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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:09:06pm
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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:10:50pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:17:50pm

On the issue of Net Neutrality (and I can’t imagine what my monopoly telephone company is going to do with that):

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:24:56pm

Hopefully, my investment in Doug Jones this fall will have a greater reward than the amounts spent on Ossoff and Quist earlier this year. I alternate between despair from the daily damage that Trump and the GOP are inflicting on this country to optimism engendered by the victories in Virginia and elsewhere 2 weeks ago. Rachel’s reminder tonight of the damage throughout the country due to GOP gerrymandering put a real damper on my mood.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:36:09pm

Privilege is largely invisible to the privileged, and I speak as one of the privileged.

It’s exactly the same motivated reasoning that underpins white supremacy - only if the playing field is truly level are my accomplishments all my own doing. If you see yourself pulling ahead of others who aren’t white and male, it must be because you’re better at your job than they are.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:36:38pm

re: #4 Hecuba’s daughter

Hopefully, my investment in Doug Jones this fall will have a greater reward than the amounts spent on Ossoff and Quist earlier this year. I alternate between despair from the daily damage that Trump and the GOP are inflicting on this country to optimism engendered by the victories in Virginia and elsewhere 2 weeks ago. Rachel’s reminder tonight of the damage throughout the country due to GOP gerrymandering put a real damper on my mood.

Gerrymandering can be overcome with wave elections.

The point of gerrymandering is to create safe seats (see NE-2) by including just enough of another seat (NE-3) to overwhelm the majority vote in that area. (Thus, President Obama took an electoral vote in NE-2 in 2008, but gerrymandering by taking voters from my district ensured that didn’t happen in 2012.)

When there is a wave election (defined as actually getting off your ass and voting), the gerrymander is overcome. (See the elections in Virginia and other places recently.)

The solution to gerrymandering is not to despair; it is to make sure as many people as can vote, do vote.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:40:30pm

re: #5 Blind Frog Belly White

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Privilege is largely invisible to the privileged, and I speak as one of the privileged.

It’s exactly the same motivated reasoning that underpins white supremacy - only if the playing field is truly level are my accomplishments all my own doing. If you see yourself pulling ahead of others who aren’t white and male, it must be because you’re better at your job than they are.

While white people certainly have privilege in society, not all white people are in fact privileged. Trust me, I felt no privilege whist I was homeless for eleven years. Despite conservative claims that they support veterans, I was entirely invisible to society as a homeless disabled vet (including being disenfranchised from voting—my first vote after becoming homeless in 1996 was in 2012).

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JordanRules  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:44:40pm

Your company’s Slack is probably sexist

Age, experience, and hierarchical position undoubtedly influence digital behavior. Does gender influence our office’s electronic communications? When I began asking my colleagues, nearly every woman said yes. Overwhelmingly, men said no.

work.qz.com

Interesting read. I definitely identified with a lot.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:50:09pm

re: #7 Anymouse 🌹

While white people certainly have privilege in society, not all white people are in fact privileged. Trust me, I felt no privilege whist I was homeless for eleven years. Despite conservative claims that they support veterans, I was entirely invisible to society as a homeless disabled vet (including being disenfranchised from voting—my first vote after becoming homeless in 1996 was in 2012).

Privilege is relative, not absolute. It doesn’t mean it was easy. It means it was easier than it would have been if you were not a white man. While I can’t speak to your specific circumstances, I daresay they’d have been more difficult to get out of if you weren’t white and male.

And if you don’t think you were at all privileged while homeless, consider how differently the better-off react to homeless white men, vs homeless black men.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 21, 2017 • 11:50:11pm

re: #8 JordanRules

Your company’s Slack is probably sexist

work.qz.com

Interesting read. I definitely identified with a lot.

A new generation. I asked my wife about her work experience when she worked at Digital Equipment Corporation. (We are assuming here that Slack is the current generation’s version of DECnet, which existed before the Internet.) She notes that sexism or sexist banter were not tolerated at DEC or on DECNet.

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:11:10am
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Kragar  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:38:55am
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:40:10am

re: #11 teleskiguy

My wife told me what Thanksgiving dinner is going to be (much better than the Hamburger Helper I made for dinner today): Lamb Sate. I’m in for that.

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Cheechako  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:55:39am

Hey!! Today is my 9 year anniversary for joining LGF. (It’s still 11/21 in the AST zone!)

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:58:37am

re: #14 Cheechako

My nine year anniversary is in 10 days.

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Cheechako  Nov 22, 2017 • 1:01:55am

re: #15 teleskiguy

My nine year anniversary is in 10 days.

How should we celebrate….pineapple pizza?

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2017 • 1:03:24am

re: #16 Cheechako

How should we celebrate….pineapple pizza?

Giphy

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Kragar  Nov 22, 2017 • 1:20:58am

re: #17 teleskiguy

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freetoken  Nov 22, 2017 • 2:04:21am

I guess John Conyers is the talk of the morning.

Oh well, better than nuclear war.

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freetoken  Nov 22, 2017 • 2:06:01am

Also, David Cassidy has passed away.

This is already a bad morning and we’re but two hours into it.

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MsJ  Nov 22, 2017 • 2:26:02am

re: #4 Hecuba’s daughter

Hopefully, my investment in Doug Jones this fall will have a greater reward than the amounts spent on Ossoff and Quist earlier this year. I alternate between despair from the daily damage that Trump and the GOP are inflicting on this country to optimism engendered by the victories in Virginia and elsewhere 2 weeks ago. Rachel’s reminder tonight of the damage throughout the country due to GOP gerrymandering put a real damper on my mood.

It’s beyond gerrymandering, the GOP is actively suppressing votes. Ossoff lost, but there is some real shady shit surrounding the vote and that all the data was wiped (after being told to retain it). I can’t speak to Quist, but even in VA there was shady shit about people given incorrect ballots - ballots that could have flipped control of the VA government from GOP to dem.

So we have:

- gerrymandering
- voter suppression (voter ID, robocalls to go to the wrong place or vote on incorrect days, etc., etc.)
- given incorrect ballots
- given provisional ballots
- electronic voting machines with no paper audit trail

Every single thing the GOP touches is tainted. Republicans are traitors to every single thing America stands for. They are trying to end America as we know it. And who knows if they will do so.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 22, 2017 • 2:36:05am
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wheat-dogg  Nov 22, 2017 • 3:06:51am

On a more serious note, in the wake of the Roy Moore scandal, someone on the Book of Face group for my high school has started a thread detailing the shenanigans of our physics teacher with several female students. One of the victims (one of my classmates) went into some detail about what he did to her. The school administration knew about all this, and swept it under the carpet for years (all through the 1970s). Finally, said physics teacher was forced to take early retirement, because the sitch only got worse.

As I just told another classmate, these revelations explain a lot of the peculiar teacher-female student interactions I saw in physics class in 10th grade.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 22, 2017 • 3:07:21am

Aaandd it’s awake.

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nowherenorth2  Nov 22, 2017 • 3:08:08am

re: #24 wheat-dogg

My God. It is too early for his shit

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 22, 2017 • 3:15:45am

re: #24 wheat-dogg

Aaandd it’s awake.

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Yes, the President of the United States is personally insulting a private citizen via long distance and, worse, we have already become accustomed to this absolutely unprecedented behavior.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 22, 2017 • 3:18:39am

Some good news in the world, at least.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 22, 2017 • 3:29:15am

During a speech in 1866, a possibly inebriated President Andrew Johnson apparently told a heckler to go fuck himself. The exact words are not recorded, just that there was a scandal over them and that the President’s words “lacked dignity and restraint” and that Johnson himself was “touched with insanity and stimulated with drink.”

This was about as close as we got to the daily barrage of presidential tweet sewage before the age of Trump.

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sagehen  Nov 22, 2017 • 3:43:55am

re: #5 Blind Frog Belly White

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Privilege is largely invisible to the privileged, and I speak as one of the privileged.

It’s exactly the same motivated reasoning that underpins white supremacy - only if the playing field is truly level are my accomplishments all my own doing. If you see yourself pulling ahead of others who aren’t white and male, it must be because you’re better at your job than they are.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2017 • 3:46:20am

re: #2 JordanRules

Ivanka Trump said there is a special place in hell for people like Roy Moore

Donald Trump just told the people of Alabama to vote for him

The fact that the fellow still even has a chance in hell of winning is disturbing enough…

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MsJ  Nov 22, 2017 • 3:48:10am

This is already too much for one day and it isn’t even 7 am yet.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 22, 2017 • 3:50:25am

If you can post a 280-character tweet without a spelling or English grammar error, you are in several ways “privileged”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2017 • 3:51:04am

re: #12 Kragar

A U.S. Navy plane carrying 11 has crashed into the Pacific Ocean near the Japanese island of Okinawa; search and rescue operation now underway. It was on its way to the USS Ronald Reagan. Cause unknown.

USS Ronald Reagan on its search mission: “We’re from the government and we’re here to help you”

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MsJ  Nov 22, 2017 • 3:51:37am

re: #31 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The fact that the fellow still even has a chance in hell of winning is disturbing enough…

Oh, and this….

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Decatur Deb  Nov 22, 2017 • 3:54:15am

re: #31 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The fact that the fellow still even has a chance in hell of winning is disturbing enough…

The best possible Democratic candidate in Alabama is running against the worst imaginable Republican candidate, and I would not take a serious bet at 50-50.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 22, 2017 • 3:59:59am

re: #35 MsJ

A new poll makes it crystal clear: Sexual harassment is not a dealbreaker in today’s Republican Party

That tweet is wrong—a majority of my fellow Alabamians are buying into felony rape, not harassment.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 22, 2017 • 4:10:47am

At least 8 reported survivors of the Navy air crash:

c7f.navy.mil

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MsJ  Nov 22, 2017 • 4:41:00am

This woman is:

Washington Bureau Chief/USA Today. Veteran of 10 presidential campaigns. Now covering my sixth president. (Still trying to get it right.) FB @susanpageusatoday

and she said that Trump won the popular vote on Hardball the other night.

Then she tweeted this idiocy, to which I responded…

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William Lewis  Nov 22, 2017 • 5:09:31am

re: #39 MsJ

Back when I was in High School Debate, we referred to that rag as Useless News Today. I’ve never seen any reason to consider it good for anything but toilet tissue in the outhouse at my FiL’s hunting shack.

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jeffreyw  Nov 22, 2017 • 5:10:29am

Imgur


Good morning!

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MsJ  Nov 22, 2017 • 5:10:59am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 5:14:47am

re: #24 wheat-dogg

Aaandd it’s awake.

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JFC. Such a pathetic psycho. .

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 22, 2017 • 5:32:41am

Current Mood

Fighting

Photo taken at Church of Saint John the Divine, NYC

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wheat-dogg  Nov 22, 2017 • 5:32:56am

re: #39 MsJ

USA Today is a Gannett fishwrap paper/website. Don’t expect too much.

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2017 • 5:55:40am

re: #15 teleskiguy

My nine year anniversary is in 10 days.

Get off my damn lawn… kids these days… /

Congrats on the LGF anniversaries folks.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 22, 2017 • 5:56:42am
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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 22, 2017 • 5:57:36am

10 year party at my place next year! (?)

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Dave In Austin  Nov 22, 2017 • 5:58:35am
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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:01:10am

re: #24 wheat-dogg

Aaandd it’s awake.

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The man has got to be one of the most emotionally needy fuckers on the planet. He could bring all this to an end tomorrow by just dropping the subject, but he won’t because his ego demands he force LaVar to kneel and kiss the ring.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:04:35am

It’s just so pathetic how easy it is to tweek him. I don’t want to hear MRAs, same people who csll Trump an “Alpha” ever suggest that women are too emotional for the job. Trump is a fucking baby.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:07:55am

re: #48 Unshaken Defiance

10 year party at my place next year!

Should I bring a tent or will you be providing a room? I don’t know if I can stay the whole time but I’ll try…

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:11:19am

re: #52 bill d. (b.d.)

Haha bigger tent than the GOP anyway. We would not be short of musicians, techs or photographers would we?

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MsJ  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:11:57am
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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:14:42am

Man, tomorrow is gonna be one very awkward day at the White House, between Donny’s twitter war with Ball, Mueller investigating pretty much everybody at 1600 Penn Ave, plummeting approval ratings, and the very real possibility that Wealthcare will fail to pass.

“Could you pass the rolls?”

“WHO SAID MY RATINGS WERE LOW?”

“I was just asking for the rolls! I didn’t squeal to Mueller!”

“Mueller’s here?! Quick, burn the tapes!”

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:17:20am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Safe travels to all so inclined this week. Meanwhile, Trump’s busy railing against black folks protesting injustices and people who don’t pay fealty to Trump.

This is all Trump ever does. If you don’t express gratitude to the grossly insecure Trump, Trump lets everyone know via tweet just how he feels.

It’s so amazingly transparent, but Trump also knows this riles up his bigot brigade base, since the targets of his ire are minorities, women, and anyone who is grounded in facts and reality.

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:19:02am

re: #15 teleskiguy

My nine year anniversary is in 10 days.

My nine year anniversary is in 7.5 years

Stick around….lots more to come

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Dave In Austin  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:19:51am
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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:21:44am

re: #47 Unshaken Defiance

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Ok it was you. Here’s a cookie.

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fern01  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:22:47am

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Yes, the President of the United States is personally insulting a private citizen via long distance and, worse, we have already become accustomed to this absolutely unprecedented behavior.

Remember when President Obama suggested a black man should not be arrested trying to get into his own home and mentioned race may have played a part - the outcry from the GOP in favor of the arresting officer was off the planet. It became a “both sides” issue between Prof Gates and Officer Crowley.

Only white republican presidents can attack US citizens and not be called for what they say.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:25:18am
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Eventual Carrion  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:25:44am

re: #24 wheat-dogg

Aaandd it’s awake.

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What a thin-skinned POS

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:26:03am

re: #60 fern01

Remember when President Obama suggested a black man should not be arrested trying to get into his own home and mentioned race may have played a part - the outcry from the GOP in favor of the arresting officer was off the planet. It became a “both sides” issue between Prof Gates and Officer Crowley.

Only white republican presidents can attack US citizens and not be called for what they say.

I remember rather vividly the national shitstorm that erupted simply because he called the arrest “stupid.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:29:43am

re: #14 Cheechako

Hey!! Today is my 9 year anniversary for joining LGF. (It’s still 11/21 in the AST zone!)

My two-year anniversary will be on Dec. 15.

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:29:47am

re: #63 Targetpractice

I remember rather vividly the national shitstorm that erupted simply because he called the arrest “stupid.”

Subtly.
He said the arrest was stupid.
He didnt tweet the cop directly and say he was stupid

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fern01  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:30:39am

re: #63 Targetpractice

I remember rather vividly the national shitstorm that erupted simply because he called the arrest “stupid.”

I knew it was about something minor - couldn’t remember the word - thanks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:31:05am

re: #65 dangerman

Subtly.
He said the arrest was stupid.
He didnt tweet the cop directly and say he was stupid

bad enough: a black kenyan muslim thug implying that a white officer of the law and upholder of justice was stupid

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:32:08am

re: #64 Anymouse 🌹

My two-year anniversary will be on Dec. 15.

I’m 6
I’m 9
I’m three and a half
I’m seven and three months and two days….
I’m…what year is it.. give me a minute to do themath

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Dave In Austin  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:32:28am

I see where Meg Whitman just stepped down from HP. And thoughts on her heading up a primary run against the asshole?

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:32:45am
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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:32:59am
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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:34:34am

re: #71 lawhawk

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Not to mention that, as a public figure, he’d have to prove actual malice if he wanted to sue them for defamation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:35:45am
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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:37:18am

re: #72 Targetpractice

For someone who was an actual judge (and chief justice of Alabama Supreme Court before being removed twice for failing to follow the law), this shows just how idiotic and unqualified Moore truly is (this alone shows the kind of depravity and willful refusal to follow the law that Moore is known for).

It sums up his entire career. Bullying and suppressing those who criticize him.

It’s no wonder Trump likes him - he looks in the mirror and sees himself (though Moore oozes Christian theocrat while Trump just oozes).

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:38:04am

re: #74 lawhawk

Bullying and suppressing those who criticize him.

Also explains his reelection in Alabama.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:38:45am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:39:31am

re: #69 Dave In Austin

I see where Meg Whitman just stepped down from HP. And thoughts on her heading up a primary run against the asshole?

I know my wife won’t vote for her, after her decisions that ruined her retirement fund from Digital Equipment (that and we don’t live where she does).

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:40:22am

re: #70 lawhawk

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To nit pick
He’s not equating
He’s saying “better a child molester in the senate than a democrat”
As in I’d rather have

We used to gag this similarly in my neanderthal days:
Better my own sister working in a whorehouse that a brother on a honda

(,Interestingly and true ..autocorrect just changed whorehouse to white house)

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:40:47am
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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:41:33am

re: #74 lawhawk

For someone who was an actual judge (and chief justice of Alabama Supreme Court before being removed twice for failing to follow the law), this shows just how idiotic and unqualified Moore truly is (this alone shows the kind of depravity and willful refusal to follow the law that Moore is known for).

It sums up his entire career. Bullying and suppressing those who criticize him.

It’s no wonder Trump likes him - he looks in the mirror and sees himself (though Moore oozes Christian theocrat while Trump just oozes).

As you noted, they’re empty threats but the fact that he’s making them shows he and Trump are of the same mind: Using the threat of litigation and possible financial harm fighting said litigation to scare his “enemies” into shutting up.

Any lawyer who would willingly take part in such a crock should face ethics charges, if not disbarred for knowingly bringing frivolous suits before the court with the intent of silencing Moore’s accusers.

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:41:52am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Name a company that “came back,” to the US

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:42:19am

re: #79 FormerDirtDart

The NFL is now thinking about a new idea - keeping teams in the Locker Room during the National Anthem next season. That’s almost as bad as kneeling!

I am guessing that he is clueless enough not to know that was common practice until the US military started paying money to the NFL to put on patriotic spectacles.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:43:44am

re: #82 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am guessing that he is clueless enough not to know that was common practice until the US military started paying money to the NFL to put on patriotic spectacles.

Come to find out, it started a couple of years before the DoD started paying them, but it was still a show. NFL patriotism is done for profit. I’d much rather have it go away.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:44:50am
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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:45:36am

re: #79 FormerDirtDart

The NFL is now thinking about a new idea - keeping teams in the Locker Room during the National Anthem next season.

…you mean like it was before 2009

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:45:55am

re: #79 FormerDirtDart

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“Problem”: Black players are kneeling during the Anthem rather than standing with hand on heart, showing “disrespect” to the flag and to our veterans.

NFL solution: Keep players off the field until after the DoD-mandated pageantry is over so as not to have images of kneeling players on TV.

Trump solution: Kneecap the entire league by benching players who won’t follow the orders of white owners and a white president to show “respect.”

My solution: Drop the flag and Anthem bullshit, tell the DoD where to shove their money, and tell any fans who complain where the exit is.

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:48:14am

re: #86 Targetpractice

“Problem”: Black players are kneeling during the Anthem rather than standing with hand on heart, showing “disrespect” to the flag and to our veterans.

NFL solution: Keep players off the field until after the DoD-mandated pageantry is over so as not to have images of kneeling players on TV.

Trump solution: Kneecap the entire league by benching players who won’t follow the orders of white owners and a white president to show “respect.”

My solution: Drop the flag and Anthem bullshit, tell the DoD where to shove their money, and tell any fans who complain where the exit is.

Right on target

Will you be my president?

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bmoak  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:48:15am

Did you know that in Alabama, if you owe any sort of court fines or legal fees (unpaid traffic tickets, fines, court fees, probation fees, drug testing fees, restitution, etc), you are disenfranchised until those fees are paid off in full?

Guess what population of Alabamans this disproportionately affects and what party they are most likely to vote for.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:48:53am

re: #79 FormerDirtDart

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Not a “new” idea. That is the way it was for YEARS

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:49:27am

re: #81 dangerman

The companies he’s likely to quote had plans to move some portion of business to the US before Trump took office. He’s piggybacking on them.

Meanwhile, Carrier, which he touted as a success story for him, is offshoring jobs at the very factory he visited.

All Trump does is lie.

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nowherenorth2  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:50:49am

re: #86 Targetpractice

No argument on that!

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:51:26am

re: #87 dangerman

Right on target

Will you be my president?

Yes, my rule will be stern but fair. My first act in office will be to order Donald Trump fired…out of a cannon…into the Sun.

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:53:29am

re: #90 lawhawk

The companies he’s likely to quote had plans to move some portion of business to the US before Trump took office. He’s piggybacking on them.

Meanwhile, Carrier, which he touted as a success story for him, is offshoring jobs at the very factory he visited.

All Trump does is lie.

‘zacto

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:54:05am

re: #92 Targetpractice

Yes, my rule will be stern but fair. My first act in office will be to order Donald Trump fired…out of a cannon…into the Sun.

Ok you just bought my vote

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 22, 2017 • 6:56:48am

re: #39 MsJ

This woman is:

and she said that Trump won the popular vote on Hardball the other night.

Then she tweeted this idiocy, to which I responded…

Susan Page

@SusanPage
Apologies. My verbal misstep. (This may be why I’m a print reporter.)



MsJoanne
@MsJoanne
The problem isn’t as much what you said as that you obviously don’t know anything. How are you allowed to be involved in anything journalistic if you are so ignorant of basic facts surrounding the 2016 election? USA Today needs new staff if you’re a Bureau Chief.
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The problem may be something else: When you write something, you can review your words and realize a mistake before you hit send. When speaking, you don’t have that luxury and you may be unaware that your words did not match your intention. I’ve certainly done that — said the exact opposite of what I was thinking but usually catch myself and correct my misstatement.

In a different context, I remember a conversation from over 35 years ago with a colleague who attended a client meeting with one of our top consultants. The consultant inadvertently said something that was erroneous and that she would have known was wrong, but my colleague was afraid to correct her before the clients; since the client had our written report, he decided that it was safer to overlook this error.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:03:08am

re: #88 bmoak

Did you know that in Alabama, if you owe any sort of court fines or legal fees (unpaid traffic tickets, fines, court fees, probation fees, drug testing fees, restitution, etc), you are disenfranchised until those fees are paid off in full?

Guess what population of Alabamans this disproportionately affects and what party they are most likely to vote for.

I believe this is true only if you were convicted of a felony and lost the right to vote. When you are released from probation, the restoration of that right to vote is contingent on repaying any court costs. I don’t think failure to repay causes you to lose an existing right.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:08:46am

re: #88 bmoak

re: #96 Hecuba’s daughter

I believe this is true only if you were convicted of a felony and lost the right to vote. When you are released from probation, the restoration of that right to vote is contingent on repaying any court costs. I don’t think failure to repay causes you to lose an existing right.

That said — this is still heinous and should be prohibited. It is absolutely wrong that someone cannot vote only because they are too poor to vote. It is another form of poll tax and should be outlawed.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:10:25am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:10:29am

re: #64 Anymouse 🌹

My two-year anniversary will be on Dec. 15.

just looked at my registration date: I hit 7 years on Nov 2. where does time go?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:11:51am

re: #23 wheat-dogg

On a more serious note, in the wake of the Roy Moore scandal, someone on the Book of Face group for my high school has started a thread detailing the shenanigans of our physics teacher with several female students. One of the victims (one of my classmates) went into some detail about what he did to her. The school administration knew about all this, and swept it under the carpet for years (all through the 1970s). Finally, said physics teacher was forced to take early retirement, because the sitch only got worse.

As I just told another classmate, these revelations explain a lot of the peculiar teacher-female student interactions I saw in physics class in 10th grade.

That’s not the only place where it happened. Mom’s church had a preacher caught doing it. Several teachers and coaches in my high school did “extracurricular activities” with both boys and girls. Saw several instances in college and lots of instances at work. We had a former manager who for years was involved with a bunch of coworkers. When it came to promotion time we knew why certain people got promoted. Then it went too far and I shall leave it for everyone to figure out the endgame…

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:13:15am

Just looked and realized I’ve been here over 13 years. When I first signed up, I was a penniless college student working at a sub shop. Hard to believe that, 13 years later, I’d look back and think of that as a time when things seemed to make sense.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:13:23am

Charlie Rose…
Not a case where I consider his staff complicit, and thinking a lot of good people are now unemployed with a tough most recent resume entry to cope with. 3 big jobs that had lots of production staff.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:15:40am

I had a ten year anniversary in April

I am working on a goal of 100K updings for the coming year, am pushing 90K already.

I was married back then, a home owner and father of four kids, one just a year old.

That has ALL changed since then.

Except the dad part, of course.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:16:23am

re: #37 Decatur Deb

That tweet is wrong—a majority of my fellow Alabamians are buying into felony rape, not harassment.

Because Jesus forgives Roy ‘cause he’s a Republican!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:18:09am

re: #104 Joe Bacon 🌹

Because Jesus forgives Roy ‘cause he’s a Republican!

and behaving like a Biblical patriarch

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:18:50am

So since we have been here so long, thinking my favorite feature right this minute is the temporary changeable avatar and name. ‘Cause my original Rightwingconspirator would just be misleading rather than snarky to those that don’t know me. Thank you Charles.

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:20:55am

re: #106 Unshaken Defiance

So since we have been here so long, thinking my favorite feature right this minute is the temporary changeable avatar and name. ‘Cause my original Rightwingconspirator would just be misleading rather than snarky to those that don’t know me. Thank you Charles.

Ha! You young whippersnappers and your log-ins and avatars. Back in my day, we had to deal with trolls who’d jump in under a regular poster’s handle and cause chaos for everybody.

Now get off my lawn!

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:22:13am

re: #107 Targetpractice

Not get off my lawn!

Pun intended. :-)

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:24:52am

Time to bust out that ol’ mantra: Preview IS my friend…preview IS my friend…preview IS my friend…

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:25:52am
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:26:29am

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Skip Intro  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:26:55am

In the next 12 months Trump is on track to fill judicial vacancies (thanks, Mitch McConnell) with more lifetime appointments than the previous four presidents COMBINED.

More if the Heritage Foundation gets its way to convert administrative judgeships into lifetime appointments as well.

Your country is being destroyed from within and all you can do is sit back and watch.

This from the Washington Post today.

Happy Thanksgiving.

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I cannot.  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:29:00am

We have a Subway street in town…it’s not underground, nor does it have anything to do with sandwiches.

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:30:17am

re: #111 The Vicious Babushka

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:30:47am

re: #69 Dave In Austin

I see where Meg Whitman just stepped down from HP. And thoughts on her heading up a primary run against the asshole?

She’s every bit the world class liar that Shittler is. Californians remember how she tried to buy the Governorship in 2010. Jerry Brown knew right where her weak points were and he played his “trump cards” at the right time exposing what a fraud she was. I wouldn’t give her or her pal Carly the time of day!

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plansbandc  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:31:32am

Made a few phone calls to my Rep about net neutrality, but her in box is full. Will keep trying.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:32:27am
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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:39:56am

re: #98 FormerDirtDart

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that green looks…..someone needs to get a groundskeeper and a mower out there.

oh, he’s not such a good player…. nevermind

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:40:14am

re: #115 Joe Bacon 🌹

She’s every bit the world class liar that Shittler is. Californians remember how she tried to buy the Governorship in 2010. Jerry Brown knew right where her weak points were and he played his “trump cards” at the right time exposing what a fraud she was. I wouldn’t give her or her pal Carly the time of day!

Rumor is Carly wants to run against Kaine here in Virginia. Can’t see her getting by in a GOP primary here. I think after Gillespie’s loss, they’re going to go all in with Corey Stewart.

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:40:27am

re: #99 Sir John Barron

just looked at my registration date: I hit 7 years on Nov 2. where does time go?

there is no time.
there is only now.
;-)

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:43:27am

re: #107 Targetpractice

Ha! You young whippersnappers and your log-ins and avatars. Back in my day, we had to deal with trolls who’d jump in under a regular poster’s handle and cause chaos for everybody.

Now get off my lawn!

that is so dial-up //

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:43:56am

re: #119 HappyWarrior

Rumor is Carly wants to run against Kaine here in Virginia. Can’t see her getting by in a GOP primary here. I think after Gillespie’s loss, they’re going to go all in with Corey Stewart.

Happy that crook ripped me off for a tidy sum of cash for coding work I did “on spec”. Ask the folks she fired at HP. Better yet, ask my cousin’s widow how she feels about the shrew who drained the Lucent pension fund, stripped people of health care and got a golden parachute while my cousin Mark was left with just a piece of paper that was worthless!

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:44:37am

re: #111 The Vicious Babushka

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:45:14am

re: #110 lawhawk

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good bad or otherwise, note this is three days after clinton’s visit

there was no “HEY EVERYONE LOOK HERE. GUESS WHERE IM GOING NEXT WEEK!!!!”

(im assuming)

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plansbandc  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:45:18am

Youngster here. A mere 6 years.

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:45:30am

Who are the moral majority?

It’s not the GOP. IT NEVER WAS.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:46:36am

Morning Lizardim.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:47:36am

re: #126 lawhawk

Who are the moral majority?

It’s not the GOP. IT NEVER WAS.

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All the proof you need to prove that Republicans talk the Jesus talk but they ALL walk the Ayn Rand walk!

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:47:40am

re: #124 dangerman

Very under the radar coverage; and you had Politico questioning whether Democrats should reexamine Clinton’s behavior (which was endlessly investigated, litigated, impeached, lost law license over, settlements, etc.) all while Clinton was doing the very kind of work current sex predator, bigot, and compromised Trump should have been doing. Instead Trump was instead spending more time golfing than helping Puerto Rico.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:49:28am

Lying to our face again

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:49:34am

I remember Thanksgivings when Carter, Clinton and Obama actually served meals to the poor…and Nixon, Pruneface Reagan, Old Fart Bush, Dumbya and Orange Foolius sat down to a feast for themselves…

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:51:02am
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JordanRules  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:52:48am

re: #132 Stanley Sea

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:52:50am

re: #132 Stanley Sea

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Angry rage-tweet in 3…2…1…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:54:01am

re: #132 Stanley Sea

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Hey, folks! Remember what Norquist said about the kind of President he wanted?????

Is there any doubt left that isn’t what Putin and his Republican operatives installed?

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:54:21am

re: #131 Joe Bacon 🌹

I remember Thanksgivings when Carter, Clinton and Obama actually served meals to the poor…and Nixon, Pruneface Reagan, Old Fart Bush, Dumbya and Orange Foolius sat down to a feast for themselves…

Not accurate. GWB served meals to troops in Iraq in 2003 (secret trip itinerary in Iraq).
GHWB also served meals with troops in 1990.

theatlantic.com

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 7:57:17am

re: #136 lawhawk

Not accurate. GWB served meals to troops in Iraq in 2003 (secret trip itinerary in Iraq).
GHWB also served meals with troops in 1990.

theatlantic.com

I stand corrected. I just remember Dumbya with the fake turkey…

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:00:43am

re: #132 Stanley Sea

This could already be the best hump-day ever…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:01:15am

JFC.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:01:15am
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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:02:48am

think this might hurt some?
hard to say.

President Trump and accusations of sexual misconduct.
The complete, unabridged collection:

Washington Post

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:03:42am
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Belafon  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:03:48am

re: #122 Joe Bacon 🌹

Commas save lives:

Happy that crook ripped me off for a tidy sum of cash for coding work I did “on spec”.

or

Happy, that crook ripped me off for a tidy sum of cash for coding work I did “on spec”.

:)

It took me a few reads to realize you were referring to HappyWarrior.

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:04:00am

re: #138 FormerDirtDart

This could already be the best hump-day ever…

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“I dont want to throw him under the bus but yes”

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:04:48am

re: #143 Belafon

Commas save lives:

or

:)

It took me a few reads to realize you were referring to HappyWarrior.

“eats shoots and leaves”

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:05:14am

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s the creep who molested a bunch of USA gymnastics athletes, including Aly Raisman.

25 years… still somehow insufficient to deal with the fact he molested dozens of girls over 125 girls.

Nassar has pleaded guilty on child porn, faces multiple lawsuits, and more criminal charges besides the federal charges.

Oh, and Gabby Douglass also admits that she too was abused by Nassar.

slate.com

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:09:02am

re: #136 lawhawk

Not accurate. GWB served meals to troops in Iraq in 2003 (secret trip itinerary in Iraq).
GHWB also served meals with troops in 1990.

theatlantic.com

lol, I forgot about that plastic turkey he was carrying around.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:10:59am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:13:35am
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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:15:28am

re: #138 FormerDirtDart

This could already be the best hump-day ever…

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Which means there’s going to be a very tense phone call in Cohn’s future, followed by his being pushed before the cameras to totally disavow the story, declare it “fake news,” and insist he would never do such a thing to Hair Gropenfuhrer.

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:18:25am

this is a burrowing owl

they are threatened, so if you find a burrow, you are supposed to rope it off and not molest them. many homes, parks, etc have these small protected areas. there’s a park about a quarter mile from us that has a bunch of burrows. we dug a burrow on our property. no one every came that quarter mile to visit.

we found this owl last night when we got out of the car in a publix parking lot. it’s perched on a fence surrounding a construction area. they tend to not go far from the burrows, so i cant figure it.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:19:10am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:19:38am

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

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As I recall, Geller defended this monster. As have many “Anti-Jihadists.” As an American with roots in the Balkans, glad that justice was served. Remember the victims today.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:27:02am

re: #111 The Vicious Babushka

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:40:34am

An interesting bit of news today.

China’s Hainan Airlines successfully completed its first-ever, international flight using biofuel. The plane took off from Beijing and landed in Chicago ahead of schedule. The company hopes the fuel can be used on even more flights.

Hainan Airlines Flight 497 arrived at Chicago’s O’Hare airport to a water canon salute. It was the first-time a plane using biofuel had flown from China’s mainland to the United States. The base component of the fuel’s formula was waste, cooking oil.

The president of Hainan Airlines, Sun Jianfeng, had a birds-eye view for the event, given he captained the flight.

“Hainan Airlines wants to be the greenest airlines in the world which is why we use biofuel this time. Today’s flight is a special flight but I hope in the near future that this will be a normal flight. That is my hope,” he said.

america.cgtn.com

Meanwhile, Trump wants to bring back coal. Let that sink in.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:42:09am

re: #36 Decatur Deb

The best possible Democratic candidate in Alabama is running against the worst imaginable Republican candidate, and I would not take a serious bet at 50-50.

Just like the best Democratic candidate ran against the worst imaginable Republican candidate for President last November and we saw how that went.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:42:14am

re: #155 Dr Lizardo

An interesting bit of news today.

america.cgtn.com

Meanwhile, Trump wants to bring back coal. Let that sink in.

I see coal very much defining what Trump is even though he wouldn’t last a day in a mine. It’s dated, it’s dirty, it’s not safe, and it doesn’t provide nearly as much jobs as its proponents claim.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:44:47am

re: #152 FormerDirtDart

Wow. So glad to see that he was successful and is now safely in South Korea. Sad to see that this is how millions of our fellow human beings are living in 2017.

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:44:49am

re: #155 Dr Lizardo

An interesting bit of news today.

america.cgtn.com

Meanwhile, Trump wants to bring back coal. Let that sink in.

coal fired airplanes?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:50:11am

re: #159 dangerman

coal fired airplanes?

Those are only cool for Steampunk purposes.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:51:18am

I will say this though. As a descendant of hard working, note that phrase please, coal miners, I hate that Trump is associated with coal mining.

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plf1953  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:52:49am

re: #2 JordanRules

If we’re making donations to book his space in hell, I’m in.

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plf1953  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:54:13am

re: #162 plf1953

How ‘bout we double up on those donations and book Trump a space along side old Roy?

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:55:52am

re: #126 lawhawk

The Party of Family Values which claims to be the moral majority. This is who they are now.

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:56:18am

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He was a truly evil man who left his mark via his disciple Anders Breivik 16 years later in Norway.

Did Mladic ever show any remorse for what his supporter Breivik did in his name in Utoya?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:56:35am

re: #164 Patricia Kayden

The Party of Family Values which claims to be the moral majority. This is who they are now.

They”ve always been hypocrites. And you saw that the minute they preferred Reagan over Carter.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:57:15am

re: #165 electrotek

He was a truly evil man who left his mark via his disciple Anders Breivik 16 years later in Norway.

Did Mladic ever show any remorse for what his supporter Breivik did in his name in Utoya?

I very much doubt it. I wonder if this administration wlil comment at all given the number of anti-Muslim bigots present.

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:57:45am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

I very much doubt it. I wonder if this administration wlil comment at all given the number of anti-Muslim bigots present.

They do get very touchy when you bring up Breivik, but suddenly wax poetics over Mladic.

Why the cognitive dissonance here?

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ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:00:16am

Hey all!

I’ve been busy and hadn’t had time to continue my “project.”

Just finished…

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:01:39am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:02:38am

re: #168 electrotek

They do get very touchy when you bring up Breivik, but suddenly wax poetics over Mladic.

Why the cognitive dissonance here?

I have no idea honestly.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:03:19am

re: #170 Stanley Sea

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You don’t get economists agreeing that often.

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makeitstop  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:08:07am

re: #169 ObserverArt

Hey all!

I’ve been busy and hadn’t had time to continue my “project.”

Just finished…

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:10:06am

re: #173 makeitstop

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MsJ  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:10:30am

re: #169 ObserverArt

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:10:31am

re: #159 dangerman

coal fired airplanes?

The US spent years and over $1 billion (in 1950/60’s dollars) to develop nuclear powered aircraft…let that sink in, so to speak

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:15:00am

re: #169 ObserverArt

Hey all!

I’ve been busy and hadn’t had time to continue my “project.”

Just finished…

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:15:49am

re: #170 Stanley Sea

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danarchy  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:19:34am

re: #176 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The US spent years and over $1 billion (in 1950/60’s dollars) to develop nuclear powered aircraft…let that sink in, so to speak

Well this is also when they commonly did open air testing of nukes and people had mushroom cloud viewing parties. Aside from the immediate destructive effects folks didn’t seem to really appreciate the dangers involved.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:20:46am

re: #179 danarchy

Well this is also when they commonly did open air testing of nukes and people had mushroom cloud viewing parties. Aside from the immediate destructive effects folks didn’t seem to really appreciate the dangers involved.

duck and cover!

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:22:56am

Never forget 20 years ago today

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William Lewis  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:24:47am

re: #176 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The US spent years and over $1 billion (in 1950/60’s dollars) to develop nuclear powered aircraft…let that sink in, so to speak

“A Colder War” . Short story uses them, amung other … Things…

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:25:58am

re: #176 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The US spent years and over $1 billion (in 1950/60’s dollars) to develop nuclear powered aircraft…let that sink in, so to speak

Atoms for Peace.

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nines09  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:27:25am

Cold hard truth from Jim.

Facebook

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:30:03am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

I very much doubt it. I wonder if this administration wlil comment at all given the number of anti-Muslim bigots present.

At one time my husband and I were friends with a woman of Serbian ancestry. She still hated Turks and Muslims because of conflicts in the 13th or 14th century. Many Europeans and Southerners hold on to the past — the ancient past — instead of looking to solutions for current problems.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:30:20am

re: #111 The Vicious Babushka

Hope you and yours have a great time in Israel. Sure would like to see some pictures if you can post them!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:31:06am

re: #184 nines09

Cold hard truth from Jim.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:31:37am

re: #169 ObserverArt

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:31:47am

re: #185 Hecuba’s daughter

At one time my husband and I were friends with a woman of Serbian ancestry. She still hated Turks and Muslims because of conflicts in the 13th or 14th century. Many Europeans and Southerners hold on to the past — the ancient past — instead of looking to solutions for current problems.

I would tell her to get over it.

It was centuries ago for Christ’s sake. You don’t see me hating the Brits for colonizing the Indian subcontinent for many years.

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ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:31:53am

re: #174 Renaissance_Man

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:33:13am

re: #185 Hecuba’s daughter

At one time my husband and I were friends with a woman of Serbian ancestry. She still hated Turks and Muslims because of conflicts in the 13th or 14th century. Many Europeans and Southerners hold on to the past — the ancient past — instead of looking to solutions for current problems.

That’s unfortunate. My grandfather- Slovene-American, one of his best friends was Serbian-American. They had a good amount in common- Steelers fans, Democrats, Pennsylvania natives, had kids around the same age, etc. We can’t forget the past but we can’t hold on to it either. I’m of Irish descent on my dad’s mom’s side. I admit it, I do hate and think about the Potato Famine and its impact but I don’t hate individual British people for that.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:33:47am

re: #184 nines09

Cold hard truth from Jim.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:34:30am

re: #189 electrotek

I would tell her to get over it.

It was centuries ago for Christ’s sake. You don’t see me hating the Brits for colonizing the Indian subcontinent for many years.

What I love is for white people, African-Americans need to get over slavery but the Civil War can remain a festering wound to White Southerners. You just gotta see people as people. And as an ethnic mutt, I’d be hating myself if I let old hates get in the way.

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:34:51am

re: #184 nines09

Cold hard truth from Jim.

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i think part of the problem is there is no one monolithic “we” / (usa) / america

while there is one american image, driven by those in power, there are definitely two “americas” if not more

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:36:01am

re: #193 HappyWarrior

What I love is for white people, African-Americans need to get over slavery but the Civil War can remain a festering wound to White Southerners. You just gotta see people as people. And as an ethnic mutt, I’d be hating myself if I let old hates get in the way.

It even amuses me when they gripe about Albanians…when Albanians were able to break the yoke of Turkish occupation via Skenderbeg…who is venerated among both Albanian Muslims and Christians.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:38:25am

re: #194 dangerman

i think part of the problem is there is no one monolithic “we” / (usa) / america

while there is one american image, driven by those in power, there are definitely two “americas” if not more

I’ve contended for some time that John Edwards was right to talk about two Americas but I think he was wrong about the economic implications. You got many Americans, I’d say our crowd here and in urban areas and many suburban areas that have embraced our changes as a country. They had no problem with a Kenyan-American as their President. They embraced Obergefell as the right decision. They are perhaps immigrants themselves, children or grandchildren of them, or at the very least have immigrants who are very special to them in their friends and or family. They embrace change. Then you have the others. Obama’s election scared the crap out of them. They honestly don’t like being told that change has happened and that’s who the Tea Party first got to and later Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:40:14am

re: #195 electrotek

It even amuses me when they gripe about Albanians…when Albanians were able to break the yoke of Turkish occupation via Skenderbeg…who is venerated among both Albanian Muslims and Christians.

Yeah I don’t get it either but old grudges man. I just try to treat people as individuals. We had a very standoffish Peruvian dude when I worked at a tech firm. But you know what, I don’t judge all Peruvians because of that dude not just because my niece is half Peruvian-American but because her mom’s family even though, I’m juts their daughter’s brother in law treats me like another member of the fam. Even got invited this winter to my SiL’s older sister’s Christmas party.

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:40:49am

re: #196 HappyWarrior

I’ve contended for some time that John Edwards was right to talk about two Americas but I think he was wrong about the economic implications. You got many Americans, I’d say our crowd here and in urban areas and many suburban areas that have embraced our changes as a country. They had no problem with a Kenyan-American as their President. They embraced Obergefell as the right decision. They are perhaps immigrants themselves, children or grandchildren of them, or at the very least have immigrants who are very special to them in their friends and or family. They embrace change. Then you have the others. Obama’s election scared the crap out of them. They honestly don’t like being told that change has happened and that’s who the Tea Party first got to and later Trump.

well put and why there isn’t one “we”

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ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:41:18am

re: #175 MsJ

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ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:43:41am

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plansbandc  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:44:56am

Gorgeous live version of “Fingers of Love” by Crowded House…

Fingers Of Love - Crowded House - Farewell to the World Concert 1996

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JordanRules  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:45:12am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:46:22am

re: #202 JordanRules

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The Republicans’ worst nightmare is coming true. People are using ACA.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:46:38am

re: #155 Dr Lizardo

An interesting bit of news today.

america.cgtn.com

Meanwhile, Trump wants to bring back coal. Let that sink in.

Well, Trump SAYS he wants to bring back coal, because mining coal is something White Men do, almost exclusively here in America. The Jobs of the Future? White men don’t have a lock on those.

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wrenchwench  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:46:44am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t get it either but old grudges man. I just try to treat people as individuals. We had a very standoffish Peruvian dude when I worked at a tech firm. But you know what, I don’t judge all Peruvians because of that dude not just because my niece is half Peruvian-American but because her mom’s family even though, I’m juts their daughter’s brother in law treats me like another member of the fam. Even got invited this winter to my SiL’s older sister’s Christmas party.

My neurologist in the ICU got his medical degree from National University of San Marcos, the oldest University in the Americas (founded in 1551). So naturally I am a fan of all Peruvians.

/semi

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makeitstop  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:47:07am

re: #200 ObserverArt

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:47:27am

re: #198 dangerman

well put and why there isn’t one “we”

And you know it’s further complicated because a person can be in Group A but live among Group B and vice versa. I definitely live in a conservative area but I grew up in a more moderate, now liberal area and that area definitely shaped me.

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:49:33am

re: #200 ObserverArt

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:49:48am

re: #205 wrenchwench

My neurologist in the ICU got his medical degree from National University of San Marcos, the oldest University in the Americas (founded in 1551). So naturally I am a fan of all Peruvians.

/semi

They have great food! But joking aside, it’s funny how it turned out because one of my good friends growing up was also Peruvian. My brother and I didn’t really understand the beautiful diversity of South America at that time so we were shocked that his father was light skinned. And then my brother married his wife, turns out that his FiL’s maternal grandparents have their roots in Croatia, not too far from our own mom’s paternal grandparents Slovenia. Lovely family and we of course all have my niece in common now too who always makes us smile.

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ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:50:06am

re: #206 makeitstop

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:50:36am

re: #203 HappyWarrior

The Republicans’ worst nightmare is coming true. People are using ACA.

…in the face of scale backs, a shrunk calendar, all but no advertising….

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ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:51:25am

re: #211 dangerman

…in the face of scale backs, a shrunk calendar, all but no advertising….

Thanks Obama!

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:51:36am

re: #156 Patricia Kayden

Just like the best Democratic candidate ran against the worst imaginable Republican candidate for President last November and we saw how that went.

She was the best among the people running and I think she could have been a great president, although the Republicans would have obstructed every action she would have taken. But, given the misogyny, the damage done to her by the Clinton-haters over the years and the Comey interference, I wonder if Biden might have proved a more successful candidate.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:51:59am

re: #196 HappyWarrior

I’ve contended for some time that John Edwards was right to talk about two Americas but I think he was wrong about the economic implications. You got many Americans, I’d say our crowd here and in urban areas and many suburban areas that have embraced our changes as a country. They had no problem with a Kenyan-American as their President. They embraced Obergefell as the right decision. They are perhaps immigrants themselves, children or grandchildren of them, or at the very least have immigrants who are very special to them in their friends and or family. They embrace change. Then you have the others. Obama’s election scared the crap out of them. They honestly don’t like being told that change has happened and that’s who the Tea Party first got to and later Trump.

Mostly, the people most afraid of change are the ones living where there hasn’t been much change. People who live where almost everyone is white are most afraid of immigrants and PoC’s. People who live where there are no Muslims are the most Islamophobic. People who don’t realize they know any gay people are most afraid of marriage equality.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:53:40am

re: #204 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, Trump SAYS he wants to bring back coal, because mining coal is something White Men do, almost exclusively here in America. The Jobs of the Future? White men don’t have a lock on those.

They are convinced that all they have to do is get rid of all those pesky government environmental, health and safety regulations and the good-paying jobs will come roaring back — without the need for unions.

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makeitstop  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:54:00am

re: #210 ObserverArt

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wrenchwench  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:54:14am

re: #209 HappyWarrior

They have great food! But joking aside, it’s funny how it turned out because one of my good friends growing up was also Peruvian. My brother and I didn’t really understand the beautiful diversity of South America at that time so we were shocked that his father was light skinned. And then my brother married his wife, turns out that his FiL’s maternal grandparents have their roots in Croatia, not too far from our own mom’s paternal grandparents Slovenia. Lovely family and we of course all have my niece in common now too who always makes us smile.

A world so small, you’ve gotta be careful about marrying a cousin. Actually, the marriage part is OK, just can’t have kids together. I know married cousins, sworn to childlessness.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:54:19am

re: #214 Blind Frog Belly White

Mostly, the people most afraid of change are the ones living where there hasn’t been much change. People who live where almost everyone is white are most afraid of immigrants and PoC’s. People who live where there are no Muslims are the most Islamophobic. People who don’t realize they know any gay people are most afraid of marriage equality.

Absolutely on all counts. I’ve known Muslims shit man my whole life. I’ve never felt threatened by Muslims. I’ve had them as friends, classmates, teammates, co-workers, etc. Same thing with me realizing I knew gay people. Meeting a gay cousin in my early teens definitely got me out of my early teenage homophobia that a lot of kids do display. And with immigrants, I always knew my mom’s parents were the children of them so I always empathized.

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Bubblehead II  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:54:40am

re: #169 ObserverArt

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:55:08am

re: #217 wrenchwench

A world so small, you’ve gotta be careful about marrying a cousin. Actually, the marriage part is OK, just can’t have kids together. I know married cousins, sworn to childlessness.

It is a small world indeed.

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:56:03am
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gocart mozart  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:56:38am

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:57:20am

You know, I think Ziggy Tardis or whatever his name was had some crazy ideas but I don’t think he was necessarily wrong about the idea of having Muslims and others settle in red areas. Now, I disagreed with the motivation. He saw it as a means of turning red areas blue but I see it as people actually meeting people who are different. That way, your first thought with Muslim becomes less ISIS or terrorism but your neighbor or that guy who has that great restaurant or something like that.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:58:21am

re: #223 HappyWarrior

ProLifeLiberal I think was his original nic.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:58:39am

re: #215 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are convinced that all they have to do is get rid of all those pesky government environmental, health and safety regulations and the good-paying jobs will come roaring back — without the need for unions.

The alternative is accepting that the world where the White Man was King is gone, and not coming back, and changing their expectations. Plus, one of the traits that distinguish Trump voters from Clinton voters is geographic mobility - whether they’ve ever moved more than a few miles from their home town. Clinton voters are more likely to have moved across the state or the country for work. Trump voters believe that America owes them a well paid job with good benefits where they currently live - hence the fantasy of coal mines reopening.

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JordanRules  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:00:00am
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wrenchwench  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:01:11am

re: #221 lawhawk

[Facebook just announced that they will be creating a tool to allow people to see if they liked or followed the Russian propaganda accounts.]

Now I have to decide which step is enough to call off my one-woman boycott of FB. Not that I miss it, but it reinforces my point if I reinforce a step they take. Did they really take rubles for Trump ads?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:02:16am

re: #224 Eclectic Cyborg

ProLifeLiberal I think was his original nic.

That’s right.

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danarchy  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:02:19am

re: #214 Blind Frog Belly White

Mostly, the people most afraid of change are the ones living where there hasn’t been much change. People who live where almost everyone is white are most afraid of immigrants and PoC’s. People who live where there are no Muslims are the most Islamophobic. People who don’t realize they know any gay people are most afraid of marriage equality.

I am not entirely sure this holds up. Demographically New England is pretty lilly white, but yet is very progressive, sanctuary cities popping up all over the place etc. Whereas places like Alabama and Georgia are a good bit more diverse racially and yet are very conservative.

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Citizen K  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:02:23am
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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:03:36am

re: #224 Eclectic Cyborg

ProLifeLiberal I think was his original nic.

I see him on twitter all the time. He’s doing OK.

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wrenchwench  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:04:42am

re: #223 HappyWarrior

You know, I think Ziggy Tardis or whatever his name was had some crazy ideas but I don’t think he was necessarily wrong about the idea of having Muslims and others settle in red areas. Now, I disagreed with the motivation. He saw it as a means of turning red areas blue but I see it as people actually meeting people who are different. That way, your first thought with Muslim becomes less ISIS or terrorism but your neighbor or that guy who has that great restaurant or something like that.

When schools were being integrated through busing, I had the thought that the most effective way to integrate the schools would be to integrate the neighborhoods. I was a teenager, I thought it could happen in my lifetime. But even then I knew chances were thin.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:05:48am

re: #231 Stanley Sea

I see him on twitter all the time. He’s doing OK.

Good to hear.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:05:58am

re: #231 Stanley Sea

I see him on twitter all the time. He’s doing OK.

Good to know. I know he had some demons he was fighting. I felt bad for him at times but dude could really take things too far.

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ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:05:58am

Version 2….

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:07:23am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:07:24am

re: #234 Eclectic Cyborg

Good to know. I know he had some demons he was fighting. I felt bad for him at times but dude could really take things too far.

Indeed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:07:50am

re: #223 HappyWarrior

You know, I think Ziggy Tardis or whatever his name was had some crazy ideas but I don’t think he was necessarily wrong about the idea of having Muslims and others settle in red areas. Now, I disagreed with the motivation. He saw it as a means of turning red areas blue but I see it as people actually meeting people who are different. That way, your first thought with Muslim becomes less ISIS or terrorism but your neighbor or that guy who has that great restaurant or something like that.

Funny thing about my wingnut cousin - when I talk about immigrants or blacks, he say, “I live among these people”, but I looked up the demographics of the town where he lives. 98.97% white, which means in that town of 3000 people, there would be about 30 people IN THE WHOLE TOWN who aren’t white. It works out to 2 black people, and 8 Hispanic.

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wrenchwench  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:07:55am

re: #231 Stanley Sea

I see him on twitter all the time. He’s doing OK.

He’s the most frequent retweeter of my retweets. (I don’t have much that I originate.)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:08:59am

re: #238 Blind Frog Belly White

Funny thing about my wingnut cousin - when I talk about immigrants or blacks, he say, “I live among these people”, but I looked up the demographics of the town where he lives. 98.97% white, which means in that town of 3000 people, there would be about 30 people IN THE WHOLE TOWN who aren’t white. It works out to 2 black people, and 8 Hispanic.

That’s very white.

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makeitstop  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:09:29am

re: #236 Stanley Sea

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Good ad. An appeal to those who might still have a shred of conscience.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:11:09am

re: #241 makeitstop

Good ad. An appeal to those who might still have a shred of conscience.

His ads have been very good.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:12:07am

re: #240 HappyWarrior

That’s very white.

It’s whiter than the state as a whole, which is 94% white.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:12:41am

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:12:47am

re: #243 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s whiter than the state as a whole, which is 94% white.

And I imagine among those whites, there’s not much diversity either.

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Bubblehead II  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:13:12am

re: #235 ObserverArt

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:15:32am

re: #235 ObserverArt

Not sure about the

“I like I can use it” line.

Sounds weird.

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ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:16:11am

re: #246 Bubblehead II

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:16:14am
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plansbandc  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:16:28am

Fall walk in little red suit…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:16:59am

re: #221 lawhawk

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How do we know Russians didn’t make the tool?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:17:05am

re: #226 JordanRules

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so many updings I want to give for that.

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ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:17:41am

re: #247 Stanley Sea

Not sure about the

“I like I can use it” line.

Sounds weird.

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JordanRules  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:18:13am

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

It touched on so much. So much.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:18:34am

re: #253 ObserverArt

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:19:12am
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Interesting Times  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:20:04am

re: #253 ObserverArt

Then how about just saying…

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:20:29am

re: #250 plansbandc

Fall walk in little red suit…

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“won’t you please get me out of this?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:22:02am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:22:03am

re: #238 Blind Frog Belly White

Funny thing about my wingnut cousin - when I talk about immigrants or blacks, he say, “I live among these people”, but I looked up the demographics of the town where he lives. 98.97% white, which means in that town of 3000 people, there would be about 30 people IN THE WHOLE TOWN who aren’t white. It works out to 2 black people, and 8 Hispanic.

Remember the old South: a few whites with a plantation of blacks. Southerners never had problems living among blacks as long as they knew their place, weren’t “uppity”, and didn’t vote, and served the white establishment. My brother talks about how integrated his neighborhood is. He thinks Texas is the greatest state and is all on board with voter suppression.

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ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:22:26am

Charles if you could, can you take the image out of #169?

I deleted it from the image library already. I just want to make sure no one can use it.

Thanks.

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plansbandc  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:22:53am

re: #258 dangerman

He really likes clothes, just wanted to GOFORWALK not stand there taking pics. :D

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JordanRules  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:23:09am

re: #253 ObserverArt

How about just “I can use it…”

You hit on the I thing in lots of other places that I think losing that phrasing on that one wouldn’t sacrifice much.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:23:33am

re: #262 plansbandc

He really likes clothes, just wanted to GOFORWALK not stand there taking pics. :D

I did notice the blurred tail…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:25:36am
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JordanRules  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:25:54am

re: #257 Interesting Times

D’oh. I missed this. You beat me to it.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:27:08am

re: #235 ObserverArt

Version 2….

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nines09  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:28:52am

re: #262 plansbandc

He really likes clothes, just wanted to GOFORWALK not stand there taking pics. :D

I’m on my 9th year of my little mutt. I used to see small dogs in clothes and think, “Poor dog. People making him/her wear that.”
THEN my daughter brought home a sweater for our Cookie and he went bananas. He LOVES the sweaters and shirts.
Whoda thunk it?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:30:23am

Annual reminder to never throw out your scraps.

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ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:30:24am

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wrenchwench  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:32:01am

re: #254 JordanRules

It touched on so much. So much.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:32:40am

re: #260 Hecuba’s daughter

Remember the old South: a few whites with a plantation of blacks. Southerners never had problems living among blacks as long as they knew their place, weren’t “uppity”, and didn’t vote, and served the white establishment. My brother talks about how integrated his neighborhood is. He thinks Texas is the greatest state and is all on board with voter suppression.

At least 2 Southern states had majority black populations in 1860, South Carolina and Mississippi, IIRC. Fear of slave revolt was very real.

I remember reading about at least one, years ago, where the slaves had revolted and killed a number of white people. I remember at the time thinking how awful that was. It seemed almost evil.

Now? It’s hard to see it any other way than that whites waged war on black constantly from the 17 Century on. It’s hard to see anyone white in that system as innocent. It’s hard to see the violence of the revolt as anything other than justified.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:33:22am

re: #130 Stanley Sea

Lying to our face again

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I thought I read somewhere that Roman Abramovich and Robert Mercer had parked their yachts at the Winter White House. So maybe he does have a full day of meetings.

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wrenchwench  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:34:38am

re: #268 nines09

I’m on my 9th year of my little mutt. I used to see small dogs in clothes and think, “Poor dog. People making him/her wear that.”
THEN my daughter brought home a sweater for our Cookie and he went bananas. He LOVES the sweaters and shirts.
Whoda thunk it?

Is nine your magic number?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:36:00am
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:36:01am

WTF? Now there are alt-furries?

newsweek.com

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:37:28am

re: #270 ObserverArt

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nines09  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:41:47am

re: #274 wrenchwench

Is nine your magic number?

Yes. Just for starters my 3 children were born on the 9th, 19th and 29th. Of different months of course.

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ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:42:29am

re: #277 dangerman

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:43:44am

re: #276 Barefoot Grin

WTF? Now there are alt-furries?

newsweek.com

Yeah apparently so.

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wrenchwench  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:46:03am

re: #278 nines09

Yes. Just for starters my 3 children were born on the 9th, 19th and 29th. Of different months of course.

Got time for 6 more kids? Wait, Cheaper by the Dozen. I read the book, I saw the movie. Don’t go there.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:51:26am
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ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:54:23am

Just a reminder for members. Please do not use the image in #169. I do not want it circulated. I took it out of the image library and have asked Charles to remove it.

Thanks!

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petesh  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:55:29am

re: #185 Hecuba’s daughter

… Many Europeans and Southerners hold on to the past — the ancient past — instead of looking to solutions for current problems.

Many Europeans and Southerners people hold on to the past — the ancient past — instead of looking to solutions for current problems.

Fixed for even more accuracy.

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Kragar  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:59:02am
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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:59:33am

oh dear lord….

REP. JOE BARTON
APOLOGIZES FOR SENDING JUNK PICS
And Sexting Woman

tmz.com

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:02:04am

re: #286 bill d. (b.d.)

oh dear lord….
REP. JOE BARTON
APOLOGIZES FOR SENDING JUNK PICS
And Sexting Woman

tmz.com

he should resign!!!!

too soon?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:06:50am

re: #271 wrenchwench

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:06:52am

re: #286 bill d. (b.d.)

oh dear lord….

tmz.com

Resign.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:07:44am

re: #289 HappyWarrior

Resign.

and pay for all of the brain bleach that he has made people use.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:09:31am

re: #285 Kragar

That’s odd. Why resign now with only a couple weeks to the election?

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ObserverArt  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:11:14am

re: #291 Dr Lizardo

That’s odd. Why resign now with only a couple weeks to the election?

Maybe he has hit the wall with all the bullshit and decided he wanted less of it covering him.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:11:24am

re: #291 Dr Lizardo

That’s odd. Why resign now with only a couple weeks to the election?

Probably didn’t get paid…

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:11:33am

FYI

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:11:55am

re: #286 bill d. (b.d.)

oh dear lord….

tmz.com

Humans may have a thin veneer of culture and civilization but we may be closer to our chimpanzee cousins than we would like to think. If chimps could text, this is likely the message that they would send.

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makeitstop  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:12:42am

re: #291 Dr Lizardo

That’s odd. Why resign now with only a couple weeks to the election?

He saw the internal polling?

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:13:57am

re: #291 Dr Lizardo

That’s odd. Why resign now with only a couple weeks to the election?

Maybe Moore hit on his teenage daughter?

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:13:59am

re: #292 ObserverArt

re: #293 bill d. (b.d.)

Maybe…..it just strikes me as weird timing. Maybe something big is about to drop and he’s thinking there’s no way he can spin it? After all, as campaign comms director, he’d certainly be well-placed to know that.

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nines09  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:14:03am

re: #281 wrenchwench

I’m crazy enough.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:15:32am

Took Zeena in for an ultrasound this morning, since she had suffered a relapse of the ‘Not-Hungrys’ last week. This week she’s been eating like she’s famished again, and gained back a pound or so. She seems happy and about as energetic as Greyhounds that age ever get.

The vet called with the news that some of her abdominal lymph nodes are enlarged a bit, maybe large enough to suggest lymphoma. Vet asked if they could do a needle biopsy and test, so I said yes.

I looked up canine lymphoma, of course. There’s a treatment course that works well, extending survival from a median of 1 month to a median of 12 months. The treatment course is about $7000. Zeena is now 12 1/4 years old. Greyhounds usually live 12-14 years.

With Rhyo, our Golden, it was simpler. He was fine on Thursday, sick on Friday, and diagnosed with metastatic hemangiosarcoma on Saturday. He was bleeding internally and it was inoperable and untreatable. There was really no decision to make.

Zeena? She’s had a good life. She loves it here. She’s about as old as Greyhounds get.

Mind you, this is still uncertain. The vet said the nodes were a bit enlarged, which was suggestive of maybe lymphoma. She didn’t say anything about any other masses, like spleen or liver, and her blood tests have all been normal. Maybe it’s NOT lymphoma, or maybe it’s early stage?

How far do you go to treat an old dog who’s had a good life and is reaching the end of her expected lifespan anyway?

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:16:35am

Never thought I would be defending Joe Barton on anything, but.

NOTICE TO MEN: DO NOT TAKE, OR SEND, PICTURES OF YOUR JUNK.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:17:00am

re: #279 ObserverArt

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:17:57am

re: #295 Hecuba’s daughter

Humans may have a thin veneer of culture and civilization but we may be closer to our chimpanzee cousins than we would like to think. If chimps could text, this is likely the message that they would send.

chimps would be texting pictures of poo, or more meta, flying/ flinging poo, at each other

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JordanRules  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:18:01am

We’re dealing with our Tax Scam while the Brits are dealing with their 2017 Budget drama.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:18:40am

re: #301 jaunte

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Never thought I would be defending Joe Barton on anything, but.

NOTICE TO MEN: DO NOT TAKE, OR SEND, PICTURES OF YOUR JUNK.

A sitting US Congressman setting himself up to be potentially blackmailed, this is the kind of spy shit that you read about because it so easily common.

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electrotek  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:18:45am

re: #301 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Never thought I would be defending Joe Barton on anything, but.

NOTICE TO MEN: DO NOT TAKE, OR SEND, PICTURES OF YOUR JUNK.

Way ahead of you there. I don’t trust anyone with them pics, lest they can use it for blackmail or public humiliation.

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Kragar  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:18:52am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:19:00am

re: #286 bill d. (b.d.)

oh dear lord….

tmz.com

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!

BUT AL FRANKEN!!!1111!!!!!!!!!

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:19:46am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:20:07am

re: #304 JordanRules

These two projections certainly stand out:

- Growth below 2% in every forecast year for first time in modern history.
- Annual pay not due to return to 2008 peak until 2025.

Holy shit; that’s abysmal.

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JordanRules  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:20:45am

re: #301 jaunte

Yeah, I’m not sure what the deal is here other than, aww man, why’d someone have to make that public.

If dude was separated and everything was consensual with adults…get your freak on sir. You and your party shouldn’t be in charge of shit, but that’s neither here nor there.

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wrenchwench  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:20:54am

re: #300 Blind Frog Belly White

I thought of you when I heard about the Navy plane crash this morning on the radio, because they kept saying ‘see two greyhound’.

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JordanRules  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:24:16am

re: #310 Dr Lizardo

Add in some more Brexit uncertainty and wheeee! It could be quite a ride.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:24:21am

re: #304 JordanRules

We’re dealing with our Tax Scam while the Brits are dealing with their 2017 Budget drama.

George Eaton‏Verified account
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The most remarkable #Budget2017 stats.

- Deficit not due to be eliminated until 2031 (16 years late).
- Growth below 2% in every forecast year for first time in modern history.
- Annual pay not due to return to 2008 peak until 2025.

Courtesy of Brexit. Another great Putin success. Destroying civilization and progress one nation at a time.

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JordanRules  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:25:07am

re: #314 Hecuba’s daughter

Putin kinda should be Time’s Person of the Year.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:25:11am

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:25:39am

re: #313 JordanRules

Add in some more Brexit uncertainty and wheeee! It could be quite a ride.

Add in a “no-deal” Brexit (hard Brexit) scenario, and that’s pretty much a recipe for a lost generation.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:26:13am

re: #315 JordanRules

Putin kinda should be Time’s Person of the Year.

lol, that is the only person on the planet that Trump wouldn’t bitch about getting it if it wasn’t him.

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:28:02am

re: #310 Dr Lizardo

These two projections certainly stand out:
- Growth below 2% in every forecast year for first time in modern history.
- Annual pay not due to return to 2008 peak until 2025.

Holy shit; that’s abysmal.

but if we just cut taxes our economy will instantly and sustainably soar to heights it has never, ever seen

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:29:34am

re: #300 Blind Frog Belly White

How far do you go to treat an old dog who’s had a good life and is reaching the end of her expected lifespan anyway?

For us first consideration has always been quality of life. Cost is secondary.

But for many others, cost is a huge consideration.

I would not second-guess anyone’s choice. It’s hard enough as it is.

{{hugs to you and Zeena and MrsBFBW}}

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Kragar  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:31:09am
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jaunte  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:32:50am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:32:53am

Looking at those numbers out of the UK, damn……the lower rate of growth means that by 2021/2022, government tax receipts will be £20bn lower than their earlier forecast.

And that’s crucial - lately, there were a lot of headlines about “reducing the deficit!” and what have you…but the problem is they’ve cut government revenue more. The end result is that the Brits will end up more in debt than ever.

The only bright side, and I say this with a grim chuckle, is that inflation will soon start eroding the value of those debts. And of course, the value of everyone’s savings.

Looks like the UK is headed back to the bad old days of 1970’s stagflation. Who knows? Maybe ultimately even an IMF bailout if they can’t negotiate a successful exit deal with the EU.

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nines09  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:35:14am

Just wanted to wish all a Happy Thanksgiving, or whatever you choose to call whatever it is you do tomorrow. I’ve been trying to not eat as much net/news as I used to. Seems to work against my mental health. Tonight my band plays and I look forward to having a great time. I’ll see some old friends and maybe make some new ones. My daughter is home for a few days from college and will be with us. I’ll be able to pop a few barley malts and scream and shout and bend notes. I need it. Fucking world will kill you if you let it.

And I start at…..9

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makeitstop  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:35:31am

re: #316 Stanley Sea

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:35:51am

re: #316 Stanley Sea

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Kragar  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:36:30am
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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:37:19am

re: #322 jaunte

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and they probably didnt coordinate the way the alabama papers did

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:37:51am

Yeah, and there’s some mighty fine dumbassery from Barton who exposed himself to blackmail opportunities in the process of sharing his junk pics.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:38:51am

re: #325 makeitstop

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Skip Intro  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:39:05am
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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:41:05am

re: #327 Kragar

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:41:28am

re: #330 Stanley Sea

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ericblair  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:42:06am

re: #323 Dr Lizardo

Looks like the UK is headed back to the bad old days of 1970’s stagflation. Who knows? Maybe ultimately even an IMF bailout if they can’t negotiate a successful exit deal with the EU.

Even if they negotiate an actual exit deal with the EU (which isn’t looking good, since Brexit negotiations are mostly externalized civil war within the Tories), they haven’t got the time or the skills to avoid a fucking disaster. They don’t have the civil service to rewrite all the regulations, get the necessary customs up and running, create an Irish border, create domestic regulatory agencies, and everything else in sixteen months with fuck-all extra money.

The only thing they could do to avoid total breakdown is to have some “transition” deal, which is going to drag things out for an unknown amount of time while business and immigrants get cold feet and leave for better prospects. Or they could chuck the whole misbegotten project, but that would mean that they admit they had made a terrible mistake, and by God we can’t have that.

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:42:15am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:43:17am
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makeitstop  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:44:18am

re: #330 Stanley Sea

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:46:39am

You know what’s great?

My requested contribution to the Thanksgiving feast tomorrow is bring flowers!!!

And I have a great flower wholesaler right down the road.

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:46:40am
340
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:47:45am

re: #338 Stanley Sea

You know what’s great?

My requested contribution to the Thanksgiving feast tomorrow is bring flowers!!!

And I have a great flower wholesaler right down the road.

Myself, I am baking a vinegar pie. However, the pie crust was broken and I spilled the filling all over when I burned my finger on the oven rack. I hope it turns out.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:47:53am

re: #321 Kragar

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makeitstop  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:48:01am

So, my Viking wife talked me into going to the Museum of Natural History this evening to witness the inflation of the balloons for the Macy’s parade tomorrow. It’s supposed to get wicked cold tonight, so chances of my being miserable are high. But I’ll get through somehow.

My trusty camera is coming along, so if I get any good pics they’ll probably show up here.

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Kragar  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:48:59am

re: #342 makeitstop

Our forecast is for it to be in the 80s here tomorrow

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:49:14am

re: #339 dangerman

This is brilliant:

Trump’s team insists he has a ‘full schedule’ an hour before he goes golfing

the washington post

He demanded media correct their coverage to indicate he had a full schedule - then proceeded to go golfing at his resort.

The [deleted].

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:49:17am
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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:51:00am

Nelson HA HA

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wrenchwench  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:52:14am

re: #340 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Myself, I am baking a vinegar pie. However, the pie crust was broken and I spilled the filling all over when I burned my finger on the oven rack. I hope it turns out.

I’m making pumpkin pies. Crust is in the fridge ( I made it Monday). Pies get baked tonight, because they’re always best the next day. One of them is staying home.

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JordanRules  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:53:00am

re: #346 Stanley Sea

Oh, oh!!! Do the same with America!
Walk away, please!!!

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:53:50am

re: #334 ericblair

Or they could chuck the whole misbegotten project, but that would mean that they admit they had made a terrible mistake, and by God we can’t have that.

They’re British: They’ll go down with the ship, in full dress uniform, humming “Rule Brittania”.

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wrenchwench  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:54:19am

re: #343 Kragar

Our forecast is for it to be in the 80s here tomorrow

We’re supposed to be in the mid 70s. Our hostess plans to have the bar out on her deck.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:55:20am

Participated in suppressing the Warsaw uprising, then became a loyal Republican, because he felt at home.

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:56:57am

re: #351 jaunte

Actually goddamned Nazis.

Is GOP RNC going to return/donate the money to a group like the ADL or USHC?

354
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:57:19am

re: #341 Belafon

Asshole.

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:00:16pm

re: #343 Kragar

Our forecast is for it to be in the 80s here tomorrow

ditto

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allegro  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:00:16pm

re: #338 Stanley Sea

You know what’s great?

My requested contribution to the Thanksgiving feast tomorrow is bring flowers!!!

And I have a great flower wholesaler right down the road.

I’m hosting the feast at my place and cooking the core of the meal (turkey, gravy, dressing, smashies, veggies). Leaving rolls, desserts, extras to guests to bring. Just can’t get into it beyond minimal cleaning and prep this year. Maybe dust a little. LOL

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Dave In Austin  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:02:07pm
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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:02:24pm

re: #344 lawhawk

He demanded media correct their coverage to indicate he had a full schedule - then proceeded to go golfing at his resort.

The [deleted].

looking for this?:

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:05:53pm

re: #347 wrenchwench

I’m making pumpkin pies. Crust is in the fridge ( I made it Monday). Pies get baked tonight, because they’re always best the next day. One of them is staying home.

our contribution to the feast:

pastelitos (niece begged)
a bourbon soaked apple cake
lime roasted green beans

they’re going with two ducks instead of a turkey. sacrilege?
mashed parsnips
garlic roasted potatoes
necessary pumpkin pie and whipped cream
various and sundries

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:08:09pm

re: #359 dangerman

our contribution to the feast:

pastelitos (niece begged)
a bourbon soaked apple cake
lime roasted green beans

they’re going with two ducks instead of a turkey. sacrilege?
mashed parsnips
garlic roasted potatoes
necessary pumpkin pie and whipped cream
various and sundries

Excellent call.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:08:54pm
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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:09:41pm

re: #354 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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No, it’s not misnamed, You’re trying to pander to idiots who think all regulation is wrong, and will be shocked when their Internet no longer works as expected because the far-right gutted an essential regulation.
Asshole.

for a likely bad analogy

you add express lanes to an untolled highway
you can even have a higher speed limit if you want

you toll charge those people who choose to use it

you dont reduce the speed limit on every one else
NOR do you charge everyone else anything

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:10:14pm

re: #300 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s always tough. One pitfall is that if you start treatment, you’re likely to keep it going longer than you really should (ask me how I know).

Is palliative care an option?

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makeitstop  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:10:22pm

re: #343 Kragar

Our forecast is for it to be in the 80s here tomorrow

Be right over.

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Bubblehead II  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:11:27pm

re: #359 dangerman

our contribution to the feast:

pastelitos (niece begged)
a bourbon soaked apple cake
lime roasted green beans

they’re going with two ducks instead of a turkey. sacrilege?
mashed parsnips
garlic roasted potatoes
necessary pumpkin pie and whipped cream
various and sundries

Nah. We’re doing spaghetti and Texas Toast here.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:12:17pm

re: #361 jaunte

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ah…I see he’s wearing his eyeglasses…

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petesh  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:12:55pm

re: #298 Dr Lizardo

Maybe…..it just strikes me as weird timing. Maybe something big is about to drop and he’s thinking there’s no way he can spin it? After all, as campaign comms director, he’d certainly be well-placed to know that.

As communications director, he is probably being asked to lie his face off, and maybe he just couldn’t do it anymore. But he can’t bring himself to comment. Hmmmm.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:13:39pm

re: #359 dangerman

they’re going with two ducks instead of a turkey. sacrilege?

I’m having tortelloni with pesto sauce. Bite me.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:14:37pm

Lime roasted green beans sounds great.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:15:19pm
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allegro  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:15:41pm

re: #369 Stanley Sea

Lime roasted green beans sounds great.

I was thinking the same thing. Recipe please. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:16:04pm

re: #370 Backwoods_Sleuth

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petesh  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:17:18pm

re: #300 Blind Frog Belly White

On old dogs: Yeah, it can be horrible. Personally, I would avoid new medical procedures and keep the dog as comfortable as possible until he or she becomes incontinent or immobile. This worked great with our old lab, who passed away in her sleep without making a sound. Not so well with another old fella who became so embarrassed at his state that I no longer felt bad about getting the vet out — he’d do a home visit (this was pretty deep in the country), and I could dig the grave and feel ceremonious about it. But it’s awful, and we’ll be looking at the issue again maybe as soon as next year (maybe later) and I am not looking forward to it. All the best to all of you.

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dangerman  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:22:14pm

re: #371 allegro

I was thinking the same thing. Recipe please. :)

here ya go - nothing brilliant:
we double this

1 lb green beans
3 tbsp or so, butter
1 tbsp olive oil
1 tsp garlic powder, - (this is a quickie recipe so feel free to chop up real garlic)
1 tsp salt
1/2 tsp pepper
2 tbsp lime juice

Heat to 375
veg spray a large glass baking dish
Melt butter and combine with olive oil and dry ingredients
Put green beans in a large bowl, pour in mixture and toss until evenly coated
Pour into baking dish
don’t wash the bowl
Cook for appx 35 minutes or until beans on top begin to lightly brown
you can broil a minute or two at the end
Pour back into bowl
Add lime juice, toss to coat
you can also add add grated lime peel, chopped toasted almonds (1/4 c for a lb of beans), more salt and pepper, etc

we do these a lot

xox

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allegro  Nov 22, 2017 • 12:24:28pm

re: #374 dangerman

re: #374 dangerman

Yum! Thanks mucho!


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