose his core supporters. Its reporter spent time in places like Johnstown, PA, a depressed coal mining town that went solidly for Trump because he promised to bring back coal and steel jobs. Now 10 months into his presidency, the people there see that he is never going to bring back those jobs, but they don’t blame him for it. When the reporter asked people how they would feel if after 4 years if nothing changed, they said they would still love him. When pressed about what his has done for them, the answer was that he hates and battles people they hate, including Democrats, establishment Republicans, the media, Black Lives protesters, and most of all, kneeling NFL millionaires, who they see as ungrateful and disrespectful. In other words, it is all about the culture wars, not economics or even policy. It’s all about hate and he hates the people they hate. You can’t eat hate, but it is a good second choice after food.

Many of the respondents don’t have a clue what they are talking about. One of them said: “Everybpdy I talk to realizes it’s not Trump who is dragging his feet. Trump’s probably the most diligent, hardest-working president we’ve ever had in our lifetimes. It’s not like he sleeps in till noon and goes golfing every weekend, like the last president did.” When the reporter told him that Trump golfs a lot more than Barack Obama, he was surprised. He added that 99% of his TV time is on Fox News. He thinks CNN is definitely fake news. Interviews with many more people gave the same impression, with others saying that his declarations of success are what matter, not actual success. For people who don’t understand why his supporters aren’t shaken by anything Trump says or does, this article is valuable reading material.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:29:22am

re: #68 The Vicious Babushka

JFC on a barbed wire tightrope, talk about a straw man

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Birther on another typical Fox rant…

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:29:41am

p.s. — good morning one and all

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:30:49am

re: #22 austin_blue

Oops, a major CL, rest her soul.

re: #233 HappyWarrior

I didn’t wear my Agnosticism on my sleeve when my niece got baptized. It was something my brother wanted to do mostly to make my grandmother and his wife’s family happy. I don’t mind religion if it’s a tool to help people. It’s not for me but I’m not going to tell someone that it has no use at all.

Agnosticism, or in my case, Deism, means never having to say you are sorry. I don’t personally believe in a Theist God, who answers every prayer and takes an active role in the affairs of humans. I entertain the thought that there may be a God, however, who created the Universe and does not care about Its creation after the fact. A Prime Mover without a need to fuck with things once it was done, in other words. I also believe it’s possible that there is no God and that the Universe is entirely random, a construct entirely created by an as yet unknown unified field theory and a Big Bang that resulted in us just popping out of nowhere.

I was raised Catholic, and I don’t begrudge anyone their faith, whatever it is, so long as they don’t use it to subjugate, damage, or suppress people who don’t agree with them. I have deep respect for people of faith. It really makes it much easier to deal with the reality of this existence we all share.

Atheism takes a lot of faith and not all of it good. It has hard edges. It’s a yes/no dogma, right or wrong. So is hardcore right wing (any other religion you want to fill in here). None of them are helpful to the common good of a healthy, multi-cultural world.

Night all! Out to Alpine tomorrow for a couple gigs with one of She Who Must Be Obeyed’s bands. Doing the tour of the McDonald Observatory complex on either Sunday or Monday. Good times.

Deism is quite interesting. It’s a philosophy that as you know a lot of the Founders subscribed to. We have the same thought. I have no problem with religious faith if the person isn’t going to use it the persecute other people. It’s not for me but I don’t feel it’s my place to knock someone’s religion especially if they’re using as inspiration to help people. It’s one thing if you’re doing what you saw E.W. Jackson do yesterday and that’s attack every self proclaimed Christian who voted for the Democratic ticket here in Virginia but it’s another if you’re say like my Dad’s uncle and uses your faith in a poor Louisiana parish or later comforting wounded in action men during the Battle of the Bulge. I personally could never subscribe to outright Atheism because personally I can’t answer that question- Is there God. My answer I don’t think is too complex: “I don’t know if there’s a God but I also only know the one life I’ve got ahead of me. I want to make the most of that and use it to help people. If there’s a world beyond this, okay. If not, that’s that. The one thing I must say I really like about the current Pope is there’s a place in his world not just for other religions but for non-believers. Francis realizes we’re all on this planet together. That our theological choices are but another puzzle in our personal building block. Sounds like you’ve got a busy day and weekend coming up. Have fun.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:31:20am

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I could be a real dick and mention that there is no reference to apples in the Bible, just the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, an apple was just the convention that developed over time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jeez, what a bunch of pedants around here. //

I once read the “fruit” was more likely a pomegranate than an apple, or you can take the more allegorical approach and assume the fruit was a begrudging gift from a passive-aggressive God who wanted to give Adam and Eve the knowledge of good and evil, but drew the line at immortality.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:31:27am

re: #72 dangerman

Why Trump Will Never Lose His Supporters (goes to politico via electoral-vote.com

i’m quoting the entire electoral-vote exerpt and bolding some stuff. Clearly these people are lost. they are not rational. they are not redeemable nor politically turnable. and they are a small enough number to probably not matter if we stay mobilized.

still, holy moly:

There was a Golden Age back when a man with little education or training could earn enough in the mines to buy a nice house, a nice truck and put his kids through school (if they did not knock up their high school sweethearts first).

They would rather insist that this Dream is going to return than to face the ugly reality that advancements in technology and energy generation have made coal mining a dying profession.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:32:18am

re: #68 The Vicious Babushka

JFC on a barbed wire tightrope, talk about a straw man

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Except no one said that. And you clearly believe that abortion regulations will reduce abortion. So why the hell are we wrong to think gun control measures can reduce violent crime? Fox really does love peddling a bunch of straw men to its idiot viewership and lying about the the liberal view on guns.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:32:53am

Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:35:15am

re: #70 wheat-dogg

It was a surprise to me, too. I associate the country with oil and minerals, not apples. But what do I know. All of Central Asia is a mystery to me. I met a Couchsurfing couple who backpacked/hitchhiked from their home in Ukraine through a few of the “stans”, entered China in Xinjiang, took the train (wisely) to Sichuan, then resumed hitching across China. They had some wild stories about Kazakhstani hosts and impromptu tour guides.

I’ve never met anyone from that part of the world. But yeah it’s a mystery to me too. I’d love to learn more about their culture and foodie I am, try some of their cuisine.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:38:03am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Photos at the time definitely shows an apple.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:39:16am

re: #81 Shropshire Slasher

Photos at the time definitely shows an apple.

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That’s been ‘shopped. Check the craquelure.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:39:18am

re: #72 dangerman

Why Trump Will Never Lose His Supporters (goes to politico via electoral-vote.com

i’m quoting the entire electoral-vote exerpt and bolding some stuff. Clearly these people are lost. they are not rational. they are not redeemable nor politically turnable. and they are a small enough number to probably not matter if we stay mobilized.

still, holy moly:

I read the Politico article and man it depressed me. Johnstown literally is my maternal grandparents hometown and my dad had some family there too before they went to the cities. It depresses me because so many Johnstown residents have parents or grandparents who were either immigrants themselves or the children of them. My cousin Mike, the Iwo Jima hero struggled learning English when he first got here. The Trumpers of his day resented the Slavic immigrants for “taking their jobs.”

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:40:09am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There was a Golden Age back when a man with little education or training could earn enough in the mines to buy a nice house, a nice truck and put his kids through school (if they did not knock up their high school sweethearts first).

They would rather insist that this Dream is going to return than to face the ugly reality that advancements in technology and energy generation have made coal mining a dying profession.

and if that’s what they’re waiting for they’ll have to keep on waiting. they acknowledge trump lied to them and he’s not bringing the jobs back. they dont know or care that they were and are being played.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:40:30am

re: #79 I Would Prefer Not To

Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse.

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He disclosed it but wow. Corey Feldman named some of his abusers too.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:42:09am

re: #84 dangerman

and if that’s what they’re waiting for they’ll have to keep on waiting. they acknowledge trump lied to them and he’s not bringing the jobs back. they dont know or care that they were and are being played.

They sadly have their prejudices that they vote on that keeps any disappointment away. The Politico article showed some ugly racism among the residents.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:42:20am

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Except no one said that. And you clearly believe that abortion regulations will reduce abortion. So why the hell are we wrong to think gun control measures can reduce violent crime? Fox really does love peddling a bunch of straw men to its idiot viewership and lying about the the liberal view on guns.

i give you
re: #72 dangerman

Many of the respondents don’t have a clue what they are talking about….He added that 99% of his TV time is on Fox News

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:42:59am

re: #31 Dave In Austin

Looks like Bernie is rumbling about using the DNC as a platform for 2020. People are not pleased.

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What a surprise!! Bernie supporters are the same as Trump supporters!! My way or the highway and don’t pay their debts!

re: #59 wheat-dogg

Not unlike the Kushners

And perhaps the Trumps?

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Not necessarily, he is dumb and egotistical enough to get played or prompted into making such statements without being really aware of what he was doing…

He’s been actively working to help the Russians since he started running. His followers and the GOP don’t care. I think he knows it will help his pal Putie and there’s no one in the State Department who will stop him

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:44:43am

Education I think may help these people’s children and grandchildren think more forward thinking but they themselves will remain the same unless they challenge themselves internally or visit new places. My grandmother went from sympathetic to Darren Wilson to understanding BLM and supporting the kneeling.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:45:28am

re: #84 dangerman

and if that’s what they’re waiting for they’ll have to keep on waiting. they acknowledge trump lied to them and he’s not bringing the jobs back. they dont know or care that they were and are being played.

They insist that if we just get rid of pesky government environmental, health and safety regulations, the well-paid jobs will come back (without the need of unions, of course)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:45:36am

re: #87 dangerman

i give you

Yep I believe it. FNC is such a boil on this nation.

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:46:36am

re: #72 dangerman

Why Trump Will Never Lose His Supporters (goes to politico via electoral-vote.com

i’m quoting the entire electoral-vote exerpt and bolding some stuff. Clearly these people are lost. they are not rational. they are not redeemable nor politically turnable. and they are a small enough number to probably not matter if we stay mobilized.

still, holy moly:

I have been saying exactly this for years. It is a cult of hate. That is all the American Conservative movement is. They are indoctrinated into hate all day, every day. They might be able to be deprogrammed, if you could remove the sources, but how do you remove their access to the internet and TV? They are not redeemable. They cannot be reasoned with. They cannot be persuaded, not while they continue to find the sources that feed their hate. I do not think they are a small enough number, either - that’s the most shocking revelation of 2016. There’s no amount of personal pain or deprivation that will sway them, because at this point, they need hate more than air.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:47:24am

This is the perfect troll for wingnuts and I plan on employing for the near future. It’s perfect.

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:48:57am

re: #79 I Would Prefer Not To

The dam is bursting on the Hollywood casting couch system and the systematic harassment/abuse of people who are incapable of defending themselves against such actions because they’re fearful their careers will be destroyed because of the power of those carrying out the abuse.

And this extends beyond Hollywood to all aspects of society, the workplace, or even political sphere.

Trump was the most prominent manifestation of this, but he wasn’t alone.

How do we know the problem will continue long into the future? Because the GOP still elected him president knowing Trump admitted to being a sex predator in the same vein as Weinstein, Spacey, and all the rest.

There’s a segment of the population who thinks this kind of abuse and harassment is acceptable.

Meanwhile, the NYPD and prosecutors are readying rape charges against Weinstein - Paz de la Huerta has come forward claiming Weinstein raped her. She’s not alone. It shouldn’t have taken dozens of women to get to the point where Weinstein faces justice (the Manhattan prosecutors declined to pursue charges in the past). People in power have ways to protect themselves - the system isn’t rigged; it’s fixed in these people’s favor). That too has to change, and it can’t come fast enough.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:50:37am

re: #94 lawhawk

How do we know the problem will continue long into the future? Because the GOP still elected him president knowing Trump admitted to being a sex predator in the same vein as Weinstein, Spacey, and all the rest.

As was pointed out, our fictional President faces tougher consequences than our real one…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:51:06am

I think the only thing we can do is continue to grow more diverse . The frustrating thing however is growing more diverse creates a backlash. It really amazes me that people whom could see through Reagan- Reagan lost Cambria County have become the foot soldiers of the 21st century GOP. A lot gets made about the Reagan Dems but a lot saw through him too. I still chuckle thinking about my own grandfather telling me that he never liked Reagan’s movies much or his acting.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:51:14am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They insist that if we just get rid of pesky government environmental, health and safety regulations, the well-paid jobs will come back (without the need of unions, of course)

now they’re admitting - barely 10 months in, that it wont happen under trump
theyre not getting the jobs. the paychecks, the food on the table
he lied to their faces
and they dont care that they were and still are being used

it’s stunning

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Dave In Austin  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:52:29am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:54:00am

re: #97 dangerman

now they’re admitting - barely 10 months in, that it wont happen under trump
theyre not getting the jobs. the paychecks, the food on the table
he lied to their faces
and they dont care that they were and still are being used

it’s stunning

It feels wrong to say but they’re hopeless to get to vote for us. We should support policies to help but they’re not going to be in our coalition. The WWC has left the Democrats like black people left the GOP but the difference is we still support policies that benefit them.

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Weaselone  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:55:41am

re: #96 HappyWarrior

I think the only thing we can do is continue to grow more diverse . The frustrating thing however is growing more diverse creates a backlash. It really amazes me that people whom could see through Reagan- Reagan lost Cambria County have become the foot soldiers of the 21st century GOP. A lot gets made about the Reagan Dems but a lot saw through him too. I still chuckle thinking ebony own grandfather telling me that he never liked Reagan’s movies much or his acting.

Is the diversity creating the backlash? It doesn’t seem like the places that have the most diversity are those where that backlash is strongest.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:58:16am

re: #100 Weaselone

Is the diversity creating the backlash? It doesn’t seem like the places that have the most diversity are those where that backlash is strongest.

I grew up as a minority in a neighborhood that was mostly black and Latino. My mom, a widow, could not afford to flee to the suburbs when the other white people left.

We later did, and that is where I found the people the most racist and bigoted.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:58:23am

re: #99 HappyWarrior

It feels wrong to say but they’re hopeless to get to vote for us. We should support policies to help but they’re not going to be in our coalition. The WWC has left the Democrats like black people left the GOP but the difference is we still support policies that benefit them.

yes i agree. the article goes to trump voters / his base. and i think it is just small enough to not matter…..if if if, we stay on our toes

i think you’re right about policies as well.
liberty (freedom to…and freedom from…) and justice for all .
imagine: “the dems/progs even help those who wont help themselves”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 5:59:30am

re: #100 Weaselone

Is the diversity creating the backlash? It doesn’t seem like the places that have the most diversity are those where that backlash is strongest.

That is a fair question. I think it’s the diversity as a whole that bothers them. But even those Rust Belt areas have seen some change in recent years.

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:07:51am

re: #21 jaunte

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Another Republican, hiding.

I saw my first post-primary Roy Moore (R) TV ad this morning. I have seen many Doug Jones (D) ads already. Yard signs - many more Jones than Moore (in my relatively well-to-do neighborhood). I suspect many Moore voters don’t want their neighbors knowing that they are deplorable.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:09:41am

yes rcp is an average - maybe like the olympics it manages to account for the aberrant highs and lows

trump hit his highest disapproval and widest spread on 8/14 57.4 and -20.0
today he is at 56.8 and -18.6

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:13:41am

re: #104 BlueSpotinAL

I saw my first post-primary Roy Moore (R) TV ad this morning. I have seen many Doug Jones (D) ads already. Yard signs - many more Jones than Moore (in my relatively well-to-do neighborhood). I suspect many Moore voters don’t want their neighbors knowing that they are deplorable.

Other end of Alabama here. The story is much the same. I know of 5 yard signs total in our town—all for Doug Jones. OTOH, there has been little or no media advertising from either side. After repeated meetings with Jones’ 3rd-string volunteer reps, there has been no sign of organized events. It’s possible the Dems are focusing totally on the urban concentrations.

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I cannot.  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:14:52am

YouTube comment thread, multiplied by femininsm, raised to the power of WH40K

“Remember, pointing out the need for more realistic and diverse representation is how you get in the door. Taking over the community and making it fit their ideology is how Feminists justify their status. And watching it all go downhill is how they get their kicks.”

You need better ventilation in your workspace, or you need to switch to decaf or something, because holy fuck that sounds bonkers.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:16:14am

it’s coming out, they ARE taking apples from a lot of people

New York Magazine (itals original, my bold)

The Republican Party’s “middle class tax cut” plan has a minor problem: It actually raises taxes on much of the middle class. Tax experts and progressive think tanks have been trumpeting this inconvenient truth for weeks. But now, Congress’s own Joint Committee on Taxation has confirmed this finding, making it far more difficult for Republicans to ignore.

According to the JCT, if the Republican plan passses, one-fifth of American households will pay higher taxes in 2027. While more middle-class families would be helped than hurt by the GOP plan, the fact that any will wind up forking over more money to Uncle Sam — while the super rich and corporate America collect trillions in benefits — is a political migraine for Trump & Co.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:16:17am

I think I need a chainsaw bayonet. Might help with my firewooding this year, while I am being attacked by zombies.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:17:28am

re: #108 dangerman

it’s coming out, they ARE taking apples from a lot of people

New York Magazine (itals original, my bold)

And not only does it not cut middle-class taxes, they will soon find themselves paying for a lot more things directly out-of-pocket, starting with health care…

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wheat-dogg  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:19:50am

re: #81 Shropshire Slasher

I like how Adam is scratching his head like some kind of dumbass: “You mean, this snake told you we should eat this thing? How’s that work?”

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wheat-dogg  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:21:39am

re: #80 HappyWarrior

I’ve never met anyone from that part of the world. But yeah it’s a mystery to me too. I’d love to learn more about their culture and foodie I am, try some of their cuisine.

Strangely (or not), I’m curious enough about Kazakhstan that I’m considering a trip there, because why not? It’s sorta nearby . //

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:23:45am

re: #109 Shropshire Slasher

I think I need a chainsaw bayonet. Might help with my firewooding this year, while I am being attacked by zombies.

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There were a rash of ‘possible modifications’ memes on the Twitters last night.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:24:39am

re: #112 wheat-dogg

Strangely (or not), I’m curious enough about Kazakhstan that I’m considering a trip there, because why not? It’s sorta nearby . //

I know a few emigres from Kazakhstan, mostly ethnic Germans who speak Russian.

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:26:18am

re: #106 Decatur Deb

Other end of Alabama here. The story is much the same. I know of 5 yard signs total in our town—all for Doug Jones. OTOH, there has been little or no media advertising from either side. After repeated meetings with Jones’ 3rd-string volunteer reps, there has been no sign of organized events. It’s possible the Dems are focusing totally on the urban concentrations.

Doug Jones campaign headquarters in Birmingham is very close to Cahaba Brewing. Very convenient.

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:26:28am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:31:19am

re: #86 HappyWarrior

They sadly have their prejudices that they vote on that keeps any disappointment away. The Politico article showed some ugly racism among the residents.

I”m from Western PA. I saw the hate rise when George Wallace started his 1964 campaign against Johnson. Once Wallace let it out of the bottle it ran wild in Pennsylvania. There are several blue havens in the four corners of the state but once you leave those blue corners the rest of the state is redder than Mississippi!

I know how the folks in Johnstown think because I’ve seen what right wing preachers, hate radio jocks like Jim Quinn and Fox News did to my family. All of them hated the N-Word President. They fell for the birther bullshit. And, sadly the reason they love Trump is because Trump kicks colored people, gays, lesbians, Muslims and liberals down.

I have nephews and nieces with disabled kids who refuse to sign up for Medicaid or buy health insurance because the “N-Word” president signed the law. And they sound just like the brainwashed guy in Johnstown who thought Obama was a lazy Oh, you know what N word that idiot wanted to say.

Apple wanted to build a call center in my home town. What did the residents do? They rose up against it. Why? Well, the preachers said they didn’t want a company that “promoted gays and lesbians” spreading their filth in the town. So the council rejected it. The preachers and the marks all rejoiced because they “would rather have Jesus than Satanic employers”.

My home town is economically dead. But they got Jesus and their guns…

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:31:26am
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sagehen  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:35:39am

re: #94 lawhawk

The dam is bursting on the Hollywood casting couch system and the systematic harassment/abuse of people who are incapable of defending themselves against such actions because they’re fearful their careers will be destroyed because of the power of those carrying out the abuse.

There are long-standing rumors that back when Arnold Schwarzenegger was first trying to make the move from bodybuilding (and that documentary) into actual movies he was “willing” to bend over the couch for any director, assistant director, casting director, publicist, agent, agent’s assistant, etc etc etc until he got enough famous enough not to have to do it anymore.

He’s never said anything about it… but if true, it would certainly explain why he didn’t think there was anything wrong with the way he abused multiple crew, extras, supporting cast’s wives and so on once he himself was in a position to fire anybody who’d dare complain.

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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:36:58am

re: #98 Dave In Austin

Thread

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:43:38am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:43:42am
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I cannot.  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:44:05am

Palmer Report goes after Snopes.

Who you putting money on?

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darthstar  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:46:04am
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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:55:35am

Hmmm…

A lot going on and we are sadly in such a different place then we were with the last administration.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:57:07am

re: #122 I Would Prefer Not To

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Something tells me that Kenyan official had a lot of contact with American Right Wing Pulpit Pimps!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:57:11am

re: #115 BlueSpotinAL

Doug Jones campaign headquarters in Birmingham is very close to Cahaba Brewing. Very convenient.

In the minutes since that last post, a fellow-traveller has dropped by, says she has seen a couple Jones ads on local broadcast TV. Emails from another, who is trying to plug our experienced activist cell into the Jones campaign, have turned plaintive. We have one month to start showing a pulse.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 6:58:36am

re: #122 I Would Prefer Not To

Homosexual lions “learned it from gay tourists.”

I would like to know who taught the homosexual dolphins…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:00:50am

re: #128 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would like to know who taught the homosexual dolphins…

Hey, ask Fappy!

Fappy The Anti-Masturbation Dolphin

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:02:48am

re: #30 wheat-dogg

I had good results with WordFence, pro. $150 a year. Took care of my pmwest.us when they struck.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:18:34am

re: #122 I Would Prefer Not To

Personally I say hats off to the gay tourists who were willing to fuck in front of lions.

ah. so the gay tourists werent in fact fucking the lions?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:23:15am

re: #131 dangerman

ah. so the gay tourists werent in fact fucking the lions?

those are gays I would not want to mess with

like the old joke:

What is ornerier than a pit bull terrier with aids?

-The guy who gave it to him!

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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:24:24am

Call me a heartless prick, but these assholes voted for the orange conman. Karma sucks. I don’t feel sorry for them.

Brenda Darlene Battle, a 55-year-old former Carrier worker who accepted a buy-out agreement earlier this year, told the New Yorker that the general feeling among employees is that Trump “blew smoke up our asses.”

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:24:59am

re: #100 Weaselone

Is the diversity creating the backlash? It doesn’t seem like the places that have the most diversity are those where that backlash is strongest.

No, the reaction to diversity is inversely proportional to the actual population diversity. But those places that are nearly all white still get to vote, and have an outsized influence due to gerrymandering and the EC.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:26:40am

re: #133 Dr. Matt

Call me a heartless prick, but these assholes voted for the orange conman. Karma sucks. I don’t feel sorry for them.

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We will need their votes.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:28:20am

re: #133 Dr. Matt

Call me a heartless prick, but these assholes voted for the orange conman. Karma sucks. I don’t feel sorry for them.

Brenda Darlene Battle, a 55-year-old former Carrier worker who accepted a buy-out agreement earlier this year, told the New Yorker that the general feeling among employees is that Trump “blew smoke up our asses.”

so brenda, what are you going to do about it?

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Kilroy was here  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:28:32am
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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:28:41am

re: #135 Decatur Deb

We will need their votes.

The 35% deplorables will always vote against their best interests.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:29:34am

re: #136 dangerman

so brenda, what are you going to do about it?

She will continue to vote for republicans. Only next time, she and her ilk will vote for even more vile and offensive candidates thinking THAT will make the difference.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:30:43am

Glenn Miller is making my morning

YouTube

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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:32:28am

Yikes!!!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:32:29am

re: #138 Dr. Matt

The 35% deplorables will always vote against their best interests.

Trump and Fox snowed a lot of vulnerable people who are not irredeemably deplorable. We can have a warm liberal glow, or we can have an electorate.

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:34:00am

re: #68 The Vicious Babushka

JFC on a barbed wire tightrope, talk about a straw man

Fox News ✔@FoxNews
.@AntonioSabatoJr: “Let’s try to get rid of every single gun in the world and see what happens - the bad guys will ALWAYS get the guns.”
8:11 AM - Nov 9, 2017

Damn, they had to clear the dust off of that line with a shovel. It has only been used since…well, since there was any discussion about gun laws.

Golden Moldie!

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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:34:32am

re: #142 Decatur Deb

Trump and Fox snowed a lot of vulnerable people who are not irredeemably deplorable. We can have a warm liberal glow, or we can have an electorate.

Personally, I won’t hold my breath waiting for them to learn their lesson and come around.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:35:02am

re: #135 Decatur Deb

We will need their votes.

Only after they figure it out on their own. We don’t need to waste any time going after them.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:35:06am

re: #144 Dr. Matt

Personally, I won’t hold my breath waiting for them to learn their lesson and come around.

80,000 votes.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:35:30am

re: #137 Kilroy was here

Epic trolling

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brilliant!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:36:08am

re: #145 Belafon

Only after they figure it out on their own. We don’t need to waste any time going after them.

Might figure it out a bit faster if they’re not demonized.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:37:56am

re: #141 JordanRules

I don’t even know where to begin with @realdonaldtrump’s CEQ nominee Kathleen Hartnett White—she outright rejects basic science.

she does not reject basic science, she just has no fucking idea what science is telling us…

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Dr. Matt  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:38:09am

re: #146 Decatur Deb

80,000 votes.

62,984,825 deplorables.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:40:35am

re: #148 Decatur Deb

Might figure it out a bit faster if they’re not demonized.

I’m gonna go one better: I’m going to ignore them.

We need every vote we can get. But it’s way more beneficial to go after the votes we can get. I suggest running women for office and against Trump. That seems to be getting people to vote.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:40:44am

re: #150 Dr. Matt

62,984,825 deplorables.

Some a lot more deplorable than others. Enough were just outside the reach of the HRC message. We need to do better.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:40:55am

re: #150 Dr. Matt

62,984,825 deplorables.

If we were to hold the election today, I am certain that that figure would be considerably lower: a lot of them were just people who hated Hillary so much they were willing to hand the country over to anyone with GOP in front of their name, and a lot of people simply hated Washington and politicians in general enough to hand things over to an outsider with no background of public service.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:41:50am

re: #151 Belafon

I’m gonna go one better: I’m going to ignore them.

We need every vote we can get. But it’s way more beneficial to go after the votes we can get. I suggest running women for office and against Trump. That seems to be getting people to vote.

Ignoring is better. Educating is best.

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sagehen  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:42:23am

Samantha Bee and superhero NY-AG Eric Schneiderman

Schneider-Man | November 8, 2017 Act 3 | Full Frontal on TBS

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:43:05am

re: #142 Decatur Deb

The 35% deplorables will always vote against their best interests

Trump and Fox snowed a lot of vulnerable people who are not irredeemably deplorable. We can have a warm liberal glow, or we can have an electorate.

yes
i think both these groups exist so both things are true.
the folks in the article i posted at #72 i think are lost because their thinking is non-rational. not worth the effort because there’s no strategy to get past irrational. i think they are unreachable and also not growing.

the people who got snowed/ bought in, arent happy and understand it, yes - they are definitely worth the time and trouble. folks like that maybe won’t get fooled again (h/t the who)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:43:08am

re: #151 Belafon

I’m gonna go one better: I’m going to ignore them.

We need every vote we can get. But it’s way more beneficial to go after the votes we can get. I suggest running women for office and against Trump. That seems to be getting people to vote.

Trump effectively motivated his base, while the perceived infighting and ratfucking that accompanied the Democratic primaries made a lot of people indifferent.

and apathy is the most effective form of voter suppression.

I think that the VA election also shows that DT is capable of motivating people on the other side of the fence now.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:44:23am

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Ignoring is better. Educating is best.

Sometimes, convincing people of something they don’t want to learn just never works. You can say it over and over, different ways, trying to counteract the very statement they made in response to your statement, but if they don’t want to hear it, they won’t.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:46:58am

re: #57 wheat-dogg

Quartz sent me this latest Quartz Obsession about cider. Contained within was this YouTube video by the Tempura Kidz. And now I shall share with you all, because it’s goofy — like a lot of Japanese music videos.

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Video

A commenter provided this English translation of the timeless Japanese lyrics:

You’re welcome.

Not a big vocaliod fan, but that’s kind of kawaii. Which I guess is the point.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:47:37am

re: #151 Belafon

I’m gonna go one better: I’m going to ignore them.

We need every vote we can get. But it’s way more beneficial to go after the votes we can get. I suggest running women for office and against Trump. That seems to be getting people to vote.

and so, yes i’ll add a third group to my #156

enlarge the pie.
the great mass of people that dont vote or arent registered.

it’s a much better marketing strategy than only targeting your competitor’s clients/customers

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:48:00am

re: #158 Belafon

Sometimes, convincing people of something they don’t want to learn just never works. You can say it over and over, different ways, trying to counteract the very statement they made in response to your statement, but if they don’t want to hear it, they won’t.

It’s a slow process. There are faster and less reliable ways, if you can accept the body count.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:48:32am

re: #61 wheat-dogg

Apples, as it turns out, originated in Kazakhstan, where they still grow wild.

atlasobscura.com

So, was the Garden of Eden located in Kazakhstan? Adam and Eve were some hardy souls, given the winters there.
//

Michael Pollan writes about that in Botany of Desire. Fascinating story.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:52:50am

re: #162 Barefoot Grin

Michael Pollan writes about that in Botany of Desire. Fascinating story.

he is a great writer, I really like what he wrote on how humans cannot physically eat much more than around a ton of food per year…and the lowest possible profit margin for the food industry is to sell us wholesome products that we prepare ourselves…

the highest profits to be made are from taking cheap, mass-produced agricultural products like wheat, corn and sugar, and combining them with some cheap chemical ingredients into processed food that is ready to eat or just has to be mixed together and/or warmed up…

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:55:35am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:57:25am

re: #164 Belafon

When people say they support a pol bc of promise he made, then still support when he breaks the promise, isn’t it possible that’s not why they liked him at all?

they like him because he hates the people they hate

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:57:30am

re: #162 Barefoot Grin

Michael Pollan writes about that in Botany of Desire. Fascinating story.

im a big fan.

eating basics in seven words:

Eat food. Not too much. Mostly Plants.

he then says: “If it requires a brand and ingredient list, it isn’t real food”

crystal clear

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 7:59:05am

re: #164 Belafon

When people say they support a pol bc of promise he made, then still support when he breaks the promise, isn’t it possible that’s not why they liked him at all?

yes
..or they’re rationalizing
..or compensating
..or covering
..or

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:00:42am

re: #164 Belafon

I think that can probably be distilled down to being Fox News addicts, living in an alternate universe where Trump is considered to be a great man.

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:00:48am

re: #127 Decatur Deb

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:01:30am

re: #164 Belafon

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See my comments above. Man I hate that my grandparents hometown has become the epicenter of Trump no matter whaters. My grandpa died eight years ago. I like to think he would have seen through Trump but he did have prejudices too but then again in many ways, he was very much his own man.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:02:26am

re: #168 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I think that can probably be distilled down to being Fox News addicts, living in an alternate universe where Trump is considered to be a great man.

Indeed. Take the interview with the guy who says that it’s not like Trump is always golfing when in fact as pointed out to him he is golfing and then he makes a remark how he’d never golf if he had a wife that looked like Melania.

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:03:38am

re: #155 sagehen

Samantha Bee and superhero NY-AG Eric Schneiderman

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I love Sam Bee.

And Schneiderman’s a good sport. What a great straight man.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:07:25am

re: #169 BlueSpotinAL

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:07:44am

re: #172 makeitstop

I love Sam Bee.

And Schneiderman’s a good sport. What a great straight man.

You guys for your AG too. We have a great one in Virginia in Herring. I really like Schneiderman. Seems like a great guy.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:08:26am

re: #170 HappyWarrior

See my comments above. Man I hate that my grandparents hometown has become the epicenter of Trump no matter whaters. My grandpa died eight years ago. I like to think he would have seen through Trump but he did have prejudices too but then again in many ways, he was very much his own man.

My parents will never vote for Republicans because of Reagan, but I have yet to get through to them on race.

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steve_davis  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:09:36am

re: #72 dangerman

Why Trump Will Never Lose His Supporters (goes to politico via electoral-vote.com

i’m quoting the entire electoral-vote exerpt and bolding some stuff. Clearly these people are lost. they are not rational. they are not redeemable nor politically turnable. and they are a small enough number to probably not matter if we stay mobilized.

still, holy moly:

It basically boils down to my old adage, that stupid people are stupid for a reason. Not because they woke up one day and thought it was good for career advancement.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:12:08am

re: #165 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they like him because he hates the people they hate

That’s a lot of it, but somewhat simplistic and not offering much course of action. If we write off a third of the nation unnecessarily, we delay ‘the day when man is not wolf to man’.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:12:20am

re: #175 Belafon

My parents will never vote for Republicans because of Reagan, but I have yet to get through to them on race.

I think my grandfather would have been the same way but then again, my grandmother in a few years has gone from sympathizing with Zimmerman and Darren Wilson to understanding BLM and supporting the NFL players kneeling. Grandma didn’t like Obama at first either but she ended being a huge admirer of his so maybe Grandpa would have turned out the same. Plus, I know he would have loved his Latina great granddaughter too and showed her the same love he did my brothers and I.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:12:43am

re: #168 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I think that can probably be distilled down to being Fox News addicts, living in an alternate universe where Trump is considered to be a great man.

…even as we starve

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:14:01am

re: #177 Decatur Deb

That’s a lot of it, but somewhat simplistic and not offering much course of action. If we write off a third of the nation unnecessarily, we delay ‘the day when man is not wolf to man’.

I don’t think we should write them off DD but our focus has to be otherwise at the moment. I’m all for listening to these people and supporting policies that will help them but a lot of them who unfortunately aer less than educated don’t want to hear about a lot of our issues. They’re bothered by the fact we support DREAMers. How do you reach people like that without dismissing the DREAMers.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:14:53am

re: #176 steve_davis

It basically boils down to my old adage, that stupid people are stupid for a reason. Not because they woke up one day and thought it was good for career advancement.

or to play word games, they’re stupid for no reason

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:15:13am

re: #179 dangerman

…even as we starve

They’re like the peasants in the Russian empire who thought the Czar cared about them and was just a big peasant. At least Nicholas though was sincere in his religious beliefs that he shared with his people though and not a frake like Trump is.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:15:21am

re: #180 HappyWarrior

I don’t think we should write them off DD but our focus has to be otherwise at the moment. I’m all for listening to these people and supporting policies that will help them but a lot of them who unfortunately aer less than educated don’t want to hear about a lot of our issues. They’re bothered by the fact we support DREAMers. How do you reach people like that without dismissing the DREAMers.

Gently.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:16:26am

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Gently.

I really think my former candidate Perriello had a lot of the right idea honestly. Addressing their issues and going into their communities while retaining our own integrity.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:17:55am

re: #181 dangerman

or to play word games, they’re stupid for no reason

“You go to the polls with the electorate you have, not the electorate you might want.”

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:19:35am

re: #185 Decatur Deb

“You go to the polls with the electorate you have, not the electorate you might want.”

yup

enlarge the pie!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:20:29am

re: #186 dangerman

yup

enlarge the pie!

My favorite political activity is registering voters at the colleges in the region.

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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:20:58am

Another GOP pol announces retirement.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:21:05am

re: #187 Decatur Deb

My favorite political activity is registering voters at the colleges in the region.

That’s a great thing you do.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:22:10am

re: #189 HappyWarrior

That’s a great thing you do.

Except when they thank you and tell you they’re voting Republican.

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:22:32am

Those are the wages of hanging with compromised people who are shady and corrupt as fuck. Stone hangs with everyone from Manafort (former biz partner) to Trump (longtime friend).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:23:31am

re: #190 Decatur Deb

Except when they thank you and tell you they’re voting Republican.

Agh. Need more American history classes with Eric Foner’s influence down tehre.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:24:16am
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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:24:33am

re: #187 Decatur Deb

My favorite political activity is registering voters at the colleges in the region.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:24:57am

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Agh. Need more American history classes with Eric Foner’s influence down tehre.

Don’t know Foner, but we need a better history.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:25:21am

re: #191 lawhawk

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I love it when someone like Stone who’s been involved in GOP presidential administrations for years acts like he’s just little old Roger Stone, victim of a great conspiracy. Oh and the pinstriped suit, not a good look, find a tailor who doesn’t make you look like a Roaring 20’s Gangster.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:26:53am
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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:27:17am

re: #191 lawhawk

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Those are the wages of hanging with compromised people who are shady and corrupt as fuck. Stone hangs with everyone from Manafort (former biz partner) to Trump (longtime friend).

remember the good old days when we avoided even the appearance of impropriety?

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:27:32am

re: #188 JordanRules

Another GOP pol announces retirement.

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That’s three this week!

Didn’t someone tweet out to expect a handful of resignations this week?

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wrenchwench  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:27:44am

re: #187 Decatur Deb

My favorite political activity is registering voters at the colleges in the region.

One of Mr. w’s first political activities after he got out of the Navy was to work for the right of college students to register and vote where they attended college, rather than be forced to retain their registration at their parents’ house and vote absentee. This was right around the time 18 yr olds attained that right. Way back before I met him.

Can’t take nothin for granted. Tell those kids!

/Mr. w hates it when college attendees are called ‘kids’.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:28:33am

re: #194 dangerman

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:29:51am

re: #201 Decatur Deb

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thx

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:30:04am

re: #200 wrenchwench

/Mr. w hates it when college attendees are called ‘kids’.

Why? They are kids. Americans start to act like adults when they’re 30-40 these days.

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wrenchwench  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:30:12am

re: #191 lawhawk

[Calls Mueller a “deep state executioner” and “deep state vigilante”]

Those are the wages of hanging with compromised people who are shady and corrupt as fuck. Stone hangs with everyone from Manafort (former biz partner) to Trump (longtime friend).

Just because HE’S over his head, he thinks it’s deep.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:31:12am

off to do some, ugh, work

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wrenchwench  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:32:02am

re: #203 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Why? They are kids. Americans start to act like adults when they’re 30-40 these days.

When you turn 18, shit gets real. For many people, it gets real earlier than that.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:32:24am

re: #203 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Why? They are kids. Americans start to act like adults when they’re 30-40 these days.

If you weren’t alive during the FDR administration, you’re a kid.

BBL

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Jay C  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:32:32am

re: #188 JordanRules

Another GOP pol announces retirement.

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So what does “key player on immigration policy” mean here? ISTM most Republican immigration policy amounts to “shut the door and lock it”, and kick out as many as possible (preferably with brutal enforcement) - while simultaneously ignoring whatever labor-exploitation is beneficial to their donor base. Or is (was?) Goodlatte one of the sane ones?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:33:20am

re: #206 wrenchwench

When you turn 18, shit gets real. For many people, it gets real earlier than that.

I had to get a job and keep a roof over my head at 18, but I was still a kid.

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wrenchwench  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:34:43am

re: #203 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Why? They are kids. Americans start to act like adults when they’re 30-40 these days.

Back then, there was a draft. I used to think it was ridiculous when 16 year olds worried about it. Then the war (and the draft) continued for a couple more years.

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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:36:39am

re: #208 Jay C

Per his wiki:

As House Judiciary Chairman for the 113th congress, Goodlatte has contrasted the House approach to immigration reform from the Senate by requiring that the various issues be taken on a piece-by-piece basis with an emphasis on both border and interior enforcement measures. So far the House Judiciary Committee has passed four immigration related bills:[16]

H.R. 2278, the “Strengthen and Fortify Enforcement Act” (The SAFE Act)[17]
H.R. 1773, the “Agricultural Guestworker Act”[18]
H.R. 1772, the “Legal Workforce Act”[19]
H.R. 2131, the “SKILLS Visa Act”[19]

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wrenchwench  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:37:42am

re: #209 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I had to get a job and keep a roof over my head at 18, but I was still a kid.

Mr. w moved out and had a job when he was 16. Three jobs when school was out. He’s 78 (I think) now, and he’s still a kid. You should see him with his kitty.

/He doesn’t even like his 10 yr old cat to be called a ‘kitty’

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:37:53am

re: #81 Shropshire Slasher

Photos at the time definitely shows an apple.

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That’s all well and good, just remember:

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:38:38am

Democrats passed Medicare and Medicaid. And whites turned against them because they also passed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts. A lot of those people and their children are still voting that way today. You can address their issues and they still won’t give a shit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:38:48am

re: #191 lawhawk

LOCK HIM UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Mike Lamb  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:40:28am

re: #176 steve_davis

It basically boils down to my old adage, that stupid people are stupid for a reason. Not because they woke up one day and thought it was good for career advancement.

These people aren’t just stupid…the ones in this story (at least) are virulent racists. But even if they were just stupid, when I read shit like “Trump doesn’t sleep until noon and golf like the last President”, all I can say is fuck them and fuck anyone that tells me I need to understand Trump voters.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:41:34am

re: #211 JordanRules

Per his wiki:

I think since Wolf retired, he became the most senior GOP Republican in the House. That seat isn’t going to be easy to win though. Yet another reason why it’s important to win the House though. Sensenbrenner would likely become House Judiciary Chair. If we were to flip it though, it would be John Conyers or Jerry Nadler.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:42:00am

re: #214 Belafon

Democrats passed Medicare and Medicaid. And whites turned against them because they also passed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts. A lot of those people and their children are still voting that way today. You can address their issues and they still won’t give a shit.

That’s right and that’s what Sanders doesn’t want to acknowledge.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:42:02am

re: #212 wrenchwench

Mr. w moved out and had a job when he was 16. Three jobs when school was out. He’s 78 (I think) now, and he’s still a kid. You should see him with his kitty.

/He doesn’t even like his 10 yr old cat to be called a ‘kitty’

In bad times people had to grow up a lot sooner, and some still do, but we’ve had it really easy for a long time, especially people who can afford to go to college. I went straight from high school to working for Sears at their headquarters, and worked my way up from supply clerk to a programmer, but I was a kid the whole time I worked at Sears.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:43:40am

re: #216 Mike Lamb

These people aren’t just stupid…the ones in this story (at least) are virulent racists. But even if they were just stupid, when I read shit like “Trump doesn’t sleep until noon and golf like the last President”, all I can say is fuck them and fuck anyone that tells me I need to understand Trump voters.

The “NFL joke” too. It’s so frustrating to me personally though because I have been to that very town and I have seen how kind the people can be but I find myself wondering how kind they’d be were I black or if I were anything but the white, non-Hispanic that I am.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:44:11am

And I sound like I’m blowing them off, but I will attempt to convince anyone within my hearing that they are getting facts wrong, and give them sources to look them up. I’m in one of the wealthiest counties in the state, though, and these people don’t care for a different reason: They don’t think it affects them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:46:00am

re: #221 Belafon

And I sound like I’m blowing them off, but I will attempt to convince anyone within my hearing that they are getting facts wrong, and give them sources to look them up. I’m in one of the wealthiest counties in the state, though, and these people don’t care for a different reason: They don’t think it affects them.

No, I understand you completely.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:49:16am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

No, I understand you completely.

I just don’t mind, and don’t think, that the party apparatuses need to waste most of their resources on hard to convince people. Work on the people should be voting, but don’t, and those that are obviously disillusioned.

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wrenchwench  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:50:40am

re: #219 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

In bad times people had to grow up a lot sooner, and some still do, but we’ve had it really easy for a long time, especially people who can afford to go to college. I went straight from high school to working for Sears at their headquarters, and worked my way up from supply clerk to a programmer, but I was a kid the whole time I worked at Sears.

Good times never include everyone. And some people can make the best of bad times. A good life always seems like a lot of work! Maybe i’m doing it wrong…

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darthstar  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:50:44am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:51:17am

There’s a lot of self-delusion that goes in to these people too. They see themselves as productive members of society but they see racial minorities as just mooching off the system. My Dad has this sorta friend. And he tells us that the guy thinks minorities do nothing but get welfare money and have multiple children by multiple men. The guy also is a raging sexist too. So these people, you know, they’re ignorant but they’re not really uneducated in the classic sense. Someone uneducated is willing to learn. Someone ignorant is unwilling to.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:51:41am

re: #223 Belafon

I just don’t mind, and don’t think, that the party apparatuses need to waste most of their resources on hard to convince people. Work on the people should be voting, but don’t, and those that are obviously disillusioned.

Absolutely.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:52:16am

re: #225 darthstar

Exactly how it worked in 2006 and 2008.

//

Edit: These people would rather retire than lose.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:53:03am

re: #228 Belafon

Exactly how it worked in 2006 and 2008.

Yep, that’s what we’re probably seeing here. The difference being the state of the economy(through that can always change) and Trump never had Bush’s zenith of popularity.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:53:36am

re: #112 wheat-dogg

Strangely (or not), I’m curious enough about Kazakhstan that I’m considering a trip there, because why not? It’s sorta nearby . //

One of my nieces served about three years there while in the Peace Corps

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:54:52am

re: #228 Belafon

Exactly how it worked in 2006 and 2008.

//

Edit: These people would rather retire than lose.

And they’re opening up the door not to moderation, but to the loons to replace them. Loons who think that Trumpism is not only a good thing to emulate, but that Trump doesn’t go far enough.

The extremists took over the GOP, and they’re continuing to move the GOP further to the right.

That too is a function of the gerrymandering of districts which means GOP (or Dem) controlled districts are likely to become more extreme in their views, rather than move towards the center in hopes of winning centrist/independent voters.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:55:18am

I think with a lot of these retiring GOPers. They see the writing on the wall. They know they’re going to be primaried or 2018 is going to be an anti-GOP wave.

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:57:32am

re: #225 darthstar

Is it the GOP strategy to forfeit 2018, hang Trump around the Democrats’ necks, then retake the house in 2020 with a primary challenger to unseat Trump?

Way too 3D chess for these numbskulls.

They’re running scared. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:58:23am

re: #231 lawhawk

And they’re opening up the door not to moderation, but to the loons to replace them. Loons who think that Trumpism is not only a good thing to emulate, but that Trump doesn’t go far enough.

The extremists took over the GOP, and they’re continuing to move the GOP further to the right.

Yep, that’s what’s going to happen. I mean I’m obviously not a fan of Flake’s but he will be replaced by someone much worse on the GOP ticket. We’ll win some of these seats but we won’t win all of them- not being cynical here, just pointing out basic math, so you have fairly sane GOPers leave, you get them replaced by people who are worse. And then you have committee chairs who will be replaced by someone with less seniority and who are more likely to be products of the GOP Wave of 2010. There will be no come to moderation moment for the GOP. I think in our lifetimes or at least not for another generation.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 8:59:36am

re: #233 makeitstop

Way too 3D chess for these numbskulls.

They’re running scared. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one.

Yes. I think with Goodlatte, it was more likely fear of a primary challenge though. He’s in I believe the most reliably Republican district in the state.

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:00:08am

re: #81 Shropshire Slasher

Photos at the time definitely shows an apple.

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Don’t trust those damn painters/artists. They were probably high on something and put apples in that painting to fool all of us.

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wrenchwench  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:02:56am

re: #236 ObserverArt

Don’t trust those damn painters/artists. They were probably high on something and put apples in that painting to fool all of us.

It wasn’t the apple in the tree, it was the pair on the ground.

/works better aloud where the spelling can be more ambiguous

/stolen so long ago, I can’t remember from where

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:03:26am
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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:03:26am

re: #236 ObserverArt

Don’t trust those damn painters/artists. They were probably high on something and put apples in that painting to fool all of us.

Big Apple was trying to crush the burgeoning fig industry.

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Jay C  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:08:05am

re: #225 darthstar

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SRS question: given the way Trump’s first year has worked out, and that things don’t look likely to improve much for 2018, how is the GOP likely to get away with “hang[ing] Trump around Democrats’ necks”? I’m sure they would TRY - but outside of the worst of the Deplorables, how much of the electorate is likely to fall for that transparent (and lame) attempt at blame-shifting?

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Dave In Austin  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:08:40am

My Congressman….

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:10:46am

re: #234 HappyWarrior

Yep, that’s what’s going to happen. I mean I’m obviously not a fan of Flake’s but he will be replaced by someone much worse on the GOP ticket. We’ll win some of these seats but we won’t win all of them- not being cynical here, just pointing out basic math, so you have fairly sane GOPers leave, you get them replaced by people who are worse. And then you have committee chairs who will be replaced by someone with less seniority and who are more likely to be products of the GOP Wave of 2010. There will be no come to moderation moment for the GOP. I think in our lifetimes or at least not for another generation.

Dear future GOP candidates,

I encourage you all to follow the Ed Gillespie model. Pledge your undying fealty to Trumpism, and take the most extreme positions you can think of. Load up your ads with anti-immigrant sentiments and scary visions of MS-13 and Antifa.

It’ll work like a champ. Trust me.

Sincerely,
makeitstop

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:12:13am

re: #242 makeitstop

Trumpworld can’t fail. It can only be failed.Trump says so, so it must be true.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:13:54am

Best gif’s ever down thread

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darthstar  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:15:05am

Freeway Blogger is getting busy again.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:18:28am

re: #244 Dave In Austin

Best gif’s ever down thread

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Uh no. Stop promoting Ivanka as normal.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:19:51am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

Uh no. Stop promoting Ivanka as normal.

It’s Samantha Bee. And to paraphrase a quote inside: We may be entering an era where dumb shits are popular. Someone else at the comedy event thinks it might be a Real Housewife.

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:19:56am

re: #109 Shropshire Slasher

I think I need a chainsaw bayonet. Might help with my firewooding this year, while I am being attacked by zombies.

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Looks like something Kragar would have for one of his badass models.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:21:56am

re: #247 Belafon

It’s Samantha Bee. And to paraphrase a quote inside: We may be entering an era where dumb shits are popular. Someone else at the comedy event thinks it might be a Real Housewife.

Ah okay.

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:23:40am

re: #117 Joe Bacon 🌹

I know how the folks in Johnstown think because I’ve seen what right wing preachers, hate radio jocks like Jim Quinn and Fox News did to my family. All of them hated the N-Word President. They fell for the birther bullshit. And, sadly the reason they love Trump is because Trump kicks colored people, gays, lesbians, Muslims and liberals down.

I have nephews and nieces with disabled kids who refuse to sign up for Medicaid or buy health insurance because the “N-Word” president signed the law. And they sound just like the brainwashed guy in Johnstown who thought Obama was a lazy Oh, you know what N word that idiot wanted to say.

Apple wanted to build a call center in my home town. What did the residents do? They rose up against it. Why? Well, the preachers said they didn’t want a company that “promoted gays and lesbians” spreading their filth in the town. So the council rejected it. The preachers and the marks all rejoiced because they “would rather have Jesus than Satanic employers”.

My home town is economically dead. But they got Jesus and their guns…

Just so long the liberals are upset with Trump, they are happy to die early. It’s that far out of reason and that bad.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:26:37am

re: #250 ObserverArt

Just so long the liberals are upset with Trump, they are happy to die early. It’s that far out of reason and that bad.

I can’t imagine being that miserable. I don’t want the policies I want because I want conservatives to be pisesd off. In fact, I’d like to see conservatives see that liberal policies do work and it might make them a little more liberal or open to what we believe in.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:30:33am
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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:36:39am

Lots of interesting discussion and stories from folks who haven’t been able to get verified in the replies. Even have the brand Steak-umms chiming in.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:40:10am

Everyone gets Verified!!

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:41:16am

re: #2 Targetpractice

election day 2016 and for the last year, well it’s been difficult to live through. dark, depressing. anxious, scary.

everyone wondering - is this the way things are going to be from now on?

my takeaway from election day 2017 is things don’t have to be like 2016

there is a way forward.
there’s probably more than one.

2016 is not the future

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:43:16am

re: #151 Belafon

I’m gonna go one better: I’m going to ignore them.

We need every vote we can get. But it’s way more beneficial to go after the votes we can get. I suggest running women for office and against Trump. That seems to be getting people to vote.

Or, if you are a male candidate, be sure to mention women’s issues a lot and be sincere about it.

I keep saying it…women have the power in this country. If they all get together no matter the color, background, orientation, etc., they can control the politics of this nation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:44:38am

re: #253 JordanRules

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Lots of interesting discussion and stories from folks who haven’t been able to get verified in the replies. Even have the brand Steak-umms chiming in.

are you bonified?

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darthstar  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:46:30am

re: #252 Dave In Austin

That’s cute.

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Jay C  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:47:24am

re: #251 HappyWarrior

I can’t imagine being that miserable. I don’t want the policies I want because I want conservatives to be pisesd off. In fact, I’d like to see conservatives see that liberal policies do work and it might make them a little more liberal or open to what we believe in.

Nice thought: but the main problem with that approach on a national-political level in this country is that “policies” are virtually an irrelevance to the hardest of hardcore “conservatives”* - partisan and ideological identifications seem to be far more of a cultural/tribal thing than a political analysis: and said tribe has been -for decades - marinating itself in a self-selecting media brine of hate and resentment: directed in no small part towards liberals (actually strawman caricature “libruls”, but the effect is the same) who that media have relentlessly painted as embodying everything that is Bad Wrong And Evil about America. And unfortunately, that hard core of righties is about 30% of the electorate. Which, given that the other 70% of voters are mainly apathetic or (usually) unmotivated, gives the Hate Tribe a significant political advantage.

*a term which also includes large numbers of reactionaries, extremists and outright bigots, along with genuine “conservatives”: hard to distinguish, though.

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:50:39am

re: #253 JordanRules

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Lots of interesting discussion and stories from folks who haven’t been able to get verified in the replies. Even have the brand Steak-umms chiming in.

I liked this one.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:52:05am

re: #259 Jay C

Nice thought: but the main problem with that approach on a national-political level in this country is that “policies” are virtually an irrelevance to the hardest of hardcore “conservatives”* - partisan and ideological identifications seem to be far more of a cultural/tribal thing than a political analysis: and said tribe has been -for decades - marinating itself in a self-selecting media brine of hate and resentment: directed in no small part towards liberals (actually strawman caricature “libruls”, but the effect is the same) who that media have relentlessly painted as embodying everything that is Bad Wrong And Evil about America. And unfortunately, that hard core of righties is about 30% of the electorate. Which, given that the other 70% of voters are mainly apathetic or (usually) unmotivated, gives the Hate Tribe a significant political advantage.

*a term which also includes large numbers of reactionaries, extremists and outright bigots, along with genuine “conservatives”: hard to distinguish, though.

Oh I’m just saying for what I believe in personally. I’m saying I don’t support things that I do because I want to piss off wingnuts. I want things that better the country and world. I agree with what you’re saying about wingnuts. I just think it’s sad and pathetic that they think about policy even policies that may hurt them, “Hey liberals hate it!” Then again, that’s years of FNC and Rush’s impact.

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stpaulbear  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:52:55am

re: #228 Belafon

Exactly how it worked in 2006 and 2008.

//

Edit: These people would rather retire than lose.

The kitchen is too damned hot!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:53:03am

OT but it feels so damn good to help someone who is working towards their citizenship. I really hope my SiL is living here when she gets naturalized. I want to attend one of these ceremonies.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:53:15am
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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:53:26am

re: #188 JordanRules

Another GOP pol announces retirement.

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A little chorus for the retirees quitters in the GOP…

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I’m gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:54:51am

re: #191 lawhawk

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Those are the wages of hanging with compromised people who are shady and corrupt as fuck. Stone hangs with everyone from Manafort (former biz partner) to Trump (longtime friend).

Not to worry. Donny will take care of him.

Bwahahahahahahaa…

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:55:44am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:55:57am

re: #264 FormerDirtDart

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I’d trust the Post’s record of journalistic accuracy over the paper who calls people “Renegade Jews.”

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:57:46am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 9:59:54am

re: #269 lawhawk

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Or associating themselves with Phil Robettson and his backass backwards views about teenage girls.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:05:04am

re: #269 lawhawk

Maybe Roy could consider this avenue in response to this information

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KGxvi  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:05:31am

re: #269 lawhawk

And here’s the story

Leigh Corfman says she was 14 years old when an older man approached her outside a courtroom in Etowah County, Ala. She was sitting on a wooden bench with her mother, they both recall, when the man introduced himself as Roy Moore.

It was early 1979 and Moore — now the Republican nominee in Alabama for a U.S. Senate seat — was a 32-year-old assistant district attorney. He struck up a conversation, Corfman and her mother say, and offered to watch the girl while her mother went inside for a child custody hearing.

And then it gets into the creepy part.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:05:55am

And. Here. We. Go….

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KGxvi  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:06:56am

re: #272 KGxvi

re: #273 Ace-o-aces

From the article, it wasn’t a one time thing, either:

Aside from Corfman, three other women interviewed by The Washington Post in recent weeks say Moore pursued them when they were between the ages of 16 and 18 and he was in his early 30s, episodes they say they found flattering at the time, but troubling as they got older. None of the women say that Moore forced them into any sort of relationship or sexual contact.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:07:24am
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:09:22am

re: #274 KGxvi

From the article, it wasn’t a one time thing, either:

Or a one-girl thing—three others between 16 and 18 at the time.

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:09:23am

re: #197 FormerDirtDart

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Cute picture of the sand pupper.

Saw this earlier on the Today Show. The service doggie, Charlie, they have been training got to meet his new military owner.

Iframe

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jaunte  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:09:33am

re: #272 KGxvi

And here’s the story

And then it gets into the creepy part.

According to colleagues and others who knew him at the time, Moore was rarely seen socializing outside work. He spent one season coaching the Gallant Girls, a softball team that his teenaged sister had joined, said several women who played on the team. He spent time working out at the Gadsden YMCA, according to people who encountered him there. And he often walked, usually alone, around the newly opened Gadsden Mall — 6 feet tall and well-dressed in slacks and a button-down shirt, say several women who worked there at the time.

RED FLAG.

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CongoJack  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:10:33am

Got an alert on my phone:
iHeartRadio has all the biggest Podcasts. Here’s one we think you’ll like, The Ben Shapiro Show

Is that the same Ben Shapiro who is a RWNJ? How the hell would they even think I wanted to listen to that guy. The only reason I have the app is to listen to Stephanie Miller in the AM as I work.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:10:45am

Jeezus. Can’t these guys just be mere assholes instead of creepy assholes? I’m being tongue in cheek there but man I hope this ruins Moore.

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KGxvi  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:11:28am

The Post is adapting to the new Trumpian denial game. They explain in detail how they discovered and developed the story, making clear this isn’t some evil DNC smear attack.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:11:31am

re: #279 CongoJack

Got an alert on my phone:
iHeartRadio has all the biggest Podcasts. Here’s one we think you’ll like, The Ben Shapiro Show

Is that the same Ben Shapiro who is a RWNJ? How the hell would they even think I wanted to listen to that guy. The only reason I have the app is to listen to Stephanie Miller in the AM as I work.

I’m not sure. Probably. I can’t stand that guy either. He’s why my one friend has become such a big wingnut since he goes along with Ben’s transohobic bs.

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jaunte  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:11:45am
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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:13:27am

re: #272 KGxvi

And here’s the story

And then it gets into the creepy part.

Surprise, surprise, another ‘righteous’ Republican with short eyes.

Now…is this enough to get the voters to say ‘Hell, no?’

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jaunte  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:14:21am
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Kilroy was here  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:14:59am

This story about Moore…

Things that won’t be mentioned on Fox News for $500 Alex…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:15:10am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

I’d invite you to mine if you lived closer.

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jaunte  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:15:34am

NRA members are about to run out and stockpile Mateus Rosé.

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jaunte  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:21:47am

13 actions Gowdy will try to avoid taking.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:22:16am

re: #283 jaunte

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If this was a Democratic politician and the parties involved were of the same sex.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:24:00am

re: #287 Eclectic Cyborg

I’d invite you to mine if you lived closer.

Thanks. I’ve always wanted to see one. All my immediate family were citizens by birth and my mom’s grandparents got naturalized long before her parents were born and the same thing with my Dad’s grandfather. It’s pretty neat to think. My niece is the first American born person on her mom’s side but on her dad’s, my brother’s side, the first person we have naturalized was in 1803.

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TedStriker  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:24:46am

re: #288 jaunte

NRA members are about to to run out and stockpile Mateus Rosé.

“I get juiced on Mateus and just hang loose.”

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jaunte  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:27:13am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:28:05am

Apparently there’s a big NYT story coming on Louis CK. As I just said to some triends. This stuff transcends ideology, geography, sexuality, etc. It makes me sad though because this isn’t new. It’s only now that people feel comfortable talking about this sort of thing.

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jaunte  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:28:15am
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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:28:59am

re: #294 HappyWarrior

Good. His gross stuff has definitely been out there.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:29:20am

re: #295 jaunte

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Pres: Donald J. Trump
Vice Pres: Michael R. Pence

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JordanRules  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:29:33am

Ratio’d!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:29:44am

re: #294 HappyWarrior

Apparently there’s a big NYT story coming on Louis CK. As I just said to some triends. This stuff transcends ideology, geography, sexuality, etc. It makes me sad though because this isn’t new. It’s only now that people feel comfortable talking about this sort of thing.

I heard that weeks ago, but so far, nothing.

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jeffreyw  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:29:58am

Stir fry is never as good the next day. Tossed in a few dumplings to take the edge off.

Imgur

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allegro  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:30:02am

re: #294 HappyWarrior

Apparently there’s a big NYT story coming on Louis CK. As I just said to some triends. This stuff transcends ideology, geography, sexuality, etc. It makes me sad though because this isn’t new. It’s only now that people feel comfortable talking about this sort of thing.

Women have been talking about it for eons. And talking. And talking….

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sagehen  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:30:17am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Jeezus. Can’t these guys just be mere assholes instead of creepy assholes? I’m being tongue in cheek there but man I hope this ruins Moore.

It’s Alabama; would I sound like a yankee elitist if I suggested that maybe they think 14 is plenty old enough (and well-educated enough) for a girl to be lookin’ for a baby daddy?

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:30:20am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:30:26am

re: #296 JordanRules

Good. His gross stuff has definitely been out there.

Yeah it’s my understanding that this was an open secret for years in the industry. This one honestly makes me kind of sad not just because I like Louis’s comedy but because he seemed like a good dad and despite his divorce from his daughters’ mother tried to make it work. Agh. Who knows what other creeps are lurking in plain sight?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:30:43am

re: #299 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I heard that weeks ago, but so far, nothing.

Ah okay.

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:31:12am

re: #299 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

New film premiere canned on word of a soon to drop NYT story.

The Orchard has canceled Thursday’s New York premiere of Louis C.K.’s controversial new film “I Love You, Daddy.”

“Due to unexpected circumstances, tonight’s event for ‘I Love You, Daddy’ has been cancelled,” the distribution company said in an email. “On behalf of The Orchard, please accept our apologies. We’re incredibly sorry for any inconvenience.​​​​”

The event was to be held at the Paris Theatre.

The New York Times is understood to be working on a story about C.K. and allegations of sexual harassment, so the cancellation could be a precautionary measure.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:31:16am

re: #303 FormerDirtDart

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Gary let the cat ouf of the bag. No wonder why he won’t be Fed Chair.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:31:44am

re: #264 FormerDirtDart

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roy moore:

another pig.

you support a pig, you’re a pig

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:32:06am

re: #302 sagehen

It’s Alabama; would I sound like a yankee elitist if I suggested that maybe they think 14 is plenty old enough (and well-educated enough) for a girl to be lookin’ for a baby daddy?

I don’t think you would given that the one young woman’s mother told her “She’d be the luckiest girl in the world” if a then 34 year old Roy Moore asked her.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:32:32am

You know, who’s never been accused of mistreating women. Obama.

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jaunte  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:32:48am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

Pres: Donald J. Trump
Vice Pres: Michael R. Pence

Place your bets!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:33:14am

re: #306 lawhawk

That’s more convincing. It seems like just about anyone who gets power abuses it, and will get worse and worse until they’re exposed. I’ve never felt so good about being powerless.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:33:17am

re: #269 lawhawk

Don’t expect the GOP to flee from this either. They had no problem electing admitted sex predator to WH, or incompetent judge to bench 2x (Moore himself)

you support a pig, you’re a pig.

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BlackPearl  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:33:40am

re: #309 HappyWarrior

She was 17/18 at the time. Still ick, but legal.

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:33:49am

re: #157 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

TrumpFOX effectively motivated his base, while the perceived infighting and ratfucking that accompanied the Democratic primaries made a lot of people indifferent.

and apathy is the most effective form of voter suppression.

I think that the VA election also shows that DT is capable of motivating people on the other side of the fence now.

I understand the schadenfreude when seeing Trump voters suffer for their choice. I also understand the desire to redeem the ones who might realise their mistake.

Neither of these is relevant, though. What is relevant is how much cult media they consume. They may be furious at everything Trump does, but if they consume cult media in the months and weeks leading up to any election, they will turn out and vote as they are told. They might tell you to your face every day that they’ve learned, that they realise how awful Trump is now, but if they continue to consume, they will do exactly what they are told to do. To change their vote, they must be deprogrammed. Nothing else will work.

The effect of mainstream media voter suppression through apathy and constant negative messaging about Democrats is also powerful. That, however, might be able to be changed, because mainstream media does not have the same tight message discipline as cult media does. Diminishing that effect and turning out the majority that consume mainstream media is the key to winning these elections. But doing so will involve overcoming or undermining the automatic response of mainstream media to report on whatever cult media tells it to. That’s the difficult part.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:35:41am

re: #314 BlackPearl

She was 17/18 at the time. Still ick, but legal.

Oh I know. I’m not a parent but I don’t think any of the parents here would want their senior in high school children dating someone in their 30’s. It’s perhaps one thing if a high school senior is dating a college freshman or even sophomore. Plus, it’s the hypocrisy. Do we really think Moore, holy thou that he is would be quiet if this had come out about a prominent Democrat or forbid if the two parties were of the same gender.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:36:48am

re: #311 jaunte

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Place your bets!

I tried scrolling down to reply to Trump’s tweet, but it was too far down the list. The man can’t shut his Tweet-hole for even a minute.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:37:13am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:37:23am

re: #286 Kilroy was here

This story about Moore…

Things that won’t be mentioned on Fox News for $500 Alex…

It will be mentioned at some point in the context of a “smear campaign by the Soros-funded, deep-state, terror-sympathetic left-wing conspiracy”.

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Kilroy was here  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:37:42am

re: #311 jaunte

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Place your bets!

No way.. this is to mild of behavior for Trump to even notice.

No grabbing them by the….

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:37:46am

re: #302 sagehen

It’s Alabama; would I sound like a yankee elitist if I suggested that maybe they think 14 is plenty old enough (and well-educated enough) for a girl to be lookin’ for a baby daddy?

part of the ‘culture’ they’re trying to protect?
you know, along with confederate war statues and other quaint institutions

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Skip Intro  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:38:21am
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EPR-radar  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:38:44am

re: #117 Joe Bacon 🌹


My home town is economically dead. But they got Jesus and their guns…

Someone once said something about such people clinging bitterly to their guns and religion, and was savaged in the mainstream media for it.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:39:46am

re: #303 FormerDirtDart

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No matter what they call it, it always boils down to trickle down. Voodoo economics, if you will. And just as time and time again, it will never trickle down. The rich have a BIG ASS rain barrel (off-shore accounts) to hold all that excess trickle.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:40:10am

re: #323 EPR-radar

Someone once said something about such people clinging bitterly to their guns and religion, and was savaged in the mainstream media for it.

He was right. He’s still right.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:40:59am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:41:10am

re: #325 HappyWarrior

He was right. He’s still right.

You get in a lot of trouble if you tell the truth about backward people.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:41:30am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:41:49am

re: #327 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You get in a lot of trouble if you tell the truth about backward people.

It’s better to infantize them than to treat them like grown ups who have made their own choices.

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:42:27am

re: #327 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You get in a lot of trouble if you tell the truth about backward people.

Only because the American media will do everything it its considerable power to protect the tender feelings of such backward people, if they’re white.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:42:38am

re: #326 Ace-o-aces

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WHY WON’T HILLARY CONDEMN ROY MOORE. Next from Chris Cilliza.

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EPR-radar  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:43:12am

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Ignoring is better. Educating is best.

To a deplorable, being demonized and being vigorously educated with a clue-by-four are likely to seem indistinguishable.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:44:13am

re: #330 Renaissance_Man

Only because the American media will do everything it its considerable power to protect the tender feelings of such backward people, if they’re white.

I mean I’m glad we’re concerned about the opoid problem but there was none of this in the 80’s when the crack problem was hurting African-American communities.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:44:21am

I haven’t had a flu vaccination since 2002.
You other people better not get me sick

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:45:49am

re: #334 FormerDirtDart

I haven’t had a flu vaccination since 2002.

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Inadequate is better than none. To protect the elderly who can die from the flu, as many people as possible need to be vaccinated.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:45:55am
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Kragar  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:45:56am

re: #248 ObserverArt

Looks like something Kragar would have for one of his badass models.

How many do you need? You can get a pack of 6 chainsaw bayonets for about $3.

Chainsaw Bayonets

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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:46:17am
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mmmirele  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:47:35am

re: #318 HappyWarrior

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:48:02am

re: #336 Ace-o-aces

If only someone had put up a giant statue of the 10 commandments, Roy Moore would have known not to molest a 14 year-old girl.

why? she was no neighbor’s wife!

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:48:05am
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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:48:07am
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Charles Johnson  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:48:08am
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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:48:39am

re: #331 HappyWarrior

WHY WON’T HILLARY CONDEMN ROY MOORE. Next from Chris Cilliza.

WHY HASN’T HILLARY BEEN CONDEMNING ROY MOORE ALL ALONG?

(just helping out)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:49:13am

re: #334 FormerDirtDart

I haven’t had a flu vaccination since 2002.
You other people better not get me sick

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I haven’t had one in years. The one time I did, was the one and only time I’ve projectile vomited.

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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:49:25am

re: #343 Charles Johnson

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:49:26am

re: #339 mmmirele

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:50:15am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:50:24am

re: #340 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

why? she was no neighbor’s wife!

I don’t recall any mention of the neighbor’s daughter, but that probably fell under coveting his possessions.

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:50:53am

re: #319 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It will be mentioned at some point in the context of a “smear campaign by the Soros-funded, deep-state, terror-sympathetic left-wing conspiracy”.

“That’s how it was done back then.”

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lawhawk  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:51:33am

re: #344 dangerman

Soon to be followed by “why is Hillary even speaking since no one wants to hear from her and oh boy is she dividing the nation with her comments).

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:52:53am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:53:17am

re: #348 Kragar

They should be scanning all the profile pics for swastikas, and working through their followers and follows to root out every open Nazi on Twitter.

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teleskiguy  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:53:36am

Blast from the past.

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:53:39am
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Alephnaught  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:54:11am

re: #331 HappyWarrior

WHY WON’T HILLARY CONDEMN ROY MOORE. Next from Chris Cilliza.

HILLARY CONDEMNS MOORE, POLITICIZES TRAGEDY! TYPICAL SJW! Chris Cilliza, next iteration.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:54:23am

re: #352 Kragar

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:54:34am
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:54:36am
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Kragar  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:55:36am
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:56:15am
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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:56:52am

help a brother out

im not gonna read any of this roy moore stuff
i just wont

is there any indication why this is only coming out now?

or has it been percolating at the state level before now?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:58:28am

Lre: #360 Kragar

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If that’s what Lumpy wants to take out of the biggest GOP gubernatorial loss in Va since 1985, go for it, Lumpy, tell the faithful nothing is wrong.

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Kragar  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:58:46am
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:59:05am
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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:59:47am

re: #302 sagehen

It’s Alabama; would I sound like a yankee elitist if I suggested that maybe they think 14 is plenty old enough (and well-educated enough) for a girl to be lookin’ for a baby daddy?

It happened in the 70s too. Not excusing, but the thinking was still pretty old time country back then compared to today.

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BlackPearl  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:59:51am

re: #362 dangerman

The Post author heard some rumors when she was in AL interviewing pro-Moore people. The girl who was 14 had been upset about it since her 20s and thought about confronting him, but knew she was “no angel” and didn’t want the hassle. Apparently the reporter found all these women - they didn’t come to her.

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darthstar  Nov 9, 2017 • 10:59:57am

I saw a tweet from Posobiec saying we should give Moore time and have an investigation.

Just muted the fucker.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:00:09am

re: #364 Kragar

By investing in public programs such as education, healthcare, clean energy, and other programs, Americans are investing in the future. The GOP is trying to kill it.

healthcare, education and clean energy R&D are not investments, they are operating expenses, which need to be trimmed to a minimum to increase profits. that’s what our Businessman-in-Chief is telling us

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:00:14am

re: #365 FormerDirtDart

Obviously, then, there can’t be a pee tape. //

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:01:09am

re: #365 FormerDirtDart

NEW: Longtime Trump bodyguard tells Congress that Pres. Trump was offered to have 5 women sent to his hotel room before the Miss Universe Pageant in Russia in 2013, but it was viewed as a joke and turned down, sources say.

useless and irrelevant distraction, whether it is true or not

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ObserverArt  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:03:40am

re: #310 HappyWarrior

You know, who’s never been accused of mistreating women. Obama.

R…E…S…P-E-C-T

Find out what it means to me.

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Alephnaught  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:03:48am

re: #359 FormerDirtDart

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Oh my goodness, according to Sky News over here in the UK (Note: Murdoch owned TV channel), the allegations name Charlie Sheen as the assailant against Cory Hain.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:04:25am

re: #364 Kragar

Paul Ryan ✔ @PRyan
#RT if you want to keep more of what you earn instead of sending it to Washington.
Kragar @Kragar_LGF
By investing in public programs such as education, healthcare, clean energy, and other programs, Americans are investing in the future. The GOP is trying to kill it.

he’s talking to the 1%

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:05:09am

Sorry, but I think Clinton being connected to an international child sex ring, run out of the basement of a pizzeria, with connected tunnels running throughout DC is maybe just a whee bit more outlandish

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:05:19am

re: #357 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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MolestAGainandAgain?

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:05:50am

re: #365 FormerDirtDart

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c’mon NBC - the story is all five at once or one at a time?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:06:14am

re: #375 FormerDirtDart

Sorry, but I think Clinton being connected to an international child sex ring, run out of the basement of a pizzeria, with connected tunnels running throughout DC is maybe just a whee bit more outlandish

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Oh please Roy.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:06:35am

re: #370 Belafon

Obviously, then, there can’t be a pee tape. //

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:06:55am

re: #362 dangerman

help a brother out

im not gonna read any of this roy moore stuff
i just wont

is there any indication why this is only coming out now?

or has it been percolating at the state level before now?

My guess is women may be feeling more empowered to tell their stories.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:07:04am

re: #367 BlackPearl

The Post author heard some rumors when she was in AL interviewing pro-Moore people. The girl who was 14 had been upset about it since her 20s and thought about confronting him, but knew she was “no angel” and didn’t want the hassle. Apparently the reporter found all these women - they didn’t come to her.

thanks. now i dont have to take a shower

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Belafon  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:08:03am

re: #362 dangerman

From what I’ve gathered, the Washington Post did an investigation and is releasing it.

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:08:53am

re: #368 darthstar

I saw a tweet from Posobiec saying we should give Moore time and have an investigation.

Just muted the fucker.

investigation?
heck the justice system is a joke!

allegations are more than enough
guantanamo or off with his head. no delays!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:10:06am

re: #380 Big Beautiful Door

My guess is women may be feeling more empowered to tell their stories.

Despite the election of a pig-President. The MAGA assholes can’t keep women silent.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:11:21am

re: #365 FormerDirtDart

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This story will change to “laughed about it, but settled on two.”

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darthstar  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:12:08am
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makeitstop  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:12:13am

re: #385 Barefoot Grin

This story will change to “laughed about it, but settled on two.”

Or ‘waited until Schiller went to bed and called back.’

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:13:18am

Interesting choice of words.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:13:25am

re: #375 FormerDirtDart

Sorry, but I think Clinton being connected to an international child sex ring, run out of the basement of a pizzeria, with connected tunnels running throughout DC is maybe just a whee bit more outlandish

so this was a set up to allow him to come out swinging and presenting himself as the offended party

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:14:13am

re: #379 FormerDirtDart

In a statement, Schiller’s lawyer said “the versions of Mr. Schiller’s testimony being leaked to the press are blatantly false and misleading

it was only 4. no wait, 6.

or they actually were invited up…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:15:27am

re: #355 Kragar

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dangerman  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:17:23am

re: #380 Big Beautiful Door

My guess is women may be feeling more empowered to tell their stories.

yes. im seeing that now.

from the campaign chair: “if any of these allegations were true, they would have been made public long before now.”

that’s some kind of ironclad logic there.

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sagehen  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:29:08am

re: #375 FormerDirtDart

Sorry, but I think Clinton being connected to an international child sex ring, run out of the basement of a pizzeria, with connected tunnels running throughout DC is maybe just a whee bit more outlandish

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Also, Jade Helm.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:31:33am

re: #393 sagehen

Also, Jade Helm.

Well, Jade Helm wasn’t really an attack on a candidate So, it wouldn’t qualify in this case

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 9, 2017 • 11:45:41am

re: #362 dangerman

is there any indication why this is only coming out now?

or has it been percolating at the state level before now?

Weinstein effect. The floodgates are open.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2017 • 11:47:52am

BlueSpot in AL

re: #169 re: #173 Decatur Deb

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Deadpool’s “Wet on Wet” Teaser After surviving a near fatal bovine attack, a disfigured cafeteria chef (Wade Wilson) struggles to fulfill his dream of becoming Mayberry’s hottest bartender while also learning to cope with his lost sense of taste. Searching to regain his spice ...
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Voice of America Reporter Outed as Alt-Right However, using information Fatzick himself posted on Reddit — including his age, girlfriend’s name, former employers, friends, location, educational background, and sports affiliations — this reporter was able to tie the vile posts of UncleSam4200 to the Voice of ...
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Gary Clark Jr - Come Together (Official Music Video) [From the Justice League Movie Soundtrack] Official Video for "Come Together" by Gary Clark Jr. featured in the Justice League Movie trailer. In theaters November 17th 2017.Directed by Kris Merc Get the song now at garyclarkjr.com Check out the Justice League soundtrack here: lnk.to Follow ...
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Kimbra - Top of the World (Official Music Video)New from Kimbra The new single Top of the World is available now on Apple Music, Spotify, Google Play, and more. Get the single here - kmbra.me The new studio album Primal Heart out wwide January 19th, 2018Preorder now - ...
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The Barr Brothers - Song That I Heard (Live on KEXP) kexp.org presents The Barr Brothers performing "Song That I Heard" live at Breakglass Studios during POP Montreal 2017. Recorded September 16, 2017. Audio Engineer: James BenjaminCameras: Jim Beckmann, Ian Cameron & Scott HolpainenEditor: Jim Beckmann kexp.orgpopmontreal.combreakglass.ca With support from ...
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Left Cries Foul, but Electoral College Prevents Tyranny of the Majority I'm speechless...this is what we have to fight against: Image: constitution-1486010_960_720.jpg Author: Paul Jenkins(Paul Jenkins is editor of the anchoragedailyplanet.com, a division of Porcaro Communications) The political left and its mouthpiece, The New York Times, are still fuming over ...
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Tune-Yards - Look at Your Hands (Official Video) 'Look at Your Hands' by Tune-Yards. New album 'I can feel you creep into my private life' is released January 19th 2018: smarturl.it Video by Michael SpeedFootage by Marisa Gesualdi & Jennifer SommerAdditional photos by Nate Brenner, Ginger Fierstein ...
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Beck Performing ‘Up All Night’ Live on KCRW Watch / Listen to the full session here: kcrw.com Beck has always been a chameleon and his latest Colors finds him returning to the incredibly upbeat songs that drove earlier albums like Odelay and Guero. This performance, recorded at ...
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Thundercat Performs ‘Them Changes’ With Jon Batiste & Stay Human Bass-man and musical wunderkind Thundercat sits in with the Late Show house band to perform this track off his latest album 'Drunk.' Subscribe To "The Late Show" Channel HERE: bit.lyFor more content from "The Late Show with Stephen Colbert", ...
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Andrew Bird & St Vincent Soirée De Poche #9 | Subscribe for more: bit.ly Shot in Paris in April 2009 Setlist: Part 1 - Andrew Bird00:53 - Effigy05:29 - Tenuousness09:04 - Natural Disasters Part 2 - St Vincent & Andrew Bird (from 15:00)16:00 - What Me Worry22:27 - ...
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