Washington Post Columnist: Al Franken Shouldn’t Resign, and Here’s Why

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Kate Harding has a column in the Washington Post today that’s being roundly attacked by the right wing media, because it makes some points that need to be made about Al Franken’s terrible behavior, and what it would mean for the United States if he resigns: I’m a feminist. I study rape culture. And I don’t want Al Franken to resign.

I am a Democrat because I am a feminist who lives under a two-party system, where one party consistently votes against the interests of women while the other sometimes does not. I am not a true believer in the party itself nor in any politician. I am a realist who recognizes that we get two viable choices, and Democrats are members of the only party positioned to pump the brakes on Republicans’ gleeful race toward Atwoodian dystopia. Meanwhile, I recognize that men’s harassment of and violence against women is a systemic issue, not a Democrat or Republican problem, a Hollywood problem, a sports problem, or a media problem. Its roots lie in a patriarchal culture that trains men to believe they are entitled to control women’s bodies —for sex, for sport, for childbearing, for comedy.

When you combine these things — an awareness that the Democratic Party is no more or less than best of two, and an understanding that men in power frequently exploit women — it becomes difficult to believe that Franken is the only sitting Democrat with a history of harassment, abuse or assault. The recent #metoo campaign demonstrated how normalized unwanted kissing and groping are in our culture. Donald Trump was caught on tape crudely admitting to both of those transgressions, and we made him our president. According to the CDC’s National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey, 1 in 3 women experiences some sort of contact sexual violence in her life. Sexual harassment and assault are simply too widespread for Democrats to respond to Franken’s offense with only Franken in mind: We need to respond in a way that helps us develop a protocol for meaningful change.

Read the whole thing; I should say I agree with Harding, and note that she’s not saying he should suffer no consequences.

I’m as unhappy about the allegations against Al Franken as anyone, but forcing him to resign would be incredibly damaging to resistance against the Trump administration’s horribly misogynist agenda, and ultimately self-defeating.

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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 11:46:52am
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S'latch  Nov 17, 2017 • 11:49:52am

But one of the consequences may be that Al Franken is no longer an effective advocate for his party’s cause. So far, I approve of the way he is handling the matter, but he’s damaged now. I remember wondering if I might find myself with an opportunity to vote for him for POTUS at some time in the future. I doubt that’s possible now, and I regret that, because I could have gotten behind him. We will have to see how this matter continues to develop and how he handles it in the future, but I suspect his star will fade.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 11:50:03am

re: #1 Nyet

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 17, 2017 • 11:50:28am

If Franken should resign by any measure, surely the same must be demanded of Donald Trump and quite a few others first?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 11:54:55am

re: #4 Unshaken Defiance

If Franken should resign by any measure, surely the same must be demanded of Donald Trump and quite a few others first?

Yes, Trump should be called to lead on this by resigning.

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Kilroy was here  Nov 17, 2017 • 11:57:04am

re: #4 Unshaken Defiance

If Franken should resign by any measure, surely the same must be demanded of Donald Trump and quite a few others first?

Case in point.. Who are these people and why don’t we know their names?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 17, 2017 • 11:57:44am

re: #6 Kilroy was here

Wow. What the hell happened in 2007?

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Mike Lamb  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:01:08pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow. What the hell happened in 2007?

Mark Foley?

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:03:16pm

“…The OOC’s $15 million figure covered more than 200 payouts made from fiscal years 1997 to 2016 for all claims the office covered, such as racial and religious discrimination cases, discrimination against people with disabilities and sexual harassment, a Speier staffer said.”
rollcall.com

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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:03:51pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow. What the hell happened in 2007?

Larry Craig, David Vitter.

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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:04:50pm

re: #8 Mike Lamb

Mark Foley?

Foley’s scandal broke in 2006, but the payouts may not have happened until ‘07. Wild guess here.

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:05:09pm

“…On Thursday, the Office of Compliance released additional information indicating that it has paid victims more than $17 million since its creation in the 1990s. That includes all settlements, not just related to sexual harassment, but also discrimination and other cases.
….
According to the OOC data released Thursday, there have been 268 settlements.cnn.com

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Kilroy was here  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:06:33pm

re: #12 jaunte

The is $63,432 average per claim.. wow..

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Amory Blaine  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:08:19pm

Yeah, the 4 pure democrats left in power can lobby for the little guy. Bwaa hahaha.

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Belafon  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:09:59pm

re: #2 S’latch

But one of the consequences may be that Al Franken is no longer an effective advocate for his party’s cause. So far, I approve of the way he is handling the matter, but he’s damaged now. I remember wondering if I might find myself with an opportunity to vote for him for POTUS at some time in the future. I doubt that’s possible now, and I regret that, because I could have gotten behind him. We will have to see how this matter continues to develop and how he handles it in the future, but I suspect his star will fade.

1. Ted Kennedy.
2. Franken could also be a good example of how to properly respond to past actions.
3. Casting stones.
4. Our representatives are not gods or demigods.

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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:12:04pm
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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:14:24pm

2007 was Hastert’s last year in the House, too. Might have been him.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:15:34pm
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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:15:44pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:17:39pm

re: #6 Kilroy was here

Case in point.. Who are these people and why don’t we know their names?

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If taxpayer money is being paid to settle discrimination and harassment claims, we should be told the details.

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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:19:42pm

re: #20 Big Beautiful Door

If taxpayer money is being paid to settle discrimination and harassment claims, we should be told the details.

Yep. I want names.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:20:28pm

re: #19 Nyet

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Poor bastard…the only guys that he can find on Twitter that speak for him also happen to be neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers. Of all the dumb luck.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:21:09pm

re: #21 makeitstop

Yep. I want names.

Only people that should have anonymity are the victims.

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stpaulbear  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:21:49pm

re: #2 S’latch

Sessions isn’t going to be any less a perjurer because of Al’s stupid move a long time ago. Net neutrality is not going to be any less in danger. Franken is still going to advocate strongly as a policy wonk for all of the stuff that Minnesotans elected him for.

He’ll probably need to stay away from rallies and fundraisers for other candidates and causes, but he won’t be any less of a smart policy wonk. He probably pays more attention to what is in bills than any other senator. He’s currently as good or better on women’s issues as any male elected official.

Yesterday I felt like throwing up over this whole shit show and how quick we are to immediately throw people from our own side under the bus without examination. Who knows what’s eventually going to happen with him but, dammit, as a senator, I couldn’t ask for more from him. We know that conservatives are going to scream holy murder about him for the rest of his life but that doesn’t mean we have to just shut up and agree with them without some examination.

I don’t feel like meekly agreeing with conservatives that such a great senator has to go. Trump couldn’t resist attacking Franken because he’s been such a pain to him.

I’m at work so I’ll have to check back and see how wrong everyone thinks I am in a couple of hours.

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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:23:05pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:23:12pm

re: #22 Mike Lamb

Poor bastard…the only guys that he can find on Twitter that speak for him also happen to be neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers. Of all the dumb luck.

He said some stupid shit that got him disapproval here, so he sought approval where he could. This happens again and again, and includes Trump being rejected by NYC society and getting his approval from the poorly educated bigots instead. People want to be accepted, and often take the easiest path to acceptance, rather than bother with self-improvement.

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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:27:25pm

re: #24 stpaulbear

Sessions isn’t going to be any less a perjurer because of Al’s stupid move a long time ago. Net neutrality is not going to be any less in danger. Franken is still going to advocate strongly as a policy wonk for all of the stuff that Minnesotans elected him for.

He’ll probably need to stay away from rallies and fundraisers for other candidates and causes, but he won’t be any less of a smart policy wonk. He probably pays more attention to what is in bills than any other senator. He’s currently as good or better on women’s issues as any male elected official.

Yesterday I felt like throwing up over this whole shit show and how quick we are to immediately throw people from our own side under the bus without examination. Who knows what’s eventually going to happen with him but, dammit, as a senator, I couldn’t ask for more from him. We know that conservatives are going to scream holy murder about him for the rest of his life but that doesn’t mean we have to just shut up and agree with them without some examination.

I don’t feel like meekly agreeing with conservatives that such a great senator has to go. Trump couldn’t resist attacking Franken because he’s been such a pain to him.

I’m at work so I’ll have to check back and see how wrong everyone thinks I am in a couple of hours.

For the record, I fully agree with you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:28:16pm
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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:28:28pm
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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:29:14pm

re: #26 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He said some stupid shit that got him disapproval here, so he sought approval where he could. This happens again and again, and includes Trump being rejected by NYC society and getting his approval from the poorly educated bigots instead. People want to be accepted, and often take the easiest path to acceptance, rather than bother with self-improvement.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:29:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:29:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:30:31pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:32:06pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:32:43pm

jeebus

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:33:02pm

re: #30 makeitstop

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ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:34:06pm
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Mike Lamb  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:34:20pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:34:20pm

gaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:35:34pm

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

But why do they need End Times buckets when they’re all going to be Raptured?

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Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:37:40pm

re: #30 makeitstop

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:38:01pm

re: #40 Dr Lizardo

But why do they need End Times buckets when they’re all going to be Raptured?

Heaven runs on a “bring your own food” policy?

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Kilroy was here  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:39:46pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh

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Oh that makes my brain hurt…
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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:41:34pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh

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That makes zero sense.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:41:39pm

jeebus

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:41:59pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:41:59pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reaganomics (tax cuts=prosperity) is literally the biggest scam in history, in terms of economic impact. It has been reducing the United States to a third world country for almost 40 years, and the pace has quickened dramatically under the Trump gang. I lived in Japan and Europe in the 1950s. I will never forget how poor the locals were compared to Americans, even though those were relatively prosperous countries by world standards. Now, though, they have not just caught up, they have surpassed us in many important respects (vacation time, health care etc.).

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I cannot.  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:42:08pm

re: #41 Bubblehead II

The only other major flounce I remember was Kilgore with the torture porn.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:42:09pm

re: #43 Kilroy was here

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Oh that makes my brain hurt…

Well he never admitted to murder, time to close shop!

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:42:30pm

re: #42 Eventual Carrion

Heaven runs on a “bring your own food” policy?

So, basically, God’s a cheapskate?

I’ll bet there’s an endless all-you-can-eat Chinese buffet in Hell.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:42:38pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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So troubling he hasn’t said a word.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:43:14pm

re: #48 I cannot.

The only other major flounce I remember was Kilgore with the torture porn.

Didn’t Dantes finally flounce?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:44:03pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

gaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:44:04pm
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:45:15pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

It should be pretty obvious by now that Kayla Moore would bury the bodies of her husband’s victims behind the outhouse if it will get her the hell out of Alabama

Who’s to say she hasn’t?

Just sayin’.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:46:44pm
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Mike Lamb  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:46:50pm

re: #53 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Who we talking about here? Trump? Or Trump’s propaganda minister when she says that Trump didn’t admit to wrong doing?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:47:34pm

re: #57 Mike Lamb

Who we talking about here? Trump? Or Trump’s propaganda minister when she says that Trump didn’t admit to wrong doing?

Can’t it be both?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:47:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:48:30pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She is such a fucking hack.

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Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:49:15pm

re: #48 I cannot.

The only other major flounce I remember was Kilgore with the torture porn.

Oh this guy didn’t flounce. He was banned. His blog was nothing but a collection of creepy pics of little boys in various states of undress.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:50:52pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:51:09pm

re: #61 Bubblehead II

Oh this guy didn’t flounce. He was banned. His blog was nothing but a collection of creepy pics of little boys in various states of undress.

That sounds familiar.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:51:34pm

re: #50 Dr Lizardo

So, basically, God’s a cheapskate?

I’ll bet there’s an endless all-you-can-eat Chinese buffet in Hell.

You would think he could at least get the kid to multiply the loaves and fish I brought along.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:52:14pm

re: #62 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Franklin, name these Washington people who diddle underage girls and I’ll happily support their removal. You sir though are an asshole.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:52:22pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:52:33pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Not to me. Maybe I blocked it out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:53:58pm

Karoli ain’t holding back…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:54:33pm

re: #67 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Not to me. Maybe I blocked it out.

Maybe I’m remembering something from another blog.

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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:54:42pm

And the Holocaust-denier-retweeting, Nazi-sympathizing snowflake has created a safe space for itself by blocking me. Mission accomplished!

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:55:05pm

re: #61 Bubblehead II

Oh this guy didn’t flounce. He was banned. His blog was nothing but a collection of creepy pics of little boys in various states of undress.

Oh shit, I remember that. He’d posted a link to something, and that link led to a collection of quasi-pornographic photos. IIRC, he meant to link to something else but that turned up instead. I was like “Dafuq?!” and then before you know it, he got the banhammer.

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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:55:08pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

That sounds familiar.

Can’t remember who it was.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:55:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:55:42pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

Karoli ain’tholding back…

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She (Karoli) ain’t wrong. I feel bad for any daughters and granddaughters she might have. At least she’s honest though about bring an enabler.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:55:58pm

re: #72 makeitstop

Can’t remember who it was.

So it’s not just me.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:56:35pm

re: #71 Dr Lizardo

Oh shit, I remember that. He’d posted a link to something, and that link led to a collection of quasi-pornographic photos. IIRC, he meant to link to something else but that turned up instead. I was like “Dafuq?!” and then before you know it, he got the banhammer.

God who was that. I remember this too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:56:48pm
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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:56:57pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

So it’s not just me.

No, it was here. I remember hitting the link and couldn’t back out fast enough.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:57:28pm

re: #78 makeitstop

No, it was here. I remember hitting the link and couldn’t back out fast enough.

I remember it as well.

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:57:40pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

I had a dog that would attack sharks on TV.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:57:42pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

God who was that. I remember this too.

I can’t remember his handle now….he was certainly quite a regular poster up ‘til then.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:57:51pm

re: #78 makeitstop

No, it was here. I remember hitting the link and couldn’t back out fast enough.

Yeah thought so.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:58:08pm

re: #81 Dr Lizardo

I can’t remember his handle now….he was certainly quite a regular poster up ‘til then.

Yeah. He was.

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Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2017 • 12:59:56pm

re: #71 Dr Lizardo

Oh shit, I remember that. He’d posted a link to something, and that link led to a collection of quasi-pornographic photos. IIRC, he meant to link to something else but that turned up instead. I was like “Dafuq?!” and then before you know it, he got the banhammer.

Yeah, Charles quashed that creepy assed account real fast. Can’t remenber (and don’t want to) his nic.

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whitebeach  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:00:44pm

re: #81 Dr Lizardo

I can’t remember his handle now….he was certainly quite a regular poster up ‘til then.

When was this, if you remember? I only registered in 2010 but must have lurked for a year or more before. I remember Kilgore, but not this character.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:01:17pm

As I said at the time, the guy with the boy-porn pics was probably the strangest and most disturbing thing that had ever happened here. He was outed as a pedophile, online, right here, in real time. The ban hammer came down with a resounding crash. Like others, though, I cannot remember his tag or exactly when it happened.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:01:43pm

re: #84 Bubblehead II

Yeah, Charles quashed that creepy assed account real fast. Can’t remenber (and don’t want to) his nic.

Charles would have deleted the post, so only people active on the thread when it was posted would have known about it.

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dangerman  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:01:52pm

As to the op and article.

I agree with most of it. And a lot of the comments at the article.
Said way better than I did yesterday.
There are a lot of moving parts here

There is proportionality and context.
Circumstances matter.
Frankens issue(s) are not Moore’s or trumps
While. They each did something they did not all cross the same line, the latter two repeatedly. And trump admittedly…even though the accusers are all liars /s
If you do equate them, zero tolerance becomes a dangerous solution

Does this only matter when we find out, generally via the media?
Does everyone else then get a pass cause they weren’t accused or no one looked into them thoroughhly enough?

As I said yesterday we can disagree and still coexist

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:02:06pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

Maybe I’m remembering something from another blog.

No, it was here, but I don’t remember the poster. It was creepy though.

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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:02:29pm

re: #85 whitebeach

When was this, if you remember? I only registered in 2010 but must have lurked for a year or more before. I remember Kilgore, but not this character.

Last year, maybe two years ago. It was late at night, I remember that much.

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Sea Mexican!  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:02:46pm

re: #86 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

As I said at the time, the guy with the boy-porn pics was probably the strangest and most disturbing thing that had ever happened here. He was outed as a pedophile, online, right here, in real time. The ban hammer came down with a resounding crash. Like others, though, I cannot remember his tag or exactly when it happened.

More than two years ago. Trump wasn’t in the news reel yet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:03:06pm

re: #85 whitebeach

When was this, if you remember? I only registered in 2010 but must have lurked for a year or more before. I remember Kilgore, but not this character.

it happened really fast.
I don’t think anyone here had a clue until he posted that link one night.
Boom! post deleted and poster banned within minutes.

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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:03:11pm

re: #87 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Charles would have deleted the post, so only people active on the thread when it was posted would have known about it.

Good point.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:03:15pm

re: #81 Dr Lizardo

I can’t remember his handle now….he was certainly quite a regular poster up ‘til then.

MikeySDCA, the only person I’ve ever snitched on to the FBI. The link to the website was in his account bio, clicking on his name led us there.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:03:19pm

re: #85 whitebeach

When was this, if you remember? I only registered in 2010 but must have lurked for a year or more before. I remember Kilgore, but not this character.

It was in 2012 or maybe 2013; I’ve been registered since August 2012 and it wasn’t that long after I signed up, I remember that.

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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:03:50pm

re: #91 Sea Mexican!

More than two years ago. Trump wasn’t in the news reel yet.

Geez. I really have been here for a while! :)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:04:25pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

MikeySDCA, the only person I’ve ever snitched on to the FBI. The link to the website was in his account bio, clicking on his name led us there.

That’s right.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:05:08pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

MikeySDCA, the only person I’ve ever snitched on to the FBI. The link to the website was in his account bio, clicking on his name led us there.

That’s it. Yeah, you clicked on his name and it led to those creepy pics.

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Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:05:16pm

re: #90 makeitstop

Last year, maybe two years ago. It was late at night, I remember that much.

Been about 5 or so years ago. Charles might remember the guys nic. All I remember is clicking the link, exiting and reporting (along with the rest of the Lizards) and next thing you know he was nuked.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:05:20pm

From what I recall, he posted a lot of pages but I don’t remember actually interacting.

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whitebeach  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:05:50pm

re: #90 makeitstop

re: #91 Sea Mexican!

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #95 Dr Lizardo

Thanks. I guess I must just have missed it, since I was certainly around a lot at that time.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:05:50pm

re: #99 Bubblehead II

Been about 5 or so years ago. Charles might remember the guys nic. All I remember is clicking the link, exiting and reporting (along with the rest of the Lizards) and next thing you know he was nuked.

Frank got it.

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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:06:03pm

re: #99 Bubblehead II

Been about 5 or so years ago. Charles might remember the guys nic. All I remember is clicking the link, exiting and reporting (along with the rest of the Lizards) and next thing you know he was nuked.

Pretty sure GDFrank got it.

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Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:06:26pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

MikeySDCA, the only person I’ve ever snitched on to the FBI. The link to the website was in his account bio, clicking on his name led us there.

That sounds familiar.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:08:30pm

re: #103 makeitstop

Pretty sure GDFrank got it.

He used to post a lot of material from Cracked magazine. That’s what I remember - almost daily.

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Sea Mexican!  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:08:31pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

From what I recall, he posted a lot of pages but I don’t remember actually interacting.

He was more silent/lurker.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:08:51pm

There are a lot of shades to sexual impropriety, sexual assault, sexual harassment and non-consensual sex. They are all unacceptable, but some vary by degrees and depend on circumstances.

But such matters have grown all but impossible to discuss in today’s nuance-free, talking-point and sound-byte driven climate of discourse. I have all but given up on it on any public forum.

Must be my Midwestern working class upbringing, but I could not bring myself to force myself sexually on any woman who was not interested or able to give consent for whatever reason.

Nor would I think of making crude, rude or demeaning jokes or comments in front of anyone, male or female, who does not know me well enough to appreciate my sense of irony and humor, and certainly not in front of strangers.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:11:59pm

re: #105 Dr Lizardo

He used to post a lot of material from Cracked magazine. That’s what I remember - almost daily.

That’s right.

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Sea Mexican!  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:12:16pm

re: #101 whitebeach

Thanks. I guess I must just have missed it, since I was certainly around a lot at that time.

The whole event went blazing fast. Afterwards, no one mentioned it again.

To be honest, I had forgotten the whole event.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:12:28pm

re: #106 Sea Mexican!

He was more silent/lurker.

Yeah. I think I saw him actually post a comment a few times.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:13:36pm
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Sea Mexican!  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:13:58pm

re: #96 makeitstop

Geez. I really have been here for a while! :)

You and me both. I can’t believe it’s been nearly 8 years now.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:14:07pm

I don’t think I was on the day KT flounced with his Anthony Cumia bs. I had actually gotten along with KT better than most but I wasn’t sad to see him go since he had grown real obnoxious.

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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:14:21pm

re: #109 Sea Mexican!

The whole event went blazing fast. Afterwards, no one mentioned it again.

To be honest, I had forgotten the whole event.

Leave it to me to bring it back up. Slow Friday.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:15:06pm

re: #112 Sea Mexican!

You and me both. I can’t believe it’s been nearly 8 years now.

Me too. I joined the fall after I got back from Galway. I had really wanted to take a break from politics but the damn Tea Party.

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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:15:24pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

Wouldn’t surprise me if he voted for Trump.

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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:16:03pm

re: #112 Sea Mexican!

You and me both. I can’t believe it’s been nearly 8 years now.

My 7 year anniversary is coming up in December.

Time really does fly, don’t it?

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:16:28pm

By the time he got the ban hammer MikeySDCA was one of the weird holdover conservatives who would just occasionally snipe about shit and post passive aggressive pages lauding Victor Davis Hanson. It was alarming because that website link had probably been hiding in plain sight for awhile until somebody (I don’t remember who) clicked on it and raised the alarm.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:16:34pm

re: #116 Nyet

Wouldn’t surprise me if he voted from Trump.

Me neither. Hell I honestly think he voted Romney the way he bellyached at how the Obama campaign went at Romney.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:17:32pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

By the time he got the ban hammer MikeySDCA was one of the weird holdover conservatives who would just occasionally snipe about shit and drop passive aggressive posts lauding Victor Davis Hanson. It was alarming because that website link had probably been hiding in plain sight for awhile until somebody (I don’t remember who) clicked on it and raised the alarm.

I thought VDH was DF’s fave. But since you remembered Mikey correctly, I’ll defer.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:18:37pm

re: #117 makeitstop

My 7 year anniversary is coming up in December.

Time really does fly, don’t it?

I just checked, been here since April 2007…

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:19:42pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

I don’t think I was on the day KT flounced with his Anthony Cumia bs. I had actually gotten along with KT better than most but I wasn’t sad to see him go since he had grown real obnoxious.

I got along with him pretty good….he was from Portland, OR (IIRC) so when he’d mention something local, I knew what he was referring to. But yeah, he started getting obnoxious towards the end there.

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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:19:56pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

I thought VDH was DF’s fave. But since you remembered Mikey correctly, I’ll defer.

Quite concur.

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Sea Mexican!  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:20:18pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Me too. I joined the fall after I got back from Galway. I had really wanted to take a break from politics but the damn Tea Party.

I joined around the time Sonia Sotomayor was nominated for the SCOTUS.

What can I say. 🇵🇷

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:21:19pm

re: #123 Nyet

Quite concur.

Snicker. Why I outta!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:22:45pm

re: #121 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I just checked, been here since April 2007…

Oct 2009 for me, but I read LGF for quite a while before I caught a registration-window.
That’s when LGF was transitioning to sanity, and was locked down.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:22:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:23:45pm

re: #124 Sea Mexican!

I joined around the time Sonia Sotomayor was nominated for the SCOTUS.

What can I say. 🇵🇷

I joined October 2009. So right before McDonnell and Christie got elected. Still a lot of conservative holdovers like Walter, Brooky, and Mandy when I joined. I don’t count Albusteve. That guy was odd. Seemed to resent us talking politics for whatever reason. Not a bad guy but honestly sort of a patronizing ass.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:23:49pm

re: #122 Dr Lizardo

I got along with him pretty good….he was from Portland, OR (IIRC) so when he’d mention something local, I knew what he was referring to. But yeah, he started getting obnoxious towards the end there.

He was a valued poster, but whenever you track a group of people over years, some of them will go nuts.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:24:17pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

Maybe someones feline overlord plopped down on the mouse and and clicked the link open. Saving who knows how many victims.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:24:58pm

re: #122 Dr Lizardo

I got along with him pretty good….he was from Portland, OR (IIRC) so when he’d mention something local, I knew what he was referring to. But yeah, he started getting obnoxious towards the end there.

It was frustrating because I had actually attended an Occupy rally to see what it was all about and he was trashing everyone who had participated.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:25:52pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

It was frustrating because I had actually attended an Occupy rally to see what it was all about and he was trashing everyone who had participated.

Yeah….now I remember, it was the whole Occupy movement that really set him off. He just lost it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:26:01pm

re: #130 Amory Blaine

Maybe someones feline overlord plopped down on the mouse and and clicked the link open. Saving who knows how many victims.

If we saved only one child, it was well done.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:26:07pm
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Amory Blaine  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:26:23pm

Rapey stabby…

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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:27:02pm

OWS!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:27:05pm

re: #132 Dr Lizardo

Yeah….now I remember, it was the whole Occupy movement that really set him off. He just lost it.

And then bellyaching about boycotting of Rush’s sponsors after calling Fluke a slut and bring a free speech concern troll.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:27:31pm

re: #135 Amory Blaine

Rapey stabby…

Outage!//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:27:42pm
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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:27:59pm

He pooped on a car!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:28:41pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You grew up in a time when we had a government willing to help poor kids like you but because you made it, you think today’s poor kids can fuck off.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:29:02pm
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Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:29:13pm

re: #114 makeitstop

Leave it to me to bring it back up. Slow Friday.

I had forgotten about that incident until you mentioned creepy kid photos. Then it came back.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:29:59pm

A credible polling firm has released a recent cell-phone survey that places Doug Jones above the MoE.

(Sorry if that autoplay .pdf eats someone’s resources. Don’t know how to kneecap it.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:30:05pm
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Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:30:07pm

re: #121 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I just checked, been here since April 2007…

Oct. 2007.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:31:49pm

I didn’t do much political stuff in 2008. I did get exposed to Ron Paul mania on Facebook and holy shit. They call liberals smug lol. You haven’t met a newly minted libertarian Ron Paul fan.

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Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:32:19pm

re: #129 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He was a valued poster, but whenever you track a group of people over years, some of them will go nuts.

Remember the frogs? He was always posting about the frogs in his pond.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:32:51pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:33:32pm

re: #129 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He was a valued poster, but whenever you track a group of people over years, some of them will go nuts.

Killgore was a contrarian at heart. He didn’t know how to arrive at a position or construct an argument except via opposition to someone else’s point of view. The old guard here allowed him to appear thoughtful via simple contrast, which was relatively easy because most of them didn’t believe in evolution.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:33:50pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

You grew up in a time when we had a government willing to help poor white kids but because they also want to help blacks and Latinos, you think today’s poor kids can fuck off.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:33:55pm

re: #148 Bubblehead II

Remember the frogs? He was always posting about the frogs in his pond.

he was always a good go-to source for gardening questions

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:34:18pm

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Winner.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:35:12pm

re: #148 Bubblehead II

Remember the frogs? He was always posting about the frogs in his pond.

Back then I liked frogs. It was before they became a symbol for fascism.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:35:17pm

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

Killgore was a contrarian at heart. He didn’t know how to arrive at a position or construct an argument except via opposition to someone else’s point of view. The old guard here allowed him to appear thoughtful via simple contrast, which was relatively easy because most of them didn’t believe in evolution.

That’s a good description of him. Can’t really talk too much about the old guard. So many of em were on their way out as I and many entered.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:36:08pm

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

Killgore was a contrarian at heart. He didn’t know how to arrive at a position or construct an argument except via opposition to someone else’s point of view. The old guard here allowed him to appear thoughtful via simple contrast, which was relatively easy because most of them didn’t believe in evolution.

Even back when this site was a lot more conservative, I noted that they generally had little time for flat-earthers or creationists. I saw that as a good sign.

And even the rather conservative posters had relatively reasoned and rational arguments, not just talking points followed by invective aimed at anyone who disagreed.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:38:34pm

Oh my god, Buck. I hated that guy. I knew the community here had my back when y’all defended me after he called me racist for saying Herman Cain was a guy who ran a pizza joint. I admitted to phrasing it badly but my point was and I’d make it about Trump too is the man had zero political qualifications.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:39:45pm

Some of the old guard conservatives were nice. I liked Reine and Fat Bastard Vegatsrian was a nice guy.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:40:26pm

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Even back when this site was a lot more conservative, I noted that they generally had little time for flat-earthers or creationists. I saw that as a good sign.

And even the rather conservative posters had relatively reasoned and rational arguments, not just talking points followed by invective aimed at anyone who disagreed.

In 2006-7 I was fascinated by the growth of political blogs, and kept a running ranking of them from crazy-to-sane. For a while I put LGF just above Freep, but I could see the healing as it occurred.

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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:40:43pm

re: #148 Bubblehead II

Remember the frogs? He was always posting about the frogs in his pond.

FORESHADOWING! //

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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:41:39pm

re: #157 HappyWarrior

Oh my god, Buck. I hated that guy. I knew the community here had my back when y’all defended me after he called me racist for saying Herman Cain was a guy who ran a pizza joint. I admitted to phrasing it badly but my point was and I’d make it about Trump too is the man had zero political qualifications.

Did Buck flounce, or was he banned? I remember for a while he’d just show up and post something and people would go off on him.

I was here early enough to meet Albusteve - he was the resident contrarian until he left and KT assumed the mantle.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:41:58pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:42:56pm

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

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it’s all about opportunities…

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sagehen  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:43:11pm

re: #158 HappyWarrior

Some of the old guard conservatives were nice. I liked Reine and Fat Bastard Vegatsrian was a nice guy.

Reine had a lot of useful local info about Deepwater Horizon, and her stained glass stuff was super-cool. Also, recipes. I don’t remember a lot of detail about her politics.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:44:00pm

Well, good night Lizards. Calling it a day over here in Europe.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:44:14pm

re: #161 makeitstop

Did Buck flounce, or was he banned? I remember for a while he’d just show up and post something and people would go off on him.

I was here early enough to meet Albusteve - he was the resident contrarian until he left and KT assumed the mantle.

I think Buck just left. Don’t know if he was ever banned. I just really resented and no offense to our non American lizards acting like we didn’t know what we were talking about in regards to the right wing extremism we witnessed. Steve did flounce I believe. He did something to get banned.

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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:44:23pm

re: #164 sagehen

Reine had a lot of useful local info about Deepwater Horizon, and her stained glass stuff was super-cool. Also, recipes. I don’t remember a lot of detail about her politics.

She voted for Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:44:25pm

re: #161 makeitstop

Did Buck flounce, or was he banned? I remember for a while he’d just show up and post something and people would go off on him.

I was here early enough to meet Albusteve - he was the resident contrarian until he left and KT assumed the mantle.

He still shows up once in a while, as does dantes.
fortunately, not often.

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Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:44:52pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

That’s a good description of him. Can’t really talk too much about the old guard. So many of em were on their way out as I and many entered.

They were, interesting. Many of them totally lost their collective shit when Pres. Obama was first elected. Vitriol flowed pretty heavy back then and then Charles opened our eyes to the right wing starting to approve of and wanting to form alliances with the European fascists and said not only no, but fuck no. After that, things got pretty wild around here. Almost got the ban hammer for quoting a flouncing Lizard in such a way it looked like me saying the shit he was spouting (Something about committing on-line suicide). Learned real fast to make sure who I was quoting was very clear.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:45:16pm

re: #164 sagehen

Reine had a lot of useful local info about Deepwater Horizon, and her stained glass stuff was super-cool. Also, recipes. I don’t remember a lot of detail about her politics.

She did not like Jindal. That’s what I remember about her most.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:45:32pm

re: #164 sagehen

Reine had a lot of useful local info about Deepwater Horizon, and her stained glass stuff was super-cool. Also, recipes. I don’t remember a lot of detail about her politics.

Reine was cool, and I never even considered FBV conservative. Losing albusteve was sad, after he had come so far back from RL shit.

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mmmirele  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:45:39pm

re: #62 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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This is not the first time or the last time Evangelicals have protected their own. Coverups of child abuse at Evangelical churches are tiresomely predictable.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:46:02pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

He still shows up once in a while, as does dantes.
fortunately, not often.

I’m glad I miss that. Another hit and run dick was Barflytom, a snooty Brit.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:46:24pm

re: #167 Nyet

She voted for Trump.

Looks like it. When some of them go, they go far.

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I cannot.  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:47:40pm

re: #167 Nyet

I think I ran into Reine somehow…not directly from here, but someone with a name close enough and close enough to someone around here.

Did this person go full InfoWars? If not, I’m thinking of a different Reine.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:48:36pm

re: #171 Decatur Deb

Reine was cool, and I never even considered FBV conservative. Losing albusteve was sad, after he had come so far back from RL shit.

He identified as conservative I recall. Steve really isn’t a bad guy. I liked talking tunes with him and you’re right, he went through a lot but he had a patronizing side.

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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:48:46pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

I’m glad I miss that. Another hit and run dick was Barflytom, a snooty Brit.

I get the feeling that by mentioning these guys, we’re going to make them show up again. :)

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Decatur Deb  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:49:37pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

He identified as conservative I recall. Steve really isn’t a bad guy. I liked talking tunes with him and you’re right, he went through a lot but he had a patronizing side.

So do I, kid.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:49:42pm

re: #177 makeitstop

I get the feeling that by mentioning these guys, we’re going to make them show up again. :)

Haha.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:50:14pm

re: #177 makeitstop

I get the feeling that by mentioning these guys, we’re going to make them show up again. :)

Anybody keeping count?

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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:50:44pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

He identified as conservative I recall. Steve really isn’t a bad guy. I liked talking tunes with him and you’re right, he went through a lot but he had a patronizing side.

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Cheechako  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:50:56pm

I think I’ve mentioned this before but I saw somewhere that Mandy Manners had suffered a massive stroke which left her almost completely paralyzed. I do feel sorry for her kid.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:51:21pm

re: #171 Decatur Deb

Reine was cool, and I never even considered FBV conservative. Losing albusteve was sad, after he had come so far back from RL shit.

Steve was an ass. I think he got more leeway than most here because of his health issues.

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danarchy  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:52:17pm

re: #177 makeitstop

I get the feeling that by mentioning these guys, we’re going to make them show up again. :)

I think you have to say their names 3 times in a row in front of a mirror, or maybe that was the Candyman…or was it Beetlejuice?

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Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:52:29pm

re: #164 sagehen

Reine had a lot of useful local info about Deepwater Horizon, and her stained glass stuff was super-cool. Also, recipes. I don’t remember a lot of detail about her politics.

Reine was, in my opinion, basically center right politically. She basically faded into the background as we moved more to the left and eventually quit posting. As for recipes, we swapped a few and I helped proof read Vol. 2 of the LGF cookbook with her. All in all she was a very sweet Lady.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:52:33pm

re: #182 Cheechako

I think I’ve mentioned this before but I saw somewhere that Mandy Manners had suffered a massive stroke which left her almost completely paralyzed. I do feel sorry for her kid.

That’s horrible. I wouldn’t wish that on anyone.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:52:47pm

re: #183 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Steve was an ass. I think he got more leeway than most here because of his health issues.

You could tell if it was a good day or bad.

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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:54:46pm

re: #184 danarchy

I think you have to say their names 3 times in a row in front of a mirror, or maybe that was the Candyman…or was it Beetlejuice?

All I know is if Buck shows up I’m blaming Happy. :)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:55:36pm

re: #182 Cheechako

I think I’ve mentioned this before but I saw somewhere that Mandy Manners had suffered a massive stroke which left her almost completely paralyzed. I do feel sorry for her kid.

That’s awful. May have disagreed with her but you never like to see that especially with someone with a young child as I believe she had.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:57:14pm

re: #181 Nyet

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:58:34pm

re: #177 makeitstop

I get the feeling that by mentioning these guys, we’re going to make them show up again. :)

that’s how it usually happens.
just like in Betelgeuse…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 1:59:05pm

Ziggy I know frustrated many of you and understandably so. I always felt bad because I think he was the youngest lizard and as an older brother, I always have an internal big brother instinct and he’s also on the spectrum but man he frustrated the hell out of me when he would generalize ethnic groups or want us to cosign on him wanting to go off on people. I think Electrotec (sorry man, spelling your name wrong) actually met him for a meal once and said he’s a pretty nice and quiet guy in person but gets very carried away when rambling.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:00:12pm

re: #178 Decatur Deb

So do I, kid.

Hey I’m not a kid anymore. I’m eligible for all but one government office!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:01:42pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

Hey I’m not a kid anymore. I’m eligible for all but one government office!

Check again. I don’t think you can drive an Army explosives truck some places.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:02:12pm

re: #194 Decatur Deb

Check again. I don’t think you can drive an Army explosives truck some places.

At 30?

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I cannot.  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:02:23pm

WOOP! Kiteboy has blocked me now!

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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:02:45pm

I think laZardo was a good guy. Was banned for calling cops pigs, but that was before all the stuff…

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Decatur Deb  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:03:00pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

At 30?

Damn. You’ve been having birthdays.

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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:04:02pm

windsagio and WindUpBird were a funny couple.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:04:08pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Damn. You’ve been having birthdays.

Haha. I mean I know by Sean Hannity’s standard but yeah I turned 30 in July. I get a lot of people thinking I’m younger than I am even with the facial hair.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:04:20pm

re: #197 Nyet

I think laZardo was a good guy. Was banned for calling cops pigs, but that was before all the stuff…

Name rings a bell.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:04:22pm

re: #197 Nyet

I think laZardo was a good guy. Was banned for calling cops pigs, but that was before all the stuff…

A blog needs a cohort of civil assholes.

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TedStriker  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:04:26pm

re: #15 Belafon

1. Ted Kennedy.
2. Franken could also be a good example of how to properly respond to past actions.
3. Casting stones.
4. Our representatives are not gods or demigods.

Even people with the best of intentions have feet of clay.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:04:51pm

re: #199 Nyet

windsagio and WindUpBird were a funny couple.

WUB was the first lizard I saw that really would not have DF’s shit. He was also hilarious and I liked talking brew with him since he lived in Portland.

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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:05:09pm

re: #199 Nyet

windsagio and WindUpBird were a funny couple.

I loved those guys. I wish they were still around.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:05:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:05:48pm

Fozziebear is another name I remember. Pleasant enough guy on the issues if not a little cynical but maybe in the end, it wasn’t without merit given where we are.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:06:30pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s nice, Grifty. I prefer songs that actually have meaning.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:06:43pm

re: #199 Nyet

windsagio and WindUpBird were a funny couple.

They just kind of drifted off, without any Sturm und Drang, no? Mad Al Jaffee did that—one of the nicest lizards, and great with tunes.

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danarchy  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:06:53pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

Hey I’m not a kid anymore. I’m eligible for all but one government office!

A little known postulate of the theory of relativity. All age is relative. One of my older clients asked me how old I was the other day and when I said 42 he replied with “Damn kid, you still have that new car smell on you!” which I thought was pretty amusing since I am starting to feel OLD.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:07:23pm

re: #203 TedStriker

Even people with the best of intentions have feet of clay.

Good men can do bad things. Bad men likewise can do good things. Trick is finding men who mostly do good.

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:08:17pm

re: #202 Decatur Deb

A blog needs a cohort of civil assholes.

*wakes from nap*

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Belafon  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:08:24pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

At 30?

On Sunday I turn the big 0x30, or 060 (base 8).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:09:13pm

re: #210 danarchy

A little known postulate of the theory of relativity. All age is relative. One of my older clients asked me how old I was the other day and when I said 42 he replied with “Damn kid, you still have that new car smell on you!” which I thought was pretty amusing since I am starting to feel OLD.

It’s really hitting me now since pretty much every high school kid was born this century. I also use as a measuring stick where I’d be if I were a rookie. I’d be a 30 year old rookie if I debuted today. Dayum. I’m happier in my early 30’s than I was in my early 20’s though. More confident with who I am and what I can do. Lexapro and general improved self confidence has helped but eyah it is all relative.

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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:09:26pm

re: #205 makeitstop

I loved those guys. I wish they were still around.

FozzieBear…

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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:09:44pm

re: #210 danarchy

A little known postulate of the theory of relativity. All age is relative. One of my older clients asked me how old I was the other day and when I said 42 he replied with “Damn kid, you still have that new car smell on you!” which I thought was pretty amusing since I am starting to feel OLD.

I, too, felt old 22 years ago. Damn, I’m old.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:10:06pm

On topic since a mad former lizard is included in the article.
The Intercept Knows Breaking Up With Julian Assange Is For The Best, But It Still Hurts :(
Read more at wonkette.com

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The Major  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:11:09pm

Vice: Democrats Are Doomed Unless They Start Listening to Millennials
Candidates may be tempted to court older white Trump voters, but that’s exactly the wrong approach

2017 is the year of the youth vote. From the stunning surge of Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party in the UK elections to Ralph Northam’s victory in Virginia, the power of young voters to influence political outcomes is increasingly clear. It is often absurd to speak in terms of “generational ethos,” but the cohort that voted so strongly for Labour in the UK and the Democratic Party in the US do have shared memories. Coming of age during a cataclysmic recession caused by the excesses of the 1 percent, millennials have experienced a political system that prioritized assets over human beings. They’ve watched as failures of the elite class resulted in the further accumulation of wealth in the hands of the ruling class, even while pundits declared that the system worked.

The Boomer generation, secure in the post-war welfare state, felt no compunctions pulling up the ladder. They voted for white supremacists devoted to the destruction of the social safety net while secure in the knowledge that their own healthcare would remain cheap—and indeed, Medicare has not been threatened by the Republican Party like Medicaid has. Yet despite the clear leftward lean of young people, caused in no small part by the Great Recession, pundits have frequently overlooked their electoral power, and too many Democrats still don’t know how to energize them.

Starting in 2004, American political parties began diving across age lines, meaning that low turnout among young voters increasingly spells doom for a Democratic candidate. For all the analysis below, I use two-party vote share of presidential elections (meaning excluding third-party voting) using American National Election Studies (ANES) data. That data points to three eras of age polarization in voters by age. Between 1952 and 1972, the average difference in Democratic performance in between those aged 18-34 and those 65-plus was 9 percentage points (Democrats won, on average, 51 percent of the vote among those 18-34 and 42 percent of the vote among those 65 or older). In the ‘60 and ‘64 elections, there were 13- and 17-point age gaps, respectively. In the ‘72 election, the gap was 12 points.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:12:23pm

re: #218 The Major

Vice: Democrats Are Doomed Unless They Start Listening to Millennials
Candidates may be tempted to court older white Trump voters, but that’s exactly the wrong approach

I tend to agree with that actually but at the same time, despite what is said, not every millenial or even millenial liberal is a Bernie Sanders worshiper especiallly when you’re talking to young women and PoC.

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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:12:36pm

re: #217 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Even Brown showed the right time this once.

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Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:12:55pm

re: #212 jaunte

*wakes from nap*

Bout time you old goat.

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:12:55pm

re: #183 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Steve was an ass. I think he got more leeway than most here because of his health issues.

Many of that crowd, and by that I mean the more conservative types who were still around after the loss of the most evil cultie nutjobs, were contrarian in nature, which is a nice way of saying ‘troll’. I said once that steve was a troll in the purest sense of the word, ie. someone whose main goal in posting is to pick a fight, regardless of topic or position. The same was true of Walter and even Cato to some extent, though they were much more literate and veiled it better. Killgore was also somewhat contrarian, but I think he became more set in that way out of pure stubbornness when people here didn’t like how he reacted to OWS. He struck me as a quiet guy who liked his den and his garden and didn’t like his peace disturbed, and his hatred of protestors and demonstrators stemmed from that. When he realised that LGF as a whole didn’t share his hatred, he decided to become more contrarian about it.

There have been many people, over the years, who have clearly felt that the community here had a prevailing opinion that marginalised them personally. I’m pretty sure in most cases that wasn’t true as a whole, but for whatever reason, there have been many people who believed that this group, the LGF tribe, if you will, no longer included them and was now diametrically opposed. Some of that is the fault of cult politics - as I said, the cult demanded that Republicans endorse more and more extreme positions or you’re a terrorist who hates America. Some of that also is due to the impersonal nature of the internet - one bad interaction, even one cluster of downdings, and someone feels excluded, as if the whole community here has turned on them. reine, for instance, felt that somehow everyone here hated Southerners and decided to get offended at that.

It’s why I try always to err on the side of inclusion rather than exclusion, why I would defend DF when others demanded he quit the blog, even though I also would call him out on his badly thought out opinions. There are lots of good people here, and good people can differ without exclusion.

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austin_blue  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:13:07pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

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Walter set the high water mark for passive aggressive posts.

I really miss Ed. Good weatherman. Oh, and Occasional Reader.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:13:15pm

That said, I hate generation blaming and divisiveness. Plenty of boomers I’d much rather talk politics with than many in my own generation who post Shapiro or Crowder’s bullshit.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:14:51pm

re: #219 HappyWarrior

Vice: Democrats Are Doomed Unless They Start Listening to Millennials
Candidates may be tempted to court older white Trump voters, but that’s exactly the wrong approach

I tend to agree with that actually but at the same time, despite what is said, not every millenial or even millenial liberal is a Bernie Sanders worshiper especiallly when you’re talking to young women and PoC.

Guess I’ll just shuffle off to my proper pew in the Republican party, then. If I hurry, I’ll be able to vote for Roy Moore.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:15:10pm

re: #223 austin_blue

Walter set the high water mark for passive aggressive posts.

I really miss Ed. Good weatherman. Oh, and Occasional Reader.

My friend who introduced me to LGF got into it with Walter. My friend made a joke about about Robert Spencer and Walter didn’t like it. My friend really didn’t last long on LGF and we remain very good friends IRL but he didn’t last long here. I don’t even remember his usenrname.

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Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:15:35pm

re: #217 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

On topic since a mad former lizard is included in the article.
The Intercept Knows Breaking Up With Julian Assange Is For The Best, But It Still Hurts :(
Read more at wonkette.com

Barrett Brown?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:15:58pm

re: #225 Decatur Deb

Guess I’ll just shuffle off to my proper pew in the Republican party, then. If I hurry, I’ll be able to vote for Roy Moore.

Oh no, I don’t mean that. I just think it’s right we should try to get younger voters out. You do that DD and you do that quite well. No group should be written off.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:17:07pm

re: #227 Bubblehead II

Barrett Brown?

Yep. He was very full of himself here, and claimed he was working on a secret project with Charles.

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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:18:13pm
It is not surprising that Brown felt personally betrayed by Assange, since, as he explained on Facebook Tuesday night, “I went to prison because of my support for WikiLeaks.”

Brown’s stupidity is his own fault.

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Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:20:14pm

re: #229 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Yep. He was very full of himself here, and claimed he was working on a secret project with Charles.

I think that was the heroine talking back then.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:21:20pm

re: #222 Renaissance_Man

Many of that crowd, and by that I mean the more conservative types who were still around after the loss of the most evil cultie nutjobs, were contrarian in nature, which is a nice way of saying ‘troll’. I said once that steve was a troll in the purest sense of the word, ie. someone whose main goal in posting is to pick a fight, regardless of topic or position. The same was true of Walter and even Cato to some extent, though they were much more literate and veiled it better. Killgore was also somewhat contrarian, but I think he became more set in that way out of pure stubbornness when people here didn’t like how he reacted to OWS. He struck me as a quiet guy who liked his den and his garden and didn’t like his peace disturbed, and his hatred of protestors and demonstrators stemmed from that. When he realised that LGF as a whole didn’t share his hatred, he decided to become more contrarian about it.

There have been many people, over the years, who have clearly felt that the community here had a prevailing opinion that marginalised them personally. I’m pretty sure in most cases that wasn’t true as a whole, but for whatever reason, there have been many people who believed that this group, the LGF tribe, if you will, no longer included them and was now diametrically opposed. Some of that is the fault of cult politics - as I said, the cult demanded that Republicans endorse more and more extreme positions or you’re a terrorist who hates America. Some of that also is due to the impersonal nature of the internet - one bad interaction, even one cluster of downdings, and someone feels excluded, as if the whole community here has turned on them. reine, for instance, felt that somehow everyone here hated Southerners and decided to get offended at that.

It’s why I try always to err on the side of inclusion rather than exclusion, why I would defend DF when others demanded he quit the blog, even though I also would call him out on his badly thought out opinions. There are lots of good people here, and good people can differ without exclusion.

I think you may be on to something there. I actually got on quite good with KT and tried to reason with him but he just as you get at. I never wanted DF to be forced to leave either. He frustrated the hell out of me but I never would want an echo chamber. I just didn’t like it when I felt DF wasn’t being intellectually honest with us or when I felt he was just supporting a policy because it was the conservative one rather than any real principles. I mean with RWC, he and I still have very different views on guns but I respect him because he comes from a position of honesty and not partisanship on the issue and i greatly value what he contributes to the discussion when it comes to one of my personal pet issues, immigration. DF, I feel only took certain positions because he felt as a Republican he had to. He didn’t own guns and I get that he knew more about them than i did but he seemed to refues to budge on the issue simply because his team wasn’t.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:23:06pm

During my early years here, I remember my campus’s Youth for Western Civilization chapter had a meeting with Tom Tancredo as a guest. YWC much more than the Tea Party for all my dislike of the Tea Party was more of a foreshadowing of what we call the alt-right today. Part of that is because YWC like the alt-right is fairly youthful.

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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:23:19pm

re: #225 Decatur Deb

Guess I’ll just shuffle off to my proper pew in the Republican party, then. If I hurry, I’ll be able to vote for Roy Moore.

Don’t break a hip hurrying. ;)

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:23:59pm

Here we go. The poorly faked accusations are starting.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:24:56pm

re: #235 jaunte

Here we go. The poorly faked accusations are starting.

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Christ.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:25:02pm
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TedStriker  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:25:27pm

re: #164 sagehen

Reine had a lot of useful local info about Deepwater Horizon, and her stained glass stuff was super-cool. Also, recipes. I don’t remember a lot of detail about her politics.

IIRC, Reine went full Trump; someone posted a tweet of hers earlier this year and it was mindboggling and heartbreaking at the same time.

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:25:38pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Looks just like something the Putin troll factory would be interested in doing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:26:38pm
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TedStriker  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:26:58pm

re: #182 Cheechako

I think I’ve mentioned this before but I saw somewhere that Mandy Manners had suffered a massive stroke which left her almost completely paralyzed. I do feel sorry for her kid.

Damn, if that’s true, that blows; I came not to like her because of her bellicosity, but no one deserves that.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:27:06pm

re: #223 austin_blue

Walter set the high water mark for passive aggressive posts.

I really miss Ed. Good weatherman. Oh, and Occasional Reader.

Walter was, and presumably still is, an absolute shithead. I remember him threatening me with someone else’s violence for using the word “redneck” here, as though he could speak for the local people in Texas, that is, he is a double chickenshit/coward for threatening violence over the net, and for doing so on behalf of someone other than himself. When he first got here, he managed to get my address by offering to send me a Roman coin and a meteorite fragment, for free, and he made good on it. I still have the items. I am pretty sure it was this that allowed the insane stalker blog to threaten to doxx me by my real name and address. This is what led me to post my real name and my real address in Wolfforth Texas (now out of date).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:27:17pm

re: #239 jaunte

Looks just like something the Putin troll factory would be interested in doing.

That was my thought immediately when I saw that it was via Twitter and that the accuser may not even exist. Man fucking Twitter. I’m not anti-Twitter but man I hate seeing what can be such a valuable technology be abused that way.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:27:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:27:36pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Perjury sure is funny y’all. //

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:28:54pm
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whitebeach  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:29:40pm

re: #210 danarchy

A little known postulate of the theory of relativity. All age is relative.

Horseshit. When you’re old enough to know it’s horseshit, you won’t be talking relativity.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:30:57pm

re: #235 jaunte

Here we go. The poorly faked accusations are starting.

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Erin Ryan predicted this

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:32:05pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:32:18pm

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

Graham: The hypocrisy of Washington has no bounds. So many denouncing Roy Moore when they are guilty of doing much worse than what he has been accused of supposedly doing. Shame on those hypocrites.

Tapper: A reminder that Moore has been accused of sexually molesting a 14 year old girl and sexually assaulting a 16 year old girl.

Who’s guilty of “doing much worse than” that, Reverend? Seriously, this is a matter for law enforcement

I refer to my eariler comment about how all nuance or context regarding sexual impropriety has been tossed aside in the current climate of tweets, talking points and sound bytes.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:32:27pm

re: #230 Nyet

Brown’s stupidity is his own fault.

Barrett Brown is a despicable piece of shit who conspired to hack into LGF, and worked with Pamela Geller and the stalker blog to attack and smear me. Fuck Barrett Brown. He poses as a decent person but he’s a true scumbag.

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The Major  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:33:46pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

Re-calibration completed.

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:34:52pm

re: #248 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Great advice to keep looking at every incident carefully:

“…That’s why Weinstein fallout could go up in smoke in a second. Because enough people believe that women are all liars, that one liar will fuck it up for all of us.

This Roy Moore Old Testament-Original Sin-Women Are Liars mindset is the worldview that needs to change in order for women to truly have access to the same opportunities that men have. But its opposite—the notion that women must be believed without any evidence whatsoever—will lead the worst among us to exploit the proof loophole and wreak as much damage as they can before their lies are discovered and skewered. At that point, the loophole irreversibly closes. And if that happens, we’re stuck in Roy Moore’s world, where men are the arbiters of morality and if women aren’t lying, they must have been asking for it.”
thedailybeast.com

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ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:35:05pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

That sounds familiar.

Happy, just getting back to reading. I see you have a new avi image of your niece. You can tell she’s growing up. She has beautiful eyes.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:36:30pm

I’m still hoping for some Moore dirt from Australia. As observed here earlier, there is something very odd about an up and coming young lawyer, especially one as ambitious as Moore, suddenly pulling up stakes and running off to the other side of the world to work as a cowboy.
I might expect this kind of sudden rebellion from someone with some kind of genuine artistic or intellectual sensibility but that ain’t the doggerel spouting Moore. He was running from something.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:36:42pm

Oh man seems like just a few years ago when I was corresponding with RDT on the second cookbook.

Registered since: Oct 7, 2008 at 3:34 pm

Well more than a few years.

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danarchy  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:37:06pm

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I bet the right wing talkers would all get a hoot out of that. Turns out most pardoned turkeys don’t make it to the next thanksgiving. When you breed critters to get as big and fat as possible as quickly as possible it really restricts their life span.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:38:50pm

Somebody from the crowd should have responded to Sessions, “Yes, but you won’t remember them.”

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gocart mozart  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:39:03pm

re: #235 jaunte

Someone calling themselves Linda Flores of Cheshire claimed that Blumenthal assaulted her when she was a summer intern in 1979. Blumenthal went on to the state Senate, and then became the state’s longtime attorney general before winning the U.S. Senate seat. He was U.S. Attorney from 1977 until 1981.

Local take on Blumenthal bot attack ctpost.com
Cheshire (not Chesire) is the next town over from me.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:39:11pm

re: #255 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I’m still hoping for some Moore dirt from Australia. As observed here earlier, there is something very odd about an up and coming young lawyer, especially one as ambitious as Moore, suddenly pulling up stake and running off to the other side of the world to work as a cowboy.
I might expect this kind of sudden rebellion from someone with some kind of genuine artistic or intellectual sensibility but that ain’t the doggerel spouting Moore. He was running from something.

My Dad has said the same thing.

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Cheechako  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:42:21pm

re: #255 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I’m still hoping for some Moore dirt from Australia. As observed here earlier, there is something very odd about an up and coming young lawyer, especially one as ambitious as Moore, suddenly pulling up stake and running off to the other side of the world to work as a cowboy.
I might expect this kind of sudden rebellion from someone with some kind of genuine artistic or intellectual sensibility but that ain’t the doggerel spouting Moore. He was running from something.

I’ve also wondered about that trip. I think he might have been running away from some young lady’s dad toting a shotgun.

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:42:41pm

re: #259 gocart mozart

“I was 19, & haven’t recovered since- it’s now been 38 years…..I had the summer off & since I was planning on entering the law field I wanted to intern with some high up legal firms. Using my father’s connections I was able to obtain a free of pay intern slot at the US Attorneys office in New haven CT. What was supposed to be a dream & a stepping stone towards a bright future turned into a nightmare because of the attorney I was “apprenticing by”, his name was Richard Blumenthal known at the time as richy. I was silent & my life was ruined there’s no doubt to me I could have prevented the assaults that probably occurred to future female coworkers of Richard”

Maybe it’s just me, but some of that doesn’t sound like American speech.

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ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:42:48pm

Why I say, I say. The honorable Ms. Governor Kay Ivey would deal with the Devil Hisownself jus’ so longs as he is a Proper Republican Southern Gentleman. I do declare!

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:44:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:44:48pm

re: #262 jaunte

Maybe it’s just me, but some of that doesn’t sound like American speech.

This does stink and I think it’s borscht I smell.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:45:28pm

re: #264 jaunte

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Bingo. And I totally think the right wingers in the media and politics will be happy to feed this.

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ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:46:09pm

re: #80 Single-handed sailor

I had a dog that would attack sharks on TV.

Must have been a good swimmer. Labrador by any chance? Probably just wanted to play with the fishie.

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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:47:20pm

re: #264 jaunte

Of course a Rothschild would say that! //////

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:48:25pm

re: #268 Nyet

Of course a Rothschild would say that! //////

Ah the Rothchilds, 19th century speak for Soros. And yeah I do know the Antisemitic nuts still do use them. Merely pointing out that it’s a golden oldie heh as you of course know.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:51:00pm

re: #262 jaunte

Maybe it’s just me, but some of that doesn’t sound like American speech.

Here’s another thing that makes me skeptical here as someone who works in the legal field. 19 and gets an internship at the U.S. Attorney’s office? I’d honestly be skeptical Blumenthal had been in private practice and that were the case. Law firms are more likely to give internships to current law students. I was a big exception when I got mine last year but I also have a paralegal certificate as well.

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ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:51:03pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

MikeySDCA, the only person I’ve ever snitched on to the FBI. The link to the website was in his account bio, clicking on his name led us there.

Yeesh. I think I don’t want to know what the SDCA stands for.

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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:52:06pm

re: #271 ObserverArt

Yeesh. I think I don’t want to know what the SDCA stands for.

My first thought was ‘San Diego California.’

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:52:09pm

re: #271 ObserverArt

Yeesh. I think I don’t want to know what the SDCA stands for.

So Don’t Call Adults? // Actually I think I do now.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:52:19pm

re: #272 makeitstop

My first thought was ‘San Diego California.’

Mmmmhmmm.

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Nyet  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:52:28pm

re: #271 ObserverArt

Yeesh. I think I don’t want to know what the SDCA stands for.

South Dakota Child Abusers? //

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:53:04pm

re: #275 Nyet

South Dakota Child Abusers? //

Sally Doesn’t Care Anymore.

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gocart mozart  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:57:39pm

re: #262 jaunte

“I was 19, & haven’t recovered since- it’s now been 38 years…..I had the summer off & since I was planning on entering the law field I wanted to intern with some high up legal firms. Using my father’s connections I was able to obtain a free of pay intern slot at the US Attorneys office in New haven CT. What was supposed to be a dream & a stepping stone towards a bright future turned into a nightmare because of the attorney I was “apprenticing by”, his name was Richard Blumenthal known at the time as richy. I was silent & my life was ruined there’s no doubt to me I could have prevented the assaults that probably occurred to future female coworkers of Richard”

Maybe it’s just me, but some of that doesn’t sound like American speech.

You have to read it with a Russian accent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:57:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:59:11pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2017 • 2:59:50pm

re: #122 Dr Lizardo

I got along with him pretty good….he was from Portland, OR (IIRC) so when he’d mention something local, I knew what he was referring to. But yeah, he started getting obnoxious towards the end there.

Regarding Kilgore Trout: I can hear the Antifa comments from here. From Ferguson on it would all have driven him bonkers.

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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:09:32pm

The shit just keeps piling up around Jared.

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ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:10:12pm

re: #160 Nyet

FORESHADOWING! //

You sir are on fire tonight.

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gocart mozart  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:12:50pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:15:02pm

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tim Kaine ✔@timkaine
I guess when they call this a “jobs bill” they mean that, once it passes, you’ll have to get a second one.
4:11 PM - Nov 17, 2017

Not only that Tim. We are also getting ‘jobbed!’

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Decatur Deb  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:16:22pm

re: #281 makeitstop

The shit just keeps piling up around Jared.

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“Russian Backdoor Overture” sounds like a piece PDQ Bach would write.

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gocart mozart  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:16:28pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:18:13pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

Barrett Brown is a despicable piece of shit who conspired to hack into LGF, and worked with Pamela Geller and the stalker blog to attack and smear me. Fuck Barrett Brown. He poses as a decent person but he’s a true scumbag.

Yeah, I remember him being an annoying fucking mouthpiece for Anonymous. That shit got old REAL fast.

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wrenchwench  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:20:13pm

I was just visited by a customer I haven’t seen in at least 5 years. He talked about wanting to upgrade a bike I built for him with, among other things, carbon fiber wheels. After he left, I remembered that he took one of my tune up classes and told us (me and the other three students) about being in the bottom of the Grand Canyon (having hiked down there) and getting into an argument with one of his companions about the earth being only 6,000 years old. My customer was (and is, for all I know) a Young Earth Creationist. Then I felt bad for not giving him an evidence-based reason for my thinking that carbon fiber wheels might not be a good idea. I don’t have one. All I have is this onion on my belt.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:22:54pm

re: #288 wrenchwench

I was just visited by a customer I haven’t seen in at least 5 years. He talked about wanting to upgrade a bike I built for him with, among other things, carbon fiber wheels. After he left, I remembered that he took one of my tune up classes and told us (me and the other three students) about being in the bottom of the Grand Canyon (having hiked down there) and getting into an argument with one of his companions about the earth being only 6,000 years old. My customer was (and is, for all I know) a Young Earth Creationist. Then I felt bad for not giving him an evidence-based reason for my thinking that carbon fiber wheels might not be a good idea. I don’t have one. All I have is this onion on my belt.

“Steel spokes and steel frames were good enough for Eddy Merckx, and by god, they’re good enough for you!”

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ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:24:22pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

NBC4 Columbus ✔@nbc4i
New country music song titled “Take a Knee, My Ass (I Won’t Take a Knee)” takes aim at those who kneel during the National Anthem. bit.ly
2:31 PM - Nov 17, 2017

I’m proud to be an Okie from Muskogee

We don’t smoke marijuana in Muskogee
We don’t take our trips on LSD
We don’t burn our draft cards down on Main Street
We like livin’ right, and bein’ free

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jaunte  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:25:42pm

re: #288 wrenchwench

“A young-earth creationist at the bottom of the Grand Canyon” is a great metaphor for someone who prefers their fantasy to the actual world around them.

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wrenchwench  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:26:08pm

re: #289 Blind Frog Belly White

“Steel spokes and steel frames were good enough for Eddy Merckx, and by god, they’re good enough for you!”

I’ll have to substitute Ned Overend. It’s a mountain bike.

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whitebeach  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:26:13pm

Yikes! With all the conversation about ancient times here I went back and looked up my very first posts. Seriously, it was like Let’s Do the Time Warp Again.

The first concerned the environment and argued that no amount of green efforts would suffice unless we also found a way to reduce the human population or at least keep it from growing. Three lizards, freetoken, Interesting Times, and Obdicut, updinged it. Thanks!

The second was a purely historical post about the Louisiana Native Guards, free black men from New Orleans who enlisted (briefly) as a regiment in the Confederate armed services. The purpose wasn’t to promote the Confederacy or claim that blacks in general did so, but rather to point out that the situation wasn’t as simple as often depicted and that New Orleans, as in so many ways, was unusual. That comment received no updings and one downding. But the downding was from Charles!

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makeitstop  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:27:13pm

A very wise friend from Austin just posted this to Facebook:

‘Somebody reminded me that to dogs, humans are near-immortals who live incomprehensibly long lives. ‘

Now I’ve got something in my eye.

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gocart mozart  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:27:35pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:28:40pm

re: #292 wrenchwench

I’ll have to substitute Ned Overend. It’s a mountain bike.

If you break a carbon spoke on a ride, and you can’t remove it from the rim, can you twist it around a nearby spoke and get home, as I have done with steel?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:28:55pm

re: #291 jaunte

“A young-earth creationist at the bottom of the Grand Canyon” is a great metaphor for someone who prefers their fantasy to the actual world around them.

“A young-earth creationist at the bottom of the Grand Canyon” sounds like a hideous stratigraphy accident.

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wrenchwench  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:29:12pm

re: #291 jaunte

“A young-earth creationist at the bottom of the Grand Canyon” is a great metaphor for someone who prefers their fantasy to the actual world around them.

And he’s an anesthesiologist. I don’t see how someone gets that far with those beliefs.
Career or canyon.

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whitebeach  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:30:34pm

re: #297 Decatur Deb

“A young-earth creationist at the bottom of the Grand Canyon” sounds like a hideous stratigraphy accident.

A young earth creationist at the bottom of the Grand Canyon sounds like the old joke about five thousand lawyers at the bottom of the ocean: a good start.

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wrenchwench  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:30:36pm

re: #296 Blind Frog Belly White

If you break a carbon spoke on a ride, and you can’t remove it from the rim, can you twist it around a nearby spoke and get home, as I have done with steel?

Don’t make me do the research.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:31:46pm

re: #300 wrenchwench

Don’t make me do the research.

If CF spokes are anything like CF arrow shafts, they’re either straight, or they’re broken.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:32:35pm

re: #300 wrenchwench

Don’t make me do the research.

Also, a good researcher knows how to delegate the really dangerous shit to other workers…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:33:38pm

re: #298 wrenchwench

And he’s an anesthesiologist. I don’t see how someone gets that far with those beliefs.
Career or canyon.

Because medicine isn’t really Science, and medical training is less about learning to reason than it is about regurgitation.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:33:49pm

re: #302 Blind Frog Belly White

Also, a good researcher knows how to delegate the really dangerous shit to other workers graduate students…

Fixed for you.

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Mattand  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:33:52pm

re: #280 ObserverArt

Regarding Kilgore Trout: I can hear the Antifa comments from here. From Ferguson on it would all have driven him bonkers.

The only time I ever really got under KT’s skin was when I said his idea for selling used underwear was idiotic.

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Skip Intro  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:34:32pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:35:02pm

re: #304 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Fixed for you.

Well, I work in industry, so for me it’s RAs or interns.

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wrenchwench  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:35:49pm

re: #302 Blind Frog Belly White

Also, a good researcher knows how to delegate the really dangerous shit to other workers…

I just did my annual cleaning of the inside of the front window. I can’t even delegate that. Now I have to put up little lights and all my Hallmark bicycle ornaments.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:37:12pm

re: #308 wrenchwench

I just did my annual cleaning of the inside of the front window. I can’t even delegate that. Now I have to put up little lights and all my Hallmark bicycle ornaments.

Sounds like a slacker in the War on Christmas.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:37:26pm

I am nearly done with my Christmas shopping, minus a few smaller things for mr. klys and my father-in-law, where nothing I get will be the right thing anyway and he’ll just return it.

BOW BEFORE ME AND DESPAIR.

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Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:37:57pm

FUCK! FUCK! FUCK!

Argentine navy says it’s lost contact with submarine

The ARA San Juan submarine was last spotted Wednesday in the San Jorge Gulf roughly 432 kilometers (268 miles) off the east coast, the navy said. At least 44 crew members were on board, state-run news agency Telam reported.

Regardless of Nationality, these men are my brothers.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:38:57pm

re: #310 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I am nearly done with my Christmas shopping, minus a few smaller things for mr. klys and my father-in-law, where nothing I get will be the right thing anyway and he’ll just return it.

BOW BEFORE ME AND DESPAIR.

Did no one get the November Soros memo?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:40:18pm

re: #312 Decatur Deb

Did no one get the November Soros memo?

Mine must have been delayed with the check.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:41:41pm

re: #302 Blind Frog Belly White

Also, a good researcher knows how to delegate the really dangerous shit to other workers…

Also the rule of thumb for a good supervillain.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:43:23pm

re: #314 Eclectic Cyborg

Also the rule of thumb for a good supervillain.

“Why is my lab coat red?”

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whitebeach  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:43:40pm

re: #310 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I am nearly done with my Christmas shopping, minus a few smaller things for mr. klys and my father-in-law, where nothing I get will be the right thing anyway and he’ll just return it.

BOW BEFORE ME AND DESPAIR.

I laugh on you. We procrastinators will prevail.

Someday.

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gocart mozart  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:45:13pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:49:56pm

re: #317 gocart mozart

Wow, that’s wild.

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Skip Intro  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:51:57pm

Some good-bad news.

Dollar on track for second weekly loss in a row

The U.S. dollar lost ground Friday, slipping after a report said that U.S. special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into Russian election interference has made its first official order for information connected to President Donald Trump’s campaign.

That drop for the greenback reversed some of the gains the currency logged Thursday after the House voted in favor of the Republican-led U.S. tax overhaul.

marketwatch.com

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gocart mozart  Nov 17, 2017 • 3:54:47pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:05:20pm
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Belafon  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:07:20pm

re: #320 gocart mozart

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I figure people not her are going interpret it differently. Since he apologized, and she accepted, unless she drags it out, I don’t think we need a she said-everyone else said.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:13:05pm

re: #264 jaunte

Mike Rothschild @rothschildmd
I expect fake sexual allegations against Dems to become the hottest Russian active measure.

1. Drown out real accusations against Republicans
2. They force liberals to question the accounts of “survivors”
3. Distract from Russia investigation
4:43 PM - Nov 17, 2017
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4. Distract from our 1000’th attempt to destroy Obamacare and to bigly reduce taxes on wealthy by harming everyone else.

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gocart mozart  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:13:47pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:16:16pm

re: #34 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Vicente Fox Quesada ✔ @VicenteFoxQue
.@realDonaldTrump and his family could save up to 1 million dollars with his tax reform. He isn’t even trying to hide the fact that he’s a greedy turd.
Jeff Furlington @FurlingtonJeff
The wealthy used the poorly educated poor to put people in office that will screw the poor and further enrich the people who live like kings. The American educational system failed too many people in the poorer regions.
2:31 PM - Nov 17, 2017
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People keep on repeating that it was the poorly educated who supported trump. The Trump supporters I know are well educated; it’s the intrinsic racism and misogyny that led to a majority of white voters fearing the future would be more colorful and more female.

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Skip Intro  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:17:49pm

re: #324 gocart mozart

This all sounds like total bullshit to me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:23:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:27:28pm
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Dave In Austin  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:34:46pm

re: #317 gocart mozart

That’s some good stuff right there.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:35:20pm

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whitebeach  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:37:45pm

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Twenty years after reporting his car stolen, a German man discovered today he’d just left it in a parking garage. We’ve all been there, man.

Good lord, look at that buggy. I can understand the man forgetting about it for twenty years. What I can’t understand is why he reported it stolen.

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Skip Intro  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:41:08pm

re: #331 whitebeach

Good lord, look at that buggy. I can understand the man forgetting about it for twenty years. What I can’t understand is why he reported it stolen.

I hope he didn’t spend the insurance payout.

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Jay C  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:41:13pm

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Its obvious that guy didn’t leave his car in New York: if the garage was anything like mine, they would have had his heap hauled away after a week, never mind twenty years….

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BlueSpotinAL  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:42:17pm

re: #67 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Not to me. Maybe I blocked it out.

I never knew of any such website, and am glad of it.

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Cheechako  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:43:53pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:44:42pm

So what happened with the TC in the Senate today?

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whitebeach  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:47:00pm

re: #333 Jay C

Its obvious that guy didn’t leave his car in New York: if the garage was anything like mine, they would have had his heap hauled away after a week, never mind twenty years….

On a related topic, I just googled the address of the building burning on W. 144th St. First thing I saw except for fire pix was a notice that the place had apartments available starting at $4495/mo. On W. 144. I guess I’ve been away from the island too damn long.

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Skip Intro  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:47:22pm

re: #336 Skip Intro

Never mind. I see they’re going on vacation again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:49:52pm

oh…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:50:37pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:52:21pm

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh…

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JR.’s not gonna like that.

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Jay C  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:52:48pm

re: #337 whitebeach

On a related topic, I just googled the address of the building burning on W. 144th St. First thing I saw except for fire pix was a notice that the place had apartments available starting at $4495/mo. On W. 144. I guess I’ve been away from the island too damn long.

Looking at the newsfilm of that fire, I imagine rentals in that building are likely to be somewhat discounted for the near future….👨🏻‍🚒👨🏻‍🚒👩🏻‍🚒

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Skip Intro  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:53:09pm

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh…

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He wants more types of dead animals to be allowed to be brought back as trophys. Don Jr. has threatened to hold his breath and turn blue unless daddy fixes this.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:54:47pm

re: #342 Jay C

Looking at the newsfilm of that fire, I imagine rentals in that building are likely to be somewhat discounted for the near future….👨🏻‍🚒👨🏻‍🚒👩🏻‍🚒

“We’ve got smoking hot deals just for you!”

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stpaulbear  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:55:23pm

re: #336 Skip Intro

So what happened with the TC in the Senate today?

I just watched the exchange between Orrin Hatch and Sherrod Brown from last night. That’s some pretty grade z ‘get off my lawn you damned kids’ bullshit on Hatch’s part. What an ass.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:55:50pm

Hoops and Justanotherhuman

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:58:28pm
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scottslemmons  Nov 17, 2017 • 4:59:06pm

re: #264 jaunte

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I really hope the next (???) Democrat in the White House will make it a priority to turn Russia into a stone-age society. I think it’s pretty safe to say nothing good has ever come from Russian culture. Fence it off forever, knock it down every time they discover the wheel.

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ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:04:08pm

re: #331 whitebeach

Good lord, look at that buggy. I can understand the man forgetting about it for twenty years. What I can’t understand is why he reported it stolen.

Reminds me of my first EuroCar, a ‘74 Audi 100LS. Mechanics hated the car as it had it’s very Germanic qwirks. But when it was right that car was great. The front fender line is about the same. Audi/VW shared platform.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:04:44pm
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sagehen  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:05:42pm

re: #348 scottslemmons

I really hope the next (???) Democrat in the White House will make it a priority to turn Russia into a stone-age society. I think it’s pretty safe to say nothing good has ever come from Russian culture. Fence it off forever, knock it down every time they discover the wheel.

They do excellent ballet and chess. Tchaikovsky, Stravinsky, Rimsky-Korsokov; they produce many many great violinists and piano players. Dostoevsky. Tolstoy. Solzhenitsyn. Sholem Aleichem.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:06:21pm

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Tiny capybara

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:07:21pm

re: #351 sagehen

They do excellent ballet and chess. Tchaikovsky, Stravinsky, Rimsky-Korsokov; they produce many many great violinists and piano players. Dostoevsky. Tolstoy. Solzhenitsyn. Sholem Aleichem.

Their contributions to science are real and should not be overlooked either.

I mean, those types of comments are the same as what got PLL into hot water. You would think the lesson was learned but apparently not.

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ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:07:30pm

re: #336 Skip Intro

So what happened with the TC in the Senate today?

I think they may have three Repubs against it. Mitch isn’t voting until after Thanksgiving, but they will push hard as soon as they are back. I hope it gets enough attention the heat is on them all and more get wobbly but the three hold on steeled by the public.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:09:17pm

re: #348 scottslemmons

Lomonosov, Lobachevsky, Mendeleev, soil science…

(I’m typing into my phone in Sydney airport, so must be brief.)

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whitebeach  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:10:52pm

re: #348 scottslemmons

I really hope the next (???) Democrat in the White House will make it a priority to turn Russia into a stone-age society. I think it’s pretty safe to say nothing good has ever come from Russian culture. Fence it off forever, knock it down every time they discover the wheel.

I’m not gonna downding you, but WTF?

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:11:17pm

re: #348 scottslemmons

I get being pissed at what they have done but that’s way over the top. Stone age?

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scottslemmons  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:11:46pm

re: #351 sagehen

They do excellent ballet and chess. Tchaikovsky, Stravinsky, Rimsky-Korsokov; they produce many many great violinists and piano players. Dostoevsky. Tolstoy. Solzhenitsyn. Sholem Aleichem.

Doesn’t make them worth saving anymore. Culturally, all they do anymore is sponsor poisonous governments.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:13:14pm

re: #40 Dr Lizardo

But why do they need End Times buckets when they’re all going to be Raptured?

After you’re sucked up to Hay-Venn, you need something to snack on while you wait in line for St. Peter to examine your worthiness to enter Studio JC to party with The Big G!

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sagehen  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:14:13pm

re: #358 scottslemmons

Doesn’t make them worth saving anymore. Culturally, all they do anymore is sponsor poisonous governments.

Their current government is fucked up, no doubt.

But y’know what? So is ours.

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Belafon  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:14:31pm

re: #358 scottslemmons

Doesn’t make them worth saving anymore. Culturally, all they do anymore is sponsor poisonous governments.

So you’re ok with the rest of the world sending us to the stone age because of Republicans?

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:14:49pm

re: #348 scottslemmons

Alex Ovechkin. Evgeni Malkin. Sergei Fedorov. Slava Fetisov. Pavel Datsyuk. Pavel Bure. I could go on…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:15:19pm

re: #362 Ace Rothstein

Alex Ovechkin. Evgeni Malkin. Sergei Fedorov. Slava Fetisov. Pavel Datsyuk. Pavel Bure. I could go on…

Okay but seriously fuck Malkin and the Penguins.

/not that I’m bitter.

;)

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whitebeach  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:16:13pm

re: #358 scottslemmons

Doesn’t make them worth saving anymore. Culturally, all they do anymore is sponsor poisonous governments.

You mean like the one we’ve got right here at home? I’m still not gonna downding you, but I’m gonna tell you you’re coming across as a real asshole. Is there some reason for this?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:16:30pm
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The Major  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:17:58pm

re: #348 scottslemmons

What really needs to happen is that Putin and his Oligarch fellow travelers who looted the country be dealt with swiftly. I actually have come up with a plan to do so - but since I’m a nobody, I guess it’ll just remain a pipe dream….

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whitebeach  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:18:02pm

re: #362 Ace Rothstein

Alex Ovechkin. Evgeni Malkin. Sergei Fedorov. Slava Fetisov. Pavel Datsyuk. Pavel Bure. I could go on…

Hell, Pussy Riot, fer chrissakes.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:18:21pm

re: #363 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Don’t know if you ever saw the documentary “Red Army,” but it’s all about Slava Fetisov and the Russian hockey team’s history and how they made it into the NHL and started the Russian “wave” (Slava being the first). HIGHLY recommended.

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ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:20:06pm

re: #363 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Okay but seriously fuck Malkin and the Penguins.

/not that I’m bitter.

;)

Watching sportspuck right now. NYR vs CBJ.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:20:24pm

In order for this to seem sensible, you have to presume either that men cannot be trusted not to sexually assault women they’re alone with, OR that women cannot be trusted not to lie about men sexually assaulting them.

However, given just how homophobic Pence is, I think men should probably avoid being alone with him.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:20:28pm

re: #368 Ace Rothstein

Don’t know if you ever saw the documentary “Red Army,” but it’s all about Slava Fetisov and the Russian hockey team’s history and how they made it into the NHL and started the Russian “wave” (Slava being the first). HIGHLY recommended.

I will have to check that out.

The Olympics are going to be interesting this year.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:21:18pm

re: #358 scottslemmons

You have made your point and we simply disagree strongly about the value of that culture.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:22:37pm

re: #351 sagehen

They do excellent ballet and chess. Tchaikovsky, Stravinsky, Rimsky-Korsokov; they produce many many great violinists and piano players. Dostoevsky. Tolstoy. Solzhenitsyn. Sholem Aleichem.

And great mathematicians

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:24:07pm

re: #371 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The 30 for 30 “Of Miracles and Men” is about the 1980 USSR hockey team from the Russian’s perspective. Another highly recommended documentary since you like hockey.

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unproven innocence  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:24:28pm

re: #348 scottslemmons

I really hope the next (???) Democrat in the White House [snip]

You’re being an ass. FYI, they helped us win ww2, sustaining many times more casualties than the Allies.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:24:46pm

We have something in common with Russian men and women. Our nations are led by men that appeal to the worst aspects of our respective cultures.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:24:52pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:26:08pm

re: #370 Blind Frog Belly White

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In order for this to seem sensible, you have to presume either that men cannot be trusted not to sexually assault women they’re alone with, OR that women cannot be trusted not to lie about men sexually assaulting them.

However, given just how homophobic Pence is, I think men should probably avoid being alone with him.

Brit Hume is not the only conservative who has made this point. Sounds like they believe that women should not be elevated to any important positions that may require confidential discussions or private meetings.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:26:55pm

re: #377 Backwoods_Sleuth

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hot dogging

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:28:39pm

If it wasn’t for a Russian, we never would’ve had the greatest episode in the history of The Sopranos.

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fern01  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:29:03pm

Every website - left/right/middle is discussing Al Franken - the GOP sure know how to change the conversation when they are under attack

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ObserverArt  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:30:03pm

You know. I’m kinda wondering if we should be worried about Sergey/Nyet?

Heh.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:31:05pm

re: #381 fern01

Every website - left/right/middle is discussing Al Franken - the GOP sure know how to change the conversation when they are under attack

Anything to avoid a discussion of their deplorable tax plan.

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lawhawk  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:31:38pm

re: #377 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dick move.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:32:29pm

re: #384 lawhawk

Dick move.

I see what you did there!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:33:39pm
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Bubblehead II  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:33:58pm

Night Lizards. If you have any extra prayers to spend.

cnn.com

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fern01  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:34:05pm

re: #383 Hecuba’s daughter

Anything to avoid a discussion of their deplorable tax plan.

Nope - all they want to discuss are the sins of democrats - be it Clinton or Franken - while they support a man as President who has stated - on tape - that abusing women is fine - because money and power.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:35:27pm

re: #386 Backwoods_Sleuth

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unproven innocence  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:35:37pm

re: #388 fern01

And fame.

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lawhawk  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:36:32pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:38:38pm

re: #391 lawhawk

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:39:16pm

re: #378 Hecuba’s daughter

Brit Hume is not the only conservative who has made this point. Sounds like they believe that women should not be elevated to any important positions that may require confidential discussions or private meetings.

Right.

I believe Hume probably leans toward believing that woman make false accusations, so men shouldn’t allow themselves to be in situations where they might.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:40:16pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:46:25pm
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m0nkeyb0y  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:48:02pm

re: #391 lawhawk

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If they truly believed this they would ally with devout Muslims whose modesty dictates a Burka. But we know that they don’t mean it, just as supporting Trump puts the lie to their alleged sexual propriety.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:48:36pm

re: #291 jaunte

“A young-earth creationist at the bottom of the Grand Canyon” is a great metaphor for someone who prefers their fantasy to the actual world around them.

There is a Chinese expression like that: like a frog at the bottom of a well (井底之蛙 jingdi zhi wa). It means a person of limited outlook and experience.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 17, 2017 • 5:54:54pm

re: #397 wheat-dogg

There is a Chinese expression like that: like a frog at the bottom of a well (井底之蛙 jingdi zhi wa). It means a person of limited outlook and experience.

That’s great. Half of my co-workers are Chinese. I’ll have to use that at the first appropriate moment.

btw, what do you think would be a good cheap Christmas gift for a co-worker who observes the Chinese custom of giving co-workers inexpensive Christmas gifts. She caught me off-guard with some spicy Chinese crackers last year. I could just wrap up some ritz crackers, but wouldn’t want to get it wrong.


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