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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Harris Mint: Not Safe For Work; Jacki Schechner from investigaterussia.org is here today; New allegations against Al Franken; A different take on Louis CK; Roy Moore and 9th Graders; Trump interrupts speech for an awkward drink; Christopher Steele vouches for most of the dossier as factual; The US Embassy in Moscow guarded by former KGB director; Trump repeals Obama’s ban on importation of elephant trophies; and much more.

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327 comments

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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 3:59:40pm

Hmmm…

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:06:36pm

I appreciate Senator Franken’s sincere apology for his inappropriate behavior and am glad that our side isn’t trying to smear the accuser. That’s how you handle issues of sexual harassment. Looking at you, Moore and Trump. Although since the allegations against Moore involve child predation, there is no apology he could make to explain it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:09:53pm

re: #2 Patricia Kayden

I appreciate Senator Franken’s sincere apology for his inappropriate behavior and am glad that our side isn’t trying to smear the accuser. That’s how you handle issues of sexual harassment. Looking at you, Moore and Trump.

Right?! The one thing that is striking me about this whole thing is how we are all handling this more or less like mature adults. Granted, everything is moving at ludicrous speed and we could probably stand to wait and let some more facts come out first, but at least Franken isn’t vehemently denying everything and the Democrats aren’t bashing the crap out of Tweeden.

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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:11:22pm
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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:13:17pm

re: #1 JordanRules

Hmmm…

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That’s… bizarre. Truly.

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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:14:53pm

re: #5 MsJ

It is. The Twitter execs are freakin weird and super tone deaf.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:17:27pm

re: #2 Patricia Kayden

I appreciate Senator Franken’s sincere apology for his inappropriate behavior and am glad that our side isn’t trying to smear the accuser. That’s how you handle issues of sexual harassment. Looking at you, Moore and Trump. Although since the allegations against Moore involve child predation, there is no apology he could make to explain it.

I appreciate Franken’s second apology; his first was awful. I still think he should resign, but of course its up to him. His conduct was indefensible.

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:18:09pm

re: #6 JordanRules

It is. The Twitter execs are freakin weird and super tone deaf.

They’re following the money. They know the trolls and harassers drive up the tweet counts and eyeballs - because everyone wants to see/know who’s accusing whom of what and it becomes a circle of tweets that snowballs.

This is all about the money, not doing what’s right. It never was about doing the right thing.

Twitter doesn’t truly care about the TOS, because we keep seeing how easy it is to circumvent it and for people to game the system all while verified user status is the way to drive even more eyeballs.

Instead of doing what’s right, Twitter increased tweet sizes and the name length.

Guess they wanted to make sure that Russiabots would be able to go by JoeSmith42542542646072760664460772 without worrying about running out of numbers/characters.

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:18:54pm

re: #6 JordanRules

It is. The Twitter execs are freakin weird and super tone deaf.

According to this weird assed policy, they should de-check Trump.

And what do they have…offline investigators to look into people in meat world? Just fucking ban them and be done with it. Jesus.

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:19:26pm
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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:20:39pm

re: #8 lawhawk

Oh I get all that for all the social media platforms, but this new Twitter policy is hella weird.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:21:58pm

re: #11 JordanRules

Oh I get all that for all the social media platforms, but this new Twitter policy is hella weird.

Agreed. Way too invasive IMO.

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:23:57pm

Jonah Goldberg at NRO sorta gets it.

Molesting underage girls ≠ groping.

Are both detestable and deplorable? Absolutely.

In Franken’s case, he came out and admitted the wrongdoing, apologized, and the victim has accepted Franken’s apology all within 24 hours.
In Moore’s case, he’s doxxing journalists, threatening to sue the accusers, and refuses to admit that he’s in any way guilty when the number of accusers keeps piling up and the proof becomes overwhelming that he went hard after high school girls because they were vulnerable and he was using his position to have his way while enforcing silence from his victims.

Oh, and Moore’s supporters are still excusing Moore’s behaviors, even as the evidence piles up.

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:25:33pm

re: #7 Big Beautiful Door

I appreciate Franken’s second apology; his first was awful. I still think he should resign, but of course its up to him. His conduct was indefensible.

Why should he resign? For doing shitty comedy as a comedian? He wasn’t elected at that time. It was stupid and childish and in very poor taste. It didn’t look like he actually touched her. I’m withholding judgment on the kiss thing because of Roger Stone (if that was true I’d be much angrier).

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gocart mozart  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:26:26pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:27:38pm

re: #14 MsJ

Why should he resign? For doing shitty comedy as a comedian? He wasn’t elected at that time. It was stupid and childish and in very poor taste. It didn’t look like he actually touched her. I’m withholding judgment on the kiss thing because of Roger Stone (if that was true I’d be much angrier).

Admittedly, misconduct prior to election is fair game. It’s part of the character and integrity of the man. I’ll grant that it’s almost impossible to find someone in a country of 300 million that doesn’t have at least some skeletons in the closet, the question is one of degree. Franken’s could be worrisome, but on a scale of zero to Roy Moore, I don’t feel I’m in a position to judge if he should resign or not. I won’t feel outraged if he is compelled to resign, but neither will I be disgusted if he elects to stay and isn’t kicked out.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:28:21pm

re: #13 lawhawk

Jonah Goldberg at NRO sorta gets it.

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Molesting underage girls ≠ groping.

Are both detestable and deplorable? Absolutely.

In Franken’s case, he came out and admitted the wrongdoing, apologized, and the victim has accepted Franken’s apology all within 24 hours.
In Moore’s case, he’s doxxing journalists, threatening to sue the accusers, and refuses to admit that he’s in any way guilty when the number of accusers keeps piling up and the proof becomes overwhelming that he went hard after high school girls because they were vulnerable and he was using his position to have his way while enforcing silence from his victims.

Oh, and Moore’s supporters are still excusing Moore’s behaviors, even as the evidence piles up.

And the GOP is panicking as they see an ultra safe seat going up in smoke. Latest Fox News poll has Doug Jones leading Moore by eight points.

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whitebeach  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:28:28pm

Just watched the CBS Evening News, along with a probably a few thousand other geezes nationwide. In between the med commercials, they reported that the latest poll in AL had Jones up 50-42. If accurate, it’s great news. But of course that poll was taken before today’s Franken toxic spill. Who knows how that will affect the many 2-kilobyte mentalities over there.

ETA: You know I’m not talking about you, DD.

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:28:54pm

re: #15 gocart mozart

First of all let’s do away with this bullshit term “alt-right”. How about the White American Bund? That’s much more accurate.

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:30:05pm

re: #16 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Admittedly, misconduct prior to election is fair game. It’s part of the character and integrity of the man. I’ll grant that it’s almost impossible to find someone in a country of 300 million that doesn’t have at least some skeletons in the closet, the question is one of degree. Franken’s could be worrisome, but on a scale of zero to Roy Moore, I don’t feel I’m in a position to judge if he should resign or not. I won’t feel outraged if he is compelled to resign, but neither will I be disgusted if he elects to stay and isn’t kicked out.

I get that. I do. But this, to me, isn’t assault or molestation. It was a bad joke.

If he touched her (tongue or otherwise) - in jest or not - that’s a different ballgame entirely.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:30:13pm

re: #18 whitebeach

Just watched the CBS Evening News, along with a probably a few thousand other geezes nationwide. In between the med commercials, they reported that the latest poll in AL had Jones up 50-42. If accurate, it’s great news. But of course that poll was taken before today’s Franken toxic spill. Who knows how that will affect the many 2-kilobyte mentalities over there.

Considering there were also new victims of Moore, I don’t think much. Expect Lumpy to devote his entire broadcast to the Al Franken scandal.

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:31:04pm

re: #19 Skip Intro

First of all let’s do away with this bullshit term “alt-right”. How about the White American Bund? That’s much more accurate.

I kinda liked alt-white.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:31:16pm

re: #20 MsJ

I get that. I do. But this, to me, isn’t assault or molestation. It was a bad joke.

If he touched her (tongue or otherwise) - in jest or not - that’s a different ballgame entirely.

That’s all fair enough. Now we wait for the facts to come out, as they usually do.

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Kilroy was here  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:31:29pm
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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:32:38pm

Franken welcomes the ethics investigation. Okay.

Let’s apply the same standard Franken is being held to to another office holder, one that the Congressional GOP thus far has completely shielded from deeper scrutiny.

Apply the ethics standards to Trump. Period.

Trump’s accused of far more heinous and troubling things than Franken. There are far more accusations of sex harassment and abuse, plus Trump admitting on tape that he grabbed women regularly, plus the pageant creeping, etc.

And I think Franken knows that this will ultimately inure benefit to the Democrats - 3d chess and all. Sacrifice the bishop to get the checkmate.

If the GOP dominated Senate takes action against Franken they’ll be held to account for failing to do the same to treat Trump accusers and actions the same way.

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:32:54pm

re: #21 Big Beautiful Door

Considering there were also new victims of Moore, I don’t think much. Expect Lumpy to devote his entire broadcast to the Al Franken scandal.

For the next year.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:33:24pm

re: #26 Skip Intro

For the next year decade.

FTFY

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petesh  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:34:02pm

re: #27 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Betcha a nickel Lumpy is gone within the decade!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:35:04pm

re: #22 MsJ

I kinda liked alt-white.

I was always partial to “Y’all Queda” or “Vanilla ISIS”.

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:35:36pm

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

Christian Taliban.

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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:37:22pm

Good!

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:37:34pm

re: #28 petesh

Betcha a nickel Lumpy is gone within the decade!

Betcha a dime I am too, so that doesn’t do me any good.

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gocart mozart  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:38:05pm

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:38:32pm

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

re: #30 lawhawk

Those are all good but what could we come up with that the media would actually use?

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:38:58pm

re: #31 JordanRules

Good!

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That was the most disgusting thing I’ve seen from this group of wretchedly horrible human beings.

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Kragar  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:39:40pm

re: #31 JordanRules

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teleskiguy  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:40:54pm

re: #14 MsJ

Why should he resign?

Because he’s an albatross on all Democrats’ necks - whether we like it or not - because of how RWNJs do politics.

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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:41:12pm

re: #35 MsJ

Uh oh. I believe you just summoned a ‘hold my beer’.
We’ll see what crawls out of the swamp next.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:41:51pm

re: #38 JordanRules

Uh oh. I believe you just summoned a ‘hold my beer’.
We’ll see what crawls out of the swamp next.

Every time you think you build an idiot-proof system, God builds a bigger idiot.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:42:39pm

I mentioned this once in the wee hours so I’ll mention it again. Westworld turned out to be a surprisingly prophetic allegory for 2017’s uprising of the victims of sexual harassment at the hands of psychopathic one percenters.

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:42:41pm

re: #37 teleskiguy

Because he’s an albatross on all Democrats’ necks - whether we like it or not - because of how RWNJs do politics.

So we let them define what we do?

Yeah. No.

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:44:05pm

re: #37 teleskiguy

Because he’s an albatross on all Democrats’ necks - whether we like it or not - because of how RWNJs do politics.

That’s not a good reason to resign.

We discussed this earlier today - cult media will make up attacks regardless of whether they are true or not. There will be attacks whether Democrats are corrupt or pure as the driven snow. It’s like suggesting Hillary should never have run because of Benghazi, or because of Bill.

What he did was gross and wrong. But at the moment, there’s no evidence of a pattern of bad behaviour. And I don’t feel that this event, terrible as it is, warrants the destruction of a distinguished Senate career.

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Nyet  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:44:57pm

Oh look, the little Nazi-sympathizer whines about being called out for retweeting rape apologists, racists and serial liars.

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whitebeach  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:45:57pm

re: #19 Skip Intro

First of all let’s do away with this bullshit term “alt-right”. How about the White American Bund? That’s much more accurate.

Was there something wrong with “fucking Nazis”?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:46:27pm

re: #43 Nyet

Oh look, the little Nazi-sympathizer whines about being called out for retweeting rape apologists, racists and serial liars.

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red pill = the brown acid.

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Targetpractice  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:46:37pm

re: #44 whitebeach

Was there something wrong with “fucking Nazis”?

Short and precise. I like it!

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:47:03pm

re: #44 whitebeach

Was there something wrong with “fucking Nazis”?

Not a bit, but I just don’t see the Washington Post using it. Otherwise it’s perfect.

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petesh  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:48:06pm

re: #32 Skip Intro

Betcha a dime I am too, so that doesn’t do me any good.

That does it. I demand to see an updated, notarized copy of your will. Oh, I suppose I’d better revise write mine too. Ah, fuhgeddabatit. Live long and prosper!

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Interesting Times  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:49:16pm

re: #17 Big Beautiful Door

And the GOP is panicking as they see an ultra safe seat going up in smoke. Latest Fox News poll has Doug Jones leading Moore by eight points.

But wait, there’s MOAR!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:50:41pm

re: #43 Nyet

Oh look, the little Nazi-sympathizer whines about being called out for retweeting rape apologists, racists and serial liars.

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Milo and Cernovich I know. Who or what the fuck is a RooshV?

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Nyet  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:50:49pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:53:58pm

re: #43 Nyet

I don’t miss him or his claims of being a feminist.

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CBGB  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:54:36pm

re: #50 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

A “pick up artist.”

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:56:48pm

re: #51 Nyet

My German is pretty much limited to mit and “Was is das klo?” What are we looking at?

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:57:19pm

re: #50 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Milo and Cernovich I know. Who or what the fuck is a RooshV?

That guy in England who’s a misogynist who thinks he’s some kind of player. Lives with his mom if I recall.

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teleskiguy  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:57:20pm

Politically, Al Franken will be a disaster for Democrats in the future. Sorry, but Republicans hold their office holders to a different standard than Democrats. They fucking put a rapist in the White House and will likely elect a child molester to the Senate. Republican pols will capitalize on Franken maximally, we’re talkin’ attack ads, more asinine whataboutism, and faux outrage. Guess what, folks, that shit works on the Republican base, mobilizes them, and gets them to the polls. Just because “our side” is righteous doesn’t make the “other side” automatically stop thinking we’re evil.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:58:08pm

re: #53 CBGB

A “pick up artist.”

Ah, one of those shitheads. Got it. Funny thing about those douchecanoes is how close I came to being one. It’s an easy siren song to fall into when you’re frustrated by love. Humans naturally want to think that it’s not their fault.

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I cannot.  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:58:12pm

re: #50 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Think a dumber, shittier pick-up-artist version of Cernovich. Yes, shittier. He writes “self-help” books with titles like “Bang” to help people with no Game get Game with women. And about a billion knockoff books like “Bang: Ukraine” to help you get Game with Ukrainian women.

And also the cops had to find him living in his parents basement.

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:58:47pm

re: #53 CBGB

A “pick up artist.”

Whose stated belief is that rape should be legal on private property.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2017 • 4:59:06pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

…and? They’re going to do that whether or not he’s in the Senate.

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teleskiguy  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:00:56pm

re: #60 klys (maker of Silmarils)

If Franken resigned, that deflates their claim that Democrats coddle sexual predators.

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Schweppes7  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:01:05pm
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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:01:24pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

In that case, all that is required for complete takeover of the government is for one person after another make a claim of sexual harassment about a Democratic office holder. If the claim is enough to make them resign, then we are done.

We should say we are appalled and deeply disappointed. That we are glad that he has apologized and had the apology accepted, and that the ethics process that he has freely agreed to should play out.

If it discovers wrong-doing, he has the right to either resign or not run for re-election, and if he decides to run, the voters have the right to not vote for him.

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The Major  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:02:58pm

re: #43 Nyet

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:03:42pm

re: #61 teleskiguy

If Franken resigned, that deflates their claim that Democrats coddle sexual predators.

No, it doesn’t. Because they’ll come back with some rot about how they “must have known”, and they ran him and elected him anyway, and how DARE the Democrats withhold such vital information from the voting public, blah blah blah. It doesn’t have to be true - we all know the GOP will flat-out lie to get their way, even after they’ve been caught and discredited. It’s all about the court of opinion, and they fight dirty. So in that vein, if he turns out not to be guilty of any actual assault, then I say the GOP can go fuck themselves. There’s no issue of integrity in him staying, though it may be in poor taste.

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Citizen K  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:03:50pm

re: #61 teleskiguy

If Franken resigned, that deflates their claim that Democrats coddle sexual predators.

It…really didn’t work with Weinstein, with Spitzer, with Weiner, etc. The problem is that the Franken accusations are going to hang on our necks regardless of whether he resigns or not. The very fact that he’s a Dem and did this is enough for them to pretend that Democrats ‘coddle sexual predators’ already. Hell, Bill Clinton’s continued existence is enough to get some Dems to want a party reckoning on that measure.

If Franken is to resign, it needs to be on the strength of the accusations and the seriousness of them, not because we’re playing defense for a Republican attack that they’ll hammer us with regardless.

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Belafon  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:04:28pm

After Trump and Moore, I think it’s time we held our standards without worrying about Republicans.

And my standard on Franken is: damn, he fucked up. Did he apologize sincerely? We’ll have to watch him now a bit more.

I voted for Hillary last year even though she embellished the story about being under fire.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:05:54pm

re: #50 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Milo and Cernovich I know. Who or what the fuck is a RooshV?

Roosh the Douche as my Dad calls him. He’s this sexist asshole who thinks he’s hot shit. My dad’s wingnut friend used to forward him(my Dad) Roosh’s pathetic bullshit. It almost reads like a satire of a MRA.

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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:06:00pm

re: #62 Schweppes7

Interesting!

IIRC, part of the reason Mueller’s team pulled the no knock warrant out on Manafort was because they didn’t think he disclosed or provided all the documentation they requested.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:06:17pm

re: #67 Belafon

After Trump and Moore, I think it’s time we held our standards without worrying about Republicans.

And my standard on Franken is: damn, he fucked up. Did he apologize sincerely? We’ll have to watch him now a bit more.

I voted for Hillary last year even though she embellished the story about being under fire.

Agree with this.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:08:32pm
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:08:46pm
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whitebeach  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:08:58pm

re: #61 teleskiguy

If Franken resigned, that deflates their claim that Democrats coddle sexual predators.

Oh fuck that. You think that’s gonna matter to them or their base, or their base-enablers? They’re gonna believe Dems are Satan’s angels no matter what. If the Franken thing turns out to be some kind of habitual deal, fine, bag him up, but so far I don’t see that.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:09:13pm

re: #72 FormerDirtDart

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Damn, people, it’s not even Thanksgiving yet and the War on Christmas has already started.

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I cannot.  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:09:21pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:09:44pm

If you think Al Franken will get a fair hearing in a Senate Ethics Committee, you’re trippin’. The longer this is played out, the more damaging to Democrats in the long run. That’s the breaks, sorry.

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weave  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:09:52pm

What the living fuck is wrong with some people?

They don’t give a single fuck about Leeann Tweeden. All they care about is their team winning. They got the ball. It’s their play. They are going to score. That’s all that matters.

And if you think Franken resigning will stop this shit, look at the pic. Weiner is in prison, and yet there he is.

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piratedan  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:10:15pm

re: #63 retired cynic

I wholeheartedly agree, with the GOP it really doesn’t matter if you’re guilty or not, for example, the last election where we saw everything thrown at Ms. Clinton, shit even now, they’re busy trying to project their own treasonous shit onto her via the Nothingburger Uranium One deal.

It just doesn’t fucking matter with these guys…Hillary Clinton, murdered Vince Foster and ran a child porn ring out of a fucking pizza parlor…Obama, illegally was President of the nation for 8 years… so what? Elizabeth Warren and the Pocahontas digs…

If the ethics committee clears him, the lady transgressed upon has accepted his apology, then the voters can decide…

but taking players off of the board because of what the GOP might do? fuck that, they do it regardless. Shit, they’ve already been bought by the Russians, can’t expect them to have anything resembling morals or ethics to abide by.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:10:20pm

re: #72 FormerDirtDart

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Oh my god, who the fuck cares. If you don’t like what their coffee cups promote, don’t get your coffee there. And second of all, it’s a goddamn coffee cup but go on FNC tell us more about how liberal college students are the most overly sensitive people in the world.

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teleskiguy  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:10:25pm

I’m outta here.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:11:08pm

re: #76 teleskiguy

If you think Al Franken will get a fair hearing in a Sentate Ethics Committee, you’re trippin’. The longer this is played out, the more damaging to Democrats in the long run. That’s the breaks, sorry.

Nobody thinks he’s going to get a fair hearing. Have you heard anyone say that? But do you genuinely think the Republicans are going to let this go if he resigns the Senate? Be honest with us, I genuinely want to know.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:12:48pm

re: #74 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Damn, people, it’s not even Thanksgiving yet and the War on Christmas has already started.

Preemptive strike.
FOX New has always been an ardent supporter of the Bush Doctrine, after all.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:12:49pm

re: #72 FormerDirtDart

GAY AGENDA ALERT!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:12:52pm

It’s been a long, shitty day.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:13:24pm

re: #73 whitebeach

Oh fuck that. You think that’s gonna matter to them or their base, or their base-enablers? They’re gonna believe Dems are Satan’s angels no matter what. If the Franken thing turns out to be some kind of habitual deal, fine, bag him up, but so far I don’t see that.

The GOP will do what its going to do. The real reasons Franken should resign are first, what he did, forcing his tongue into her mouth, is sexual assault, and horrendously wrong. Second, he should resign not because of what the GOP will do, but because the Democrats need to show all the women who have been energized to get involved and fight for their rights that they are not a good ole boys club like the GOP. I kind of miss the old days of British politics when ministers would resign like gentlemen when the need arose rather than fighting to cling to public office as though their lives depended on it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:13:32pm

re: #84 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s been a long, shitty day.

Heh. What’s funny is that this is probably the first non-totally-shitty day I’ve had since before Halloween. I actually laughed once.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:13:57pm

re: #72 FormerDirtDart

Attention Fox: Not everything tacky is gay.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:14:03pm

re: #82 FormerDirtDart

Preemptive strike.
FOX New has always been an ardent supporter of the Bush Doctrine, after all.

What’s that, “Kill ‘em all, let God sort ‘em out?”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:14:17pm

re: #55 MsJ

That guy in England who’s a misogynist who thinks he’s some kind of player. Lives with his mom if I recall.

Correct loser abode; incorrect location. The fucker lives in his mom’s basement IN MY TOWN, which abuts Washington, DC

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:14:26pm
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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:15:33pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:18:21pm

Okay, I had to go the Fox “News” article and see what the evidence is against the Christmas hating libs at Starbucks this time.

It’s even worse than I expected, which is saying a lot:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:19:09pm

re: #89 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Correct loser abode; incorrect location. The fucker lives in his mom’s basement IN MY TOWN, which abuts Washington, DC

Damn that asshole is in Silver Spring?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:19:28pm

re: #92 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Okay, I had to go the Fox “News” article and see what the evidence is against the Christmas hating libs at Starbucks this time.
It’s even worse than I expected, which is saying a lot:

[Embedded content]

What… What the…

[Flips desk, lights on fire.]

Fuck these people with rusty sporks. All of ‘em. IT’S A GODDAMN LINE DRAWING, HOW CAN YOU FUCKING TELL?!?

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scottslemmons  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:20:07pm

re: #92 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Okay, I had to go the Fox “News” article and see what the evidence is against the Christmas hating libs at Starbucks this time.
It’s even worse than I expected, which is saying a lot:

[Embedded content]

IF ONE OF THE HANDS ISN’T HAIRY AND DIRTY AND ISN’T BEATING UP A GIRL, THEN IT IS ALL LESBIANS

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:20:20pm

re: #92 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Okay, I had to go the Fox “News” article and see what the evidence is against the Christmas hating libs at Starbucks this time.
It’s even worse than I expected, which is saying a lot:

[Embedded content]

I wish I lived a sheltered enough life where something like a coffee cup would be my concerns. Again conservatives, please again tell us why we liberals are so hypersensitive. I mean at least I get bothered by legitimate shit.

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:20:46pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

Oh my god, who the fuck cares. If you don’t like what their coffee cups promote, don’t get your coffee there. And second of all, it’s a goddamn coffee cup but go on FNC tell us more about how liberal college students are the most overly sensitive people in the world.

I’m not sure what their issue is with the design. People holding hands, what?

Fuck em. I highly doubt Starbucks cares. It’s gotta be “then again? Yeah, whatever” in Seattle.

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:21:01pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

I’m outta here.

I’m sorry you feel that way. I was expressing my opinion about the topic in a respectful way.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:21:53pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

I wish I lived a sheltered enough life where something like a coffee cup would be my concerns. Again conservatives, please again tell us why we liberals are so hypersensitive. I mean at least I get bothered by legitimate shit.

No, you don’t. The kind of sheltered life a wingnut leads is not unicorns and puppies. It’s fear and paranoia masked in religious fervor.

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:22:16pm

re: #85 Big Beautiful Door

The GOP will do what its going to do. The real reasons Franken should resign are first, what he did, forcing his tongue into her mouth, is sexual assault, and horrendously wrong. Second, he should resign not because of what the GOP will do, but because the Democrats need to show all the women who have been energized to get involved and fight for their rights that they are not a good ole boys club like the GOP. I kind of miss the old days of British politics when ministers would resign like gentlemen when the need arose rather than fighting to cling to public office as though their lives depended on it.

Hold on now. Did he force his tongue into her mouth? Because that’s a different thing.

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CBGB  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:22:21pm

re: #57 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Ha! Me too, it’s scary to think about now. Young, still kinda spongy, with a few douchey friends you don’t quite realize are douchey yet, you know? They even gave me The Game to read, which is basically their bible. Never touched it or even realized what it was until years later, and then rapidly realized how awful those dudes were. Close call, brother.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:22:42pm

re: #44 whitebeach

Was there something wrong with “fucking Nazis”?

Most of them can’t get laid, so “fucking” is not something they do.

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:23:05pm

re: #100 MsJ

That’s what she said.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:23:20pm

re: #97 MsJ

I’m not sure what their issue is with the design. People holding hands, what?

Fuck em. I highly doubt Starbucks cares. It’s gotta be “then again? Yeah, whatever” in Seattle.

Yeah I don’t know how you get “gay” from that image. Even if so, so? Starbucks isn’t going to care. It does bug me though that a major news network is focusing their attention on this.

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CBGB  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:23:32pm

re: #58 I cannot.

“And also the cops had to find him living in his parents basement.”

So very literally.

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:23:38pm

re: #80 teleskiguy

I’m outta here.

Skiguy, come on.

Are you leaving the discussion because not everyone agrees with you?

Is everything okay?

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:24:08pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t know how you get “gay” from that image. Even if so, so? Starbucks isn’t going to care. It does bug me though that a major news network is focusing their attention on this.

They may have even done it for the lulz, and the free advertising.

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:24:17pm

re: #92 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Okay, I had to go the Fox “News” article and see what the evidence is against the Christmas hating libs at Starbucks this time.

It’s even worse than I expected, which is saying a lot:

[Embedded content]

Starbucks should just go fuck it and use jazz hands. Everyone knows that’s gay. //

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:25:07pm

re: #107 retired cynic

They may have even done it for the lulz, and the free advertising.

They know how to trigger wingnuts that’s for sure. Gah I love the Holiday season but I hate how every November we have to hear the annual whining about plastic coffee cups and then about Happy Holidays.

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:25:10pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Are you calling Fox a news network?

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:26:02pm

re: #84 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s been a long, shitty day.

There have been a ton of those.

But if you let it get you too down the only one that suffers is you.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:26:03pm

re: #110 Skip Intro

Are you calling Fox a news network?

Fair enough but you know my point. A lot of people do get their news from them. I know they’re a propaganda outlet.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:26:19pm

re: #100 MsJ

Hold on now. Did he force his tongue into her mouth? Because that’s a different thing.

Here is her full statement of allegations:

kabc.com

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The Major  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:27:10pm

Time to sorta lighten things up….I give you Archer’s “Prayer”:

Archers “Bloody Mary prayer”

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:27:44pm

re: #85 Big Beautiful Door

The GOP will do what its going to do. The real reasons Franken should resign are first, what he did, forcing his tongue into her mouth, is sexual assault, and horrendously wrong. Second, he should resign not because of what the GOP will do, but because the Democrats need to show all the women who have been energized to get involved and fight for their rights that they are not a good ole boys club like the GOP. I kind of miss the old days of British politics when ministers would resign like gentlemen when the need arose rather than fighting to cling to public office as though their lives depended on it.

Problem being OUR lives depend on all of this.

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scottslemmons  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:28:40pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

They know how to trigger wingnuts that’s for sure. Gah I love the Holiday season but I hate how every November we have to hear the annual whining about plastic coffee cups and then about Happy Holidays.

They have a screaming meltdown about every holiday cup Starbucks puts out. All one color? NOT ENUFF CHRISMAS! Fill the cup with pictures of random holiday stuff? OMG, TINY DETAIL TO FIND OFFENSE AT!

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Bubblehead II  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:28:48pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

Politically, Al Franken will be a disaster for Democrats in the future. Sorry, but Republicans hold their office holders to a different standard than Democrats. They fucking put a rapist in the White House and will likely elect a child molester to the Senate. Republican pols will capitalize on Franken maximally, we’re talkin’ attack ads, more asinine whataboutism, and faux outrage. Guess what, folks, that shit works on the Republican base, mobilizes them, and gets them to the polls. Just because “our side” is righteous doesn’t make the “other side” automatically stop thinking we’re evil.

Sorry, but unless something else comes up that shows Franken to be a serial harasser/predator this incident, while bad, isn’t enough to demand he resign. He admitted his transgression, apologized and said apology has been accepted. Let the system run its course. This pearl clutching that the republicans will use this to smear all Democrats for the sin(s) of one man is nothing more than purity politics at its worst.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:29:13pm

re: #116 scottslemmons

They have a screaming meltdown about every holiday cup Starbucks puts out. All one color? NOT ENUFF CHRISMAS! Fill the cup with pictures of random holiday stuff? OMG, TINY DETAIL TO FIND OFFENSE AT!

And they still call us triggered.

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:29:22pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

They do this every single year, followed by O’Reilly’s annual War on Christmas, which will be handled by Tucker Carlson this year.

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:29:34pm

re: #103 Skip Intro

That’s what she said.

Yes it is what she said.

And I’m having a very hard time with this because, as I’ve mentioned several times, in this case I don’t believe it. When Roger Stone knows about this a day before anyone else, I’m just not buying it. Supposedly, but not confirmed, hannity said he saw the picture years ago. She works for Fox.

I’m sorry. This one I’m having a hard time taking this at face value. Roger Stone being anywhere near it (with some kind of advance notice) is giving me a big time Wait And See.

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The Major  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:30:12pm

re: #115 ObserverArt

Problem being OUR lives depend on all of this.

And when “Diaper” Dan Vitter (R-LA) was found to be consorting with hookers, breaking the most holiest of vows one could take, he got a motherfucking PASS….

Where do we set the bar at ?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:30:24pm

re: #61 teleskiguy

If Franken resigned, that deflates their claim that Democrats coddle sexual predators.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

Not. A. Chance.

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:30:26pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t know how you get “gay” from that image. Even if so, so? Starbucks isn’t going to care. It does bug me though that a major news network is focusing their attention on this.

A Republican propaganda outlet masquerading as news.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:31:03pm

re: #119 Skip Intro

They do this every single year, followed by O’Reilly’s annual War on Christmas, which will be handled by Tucker Carlson this year.

I know and it’s tiring.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:31:09pm

Oh, joy, now they’re issuing reports that Charles Manson is still alive:

Officials confirm Charles Manson alive after hospitalization reports

Is this going to be another Francisco Franco thing?
Can comedians look forward to years of Manson-still-dead jokes once the evil bastard does kick off?

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scottslemmons  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:31:09pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

And they still call us triggered.

Yup. Their only emotions are howling-at-the-TV ragegasms and hiding-under-the-bed panics.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:31:15pm

re: #119 Skip Intro

They do this every single year, followed by O’Reilly’s annual War on Christmas, which will be handled by Tucker Carlson this year.

Is that before or after the airing of grievances?

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:31:29pm

re: #121 The Major

And when “Diaper” Dan Vitter (R-LA) was found to be consorting with hookers, breaking the most holiest of vows one could take, he got a motherfucking PASS….

Where do we set the bar at ?

It’s already on the ground. I guess we could dig a ditch to lay it in.

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whitebeach  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:31:31pm

re: #85 Big Beautiful Door

The GOP will do what its going to do. The real reasons Franken should resign are first, what he did, forcing his tongue into her mouth, is sexual assault, and horrendously wrong. Second, he should resign not because of what the GOP will do, but because the Democrats need to show all the women who have been energized to get involved and fight for their rights that they are not a good ole boys club like the GOP. I kind of miss the old days of British politics when ministers would resign like gentlemen when the need arose rather than fighting to cling to public office as though their lives depended on it.

OK, I’m probably gonna get in big trouble here, but let me take your points as I see them. First, it’s damn near physically impossible to “force” your tongue into anybody’s mouth without some degree of openness. Second, even if this happened as you describe, it in no way compares with the actions of people like Roy Moore and hardly fits with some scenario of a “good ole boys club like the GOP.” Third, I think your view of “the old days of British politics” is charmingly rose-tinted.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:31:38pm

re: #115 ObserverArt

Problem being OUR lives depend on all of this.

Franken resigning won’t end our lives. The Governor will appoint a Democrat to replace him, and in the current political climate the Democrats will be favored to retain the seat in the special election. It will show women that Democrats take fighting for their rights seriously. But it is Franken’s decision, and it appears that for now he is not inclined to resign.

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:32:24pm

re: #91 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

That’s Charlie the dog from The Today Show along with his trainer. Cool.

He’s a good doggie.

Iframe

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:33:27pm

re: #131 ObserverArt

That’s Charlie the dog from The Today Show along with his trainer. Cool.

He’s a good doggie.

[Embedded content]

♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:34:57pm

re: #97 MsJ

I’m not sure what their issue is with the design. People holding hands, what?

Fuck em. I highly doubt Starbucks cares. It’s gotta be “then again? Yeah, whatever” in Seattle.

At this point I wouldn’t put it past Starbucks from intentionally coming up with the most mildly non-absurd cup they can come up with that would generate wingnut poutrage.

Regular, free advertising

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The Major  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:35:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:35:32pm

re: #133 bill d. (b.d.)

At this point I wouldn’t put it past Starbucks from intentionally coming up with the most mildly non-absurd cup they can come up with that would generate wingnut poutrage.

Regular, free advertising

I wouldn’t put it past them. It’s three years in a row now right?

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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:35:42pm

re: #125 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I didn’t know he had supposedly died!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:36:04pm

re: #134 The Major

[Embedded content]

You can tell how much he really cares with his smug attitude. Fuck him.

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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:36:49pm

re: #131 ObserverArt

Oh nice! I didn’t realize that.

Very good boy!

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:37:36pm

re: #100 MsJ

Hold on now. Did he force his tongue into her mouth? Because that’s a different thing.

I think you’ve been missing details. That is what she claims, yes. It has been stated that way from early this morning.

Franken said it wasn’t that way as he admitted there was a practice kiss for their show routine.

That is what I was talking about earlier about fighting over details and he-said-she-said and was she enhancing the details of the kiss?

Since he had admitted right off to the whole thing, kiss and all, I wonder about that one detail because that is THE detail.

(Stepping lightly)

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Bubblehead II  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:38:18pm

re: #61 teleskiguy

If Franken resigned, that deflates their claim that Democrats coddle sexual predators.

Bull. They’ll only use his resignation as a club, It’s what republicans do. Purity politics cost us the White House. Time to jettison it before it costs us even more.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:39:24pm

re: #136 JordanRules

I didn’t know he had supposedly died!

He hasn’t, unless it’s been in the last half hour or so, but the watch is on and Twitter is on fire with fake announcements.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:39:57pm

re: #111 ObserverArt

There have been a ton of those.

But if you let it get you too down the only one that suffers is you.

I’m well aware. There are reasons I limit my interactions on various topics. I’m emotionally exhausted enough that I can’t keep firing on all cylinders and the constant outrage makes it worse, not better.

I also try to keep my diet of smug assholes to a minimum.

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:40:24pm

re: #110 Skip Intro

Are you calling Fox a news network?

They do…all fair and balanced and shit.

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The Major  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:40:41pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:40:46pm

re: #141 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

This is California. We’ll fly in specialists and spend millions of dollars to,keep him alive.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:41:16pm

re: #127 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Is that before or after the airing of grievances?

Airing of Grievances is now a year-round activity for Fox.

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:41:37pm

re: #143 ObserverArt

They do…all fair and balanced and shit.

I thought they finally stopped using that because it upset the audience.

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The Major  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:41:42pm

re: #143 ObserverArt

They do…all fair and balanced and shit.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:44:27pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:45:39pm

re: #121 The Major

And when “Diaper” Dan Vitter (R-LA) was found to be consorting with hookers, breaking the most holiest of vows one could take, he got a motherfucking PASS….

Where do we set the bar at ?

We’ve already decided the bar is on the ground and in the process of being stomped into the dirt.

Trump did that.

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The Major  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:45:58pm

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Targetpractice  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:46:15pm

Forcing Franken’s resignation won’t satisfy the wingnuts, and it won’t do much to blunt the “Both Sides” crowd are already chattering away about how “both sides” have a problem with sexual harassment among their male members. So who exactly are we trying to impress by demanding his resignation? Ourselves by saying that we’re holding to beliefs that (from all appearances) only we seem to adhere to?

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:46:47pm

re: #126 scottslemmons

Yup. Their only emotions are howling-at-the-TV ragegasms and hiding-under-the-bed panics.

Some on the left are pretty good at hiding under the bed…away from those scary Republicans.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:46:55pm

Can we please at least put kita’s tweets behind a spoiler if you insist on poking at him?

Some of us really, really don’t miss him and don’t particularly want to read his bullshit.

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:47:11pm

re: #128 Skip Intro

It’s already on the ground. I guess we could dig a ditch to,lay it in.

Beat me to similar comment.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:48:15pm
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The Major  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:48:22pm

re: #152 Targetpractice

Look - we either admit we’re human, or we don’t. Now, if we keep repeating the same behavior, then that’s a problem -and that definitely appears to be something with Trump - bot no so much with Franken - can we at least agree with that ?

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scottslemmons  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:48:32pm

re: #154 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Can we please at least put kita’s tweets behind a spoiler if you insist on poking at him?

Some of us really, really don’t miss him and don’t particularly want to read his bullshit.

He’s better forgotten.

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The Major  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:48:59pm

re: #154 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m done with him for now….and done.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:49:17pm

re: #158 scottslemmons

He’s better forgotten.

I agree, but I realize that some people seem to find value in trolling others so I won’t tell them not to. Just please don’t make me read it. I really don’t have the reserves after today.

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:49:54pm

re: #149 goddamnedfrank

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Targetpractice  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:51:24pm

re: #157 The Major

Look - we either admit we’re human, or we don’t. Now, if we keep repeating the same behavior, then that’s a problem -and that definitely appears to be something with Trump - bot no so much with Franken - can we at least agree with that ?

Totally agree, Franken fucked up and we all agree on that. He’s apologized for that fuck-up and the apology has been accepted. While I agree we need to be taking sexual harassment and assault seriously, there is a point where overreaction becomes just as harmful. And forcing his resignation over a singular event would (IMHO) be an overreaction.

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Targetpractice  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:51:42pm

re: #161 lawhawk

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Wake me up for the Feats of Strength.

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:52:28pm

re: #129 whitebeach

OK, I’m probably gonna get in big trouble here, but let me take your points as I see them. First, it’s damn near physically impossible to “force” your tongue into anybody’s mouth without some degree of openness. Second, even if this happened as you describe, it in no way compares with the actions of people like Roy Moore and hardly fits with some scenario of a “good ole boys club like the GOP.” Third, I think your view of “the old days of British politics” is charmingly rose-tinted.

I was going to get into that…but I’ve already gotten into too much.

Added to your comment though…she claims she didn’t want to do the kiss in practice for the show. Then she said she relented and said she reluctantly agreed to do the practice.

If you don’t want a kiss, I would, like you, think it is pretty impossible to force a tongue into a clenched mouth.

That does not deny the practice kiss which Franken admits to but says it wasn’t like what she claims.

Again…those details.

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:54:34pm

re: #139 ObserverArt

I think you’ve been missing details. That is what she claims, yes. It has been stated that way from early this morning.

Franken said it wasn’t that way as he admitted there was a practice kiss for their show routine.

That is what I was talking about earlier about fighting over details and he-said-she-said and was she enhancing the details of the kiss?

Since he had admitted right off to the whole thing, kiss and all, I wonder about that one detail because that is THE detail.

(Stepping lightly)

No. I didn’t. My question was Did He? as in did he really, because this one I’m not buying. I’ll gladly retract all my hesitation is he says he did it (which I don’t think he did. He originally said he remembered it differently and the picture isn’t showing physical contact. Yes it’s southerly poor taste but neither assault or molestation.) but I cannot get past Roger Stone knowing in advance. I just can’t.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:55:38pm

re: #61 teleskiguy

If Franken resigned, that deflates their claim that Democrats coddle sexual predators.

I have to disagree here. There’s absolutely nothing anyone can do to deflate a right wing claim — these claims exist in an alternate universe that simply has nothing to do with facts or reality, and I don’t think this is a good reason for Franken to resign. It won’t make any difference in how the right attacks Democrats.

This is one of the really frustrating things about behaving with a sense of ethics and morality — Republicans simply don’t care about your ethics or how you behave, and react exactly the same way in any case.

Not arguing that we SHOULDN’T hold our people to a higher standard. Just saying we shouldn’t ever expect it to have any effect on right wingers, because it’s irrelevant to them.

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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:56:33pm

re: #165 MsJ

Franken’s claims about remembering it differently are about the kiss for the skit, not the picture.

Roger Stone leaks shit all the time.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:56:48pm

Meanwhile…

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Citizen K  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:57:36pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

I have to disagree here. There’s absolutely nothing anyone can do to deflate a right wing claim — these claims exist in an alternate universe that simply has nothing to do with facts or reality, and I don’t think this is a good reason for Franken to resign. It won’t make any difference in how the right attacks Democrats.

This is one of the really frustrating things about behaving with a sense of ethics and morality — Republicans simply don’t care about your ethics or how you behave, and react exactly the same way in any case.

Not arguing that we SHOULDN’T hold our people to a higher standard. Just saying we shouldn’t ever expect it to have any effect on right wingers, because it’s irrelevant to them.

Exactly. Like I said before, if he resigns, it has to be off the merit and seriousness of the accusations against him, not to preemptively cut off an attack on the party that the resignation won’t actually abate, ever.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2017 • 5:59:57pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:00:32pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

It’s a bot.

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:00:39pm

re: #167 JordanRules

Franken’s claims about remembering it differently are about the kiss for the skit, not the picture.

Roger Stone leaks shit all the time.

In know it was about the kiss. Because that is physical contact which I’d have a huge issue with. The picture doesn’t show contact - again, something I’d take huge issue with.

What I see is a childish stupid guy prank for laughs (he was a comedian then). It was stupid. It was crass. And it wasn’t funny. But it wasn’t physical contact which to me isn’t assault or molestation.

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:01:50pm

re: #167 JordanRules

Roger Stone leaks shit all the time.

My question or issue is how did he know? She works at Fox. I have trust issues with both.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:02:24pm

re: #171 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s a bot.

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I know. I just block them immediately.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:02:52pm

re: #161 lawhawk

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:03:12pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile…

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Non-judicial killing of large numbers of citizens of the country you’re President of makes you a mass murderer

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:03:19pm
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William Lewis  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:03:48pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

That’s a stupid way of doing the right wing’s job - force out one of the most effective anti-Grand Old Fascist voices in the Senate and leave America even more at the Fascist’s mercy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:04:52pm

re: #171 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s a bot.

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As someone Tweeted yesterday, “You make an interesting point, random first name and series of numbers.”

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lawhawk  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:05:03pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Looks like you snagged another Russia bot.

Duterte has admitted to murdering people personally before he got into politics.

He’s overseen a military/police that has engaged in extrajudicial killings of anyone they deem undesirable, and not just drug lords or dealers.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:05:14pm

re: #177 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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“And the portions are too small!”

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:05:14pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile…

If it wasn’t an obvious Russian bot w/ eight digits in the handle I’d ask how they reconcile advocacy of extrajudicial murder with the Ben Franklin “liberty or safety” quote in their bio.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:05:52pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile…

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Extra-judicially? Fuckin’ a right it does.

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:06:01pm

re: #152 Targetpractice

Forcing Franken’s resignation won’t satisfy the wingnuts, and it won’t do much to blunt the “Both Sides” crowd are already chattering away about how “both sides” have a problem with sexual harassment among their male members. So who exactly are we trying to impress by demanding his resignation? Ourselves by saying that we’re holding to beliefs that (from all appearances) only we seem to adhere to?

I just flipped on Rachel Maddow and she opened the show with Franken.

Cryptically she just said this seems to be opening a big bag of Congressional abuse allegations…and not just against Franken.

Oh joy. This is going to get real messy and probably grind Congress to a halt. But, it probably needs to be done.

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BeachDem  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:06:43pm

re: #84 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s been a long, shitty day.

And I came back from lunch with a wonderful tale of hope and excitement to report. Sigh.

We had our Dem candidate for governor speak and he is the real deal. Smart, well-spoken, totally gets it and is on the right side of every issue and not afraid to say it. We drew 50 people for a lunchtime meeting to hear him speak. Excited, supportive Democrats.

And now this—I agree wholeheartedly with your earlier post (you know which one I mean.) All this he MUST resign today; Dems must be perfect or we give the right wing ammunition stuff is really making me crazy.

Just editing to add his name—James Smith. Duh.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:06:58pm
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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:07:40pm

re: #184 ObserverArt

I just flipped on Rachel Maddow and she opened the show with Franken.

Cryptically she just said this seems to be opening a big bag of Congressional abuse allegations…and not just against Franken.

Oh joy. This is going to get real messy and probably grind Congress to a halt. But, it probably needs to be done.

If he did something as a Congress critter, fuck him and every single other abuser. Make them all gone. I’m standing by what I said… I’m waiting for more info on Franken.

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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:07:45pm

re: #172 MsJ

She makes a claim of physical contact that there is no picture of. He said he remembers how it went down differently. Damn near stipulating something happened (misinterpreted? unintentional?) and he apologized.

She works at a Cumulus station, not a Fox affiliate and definitely not FNC.

Story was obviously being worked on before it broke, word got out among the media circles and Stone did his usual. That seems very plausible

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allegro  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:08:23pm

There’s this thing we call “boundaries”. It’s a thing we humans have trouble with often because they’re invisible, particularly with people we don’t know. We don’t often communicate them well even when we know where our own boundaries are. We assume others share them when often they don’t and we can’t tell until they’ve crossed the line of our own personal boundaries. We can completely unknowingly and without any ill intent whatsover cross another’s boundaries and I submit we have all done that at some point in time. Probably many times over a lifetime.

From what I’ve heard so far in the Franken situation, this is where I’m filing the incident (pending possible future information). I see him and another performer on equal footing who were likely playful in their interactions to that point. Franken went too far and crossed her boundaries. It certainly warrants a sincere apology once he learned about it (from her account it appears she let it go at the time as women typically do) which he has now done. She has accepted that apology graciously.

I’m just not seeing harassment or abuse here. I’ve been on the bad end of both more than once as have most women. I’ve also had playful relationships with men friends and coworkers that inadvertently crossed a boundary line with no ill intent. They are very, very different things.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:08:48pm

The good news is only six more weeks until legal retail weed in California.

I have no idea how I’ve managed to survive this year without it.

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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:08:48pm

re: #184 ObserverArt

Oh yeah, this is going to get worse I’d bet. Franken is a baby test.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:08:56pm

Crazed Republican operative violates 11th commandment—-thou shalt not get caught——forced to resign.

The director of the Homeland Security Department’s office of faith-based partnerships has resigned following a CNN report on racially inflammatory remarks he made before joining the federal government.

Rev. Jamie Johnson was appointed in April to lead DHS’ Center for Faith-Based & Neighborhood Partnerships, which works with churches and community organizations on disaster response.

In one clip posted by CNN, Johnson said, “America’s black community … has turned America’s major cities into slums because of laziness, drug use and sexual promiscuity.”

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:09:25pm

re: #188 JordanRules

She makes a claim of physical contact that there is no picture of. He said he remembers how it went down differently. Damn near stipulating something happened (misinterpreted? unintentional?) and he apologized.

She works at a Cumulus station, not a Fox affiliate and definitely not FNC.

Story was obviously being worked on before it broke, word got out among the media circles and Stone did his usual. That seems very plausible

I got that he was apologizing for the picture.

I’m going into 24 hour mode.

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:11:18pm

re: #165 MsJ

No. I didn’t. My question was Did He? as in did he really, because this one I’m not buying. I’ll gladly retract all my hesitation is he says he did it (which I don’t think he did. He originally said he remembered it differently and the picture isn’t showing physical contact. Yes it’s southerly poor taste but neither assault or molestation.) but I cannot get past Roger Stone knowing in advance. I just can’t.

Sorry, read your comment wrong, the way you stated it seemed you didn’t hear about the ramming tongue.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:12:24pm

I have no doubt there are others out there.

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:12:42pm

re: #194 ObserverArt

Sorry, read your comment wrong, the way you stated it seemed you didn’t hear about the ramming tongue.

No worries. I know what I’m thinking, even if I don’t say it right, why don’t you know what I’m thinking? 🤣

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:12:51pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:13:37pm

re: #169 Citizen K

Exactly. Like I said before, if he resigns, it has to be off the merit and seriousness of the accusations against him, not to preemptively cut off an attack on the party that the resignation won’t actually abate, ever.

Rachel Maddow mentioned that all the Democrats have chided Franken today.

That is already different from a circle-the-wagons GOP.

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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:13:39pm

re: #193 MsJ

I didn’t. He addressed that kissing/rehearsal issue then separately the picture.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:13:41pm

Part of me thinks that as long as Democrats keep trying to act all ethical and decent, and hold each other to a high standard, while right wingers act like snarling feral wolf-human hybrids who don’t even know what “ethics” are, we’re going to keep losing because they’ll just keep tearing us apart by appealing to the worst instincts of the Homo Sapiens lizard brain.

Just part of me. But this is a problem we really need to find a way to solve, because it’s a big reason why Democrats keep losing despite having the moral high ground on almost every issue.

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:15:06pm

re: #197 FormerDirtDart

Oh well. A billion here, a billion there, it will all wash out once they gut Social Security and Medicare.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:15:26pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:16:53pm

re: #202 FormerDirtDart

If it’s anything other than Assange was arrested I don’t give a damn.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:17:05pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

I have to disagree here. There’s absolutely nothing anyone can do to deflate a right wing claim — these claims exist in an alternate universe that simply has nothing to do with facts or reality, and I don’t think this is a good reason for Franken to resign. It won’t make any difference in how the right attacks Democrats.

This is one of the really frustrating things about behaving with a sense of ethics and morality — Republicans simply don’t care about your ethics or how you behave, and react exactly the same way in any case.

Not arguing that we SHOULDN’T hold our people to a higher standard. Just saying we shouldn’t ever expect it to have any effect on right wingers, because it’s irrelevant to them.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. The double-standard by the right is absolutely staggering.

Take for example Barack Obama. Married to the same woman his entire adult life - not even a hint of infidelity. Of course this didn’t keep the right from claiming that he was secretly a drug-using gay man who had trysts in the White House during his administration. Not to mention all of the claims about his mother and all the dubious claims on who his father “really” was.

Facts simply DO. NOT. MATTER. to them. They are all as pure as the driven snow (multiple marriages, adultery, sexual assaults notwithstanding) while absolutely no one on the other side of the political spectrum is safe from their attacks.

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Targetpractice  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:19:10pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

Part of me thinks that as long as Democrats keep trying to act all ethical and decent, and hold each other to a high standard, while right wingers act like snarling feral wolf-human hybrids who don’t even know what “ethics” are, we’re going to keep losing because they’ll just keep tearing us apart by appealing to the worst instincts of the Homo Sapiens lizard brain.

Just part of me. But this is a problem we really need to find a way to solve, because it’s a big reason why Democrats keep losing despite having the moral high ground on almost every issue.

If the last 20 years have been any sort of indication, it’s that the GOP will never be punished for their hypocrisy, while the DNC will always be punished even when living up to those high standards. The fact that Franken is not being forced to resign will be set upon by the same crowd calling for a “reckoning” about the Clintons to declare that the DNC are “hypocrites” and all the talk about the need to take sexual harassment/assault seriously was empty…when the whole mess started because the GOP wanted to use Harvey Weinstein as a way to attack Hillary.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:19:22pm

re: #189 allegro

This.

There’s gonna be a lot more of this shit. A lot of it is going to be shit that guys shouldn’t have done, in situations where they didn’t realize just how bad it was - which I figure is the situation with Franken. Tossing him off the boat at this point establishes a precedent we might later wish we hadn’t set.

I almost wish we could just let women all tell their stories, and THEN, once we get it all out in the open, we can start deciding who deserves more serious punishment than public shaming. But more importantly, when we men realize the depth and extent of the problem, maybe we can start not being the problem so much.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:19:58pm

DALLAS (AP) — The driver of a pickup displaying an expletive-filled message to President Donald Trump and his supporters in the Houston area was arrested Thursday on an outstanding warrant.

Fort Bend County Sheriff’s Office records show Karen Fonseca was arrested about 2 p.m. Thursday on an outstanding fraud warrant issued in August by the Rosenberg Police Department. She remained in the county jail Thursday night with bond set at $1,500.

A sheriff’s spokesman has not answered a message seeking details behind the warrant.

Fort Bend County Sheriff Troy Nehls had threatened Fonseca with a disorderly conduct charge over the decal. However, District Attorney John Healey said he didn’t think it would have been a prosecutable case.

Fonseca had said she would not remove the decal. She said she had been stopped by law officers, but that they have no grounds to issue a citation.

lots more at the link

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The Major  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:21:01pm

re: #193 MsJ

I got that he was apologizing for the picture.

I’m going into 24 hour mode.

Today, that really needs to go to 48 hours.

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:21:08pm

re: #193 MsJ

I got that he was apologizing for the picture.

I’m going into 24 hour mode.

He apologized for the whole thing…he just made a point of saying he didn’t remember the kiss as she explained. Then he went on to say the stunt in the image was stupid.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:22:11pm

re: #201 Skip Intro

Oh well. A billion here, a billion there, it will all wash out once they gut Social Security and Medicare.

In the mean time, they’ll redirect funds from directed fees for the “Lifeline” program (ie Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama Phones) to the general fund.
Savings

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MsJ  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:22:57pm

re: #199 JordanRules

I didn’t. He addressed that kissing/rehearsal issue then separately the picture.

Ugh. I’m going to bed. This is depressing and I have to get up at 4 am.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:23:13pm

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wow, the Sheriff gets his panties in a bunch about a Trump decal and then magically a day later a mysterious warrant surfaces for the person who owns the decal?

How convenient.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:23:27pm

Demanding that Franken resign immediately leaves a Dem Senate seat vacant for a period of time during which McConnell and company will most definitely take huge advantage.

And the shenanigans can even extend to delaying seating whoever the governor would name to replace Franken.

Count on it.

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TedStriker  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:23:45pm

re: #162 Targetpractice

Totally agree, Franken fucked up and we all agree on that. He’s apologized for that fuck-up and the apology has been accepted. While I agree we need to be taking sexual harassment and assault seriously, there is a point where overreaction becomes just as harmful. And forcing his resignation over a singular event would (IMHO) be an overreaction.

After all of the events that unfolded today, from the revelation of Franken’s alleged misconduct to his apology that was publicly accepted by his alleged victim (who even said that his resignation/removal from office wasn’t what she wanted), there are still some people, here and elsewhere, on our side that will not be satisfied unless Franken’s head is on a pike in front of the Capitol, due process be damned.

It really is a shitty position for us voters that give a damn to be in.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:23:50pm

re: #210 FormerDirtDart

In the mean time, they’ll redirect funds from directed fees for the “Lifeline” program (ie Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama Phones) to the general fund.
Savings

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These assholes.

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The Major  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:24:33pm

re: #203 Skip Intro

If it’s anything other than Assange was arrested I don’t give a damn.

Fortunately, Assange is trapped like the rat that he is - he can’t step out of the Ebassy before he would be arrested by London Police on a failure to appear warrant - and his attorneys have been furiously negotiating for ages as to how he could even possibly escape US and UK charges of trading in stolen goods….

His own hubris is his downfall….

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:24:52pm

re: #212 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow, the Sheriff gets his panties in a bunch about a Trump decal and then magically a day later a mysterious warrant surfaces for the person who owns the decal?

How convenient.

Betcha you won’t hear anything from the people who whine about Milo saying anything about a LEO member intimidating a citizen.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:25:31pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:25:37pm

re: #216 The Major

Why do the Ecuadorans let him stay there, anyway?

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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:25:50pm

I hope we can confront how systemic all this is and be open to learning.

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:26:24pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

Part of me thinks that as long as Democrats keep trying to act all ethical and decent, and hold each other to a high standard, while right wingers act like snarling feral wolf-human hybrids who don’t even know what “ethics” are, we’re going to keep losing because they’ll just keep tearing us apart by appealing to the worst instincts of the Homo Sapiens lizard brain.

Just part of me. But this is a problem we really need to find a way to solve, because it’s a big reason why Democrats keep losing.

It’s a tempting thought, to throw away any ethics and morals and simply treat the Conservative cult as poorly as they do everyone else. While I might think that sometimes, I don’t think it’s the answer, nor the main reason that Democrats are on the short end of the stick.

The main reason is near total control of the most powerful institution in the US, the news media. That’s been a process that has been ongoing for decades. With that, the far right can do as it pleases and faces no public backlash.

Yes, humans have base instincts, and appealing to them to turn the right into a cult has worked. But at heart, most humans understand right and wrong. It takes total indoctrination and an immersive world to make them deny that. The pervasiveness of American media has allowed that here, but I don’t believe the answer is to try to fight that by being equally awful to appeal to the same. Cultists believe their cult leaders, and trying to usurp the position of the cult leader with more madness to turn it towards another goal hasn’t worked in any cult I can think of. The answer is to break the hold of cult media. And I think the path to that is through the rise of new media and the internet.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:26:25pm

re: #219 Eclectic Cyborg

Why do the Ecuadorans let him stay there, anyway?

As I recall, they’re sympathetic to him.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:28:46pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

I bet the custodial crew is sick and tired of him.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:30:02pm

re: #223 jaunte

I bet the custodial crew is sick and tired of him.

I imagine so too.

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TedStriker  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:30:26pm

re: #216 The Major

Fortunately, Assange is trapped like the rat that he is - he can’t step out of the Ebassy before he would be arrested by London Police on a failure to appear warrant - and his attorneys have been furiously negotiating for ages as to how he could even possibly escape US and UK charges of trading in stolen goods….

His own hubris is his downfall….

I wouldn’t weep if he were to die of natural causes in that embassy; he created his own prison cell.

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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:31:00pm

re: #221 Renaissance_Man

The main reason is near total control of the most powerful institution in the US, the news media. That’s been a process that has been ongoing for decades. With that, the far right can do as it pleases and faces no public backlash.

THIS times a billion!!!

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:31:48pm

I do not want Franken to resign, yet.
I want it to go to a public ethics hears, and I want the Congressional sexual harassment slush/hush fund brought into the light.

Now, that said, if multiple accusers present themselves in the coming days, then Franken should resign immediately.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:32:26pm

re: #185 BeachDem

And I came back from lunch with a wonderful tale of hope and excitement to report. Sigh.

We had our Dem candidate for governor speak and he is the real deal. Smart, well-spoken, totally gets it and is on the right side of every issue and not afraid to say it. We drew 50 people for a lunchtime meeting to hear him speak. Excited, supportive Democrats.

And now this—I agree wholeheartedly with your earlier post (you know which one I mean.) All this he MUST resign today; Dems must be perfect or we give the right wing ammunition stuff is really making me crazy.

Just editing to add his name—James Smith. Duh.

Excitement and hope are good. I need those.

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:33:20pm

re: #216 The Major

How can he afford attorneys?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:33:38pm
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petesh  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:34:43pm

re: #190 goddamnedfrank

The good news is only six more weeks until legal retail weed in California.

I have no idea how I’ve managed to survive this year without it.

Sssh, don’t tell anyone, but it’s kinda easy to get a medical cert; a dead cinch to drive back from Oregon (they never check); oh, and the traditional market is still there. A friend told me all that.

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Weaselone  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:35:24pm

re: #227 FormerDirtDart

Now, that said, if multiple accusers present themselves in the coming days, then Franken should resign immediately.

Multiple credible accusers. There should at least be evidence that the individuals who accuse him have had contact with him and aren’t random nutbars off the street.

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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:35:35pm

re: #229 Skip Intro

I bet he has a Pootie fund!

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Targetpractice  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:36:11pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

As I recall, they’re sympathetic to him.

Correa was sympathetic to him, or more specifically he was sympathetic to Assange’s beef with the US gov’t. He used Assange and Wikileaks to reinforce his own little propaganda campaign at home that Ecuador was facing an attempt by the US to influence their politics. The fact that he was a corrupt bastard trying to fill his gov’t with cronies at the time had a lot to do with the whole mess.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:36:22pm
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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:36:35pm

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

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lots more at the link

Oh, is Juanita Jean on this one, since he is “her” sheriff.

HERE’S THE REAL DEAL: Sheriff Nehl’s is planning on running for Congress in the Republican primary against Republican Pete Olson. Under weird Texas rules, if Nehls resigns before the filing deadline on December 11th, his position will be on the next November ballot. He’s planning on withdrawing 3 days before the deadline so only his idiot brother will know to file for sheriff. But his idiot brother is an idiot and leaked the plan. There will be a Democrat filing. I got this, y’all.

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The Major  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:37:32pm

re: #229 Skip Intro

How can he afford attorneys?

Simple: Many media outlets support Wikileaks - like The Washington Post, for starters….

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:40:46pm

re: #227 FormerDirtDart

I do not want Franken to resign, yet.
I want it to go to a public ethics hears, and I want the Congressional sexual harassment slush/hush fund brought into the light.

Now, that said, if multiple accusers present themselves in the coming days, then Franken should resign immediately.

Multiple credible accusers. Yes.

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allegro  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:41:50pm

re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White

This.

There’s gonna be a lot more of this shit. A lot of it is going to be shit that guys shouldn’t have done, in situations where they didn’t realize just how bad it was - which I figure is the situation with Franken. Tossing him off the boat at this point establishes a precedent we might later wish we hadn’t set.

I almost wish we could just let women all tell their stories, and THEN, once we get it all out in the open, we can start deciding who deserves more serious punishment than public shaming. But more importantly, when we men realize the depth and extent of the problem, maybe we can start not being the problem so much.

Yes! I see the Franken thing as a learning opportunity for both men and women because it screams to me of miscommunication. A lot of that miscommunication is actually culturally mandated. Women are squishy about clearly setting boundaries because we aren’t really allowed to do that, are we. We’re trained from birth to be submissive and less than. Be sweet. Smile, baby. Let it go. Boys will be boys. That’s the price of playing in the Big Boys’ league. Selling your soul is empowerment (unfortunately it really is for women).

Men are likewise trained in ways you guys can tell me. I know what I observe but I won’t try to tell your story. I would be very, very interested to hear it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:41:55pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

Part of me thinks that as long as Democrats keep trying to act all ethical and decent, and hold each other to a high standard, while right wingers act like snarling feral wolf-human hybrids who don’t even know what “ethics” are, we’re going to keep losing because they’ll just keep tearing us apart by appealing to the worst instincts of the Homo Sapiens lizard brain.

Just part of me. But this is a problem we really need to find a way to solve, because it’s a big reason why Democrats keep losing despite having the moral high ground on almost every issue.

we solve by energizing women by maintaining high ethical standards in sharp contrast to the Trump Administration. That will earn the Democrats a wave victory next year. And I believe Doug Jones will win next month because we have standards

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:43:11pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:43:45pm

he is nutz:

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:45:02pm

re: #221 Renaissance_Man

It’s a tempting thought, to throw away any ethics and morals and simply treat the Conservative cult as poorly as they do everyone else.

I’m not suggesting that, at all. My point is that we need to find a way to fight back against a vicious adversary that doesn’t care about ethics or morals, because simply behaving decently is not getting the job done.

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allegro  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:46:30pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s Petey!

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:46:30pm

Jim Wright doesn’t leave this one alone, as mentioned above, somewhere.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:48:22pm

re: #241 jaunte

I like “Cuck, everlasting”.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:49:27pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

he is nutz:

[Embedded content]

Okay Coffee guy.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:49:42pm
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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:49:49pm

It really is.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:50:24pm
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jaunte  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:54:33pm

re: #249 JordanRules

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:54:47pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:54:57pm
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De Kolta Chair  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:55:07pm
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petesh  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:56:21pm

re: #239 allegro

Yes! I see the Franken thing as a learning opportunity for both men and women because it screams to me of miscommunication. A lot of that miscommunication is actually culturally mandated. Women are squishy about clearly setting boundaries because we aren’t really allowed to do that, are we. We’re trained from birth to be submissive and less than. Be sweet. Smile, baby. Let it go. Boys will be boys. That’s the price of playing in the Big Boys’ league. Selling your soul is empowerment (unfortunately it really is for women).

Men are likewise trained in ways you guys can tell me. I know what I observe but I won’t try to tell your story. I would be very, very interested to hear it.

I am quite sure you are right. Now, my upbringing was English boarding-school, and undoubtedly it screwed me up (but then everyone’s seems to) and is probably different enough that I hesitate to generalize. I do know that it left me with a certain protective façade — smile and keep your distance — but I reacted against the English upper-middle-class straitjacket and came to California, where (I was told) I could Do My Own Thing. And to some extent that’s true. I think I internalized lots of mixed messages — guys make the first move but only when you think it would be welcomed? I dunno. I learned a lot working in offices that were majority women, including bosses. And I am completely convinced that men are more emotion-driven than women, they just don’t admit it.

Animal story: Our yellow lab essentially raised the Jack Russell, who came into the household soon after her one litter had left. Eventually, she died, peacefully one morning in her sleep. He, the Russell, never acknowledged it, walked by as if nothing had happened … and turned grey almost overnight. Typical male.

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TedStriker  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:56:43pm

re: #243 Charles Johnson

I’m not suggesting that, at all. My point is that we need to find a way to fight back against a vicious adversary that doesn’t care about ethics or morals, because simply behaving decently is not getting the job done.

Exactly…and we need to do it quickly.

With the power imbalance in DC and in governorships and statehouses across the country being what it it right now, the Republicans are pretty much in the catbird seat, even though it’s patently obvious that they’re corrupt as hell and have made it clear the rules don’t apply to them, even though.

As I’ve said before, Republicans only need to be lucky some of the time to hold on to and consolidate power; Democrats have to be lucky all of the time these days, with no margin for error.

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:58:46pm

re: #251 jaunte

All Your Media Belongs to Us.

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Interesting Times  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:58:55pm

re: #243 Charles Johnson

I’m not suggesting that, at all. My point is that we need to find a way to fight back against a vicious adversary that doesn’t care about ethics or morals, because simply behaving decently is not getting the job done.

I’ve often posted about how Dems need far better “lizard brain” messaging - a way to appeal to low-info/unlikely voters who respond to whoever best appeals to their hopes, fears, and frustrations at an emotional level. Wonky policy discussions do shit for people like that, but something short and snappy and memorable gets their attention (so…#NotOnePenny is a lousy hashtag because it makes no sense without context/explanation, but #TrumpTaxScam and #GOPTaxScam are great because the point registers instantly)

Also, they could take at least some of the advice in this comment by negativ:

I have to admit that I’m pissed off by the lack of hellfire coming from the Dems. They have nothing to lose by going full-throttle attack mode. I’m not a Democrat, but the Republicans have more or less declared themselves the enemy of my country as I see it, and of myself personally.

I would like to see Democrats become vicious, underhanded, unfair, brutal, merciless, and relentless. The GOP is by any measure a confederacy of dunces. That the Dems can’t find it in themselves to destroy it is disheartening.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:59:35pm
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jaunte  Nov 16, 2017 • 6:59:37pm

re: #257 Skip Intro

I was hoping feudalism would have more castles.

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Kilroy was here  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:01:45pm
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bratwurst  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:01:57pm

This:

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:03:13pm

re: #262 bratwurst

This:

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This times ten!

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Stanley Sea  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:04:17pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Perfect coloring.

Yin Yang

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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:05:39pm

re: #262 bratwurst

Yup.

I’ve seen tons of Dems on Twitter today going hard against the tax scam - all day and night.

But it doesn’t matter because the media is a for-profit machine that does not serve it’s role as the 4th estate.

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:06:05pm

re: #262 bratwurst

This:

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Tax bill is too complicated for mass media. A good sex scandal can be covered adequately by the traffic reporter in two minutes.

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CleverToad  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:06:56pm

The House passed their monstrous tax bill today.

Why have we spent most of three threads on Franken? Let it go to the Senate Ethics and have an open hearing. Due process, full disclosure, and necessary sunlight on the allegations and settlements for all of the Congresscritters the taxpayers are paying settlements for.

Until then, can we focus on how in the hell we try to stop this trainload of disaster from slamming through the Senate? Our goddamn country is at stake. Short of arresting at least four GOP senators tomorrow, Mueller’s cavalry ain’t gonna be able to save us in time.

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Kragar  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:07:10pm
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:08:51pm
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jaunte  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:09:38pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:10:02pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

Part of me thinks that as long as Democrats keep trying to act all ethical and decent, and hold each other to a high standard, while right wingers act like snarling feral wolf-human hybrids who don’t even know what “ethics” are, we’re going to keep losing because they’ll just keep tearing us apart by appealing to the worst instincts of the Homo Sapiens lizard brain.

Just part of me. But this is a problem we really need to find a way to solve, because it’s a big reason why Democrats keep losing despite having the moral high ground on almost every issue.

One thing the Democrats and the left need to do is stop being Mr. and Ms. Nice Politician. We have to do some of the same things the Republicans do, like all the investigations.

One biggie often mentioned was Obama deciding not to go after Bush for a lot of stuff like the Iraq war run-up. And he and all the Democrats should have held Bush and the Republicans more responsible for the 2008 crash and the fact that Obama inherited a lot of debt after Bush left office that was Bush’s doing.

But we need to do it all on the up and up and with facts that can be supported.

We also need to push the media to give us better coverage.

We need to work on talking points, but not robotic like the GOP, be creative.

Just a start of thinking about it all.

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:10:28pm

re: #270 jaunte

This is the president of the United States, that’s what.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:10:32pm

Trump clever nickname: Al Frankenstien (sic)

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:12:12pm

These are the worst people imaginable.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:13:12pm

The president* can’t fucking spell his own joke.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:13:48pm
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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:14:06pm

re: #267 CleverToad

Our only hope appears to be public pressure on Senators who may be inclined to vote no, just like we did for the healthcare(hidden tax scam) debacle a few times.

I’ve called my Senators and will do so again next week, just like the last few battles. Tomorrow I’m starting my email push to friends asking them to call too. Just like the last few times.

I hope we get the same results, but we need all hands on deck!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:14:34pm

re: #269 FormerDirtDart

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Called it. He’d chime in on Franken but won’t say anything about Moore.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:14:51pm

re: #274 jaunte

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These are the worst people imaginable.

Gorsuch is worse than Scalia.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:15:23pm
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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:15:53pm

re: #276 Charles Johnson

This really just made me angry. How dare he!?!?!?!?

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TedStriker  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:16:17pm

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Gorsuch is worse than Scalia.

And we’ll have to deal with him on SCOTUS for most likely the next 30-40+ years.

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:17:30pm

re: #282 TedStriker

And we’ll have to deal with him on SCOTUS for most likely the next 40+ years.

And every judge trump nominates will be just this bad, or worse.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:17:53pm
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plansbandc  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:18:23pm

The pussy grabber weighs in about alleged sexual harassment. Also a Supreme jokes about getting fired or dying.

Jesus H, these people disgust me.

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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:18:59pm

re: #283 Skip Intro

Oh yeah. A bunch of horrid ones have already been seated. He could resign tomorrow and yet there’s already been a ton of damage done.

Gotta stop the bleeding though!

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:19:47pm

re: #286 JordanRules

Oh yeah. A bunch of horrid ones have already been seated. He could resign tomorrow and yet there’s already been a ton of damage done.

Gotta stop the bleeding though!

Triage.

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:19:54pm

re: #285 plansbandc

The pussy grabber weighs in about alleged sexual harassment. Also a Supreme jokes about getting fired or dying.

Jesus H, these people disgust me.

I wonder how much longer it’s going to be safe to say things like that in public? A year, maybe?

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plansbandc  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:20:52pm

re: #288 Skip Intro

I suspect the black van will be coming for me any day now.

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:21:08pm

re: #239 allegro

Yes! I see the Franken thing as a learning opportunity for both men and women because it screams to me of miscommunication. A lot of that miscommunication is actually culturally mandated. Women are squishy about clearly setting boundaries because we aren’t really allowed to do that, are we. We’re trained from birth to be submissive and less than. Be sweet. Smile, baby. Let it go. Boys will be boys. That’s the price of playing in the Big Boys’ league. Selling your soul is empowerment (unfortunately it really is for women).

Men are likewise trained in ways you guys can tell me. I know what I observe but I won’t try to tell your story. I would be very, very interested to hear it.

For me, I was a geeky kid with no real game with girls, but I tried to be nice and as respectful as possible. Naturally, this got me nowhere. In my mid teens I started becoming good at sport and a lot more arrogant in the way of a lot of teenage males, and as it often does, this translated into a lot more success with girls. I wasn’t the type to ever force my attentions on anyone - I don’t recall ever having a feeling of anger at rejection when it happened. But if we’d had cameras in every pocket at that time, I’m sure there’d be a photo or two of me in a similarly distasteful situation to Al Franken’s photo.

I think a lot of young men see the success that bad boys have with the opposite sex, and we learn bad lessons from that. We don’t see the nuance behind that sort of attraction, and I suspect a lot of girls don’t either, and the cycle perpetuates itself. For both genders, success with the opposite sex is at the core of a lot of status as we develop, and while for women it is about landing the best boyfriend or most popular guy, for us it’s pretty much about sex, because for most men, getting some is not guaranteed.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:22:08pm

re: #288 Skip Intro

re: #289 plansbandc

We’ll be left in place to complain freely as long as we pay taxes.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:23:11pm
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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:23:58pm

re: #289 plansbandc

Hop in, that’s just the voter registration volunteer van! Get votes or die trying before we are silenced!

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:24:07pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

Animal Life @MeetAnimals
Meet Maddie. Found underneath my wife’s car in a parking lot this morning.
9:10 PM - Nov 16, 2017

What a cutie. I hope this means the pupper has a new home. I wanna rub that tummie. But, I would ask first!

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:25:03pm

re: #291 jaunte

We’ll be left in place to complain freely as long as we pay taxes.

I don’t think so. These are monsters.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:26:17pm

re: #295 Skip Intro

I don’t think so. These are monsters.

See truck lady

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Doug Factors  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:26:24pm

People who don’t care if they’re hypocrites are manipulating those of us who do.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:26:34pm
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jaunte  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:26:40pm
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plansbandc  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:28:47pm

re: #295 Skip Intro

Well, I’m going to use my freedom of speech until they take it away from me, so… Hoping we have at least another year, but I’m sure the orange bag of shit has already set the wheels in motion. Just wondering who he will use to do his secret police work.

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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:29:39pm

I think he may have opened a door he should not have. Remember, his stuff came out pre-Weinstein.

He’s impulsive and can’t help himself.

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:29:43pm

re: #298 Charles Johnson

Why would they? What do they care? He’s spread his cancer through the entire Federal Government in 10 months and is about to give them a huge tax windfall. They won the biggest lottery of them all.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:30:06pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:31:36pm

re: #257 Skip Intro

All Your Media Belongs to Us.

And the Koch’s are winning the Monopoly game.

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:32:25pm

re: #300 plansbandc

It doesn’t have to be secret police. Trump’s puppet at the FCC is perfectly capable of restricting internet access to “subversive” sites.

Stop underestimating what these people are capable of.

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:32:35pm

re: #258 Interesting Times

I’ve often posted about how Dems need far better “lizard brain” messaging - a way to appeal to low-info/unlikely voters who respond to whoever best appeals to their hopes, fears, and frustrations at an emotional level. Wonky policy discussions do shit for people like that, but something short and snappy and memorable gets their attention (so…#NotOnePenny is a lousy hashtag because it makes no sense without context/explanation, but #TrumpTaxScam and #GOPTaxScam are great because the point registers instantly)

Also, they could take at least some of the advice in this comment by negativ:

Hey…I may have missed it, but how did your morning meeting with the boss go? Well, I hope.

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:32:44pm

Triage 1: stop the tax bill
Triage 2: slow down the relentless forcing of unqualified and malicious judges onto our courts

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:33:11pm

re: #304 ObserverArt

And the Koch’s are winning the Monopoly game.

Having more money than God does that.

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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:34:00pm

re: #307 retired cynic

10-4!!

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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:36:17pm

re: #307 retired cynic

Triage 1: stop the tax bill
Triage 2: slow down the relentless forcing of unqualified and malicious judges onto our courts

1) is possible, but 2)? How?

The GOP can do whatever it wants there. Maybe if the Senate flips in 2018, but that still gives Trump more than a year to pack the courts with Heritage hacks.

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jaunte  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:37:43pm
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Interesting Times  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:39:14pm

re: #306 ObserverArt

Hey…I may have missed it, but how did your morning meeting with the boss go? Well, I hope.

Er…what meeting? I thought I had booked this as a vacation day! 😱

(srsly tho, you’ve mistaken me for someone else - maybe Unshaken Defiance…?)

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:40:57pm

re: #267 CleverToad

The House passed their monstrous tax bill today.

Why have we spent most of three threads on Franken? Let it go to the Senate Ethics and have an open hearing. Due process, full disclosure, and necessary sunlight on the allegations and settlements for all of the Congresscritters the taxpayers are paying settlements for.

Until then, can we focus on how in the hell we try to stop this trainload of disaster from slamming through the Senate? Our goddamn country is at stake. Short of arresting at least four GOP senators tomorrow, Mueller’s cavalry ain’t gonna be able to save us in time.

It all fits together. And if we don’t talk about this we will be facing more of that.

Besides, I know I have bombarded Senator Portman about the tax “reform” bullshit. I am working as hard as I worked as a citizen regarding the health care mess.

And maybe I don’t understand the process…but doesn’t the Senate need to pass it too? There seems to be a bit of a mess there as some Senate GOPers are under the same pressure as they faced screwing with health care.

I hope the news gets out to the people how they are all going to affected by what the House passed today which I hope and think will put even more pressure on the Senate.

We all need to make it so.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:42:16pm

‘Murica

“… he pulled it out saying the gun was not loaded and pulled the trigger. …”

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retired cynic  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:43:36pm

re: #310 Skip Intro

1) is possible, but 2)? How?

The GOP can do whatever it wants there. Maybe if the Senate flips in 2018, but that still gives Trump more than a year to pack the courts with Heritage hacks.

Delay and hammer on GOP senators. And delay. And then delay. And start really putting serious electoral pressure on vulnerable senators. And delay. Advertise against them: they are supporting these people who are totally unqualified. Why would they do that? Not because it is good for the constituent, but it must be good for somebody. So who?

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JordanRules  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:45:07pm

re: #310 Skip Intro

What happens when all your worst predictions are realized? When one can confidently say, we’re now pretty much a uniquely American hybrid of kleptocracy/theocracy/autocracy etc. Do you fight or just point out all the horribleness that lead us to it?

If you do fight, then hell, start now! Might as well get practice since we’re going to be doing it anyway.

There really is a point for me where 100% pessimism looks and feels odd because as humans it’s hard for us to do anything that consistently.

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The Major  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:46:05pm

re: #313 ObserverArt

And maybe I don’t understand the process…but doesn’t the Senate need to pass it too?

Some Senate Bill along some similar lines should have already been introduced, if not the current House bill will be sent to the Senate for markup - but who the hell knows at this point….

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Kragar  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:49:15pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:49:42pm

re: #317 The Major

The Senate has a bill. No one knows what’s in it but they’ll try to pass it tomorrow, I believe. If they do then they work with the house to make it worse then sent it to the orangutan to sign.

Something like that, anyway.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 16, 2017 • 7:59:07pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

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mmmirele  Nov 16, 2017 • 8:02:54pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

he is nutz:

[Embedded content]

Ugh, I have to remember not to go to the gym during Lumpy Hour. I saw the execrable Gorka and nearly screamed in frustration.

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ObserverArt  Nov 16, 2017 • 8:12:11pm

re: #312 Interesting Times

Er…what meeting? I thought I had booked this as a vacation day! 😱

(srsly tho, you’ve mistaken me for someone else - maybe Unshaken Defiance…?)

Oops. Yes, my mistake.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 16, 2017 • 8:12:36pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 16, 2017 • 8:14:22pm

re: #322 ObserverArt

Heh yes that would be me. All is well. Whew.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 16, 2017 • 8:16:22pm

re: #273 jaunte

Trump clever nickname: Al Frankenstien (sic)

It’s pronounced Frahnk-en-steen.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 16, 2017 • 8:39:15pm

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

he is nutz:

[Embedded content]

So are most of the people replying to him. Fox broke a lot of minds.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 16, 2017 • 8:47:56pm

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