Trump Is Now Claiming the Access Hollywood Tape Was a Fake

Gaslighting taken to a whole new level
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This New York Times article on Trump’s disgusting support for accused child molester Roy Moore contains a real jaw-dropper on another subject.

Because the grotesque narcissistic braggart in the White House is reportedly now trying to claim that the infamous Access Hollywood “grab ‘em by the pussy” tape is a fake.

As Mr. Moore has rejected calls to drop out even as more women have accused him of preying on them when they were teenagers, Republicans have given up any hope that he will fold his campaign. Mr. Trump has repeatedly told his aides that he does not believe Mr. Moore would ever quit.

What the president did not foresee was that the friction would reach inside his immediate family. He vented his annoyance when his daughter Ivanka castigated Mr. Moore by saying there was “a special place in hell for people who prey on children,” according to three staff members who heard his comments.

“Do you believe this?” Mr. Trump asked several aides in the Oval Office. Mr. Moore’s Democratic opponent in the Alabama race, Doug Jones, quickly turned her comments into a campaign ad.

But something deeper has been consuming Mr. Trump. He sees the calls for Mr. Moore to step aside as a version of the response to the now-famous “Access Hollywood” tape, in which he boasted about grabbing women’s genitalia, and the flood of groping accusations against him that followed soon after. He suggested to a senator earlier this year that it was not authentic, and repeated that claim to an adviser more recently. (In the hours after it was revealed in October 2016, Mr. Trump acknowledged that the voice was his, and he apologized.)

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369 comments

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 26, 2017 • 6:17:05pm

He lies about everything so why stop now?

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 26, 2017 • 6:17:06pm

Which chapter of 1984 are we in? Still chapter one?

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BigPapa  Nov 26, 2017 • 6:17:14pm

He can’t keep track of the lies. Extreme narcissism mixed with a bit of dementia or at least bad memory. I just hope he takes himself out with Mueller before he takes out the rest of us.

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2017 • 6:19:03pm

I want this to be Don Jr.’s theme song.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 26, 2017 • 6:19:27pm

Since Trump hasn’t tweeted this yet, he may be gaslighting his staff to see who is obsequious enough to say, “Of course, its obvious that wasn’t you, Mr. President!”

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2017 • 6:23:17pm

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2017 • 6:24:27pm

And now that latest lie is being repeated throughout the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine…

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Unabogie  Nov 26, 2017 • 6:31:29pm

Trump really needs to be asked about this. Aren’t there any reporters on that golf course?

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Charmingly Persistent  Nov 26, 2017 • 6:40:45pm

The Access Hollywood tape was fake!

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 26, 2017 • 6:42:35pm

re: #8 Unabogie

Trump really needs to be asked about this. Aren’t there any reporters on that golf course?

It will be interesting to see SHS dance around this tomorrow.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 26, 2017 • 6:47:21pm
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fern01  Nov 26, 2017 • 6:47:45pm

Be good to see Billy Bush ask for his job back based on this lying tape.

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2017 • 6:51:45pm

Thread.

The takeaway.

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BigPapa  Nov 26, 2017 • 6:53:51pm

A lizard posted this earlier today on billmoyers.com. I’ve lost at least 2 hours in it. Laying things out on a timeline really paint an incriminating picture.

Interactive Timeline: Everything We Know About Russia and President Trump

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nines09  Nov 26, 2017 • 6:54:01pm

Always liked this.
Mr. Earl and I think The Dukes, lyrics by Bruce Springsteen.

nite

Earle Mr State Trooper

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nowherenorth2  Nov 26, 2017 • 6:55:48pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

Call a Nazi what they are: a Nazi.

That nyt article was a huge piece of fluff, and not worthy to be called journalism

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:08:33pm

Good news! If Trump wipes us out, Tardigrades will survive to rebuild civilization when they evolve intelligence 100 million years from now!

vox.com

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BigPapa  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:09:15pm

re: #17 Big Beautiful Door

Cool. I was worried for a bit.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:13:13pm

Weird random sighting (wish I had a picture): driving through Lincoln, MA on (I think) highway 2, there was a well-dressed guy walking on the side of the road holding a sign with a small American flag attached that read: Donald Trump was elected President fair and square.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:18:01pm

Well, I see they’re going to play Musical Chairs at the CFPM Monday Morning. Cordray’s appointed successor is going to sue Dolt 45.

Lawyers for Leandra English, whom Cordray named the effective acting director when he resigned on Friday, filed the lawsuit in the US District Court for the District of Columbia seeking to halt the appointment of Mulvaney, who serves as head of the Office of Management and Budget and is also named in the lawsuit.

cnn.com

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stpaulbear  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:18:24pm

re: #19 Barefoot Grin

Weird random sighting (wish I had a picture): driving through Lincoln, MA on (I think) highway 2, there was a well-dressed guy walking on the side of the road holding a sign with a small American flag attached that read: Donald Trump was elected President fair and square.

Not the least bit defensive, is he?
/

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:20:50pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:23:40pm

re: #20 Joe Bacon 🌹

Once again, trump appoints a RW hack who has said his goal is to destroy organization he’s supposed to lead. There’s just too much consumer protection going on out there. How are the poor crooks and theives like the trumps supposed to make a dishonest living?

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:25:19pm
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Belafon  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:28:09pm

I’m looking at getting a 3D printer for Christmas. I’m going to go with this one, a Maker Select 3D Printer v2, plus a mod to stabilize the Z axis.

While I was looking at stuff, I found this robotic arm that can be used for doing a number of tasks, 3D printing, soldering, laser etching, assembly line work. Out of my price and need range, but if you were starting a business building products, a few of these would be great.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:30:51pm

re: #4 teleskiguy

My wife suggests, “I fought the law and the law won.”

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Amory Blaine  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:33:04pm

re: #25 Belafon

I saw on Slickdeals Monoprice has a refurb for $135

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:34:32pm

Found out OK Go has a new video out with very creative use of printers.

OK Go - Obsession - Official Video

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stpaulbear  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:38:20pm

re: #28 Romantic Heretic

How does Greenpeace get donations for recycled used printing paper?

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Amory Blaine  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:39:06pm

Time Inc Sold to Meredith Corp in Deal Bankrolled by Koch Brothers

In a $1.84 billion deal, Meredith Corp is reportedly buying Time Inc in a cash agreement bankrolled by the famous — or, to some, infamous — conservative billionaires Koch brothers.

Charles Koch and David Koch are making the move to obtain the publisher of popular magazines Sports Illustrated, Fortune, and Time after Meredith failed to obtain the multinational mass media corporation in 2013, reports Reuters.

The magazines currently published by Meredith are highly profitable and include niche publications such as Better Homes and Gardens, Every Day with Rachael Ray, and Traditional Home. However, acquiring Time Inc with the help of the Koch brothers will give their media group access to a total readership of over 130 million and a subscription circulation of close to 60 million, per Reuters.

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:40:05pm

re: #29 stpaulbear

Don’t know. Maybe we should mail them and ask?

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:42:28pm

Hypocrisy is a prerequisite for nazism conservatism.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:49:31pm

I don’t know why this is hard. Nancy Pelosi should’ve called on John Conyers to resign on Meet the Press today. At least he has stepped down as ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee.

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coin operated  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:51:22pm

re: #33 Big Beautiful Door

I don’t know why this is hard. Nancy Pelosi should’ve called on John Conyers to resign on Meet the Press today. At least he has stepped down as ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee.

You don’t? No…really?

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Stanley Sea  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:52:05pm
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jaunte  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:52:23pm

Billy Bush had better watch his back.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:53:22pm
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The Major  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:54:04pm

re: #9 Charmingly Persistent
I have one much better: Senator Vreenak from ST:DS9:

It’s a faaaaaake

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:54:14pm

re: #34 coin operated

You don’t? No…really?

The guy has been accused by multiple staffers.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:56:53pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:57:27pm
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coin operated  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:57:45pm

re: #39 Big Beautiful Door

The guy has been accused by multiple staffers.

I give significantly more credence to those who ask for these accusations to be investigated than those who outright deny them. Or better yet…threaten the accusers with legal action.

When Trump resigns, Conyers can. Not a moment before.

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The Major  Nov 26, 2017 • 7:59:00pm

re: #41 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Belafon  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:00:57pm

re: #41 Joe Bacon 🌹

The first? The most recent firsts were the CRA and VRA. Whites have freaked out and been partisan ever since.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:01:18pm

re: #42 coin operated

I give significantly more credence to those who ask for these accusations to be investigated than those who outright deny them. Or better yet…threaten the accusers with legal action.

When Trump resigns, Conyers can. Not a moment before.

Sorry, no. The Democrats can’t make a man with no moral standards their moral standard. Then what is the difference between Democrats and Republicans?

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:04:07pm
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coin operated  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:05:55pm

re: #45 Big Beautiful Door

Sorry, no. The Democrats can’t make a man with no moral standards their moral standard. Then what is the difference between Democrats and Republicans?

Shirley Sherrod would like to have a word with you. Wingers will happily move the goalposts to accommodate your purity pledge

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Skip Intro  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:06:25pm

re: #44 Belafon

The first? The most recent firsts were the CRA and VRA. Whites have freaked out and been partisan ever since.

Chuck is a little behind the curve here. Has he been in a coma the last year or so?

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:07:32pm
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BigPapa  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:08:19pm

You people and your pineapple pizza have brought it to this. Are you happy now?

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:09:51pm
“We believe Judge Moore. We don’t believe these women. It’s just that simple. And y’all can keep trotting them out if you want to, but we’re not going to talk about that.”

I think I see the difference between Republicans and Democrats.

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coin operated  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:09:52pm

re: #50 BigPapa

You people and your pineapple pizza have brought it to this. Are you happy now?

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Send it my way. I like fruitcake at Christmas…this would probably be right up my alley during turkey day celebrations

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:11:44pm

re: #47 coin operated

Shirley Sherrod would like to have a word with you. Wingers will happily move the goalposts to accommodate your purity pledge

Its bad politics for the Democrats to stand by men who have been credibly charged with sexual harassment, period.

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coin operated  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:14:55pm

re: #53 Big Beautiful Door

Its bad politics for the Democrats to stand by men who have been credibly charged with sexual harassment, period.

Democrats do nuance…wingers don’t. You sound like a winger. As for credible…what makes them credible? I see a lot of rat fornication going on with Conyers and Franken.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:17:22pm

re: #53 Big Beautiful Door

Its bad politics for the Democrats to stand by men who have been credibly charged with sexual harassment, period.

The same Republicans that raise hell about Franken and Conyers will look the other way about Barton and they will gladly welcome Moore!

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LastYearsMan  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:17:52pm

Trump pulling shit like possibly denying the grab-them-by-the-pussy tape is one reason I compared him to Tony Soprano, season 6 (albeit a very very stupid Tony). Near the end of the series, while in therapy with Melfi, Tony denies the whole key storyline from season 1. Never happened. “My mother tried to kill me? What are you talking about?”

That constant revising of history is a key trait of malignant narcissism.

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Skip Intro  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:18:00pm

re: #54 coin operated

Democrats do nuance…wingers don’t. You sound like a winger.

We try to not do that here. This isn’t Free Republic.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:18:38pm

re: #54 coin operated

Democrats do nuance…wingers don’t. You sound like a winger.

Perhaps you can explain the nuance to standing by a man credibly charged with sexual harassment? The charges against Conyers aren’t some trumped up rightwing crap like UraniumOne or Pizzagate.

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coin operated  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:19:41pm

re: #58 Big Beautiful Door

Perhaps you can explain the nuance to standing by a man credibly charged with sexual harassment? The charges against Conyers aren’t some trumped up rightwing crap like UraniumOne or Pizzagate.

And I asked you to explain ‘credible’.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:21:10pm
Rep. John Conyers, D-Michigan, has stepped down as ranking member of House Judiciary Committee amid a congressional investigation into sexual harassment and workplace abuse allegations by his former staffers.

As a result of the allegations, Conyers faces a House Ethics Committee probe.
cnn.com

I don’t see the “standing by” Conyers, as compared to the Republican reaction to Moore, who is not stepping down and not even taking questions.

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Belafon  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:21:23pm

re: #49 jaunte

Anyone want to guess on the percentage of white women vote for him?

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coin operated  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:21:29pm

re: #57 Skip Intro

We try to not do that here. This isn’t Free Republic.

LOL…I’ve been here a while. We definitely *do*

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:22:20pm

“Zero tolerance means consequences,” Pelosi said. “I have asked for an ethics investigation, and as that investigation continues, Congressman Conyers has agreed to step aside as Ranking Member.”

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LastYearsMan  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:23:34pm

re: #63 jaunte

“Zero tolerance means consequences,” Pelosi said.

Pelosi said … eventually.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:24:19pm

re: #64 LastYearsMan

Again, if we’re comparing R and D reactions, compare hers to Trump’s.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:24:41pm

re: #59 coin operated

And I asked you to explain ‘credible’.

When you have accusations confirmed by multiple sources which resulted in payment of a settlement, that’s credible.

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Bass Reeves  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:24:41pm

re: #53 Big Beautiful Door

I kind of agree with you. But I won’t accept an immediate resignation that will just allow an even easier push to destroy the entire social safety net + the environment + civil rights. I’m going to need some public restitution, some counseling, and a pledge not to run for re-election, which then allows the district to get someone actually ready to take over the seat.

Your way really does hand Repubs the entire game. And I can’t even say I don’t understand the sentiment, just think the proposed solution is the absolute worst way to handle it.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:25:23pm

Remember that Republicans are eager to have the power to push through policies that will actually kill women.

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allegro  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:26:17pm

re: #68 jaunte

Remember that Republicans are eager to have the power to push through policies that will actually kill women.

!!!!!!!

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Skip Intro  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:26:48pm

re: #61 Belafon

Anyone want to guess on the percentage of white women vote for him?

80%.

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Skip Intro  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:29:10pm

re: #68 jaunte

Remember that Republicans are eager to have the power to push through policies that will actually kill women.

They already have it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:32:38pm

re: #67 Bass Reeves

I kind of agree with you. But I won’t accept an immediate resignation that will just allow an even easier push to destroy the entire social safety net + the environment + civil rights. I’m going to need some public restitution, some counseling, and a pledge not to run for re-election, which then allows the district to get someone actually ready to take over the seat.

Your way really does hand Repubs the entire game. And I can’t even say I don’t understand the sentiment, just think the proposed solution is the absolute worst way to handle it.

One vote in the House isn’t going to open the floodgates; the GOP already has a House majority. And Conyers is in a safe Democratic seat; he will be replaced by a Democrat. And I would really like to believe that the House is not full of Democrats who have engaged in serial sexual harassment.

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makeitstop  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:33:37pm

Off to bed. When next you see me here, I’ll be posting from Gulfport Mississippi. And if all goes well, I’ll be meeting up with a Lizard who lives down that way.

Once I, my guitars, clothes and laptop are all safely ensconced in my hotel room, I’ll bark at you then. Time for some shuteye, got an early flight. ‘Night, all.

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allegro  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:38:01pm

Coming here anymore so often reminds me of the SyFy series Warehouse 13. Very special agents traveled about and collected magical artifacts to safely store them and keep them in control. Highly recommended series. So much fun.

So anyway one of the more memorable artifacts was Sylvia Plath’s typewriter. If you got too close to it, it sucked out your will to live.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:38:51pm
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jaunte  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:39:49pm

re: #74 allegro

I try to get outside a lot and look at nature, too.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:40:26pm

re: #38 The Major

I have one much better: Senator Vreenak from ST:DS9:

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Sidenote: That was probably the most kickass episode of the whole series. Andrew J Robinson was spectacular.

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Bass Reeves  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:43:36pm

re: #72 Big Beautiful Door

One vote in the House isn’t going to open the floodgates; the GOP already has a House majority. And Conyers is in a safe Democratic seat; he will be replaced by a Democrat. And I would really like to believe that the House is not full of Democrats who have engaged in serial sexual harassment.

Well, no…Conyers doesn’t exist in a vacuum, and he’s not the first person you have expressed a desire to immediately resign. I don’t believe there are more Democrats who have engaged in serial sexual harassment than there are Republicans, but I believe if only the Democrats resign and are replaced by a bunch of n00b congresscritters, that it will pretty much wreck us in 2018.

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The Major  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:45:50pm

re: #49 jaunte

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The Major  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:48:40pm

re: #77 Eclectic Cyborg

The episode was called “In the Pale Moonlight

“In the Pale Moonlight” is the 143rd episode of the American science fiction television series Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, the 19th of the sixth season. It originally aired on April 15, 1998, in broadcast syndication.
The title comes from a saying that “in the pale moonlight” is where one dances with the devil.
In this episode, Captain Benjamin Sisko (Avery Brooks) works with Elim Garak (Andrew Robinson) to trick the Romulans into joining the war against the Dominion.

Also from the Wikipedia article - Andrew Robinson talks about the episode:

In an interview in 2011, when talking about “In the Pale Moonlight”, Robinson compared Starfleet to Americans in general. He said “we’re not really willing to take the consequences of our actions, and sometimes we have to do very dirty things, and we have to hurt people, and we pretend that that doesn’t exist, that Americans would never do that. We dealt with issues like that and I don’t think… you know… the other shows really went as far as we did.”[7]

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The Major  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:50:40pm

Time for The Major to pack it in and call it a day - anew battle waits tomorrow.

Scaly Dreams, all…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:51:11pm

re: #80 The Major

Oh I know. It’s one of my all time favourite Trek episodes.

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The Major  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:53:02pm

re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg

I just added Andre Robertson’s commentary:

In an interview in 2011, when talking about “In the Pale Moonlight”, Robinson compared Starfleet to Americans in general. He said “we’re not really willing to take the consequences of our actions, and sometimes we have to do very dirty things, and we have to hurt people, and we pretend that that doesn’t exist, that Americans would never do that. We dealt with issues like that and I don’t think… you know… the other shows really went as far as we did.”[7]

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Belafon  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:53:28pm

It’s such a shame that payday lenders can’t completely fuck over their clients, or that insurance companies can’t write cryptic contracts anymore.

// Just in case

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:55:22pm

re: #78 Bass Reeves

Well, no…Conyers doesn’t exist in a vacuum, and he’s not the first person you have expressed a desire to immediately resign. I don’t believe there are more Democrats who have engaged in serial sexual harassment than there are Republicans, but I believe if only the Democrats resign and are replaced by a bunch of n00b congresscritters, that it will pretty much wreck us in 2018.

The Democrats won’t be wrecked if Franken and Conyers are replaced by n00b Democrats. I think Democrats could be wrecked if they let Donald Trump set their moral standards. This mindset that women are disposable but serial sexual harassers aren’t is a big reason why the US has such a terrible sexual harassment problem.

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:56:38pm

re: #84 Belafon

It’s such a shame that payday lenders can’t completely fuck over their clients, or that insurance companies can’t write cryptic contracts anymore.

// Just in case

Monty Python - Motor Insurance sketch

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retired cynic  Nov 26, 2017 • 8:59:43pm

teleskiguy, here’s a neat article with short video about a guy who makes his living painting those big ski slope maps:

atlasobscura.com

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Bass Reeves  Nov 26, 2017 • 9:00:06pm

re: #85 Big Beautiful Door

The Democrats won’t be wrecked if Franken and Conyers are replaced by n00b Democrats. I think Democrats could be wrecked if they let Donald Trump set their moral standards. This mindset that women are disposable but serial sexual harassers aren’t is a big reason why the US has such a terrible sexual harassment problem.

I didn’t say anything about Trump.

re: #67 Bass Reeves

I kind of agree with you. But I won’t accept an immediate resignation that will just allow an even easier push to destroy the entire social safety net + the environment + civil rights. I’m going to need some public restitution, some counseling, and a pledge not to run for re-election, which then allows the district to get someone actually ready to take over the seat.

They should go. They should not go before they have their investigation (Franken) and a chance to make public restitution (both).

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2017 • 9:02:32pm

re: #87 retired cynic

James Niehues! I knew the name before I even clicked the link. I used to plaster my walls with his trail maps.

Sadly, more and more ski areas are abandoning his paintings and using computers to render trail maps instead.

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petesh  Nov 26, 2017 • 9:04:50pm

re: #72 Big Beautiful Door

… I would really like to believe that the House is not full of Democrats who have engaged in serial sexual harassment.

I’d like to believe that too, but I don’t. Look at the demographic: Mostly white guys who partied in the 70s–90s. As that changes, and it needs to, then change will happen. But right now, I think that there are a whole bunch of people, both D and R, who could be credibly accused. We need a process to handle them, and there is one: the Ethics Committee. As to Pelosi’s delay, I strongly suspect she had not yet convinced him not to fight back, and wanted to make sure it was voluntary on the surface. It’s not, of course, but I think Pelosi is being smart (as usual). She’s drawing on a very long line of credit earned on progressive issues, especially those that affect women’s control; I suggest cutting her some slack, at least for now.

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jaunte  Nov 26, 2017 • 9:16:30pm
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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2017 • 9:25:06pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 26, 2017 • 9:29:42pm

God he’s pathetic.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 26, 2017 • 9:31:23pm

re: #91 jaunte

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Expect Senator Grasshole to send Jared a Sternly Worded Letter on Tuesday…

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 26, 2017 • 10:40:22pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 26, 2017 • 10:46:01pm

So Time Magazine will now join Fox as being the home of true Fake news. What a nightmare — Koch Bros owning Time. Does not bode well for the future of this country.

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2017 • 10:58:41pm

Some people have *way* too much time on their hands.

MASSIVE Chain Reaction goes UP the Stairs! ft. berlagawesome

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Amory Blaine  Nov 26, 2017 • 11:12:26pm

Video from the Wendelstein 7X stellarator.

Wendelstein 7-X plasma video

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teleskiguy  Nov 26, 2017 • 11:49:07pm

Here’s a good list of people to keep an eye on now that an outright white supremacist is sitting in the Oval Office.

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teleskiguy  Nov 27, 2017 • 12:05:28am
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teleskiguy  Nov 27, 2017 • 12:24:11am
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Amory Blaine  Nov 27, 2017 • 12:40:34am

re: #101 teleskiguy

Even if it’s only temporary (Rubin, Wilson, etc.), it gives me a little comfort that some conservatives see the same shit we’re seeing.

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teleskiguy  Nov 27, 2017 • 12:49:44am

re: #102 Amory Blaine

I shared this piece by Wilson because at the end of the day it’s just good clever writing.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 27, 2017 • 12:55:48am

Tufts postpones Scaramucci event after he threatens to sue student, paper

Tufts University postponed a Monday event featuring Anthony Scaramucci, a former Trump White House spokesman, after he threatened to sue a student and the school newspaper for defamation following the publication of an op-ed column criticizing him.

Scaramucci, a Tufts graduate, has served on an advisory board at Tufts’ Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy since 2016.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 27, 2017 • 12:58:04am

re: #101 teleskiguy

Heh

The Virgin Matt Boyle, a stout little gargoyle usually perched on Steve Bannon’s scrofulous shoulder, was deployed to Alabama briefly, but ended up confirming The Washington Post’s reporting. Infowars and the Gateway Pundit’s Jim Hoft—rightly called the Stupidest Man On The Internet—have been full throttle in trying to turn Moore’s mess into a Deep State conspiracy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2017 • 1:25:04am

re: #51 jaunte

I think I see the difference between Republicans and Democrats.

Except that the GOP gets away with it while among Democrats it is seen as a sign of corruption and weakness…

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wheat-dogg  Nov 27, 2017 • 1:33:03am

Extra-white people food. Prepare to be revolted.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 27, 2017 • 1:46:44am

Extra-deluded mostly white people dreams

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Dave In Austin  Nov 27, 2017 • 1:47:49am

re: #107 wheat-dogg

Extra-white people food. Prepare to be revolted.

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Gack!! I about went out of the chair when the hot dog crust (#HotDogCrust) went on.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 27, 2017 • 1:55:10am

re: #109 Dave In Austin

Gack!! I about went out of the chair when the hot dog crust (#HotDogCrust) went on.

Yeah, the pickle+fruit+mayo concoction was bad enough, but the franks made it exponentially worse.

Who would eat that shit?

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teleskiguy  Nov 27, 2017 • 2:05:19am

Would you eat this shit? Fuck, I know I would.

Breakfast of Booze - Epic Meal Time

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Dave In Austin  Nov 27, 2017 • 2:05:59am

re: #110 wheat-dogg

Extra White People.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 27, 2017 • 2:19:39am

re: #111 teleskiguy

Would you eat this shit? Fuck, I know I would.

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I’d probably have cardiac arrest after eating any of it.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 27, 2017 • 2:35:42am

Traces of Texas is one of my favorite FB pages.

Facebook Post

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LastYearsMan  Nov 27, 2017 • 2:49:22am

re: #96 Hecuba’s daughter

So Time Magazine will now join Fox as being the home of true Fake news. What a nightmare — Koch Bros owning Time. Does not bode well for the future of this country.

Well, maybe Time will finally start covering the arts a bit. For all the Koches’ assholery, at least they do put money into the arts. It will be nice having some decent statuary for the zombie apocalypse. Or a good string quartet for when the ship of state sinks below the icy waves.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 27, 2017 • 2:58:01am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2017 • 2:59:47am

re: #116 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Exactly. There is no point arguing with a true DT supporter: anything negative you can say about DT is seen as a feature, not a bug.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 27, 2017 • 3:09:14am

Gah. LGF is still blocked on the hotel wifi. Who knows why? I’m at my daughter’s using her wifi.

It’s better than staying in the hotel room anyway.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 27, 2017 • 4:20:55am
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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 27, 2017 • 4:24:24am

I actually manage to snag the $250 55” 4K smart TV in Target at 6 pm because I asked if they had any. I didn’t even need it. I would like to find a Mohu Leaf antenna today on sale, not having any luck.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 27, 2017 • 4:45:46am

re: #107 wheat-dogg

I would totally eat that, but substitute the hot dogs (who the f*ck wants to eat raw dogs?!) with pineapple slices.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 27, 2017 • 5:10:34am

re: #107 wheat-dogg

Extra-white people food. Prepare to be revolted.

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This looks like something my aunt could concoct for a Baptist church pot-luck supper. Her entire culinary repertoire seemed to come out of 1950s home making magazines, where food companies seemed to be in some kind of contest to develop the weirdest ways to make use of their particular product. Jello was especially big in this sub-culture. There were recipes that combined Jello with tuna and even vegetables in all kinds of diabolically ingenious creations. They even had a fish shaped jello mold for this. The same aunt was also big on condensed mushroom soup, not as actual soup, but as the semi-liquid medium for various mixtures of tuna, pasta, and other ingredients. I protested that mushrooms were related to athlete’s foot, both being fungi, but these complaints fell on deaf ears. 17 Horrifyingly Disgusting Retro Gelatin Recipes

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 27, 2017 • 5:17:43am

re: #122 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Luckily I grew out of my tactile mastication issues. Damn, that list gave me flashbacks of Thanksgiving at the relatives, and now I am hungry.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2017 • 5:44:03am

re: #108 wheat-dogg

Extra-deluded mostly white people dreams

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Gahh!! Even if I ever liked Bernie — which I didn’t — he is too old for 2020. And the 2 women next to him would be a disaster on the national ticket. BoldDemocrats recently sent me a survey on issues with the hidden agenda of how much I would support Bernie next time. I did agree with him on most issues, but repeatedly checked no way for 2020 and they didn’t get a dime from me to support their organization.

We need younger blood for the next campaign and there are plenty of good Democrats for 2020, assuming Trump hasn’t manufactured a crisis and declared himself dictator for life.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 27, 2017 • 5:45:17am

re: #122 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

This looks like something my aunt could concoct for a Baptist church pot-luck supper. Her entire culinary repertoire seemed to come out of 1950s home making magazines, where food companies seemed to be in some kind of contest to develop the weirdest ways to make use of their particular product. Jello was especially big in this sub-culture. There were recipes that combined Jello with tuna and even vegetables in all kinds of diabolically ingenious creations. They even had a fish shaped jello mold for this. The same aunt was also big on condensed mushroom soup, not as actual soup, but as the semi-liquid medium for various mixtures of tuna, pasta, and other ingredients. I protested that mushrooms were related to athlete’s foot, both being fungi, but these complaints fell on deaf ears. 17 Horrifyingly Disgusting Retro Gelatin Recipes

Somehow I managed to avoid all those Jello disasters as a kid, because my mom and aunts never got into those weird-ass recipes. As we were not a church-going family, I was also spared Sunday pot lucks.

Dodged several bullets there.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2017 • 5:58:26am

re: #108 wheat-dogg

Extra-deluded mostly white people dreams

the DNC wants to win the 2020 Election, they will nominate…

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Don’t we get to vote?

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jeffreyw  Nov 27, 2017 • 6:04:35am

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Good morning!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 27, 2017 • 6:07:22am

re: #110 wheat-dogg

Yeah, the pickle+fruit+mayo concoction was bad enough, but the franks made it exponentially worse.

Who would eat that shit?

Potatoes, you forgot to mention the potatoes. The commentator thought that the first ingredient was pear, it was potato. That was a potato salad. That was food murder.

I can hear the wails of anguish coming from Pennsylvania and Ohio.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2017 • 6:17:17am

re: #108 wheat-dogg

Extra-deluded mostly white people dreams

I’m going to make this simple: I will not vote for anyone who has not released their last 14 years tax returns so that I can judge what they are financially involved in.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 27, 2017 • 6:19:03am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Not sure why Trumpy would want to re-litigate this but, then again, there’s not much about him that I pretend to understand.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 27, 2017 • 6:21:42am

Hmmm. What do you folks think of this reply?
Readers Accuse Us of Normalizing a Nazi Sympathizer; We Respond

Our reporter and his editors agonized over the tone and content of the article. The point of the story was not to normalize anything but to describe the degree to which hate and extremism have become far more normal in American life than many of us want to think.

We described Mr. Hovater as a bigot, a Nazi sympathizer who posted images on Facebook of a Nazi-like America full of happy white people and swastikas everywhere.

We understand that some readers wanted more pushback, and we hear that loud and clear.

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lawhawk  Nov 27, 2017 • 6:22:27am

re: #130 Sir John Barron

Delegitimize further scrutiny against him and his family.

Claim that anything the media releases, including stuff where he’s on tape, is bogus, edited, or otherwise suspect, which is enough to give his base reason to believe anything he says is accurate.

That’s why he’s doing it.

He’s setting the stage for more bad conduct - and when the media calls him out using his own words, he’s going to claim it’s a lie (it isn’t, but his supporters don’t care).

It’s why his supporters think all the Russia-Trump stuff is deep state bullshit, and not a real scandal. They think that entrenched bureaucracy at State or other federal agencies are only interested in protecting themselves, not the nation, and that Trump’s doing what needs to be done.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 27, 2017 • 6:30:33am

re: #131 Unshaken Defiance

Hmmm. What say you guys?
Readers Accuse Us of Normalizing a Nazi Sympathizer; We Respond

Those presstitutes “agonized” because they wanted to make it even more of a puff piece. Then they turned their attention to the #1 obsession at the Screw York Times—bashing Hillary…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 27, 2017 • 6:40:11am

OTA TiVo with lifetime subscription for $200

slickdeals.net

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Citizen K  Nov 27, 2017 • 6:44:54am
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MsJ  Nov 27, 2017 • 6:50:40am

re: #41 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 27, 2017 • 6:51:16am

re: #135 Citizen K

The Screw York Times has a long history of coddling Nazis and writing puff pieces about them that gladdened the heart of such sympathizers as Henry Ford, Prescott Bush, Charles Lindbergh and Frank Fay among others…

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2017 • 6:51:58am

re: #45 Big Beautiful Door

Sorry, no. The Democrats can’t make a man with no moral standards their moral standard. Then what is the difference between Democrats and Republicans?

When we live by different rules, we will die by different rules, and by dying I mean literally fucking dying when this regime goes full Kill All Enemies.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 27, 2017 • 6:54:17am
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dangerman  Nov 27, 2017 • 6:56:50am

re: #139 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Crumb my ass

Our taxes are going up

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 27, 2017 • 6:59:29am

re: #140 dangerman

Crumb my ass

Our taxes are going up

Not only will our taxes go up so will expenses when the RepubliKKKlans cut Social Security and Medicare.

Meanwhile, Phony Joni Ernst tells everyone to have faith in de Lawd and if we need help, go to a church and beg for assistance.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:00:48am

Friends, Lizards, Footballers. Welcome to the interim monday after the all american pig out.

I once heard some stand up comedian: “all year you look forward to going home for thanksgiving then 30 minutes after arriving you remember why you live 3000 miles away” Aside from the excuse to get everyone together, i really could do without the whitewashed mythos and feigned seasonality of the whole thing. Nevertheless.

I think maybe i just learned a thing or two over thanksgiving. Probably over obvious. And i’d guess you’ve known it all along and are gonna say “what’s with this guy, its so obvious”. And it’s this:

Just like so many other things, the world is not like me and my little corner of it.

Everyone doesn’t have a good family that gets along. Avoids or doesnt talk politics. All like each other, enjoy each other’s company, and want to be together…..

And have the wherewithal to travel and meet up. Buy and cook heaps of food we choose, like, and are willing to experiment with…

This is not all privilege. Some is. Most is years of hard work, planning, saving, preparing by all of the danger clan. Some is dumb luck. So I’m able. We’re able. *And* we get along.

Everyone’s situation is different, as i’ve read aloud and between the lines here over the last few days. ( {teleskiguy} )

By circumstance of location, income, family situation, age, whatever, people have been together, or alone, had feasts or snacks, or nothing “traditional” at all. Some of you are (gasp) not even celebrants because its not your holiday. the world is not the u.s.

So i am reminded yet again, the lgf world, like the big world is not monolithic. It is not all like me and mine.

That makes both worlds great. And that’s just fine.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:05:07am

re: #135 Citizen K

Fucking savages.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:07:49am

re: #124 Hecuba’s daughter

Gahh!! Even if I ever liked Bernie — which I didn’t — he is too old for 2020. And the 2 women next to him would be a disaster on the national ticket. BoldDemocrats recently sent me a survey on issues with the hidden agenda of how much I would support Bernie next time. I did agree with him on most issues, but repeatedly checked no way for 2020 and they didn’t get a dime from me to support their organization.

We need younger blood for the next campaign and there are plenty of good Democrats for 2020, assuming Trump hasn’t manufactured a crisis and declared himself dictator for life.

I would like the Democrats to nominate someone closer to 60 than 70 or 80, and not just to keep Bernie out; I think Biden would be too old as well. And I would really prefer a woman or a minority.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:10:08am

gahhh…he is so pathetic.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:10:09am

Meghan’s mother is black. Racists will go utterly apeshit. Maybe they will kill themselves in protest. Could we be that lucky?

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Citizen K  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:10:59am

re: #135 Citizen K

Also, as a reminder:

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:13:36am

re: #144 Big Beautiful Door

I would like the Democrats to nominate someone closer to 60 than 70 or 80, and not just to keep Bernie out; I think Biden would be too old as well. And I would really prefer a woman or a minority.

I would like the democrats to nominate a democrat

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lawhawk  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:20:58am
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Decatur Deb  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:21:40am

re: #148 dangerman

I would like the democrats to nominate a democrat

I would like the Democrats to nominate someone who is competent, brilliant, decent, experienced, charismatic, and electable.

Fat chance.

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:23:21am

re: #144 Big Beautiful Door

I would like the Democrats to nominate someone closer to 60 than 70 or 80, and not just to keep Bernie out; I think Biden would be too old as well. And I would really prefer a woman or a minority.

Steven Chapman of the Chicago Tribune made that very point — he said that Biden is too old :

At some point, people who have long seen a president in the mirror need to acknowledge their time has passed and make way for younger candidates. Neither the Democratic nor the Republican Party has any shortage of talented and ambitious officeholders. In 2020, voters should have a choice of two of them.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:25:45am

re: #138 MsJ

When we live by different rules, we will die by different rules, and by dying I mean literally fucking dying when this regime goes full Kill All Enemies.

As Jeff Flake said, the GOP is toast if its the party of Roy Moore and Donald Trump, unless the Democrats are also the party of sexual predators. Al Franken and especially John Conyers, who remember is 88 years old, are not irreplaceable.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:25:48am

re: #151 Hecuba’s daughter

Steven Chapman of the Chicago Tribune made that very point — he said that Biden is too old :

Franken wasn’t. My default, Warren, is older.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:29:29am

re: #152 Big Beautiful Door

As Jeff Flake said, the GOP is toast if its the party of Roy Moore and Donald Trump, unless the Democrats are also the party of sexual predators. Al Franken and especially John Conyers, who remember is 88 years old, are not irreplaceable.

Bill Clinton and JFK could not pass your standard. Jimmy Carter and Richard Nixon could.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:31:49am

re: #152 Big Beautiful Door

As Jeff Flake said, the GOP is toast if its the party of Roy Moore and Donald Trump, unless the Democrats are also the party of sexual predators. Al Franken and especially John Conyers, who remember is 88 years old, are not irreplaceable.

Flake wasn’t telling the Democrats how to win, though. He was telling Republicans how to keep Democrats from winning. We’re the party of sexual predators because Bill Clinton and Franken have admitted to it. Republicans aren’t because Roy Moore won’t admit to it and Trump is now claiming he didn’t.

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Interesting Times  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:31:57am

re: #152 Big Beautiful Door

As Jeff Flake said, the GOP is toast if its the party of Roy Moore and Donald Trump

If we’ve learned anything at all since the 2016 election, the rumors of the GOP’s demise are much exaggerated. Their debased base and greedy, sociopathic donors are perfectly happy with rapist candidates as long as they a) make libtards cry b) are a reliable vote for 1% tax cuts.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:33:32am

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Bill Clinton and JFK could not pass your standard. Jimmy Carter and Richard Nixon could.

If JFK were running today, the press wouldn’t keep his secrets for him. Bill Clinton’s affairs likely gave us eight years of George W Bush. Surely today we can find people to nominate for office (like women!) who aren’t sexual predators.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:33:48am

Boy accidentally locks self in gun safe at mall store

8 years old. Took 30 minutes for locksmiths and the Fire Department to get the little guy out. Ruined the safe in the process. Since it was new, the combination and other paperwork were probably inside with the kid. Even so, most new safes have a default combination of either 25-50-25 or 50-25-50 so sales people can always open them. The customer then resets it at home after purchase. Apparently not the case this time.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:35:13am

re: #157 Big Beautiful Door

If JFK were running today, the press wouldn’t keep his secrets for him. Bill Clinton’s affairs likely gave us eight years of George W Bush. Surely today we can find people to nominate for office (like women!) who aren’t sexual predators.

Lord knows I tried, and we got Trump. You get one Obama in a lifetime, if you’re lucky.

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lawhawk  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:37:16am

There’s a plot line from a Tom Clancy novel in there.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:37:31am

re: #156 Interesting Times

If we’ve learned anything at all since the 2016 election, the rumors of the GOP’s demise are much exaggerated. Their debased base and greedy, sociopathic donors are perfectly happy with rapist candidates as long as they a) make libtards cry b) are a reliable vote for 1% tax cuts.

Yes, but their base isn’t enough to win elections. That is why Roy Moore is trailing in a race that no normal Republican could possibly lose. Why should Democrats throw away the votes of suburban women by adopting the moral standards of Donald Trump for our candidates?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:39:36am

re: #161 Big Beautiful Door

Yes, but their base isn’t enough to win elections. That is why Roy Moore is trailing in a race that no normal Republican could possibly lose. Why should Democrats throw away the votes of suburban women by adopting the moral standards of Donald Trump for our candidates?

Roy Moore is not behind. I would bet $5 on Jones, not $100.

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Interesting Times  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:41:16am

re: #161 Big Beautiful Door

Yes, but their base isn’t enough to win elections. That is why Roy Moore is trailing in a race that no normal Republican could possibly lose

Nope:

The exclusive poll of 3,000 likely Alabama voters finds if the election were held today, Moore would receive 47% of the vote to Democrat Doug Jones with 45%.

That tells you all you need to know about red state voters.*

*Not including those subject to ratfucking and suppression.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:42:55am

If virginity is the acid test, our next President is my nun.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:43:37am

re: #163 Interesting Times

Yep, we should clean our own house, but it won’t matter one bit to those who want to return to the good old days of tormenting blacks.

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Interesting Times  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:44:25am

re: #162 Decatur Deb

Roy Moore is not behind. I would bet $5 on Jones, not $100.

Too harsh?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:45:12am

‘I thought I was going to die’: Shoppers in terror as off-duty officer kills armed man at Lenexa Costco

A man who brandished a gun inside a busy Costco Wholesale store Sunday in Lenexa was shot and killed by an off-duty police officer who was there shopping, according to Lenexa police.

Police responded shortly after 11 a.m. to the store near 95th Street and Interstate 35. When officers arrived, they found that the shooting was over. An off-duty officer who happened to be in the store shopping had fatally shot the armed man, said Lenexa Police Capt. Wade Borchers.

Customers and employees fled through the store when the man, shouting and carrying a gun, stood just inside the entrance, said Betty Willits, 82, of Merriam.

Freep and other loons are trumpeting the “good guy with a gun” nonsense. This good guy also had a badge, quite a bit of training, and a state peace officer’s license. That is not the same as a dozen yahoos pulling out their Glocks and blazing away, quite possibly at each other.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:46:24am

re: #161 Big Beautiful Door

Yes, but their base isn’t enough to win elections. That is why Roy Moore is trailing in a race that no normal Republican could possibly lose. Why should Democrats throw away the votes of suburban women by adopting the moral standards of Donald Trump for our candidates?

Do not let perfection be the enemy of good. (Voltaire, but CMIIW)

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Teukka  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:46:36am

re: #166 Interesting Times

Too harsh?

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Nah. Maybe a tad softball…
*walks away whistling innocently*

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:46:52am

I started playing the new Wolfenstein game last night. I can see why the RWNJs are upset. Your character’s father is an abusive racist, and anti-Semite, who after hearing that his son was seen with a black girl, tries to force him to kill his own dog as punishment, then kills the dog himself.
The right probably identifies with this monster.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:46:57am

re: #166 Interesting Times

Too harsh?

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Very slightly. Until he’s convicted, my neighbors can fig-leaf with “credibility”.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:47:09am

re: #150 Decatur Deb

I would like the Democrats to nominate someone who is competent, brilliant, decent, experienced, charismatic, and electable.

Fat chance.

me too. that would be great and in my mind sorta goes without saying.

the fact that i have to say i want the dems to nominate a dem is just, wow

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:49:35am

re: #162 Decatur Deb

Roy Moore is not behind. I would bet $5 on Jones, not $100.

The RCP average of polls has Jones ahead. I’m not saying Jones is a lock, but only that he has a good chance of winning a race that no Democrat should have any chance of winning. But what if the Democrats had nominated a sexual predator, which apparently a lot of people here would have no problem with? Then the only advantage we had would’ve been negated and Moore would win easily. Many of you seem to think that the Democrats will be handicapped by not embracing sexual predators; I think we will be throwing away a clear advantage we have over the GOP if we do.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:51:42am

re: #164 Decatur Deb

If virginity is the acid test, our next President is my nun.

Strawman. You don’t have to be a virgin to not be a serial sexual predator.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:52:11am

If Franken is a sexual predator, he is the most inept sexual predator on record. So far the most he has even been accused of is finagling an unwelcome kiss. One label fits all.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:53:10am

re: #164 Decatur Deb

If virginity is the acid test, our next President is my nun.

You have your own nun? I was raised Catholic, but was not issued a nun.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:53:13am

re: #163 Interesting Times

Nope:

That tells you all you need to know about red state voters.*

*Not including those subject to ratfucking and suppression.

That is one poll; others have Jones ahead. And Jones wouldn’t be within the margin of error if he was a sexual predator as well. That is what maintaining high standards for Democratic candidates gains us.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:54:59am

re: #168 The Vicious Babushka

Do not let perfection be the enemy of good. (Voltaire, but CMIIW)

I’m not asking for perfection. But serial sexual predators are not, by any stretch of the imagination, good.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:55:22am

re: #176 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You have your own nun? I was raised Catholic, but was not issued a nun.

She’s 70. I’m her agnostic. I cook planked salmon for her on Fridays in Lent—that’s how subversive I am.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:55:54am

Student debt is indentured servitude.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:58:05am

re: #175 Decatur Deb

If Franken is a sexual predator, he is the most inept sexual predator on record. So far the most he has even been accused of is finagling an unwelcome kiss. One label fits all.

That isn’t all he is accused of; multiple women have accused him of grabbing their butts.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:58:53am

re: #178 Big Beautiful Door

I’m not asking for perfection. But serial sexual predators are not, by any stretch of the imagination, good.

You think people with wandering hands should not be in the White house. I think millionaires should not be in the White House. If we both stick to our guns, Trump stays in the White House.

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lawhawk  Nov 27, 2017 • 7:59:10am

re: #180 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The GOP doesn’t care - in fact, they think college is a method of liberal indoctrination. They’d much rather keep their supporters poor and stupid (and out of the loop on technological changes, STEM, etc.)

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:01:09am

re: #173 Big Beautiful Door

The RCP average of polls has Jones ahead. I’m not saying Jones is a lock, but only that he has a good chance of winning a race that no Democrat should have any chance of winning. But what if the Democrats had nominated a sexual predator, which apparently a lot of people here would have no problem with? Then the only advantage we had would’ve been negated and Moore would win easily. Many of you seem to think that the Democrats will be handicapped by not embracing sexual predators; I think we will be throwing away a clear advantage we have over the GOP if we do.

I think there’s a considerable difference between embracing them, circling the wagons to protect them, and denying everything while waiting for the media to give them cover, and awaiting proper procedure and investigations before resignation. Nobody here has indicated that they would have ‘no problem’ with Democrats nominating and embracing sexual predators. If they were to behave just as Republicans have with any of these accusations, much less attempting to brazenly justify pedophilia, then there would be no difference.

The response of both Al Franken and the Democrats to the accusations leveled thus far has been appropriate. It has demanded accountability without reflexively overreacting, which is different from how Shirley Sherrod, for instance, was treated when confronted with an accusation that turned out to be baseless. I don’t think these accusations are baseless, nor do any reasonable people. But that doesn’t mean that immediate resignation is appropriate or necessary, given the scale of accusations. Again, there’s a big difference between that and embracing sexual predators.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:02:12am

re: #177 Big Beautiful Door

That is one poll; others have Jones ahead. And Jones wouldn’t be within the margin of error if he was a sexual predator as well. That is what maintaining high standards for Democratic candidates gains us.

So, what affect do you think Franken and Conyers are having on this race? 1%? 2%? 5%? Cause I personally don’t think Alabama cares at all about those two, in part because they’d have to admit Moore is messed up.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:03:35am

re: #185 Belafon

So, what affect do you think Franken and Conyers are having on this race? 1%? 2%? 5%? Cause I personally don’t think Alabama cares at all about those two, in part because they’d have to admit Moore is messed up.

If we win, we will win by less than 2%.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:04:42am

re: #186 Unshaken Defiance

Ummm, if you want a new UHD TV likely too late for the SuperbOwl, but just maybe in time for the season opener of baseball buy this if you dare. BTW how do you know what gift wrap?

Personally, for something like a TV, I’d rather buy it at Best Buy, or Walmart, or Target, so I can walk it in if something is wrong.

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danarchy  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:09:05am

re: #188 Belafon

Personally, for something like a TV, I’d rather buy it at Best Buy, or Walmart, or Target, so I can walk it in if something is wrong.

I have ordered TVs online a couple of times. One of them came with a shattered screen. I called the vendor and they set up an RMA and 2 days later a guy came and dropped off a new one and took the busted one off my hands. I was pleasantly surprised with how easily it all went.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:10:17am

re: #186 Unshaken Defiance

Ummm, if you want a new UHD TV likely too late for the SuperbOwl, but just maybe in time for the season opener of baseball buy this if you dare. BTW how do you know what gift wrap?

TCL seems really off-brand to me, and the price is suspiciously low, but the reviews are good.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:11:28am

re: #188 Belafon

Personally, for something like a TV, I’d rather buy it at Best Buy, or Walmart, or Target, so I can walk it in if something is wrong.

Amazon returns are pretty easy.
If I were buying another 4K TV at this time, HDR would be a requirement, but you can’t beat the price on this.

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William Lewis  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:11:38am

re: #153 Decatur Deb

Franken wasn’t. My default, Warren, is older.

Tammy Baldwin for the win.

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plansbandc  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:13:15am

re: #46 jaunte

Just fucking disgusting in every way possible.

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William Lewis  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:14:16am

re: #158 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Hmm mine has a 4 digit combo and was factory preset a proper combination. Good high quality if smaller Browning branded safe.

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William Lewis  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:18:25am

re: #174 Big Beautiful Door

Is it? The standard you’ve been pushing gives power to the GOFascists forever by surrendering to the double standard.

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TedStriker  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:18:25am

re: #190 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

TCL seems really off-brand to me, and the price is suspiciously low, but the reviews are good.

TCL’s been around for a long while, making stuff for other brands when those other brands stopped making their own stuff (RCA/Thomson, Blackberry) and for private labels; it’s really only been within the past few years that they’ve marketed their own-branded stuff here in the US.

Hell, they even bought the naming rights for Grauman’s Chinese Theatre back in 2013.

TCL’s primary products are TVs, DVD players, air conditioners, mobile phones, home appliances, electric lighting, and digital media.

It primarily sells its products under the following brand names:

TCL (in Africa, Asia, Australasia, North America, South America, and Russia (TV, air conditioners);
Alcatel and Thomson mobile phones (global)[22]
BlackBerry (smartphones) global
RCA branded electrical products in the United States.
The company, as of April 2012, is in venture with Swedish furniture giant IKEA to provide the consumer electronics behind the Uppleva integrated HDTV and entertainment system product.[23][24]

In 2016, it contract manufactured the DTEK50 and DTEK60, for BlackBerry Limited, under their flagship BlackBerry brand. In December 2016, it became a licensee of the BlackBerry brand, to manufacture, distribute, and design devices for the global market. As of 2017, it distributes BlackBerry devices under the name of BlackBerry Mobile.

TCL is also the owner of the Palm brand.

en.wikipedia.org

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Decatur Deb  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:21:09am

re: #192 William Lewis

Tammy Baldwin for the win.

Tammy Duckworth in good time, perhaps.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:24:19am

re: #182 Decatur Deb

You think people with wandering hands should not be in the White house. I think millionaires should not be in the White House. If we both stick to our guns, Trump stays in the White House.

You wouldn’t have voted for Obama?

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William Lewis  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:24:45am

re: #197 Decatur Deb

Tammy Duckworth in good time, perhaps.

Run them both in the primary and give VP to the one that comes in second place. One’s an out lesbian and the other is physically disabled, almost perfect Leftist bingo…

< whistles innocently >

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Decatur Deb  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:27:48am

re: #198 Big Beautiful Door

You wouldn’t have voted for Obama?

Voted for him, donated to him, crossed state lines to work for him. I’m very forgiving that way.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:29:15am

re: #199 William Lewis

Run them both in the primary and give VP to the one that comes in second place. One’s an out lesbian and the other is physically disabled, almost perfect Leftist bingo…

< whistles innocently >

We need a balanced ticket. Run either of them for Prez, George Wallace Jr for VP.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:29:54am

re: #185 Belafon

So, what affect do you think Franken and Conyers are having on this race? 1%? 2%? 5%? Cause I personally don’t think Alabama cares at all about those two, in part because they’d have to admit Moore is messed up.

I can’t really say. But it can’t be helping Jones that Republicans can point to Franken and Conyers and say that the Democrats are a bunch of hypocrites, even though the charge of child molestation against Moore is more serious.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:30:09am

re: #191 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Amazon returns are pretty easy.
If I were buying another 4K TV at this time, HDR would be a requirement, but you can’t beat the price on this.

re: #188 Belafon

I think I’ll wait for post Christmas clearances. I already put some money into my PC and TV lately. Gotta finish polish a video or two we have in post-production for the check.

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danarchy  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:30:21am

re: #190 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

TCL seems really off-brand to me, and the price is suspiciously low, but the reviews are good.

TCL seems to have appeared in the US market around the same time as Hisense and a couple of other Chinese brands. They are all huge companies and very well established in China, I am guessing the fact they all popped up in the US probably has something to do with politics and trade deals.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:31:46am

re: #146 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Meghan’s mother is black. Racists will go utterly apeshit. Maybe they will kill themselves in protest. Could we be that lucky?

Facebook Post

I had to look up “dindu”

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Dave In Austin  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:32:13am
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:32:40am

re: #195 William Lewis

Is it? The standard you’ve been pushing gives power to the GOFascists forever by surrendering to the double standard.

Nope, it gives power to the Democrats, as illustrated by the fact we have a real chance of winning an Alabama senate seat that in a normal election the Democrat would have zero chance of winning.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:38:14am

re: #152 Big Beautiful Door

As Jeff Flake said, the GOP is toast if its the party of Roy Moore and Donald Trump, unless the Democrats are also the party of sexual predators. Al Franken and especially John Conyers, who remember is 88 years old, are not irreplaceable.

And when Roy Moore gets elected and Republicans continue to win anyway, then what? So what that the GOP is the party of pussy grabbers and child molesters. The voting public seems to be ok with that.

But let’s give them additional seats so they can completely fuck over everyone else (myself, a woman, included).

Here’s an example: Elliot Spitzer resigns, David Vitter is reelected.

No. Sorry. I am not playing that anymore. Not when millions of lives are at stake.

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William Lewis  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:42:11am

re: #208 MsJ

No. Sorry. I am not playing that anymore. Not when millions of lives are at stake.

Quoted and bolded for truth.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:44:12am

HeyZeus Crisco…

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meteor  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:45:23am

re: #205 FormerDirtDart

Reported that asshole. In another Tweet, he said they shouldn’t be allowed to live.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:51:36am

We’re going to discover that our flawed people aren’t any better than their flawed people. Sounds like the real world to me. But, our flawed people aren’t trying to end abortion, trying to take health care away from everyone, trying to shut down education, trying to resegregate blacks, trying to deport millions, etc.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:51:45am

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

We should have a contest as to which of the Networks, plus CNN and not including Fox, is the most dishonest, corrupt and/or distorted in its political coverage of your favorite President (me). They are all bad. Winner to receive the FAKE NEWS TROPHY!

I once joked about establishing a Ministry of Fairness and Balance, but he seems to be serious

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:54:07am

re: #175 Decatur Deb

If Franken is a sexual predator, he is the most inept sexual predator on record. So far the most he has even been accused of is finagling an unwelcome kiss. One label fits all.

That is the wonder of the nuance and context-free shouting match that passes for modern political discourse: an unwanted kiss is the moral equivalent of molesting a minor.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:54:29am

re: #211 meteor

Reported that asshole. In another Tweet, he said they shouldn’t be allowed to live.

Same here. Reported that ass!

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:54:55am

re: #208 MsJ

And when Roy Moore gets elected and Republicans continue to win anyway, then what? So what that the GOP is the party of pussy grabbers and child molesters. The voting public seems to be ok with that.

But let’s give them additional seats so they can completely fuck over everyone else (myself, a woman, included).

Here’s an example: Elliot Spitzer resigns, David Vitter is reelected.

No. Sorry. I am not playing that anymore. Not when millions of lives are at stake.

Most voters don’t care whether members of their team behave badly in their personal life. Look at the Evangelicals almost all of whom pretend to be religious yet truly don’t care how immoral their candidate is. And the GOP doesn’t really care — the only reason most were concerned about Moore is the fear he might cost them a seat. Look, they don’t seem to have any problems with a “President” who is actually a traitor and a fan of Putin, yet any Democrat who behaved that way would be out of office now. We have far more serious problems facing this nation than these behaviors —- we have a party in power who is going to steal from the poor to enrich the rich, who is damaging the environment without worry, who is dismissive of science, who is harming education for those without wealth, etc. What we have to do is figure out a way to win these elections, regardless of what it takes.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:55:29am

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

gahhh…he is so pathetic.

He’s acknowledging FOX would automatically win, and therefore shouldn’t be in the running. To give the other networks a chance.

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Interesting Times  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:56:45am

re: #146 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Meghan’s mother is black. Racists will go utterly apeshit. Maybe they will kill themselves in protest. Could we be that lucky?

Apropos of nothing, Camp of the Saints (the execrable racist tome beloved by Bannon) concludes with the Queen of England being “forced” to have her son marry a Pakistani woman.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:57:09am

re: #205 FormerDirtDart

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I had to look up “dindu”

He’s a Nazi (and calls Taylor Swift a “shield maiden of the alt-right”). Reported.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:57:11am

re: #208 MsJ

And when Roy Moore gets elected and Republicans continue to win anyway, then what? So what that the GOP is the party of pussy grabbers and child molesters. The voting public seems to be ok with that.

But let’s give them additional seats so they can completely fuck over everyone else (myself, a woman, included).

Here’s an example: Elliot Spitzer resigns, David Vitter is reelected.

No. Sorry. I am not playing that anymore. Not when millions of lives are at stake.

AND while franken <> moore

yes. the r’s will pick up this false equivalency and run with it. let em

we should not surrender to it. certainly not pre-emptively
we should be champions of truth and justice

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:57:35am

re: #208 MsJ

And when Roy Moore gets elected and Republicans continue to win anyway, then what? So what that the GOP is the party of pussy grabbers and child molesters. The voting public seems to be ok with that.

But let’s give them additional seats so they can completely fuck over everyone else (myself, a woman, included).

Here’s an example: Elliot Spitzer resigns, David Vitter is reelected.

No. Sorry. I am not playing that anymore. Not when millions of lives are at stake.

The voting public isn’t ok with that, as illustrated by Trump’s 38% approval rating. If Roy Moore is in danger of losing in Alabama, imagine all the seats in places not as deeply red as Bama where Democrats are going to win in 2018. Now imagine we tell suburban women that the Democrats aren’t interested in their votes because its more important to keep male sexual predators in office.

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sagehen  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:58:08am

re: #205 FormerDirtDart

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I had to look up “dindu”

“American” and “divorced” were the publicly-stated reasons that Wallis Simpson was deemed unsuitable for Edward VIII. It wasn’t until later it became known that “Nazi” was the real reason.

(also, Harry is never going to be king. His older brother has 2 sprogs already, another due in a few months…)

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:58:17am

re: #212 Belafon

We’re going to discover that our flawed people aren’t any better than their flawed people. Sounds like the real world to me. But, our flawed people aren’t trying to end abortion, trying to take health care away from everyone, trying to shut down education, trying to resegregate blacks, trying to deport millions, etc.

…. or at least (for the moment) deny their flaws

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2017 • 8:59:04am

re: #213 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I once joked about establishing a Ministry of Fairness and Balance, but he seems to be serious

I wonder why he excluding Fox from this evaluation? Hmmmm

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 9:00:43am

re: #223 dangerman

…. or at least (for the moment) deny their flaws

John Conyers is.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2017 • 9:03:04am

re: #225 Big Beautiful Door

John Conyers is.

And Pelosi is setting up an investigation anyway.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2017 • 9:03:43am

re: #216 Hecuba’s daughter

Most voters don’t care whether members of their team behave badly in their personal life. Look at the Evangelicals almost all of whom pretend to be religious yet truly don’t care how immoral their candidate is. And the GOP doesn’t really care — the only reason most were concerned about Moore is the fear he might cost them a seat. Look, they don’t seem to have any problems with a “President” who is actually a traitor and a fan of Putin, yet any Democrat who behaved that way would be out of office now. We have far more serious problems facing this nation than these behaviors —- we have a party in power who is going to steal from the poor to enrich the rich, who is damaging the environment without worry, who is dismissive of science, who is harming education for those without wealth, etc. What we have to do is figure out a way to win these elections, regardless of what it takes.

It’s very hard to win in Fox/Rush/right wing propagandized country. I don’t know how to win there. I don’t know what it would take to unwind people from 25 years of propaganda.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 27, 2017 • 9:04:29am
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Belafon  Nov 27, 2017 • 9:04:35am

re: #227 MsJ

It’s very hard to win in Fox/Rush/right wing propagandized country. I don’t know how to win there. I don’t know what it would take to unwind people from 25 years of propaganda.

I do, but it isn’t pretty. Think 1945.

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lawhawk  Nov 27, 2017 • 9:07:18am

re: #210 Dave In Austin

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Citizen K  Nov 27, 2017 • 9:10:06am
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dangerman  Nov 27, 2017 • 9:12:49am

re: #225 Big Beautiful Door

John Conyers is.

not the way moore and trump are

he’s saying its not what it appears to be:

- ethics investigation pending

- he has acknowledged that his office settled a harassment complaint involving a former staffer but denies the allegations against him.

- “I very much look forward to vindicating myself and my family before the House Committee on Ethics.”

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CleverToad  Nov 27, 2017 • 9:18:52am

re: #221 Big Beautiful Door

Now imagine we tell suburban women that the Democrats aren’t interested in their votes because its more important to keep male sexual predators in office.

Are you a male or female?
My impression was male, but this is the internet and one should never assume.

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gocart mozart  Nov 27, 2017 • 9:31:31am
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 27, 2017 • 9:39:34am

After closer inspection, and a little googling, it seems to be a hotdog vendor riding an ostrich

No. I do not know why.

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Bass Reeves  Nov 27, 2017 • 9:41:39am

re: #221 Big Beautiful Door

The voting public isn’t ok with that, as illustrated by Trump’s 38% approval rating currently being in office even though all allegations about him were known during the campaign.

Now imagine we tell suburban women that the Democrats aren’t interested in their votes because its more important to keep male sexual predators in office.

I don’t want to be nearby when that strawman gets set on fire. Wtf part of not letting them run again and make public restitution is so abhorrent to you?

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plansbandc  Nov 27, 2017 • 9:42:30am

The wingnut portion of my facebook just thinks this is the funniest thing ever…

Haw haw

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retired cynic  Nov 27, 2017 • 9:44:48am

Well, surprise.

GOP TAX BILL HURTS POOR PEOPLE: The Post reports that a new Congressional Budget Office analysis of the Senate GOP tax bill finds that it’s even worse for poor people than we thought:

By 2019, Americans earning less than $30,000 a year would be worse off under the Senate bill, CBO found. By 2021, Americans earning $40,000 or less would be net losers, and by 2027, most people earning less than $75,000 a year would be worse off. On the flip side, millionaires and those earning $100,000 to $500,000 would be big beneficiaries, according to the CBO’s calculations.

This is because the bill repeals the mandate, leading to large reductions in health-care spending on poor people. That’s all to fund the corporate tax cuts that overwhelmingly benefit top earners.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 27, 2017 • 9:44:56am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 27, 2017 • 9:47:04am

re: #239 Ace-o-aces

He’s a complete lunatic.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 27, 2017 • 9:49:58am

re: #239 Ace-o-aces

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:01:58am
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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:02:25am

re: #221 Big Beautiful Door

The voting public isn’t ok with that, as illustrated by Trump’s 38% approval rating. If Roy Moore is in danger of losing in Alabama, imagine all the seats in places not as deeply red as Bama where Democrats are going to win in 2018. Now imagine we tell suburban women that the Democrats aren’t interested in their votes because its more important to keep male sexual predators in office.

The 38% approval has nothing to do with Trump’s being a sexual predator but everything to do with his accomplishing nothing in office and his erratic and unprofessional demeanor while in office. If he had legislative accomplishments, even if they harmed the country, but the GOP promoted them as the best ever, his ratings would be much higher.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:02:39am

re: #242 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:04:48am

re: #245 I Would Prefer Not To

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:10:14am

re: #242 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:14:36am

Bitcoin’s Value Rose To Nearly $10K On Black Friday

> investors were dumping money into the currency of the future.

Into what they imagine will be the currency of the future. A future that would somehow have no regular money, but somehow still have an Internet.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:14:48am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:15:44am

re: #247 Colère Tueur de Lapin

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Jay C  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:17:22am

re: #187 Decatur Deb

If we win [AL-Sen], we will win by less than 2%.

Hey, by the usual standards of Democratic/Republican voter patterns in AL, that would be a historic landslide. I went to the Alabama SoS’s website to check the state’s voting patterns: and while they have no data later than 2014, the turnout for big (i.e. Presidential) elections seems to be - a fairly high, IMO - 70% or so: but even if turnout is 65% or so, that’s still 1,900,000 votes*: even a 51-49 split is a margin of 38,000: I’d take that in an instant: after all, we only need a margin of 1.

* estimating a total registration of 2,900,000 rounding up (?) from the last figures provided (2014)

re: #245 I Would Prefer Not To

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:19:59am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:26:07am

Some of the replies to that Trump tweet are pretty good.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:26:15am

re: #233 CleverToad

Are you a male or female?
My impression was male, but this is the internet and one should never assume.

I am male. I think part of the problem here is that most men aren’t in fact sexual predators. So when I suggest that Democrats have a higher moral standard than Republicans, they imagine people losing jobs for flirting, or a compliment, or maybe a kiss at the end of a date when the woman didn’t feel the chemistry the man imagined. All I’m talking about is taking a clear stand against the minority of men who are predators and who serially cross boundaries any decent person knows shouldn’t be crossed. It frustrates me when people here say no Democratic sexual predator should resign from office until Trump does. Is that really the message we want to send to woman voters? Shouldn’t the Democrats be energizing women to get politically active, vote, and run for office by categorically rejecting Trump, rather than letting him set our moral standards in the gutter?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:28:03am

Maybe the whole country is part of a Russian prank TV show, maybe it’ll all be over soon.

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Alephnaught  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:29:30am

I’ve never seen Morrissey this gobby before. I wonder if he’s keeping an eye on the sales of his newly released album.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:30:09am

re: #236 Bass Reeves

I don’t want to be nearby when that strawman gets set on fire. Wtf part of not letting them run again and make public restitution is so abhorrent to you?

Why is asking them to resign when they are going to be replaced by other Democrats if they do, so abhorrent to you? And what I find abhorrent isn’t so much what you said, but rather the people saying Trump is the standard of behavior, so until Trump resigns no Democratic sexual predator should.

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Citizen K  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:30:57am

It’s almost like you shouldn’t take a corporation at their word far as not being shitheels once regulation is lessened. Fancy that.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:35:40am

Nice choice of picture.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:36:10am

re: #237 plansbandc

The wingnut portion of my facebook just thinks this is the funniest thing ever…

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wrenchwench  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:40:19am

Two weeks ago, a dark, hairy spider dropped from the ceiling to somewhere behind my desk. I looked around for a while until I forgot about it. (The hairy ones [below tarantula size] don’t bother me, it’s the shiny ones, like a Black Widow, that do.)

One week ago, I remembered and poked around a couple of good hiding places, and found TWO hairy, dark spiders. I stopped tossing my cap on the floor after chasing them to parts unknown. I don’t have much in the way of Spider Chow in the office, so they can’t live forever.

I’m not very good at maintaining a high level of concern. Maybe I should work on that.

Trump is still president, right?

Oh, yes. Concern is high.

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blueraven  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:40:21am

I wish to Hell people would stop putting Al Franken in the same boat with Conyers.

The allegations against Conyers are serious and while Franken may have acted inappropriately, calls for him to resign are ridiculous, at least at this point. If further credible allegations surface then we’ll see. I am fearful, that in his case, there is great potential for ratfucking.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:41:02am

re: #261 Big Beautiful Door

Someone should take the care.com site, put Roy Moore’s picture in it, and state “The conservatives choice for babysitting their daughters” and see how they laugh.

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Alephnaught  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:44:06am

re: #257 Alephnaught

Talking of gobby: Turns out Katie Hopkins is too toxic even for the Daily Mail.

[…] news of her departure came three days after footage was published online showing her speaking at an event organised by far-right American think-tank the David Horowitz Freedom Center.

“It’s such a pleasure to be amongst people that are prepared to fight for their country,” Ms Hopkins said, before telling the cheering audience it was “our time”.

“We can commit to arm ourselves, not just with the help of the NRA,” she added. “Get furious and fight back.”

The speech, made in Florida earlier this month, went on to claim areas of Britain were controlled by a “Muslim mafia” and allege that there was “institutionalised discrimination against whites” in the UK.

Ms Hopkins railed against “Muslim men” and the “Muslim mayor of Londonistan”, referring to Sadiq Khan, who she claimed she “cannot stand”.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:45:04am

Hi all, how was your Thanksgivings?

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:47:46am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

Hi all, how was your Thanksgivings?

Good thanks! And yours?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:48:58am

re: #267 Big Beautiful Door

Good thanks! And yours?

Pretty good. My cousin came over as did my uncle. Having a minor case of the Mondays heh but I’ll be in shape to work in no time.

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Bass Reeves  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:50:38am

re: #258 Big Beautiful Door

Why is asking them to resign when they are going to be replaced by other Democrats if they do, so abhorrent to you? And what I find abhorrent isn’t so much what you said, but rather the people saying Trump is the standard of behavior, so until Trump resigns no Democratic sexual predator should.

First, Trump *is* the standard of behavior. Not the model, the standard. He was elected with these allegations known and discussed. That proves both your point about serial sexual predators as well as disproves your view of the voting public (which, I have to point out, are contradictory). Almost 50% of the voting public thought it was a good idea to vote for an admitted sexual predator. That’s the standard now.

Second, I already said multiple times why I think resigning immediately is a bad call. You’ve not actually explained why you lack nuance and cannot consider any other option for any offense rather than immediate resignation.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:51:52am

re: #269 Bass Reeves

First, Trump *is* the standard of behavior. Not the model, the standard. He was elected with these allegations known and discussed. That proves both your point about serial sexual predators as well as disproves your view of the voting public (which, I have to point out, are contradictory). Almost 50% of the voting public thought it was a good idea to vote for an admitted sexual predator. That’s the standard now.

Second, I already said multiple times why I think resigning immediately is a bad call. You’ve not actually explained why you lack nuance and cannot consider any other option for any offense rather than immediate resignation.

Trump is the standard for Republicans. They’ve had much lower standards than the rest of us for a long time now.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:53:42am

Trump seems to me to getting more and more unhinged by the day. He very clearly is unstable and unfit for the job.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:55:46am

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Trump seems to me to getting more and more unhinged by the day. He very clearly is unstable and unfit for the job.

He knows the end is coming. The law is closing in on him, and no amount of pretending that Clinton is the real traitor will help him.

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jaunte  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:57:44am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:57:47am

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Trump seems to me to getting more and more unhinged by the day. He very clearly is unstable and unfit for the job.

He has been unqualified and unfit for the job since day one.

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Citizen K  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:58:03am

re: #270 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Trump is the standard for Republicans. They’ve had much lower standards than the rest of us for a long time now.

The point is that holding ourselves to higher standards has failed to give us any moral purchase because, for many, our existence as Dems already is a discounting moral failure. Trying to preempt any sort of moral posturing against us with resignation before its asked of us doesn’t give us any sort of tangible moral high ground. In many cases, it simply allows the GOP and the media to elicit an even higher standard of behavior for Dems while letting the GOP lower their standard even more because ‘both sides same thing’. We have to let the current standard run its course while demanding the GOP be drug back up to that bar, rather than raising our own bar without prompting.

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lawhawk  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:58:08am

It’s clear Trump didn’t actually read the article, or understand anything about it.

And Lowry doesn’t care, because he gets an autograph.

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jaunte  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:58:32am

“…Woolsey abruptly resigned as a senior adviser to Trump’s transition team in January, one day before Trump was set to receive a briefing from US intelligence officials on Russia’s interference in the 2016 election.”
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lawhawk  Nov 27, 2017 • 10:59:31am

re: #274 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He has been unqualified and unfit for the job since before day one of his campaign.

It’s always been clear he was lacking character and judgment to be president.

Every day since he announced his run, he’s proven that to be accurate.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:00:18am

re: #275 Citizen K

The point is that holding ourselves to higher standards has failed to give us any moral purchase because, for many, our existence as Dems already is a discounting moral failure. Trying to preempt any sort of moral posturing against us with resignation before its asked of us doesn’t give us any sort of tangible moral high ground. In many cases, it simply allows the GOP and the media to elicit an even higher standard of behavior for Dems while letting the GOP lower their standard even more because ‘both sides same thing’. We have to let the current standard run its course while demanding the GOP be drug back up to that bar, rather than raising our own bar without prompting.

The Democrats aren’t ever going to appeal to the lunatics who think that being Democrats is a moral failure. They do stand to lose ground with decent people if they lower themselves to Trump’s level.

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wrenchwench  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:01:02am

re: #265 Alephnaught

Talking of gobby: Turns out Katie Hopkins is too toxic even for the Daily Mail.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:03:04am

re: #274 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He has been unqualified and unfit for the job since day one.

Absolutely.

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Bass Reeves  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:03:51am

re: #279 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The Democrats aren’t ever going to appeal to the lunatics who think that being Democrats is a moral failure. They do stand to lose ground with decent people if they lower themselves to Trump’s level.

This is really quite a good point, and I think it is the a pillar behind Door’s argument. I just think there is a way to both not lower ourselves to that level AND not just hand them even more of the keys to power because we can’t remember 2016.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:04:27am

re: #280 wrenchwench

I had to look up ‘gobby’.

Me too, and I didn’t know Alephnaught was Australian.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:05:46am

re: #270 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Trump is the standard for Republicans. They’ve had much lower standards than the rest of us for a long time now.

And yet, sadly, it’s enough to get you elected with our system that favors small states, which are conservative. There are more than enough people that consider helping minorities to be a greater threat than barging in on teenagers or stalking them at a mall. So, while we have to try to maintain the highest standards we can, the reality is that that’s not enough to win elections.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:06:02am

re: #276 lawhawk

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And Lowry doesn’t care, because he gets an autograph.

Appears that this is from his good news binder he gets every day.

so fucking sad

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Citizen K  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:06:10am

re: #279 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The Democrats aren’t ever going to appeal to the lunatics who think that being Democrats is a moral failure. They do stand to lose ground with decent people if they lower themselves to Trump’s level.

Thing is we’re not even lowering ourselves to his level. Franken is stepping out in front of things with conciliation and offering himself up to ethical investigations. Conyers has stepped down from his chair pending investigation. They’re already paying more consequence than any GOPer caught in their same situation has ever paid, and there are likely even more sanctions coming if the investigations come out badly for either.

Trying to get out in front of these things with insta-resignation to gain credit with “decent people” is more likely to backfire and reinforce the idea that Dems are coddling predators, with the resignations pushed as admissions of guilt even worse than what’s happening now.

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wrenchwench  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:06:53am

re: #283 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Me too, and I didn’t know Alephnaught was Australian.

It’s so hard to keep all the lizards straight. Especially those damn nic-changers.

Ooops, sorry.

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blueraven  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:07:56am

re: #283 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Me too, and I didn’t know Alephnaught was Australian.

Think he is from Scotland.

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jaunte  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:08:27am

Give the gift of something your friends will saw in half.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:10:41am

re: #269 Bass Reeves

First, Trump *is* the standard of behavior. Not the model, the standard. He was elected with these allegations known and discussed. That proves both your point about serial sexual predators as well as disproves your view of the voting public (which, I have to point out, are contradictory). Almost 50% of the voting public thought it was a good idea to vote for an admitted sexual predator. That’s the standard now.

Second, I already said multiple times why I think resigning immediately is a bad call. You’ve not actually explained why you lack nuance and cannot consider any other option for any offense rather than immediate resignation.

First Trump got only 46% of the vote and he’s been and continues to be the least popular president in his first year in office since modern polling began. I don’t agree with the poster who thinks that has nothing to do with his lack of moral standards; I think that’s a big reason why he is so unpopular even with a strong economy (thanks Obama!). Trump only won because Clinton got ratfucked by the Russians and Comey. Women have been energized by last year’s election, and to keep that energy high and motivated, the Democrats should set moral standards that candidates and office holders facing highly credible serious charges of sexual harassment ought to step aside. I don’t like seeing Kentucky Governor Matt Bevin, who called on all the GOP legislators in Kentucky who settled sexual harassment claims to resign, taking a clear moral stand against sexual harassment while Democrats don’t. I know many here think we are playing into GOP hands if the Democrats take a clear stand, but I think the Democrats are playing into GOP hands if we don’t. There is a lot of political talent in the country and women are seriously underrepresented in Congress; we don’t have to cling to sexual predators.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:11:05am

re: #288 blueraven

Think he is from Scotland.

Good, the Australian definition of Gobby is a lot worse than some other ones. Don’t look it up.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:12:20am

re: #282 Bass Reeves

This is really quite a good point, and I think it is the a pillar behind Door’s argument. I just think there is a way to both not lower ourselves to that level AND not just hand them even more of the keys to power because we can’t remember 2016.

sure - it’s recognizing and supporting the rule of law

response to accusations and allegations should be acknowledgement and cooperation with any inquiry or investigation seeking facts, truth and whether the accusations have merit

immediate and unconditional resignation in response to allegations is not productive

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:12:26am

re: #289 jaunte

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allegro  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:12:50am

re: #255 Big Beautiful Door

It frustrates me when people here say no Democratic sexual predator should resign from office until Trump does. Is that really the message we want to send to woman voters? Shouldn’t the Democrats be energizing women to get politically active, vote, and run for office by categorically rejecting Trump, rather than letting him set our moral standards in the gutter?

It frustrates me to see this incessant mansplaining to women about how we feel about this. As if we haven’t experienced actual sexual predation and real sexual harassment and well know the difference between these and a fanny pat at a party. You apparently don’t since you insist on putting them all in the same box.

It frustrates me to see a claimed ally insisting throwing Democrats under the nearest bus without due process. Though the party has taken the accusations seriously and called for investigations as is proper procedure, you claim that we are “embracing” sexual predation. I submit that both cannot be true simultaneously. I see a party that is sane and well morally grounded the way these accusations are being handled both by the party and the men accused.That’s the message this woman voter is receiving.

I’ve been seeing a whole lot of Democrat party outreach to women. Haven’t you? Were you not paying attention to the last election? Have you not been seeing here the number of posts about the record number of Democrat women running for offices?

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Alephnaught  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:13:37am

re: #283 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Me too, and I didn’t know Alephnaught was Australian.

I’m not, I’m actually Glaswegian, born and bred. I just wanted use a word that embodied in short form what I was talking about without using the usual Glaswegian equivalent, which would inevitably involve a superexplosion of compressed hyperexpletives. Which would tend to draw attention away from the story at hand.

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wrenchwench  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:13:38am

Speaking of Scotland, I miss ice & Jimmeh. Hope I got those right.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:14:30am

re: #286 Citizen K

Thing is we’re not even lowering ourselves to his level. Franken is stepping out in front of things with conciliation and offering himself up to ethical investigations. Conyers has stepped down from his chair pending investigation. They’re already paying more consequence than any GOPer caught in their same situation has ever paid, and there are likely even more sanctions coming if the investigations come out badly for either.

Trying to get out in front of these things with insta-resignation to gain credit with “decent people” is more likely to backfire and reinforce the idea that Dems are coddling predators, with the resignations pushed as admissions of guilt even worse than what’s happening now.

…that an investigation (say by the senate) would no longer be necessary and hence “more cover up”

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:15:14am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:15:15am

re: #296 wrenchwench

Speaking of Scotland, I miss ice & Jimmeh. Hope I got those right.

I learned a lot about the Scottish nationalist movement from them. I definitely became a strong supporter of AYE based on what I learned. Hope they’re well. I actually learned recently I probably have some distant Scottish ancestry along the line.

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Citizen K  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:15:26am

re: #292 dangerman

sure - it’s recognizing and supporting the rule of law

response to accusations and allegations should be acknowledgement and cooperation with any inquiry or investigation seeking facts, truth and whether the accusations have merit

immediate and unconditional resignation in response to allegations is not productive

Precisely this. And once again, it’ll end up becoming the standard only for Dems, while GOPers can deny, deflect, and be defended and skate by because they inoculate themselves from consequence.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:15:53am

re: #279 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The Democrats aren’t ever going to appeal to the lunatics who think that being Democrats is a moral failure. They do stand to lose ground with decent people if they lower themselves to Trump’s level.

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jaunte  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:16:08am

re: #298 Ace-o-aces

Saw that exchange this morning and had an almost-spit-take moment.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:16:32am

re: #298 Ace-o-aces

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jaunte  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:18:30am

Kushner should be gone already.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:19:52am

re: #284 Belafon

And yet, sadly, it’s enough to get you elected with our system that favors small states, which are conservative. There are more than enough people that consider helping minorities to be a greater threat than barging in on teenagers or stalking them at a mall. So, while we have to try to maintain the highest standards we can, the reality is that that’s not enough to win elections.

I’m hoping Jones beats Moore and demonstrates that isn’t the case. But even if Jones loses by a small margin, that only goes to show that Alabama is an extremely red state where its almost impossible to win; in virtually any other state the moral clarity between Jones and Moore would spell victory for the Democrats.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:20:15am

re: #304 jaunte

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Kushner should be gone already.

Keep on stonewalling in the free world.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:20:35am

re: #298 Ace-o-aces

We’re going to have to do a better job of conveying “I can’t believe you’re that much of an idiot.” They too easily confuse it with “Well, you got me.”

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Skip Intro  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:20:40am

re: #229 Belafon

I do, but it isn’t pretty. Think 1945.

We need to invaded by Russia? It could happen, I guess.

Personally I hope we’re overthrown by Canada and Great Britain.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:21:28am

re: #305 Big Beautiful Door

I’m hoping Jones beats Moore and demonstrates that isn’t the case. But even if Jones loses by a small margin, that only goes to show that Alabama is an extremely red state where its almost impossible to win; in virtually any other state the moral clarity between Jones and Moore would spell victory for the Democrats.

You mean all those states that Trump won, right? Like here in Texas?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:22:08am

re: #304 jaunte

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Kushner should be gone already.

His real father wants him right where he is.

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Citizen K  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:23:45am
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Kragar  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:24:09am

re: #304 jaunte

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:25:01am

I’m reminded of the “What do you actually do” conversation in Office Space in regards to Jared.

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William Lewis  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:25:29am

re: #290 Big Beautiful Door

Do you really thing Bevin would have said that if there was even a 1% chance even one of them would do so? He knew none would and instead he gets to pretend he’s got the moral high ground to the Puritopians and he gets to help them disarm the Democrats unilaterally, never mind our people are already paying a far higher price.

But the purity ponies won’t care till every Democrat who ever made a mistake of any kind is driven from office to the delight of the Fascists who will destroy women & minority lives unimpaired afterwards.

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Kragar  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:26:02am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

He’s a people person.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:27:02am

Our government under Trump has combined some elements of authoritarian regimes but also the worst of crony business too. In a sense and maybe I’m off here but it really reminds me a lot of the many former Soviet Republics where an egomaniac controls the country and dispenses favortism to his family. The Hitler comp I always thought was off for Trump. Though Trump is certainly a bigot too. But Trump is ultimately in my eyes an opportunist who cares not about ideology but his own bottom line.

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Dizzy  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:27:07am

re: #308 Skip Intro

Personally I hope we’re overthrown by Canada and Great Britain.

Overthrow governments? We don’t do that in Canada. You’re welcome to visit though, as long as you leave your firearms and evangelicals at home.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:27:16am

re: #309 Belafon

You mean all those states that Trump won, right? Like here in Texas?

I believe there is a real chance that Ted Cruz will lose next year, especially if there were credible accusations of sexual harassment against him, yes.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:27:53am

re: #315 Kragar

He’s a people person.

I have people Skills Office Space

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Kragar  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:29:07am
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Kragar  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:29:41am

re: #319 HappyWarrior

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wrenchwench  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:30:08am

re: #318 Big Beautiful Door

I believe there is a real chance that Ted Cruz will lose next year, especially if there were credible accusations of sexual harassment against him, yes.

The chance to beat Cruz has a name: Beto O’Rourke. He’s good.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:30:08am

re: #243 Ace-o-aces

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:30:14am

re: #314 William Lewis

Do you really thing Bevin would have said that if there was even a 1% chance even one of them would do so? He knew none would and instead he gets to pretend he’s got the moral high ground to the Puritopians and he gets to help them disarm the Democrats unilaterally, never mind our people are already paying a far higher price.

But the purity ponies won’t care till every Democrat who ever made a mistake of any kind is driven from office to the delight of the Fascists who will destroy women & minority lives unimpaired afterwards.

You are contradicting yourself. If its good politically for Matt Bevin to call on Republican sexual harassers to resign, then why wouldn’t it be good for Democrats as well? Al Franken and John Conyers can still refuse, just like Jeff Hoover and the other Kentucky Republicans did. (They did lose their leadership posts though).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:30:22am

re: #321 Kragar

I’ll lay money on Jared wearing a wire before the end of this

Wouldn’t surprise me. I imagine he’s none oto happy that Daddy in Law cohorts with Nazi fans.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:30:53am

re: #322 wrenchwench

The chance to beat Cruz has a name: Beto O’Rourke. He’s good.

I really like Beto. Seems like a great guy.

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Bass Reeves  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:34:36am

re: #290 Big Beautiful Door

I feel like my responses to you are becoming increasingly antagonistic, and I want to pull back from that.

I think that you may be not fully reading the responses, and possibly knee-jerking your reaction. Whatever you think the reasons Trump won the general, his history of sexual harassment was a known factor, and 46% of the voters *were okay with it*. Trump’s low approval rating right now has very little to do with sexual harassment until about the past two weeks, and there is no credible argument to make that it is a significant factor over emoluments or Russia.

You still are unable or unwilling to see nuance in offense, and have not touched on why you think measured responses are inappropriate. Can you give us a hint on what you’re thinking with that, please? It can’t be that ‘women voters will love us if we make everyone with an allegation resign’, because that is just…not the way things work.

re: #318 Big Beautiful Door

I believe there is a real chance that Ted Cruz will lose next year, especially if there were credible accusations of sexual harassment against him, yes.

That’s absolutely delusional.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:35:16am

re: #320 Kragar

Windsor is a 33-year-old former soldier, having served in Helmand, Afghanistan with the Army Air Corps. He is currently unemployed but does charity work.

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Jay C  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:35:33am

re: #320 Kragar

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Fun fact: the charming Ms. Markle and her unemployed ex-helo-pilot boyfriend are actually distantly related (via the Late Queen Mum) - of course, their last common ancestor died in 1572, so that’s not really close by European Royalty standards….

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Sir John Barron  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:35:53am

re: #1 Patricia Kayden

He lies about everything so why stop now?

This is the latest in MAGAbot evolution: Start denying things the Boss has already admitted to just because Trump now denies it. The Ministry of Truth is in gear flushing previous denials into the bottomless pit of Trumpderp.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:36:33am

re: #329 Jay C

Fun fact: the charming Ms. Markle and her unemployed ex-helo-pilot boyfriend are actually distantly related (via the Late Queen Mum) - of course, their last common ancestor died in 1572, so that’s not really close by European Royalty standards….

What a loser she married. Can’t keep a job. Flunky.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:36:40am

re: #262 wrenchwench

Two weeks ago, a dark, hairy spider dropped from the ceiling to somewhere behind my desk. I looked around for a while until I forgot about it. (The hairy ones [below tarantula size] don’t bother me, it’s the shiny ones, like a Black Widow, that do.)

One week ago, I remembered and poked around a couple of good hiding places, and found TWO hairy, dark spiders. I stopped tossing my cap on the floor after chasing them to parts unknown. I don’t have much in the way of Spider Chow in the office, so they can’t live forever.

I’m not very good at maintaining a high level of concern. Maybe I should work on that.

Trump is still president, right?

Oh, yes. Concern is high.

Is moving an option? ;-)

There’s always this…

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blueraven  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:36:48am

re: #324 Big Beautiful Door

You are contradicting yourself. If its good politically for Matt Bevin to call on Republican sexual harassers to resign, then why wouldn’t it be good for Democrats as well? Al Franken and John Conyers can still refuse, just like Jeff Hoover and the other Kentucky Republicans did. (They did lose their leadership posts though).

And you are contradicting yourself. Because republicans give lip service and pretend to care for political reasons, we should do the same?

Conyers has left his leadership role. Franken and Conyers will be under Ethics investigation. OMG. Franken may have touched someones butt! For which he has apologized and accepted responsibility.

The horror!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:38:17am

re: #329 Jay C

- of course, their last common ancestor died in 1572, so that’s not really close by European Royalty standards….

1972 probably wouldn’t be close by those standards.

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Jay C  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:38:22am

re: #331 Sir John Barron

What a loser she married. Can’t keep a job. Flunky.

Yeah: He’s probably going to have to bum around on his family’s money for the rest of his life….

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Sir John Barron  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:39:24am

re: #312 Kragar

JUST IN: Jared Kushner delays Senate deadline for documents in Russia investigation battle
— Newsweek

Have to admit that’s pretty impressive. You go and try to delay a Senate deadline.

////

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wrenchwench  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:40:45am

It was not so long ago that Democrats were thinking about embiggening their tent by supporting candidates who do not support the right of all women to a legal, affordable abortion.

This is where I’m happy to be a purity pony, or whatever you call people who put their foot down on one issue. Free abortions for all who want them!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:41:27am

When retired Marine Col. Lee Busby read it was too late for a write-in candidate for the Alabama senate race, he said, “Hold my beer, we will just see about that.”

Busby told The Daily Beast on Monday he is launching his long-shot bid to stop Republican nominee Roy Moore from reaching the Senate.

“I have no idea if the allegations against him true or not, but I don’t see anything within his experience as a judge that qualifies him for the job.”

Busby said his state needs a choice other than Moore or Democrat Doug Jones.

“Alabama is not happy with the two choices we have down here. They are not appealing.”

Busby said he spent 31 years in the Marine Corps and on his last tour of duty was vice chief of staff to then-Gen. John Kelly, who is now White House chief of staff.

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MsJ  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:41:54am

re: #277 jaunte

“…Woolsey abruptly resigned as a senior adviser to Trump’s transition team in January, one day before Trump was set to receive a briefing from US intelligence officials on Russia’s interference in the 2016 election.”
businessinsider.com

But he dined with Trump **last** weekend? This is…odd.

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Skip Intro  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:42:03am

re: #317 Dizzy

Overthrow governments? We don’t do that in Canada. You’re welcome to visit though, as long as you leave your firearms and evangelicals at home.

Can’t you declare war on us? As a favor?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:42:57am
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wrenchwench  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:44:21am

re: #332 MsJ

Is moving an option? ;-)

There’s always this…

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I’m on my third landlord at this address. His parents have an insurance business, so I’m sure he’s covered…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:45:45am

jeebus

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:46:48am

re: #175 Decatur Deb

If Franken is a sexual predator, he is the most inept sexual predator on record. So far the most he has even been accused of is finagling an unwelcome kiss. One label fits all.

I’m behind reading…pretty busy morning/day.

Anyway, I think labeling Franken a sexual predator is going too far as far as I understand the term.

We need more definitions of sexual offenses. I think there used to be two. A sex offender and a sex predator. Moore seems to fit the predator as did Trump because of actually seeking women to offend. Franken seems to be more an offender.

What a mess. But it is a mess that will be given a thorough examination, or should, in the next few years.

Not to jump on those that want Franken to resign, but as far as I can tell, most of the women I hear talking about this are less harsh on Franken than some of the male members here. That might be a good sign that we can reach a realistic outcome.

And then there are the conservatives that will still try to get over on the Democrats while they still go about doing their same crap as always.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:47:00am
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MsJ  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:47:12am

re: #321 Kragar

I’ll lay money on Jared wearing a wire before the end of this

I hope not. He deserves the Kuschner Sr. treatment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:48:08am
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MsJ  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:48:11am

re: #327 Bass Reeves

That’s absolutely delusional.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:49:31am
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Citizen K  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:49:49am

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:51:53am

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:51:59am

re: #340 Skip Intro

Can’t you declare war on us? As a favor?

Ask the duchy of grand Fenwick. Likely they aren’t busy

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Dizzy  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:53:58am

re: #340 Skip Intro

Can’t you declare war on us? As a favor?

We do “favours” not favors. We’ll consider it, but we can only invade in the summer once the snow has melted.

Get ready for poutine and Tim Horton’s.

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Citizen K  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:55:07am

re: #353 Dizzy

We do “favours” not favors. We’ll consider it, but we can only invade in the summer once the snow has melted.

Get ready for poutine and Tim Horton’s.

Can’t be worse than the Dunkins’s Takeover of the eastern seaboard.

355
lawhawk  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:55:40am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

What the fuck is Trump going on about? Elizabeth Warren? He just spews word salad and we’re left picking up the pieces.

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dangerman  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:55:58am

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They call her Pocahontas

No “they” dont

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 27, 2017 • 11:57:23am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 27, 2017 • 12:01:24pm

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

I just can’t believe he….wait, of course I can believe he said that.

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Belafon  Nov 27, 2017 • 12:02:31pm

re: #351 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He probably is. He really only needed to cite one of them.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 27, 2017 • 12:03:14pm

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

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sagehen  Nov 27, 2017 • 12:06:10pm

re: #337 wrenchwench

It was not so long ago that Democrats were thinking about embiggening their tent by supporting candidates who do not support the right of all women to a legal, affordable abortion.

This is where I’m happy to be a purity pony, or whatever you call people who put their foot down on one issue. Free abortions for all who want them!!!

I like the Israeli standards better.

It’s free if there’s a medical reason it’s necessary, or if you’re over 40, under 18, active-duty military, or if the pregnancy was caused by a crime. Everybody else who wants an elective abortion has to go to a private doctor and pay for it themselves.

(but I do support free IUD’s to anybody over the age of consent who wants one)

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 27, 2017 • 12:13:53pm

re: #322 wrenchwench

The chance to beat Cruz has a name: Beto O’Rourke. He’s good.

Credible accusations that Cruz is the zodiac killer would help too!

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ObserverArt  Nov 27, 2017 • 12:18:57pm

re: #304 jaunte

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Kushner should be gone already.

Oh good, a decent reason to post this P’shop from last week.

My toast is telling me Kushner is toast!
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CleverToad  Nov 27, 2017 • 12:31:49pm

re: #255 Big Beautiful Door

I am male…. Is that really the message we want to send to woman voters? Shouldn’t the Democrats be energizing women to get politically active, vote, and run for office by categorically rejecting Trump, rather than letting him set our moral standards in the gutter?

re: #294 allegro

It frustrates me to see this incessant mansplaining to women about how we feel about this. As if we haven’t experienced actual sexual predation and real sexual harassment and well know the difference between these and a fanny pat at a party. You apparently don’t since you insist on putting them all in the same box.

It frustrates me to see a claimed ally insisting throwing Democrats under the nearest bus without due process. Though the party has taken the accusations seriously and called for investigations as is proper procedure, you claim that we are “embracing” sexual predation. I submit that both cannot be true simultaneously. I see a party that is sane and well morally grounded the way these accusations are being handled both by the party and the men accused.That’s the message this woman voter is receiving.

Allegro said a lot of what I was about to, and hit that nail square. BBD, as a male, are you quoting from women you know and interact with IRL, or from polling of Democratic women? I’m frustrated because it feels you aren’t listening to the women in this group when we’ve spelled out our concerns and opinions.

I am a 61-year-old white Democratic suburban female. I want my party to react in a reasoned and proportionate response to reports of sexual harassment or predation. I want due process; when an allegation is proven, I want an appropriate consequence. Jerky behavior like unwelcome kisses or grabs deserves an honest apology, and warrants a sharp eye in the future, but not necessarily resignation unless the jerk keeps doing it. Workplace harassment that exploited or threatened a subordinate warrants a stronger response, and yes that’s probably resignation. Predation — rape, stalking, incest, pedophilia, abuse et alia — warrants unequivocal and preferably legal consequences.

Yes, all the gamut of sexual offenses are intolerable, but THEY HAVE BEEN TOLERATED for pretty much all of human history. We’re trying to fix that in the present and for the future, but I’m old enough to remember the past, and to know that it’s a process. Equality is a generational goal, that long and hard road that’s always been bloodiest for the women of color who get hit twice over.

I want and expect the Democratic Party to lead the way on these societal changes — women of all colors are the backbone of this party, and we will make it happen. I also expect there to be a wide range of opinions among Democrats as to how to make it happen, and how much tolerance to grant someone who was a jerk in the past but is making an honest effort to learn. We’re Democrats, we don’t march in step! I still want due process because not all allegations are true, but they all deserve a hearing.

You’ve stated your position repeatedly, occasionally mentioning that it is your position, but you’ve phrased it consistently as concern about what ‘women voters’ will think or how ‘Democratic women’ will react. If you’re quoting women you know, then cite them; if you’re projecting what you think we will think, try asking us?

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CleverToad  Nov 27, 2017 • 12:44:01pm

re: #337 wrenchwench

It was not so long ago that Democrats were thinking about embiggening their tent by supporting candidates who do not support the right of all women to a legal, affordable abortion.

This is where I’m happy to be a purity pony, or whatever you call people who put their foot down on one issue. Free abortions for all who want them!!!

Pick your battles. Yeah, this is a good one.
I don’t expect all Dem candidates/officeholders to personally approve of abortion. I do expect ALL of them to protect the rights of all women to make their own choices.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2017 • 12:56:28pm

re: #345 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Like a moldy, old, skipping record.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 27, 2017 • 12:59:28pm

re: #353 Dizzy

We do “favours” not favors. We’ll consider it, but we can only invade in the summer once the snow has melted.

Get ready for poutine and Tim Horton’s.

Here in NW Pennsylvania I get a Horton’s breakfast sandwich at least twice a week on the way to work. BELT (bacon, egg, lettuce and tomato) on an everything bagel. They are great and right on my way into work.

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The Major  Nov 27, 2017 • 1:44:54pm

re: #108 wheat-dogg

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retired cynic  Nov 27, 2017 • 4:15:42pm

re: #364 CleverToad

Yay you!!!


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