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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2017 • 8:38:46pm

It’d be nice to have at least one day where Trump doesn’t make a complete ass of himself. Jesus Christ, this guy.

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2017 • 8:43:50pm

Hey, ObserverArt, a comment from my Daily Kos post:

This is a work of diabolical genius. Whoever came up with this, may I apprentice with you?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 20, 2017 • 8:46:37pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

It’d be nice to have at least one day where Trump doesn’t make a complete ass of himself. Jesus Christ, this guy.

Happy it’s only 845 here in California. He still has time to make an ass of himself on Twitter!

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2017 • 8:46:38pm

Colbert to Jeff Flake on his “toast” comment:

“Toast doesn’t cruise the mall looking for dough that hasn’t risen yet.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 20, 2017 • 8:49:53pm

The New York Post now has more pictures of Franken fondling Ariana Huffington…from 2000…and the Trumpettes are posting it all over Facebook…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2017 • 8:49:55pm

re: #3 Joe Bacon 🌹

Happy it’s only 845 here in California. He still has time to make an ass of himself on Twitter!

11 mins to go here in Va!

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JordanRules  Nov 20, 2017 • 8:51:10pm

re: #2 Belafon

Very cool and deserved! Thanks for sharing Belafon.

Nice work ObserverArt!!!!

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 20, 2017 • 8:55:39pm

From downstairs

re: #461 FormerDirtDart

Hmmm…
Well, I guess we now know who the “currently serving” Democrat member of Congress who was mentioned as having settled sexual harassment cases with tax payer money last week.

Got to say, that reads like a resignation is in order.

“… Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), the longest-serving current House member, reportedly settled a wrongful dismissal complaint in 2015 after a former employee accused him of firing her for resisting his “sexual advances.”

Four former staffers signed affidavits, three of which were notarized, saying that Conyers, the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, repeatedly made engaged in unwanted sexual behavior with his female staff, BuzzFeed News reported Monday night.

Documents examined by BuzzFeed described a wide-range of inappropriate conduct, including making requests for sexual favors, caressing and touching, as well as having his staff contact and transport women they believed were sexually involved with him.

Four unnamed sources who were involved with the case confirmed to BuzzFeed News that the documents are authentic. …”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2017 • 8:57:10pm

re: #8 FormerDirtDart

From downstairs

I’m saddened by that one. Conyers is a legend. It’s a shame to see his career end like this but I would agree, a resignation is in order here.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2017 • 8:58:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:00:07pm

re: #10 jaunte

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Conyers race has nothing to do with it. Just like Moore isn’t a reflection on all white Alabamans. Jones is a fine man who isn’t a creep. FO McLaughlin.

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Weaselone  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:00:22pm

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

The New York Post now has more pictures of Franken fondling Ariana Huffington…from 2000…and the Trumpettes are posting it all over Facebook…

????

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electrotek  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:01:26pm

Uh wut

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danarchy  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:02:11pm

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

The New York Post now has more pictures of Franken fondling Ariana Huffington…from 2000…and the Trumpets are posting it all over Facebook…

Arianna Huffington has pretty much made a statement saying this is a bunch of BS. It was a photo shoot and they were both hamming it up.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:03:29pm

re: #8 FormerDirtDart

Conyers is 88 years old. No fool like an old fool, I guess. Worse, he had probably been getting away with this for decades.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:03:39pm
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Weaselone  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:03:46pm

re: #13 electrotek

I’m assuming conflating two issues.
1. Christians are oppressed in the Middle East.
2. Australians from the Middle East voted disproportionately against the same sex marriage referendum in Australia.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:03:54pm

re: #12 Weaselone

????

pagesix.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:04:13pm

re: #15 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Conyers is 88 years old. No fool like an old fool, I guess. Worse, he had probably been getting away with this for decades.

Wouldn’t shock me. It doesn’t happen overnight.

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Weaselone  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:04:31pm

re: #14 danarchy

Arianna Huffington has pretty much made a statement saying this is a bunch of BS. It was a photo shoot and they were both hamming it up.

Ah thanks.

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electrotek  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:05:03pm

re: #17 Weaselone

I’m assuming conflating two issues.
1. Christians are oppressed in the Middle East.
2. Australians from the Middle East voted disproportionately against the same sex marriage referendum in Australia.

Only because NO ONE campaigned in the western Sydney suburbs to begin with.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:05:07pm

re: #14 danarchy

Arianna Huffington has pretty much made a statement saying this is a bunch of BS. It was a photo shoot and they were both hamming it up.

Yeah, but that ain’t stopping the Republigoons!

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:05:57pm

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

The New York Post now has more pictures of Franken fondling Ariana Huffington…from 2000…and the Trumpettes are posting it all over Facebook…

Ariana Huffington came out and said there was nothing wrong in the pictures.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:06:13pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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Which is why the mainstreaming of Andrew Breitbart whom you actually knew into this happy go lucky non bigot is so disgusting. Breitbart made political discussion worse and he’s not missed. Shame he died but he and the rest of us would been better far away from politics.

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teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:06:52pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

I had exactly one interaction with Andrew Breitbart on Twitter, I think it was about you?

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:07:18pm

“The notion that there was anything inappropriate in this photo shoot is truly absurd,” she said in a statement. “Al and I did a comedic sketch for Bill Maher’s Politically Incorrect called ‘Strange Bedfellows,’ in which the whole point, as the name makes clear, was that we were doing political commentary from bed. This shoot was looking back at the sketch, and we were obviously hamming it up for comedic effect.”
thedailybeast.com

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teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:07:51pm

re: #25 teleskiguy

What an embarrassing typo on my part.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:08:21pm

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:09:06pm
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electrotek  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:11:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:12:50pm

re: #30 electrotek

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Yep the Hispanics that Trump and Trumpers discriminate against are heavily Christian.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:13:05pm

Oligarch Thanksgiving Feast!

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Weaselone  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:13:48pm

re: #29 Joe Bacon 🌹

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So he’s suggesting that House districts in those states should be redrawn so that Democrats get more House Seats but with narrower margins? Proposal accepted.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:14:12pm

re: #25 teleskiguy

I had exactly one interaction with Andrew Breitbart on Twitter, I think it was about you?

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Yeah, “lizardoid” was the first name of my Twitter account, before I changed it to “Green_Footballs.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:15:10pm

Every group persecutes and it is persecuted in some way. Often times it’s the same group. Muslims didn’t implement the Penal Laws in Ireland. And the Taliban discriminated against Shia Afghanis when Dana Rohrabacher was praising them.

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teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:15:50pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Yeah, “lizardoid” was the first name of my Twitter account, before I changed it to “Green_Footballs.”

When I opened my Twitter account “lizardoid” was the first account I followed.

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TedStriker  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:18:35pm

After watching the Deadpool 2 teaser again, which is a damn funny riff on Bob Ross and The Joy of Painting, I click on this in YouTube’s “related” videos and got reacquainted with the real Bob Ross:

Bob Ross - Island in the Wilderness (Season 29 Episode 1)

I just intended to watch a few minutes while surfing, but ended up watching the whole show; it is amazing how fast he could do a damn fine painting.

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MsJ  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:18:44pm

re: #7 JordanRules

From downstairs.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:19:08pm

Dudebro privilege.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:20:46pm

LOL!

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MsJ  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:22:16pm

re: #14 danarchy

Arianna Huffington has pretty much made a statement saying this is a bunch of BS. It was a photo shoot and they were both hamming it up.

Which was obvious to anyone who looked at the photos.

But this is a two-fer for page six… Two liberals behaving ickily.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:23:04pm

These people.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:23:36pm

Wreaking!

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MsJ  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:23:58pm

re: #25 teleskiguy

BxKRKw/s3Mz1bIGs9bf0wbvDTQRpn5pJ7S2C7abyNz1hgsppERPxue5ZAAducFA03M5yQRLl796VkQpYrEawpAAAsn13AMiRiTO2lJQVlTOasNmGwAUYSztTrHFuufLZMZI9bgQ2w+lvKDfdSKCnSoI/loVs42wxz2in3v0a8U/vFOTHr47lSPT3qbWPKW3Czs62IYc32Tq4epdbiIkpa9SXTk7sz3PXcZtjdjfUynMqAyPFtEQItgrgUEx6i9EzzgCjWMQUfdL0bLc+UrA8MQ==

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:24:01pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:24:06pm

re: #448 Belafon

I did the motorcycle thing for a year, until I laid mine down and cracked my fibula. I decided I just don’t have the temperament for riding: I want to get to point B as soon as possible. I have never enjoyed the ride.

I try not to speed, and I use my cruise control a lot to keep myself from doing it. But I will do whatever I can to get passed people who drive past me fast and then drop to ten mph below the speed limit when they approach a semi. It drives me nuts.

The best man for my first wedding was my best friend in the Navy. Before my wedding, he had a car pull out in front of him on Normandy Blvd. in Jacksonville; he laid his bike down in the median to avoid the car. The only thing that saved his legs was he had roll bars on his motorcycle; nevertheless, he was severely injured and spent months in the hospital. He still uses a walker to this day. He was mustered out of the Navy disabled and now lives in Texas.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:24:23pm

re: #38 MsJ

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:24:44pm

Mueller has a lot of people shaken.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:25:00pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

These people.

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Is that why the Democrats just won big two weeks ago? Stupid analogy by a stupid person.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:25:57pm

re: #39 jaunte

Dudebro privilege.

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Dudebros are the worst. So pathetically smug.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:26:19pm

Young Phone, Who Dis

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:27:19pm
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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:27:29pm

Posobiec is really going after me tonight. I just blocked him to keep him from retweeting me any more.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:28:19pm
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Belafon  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:29:12pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

I suspect there’s some projection going on here.

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:29:24pm

Your next, LIBTARD!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:29:46pm

re: #52 jaunte

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That’s why we talk about white privilege. Trump’s race wasn’t used when the allegations came out against him. If Conyers is a pig, he’s a pig but it’s got nothing to do with “different culture.”

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jaunte  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:30:13pm

Get A Brain, Morans!

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teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:30:17pm

Charles, I don’t know how you do it. I’m guessing the skin got ultra-thick during the Great LGF Creationist Purge and got thicker from there.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:30:56pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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Says someone who loves Trump and probably believes Moore. I wish these assholes would go back to crying about how women don’t like them alone.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:31:24pm

re: #59 teleskiguy

Charles, I don’t know how you do it. I’m guessing the skin got ultra-thick during the Great LGF Creationist Purge and got thicker from there.

I’ll second that. There’s a reason why I don’t tweet.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:33:06pm
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fern01  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:35:06pm

I don’t know what is real or lies anymore. Social Media and MSM - all seem to say what suits their end result. This is the world brought to us by donald trump

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:36:10pm

re: #63 fern01

I don’t know what is real or lies anymore. Social Media and MSM - all seem to say what suits their end result. This is the world brought to us by donald trump

I fear Trump clones being elected but without his idiocy.

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Belafon  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:37:12pm

re: #63 fern01

I don’t know what is real or lies anymore. Social Media and MSM - all seem to say what suits their end result. This is the world brought to us by donald trump

It’s also the world that brought us Donald Trump. It has been there for a while, fueled by Fox and the idea that whites deserved to be treated as betters because they were white.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:39:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:40:09pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

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Twitter really needs to stop those lists. They’re an invitation for harassment.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:40:21pm

re: #65 Belafon

It’s also the world that brought us Donald Trump. It has been there for a while, fueled by Fox and the idea that whites deserved to be treated as betters because they were white.

Certainly.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:46:09pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Twitter really needs to stop those lists. They’re an invitation for harassment.

Libertarians, information’s “gotta be free.” As long as those lists make them money, Twitter won’t get rid of them (note Jack Posobiac is still there, along with the Nazis, David Duke, &c).

Twitter is worthwhile to look at for good things I might come across and share, but it is a Dumpster fire of racism, misogamy, hatred, stalking, and I have absolutely no desire to ever EVER open an account there (plus, my ex-wife is on Twitter).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:49:36pm

re: #69 Anymouse 🌹

Libertarians, information’s “gotta be free.” As long as those lists make them money, Twitter won’t get rid of them (note Jack Posobiac is still there, along with the Nazis, David Duke, &c).

Twitter is worthwhile to look at for good things I might come across and share, but it is a Dumpster fire of racism, misogamy, hatred, stalking, and I have absolutely no desire to ever EVER open an account there (plus, my ex-wife is on Twitter).

I’m aware. Just stating my opinion.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:51:35pm

A fake Twitter account was created with my son’s name in July. It has not sent a tweet yet. My son insists it is not his. He is the only person in the USA with his name combination considering his name is an uncommon Welsh first name and a very uncommon Polish last name.

Sleeper account?

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MsJ  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:51:37pm

re: #69 Anymouse 🌹

What kind of car did you get to replace the Smart?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:52:58pm

re: #72 MsJ

What kind of car did you get to replace the Smart?

My Smart was repaired. We’re still driving the same car. (We drove a rental Ford Expedition for a month provided by our car insurance company - it was like driving our living room around our dirt roads.)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 20, 2017 • 9:57:22pm

The Edwards Ham arrived a couple hours ago. Just removed it from the ice packs and we will serve this at our gang’s Thanksgiving dinner…

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TedStriker  Nov 20, 2017 • 10:04:00pm

re: #74 Joe Bacon 🌹

The Edwards Ham arrived a couple hours ago. Just removed it from the ice packs and we will serve this at our gang’s Thanksgiving dinner…

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Ham should have bones in it, though I get that it’s better (and cheaper) for shipping cross-country if it’s boneless; I’m a Clifty Farm man myself, just straight-up Tennessee country ham.

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VegasGolfer  Nov 20, 2017 • 10:25:53pm

nytimes.com
NY Times says Franken should go.
Unbelievable these guys.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 20, 2017 • 10:28:21pm

Speaking of Lubbock, they have had a couple of bomb scares in the last 2 days.

Bomb Threat Reported at Lubbock Bank Location, 19th and Quaker
It was apparently part of a robbery attempt. This is the suspect:


There was one on the Texas Tech campus yesterday:
TTU Police Investigating Suspicious Package at Dorm
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TedStriker  Nov 20, 2017 • 10:44:52pm

re: #76 VegasGolfer

nytimes.com
NY Times says Franken should go.
Unbelievable these guys.

That op-ed is a steaming load of contradictory bullshit and “OMGWTFBBQ the Republicans will use Franken against us at every turn from here on out unless we force him out NOW!”, topped off with a stiff dose of wrong-headed “feminism”:

[…]The feminist Jacobin in me thinks: Who cares? Replace them all with women! But I doubt this frenzied moment ends with the collapse of patriarchy. Like Rebecca Traister, a New York magazine writer, I worry that there will be overreach and then a fierce and ugly backlash, as men — but not only men — decide we can’t just go around ruining people’s lives and careers by retroactively imposing today’s sexual standards on past actions. Besides, as more and more men get swept up in this moment of reckoning, we’re going to have to figure out some mechanism by which those accused of offenses that fall short of assault can make amends and get their lives back.

So my first instinct is to say that Franken deserves a chance to go through an ethics investigation but remain in the Senate, where he should redouble his efforts on behalf of abuse and harassment victims. But if that happens, the current movement toward unprecedented accountability for sexual harassers will probably start to peter out. Republicans, never particularly eager to hold their own to account, will use Franken to deflect from more egregious abuse on their own side, like what Trump and Roy Moore are accused of. Women with stories about other members of Congress might hesitate to come forward. That horrifying photo of Franken will confront feminists every time they decry Trump’s boasts of grabbing women by the genitals. Democrats will have to worry about whether more damaging information will come out, and given the way scandals like this tend to unfold, it probably will.

It’s not worth it. The question isn’t about what’s fair to Franken, but what’s fair to the rest of us. I would mourn Franken’s departure from the Senate, but I think he should go, and the governor should appoint a woman to fill his seat. The message to men in power about sexual degradation has to be clear: We will replace you.

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fern01  Nov 20, 2017 • 10:51:02pm

re: #76 VegasGolfer

nytimes.com
NY Times says Franken should go.
Unbelievable these guys.

Like I said - they say what meets their desired end result. Have they invited trump to go - cause Franken is an angel compared to dear leader?

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retired cynic  Nov 20, 2017 • 11:09:12pm

Grey haired lady sez: This Franken thing was so successful that if it dies down a bit, there will be another. And then another. Got the “liberal media” baying like a pack of hounds and ignoring the tax monstrosity, the Moore horribleness, and all of the things that DT administration is doing without Congress to make our life less valuable in exchange for the few at the top gathering a few more coins to their hordes.

Bah, humbug.

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teleskiguy  Nov 20, 2017 • 11:15:21pm
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Nyet  Nov 21, 2017 • 12:43:05am

re: #78 TedStriker

> Replace them all with women

Sorry, lady, I don’t take sexists like you seriously.

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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2017 • 12:55:05am

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Ariana Huffington came out and said there was nothing wrong in the pictures.

They used to do a segment on politically incorrect called strange bedfellows back when Arianna was a republican. Sorry if this is a repeat. I’m behind so forgive me

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Kragar  Nov 21, 2017 • 1:10:38am
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Decatur Deb  Nov 21, 2017 • 2:38:29am

re: #82 Nyet

> Replace them all with women

Sorry, lady, I don’t take sexists like you seriously.

Mansplainer on aisle 3 !!1!

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Decatur Deb  Nov 21, 2017 • 2:51:04am

So who is this “Sunshine”?

Trump Hasn’t Fired Mueller Yet Because His Lawyer Is Blowing Sunshine

nymag.com

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Dave In Austin  Nov 21, 2017 • 2:51:23am
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Decatur Deb  Nov 21, 2017 • 2:53:23am

re: #87 Dave In Austin

It’s safe from me.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 21, 2017 • 3:09:10am

Something you model makers might enjoy

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Dave In Austin  Nov 21, 2017 • 3:11:56am

re: #88 Decatur Deb

Make sure to read the comments. Some funny stuff there.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 21, 2017 • 3:16:02am

I guess making ICE officers into stormtroopers is insufficient. Now, the feds are bribing local PDs to be immigration stool pigeons.

Any thoughts about the legality of this new policy? IANAL, but it stinks of unconstitutionality.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2017 • 3:19:23am

re: #78 TedStriker

That op-ed is a steaming load of contradictory bullshit and “OMGWTFBBQ the Republicans will use Franken against us at every turn from here on out unless we force him out NOW!”, topped off with a stiff dose of wrong-headed “feminism”:

They seem, at least to me, to have a few things backwards. If Franken gets kicked out now, wouldn’t that make women less likely to come forward if they think the infraction should only involve a reprimand and sensitivity training? And wouldn’t not following due process set a bad example?

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wheat-dogg  Nov 21, 2017 • 3:40:20am

re: #92 Belafon

They seem, at least to me, to have a few things backwards. If Franken gets kicked out now, wouldn’t that make women less likely to come forward if they think the infraction should only involve a reprimand and sensitivity training? And wouldn’t not following due process set a bad example?

Not to minimize what Franken did, but all this anguish over Franken benefits only Roy Moore and the GOP. As the Dems and liberals debate over what to do about Franken, and now Conyers, the GOP is proceeding apace to install Moore in the Senate and to pass their draconian tax bill.

We’re playing right into their hands. It’s “whataboutism” at the highest level.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 21, 2017 • 3:53:29am

re: #93 wheat-dogg

Not to minimize what Franken did, but all this anguish over Franken benefits only Roy Moore and the GOP. As the Dems and liberals debate over what to do about Franken, and now Conyers, the GOP is proceeding apace to install Moore in the Senate and to pass their draconian tax bill.

We’re playing right into their hands. It’s “whataboutism” at the highest level.

Perhaps if he stands on a chair on the National Mall, wearing a placard…

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 21, 2017 • 3:54:48am

25° F here in upstate NY, and I saw someone on a motorcycle during my ride into work. Apparently he or she is in the running for a 2017 Darwin Award, since it was freezing fog last night. I draw the line riding at 50° F, and that is with all my leathers on. You still get cold where you didn’t even think you could get cold.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 21, 2017 • 4:02:33am

re: #95 Shropshire Slasher

25° F here in upstate NY, and I saw someone on a motorcycle during my ride into work. Apparently he or she is in the running for a 2017 Darwin Award, since it was freezing fog last night. I draw the line riding at 50° F, and that is with all my leathers on. You still get cold where you didn’t even think you could get cold.

One beautiful May I set out from our base in North Jersey for a class at Aberdeen, MD. On the return, 2 weeks later, the sleet started at Philadelphia. When I made it to a diner near the NY border, I had to break the ice off my snowmobile suit.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 21, 2017 • 4:03:12am

Lumpy thread…

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2017 • 4:15:26am

re: #97 Dave In Austin

Lumpy thread…

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How to deal with your liberal relatives? Step one: Stop listening to guys like Sean Hannity.

Failing that, do what you did in ‘08 and ‘12: Avoid them entirely, making up excuses about sickness or work, and then spend the day amongst fellow wingnuts talking about the latest Clinton conspiracies over the cheapest fast food you can find.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 21, 2017 • 4:52:04am
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wheat-dogg  Nov 21, 2017 • 5:06:54am

Things are going south in Eastern Ukraine (again). Luhansk, where I have several friends, was relatively free of trouble these past two years, while Donetsk Oblast to the south still has sporadic fighting between Ukraine and Russian-backed forces. Now, it seems Luhansk has undergone some sort of Moscow-backed coup.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 21, 2017 • 5:12:16am

re: #76 VegasGolfer

nytimes.com
NY Times says Franken should go.
Unbelievable these guys.

Franken can go right after Trump goes.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 21, 2017 • 5:14:03am
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jeffreyw  Nov 21, 2017 • 5:18:58am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Dave In Austin  Nov 21, 2017 • 5:23:35am
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dangerman  Nov 21, 2017 • 5:24:29am

an observation re the Virginia House of Delegate Election

…it was discovered that 83 (or more) voters were incorrectly assigned from the 28th House District to the 88th.

it sounds to me like that means all those people voted for the wrong delegate

ie not their delegate

and they didnt know - because obviously no one said anything

the conclusions are not comforting

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Dave In Austin  Nov 21, 2017 • 5:25:10am
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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 21, 2017 • 5:25:19am

dailykos.com

If you have a DailyKos account please rec up this diary (not mine) about the tax posters.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 21, 2017 • 5:29:57am

re: #76 VegasGolfer

nytimes.com
NY Times says Franken should go.
Unbelievable these guys.

This is an opinion piece not an official editorial. There are lizards (not me) who also share that view about Franken. It represents the view of a single columnist. After all, David Brooks and Ross Douthat write for them too — and they are not assumed to represent NY Times official positions.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 21, 2017 • 5:30:31am
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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 5:30:34am
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Dave In Austin  Nov 21, 2017 • 5:32:13am

Today’s Nope in Social Media…….

No… No no no….

No

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 21, 2017 • 5:34:30am

re: #110 JordanRules

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How does this differ from every other selection (except Mad Dog) of this administration? He picks the worst of the worst and his goal is to become President for Life.

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 5:39:11am

re: #112 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s not any different.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2017 • 5:53:12am

re: #78 TedStriker

That op-ed is a steaming load of contradictory bullshit and “OMGWTFBBQ the Republicans will use Franken against us at every turn from here on out unless we force him out NOW!”, topped off with a stiff dose of wrong-headed “feminism”:

The argument of the “Toss Franken” crowd is changing as the initial “outrage” slacks off, from “THIS WAS SO OUTRAGEOUS, HE NEEDS TO GO!!!” to “IF HE DOESN’T GO, THEN WE PLAY RIGHT INTO THEIR HANDS!!!!”

Meanwhile, none of them can explain what to do if Franken resigns and Moore still gets elected. What then, they bash their heads against the wall demanding he resign? Or perhaps they’re delusional enough to think that any Republicans who face allegations of sexual harassment/assault will follow Franken’s example rather than arguing that the voters (read: their base) are cool with that behavior because they elected Moore?

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2017 • 5:55:25am

re: #105 dangerman

an observation re the Virginia House of Delegate Election

it sounds to me like that means all those people voted for the wrong delegate

ie not their delegate

and they didnt know - because obviously no one said anything

the conclusions are not comforting

let me be clear

i dont care that they got the wrong form - mistakes happen

i care that they didnt know they got the wrong form

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:05:34am
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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:08:14am

re: #95 Shropshire Slasher

. You still get cold where you didn’t even think you could get cold.

I can remember riding back to college either late Oct/early Nov in 1986ish, 45 degrees, in blue jeans, regular army boots, blue jean jacket, gloves and helmet. Temp kept dropping and started snowing as I got about an hour out of St Cloud. Talk about the proverbial young and dumb…

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:09:03am

re: #2 Belafon

Hey, ObserverArt, a comment from my Daily Kos post:

Nice! A good post to start the day.

I hope they are making their way around.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:10:18am

re: #110 JordanRules

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Good news, Bernie Bros, Trump is going to repay your “morally righteous” decision to sit out the election or vote third party by making your vote count for even less! Rejoice!

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:10:52am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:11:27am

re: #119 Targetpractice

Good news, Bernie Bros, Trump is going to repay your “morally righteous” decision to sit out the election or vote third party by making your vote count for even less! Rejoice!

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Yeah, and fuck Jill Stein too.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:12:42am

re: #114 Targetpractice

The argument of the “Toss Franken” crowd is changing as the initial “outrage” slacks off, from “THIS WAS SO OUTRAGEOUS, HE NEEDS TO GO!!!” to “IF HE DOESN’T GO, THEN WE PLAY RIGHT INTO THEIR HANDS!!!!”

Meanwhile, none of them can explain what to do if Franken resigns and Moore still gets elected. What then, they bash their heads against the wall demanding he resign? Or perhaps they’re delusional enough to think that any Republicans who face allegations of sexual harassment/assault will follow Franken’s example rather than arguing that the voters (read: their base) are cool with that behavior because they elected Moore?

The Republicans actually don’t care about Moore’s attraction to teenagers. The GOP expressed similar outrage about Trump after the Access Hollywood tape and now — silence, with the exception of the true Never Trumpers. The only sin that the GOP won’t forgive is an interest in boys rather than girls. But all they want is another body who votes for tax cuts for the wealthy. Their only concern was that Moore might lose, not that his views on issues are outrageous and his private behavior was criminal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:13:18am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:16:14am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:16:57am
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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:17:25am

re: #122 Hecuba’s daughter

The Republicans actually don’t care about Moore’s attraction to teenagers. The GOP expressed similar outrage about Trump after the Access Hollywood tape and now — silence, with the exception of the true Never Trumpers. The only sin that the GOP won’t forgive is an interest in boys rather than girls. But all they want is another body who votes for tax cuts for the wealthy. Their only concern was that Moore might lose, not that his views on issues are outrageous and his private behavior was criminal.

Exactly, forcing Franken’s resignation is not going to magically change the political landscape so that every politician will have to take such matters seriously and resign if accused. What it will do is reinforce the lopsided system where Democrats are expected to fall on their swords and forever be shamed, while Republicans simply weather the storm and then get reelected because keeping the seat is more important than the morality of the actions alleged.

The only reason Goodman resigned is for exactly the reason highlighted: He was chasing after and assaulting men and young boys, and that’s the line that you cannot cross in the GOP. If you chase little girls, you’re good so long as they don’t press charges.

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fern01  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:20:16am

Completely off topic - and probably not relevant but on my side of the world we have a state election next Saturday. The date was announced 4 weeks ago - so that is the length of the campaign. Leaders of the two major parties have been travelling around the state making pronouncements that some folks may have heard. A RWNJ leader of a third party is making RWNJ pronouncements and her party may win a few seats.

The 6 o’clock news has about 5 minutes each evening related to the election & there have been a few TV ads. I’ve received no emails and no phone calls but have got 1 snail mail letter from the party currently in government and 3 from the current opposition party.

Voting is compulsory - but I’m not too sure that anyone much cares who wins.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:20:30am

Some of you were commenting about Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies earlier. One that I invested in, NXT, just doubled in value in the last three days. Taking a little bit off the top to make my bank account happier.

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makeitstop  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:20:33am

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Lavar is trolling Trump like a pro. It’s all about the brand-building.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:21:44am
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wheat-dogg  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:22:32am

re: #129 makeitstop

Lavar is trolling Trump like a pro. It’s all about the brand-building.

He knows how to play Trump, like all those veteran world leaders. Trump just walks into it all, like stepping on the proverbial rake.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:22:35am

I had my TV on watching MSNBC before crashing last night. When I woke this morning and flipped it on it was Morning Joke time. I saw this bit by Mika regarding Al Franken and thought it was a pretty good take. Surprising in some ways.

Of course, much of it was very similar to our discussions here. Women seem to be handling this better as far as what is going on and seem more realistic than some men in their reactions and debate.

I image that comes from having discussed this through their entire lives away from men.

Have a listen…

Iframe

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:24:22am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:25:04am

re: #131 wheat-dogg

He knows how to play Trump, like all those veteran world leaders. Trump just walks into it all, like stepping on the proverbial rake.

What was it Hillary said? That you could provoke him with a tweet? Temperament wise, I don’t think we’ve ever had someone so profoundly unfit.

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William Lewis  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:29:11am

OT: Don’t know if it’s a legit quote, don’t really care, laughed my ass off anyway.

The two most important days of our lives:

1. The day we were born
2. The day we found out why

—Mark Twain

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:40:13am

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Speaking of Lubbock, they have had a couple of bomb scares in the last 2 days.

Bomb Threat Reported at Lubbock Bank Location, 19th and Quaker
It was apparently part of a robbery attempt. This is the suspect:

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There was one on the Texas Tech campus yesterday:
TTU Police Investigating Suspicious Package at Dorm

What? I guess in a state full of guns you have to up the game…so bombs.

That way everyone in the building is in danger which includes good guys with guns that would stop a robber with a gun.

Next up: “I have a small tactical nuke on me, give me all the money or this city goes boom!”

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Weaselone  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:47:12am

re: #114 Targetpractice

Franken followed the correct path by demanding an ethics investigation. It’s a precedent that once set will be difficult for the GOP not to follow, as on it’s face it’s completely reasonable and looks unreasonable and pointless to weasel your way out of. This should deter fake accusations (if any) and expose those politicians who are scumbags.

If Moore wins, he should immediately get his own ethics investigation.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:50:26am

re: #92 Belafon

They seem, at least to me, to have a few things backwards. If Franken gets kicked out now, wouldn’t that make women less likely to come forward if they think the infraction should only involve a reprimand and sensitivity training? And wouldn’t not following due process set a bad example?

Franken isn’t going to get kicked out now. Its extremely unlikely that expulsion will even be considered unless the investigation uncovers a lot more dirt we haven’t heard about yet. No Senator has been expelled in over 150 years.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:52:31am

re: #137 Weaselone

Franken followed the correct path by demanding an ethics investigation. It’s a precedent that once set will be difficult for the GOP not to follow, as on it’s face it’s completely reasonable and looks unreasonable and pointless to weasel your way out of. This should deter fake accusations (if any) and expose those politicians who are scumbags.

Exactly. Franken called for an investigation, he did not yield to demands for one or try to weasel his way out. He has signaled his willingness to weather whatever coal-raking the commitee (ruled by the GOP) will subject him to, even if it could mean censure or expulsion. Meanwhile, the GOP leadership is visibly trying to weasel their way out of Moore even being elected, with no real commitment to dealing with the allegations should he win.

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:54:09am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:55:36am

re: #128 wheat-dogg

Some of you were commenting about Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies earlier. One that I invested in, NXT, just doubled in value in the last three days. Taking a little bit off the top to make my bank account happier.

A friend was discussing this at dinner last night; he doesn’t understand them at all but he does believe in them, and dismisses those of us who are skeptics. OTOH he actually doesn’t use them.

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:56:08am

re: #140 JordanRules

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Great minds and all……

Someone’s gotta tweet over our work!

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:58:04am
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:59:02am

FWIW:

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 6:59:07am

re: #142 dangerman

Definitely! The more the merrier!

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:00:00am

re: #129 makeitstop

Lavar is trolling Trump like a pro. It’s all about the brand-building.

Two cons go in…one con comes out.

Hmmm. LaVar Tower.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:02:50am

re: #136 ObserverArt

What? I guess in a state full of guns you have to up the game…so bombs.

That way everyone in the building is in danger which includes good guys with guns that would stop a robber with a gun.

Next up: “I have a small tactical nuke on me, give me all the money or this city goes boom!”

It worked for Princess Leia when she was disguised as a bounty hunter in that confrontation with Jabba the Hutt.

Because He’s holding a Thermal Detonator!!

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:03:01am

Overview of my Twitter Timeline, RSS Feed and WhatsApp chat groups so far this morning…
Tax Scam
Russia Investigation
Lavar Ball Brand

Not much Franken at all.

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:04:45am
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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:05:25am

re: #148 JordanRules

Overview of my Twitter Timeline, RSS Feed and WhatsApp chat groups so far this morning…
Tax Scam
Russia Investigation
Lavar Ball Brand

Not much Franken at all.

The Franken mess might still have some “umph” to it if he was resisting any investigation or even attacking the victims. But he’s owned up to stupid actions and is signaling a willingness to take his lumps. Not much of a story there, aside from those who want a scalp for one reason or another.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:06:37am

re: #150 Targetpractice

The Franken mess might still have some “umph” to it if he was resisting any investigation or even attacking the victims. But he’s owned up to stupid actions and is signaling a willingness to take his lumps. Not much of a story there, aside from those who want a scalp for one reason or another.

He’s handled it I think the best of all the men accused so far.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:08:18am

re: #151 HappyWarrior

He’s handled it I think the best of all the men accused so far.

If anything, he’s actually managed to make himself a sympathetic character at a time when the running theme is “All men are monsters and women the constant victims of sexual attacks.”

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:09:55am

MassResistance Wants To Gross America Out With Book About Gay Sex

MassResistance, a vehemently anti-LGBTQ group, has published a nearly 600-page tome called “The Health Hazards of Homosexuality: What the Medical and Psychological Research Reveals,” which it promoted and sold at last weekend’s Values Voter Summit. In the foreword, MassResistance leader Brian Camenker calls it “a unique resource on an untouchable subject.”

In 2015, Camenker spoke at an anti-gay gathering and said that conservative Christians need to view the fight against the LGBTQ movement “as a war, not a church service.”

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:14:19am

re: #117 William Lewis

I can remember riding back to college either late Oct/early Nov in 1986ish, 45 degrees, in blue jeans, regular army boots, blue jean jacket, gloves and helmet. Temp kept dropping and started snowing as I got about an hour out of St Cloud. Talk about the proverbial young and dumb…

caught in the snow and cold more times than i care to remember
mostly when i was young and inexperienced (ok, dumb)
and many times when i just wouldnt read the weather

2007 early september leaving florida
summertime right?
to montana to idaho.
there’s this thing called the continental divide
it’s awfully high up
it snows up there
in the summer
fortunately i had all the right gear - towing a trailer and all
three hours of slippery wetness and blowing visual obscurity and sub 40 degrees

come out the other side and start to descend
peel off some layers
aaah
it was all sorta worth it

looking back so many stories im surprised i survived

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:27:48am
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:28:35am

I trust I won’t upset anyone if I express the opinion that John Conyers ought to resign?

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:40:30am

Obviously before the dementia set in

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:47:59am

re: #156 Big Beautiful Door

I trust I won’t upset anyone if I express the opinion that John Conyers ought to resign?

Upset? Nah. But is this not too soon?

Fox News has not independently confirmed the allegations, and Conyers’ office did not respond to a request for comment.

Confirmed allegations of that kind sure. Outta there.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:53:29am

re: #158 Unshaken Defiance

Upset? Nah. But is this not too soon?

Confirmed allegations of that kind sure. Outta there.

Buzzfeed News says it has independently confirmed with the victim and several other witnesses, so I don’t think its too soon, unless it turns out Buzzfeed is lying.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:53:54am

re: #155 FormerDirtDart

One issue we have with this shift is that non famous powerful men are not yet implicated. For every famous or highly placed politician is surely there are a hundred COO, CEO, even late mart shift manager types that have done worse than grabbed butts. This needs to get a lot less political and go more retail so to speak.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:55:15am

re: #157 FormerDirtDart

Obviously before the dementia set in

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He was a jackass in those days but he was a coherent one.

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:55:42am

re: #157 FormerDirtDart

This is such a great piece!
Here’s a good thread with some excerpts.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:57:05am

re: #160 Unshaken Defiance

One issue we have with this shift is that non famous powerful men are not yet implicated. For every famous or highly placed politician is surely there are a hundred COO, CEO, even late mart shift manager types that have done worse than grabbed butts. This needs to get a lot less political and go more retail so to speak.

I agree; we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg. Most women subjected to harassment aren’t harassed by famous people whose shenanigans will generate headline news, so even if they go public their stories won’t generate the kind of publicity that can force corrective action.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:58:53am

re: #160 Unshaken Defiance

One issue we have with this shift is that non famous powerful men are not yet implicated. For every famous or highly placed politician is surely there are a hundred COO, CEO, even late mart shift manager types that have done worse than grabbed butts. This needs to get a lot less political and go more retail so to speak.

Absolutely.

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:59:45am
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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 21, 2017 • 7:59:54am

re: #159 Big Beautiful Door

I’m catching up, hence the specific quote. And again, yes when these things are confirmed it’s a whole new ball game.

The following is not aimed at you or anyone here, but the tone online and on air. It’s just that those factual or logical walls are sometimes absent or vanishingly thin this week. A grabbed butt is in the same paragraph as far more consequential sexual misdeeds. An the elephant in the room has not fount the exit yet either.

I feel like the most brazen, outspoken profane powerful violator of womens rights maybe outta be in more of the coverage out there. That makes it harder for me to take lessor sins so seriously in a partisan atmosphere.

Change starts at the top in a hierarchy, and that’s what we live in.

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plansbandc  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:02:52am

It’s boggles my mind that one person on a whim can say, “All of you need to leave” to sixty thousand people. It disgusts me beyond measure that this is happening in our country.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:03:31am

Interesting thread.

Six remaining tweets hidden

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:06:08am

Convenient

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:06:48am

re: #156 Big Beautiful Door

I trust I won’t upset anyone if I express the opinion that John Conyers ought to resign?

Well, maybe Conyers….

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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:07:43am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Looks like misogynists and pigs are still pigs, and they’re all over the place rooting in the shite:

Yeah, this is what qualifies as deep thoughts by right wingers.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:12:42am

re: #171 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Looks like misogynists and pigs are still pigs, and they’re all over the place rooting in the shite:

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Yeah, this is what qualifies as deep thoughts by right wingers.

“Making a pass” would be asking someone for a date, and respectfully accepting “no” for an answer. Parading around naked in front of an assistant isn’t “making a pass.” Even asking your employee for a date is problematic because how can she say no without wondering if its going to get her fired or otherwise adversely affect her job?

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Interesting Times  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:16:07am

re: #171 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Looks like misogynists and pigs are still pigs, and they’re all over the place rooting in the shite:

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Yeah, this is what qualifies as deep thoughts by right wingers.

That mentality also underlies their support of a rapist’s “right” to procreate (i.e. by denying the victim an abortion). durr hurr gift from god and all that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:16:28am

re: #171 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Looks like misogynists and pigs are still pigs, and they’re all over the place rooting in the shite:

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Yeah, this is what qualifies as deep thoughts by right wingers.

And I’m descended from so many youngest children. I still support access to birth control, Johnny.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:17:18am

re: #172 Big Beautiful Door

“Making a pass” would be asking someone for a date, and respectfully accepting “no” for an answer. Parading around naked in front of an assistant isn’t “making a pass.” Even asking your employee for a date is problematic because how can she say no without wondering if its going to get her fired or otherwise adversely affect her job?

Exactly. I wish people mostly other men would stop trying to rationalize this shit.

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:21:16am
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nicdanger  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:22:04am

re: #107 bill d. (b.d.)

dailykos.com

If you have a DailyKos account please rec up this diary (not mine) about the tax posters.

done.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:25:51am

re: #176 JordanRules

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Watch Governor Baker denounce this if he ever runs for President, the way Romney had to renounce his own healthcare plan.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:25:53am

Only the best stickies….

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:28:04am

I was listening to Pod Save America this morning, and they mentioned another Crooked Media podcast, Pod Save The People, hosted by Deray.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:28:52am

re: #156 Big Beautiful Door

I trust I won’t upset anyone if I express the opinion that John Conyers ought to resign?

If you get a chance try to listen to the Morning Joe video I put up in #re: #132 ObserverArt

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:28:52am

re: #178 Big Beautiful Door

Watch Governor Baker denounce this if he ever runs for President, the way Romney had to renounce his own healthcare plan.

I remember a friend from Mass showing me ads of Romney trying to out liberal Ted Kennedy on LGBT rights. Oh how the times changed.

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:29:45am

re: #180 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s really well done.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:33:42am

OK, only click if you feel you can survive feeling pretty horrible for at least the rest of the day.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:34:54am

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:35:02am

And now the FCC moves to kill Net Neutrality…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:35:37am

re: #183 JordanRules

It’s really well done.

I’m listening to it now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:36:12am

re: #186 Joe Bacon 🌹

And now the FCC moves to kill Net Neutrality…

Maybe after companies start charging left and right for shit some folks will think twice before voting GOP.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:36:19am

re: #185 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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I call her Millenial Coulter. She’s not original at all. There’s too many of these damn wingnut millenial types who think they’re edgy but they’re actually pompous assholes.

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:36:44am

So we all want huge wins in the midterms next year, but which Congress critter being ousted would give you the most joy?

Ryan is definitely in my top 3.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:38:10am

re: #184 FormerDirtDart

OK, only click if you feel you can survive feeling pretty horrible for at least the rest of the day.

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I’m going to keep telling myself they found a finger.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:40:19am
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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:40:22am

re: #184 FormerDirtDart

OK, only click if you feel you can survive feeling pretty horrible for at least the rest of the day.

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I had a sick feeling something like this may have been the case when the military refused the window from seeing his body.

Can you image the tweets from Trump (and others) if all of that had gone down just the same under Obama and Clinton?

Damn.

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John Carter  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:40:23am

re: #64 HappyWarrior

I fear Trump clones being elected but without his idiocy.

I am not sure there is another Trump out there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:41:50am

re: #171 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Looks like misogynists and pigs are still pigs, and they’re all over the place rooting in the shite:

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Yeah, this is what qualifies as deep thoughts by right wingers.

Okay, Podhoretz expressed it badly, but he does point to something that has long been true in our society - people who don’t marry their High School Sweetheart, or their College Sweetheart, tend to meet the person they marry at their workplace. Since most folks spend at least 1/2 of their waking hours there, it’s probably their largest social interaction (especially if, like me, you’re introverted and get ‘peopled out’ by the end of a work day)

While we rightly recognize that power relationships complicate the very concept of consent, we can’t all find the person we want outside the workplace, or outside of our reporting tree.

This is what I mean when I say things are a spectrum. At one end you have Weinstein. At the other you have a thoroughly consensual relationship between coworkers at the same level. In between you have literally every workplace relationship, and that’s a LARGE percentage of all relationships. I feel like this is an under-addressed aspect of the whole thing.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:42:57am

re: #190 JordanRules

So we all want huge wins in the midterms next year, but which Congress critter being ousted would give you the most joy?

Ryan is definitely in my top 3.

Ryan would be awesome. Uh any of the Freedom Caucus guys would be good. Bunch of assholes that even a lot of R’s can’t stand. Senate wise? Cruz not just because he’s awful but because I like O’Rourke a lot too.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:43:48am

re: #190 JordanRules

So we all want huge wins in the midterms next year, but which Congress critter being ousted would give you the most joy?

Ryan is definitely in my top 3.

Ted Cruz (not impossible!)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:43:56am

re: #194 John Carter

I am not sure there is another Trump out there.

Well what I meant is other candidates that rely on xenophobia and the such.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:44:52am

Steve King would be great too. I hate that racist prick with a passion. Modern day Pitchfork Ben Tillman with how racist he is. Gohmert is a racist asshole too but he’s more stupid than outright vile like King is.

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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:45:00am

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

The thing that Podhoretz ignores is that we’re distinguishing between consensual relations and actions and nonconsensual ones.

The former is fine - and the latter isn’t.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:45:08am

re: #189 HappyWarrior

I call her Millenial Coulter. She’s not original at all. There’s too many of these damn wingnut millenial types who think they’re edgy but they’re actually pompous assholes.

What amazes me about some of the younger conservoheads is they have the attitudes of a 70 year old cranky conservative pundit who has been through years of political wars.

How does someone 25 get to that point of frustrating political experience? Easy. Copy others that are making money. In other words they are just bad actors looking to get paid.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:45:26am

Hey, Tammy! Happy Holidays!

Oh, you’re offended? Now watch me kneeling quietly during the National Anthem.

Oh, golly, you seem triggered!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:46:53am
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:47:50am

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, Podhoretz expressed it badly, but he does point to something that has long been true in our society - people who don’t marry their High School Sweetheart, or their College Sweetheart, tend to meet the person they marry at their workplace. Since most folks spend at least 1/2 of their waking hours there, it’s probably their largest social interaction (especially if, like me, you’re introverted and get ‘peopled out’ by the end of a work day)

While we rightly recognize that power relationships complicate the very concept of consent, we can’t all find the person we want outside the workplace, or outside of our reporting tree.

This is what I mean when I say things are a spectrum. At one end you have Weinstein. At the other you have a thoroughly consensual relationship between coworkers at the same level. In between you have literally every workplace relationship, and that’s a LARGE percentage of all relationships. I feel like this is an under-addressed aspect of the whole thing.

I think we can all agree that if you are a fifty something married guy “making a pass” at your twenty something assistant in her first job barely making enough to live on that is not ok.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:49:23am

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

Heh, some of the replies to that CBS tweet are fantastic.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:49:37am

re: #201 ObserverArt

What amazes me about some of the younger conservoheads have the attitudes of a 70 year old cranky conservative pundit who has been through years of political wars.

How does someone 25 get to that point of frustrating political experience? Easy. Copy others that are making money. In other words they are just bad actors looking to get paid.

Absolutely. I like to joke that wingnut porn is attractive young women like Tomi who sound like Rush Limbaugh. And you’re right. It is money. I mean I don’t doubt that a lot of these people are sincerely conservative in their political beliefs but man they sound like bitter old assholes. And man I can’t tell you- I’m sure you saw me ranting and raving last night ohw many engage in the “Woe is me, I’m white” bullshit. I’ve never been ashamed to be felt or been made to be ashamed of it despite what they say. I have been made to be made aware of it and that’s not a bad thing. I should be aware that my ancestors had a freedom of mobility and a freedom of speech that many groups did not.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:50:25am
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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:50:26am

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m not sure we should put them on the same spectrum.

I see a spectrum of consensual work initiated relationships from friends to flings to married etc.
Then I see a spectrum of workplace sexual based offenses ranging from verbal harassment, power manipulations, groping, rape etc. And on this spectrum, you get into criminality.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:51:12am

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Great another wingnut asshole. Gotta get that wingnut welfare train going.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:51:14am

re: #200 lawhawk

The thing that Podhoretz ignores is that we’re distinguishing between consensual relations and actions and nonconsensual ones.

The former is fine - and the latter isn’t.

I don’t think he ignores it. I think he expresses it poorly - saying “making a pass” is trying unsuccessfully to be witty, but it’s important to acknowledge that our understanding of consent and power relationships has been shifting.

Sure, Charlie Rose’s “I thought we were pursuing shared feelings when I popped out of the shower naked in front of subordinates” is ridiculous. But that’s the extreme. Lots of other relationships have, shall we say, power relationship issues without being flagrant harassment.

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:51:48am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah. Good call. He’s in my top 3 also!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:52:26am

re: #202 Blind Frog Belly White

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Hey, Tammy! Happy Holidays!

Oh, you’re offended? Now watch me kneeling quietly during the National Anthem.

Oh, golly, you seem triggered!

Watch me say “Happy Holidays” or design a plastic coffee cup that isn’t to her standards. The whole libs are so easily triggered shit is so stupid since conservatives are just as easily triggered.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:53:07am

re: #211 JordanRules

Oh yeah. Good call. He’s in my top 3 also!

As AM has pointed out, he literally has a Nuremberg Law concept of what citizenship should be.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:53:22am

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Interesting Times  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:55:19am

re: #205 Eclectic Cyborg

Heh, some of the replies to that CBS tweet are fantastic.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:55:42am

OH HAI LIZARDIA!

I’m at Newark Airport waiting for the flight to Israel.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:57:09am

re: #208 JordanRules

I’m not sure we should put them on the same spectrum.

I see a spectrum of consensual work initiated relationships from friends to flings to married etc.
Then I see a spectrum of workplace sexual based offenses ranging from verbal harassment, power manipulations, groping, rape etc. And on this spectrum, you get into criminality.

Yeah, we tend to see spectra as a single dimension, but like most things it’s more complex.

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TedStriker  Nov 21, 2017 • 8:59:20am

re: #216 The Vicious Babushka

OH HAI LIZARDIA!

I’m at Newark Airport waiting for the flight to Israel.

May you have clear skies, smooth flying, and no lost baggage.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:00:21am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:01:34am

re: #204 Big Beautiful Door

I think we can all agree that if you are a fifty something married guy “making a pass” at your twenty something assistant in her first job barely making enough to live on that is not ok.

Okay, what about the 40 something unmarried manager who asks out the 30 something professional woman whose career is well established but whose position is subordinate to his?

That’s my point. It isn’t all the Don Draper dipping his wick in the secretarial pool.

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:01:43am

re: #217 Blind Frog Belly White

I can get with that, but in this case, within that single dimension perspective I think it can be important to divorce these 2 groups.

Thinking about sexual offenses as relationship stuff gone wrong is a justification a lot of these folks like JP use. Understanding what is really at play, is an ongoing education for all of us.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:02:38am

re: #219 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s bad for small businesses too. But hey gotta help Trump’s wealthy buddies out there at any cost.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:03:29am

re: #221 JordanRules

I can get with that, but in this case, within that single dimension perspective I think it can be important to divorce these 2 groups.

Thinking about sexual offenses as relationship stuff gone wrong is a justification a lot of these folks like JP use. Understanding what is really at play, is an ongoing education for all of us.

The thing is, I think you’re drawing an artificial line between two things that are not as distinct as we’d like to believe.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:04:42am
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:10:14am

More remains of La David Johnson located, but not a mention of it on Fox’s twitter feed.

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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:11:19am
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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:11:53am

re: #223 Blind Frog Belly White

I do think they are more distinct than not, yes.

Consensual & mutual dynamics
Non-consensual & abuse of power

Generally speaking of course.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:12:02am
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Stanley Sea  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:14:12am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:15:39am

re: #225 Ace Rothstein

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Weaselone  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:15:48am

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

Anyone got a few billion dollars to buy all the ISPs and throttle down Fox News, Gateway Pundit and Infowars to 1 byte/hour?

On the plus side, this is going to make the Gamergaters howl.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:16:10am

re: #226 lawhawk

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Drain the swamp eh.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:17:55am

re: #225 Ace Rothstein

More remains of La David Johnson located, but not a mention of it on Fox’s twitter feed.

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Poor Mrs. Johnson and their family.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:18:15am
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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:23:58am

Uhhh. What the?!?!?

This is in Brazil.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:28:00am

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

FCC unveils plan to give Internet providers broad powers to determine what websites their customers can see and use

The responses to this range from a relatively kindly “Fuck you” to gifs of a rhino pooping saying that’s what comes out every time he speaks.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:28:03am

re: #225 Ace Rothstein

More remains of La David Johnson located, but not a mention of it on Fox’s twitter feed.

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Hey, Marc Thiessen—he’s one of the guys who sold war crimes to America!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:28:19am
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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:29:05am
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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:35:49am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:36:46am

re: #240 JordanRules

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Goddamn what a creep.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:38:24am
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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:38:42am

re: #240 JordanRules

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MsJ  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:41:02am

re: #179 Dave In Austin

Is that your baby??

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:41:34am

re: #235 JordanRules

Uhhh. What the?!?!?

This is in Brazil.

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Brazil is one messed up country when it comes to crime.

When the Formula One racing teams were there for the Brazilian Grand Prix November 10-12th, the Mercedes (German and British) team was in a minibus that was stopped by machine gun armed robbers while driving from the track to their hotels and robbed at gunpoint. Some members had guns held to their heads.

That was on Friday afternoon after their practice sessions were over.

On Sunday after the race the Pirelli Tire mechanics and engineers were also involved in an attempted robbery that I believe was thwarted by Brazilian police. That too happened just outside the race track.

There was supposed to be a Pirelli tire test on Monday but Pirelli cancelled for safety reasons and got the hell out of the country.

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:41:52am
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Weaselone  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:44:21am

re: #246 JordanRules

It will be a massive blow the economy of many states and arguable is a true infringement on free speech.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:46:04am

re: #246 JordanRules

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And yet the bros think she’s awful.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:46:20am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reminds me of this:

Countdown: Sarah Palin’s Turkey Pardoning Fiasco

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:48:15am

re: #247 Weaselone

I honestly wasn’t thinking in those terms, regarding state economies. Wow. Hopefully that angle can help solidify opposition and include some powerful, unlikely allies.

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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:52:31am
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danarchy  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:53:21am

re: #235 JordanRules

Uhhh. What the?!?!?

This is in Brazil.

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Undercover or off duty? somehow I doubt any cop is going to bring his family on an undercover operation.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:55:03am

re: #251 lawhawk

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Same with healthcare.
They say, if you need care go to the emergency room if you don’t have insurance. Then in next breath, we are going to remove the law that says that the emergency room has to treat you.

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:55:49am

re: #252 danarchy

That was pointed out in one of the first few comments.

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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:56:19am

re: #253 Eventual Carrion

Same with healthcare.
They say, if you need care go to the emergency room if you don’t have insurance. Then in next breath, we are going to remove the law that says that the emergency room has to treat you.

And then eliminate the funding system that helped hospitals remain solvent because they’re getting reimbursed for their indigent services (those indigents were getting Obamacare payments).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:56:27am

re: #252 danarchy

Undercover or off duty? somehow I doubt any cop is going to bring his family on an undercover operation.

obviously, it was bring your baby to work day…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:56:33am

re: #97 Dave In Austin

Lumpy thread…

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Dave In Austin  Nov 21, 2017 • 9:58:01am

re: #216 The Vicious Babushka

OH HAI LIZARDIA!

I’m at Newark Airport waiting for the flight to Israel.

Safe Travels!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:05:28am

re: #257 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Dr. Hannity? LOL. Okay.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:05:32am
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TedStriker  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:10:09am

re: #229 Stanley Sea

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Oooh, spicy…using GOPers own words against Moore. Now, let’s see if it gets traction or gets buried in the media.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:11:18am

wake me up when the thermidorian reaction sets in

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:13:48am

Up above, someone mentioned the 600 page tome put out about how dangerous it was for the gays to be sexing it up. Over at Wonkette, Evan Hurst has an article entitled This Video Will Make You Stop Being So Gay All The Time

Are you so gay right now? Thank God, you have come to the right place to get that fixed!

MassResistance is one of the weirdest anti-gay hate groups out there. What it lacks in influence, it makes up in silliness. The group considered the Obama administration’s push to curb anti-gay violence around the world “cultural terrorism.” Its leader, Brian Camenker, believes gay-bashing victims only get bashed because they’re asking for it by being flagrantly gay, and he also believes gay people are bad at sports because gays don’t have the “stability” or “alertness” to be good at sports.

The video is what makes the article ROFLy

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:15:03am

Whew. What a reaction!

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:18:19am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:18:36am
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Kragar  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:19:38am
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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:20:49am

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh hell no.
Buddy, you already lost the plot.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:20:54am

re: #264 JordanRules

Whew. What a reaction!

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So happy for her and her countrymen and women.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:21:57am

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He should just resign honestly.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:22:57am

re: #267 Kragar

Dotard continues to obsess over President Obama. Sad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:25:28am
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:26:31am

re: #220 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, what about the 40 something unmarried manager who asks out the 30 something professional woman whose career is well established but whose position is subordinate to his?

That’s my point. It isn’t all the Don Draper dipping his wick in the secretarial pool.

I would humbly suggest the wiser course is to date people you can’t retaliate against with an adverse employment action. If it goes south, like relationships often do, he could soon be facing a sexual harassment claim and in today’s atmosphere possibly even lose his job. If he’s certain that this is the only woman for him and its going to end happily ever after, or at least amicably, he can’t say I didn’t warn him.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:27:49am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:29:02am
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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:34:00am

Here’s an idea: Conyers resigns, Franken gets sensitivity training, and we drop the whole mess? Sound good?

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Dr. Matt  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:34:27am

Colorized GIF (pronounced ‘GIF’) of Einstein.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:37:06am

re: #276 Targetpractice

Here’s an idea: Conyers resigns, Franken gets sensitivity training, and we drop the whole mess? Sound good?

Conyer should resign as soon as Trump resigns.

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gocart mozart  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:40:05am
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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:41:05am

It should be taken as self evident that a sex predator like Moore should never be allowed near public office, let alone the US Senate. We can’t trust the GOP to do the right thing, so hoping that the GOP would move to expel Moore from the Senate if he’s elected is wishful thinking, especially when the GOP is angling to get his vote to help redistribute wealth from the nation to the richest of Americans and the burdens get shifted the other way.

No - the way forward is clear.

Make sure Moore loses and doesn’t get a chance to sit in the Senate.

We saw how the GOP continues enabling a sex predator in Trump (a sex predator who admitted to the predatory actions on video and whose victims corroborate his statements). They wont act against Trump, so why assume the GOP acts against Moore.

No - the way forward is to make sure Moore loses. Keep him from office.

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Kragar  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:41:12am
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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:43:20am

re: #281 Kragar

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Too late, Mueller’s already interviewed the turkey.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:43:23am

re: #280 lawhawk

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:43:55am
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:46:40am
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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:47:26am

re: #285 Ace Rothstein

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Cult. of. Personality.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:47:56am

re: #286 Targetpractice

Cult. of. Personality.

Stalin would be proud.

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lawhawk  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:48:45am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:49:41am

re: #280 lawhawk

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It should be taken as self evident that a sex predator like Moore should never be allowed near public office, let alone the US Senate. We can’t trust the GOP to do the right thing, so hoping that the GOP would move to expel Moore from the Senate if he’s elected is wishful thinking, especially when the GOP is angling to get his vote to help redistribute wealth from the nation to the richest of Americans and the burdens get shifted the other way.

No - the way forward is clear.

Make sure Moore loses and doesn’t get a chance to sit in the Senate.

We saw how the GOP continues enabling a sex predator in Trump (a sex predator who admitted to the predatory actions on video and whose victims corroborate his statements). They wont act against Trump, so why assume the GOP acts against Moore.

No - the way forward is to make sure Moore loses. Keep him from office.

The Trump supporters don’t think Trump is a predator — they will claim it’s just locker room talk. They don’t believe he mocked a disabled reporter. They laugh at his statement that he could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth avenue and not lose any votes, but they believe Hillary has murdered dozens of people,

They will just as enthusiastically support Moore. They have no compassion for other people and will accept any lie their God Emperor tells them.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:51:40am
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Kragar  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:51:44am
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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:52:48am

Just a reminder, that even without the sex crimes, Roy Moore did not deserve to be in the US Senate.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:55:26am

I hadn’t been to Slashdot for quite a while, but took a look to see how they’re handling the news on net neutrality.

There are a lot of idiots who think they should be able to string up their own wires and create a “people’s Internet” and so far, one voice of sanity:

There is ONLY ONE SOLUTION to this problem! (Score:3)
It’s electing people who are committed to CITIZEN’S INTERESTS to Congress. They can actively appoint qualified, and public-interest-minded heads of departments, like the FCC.

During Obama’s presidency, we had Tom Wheeler, who ruled (almost universally) in favor of citizens’ interests…and, in fact, established the “Net Neutrality” rules in 2015…against the wishes of one of his Commission members, Ajit Pai. When Wheeler retired, Ajit Pai (who is a legal shill who worked at Verizon, who benefits from his decisions) ascended to the Chairman post, and started dismantling the good work done by Mr. Wheeler…mostly (I posit) because he wants that job back at Verizon, when he is replaced in the future.

The Republicans are notoriously favorable to providing more advantages to large corporations (e.g., Verizon) and couldn’t care less about you and me. With the Buffoon in the White House, and a Republican dominated Congress, we can expect virtually every government-sponsored benefit to citizens to be abolished or diminished.

So, to my mind the ONLY ONE SOLUTION is to restore our government to attending to benefits for citizens…it’s not going to be done by a party that passes legislation to give Fat Cats tax breaks, and make you and I pay MORE taxes to cover the giveaway. Have YOU figured out the solution yet? It’s a plain as the nose on your face! Make sure that we elect people who CARE about the citizens’ interests, not just lining their own pockets. They will do the work of replacing the people who are engaged in wholesale destruction of every potential good for citizens. I reason that there is NO REASON our country should be favoring large businesses over individual citizens. Others’ may believe differently.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:55:49am

re: #284 JordanRules

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Holy CENSORED! I can’t stop laughing at that Jive Turkey!! !

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 21, 2017 • 10:58:05am

Am not on twitter and don’t know how to embed tweets but relevant to an exchange late yesterday about Susan Page:

debbie panaretos
@finepaintbrush
@SusanPage do you think #Trump won the popular vote? Does #3million ring a bell?
6:51 PM - Nov 20, 2017
Replies Retweets 1 1 like
Twitter Ads info and privacy


Susan Page

@SusanPage
Apologies. My verbal misstep. (This may be why I’m a print reporter.)


6:55 PM - Nov 20, 2017
12 12 Replies 2 2 Retweets 22 22 likes

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:03:58am

President Obama’s 2016 Turkey-Pardon Dad Jokes: The Definitive List

npr.org

This is a fun read and nostalgia nip.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:08:35am
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Stanley Sea  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:09:46am

All protest all the time. Have fun yam.

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Targetpractice  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:10:49am

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Chris Cillizza never gets tired of proving what a ginormous douche he truly is.

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:11:08am

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well wouldya look at his false narrative building ass.
As usual.
And always wrong.

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garzooma  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:12:24am

re: #289 Hecuba’s daughter

The Trump supporters don’t think Trump is a predator — they will claim it’s just locker room talk.

Speaking of Trump’s predations, I see that he’s in legal jeopardy on that front (not just the treason). From a 11/1 NYT article:

While allegations of sexual misconduct against powerful men in recent weeks have drawn wide public support and prompted quick response, women who came forward during the presidential race with accusations against Donald J. Trump said they spent the past year feeling dismissed and forgotten.

“With Trump, it was all brushed under the rug,” said Temple Taggart, who claimed Mr. Trump kissed her on the mouth when she was competing in his Miss USA pageant in 1997.

But that could change if a defamation lawsuit brought by a woman who accused Mr. Trump of unwanted sexual advances is allowed to proceed in New York State Supreme Court, a legal ruling that could come before the end of the year. Lawyers in the suit sought a subpoena seeking all Trump campaign records related to his female accusers. If the case advances, the accusers could be deposed, going up against Mr. Trump yet again.

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calochortus  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:12:32am

re: #276 Targetpractice

Here’s an idea: Conyers resigns, Franken gets sensitivity training, and we drop the whole mess? Sound good?

I’d go with that. I’ve cynically chuckled at the idea of “educating” men about sexual abuse (with apologies to the nice guys-abusers seem to be good enough at it without extra training.)
However. I’m starting to think that some guys like Franken really thought they were being funny and had no clue how women felt about their “humor.” Those guys might benefit from a clue bat.

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:15:16am
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:18:45am

re: #264 JordanRules

Whew. What a reaction!

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I just hope the new boss isn’t the same as the old boss. But I suspect so.

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:19:13am

re: #304 Big Beautiful Door

I do too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:22:30am
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scottslemmons  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:22:51am

God, all this FCC shit is just depressing as hell. I really don’t know how any good results are going to come from any of this. :(

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:23:34am

re: #306 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Perspective, thanks Joy.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:25:51am

re: #292 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Just a reminder, that even without the sex crimes, Roy Moore did not deserve to be in the US Senate.

But would’ve won easily anyway. With the sex crimes, an eminently qualified candidate has a shot at winning.

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:27:22am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:28:59am
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jaunte  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:30:45am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:30:52am

re: #273 Big Beautiful Door

I would humbly suggest the wiser course is to date people you can’t retaliate against with an adverse employment action. If it goes south, like relationships often do, he could soon be facing a sexual harassment claim and in today’s atmosphere possibly even lose his job. If he’s certain that this is the only woman for him and its going to end happily ever after, or at least amicably, he can’t say I didn’t warn him.

My point is that there’s a whole range of relative power relationships from the one you described originally to being two people at the same level in different departments, and that makes drawing the bright lines difficult. Add to this that attraction is rarely as logical and rational as the above suggests.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:31:23am

re: #310 jaunte

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I’ve never despised a publication more than Breitbart and my feelings on the National Review are well known here. I wish Steve Bannon and all the trolls there could be reborn as women.

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:36:15am

I don’t suppose Putin discussed this with Trump when they met in Vietnam.

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mmmirele  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:38:27am

re: #182 HappyWarrior

I remember a friend from Mass showing me ads of Romney trying to out liberal Ted Kennedy on LGBT rights. Oh how the times changed.

If Romney runs for high office again, he will be asked if he endorses his church’s November 2015 policy which bars the children of gay or lesbian parents from being baptized or blessed in that church. (It goes without saying that the policy also pretty much says legally married gays and lesbians should be given the left foot of fellowship.) This affects kids whose parents may have been in an opposite sex marriage but are now divorced and one parent is gay or lesbian. And there are more than a few of these kids in the Intermountain West.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:39:15am

re: #312 jaunte

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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:39:26am

re: #316 mmmirele

If Romney runs for high office again, he will be asked if he endorses his church’s November 2015 policy which bars the children of gay or lesbian parents from being baptized or blessed in that church. (It goes without saying that the policy also pretty much says legally married gays and lesbians should be given the left foot of fellowship.) This affects kids whose parents may have been in an opposite sex marriage but are now divorced and one parent is gay or lesbian. And there are more than a few of these kids in the Intermountain West.

Rumor is he’s running to replace Hatch.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:41:33am

re: #313 Blind Frog Belly White

My point is that there’s a whole range of relative power relationships from the one you described originally to being two people at the same level in different departments, and that makes drawing the bright lines difficult. Add to this that attraction is rarely as logical and rational as the above suggests.

This is why people need to be better trained by employers to think with their big brains about this issue. There are a lot of people out there you could be attracted to, so try to focus on the ones who aren’t in your chain-of-command. Of course if a company is serious about stamping out sexual harassment, it has to be willing to take action against company stars who think the rules don’t apply to them.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:42:09am

Falling apart? New developments on Tweeden?

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Stanley Sea  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:42:30am

re: #315 jaunte

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I don’t suppose Putin discussed this with Trump when they met in Vietnam.

Hell, they talked by phone today. Bet not a word.

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Nyet  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:44:47am

re: #321 Stanley Sea

Hell, they talked by phone today. Bet not a word.

Except for “Da, Vladimir, you can”.

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:58:03am

re: #154 dangerman

another quick motorcycle / snow story
actually the first one - and 13 years before the continental divide story

1994 early february i’m in florida with bike and (new) trailer - visiting friends.
its the year of 14 snow storms up north. like never a break
but i gotta get home for V-day. (i was in love - or thought i was)
figured i’d be good till like north carolina / virginia then get out the snow suit and one bad day of riding.
nope
southern georgia was in the 40s.
scattered snow lined the roadsides which got thicker the northerer i went
again, i had on all the right stuff - 2 piece snow suit, insulated gloves, boots, electric sox (worthless), helmet with earlaps, etc.
by the first virginia rest area i had real live hypothermia

yep - i learned that sub 40 degrees at 65 miles an hour for hours on end - no way your body can generate enough heat to compensate.

i’ll spare you the gory in between details
i thought i would have to spend the night there. no way i could ride any further.

turns out i managed to make it to NJ, not sure how.
way lots of snow on the actual roadways and everywhere. (first time for me). piles, snowplows, sanders and salters.

found a motel, had a proper bath which helped some. couldnt eat

called mom out on long island, my destination: tomorrow around 11am is gonna be about 40 degrees, the day’s max. im taking off from here in nj, figure 2 hours to home no traffic, so make sure there’s a single shoveled track up the driveway and open the garage door at 1pm. i’m gonna drive right in, take off my helmet then run in the house, peel and jump into bed.

took two days to recover. kept all my fingers and toes. another time i was surprised i didnt die or permanently injure myself

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 21, 2017 • 12:03:50pm

re: #302 calochortus

I’d go with that. I’ve cynically chuckled at the idea of “educating” men about sexual abuse (with apologies to the nice guys-abusers seem to be good enough at it without extra training.)
However. I’m starting to think that some guys like Franken really thought they were being funny and had no clue how women felt about their “humor.” Those guys might benefit from a clue bat.

This. I know that in Biotech in the 1980s and into the 1990s, there were probably a lot of women who just got the shits of the “He-Man Woman Haters Club” atmosphere and found something else to do with their lives, rather than complaining, because they (probably correctly) figured complaining would mark them as “Not A Fun Person”.

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ObserverArt  Nov 21, 2017 • 12:05:19pm

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

Chris Cillizza

@CillizzaCNN
Al Franken’s silence is deafening — and damninghttp://cnn.com
11:26 AM - Nov 21, 2017

I think what Chris is hearing is the loud ringing in his empty head.

He’s getting more and more ridiculous with his takes as he goes. Another year and they will have to mop up the froth.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 21, 2017 • 12:08:56pm

re: #319 Big Beautiful Door

This is why people need to be better trained by employers to think with their big brains about this issue. There are a lot of people out there you could be attracted to, so try to focus on the ones who aren’t in your chain-of-command. Of course if a company is serious about stamping out sexual harassment, it has to be willing to take action against company stars who think the rules don’t apply to them.

This. I was floored by the Uber accusations, that in 2017 companies were still doing that shit, giving stars a pass to do horrible shit.

However, WRT people you could be attracted to, I can’t agree it’s as simple as that. I say that because Mrs. FBW and I, from the moment we met, were like magnets. It would not have mattered what externalities existed, including marriages. Luckily, we were both single when we met, and in college. If we’d both been married, I’m pretty sure we’d have ruined both marriages to be together.

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dangerman  Nov 21, 2017 • 12:09:06pm

re: #319 Big Beautiful Door

This is why people need to be better trained by employers to think with their big brains about this issue. There are a lot of people out there you could be attracted to, so try to focus on the ones who aren’t in your chain-of-command. Of course if a company is serious about stamping out sexual harassment, it has to be willing to take action against company stars who think the rules don’t apply to them.

this + many times.

i get that many people dont have time for an outside life.
find another way / source

dating in the office is a bad idea in so many ways

same with teachers, college professors etc. you want to date (legal aged) students? dont date your own. try and attract them from another school. you cant? gee, wonder why?

also (imo) it’s like choosing to date a married person. there’s lots and lots and lots of unattached people in the world.

create opportunities to meet people. its’ not easy, i know.

and that’s a lousy excuse for not making an effort


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