It’s Got to Be Funky: VULFPECK, “El Chepe”
Jamming during our NYC shows this past fall 2017.
Jamming during our NYC shows this past fall 2017.
Idea for a cartoon: Reagan and Trump standing on a bridge. Trump is passing a can to Reagan and saying “Hold mah beer” as he pisses off the bridge onto an encampment of downtrodden former middle class folk below. Caption says, “trickle down economics.”
I think finding out how he knew about that is worth digging into - don’t you agree ?
— TheMajor (@TheMajorsViews) November 20, 2017
Time to go!
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re: #4 ObserverArt
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whiddly squeek-a CHIT CHIT CHIT CHIT chit chit CHIT CHIT CHIT
— Korben the Budgie (@korbenisabird) November 20, 2017
Trolling, trolling, trolling….
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Number Two.
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I’ve never seen such a target-rich environment….
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Steps you can take if you think your neighbours are smoking cannabis https://t.co/tvbhyvwmaH pic.twitter.com/OeL9aM6Vld
— Daily Mirror (@DailyMirror) November 17, 2017
fuckin mind your business https://t.co/UUFeXBrjpR
— The Angriest Librarian (@HalpernAlex) November 20, 2017
re: #10 ObserverArt
Number Two.
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re: #13 The Major
I’ve never seen such a target-rich environment….
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re: #13 The Major
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re: #2 Charles Johnson
Yes he can.
I’ve been following his gear reviews for years. Great stuff.
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re: #14 Kragar
— TheMajor (@TheMajorsViews) November 20, 2017
re: #19 ObserverArt
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Trump’s campaign chair in Oklahoma was caught in a child sex trafficking scandal, just weeks after accusing immigrants of doing the same thinghttps://t.co/Tr3RzzwaVX
by @rvawonk pic.twitter.com/ZgFK28ojWk— Shareblue Media (@Shareblue) November 20, 2017
“When you incentivize illegal immigration, you incentivize a lot of bad things,” Shortey told NBC affiliate 4-KFOR. “There’s a trail of death from Honduras to the United States of America, and the families are giving their children and others over to coyotes and to human traffickers.”
Republican businessmen hate competition.
re: #22 The Major
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re: #10 ObserverArt
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re: #24 ObserverArt
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Good show, ObserverArt!
I’m screaming at a wall when I do this, but maybe some intern will see it. This is for my Republican representatives in Washington, D.C., @SenCoryGardner and @RepTipton. Is this what you guys want?!? pic.twitter.com/6NiAxLT2Xa
— Charlie Vogel, aka His Teleness the Charlie Lama (@teleskiguy) November 20, 2017
A whale is not a fish.
— chicagorick38 (@USAARMYVETERAN) November 20, 2017
I’ve broken Twitter. God DAMN it. https://t.co/mQw1PZy6i7
— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) November 20, 2017
Stonekettle has opened up a whale of a hole into an alternate dimension.
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re: #29 teleskiguy
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re: #30 jaunte
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Lewandowski says he has nothing to do with the lobbying firm Turnberry Solutions. It’s located in his house.https://t.co/dbwRm6VPfE
— Citizens for Ethics (@CREWcrew) November 19, 2017
See, technically, it’s not a “home”; it’s a weasel lair. https://t.co/Cj794ShyQf
— John Nichols (@NicholsUprising) November 20, 2017
re: #33 teleskiguy
Charles Manson died.
Why did he have to live longer than my dad (they were born the same year)?
Also, Charlie Manson was one of the boogeymen of my childhood, growing up in California. The Manson Family and the Symbionese Liberation Army.
re: #35 mmmirele
Why did he have to live longer than my dad (they were born the same year)?
Also, Charlie Manson was one of the boogeymen of my childhood, growing up in California. The Manson Family and the Symbionese Liberation Army.
I remember the whole Patty Hearst fiasco. Remember police in Pittsburgh were on alert because she was allegedly spotted near a bank downtown. Then there was a raid in Oberlin Ohio where the SLA allegedly were hiding out. We even had alerts going on at the Pitt Campus…
It’s not very often Whistler gets completely paralyzed because of heavy snow, but today was one of those days pic.twitter.com/LPXw5G5nlq
— Mike Douglas (@MikeDski) November 20, 2017
Meanwhile in Colorado, we’re all skiing on the white ribbon of death.
re: #33 teleskiguy
Charles Manson died.
The Alt-Right and White Nationalists are carrying on Manson’s legacy of “Helter Skelter,” of starting a race war in which whites will come out on top.
Officially our greatest living serial killer pic.twitter.com/xOkWkDNPkw
— Jenny Jaffe (@jennyjaffe) November 20, 2017
Oh no! That evil cult leader hasn’t died after all: Jim Bakker is still very much alive.
On the other hand, Charles Manson did check out so it isn’t a complete bust.
Thanks, accidentally hysterical ad campaign gif making person. I’ll never be able to read Artisanal “normally” again. pic.twitter.com/w2RARGXbRn
— Adam P. Knave (@adampknave) November 17, 2017
Always sweet to see Josh Homme show up on the front page of LGF.
His ‘The Desert Sessions’ project yielded some really odd, beautiful music.
#NowPlaying The Desert Sessions > Making A Cross https://t.co/bUID6uKadD
— Charlie Vogel, aka His Teleness the Charlie Lama (@teleskiguy) October 8, 2017
The Latest: Plans for Manson’s remains “undetermined.” https://t.co/R6Iro0gca9’
— The Associated Press (@AP) November 20, 2017
Leave him in Death Valley for the buzzards.
re: #48 teleskiguy
The Latest: Plans for Manson’s remains “undetermined.”
Leave him in Death Valley for the buzzards.
Burial at sea so his grave does not turn into a cult pilgrimage site…
re: #49 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Bury it on prison grounds. unmarked
re: #51 Dave In Austin
Bury it on prison
groundsin a landfill. unmarked
4Chan /pol/ users are eating onions in an effort to increase their testosterone, and it’s not going well pic.twitter.com/jSX9MD4Oyo
— Will Sommer (@willsommer) November 20, 2017
re: #53 Dave In Austin
Getting out of mom’s basement once in a while might improve their dating chances, if they skip the onion/garlic tonics a few weeks ahead.
re: #54 wheat-dogg
Getting out of mom’s basement once in a while might improve their dating chances, if they skip the onion/garlic tonics a few weeks ahead.
these guys only dating chances involve rape
re: #34 jaunte
Dang. The lying is so strong with everyone connected to this regime. It’s fricking unbelievable.
re: #43 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
Oh no! That evil cult leader hasn’t died after all: Jim Bakker is still very much alive.
On the other hand, Charles Manson did check out so it isn’t a complete bust.
Manson was the better singer of the two.
re: #53 Dave In Austin
Roflmao
Also, yay, Manson died.
Is Vincent Bugliosi still alive? If he is, I wonder if he’ll release a statement.
re: #60 meteor
Roflmao
Also, yay, Manson died.
Is Vincent Bugliosi still alive? If he is, I wonder if he’ll release a statement.
Regrettably, he died in 2015. Vincent Bugliosi
Bugliosi set his sights on some really big mass murder game late in his life.
The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder is a 2008 book by former prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi. It argues that George W. Bush took the United States into the invasion of Iraq under false pretenses and should be tried for murder for the deaths of American soldiers in Iraq.
it’s awake and still a moron:
Marshawn Lynch of the NFL’s Oakland Raiders stands for the Mexican Anthem and sits down to boos for our National Anthem. Great disrespect! Next time NFL should suspend him for remainder of season. Attendance and ratings way down.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 20, 2017
Under President Trump unemployment rate will drop below 4%. Analysts predict economic boom for 2018! @foxandfriends and @Varneyco
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 20, 2017
re: #63 William Lewis
Proof life without parole works.
He can start his second life sentence now (9 altogether, to run consecutively).
The Daily News does some editorializing on the front page.
Fox & Friends host: “So, vote Roy Moore?”
Kellyanne Conway: “I’m telling you that we want the votes in the Senate to get this tax bill through.” pic.twitter.com/27pyaCx3um— David Wright (@DavidWright_CNN) November 20, 2017
WH senior aide making the case for electing Roy Moore without exactly saying so > https://t.co/SWf3XZHgVh
— Alex Burns (@alexburnsNYT) November 20, 2017
@seanhannity - Rule #1, if you don’t know what you’re talking about, shut the fuck up. pic.twitter.com/9jtZCnXVeg
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 20, 2017
Happy Monday everyone. Donald Trump’s turned his attention on a different black man, Marshawn Lynch, this morning, following a Fox&Friends segment.
re: #19 ObserverArt
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re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth
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“We want the votes in the Senate to get this tax bill through.”
Then she slams Al Franken and wonders why he’s still in the Senate.
Nothing to see here folks. No shenanigans at all.
As an aside
We were doing “Roy Moore songs” the other day
This just came to me in a flash and I don’t think I saw it then
The Supremes: “Baby Love”
Back later
25 years. It was built in the 90s, during the Clinton Administration. Its a modern fucking building. Hell, they probably still have 5 years of payments left on the damn mortgage, and they’re blowing it up to build a new one? Someone should ask Georgia taxpayers how long they expect the new stadium to last.
Atlanta’s Georgia Dome is destroyed in a scheduled implosion with 4,300 pounds of TNT, after 25 years of hosting historic sporting events https://t.co/blABUpRRl2 pic.twitter.com/DMjL6RnyTj
— CNN International (@cnni) November 20, 2017
If they were truly historic events the site would be preserved. But stadiums aren’t built to last 100 years anymore. They’re all temporary structures. https://t.co/vHfZ8VeKr5
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 20, 2017
re: #15 Joe Bacon 🌹
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Trump voter panelist: “If Jesus Christ gets down off the cross and told me Trump is with Russia, I would tell him, ‘Hold on a second. I need to check with the President if it’s true.’” pic.twitter.com/4f8bXkXzhY
— New Day (@NewDay) November 20, 2017
This has become parody. https://t.co/tkVTUmsPWs
— Neera Tanden🖖🏼 (@neeratanden) November 20, 2017
re: #13 The Major
I’ve never seen such a target-rich environment….
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re: #53 Dave In Austin
OMFG LOL!
Well, that’ll help them get laid. If the smell ever wears off.
— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) November 20, 2017
re: #48 teleskiguy
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Leave him in Death Valley for the buzzards.
Billy Joel was right when he was talking to Virginia.
re: #74 darthstar
25 years. It was built in the 90s, during the Clinton Administration. Its a modern fucking building. Hell, they probably still have 5 years of payments left on the damn mortgage, and they’re blowing it up to build a new one? Someone should ask Georgia taxpayers how long they expect the new stadium to last.
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They should have named it after Robert E. Lee if they wanted it to be there forever…
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re: #53 Dave In Austin
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What this thread tells me is two things:
1. There are awful lot of gullible fucking idiots at 4Chan (oh wait, I already knew that…)
2. These “alpha males” are realizing they’re not running a goddamn thing and the “solution” is raising their testosterone levels.
You know for someone who insists football ratings are down, Trump sure seems to watch a lot of it or at least get info from someone who does. A president should not be going after a private citizen like this. He’s free to disagree with what Lynch did but using his bully pulpit to call out individual citizens by name is really messed up.
re: #74 darthstar
I remember when Pittsburgh’s Three Rivers Stadium was built in 1971 and they said it would last 50 years.
Gets torn down in the 90s and replaced with two new stadiums…
re: #83 Joe Bacon 🌹
I remember when Pittsburgh’s Three Rivers Stadium was built in 1971 and they said it would last 50 years.
Gets torn down in the 90s and replaced with two new stadiums…
The worst I’ve seen is the Braves and Turner Field. Built on 20 years ago. Braves already want a new stadium.
re: #83 Joe Bacon 🌹
I remember when Pittsburgh’s Three Rivers Stadium was built in 1971 and they said it would last 50 years.
Gets torn down in the 90s and replaced with two new stadiums…
I suspect stadium construction is how a lot of owners pay themselves back for owning the team.
re: #85 HappyWarrior
The worst I’ve seen is the Braves and Turner Field. Built on 20 years ago. Braves already want a new stadium.
Didn’t they just get a new stadium this year?
re: #86 darthstar
I suspect stadium construction is how a lot of owners pay themselves back for owning the team.
And sticking taxpayers with the bill.
After all, Rome must have its gladiators even when they wind up brain damaged…
re: #87 darthstar
Didn’t they just get a new stadium this year?
Was that announced? I don’t watch the NL much.
I love sports but the way teams use taxpayers is awful.
re: #85 HappyWarrior
The worst I’ve seen is the Braves and Turner Field. Built on 20 years ago. Braves already want a new stadium.
They’re going to get rid of The Ballpark in Arlington that was built in 1994.
They were shocked to find out that it gets hot in North Texas in the summer and now want a retractable roof.
I blame W on that one, he was in charge of the Rangers at that point and claimed that baseball was meant to be played outside… dumbass.
re: #91 bill d. (b.d.)
They’re going to get rid of The Ballpark in Arlington that was built in 1994.
They were shocked to find out that it gets hot in North Texas in the summer and now want a retractable roof.I blame W on that one, he was in charge of the Rangers at that point and claimed that baseball was meant to be played outside… dumbass.
Yeah I heard about that too. Gah.
Spanos took the Chargers out of San Diego this year after he didn’t get his new stadium after which he lusted.
Doesn’t bother me one bit that they left. Good riddance I say.
Meet Kermie the baby sloth.. pic.twitter.com/EXXn3brvVP
— Animal Life (@MeetAnimals) November 20, 2017
re: #82 HappyWarrior
You know for someone who insists football ratings are down, Trump sure seems to watch a lot of it or at least get info from someone who does. A president should not be going after a private citizen like this. He’s free to disagree with what Lynch did but using his bully pulpit to call out individual citizens by name is really messed up.
Bolded for how did we get to where this needs to be said out loud
Well the detestable cult leader and murderous Charles Manson is finally dead, dead, dead. latimes.com
Best part of https://t.co/evJjvqB6zW’s reply to Roy Moore’s threat of a lawsuit: pic.twitter.com/DKY9nfgbwc
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 20, 2017
re: #96 dangerman
Bolded for how did we get to where this needs to be said out loud
“Economic anxiety” aka Wingnuttia who don’t like being called out on their shit.
re: #89 HappyWarrior
Was that announced? I don’t watch the NL much.
They were playing in it. Sun Trust Park.
Comment on a NYT article:
SocratesDowntown Verona NJ
Liberals don’t “believe in comprehensive sex education and reliable birth control”; they know it and practice it.
As opposed to biblically-concussed conservatives, who ‘believe’ the Bible is the ‘word of God’, who believe that pre-marital sex is ‘sinful’, who refuse to fully acknowledge the reality of scientific evolution, who finance ‘abstinence’ ignorance and under-finance sex education and public healthcare and equate many forms of birth control with abortion.
What we have is conservative religious cults forming the bedrock of religious Republican states that blindly believe in disproven and discredited theories while remaining scornful and/or allergic to liberal reality.
When one is raised on cultured religious stupidity, one is bound to wind up with dumb family values.
Religion teaches people to believe while flushing thinking and reality down the toilet.
That’s why so many evangelicals and fake-phony-fraudulent “Christians’ believed they saw the holy image of Jesus in a thrice-married, morally bankrupt philander-groper-tax-dodger-and-consumer-fraud-expert-Know-Nothing when he descended from his golden escalator to share his divine Mexican-Muslim-Misogyny wisdom with the religiously Republican uneducated masses.
Fraudulent family and political values are what hold the Republican Confederacy tightly together in a bond of fake fellowship.
“Let us pray” for more cultured stupidity, teenaged births, divorce, guns, minimum wage work, ‘free-dumb’ and Grand Old Poverty.
Nov. 18, 2017 at 5:26 p.m.
President Trump Orders the Execution of Five Turkeys Pardoned by Obama https://t.co/8Kp50GWjM4 via @rhobbusjd
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 20, 2017
re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth
Values Voters 2: Electric Boogaloo.
re: #101 darthstar
They were playing in it. Sun Trust Park.
Ah. Didn’t know that. So TP lasted only nineteen years. Jeesh.
Liz and Phil have been married nearly as long as Trump has been alive.
🎥 Take a look at some of the moments The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh have shared together over the last 70 years. pic.twitter.com/KRozbU5MKm
— The Royal Family (@RoyalFamily) November 20, 2017
Neither sold out to a foreign power, either.
re: #103 darthstar
That site would appear to be a parody site.
From its “about” page:
R. Hobbus J.D. is an internationally acclaimed independent investigative journalist specializing in international politics, health, business, science, conflict resolution, history, geography, mathematics, social issues, feminism, space travel, civil rights, human rights, animal rights, fashion, film, astronomy, classic literature, religion, biology, paranormal activity, the occult, physics, psychology, and creative writing. He has appeared in countless publications including Time Magazine, Newsweek, Playboy, The Economist, The New York Times, Mad Magazine, Hustler, Guns & Ammo, People, Maxim Magazine, Highlights, The 9/11 Commission Report, The New Yorker, Bon Appetite, Rolling Stone, Car & Driver, Soldier of Fortune, Elle, Nintendo Power, National Geographic, and many more. He has received numerous awards for his work including the prestigious Stephen Glass Distinction in Journalistic Integrity (2011), The Oscar Mayer Award for Journalistic Excellence (2003), three Nobel Peace Prize nominations, one Pulitzer in Investigative Reporting (1998), and two Pulitzer Prizes in Commentary (1996, 2008). He resides comfortably in his modest home overlooking the coast of Nantucket surrounded by his wife and twelve cats.
re: #108 darthstar
Ya think?
I went to go look up the lifespan of a turkey. Google gave me the following results for a domesticated turkey:
Sodium: 49 mg (per 100 g)
Lifespan: 10 years
Clutch size: 10 - 14
Tail length: 9.6 - 20 in. (Adult)
Wingspan: 4.1 - 4.7 ft. (Adult)
re: #106 wheat-dogg
Liz and Phil have been married nearly as long as Trump has been alive.
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Neither sold out to a foreign power, either.
Purists may insist that the House of Windsor is a foreign power.
re: #110 freetoken
Purists may insist that the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha
Windsoris a foreign power.
FTFY. :p
re: #102 Amory Blaine
Comment on a NYT article:
SocratesDowntown Verona NJ
Liberals don’t “believe in comprehensive sex education and reliable birth control”; they know it and practice it.As opposed to biblically-concussed conservatives, who ‘believe’ the Bible is the ‘word of God’, who believe that pre-marital sex is ‘sinful’, who refuse to fully acknowledge the reality of scientific evolution, who finance ‘abstinence’ ignorance and under-finance sex education and public healthcare and equate many forms of birth control with abortion.
What we have is conservative religious cults forming the bedrock of religious Republican states that blindly believe in disproven and discredited theories while remaining scornful and/or allergic to liberal reality.
When one is raised on cultured religious stupidity, one is bound to wind up with dumb family values.
Religion teaches people to believe while flushing thinking and reality down the toilet.
That’s why so many evangelicals and fake-phony-fraudulent “Christians’ believed they saw the holy image of Jesus in a thrice-married, morally bankrupt philander-groper-tax-dodger-and-consumer-fraud-expert-Know-Nothing when he descended from his golden escalator to share his divine Mexican-Muslim-Misogyny wisdom with the religiously Republican uneducated masses.
Fraudulent family and political values are what hold the Republican Confederacy tightly together in a bond of fake fellowship.
“Let us pray” for more cultured stupidity, teenaged births, divorce, guns, minimum wage work, ‘free-dumb’ and Grand Old Poverty.
Nov. 18, 2017 at 5:26 p.m.
Belief that..an assertion that something is generally accepted and objectively true
Belief in..faith without need or benefit of proof
Same word
Different meanings
Constantly and annoyingly conflated
re: #111 ObserverArt
We were waiting for you.
I fell asleep in the midst of it last night
Really good work!
re: #110 freetoken
Purists may insist that the House of Windsor is a foreign power.
A fair point. Rebranding the house did not exactly erase the lineage. Watching the Victoria series certainly brings home the anti-German sentiment that was quite acute during her reign. But the Crown’s refusal to side with cousin Wilhelm during WWI earns them some dispensation in my book.
re: #114 dangerman
Belief that..an assertion that something is generally accepted and objectively true
Belief in..faith without need or benefit of proof
Same word
Different meaningsConstantly and annoyingly conflated
Well, that’s your theory, anyway.
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re: #61 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
Ah, thanks.
Charles Manson’s death has even made the news here in the Czech Republic.
In his own horribly twisted way, Manson became an American icon. Seriously…..I could mention “Charles Manson” here, and everyone would know damn well who I was talking about.
“Oh yeah……..the crazy hippie cult leader!” I’ve heard those exact words from Czechs - his infamy was truly international.
Bullet Girl gets pwned in the comments.
“It’s a good thing we don’t live in a Democracy.”
Except that we do, as much as the right wants to turn us into an autocratic state or a theocracy. But thank you for being honest.— Mark Hachman (@markhachman) November 19, 2017
Lefties missed a class in high school. The United States is a republic, not a democracy. You’re familiar with Google, perhaps you should use it before displaying your ignorance to the whole world. #MAGA 🇺🇸 https://t.co/gtOkueHFrg
— Katrina Pierson (@KatrinaPierson) November 19, 2017
re: #123 Dr Lizardo
Charles Manson’s death has even made the news here in the Czech Republic.
In his own horribly twisted way, Manson became an American icon. Seriously…..I could mention “Charles Manson” here, and everyone would know damn well who I was talking about.
“Oh yeah……..the crazy hippie cult leader!” I’ve heard those exact words from Czechs - his infamy was truly international.
Who?
For you Whovians:
After graduating, Derbyshire struggled in what was predominantly a man’s industry, being told by Decca Records that it did not employ women in its studios. She turned to teaching but refused to give up and eventually found work as a trainee studio manager at the BBC.
It was here, in 1962 that she gained access to the experimental Radiophonic Workshop, developing an entirely new type of music by playing notes on tape and then speeding them up or slowing them down.. She went on to transform a written score by Ron Grainer for a new TV series, Doctor Who, into an iconic piece of electronic music.
Due to BBC policies at the time, Grainer - unwillingly - is still officially credited as the sole writer.
Derbyshire stayed at the workshop for 10 years, recording sound for Inventions for Radio and Cyprian Queen - all in the days before modern synthesisers and machines. She was later approached by Paul McCartney to work on a backing track for the Beatles hit Yesterday.
re: #124 wheat-dogg
Bullet Girl gets pwned in the comments.
Yeah the “We’re a Republic not a Democracy!” quip by ‘liberty-loving’ wingnuts is my 158th least favorite thing about modern conservatism.
re: #127 Sir John Barron
Yeah the “We’re a Republic not a Democracy!” quip by ‘liberty-loving’ wingnuts is my 158th least favorite thing about modern conservatism.
Same here. I’m not sure what they hope to prove, other than their own misunderstanding of the terms.
re: #127 Sir John Barron
Yeah the “We’re a Republic not a Democracy!” quip by ‘liberty-loving’ wingnuts is my 158th least favorite thing about modern conservatism.
It’s been around for a while—first encountered it from my supervisor in 1973.
*thud*
Actual quote from ALABAMA PASTOR, on Roy Moore’s accusers: “How these gals came up with this, I don’t know. They must have had some sweet dreams somewhere down the line. Plus, there are some 14-year-olds, who, the way they look, could pass for 20.” https://t.co/mi6eMSfjCn
— Kenneth P. Vogel (@kenvogel) November 20, 2017
The liars were also asking for it? https://t.co/KVGOx6crYe
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) November 20, 2017
re: #128 wheat-dogg
Same here. I’m not sure what they hope to prove, other than their own misunderstanding of the terms.
It’s probably more that ‘Republic’ is included in ‘Republican’ and ‘democracy’ is derivative of ‘Democrat’ in their tiny minds.
re: #43 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
Ironically enough - his son Jay is far more human than the old man is…
During his young adult years Bakker became disillusioned with mainstream Christianity, becoming particularly critical of Christian fundamentalism and the Christian right.[2] He later adopted a much more liberal form of Christianity and became a co-founder of Revolution Church, which was created in 1994 in Phoenix, Arizona.[3] Bakker then preached at Revolution’s Atlanta location before pastoring the New York City branch of Revolution Church, which held services at the bar and venue Pete’s Candy Store, in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn until Bakker relocated to Minneapolis in 2013 and began pastoring another iteration of Revolution Church there. Much of Bakker’s story was retold in a documentary on Sundance Channel called One Punk Under God: The Prodigal Son of Jim and Tammy Faye. His story has also been chronicled in Time Magazine.[4]
re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth
It was a demonic onslaught. Brother Moore didn’t stand a chance.
re: #117 dangerman
I fell asleep in the midst of it last night
Really good work!
Thanks.
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re: #131 makeitstop
It’s probably more that ‘Republic’ is included in ‘Republican’ and ‘democracy’ is derivative of ‘Democrat’ in their tiny minds.
Makes you wonder what they’d make of the Whigs, if they were still around.
re: #132 The Major
New table, same three cards.
re: #83 Joe Bacon 🌹
I remember when Pittsburgh’s Three Rivers Stadium was built in 1971 and they said it would last 50 years.
Gets torn down in the 90s and replaced with two new stadiums…
Los Angeles is the only smart city, part 93.
The Coliseum was built for the 1932 Olympics; it’s still there and still operational.
The Rose Bowl was completed 1923.
Dodger Stadium opened in 1962.
re: #125 Decatur Deb
Who?
You mean who I heard it from? My students; a lot of them are very knowledgeable about American culture, and during the Communist era, Manson was played up as the poster boy for “decadent, decaying American culture” (I learned that one today from one of my older students….he’s 62).
So people here certainly knew who he was, though oddly, they weren’t 100% familiar with his whole “Helter Skelter” schtick…..they mostly knew he was a crazy cult leader from the ’60s.
What’s really weird? Not many Czechs are all that familiar with Jim Jones and Peoples Temple, which is peculiar as hell, because if there was anyone that personified “wacked-out cult leader” yeah, it was Jones. I’ll ask a couple of my students tomorrow; they’re both in their late fifties so they should remember something like that pretty well.
re: #4 ObserverArt
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re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth
*thud*
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From the same crowd that preaches that Muslims are “barbaric” because of child marriage and snicker that Muslim men can’t control themselves around women.
re: #129 Decatur Deb
It’s been around for a while—first encountered it from my supervisor in 1973.
Oh, yeah. It’s an oldie.
But I fondly remember the Tea Party screaming that public opinion polls (i.e. democracy) meant a Democratic congress should not pass Obamacare (representative republicanism). Of course they did and we’ve been paying for it ever since, in a way, but that’s another story.
re: #129 Decatur Deb
It’s been around for a while—first encountered it from my supervisor in 1973.
IIRC, that line was used by the Birchers in the past. I remember seeing a really faded-out bumper sticker that said that back in the mid-1970’s. It was on a neighbor’s car and he was a big-time Bircher.
re: #143 Dr Lizardo
IIRC, that line was used by the Birchers in the past. I remember seeing a really faded-out bumper sticker that said that back in the mid-1970’s. It was on a neighbor’s car and he was a big-time Bircher.
Yeah—JBS sounds about right.
re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth
*thud*
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Forgive me, but what religion do the Christians in Alabama practice again???
re: #145 ObserverArt
Forgive me, but what religion do the Christians in Alabama practice again???
SEC. Their major feast is this week.
re: #128 wheat-dogg
Same here. I’m not sure what they hope to prove, other than their own misunderstanding of the terms.
Yeah, I mean, I know we’re not a nation-wide town hall meeting ‘democracy’, if that’s what some wingnuts imply.
And even though a ‘republic’ implies ‘voting’, the “republic not a democracy” line probably has something to do with the desire to restrict voting.
re: #145 ObserverArt
Forgive me, but what religion do the Christians in Alabama practice again???
Talibangelicalism?
Trump’s Emancipation Proclamation:
“You’re free. I don’t hear a ‘Thank you, Master Trump.’”— Jake West (@lordjakewest) November 19, 2017
re: #137 sagehen
Los Angeles is the only smart city, part 93.
The Coliseum was built for the 1932 Olympics; it’s still there and still operational.
The Rose Bowl was completed 1923.
Dodger Stadium opened in 1962.
Kinda the same with Ohio Stadium on Ohio State campus. They kept the original stadium and updated it by building an outer shell around it that allowed them to go higher to add more seats and enclose the open end with a huge set of seats. Kinda cool to go inside and see the old stadium walls. It made way more room for concessions, etc.
The ‘Shoe’ got bigger for more feets…and butts.
The 7 yr old is visiting for the week. Wife and I find we cannot shout political headlines across the living room.
re: #147 Sir John Barron
Yeah, I mean, I know we’re not a nation-wide town hall meeting ‘democracy’, if that’s what some wingnuts imply.
And even though a ‘republic’ implies ‘voting’, the “republic not a democracy” line probably has something to do with the desire to restrict voting.
As has been noted, it’s a Bircher thing from long ago, and they got it from some loony who wrote his own books about history and politics.
re: #147 Sir John Barron
Yeah, I mean, I know we’re not a nation-wide town hall meeting ‘democracy’, if that’s what some wingnuts imply.
And even though a ‘republic’ implies ‘voting’, the “republic not a democracy” line probably has something to do with the desire to restrict voting.
Being a “republic” and not a “democracy” probably has some anti-equality, anti-Civil Rights connotations. And anti-‘democracy’ as anti-leveling notions of progressive taxation, remedying income inequality.
re: #152 wheat-dogg
As has been noted, it’s a Bircher thing from long ago, and they got it from some loony who wrote his own books about history and politics.
Glenn Beck’s boy, Clausen?
re: #152 wheat-dogg
As has been noted, it’s a Bircher thing from long ago, and they got it from some loony who wrote his own books about history and politics.
Right. Probably came in handy as anti-Civil Rights rejoinder.
re: #140 plansbandc
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What???
There are no links in my #4.
WTF are you accusing me of???
re: #156 Sir John Barron
Right. Probably came in handy as anti-Civil Rights rejoinder.
Or anti-abolitionist rejoinder
Trump voter panelist: “If Jesus Christ gets down off the cross and told me Trump is with Russia, I would tell him, ‘Hold on a second. I need to check with the President if it’s true.’” pic.twitter.com/4f8bXkXzhY
— New Day (@NewDay) November 20, 2017
When people have literally supplanted their own religion for Trump worship. This is literally a cult. #Cult45 #ThisIsNotNormal https://t.co/kcBs2z2qvY
— Citizen K Sez “Ban Nazis!” (@Citizen_Kryptik) November 20, 2017
I’ve reached that time of the evening when things really pick up here at LGF, but my body clock demands I go to sleep. So, reluctantly I must bid you all adieu.
re: #149 Interesting Times
I wonder if the N*clangs will thank me for liberating them? Some people are saying my proclamation doesn’t mean anything in the border slates and that my proclamation is meaningless. Maybe I shouldn’t have done it. No praise. Your favorite president deserves better.
re: #159 Citizen K
I’m going with the Oliver Willis explanation: somebody paid that guy to say those things. Diamond & Silk redux.
re: #158 wheat-dogg
Or anti-abolitionist rejoinder
Not sure when emphasis on democracy became a progressive cornerstone, possibly as late as TR—Wilson era. Certainly peaked as a war propaganda ideal under FDR in WWII.
re: #124 wheat-dogg
Ooopsie - turns out you are wrong: the definition of republic includes to word democracy in it! pic.twitter.com/rpQcT07nyt
— TheMajor (@TheMajorsViews) November 20, 2017
re: #157 ObserverArt
What???
There are no links in my #4.
WTF are you accusing me of???
I’m waiting!!!
I don’t post links to malware. Please explain yourself. I’d like to know what happened because the image in #4 is stored here at LGF.
re: #161 Sir John Barron
I wonder if the N*clangs will thank me for liberating them? Some people are saying my proclamation doesn’t mean anything in the border slates and that my proclamation is meaningless. Maybe I shouldn’t have done it. No praise. Your favorite president deserves better.
Kneel before Zod!!
I saw a reference from 1922, a work by Edward Nelson Dingley, “America A Republic, Not A Democracy”. It looks like an opinion article or something.
That seems to be an early mention, or perhaps the genesis of the idea.
re: #157 ObserverArt
I pressed your private comment button and landed on that page. Pissed me off. WTF?
Sorry, not totally awake. Surely not your fault. But yeah, that is what happened.
re: #168 plansbandc
I pressed your private comment button and landed on that page. Pissed me off. WTF?
I hit the same button with no issues.
Every dictionary will have it’s own definitions, but, if you use dictionary.reference.com, here’s the definition of a Republic:
a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.
And here’s the definition of a Democracy:
government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
Considering I just voted on amendments to our state constitution, I feel like I’m in a democracy here in Texas more than a republic.
Big-game trophy decision will be announced next week but will be very hard pressed to change my mind that this horror show in any way helps conservation of Elephants or any other animal.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 19, 2017
Has anyone deciphered what this actually means?
Can we bring in English translators? https://t.co/C4aihpNlsp— Amy Siskind (@Amy_Siskind) November 20, 2017
re: #167 Dr Lizardo
To add, I noticed in the 1922 article this paragraph:
A part of the program of “modern democracy” is a proposal to enter some sort of a society or association of nations “to maintain peace.” It is said that the United States has outgrown its nationality, and that its destiny is in a new democracy of the world. Is this the democracy we desire? Must we surrender our national spirit and lay it on the altar of “new freedom” or “modern democracy?” Have the struggles and sacrifices of our forefathers been in vain? Is the destiny of the United States to be determined by a society of nations?
which certainly strikes me as an argument against any manner of American participation in the League of Nations. I know the USA didn’t join the LoN as of 1919 (it wasn’t ratified) but maybe there was some debate about that in the early 1920’s.
re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Odd, to me that seems like one of his more lucid statements. I know, that isn’t saying much.
re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth
“I’m trying to claim credit for something Obama did by pretending he didn’t.”
re: #134 ObserverArt
(Going to the heart of crazy)
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re: #175 Kilroy was here
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re: #103 darthstar
What is desperately sad is how many people read that and thought it was REAL NEWS (Now or any time). (sigh)
We are so fucked.— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) November 20, 2017
re: #176 Belafon
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re: #168 plansbandc
I pressed your private comment button and landed on that page. Pissed me off. WTF?
Sorry, not totally awake. Surely not your fault. But yeah, that is what happened.
re: #169 makeitstop
I hit the same button with no issues.
Like I said I had no links in #4. If you got sent to another page by clicking on the private button that seems like you have some viruses hijacking your computer. Plus the private button is coded by Charles.
You can apologize for accusing me right off the bat before knowing what is going on. You jumped the gun on that.
re: #170 Belafon
Every dictionary will have it’s own definitions, but, if you use dictionary.reference.com, here’s the definition of a Republic:
And here’s the definition of a Democracy:
Considering I just voted on amendments to our state constitution, I feel like I’m in a democracy here in Texas more than a republic.
It’s Katrina “I don’t have a damn clue” Pierson.
You know what is frustrating? That dingbat probably makes decent money for being a complete idiot and others like me struggle to find work and be honest and give a good service.
Fucking Trumpers. They are a disease.
re: #146 Decatur Deb
SEC. Their major feast is this week.
The good news is that the two most recent polls show Moore at only 42% of likely voters and Jones with a lead above the margin of error, so there are a sliver of “values voters” whose values actually prevent them from voting for a child molester, even if he does hate gays, muslims and women.
realclearpolitics.com
re: #181 Big Beautiful Door
The good news is that the two most recent polls show Moore at only 42% of likely voters and Jones with a lead above the margin of error, so there are a sliver of “values voters” whose values actually prevent them from voting for a child molester, even if he does hate gays, muslims and women.
realclearpolitics.com
Can polls in Alabama be trusted?
This may be like the election when people may have cheated the polls by not admitting they were really voting for Trump.
re: #182 ObserverArt
Can polls in Alabama be trusted?
This may be like the election when people may have cheated the polls by not admitting they were really voting for Trump.
The polling last year was actually pretty accurate; Hillary did beat Trump in the popular vote by a couple of percentage points. The polls likely didn’t capture some votes she lost thanks to Comey’s last minute October surprise. Moore can’t be saved by an electoral college, unlike Trump. If Moore loses the popular vote, he loses the election.
Well to add to your Monday…
Woman says Franken inappropriately touched her in 2010
State Fair addition..
cnn.com
re: #182 ObserverArt
Can polls in Alabama be trusted?
This may be like the election when people may have cheated the polls by not admitting they were really voting for Trump.
The Gravis poll is pretty well-regarded (Nate Silver B-). Quick polling of a small state population is always going to be tricky. Best to simply ignore them and do what must be done. Our chances are certainly better than ever expected.
re: #134 ObserverArt
Did you see my littlegreenfootballs.com above?
re: #145 ObserverArt
Forgive me, but what religion do the Christians in Alabama practice again???
Republicanism.
re: #134 ObserverArt
Thanks.
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re: #157 ObserverArt
What???
There are no links in my #4.
WTF are you accusing me of???
I was confused by that, too.
Looks like there is a second groping accusation against Al Franken.
Edit: looks like I was few posts late on this.
re: #187 MsJ
Did you see my littlegreenfootballs.com above?
Yes. I understand. I am only doing the images.
I really do not want either a Twitter or Facebook account.
I was hoping the LGF members run with them.
Yeah, I know that may not make sense, but I have my personal reasons.
And Glenn Thrush has just been suspended by the NYT
Exclusive: NYT White House correspondent Glenn Thrush’s history of bad judgment around young women journalists https://t.co/qXh5rYGoKT
— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) November 20, 2017
re: #192 Big Beautiful Door
Just as I expected; more women are coming forward. This is not going to end well.
And Pence smiles knowingly to ‘Mommy’.
re: #196 (Bert the Turtle)
I guess that is her surprised I’m having my butt grabbed, while my husband takes the picture, face.
re: #193 ObserverArt
Yes. I understand. I am only doing the images.
I really do not want either a Twitter or Facebook account.
I was hoping the LGF members run with them.
Yeah, I know that may not make sense, but I have my personal reasons.
Oh, I don’t have any issues with anyone not using social media. It’s just the HOW I wanted to try to get across to everyone.
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re: #198 Kilroy was here
I guess that is her surprised I’m having my butt grabbed face while my husband takes the picture.
Well she posted the pic to facebook at the time and she and her sister had an exchange that is apparently still visible:
Menz posted the photo with Franken on Facebook at the time, on August 27, 2010. Her sister, Cari Thunker, commented under the photo: “Sorry, but you two aren’t Bibles (sic) width apart” — a reference, Thunker explained to CNN, to how physically close Menz and Franken were in the photo.
Menz responded to her sister on Facebook: “Dude — Al Franken TOTALLY molested me! Creeper!” (The exchange is visible to Menz’s Facebook friends.)
So It is hard to say she is just making it up now.
re: #198 Kilroy was here
Word is she was so sickened by the experience she posted that pic on Facebook. Dunno for sure.
I stand by my position as stated the other day: We must take these matters seriously, but we must avoid an overreaction to them.
Does this latest allegation warrant investigation? Yes.
Should Franken apologize for it? Yes.
Should he resign? No.
Sources: Former Ohio State, #NFL wide receiver dies in car accident: https://t.co/xwLgHj56D1 pic.twitter.com/7aFBVLX2XF
— Local 12/WKRC-TV (@Local12) November 20, 2017
Also hearing that Glenn’s fiancée, to whom he recently got engaged, was also in the car. She is in critical condition, I’m told.
— Mike Leslie (@MikeLeslieWFAA) November 20, 2017
Trump has already pardoned a turkey — Joe Arpaio
— Will Bunch (@Will_Bunch) November 20, 2017
I really don’t want to sound like I’m making too many excuses for this, but my theory is that Franken took so many pictures in that pose that day that that’s what he thought she wanted. As for the butt grab, he inadvertently grabbed her there pulling her close, probably because she’s taller than a lot of women. (I’ve had to apologize when I’ve misjudged someone’s height a few times.)
Edit: I’ve also had to apologize when I turn around and someone’s in a place I wasn’t expecting.
It is looking like 2018 is going to be the year for women to make some big changes in male and female sexual dynamics. A good thing.
Some will be damaged properly and some improperly. It will get ugly and there will be kickbacks and counter-claims. But it is long needed.
I hope it is all fair and above board, but with the current state of politics it will be a war as the parties fight each other using women.
However, watch the fucker in the White get away while others get crushed.
Meet Cindy: a single mom, making $30,000 per year, who hopes to one day get beyond living paycheck to paycheck. With a $700 increase in her tax refund each year under our tax bill, Cindy can start saving for her future. pic.twitter.com/teujxL5HZ2
— Paul Ryan (@SpeakerRyan) November 17, 2017
That’s not even $2 a day. She can barely buy a cup of coffee with that. https://t.co/42CxVMufde
— Taegan Goddard (@politicalwire) November 20, 2017
re: #208 The Vicious Babushka
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What I love about all these claims by Republicans about how much money common folk will “get back” or “save” is that they present it as though there will be a single lump sum paid. When the reality is that you’ll see a few bucks more in each paycheck that won’t do much of anything to pull you out of poverty. And only for 5 years, after which you’ll be paying more in taxes while your boss soaks up the permanent cuts.
Star New York Times reporter Glenn Thrush is accused of predatory behavior by four women, including a Vox editor https://t.co/8iiY4a2uts
— Vox (@voxdotcom) November 20, 2017
So Glenn Thrush is now being accused of harassment too.
It’s going to be a whole lot easier to keep score by who DIDN’T harass or abuse women than pointing out those who did.
re: #203 Targetpractice
I stand by my position as stated the other day: We must take these matters seriously, but we must avoid an overreaction to them.
Does this latest allegation warrant investigation? Yes.
Should Franken apologize for it? Yes.
Should he resign? No.
At what number of allegations should he resign at? Because odds are he will hit that number sooner or later.
Kellyanne Conway just said that Doug Jones would be weak on crime…hahaha!
Doug Jones served as the United States Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama, and known for prosecuting the remaining two Ku Klux Klan perpetrators of the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing.— Brasilmagic (@Brasilmagic) November 20, 2017
re: #85 HappyWarrior
Turner Field wasn’t torn down though. They updated and cleaned up and it has a new name. I’m seeing Foo Fighters there in April. The Braves have a new stadium complex north of Atlanta now. The dome is being imploded for parking for the new stadium right next door, that’s for the Falcons. Time will tell if it’s worth the money I guess.
re: #203 Targetpractice
This happened while he was a Senator. Unacceptable. Period.
re: #213 Big Beautiful Door
At what number of allegations should he resign at? Because odds are he will hit that number sooner or later.
Then new accusation is that he put his hand on her butt for 4 seconds while taking a picture. We don’t even know whether he did it intentionally or not.
re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Caught Tom Brady’s first NFL touchdown pass.
re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth
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re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth
He also prosecuted Eric Rudolph too I believe.
re: #215 A Mom Anon
Turner Field wasn’t torn down though. They updated and cleaned up and it has a new name. I’m seeing Foo Fighters there in April. The Braves have a new stadium complex north of Atlanta now. The dome is being imploded for parking for the new stadium right next door, that’s for the Falcons. Time will tell if it’s worth the money I guess.
Oh. Good they didn’t tear it down. Foo Fighters? Awesome! I’m jealous. Grohl is the man.
re: #206 Belafon
I really don’t want to sound like I’m making too many excuses for this, but my theory is that Franken took so many pictures in that pose that day that that’s what he thought she wanted. As for the butt grab, he inadvertently grabbed her there pulling her close, probably because she’s taller than a lot of women. (I’ve had to apologize when I’ve misjudged someone’s height a few times.)
Edit: I’ve also had to apologize when I turn around and someone’s in a place I wasn’t expecting.
until we arrive at some sort of utopia, we have to sort the behavior of (mostly) men being asses into “felonies”, “misdemeanors”, “infractions” and misunderstandings.
Justice is served neither by zero tolerance (indiscriminately lumping every encounter into the harassment/molestation basket) nor by dismissively turning a blind eye
re: #213 Big Beautiful Door
At what number of allegations should he resign at? Because odds are he will hit that number sooner or later.
re: #216 GlutenFreeJesus
This happened while he was a Senator. Unacceptable. Period.
So he should immediately resign and any Democrat who is accused of the same as well? Where does it end?
re: #217 Weaselone
Then new accusation is that he put his hand on her butt for 4 seconds while taking a picture. We don’t even know whether he did it intentionally or not.
Please. I’m telling you, I like Franken’s politics too, but this is not going to end well.
re: #213 Big Beautiful Door
Why is that expected? Has there been a second accusation? By this time, with Moore or others had several. There has not 🐝 - to my knowledge - any 2nd complaints against Franken or Takei.
re: #224 Big Beautiful Door
Please. I’m telling you, I like Franken’s politics too, but this is not going to end well.
For him? Or the party?
re: #208 The Vicious Babushka
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re: #223 Targetpractice
So he should immediately resign and any Democrat who is accused of the same as well? Where does it end?
It ends when men recognize that women aren’t things to use.
re: #224 Big Beautiful Door
Please. I’m telling you, I like Franken’s politics too, but this is not going to end well.
You know what won’t end well, Democratic Senators resigning every time they get accused by a person of touching their butts.
re: #228 Big Beautiful Door
It ends when men recognize that women aren’t things to use.
So the inquisition ends when it’s decided there are no more heretics to burn?
re: #225 William Lewis
Why is that expected? Has there been a second accusation? By this time, with Moore or others had several. There has not 🐝 - to my knowledge - any 2nd complaints against Franken or Takei.
Yes there has been a second allegation. Its linked above.
OT, but one of my students is a TV star!
It’s all in Czech. What she’s talking about is how bad posture, in standing, walking, sitting, sleeping, can lead to difficulties later on in life. Also, when people overdo it during exercise; she then goes on to talk about how physiotherapy can help people in those situations.
She’s a physiotherapist.
Thrush has been suspended by the Times as investigation continues:
Glenn Thrush suspended amid sexual harassment complaints https://t.co/cjwdkUZ3pF
— Justin Miller (@justinjm1) November 20, 2017
re: #232 Dr Lizardo
OT, but one of my students is a TV star!
It’s all in Czech. What she’s talking about is how bad posture, in standing, walking, sitting, sleeping, can lead to difficulties later on in life. Also, when people overdo it during exercise; she then goes on to talk about how physiotherapy can help people in those situations.
She’s a physiotherapist.
that’s fantastic
and i didnt agree with a word of it ;-)
re: #226 Targetpractice
For him? Or the party?
Mostly for him. It’s not good for the party but he is not the first nor the last politician who will go down for this, in either party. I do think its important for maintaining the energy from women that is driving the Democratic surge that Democrats show them they are not a good ole boys club like the Republicans.
re: #236 Big Beautiful Door
Mostly for him. It’s not good for the party but he is not the first nor the last politician who will go down for this, in either party. I do think its important for maintaining the energy from women that is driving the Democratic surge that Democrats show them they are not a good ole boys club like the Republicans.
And so the proper way to do that is to drive out any man that an allegation has been made against? You see nothing wrong with that approach?
re: #234 dangerman
that’s fantastic
and i didnt agree with a word of it ;-)
“I CAN’T BELIEVE SHE SAID THAT!!!”
What the hell did she say?!
re: #229 Weaselone
You know what won’t end well, Democratic Senators resigning every time they get accused by a person of touching their butts.
And if that is all it takes to get ride of a Democratic US Senator expect claims to grow by wingnuts lying for Jesus.
Next we will be hearing he looked at me funny or bumped into me, I mean molested me, in the .7 seconds as we passed.
re: #229 Weaselone
You know what won’t end well, Democratic Senators resigning every time they get accused by a person of touching their butts.
Don’t forget Franken is also accused of groping breasts ( know he only mimed it but the photo is still degrading, as he acknowledged) and forcing a kiss. And expect more allegations; if he’s grabbing strange women’s butts at the State Fair there are going to be more.
re: #230 Targetpractice
So the inquisition ends when it’s decided there are no more heretics to burn?
Democrats need to be the party that recognizes that there is a huge sexual harassment problem in this country and is committed to doing something about it. Let the GOP be the party that belittles women as a bunch of liars who don’t have a sense of humor and dress too provocatively.
re: #239 Kilroy was here
And if that is all it takes to get ride of a Democratic US Senator expect claims to grow by wingnuts lying for Jesus.
Next we will be hearing he looked at me funny or bumped into me, I mean molested me, in the .7 seconds as we passed.
And that’s before any discussion of even some sort of due process
zero tolerance never works and often makes the problem worse.
Death of religious figure Charles Manson leaves U.S. “hipsters” leaderless. pic.twitter.com/nmwVUGRy3R
— DPRK News Service (@DPRK_News) November 20, 2017
re: #215 A Mom Anon
Turner Field wasn’t torn down though. They updated and cleaned up and it has a new name. I’m seeing Foo Fighters there in April. The Braves have a new stadium complex north of Atlanta now. The dome is being imploded for parking for the new stadium right next door, that’s for the Falcons. Time will tell if it’s worth the money I guess.
Turner Field no longer exists.
Your Foo Fighters concert will be Parker H. Petit Field at Georgia State Stadium. The home of the Georgia State Panthers football team
It just happens to be at the same location as Centennial Olympic Stadium & Turner Field.
GSU bought the stadium and surrounding area
re: #241 Big Beautiful Door
Democrats need to be the party that recognizes that there is a huge sexual harassment problem in this country and is committed to doing something about it. Let the GOP be the party that belittles women as a bunch of liars who don’t have a sense of humor and dress too provocatively.
Then perhaps we should just nip this problem in the bud immediately and order every male Democrat to resign from office. We’ll show ourselves superior to the GOP by barring men from the party entirely so that we can’t face accusations of being a “Good Ol’ Boys Club.”
re: #243 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
Looking at that photo, I never realized Manson was so short - looks like he’s only about five feet tall, maybe 5’1” or so.
re: #241 Big Beautiful Door
Democrats need to be the party that recognizes that there is a huge sexual harassment problem in this country and is committed to doing something about it. Let the GOP be the party that belittles women as a bunch of liars who don’t have a sense of humor and dress too provocatively.
So let me get this straight. If I were to go out and say that Elizabeth Warren had her hand tightly resting on my buttcheek during a 3-4 second photo she should immediately resign and let our governor appoint a replacement for the rest of her term?
re: #237 Targetpractice
And so the proper way to do that is to drive out any man that an allegation has been made against? You see nothing wrong with that approach?
Which is not what I’m proposing. We have two credible allegations of sexual harassment against Franken. There is photographic proof. The second woman made contemporaneous statements about the incident when it occurred seven years ago; she hasn’t made it up. I would like Franken to voluntarily resign; I’m not proposing he be expelled yet. But there is going to be an investigation, and I strongly suspect there are going to be more accusations, because there usually are.
re: #247 Weaselone
So let me get this straight. If I were to go out and say that Elizabeth Warren had her hand tightly resting on my buttcheek during a 3-4 second photo she should immediately resign and let our governor appoint a replacement for the rest of her term?
If it is that easy get me a doll and I’ll point to where Ted Cruz touched me.
re: #248 Big Beautiful Door
Which is not what I’m proposing. We have two credible allegations of sexual harassment against Franken. There is photographic proof. The second woman made contemporaneous statements about the incident when it occurred seven years ago; she hasn’t made it up. I would like Franken to voluntarily resign; I’m not proposing he be expelled yet. But there is going to be an investigation, and I strongly suspect there are going to be more accusations, because there usually are.
So he should voluntarily resign before there has even been an investigation. And the same should apply to any male Democrat for whom a “credible” accusation can be made against.
re: #245 Targetpractice
Then perhaps we should just nip this problem in the bud immediately and order every male Democrat to resign from office. We’ll show ourselves superior to the GOP by barring men from the party entirely so that we can’t face accusations of being a “Good Ol’ Boys Club.”
Strawman much?
re: #244 FormerDirtDart
You’re right, for some reason I got the two confused. It is GA State’s venue. Haven’t been downtown for much since we moved north of the city many moons ago.
re: #251 Big Beautiful Door
Strawman much?
I’m take your argument to its logical conclusion. So long as there are male Democrats, there will be the risk of their being accused of engaging in sexual harassment. So, for the good of the party’s future, we must drive all those men out so the party’s face is female. At least until those same women are accused of having known about the harassment and allowed it to go on, at which point you start demanding their heads as well.
re: #247 Weaselone
So let me get this straight. If I were to go out and say that Elizabeth Warren had her hand tightly resting on my buttcheek during a 3-4 second photo she should immediately resign and let our governor appoint a replacement for the rest of her term?
Is that the second allegation against Warren? Is there photographic evidence like in Franken’s case? Did you make contemporaneous statements to others at the time which shows you didn’t just make this up?
re: #239 Kilroy was here
And if that is all it takes to get ride of a Democratic US Senator expect claims to grow by wingnuts lying for Jesus.
Next we will be hearing he looked at me funny or bumped into me, I mean molested me, in the .7 seconds as we passed.
Check out aggressive unwelcome staring. It’s time both men and women go into burka.
At my farewell ceremony at US Forces, Korea I was given a surprise kiss on the cheek by my Colonel. Should I have filed a complaint and derailed her progress towards General?
re: #254 Big Beautiful Door
Is that the second allegation against Warren? Is there photographic evidence like in Franken’s case? Did you make contemporaneous statements to others at the time which shows you didn’t just make this up?
Photographic evidence that he didn’t touch her? That evidence?
Charles Manson is dead, just after the season finale of American Horror Story Cult. I wonder how the lead in this seasons series would have handled it?
These are the things I think of on Monday morning.
you?
Are we going to parse every single one of these encounters to see whether they rise to the level of harassment or misogynist behavior?
Okay, let’s do it - but start at the top.
Trump admits to being a sex predator who gropes women for the hell of it because he thinks he can get away with it. 16 women came forward and the GOP elected him president.
If the GOP want to run Franken out of the Senate, they better first get the GOP house in order and dump Trump. Oh wait, the GOP doesn’t care about garden variety sex predators, and they’re defending Moore’s right to be elected to the US Senate by Alabama GOPers who are excusing an alleged sex predator and pedophile.
We aren’t going to get any leadership from the GOP on this. They’ll attack Democrats while excusing GOP actions that are FAR worse. Then they hope the Democrats frag each other so the GOP can keep on doing what they’ve been doing and accumulate even more power.
It’s going to be up to Democrats to do the right thing. I’m just waiting to see what the hell the right thing is here.
The right thing politically is a world apart from right by the women who are coming forward. The right thing to do today is a world apart from what was considered right even a few years ago, let alone 20+ years ago. Doesn’t make the claims/allegations against people today for past bad acts go away either.
It’s just there is no easy answer. Democrats understand this and this is hard to process.
The GOP has an easy answer - Democrats have to dump Franken, and we have to ignore Moore being a sex predator who attacks little girls. That’s messaging the GOP base understands.
re: #250 Targetpractice
So he should voluntarily resign before there has even been an investigation. And the same should apply to any male Democrat for whom a “credible” accusation can be made against.
You put that “credible” in quotation marks like you think the photograph Franken has already apologized for was photoshopped, and the second woman has a time machine which allowed her to go back seven years and tell a bunch of people Franken grabbed her butt when he really didn’t. The allegations against Franken aren’t “credible”, one is credible and the other is proven and admitted.
Puritopian leftists are more deadly to America than the Grand Old Fascists.
re: #241 Big Beautiful Door
Democrats need to be the party that recognizes that there is a huge sexual harassment problem in this country and is committed to doing something about it. Let the GOP be the party that belittles women as a bunch of liars who don’t have a sense of humor and dress too provocatively.
whether thats what the party needs to be, that’s a separate point of debate.
what imo it doesnt need to do is take the responsibility for everything that everyone else has done. ie laying a moore level punishment on franken, and prematurely at that.
let the gop be what it wants
id like to be the party of justice for all. a little investigation, a little determination of factuality and truth, then an appropriate response.
re: #246 Dr Lizardo
Looking at that photo, I never realized Manson was so short - looks like he’s only about five feet tall, maybe 5’1” or so.
Despite the existence of thousands of photos and numerous prison records dating back to the 1940s, Manson’s defenders in deranged conspiracy world claim that Manson is considerably taller than the 5’2” reported and this is just another effort to smear him. There is one page that proclaims his innocence and demands a new trial for him. I guess the author will have to move on to chemtrails and faked Moon landings now.
re: #253 Targetpractice
I’m take your argument to its logical conclusion. So long as there are male Democrats, there will be the risk of their being accused of engaging in sexual harassment. So, for the good of the party’s future, we must drive all those men out so the party’s face is female. At least until those same women are accused of having known about the harassment and allowed it to go on, at which point you start demanding their heads as well.
Same stupid tactic rightwingers use all the time. So I’ll use it on you; I’ll take your argument to its logical conclusion that there is absolutely no reason for Alabama Republicans not to vote for Roy Moore.
re: #260 William Lewis
Puritopian leftists are more deadly to America than the Grand Old Fascists.
No, they’re not, because unlike the Grand Old Fascists they have no power.
re: #259 Big Beautiful Door
You put that “credible” in quotation marks like you think the photograph Franken has already apologized for was photoshopped, and the second woman has a time machine which allowed her to go back seven years and tell a bunch of people Franken grabbed her butt when he really didn’t. The allegations against Franken aren’t “credible”, one is credible and the other is proven and admitted.
I put those quotation marks there because there will be more male Democrats who are accused and the standard in the last few months has been set: Any woman who comes forward must be accepted as credible, thus the accused have no way to defend themselves. If a single woman comes forward, a man’s career is immediately ruined and he cannot do anything but resign.
re: #252 A Mom Anon
You’re right, for some reason I got the two confused. It is GA State’s venue. Haven’t been downtown for much since we moved north of the city many moons ago.
Well, it’s easy to confuse since it’s the exact same field
lol
They converted it to a football field earlier this year, and slapped on a new name.
GSU also plans on building a baseball field in the former footprint of the old Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium. Which is currently the parking lot. They plan to incorporate the fence & wall commemorating Hank Aaron’s 715th home run that sits in the parking lot
re: #264 Skip Intro
No, they’re not, because unlike the Grand Old Fascists they have no power.
They do if they force out senators without appropriate investigations.
re: #254 Big Beautiful Door
Is that the second allegation against Warren? Is there photographic evidence like in Franken’s case? Did you make contemporaneous statements to others at the time which shows you didn’t just make this up?
The photographic evidence of Franken doesn’t show him touching anyone. There’s actually more contact in the most recent accusation We also do not as yet know the full context of the picture.
I’m sure I could find a second person to accuse Warren of touching them, or if not I could get in contact with Jame’s O’Keefe and and he could get someone out here to take a picture with her and claim harassment.
I’ve been trained to believe the woman—as an advocate.
It is hard for me to say this, but the Franken accusation video from the journalist seems too theatrical for me to take seriously. I’d have to hear from more “victims”. My personal viewpoint doesn’t mean jack. He admitted to doing it, therefore he must resign or show good faith attempt to reform —counselling, rehab, whatever. Grabbing and Kissing, although totally inappropriate, is not rape.
A journalist and a senator seem, to me, to be rather evenly matched in power,
Roy Moore and teenage girls? Not so much.
I look for a disparity in power in these situations.
In other words, grabbing and kissing are more of a misdemeanor and dating underage girls more like a felony.
JMHO
re: #267 William Lewis
They do if they force out senators without appropriate investigations.
What investigation are you referring to? Do you mean the GOP/Fox/Limbaugh witch hunt, because that’s what it’s going to be.
re: #263 Big Beautiful Door
Same stupid tactic rightwingers use all the time. So I’ll use it on you; I’ll take your argument to its logical conclusion that there is absolutely no reason for Alabama Republicans not to vote for Roy Moore.
My argument is there should be an investigation and, if the accusations found to be credible, the matter handled in an even-handed fashion. One-size-fits-all justice never works because not every man is Roy Moore.
re: #256 Kilroy was here
Photographic evidence that he didn’t touch her? That evidence?
A photograph that he has already acknowledged was demeaning and hurtful and apologized for, yes. Guess what, there are more ways to harass women than just groping them, and making them into the butt of crude jokes is unacceptable. My God, let a sexual harasser turn out to be an admirable progressive, and all of a sudden people on our side start sounding just like Alabama Republicans. We can’t be on the defensive on sexual harassment issues; we need to be the party that treats it as a serious problem, and that believes women when they make credible accusations, not just when they make politically convenient credible accusations.
re: #262 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
Despite the existence of thousands of photos and numerous prison records dating back to the 1940s, Manson’s defenders in deranged conspiracy world claim that Manson is considerably taller than the 5’2” reported and this is just another effort to smear him. There is one page that proclaims his innocence and demands a new trial for him. I guess the author will have to move on to chemtrails and faked Moon landings now.
LOL some people are crazy.
re: #272 Big Beautiful Door
A photograph that he has already acknowledged was demeaning and hurtful and apologized for, yes. Guess what, there are more ways to harass women than just groping them, and making them into the butt of crude jokes is unacceptable. My God, let a sexual harasser turn out to be an admirable progressive, and all of a sudden people on our side start sounding just like Alabama Republicans. We can’t be on the defensive on sexual harassment issues; we need to be the party that treats it as a serious problem, and hat believes women when they make credible accusations, not just when they make politically convenient credible accusations.
So every act is the same? Touching a woman, even if accidentally, is to be treated as morally equivalent to rape?
re: #246 Dr Lizardo
Looking at that photo, I never realized Manson was so short - looks like he’s only about five feet tall, maybe 5’1” or so.
I guess height matters …
re: #236 Big Beautiful Door
Mostly for him. It’s not good for the party but he is not the first nor the last politician who will go down for this, in either party. I do think its important for maintaining the energy from women that is driving the Democratic surge that Democrats show them they are not a good ole boys club like the Republicans.
Just to be clear. A lot of those women voted for Trump. It is proven.
So, they accepted ALL the allegations against him.
And yes I know, things have changed since last election. And guys like Franken will probably pay for it.
And Trump will remain in office with an easy majority for some time for them to ram shit through we all pay for.
This fucking sucks.
And did you not mention you are a lawyer? Are you a defense lawyer by any chance? If so, how would you suggest your client handle it at this point? Would you fight it or tell him to give it up and resign…which in a way is an admittance? Just curious.
If nothing else, this shows that sexual crimes or innapropriate behavior cross all boundries.
re: #264 Skip Intro
No, they’re not, because unlike the Grand Old Fascists they have no power.
They have the demonstrated power to cripple or destroy a valuable US Senator.
re: #268 Weaselone
The photographic evidence of Franken doesn’t show him touching anyone. There’s actually more contact in the most recent accusation We also do not as yet know the full context of the picture.
I’m sure I could find a second person to accuse Warren of touching them, or if not I could get in contact with Jame’s O’Keefe and and he could get someone out here to take a picture with her and claim harassment.
Or call Roger Stone—he got kicked off Twitter again, so he has time on his hands and I’m sure he has lots of friends waiting in the wings.
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Just got a BBC News Alert; Trump’s saying the US will officially (re)designate North Korea as a state sponsor of terrorism, which will trigger new sanctions.
re: #274 Targetpractice
So every act is the same? Touching a woman, even if accidentally, is to be treated as morally equivalent to rape?
This is where I start to get disgusted with humanity.
We will never agree on morality. What we can agree on is the LAW.
DID ANY of these people break the law? If so, on what level —felony?
Unfortunately, humans don’t vote or many decisions based on intellect (law), they make decisions based on emotion (morals).
JMHO
AND, as long as a Predator is in the Oval Office, I think the populace has stated its opinion on crimes against women.
the USA is not a country that is female friendly.
re: #265 Targetpractice
I put those quotation marks there because there will be more male Democrats who are accused and the standard in the last few months has been set: Any woman who comes forward must be accepted as credible, thus the accused have no way to defend themselves. If a single woman comes forward, a man’s career is immediately ruined and he cannot do anything but resign.
You are strawmanning my argument. My position is that Franken ought to resign, but if he chooses not to, that there be an investigation in which he gets due process and appropriate punishment. I strongly suspect the credible allegations against Franken aren’t going to stop at two; they rarely do.
America is a business and a percentage of white women agree—sex crimes are secondary to profit.
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re: #271 Targetpractice
My argument is there should be an investigation and, if the accusations found to be credible, the matter handled in an even-handed fashion. One-size-fits-all justice never works because not every man is Roy Moore.
+ a bunch
re: #267 William Lewis
They do if they force out senators without appropriate investigations.
No-one is going to force Franken out without an appropriate investigation; no-one has been expelled from the Senate since the Civil War. I think he ought to resign.
re: #281 Birth Control Works
This is where I start to get disgusted with humanity.
We will never agree on morality. What we can agree on is the LAW.
DID ANY of these people break the law? If so, on what level —felony?
Unfortunately, humans don’t vote or many decisions based on intellect (law), they make decisions based on emotion (morals).
JMHO
That is something that I’ve felt for the longest time separated Republicans and Democrats, the for arguing “morality” as they interpret it while the latter argues the law as it has been interpreted by the courts. The former is ever-changing and easy to twist to reach whatever conclusion you like, while the latter generally has a solid basis with the argument largely being in the details. In the law intent matters just as much as the act itself, as it can mean the difference between murder and manslaughter. And that is what I’m not seeing in the accusations made against Franken, an intent to violate either of these women. The first seems like a tasteless joke that went too far, the second could very well be (as noted above) a misjudgment about the woman’s height.
re: #213 Big Beautiful Door
At what number of allegations should he resign at? Because odds are he will hit that number sooner or later.
He should resign after the Senate ethics investigation IF and only IF the results of same warrant resignation. He deserves due process and we flippin’ need sunlight to air this out, whatever the results of same.
re: #281 Birth Control Works
This is where I start to get disgusted with humanity.
We will never agree on morality. What we can agree on is the LAW.
DID ANY of these people break the law? If so, on what level —felony?
Unfortunately, humans don’t vote or many decisions based on intellect (law), they make decisions based on emotion (morals).
JMHO
Intent in many cases matters. The most recent allegation against Franken is an example. There’s a big difference between him intentionally grabbing her butt or him doing it by accident because he misjudged her height or the position of his hand for a 3-4 second photo.
re: #289 Big Beautiful Door
No-one is going to force Franken out without an appropriate investigation; no-one has been expelled from the Senate since the Civil War. I think he ought to resign.
Personally, I think everyone of them should have to take the 60 hours of classes I had to take to become a Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault Advocate.
There are a lot of opinions out there and very few people know the law or the science behind the law.
This isn’t a matter of morality, it’s a matter of Public Health.
There is more PTSD and TBI in this country from Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault than from war and football.
re: #266 FormerDirtDart
I had forgot about the land purchases and all that stuff in that area. There’s been so much construction and demolition in this part of the state (including literally next door to my house), all that stuff begins blending together.
re: #289 Big Beautiful Door
No-one is going to force Franken out without an appropriate investigation; no-one has been expelled from the Senate since the Civil War. I think he ought to resign.
You really don’t see the contradiction here?
re: #285 FormerDirtDart
None of this is new. Or news.
Everyone around Trump has called Trump a moron (or a fucking moron) or much worse.
He’s still in the WH despite the inability to process facts or logic, because his supporters believe what he says, not the facts or logic or evidence. They’re in the same anti-factual bubble that Trump resides in.
The GOP keeps enabling Trump - and that’s the story.
They keep enabling Trump despite Trump admitting to being a sex predator and harasser.
They keep enabling Trump despite being compromised on Russia and surrounding himself with all kinds of criminality (Seth Abramson identified something like 20 different tracks that Mueller, FBI and Congress have to investigate, each of which is major on their own right).
They keep rubber stamping Trump’s judicial picks, making for a judiciary that is pushing a radical right wing agenda whose long term agenda is rolling back decades of civil and voting rights progress.
re: #292 Weaselone
Intent in many cases matters. The most recent allegation against Franken is an example. There’s a big difference between him intentionally grabbing her butt or him doing it by accident because he misjudged her height or the position of his hand for a 3-4 second photo.
I guess butt grabbing is a subjective crime. I wouldn’t call for someone to lose their job if they grabbed my butt. I’d want an apology and proof they attended counselling or sensitivity training.
re: #283 Big Beautiful Door
You are strawmanning my argument. My position is that Franken ought to resign, but if he chooses not to, that there be an investigation in which he gets due process and appropriate punishment. I strongly suspect the credible allegations against Franken aren’t going to stop at two; they rarely do.
You’re contradicting yourself, as you say there should be an investigation but you also believe he should take action before that happens. Is he guilty unless proven innocent?
re: #283 Big Beautiful Door
You are strawmanning my argument. My position is that Franken ought to resign, but if he chooses not to, that there be an investigation in which he gets due process and appropriate punishment. I strongly suspect the credible allegations against Franken aren’t going to stop at two; they rarely do.
Serious question: why should Franken resign before the investigation even begins? The investigation he has already requested?
Are we at the point where trial by public opinion is now a fact?
I ask this as a woman who has been subjected sexual abuse, assault, harassment and even rape. So I personally know why women ( and men!) do not come forward with accusations. OTOH, I also believe in justice, and that includes justice for the accused as well.
re: #167 Dr Lizardo
I saw a reference from 1922, a work by Edward Nelson Dingley, “America A Republic, Not A Democracy”. It looks like an opinion article or something.
That seems to be an early mention, or perhaps the genesis of the idea.
Googling Edward Nelson Dingley, “America A Republic, Not A Democracy” gets you a very convoluted explanation of how it’s all the fault of immigrants after the French Revolution. Or, something.
The French Revolution and immigration to the United States marked the beginning of the modern idea of democracy in America. Jefferson’s party was called the “democratic party” in derision, for alleged sympathy with the French revolutionists. From that day to the present, America has been the scene of political and social controversies between factions, the one clinging to the form of representative government, the other seeking political power under the cloak of democracy. The great issue evolved into a struggle between national rights and state rights. This clash continued until the close of the Civil War, which should have settled the question finally whether America is a Republic or a democracy; but it did not.
The essay is truly a piece of work. If I were a betting man, I would say that the writer is of the opinion that the republic was meant to be a few men in the upper class wielding power to dispense laws that the untermench should be happy to have in their republic of and for the few and the rich.
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re: #301 Colère Tueur de Lapin
Googling Edward Nelson Dingley, “America A Republic, Not A Democracy” gets you a very convoluted explanation of how it’s all the fault of immigrants after the French Revolution. Or, something.
The essay is truly a piece of work. If I were a betting man, I would say that the writer is of the opinion that the republic was meant to be a few men in the upper class wielding power to dispense laws that the untermench should be happy to have in their republic of and for the few and the rich.
Yes, I call that Jeffersonian America. Jefferson thought freedom meant that Patricians could serve in the Senate and then retire to their farms and watch the slaves work. He was Very Roman that way.
re: #269 Birth Control Works
I’ve been trained to believe the woman—as an advocate.
It is hard for me to say this, but the Franken accusation video from the journalist seems too theatrical for me to take seriously. I’d have to hear from more “victims”. My personal viewpoint doesn’t mean jack. He admitted to doing it, therefore he must resign or show good faith attempt to reform —counselling, rehab, whatever. Grabbing and Kissing, although totally inappropriate, is not rape.
A journalist and a senator seem, to me, to be rather evenly matched in power,
Roy Moore and teenage girls? Not so much.
I look for a disparity in power in these situations.
In other words, grabbing and kissing are more of a misdemeanor and dating underage girls more like a felony.
JMHO
Too bad this is not about the actual court system.*
This is politics and it has never been fair in the court of public opinion.
And fairness will lose out to those that will protect at all costs because there is no system of fairness to be found when one side will do just about anything to get, keep and maintain control. And if you look at the media as sort of the jury…well, we know the chances that fairness can be found there.
*Though as Trump runs rampant on the courts it might not ever be the same.
re: #301 Colère Tueur de Lapin
I think that’s pretty much exactly what Dingely was getting at; I’ve seen similar sentiments expressed over in Freeperville - that only land-owners (and preferably, white male land-owners) should be allowed to vote.
re: #304 ObserverArt
I just finished The 100. If anyone here was watched it, jump right in.
It depicts a dystopian future that is just as you described. Survival at all cost. Instead of cooperation and survival for the most, individuals consistently chose to serve their own interests and myths and fewer people survive.
Perhaps it is survival of the fittest —to breed, not the fittest to thrive.
re: #292 Weaselone
Intent in many cases matters. The most recent allegation against Franken is an example. There’s a big difference between him intentionally grabbing her butt or him doing it by accident because he misjudged her height or the position of his hand for a 3-4 second photo.
I am not calling for a resignation or anything, but in my experience you don’t accidentally grab a woman’s butt for 4 seconds. In instances where I accidentally touch a woman somewhere inappropriately my hand comes back like I have been snake bit and an immediate apology is given.
re: #289 Big Beautiful Door
No-one is going to force Franken out without an appropriate investigation; no-one has been expelled from the Senate since the Civil War. I think he ought to resign.
Resignation under fire=Forced out.
re: #305 Dr Lizardo
I think that’s pretty much exactly what Dingely was getting at; I’ve seen similar sentiments expressed over in Freeperville - that only land-owners (and preferably, white male land-owners) should be allowed to vote.
i met a guy who thought foreigners shouldnt be allowed to own property (in the us) unless they became citizens or dual citizens
i think he was implying “undocumented” people who buy houses, just cant get mortgages and also unclear about “property” vs “real property”.
he said they “ought to contribute”
i said - anyone owns real property they pay real estate taxes
and whether real or other investment property - any capital at all - wouldnt we be better off with foreigners owning stuff and not being able to vote?
he said “they ought to contribute”
i decided not to have the conversation again
Hang on, where can we look, if anywhere, to see what one alleged butt grab and or unwanted kiss is supposed to be a career ender, especially in the face of no credible calls for Trump to resign for bragging about far worse?
re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth
Serious question: why should Franken resign before the investigation even beings? The investigation he has already requested?
Are we at the point where trial by public opinion is now a fact?I ask this as a woman who has been subjected sexual abuse, assault, harassment and even rape. So I personally know why women ( and men!) do not come forward with accusations. OTOH, I also believe in justice, and that includes justice for the accused as well.
The GOP is counting on it.
re: #310 Unshaken Defiance
Hang on, where can we look, if anywhere, to see what one alleged butt grab and or unwanted kiss is supposed to be a career ender, especially in the face of no credible calls for Trump to resign for bragging about far worse?
exactly.
re: #281 Birth Control Works
This is where I start to get disgusted with humanity.
We will never agree on morality. What we can agree on is the LAW.
DID ANY of these people break the law? If so, on what level —felony?
Unfortunately, humans don’t vote or many decisions based on intellect (law), they make decisions based on emotion (morals).
JMHO
Have you been paying attention to how the law is administered in this country? We can’t agree on that either.
I think some people of color, orientation and even political persuasion will say law too has becomes based on emotion and applications that are at best arbitrary.
re: #313 ObserverArt
Have you been paying attention to how the law is administered in this country? We can’t agree on that either.
I think some people of color, orientation and even political persuasion will say law too has becomes based on emotion and applications that are at best arbitrary.
Yes, you are correct.
Why isn’t human trafficking a capital crime in a country that nearly tore itself in two over slavery?
Murder, rape and human trafficking need to be federal crimes —even then they won’t be adjudicated evenly.
re: #307 danarchy
I am not calling for a resignation or anything, but in my experience you don’t accidentally grab a woman’s butt for 4 seconds. In instances where I accidentally touch a woman somewhere inappropriately my hand comes back like I have been snake bit and an immediate apology is given.
This is a good point, although it’s not impossible that he was unaware of where his hand was at the time. I think that it would be a good idea for Al to attend sensitivity training in this area. He shouldn’t announce it, but allow it to leak.
Edit: I also want to add the the time frame is sort of subjective. The accuser said it was 3-4 seconds. I’m assuming she’s right, but given she had a hand on her posterior, her perception of time might be a little off. I know mine is when I’m in an uncomfortable situation.
re: #310 Unshaken Defiance
Hang on, where can we look, if anywhere, to see what one alleged butt grab and or unwanted kiss is supposed to be a career ender, especially in the face of no credible calls for Trump to resign for bragging about far worse?
lets also keep in mind circumstances and perspective
moore is in an electoral race. fair game to say dont vote for him because. fair game to target his supporters to change their minds withhold support, donations, etc.
franken is a senator. there are rules (such as they are). menendez is in an actual criminal trial. he’s still got his seat (so far)
re: #317 dangerman
lets also keep in mind circumstances and perspective
moore is in an electoral race. fair game to say dont vote for him because. fair game to target his supporters to change their minds withhold support, donations, etc.
franken is a senator. there are rules (such as they are). menendez is in an actual criminal trial. he’s still got his seat (so far)
True. And far too subtle.
re: #313 ObserverArt
Have you been paying attention to how the law is administered in this country? We can’t agree on that either.
I think some people of color, orientation and even political persuasion will say law too has becomes based on emotion and applications that are at best arbitrary.
that’s why i keep saying the d, left, liberal goal/motto/position should be “liberty and justice for all”
it’s simple and clear and it parses well
liberty means freedom to mostly do what you want and be left alone
justice means fairness and proportional equity in all things
for all means everyone’s included - we all put in and we all get out (it’s justice that addresses “not the same amount”)
any spin or twisted interpretation to exclude or gain unfair advantage is downright unamerican - it’s the pledge of allegiance
re: #299 Targetpractice
You’re contradicting yourself, as you say there should be an investigation but you also believe he should take action before that happens. Is he guilty unless proven innocent?
He has been consistent in saying Franken should resign for the betterment of the Party and the stance they take on women’s issues.
That would follow that Democrats get the benefits of that political stance at a later date.
My problem: that sounds fine in concept, but the chances of it being a plus are going to be real hard to find.
Why? Because this will all be forgotten in a year because there is a good chance the party that is not so inclined to be honest and do the right thing will have another outrage they will blow up and use dishonestly.
In simpler terms. Same shit. Different day.
And I think it would be a grave error in judgment to treat women voters as a monolithic bloc that sees the only possible choice when a man is accused of sexual harassment is the (metaphorical) death penalty. There are ways to show we treat such matters as serious without assuming that women voters will be unsatisfied if Franken is allowed to keep his seat.
re: #317 dangerman
Menendez should be gone, but he won’t be because the standard to prove corruption and bribery is so high you basically need a video of the politician having money shoved in his pockets while actively signing the legislation and declaring he’s signing it because of the money being shoved into his pockets. Hopefully, he’ll be primaried out the next time he’s up.
re: #271 Targetpractice
My argument is there should be an investigation and, if the accusations found to be credible, the matter handled in an even-handed fashion. One-size-fits-all justice never works because not every man is Roy Moore.
My point exactly; not every case is the same. So my saying that under these circumstances Franken should resign doesn’t mean that every Democrat accused of something by anyone should have to resign. It doesn’t even mean Franken has to resign; I just think he should.
re: #317 dangerman
lets also keep in mind circumstances and perspective
moore is in an electoral race. fair game to say dont vote for him because. fair game to target his supporters to change their minds withhold support, donations, etc.
franken is a senator. there are rules (such as they are). menendez is in an actual criminal trial. he’s still got his seat (so far)
WRT the vote sure, but a component of the question at hand is resignation. Where exactly is that bar supposed to be set? Senate rules are not about accusations, but the merit of the charges.
re: #324 Big Beautiful Door
My point exactly; not every case is the same. So my saying that under these circumstances Franken should resign doesn’t mean that every Democrat accused of something by anyone should have to resign. It doesn’t even mean Franken has to resign; I just think he should.
And yet you’re making an argument that Franken should resign to show women voters that we don’t abide by the same behavior that the GOP is showing with Roy Moore, even those the seriousness of allegations made do not match. That is what says that any allegations made against a male Democrat will lead to demands for their resignation.
re: #274 Targetpractice
So every act is the same? Touching a woman, even if accidentally, is to be treated as morally equivalent to rape?
Another strawman. Saying that I think Franken should resign doesn’t mean I think what he did is the same thing as rape.
re: #316 Weaselone
This is a good point, although it’s not impossible that he was unaware of where his hand was at the time. I think that it would be a good idea for Al to attend sensitivity training in this area. He shouldn’t announce it, but allow it to leak.
Edit: I also want to add the the time frame is sort of subjective. The accuser said it was 3-4 seconds. I’m assuming she’s right, but given she had a hand on her posterior, her perception of time might be a little off. I know mine is when I’m in an uncomfortable situation.
Four seconds is a lot longer than the exposure time of a camera taking that image. Which really means his hand was on her butt in the photo.
WIth that in mind, the next part of the actual evidence is the photo. That is where it should be judged as far as in agreement with her story. Is it?
I’ll just say it. Too soon for Franken to resign. This not imo an environment where the gesture would help, I strongly suspect the opposite.
re: #328 ObserverArt
Four seconds is a lot longer than the exposure time of a camera taking that image. Which really means his hand was on her butt in the photo.
WIth that in mind, the next part of the actual evidence is the photo. That is where it should be judged as far as in agreement with her story. Is it?
The photo is sort of just upper torso. No indication of what is going on below waist level.
re: #323 Weaselone
Menendez should be gone, but he won’t be because the standard to prove corruption and bribery is so high you basically need a video of the politician having money shoved in his pockets while actively signing the legislation and declaring he’s signing it because of the money being shoved into his pockets. Hopefully, he’ll be primaried out the next time he’s up.
i dont disagree
i was alluding to the senate rules
it’s hard(er) to boot a guy who “wins” his corruption case
re: #321 dangerman
truth often is
its a character flaw
It is a human flaw.
And we “have the brains” to reason and shit.
Yeah.
re: #276 ObserverArt
Just to be clear. A lot of those women voted for Trump. It is proven.
So, they accepted ALL the allegations against him.
And yes I know, things have changed since last election. And guys like Franken will probably pay for it.
And Trump will remain in office with an easy majority for some time for them to ram shit through we all pay for.
This fucking sucks.
And did you not mention you are a lawyer? Are you a defense lawyer by any chance? If so, how would you suggest your client handle it at this point? Would you fight it or tell him to give it up and resign…which in a way is an admittance? Just curious.
Whether he should resign or fight isn’t advise an attorney gives; he has to make that decision for himself. If I was his attorney, I’d want him to tell me how many more women may accuse him, and what they may accuse him of, so I could prepare his case for not getting expelled from the Senate.
re: #327 Big Beautiful Door
Another strawman. Saying that I think Franken should resign doesn’t mean I think what he did is the same thing as rape.
So then why compare his situation to that of Roy Moore? Is it to say that the GOP will allow molestation and preying on young women, but a Democrat is expected to resign if he so much as brushes up against a woman in a way that makes her feel uncomfortable?
1) Did you admit to being a sex predator who grabbed women without their permission?
Yes? Then you deserve to be ejected from elected office.
2) Are there allegations against you of grabbing women without their permission? Are there more than one woman alleging? Are there 5? 10? 50? Why did it take 50? or 10? for them to be credible? Those facing these allegations should keep them from getting elected in the first place (and deserve investigations - the outcome of which can and should include removal from office if the circumstances warrant).
3) Are the allegations including attacks against underage girls? Those facing these allegations should keep them from getting elected in the first place (and deserve investigations - the outcome of which can and should include removal from office if the circumstances warrant).
4) Did you grope, or appear to grope a woman in a single instance? Did you grope several women? Investigate and if confirmed, consider other means of punishment besides removal from office. Censure, fines, etc. Civil penalties/settlements.
Trump is in the first category. Weinstein and Trump are in the second (Trump being elected despite 16 credible women coming forward with tales of abuse that mirror Trump’s admissions that he’s a sex predator who thought he could get away with it).
Moore’s in the 3d category. Franken falls in the fourth category, though he could jump up to join (2) if the facts and circumstances dictate.
The thing is that the GOP doesn’t care about any of this - they only want their enemies out of the way and want to preserve their own power as much as possible even as they enable compromised and criminal actors.
Here, I’ll make this simple:
Franken should resign when Cheeto Benito does, and not a moment sooner.
re: #335 lawhawk
What are the chances that the Franken issue is being discussed in the media for any reason other than to get Roy Moore into the US Senate?
re: #326 Targetpractice
And yet you’re making an argument that Franken should resign to show women voters that we don’t abide by the same behavior that the GOP is showing with Roy Moore, even those the seriousness of allegations made do not match. That is what says that any allegations made against a male Democrat will lead to demands for their resignation.
And there are women out there, with sons or sons-in-law, and wives with husbands that have been accused of sexual harassment and been cleared (if that sounds a bit specific, it applies to my brother-in-law, who’s a sergeant in the Air Force). Going too far in the other direction can be a turn off as well.
re: #296 William Lewis
You really don’t see the contradiction here?
I’m expressing my opinion that he ought to resign; whether he does or not is entirely up to him. There is no contradiction. Even if I think he should resign that doesn’t even mean that based on the current accusations I would support his expulsion.
I gotta say this Franken mess is absolutely disheartening for many a reasons. Franken was a good voice for the Democratic party but those days are over. Whether you like it or not, he has lost all credibility when it comes to treatment of women. Sure he may have stood for the right causes but words don’t mean much when your past actions say otherwise. But the most disheartening part has been the reaction from a lot people on the left. I see many on this site saying things such as, “I don’t want it to seem like I am making excuses, but…” and then comes the excuses or trying to explain how it’s not quite as bad as other people’s actions. Give me a break people. He forced a kiss on a one woman and grabbed the ass of another. I know some of you seem to be having a hard time believing the women but is it simply because you like Franken? I liked him too. But women deserve the benefit of doubt so I absolutely believe them. If the democratic party wants to lead this movement that the women have started then they can not have a leader of their party being someone who has harassed women. If he doesn’t want to resign, which I think is warranted, then the investigation needs to happen as soon as possible and if the allegations indeed pan out then he needs to be kicked out.
re: #330 danarchy
The photo is sort of just upper torso. No indication of what is going on below waist level.
There are other indications.
This is the point where there is a good chance of huge disagreements. I am thinking like what if this was some kind of an actual trial looking for evidence and discussing it. But I am doing that for myself.
For a discussion board in a charged subject, it might be best to sidestep it and just ask people to judge for themselves as there will be big differences in the judgements of the contents of two humans in a photo one with his hand allegedly on the others butt…while the photo is taken.
And it is now warm enough here in Columbus I can finish some caulking and even a bit of painting. Later. Hopefully with more Republican Tax Reform Images.
re: #248 Big Beautiful Door
Which is not what I’m proposing. We have two credible allegations of sexual harassment against Franken. There is photographic proof. The second woman made contemporaneous statements about the incident when it occurred seven years ago; she hasn’t made it up. I would like Franken to voluntarily resign; I’m not proposing he be expelled yet. But there is going to be an investigation, and I strongly suspect there are going to be more accusations, because there usually are.
And we should let the ethics investigation take its course. It can be amazing what comes out once the questions start being asked and more info of the incidents are presented.
It sounds like Franken would be a great target for a Washington Post investigation.
re: #299 Targetpractice
You’re contradicting yourself, as you say there should be an investigation but you also believe he should take action before that happens. Is he guilty unless proven innocent?
You are strawmanning again. Resignation isn’t proof of guilt. Sometimes its just the approriate thing to do. And Franken has already admitted guilt about the photo, and the second accusation is extremely credible.
re: #335 lawhawk
Oh and about that marital assault and rape his ex endured and swore to under oath in a deposition.
re: #337 Decatur Deb
What are the chances that the Franken issue is being discussed in the media for any reason other than to get Roy Moore into the US Senate?
To muddy waters to obfuscate the claims against Moore as being no different than what Franken did. I rate that as 100% certainty.
Reality is that Moore has been accused of doing so much worse - sexually abusing a minor, allegedly being banned from local malls because of his creepy behavior, contemporaneous witnesses admitting they knew Moore creeped on high school girls and went out of his way to go visit places where high school girls went - targeting the most vulnerable.
GOP wants to frame all that as being somehow equivalent to Franken’s actions.
They aren’t in the same ballpark, but the GOP has the media doing their heavy lifting for them.
re: #337 Decatur Deb
What are the chances that the Franken issue is being discussed in the media for any reason other than to get Roy Moore into the US Senate?
What are the chances that this picture was held back until the RW radio station she worked for decided this was when it would be the most effective (i.e. taking the heat off of Moore)?
100%
re: #325 Unshaken Defiance
WRT the vote sure, but a component of the question at hand is resignation. Where exactly is that bar supposed to be set? Senate rules are not about accusations, but the merit of the charges.
hey, i dont have all the answers ;-)
im just contrasting the two situations in hopes of raising questions
here’s a few:
if franken were in a private business should he resign his job or lose it?
are there others in the senate who have harassed women we havent heard about yet (- i’ll say yes)
since we know that’s mostly a fact why arent they all being investigated to find out who?
do you get away with it just because no one accuses you?
re: #344 Big Beautiful Door
You are strawmanning again. Resignation isn’t proof of guilt. Sometimes its just the approriate thing to do. And Franken has already admitted guilt about the photo, and the second accusation is extremely credible.
Guilt of what? Inappropriate behavior? Or criminal behavior?
re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth
Serious question: why should Franken resign before the investigation even begins? The investigation he has already requested?
Are we at the point where trial by public opinion is now a fact?I ask this as a woman who has been subjected sexual abuse, assault, harassment and even rape. So I personally know why women ( and men!) do not come forward with accusations. OTOH, I also believe in justice, and that includes justice for the accused as well.
I’m sorry to hear that; I hope you have had some measure of healing, and preferably redress. Voluntary resignation from a public office isn’t like conviction of a crime. Sometimes its just the appropriate thing to do for Party and Country. And Franken has already admitted that the photograph was grossly inappropriate and demeaning not only to the victim but all women, so I’m not saying he should fall on his sword for something which hasn’t even been proven.
re: #348 dangerman
I guess my point is we don’t have a standard to go by. Or more to the point we have a panoply of standards, mostly illogical and temporary. Party, popularity, perceived power of importance, celebrity. At some point we need weight of evidence instead. Then we need a gradient of appropriate punishments. A path back from those mistakes such as unwanted kisses or a butt grab.
re: #352 Big Beautiful Door
What you are saying is we will be so pure we will willingly commit suicide.
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If I believed for even a moment that Franken resigning would have a positive outcome, particularly setting a precedent that both sides would heed, I might be supportive of the push for his resignation. But I don’t see anything positive coming from it, what I see instead is a precedent that will be set that Democrats will run any man who faces accusations of sexual misconduct out on a rail, while the GOP will continue supporting and electing sexual predators because they don’t give a flying fuck about anything but obtaining and maintaining power.
The midterm elections are not next week, they’re not even a month away, there’s nearly a year away. In a year’s time, there’s a shitload that the GOP can do to fuck this country over permanently while we conduct an inquisition of every man serving in the DNC.
re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth
The solution for this is simple.
Keanu goes full John Wick on these fuckers.
Yeah, he’s back. And if anyone tries to mess with him? He’ll kill them ALL.
re: #356 Targetpractice
If I believed for even a moment that Franken resigning would have a positive outcome, particularly setting a precedent that both sides would heed, I might be supportive of the push for his resignation. But I don’t see anything positive coming from it, what I see instead is a precedent that will be set that Democrats will run any man who faces accusations of sexual misconduct out on a rail, while the GOP will continue supporting and electing sexual predators because they don’t give a flying fuck about anything but obtaining and maintaining power.
THIS ^^^
Franken resigning now would set the absolute worst double-standard imaginable, where Dems have to pay the highest political price immediately while GOPers get off (pun intended) scot-free.
re: #332 ObserverArt
truth often is
its a character flawIt is a human flaw.
And we “have the brains” to reason and shit.
Yeah.
i meant my character - attempted humor
i should have stopped after “backwoods sloth” upthread
re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth
What’s the accusation? I can’t facebook or see twitter images at work.
re: #337 Decatur Deb
What are the chances that the Franken issue is being discussed in the media for any reason other than to get Roy Moore into the US Senate?
My fear from the first moment we heard the allegations. But then the judging was fast and the bus was a backin’…
You know what else I thought of in one of my more cynical moments?
Leeann Tweeden has a refreshed memory (like Corey Lewandowski) and says she may have been wrong on the whole thing. She misremember at first because she couldn’t recall. But now…all is forgiven…nevermind.
I will never deny we are in the midst of some super-dirty politics. It’s been going on at a good clip since the 2000 elections.
re: #361 ObserverArt
My fear from the first moment we heard the allegations. But then the judging was fast and the bus was a backin’…
You know what else I thought of in one of my more cynical moments?
Leeann Tweeden has a refreshed memory (like Corey Lewandowski) and says she may have been wrong on the whole thing. She misremember at first because she couldn’t recall. But now…all is forgiven…nevermind.
I will never deny we are in the midst of some super-dirty politics. It’s been going on at a good clip since the 2000 elections.
Do you have a link on that with Tweeden?
re: #360 Belafon
What’s the accusation? I can’t facebook or see twitter images at work.
“Keenu Reeves: Hollywood Elites Use ‘Blood Of Babies’ To Get High”
re: #310 Unshaken Defiance
Hang on, where can we look, if anywhere, to see what one alleged butt grab and or unwanted kiss is supposed to be a career ender, especially in the face of no credible calls for Trump to resign for bragging about far worse?
This is exactly the attitude I’m worried about. If Democrats say we are going to rally around our sexual predators because Trump has set the standard, why should women vote for Democrats? We should not aim for the moral standards of Donald Trump, because he has none.
re: #248 Big Beautiful Door
Which is not what I’m proposing. We have two credible allegations of sexual harassment against Franken. There is photographic proof. The second woman made contemporaneous statements about the incident when it occurred seven years ago; she hasn’t made it up. I would like Franken to voluntarily resign; I’m not proposing he be expelled yet. But there is going to be an investigation, and I strongly suspect there are going to be more accusations, because there usually are.
this is probably a mistake. i’m going to say it anyway. and ianal
these allegations are many things. neither was sexual harassment.
throwing everything in that basket is dangerous.
re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth
“Keenu Reeves: Hollywood Elites Use ‘Blood Of Babies’ To Get High”
Now, if they’d accused him of using the blood of babies to stay immortal, I could believe it. He, Crispin Glover, and Thomas Brodie-Sangster are doing something.
re: #306 Birth Control Works
I just finished The 100. If anyone here was watched it, jump right in.
It depicts a dystopian future that is just as you described. Survival at all cost. Instead of cooperation and survival for the most, individuals consistently chose to serve their own interests and myths and fewer people survive.
Perhaps it is survival of the fittest —to breed, not the fittest to thrive.
Not sure how the end of the last season fits, though. The spaceship descending after the five year firestorm near Clarke and a new child character makes no sense in the mythos. Where the hell did an alien or earth spaceship of that design come from? Looks like it is meant to be a prison ship or raider of some kind and I don’t understand where the writers are going. Tying that in (somehow) with the group that went to the station…. Gotta see what happen, I guess.
Well, all this stuff being discussed is a bit too much for me … I’ll need to take a break for a day or two from the site until things settle down (and the subject changes as it is too much for me).
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re: #306 Birth Control Works
I just finished The 100. If anyone here was watched it, jump right in.
It depicts a dystopian future that is just as you described. Survival at all cost. Instead of cooperation and survival for the most, individuals consistently chose to serve their own interests and myths and fewer people survive.
Perhaps it is survival of the fittest —to breed, not the fittest to thrive.
Libertarianism.
re: #254 Big Beautiful Door
Is that the second allegation against Warren? Is there photographic evidence like in Franken’s case? Did you make contemporaneous statements to others at the time which shows you didn’t just make this up?
Didn’t you call for Franken’s resignation after the first accusation?
re: #364 Big Beautiful Door
This is exactly the attitude I’m worried about. If Democrats say we are going to rally around our sexual predators because Trump has set the standard, why should women vote for Democrats? We should not aim for the moral standards of Donald Trump, because he has none.
If he has none, then couldn’t we just as well show we’re better than him by expecting Franken to attend counseling or sensitivity training? Why is resignation the only option?
This is not happening in a vacuum and Dems needs every voice in the Senate. It’s unfortunate when you have to choose between 2 wrongs, but sometimes you have to.
re: #364 Big Beautiful Door
This is exactly the attitude I’m worried about. If Democrats say we are going to rally around our sexual predators because Trump has set the standard, why should women vote for Democrats? We should not aim for the moral standards of Donald Trump, because he has none.
we should aim for proportionality and understanding circumstances
we should attempt to identify and categorize misunderstandings and mistakes as a world separate and apart from misdemeanors and felonies.
re: #362 Belafon
Do you have a link on that with Tweeden?
No. It was a cynical prediction. Sorry for any confusion.
I’m now looking for a helmet and a haz mask. And seriously considering no more commenting about any of this. It is way outta my control…our control. Just as some would want it.
re: #213 Big Beautiful Door
At what number of allegations should he resign at? Because odds are he will hit that number sooner or later.
Depends on the allegation. All this one needs is an apology. Inappropriate and crude but what he did was not a crime. Sexual molestation of minors or real assaults on women are not the same as a guy being a jerk.
re: #373 Nyet
This is not happening in a vacuum and Dems needs every voice in the Senate. It’s unfortunate when you have to choose between 2 wrongs, but sometimes you have to.
Exactly. Also, all of us should remember the pro-wrestling/reality-TV aspect of US politics (now worse than ever). In the eyes of low-info/apathetic voters, Franken resigning now (while Cheeto Benito and Roy Moore are still going strong) won’t look like noble self-sacrifice - it will look like giving in, and pathetic, laughable failure to put up a fight.
re: #373 Nyet
This is not happening in a vacuum and Dems needs every voice in the Senate. It’s unfortunate when you have to choose between 2 wrongs, but sometimes you have to.
And sometimes declining to make a choice is the worst of the three wrongs. Even if it’s the easiest one to avoid.
re: #376 Hecuba’s daughter
Depends on the allegation. All this one needs is an apology. Inappropriate and crude but what he did was not a crime. Sexual molestation of minors or real assaults on women are not the same as a guy being a jerk.
+++++
re: #371 makeitstop
Didn’t you call for Franken’s resignation after the first accusation?
All this dumping on Franken (this is the first time I’ve mentioned him since this started a couple days ago) has convinced me over the past few days (after discussions with my wife) that the last thing I am going to do now is try to run against my R representative.
The R’s would have a field day anyway with my erotic Romance novel editing; I can only imagine what they would try to do with this if Franken was forced to resign even before the investigation he asked for.
Politics is a nasty game, and I am not nasty enough to play except on the local level. That said, we need local Democrats too.
How do we know that photo of zinke with the dead elephant is real.
I retweeted, then of course the doubt set in.
In previous cases like Al Franken’s, as soon as one woman came forward on the record we started hearing from others because they felt less unsafe reporting it. Trump is a good example and so is Roy Moore.
But in the Franken case, not a single other woman has come forward since Tweeden’s allegations. This doesn’t prove anything, of course, but the difference is very noticeable.
re: #376 Hecuba’s daughter
Depends on the allegation. All this one needs is an apology. Inappropriate and crude but what he did was not a crime. Sexual molestation of minors or real assaults on women are not the same as a guy being a jerk.
Yes they are.
No they aren’t.
Yes they are.
No they aren’t.
Yes they are.
No they aren’t.
No they aren’t.
Yes they are.
It’s hunting season.
it’s always election season.
re: #382 Charles Johnson
In previous cases like Al Franken’s, as soon as one woman came forward on the record we started hearing from others because they felt less unsafe reporting it. Trump is a good example and so is Roy Moore.
But in the Franken case, not a single other woman has come forward since Tweeden’s allegations. This doesn’t prove anything, of course, but the difference is very noticeable.
Charles…are you not aware of the new and now second claim against Franken? I’m confused by your comment.
re: #382 Charles Johnson
In previous cases like Al Franken’s, as soon as one woman came forward on the record we started hearing from others because they felt less unsafe reporting it. Trump is a good example and so is Roy Moore.
But in the Franken case, not a single other woman has come forward since Tweeden’s allegations. This doesn’t prove anything, of course, but the difference is very noticeable.
One has. Three, or however many days it has been, later. Which is in and of itself (the delay) of note. Not that ‘she should have…’ anything, just that nobody did in the interim.
I just went through thepeoplesvoicetv page on Facebook and reported half a dozen posts as false news. More people need to do this.
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Oh, OK - I wasn’t aware of the new report. I’ll have to check it out.
re: #387 Charles Johnson
Oh, OK - I wasn’t aware of the new report. I’ll have to check it out.
Yeah, that is why the big part of this thread became All Al.
Plenty of questions and back ‘n’ forth ongoing above. It sucks.
OFFS. Fox agitprop outlet peddles conspiracy theories nonstop. Why stop with the political conspiracies, when you can get Buzz Aldrin to kick the snot out of you for misinforming public. I’d pay to see that.
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What do you called a 14 year old who looks like she’s 20?
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re: #389 lawhawk
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Well, Fox is not hiding any longer. They are officially the TV version of The National Enquirer.
Bat boy up next.
The amount of sheer fake news garbage on that page is astounding.
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re: #392 Charles Johnson
Is it by any chance connected to David Icke’s venture of the same name?
re: #339 Big Beautiful Door
I’m expressing my opinion that he ought to resign; whether he does or not is entirely up to him. There is no contradiction. Even if I think he should resign that doesn’t even mean that based on the current accusations I would support his expulsion.
If he resigns, the GOP will paint that as “there must be much worse than we know about, and it’s about to be made public.” No way in hell will Fox, or talk radio, or even most Democrats, think he was resigning because of what we’ve already heard.
Research assignment for Anymouse: what is the actual story here?
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Today was a victory for everyone working to stop Keystone XL. TransCanada did not get their preferred route which means years of new review and legal challenges are now on the table. #NoKXL #Resolute pic.twitter.com/jB2rdn7J6F
— Jane Fleming Kleeb (@janekleeb) November 20, 2017
re: #393 Nyet
Is it by any chance connected to David Icke’s venture of the same name?
Media Matters says it’s a Russian proxy:
Ibtihaj represented the United States of America at the Olympics and brought home a medal, elevating the status of the nation on a global stage. So please never tell me the problem is lack of assimilation or shared values. The problem is bigotry & hate. pic.twitter.com/vt5oIGiwOs
— Hend Amry (@LibyaLiberty) November 20, 2017
On Monday morning, it took a mere 12 seconds to drop the 29-story Georgia Dome and reshape Atlanta’s skyline https://t.co/O3hGy8Wa1F pic.twitter.com/qVZR8BJL7Q
— CBS News (@CBSNews) November 20, 2017
Since videos on the CBS page always seem to take forever to spool for me, I went nd found this
re: #394 sagehen
If he resigns, the GOP will paint that as “there must be much worse than we know about, and it’s about to be made public.” No way in hell will Fox, or talk radio, or even most Democrats, think he was resigning because of what we’ve already heard.
Exactly, this will not end with resignation and the people demanding his resignation now will not drop the matter once he does. And he will have no real defense because one he resigns, the ethics investigation closes and there will be no findings to defend him with. He will be treated as someone with something to hide, with the whispers being that the DNC leadership ran him out of the party to avoid “worse” coming to light.
Dark features on Mars previously considered evidence for subsurface flowing of water are interpreted by new research as granular flows, where grains of sand and dust slip downhill to make dark streaks. Find out more: https://t.co/1sZXN0YAvB pic.twitter.com/NPlebxRVI3
— NASA (@NASA) November 20, 2017
re: #394 sagehen
If he resigns, the GOP will paint that as “there must be much worse than we know about, and it’s about to be made public.” No way in hell will Fox, or talk radio, or even most Democrats, think he was resigning because of what we’ve already heard.
Trying to shame Republicans into acting like responsible moral adults is delusional at this point.
What Democrats are doing now is slowly and hesitatingly reinventing a legal system from scratch. Now we’re discovering the need for due process, proportional punishment, and intent.
re: #389 lawhawk
[t]hat there is a reflection of a stagehand on the helmet of one of the astronauts.
All the editing and special effects and thought, etc. that went into faking a moon-landing and they forgot to edit THIS out…
re: #402 Colère Tueur de Lapin
All that 1969 Photoshopping gone to waste.
/s
re: #400 Backwoods_Sleuth
[Dark features on Mars previously considered evidence for subsurface flowing of water are interpreted by new research as granular flows, where grains of sand and dust slip downhill to make dark streaks.]
The new White Sands Missile Range*. It’s got life, Mars could too!
* Ooops, sorry, White Sands National Monument, if we get to keep that.
To recap: Republicans are currently defending a pedophile in order to save a Senate seat so that they can push through an enormous tax cut for the rich because it’s the only victory their leader, another sexual predator, may get after colluding w/ Russia to steal our election.
— Charles Clymér🏳️🌈 (@cmclymer) November 20, 2017
re: #334 Targetpractice
So then why compare his situation to that of Roy Moore? Is it to say that the GOP will allow molestation and preying on young women, but a Democrat is expected to resign if he so much as brushes up against a woman in a way that makes her feel uncomfortable?
Another strawman; Franken is accused of much more than that, and you know it.
re: #405 Kragar
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indeed. and that’s another reason for pushing Franken to resign…that will be one less “obstructionist” vote…
Are they worried?
Mitch McConnell is reportedly set to deliver a memo to the White House that spells out ways the Alabama special election could be delayed, including by applying pressure to Gov. Kay Ivey. https://t.co/p00rVqQovd
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) November 20, 2017
ME: Joe, about halfway through the speech, I’m gonna wish you a happy birth—
BIDEN: IT’S MY BIRTHDAY!
ME: Joe.
Happy birthday to @JoeBiden, my brother and the best vice president anybody could have. pic.twitter.com/sKbXjNiEjH— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) November 20, 2017
re: #408 Stanley Sea
Are they worried?
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in this case, the governor is a woman so they think she’ll be easy to push around…
re: #408 Stanley Sea
Are they worried?
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They will get sued by both candidates if they pull this.
Trump 2020 campaign has a new hat for sale. Costs nearly twice as much as regular MAGA hats. But it lets everyone know you’re a soldier in the War on Christmas. pic.twitter.com/MQbK2VQlki
— Christina Wilkie (@christinawilkie) November 20, 2017
#FollowBackResistance
I’ll follow back any Resister who retweets this. #ReSisters #WonderWoman #fbr #Maddow #AMJoy#ImpeachTrump pic.twitter.com/Y1itddKO9s— Susan Ross (Resister (@SusanNow3) November 15, 2017
re: #337 Decatur Deb
What are the chances that the Franken issue is being discussed in the media for any reason other than to get Roy Moore into the US Senate?
It doesn’t matter. Franken has admitted to sexual harassment, and there is credible evidence of more than one victim. He doesn’t get a pass even if his first victim had a political motivation to out him.
re: #414 Big Beautiful Door
It doesn’t matter. Franken has admitted to sexual harassment, and there is credible evidence of more than one victim. He doesn’t get a pass even if his first victim had a political motivation to out him.
He does not get a pass, nor does he need to resign in order to resolve it.
Classic Della Reese scene from the 1989 film Harlem Nights. May she rest in peace. pic.twitter.com/RA14UGeKLF
— Keith Boykin (@keithboykin) November 20, 2017
Della is the same age as my mom. :(
Fox News is now pushing the “fake moon landing” conspiracy theory. This is how bad it’s getting.
You be the judge: Skeptics say picture debunks moon landing https://t.co/zA1zpgqwWL
— Fox News (@FoxNews) November 20, 2017
Yet another reason that Franken should stay put until at least the investigation he himself welcomed is wrapped up:
🔥🔥🔥Emails reveal that Tony Perkins, head of the rabidly anti-LGBT evangelical group Family Research Council, knew that a GOP lawmaker sexually assaulted a teen boy in a hotel room — but kept it quiet. https://t.co/11qLhitVWC
— Jon Cooper (@joncoopertweets) November 19, 2017
re: #406 Big Beautiful Door
Another strawman; Franken is accused of much more than that, and you know it.
re: #414 Big Beautiful Door
It doesn’t matter. Franken has admitted to sexual harassment, and there is credible evidence of more than one victim. He doesn’t get a pass even if his first victim had a political motivation to out him.
If we want to stand for the rule of law, we give Franken his due process, not reflexively run him out of Congress on a rail at the drop of a hat just because the Republicans are saying mean things about us. That’s what they want us to do with him and any other Democrat with any allegations of impropriety (see: Menendez), which means that, more often than not these days, it’s exactly the wrong thing for us to do, not only for the party, but also for the country and the institutions the Republicans are busy trying to neuter and destroy.
No, Franken should get his chances to properly defend himself, in front of the Senate Ethics Committee (which, being GOP-controlled, will absolutely rake him over the coals, justified or not) and in a courtroom, if it comes to that.
Full. Stop.
‘The start of a decades-long economic policy disaster unlike any other that has occurred in American history’ https://t.co/AyKagIXmid
— Raw Story (@RawStory) November 20, 2017
re: #414 Big Beautiful Door
It doesn’t matter. Franken has admitted to sexual harassment, and there is credible evidence of more than one victim. He doesn’t get a pass even if his first victim had a political motivation to out him.
Can you explain how, specifically, these two events were sexual harassment and not something else?
I’m not seeing it
And I’m not going to argue that whatever you say…..heres why it’s wrong…
Prepare to smile a lot…and have plenty of tissues on hand:
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— yourHeathrow (@yourHeathrow) November 20, 2017
re: #364 Big Beautiful Door
This is exactly the attitude I’m worried about. If Democrats say we are going to rally around our sexual predators because Trump has set the standard, why should women vote for Democrats? We should not aim for the moral standards of Donald Trump, because he has none.
I have known sexual predators. There is nothing I’ve seen thus far to suggest that Franken is anything close to being one. Know what I’m seeing as a huge clue?
Predators are guys who manipulate and maneuver to get women alone. I don’t think I’ve ever seen or experienced any exception to this. The LAST thing they want are witnesses. That’s how they get away with their predatory behavior for so long. (See Moore, Roy and Weinstein, Harvey for examples.) It always remains in the “he said she said” arena and we know who wins those in our culture, particularly because predators choose victims whose credibility will be denied.
The Franken accusations involve instances in what appear to be very public places with many witnesses. This is contradictory to predatory behavior. Can we please have some fucking perspective here?
re: #419 TedStriker
Also, to this effect, Roy Moore should also get his opportunity to properly defend himself in a court of law if at all possible. However, with him, he was already enough of a shitty human being before all this came out that we should all still oppose his election to the Senate and to work towards that goal.
Due process, it’s what we’re supposed to do.
re: #424 TedStriker
Also, to this effect, Roy Moore should also get his opportunity to properly defend himself in a court of law if at all possible. However, with him, he was already enough of a shitty human being before all this came out that we should all still oppose his election to the Senate and to work towards that goal.
Due process, it’s what we’re supposed to do.
Difference is that Roy Moore likes his local court of public opinion, so would not welcome any official investigation.
re: #423 allegro
The Franken accusations involve instances in what appear to be very public places with many witnesses. This is contradictory to predatory behavior. Can we please have some fucking perspective here?
With him obviously and knowingly posing for a camera…for posterity
re: #417 Charles Johnson
Fox News is now pushing the “fake moon landing” conspiracy theory. This is how bad it’s getting.
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Big Question: Why are they doing this right now?
Sigh, I hate to say this but….
If it were Al Franken (R) this would be talked about in a completely different way.
Seeing this at DailyKos as well…
Disappointed, I am.
re: #427 Teukka
Big Question: Why are they doing this right now?
Someone misplaced the Hillary file?
re: #406 Big Beautiful Door
Another strawman; Franken is accused of much more than that, and you know it.
You know what hurts the efforts to get sexual harassment taken seriously? Blowing allegations like these totally out of proportion, such that people on the outside looking in see the bar set so low that it’s entirely possible for accidental actions to be interpreted as harassment.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the DNC needs men to vote for it as surely as it needs women. And when those men hear allegations like these and calls for Franken’s immediate resignation, the whole “War on Men” BS that the wingnuts like to roll out there starts to gain a hint of truth.
You be the judge: Skeptics say picture debunks moon landing https://t.co/zA1zpgqwWL
— Fox News (@FoxNews) November 20, 2017
How long before Fox News super fan Donald Trump starts publicly declaring the moon landing was a hoax? https://t.co/5Q2BvEARoI
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 20, 2017
re: #428 Varek Raith
Sigh, I hate to say this but….
If it were Al Franken (R) this would be talked about in a completely different way.
Seeing this at DailyKos as well…
Disappointed, I am.
If it were Al Franken (R) it wouldn’t even be a blip on the public media radar compared to everything else popping up about GOP egregious sexual behavior.
re: #428 Varek Raith
Sigh, I hate to say this but….
If it were Al Franken (R) this would be talked about in a completely different way.
Seeing this at DailyKos as well…
Disappointed, I am.
With all due respect, please see my last two posts and tell me that’s wrong.
re: #427 Teukka
motherjones.comBig Question: Why are they doing this right now?
They are generating a separate reality, and building an audience for it.
re: #431 Charles Johnson
[How long before Fox News super fan Donald Trump starts publicly declaring the moon landing was a hoax?]
Please! With Buzz Aldrin at an arm’s length.
re: #428 Varek Raith
Sigh, I hate to say this but….
If it were Al Franken (R) this would be talked about in a completely different way.
Seeing this at DailyKos as well…
Disappointed, I am.
Context matters.
That would make the Moore character a dem.
He
Would
Be
Toast
Long ago
re: #432 Backwoods_Sleuth
If it were Al Franken (R) it wouldn’t even be a blip on the public media radar compared to everything else popping up about GOP egregious sexual behavior.
It would be met with another eyeroll about the “party of family values” and we’d move on. I sure as fuck would not be calling for Al Franken (R) to resign from office over this mess.
O_o
Trump: “We’re going to be working very hard during the recess in Florida. We’re going to Florida.”
— Christina Wilkie (@christinawilkie) November 20, 2017
re: #428 Varek Raith
Sigh, I hate to say this but….
If it were Al Franken (R) this would be talked about in a completely different way.
Seeing this at DailyKos as well…
Disappointed, I am.
Which is why John Edwards continued his run for president and why Weiner is still a senator congressperson.
Fixed.
re: #435 wrenchwench
Please! With Buzz Aldrin at an arm’s length.
It’s been a good while since Buzz coldcocked Bart Sibrel after being ambushed, but I bet Buzz still has enough vim and vigor left in him.
re: #438 Backwoods_Sleuth
O_o
A story came out that while he’s in Florida, the airport there is going to be shut down.
OT whine: HR can be really difficult. Especially when you really, really don’t want to have to terminate someone but can’t deny the bone-headed thing they did that warrants it. I hate having to term people during the holidays. I especially hate having to term people that I really like. :(
re: #441 TedStriker
It’s been a good while since Buzz coldcocked Bart Sibrel after being ambushed, but I bet Buzz still has enough vim and vigor left in him.
I just hope the Secret Service doesn’t hurt him. He certainly would outclass the president, as he does by his mere existence.
File this under “Perspective”:
Avalanche of men reveal ‘family values’ GOP Ohio lawmaker was really a ‘perverted weirdo’ who stalked them https://t.co/XF3nmwhfRi
— Raw Story (@RawStory) November 20, 2017
In an exclusive report, more than 30 victims of sexual harassment by a now-disgraced “family values” Ohio Republican have come forward with evidence that he has a long history of stalking men online and sharing videos of himself masturbating.
According to the Independent Journal Review, former Representative Wes Goodman (R) spent late evenings direct-messaging with other man while his wife slept, engaging in sex talk and offering to provide sexual services.
*Wall Streeters* think it’s a Ponzi scheme.
“It’s a Ponzi Scheme”: Wall Street Fears Trump’s Deranged Tax Plan Means Economic Euthanasia https://t.co/RoPoZOOPFZ— Sarah Posner (@sarahposner) November 20, 2017
On a happier note… (I hope)
Moore dodges the press as harassment scandal spirals
Democrat Doug Jones is vastly outspending the damaged Alabama GOP Senate candidate on the airwaves.
politico.com
Dem ad against Moore
Good to see a fight by the Dems here..
re: #446 jaunte
How do you cure a recession?
GOP: Tax cuts!!!
re: #428 Varek Raith
Sigh, I hate to say this but….
If it were Al Franken (R) this would be talked about in a completely different way.
Seeing this at DailyKos as well…
Disappointed, I am.
Yeah, it would. We’d be wondering why there was no investigation and why the media was giving it exactly zero attention. Also, we’d be defending the accusers as they got buried under a massive pile of Republican slime. Naturally, Senator Al Franken(R) would be calling the women lying liars who lie a lot and accuse them of being deep state operatives.
re: #448 Belafon
Bankers suddenly starting to wonder if killing home equity value is going to be good for them after all.
re: #449 Weaselone
Yeah, it would. We’d be wondering why there was no investigation and why the media was giving it exactly zero attention. Also, we’d be defending the accusers as they got buried under a massive pile of Republican slime. Naturally, Senator Al Franken(R) would be calling the women lying liars who lie a lot and accuse them of being deep state operatives.
Read DailyKos comments. A lot of that shit is already happening.
Believe Women! (Unless it’s a dem).
Yeah, I’m sick of this hypocritical shit.
re: #451 Varek Raith
Read DailyKos comments. A lot of that shit is already happening.
Believe Women! (Unless it’s a dem).
Yeah, I’m sick of this hypocritical shit.
Random people on the internet, not Al Franken himself. There is a difference.
re: #440 Belafon
Which is why John Edwards continued his run for president and why Weiner is still a senator.
And the fact that Franken is a sitting Senator vs. running for election/re-election is a big difference. If it was the latter, I’d expect him to withdraw. As the former, there is no reason not to go through the investigation process.
Don’t let the multiple molestation accusations against Moore let you forget that he’s also accused of defrauding a charity and not reporting taxable income.
— Michi (@cbn2) November 20, 2017
re: #423 allegro
I believe a few of the Hollywood accusations happened in public, including what happened to Terry Crews. I personally have seen horrible violations happen with folks around. When you remember it being about power, many types of manifestations make sense and you often have a toxic mix of gaslighting, manipulation, humiliation and intimidation where other folks can certainly be involved.
I worked at a sports talk radio station and we were covering a big sporting event. Part of the weeks activities involve interviewing famous folks who are in town for the event. We interviewed a prominent actor and then did the customary pictures with the show talent (2 male hosts and me). We all lined up for the pics and the actor grabbed my ass and started to make some crude remarks about the outline of my lady parts while the smiling pics were snapped.
Then boom it was over and he was gone. One of the show hosts remarked about what a creep he was being with his remarks and I told them he had grabbed my ass too. They weren’t happy and I was just grossed out and quickly pivoting back to finishing my job. It was a fast moving environment. And I’d bet the smiling pics were used as part of our show promo at some point.
Food for thought.
re: #420 Kragar
LMAO at the photo on that Tweet.
re: #440 Belafon
Which is why John Edwards continued his run for president and why Weiner is still a
senator.
Congressperson
re: #452 Weaselone
Random people on the internet, not Al Franken himself. There is a difference.
I really hate random people on the internet. And I’m not joking.
Here it comes again:
So @ajitpaiFCC is scheduled to release new FCC “rules” next week presumably killing #NetNeutrality and the internet as we know it. He thinks we won’t notice because of Thanksgiving. Let’s show him we notice by getting #SaveNetNeutrality to trend now.
— Alyssa Milano (@Alyssa_Milano) November 20, 2017
Honest question: Is the assumption by having everyone accused resign before an investigation, that we should just cede governance to unapologetic sexual predators?
Under Trump, U.S. military deaths in war zones are up for the first time in six years https://t.co/PYIoKnHZAe pic.twitter.com/zMZLEV6cfr
— Newsweek (@Newsweek) November 20, 2017
I think it’s good we’re having this discussion, even if we’re not agreeing on much. Replace Franken with Ted Cruz. Republicans wouldn’t be having discussions over whether he should be removed from office.
re: #465 Backwoods_Sleuth
MAGA!
We shall not let their deaths be in vain.
We should honor veterans by killing more of them.
Etc.
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re: #464 Bass Reeves
Honest question: Is the assumption by having everyone accused resign before an investigation, that we should just cede governance to unapologetic sexual predators?
That appears to be the thrust of Sara Huckabee’s remarks - that the Franken allegations should be investigated because he owned up to them, but that the Trump allegations should NOT be investigated because Trump did NOT.
So, we should get rid of all those who ‘fess up to any accusations, but keep the ones who don’t.
re: #467 Belafon
MAGA!
We shall not let their deaths be in vain.
We should honor veterans by killing more of them.
Etc.///
and standing up for the national anthem!!11!!
re: #468 Blind Frog Belly White
That appears to be the thrust of Sara Huckabee’s remarks - that the Franken allegations should be investigated because he owned up to them, but that the Trump allegations should NOT be investigated because Trump did NOT.
So, we should get rid of all those who ‘fess up to any accusations, but keep the ones who don’t.
Well, I do agree with the getting rid of those who confess. I also agree with not electing them in the first place (ie, I don’t think Trump should resign because of *this*, as it was known and he was elected in spite of it…I think he should resign for multiple other things, and then get impeached). Franken has not confessed to anything more than the picture. He is low-key refuting the kiss, and doesn’t recall the second accuser.
re: #440 Belafon
Which is why John Edwards continued his run for president and why Weiner is still a senator.
And why Mark Sanford was drummed out of office, never to be seen again—oh, wait—he quietly paid back the money he used for his affair, continued as governor and then won back his house seat.
(I know, he wasn’t accused of sexual harassment, but he was certainly a sleazy character with his Appalachian Trail adventures.)
re: #354 William Lewis
What you are saying is we will be so pure we will willingly commit suicide.
Another strawman. I don’t believe that the Democratic party is incapable of finding politicians who don’t engage in sexual harassment. And, I will repeat myself, I’m not saying that every Democrat accused of sexual harassment has to resign.
re: #365 dangerman
this is probably a mistake. i’m going to say it anyway. and ianal
these allegations are many things. neither was sexual harassment.
throwing everything in that basket is dangerous.
I’m not sure how you can think that. They are both textbook sexual harassment.
re: #453 Mike Lamb
And the fact that Franken is a sitting Senator vs. running for election/re-election is a big difference. If it was the latter, I’d expect him to withdraw. As the former, there is no reason not to go through the investigation process.
this must be added to the fact that moore and franken are being accused of two entirely different things
the situation / context each is in has to be coupled with what he is “charged” with
re: #454 jaunte
Don’t let the multiple molestation accusations against Moore let you forget that he’s also accused of defrauding a charity and not reporting taxable income.
and twice removed from his position on the court
Sarah Sanders says that reporters who are called on must say what they’re thankful for before they can ask a question.
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) November 20, 2017
oh my god sarah huckabee sanders is making reporters share what they are thankful for before they ask questions
— Talia Lavin (@chick_in_kiev) November 20, 2017
There is only acceptable answer for this venue: Robert Mueller https://t.co/mCgR0QR3lU
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) November 20, 2017
re: #371 makeitstop
Didn’t you call for Franken’s resignation after the first accusation?
I did. There was photographic evidence and Franken admitted what he did was degrading not just to the victim but women in general. And I correctly predicted there would probably be more incidents. The fact that a second incident has emerged just reinforces my opinion, and I bet there will be more.
re: #372 Targetpractice
If he has none, then couldn’t we just as well show we’re better than him by expecting Franken to attend counseling or sensitivity training? Why is resignation the only option?
Its not; that is just what I think he should do. My humble opinion. Because I suspect that now that there are two, its going to turn into three, then four, and eventually everyone will agree resignation is the only option. We’ll see.
re: #427 Teukka
Big Question: Why are they doing this right now?
To pull in a fresh set of ‘heroes’ and to prove that democratic government (as well as Democratic government) is evil at the core.
The moon landing conspiracists, as with all conspiracy mongers, regard themselves as heroes. They believe they are the people who see ‘the truth’ and stand for it against tremendous odds. There are a fair number of moon landing conspiracists who are not part of the Fox demographic. Fox, by offering airtime for this idiocy hopes to build its audience.
And The Ministry of Truth, excuse me, Fox News, represents the viewpoints of the aristocrats and barbarians claiming the title of conservative. Central to their views is that democracy is evil and chaotic. The moon landing conspiracy is yet more ‘evidence’ of this primary fact.
I’m kind of surprised Fox hadn’t thought of this earlier.
Oh dear. There is a fly in the house. There are also two 5 month old kittens in the house.
Mayhem is ensuing.
re: #373 Nyet
This is not happening in a vacuum and Dems needs every voice in the Senate. It’s unfortunate when you have to choose between 2 wrongs, but sometimes you have to.
Not in this case, because Mn has a Democratic Governor. If Franken resigns, he’ll be replaced by a Democrat, and a Democrat will probably win the special election next year.
re: #479 Big Beautiful Door
Its not; that is just what I think he should do. My humble opinion. Because I suspect that now that there are two, its going to turn into three, then four, and eventually everyone will agree resignation is the only option. We’ll see.
And what if nobody else comes forward? Or they do, but nothing more than lurid or horrific than what we’ve heard so far? Would you then agree that resignation is uncalled for?
re: #448 Belafon
How do you cure a recession?
GOP: Tax cuts!!!
Works the same way a bullet in the head cures the flu!
re: #483 Big Beautiful Door
Not in this case, because Mn has a Democratic Governor. If Franken resigns, he’ll be replaced by a Democrat, and a Democrat will probably win the special election next year.
I suspect you’re handing a loaded gun to the GOP.
re: #483 Big Beautiful Door
Right? Because Hillary is President right now because elections are 100% normal.
And they’re doing it.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 20, 2017
re: #483 Big Beautiful Door
Not in this case, because Mn has a Democratic Governor. If Franken resigns, he’ll be replaced by a Democrat, and a Democrat will probably win the special election next year.
And Mitch would never try to exploit the temporarily open seat to try to ram through legislation while he holds up the seating of Franken’s replacement.
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re: #488 Charles Johnson
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The bell rings, the dogs salivate, and we wonder why we expected anything different to happen.
As if sacrificing the remains of their dignity is going to get a truthful answer from SHS.
re: #374 dangerman
we should aim for proportionality and understanding circumstances
we should attempt to identify and categorize misunderstandings and mistakes as a world separate and apart from misdemeanors and felonies.
I’m sorry, but calling what Franken has been accused of “misunderstandings and mistakes” sounds like the kind of rationalizations women subjected to this kind of treatment have been hearing forever. The Democratic Party doesn’t need to be gaslighting women to protect its own.
re: #479 Big Beautiful Door
Its not; that is just what I think he should do. My humble opinion. Because I suspect that now that there are two, its going to turn into three, then four, and eventually everyone will agree resignation is the only option. We’ll see.
We’ll see what the facts are when they come; meanwhile, in a legal sense, Franken and Moore still should be accorded due process in a court of law (if it comes to that) and, in Franken’s case, due process in the Senate Ethics Committee investigation.
The woman who had the sticker about Trump on her trunk: She added the sheriff to it: dailykos.com
re: #382 Charles Johnson
In previous cases like Al Franken’s, as soon as one woman came forward on the record we started hearing from others because they felt less unsafe reporting it. Trump is a good example and so is Roy Moore.
But in the Franken case, not a single other woman has come forward since Tweeden’s allegations. This doesn’t prove anything, of course, but the difference is very noticeable.
I assume you’ve caught up with the news since you posted this.
re: #494 TedStriker
But it’s much more fun to try them in the court of public opinion. Much easier to make charges stick as well since there is no presumption of innocence.
re: #492 Big Beautiful Door
I’m sorry, but calling what Franken has been accused of “misunderstandings and mistakes” sounds like the kind of rationalizations women subjected to this kind of treatment have been hearing forever. The Democratic Party doesn’t need to be gaslighting women to protect its own.
Forcing Franken to resign isn’t going to solve one damn thing with the current set of facts at hand, especially with the Republicans, because they’ll bash him quite hypocritically until he’s out of office, no matter how he leaves. However, the Ethics Committee investigation will likely be quite harsh (probably much more harsh that if a Republican were the target) due to GOP control, so if sunlight is what you want in all of this, they’ll be plenty of it (but also keep in mind they’ll likely be some bullshit there too).
re: #443 Flying Squirrel Girl
OT whine: HR can be really difficult. Especially when you really, really don’t want to have to terminate someone but can’t deny the bone-headed thing they did that warrants it. I hate having to term people during the holidays. I especially hate having to term people that I really like. :(
Al Franken?
; )
re: #394 sagehen
If he resigns, the GOP will paint that as “there must be much worse than we know about, and it’s about to be made public.” No way in hell will Fox, or talk radio, or even most Democrats, think he was resigning because of what we’ve already heard.
I think we are going to find out there is more. Sorry, we’ve seen again and again that guys who do this stuff do it a lot. I wish Franken wasn’t one of those guys, I really do.
i’m going to leave these last two points and then go get some work done.
the asymmetrical reactions to moore and franken are because what each of them did and the circumstances at the time. it is not because of the letter after their names.
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second, “sexual harassment” is going the way of “terrorist” (and i would argue “abuse” as well)
a once specific definition is morphing and evolving to be used in all sorts of circumstances it has no business in and wasnt intended for
if you change the usage of a word (its definition and meaning), you have to let everyone in on the new definition - whether it be broader or more focused. or whatever.
and if this is your goal, you must recognize that changing a word may have many side effects and unintended consequences.
re: #495 Belafon
I worked for a business owned by 3 brothers in Sugar Land, all of whom were very good friends with Troy Nehls and his brother, going way back. Mr. Nehls would regularly stop by the office looking for the owners and I didn’t like him at all back then. I’m actually pleasantly surprised that the owner of the truck says she gets more positive feedback than negative about the decals in that part of the state.
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re: #500 Big Beautiful Door
I think we are going to find out there is more. Sorry, we’ve seen again and again that guys who do this stuff do it a lot. I wish Franken wasn’t one of those guys, I really do.
There’s also generally a pattern to the behavior. So far, the pattern is that Franken is a guy who has issues with inappropriate touching. That’s something that calls for counseling or sensitivity training, not capital punishment.
re: #481 allegro
Oh dear. There is a fly in the house. There are also two 5 month old kittens in the house.
Mayhem is ensuing.
we had a gecko (you know a lizard) this morning. 2 10 year old cats
same mayhem
re: #500 Big Beautiful Door
I think we are going to find out there is more. Sorry, we’ve seen again and again that guys who do this stuff do it a lot. I wish Franken wasn’t one of those guys, I really do.
I think the reason that a lot of us are inclined to give Franken more of the benefit of the doubt more so than Moore (or most of the other Republicans accused of similar behavior lately) is precisely because of his history, his track record up to this point, in Congress and before. That should still count for something, but again, a measured response and due process is the key in all of this.
The entire Republican party should resign for being guilty of decades of trying to put their hands on the ovaries of every woman in the country. But they won’t, because abusive behavior works to keep them in power.
re: #483 Big Beautiful Door
Not in this case, because Mn has a Democratic Governor. If Franken resigns, he’ll be replaced by a Democrat, and a Democrat will probably win the special election next year.
Franken may well be replaced by another Dem in the Senate, but the seat will remain vacant long enough for McConnell and his minions to wreak complete havoc with our way of life.
re: #463 Varek Raith
Fine.
I’ll shut up about Franken.
And that is disappointing too. I like reading all the comments. I don’t understand why this can’t be discussed both sides and the truth…plus the flip side.
re: #483 Big Beautiful Door
Not in this case, because Mn has a Democratic Governor. If Franken resigns, he’ll be replaced by a Democrat, and a Democrat will probably win the special election next year.
this is injecting a lot of politics where it maybe doesnt belong
if the MN gov was an R would you feel the same? if so, then why mention it at all?
And here again I would suggest that what we need in this Great Catharsis is to stop punishing all but the most egregious for a while, while we get it all out in the open.
If we establish a low bar for resignations, you’ll have a lot of guys making the calculation that it’s better to deny and attack the accusers than to admit responsibility, plus I suspect a lot of women who’ve been subjected to less heinous misconduct will stop coming forward because they might feel like the punishment is disproportionate.
re: #509 Backwoods_Sleuth
Franken may well be replaced by another Dem in the Senate, but the seat will remain vacant long enough for McConnell and his minions to wreak complete havoc with our way of life.
Even if Franken resigned tomorrow, the Senate would be in recess until after Thanksgiving. And it’s going to take time for Davis to find and name a replacement, that replacement to make the transfer to DC, and for them to be seated in Franken’s spot. That’s time in which Mitch can call together the rest of the Senate, get Mike in his seat, and ram through Wealthcare on a party-line vote.
re: #483 Big Beautiful Door
Not in this case, because Mn has a Democratic Governor. If Franken resigns, he’ll be replaced by a Democrat, and a Democrat will probably win the special election next year.
And once the Republicans smell blood in the water, they will go after every Dem they possibly can—with or without documentation or basis. That’s what they do—that’s who they are.
re: #512 Blind Frog Belly White
And here again I would suggest that what we need in this Great Catharsis is to stop punishing all but the most egregious for a while, while we get it all out in the open.
If we establish a low bar for resignations, you’ll have a lot of guys making the calculation that it’s better to deny and attack the accusers than to admit responsibility, plus I suspect a lot of women who’ve been subjected to less heinous misconduct will stop coming forward because they might feel like the punishment is disproportionate.
Precisely.
If we, as a nation, want a full accounting of all of this, then the Senate Ethics Committee investigation into Franken should be allowed to happen and run its course (even if the Republicans try to stuff in a bunch of obvious bullshit); that route most likely goes away if Franken resigns.
Sarah Huckabee Sanders tomorrow: Dance a little jig before you ask a question. pic.twitter.com/uDRB11EaHD
— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) November 20, 2017
I am thankful that I am not a Huckabee family dog. @PressSec pic.twitter.com/IcTUQPq674
— Frank Lee Power (@frankleepower) November 20, 2017
re: #508 jaunte
The entire Republican party should resign for being guilty of decades of trying to put their hands on the ovaries of every woman in the country. But they won’t, because abusive behavior works to keep them in power.
The ovaries, and the entirety of a woman’s being. The Republicans are responsible for policies that are causing the maternal death rate to rise all over the world. This increases the death rate of children also.
These are the stakes. We do need to choose allies carefully. We also need to be careful about rejecting allies.
re: #516 MsJ
Next will be “Mommy may I?” And they’ll do it.
re: #483 Big Beautiful Door
By the by, is there no other recourse than resignation?
Here’s a hell of a thought: If there are worse things about Franken waiting out there in the shadows, then how about we wait for them to come to light and see for ourselves instead of running with the conclusion that they exist and the only option is to force his resignation now.
If we want to have a serious dialogue as a nation about sexual harassment, then we need to air it all out. Not pass judgment in the fear that worse lurks out in the shadows.
re: #521 Bass Reeves
By the by, is there no other recourse than resignation?
The Senate, after investigation, could censure or expel Franken; censure would be more likely in that case, because expulsion takes a 2/3s vote in the Senate (the same goes for a House member, though the particular rules vary between the two chambers).
re: #524 HappyWarrior
Experiment in slimming with vertical stripes.
can someone explain why japanese game show ‘slippery stairs’ hasn’t made its way to our part of the world yet pic.twitter.com/cd1BHvvoKl
— juan (@juanbuis) November 20, 2017
re: #526 darthstar
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Because we decided a decade ago that putting a bunch of assholes in a house or on an island and filming what happened was cheaper to produce.
re: #525 jaunte
Experiment in slimming with vertical stripes.
It doesn’t work if the number of stripes is too great.
re: #528 Targetpractice
Because we decided a decade ago that putting a bunch of assholes in a house or on an island and filming what happened was cheaper to produce.
re: #527 Kilroy was here
Liability…
Good ponts, both…also, many US game show contestants wouldn’t walk up a flight of stairs.
Go to Youtube, find the nine minute version of this…it’s brutal.
re: #530 darthstar
Good ponts, both…also, many US game show contestants wouldn’t walk up a flight of stairs.
Go to Youtube, find the nine minute version of this…it’s brutal.
Does anyone finally win?
Put the answer in a spoiler tag if you want. :)
re: #528 Targetpractice
Because we decided a decade ago that putting a bunch of assholes in a house or on an island and filming what happened was cheaper to produce.
Longer than that…it’s been 17 years since Survivor debuted (which itself was based on a Swedish show from 1997).
re: #530 darthstar
Good ponts, both…also, many US game show contestants wouldn’t walk up a flight of stairs.
Go to Youtube, find the nine minute version of this…it’s brutal.
Most Americans can’t even walk up a short flight of non-slippery steps.
This is not a parody. This is a another attack on the Democratic coalition from the Sanders people - yes, with a dead donkey and call for an “autopsy.” Trump himself couldn’t do better. pic.twitter.com/fjzSlGcR7u
— Tom Watson (@tomwatson) November 19, 2017
Can we do an autopsy of how Sanders lost?
We keep having to remind him & co how he lost it seems. https://t.co/ADpyw1BXPQ— Amene (@Ange_Amene) November 19, 2017
re: #532 TedStriker
Longer than that, it’s been 17 years since Survivor debuted (which itself was based on a Swedish show from 1997).
Good God, has it been that long?
re: #526 darthstar
This was part of Splatalot! (a kiddie version of Wipeout) for years.
— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) November 20, 2017
re: #532 TedStriker
Longer than that…it’s been 17 years since Survivor debuted (which itself was based on a Swedish show from 1997).
And The Real World on MTV was from 1992.
I see that Japanese show and think “You guys are amateurs compared to the shit I used to watch happen on Double Dare back in the day…”
re: #534 MsJ
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I also wanted to mention that the loudest calls for Franken’s resignation I’m seeing on social media are from people demanding that Keith Ellison be named as his replacement.
Things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmm….
re: #538 danarchy
And The Real World on MTV was from 1992.
Until 2013…I could have sworn that it (or one of its variants) was still in production.
re: #419 TedStriker
If we want to stand for the rule of law, we give Franken his due process, not reflexively run him out of Congress on a rail at the drop of a hat just because the Republicans are saying mean things about us. That’s what they want us to do with him and any other Democrat with any allegations of impropriety (see: Menendez), which means that, more often than not these days, it’s exactly the wrong thing for us to do, not only for the party, but also for the country and the institutions the Republicans are busy trying to neuter and destroy.
No, Franken should get his chances to properly defend himself, in front of the Senate Ethics Committee (which, being GOP-controlled, will absolutely rake him over the coals, justified or not) and in a courtroom, if it comes to that.
Full. Stop.
I never said he should be denied a hearing, if that’s what he wants. I think he ought to resign. If he’d rather have a hearing, that’s fine.
Yes, but a Latino reindeer. Rodolfo.
— NotTheOnlyOne (@missouttamyway) November 20, 2017
As I noted up the thread, all this hammering of Franken from the left before the ethics committee meets he asked for has convinced me not to take on my (never challenged) Republican representative.
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Change of subject: Anyone heard what’s going on with our disabled Nuclear Subthe diesel Argentinian sub in the South Atlantic? I heard it mentioned this morning, but Roy Moore and Tax Cuts and Russia are taking precedent so the 44 seamen on that sub aren’t getting a lot of cover.
Thanks for the corrections
re: #534 MsJ
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I sincerely hope that Mueller is taking a look at the Sanders campaign. Might be a surprise or two there…
re: #541 Backwoods_Sleuth
I also wanted to mention that the loudest calls for Franken’s resignation I’m seeing on social media are from people demanding that Keith Ellison be named as his replacement.
Things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmm….
If it did come to Franken resigning, I could think worse people to take his seat than Ellison; the balance of power in the House wouldn’t budge and, AFAIK, Ellison has been quite competent in his current seat.
re: #537 TedStriker
Time flies, don’t it?
I was thinking more about how that show continues to get renewed to this day. There really does seem to be a regular human appetite for watching others suffer.
DOJ to sue to prevent AT&T from buying Time Warner https://t.co/kYWBAA9uMh via @nypost
— The_News_DIVA🎀 (@The_News_DIVA) November 20, 2017
Unless they sell CNN. Trump playing politics with a news organization. Textbook definition of First Amendment abuse. Real 1st Amendment stuff, not the bullshit people espouse when unhappy with Twitter, no, real goddamned First Fucking Amendment government intrusion. #Illegal https://t.co/0J9bKYGuou
— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) November 20, 2017
re: #547 darthstar
En este momento queda en la zona de búsqueda otro avión P8 de la Armada de EEUU y por la noche saldrá un tracker de la #ArmadaArgentina proveniente de #Trelew para trabajar en el área con zonobollas
— Armada Argentina (@Armada_Arg) November 20, 2017
A 2nd US #Navy P-8A Poseidon aircraft has arrived in #Argentina to take part in the #missing #submarine search https://t.co/TXt6JYrRA9
— Chris Cavas (@CavasShips) November 20, 2017
re: #548 makeitstop
I sincerely hope that Mueller is taking a look at the Sanders campaign. Might be a surprise or two there…
I have been thinking that for a long time.
re: #547 darthstar
Change of subject: Anyone heard what’s going on with our disabled Nuclear Sub in the South Atlantic? I heard it mentioned this morning, but Roy Moore and Tax Cuts and Russia are taking precedent so the 44 seamen on that sub aren’t getting a lot of cover.
It’s not a nuke and it’s not ours, it’s an Argentinian Navy diesel-electric boat, missing for the past two or three days.
The US Navy is assisting in the SAR effort, though.
re: #551 MsJ
Angry bigot lady was asked about that…she said she’d get back to the media on it.
re: #547 darthstar
Change of subject: Anyone heard what’s going on with our disabled Nuclear Sub in the South Atlantic? I heard it mentioned this morning, but Roy Moore and Tax Cuts and Russia are taking precedent so the 44 seamen on that sub aren’t getting a lot of cover.
It is an Argentine submarine.
That said, the search is still on, with many nations now involved.
cnn.com (9 hours old)
re: #421 dangerman
Can you explain how, specifically, these two events were sexual harassment and not something else?
I’m not seeing it
And I’m not going to argue that whatever you say…..heres why it’s wrong…
He forced an unwanted kiss on a woman. He mimed groping her breasts for a photo which he has admitted is demeaning to her. He grabbed another woman’s butt when he was posing for a photo with her at the State Fair. Lips, breasts, butt. How exactly are these allegations not sexual harassment?
re: #547 darthstar
Change of subject: Anyone heard what’s going on with our disabled Nuclear Sub in the South Atlantic? I heard it mentioned this morning, but Roy Moore and Tax Cuts and Russia are taking precedent so the 44 seamen on that sub aren’t getting a lot of cover.
1) It’s not the US Navy’s sub. It’s an Argentine diesel sub with 44 aboard.
2) The US has sent rescue services to help locate and rescue the crew along with Brazilian, British, and Chilean naval assets.
Waves towered as high as 22 feet, while thunderstorms and powerful gusts of wind hindered the visibility and mobility of Argentine, American, British, Chilean and Brazilian military personnel scouring the area in ships and aircraft.
Continue reading the main story
RELATED COVERAGESignals Detected From Missing Argentine Submarine as Foreign Navies Join Search NOV. 18, 2017
Search Underway for Argentine Navy Submarine With 44 Aboard NOV. 17, 2017
“These are less than favorable conditions that do make things difficult,” said Cmdr. Erik Reynolds, a United States Navy spokesman. “You’re talking about 44 sailors out there. If they’re in trouble, there’s a finite amount of time to get to them, so I think there is a great deal of concern by the international community.”The mystery surrounding the fate of the crew aboard the San Juan, a German-made submarine that has been part of Argentina’s fleet since 1985, has transfixed the nation since news of its disappearance broke early Friday. The submarine last made radio contact on Wednesday.
It’s not sounding too good from the latest reports.
A view from the deck of the destroyer searching for a missing submarine off Argentina. See our full story: https://t.co/O3pOXREmnc pic.twitter.com/FBjsFOdvHd
— The Associated Press (@AP) November 20, 2017
re: #554 TedStriker
It’s not a nuke and it’s not ours, it’s an Argentinian diesel-electric boat, missing for the past two or three days.
And who says our sound-byte media doesn’t confuse the fuck out of people…jesus…I was way off.
re: #534 MsJ
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Sanders really is showing himself to be just as insensitive or as bigoted to minorities as any Republican. I don’t want to hear lectures from a guy who performs like a Republican does with minorities about what our party should be.
re: #547 darthstar
Change of subject: Anyone heard what’s going on with our disabled Nuclear Sub in the South Atlantic? I heard it mentioned this morning, but Roy Moore and Tax Cuts and Russia are taking precedent so the 44 seamen on that sub aren’t getting a lot of cover.
Disabled Nuclear sub? This is news to me. Are you talking about the missing Argentine sub? That one is diesel not nuclear though.
I was in a hotel this weekend and was flipping channels and picked up CNN where it had Huck-Sanders and she said the difference between Trump and Franken was that Trump never admitted to anything.
I almost hurled.
I also immediately clicked off.
I can’t stand to watch a single one of these fucking sociopaths for a single fucking second.
re: #562 danarchy
Disabled Nuclear sub? This is news to me. Are you talking about the missing Argentine sub? That one is diesel not nuclear though.
Yep…now edited to avoid further confusion.
re: #557 Big Beautiful Door
He forced an unwanted kiss on a woman. He mimed groping her breasts for a photo which he has admitted is demeaning to her. He grabbed another woman’s butt when he was posing for a photo with her at the State Fair. Lips, breasts, butt. How exactly are these allegations not sexual harassment?
That’s what investigations, in the Senate and, if necessary, in a court of law, are for.
Due process and the rule of law should be what we’re after, not a knee-jerk reaction to satisfy the Republicans, because they’ll never be satisfied and they’ll never stop at Franken, justified or not.
re: #423 allegro
I have known sexual predators. There is nothing I’ve seen thus far to suggest that Franken is anything close to being one. Know what I’m seeing as a huge clue?
Predators are guys who manipulate and maneuver to get women alone. I don’t think I’ve ever seen or experienced any exception to this. The LAST thing they want are witnesses. That’s how they get away with their predatory behavior for so long. (See Moore, Roy and Weinstein, Harvey for examples.) It always remains in the “he said she said” arena and we know who wins those in our culture, particularly because predators choose victims whose credibility will be denied.
The Franken accusations involve instances in what appear to be very public places with many witnesses. This is contradictory to predatory behavior. Can we please have some fucking perspective here?
I guess you didn’t read the first victim’s accusation. She claimed Franken did maneuver her to get her alone for the kiss he wanted to “rehearse.” I get that we all like Franken and don’t want to think him capable of this kind of stuff. But I’m afraid we’re all in for a disappointment. I really hope not.
re: #560 Belafon
What are they doing?
They want another democratic “autopsy” of the election (or rather, I presume, the primary).
I am done with anything Bernie. Fuck him. Fuck his supporters. I. Am. Done.
re: #500 Big Beautiful Door
I’m glad that you’re disappointed in Franken, I am too, but I also understand why people don’t want to get into why their disappointment with Senator Franken should take precedence with all of the other unfolding events around us…
on the bad side, I never like to discover that any of my elected officials are human, naturally we’d like them all to be the best reflection of ourselves, but given the current reflections that we’re getting, perhaps we’re simply going to have to accept that we’re less than perfect. Also, depending upon the times and how interpersonal relationships have changed, what was once accepted now isn’t. Hell, what Moore did if placed in context of a 150 years ago might not even raise the eyebrows, as the definition of who is a child, what rights they have are completely different than today (not to mention the concept of marriage itself and its transformation).
I can also understand that we should be even handed in the handling of these transgressions and look at the actions of the players themselves and the context surrounding them. Franken has apologized, had his apology accepted and from everything I’ve read about the second incident, I’m leery about the details until more is known. What can be a friendly hand on the hip two decades ago can change depending upon ones politics it seems. An inappropriate hand on an adult is naturally taken with the seriousness it deserves but its not allowed to stand on its own because the GOP is claiming that its just as egregious (if not more so because Franken admitted he did something wrong and their guy hasn’t) as what Moore and Trump have been accused of.
Whereas the GOP folks are going the Nixonian route of denying everything to the point where they’re attempting to paint their behavior as normal and inoffensive and that all accusers are conspiring against them. As opposed to Senator Franken who apologized and welcomed and encouraged an Ethics investigation to answer any and all questions.
Another issue is how the GOP attempts to shanghai every movement that gives power to people they would just assume have none… we’ve seen it on issue after issue, voting rights, gun control, racial inequality and now sexual harassment… in each and every case, the GOP has overridden the original message, blurred the waters and diluted the issue. Some see the allegations against Senator Franken in the same light, given the tied to what organization employs Ms. Tweeden, I can understand why in this instance, people are dubious because it’s not as if Fox (and the guy who controls that network) haven’t made it clear who they favor.
Still, I want the discussion to take place but I understand why it’s not going in the direction that it should and its because if everyone would be held to the current standard of what is right and wrong, then that would lead to even more questions about what constitutes a moral and ethical fitness for someone to run for office and if that was the case, then the GOP would have difficulty in fielding a baseball team.
re: #567 MsJ
They want another democratic “autopsy” of the election (or rather, I presume, the primary).
I am done with anything Bernie. Fuck him. Fuck his supporters. I. Am. Done.
He just seems so eager to sabotage the Dems doesn’t he? Loves to talk about how you build form the ground up. Well let’s say this. I did not see Bernie anywhere in Virginia this fall. Bernie likes to claim he’s grassroots but he’s about Bernie.
re: #566 Big Beautiful Door
I guess you didn’t read the first victim’s accusation. She claimed Franken did maneuver her to get her alone for the kiss he wanted to “rehearse.” I get that we all like Franken and don’t want to think him capable of this kind of stuff. But I’m afraid we’re all in for a disappointment. I really hope not.
I guess you didn’t read Tweeden’s response to Franken’s apology, in which (paraphrasing here) she accepted the apology and didn’t wish for Franken to resign or lose his seat over it.
If there’s more to this second accusation (or more forthcoming), then that’s what the investigations need to get at and put the facts all out there.
Once more with feeling: “due process and the rule of law”.
re: #430 Targetpractice
You know what hurts the efforts to get sexual harassment taken seriously? Blowing allegations like these totally out of proportion, such that people on the outside looking in see the bar set so low that it’s entirely possible for accidental actions to be interpreted as harassment.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the DNC needs men to vote for it as surely as it needs women. And when those men hear allegations like these and calls for Franken’s immediate resignation, the whole “War on Men” BS that the wingnuts like to roll out there starts to gain a hint of truth.
Franken didn’t accidentally kiss the first victim, and he didn’t accidentally pose for that photo either.
re: #567 MsJ
They want another democratic “autopsy” of the election (or rather, I presume, the primary).
I am done with anything Bernie. Fuck him. Fuck his supporters. I. Am. Done.
“The election earlier this month was great for the Democrats; not so great for Republicans or Sanders supporters.”
Sarah Sanders says that reporters who are called on must say what they’re thankful for before they can ask a question.
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) November 20, 2017
So far they’ve answered:
“The First Amendment”
“Bob Mueller”
and
“Happy Hour” https://t.co/3OjPEzvAe6— William Meservy (@WilliamMeservy) November 20, 2017
I’ve been trying to respond to everybody between phone calls, but I’ve obviously gotten behind. I know feelings about this issue with Franken are hot right now. Let me say again that if Franken wants an investigation and hearing, then by all means he is entitled to that. Its just my personal opinion that he should resign.
re: #572 Belafon
“The election earlier this month was great for the Democrats; not so great for Republicans or Sanders supporters.”
Ergo let’s shit on the best coalition formed by a Democratic president in the past 50 years some more.
re: #571 Big Beautiful Door
Franken didn’t accidentally kiss the first victim, and he didn’t accidentally pose for that photo either.
But did he accidentally put his hand on her butt? That’s the question the photo doesn’t answer and for which we only have the victim’s word that the act was intentional.
re: #568 piratedan
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…then the GOP would have difficulty in fielding a baseball team.
…that doesn’t get shot at.
re: #574 Big Beautiful Door
I’ve been trying to respond to everybody between phone calls, but I’ve obviously gotten behind. I know feelings about this issue with Franken are hot right now. Let me say again that if Franken wants an investigation and hearing, then by all means he is entitled to that. Its just my personal opinion that he should resign.
If it’s sunlight you want, you won’t get that if Franken resigns, unless criminal (or even civil) charges get filed down the line.
re: #570 TedStriker
I guess you didn’t read Tweeden’s response to Franken’s apology, in which (paraphrasing here) she accepted the apology and didn’t wish for Franken to resign or lose his seat over it.
If there’s more to this second accusation (or more forthcoming), then that’s what the investigations need to get at and put the facts all out there.
I know Tweeden accepted his apology. That doesn’t excuse his behavior. As Franken said himself, the photo is demeaning to all women.
re: #569 HappyWarrior
He just seems so eager to sabotage the Dems doesn’t he? Loves to talk about how you build form the ground up. Well let’s say this. I did not see Bernie anywhere in Virginia this fall. Bernie likes to claim he’s grassroots but he’s about Bernie.
good thing he’s on our side ///
re: #581 dangerman
good thing he’s on our side ///
I mean he didn’t even congratulate the Dem socialist that got elected here in Va. He’s all about himself becaues he really wants to sell a narrative that it’s Bernie against the big mean establishment even though he first got to Washington when I was in pre-school.
re: #473 Big Beautiful Door
Hi All.
I’ve been lurking for quite some time, but since I saw no one challenge this remark, I felt I needed to jump in.
As far as my background, I’ve been a senior corp HR executive for many of my 40 years in business and have dealt with dozens of sexual harassment issues.
What Franken did - both what he’s been accused of and what he has admitted to - is NOT “textbook sexual haraassment.”
From the EEOC (sexual harassment in the employment context where power differentials are definitely in abundance):
Although the law doesn’t prohibit simple teasing, offhand comments, or isolated incidents that are not very serious, harassment is illegal when it is so frequent or severe that it creates a hostile or offensive work environment or when it results in an adverse employment decision (such as the victim being fired or demoted)
In Franken’sd case, he had no power over either of his accusers and there is no evidence of repeat offenses involving these same ladies. There is also no evidence that his behavior was necessarily unwanted at the time. Only in retrospect - some 11 and 7 years later, respectivly, is it now claimed to be unwanted.
As everyone here seems to agree, both incidents were distasteful and juvenile, but they don’t appear to rise to either the level of sexual harassment or hostility in the legal sense.
Anyway, carry on …
And its nice to be outed finally.
One question I have about Franken’s second accuser…
The story makes mention of the photo being taken at a ‘radio booth.’
I’d like to know which station manned that booth, and its ownership. If it came back that there was a Sinclair station involved, I’d be immediately suspicious.
I am CRYING. The Weather Channel set up for a live shot of the Georgia Dome being imploded, and at the perfectly wrong time … this happened (via @ajc): pic.twitter.com/LA0cXpC7oX
— Brett Taylor (@Brett_A_Taylor) November 20, 2017
Co-workers asked if I was ok.
re: #585 Kragar
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Co-workers asked if I was ok.
That was great! Timing is everything.
re: #574 Big Beautiful Door
I’ve been trying to respond to everybody between phone calls, but I’ve obviously gotten behind. I know feelings about this issue with Franken are hot right now. Let me say again that if Franken wants an investigation and hearing, then by all means he is entitled to that. Its just my personal opinion that he should resign.
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re: #473 Big Beautiful Door
I’m not sure how you can think that. They are both textbook sexual harassment.
against my better judgement im gonna bite
ill state right off i dont know all the facts and ianal
this is co-opted off the eeoc and wikipedia - ymmv
i dont see sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, use of nasty or threatening language. it doesnt appear that there was any hostile or offensive work environment. and no one seems to have complained to anyone in authority at the time.
should they be subject to actual due process scrutiny, both incidents seem to be open to differing and questionable interpretations, and appear more as teasing, offhand and isolated, not frequent or severe. such incidents incidents that do not impose a “general civility code” tend to be excluded as harassment.
whether there will be more, well i dont predict the future. i prefer to simply wait and see, then know.
i dont see asymmetrical power, no bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, no unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors
that’s why its not “harassment”
refer to my post above about the evolution of use of words:
you want to call it “harassing”, fine. as i said, ymmv. i’d still find another word
re: #448 Belafon
Hello again … don’t know if this has been responded to yet …
But targeted tax cuts - whether advocated by Rs or Ds - are just the right medicine to combat a recession.
They are the aboslute worst thing to do to an economy that’s booming and with very low unemployment. This is the situation we’re currently experiencing.
(Not to mention that these cuts are targeted at the wealthy and will have almost no favorable effect on growth.)
Tax cuts now risk killing the economy by causing inflation to heat up, thus resulting in both growth and job killing high interest rates.
On the way in to work this morning there was a conversation on the MN public radio news station where someone was saying “We should get rid of Franken and get someone we like”. They may have been suggesting Ellison but I shut the damned radio off.
My prediction is that we’re going to “Oh gosh” ourselves into making Franken resign before Moore’s election. We’ll loose Franken and then Moore will win and be seated in the senate, and we’ll all be talking about how disappointing it is that democrats continue to fail us.
I’ve had a tendency to dismiss people who complain about how gutless democrats and progressives are when push comes to shove, but I believe that I am about to give up. I’m thinking the republicans get Ryan’s tax plan passed, trash Obamacare and the Sessions justice department gets full reign. Right at this moment I’m just feeling like we are totally self-fucked. We are so goddamned stupid.
re: #583 plf1953
In Franken’sd case, he had no power over either of his accusers and there is no evidence of repeat offenses involving these same ladies. There is also no evidence that his behavior was necessarily unwanted at the time. Only in retrospect - some 11 and 7 years later, respectivly, is it now claimed to be unwanted.
I am not an HR professional nor a a lawyer, so I have no comment on most of your post, however In August of 2010 the second accuser posted the picture on her facebook and made a contemporaneous comment:
“Dude — Al Franken TOTALLY molested me! Creeper!”
re: #593 stpaulbear
On the way in to work this morning there was a conversation on the MN public radio news station where someone was saying “We should get rid of Franken and get someone we like”. They may have been suggesting Ellison but I shut the damned radio off.
My prediction is that we’re going to “Oh gosh” ourselves into making Franken resign before Moore’s election. We’ll loose Franken and then Moore will win and be seated in the senate, and we’ll all be talking about how disappointing it is that democrats continue to fail us.
I’ve had a tendency to dismiss people who complain about how gutless democrats and progressives are when push comes to shove, but I believe that I am about to give up. I’m thinking the republicans get Ryan’s tax plan passed, trash Obamacare and the Sessions justice department gets full reign. Right at this moment I’m just feeling like we are totally self-fucked. We are so goddamned stupid.
Somebody we like? I don’t get it. I thought Franken was well liked by them or is this another using support of Bernie or Clinton barometer? Don’t give up. I think we can beat Moore and retake one of the Houses next year. I really think people are fed up wiht this crap administration and we’re oging to do it with or without hte help of the purer than thou.
Charlie Rose
Eight women have told The Washington Post that longtime television host Charlie Rose made unwanted sexual advances toward them, including lewd phone calls, walking around naked in their presence, or groping their breasts, buttocks or genital areas.https://t.co/PH1MmMrMny
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) November 20, 2017
re: #592 plf1953
The “pinkos” at Forbes agree:
From the pinkos at Forbes: “The GOP tax cut will be the start of a decades-long economic disaster unlike any other that has occurred in US history” https://t.co/UYMYTtbaTf
— Robert Maguire (@RobertMaguire_) November 20, 2017
Today Glenn Thrush was suspended by the NY Times for multiple allegations of harassment.
Tonight? Charlie Rose facing multiple allegations of harassment, including nudity.
NEW: Eight women say Charlie Rose sexually harassed them — with nudity, groping and lewd calls. A story that’s been in the works for weeks (another publication is doing an expose as well) https://t.co/u40lqnsyF5
— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) November 20, 2017
Unfu… nope. Totally fucking believable. Far too many guys forget basic adage of keep your goddamned hands to yourselves unless you are in a consensual relationship (paraphrased).
re: #593 stpaulbear
On the way in to work this morning there was a conversation on the MN public radio news station where someone was saying “We should get rid of Franken and get someone we like”. They may have been suggesting Ellison but I shut the damned radio off.
My prediction is that we’re going to “Oh gosh” ourselves into making Franken resign before Moore’s election. We’ll loose Franken and then Moore will win and be seated in the senate, and we’ll all be talking about how disappointing it is that democrats continue to fail us.
I’ve had a tendency to dismiss people who complain about how gutless democrats and progressives are when push comes to shove, but I believe that I am about to give up. I’m thinking the republicans get Ryan’s tax plan passed, trash Obamacare and the Sessions justice department gets full reign. Right at this moment I’m just feeling like we are totally self-fucked. We are so goddamned stupid.
I won’t accuse any lizards of being such, but I do believe that a large portion of the calls within the ranks of the Left calling for Franken’s resignation are those who were going around as recently as last week declaring the DNC needed a “reckoning” about the sexual exploits of one William Jefferson Clinton. I don’t doubt for a second that there are Bros who see a Franken resignation as an opportunity to put Ellison in the Senate and give his seat back in HoR to a “true progressive.”
re: #597 Stanley Sea
Charlie Rose
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If it’s Walter Cronkite next, I’ll eat my bicycle.
re: #594 danarchy
I am not an HR professional nor a a lawyer, so I have no comment on most of your post, however In August of 2010 the second accuser posted the picture on her facebook and made a contemporaneous comment:
I would point out that it was not the original caption for the photo, rather in response to another poster pointing out that there wasn’t a bible width of space between them. It doesn’t actually state he grabbed her and is a reaction to social shaming by the other commenter.
The Al Franken scandal is a godsend for Alabama Republicans https://t.co/y948FnAuck
— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) November 20, 2017
Seems like there’s always a goddamn godsend for Republicans these days.
re: #603 Anymouse 🌹
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Unless Al Franken changed his name to Doug Jones, no it’s not Yasher. And as wrong as it was, there’s a difference between inappropriately touching someone’s butt to sexually abusing underaged girls.
re: #604 Barefoot Grin
Seems like there’s always a goddamn godsend for Republicans these days.
Let me be confident. They thought they’d win Virginia too or that they’d at least make it close.
Never meet your heroes.. alone…
What I find odd is that Mister Mcfeely was pure as the driven snow with a name like that.
(Vague Captain Kangaroo ref)
/s
In honor of Harrison Ford saving a car crash victim: pic.twitter.com/dCDP8vFR6g
— Marlow Stern (@MarlowNYC) November 20, 2017
re: #592 plf1953
Hello again … don’t know if this has been responded to yet …
But targeted tax cuts - whether advocated by Rs or Ds - are just the right medicine to combat a recession.
They are the aboslute worst thing to do to an economy that’s booming and with very low unemployment. This is the situation we’re currently experiencing.
(Not to mention that these cuts are targeted at the wealthy and will have almost no favorable effect on growth.)
Tax cuts now risk killing the economy by causing inflation to heat up, thus resulting in both growth and job killing high interest rates.
GOP Tax Bill Is The End Of All Economic Sanity In Washington (goes to Forbes)
“If it’s enacted, the GOP tax cut now working its way through Congress will be the start of a decades-long economic policy disaster unlike any other that has occurred in American history.”
“There’s no economic justification whatsoever for a tax cut at this time. U.S. GDP is growing, unemployment is close to 4 percent (below what is commonly considered ‘full employment’), corporate profits are at record levels and stock markets are soaring. It makes no sense to add any federal government-induced stimulus to all this private sector-caused economic activity, let alone a tax cut as big as this one.”
“This is actually the ideal time for Washington to be doing the opposite.”
re: #579 Big Beautiful Door
I know Tweeden accepted his apology. That doesn’t excuse his behavior. As Franken said himself, the photo is demeaning to all women.
And let’s treat everybody who smokes a joint as if they robbing pharmacies for Oxy. Somebody who doesn’t mow his front lawn often enough should be punished the same as the guy who’s had 3 rusted out old cars up on blocks for 8 years. Breaking a window is as bad as torching the house. Shoplifting a few candy bars is as bad as armed robbery of a jewelry store.
At some point, we have to understand that sliding scale or grading on a curve makes more sense than zero tolerance for misdemeanors. EVERYTHING ISN’T ALL THE SAME.
re: #607 Kilroy was here
Never meet your heroes.. alone…
What I find odd is that Mister Mcfeely was pure as the driven snow with a name like that.
(Vague Captain Kangaroo ref)
/s
So vague, I remember that from Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood. I watched both shows (my younger siblings were my ‘excuse’ for the Mr. Rogers-watching. [McFeely was his middle name.]
re: #612 wrenchwench
So vague, I remember that from Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood. I watched both shows (my younger siblings were my ‘excuse’ for the Mr. Rogers-watching. [McFeely was his middle name]
Believe McFeely was his maternal grandfather. I liked Mr. Rogers. Seemed like a pleasant guy and a gentleman.
re: #613 HappyWarrior
Believe McFeely was his maternal grandfather. I liked Mr. Rogers. Seemed like a pleasant guy and a gentleman.
That follows a naming tradition among some people. I liked all the puppets.
re: #612 wrenchwench
So vague, I remember that from Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood. I watched both shows (my younger siblings were my ‘excuse’ for the Mr. Rogers-watching. [McFeely was his middle name]
Wow.. so long ago I forgot what show he was on…
re: #614 wrenchwench
That follows a naming tradition among some people. I liked all the puppets.
Yeah common in many cultures to use a last name as a middle name. My middle name is after my father’s father.
re: #615 Kilroy was here
Wow.. so long ago I forgot what show he was on…
I get Mr. Rogers’ puppets mixed up with those of Captain Kangaroo.
re: #599 lawhawk
Today Glenn Thrush was suspended by the NY Times for multiple allegations of harassment.
Tonight? Charlie Rose facing multiple allegations of harassment, including nudity.
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Unfu… nope. Totally fucking believable. Far too many guys forget basic adage of keep your goddamned hands to yourselves unless you are in a consensual relationship (paraphrased).
yeahbutt…AL FRANKEN!!11!!!
I hope @POTUS takes note of what happened in this incident. Join me in praying for Col. Bohannon. https://t.co/v0Hd9wA3zm
— Franklin Graham (@Franklin_Graham) November 20, 2017
You hope Trump takes notices of WHAT, exactly? That a commissioned officer of the US military refused to carry out his duty in accordance with the UCMJ?
You want to pray for something? Pray for insight into how the military is supposed to work, Jackass. https://t.co/uxUgJ1Bt8T— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) November 20, 2017
re: #600 Targetpractice
I won’t accuse any lizards of being such, but I do believe that a large portion of the calls within the ranks of the Left calling for Franken’s resignation are those who were going around as recently as last week declaring the DNC needed a “reckoning” about the sexual exploits of one William Jefferson Clinton. I don’t doubt for a second that there are Bros who see a Franken resignation as an opportunity to put Ellison in the Senate and give his seat back in HoR to a “true progressive.”
no true lizard plans on voting for Bill Clinton ever again, so it weren’t none of us…
OK, I have karma to spare, I’m throwing this out there:
Al Franken was mocking patriarchy by feigning a boob-grab on a woman wearing body armor.
re: #602 Weaselone
I would point out that it was not the original caption for the photo, rather in response to another poster pointing out that there wasn’t a bible width of space between them. It doesn’t actually state he grabbed her and is a reaction to social shaming by the other commenter.
And those FB comments are not viewable by anyone other than her friends/family.
So we are hearing about those posts, at minimum, second hand.
re: #621 wrenchwench
OK, I have karma to spare, I’m throwing this out there:
Al Franken was mocking patriarchy by feigning a boob-grab on a woman wearing body armor.
Actually what it looks like—mocking gropieness. He hasn’t raised that defense, though, perhaps knowing it would be futile.
re: #617 wrenchwench
In the early 70s there was a local kids morning show personality in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area called Mr. Peppermint:
His son was Gibby Haynes, the founder/lead singer of the Butthole Surfers. Back in the day, he would show up at clubs where the band was playing to support his son. I always thought that was sweet/hilarious.
re: #619 Anymouse 🌹
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The colonel is a public official. He doesn’t have to like that SSM is legal but he sure as hell has to respect it. Fucking Franklin Graham.
re: #610 sagehen
And let’s treat everybody who smokes a joint as if they robbing pharmacies for Oxy. Somebody who doesn’t mow his front lawn often enough should be punished the same as the guy who’s had 3 rusted out old cars up on blocks for 8 years. Breaking a window is as bad as torching the house. Shoplifting a few candy bars is as bad as armed robbery of a jewelry store.
At some point, we have to understand that sliding scale or grading on a curve makes more sense than zero tolerance for misdemeanors. EVERYTHING ISN’T ALL THE SAME.
and a sincere unequivocable apology is not the same thing as tears and gawd forgave me (squinting at every pulpit hypocrite when they get caught with their pants down).
re: #623 Decatur Deb
Actually what it looks like—mocking gropieness. He hasn’t raised that defense, though, perhaps knowing it would be futile.
I would argue that it might actually make his situation worse, rather than the sincere apology he offered instead.
re: #624 Flying Squirrel Girl
In the early 70s there was a local kids morning show personality in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area called Mr. Peppermint:
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His son was Gibby Haynes, the founder/lead singer of the Butthole Surfers. Back in the day, he would show up at clubs where the band was playing to support his son. I always thought that was sweet/hilarious.
I raise you my childhood nightmare and a neighbor (Went to school with his son Ken)
re: #601 wrenchwench
If it’s Walter Cronkite next, I’ll eat my bicycle.
Well, Guiness has a record entry for that, but they say they won’t take any more entries in that category because they consider it potentially dangerous.
Strangest diet
Michel Lotito (France) (b. 15 June 1950) of Grenoble, France, known as Monsieur Mangetout, ate metal and glass from 1959 until his death last year. His diet since 1966 included 18 bicycles, 15 supermarket trolleys, seven TV sets, six chandeliers, two beds, a pair of skis, a low-calorie Cessna light aircraft and a computer. He is said to have provided the only example in history of a coffin (handles and all) ending up inside a man. By October 1997, he had eaten nearly nine tons of metal
re: #629 Anymouse 🌹
Well, Guiness has a record entry for that, but they say they won’t take any more entries in that category because they consider it potentially dangerous.
At least he had French bicycles to eat. I have a between-bankruptcies Schwinn made in Taiwan.
Ooops, can’t eat it. A customer just came in to have me help her eat some cookies so she wouldn’t eat too many. I have the best customers.
re: #630 wrenchwench
At least he had French bicycles to eat. I have a between-bankruptcies Schwinn made in Taiwan.
Ooops, can’t eat it. A customer just came in to have me help her eat some cookies so she wouldn’t eat too many. I have the best customers.
LOL. From Wikipedia about this fellow:
He was awarded a brass plaque by the Guinness Book to commemorate his abilities. He consumed it as well.
re: #631 Anymouse 🌹
LOL. From Wikipedia about this fellow:
Wikipedia can only maintain an article about him because he has passed (RIP).
re: #632 wrenchwench
Wikipedia can only maintain an article about him because he has passed (RIP).
good thing you added the (RIP) because after all that metal he ate, I did not want to know details on what he had passed…
re: #632 wrenchwench
Wikipedia can only maintain an article about him because he has passed (RIP).
Guy ate a whole Cessna 150. Someone also noted that the coffin he ate was probably the first time a coffin wound up inside a man (instead of the other way round).
Kentucky locks up more women than most states. Will lawmakers change that? https://t.co/g5D7YVs50A pic.twitter.com/Tu0F6OYq5D
— Bluegrass Politics (@BGPolitics) November 20, 2017
This guy …
US congressman Greg Gianforte misled police after his assault of Guardian reporter Ben Jacobs in May, falsely stating that Jacobs had initiated physical contact and that the “liberal media … is trying to make a story”, according to the police incident report.
The records, made public on Friday, provide new details on the violent altercation that occurred on the eve of a special election to fill Montana’s sole seat in the US House of Representatives. Jacobs had approached the then candidate at his Bozeman campaign headquarters to ask a question about the Republican healthcare bill when Gianforte threw him to the ground and punched him.
theguardian.com (more)
Alabama GOP steering committee statement: “We support Roy Moore as our nominee,” who has “vehemently denied the allegations.” The statement adds: “We ask God to guide us.”
— Steve Inskeep (@NPRinskeep) November 16, 2017
Dump him.
Consider yourself guided. https://t.co/D58oJwj2CM— God (@TheTweetOfGod) November 16, 2017
Me and the kitten have been very busy working today and contributing to the household in many ways! Ha, j/k we’ve been laying around doing nothing. It’s actually YOUR job to work for us, so..
— The Fucking Cat (@TheFuckingCat) November 20, 2017
We hear “What if Franken was a Republican,” but how about “What if Moore was a Democrat”? Would any of us look at the accusations made against him or (for argument’s sake) Doug Jones and argue that they could live with a sexual predator being elected so long as the seat went blue? Would any of us buy comparisons of the man to Jesus or the Founding Fathers (both comparisons made about Moore)? Or entertain the idea of suing a local paper for printing allegations made against Moore?
If the answer to any or all of these is “No,” then there’s no further argument. We are not in Franken’s corner because of the party he belongs to, we’re in his corner because we believe he deserves a fair hearing and the opportunity to defend himself.
re: #637 Backwoods_Sleuth
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i think they’re going with “vehemently denied” as the cover
Ugh
Slain border agent may have been beaten to death by rocks in ‘grisly scene,’ union leader says https://t.co/PNGzojxa04
— David Fahrenthold (@Fahrenthold) November 20, 2017
When the yam tweeted about it I automatically qustioned it.
LANSING, Mich. (AP) — An all-volunteer group of activists has defied the odds by collecting hundreds of thousands of voter signatures for a 2018 initiative to overhaul redistricting in Michigan — without having to pay a dime for a signature.
It’s a rarity in state politics outside of anti-abortion ballot drives, which have had a large base of support within churches and crucial organizational backing from Right to Life and other organizations.
The article goes on to say the group has far more signatures than required to get a ballot referendum in the next election.
re: #640 dangerman
i think they’re going with “vehemently denied” as the cover
of course they are…SHS already said it didn’t happen iffen ya don’t admit it…
re: #639 Targetpractice
We hear “What if Franken was a Republican,” but how about “What if Moore was a Democrat”? Would any of us look at the accusations made against him or (for argument’s sake) Doug Jones and argue that they could live with a sexual predator being elected so long as the seat went blue? Would any of us buy comparisons of the man to Jesus or the Founding Fathers (both comparisons made about Moore)? Or entertain the idea of suing a local paper for printing allegations made against Moore?
If the answer to any or all of these is “No,” then there’s no further argument. We are not in Franken’s corner because of the party he belongs to, we’re in his corner because we believe he deserves a fair hearing and the opportunity to defend himself.
yup
“our” reactions differ re: moore and franken because what they did was different.
not because of the party they belong to
“their” reactions differ because of the party each belongs to
their reactions are entirely, political and obvious to all.
The problem with tweets is they don’t give enough information. This fight is hardly over here (as I noted in the article I just wrote to the right).
BREAKING: Nebraska approves Keystone XL pipeline, creating 35 new jobs and making the Koch Brothers $100B richer
— The Daily Edge (@TheDailyEdge) November 20, 2017
I see our esteemed host just tweeted my article. Thank you Mr. Johnson.
re: #643 Backwoods_Sleuth
of course they are…SHS already said it didn’t happen iffen ya don’t admit it…
yeah but “vehemently”…watch:
you can argue with “denied”. He denied it. Yeah, of course he did. i still say he did it.
you cant argue with “vehemently” He vehemently denied it. Oh….
;-)
maybe i wasnt snarky enough the first time
re: #194 Stanley Sea
And Glenn Thrush has just been suspended by the NYT
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I would have suspended him for the hat.
re: #648 darthstar
I would have suspended him for the hat.
NotAllHats.
I sometimes wear a pink trilby in the middle of cowboy hat country.
re: #645 Anymouse 🌹
The problem with tweets is they don’t give enough information. This fight is hardly over here (as I noted in the article I just wrote to the right).
BREAKING: Nebraska approves Keystone XL pipeline, creating 35 new jobs and making the Koch Brothers $100B richer
35 whole jobs? not 3500, 35k, 35m? not a typo ///
As Donald Trump signed an executive order to advance construction on the Keystone XL Pipeline on January 24, he said the measure would create a “lot of jobs, 28,000 jobs, great construction jobs.”
re: #650 dangerman
It would provide many temporary construction jobs. The thirty-five represents the number of permanent jobs.
re: #484 Targetpractice
And what if nobody else comes forward? Or they do, but nothing more than lurid or horrific than what we’ve heard so far? Would you then agree that resignation is uncalled for?
Only Franken and his hypothetical other victims know if they exist or not. If they do, I would hope everyone would agree they should tell their stories if they want and should be believed. I think resignation would be appropriate now, but again, that is only my opinion and its Franken’s call. If more women come forward to say Franken forced kisses on them or grabbed their butts resignation would definitely be called for.
re: #505 Targetpractice
There’s also generally a pattern to the behavior. So far, the pattern is that Franken is a guy who has issues with inappropriate touching. That’s something that calls for counseling or sensitivity training, not capital punishment.
I think US Senators should be held to higher standards. And resignation is not even remotely capital punishment.
re: #511 dangerman
this is injecting a lot of politics where it maybe doesnt belong
if the MN gov was an R would you feel the same? if so, then why mention it at all?
I was responding to the claim that the Democrats would lose a vote in the Senate.
re: #652 Big Beautiful Door
Only Franken and his hypothetical other victims know if they exist or not. If they do, I would hope everyone would agree they should tell their stories if they want and should be believed. I think resignation would be appropriate now, but again, that is only my opinion and its Franken’s call. If more women come forward to say Franken forced kisses on them or grabbed their butts resignation would definitely be called for.
im gonna disagree
“Only Franken and his hypothetical other victims know if they exist or not.”
he may not know someone’s gonna decide to come forward with “he stuck his hand on my ass when we posed for a photo 7 years ago”.
and they should not be “believed”. what they should be is taken seriously, not summarily dismissed and an objective truth should be determined if at all possible.
re: #521 Bass Reeves
By the by, is there no other recourse than resignation?
Yes, I’ve said repeatedly that this is just my opinion, and its Franken’s call.
re: #654 Big Beautiful Door
I was responding to the claim that the Democrats would lose a vote in the Senate.
that’s my point. the political implications of resignation shouldnt matter. should they?
re: #655 dangerman
im gonna disagree
“Only Franken and his hypothetical other victims know if they exist or not.”he may not know someone’s gonna decide to come forward with “he stuck his hand on my ass when we posed for a photo 7 years ago”.
and they should not be “believed”. what they should be is taken seriously, not summarily dismissed and an objective truth should be determined if at all possible.
I’ll agree with that.
re: #657 dangerman
that’s my point. the political implications of resignation shouldnt matter. should they?
In a perfect world, no. In a world in which the GOP is trying to screw us six ways from Sunday, I’m afraid politics does matter. I don’t like that, but its reality. The other side is pure evil.
re: #652 Big Beautiful Door
Only Franken and his hypothetical other victims know if they exist or not. If they do, I would hope everyone would agree they should tell their stories if they want and should be believed. I think resignation would be appropriate now, but again, that is only my opinion and its Franken’s call. If more women come forward to say Franken forced kisses on them or grabbed their butts resignation would definitely be called for.
I agree that they should tell their stories and we should listen with an open mind.
I do not agree that we should just automatically believe them just because.
re: #590 dangerman
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re: #583 plf1953
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re: #635 Backwoods_Sleuth
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re: #639 Targetpractice
We hear “What if Franken was a Republican,” but how about “What if Moore was a Democrat”? Would any of us look at the accusations made against him or (for argument’s sake) Doug Jones and argue that they could live with a sexual predator being elected so long as the seat went blue? Would any of us buy comparisons of the man to Jesus or the Founding Fathers (both comparisons made about Moore)? Or entertain the idea of suing a local paper for printing allegations made against Moore?
If the answer to any or all of these is “No,” then there’s no further argument. We are not in Franken’s corner because of the party he belongs to, we’re in his corner because we believe he deserves a fair hearing and the opportunity to defend himself.
Thank you, that’s what I’ve been trying to say all day.
Yet, even with that logical argument, some people, here and elsewhere, want nothing short of Franken’s head on a pike outside on Capitol Hill, before all investigatory avenues have been pursued.
re: #644 dangerman
yup
“our” reactions differ re: moore and franken because what they did was different.
not because of the party they belong to“their” reactions differ because of the party each belongs to
their reactions are entirely, political and obvious to all.
Problem is, more than a few of “our” folks are falling into “their” trap.
re: #655 dangerman
and they should not be “believed”. what they should be is taken seriously, not summarily dismissed and an objective truth should be determined if at all possible.
This. This is such bullshit to treat witness testimony as the holy writ rather than test it for credibility.