The Bob Cesca Show: Disruption

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Disruption: Not Safe For Work; Buzz Burbank from Buzz Burbank News and Comment is here today; Jeff Sessions lies to Congress again; Trump fatigue returns; Chris Murphy’s alarming remarks about Trump and Nukes; Don Junior colluded with Wikileaks to release stolen emails; Trump vouches for Putin again; Trump vs the Intelligence Community; Trump wants DOJ to investigate Hillary; Pompeo contradicts Trump; How Roy Moore could lead to the firing of Mueller; and much more.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:03:08pm
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jeffreyw  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:03:35pm

Penne. Your thoughts?

Imgur

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dangerman  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:04:09pm

re: #2 jeffreyw

Penne. Your thoughts?

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I love and hate you

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JordanRules  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:07:33pm

re: #2 jeffreyw

Nom is my thought. My next thought is also nom.

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teleskiguy  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:13:37pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:14:25pm

re: #2 jeffreyw

Penne. Your thoughts?

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Penne From Heaven

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:15:48pm
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Dave In Austin  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:16:31pm

re: #2 jeffreyw

Lasagna is almost ready.

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whitebeach  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:17:37pm

re: #2 jeffreyw

Penne. Your thoughts?

[Embedded content]

Needs moar. That’s all.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:18:31pm

Today is the 131st anniversary of the hole punch. Google has a doodle up for that today.

Here in Nebraska, Jane Raybould is an Omaha Democrat running to try and take Senator Deb Fischer’s seat.

She put out a campaign E-mail today condemning Deb Fischer for supporting Roy Moore in Alabama. (She also says she is splitting off part of her campaign fund to help Doug Jones, and is encouraging Democrats here to do the same.)

janeraybould.com

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:18:49pm

re: #7 FormerDirtDart

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scottslemmons  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:19:21pm

re: #5 teleskiguy

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The replies to Craig are wonderful. :)

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:21:08pm

Jane Raybould is an Omaha Democrat running to unseat Senator Deb Fischer next year.

She just sent out an E-mail fundraiser condemning Roy Moore, and Deb Fischer for supporting him.

She notes she will split off part of her campaign fund to help Doug Jones in Alabama, and encouraged Nebraska Democrats to kick in to Mr. Jones’s campaign as well.

janeraybould.com

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TedStriker  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:21:12pm
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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:23:05pm

re: #14 TedStriker

And I can only hear “Don’t Come to My Show Asshole” in 4 part CSN & Y harmony.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:24:38pm

Okay, the double post came because something is behaving weirdly here. (I don’t know if it’s the site or my computer.)

I posted the first message above and clicked on “Post It.” The window immediately went to the front page of LGF.

I posted the (approximate) same message again, and the same thing happened. I expect it will do that again when I post this.

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TedStriker  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:26:23pm

re: #15 lawhawk

And I can only hear “Don’t Come to My Show Asshole” in 4 part CSN & Y harmony.

That’d sound sweet as hell…

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Scout  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:27:22pm

re: #17 TedStriker

That’d sound sweet as hell…

You could almost sing it to the tune of ‘four dead in Ohio.’

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:28:09pm

re: #15 lawhawk

And I can only hear “Don’t Come to My Show Asshole” in 4 part CSN & Y harmony.

“Find the Cost of Freedom”…

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:32:41pm

re: #2 jeffreyw

Penne. Your thoughts?

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“Pene” is Italian for “dick”. Just my thought.

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JordanRules  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:33:15pm

Run Mo-rest run!

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Kilroy was here  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:34:10pm

‘Why aren’t the other hands up?’ A top Trump adviser’s startling response to CEOs not doing what he’d expect

President Trump’s top economic adviser, Gary Cohn, looked out from the stage at a sea of CEOs and top executives in the audience Tuesday for the Wall Street Journal’s CEO Council meeting. As Cohn sat comfortably onstage, a Journal editor asked the crowd to raise their hands if their company plans to invest more if the tax reform bill passes.

Very few hands went up.

Cohn looked surprised. “Why aren’t the other hands up?” he said.

washingtonpost.com

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:34:34pm

re: #1 Ace-o-aces

Some brilliant snark on that post. Is there any grain of truth to the underlying “Alabama robocall” story?

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:34:50pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

Find The Cost Of Freedom. Gilmour, Crosby , Nash

That’s Crosby, Nash, and Gilmour….

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bratwurst  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:38:10pm

I know I am a fool to be surprised by anything these horrible people do, but I find myself at a loss for words about this. The person or persons behind this are antisemites who also hate journalists. Click the link and listen to the “Jewish” accent.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:38:31pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:38:55pm

Just listened to “Find the Cost of Freedom” and in the lyrics:

Daylight again, following me to bed
I think about a hundred years ago, how my fathers bled
I think I see a valley, covered with bones in blue
All the brave soldiers that cannot get older been askin’ after you
Hear the past a callin’, from armegeddon’s side
When everyone’s talkin’ and no one is listenin’, how can we decide?

It occurs to me that when they came out with the song, it was 100 plus a few years since the Civil War.

And now, we’re solidly 100 years within the time of WWI.

The more things change…

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scottslemmons  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:39:43pm

re: #22 Kilroy was here

‘Why aren’t the other hands up?’ A top Trump adviser’s startling response to CEOs not doing what he’d expect

washingtonpost.com

Damn, they don’t know shit about business. And they’re so dumb, they assume they’re business geniuses so they don’t bother asking actual businessmen.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:41:20pm

re: #22 Kilroy was here

‘Why aren’t the other hands up?’ A top Trump adviser’s startling response to CEOs not doing what he’d expect

washingtonpost.com

As in “Guys, there are people here…the not “us” kind of people…please help with this charade.”

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:41:30pm

re: #25 bratwurst

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Answers my #23. This has to be given a very loud and wide debunking—fast.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:42:39pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just listened to “Find the Cost of Freedom” and in the lyrics:

It occurs to me that when they came out with the song, it was 100 plus a few years since the Civil War.

And now, we’re solidly 100 years within the time of WWI.

The more things change…

Next year will mark 100 years since the END of WWI.

Amazing.

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freetoken  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:43:13pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Note the Facebook dullards commenting on that video post by the TV station.

What is obviously a scam is being pretended to be some sort of secret evil.

But then again, my Facebook stream is filled with simple algebra problems that use images of fruit instead of Latin letters and somehow that gets people thinking it’s all something special.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:43:14pm

re: #24 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

That’s Crosby, Nash, and Gilmour….

Crosby Stills Nash and Young - Find the Cost of Freedom

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Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:43:29pm

re: #30 Decatur Deb

Answers my #23. This has to be given a very loud and wide debunking—fast.

Doesn’t matter. It gave the people that were looking for cover to pull the lever for Roy Moore the cover that they needed.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:44:22pm

re: #34 Mike Lamb

Doesn’t matter. It gave the people that were looking for cover to pull the lever for Roy Moore the cover that they needed.

Still 4 weeks to go.

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bratwurst  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:44:33pm

There was a VERY specific reason the makers of this robocall gave their fictional reporter a Jewish name.

This is America in 2017. Unreal.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:45:56pm

re: #36 bratwurst

There was a VERY specific reason the makers of this robocall gave their fictional reporter a Jewish name.

This is America in 2017. Unreal.

Don’t skip the accent.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:46:04pm

re: #36 bratwurst

There was a VERY specific reason the makers of this robocall gave their fictional reporter a Jewish name.

This is America in 2017. Unreal.

“Willie Horton” was busy on another line.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:48:57pm

School officials heard shots in the distance, locked school down before shooter even arrived, or informed by law enforcement.
Shooter rammed truck through school grounds fence

side note: NRA gun cultists will be having a fit because sheriff said “clip(s)”

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Stanley Sea  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:49:02pm

re: #2 jeffreyw

Penne. Your thoughts?

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looks perfect

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:50:22pm

re: #39 FormerDirtDart

He was supposed to say magazine instead I take it?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:50:50pm

re: #34 Mike Lamb

Doesn’t matter. It gave the people that were looking for cover to pull the lever for Roy Moore the cover that they needed.

al.com isn’t carrying it yet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:51:34pm

re: #39 FormerDirtDart

School officials heard shots in the distance, locked school down before shooter even arrived, or informed by law enforcement.
Shooter rammed truck through school grounds fence

[Embedded content]

side note: NRA gun cultists will be having a fit because sheriff said “clip(s)”

and “lockdown saved lives” instead of armed teachers and school janitors…

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Kilroy was here  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:51:36pm

Been a bad week for bible bangin pedos

Founder of Florida’s biggest megachurch accused of molesting a 4-year-old girl

Pastor Robert Coy, the former Las Vegas casino entertainment director turned religious leader for one of Florida’s biggest megachurches, has been accused of molesting a 4-year-old girl.

Coy, who resigned from Calvary Chapel in April 2014 under circumstances that church leaders then called a “moral failing,” was named to police in 2015 as the man who molested the child, according to police reports first reported Tuesday in Miami New Times.

miamiherald.com

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:51:47pm

re: #39 FormerDirtDart

School officials heard shots in the distance, locked school down before shooter even arrived, or informed by law enforcement.
Shooter rammed truck through school grounds fence

[Embedded content]

side note: NRA gun cultists will be having a fit because sheriff said “clip(s)”

MAGAZINE!!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:52:42pm

re: #44 Kilroy was here

“Moral failing”.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:53:58pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

He was supposed to say magazine instead I take it?

Yes.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:54:26pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

and “lockdown saved lives” instead of armed teachers and school janitors…

Instead of metal sheets in backpacks.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:54:48pm

re: #47 Ace Rothstein

Yes.

That’s the important part of the story.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:55:21pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

He was supposed to say magazine instead I take it?

There is literally an endless collection of memes on the subject

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dangerman  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:56:24pm

re: #24 lawhawk

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That’s Crosby, Nash, and Gilmour….

..pierce, fenner and smith

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Kilroy was here  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:57:38pm

side note: NRA gun cultists will be having a fit because sheriff said “clip(s)”

Just so everyone knows the “rules” so not to set off the gun nuts…

Magazine has a spring. Clip doesn’t (Also called a stripper clip)

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dangerman  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:59:11pm

re: #22 Kilroy was here

‘Why aren’t the other hands up?’ A top Trump adviser’s startling response to CEOs not doing what he’d expect

washingtonpost.com

This is them voting.
Economically your bill sucks for them
They don’t support it.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 14, 2017 • 4:59:31pm

A friend just sent this from Lubbock. It was on the front window of a Dollar General store there this evening. Normal closing time is 9PM.
Not to pick on DG but their starting pay in Lubbock is still 7.25 an hour. Might there be a connection?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:01:55pm

re: #39 FormerDirtDart

School officials heard shots in the distance, locked school down before shooter even arrived, or informed by law enforcement.
Shooter rammed truck through school grounds fence

[Embedded content]

side note: NRA gun cultists will be having a fit because sheriff said “clip(s)”

Still have to point out that this happened, even though NRA deleted the tweet after huge outrage:

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dangerman  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:03:00pm

re: #44 Kilroy was here

Been a bad week for bible bangin pedos

Founder of Florida’s biggest megachurch accused of molesting a 4-year-old girl

Pastor Robert Coy, the former Las Vegas casino entertainment director turned religious leader for one of Florida’s biggest megachurches, has been accused of molesting a 4-year-old girl.

miamiherald.com

Pig

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:03:10pm

re: #39 FormerDirtDart

School officials heard shots in the distance, locked school down before shooter even arrived, or informed by law enforcement.
Shooter rammed truck through school grounds fence

[Embedded content]

side note: NRA gun cultists will be having a fit because sheriff said “clip(s)”

Did the shooter perhaps have an M-1 Garand or an SKS, both of which use clips rather than mags?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:03:24pm

re: #54 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

A friend just sent this from Lubbock. It was on the front window of a Dollar General store there this evening. Normal closing time is 9PM.
Not to pick on DG but their starting pay in Lubbock is still 7.25 an hour. Might there be a connection?

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Not just the pay, but the working conditions at DG are total shit.

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JordanRules  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:03:31pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:04:22pm

re: #52 Kilroy was here

side note: NRA gun cultists will be having a fit because sheriff said “clip(s)”

Just so everyone knows the “rules” so not to set off the gun nuts…

[Embedded content]

Magazine has a spring. Clip doesn’t (Also called a stripper clip)

As opposed to the en bloc clip for the thumb-eating Garand, but we snowflakes don’t know that.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:04:55pm

Sessions struggling to “remember” reminds me of Sen. Geary in the brothel in “The Godfather Part II.”

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teleskiguy  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:05:29pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:05:32pm

re: #52 Kilroy was here

side note: NRA gun cultists will be having a fit because sheriff said “clip(s)”

Just so everyone knows the “rules” so not to set off the gun nuts…

[Embedded content]

Magazine has a spring. Clip doesn’t (Also called a stripper clip)

You’d almost thing wingnuts need a safe space when they are triggered about their gun parts.

By the way, in the Navy we called them clips. I guess we wouldn’t know, not being in a wingnut militia, but a well-ordered one.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:06:28pm

re: #63 Anymouse 🌹

You’d almost thing wingnuts need a safe space when they are triggered about their gun parts.

By the way, in the Navy we called them clips. I guess we wouldn’t know, not being in a wingnut militia, but a well-ordered one.

You use “calibre” wrong, too.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:08:17pm

re: #64 Decatur Deb

You use “calibre” wrong, too.

Well, a .223 calibre AR-15 isn’t really a match for a 16”/50 naval gun… .

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:08:22pm
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:09:44pm

re: #54 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

A friend just sent this from Lubbock. It was on the front window of a Dollar General store there this evening. Normal closing time is 9PM.
Not to pick on DG but their starting pay in Lubbock is still 7.25 an hour. Might there be a connection?

[Embedded content]

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not just the pay, but the working conditions at DG are total shit.

Heh. A brand new DG just opened down the road. Probably within 100 meters of a Family Dollar.
Building is maybe a quarter mile from a small strip mall that is maybe 20% occupied.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:10:37pm

re: #63 Anymouse 🌹

You’d almost thing wingnuts need a safe space when they are triggered about their gun parts.

By the way, in the Navy we called them clips. I guess we wouldn’t know, not being in a wingnut militia, but a well-ordered one.

Might be because “magazine” retains its original meaning in the Navy, a room where they stash their big bullets, er, shells.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:14:44pm

re: #65 Anymouse 🌹

Well, a .223 calibre AR-15 isn’t really a match for a 16”/50 naval gun… .

Oh heavens, I got my calibre wrong on the AR-15 (probably because I don’t own one). Cue wingnut flying monkey squad.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:15:23pm

My idea of fun: learning Applescript so I could write a BBEdit “attachment script” that runs whenever I save a Javascript file, checks its syntax with Node.js and aborts if there’s an error with a dialog showing the line number with the error, then calls the Google Closure Compiler to minify the Javascript and save it to the final destination. Wheee!

Applescript is a weird language, and the documentation for it is also weird. But the Script Editor makes it pretty easy to test stuff.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:15:51pm

re: #68 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Might be because “magazine” retains its original meaning in the Navy, a room where they stash their big bullets, er, shells.

I was signed for about 500 of the Army version, but we called (most of) them “Igloos”.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:17:53pm

Guys working in a 16” magazine on the USS New Jersey.

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dangerman  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:25:39pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

My idea of fun: learning Applescript so I could write a BBEdit “attachment script” that runs whenever I save a Javascript file, checks its syntax with Node.js and aborts if there’s an error with a dialog showing the line number with the error, then calls the Google Closure Compiler to minify the Javascript and save it to the final destination. Wheee!

Applescript is a weird language, and the documentation for it is also weird. But the Script Editor makes it pretty easy to test stuff.

Blah blah blah de blah blah blah
Wheee!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:25:41pm

re: #72 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

[Embedded content]

Guys working in a 16” magazine on the USS New Jersey.

They look like the warheads to a nuclear missile. Firing one of those downrange must have been a thrill. Of course, I’ve seen the videos of the Iowa doing target practice in the 1980’s.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:26:27pm

wonkette.com

Wonkette going after both Kayla Moore (Roy Moore’s wife) and SMOTI for spreading bull supporting Roy Moore.

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The Major  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:26:55pm

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:27:58pm

re: #74 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

They look like the warheads to a nuclear missile. Firing one of those downrange must have been a thrill. Of course, I’ve seen the videos of the Iowa doing target practice in the 1980’s.

Army tube artillery nukes, 8” and 155mm, were only half that diameter. They were even louder, though (at the other end).

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:29:18pm

re: #23 Decatur Deb

Some brilliant snark on that post. Is there any grain of truth to the underlying “Alabama robocall” story?

Chris “Tweety” Matthews played a recording of it on his show tonight. It was obviously a fake New York Jewish accent and the message was weird. They said they were paying from $5000 to $7500 for anyone claiming Roy Moore abused them and they would only be named and not have to tell their story.

Edit…I see Bratwurst put up a link to the recording. I’m behind…again.

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m0nkeyb0y  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:29:21pm

re: #72 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

So those Sailors are the springs in that magazine

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teleskiguy  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:29:30pm

If you want to hear David Bowie tunes getting absolutely butchered by an alt-right nazi scumfuck, watch this video.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:29:48pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:30:10pm

“However, Jack Jenkins of Think Progress has been contacting other pastors on the list, and though none of them were aware that Kayla Moore had put their names on this letter, most of them still support Moore.”

Sigh…

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freetoken  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:30:18pm

re: #72 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The Iowa class had those big-ass guns but I don’t really know how effective they were in achieving tactical goals.

The class strikes me as something more for show than effective, cost-effective, war-fighting.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:30:29pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:30:30pm

re: #77 Decatur Deb

Army tube artillery nukes, 8” and 155mm, were only half that diameter. They were even louder, though (at the other end).

And the Japanese thought they could fire their battleships’ main guns as flak cannons. I can’t imagine how terrifying it would be to be in a dive bomber, staring down the barrel of an 18” cannon loaded for steel birds.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:30:57pm

re: #78 ObserverArt

Chris “Tweety” Matthews played a recording of it on his show tonight. It was obviously a fake New York Jewish accent and the message was weird. They said they were paying from $5000 to $7500 for anyone claiming Roy Moore abused them and they would only be named and not have to tell their story.

Trying to backfill the bullshit from a couple days ago, that had a phantom video of WP reporters buying the story.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:31:09pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

If you want to hear David Bowie tunes getting absolutely butchered by an alt-right nazi scumfuck, watch this video.

[Embedded content]

Ground control to Major Douche…

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Brian J.  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:32:22pm

re: #83 freetoken

The Iowa class had those big-ass guns but I don’t really know how effective they were in achieving tactical goals.

The class strikes me as something more for show than effective, cost-effective, war-fighting.

If your goal is bombarding shore fortifications and other hard targets, they’re still effective, to the point that various designs for the DD-21/ Zumwalt class/ whatever the new generation of surface craft will be have guns. But usually we want more precision than they can provide.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:33:52pm

re: #83 freetoken

The Iowa class had those big-ass guns but I don’t really know how effective they were in achieving tactical goals.

The class strikes me as something more for show than effective, cost-effective, war-fighting.

Close to the end of development of a weapon designed primarily to take on the top armor of heavy mid-century battleships.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:33:58pm

re: #83 freetoken

The Iowa class had those big-ass guns but I don’t really know how effective they were in achieving tactical goals.

The class strikes me as something more for show than effective, cost-effective, war-fighting.

16”/50-caliber rifles can fire more explosive tonnage than anything except about a B-52 strike. The great thing about shipborne weaponry is sustained fire; it’s incredibly suppressive, and those 16” shells will do damage if they hit anywhere near something. There was a serious debate in Congress when they were retired about how we were going to replace their capability.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:34:19pm

re: #36 bratwurst

There was a VERY specific reason the makers of this robocall gave their fictional reporter a Jewish name.

This is America in 2017. Unreal.

And a cartoon name at that. With a cartoon accent. For a cartoon character named Roy Moore.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:34:49pm

re: #74 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

They look like the warheads to a nuclear missile. Firing one of those downrange must have been a thrill. Of course, I’ve seen the videos of the Iowa doing target practice in the 1980’s.

This 16 inch shell literally was a nuclear warhead:

Deactivated Mark 23 Nuclear Projectile now at the National Atomic Museum in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Photograph copyrighted by Department of Energy.
Navweps 16”/50 (40.6 cm) Mark 7
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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:35:00pm

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹

SMOTI is clearly in the crosshairs here along with that Stolen Valor troll. Hoft was relying on that bullshit source and spread the bullshit story far and wide, as Hoft always seems to do without repercussion for his bullshit.

This is not the only time The Gateway Pundit, a heavily influential website in the pro-Trump infosphere, sourced an article entirely from a false claim by @Umpire43.

Jim Hoft, Gateway Pundit’s owner, wrote an article in February of 2016 solely citing Umpire43, who claimed he “just got a robocall from a Nazi group and they made a mistake.”

Lewis claimed he was “able to track (the call) to ‘Conservative Solutions Pac’ THAT IS A RUBIO PAC.”

Hoft is a notorious disinformation peddler on the far-right. The Gateway Pundit has framed three separate people for terror attacks in 2017 alone, frequently citing a single tweet by deleted Twitter accounts to blame uninvolved far-left groups.

Hoft claimed the Charlottesville car attack on a Michigan man who was attending a wedding thousands of miles away, and labeled him an “anti-Trump protester.”

In January, Hoft posted a photo of an entirely different person with the name Esteban Santiago after someone with the same name shot 13 people and left five dead Ft. Lauderdale’s airport.

He also claimed CNN aired a lightened photo of the man Hoft and InfoWars host Paul Joseph Watson misidentified as the Ft. Lauderdale shooter, citing a single tweet by a deleted Twitter account. CNN did not air a photo of the misidentified man, let alone lighten his skin tone.

Hoft also misidentified the Las Vegas shooter hours after the terror attack, citing an anonymous 4chan post. Gateway Pundit identified the man as a Democrat, then deleted the post entirely.

Hoft did not respond to a request for comment at press time.

***

In this way, Hoft and Umpire43 are alike. Even amongst far-right websites and forums, @Umpire43 was a known pusher of fabricated information.

It still doesn’t stop Trump from relying on these right wing agitprop sites, or from Hoft having a shit-ton of influence despite being nothing but a liar and bullshit artist.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:35:39pm

re: #90 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

16”/50-caliber rifles can fire more explosive tonnage than anything except about a B-52 strike. The great thing about shipborne weaponry is sustained fire; it’s incredibly suppressive, and those 16” shells will do damage if they hit anywhere near something. There was a serious debate in Congress when they were retired about how we were going to replace their capability.

One reason they kept bringing the BBs out of mothballs.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:35:42pm

re: #83 freetoken

The Iowa class had those big-ass guns but I don’t really know how effective they were in achieving tactical goals.

The class strikes me as something more for show than effective, cost-effective, war-fighting.

They used to say something about them being able to lob a Volkswagen with pinpoint accuracy twenty miles away.

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Brian J.  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:36:05pm

More good news may be coming from (of all places) Ooooooooooooooklahoma, where the wingnuts come sweeping down the plains:

Three special elections are being held tonight, two for the state House and one for the Senate. So far the Democrats are ahead in one Senate race and competitive in another one.

ok.gov

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Kilroy was here  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:36:08pm

re: #83 freetoken

The Iowa class had those big-ass guns but I don’t really know how effective they were in achieving tactical goals.

The class strikes me as something more for show than effective, cost-effective, war-fighting.

Good book on the topic

Sacred Vessels: The Cult of the Battleship and the Rise of the U.S. Navy
amazon.com

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freetoken  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:36:16pm

re: #88 Brian J.

I guess that is my point. Small guns are easier, you can carry more rounds on the ship, you can have more redundancies.

16” guns are impressive, but not the best. And they used mechanical calculators that are impressive to see but really seem like an aeon ago.

re: #90 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Sure, if a shell lands on you you’re toast.

But in the history of the Iowa class, when did the 16” guns really make a difference in achieving the ultimate goal?

And were the Congressional debates done by big-gun fetishists?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:36:51pm

re: #91 ObserverArt

And a cartoon name at that. With a cartoon accent. For a cartoon character named Roy Moore.

The name was probably supposed to call to mind the Nixon-era team.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:37:48pm

re: #95 Anymouse 🌹

They used to say something about them being able to lob a Volkswagen with pinpoint accuracy twenty miles away.

For about the cost of a Cadillac.

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Brian J.  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:39:05pm

re: #100 Decatur Deb

For about the cost of a Cadillac.

Which is a hell of a lot cheaper than a Tomahawk, which costs about as much as four high-end Mercedes.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:39:52pm

re: #98 freetoken

I guess that is my point. Small guns are easier, you can carry more rounds on the ship, you can have more redundancies.

16” guns are impressive, but not the best. And they used mechanical calculators that are impressive to see but really seem like an aeon ago.

Sure, if a shell lands on you you’re toast.

But in the history of the Iowa class, when did the 16” guns really make a difference in achieving the ultimate goal?

And were the Congressional debates done by big-gun fetishists?

Mostly it was related to cost. Sure, we could fill their firepower gap with Tomahawk missiles, or a fleet of cruisers with 5” deck guns, but both options turned out to be much more expensive than the cost of maintenance of a 50-year-old battleship. In the end, the rise of relatively cheap and effective tactical air power (here’s looking at you, A-10 and F/A-18) is really what spelled the demise of the close-fire-support battleship.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:39:55pm

re: #101 Brian J.

Which is a hell of a lot cheaper than a Tomahawk, which costs about as much as four high-end Mercedes.

Per round, yes. Per kill, nope.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:41:07pm
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freetoken  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:41:07pm

I’ve raised this issue here before but that won’t stop me from repeating it: the US Navy has not fought a hot-war on the open seas since WWII.

In Vietnam and our various follies in SW Asia, we use the ships to lob/fly things onto the shore.

The common paradigms of naval battles are a 100 years out of date.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:41:59pm
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bratwurst  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:42:15pm

I try not to get too upset about what people from our little universe, past and present, tweet…but this one has been gnawing at me for 24 hours:

No, nothing to do with a political party that welcomed white supremacists into the tent and established a TV channel to broadcast hate and misinformation 24/7. Let’s blame the cover of GQ for Trump.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:43:02pm

re: #105 freetoken

I’ve raised this issue here before but that won’t stop me from repeating it: the US Navy has not fought a hot-war on the open seas since WWII.

In Vietnam and our various follies in SW Asia, we use the ships to lob/fly things onto the shore.

The common paradigms of naval battles are a 100 years out of date.

The excuse for battleships was battleships, until the Prince of Wales.

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Brian J.  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:43:03pm

re: #103 Decatur Deb

Per round, yes. Per kill, nope.

True, but it does make it more economical to keep firing shells until you find the one with the enemy’s name on it. And even the ones marked “to whom it may concern” can do some damage.

Democrats now lead both OK state senate special elections. Both would be gains from Republicans in the Tulsa and Okie City areas.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:44:28pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

If you want to hear David Bowie tunes getting absolutely butchered by an alt-right nazi scumfuck, watch this video.

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Uuck!

But he is actually better at butchering Bowie than butchering politics. That is not a compliment.

Fail.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:46:41pm

re: #59 JordanRules

“I’m a Black, lesbian, undocumented, liberal woman”. Make it as nightmarish as possible.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:48:02pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

Does he know that Bowie was married to a Black African woman? Racists need to stick to Nugent and Kid Rock.

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:48:46pm

re: #98 freetoken

The Iowa class was developed at the same time the rise of the aircraft carrier (Essex class) during WWII. Battleships quickly turned from being the lords of the sea to being support ships to protect the carriers with their guns, along with the ability to do shore bombardments. They quickly became obsolete in doing the mission intended - going after other surface combatants like battleships and enemy carriers.

After WWII, they were mothballed and then returned to service to do more of the same during Korea and then Vietnam - amphibious assault prep, shore/inland bombarbments, and carrier protection missions.

Each passing year saw less of a reason to keep the ships. By the time Reagan came, the ships were meant to be scrapped, and he brought it back and even contemplated shifting them into missile platforms.

But it’s the fact that missiles could go much further with even greater accuracy that meant that the Iowa class was obsolete. Who would need to have a surface ship firing rounds 20-40 miles (or let’s say even 50 miles inland) when you could fire a Tomahawk 200 miles or 1,500 miles. Only downside is that each missile costs a couple million dollars as compared to few thousands of dollars per Iowa shell round.

Of course, with railguns coming into service in the next few years, we’ll see longer range and lower cost than the Tomahawks.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:49:56pm

re: #112 Patricia Kayden

To them it does not matter. They can re-write it to make it better. ///

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:50:24pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:50:26pm

re: #113 lawhawk

I can just see it now: New York-class battleships, nuclear-powered, sporting a trio of 16”/54-caliber railguns. Capable of firing an electromagnetic-sabot shell halfway across the Atlantic.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:51:08pm

We got from a shooting in California to the cost effectiveness of 20th century battleships in a linear progression:

Crazed shooter
Sheriff saying “clips”
Probable gun-pedant response to sheriff
Magazine vs. clip
Ship magazine
Iowa magazine with 16” shells
Battleship firepower
Battleship usefulness

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:52:39pm

re: #111 Patricia Kayden

“I’m a Black, lesbian, undocumented, liberal woman”. Make it as nightmarish as possible.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:52:47pm

This tweet is still going wild-ass viral on Twitter.

Amazingly, I’ve only gotten a few insulting responses from Wikileaks cultists, but a WHOLE LOT of positive replies. Whatever mojo Wikileaks used to have seems to be pretty much dead and buried.

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TedStriker  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:52:54pm

re: #102 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Mostly it was related to cost. Sure, we could fill their firepower gap with Tomahawk missiles, or a fleet of cruisers with 5” deck guns, but both options turned out to be much more expensive than the cost of maintenance of a 50-year-old battleship. In the end, the rise of relatively cheap and effective tactical air power (here’s looking at you, A-10 and F/A-18) is really what spelled the demise of the close-fire-support battleship.

And the fighter jocks in high places in the USAF have been trying to kill the A-10 pretty much since they started rolling off the factory floor.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:54:14pm

re: #89 Decatur Deb

Close to the end of development of a weapon designed primarily to take on the top armor of heavy mid-century battleships.

I remember a comment from a long time ago when the US Navy’s New Jersey was hurtling 16” shells into Beirut after the bombing. They said it was like VW Bugs coming through the building faster than the speed of sound.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:55:23pm

re: #120 TedStriker

And the fighter jocks in high places have been trying to kill the A-10 pretty much since they started rolling off the factory floor.

Yeah, well, the fighter jocks never wanted to stick around long enough to see if they did any damage. Buncha wimps.

///(because I used to want to be a Navy fighter pilot during my youthful phase, so of course I can rag on them)

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TedStriker  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:55:41pm

re: #112 Patricia Kayden

Does he know that Bowie was married to a Black African woman? Racists need to stick to Nugent and Kid Rock.

Not just a black African woman, she’s a black Muslim Somalian woman.

Iman was smokin’ back in the day (and, IMO, still looks pretty damn good, especially for 62; as someone I work with would say, “good black don’t crack”); her turn in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country was pretty damn good too.

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Lidane  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:56:14pm

It’s GOHMERT!, y’all —

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:56:44pm

re: #124 Lidane

Oh, Jesus fuck, he’s gone full Alex Jones.

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Lidane  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:57:02pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:57:07pm

re: #95 Anymouse 🌹

They used to say something about them being able to lob a Volkswagen with pinpoint accuracy twenty miles away.

Hey…you remember that line too!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:57:15pm

re: #121 ObserverArt

I remember a comment from a long time ago when the US Navy’s New Jersey was hurtling 16” shells into Beirut after the bombing. They said it was like VW Bugs coming through the building faster than the speed of sound.

We still have one machine capable of forging a 16 inch barrel. It’s so big it can only make 105mm barrels in nose-to-nose pairs, to be cut apart at the muzzle. It’s very loud.

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TedStriker  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:57:18pm

re: #124 Lidane

It’s GOHMERT!, y’all —

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re: #125 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Oh, Jesus fuck, he’s gone full Alex Jones.

That’s what happens when you turn interns loose with Visio…

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:57:19pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

What are the odds that the pro-Wikileaks trolls/cultists were really Russia bots.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:58:16pm

re: #124 Lidane

That chart is thoroughly confusing.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:58:44pm

re: #101 Brian J.

Which is a hell of a lot cheaper than a Tomahawk, which costs about as much as four high-end Mercedes.

Yeah…4 AMG Super SLs.

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dangerman  Nov 14, 2017 • 5:59:50pm

re: #59 JordanRules

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These people are dumber than dirt

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:00:29pm

What kind of day is it in Trumpland?
About average: Worse than yesterday, better than tomorrow.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:01:02pm

re: #129 TedStriker

That’s what happens when you turn interns loose with Visio…

That’s what happens when you think Time Cube is a reference manual.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:01:16pm

re: #107 bratwurst

I try not to get too upset about what people from our little universe, past and present, tweet…but this one has been gnawing at me for 24 hours:

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No, nothing to do with a political party that welcomed white supremacists into the tent and established a TV channel to broadcast hate and misinformation 24/7. Let’s blame the cover of GQ for Trump.

Oh look, the Chicago is coming out of the Falcon.

Yep, he is a true wingnut Republican. He just tried to hide it to fit in here. He’s a waste.

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Lidane  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:02:07pm

re: #129 TedStriker

That’s what happens when you turn interns loose with Visio…

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TedStriker  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:02:18pm

re: #136 ObserverArt

Oh look, the Chicago is coming out of the Falcon.

Yep, he is a true wingnut Republican. He just tried to hide it to fit in here. He’s a waste.

Yeah, fuck Dark.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:02:42pm

re: #130 lawhawk

What are the odds that the pro-Wikileaks trolls/cultists were really Russia bots.

Pretty sure some of them were, because they’re the ones who posted in the middle of the night.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:02:44pm

re: #132 ObserverArt

Yeah…4 AMG Super SLs.

The payback is in the wonderful things that happen when you can load a handful of 90% kills on an 18-wheeler, and a shitload of them into a C-17. The cost reduction in the cradle-to-grave logistics chain is phenomenal. And that’s without the personnel costs of getting them on a platform to the bad guys.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:04:38pm

re: #138 TedStriker

Yeah, fuck Dark.

He would have had a thing or two………hundred to say about clips, mags, and battleship guns.

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Brian J.  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:05:11pm

Bad news, everyone: it appears that the Repubs will hold one of those OK state senate seats after all, as Democrat Steven Vincent has fallen behind 56-44% with just four precincts to go.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:05:16pm

My wife just got an E-mail response from Senator Ben Sasse, responding months after she wrote of concerns about then-candidate for the Supreme Court Neil Gorsuch.

Sen. Sasse complained of “partisanship” by Democrats during the hearing process, and said there was nothing partisan about the Republicans’ nomination and questioning.

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EPR-radar  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:06:10pm

re: #136 ObserverArt

Oh look, the Chicago is coming out of the Falcon.

Yep, he is a true wingnut Republican. He just tried to hide it to fit in here. He’s a waste.

Wingnuts and normal people really can’t relate on anything political because wingnuts are willfully batshit insane and deliberately clueless.

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meteor  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:06:46pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

TAKE AWAY HIS GUITAR

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:06:57pm

re: #141 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

He would have had a thing or two………hundred to say about clips, mags, and battleship guns.

There was still a sad decency that separated him from the Class of 2007. He was one that got away.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:08:57pm

Hannity Loses It As Advertisers Ditch His Show: Liberals Want To ‘Silence’ Me

Oh, bullshit. He can yammer on to his black heart’s content, preferably shouting at clouds from his front yard rather than spreading poison on national TV.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:09:17pm

re: #146 Decatur Deb

There was still a sad decency that separated him from the Class of 2007. He was one that got away.

We tried. We really did. In the end, like the rest, he chose party over sanity, and jumped off the cliff with the rest of the lemmings. I liked Dark. I still can’t bring myself to say “fuck him” because, wingnut though he be, he tried for a long time to resist the call of the derp side.

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EPR-radar  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:10:32pm

Shiplord Kirel’s link to the Death of Christianity in the US article in Baptist News Global from the previous thread is worth a repost.baptistnews.com

It concludes well:

The Evangelicals’ Jesus is satanic, and those who hustle this demon are “false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve” (2 Cor. 11:13-15, NIV).

You might wonder if my condemnation is too harsh. It is not, for the Spirit of the Lord has convicted me to shout from the mountaintop how God’s precious children are being devoured by the hatred and bigotry of those who have positioned themselves as the voice of God in America.

As a young man, I walked down the sawdust aisle at a Southern Baptist church and gave my heart to Jesus. Besides offering my broken heart, I also gave my mind to understanding God, and my arm to procuring God’s call for justice. I have always considered myself to be an evangelical, but I can no longer allow my name to be tarnished by that political party masquerading as Christian. Like many women and men of good will who still struggle to believe, but not in the evangelical political agenda, I too no longer want or wish to be associated with an ideology responsible for tearing humanity apart. But if you, dear reader, still cling to a hate-mongering ideology, may I humbly suggest you get saved.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:12:49pm

re: #142 Brian J.

Bad news, everyone: it appears that the Repubs will hold one of those OK state senate seats after all, as Democrat Steven Vincent has fallen behind 56-44% with just four precincts to go.

Was this the only election?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:12:52pm

re: #136 ObserverArt

Oh look, the Chicago is coming out of the Falcon.

Yep, he is a true wingnut Republican. He just tried to hide it to fit in here. He’s a waste.

I don’t understand “the Chicago is coming out of the Falcon.” (I understand Falcon refers to DF here, but not the rest.)

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:13:08pm

re: #107 bratwurst

“See what you made me do?”

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EPR-radar  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:13:13pm

re: #148 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

We tried. We really did. In the end, like the rest, he chose party over sanity, and jumped off the cliff with the rest of the lemmings. I liked Dark. I still can’t bring myself to say “fuck him” because, wingnut though he be, he tried for a long time to resist the call of the derp side.

I’ve said this before, but there were times when the mask slipped and a frankly horrifying level of political cynicism and heartlessness was revealed. So I’m not so easy going about this, although I realize that impressions differ and there are no absolute proofs to be had about stuff like this.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:13:46pm

re: #151 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t understand “the Chicago is coming out of the Falcon.” (I understand Falcon refers to DF here, but not the rest.)

You can take the boy out of the country, but you can’t take the country out of the boy. Only in this case, Dark is Chicago-bred, but his time in Wingnuttia is leeching the big-city liberal influence out of him.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:13:51pm

re: #148 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

We tried. We really did. In the end, like the rest, he chose party over sanity, and jumped off the cliff with the rest of the lemmings. I liked Dark. I still can’t bring myself to say “fuck him” because, wingnut though he be, he tried for a long time to resist the call of the derp side.

Did he? Or, was he faking it?

When he said he would never vote for Trump and then disappeared it was pretty telling what he was gonna do. That selling of his own soul probably made him realize he no longer fit in around here. I have no respect for someone going against their own word.

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Brian J.  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:14:34pm

re: #150 Belafon

Was this the only election?

There are two others, both in the Tulsa area. One for the state Senate, where the Democrat Alison Ikley-Freeman is slightly ahead with half the precincts in, and one for the state House where Democrat Chris Van Landingham trails 2-to-1 with just one precinct reporting.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:16:26pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:17:41pm

re: #151 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t understand “the Chicago is coming out of the Falcon.” (I understand Falcon refers to DF here, but not the rest.)

Chicago wingnuts always make not so subtle comments about African Americans. It is a long history of racist prejudice in the city. He saw an opportunity and took it…as a wingnut would.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:19:01pm

re: #148 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

We tried. We really did. In the end, like the rest, he chose party over sanity, and jumped off the cliff with the rest of the lemmings. I liked Dark. I still can’t bring myself to say “fuck him” because, wingnut though he be, he tried for a long time to resist the call of the derp side.

I didn’t know Dark Falcon very long here, but the conversations we had were civil. I was disappointed that he claimed he had to vote for Trump because of his father.

If his father has such control over him, he needs to shake it. If he simply lied about that, I would be further disappointed.

I thought there were things we could talk about.

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The Major  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:21:11pm

re: #101 Brian J.

Which is a hell of a lot cheaper than a Tomahawk, which costs about as much as four high-end Mercedes.

True: but a Tomahawk can be kitted out with a W68 physics package….

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:21:42pm

re: #149 EPR-radar

Shiplord Kirel’s link to the Death of Christianity in the US article in Baptist News Global is from the previous thread is worth a repost.baptistnews.com

It concludes well:

Thanks. I facebooked that. I think someone else had posted one of the other articles, but I’m going to put it here. It’s about the church shootings and our desire to be safe:

Looking for security at church? That’s what got us into this mess.

In our grief and fear it is natural for us to desire security, but before we move too quickly to security, let’s stop for a moment and remember that security is what got us here. We asked for security and the military industrial complex that feeds the Pentagon’s demand for efficient killing machines infected our society with military grade weapons. We demanded these weapons of war for our security abroad and they are now in our cities and our homes. We have militarized our police forces and our neighborhoods. Now there are more guns than human beings in America today because of our concern for security. Security is what got us into this mess in the first place and I’m not sure increased concern for security is going to get us out of it.

There is no security plan that will save us from an AR-15 assault rifle. There is no security plan that could have prevented that tragedy in Las Vegas or Texas. The real problem we face is not security but gun violence. Since 1968, 1.5 million people have been killed by guns in America, more than all the wars in American history combined. Since 1980, almost twice as many people have been killed by guns in America than have died from AIDS. Gun violence is a public health crisis and an epidemic on par with war and AIDS. It is a uniquely American epidemic and we must do something about it. We must find the strength to change, but the change we need is not in the level of security at houses of worship. The change we need is a change in the way we think about guns.

If we want true security, we must not fall victim to the fear that calls for false measures of security which don’t really make us safer but simply assuage our anxieties and ignore the real problem. We must reject all forms of false security and work for true security.

Let’s discuss true security. True security is a world without automatic weapons. True security is world without domestic violence. True security is a world without toxic masculinity and patriarchy. True security is a world without homophobia. True security is a world without white supremacy and racism. True security is a world without hatred, dehumanization and oppression. True security is a world without economic disparity. True security is a world without politicians in the pocket of the NRA.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:22:33pm

re: #159 Anymouse 🌹

I didn’t know Dark Falcon very long here, but the conversations we had were civil. I was disappointed that he claimed he had to vote for Trump because of his father.

If his father has such control over him, he needs to shake it. If he simply lied about that, I would be further disappointed.

I thought there were things we could talk about.

Seemed mostly to be about the father, a dark religious fear, and inbred fear of disorder. IIRC, he once described tangling up in the ‘68 Democratic Convention as a child.

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retired cynic  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:23:09pm

re: #149 EPR-radar

I believe he is the pastor I heard interviewed on NPR this afternoon. Not what you would call a liberal, but a principled conservative who was willing to put his life in the public square to be spit upon.

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whitebeach  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:23:13pm

re: #121 ObserverArt

I remember a comment from a long time ago when the US Navy’s New Jersey was hurtling 16” shells into Beirut after the bombing. They said it was like VW Bugs coming through the building faster than the speed of sound.

Impressive firepower, so who gives a fuck that every shell amounted to a war crime and the carnage produced by the ongoing shelling probably created a whole generation of people who hated us.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:23:16pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:23:57pm

re: #59 JordanRules

I wonder if the two fucks Breitbart sent down there had anything to do with this? Breitbart or O’Keefe, it has to be one of them.

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Brian J.  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:24:27pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

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The word shouldn’t be “colluded.” It’s “conspired.” The former has no specific legal meaning; the latter does.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:24:54pm

re: #164 whitebeach

Impressive firepower, so who gives a fuck that every shell amounted to a war crime and the carnage produced by the ongoing shelling probably created a whole generation of people who hated us.

Well, that did seem to get America into the Middle East meltdown that is ongoing.

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:25:24pm

re: #155 ObserverArt

Did he? Or, was he faking it?

When he said he would never vote for Trump and then disappeared it was pretty telling what he was gonna do. That selling of his own soul probably made him realize he no longer fit in around here. I have no respect for someone going against their own word.

He was a lonely and sad guy who desperately wanted to belong to a team. He was conflicted, however, by the two teams in his life - Republicans and LGF. He didn’t like to think too hard about any particular idea or concept, and that got him in trouble here a lot, since he didn’t expect to be challenged on wingnut dogma, but unlike more hardcore wingnuts he would withdraw and shrink away, rather than doubling down and yelling louder. But he was happiest when he felt he was clearly part of the team here, such as when external enemies were being attacked, such as the stalker blog or CCJ.

In the end, LGF became less friendly to Republicans as a whole, mostly because the country’s politics demanded that choice of Republicans - accept more and more extreme positions, support more and more deranged individuals, or you’re with the liberals and hate America. The Conservative cult bet that most Republicans, properly indoctrinated, would stay with their team even if it meant personal pain and supporting blatant evil, and they were right. In the end, DF couldn’t bring himself to give up Team Republican, either because it offered more emotional reinforcement, or because it didn’t ask hard questions and gave you the comfort of hating liberals and not having to worry about ethics or morals.

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Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:26:22pm

re: #107 bratwurst

I try not to get too upset about what people from our little universe, past and present, tweet…but this one has been gnawing at me for 24 hours:

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No, nothing to do with a political party that welcomed white supremacists into the tent and established a TV channel to broadcast hate and misinformation 24/7. Let’s blame the cover of GQ for Trump.

Well, people like DF also voted for him, let’s not forget that.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:28:39pm

re: #155 ObserverArt

Did he? Or, was he faking it?

When he said he would never vote for Trump and then disappeared it was pretty telling what he was gonna do. That selling of his own soul probably made him realize he no longer fit in around here. I have no respect for someone going against their own word.

I never believed he wasn’t going to vote for Trump, and called him out on it several times. In a way, he was LGF’s Gollum.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:29:15pm
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prairiefire  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:29:26pm

re: #123 TedStriker

Not just a black African woman, she’s a black Muslim Somalian woman.

Iman was smokin’ back in the day (and, IMO, still looks pretty damn good, especially for 62; as someone I work with would say, “good black don’t crack”); her turn in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country was pretty damn good too.

I had a Somali taxi driver in DC who said that back home, Iman was considered just average in beauty. I said Somali women are the most beautiful in the world. He said “oooohhhhh yes.”

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The Major  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:29:59pm

re: #161 Belafon

And I’m promoting that link right now on Twitter….

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:30:18pm
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:31:56pm
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gocart mozart  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:33:42pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

That’s my twitter

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The Major  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:34:22pm

re: #173 prairiefire

I had a Somali taxi driver in DC who said that back home, Iman was considered just average in beauty. I said Somali women are the most beautiful in the world. He said “oooohhhhh yes.”

And I believe that David Bowie was married to Iman - lucky dog…

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:34:33pm
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Dave In Austin  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:36:03pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:36:28pm

re: #178 The Major

And I believe that David Bowie was married to Iman - lucky dog…

I got that from taxi drivers in Singapore about the women there, too….

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:37:10pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Twitter has good people, but the corporation is corrupt to the core. It is irredeemable.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:37:32pm

re: #176 FormerDirtDart

Robots should never date Bender.

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whitebeach  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:39:38pm

re: #162 Decatur Deb

Seemed mostly to be about the father, a dark religious fear, and inbred fear of disorder. IIRC, he once described tangling up in the ‘68 Democratic Convention as a child.

That seems a pretty accurate impression. There was something deeply eerie about the way he passed all his own biases onto his father. There was this Gollumish “my preciousss” quality to it. Did his dad go in the voting booth with him?

ETA: I swear I hadn’t read Charles’s Gollum reference above when I wrote this. But if both of us noted the same thing, must be something to it.

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The Major  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:40:48pm

re: #174 The Major

Status update…

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:40:48pm

Come to Jesus moment. It happens that the Alabama Baptist Convention annual meet is going on in Huntsville.

Alabama Baptists rattled by accusations against Roy Moore

al.com

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:42:16pm

re: #180 Dave In Austin

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I wonder if Shep got his notes from Joy Reid and her deconstruction of a GOP talking head.

Iframe

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:42:19pm

LOL I’m a bad person for laughing out loud at this.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:42:56pm

JFC!

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:42:56pm
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petesh  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:43:08pm

re: #188 Anymouse 🌹

Vote Malcolm!

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:43:28pm

re: #185 The Major

I have no idea what any of that graphic means. I assume its good news for John McCain. /s

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Brian J.  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:44:56pm

re: #188 Anymouse 🌹

LOL I’m a bad person for laughing out loud at this.

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No, you’re just someone who knows anything about Alabama.

By the way, the OK state House race has clearly gone the wrong way, with Repub Ross Ford up 70-30 with 5/12 precincts in. It’s now down to Allison Ikley-Freeman in the Tulsa state Senate race, and she’s now behind by 12 votes with 11 precincts left.

(And this reminder for anyone from Louisiana: Derrick Edwards still needs your vote for Treasurer on Saturday!)

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:45:21pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:48:03pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:48:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:48:27pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

JFC!

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Your Dad fucking bragged about grabbing women by the pussy. You yourself haev told women who were sexually harassed to leave their jobs. Stop being such a pathetic hack.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:51:11pm

It’s funny as hell seeing Don Jr act like he cares about women or anyone other than his dreadful famliy.

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Lidane  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:51:17pm

re: #180 Dave In Austin

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:51:54pm

Democrat Ikley-Freeman in Okla. Sen. District 37 squeaks ahead again.
ok.gov

This race will be a nail-biter.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:51:59pm

re: #183 Belafon

Robots should never date Bender.

If she says “bite my shiny metal ass”, nuke it from orbit.

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JordanRules  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:52:07pm

re: #187 ObserverArt

Oh this is too good and so familiar.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:52:28pm

re: #199 Lidane

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Awww…Shep was a little too fair and balanced.

Now who likes the fake news?

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The Major  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:53:31pm

re: #188 Anymouse 🌹

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:53:41pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:54:02pm

re: #205 Charles Johnson

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Just another day ending in -y, Charles.

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retired cynic  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:54:18pm

re: #205 Charles Johnson

Wonder why?

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Brian J.  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:54:34pm

re: #186 Decatur Deb

Come to Jesus moment. It happens that the Alabama Baptist Convention annual meet is going on in Huntsville.

Alabama Baptists rattled by accusations against Roy Moore

al.com

Oh come on. Rattled? Really? The Alabama Baptists were all for slavery (the Southern Baptist Convention was created to defend it), rallied for Jim Crow, supported George Wallace in the schoolhouse door… their record on morality is batting zero, but no one can match their consistency! They’ll support Moore, cuz God forgives him!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:57:22pm

re: #208 Brian J.

Oh come on. Rattled? Really? The Alabama Baptists were all for slavery (the Southern Baptist Convention was created to defend it), rallied for Jim Crow, supported George Wallace in the schoolhouse door… their record on morality is batting zero, but no one can match their consistency! They’ll support Moore, cuz God forgives him!

Rattled=Things Were Said Out Loud.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:58:28pm

re: #207 retired cynic

Wonder why?

Anything to distract from the fact that the Alabama GOP nominated and continues to stand by a creep.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 6:59:26pm

My browser crashed on the MSNBC video above. I’m back now you poor devils.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:01:03pm

re: #211 Anymouse 🌹

My browser crashed on the MSNBC video above. I’m back now you poor devils.

Sounds like you are out of resources. Got too many tabs open or other stuff running?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:01:06pm

re: #146 Decatur Deb

There was still a sad decency that separated him from the Class of 2007. He was one that got away.

He showed no decency when I disclosed to LGFers about my son’s death in Iraq. He never apologized for the slander he posted.

LGF is a better place without him.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:01:20pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:02:40pm

re: #186 Decatur Deb

Come to Jesus moment. It happens that the Alabama Baptist Convention annual meet is going on in Huntsville.

Alabama Baptists rattled by accusations against Roy Moore

al.com

About that article:

But many people were talking about Moore, a Southern Baptist, member of Gallant First Baptist Church and U.S. Senate candidate who is the subject of intense national conversation after allegations from five women that he targeted them for romantic and sexual advances when they were teenagers and he was a county prosecutor in his thirties.

“romantic and sexual advances.” Perving on young teenage girls is not “romance,” speaking from my professional capacity as a Romance novel editor. It is sexual harassment/assault.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:02:50pm

re: #161 Belafon

When I posted this, I thought I’d read the good stuff. Nope:

Now let me get a little closer to home. True security will come when the people of God pray with their hands, their feet, their money and their votes, instead of paying lip service to God with their “thoughts and prayers.”

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Brian J.  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:03:21pm

re: #214 Dr. Matt

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You gotta love how “Hacked” is apparently an entity all on its own. And that “Server Access” and “Private Server” are nowhere near each other. Maybe they could hire Glenn Beck as a consultant for a few shiny rocks, now there was a man who knew how to draw a conspiracy theory!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:04:48pm

re: #213 Joe Bacon 🌹

He showed no decency when I disclosed to LGFers about my son’s death in Iraq. He never apologized for the slander he posted.

LGF is a better place without him.

Must have been pretty late. He started unwinding towards the end.

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:05:01pm

The right wing has lost their fucking minds, and Fox News is the medium by which they’ve misinformed and lied to their viewers for a generation. Those actions have consequences.

So, while right wingers continue defending Moore, claiming this is all a setup or conspiracy, it turns out that all the signals were there that Moore was up to no good had anyone actually dug deeper or believed any of the women who were coming forward at the time to warn of Moore’s actions.

Now, we’ve got Shep Smith taking on Hannity’s bullshit and Fox viewers are besides themselves because they trust Hannity over an actual reporter/journalist. This is where we are with Fox. They’ve weaponized agitprop to the point where millions of people simply can’t think for themselves or understand the issues. It’s all besides the point because Fox doesn’t want you to think or understand.

They simply want you to be misinformed because it’s easier to manipulate a misinformed public into doing the right wing agenda than an educated public.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:05:20pm

re: #214 Dr. Matt

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Sean just can’t quit HRC. He knows he wishes she were President because his ratings are in the shitter being Trump’s top lap dog.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:05:48pm

re: #217 Brian J.

You gotta love how “Hacked” is apparently an entity all on its own. And that “Server Access” and “Private Server” are nowhere near each other. Maybe they could hire Glenn Beck as a consultant for a few shiny rocks, now there was a man who knew how to draw a conspiracy theory!

Loved his work on Art Deco criticism.

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:05:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:06:15pm

re: #219 lawhawk

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The right wing has lost their fucking minds, and Fox News is the medium by which they’ve misinformed and lied to their viewers for a generation. Those actions have consequences.

So, while right wingers continue defending Moore, claiming this is all a setup or conspiracy, it turns out that all the signals were there that Moore was up to no good had anyone actually dug deeper or believed any of the women who were coming forward at the time to warn of Moore’s actions.

Now, we’ve got Shep Smith taking on Hannity’s bullshit and Fox viewers are besides themselves because they trust Hannity over an actual reporter/journalist. This is where we are with Fox. They’ve weaponized agitprop to the point where millions of people simply can’t think for themselves or understand the issues. It’s all besides the point because Fox doesn’t want you to think or understand.

They simply want you to be misinformed because it’s easier to manipulate a misinformed public into doing the right wing agenda than an educated public.

They simpled ignored it because I imagine many of them never thought Moore would try to leave the pond of Alabama for the sea of the U.S. Senate.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:06:16pm

re: #212 ObserverArt

Sounds like you are out of resources. Got too many tabs open or other stuff running?

Nope. Only running three programs (including task manager to see what’s up). Three tabs open in the browser.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:06:26pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

Sean just can’t quit HRC. He knows he wishes she were President because his ratings are in the shitter being Trump’s top lap dog.

And that’s why they need her back in the news.

I did hear a theory, though, that part of the reason for this investigation is they can accuse Mueller of being compromised because he was part of the administration during the deal.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:07:36pm

re: #225 Belafon

And that’s why they need her back in the news.

I did hear a theory, though, that part of the reason for this investigation is they can accuse Mueller of being compromised because he was part of the administration during the deal.

JFC but I believe it. I’ve seen Chuck Hagel go from someone that was seriously considered for Bush’s VP to being called a friend of Hamas. No surprise that Mueller, a former Bush and Reagan appointee is getting the treatment because he dares to want to get to the truth about Trump and co.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:07:53pm

re: #213 Joe Bacon 🌹

He showed no decency when I disclosed to LGFers about my son’s death in Iraq. He never apologized for the slander he posted.

LGF is a better place without him.

I am sorry you had to go through that. The Gold Star Family is a group we never want to see more members join. When you explained that to me some time ago I was flabbergasted.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:08:47pm
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Brian J.  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:09:40pm

re: #200 Anymouse 🌹

Democrat Ikley-Freeman in Okla. Sen. District 37 squeaks ahead again.
ok.gov

This race will be a nail-biter.

And with all precincts in, Democrat Allison Ikley-Freeman has apparently won by 44 votes over Brian O’Hara. This is the 13th Democratic special election gain for a state legislative seat this year (with one to come in Georgia in three weeks), and the fourth in Oklahoma.

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freetoken  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:09:43pm

re: #228 Charles Johnson

Somewhere deep under cover it’s always about money.

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retired cynic  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:10:48pm

re: #228 Charles Johnson

Money must be a large part of it, but they must become addicted to the rush from hate, even if they started as neutral in the beginning. I knew a woman like that. She was addicted to the rush of adrenalin (endorphins?) from being in a war with someone. It would wear a normal human being down to a nubbin.

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Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:11:22pm

re: #230 freetoken

Somewhere deep under cover it’s always about money.

The Mercer’s are funding DimJim? I wouldn’t be surprised since he crawled out of their Breitbart sewer.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:11:24pm

re: #229 Brian J.

There are two more precincts out /bitingnails.

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Lidane  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:13:05pm

The desperation is strong:

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:13:26pm

re: #230 freetoken

Somewhere deep under cover it’s always about money.

True in most cases, but there is a level of wealth where more simply can’t impact real-world outcomes. Then it gets Murdoch-ugly.

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majii  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:14:25pm

re: #186 Decatur Deb

“Alabama Baptists rattled by accusations against Roy Moore”

They were also “rattled” when they were asked to denounce white supremacy a few months ago. They had ignored the resolution, had adjourned the convention and were on their way home when the news broke that they had failed to address the matter. It was only then that they went back and voted for a revised version of the resolution. They can be as “rattled” as they want to be, but based on their past actions, they’re still cowards. I don’t expect them to denounce Roy Moore because they never will.

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Targetpractice  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:14:47pm

re: #234 Lidane

The desperation is strong:

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“We’re so sure the righteousness of our charges…that we’re going after the small fry who reprinted these stories!”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:15:56pm

re: #236 majii

“Alabama Baptists rattled by accusations against Roy Moore”

They were also “rattled” when they were asked to denounce white supremacy a few months ago. They had ignored the resolution, had adjourned the convention and were on their way home when the news broke that they had failed to address the matter. It was only then that they went back and voted for a revised version of the resolution. They can be as “rattled” as they want to be, but based on their past actions, they’re still cowards. I don’t expect them to denounce Roy Moore because they never will.

Honestly, as Brian got at, I can’t take serious a denomination that was formed simply to preserve the legality and morality of slavery. With all due to respect to Jimmy Carter who is a Southern Baptist.

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Lidane  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:17:49pm

re: #237 Targetpractice

It’s not even a real lawsuit. If you look at the replies to those tweets, lawyers are pointing out that Moore’s lawyer wrote a demand letter, and a shitty one at that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:19:50pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Honestly, as Brian got at, I can’t take serious a denomination that was formed simply to preserve the legality and morality of slavery. With all due to respect to Jimmy Carter who is a Southern Baptist.

Slavery is justified in both the Old and New Testaments. Every Confederate secession document cited the Bible to justify their secessions.

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Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:19:53pm

re: #234 Lidane

Steve Deace is another far right troglodyte.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:19:59pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Honestly, as Brian got at, I can’t take serious a denomination that was formed simply to preserve the legality and morality of slavery. With all due to respect to Jimmy Carter who is a Southern Baptist.

Not any more—think he bailed over racism.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:20:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:20:54pm

re: #240 Anymouse 🌹

Slavery is justified in both the Old and New Testaments. Every Confederate secession document cited the Bible to justify their secessions.

I’m not disputing that. I’m pointing out that the Southern Baptists exist solely because of slavery.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:21:40pm

re: #243 Charles Johnson

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Doesn’t surprise me.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:21:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:22:00pm

re: #242 Decatur Deb

Not any more—think he bailed over racism.

That’s right.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:22:13pm

re: #242 Decatur Deb

Not any more—think he bailed over racism.

Yup.

In 2000, Carter severed his membership with the Southern Baptist Convention, saying the group’s doctrines did not align with his Christian beliefs. In April 2006, Carter, former President Bill Clinton, and Mercer University President Bill Underwood initiated the New Baptist Covenant. The broadly inclusive movement seeks to unite Baptists of all races, cultures and convention affiliations. Eighteen Baptist leaders representing more than 20 million Baptists across North America backed the group as an alternative to the Southern Baptist Convention. The group held its first meeting in Atlanta, January 30 through February 1, 2008.

(Wikipedia)

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:22:32pm

re: #228 Charles Johnson

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They are the pulpit pimps of the Wingnut religion.

Sure it is about the money.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:22:42pm

re: #157 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔@Green_Footballs
Rachel @maddow’s opening segment about the Russian bugging of the US Moscow embassy is riveting. Really brings home what we’re up against with a president who’s been compromised.
8:16 PM - Nov 14, 2017
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I actually was able to listen to most of Rachel’s segment and have come to understand how Fox incites its viewers. After listening to her, I am infuriated beyond words at the complicity of the Republican party in this continuing treason by Trump, Tillerson, and other members of the Trump family and cabinet. Are they all traitors or cowards or sociopaths? Lindsey Graham always pretends to care about foreign policy. Where is he? And even Corker and Flake, despite their vocal criticisms, have not accused him of treason.

What is wrong with these people?

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:23:18pm

re: #234 Lidane

It’s not even a demand letter. It’s a baseless and empty threat, because the reporting thus far appears impeccable and well sourced.

It’s all about the intent to silence the local media outlets who were largely ambivalent to these kinds of claims against Moore for decades and only got interested once the national media outlets began digging into the dirt. If you silence the local media, Moore thinks he can withstand the claims and win the Senate seat.

He’s counting on AL voters being more interested in supporting a Republican than voting against a pedophile and sex predator. To the AL GOP, it’s more important to vote party over anyone who is a Democrat, even when your GOP candidate is a pedophile and sex predator.

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Brian J.  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:24:17pm

re: #239 Lidane

It’s not even a real lawsuit. If you look at the replies to those tweets, lawyers are pointing out that Moore’s lawyer wrote a demand letter, and a shitty one at that.

The Attorney General of Alabama, back in that brief period where blacks and whites worked together there, was sued by the Klan when he started trying to prosecute the leader of the Birmingham 16th Street Church bombers. (Doug Jones prosecuted the others.) His response to their legal letter was to the point:

My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is — kiss my ass.

snopes.com

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:24:21pm

re: #228 Charles Johnson

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Charles, it comes from the constant disinformation coming from the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:24:44pm

One more precinct to go; the Democratic candidate’s lead has been cut to fourteen votes.
ok.gov

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:25:49pm
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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:26:12pm

re: #252 Brian J.

The Attorney General of Alabama, back in that brief period where blacks and whites worked together there, was sued by the Klan when he started trying to prosecute the leader of the Birmingham 16th Street Church bombers. (Doug Jones prosecuted the others.) His response to their legal letter was to the point:

My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is — kiss my ass.

snopes.com

There have always been such people in Alabama. Too few, though.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:26:25pm

I’m done with trying to explain to people that I’ve definitively parted ways with the right. I’ve spent nearly 10 years working to defeat these repellent creatures, and if someone comes at me on Twitter trying to shame me for what LGF was in the early 2000s, I’m just going to block them and not look back. I don’t have time to deal with it any more. What’s happening now, in 2017, is vastly more important than people who want to demonstrate their purer-than-thou sanctimonious bullshit.

Done.

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Lidane  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:26:26pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:26:37pm

re: #251 lawhawk

Well, if DF lived in Alabama there’s no doubt who he’d be voting for, and there are a hell of a lot of DFs out there, unfortunately.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:27:41pm

re: #258 Lidane

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Sean needs to settle down with a nice cup of coffee.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:28:11pm

re: #243 Charles Johnson

Wasn’t the Griswold decision only about legalizing contraception? Race wasn’t an issue there.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:28:55pm

re: #258 Lidane

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Bull. Fucking. Shit. I won’t believe that unless Moore loses in a landslide. Anything else, and I expect the fatass fucktard to claim credit for his “moral victory”.

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:29:11pm

re: #256 Decatur Deb

Coretta Scott King was always right about Sessions. Always right.

Sessions should never have been put in the position he is now in, just as surely as the Senate refused to confirm him for the judiciary.

Of course, now the Senate GOP are busy confirming unqualified hacks at a record pace, all because they think their agenda is furthered by know-nothing extremists on the bench.

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jaunte  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:30:03pm

Jeff Sessions is a lying god damned traitor in an administration chock full of ‘em.

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Brian J.  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:30:10pm

re: #262 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Bull. Fucking. Shit. I won’t believe that unless Moore loses in a landslide. Anything else, and I expect the fatass fucktard to claim credit for his “moral victory”.

Nah, he’ll have an even number of changes of heart to make sure he’s right back with Rupert’s good graces and paycheck before December 12.

And Ikley-Freeman has prevailed in Tulsa by 31 votes!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:30:39pm

re: #261 Hecuba’s daughter

Wasn’t the Griswold decision only about legalizing contraception? Race wasn’t an issue there.

Contraception between married couples. I believe the race comment is referring to something else.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:31:22pm

re: #263 lawhawk

Coretta Scott King was always right about Sessions. Always right.

Sessions should never have been put in the position he is now in, just as surely as the Senate refused to confirm him for the judiciary.

Of course, now the Senate GOP are busy confirming unqualified hacks at a record pace, all because they think their agenda is furthered by know-nothing extremists on the bench.

Hey. I was making fun of Senator Jefferson Beauregard Sessions The Third before it was cool.

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jaunte  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:31:28pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:31:59pm

There’s so much bullshit coming from sites like Gateway Pundit, it’s actually kind of pointless to try to refute it. The people reading and feeding on this rancid garbage couldn’t care less about refutations— in fact, the more liberals work to refute their crap, the more they enjoy it and the more popular sites like Gateway Pundit become.

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jaunte  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:32:20pm

re: #267 Decatur Deb

Sorry, I should have said Senator Jefferson Beauregard Sessions The Third is a lying god damned traitor.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:32:21pm

re: #259 Skip Intro

Well, if DF lived in Alabama there’s no doubt who he’d be voting for, and there are a hell of a lot of DFs out there, unfortunately.

Didn’t DF flat out admit to voting for Keyes when he ran against Obama?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:32:48pm

re: #256 Decatur Deb

There have always been such people in Alabama. Too few, though.

And as the Snopes article notes, Doug Jones was cutting law classes at the time to watch the trial that Mr. Baxley prosecuted against the ringleader of the 16th St. Church bombing. It was that inspiration that caused Mr. Jones to go after the remaining murders.

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Sea Mexican!  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:32:52pm

Hello all!

This is a sort of diary that a local artist kept during the days after the hurricane:

facebook.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:33:38pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

There’s so much bullshit coming from sites like Gateway Pundit, it’s actually kind of pointless to try to refute it. The people reading and feeding on this rancid garbage couldn’t care less about refutations— in fact, the more liberals work to refute their crap, the more they enjoy it and the more popular sites like Gateway Pundit become.

Yep and no one wins. It’s creating a false reality where Biden will be the talking point when bringing up real cases of Wingnuttia improper conduct.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:34:19pm

re: #261 Hecuba’s daughter

Wasn’t the Griswold decision only about legalizing contraception? Race wasn’t an issue there.

Yes, contraceptive use for married people.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:34:21pm

re: #272 Anymouse 🌹

And as the Snopes article notes, Doug Jones was cutting law classes at the time to watch the trial that Mr. Baxley prosecuted against the ringleader of the 16th St. Church bombing. It was that inspiration that caused Mr. Jones to go after the remaining murders.

Jones is awesome.

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MsJ  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:34:34pm

re: #148 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

We tried. We really did. In the end, like the rest, he chose party over sanity, and jumped off the cliff with the rest of the lemmings. I liked Dark. I still can’t bring myself to say “fuck him” because, wingnut though he be, he tried for a long time to resist the call of the derp side.

No he didn’t. He gave lip service and nothing more.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:34:38pm

re: #258 Lidane

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Hmmm. With Hannity and Bannon both warming up the bus to back over their boy, you have to think some real sordid and unquestionable details have gotten to the GOP machine.

I wonder if Roy Boy can make it to Friday?

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retired cynic  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:35:52pm

re: #278 ObserverArt

Hmmm. With Hannity and Bannon both warming up the bus to back over their boy, you have to think some real sordid and unquestionable details have gotten to the GOP machine.

I wonder if Roy Boy can make it to Friday?

Australia?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:35:53pm

re: #277 MsJ

No he didn’t. He gave lip service and nothing more.

Have to agree. It was insincere imo.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:36:44pm

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JordanRules  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:39:25pm

re: #279 retired cynic

Exactly!

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Sea Mexican!  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:39:33pm

re: #277 MsJ

No he didn’t. He gave lip service and nothing more.

Still … it was hard to see him go full wingnut …

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:40:02pm

ok.gov

All precincts reporting now in Senate District 34 in Oklahoma. Ms. Ikley-Freeman (D) wins the election by 31 votes.

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petesh  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:41:34pm

re: #284 Anymouse 🌹

ok, gov!

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:41:58pm

re: #284 Anymouse 🌹

And that is why a GOTV campaign is important (and should include those who are apathetic about elections). Thirty-one votes is a damn close margin for a state senate district.

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jaunte  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:42:56pm

Banned from the mall for creeping on teens, Moore fought back:

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whitebeach  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:43:03pm

re: #284 Anymouse 🌹

ok.gov

All precincts reporting now in Senate District 34 in Oklahoma. Ms. Ikley-Freeman (D) wins the election by 31 votes.

Voter fraud, obviously. ISIS. Alienz. Needz a special kommission to investigate.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:43:06pm

re: #284 Anymouse 🌹

ok.gov

All precincts reporting now in Senate District 34 in Oklahoma. Ms. Ikley-Freeman (D) wins the election by 31 votes.

Whoot.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:43:12pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

There’s so much bullshit coming from sites like Gateway Pundit, it’s actually kind of pointless to try to refute it. The people reading and feeding on this rancid garbage couldn’t care less about refutations— in fact, the more liberals work to refute their crap, the more they enjoy it and the more popular sites like Gateway Pundit become.

That is shown by the Fox people wanting to turn off Shep Smith. He tries to give them some actual facts and they get pissed. That want the confirmation news that confirms their suspicions and hate. There can be absolutely nothing positive said about any Democrat. Now we see they can’t even abide some of the Republicans.

This is all gonna blow up. In what way…who knows? But it is a bomb waiting to go off. I hope it kills the Republican Party before they kill this country.

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Lidane  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:43:24pm

Dafuq?

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Mattand  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:43:35pm

re: #272 Anymouse 🌹

And as the Snopes article notes, Doug Jones was cutting law classes at the time to watch the trial that Mr. Baxley prosecuted against the ringleader of the 16th St. Church bombing. It was that inspiration that caused Mr. Jones to go after the remaining murders.

So Jones fights racism and doesn’t molest 14 year old school girls.

No wonder Republicans hate him.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:43:44pm

re: #287 jaunte

Banned from the mall for creeping on teens, Moore fought back:

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Stop hiding behind God.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:44:13pm

re: #291 Lidane

Dafuq?

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Okay Sean. Grift away.

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Mattand  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:44:34pm

re: #246 Dr. Matt

I busted a serious gut laughing at your Twitter handle.

There’s just not enough Nazi dick cancer in the world these days…

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:45:28pm

re: #275 Anymouse 🌹

Yes, contraceptive use for married people.

After listening to the Roy Moore quote on “creating new rights in 1965”, I think it makes sense that he was referring to the Griswold decision. These fundamentalist Christians are as opposed to contraception as they are to abortion. They are all in on the government regulating private consensual behavior between adults, even those who are married to each other.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:47:17pm

re: #296 Hecuba’s daughter

After listening to the Roy Moore quote on “creating new rights in 1965”, I think it makes sense that he was referring to the Griswold decision. These fundamentalist Christians are as opposed to contraception as they are to abortion. They are all in on the government regulating private consensual behavior between adults, even those who are married to each other.

It’s typical “small government conservative” hypocrisy.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:47:29pm

re: #296 Hecuba’s daughter

After listening to the Roy Moore quote on “creating new rights in 1965”, I think it makes sense that he was referring to the Griswold decision. These fundamentalist Christians are as opposed to contraception as they are to abortion. They are all in on the government regulating private consensual behavior between adults, even those who are married to each other.

They really loathe Griswold V Conn. I have seen the discussions on line. That SCOTUS decision is the root of the poisoned tree in their opinion.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:49:33pm

re: #298 Scottish Dragon

They really loathe Griswold V Conn. I have seen the discussions on line. That SCOTUS decision is the root of the poisoned tree in their opinion.

Yep we saw it in the Sandra Fluke attacks.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:50:17pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Didn’t DF flat out admit to voting for Keyes when he ran against Obama?

Really? That would have been the first election right? And that was right before I heard about the site.

I came here off the Pam Geller and Robert Spencer stuff that happened here in Columbus (Rifqa Bary) and I was doing some Google searches to see if I could find out more about Spencer who I had seen right here in Columbus.

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lawhawk  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:50:18pm

re: #296 Hecuba’s daughter

I think it’s even more base than that. 1965 saw passage of the VRA and CRA.

Those established and protected rights for minorities.

They further expanded the rights previously granted under the 13-15th Amendments.

And many in the South still see that as a grievance that must be undone.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:51:38pm

re: #300 ObserverArt

Really? That would have been the first election right? And that was right before I heard about the site.

I came here off the Pam Geller and Robert Spencer stuff that happened here in Columbus (Rifqa Bary) and I was doing some Google searches to see if I could find out more about Spencer who I had seen right here in Columbus.

2004 before I joined but I swear he admitted to it. He did claim regret but that could’ve been smoke.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:51:59pm

re: #234 Lidane

A comment:

This isn’t legal action; this is a letter. It’s what people who are afraid to actually file in court will send to try to scare you. It’s also filled with typos.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:52:05pm

re: #288 whitebeach

Voter fraud, obviously. ISIS. Alienz. Needz a special kommission to investigate.

In Albuquerque, the mayor’s office has flipped from R to D control; the state auditor (D) ran against a city councilmember (R), winning 2-to-1.

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Mattand  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:52:45pm

re: #290 ObserverArt

It’s tin hat territory, but I still believe Shep Smith’s loose cannon, “I don’t tow the party line” act is just that: an act. It’s Fox creating a dissenting voice so the other fucking dip wads on the network can point at Smith and say “See? All viewpoints are welcome!”

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Mattand  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:54:28pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Didn’t DF flat out admit to voting for Keyes when he ran against Obama?

re: #300 ObserverArt

Really? That would have been the first election right? And that was right before I heard about the site.

I came here off the Pam Geller and Robert Spencer stuff that happened here in Columbus (Rifqa Bary) and I was doing some Google searches to see if I could find out more about Spencer who I had seen right here in Columbus.

re: #302 HappyWarrior

2004 before I joined but I swear he admitted to it. He did claim regret but that could’ve been smoke.

I think HW is right. I seem to remember that as well. Mainly because of the “I’ll fight your black guy with my black guy!!!!” mindset.

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retired cynic  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:54:37pm

re: #300 ObserverArt

Really? That would have been the first election right? And that was right before I heard about the site.

I came here off the Pam Geller and Robert Spencer stuff that happened here in Columbus (Rifqa Bary) and I was doing some Google searches to see if I could find out more about Spencer who I had seen right here in Columbus.

His Senate race in Illinois.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:56:33pm

re: #261 Hecuba’s daughter

Wasn’t the Griswold decision only about legalizing contraception? Race wasn’t an issue there.

IIRC, Griswold was about privacy.

For segregationists, any choice they have made has been so that they can divide people off to their side in order to keep oppressing minorities. Sure, you might think you’re protecting the unborn, but they’re going to vote to hurt blacks, and tell you “just one more election.”

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:57:08pm

re: #273 Sea Mexican!

Hello all!

This is a sort of diary that a local artist kept during the days after the hurricane:

facebook.com

Hey seeing you and the reminder about hurricanes triggered a thought. I finally heard about my friend on Vieques. Not directly but through other friends.

She said the island is a total disaster, but she is staying to help out at the doggie shelter and her own dogs. She does some work at some kind of a resort on the other side of the mountain where she stays. If I remember correctly, the guy who designed it made it hurricane proof. I guess it stood the test. Also, her communications are a mess. I’m just glad she is okay. She is a tough gal. Just what you would expect from an artist, Dead Head, Democrat Puerto Rican!

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MsJ  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:58:20pm

re: #283 Sea Mexican!

Still … it was hard to see him go full wingnut …

He was always full wingnut. I lurked for years before ever posting a comment. He was and remains a horrible, shitty person. He would occasionally say something to make you think he had redeeming factors. He didn’t.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 7:59:25pm

re: #306 Mattand

I think HW is right. I seem to remember that as well. Mainly because of the “I’ll fight your black guy with my black guy!!!!” mindset.

My recollection is he did claim regret about it but I could never tell with him.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:00:03pm

Unless I missed it?!

Why is it taking so long for authorities to release the ID of the California shooter?!

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majii  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:02:07pm

re: #290 ObserverArt

“That is shown by the Fox people wanting to turn off Shep Smith. He tries to give them some actual facts and they get pissed. That want the confirmation news that confirms their suspicions and hate.”

There are quite a few right-wingers who are upset with Shep. A common theme in the tweets I read was that they tune into Fox to hear unbiased news reporting. I kid you not. Shep told them the truth, and they’re rejecting it because they’re used to being lied to and have become accustomed to being fed baseless conspiracy theories and propaganda that leads them to believe BS. I suspect that deep down within themselves they know DT is a failed leader and could be trouble in regard to Mueller’s investigation, so they are looking for anything to remove the focus from him. They chose poorly when they voted for him, and nothing is going to change that. Most of the sane people in the world know that DT ain’t sh*t. They can keep polishing that turd, but that won’t transform it into a piece of fine chocolate.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:02:24pm

re: #286 Anymouse 🌹

And that is why a GOTV campaign is important (and should include those who are apathetic about elections). Thirty-one votes is a damn close margin for a state senate district.

Hey, I actually heard DNC Chairman Tom Perez talking about some of the Virginia victories and he said it was just the beginning of his new plan. And he said they will be trying as hard as donations let them go to fund races all up and down state and local tickets. He wants to build from the bottom up. And he actually mentioned Nebraska as one of the states as an example. That made my ears perk up, as he said it was a state the DNC left go.

You got to him didn’t you! : )

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Charles Johnson  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:03:20pm

Co-sign.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:04:52pm

Yeah, Ben Howe a writer for Red State, but this is a sick burn.

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stpaulbear  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:04:58pm

re: #283 Sea Mexican!

Still … it was hard to see him go full wingnut …

I’m kind of a latecomer to LGF, so for me it seemed like the least surprising thing ever when he couldn’t fake it any more. I always felt like the main reason he hung around here was to talk about guns and weapons.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:05:21pm

re: #291 Lidane

Dafuq?

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Trying to get back his advertiser maybe…?

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bratwurst  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:05:28pm

Shit is getting real. Hannity gave Judge Moore 24 hours to prove a negative!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:06:19pm

re: #316 Ace-o-aces

Yeah, Ben Howe a writer for Red State, but this is a sick burn.

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Dinesh is really showing himself to be worst of the worst. What an abject asshole.

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JordanRules  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:06:54pm

re: #309 ObserverArt

Ayyyeee!! Great update!

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:06:56pm

re: #316 Ace-o-aces

Yeah, Ben Howe a writer for Red State, but this is a sick burn.

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I liked Adam’s:

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retired cynic  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:07:15pm

re: #320 HappyWarrior

Dinesh is really showing himself to be worst of the worst. What an abject asshole.

He is a caricature of longing to belong to the club.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:07:22pm

re: #314 ObserverArt

Hey, I actually heard DNC Chairman Tom Perez talking about some of the Virginia victories and he said it was just the beginning of his new plan. And he said they will be trying as hard as donations let them go to fund races all up and down state and local tickets. He wants to build from the bottom up. And he actually mentioned Nebraska as one of the states as an example. That made my ears perk up, as he said it was a state the DNC left go.

You got to him didn’t you! : )

It’s been part of my secret takeover plan of the DNC all along… .

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:08:03pm

re: #324 Anymouse 🌹

It’s been part of my secret takeover plan of the DNC all along… .

At least you’re a member of the Party.

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stpaulbear  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:08:49pm

re: #290 ObserverArt

That is shown by the Fox people wanting to turn off Shep Smith. He tries to give them some actual facts and they get pissed. That want the confirmation news that confirms their suspicions and hate. There can be absolutely nothing positive said about any Democrat. Now we see they can’t even abide some of the Republicans.

This is all gonna blow up. In what way…who knows? But it is a bomb waiting to go off. I hope it kills the Republican Party before they kill this country.

The average age of Fox news viewers is 68. Their own timers are ticking down.

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majii  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:09:23pm

re: #294 HappyWarrior

“Okay Sean. Grift away.”

I think Hannity may be getting a bit worried about his job. Buying and giving away the Keurig coffeemakers is his form of personal atonement for making the mistake of carrying water for a child molester. I still think he’s a POS who has never met a RW politician he would reject—-even if that pol shot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue in NYC.

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jaunte  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:11:04pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:12:05pm

re: #296 Hecuba’s daughter

After listening to the Roy Moore quote on “creating new rights in 1965”, I think it makes sense that he was referring to the Griswold decision. These fundamentalist Christians are as opposed to contraception as they are to abortion. They are all in on the government regulating private consensual behavior between adults, even those who are married to each other.

Joy Reid had the Rev. Dr. Barber on and he thought this was all a play on civil and voting rights bills of ‘64 and ‘65 and a nod to the Alabama fundie religious racists. “Those” people and the ungodly Democrats and Immigrants are out to kill off Republicans don’t you know and it starts by taking down Roy Moore.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:13:13pm

re: #327 majii

“Okay Sean. Grift away.”

I think Hannity may be getting a bit worried about his job. Buying and giving away the Keurig coffeemakers is his form of personal atonement for making the mistake of carrying water for a child molester. I still think he’s a POS who has never met a RW politician he would reject—-even if that pol shot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue in NYC.

Good I hope he’s worried. Though I know FNC has some just as bad waiting to replace him.

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retired cynic  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:13:15pm

re: #329 ObserverArt

Joy Reid had the Rev. Dr. Barber on and he thought this was all a play on civil and voting rights bills of ‘64 and ‘65 and a nod to the Alabama fundie religious racists. “Those” people and the ungodly Democrats and Immigrants are out to kill off Republicans don’t you know and it starts by taking down Roy Moore.

Why not all of them?

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:14:11pm

re: #305 Mattand

It’s tin hat territory, but I still believe Shep Smith’s loose cannon, “I don’t tow the party line” act is just that: an act. It’s Fox creating a dissenting voice so the other fucking dip wads on the network can point at Smith and say “See? All viewpoints are welcome!”

I think a lot of people think that. I am an outsider. All the Fox I see is right here.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:14:47pm
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Belafon  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:14:56pm

re: #328 jaunte

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He’s trying to re-appeal to the Alabama white majority.

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Belafon  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:15:57pm

re: #305 Mattand

It’s tin hat territory, but I still believe Shep Smith’s loose cannon, “I don’t tow the party line” act is just that: an act. It’s Fox creating a dissenting voice so the other fucking dip wads on the network can point at Smith and say “See? All viewpoints are welcome!”

At this stage, though, I don’t know of anyone who buys it.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:16:51pm

re: #302 HappyWarrior

2004 before I joined but I swear he admitted to it. He did claim regret but that could’ve been smoke.

re: #306 Mattand

I think HW is right. I seem to remember that as well. Mainly because of the “I’ll fight your black guy with my black guy!!!!” mindset.

Thanks for the info on The Dark One. Yeesh. I forgot all about Alan Keyes running against Obama in Illinois.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:17:55pm

re: #317 stpaulbear

I’m kind of a latecomer to LGF, so for me it seemed like the least surprising thing ever when he couldn’t fake it any more. I always felt like the main reason he hung around here was to talk about guns and weapons.

You were ahead of me here by four years. I’m practically newly-counterfeited.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:18:11pm

re: #336 ObserverArt

Thanks for the info on The Dark One. Yeesh. I forgot all about Alan Keyes running against Obama in Illinois.

I actually knew a family friend who supported his president run in 2000. JFC.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:19:25pm

re: #317 stpaulbear

I’m kind of a latecomer to LGF, so for me it seemed like the least surprising thing ever when he couldn’t fake it any more. I always felt like the main reason he hung around here was to talk about guns and weapons.

I think he did have a lot of people who he did like talking with but he did hide a lot of his more wing nutty beliefs but they’d slip out.

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MsJ  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:19:30pm

re: #317 stpaulbear

I’m kind of a latecomer to LGF, so for me it seemed like the least surprising thing ever when he couldn’t fake it any more. I always felt like the main reason he hung around here was to talk about guns and weapons.

And wars.

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Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:20:03pm

re: #333 FormerDirtDart

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:21:15pm

re: #340 MsJ

And wars.

His lack of empathy for non Americans on FP disgusted me so much.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:22:09pm

Sometime in this thread I just surpassed 21,000 upfists. Thanks to the folk here at LGF, the Academy, my mother …

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retired cynic  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:22:51pm

re: #341 Skip Intro

Formed TODAY??? Boy, does that smell.

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jaunte  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:23:00pm

re: #341 Skip Intro

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whitebeach  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:25:07pm

re: #326 stpaulbear

The average age of Fox news viewers is 68. Their own timers are ticking down.

All of our timers are ticking down, bear, including yours. And I’m several years past 68, so I’m having a little trouble seeing how you’re not running a stereotype.

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MsJ  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:25:07pm

re: #333 FormerDirtDart

His “Experience” includes playing college football. Yeah, that is an interesting bio.

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:28:37pm

re: #338 HappyWarrior

I actually knew a family friend who supported his president run in 2000. JFC.

Keyes ran as an Independent in the 2008 presidential elections too I think. That is what I was thinking.

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stpaulbear  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:28:52pm

re: #337 Anymouse 🌹

You were ahead of me here by four years. I’m practically newly-counterfeited.

I think I signed up and then disappeared for a year or so because I forgot my password. One day I just tried the lamest password I could think of and it turned out to be right.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:30:23pm

re: #348 ObserverArt

Keyes ran as an Independent in the 2008 presidential elections too I think. That is what I was thinking.

Not sure.

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Skip Intro  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:32:48pm

Hannity has updated his chart.

thefogbow.com

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ObserverArt  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:33:52pm

re: #350 HappyWarrior

Not sure.

Heh. Just did a Googley search using “2008 Presidential Election Alan Keyes” and their initial Google Wiki info box reports this about the gadfly carpetbagger…

“Keyes ran for President of the United States in 1996, 2000, and 2008. He was the Republican nominee for the U.S. Senate in Maryland against Paul Sarbanes in 1988 and Barbara Mikulski in 1992, as well as in Illinois against Barack Obama in 2004. Keyes lost all three elections by wide margins.”

Perennial Election Beatings.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:34:48pm

re: #329 ObserverArt

Joy Reid had the Rev. Dr. Barber on and he thought this was all a play on civil and voting rights bills of ‘64 and ‘65 and a nod to the Alabama fundie religious racists. “Those” people and the ungodly Democrats and Immigrants are out to kill off Republicans don’t you know and it starts by taking down Roy Moore.

I did hear most of that interview (house chores sometimes come first) but I don’t really think that was Moore’s point. His previous remark referenced another Supreme Court decision. In the clip, he was not discussing laws passed by Congress but Supreme Court rulings that created rights out of nothing.

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JordanRules  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:35:01pm

re: #351 Skip Intro

will.i.am hologram or this is bullshit!!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:37:01pm

re: #353 Hecuba’s daughter

I did hear most of that interview (house chores sometimes come first) but I don’t really think that was Moore’s point. His previous remark referenced another Supreme Court decision. In the clip, he was not discussing laws passed by Congress but Supreme Court rulings that created rights out of nothing.

So Griswold.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:38:26pm

re: #352 ObserverArt

Heh. Just did a Googley search using “2008 Presidential Election Alan Keyes” and their initial Google Wiki info box reports this about the gadfly carpetbagger…

“Keyes ran for President of the United States in 1996, 2000, and 2008. He was the Republican nominee for the U.S. Senate in Maryland against Paul Sarbanes in 1988 and Barbara Mikulski in 1992, as well as in Illinois against Barack Obama in 2004. Keyes lost all three elections by wide margins.”

Perennial Election Beatings.

He’s a frigging kook. The family I knew that supported him looked down on mine because we didn’t wear Christianity on our sleeves.

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stpaulbear  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:38:36pm

re: #346 whitebeach

All of our timers are ticking down, bear, including yours. And I’m several years past 68, so I’m having a little trouble seeing how you’re not running a stereotype.

I’m 63 and I didn’t feel ageist about posting it because I know that all of us oldsters know that we are living on a limited number of years. I don’t feel any need to treat that as an unmentionable fact.

I’m also making the point that it’s the AVERAGE age of Fox viewers. I think if you looked at the average age for any other network new shows, it would be 10-20 years younger.

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fern01  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:45:59pm

re: #279 retired cynic

Australia?

Absolutely no answer to your question in regards to the Moore escape to Australia - but if you would like some relief from US politics, Australian politics at the moment is in the laugh or cry category.

Politicians are being thrown out of parliament basically because they have been found to be dual citizens of Australia and one other country (illegal under the constitution) & in the latest episode of this saga a replacement for one of these folks in the Senate may be ineligible because she worked for the Federal government after losing the election to the ineligible person. (To be eligible for election you cannot be working for the Federal government).

And the same sex marriage vote is advisory only - however legislation will probably be introduced. Tony Abbott who is a resounding NO vote represents an electorate which went 80% YES, while a number of members who are big YES voters come from electorates where the vote was a resounding NO.

The “advisory” vote was expensive, rather pointless, matched the opinion polls and appears to have no impact on how MPs will vote.

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freetoken  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:49:54pm

re: #358 fern01

Posted some Australian links downstairs, to the latest Pauline Hanson fiasco.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 14, 2017 • 8:53:26pm

re: #343 Anymouse 🌹

Sometime in this thread I just surpassed 21,000 upfists. Thanks to the folk here at LGF, the Academy, my mother …

[takes the mic from AM]
I’m really happy for you, I’m gonna let you finish. But HW had the best updings of all time …

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gocart mozart  Nov 14, 2017 • 9:53:22pm

re: #303 Belafon
I read the letter and in my humble legal opinion it is a transparent pathetic scare tactic. I would advise a client to not worry and ignore it and if it was addressed to me I would laugh at it. It is pure bluster with no legal legal leg to stand on. They went after a local paper in the hope of intimidating them.

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John Carter  Nov 15, 2017 • 4:22:42am

re: #281 Scottish Dragon

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Major props for Night of the Comet reference.


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