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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:17:09pm

I’m just savoring the latest punch in the face Richard Spencer got—being banned in Europe!

beta.latimes.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:18:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:18:42pm

re: #1 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m just savoring the latest punch in the face Richard Spencer got—being banned in Europe!

beta.latimes.com

Could not happen to a more deserving asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:19:33pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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1774? You mean when we were still a British colony Grover?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:21:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:22:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:22:34pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I hope he can be AG one day.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:23:08pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:23:49pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Here’s something to discuss. You’re a pathetic loser who should be spending Thanksgiving in a cell with your sister, brother in law, Dad, dad’s friends.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:25:57pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:26:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:26:11pm

so much #winning

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:26:17pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Grover wants things to go back to when we were being heavily subsidized by the Crown (and the various peoples it had its boot pressed to the neck of).

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:27:13pm

Texas school board removes a Christian flag from its flagstaffs after a complaint was lodged by the FFRF. (People complained in a school board meeting about this from “out of state” folks rabble-rousing, and FFRF being “militant atheists” despite the overwhelming majority being Christians. FFRF only takes on issues when a local person makes a complaint.)

The school gave what they seem to think is a big F-U to FFRF by replacing the flag with a historical Texas Republic flag that says “Come and Take It.” (Turns out, historical secular flags are perfectly fine in front of schools, so I’m not sure what they think they’re claiming about winning here.) They say the flag is “temporary.

kltv.com (auto-play video warning)

LARUE, TX (KLTV) -

After receiving complaints, a school district has removed a religious symbol from their campus.

On October 11, Lapoynor ISD received a letter from the Freedom From Religion Foundation requesting that officials remove the Christian flag from school grounds.

The letter sparked a debate within the district, and many students and parents were open about wanting the flag to stay.
The district’s superintendent told KLTV that the Christian flag has been removed and a Gonzalez flag from the Texas war for independence, which says “Come and Take It,” temporarily flies in its place.

A group of students has been elected to decide which flag will permanently be installed.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:27:14pm

re: #13 The Ghost of a Flea

Grover wants things to go back to when we were being heavily subsidized by the Crown (and the various peoples it had its boot pressed to the neck of).

Grover probably pines for feudalism tbh.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:27:43pm

I have little doubt that the entire Trump/Kushner clan has committed multiple felonies involving money laundering over the years. And Mueller is going to be looking into all of it.

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JordanRules  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:27:45pm
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jaunte  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:28:45pm

re: #11 Joe Bacon 🌹

The Navy wasn’t even formed until 1775, Grover.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:30:22pm

re: #18 jaunte

The Navy wasn’t even formed until 1775, Grover.

Nor the Marines. Stupid analogy by a stupid man.

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JordanRules  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:31:30pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:32:15pm

Anyway, I brought this up late in the previous thread, so I’ll mention it again here. As I feared, more women have made accusations against Al Franken. Yes, he has the right to stay in the Senate and be subjected to an ethics investigation, and possibly a public hearing with testimony. But if he chooses that route, its going to get ugly.

yahoo.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:34:37pm

LOL

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:36:19pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:36:34pm

re: #21 Big Beautiful Door

Anyway, I brought this up late in the previous thread, so I’ll mention it again here. As I feared, more women have made accusations against Al Franken. Yes, he has the right to stay in the Senate and be subjected to an ethics investigation, and possibly a public hearing with testimony. But if he chooses that route, its going to get ugly.

yahoo.com

a) He asked for the investigation, which puts people under oath (including him)
b) The accusers cited by Yahoo against Franken are anonymous; the accusers cited by the Washington Post against Roy Moore are on record and public, and their stories have been confirmed by other sources.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:38:16pm

Grover’s also being misleading. Yeah, we paid fewer taxes. But we paid on increased prices due to tariffs. It also cost a fortune to move things around because we had no infrastructure in place. His ideal would just be trading off one type of payment for another.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:38:56pm
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JordanRules  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:39:07pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:39:55pm
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electrotek  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:40:35pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:43:29pm

re: #24 Anymouse 🌹

a) He asked for the investigation, which puts people under oath (including him)
b) The accusers cited by Yahoo against Franken are anonymous; the accusers cited by the Washington Post against Roy Moore are on record and public, and their stories have been confirmed by other sources.

Unfortunately, I won’t be surprised if more public allegations are forthcoming. If Franken is aware that he has be grabbing women’s butts regularly at these kinds of events, he really should resign.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:43:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:44:39pm

re: #27 JordanRules

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Agh that poor woman and her daughter both.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:44:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:45:01pm

re: #30 Big Beautiful Door

Unfortunately, I won’t be surprised if more public allegations are forthcoming. If Franken is aware that he has be grabbing women’s butts regularly at these kinds of events, he really should resign.

I have to agree with you there.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:45:27pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He should resign.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:46:24pm

What happens if you put a frozen turkey into a deep fryer (0:52)

Footage: What happens if frozen turkey is put into hot oil?

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:46:40pm

re: #27 JordanRules

That sucks.

While there, I found this: Thanksgiving Text Hotline Helps White Folks Talk to Their Racist Relatives About Trump and Racism

For those white people, Showing Up for Racial Justice has created a Thanksgiving text hotline that can provide help for you when you find yourself trapped in a racist discussion about how horrible black people are and how their men plan to come take all the white women.

If you find yourself in one of these sticky situations, simply text “SOS” to 82623 and SURJ will send you “some key talking points that tend to come up in these tough conversations.”

The first (only so far) comment is someone using the service.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:47:30pm

re: #36 Anymouse 🌹

What happens if you put a frozen turkey into a deep fryer (0:52)

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A person will be way more careful than some crane. ///

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:47:57pm

May Halperin wind up homeless and out on the streets for the damage he did to this country!

buzzfeed.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:48:51pm

this thread:

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:50:11pm

re: #36 Anymouse 🌹

Grease fires are no joke. Water makes it worse. The only quick recourse is smothering the fire, either directly or with baking soda.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:50:19pm

re: #36 Anymouse 🌹

What happens if you put a frozen turkey into a deep fryer (0:52)

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That was AWESOME!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:50:39pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

this thread:

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JordanRules  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:51:37pm

re: #37 Belafon

Oh wow! My brain is not sure what to do with this. LOL

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:52:06pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

this thread:

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Will they be signing the kids up for Hummus or Fatteh bread?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:53:50pm

re: #36 Anymouse 🌹

What happens if you put a frozen turkey into a deep fryer (0:52)

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That’s why I’m doing mine sous vide this year. A quick pre-sear, and another after the legs/thighs and breasts/wings are done. ;)

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whitebeach  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:54:04pm

re: #21 Big Beautiful Door

Anyway, I brought this up late in the previous thread, so I’ll mention it again here. As I feared, more women have made accusations against Al Franken. Yes, he has the right to stay in the Senate and be subjected to an ethics investigation, and possibly a public hearing with testimony. But if he chooses that route, its going to get ugly.

yahoo.com

It’s already ugly. It’s become a feeding frenzy of “your ass grab = his thing with teenagers = his dic pic = etc. etc. etc.” It’s a partisan political ratfuck over an issue that in a decent place wouldn’t be political at all. In fact, in a truly decent place, it wouldn’t even be an issue at all, because it would happen about as often as Halley’s Comet comes around.

But given reality, I’m gonna predict that within a couple of weeks one or more male former interns/aides/guests/bystanders accuse a Congresswoman of groping or worse.

Don’t get me wrong. I love that at least some of this dom male crap is being exposed. All I’m saying is that a very nasty knife fight in a very dirty alley is underway.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:57:48pm

re: #47 whitebeach

It’s already ugly. It’s become a feeding frenzy of “your ass grab = his thing with teenagers = his dic pic = etc. etc. etc.” It’s a partisan political ratfuck over an issue that in a decent place wouldn’t be political at all. In fact, in a truly decent place, it wouldn’t even be an issue at all, because it would happen about as often as Halley’s Comet comes around.

But given reality, I’m gonna predict that within a couple of weeks one or more male former interns/aides/guests/bystanders accuse a Congresswoman of groping or worse.

Don’t get me wrong. I love that at least some of this dom male crap is being exposed. All I’m saying is that a very nasty knife fight in a very dirty alley is underway.

We need to get a lot of this crap exposed and sexual predators ruined to put the fear of God into this creeps and empower as many women as possible to stand up for themselves. We’ll see if any congresswomen get accused. There are only 105 of them, so I’m guessing not.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:58:24pm

re: #21 Big Beautiful Door

Anyway, I brought this up late in the previous thread, so I’ll mention it again here. As I feared, more women have made accusations against Al Franken. Yes, he has the right to stay in the Senate and be subjected to an ethics investigation, and possibly a public hearing with testimony. But if he chooses that route, its going to get ugly.

yahoo.com

19th Century Fox is having a field day with these allegations.

And I see on the Book of Faces that the Berniebots are also wanting to push Franken out to replace him with Ellison.

So GD sick of the left making common cause with the Radical RepubliKKKlans!

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2017 • 8:59:36pm
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mmmirele  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:01:13pm

re: #14 Anymouse 🌹

Yeah, letting the kids “decide” what flag to put in the school (either “come and get it” or the Christian flag)…if the kids “decide” for the Christian flag, they’re still buying a lawsuit.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:01:22pm

re: #49 Joe Bacon 🌹

19th Century Fox is having a field day with these allegations.

And I see on the Book of Faces that the Berniebots are also wanting to push Franken out to replace him with Ellison.

So GD sick of the left making common cause with the Radical RepubliKKKlans!

Fox who totally dismissed the complaints against Trump. And yeah they will push for Ellison and then have a tantrum if it’s not him.

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Citizen K  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:01:41pm

Quick tech question, but anyone else having issues with the site on the latest firefox? I ensured that AdBlock and NoScript were completely disabled for the site and it still ends up loading endlessly for me if I try to refresh ratings, comments, or reply, to the point I’m forced to completely close out and restart the browser to load any other page, even in other already open tabs:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:01:57pm

re: #50 jaunte

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I love Painter. Tenacious as hell.

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:02:07pm

re: #21 Big Beautiful Door

Anyway, I brought this up late in the previous thread, so I’ll mention it again here. As I feared, more women have made accusations against Al Franken. Yes, he has the right to stay in the Senate and be subjected to an ethics investigation, and possibly a public hearing with testimony. But if he chooses that route, its going to get ugly.

yahoo.com

Considering the latest accusations are being done “anonymously,” I’d say it’s all the more reason to want to see this play out in an ethic committee investigation rather than in the papers. The man has a right to face his accusers and I believe that that should be the proper way forward.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:04:26pm

I just caught up listening to Lawrence on Sirius XM.

Wowsers!, that Joe Barton is one kinky Tex Ass Hole!

And he’s sending the Capitol Police to go after the woman who released his pee pee pics?

Now they allege there is a video of this? The gang at Pornhub is crying all the way to the bank!

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Interesting Times  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:06:10pm

re: #56 Joe Bacon 🌹

Speaking of porn, this may be the best Net Neutrality tweet yet:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:07:29pm

re: #57 Interesting Times

Speaking of porn, this may be the best Net Neutrality tweet yet:

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Cruz’s comments on NN show he has no clue what is. Kander meanwhile needs to run for office agsin.

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William Lewis  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:11:30pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’ve said it before: the best tax rate existed in 1959. It’s been all mistakes since.

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William Lewis  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:13:20pm

re: #30 Big Beautiful Door

Unfortunately, I won’t be surprised if more public allegations are forthcoming. If Franken is aware that he has be grabbing women’s butts regularly at these kinds of events, he really should resign.

Thank you for presenting the GOFascist argument against America.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:14:14pm

re: #59 William Lewis

I’ve said it before: the best tax rate existed in 1959. It’s been all mistakes since.

The first republican president signed into law the first income tax.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:15:22pm

re: #51 mmmirele

Yeah, letting the kids “decide” what flag to put in the school (either “come and get it” or the Christian flag)…if the kids “decide” for the Christian flag, they’re still buying a lawsuit.

Yup, it’s the idea that you don’t get to vote on other people’s rights.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:17:01pm

re: #53 Citizen K

Quick tech question, but anyone else having issues with the site on the latest firefox? I ensured that AdBlock and NoScript were completely disabled for the site and it still ends up loading endlessly for me if I try to refresh ratings, comments, or reply, to the point I’m forced to completely close out and restart the browser to load any other page, even in other already open tabs:

I don’t know about AdBlock because I never used it. NoScript has a new version out for the new version of Firefox. It operates a little differently than the old version; it took me a couple days to get the hang of it but it seems to be superior to the old NoScript.

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retired cynic  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:17:07pm

re: #60 William Lewis

Thank you for presenting the GOFascist argument against America.

I don’t know that I would go that far, but I sense a certain glee in hoping more come forward. And I don’t like that. Anonymous accusations don’t smell right to me.

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whitebeach  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:18:49pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I wasn’t a big JFK fan, because I was young and dumb and southern, but even today I sometimes think that his assassination was the event that truly started us down the road to the garbageland we currently inhabit.

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retired cynic  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:20:30pm

re: #65 whitebeach

I wasn’t a big JFK fan, because I was young and dumb and southern, but even today I sometimes think that his assassination was the event that truly started us down the road to the garbageland we currently inhabit.

I was in the JFK generation, but I wonder if our road didn’t start with J Edgar Hoover, and his suitcase full of issues and nastiness.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:20:52pm

re: #64 retired cynic

I don’t know that I would go that far, but I sense a certain glee in hoping more come forward. And I don’t like that. Anonymous accusations don’t smell right to me.

They’re good enough for a “just as bad as” and “magic balance fairy argument” however.

Roy Moore accused by multiple women with witnesses and on-the-record researched by multiple news outlets, Al Franken with one woman on-the-record in a claim that hasn’t been researched, and others who are anonymous.

Al Franken called for an ethics investigation, Roy Moore threatened to sue his accusers.

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William Lewis  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:22:21pm

re: #65 whitebeach

I wasn’t a big JFK fan, because I was young and dumb and southern, but even today I sometimes think that his assassination was the event that truly started us down the road to the garbageland we currently inhabit.

I have said, more than once, America died on Nov 22, 1963. It was on life support till Nov 8, 2016 when that motherfucking Pumpkin Pinochet pulled the plug. I see no real reason to change my mind…

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:22:54pm

re: #65 whitebeach

the event that truly started us down the road to the garbageland we currently inhabit

It’s probably most true that there was never a golden age, just different levels of awareness about things that sucked.

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:24:13pm

re: #64 retired cynic

I don’t know that I would go that far, but I sense a certain glee in hoping more come forward. And I don’t like that. Anonymous accusations don’t smell right to me.

The fact that the latest accusations are anonymous should raise suspicion. This isn’t a case where we’re picking and choosing who we choose to believe, it’s a man who is now being accused from the shadows. We should not be supporting in any fashion such a scenario, because it runs the very real risk of the accused being deprived of their rights.

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Citizen K  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:28:50pm

re: #63 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t know about AdBlock because I never used it. NoScript has a new version out for the new version of Firefox. It operates a little differently than the old version; it took me a couple days to get the hang of it but it seems to be superior to the old NoScript.

Yeah, I got that much. Still, something’s affecting the site on my side, and so far LGF is the only site having the issue since I updated Firefox, even the extensions disabled

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:33:07pm

re: #68 William Lewis

I have said, more than once, America died on Nov 22, 1963. It was on life support till Nov 8, 2016 when that motherfucking Pumpkin Pinochet pulled the plug. I see no real reason to change my mind…

The country has been through far worse than Trump.

While I cannot know how the investigation is going with Robert Mueller, and the investigation with New York’s attorney general, it seems that Donald Trump is not going to get through a complete presidency.

It took two years from the time that a minor almost unnoticed hotel break-in led to Richard Nixon’s resignation.

As the investigation takes more and more of Trump’s time, he will be doing less and less. In addition, fighting against such things as subpoenas and warrants costs real money (as noted above).

Probably the worst thing that could have happened to the Trump family is that Donald Trump won the election. They have distorted the GOP so far they are now defending child molesters in their attempt to maintain their power. (While Roy Moore may win the special election in Alabama, the GOP will be painted with the word “paedophiles” for a long time to come.)

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whitebeach  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:34:05pm

re: #66 retired cynic

I was in the JFK generation, but I wonder if our road didn’t start with J Edgar Hoover, and his suitcase full of issues and nastiness.

The Kennedy and Hoover roads of course intersect at various points.

Hey, it can reasonably be argued that the current situation started at Jamestown, or when that colony was chartered in London, or when the first African slaves were brought here, or if one believes these things, in the Garden of Eden. But however long the road may have been, it seems to me that at a certain point it hit a steep incline and, after a few ups and downs, recently went over a cliff.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:35:15pm

re: #60 William Lewis

Thank you for presenting the GOFascist argument against America.

That was uncalled for. I would say the same about any holder of public office, of whatever party.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:36:05pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Grover Norquist

@GroverNorquist
The best tax rate?
One clue. In 1774 the average American in the 13 colonies paid between one and two percent of their income in taxes.
1-2%. Seems reasonable.
One rate. One time. No double taxation. Good target.


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??? What is wrong with Grover Norquist? How can anyone treat him seriously? Or maybe no one is. It’s been a long time since he was a regular feature on interview program.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:36:07pm

re: #61 Eventual Carrion

The first republican president signed into law the first income tax.

The Republicans were progressives then.

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whitebeach  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:38:18pm

re: #72 Anymouse 🌹

The country has been through far worse than Trump.

Certainly. But we’ve never got through a worse president than Trump, because there has never been one.

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:38:21pm

Screaming at a wall.

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:39:40pm

Global warning is a hoax, an outrageous lie.

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mmmirele  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:42:57pm

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹

They’re good enough for a “just as bad as” and “magic balance fairy argument” however.

Roy Moore accused by multiple women with witnesses and on-the-record researched by multiple news outlets, Al Franken with one woman on-the-record in a claim that hasn’t been researched, and others who are anonymous.

Al Franken called for an ethics investigation, Roy Moore threatened to sue his accusers.

One of Moore’s supporters (male, natch) got very unhappy on FB earlier tonight when I used a profanity to describe how I felt about Evangelicals falling behind Pervert Roy Moore. I doubled down on it and proceeded to tell the guy, “Fuck that noise.” I do not care anymore. If you’re going to support creepy, handsy “Uncle Roy,” I’m going to judiciously drop f-bombs to express my utter contempt for your horseshit morals.

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Citizen K  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:42:59pm

re: #71 Citizen K

Yeah, I got that much. Still, something’s affecting the site on my side, and so far LGF is the only site having the issue since I updated Firefox, even the extensions disabled

And to add, apparently I have no issue if I open the site in a Private Window even with the extensions active, but even after clearing my Cache, cookies, offline data, it still persists in a normal window

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:43:07pm

re: #68 William Lewis

I have said, more than once, America died on Nov 22, 1963. It was on life support till Nov 8, 2016 when that motherfucking Pumpkin Pinochet pulled the plug. I see no real reason to change my mind…

I don’t share that feeling. After all, much of the domestic progress we experienced occurred under Lyndon Johnson. It was the election of Reagan, followed by the Gingrich “revolution”, that has led inexorably to the disastrous situation we are in today, . But it’s premature to give up. Let’s see what happens in 2018 before abandoning hope.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:43:45pm

re: #77 whitebeach

Certainly. But we’ve never got through a worse president than Trump, because there has never been one.

I might argue James Buchanan (the Civil War started on his watch) was significantly worse. Warren Harding ran the government like it was his personal piggy bank. Ronald Reagan’s administration funded an illegal war in Nicaragua by circumventing Congress selling weapons and aircraft parts to sanctioned Iran. (Reagan’s administration had the most indictments and convictions of any presidency.)

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:44:32pm

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:45:03pm

re: #79 teleskiguy

Global warning is a hoax, an outrageous lie.

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”See, it happened in 1874, so it’s all about cycles! Things will cool off again…eventually!”

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:47:41pm

re: #83 Anymouse 🌹

I might argue James Buchanan (the Civil War started on his watch) was significantly worse. Warren Harding ran the government like it was his personal piggy bank. Ronald Reagan’s administration funded an illegal war in Nicaragua by circumventing Congress selling weapons and aircraft parts to sanctioned Iran. (Reagan’s administration had the most indictments and convictions of any presidency.)

Give Trump time to rack up similar “accomplishments.” He’s only been in office nine months!

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:48:47pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

”See, it happened in 1874, so it’s all about cycles! Things will cool off again…eventually!”

This demonstrates that there has been a 143 year pause in global warming!//

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:48:52pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:50:00pm

Haven’t see this around here.

There are actual nazis in Congress.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:51:18pm

re: #79 teleskiguy

Global warning is a hoax, an outrageous lie.

NWS Salt Lake City

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As any scientist will say, a particular weather event does not confirm (or disprove) the hypothesis. You have to look at weather over a longer period than one year — and that’s what supports the theory that the planet is warming.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:51:21pm

re: #88 Anymouse 🌹

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If I was a big name sexual predator who hadn’t been outed yet, I’d give my lawyer a list of names and a checkbook to try to get all of my victims to sign a NDA before the shit hit the fan.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:52:24pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:52:56pm

re: #90 Hecuba’s daughter

MOST SCIENTISTS ARE LIBERAL PINHEADS.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:54:33pm

re: #89 teleskiguy

I can’t say how much I despise Steve King. The USA is a nation of immigrants. Not only is he a racist, he’s an idiot as well.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:56:19pm

re: #91 Big Beautiful Door

If I was a big name sexual predator who hadn’t been outed yet, I’d give my lawyer a list of names and a checkbook to try to get all of my victims to sign a NDA before the shit hit the fan.

And if I was a victim, I’d take the cheque, sign the NDA, and out him anyway. Funny fact: NDA’s cannot be used to cover criminal activity.

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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2017 • 9:58:39pm

re: #94 Anymouse 🌹

I can’t say how much I despise Steve King. The USA is a nation of immigrants. Not only is he a racist, he’s an idiot as well.

Of course we all know that King isn’t really advocating the end of all immigration to the US, just “those people.” If you’re from Western or even Eastern Europe, you’re cool so long as your skin’s paler than a paper bag.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:00:05pm

Oh, man, Respectable Lawyer (who writes for Wonkette) trolled Rep. King in a hilarious Twitter thread (seven tweets)… .

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:00:56pm

re: #89 teleskiguy

Steve King’s solution is not only to stop immigration of brownish people, but to try to force women to have more children.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:02:34pm

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TedStriker  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:05:26pm

re: #99 The Vicious Babushka

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:05:57pm

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹

Giphy

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mmmirele  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:06:36pm

re: #99 The Vicious Babushka

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:07:38pm

re: #99 The Vicious Babushka

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:11:21pm

re: #99 The Vicious Babushka

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:11:26pm

re: #83 Anymouse 🌹

I might argue James Buchanan (the Civil War started on his watch) was significantly worse. Warren Harding ran the government like it was his personal piggy bank. Ronald Reagan’s administration funded an illegal war in Nicaragua by circumventing Congress selling weapons and aircraft parts to sanctioned Iran. (Reagan’s administration had the most indictments and convictions of any presidency.)

Trump was elected in a time of peace and prosperity. Buchanan was elected when the nation was facing an existential crisis. It’s unfair to compare the two men given the threats they actually faced. In fact, there is no doubt in my mind that if Trump faced any of the challenges of the previous occupants, he would have made each situation far worse than his predecessors.

I still recall my belief in the 1980’s that Japan was going to dominate the world economy; experts predicted they were the future; their stock market out-performed ours as did their manufacturing. Yet within a few years, they faded and we regained our standing.

Either we will emerge from this as a stronger nation or we be relegated to the dustbin of history.

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CleverToad  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:15:41pm

Happy Thanksgiving, O Lizards!
May you all have plenty to be thankful for, on this Turkey Day

I’ve Got Plenty To Be Thankful For (From “Holiday Inn” Soundtrack)

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:16:20pm

re: #99 The Vicious Babushka

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:17:09pm

re: #105 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump was elected in a time of peace and prosperity. Buchanan was elected when the nation was facing an existential crisis. It’s unfair to compare the two men given the threats they actually faced. In fact, there is no doubt in my mind that if Trump faced any of the challenges of the previous occupants, he would have made each situation far worse than his predecessors.

I still recall my belief in the 1980’s that Japan was going to dominate the world economy; experts predicted they were the future; their stock market out-performed ours as did their manufacturing. Yet within a few years, they faded and we regained our standing.

Either we will emerge from this as a stronger nation or we be relegated to the dustbin of history.

I have no doubt that Donald Trump is the worst individual person to have been given a high ranking position in the US government. This is Caligula-level malfeasance. If he were not so personally cowardly I have no doubt that there would be grievous bodily harm or murder in his recent past.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:19:35pm

re: #106 CleverToad

Happy Thanksgiving, O Lizards!
May you all have plenty to be thankful for, on this Turkey Day

Here in Mythical Time Zone we have a bit over half an hour to go.

That said, this is a post I put up last year to the closed atheism discussion group I am the group owner of over at Yahoo.

Pray, from Merriam-Webster: (transitive verb) 1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea

Today is Thanksgiving Day in the United States, a Federal holiday with long tradition.

Atheists of course pray. We just do not pray to or on behalf of gods. On Thanksgiving Day, I make my own entreaty of thanksgiving to those who share the world with me.
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I am thankful to those farmers and ranchers, and their families and farmhands, who produced the food we will eat this afternoon and every day.
I am thankful to the truckers and railroad operators who help bring it to market, and to the warehouse and market employees who make it available.

More generally:

I am thankful to those who now serve or have served in the Armed Forces, the Veterans Administration, the police and sheriff’s department, the fire brigade, and emergency medical services, who strive to protect, serve, and keep us all safe.
I am thankful to physicians, nurses, technicians, researchers, and hospital and clinic staff that work tirelessly to keep us healthy.
I am thankful to our civil servants who strive to keep our society functioning, whether they are clerks, teachers, prosecutors, judges, librarians, mechanics, electricians, or any other job that keeps civil society civil.

I am thankful for the scientists, explorers, and researchers that have gone before over thousands of years, to elevate society with technology that allows us to go from huddling in caves to walking on the Moon.

I am thankful to my neighbours and friends, who every day support and welcome me in the community.

Finally,
I am thankful to my parents, wife and son, without whose love my own light would be diminished.

All those and many others deserve my thanks on this and every day.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:20:29pm

re: #106 CleverToad

Only Astaire could have pulled this off.

Fred Astair’s Famous Tap Dance Drum Solo

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:43:28pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:45:40pm

re: #109 Anymouse 🌹

Bless you, friend. May you and your Mrs. have a wonderful Thanksgiving tomorrow.

And that goes for EVERYONE in the LGF family, TOO!!!!!

May everyone have a wonderful day tomorrow with their family and friends!

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:45:58pm

re: #111 teleskiguy

When this band first formed 16 years ago I tried out to be their guitarist. I played a couple of gigs with them and was fired because my style was “too heavy.” I’m still good friends with the band leader Zebuel, we go skiing together at least once a year.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 10:50:03pm

Bringing back memories of how we remembered JFK when I was a kid. Mom had his famous fish chowder recipe. Every November 22nd, she would make it and we’d have a bowl of it…

dvo.com

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:00:49pm
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austin_blue  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:11:09pm

I’ll be on on the board tomorrow, but if y’all are not, Happy Thanksgiving, and let us all hope that next year’s celebration will be more appropriate than this one’s, where we are all desperately searching to be thankful about.

So, for my wife, my neighbors, and my dear lizards, I give thanks.

For the rest of this mess, meh, I’ll hope to give thanks to Robert Mueller in the new year to help dig us out of this hole we find ourselves inhabiting.

Night all.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:21:31pm

US CERT released a warning that Intel has a firmware security problem … Intel addresses the issue here (more at the link):

security-center.intel.com

They have a tool available in Linux and Windows to determine if you have this security problem to fix it.

downloadcenter.intel.com

Summary:

In response to issues identified by external researchers, Intel has performed an in-depth comprehensive security review of our Intel(r) Management Engine (ME), Intel(r) Server Platform Services (SPS), and Intel(r) Trusted Execution Engine (TXE) with the objective of enhancing firmware resilience.

As a result, Intel has identified security vulnerabilities that could potentially place impacted platforms at risk.

Description:

In response to issues identified by external researchers, Intel has performed an in-depth comprehensive security review of its Intel(r) Management Engine (ME), Intel(r) Trusted Execution Engine (TXE), and Intel(r) Server Platform Services (SPS) with the objective of enhancing firmware resilience.

As a result, Intel has identified several security vulnerabilities that could potentially place impacted platforms at risk. Systems using ME Firmware versions 11.0/11.5/11.6/11.7/11.10/11.20, SPS Firmware version 4.0, and TXE version 3.0 are impacted.

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:40:34pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:52:58pm

It’s Thanksgiving Day in Mythical Time Zone. It’s time for the annual favourite here:

Alice’s Restaurant - Original 1967 Recording

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teleskiguy  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:55:48pm

I’ve been listening to a fair amount of AC/DC as of late, and I’m impressed at the rock ‘n’ roll they produced. I’ve always joked that the easiest job in rock ‘n’ roll is bassist for AC/DC, and I still joke about it. But the simplicity of their arrangements were always slickly produced and did a damn good job of making you tap your foot and bang your head. The Bon Scott years, especially, yielded fun fun rock ‘n’ roll. And Malcolm Young was the anchor to it all. May he rest in peace.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 22, 2017 • 11:56:27pm

What a maroon:

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teleskiguy  Nov 23, 2017 • 12:00:58am

re: #120 teleskiguy

My favorite touring rock ‘n’ roll band did this at Red Rocks a few years ago. I was in the audience. It was fun fun.

Umphrey’s McGee: “Thunderstruck” Red Rocks 6/7/13

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 23, 2017 • 12:09:25am

Well, folks, I’ve had too much Glenlivet on a too-empty stomach. Sadly, it only takes a depressingly small amount to qualify as ‘too much’. I’m out of practice.

Anyway, I wanted to share with you my favorite moment from Opera, the end of Act 1 of Puccini’s Turandot, with Pavarotti as Il Principe Ignoto…

It’s the one opera I bought on CD, years ago. If you don’t like it, too fucking bad!

YouTube

Yes, it’s big, and it’s overdone, and everybody’s singing. That’s the good part!!!

Oh, and Zeena’s largely recovered from her ultrasound and fine needle biopsy and came to bug us for food. Meanwhile, Rango - that idiot - was doing jumpspins and seems to have hurt his foot. It never ends.

Oh, and the Younger Boy is 24. How the fuck did THAT happen?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 23, 2017 • 12:10:53am

New page:
Most White Evangelicals Attribute Intense National Disasters to the Apocalypse, Not Climate Change

While 62 percent of total respondents ascribed the cause of recent natural disasters to climate change, 49 percent also thought biblical “end times” were the cause. For white evangelical Protestants, these numbers basically reversed — 77 percent pointed to the apocalypse, and just 49 percent attributed extreme weather to climate change (the numbers add up to more than one-hundred because people could offer more than one cause). This fatalistic view of the impacts caused in part by burning fossil fuels could influence the national policy responses to the problem.

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teleskiguy  Nov 23, 2017 • 12:23:44am
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teleskiguy  Nov 23, 2017 • 12:33:22am

SAY WHAT!?!?

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teleskiguy  Nov 23, 2017 • 12:45:09am

The easiest most efficient way to explain #NetNeutrality to hardcore Fuckface Von Clownstick supporters:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 23, 2017 • 12:50:25am

re: #66 retired cynic

I was in the JFK generation, but I wonder if our road didn’t start with J Edgar Hoover, and his suitcase full of issues and nastiness.

Now I read of rumors to the extent that the Mafia had photos of him and his “male companion”. So it would make sense that if Hoover was unable to do anything against organized crime, he would have to take on Commies and leftists and union organizers to show that he was doing something to earn his keep.

The end result is that America has been dominated or under the influence of organized crime ever since. And America is now ruled by an organized crime family with connections to Russian oligarchs.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 23, 2017 • 1:04:46am

re: #128 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Now I read of rumors to the extent that the Mafia had photos of him and his “male companion”. So it would make sense that if Hoover was unable to do anything against organized crime, he would have to take on Commies and leftists and union organizers to show that he was doing something to earn his keep.

The end result is that America has been dominated or under the influence of organized crime ever since. And America is now ruled by an organized crime family with connections to Russian oligarchs.

For a long, long time, J. Edgar wouldn’t even admit that there was such a thing as Cosa Nostra. It certainly makes me wonder about all those rumors that the Mob had the goods on him.

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teleskiguy  Nov 23, 2017 • 1:39:02am
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 23, 2017 • 1:48:00am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 23, 2017 • 2:17:44am

So, seeing in the news that the search for the vanished Argentinian submarine, ARA San Juan (S-42) is ongoing, though there’s been a possibly ominous twist:

Argentina’s navy said on Wednesday it was investigating an unusual noise detected in the South Atlantic hours after it last communicated with a missing submarine, but refused to confirm whether it indicated an explosion.

Navy spokesman Enrique Balbi told reporters a “hydro-acoustic anomaly” was detected in the ocean almost three hours after the last communication with the vessel on November 15, 30 miles (48 kilometers) north of its last known position.

Asked if the noise could have been an explosion, the spokesman declined to speculate, saying only: “It has to be corroborated and looked into.”

telegraph.co.uk

I’m no submariner, nor would I ever claim to be an old salt, but to my layman’s ears, that really doesn’t sound good.

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teleskiguy  Nov 23, 2017 • 2:23:27am
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wheat-dogg  Nov 23, 2017 • 3:53:40am

re: #132 Dr Lizardo

So, seeing in the news that the search for the vanished Argentinian submarine, ARA San Juan (S-42) is ongoing, though there’s been a possibly ominous twist:

telegraph.co.uk

I’m no submariner, nor would I ever claim to be an old salt, but to my layman’s ears, that really doesn’t sound good.

It could have been an implosion — massive structural failure of the pressure hull. IIRC they are 70 m deep. Or the hydrogen gas from the batteries could have ignited.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2017 • 4:58:41am

re: #4 HappyWarrior

1774? You mean when we were still a British colony Grover?

And paying tariffs to the Crown (and those taxes, including on tea) was what led to the Revolution? No taxation without representation?

This fucker is even more ignorant the more you hear him squawk about taxes.

Never mind that what the nation had to actually pay for back then was far different than today.

Want to maintain a nuclear arsenal? Come up with a few trillion dollars over 30 years.
Want to maintain a military at current levels? That’s over $600 billion a year.

Return to 1774? Okay, so that’s also suggesting that Native Americans should be stewards for nearly all of North America and back to most everything east of the Appalachians.

What a dumbass.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2017 • 5:02:50am

re: #89 teleskiguy

Haven’t see this around here.

There are actual nazis in Congress.

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King is oblivious to our own country’s history.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2017 • 5:09:20am

re: #135 lawhawk

And paying tariffs to the Crown (and those taxes, including on tea) was what led to the Revolution? No taxation without representation?

This fucker is even more ignorant the more you hear him squawk about taxes.

Never mind that what the nation had to actually pay for back then was far different than today.

Want to maintain a nuclear arsenal? Come up with a few trillion dollars over 30 years.
Want to maintain a military at current levels? That’s over $600 billion a year.

Return to 1774? Okay, so that’s also suggesting that Native Americans should be stewards for nearly all of North America and back to most everything east of the Appalachians.

What a dumbass.

I mean I know Grover is low taxes above all else but if he actually believes that, he’s incredibly stupid. It’s funny, I have conservatives tell me all the time that liberals don’t understand the economy and yet here’s Grover acting like revenue should be done as it was when we were a British colony.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2017 • 5:10:34am

Happy Thanksgiving everyone by the way. This is the politblog out there and I thank you all for helping me stay sane but also laugh too and be a part of this community.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2017 • 5:11:33am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area on this fine Thanksgiving morning. The annual parade kicks off in a couple of hours and then most folks head off to their traditional family gatherings.

None of that really changes from year to year. It’s like clockwork.

So of course Trump tries to take credit for it last night, and this morning tries to take credit for an economy he inherited and ongoing growth and low unemployment trajectories that continue the path started under Obama (rate and trends are all continuing what Obama did, so it’s not Trump - but Obama who we should be thankful for).

Meanwhile, the NYT is hoping that the courts will stop Trump from gutting net neutrality. That’s a fool’s errand, mostly because Trump’s busy remaking the judiciary with the right wing extremists who aren’t qualified to sit in judgment over anyone.

Trump’s a danger to everyone and everything. His policies undermine the very people who supported him like coal miners (watch environmental and occupational safety get gutted within first year - all to give mine owners bigger profits and miners see their conditions deteriorate while jobs continue disappearing). That there are a handful of new jobs (700?!) in coal mining isn’t going to bring back an industry that now employs around 50,000 nationally. That number will continue shrinking because it doesn’t take as many people to mine the same amount of coal it once did - and we don’t need as much coal as we once did because other energy sources are cheaper, more efficient, effective, and less polluting.

But the thing that irks me is that every last one of these Trump tweets is all about him.

It’s not about us.

It’s that he’s done these “things” for us and we need to be thankful to him for those things. Never mind that he’s done nothing to shape or affect those things (the economy), but he’s manipulating the media and lying to his base to keep his meager supporters in line. They’re gullible enough to buy it and the strong economy Trump inherited is the only thing truly propping him up. Any hiccup in the economy, and Trump wont be able to claim that either (though he’ll go back to blaming Obama for it - just you watch).

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 23, 2017 • 5:17:05am

I’ve said it before and will again: Grover Norquist’s work in a just universe would barely earn him enough to rent a basement apartment in Peoria. It’s appalling that he can survive based on issuing “no-tax” pledges to politicians.

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Varek Raith  Nov 23, 2017 • 5:19:06am

Yo.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2017 • 5:19:24am

Trump is a racist bigot. And he’s absolutely proud of this:

Yeah, this is America 2017. Right wing extremists are running things and trying to undo decades of social progress in one quick and brutal push to destroy the safety net, undo civil and voting protections, and attack minorities for expressing rights angry white men have always had.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 23, 2017 • 5:20:17am

Missing Argentine submarine search teams ‘detect unidentified object’ near where ARA San Juan sent last signal

RESCUE teams searching for an Argentine submarine missing in the South Atlantic have “detected an unidentified object”, according to reports.

A US navy aircraft made the discovery near the area where ARA San Juan sent its last signal, a witness on board told Reuters.

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Varek Raith  Nov 23, 2017 • 5:21:10am

re: #143 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Missing Argentine submarine search teams ‘detect unidentified object’ near where ARA San Juan sent last signal

How long can that sub sustain the crew?

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jeffreyw  Nov 23, 2017 • 5:22:24am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 23, 2017 • 5:24:15am

re: #138 HappyWarrior

Happy Thanksgiving everyone by the way. This is the politblog out there and I thank you all for helping me stay sane but also laugh too and be a part of this community.

Happy Thanksgiving to you too, HW, and to the entire LGF community. This is one of the blogs that keeps me sane during the Trump era.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2017 • 5:26:30am

re: #144 Varek Raith

Diesel electric sub like that may be able to stay submerged for about 7 days. After that, the chances of survival drop significantly.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2017 • 5:27:09am
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Varek Raith  Nov 23, 2017 • 5:27:18am

re: #147 lawhawk

Diesel electric sub like that may be able to stay submerged for about 7 days. After that, the chances of survival drop significantly.

That’s what I was afraid of.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2017 • 5:30:13am

“Thanksgiving” is not a thing here in Israel but “Black Friday” is.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 23, 2017 • 5:34:13am

re: #144 Varek Raith

How long can that sub sustain the crew?

Various media keep saying a week, which would have run out yesterday. The Argentine navy says 7 to 10 days, which seems more likely.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2017 • 5:39:10am

re: #151 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

It also depends on the kind of damage that left the sub in the condition of being unable to surface or signal for help.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2017 • 5:42:02am

Fuck the GOP. Fuck all the magic balance fairy media types who equated Trump with Hillary. Fuck all the craven GOPers who continue enabling Trump. Fuck the GOPers who rubber stamp Trump picks, especially for the judiciary.

The GOP is the white supremacist party. Period. This is what they are and what they represent.

And Democrats better gird themselves for the fight of a lifetime that is a marathon - not a sprint. Because this is the force of evil that is pushing against them every single day with the intent to destroy decades of social progress.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 23, 2017 • 6:06:09am

USS Squalus, 1939

33 sailors were rescued from this then-new sub after it sank in 243 feet of water during a test dive. 26 others died in the initial accident. This operation was right out at the gleaming razor edge of technology at the time. The new McCann rescue chamber, which is still in service today as a backup system, was lowered from a salvage ship and mated with the sunken boat’s hatches to pull the survivors to safety. Divers who placed the chamber and its guide lines used heliox mixture, the first major operational deployment of this system.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 23, 2017 • 6:24:44am

Swarms of demonically controlled metal monsters invade the streets of the city. They roar and scream and paw the ground, seeking the destruction of every living thing. They compete and jostle and collide, sometimes destroying each other in their reckless lust for human blood.
The toll mounts and the authorities, outnumbered hundreds to one, are helpless to stem the onslaught. The hideous spectacle strikes fear and revulsion into the heart of every rational being.
Those who value their lives take refuge where they can. They huddle in fear, and pray in silent despair for divine intervention to strike the monsters down and end the nightmare.

A new Stephen King novel? A bad science fiction scenario?

Nope, just holiday traffic here in the Metroplex.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 23, 2017 • 6:36:25am
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retired cynic  Nov 23, 2017 • 6:41:59am

re: #139 lawhawk

This court jamming scheme scares the $%^&* out of me!

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Bubblehead II  Nov 23, 2017 • 6:45:28am

Morning Lizards and Happy Thanksgiving.

I hate to be the Debbie Downer here, but the Argentine sub and her crew is for all practical purposes lost. There is really no way to sugar coat it. As Lawhawk pointed out, the main key to survival is hull integrity. If the hull was breached, you would have at least one compartment flooded. If that compartment happened to contain the battery, well that’s all she wrote . Second consideration is at what depth did she bottom out. If it was shallow enough to keep the hull from imploding, you have to factor in the angle and speed of impact for additional hull damage. If it was beyond her crush depth, well that would explain the loud “explosion”. Second thing to take into account is her atmosphere. If she bottomed out with minimal damage and at least one compartment un-flooded there might be a slim chance if the atmosphere has remained uncontaminated by smoke or other chemicals (Sulfuric acid doesn’t play well with salt water). CO2 build up is another factor. If they can’t remove the CO2, they’re screwed. Think Apollo 13. That 7-10 days estimate is probably based on an undamaged system with minimum functionality. Then we have the very real possibility of hypothermia. No power means no heat. These are just a few things that have a direct bearing on survivalbility and as thing now stand, it’s not looking good.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 23, 2017 • 6:47:43am

barf

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 23, 2017 • 6:50:27am

re: #144 Varek Raith

How long can that sub sustain the crew?

I heard about a weeks worth of air, a week or so of water.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 23, 2017 • 6:52:40am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 23, 2017 • 6:54:02am

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Beautiful family. I miss them so much.

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I cannot.  Nov 23, 2017 • 6:57:07am

I work in mass market retail…my career with this company is old enough to drink, to say nothing of me…let’s just say I’ve had a bad day and was unable to make it to my scheduled breaks (approx 5 am, the first relief I would have for what I was doing would be 7 am…I was scheduled to leave at 7:30, so fck you sideways boss…)

I had words to say to my department manager…summed up below

Boss: You knew what today was, you had the chance to take your breaks
Me: I know what today was, I was too busy.
Us: BLAHBLAHBLAH
Boss: You knew what today was.
Me: I know, did you?

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2017 • 7:08:36am

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Come on @GroverNorquist lets play! Pretend I never studied economics. Explain to me the optimal corporate and personal income tax rates and how deviations from them impact the economy.

this is unarguably the wrong question
its the cart before the horse question

first question has to be how much money does the government need. - ie what does it have to pay for. these are the real policy debates. arguing about what is and is not the fed gov’ts role(s). you cant discuss how much to tax until you know how much tax the govt needs to raise. you dont spend what you raise, you raise what you need to spend.

the second question is what’s the number the rate will be based on - ie what is taxed. some definition of gross income, an “adjusted” income, wealth, or something else?

the third question is who pays how much - is it flat, progressive, proportional, fair, reasonable etc?

the “rate” question must be last because it is isolated and meaningless without the context of the first three. after you know the answers to the other 3, the rate or rates are whatever amount covers the first question.

any rate too low causes deficits - a separate, reasonable, discussion. any rate too high leads to surpluses. also not a bad idea - sometimes you save money for future needs - think infrastructure, fema, and other unanticipated disasters

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 23, 2017 • 7:08:52am

To all lizards throughout the world: Happy Thanksgiving!

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 23, 2017 • 7:15:13am

re: #164 dangerman


the second question is what’s the number the rate will be based on - ie what is taxed. some definition of gross income, an “adjusted” income, wealth, or something else?

And a related issue: what is counted as income and is different income treated differently? Why should labor be subject to both the highest level of income taxes and and FiCA taxes, while dividends, carried interest, and capital gains are taxed at a much lower rate?

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 23, 2017 • 7:15:20am

Ask a Republican if he or she wants to live in low rent housing. Or drive an under maintained car. Fly old creaky airliners to and from. Wear old clothes or shoes.

The answer will be no, no, no. So, I say, why would you want low rent governance?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 23, 2017 • 7:15:52am

re: #165 Hecuba’s daughter

To all lizards throughout the world: Happy Thanksgiving!

Doing the whole bit—turkey on the Weber, classicaL trimmings, outdoors if weather holds. And we have a brace of notional Cherokee princesses.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 23, 2017 • 7:19:09am

re: #168 Decatur Deb

Doing the whole bit—turkey on the Weber, classicaL trimmings, outdoors if weather holds. And we have a brace of notional Cherokee princesses.

Outdoors? But it’s thirty freakin’ degrees outside!

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Mike Lamb  Nov 23, 2017 • 7:20:52am

Trump taking credit for unemployment rates and the stock market is the same as the runner scoring from first taking credit for the home run hit by the guy batting behind him.

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2017 • 7:26:24am

re: #166 Hecuba’s daughter

And a related issue: what is counted as income and is different income treated differently? Why should labor be subject to both the highest level of income taxes and and FiCA taxes, while dividends, carried interest, and capital gains are taxed at a much lower rate?

I was soaring at 30000 feet
You are of course right

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 23, 2017 • 7:27:41am

re: #164 dangerman

this is unarguably the wrong question
its the cart before the horse question

first question has to be how much money does the government need. - ie what does it have to pay for. these are the real policy debates. arguing about what is and is not the fed gov’ts role(s). you cant discuss how much to tax until you know how much tax the govt needs to raise. you dont spend what you raise, you raise what you need to spend.

the second question is what’s the number the rate will be based on - ie what is taxed. some definition of gross income, an “adjusted” income, wealth, or something else?

the third question is who pays how much - is it flat, progressive, proportional, fair, reasonable etc?

the “rate” question must be last because it is isolated and meaningless without the context of the first three. after you know the answers to the other 3, the rate or rates are whatever amount covers the first question.

any rate too low causes deficits - a separate, reasonable, discussion. any rate too high leads to surpluses. also not a bad idea - sometimes you save money for future needs - think infrastructure, fema, and other unanticipated disasters

We have utterly lost the most basic consensus we once enjoyed as a nation about what the federal government is expected to do in general. Defend, infrastructure, and regulate. Then there was what some thought it should do. Or should not, in a far more mild manner than these days.

Now we have a fight, us v them. We must fight to tell them what the government will not be permitted to do. Rolling back enviro, discrimination and biz regulations to put corporations in charge of those very things. Engage in compromises like putting a pedophile over a qualified democrat for high office.

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2017 • 7:28:21am

re: #126 teleskiguy

SAY WHAT!?!?

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LOLOLOL.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 23, 2017 • 7:28:48am

Happy Thanksgiving, one and all, no matter where in the world you may find yourself.

We’re having a Thanksgiving party at the school tonight, so I’ll be back tomorrow after work.

Enjoy the day!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 23, 2017 • 7:32:24am

Happy Thanksgiving to the Lizardim. I am so thankful for all of you guys. You are friends one and all. As I’ve stated before, if any of y’all are in the vicinity of the wild north country for a time, drop me a line and I’ll buy a drink and a bite to eat.

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2017 • 7:33:31am

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re: #172 Unshaken Defiance

We have utterly lost the most basic consensus we once enjoyed as a nation about what the federal government is expected to do in general. Defend, infrastructure, and regulate. Then there was what some thought it should do. Or should not, in a far more mild manner than these days.

Now we have a fight, us v them. We must fight to tell them what the government will not be permitted to do. Rolling back enviro, discrimination and biz regulations to put corporations in charge of those very things. Engage in compromises like putting a pedophile over a qualified democrat for high office.

thats true and it all falls squarely in the first question

i think the debate over what government does and doesnt, should and shouldnt is constant and never ending becuase the world is constantly changing. that’s the point of politics and statesmanship. we should always be steering and correcting the ship. stuff happens, stuff pops up. new issues arise, old ones fade.

now we conflate governments purposes with tax rates and never have full throttled fair arguments about either. they think if they shrink receipts then we will have to shrink spending. that ignores the deficits that they hate, or is it love, or is it dont care about?

gahhhh

im gonna go make an apple cake

xoxox one and all

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 23, 2017 • 7:35:25am

re: #176 dangerman

Heck yes, enjoy some cooking.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Nov 23, 2017 • 7:39:47am

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! Enjoy the day and don’t let worry about the future spoil this moment.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 23, 2017 • 7:41:11am

re: #178 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! Enjoy the day and don’t let worry about the future spoil this moment.

Mrs. Fish has the ham in the oven right now and I am practically drooling. I am going to need to eat before we leave for the late lunch/early dinner feast or I might wind up eating one of Mrs. Fish’s family.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 23, 2017 • 7:49:36am

re: #169 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Outdoors? But it’s thirty freakin’ degrees outside!

Alabama isn’t all Roy Moore, kudzu, and fire ants. This is our good time of year.

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plansbandc  Nov 23, 2017 • 7:49:49am

Happy Thanksgiving lizards! Hope you get lots of what you love to eat. Stay safe out there!

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 23, 2017 • 7:59:51am

re: #121 Anymouse 🌹

Probably a Russian troll. And there may be people ignorant enough who fall for this argument.

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calochortus  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:00:09am

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.
We’ll be low key here, just 6 of us since daughter and son-in-law will be with his family this year. We’ll still do the turkey with all the trimmings and have a nice time.

Meanwhile I will be truly thankful if I can get my computer fully updated. I finally got the OS to upgrade (however slowly) yesterday, then the stupid computer spent an hour downloading the update to iPhoto and just at the end had an error and froze. Grrrrr. I have a love/hate relationship with technology.

On the other hand, if that’s the worst of my problems, life must be pretty good. And for that, I am thankful.

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mmmirele  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:04:34am

My mother wants to go to Village Inn. So we’re going to Village Inn for a late lunch today.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:04:54am

re: #170 Mike Lamb

Trump taking credit for unemployment rates and the stock market is the same as the runner (who gained the base on an intentional walk) scoring from first taking credit for the home run hit by the guy batting behind him.

ftfy

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Stanley Sea  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:05:07am

re: #179 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Thats all I want today. Ham.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:05:48am

re: #155 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Swarms of demonically controlled metal monsters invade the streets of the city. They roar and scream and paw the ground, seeking the destruction of every living thing. They compete and jostle and collide, sometimes destroying each other in their reckless lust for human blood.
The toll mounts and the authorities, outnumbered hundreds to one, are helpless to stem the onslaught. The hideous spectacle strikes fear and revulsion into the heart of every rational being.
Those who value their lives take refuge where they can. They huddle in fear, and pray in silent despair for divine intervention to strike the monsters down and end the nightmare.

A new Stephen King novel? A bad science fiction scenario?

Nope, just holiday traffic here in the Metroplex.

I’m out in Rockwall. Are you in downtown Dallas?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:05:55am

re: #186 Stanley Sea

Thats all I want today. Ham.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone

The turkey can be hit-or-miss with Mrs. Fish’s family. Depending on who prepared it, it can have great flavor and be well-cooked… or it can be dangerously underdone and leave everybody suffering for the entire weekend. I think I’ll stick to the ham, myself.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:06:02am

re: #59 William Lewis

I’ve said it before: the best tax rate existed in 1959. It’s been all mistakes since.

Except thanks to the complications of the code, very few paid close to that rate. In the 1980’s, the new CEO of the small firm that employed me paid only 5% in taxes. That was the reason that the AMT was created and that’s why the GOP is targeting that provision of the law.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:08:54am

Don’t know if this has been shared, but CIA told Mossad in January that Trump was likely compromised by Russia. In May he had his famous meeting with Kislyak and Lavrov in which Trump spilled highly classified details of a Mossad operation against ISIS.

vanityfair.com

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Belafon  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:10:14am

Here’s a thought: if people have to pay to get to Twitter, how many will?

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jaunte  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:10:31am

Happy Immigration Day, fellow immigrants!

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:13:04am

This noxious view sums up much of the support for Trump, Moore and other sex predators.

Men are entitled to do what they want because they’re men. Women don’t have a say, even when they’re told no.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:14:05am

re: #190 Barefoot Grin

Don’t know if this has been shared, but CIA told Mossad in January that Trump was likely compromised by Russia. In May he had his famous meeting with Kislyak and Lavrov in which Trump spilled highly classified details of a Mossad operation against ISIS.

vanityfair.com

Can you imagine how Fox and the Republicans would have treated this if Hillary were President? Non-stop broadcasts on her treason and impeachment proceedings underway.

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retired cynic  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:17:07am

Tears, and part of the MBF. A friend on the book of the face:

I stopped at a fast food restaurant to grab something to eat before I went back to the office and listened to NPR on the radio while I ate, of the detailing of the investigation by troops which had entered a Bosnian or Croatian town only to discover that all the women in that little village had been murdered and their bodies had been thrown in the village well by the Serbian Army which had billeted there.
Prior to murdering these woman, the Serbs had rounded up all the males- youngsters, young men and old, marched them to the outskirts of the village and executed them.
They then forced the women to have sex with them, prepare meals and take care of their needs, before slaughtering them all and throwing their bodies into the village well with an ill attempt to hide the atrocity.
I had previously seen a photo of a young blond man, Bosnian, about the age and appearance of my son at the time, kneeling in the road of his Bosnian village, begging for his life, just before he was executed for being a Muslim, and tears fell both times.
I had a couple I was representing in a personal injury case , they were from the disintegrating Yugoslavia, he a Serb and she a Croat, and at each meeting, I wanted to ask, “What the fu-k is wrong with your people?” But, I didn’t.
Bill Clinton was President and sent American Troops to the suckhole of the Baltics where the last two world wars had their conception, because there must be something dreadfully wrong with the DNA of the humans in that area, and eventually the atrocities were forced by arms to come to an end.
I listened to Katy Turac ask if Bill Clinton shouldn’t have resigned over his scandals with women, and I thought, Sweetie, there are Bosnians and Croats living today that worship his name.
Ratko Mliac has been convicted today, in a World Court, for his crimes against humanity as a military leader in the Serbian Army and as it is in history, some of us see history as a tapestry and others only see the snapshots.

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jaunte  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:20:17am

re: #195 retired cynic

Baltics?

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retired cynic  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:23:28am

re: #196 jaunte

Baltics?

She was referring to that, yes. I messed up the block quote, which is fixed now. But she is native American, and in California!

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calochortus  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:24:12am

re: #197 retired cynic

She was referring to that, yes. I messed up the block quote, which is fixed now. But she is native American, and in California!

I think it should be Balkans rather than Baltics.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:24:18am

re: #194 Hecuba’s daughter

Can you imagine how Fox and the Republicans would have treated this if Hillary were President? Non-stop broadcasts on her treason and impeachment proceedings underway.

Yep, there would already be five separate high-profile investigations with Gowdy leading all of them.

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steve_davis  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:26:53am

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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the average American assuredly did not have slaves, just like the average American did not own a horse. Those were luxury items that required enormous expenses in food, lodging, clothing.

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retired cynic  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:27:00am

re: #198 calochortus

I think it should be Balkans rather than Baltics.

Oh, for heaven sakes, yes. I’m an idiot.

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meteor  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:29:22am
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calochortus  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:30:31am

re: #201 retired cynic

Oh, for heaven sakes, yes. I’m an idiot.

Not hardly. Think of it as a typo.

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jaunte  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:32:05am
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steve_davis  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:32:21am

re: #21 Big Beautiful Door

Anyway, I brought this up late in the previous thread, so I’ll mention it again here. As I feared, more women have made accusations against Al Franken. Yes, he has the right to stay in the Senate and be subjected to an ethics investigation, and possibly a public hearing with testimony. But if he chooses that route, its going to get ugly.

yahoo.com

anonymous accusations. again, hand on the ass kind of stuff. I don’t want to sound morally relativistic, but if this were what Roy Moore was accused of, I’d be inclined to also think it’s pretty weak tea.

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:35:27am

re: #202 meteor

Korben the Budgie
@korbenisabird
coo coo coooo coo coo

learning to speak walrus?

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ObserverArt  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:36:20am

Regarding Republican Tax Reform…

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:38:43am

re: #205 steve_davis

anonymous accusations. again, hand on the ass kind of stuff. I don’t want to sound morally relativistic, but if this were what Roy Moore was accused of, I’d be inclined to also think it’s pretty weak tea.

I agree — Franken is showing himself to be a juvenile jerk, but so far no accusations of threats, force (other than, perhaps, the one unwanted kiss), molestation, reprisals, or objectionable treatment of those working for him. And not stalking women (or girls)at malls or elsewhere

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The Major  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:38:54am

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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calochortus  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:40:34am

re: #208 Hecuba’s daughter

I agree — Franken is showing himself to be a juvenile jerk, but so far no accusations of threats, force (other than, perhaps, the one unwanted kiss), molestation, reprisals, or objectionable treatment of those working for him. And not stalking women (or girls)at malls or elsewhere

I’d bet actual money he thought it was funny. He was wrong, of course.

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jaunte  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:40:44am

Looking at some early Thanksgiving prayers. This one makes me wish Samuel Lane had been at the WH press briefing to respond to Sarah Huckabee Sanders:

On Thanksgiving Day 1793, 75-year-old Samuel Lane was thankful for:

- The Life & health of myself and family, and also of so many of my Children, grand Children and great grandchildren; also of my other Relations and friends & Neighbors, for Health peace and plenty amongst us.
- For my Bible and Many other good and Useful Books, Civil & Religious Privileges, for the ordinances of the gospel; and for my Minister.
- For my Land, House and Barn and other Buildings, & that they are preserv’d from fire & other accidents.
- For my wearing Clothes to keep me warm, my Bed & Bedding to rest upon.
- For my Cattle, Sheep & Swine & other Creatures, for my support.
- For my Corn, Wheat, Rye Grass and Hay; Wool, flax, Cider, apples, Pumpkins, Potatoes, Cabbages, turnips, Carrots, Beets peaches and other fruits.
- For my Clock and Watch to measure my passing time by Day and by Night,Wood, Water, Butter, Cheese, Milk, Pork, Beef, & fish, &c
- For Tea, Sugar, Rum, Wine, Gin, Molasses, pepper, Spice & Money for to bye other Necessaries and to pay my Debts & Taxes &c.
- For my Leather, Lamp oil & Candles, Husbandry Utensils, & other tools of every sort &c &c &c.

Bless the Lord O my soul and all that is within me Bless his holy Name.
Jane C. Nylander, Our Own Snug Fireside (New Haven, Yale University Press, 1993).

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The Major  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:41:34am

re: #207 ObserverArt

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:41:42am

re: #209 The Major

Grover expects to live in a modern society without paying his fair share to maintain the society. But as I said earlier, does anyone still take him seriously? Maybe we should all encourage him to move to a paradise like Somalia — no government there.

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Interesting Times  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:42:13am

re: #210 calochortus

I’d bet actual money he thought it was funny. He was wrong, of course.

That’s right. What he’s accused of is practically identical to George H.W. Bush’s David Copperfield “joke”.

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ObserverArt  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:42:27am

And a little Photoshop Thanksgiving message…

I give you the bird!
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:43:41am

re: #210 calochortus

I’d bet actual money he thought it was funny. He was wrong, of course.

You are absolutely right. This is what happens from being a professional comedian.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:45:00am

re: #210 calochortus

I’d bet actual money he thought it was funny. He was wrong, of course.

That’s what it boils down to, for me. The guy was being juvenile. He thought it was funny. It wasn’t. The accusations are coming out at a terrible time, and he may have to pay for it. It’s not anywhere on the same level as Roy Moore, but that doesn’t mean he is blameless.

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jaunte  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:46:06am

re: #207 ObserverArt

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calochortus  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:46:09am

Time to move on to actual, constructive activities. Let’s see if I can do a Firefox update without anything exploding…

BBL

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:48:21am

re: #217 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That’s what it boils down to, for me. The guy was being juvenile. He thought it was funny. It wasn’t. The accusations are coming out at a terrible time, and he may have to pay for it. It’s not anywhere on the same level as Roy Moore, but that doesn’t mean he is blameless.

Definitely not blameless — but, so far, not criminal either — not even a misdemeanor offense. And not like the graphic pictures others have sent (which, when consensual, is also not illegal).

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ObserverArt  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:49:10am

re: #212 The Major

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:50:17am

re: #213 Hecuba’s daughter

Grover expects to live in a modern society without paying his fair share to maintain the society. But as I said earlier, does anyone still take him seriously? Maybe we should all encourage him to move to a paradise like Somalia — no government there.

DINGDINGDING!! We have a winner! Libertarians and Libertarian-leaning Conservatives want to live in the modern America that Liberalism built and not pay for it. They want roads, they want police, fire, and national defense, they want disaster relief (if the disaster hits them); they don’t want people begging in the streets, they don’t want the economy going through the cycles of boom and crash it went through before 1930, they don’t want poor people dying in the streets, they don’t want old people living in cardboard boxes under bridges.

They just have no idea how to achieve that without the modern state, and they get to believe their silly fantasies that they can have all this and no taxes because nobody will ever actually put that into action.

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jaunte  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:50:36am
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Ace Rothstein  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:52:33am

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:52:46am

re: #223 jaunte

Thank you Jaunte and Gus.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:53:44am

re: #224 Ace Rothstein

Oy Vey. Are you trying to give me nightmares?

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:54:12am

re: #226 PhillyPretzel

Oy Vey. Are you trying to give me nightmares?

No, just a good chuckle.

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jaunte  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:54:34am

re: #224 Ace Rothstein

Uncanny similarity of gesture.

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jaunte  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:54:51am

Look at those little hands.

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Bubblehead II  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:55:13am
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ObserverArt  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:55:23am

re: #218 jaunte

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jaunte  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:58:30am
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retired cynic  Nov 23, 2017 • 8:59:29am

re: #203 calochortus

Not hardly. Think of it as a typo.

Well, it was my friend’s typo, but I didn’t catch it, even when it was pointed out!

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:01:29am

re: #222 Blind Frog Belly White

DINGDINGDING!! We have a winner! Libertarians and Libertarian-leaning Conservatives want to live in the modern America that Liberalism built and not pay for it. They want roads, they want police, fire, and national defense, they want disaster relief (if the disaster hits them); they don’t want people begging in the streets, they don’t want the economy going through the cycles of boom and crash it went through before 1930, they don’t want poor people dying in the streets, they don’t want old people living in cardboard boxes under bridges.

They just have no idea how to achieve that without the modern state, and they get to believe their silly fantasies that they can have all this and no taxes because nobody will ever actually put that into action.

and as i said above their method is to first strangle receipts (lower taxes). they think that inevitably must lead to slashing budgets. after thats done when there isnt enough money left to pay for even the meager parts of govt they want, up go the deficits, which all of a sudden dont matter.

its not tax policy
its not economic policy
its not monetary policy
its mostly short-sighted more for me policy. the long term posterity be damned

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:05:52am

re: #220 Hecuba’s daughter

Definitely not blameless — but, so far, not criminal either — not even a misdemeanor offense. And not like the graphic pictures others have sent (which, when consensual, is also not illegal).

I don’t know. In some jurisdictions, couldn’t grabbing a woman’s ass without consent be sexual assault? I’m genuinely asking because I want to understand the technicalities involved.

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ObserverArt  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:07:23am

re: #234 dangerman

and as i said above their method is to first strangle receipts (lower taxes). they think that inevitably must lead to slashing budgets. after thats done when there isnt enough money left to pay for even the meager parts of govt they want, up go the deficits, which all of a sudden dont matter.

its not tax policy
its not economic policy
its not monetary policy
its mostly short-sighted more for me policy. the long term posterity be damned

I’m 63 and white so I think I can say this.

It appears sometimes we have a bunch of angry and arrogant mostly white old men that have a huge chip on their shoulders regarding social programs. They are out to take “their” money out of it all so they can go off to their fucking graves fat and happy that they got “them” back.

And then that money and attitude gets passed down protected for their families to carry on that thinking.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:07:26am

re: #234 dangerman

and as i said above their method is to first strangle receipts (lower taxes). they think that inevitably must lead to slashing budgets. after thats done when there isnt enough money left to pay for even the meager parts of govt they want, up go the deficits, which all of a sudden dont matter.

its not tax policy
its not economic policy
its not monetary policy
its mostly short-sighted more for me policy. the long term posterity be damned

It’s what happens when your political/economic philosophy starts from a conclusion and works backwards to justify that conclusion, rather than starting from what you want society to look like and figuring out how to make that work.

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:08:38am

re: #236 ObserverArt

You are correct; that is how they think.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:08:50am

re: #222 Blind Frog Belly White

DINGDINGDING!! We have a winner! Libertarians and Libertarian-leaning Conservatives want to live in the modern America that Liberalism built and not pay for it. They want roads, they want police, fire, and national defense, they want disaster relief (if the disaster hits them); they don’t want people begging in the streets, they don’t want the economy going through the cycles of boom and crash it went through before 1930, they don’t want poor people dying in the streets, they don’t want old people living in cardboard boxes under bridges.

They just have no idea how to achieve that without the modern state, and they get to believe their silly fantasies that they can have all this and no taxes because nobody will ever actually put that into action.

Years ago I read a book about the Long Term Capital Management crisis that almost brought down the entire world economy. IIRC, one of the key employees was basically a libertarian Ayn Rand dudebro. He complained about government until it was the only thing that stood between him and personal bankruptcy and total chaos — and then he wanted help.

If we faced a similar crisis today, I don’t think Trump would be of particular help though the Goldman Sachs crooks in his Cabinet may actually know what to do.

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:12:08am

re: #237 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s what happens when your political/economic philosophy starts from a conclusion and works backwards to justify that conclusion, rather than starting from what you want society to look like and figuring out how to make that work.

lots of: ^^^^^^^
you nailed it
(i tend to wander and be verbose)

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:14:41am

re: #236 ObserverArt

I’m 63 and white so I think I can say this.

It appears sometimes we have a bunch of angry and arrogant mostly white old men that have a huge chip on their shoulders regarding social programs. They are out to take “their” money out of it all so they can go off to their fucking graves fat and happy that they got “them” back.

And then that money and attitude gets passed down protected for their families to carry on that thinking.

the moral logic of common sacrifice only works when we, all together, share the obligations and risks of our condition and security. recognizing that there is a range - or spectrum - of people with different circumstances, talents, assets, problems, etc. and one size does not fit all

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The Major  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:15:55am

re: #211 jaunte

Well, he does seem thankful, for sure. re: #221 ObserverArt

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:16:25am

Cripes, I ride by this place almost every Sunday in the summer! It’s on Alpine, right at the turn for Arastradero!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:17:05am

re: #236 ObserverArt

I initially read your comment as: “I’m 6’3 and white…”

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:19:41am

re: #239 Hecuba’s daughter

Years ago I read a book about the Long Term Capital Management crisis that almost brought down the entire world economy. IIRC, one of the key employees was basically a libertarian Ayn Rand dudebro. He complained about government until it was the only thing that stood between him and personal bankruptcy and total chaos — and then he wanted help.

If we faced a similar crisis today, I don’t think Trump would be of particular help though the Goldman Sachs crooks in his Cabinet may actually know what to do.

this is a really huge gorilla sitting on an elephant in the govt room - no forward thinking or planning
a prudent government would prepare for at least some eventualities because
you cant just pass emergency current year funding or post-hoc finance every natural disaster, or need for infrastructure repair, or…so many hundreds of other examples.

while not specifically identifiable, the inevitability of something is reasonably assured.

but even broach the subject of a current year surplus set aside or saved for the future? forget it. cant even get them to pay the current bills.

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:20:50am

re: #244 Eclectic Cyborg

I initially read your comment as: “I’m 6’3 and white…”

doesnt change the message (much) //

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:22:34am

re: #243 Blind Frog Belly White

So, I’ve ridden past where the internet started. I also have had a beer in the pub where Bob Swanson finally managed to get Herb Boyer to listen to his idea to make him really rich and to give birth to Biotech.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:24:59am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:26:10am
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dangerman  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:26:47am

re: #247 Blind Frog Belly White

So, I’ve ridden past where the internet started. I also have had a beer in the pub where Bob Swanson finally managed to get Herb Boyer to listen to his idea to make him really rich and to give birth to Biotech.

Lots to be thankful for

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JordanRules  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:28:00am

Stealth groping is a thing and very much a thing at photo ops. It’s not for laughs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:28:04am
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dangerman  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:29:27am

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Clueless. Him not me

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:30:27am

re: #251 JordanRules

Stealth groping is a thing and very much a thing at photo ops. It’s not for laughs.

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To the point where if you go to a comic con, there are signs everywhere saying that no matter what the female cosplayers are wearing, you need to ask before touching, on pain of being escorted (forcefully, if necessary) from the event.

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:33:41am

I’m about two minutes in on ‘Alice’s Restaurant’ and I’m ready to go out into 30 degree weather and mow the lawn. Curse you, Arlo.

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JordanRules  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:35:54am
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dangerman  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:36:03am

bourbon sugar and butter melted and combined in a saucepan

mother’s milk glaze for the finished apple cake

its a 9x13 cake
more than a cup of glaze
it’s gonna just be drenched!

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:37:04am

re: #256 JordanRules

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to mix a metaphor, Dali had quite the lust for life

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:40:06am

re: #205 steve_davis

anonymous accusations. again, hand on the ass kind of stuff. I don’t want to sound morally relativistic, but if this were what Roy Moore was accused of, I’d be inclined to also think it’s pretty weak tea.

I think we men seriously underestimate how offensive and demeaning women find it for their body parts to be considered men’s playthings, including their butts. If in fact Franken made a habit of grabbing the butt of any woman he felt inclined to molest, he’s got to go. The Democratic Party needs to make a stand that treating women this way is not acceptable and will no longer be tolerated.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:44:41am

re: #213 Hecuba’s daughter

Grover expects to live in a modern society without paying his fair share to maintain the society. But as I said earlier, does anyone still take him seriously? Maybe we should all encourage him to move to a paradise like Somalia — no government there.

Grover is expressing his ultimate end goal which of course will never be achieved since the Republican base expects a large military and depend on Social Security and Medicare. It does show, however, that there will never come a time when the GOP’s primary policy objective is something other than cutting taxes on the rich.

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lawhawk  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:46:03am

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

The USCG doesn’t have F-35s or the budget to order more ships. Trump’s budget proposal cut the USCG budget by $1 billion or more, which is like a 10% cut.

Trump literally thinks these are invisible planes. He doesn’t have a clue what the Navy guys are talking about.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:47:49am

re: #235 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I don’t know. In some jurisdictions, couldn’t grabbing a woman’s ass without consent be sexual assault? I’m genuinely asking because I want to understand the technicalities involved.

Its assault in any jurisdiction.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:51:20am

re: #251 JordanRules

Stealth groping is a thing and very much a thing at photo ops. It’s not for laughs.

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And this is why what Franken is accused of is not “weak tea.”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:57:10am

Conservative Researcher Set To Disprove Liberalism Forever

Seeking to prove that a conspiracy of astronauts fabricated the shape of the Earth, a California man intends to launch himself 1,800 feet high on Saturday in a rocket he built from scrap metal.

Assuming the 500-mph, mile-long flight through the Mojave Desert does not kill him, Mike Hughes told the Associated Press, his journey into the atmosflat will mark the first phase of his ambitious flat-Earth space program.

“atmosflat” hehehe :-)

Hughes’s ultimate goal is a subsequent launch that puts him miles above the Earth, where the 61-year-old limousine driver hopes to photograph proof of the disc we all live on.

“It’ll shut the door on this ball earth,” Hughes said in a fundraising interview with a flat-Earth group for Saturday’s flight. Theories discussed during the interview included NASA being controlled by round-Earth Freemasons and Elon Musk making fake rockets from blimps.

and soros. don’t ever forget to blame soros!

Hughes promised the flat-Earth community that he would expose the conspiracy with his steam-powered rocket, which will launch from a heavily modified mobile home — though he acknowledged that he still had much to learn about rocket science.

washingtonpost.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:58:07am

re: #261 lawhawk

The USCG doesn’t have F-35s or the budget to order more ships. Trump’s budget proposal cut the USCG budget by $1 billion or more, which is like a 10% cut.

Trump literally thinks these are invisible planes. He doesn’t have a clue what the Navy guys are talking about.

when he was asking about the invisible planes:”I said but in a fight. You know, in a fight, like I watch on the movies.”

That’s just so perfectly descriptive of how he thinks.

SMDH

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nines09  Nov 23, 2017 • 9:58:36am

re: #255 makeitstop

I’m about two minutes in on ‘Alice’s Restaurant’ and I’m ready to go out into 30 degree weather and mow the lawn. Curse you, Arlo.

“You can get anything you want at”….. BLAM!…thud.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:00:23am

re: #264 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

I find it really hard to believe that anyone actually believes the world is flat. Of course, argument from personal incredulity is a fallacy, not an argument.

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Interesting Times  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:04:50am

re: #267 Blind Frog Belly White

I find it really hard to believe that anyone actually believes the world is flat. Of course, argument from personal incredulity is a fallacy, not an argument.

I think I’ve said this before, but it’s as if we’re rapidly approaching the opposite of a “sweet spot” where too much tech is as bad as too little. That is, prior to the advent of photo/video/instant communication, it was easy to take advantage of ignorance and lack of info to make people believe ridiculous things. But now, with photos being so easy to fake, conspiracy theorists can:

a) create their own convincing forgeries
b) convince marks and suckers that real evidence is forged

I shudder to think of what will happen once video becomes as easy to “shop” as photos.

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plf1953  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:08:52am

re: #251 JordanRules

Stealth groping is a thing and very much a thing at photo ops. It’s not for laughs.

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Wow. I’m a 64 yo guy, and had no idea this was a “thing” …and tolerated by women all this time.

What happened to basic respect for one’s fellow human being?

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:10:39am

re: #266 nines09

“You can get anything you want at”….. BLAM!…thud.

Seriously. If I never hear it again, I’ll be happy.

Luckily, a friend called from Utah right after I posted, so I went out on the deck and had a pleasant chat until my wife came out and gave me the all-clear.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:11:14am

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

Good freakin’ Dog
That was so much damn gibberish it was hard to read.
It was like my damn brain was refusing to acknowledge that it was written in English

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:13:58am

re: #269 plf1953

Wow. I’m a 64 yo guy, and had no idea this was a “thing” …and tolerated by women all this time.

What happened to basic respect for one’s fellow human being?

It’s not really tolerated, more ignored. Most women, if asked, will tell you they don’t really want that kind of attention, they just feel powerless to do anything about it. Slap the guy? Arrested for assault. Tell somebody? Get told to suck it up, it’s just a harmless bit of fun, “locker room talk”. That’s if anybody actually takes you seriously. It’s disgusting and infuriating, but it’s true - women are forced to endure it simply because they have no viable recourse.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:14:04am
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plf1953  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:16:52am

re: #265 Backwoods_Sleuth

when he was asking about the invisible planes:”I said but in a fight. You know, in a fight, like I watch on the movies.”

That’s just so perfectly descriptive of how he thinks.

SMDH

“… like I watch ‘on’ the movies.”

The IQ of a toad.

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:17:46am

re: #270 makeitstop

Seriously. If I never hear it again, I’ll be happy.

Luckily, a friend called from Utah right after I posted, so I went out on the deck and had a pleasant chat until my wife came out and gave me the all-clear.

get it done in 1:17:

YouTube

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:18:52am

re: #274 plf1953

“… like I watch ‘on’ the movies.”

The IQ of a stupid toad.

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plf1953  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:21:18am

re: #276 dangerman

I think that’s redundant, but I like it anyway 😀

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:22:59am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:23:22am

EXPOSED: BREITBART WRITER’S VILE RACIST GROUP

Jack Hadfield’s secret Facebook group is populated with Holocaust jokes, antisemitic conspiracies, nazi posts and sick comments aimed at Jo Cox - it also includes Tory activists and UKIP’s youth leader.

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plf1953  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:26:40am

re: #278 FormerDirtDart

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I, too, feel disoriented after reading Trump.

Nauseous in fact.

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:33:48am

re: #278 FormerDirtDart

I often wonder. Do the people that transcribe Trumps unscripted speeches suffer from headaches, dizziness, nausea fear for the country?
Because, just reading that collection of gibberish left me a bit out of sorts…

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The Major  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:34:27am

re: #261 lawhawk

The F-35 should have never been built in the first place - it’s like what many accuse Multics of being of - a horse being designed by a committee and resulting in a camel.

But Multics did get one thing right that everybody else got wrong - they made damn sure security was included as a core requirement - which ARPANET (now known as the Internet) didn’t.

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plf1953  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:34:46am

re: #207 ObserverArt

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:36:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:42:28am
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:43:22am
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:46:07am

re: #286 FormerDirtDart

Ha.

But it’s popular for Christmas too in my neck of the woods— maybe they don’t want to switch labels.

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sagehen  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:47:11am

re: #126 teleskiguy

SAY WHAT!?!?

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allegro  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:48:50am

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reminds me of this one of infant Storm soundly sleeping in a dangerous position…

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austin_blue  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:54:25am

re: #175 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Happy Thanksgiving to the Lizardim. I am so thankful for all of you guys. You are friends one and all. As I’ve stated before, if any of y’all are in the vicinity of the wild north country for a time, drop me a line and I’ll buy a drink and a bite to eat.

Bribery will work just fine!

Happy Thanksgiving!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:55:28am

Today, I’m thankful that Donald Trump hasn’t gotten us nuked into oblivion yet.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:55:36am

re: #289 allegro

Checking for gas leaks?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 23, 2017 • 10:56:41am
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allegro  Nov 23, 2017 • 11:01:35am

re: #292 FormerDirtDart

Checking for gas leaks?

Haha I’ve been trying to think of a caption for that.

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meteor  Nov 23, 2017 • 11:11:52am

re: #271 FormerDirtDart

It wasn’t.

WTAF

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2017 • 11:18:31am

We went to see them blow up the balloons for the Macy’s parade last night. Oy.

We exited the subway at the Museum of Natural History (78th Street and Central Park West), at which point we had to walk up to 82nd Street and head west to Columbus Avenue, and then walk south to 76th Street, and then east back to Central Park West for final approach - at which point a cop told us that from there it was another hour’s walking, at which point chances were good that they’d end the whole thing and tell everyone to go home.

And it was fucking cold. And windy.

So we bailed and caught an Uber to an Italian joint on Columbus and I had a Bolognese to die for, then across the street to a bar full of rude, drunken millenials doing bad karaoke for a beer and to watch the end of the Knicks game. And about halfway through the beer, the caravan of floats came up the street and swung around for assembly for the parade.

And after finishing our drinks, we walked back to the subway, where I finally got some balloon pics!

Cool float with a dropped Caddy.
Seriously, who among us has not ended up face down in the middle of a NYC street?
If you were trapped under a net in 30 degree weather, you’d be angry, too.
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ObserverArt  Nov 23, 2017 • 11:20:30am

re: #255 makeitstop

I’m about two minutes in on ‘Alice’s Restaurant’ and I’m ready to go out into 30 degree weather and mow the lawn. Curse you, Arlo.

Heh, Right now two of my neighbors are out mowing their lawns.

Don’t think Arlo is involved in their decisions.

Hint: It’s going to be warmer this weekend. I would wait.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 23, 2017 • 11:21:34am

re: #264 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Conservative Researcher Set To Disprove Liberalism Forever

Seeking to prove that a conspiracy of astronauts fabricated the shape of the Earth, a California man intends to launch himself 1,800 feet high on Saturday in a rocket he built from scrap metal.

Assuming the 500-mph, mile-long flight through the Mojave Desert does not kill him, Mike Hughes told the Associated Press, his journey into the atmosflat will mark the first phase of his ambitious flat-Earth space program.

“atmosflat” hehehe :-)

Hughes’s ultimate goal is a subsequent launch that puts him miles above the Earth, where the 61-year-old limousine driver hopes to photograph proof of the disc we all live on.

“It’ll shut the door on this ball earth,” Hughes said in a fundraising interview with a flat-Earth group for Saturday’s flight. Theories discussed during the interview included NASA being controlled by round-Earth Freemasons and Elon Musk making fake rockets from blimps.

and soros. don’t ever forget to blame soros!

Hughes promised the flat-Earth community that he would expose the conspiracy with his steam-powered rocket, which will launch from a heavily modified mobile home — though he acknowledged that he still had much to learn about rocket science.

washingtonpost.com

I fully support this effort. I urge all flat earthers and spaceflight deniers to undertake similar missions in homemade rockets.

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2017 • 11:22:59am

re: #298 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I fully support this effort. I urge all flat earthers and spaceflight deniers to undertake similar missions in homemade rockets.

And I urge each of them to take a wingnut politician with them, in the name of fact-finding.

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ObserverArt  Nov 23, 2017 • 11:23:21am

re: #257 dangerman

bourbon sugar and butter melted and combined in a saucepan

mother’s milk glaze for the finished apple cake

its a 9x13 cake
more than a cup of glaze
it’s gonna just be drenched!

Suggested alternative to recipe.

Drop the sugar, butter and cake.

Drink the bourbon.

Become glazed.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 23, 2017 • 11:27:02am

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PhillyPretzel  Nov 23, 2017 • 11:30:17am

re: #302 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Norman Rockwell must be spinning in his grave over that “shopped” illustration. It is still funny.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 23, 2017 • 11:31:09am

re: #235 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I don’t know. In some jurisdictions, couldn’t grabbing a woman’s ass without consent be sexual assault? I’m genuinely asking because I want to understand the technicalities involved.

You were right and I was mistaken. Under certain circumstances (vary by state) it would be a misdemeanor offense.

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dangerman  Nov 23, 2017 • 11:36:45am

re: #300 ObserverArt

Suggested alternative to recipe.

Drop the sugar, butter and cake.

Drink the bourbon.

Become glazed.

i have to consider the others in the room…

your recipe is my recipe

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austin_blue  Nov 23, 2017 • 11:38:17am

re: #261 lawhawk

The USCG doesn’t have F-35s or the budget to order more ships. Trump’s budget proposal cut the USCG budget by $1 billion or more, which is like a 10% cut.

Trump literally thinks these are invisible planes. He doesn’t have a clue what the Navy guys are talking about.

We cracked the Romulan Cloaking Device! MAGA!

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 23, 2017 • 11:41:06am

re: #296 makeitstop

We went to see them blow up the balloons for the Macy’s parade last night. Oy.

We exited the subway at the Museum of Natural History (78th Street and Central Park West), at which point we had to walk up to 82nd Street and head west to Columbus Avenue, and then walk south to 76th Street, and then east back to Central Park West for final approach - at which point a cop told us that from there it was another hour’s walking, at which point chances were good that they’d end the whole thing and tell everyone to go home.

And it was fucking cold. And windy.

So we bailed and caught an Uber to an Italian joint on Columbus and I had a Bolognese to die for, then across the street to a bar full of rude, drunken millenials doing bad karaoke for a beer and to watch the end of the Knicks game. And about halfway through the beer, the caravan of floats came up the street and swung around for assembly for the parade.

And after finishing our drinks, we walked back to the subway, where I finally got some balloon pics!

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Once upon a time (early ’70s), I used to live on 80th St. between Columbus and Amsterdam. Always used to walk over the night before, and watch them inflate the balloons when they were staged on 77th, between Columbus & CPW

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makeitstop  Nov 23, 2017 • 11:51:42am

re: #307 FormerDirtDart

Once upon a time (early ’70s), I used to live on 80th St. between Columbus and Amsterdam. Always used to walk over the night before, and watch them inflate the balloons when they were staged on 77th, between Columbus & CPW

Due to the attack on the West Side, crowd control was amped way up, which is why we had to walk all that way. It was fun, but also kind of a pain in the butt.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Nov 23, 2017 • 11:57:52am

re: #298 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I fully support this effort. I urge all flat earthers and spaceflight deniers to undertake similar missions in homemade rockets.

1800 feet up. Has this guy ever heard of jet planes?


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