Wednesday Night Minimalistic Funk: Maz, “Come on Sista”

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Maz Flips the Script, ep. 2
‘Come On Sista’

Filmed and produced by Amelie Marchier
Additional camera work by Jonathan Schwolsky

Recorded at Atlantic Sound Studios
Engineered by Diko Shoturma
Mixing Engineer - Nic Hard

Musicians:

Louis Cato - drums
David Cutler - bass
Justin Stanton - Rhodes
Bob Lanzetti - guitar
Mike Maher - vocals
Michelle Willis - vocals
Melany Watson - vocals

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458 comments

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The Major  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:06:37pm
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:40:16pm
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Kragar  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:40:46pm
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retired cynic  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:45:31pm

re: #3 Kragar

I was a clarinet major in college. I can’t say it was a living, but I did teach music for a few years before marrying a farmer. Look back on that time with great fondness!

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:46:46pm

Just another totally normal day in this modern hellscape we call America.

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retired cynic  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:49:07pm

re: #5 goddamnedfrank

Just another totally normal day in this modern hellscape we call America.

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Just locker room talk. Besides, it wasn’t really him. Fake news.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:50:09pm

Stuck at the end of the last thread after it had moved on.

re: #159 Hecuba’s daughter

I live in a Congressional district that was represented by old-style Republicans for decades: pro-choice, pro-environment. In 2006, we had a biracial Democratic challenger who hoped to win by bringing out the African American vote in the suburb of Waukegan. Despite substantial effort by the party, the vote was still low and the candidate lost in a close race. My sister who pollwatched in the district discovered that many of the residents actually did not have an official home; they lived with friends and did not know where they were registered to vote. We underestimate the effect of instability in the lives of the poor on their ability to participate in the political realm.

I don’t underestimate it. I was unable to vote at all from 1996-2008 due to homelessness. (I was married and secure again, but had not met the residency requirements to vote in the 2008 election.)

You can’t give your address as “my car” or “under the 11th Street Bridge” on a registration form.

For conservatives that is just fine. Better if you don’t own land, but you have to start rolling back voting rights somewhere.

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Kragar  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:52:20pm

re: #4 retired cynic

I was a clarinet major in college. I can’t say it was a living, but I did teach music for a few years before marrying a farmer. Look back on that time with great fondness!

She’s really into music. The clarinet is her main instrument, but she’s also been studying the oboe, guitar, and keyboard. She dabbled a bit with the French horn and bagpipes for a while, but dropped them because of schedule problems.

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allegro  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:54:53pm

re: #8 Kragar

She’s really into music. The clarinet is her main instrument, but she’s also been studying the oboe, guitar, and keyboard. She dabbled a bit with the French horn and bagpipes for a while, but dropped them because of schedule problems.

How is it going in the fundraising?

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retired cynic  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:55:28pm

re: #8 Kragar

She’s really into music. The clarinet is her main instrument, but she’s also been studying the oboe, guitar, and keyboard. She dabbled a bit with the French horn and bagpipes for a while, but dropped them because of schedule problems.

That’s wonderful. When I was in college, I decided I wasn’t dedicated enough to go for a solo career, so hit the music education path. For that, you have to be passable on everything (except guitar!), band and orchestra. That was a most enjoyable part of the whole experience.

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Kragar  Nov 29, 2017 • 10:59:18pm

re: #9 allegro

Slowly. We’re at about 20% right now. As long as I can earn a good part of it, I might be able to cut a deal with one of the local store and make a good down payment and get some trade in value for her old one. Student models are just a couple hundred, but the professional grade ones for $1.5k minimum, with some going as high $3-4k.

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retired cynic  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:01:35pm

re: #11 Kragar

Slowly. We’re at about 20% right now. As long as I can earn a good part of it, I might be able to cut a deal with one of the local store and make a good down payment and get some trade in value for her old one. Student models are just a couple hundred, but the professional grade ones for $1.5k minimum, with some going as high $3-4k.

Yep. Even though it was over 50 years ago, they weren’t cheap. I don’t know how my folks managed! Back then the tip top of the tree was to have a crystal mouthpiece. I loved mine!

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Kragar  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:05:43pm

re: #12 retired cynic

Yep. Even though it was over 50 years ago, they weren’t cheap. I don’t know how my folks managed! Back then the tip top of the tree was to have a crystal mouthpiece. I loved mine!

Our fallback is just to buy an upgraded top of the line mouthpiece for her old clarinet.

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retired cynic  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:07:46pm

re: #13 Kragar

Our fallback is just to buy an upgraded top of the line mouthpiece for her old clarinet.

Best wishes to her, and to you for being so serious about helping her!

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teleskiguy  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:18:37pm
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retired cynic  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:23:16pm

re: #15 teleskiguy

What if they find nothing there, and his supporters say they like it like that?

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:25:11pm

Wow, this guy who wrote a letter to my regional newspaper is probably going to be put on high-level blast around here. His last paragraph says he used to be a member of the National Rifle Organization, but left when they became full of hatred.

I am in agreement with all but one item of Michael Shelter’s letter in the Oct. 5, 2017, edition. Forget Congress. There are too many of them that are National Rifle Association members.

What must we do is to enforce the Second Amendment of our Constitution. Here it is in its entirety:

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Now, what is a “militia?”

“Militia includes all able-bodied men liable to be called into the armed forces in time of national emergency. The U.S. militia includes the Army National Guard, Marine Corps Reserve and Naval Reserve”

So, if you are not a member of one of those organizations, YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS! PERIOD! END OF DISCUSSION!

Now, I would allow long arms — that is, rifles and shotguns — but I would not allow the average citizen to own a handgun; that is, pistols. That includes revolvers and semi-automatics.

By the way, I was at one time a member of the National Rifle Association (NRA), but they became full of hatred. The NRA all but shouted against any person who thought the average citizen should not have handguns.

starherald.com

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teleskiguy  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:25:38pm

re: #16 retired cynic

What if they found some growth that affects his judgment and perception of reality, like a tumor on his frontal lobe?

Giphy

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retired cynic  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:28:19pm

re: #18 teleskiguy

What if they found some growth that affects his judgment and perception of reality, like a tumor on his frontal lobe?

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“They like it like that” still applies!

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retired cynic  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:31:41pm

Yow, it’s late here. I did not mean to stay up tonight. Morning will come too early!

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:34:49pm

re: #20 retired cynic

Yow, it’s late here. I did not mean to stay up tonight. Morning will come too early!

Hey, g’night then. We just got back from Cheyenne so I am on wind down mode after that long drive (monthly dine out group).

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teleskiguy  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:41:40pm

Look in the upper right corner of the picture, and then look for a bright white spot. Right below that, I’ve skied that!

Here’s a picture I took, looking down from the top.

Goddamn, that was over 10 years ago.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:57:36pm

re: #6 retired cynic

Just locker room talk. Besides, it wasn’t really him. Fake news.

but the threat is real!

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 29, 2017 • 11:59:22pm

re: #22 teleskiguy

Stunning mountain view.

Nope nope nope, not putting on boards with no brakes on my feet and pointing myself down a mountain. You do you, though.

Driving to Cheyenne tonight I had the first trouble ever driving in high winds. The wind was so high on I-80 near Pine Bluffs, Wyo. that the car was pushed in such a way the anti-skid system came on. (The only time that’s happened before is accelerating too fast on our sand streets, or on ice and snow.)

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:00:43am

Melanchthon was upset at what he perceived as the harshness of Luther’s tone toward Karlstadt, but, alas, very much of what Luther would write in the years hence would read like a modern-day late-night tweet storm.

yanno, really, i was attempting to escape the ugliness of the modern political scene by retreating into the reformation ferkrissakes

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:02:35am

re: #24 Anymouse 🌹

That group I was with, we all *hiked* up a neighboring couloir to get to that.

One of the most exciting places I’ve ever skied. We were purportedly the first paying customers to ski that chute.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:06:13am

re: #19 retired cynic

“They like it like that” still applies!

one thing his core supporters really really want is for trump to prove that being ignorant, childish, emotionally pathological, and mean is the way to succeed, and makes you superior to all those other people with their annoying “intelligence” and “emotional maturity”

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:08:25am

There is definitely something fucked up about this guy. When will all his victims step forward?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:10:07am

re: #28 The Vicious Babushka

There is definitely something fucked up about this guy. When will all his victims step forward?

I suspect that he also has trouble with the concept of “consent”. Obviously he sees “whore Mrs Santa outfits” as implied consent.

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:11:02am

re: #28 The Vicious Babushka

Skeletons in his vault.

+Q1Q3/sM370ceuKYbdgunh2crKTABHhtmI1if98xaQB+QN9Cz0oYw9n7SWgUNK7cmXZiYQONvYt/gMA8zzHrjhJenLcHcert

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:11:26am

re: #27 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

one thing his core supporters really really want is for trump to prove that being ignorant, childish, emotionally pathological, and mean is the way to succeed, and makes you superior to all those other people with their annoying “intelligence” and “emotional maturity”

Trumporrhoids call this obnoxious juvenile name-calling “punching back 10x harder”

“Your a poopy head!”

“Your a big bunch of poopy heads!”

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:12:43am

re: #29 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I suspect that he also has trouble with the concept of “consent”. Obviously he sees “whore Mrs Santa outfits” as implied consent.

He’s probably thinking of “slutty 4yo Halloween costumes” as implied consent.

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:23:33am

Here’s a bucket list thing for me, and it’s a plum. Sought by many, plucked by few.

Skiing in Hawaii.

Skiing Hawaii: Mauna Kea Ski Conditions

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:32:56am
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:41:26am

re: #28 The Vicious Babushka

There is definitely something fucked up about this guy. When will all his victims step forward?

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Guy who called Justice David Souter a child- and goat-molester says what?

Erick Erickson Hates It When You Mention Things He Says (goes to Gawker, with video)

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:48:42am
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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:56:15am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:06:56am

re: #38 Anymouse 🌹

So, just to be clear here, Alabama’s REPUBLICAN governor, Kay Ivey, signed into a law a bill passed by Alabama’s REPUBLICAN legislature that grants reformed felons the right to vote…

…and that’s somehow the DEMOCRAT’s fault?

Moore is not stupid, he knows this is totally legal and kosher, but he also knows that it will help fire up his base, and that is the key to winning a state like Alabama.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:18:03am

Geraldo Rivera Says Women “May Be Criminalizing Courtship” (goes to Huffington Post, more at the link, caution for auto-play video):

Do Websites run auto-play video on purpose to run up people who have data plan limits bills?

After longtime “Today” show host Matt Lauer was fired over allegations of sexual misconduct, Fox News commentator Geraldo Rivera defended him, claiming that women who come forward with their sexual harassment experiences “may be criminalizing courtship.”

Writing over Twitter on Wednesday that he feels “sad” about Lauer’s termination, Rivera called the host a “great guy” who was “empathetic [with] guests” and “a real gentleman.”

“News is a flirty business,” he continued, later adding: “How do we explain so many newsroom courtships that have led to happy marriages?”

“It seems like [the] current epidemic of #SexualHarassmentAllegations may be criminalizing courtship [and] conflating it [with] predation,” he wrote.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:19:19am

re: #40 Anymouse 🌹

Geraldo Rivera Says Women “May Be Criminalizing Courtship” (goes to Huffington Post, more at the link, caution for auto-play video):

So many guys seem to have trouble with the concept of “consent”.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:28:23am

re: #40 Anymouse 🌹

Geraldo Rivera Says Women “May Be Criminalizing Courtship” (goes to Huffington Post, more at the link, caution for auto-play video):

Do Websites run auto-play video on purpose to run up people who have data plan limits bills?

Speaking of dirty old men…….

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Targetpractice  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:55:20am

re: #39 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Moore is not stupid, he knows this is totally legal and kosher, but he also knows that it will help fire up his base, and that is the key to winning a state like Alabama.

Ayep, this is about getting the base to the polls. And when your entire line for weeks now has been that there’s a conspiracy to rob you of the election, saying that the other side is bringing in “illegal” voters is too good an opportunity to pass up. Even if it’s absolute bullshit, it’s bullshit that could be the difference between limping across the finish line or giving a concession speech in two weeks time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:59:54am

re: #44 Targetpractice

Ayep, this is about getting the base to the polls. And when your entire line for weeks now has been that there’s a conspiracy to rob you of the election, saying that the other side is bringing in “illegal” voters is too good an opportunity to pass up. Even if it’s absolute bullshit, it’s bullshit that could be the difference between limping across the finish line or giving a concession speech in two weeks time.

I will be surprised if he loses at this point. Between the cynics and the bigots, he will probably get a majority of votes.

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:05:07am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:11:23am

From the “not this shit again” files:

The head of Russia’s Orthodox Church is launching an investigation into whether the last Czar of Russia, Nicholas II, and his family were victims of a ritual murder carried out by angry Jews in 1918, Church leaders revealed in a statement Tuesday.

“A large share of the church commission members have no doubts that the murder was ritual,” Father Tikhon Shevkunov, the Orthodox bishop heading the panel, told The Associated Press.

Russia’s top investigative agency has also said it will conduct an independent probe into the theory.

newsweek.com (autoplay vid embedded at link)

FFS.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:16:41am

re: #47 Dr Lizardo

From the “not this shit again” files:

newsweek.com (autoplay vid embedded at link)

FFS.

I assume that they will also soon issue a Church-approved and annotated version of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:17:50am

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Single-handed sailor  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:21:24am

I just watched this excellent video called Always-Never: The Quest for Nuclear Safety, Control, and Survivability, which was produced in 2010 by the Sandia National Laboratories, the agency charged with ensuring that the US nuclear weapons stockpile remains safe and secure. (approximately 140 minutes)

Always/Never: The Quest for Safety, Control, and Survivability - Part 1

Note: If you need to disable a nuclear weapon, shoot it with a gun.

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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:29:01am

Rock Star Life.

Instagram

Rockin so dope.

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sagehen  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:33:01am

re: #40 Anymouse 🌹

Geraldo Rivera Says Women “May Be Criminalizing Courtship” (goes to Huffington Post, more at the link, caution for auto-play video):

Do Websites run auto-play video on purpose to run up people who have data plan limits bills?

As soon as I heard the announcement, that a complaint Monday evening resulted in a firing before start of business Tuesday… I knew there had to be significant evidence. No organization moves that quickly, especially against a highly-paid marquee staffer, unless they’ve got enough proof to know they can make an iron-clad case.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:43:48am

Off to work. And we got our first big snowstorm of the season; forecast for Moravian Silesia is between 8 to 12 cm of snow today. Winter is here.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:45:04am
Oops - and please send a picture of what you’re wearing, Joe.

Texas Republican Congressvarmint Smokey Joe Barton ain’t done yet. The nakkid pictures weren’t enough.

Now the Fort Worth Star-Telegram has some more stuff.

An Arlington woman has shared a series of private messages — some with sexual overtones — she exchanged with U.S. Rep. Joe Barton, a week after he apologized for texting a nude photo of himself to another woman.

The boy appears unable to learn from his mistakes.

The messages, which were obtained by the Star-Telegram on Wednesday, included a mix of politics and questions about whether she was “wearing a tank top only..and no panties.”

Barton and the woman exchanged the Facebook messages in 2012 and 2013 while Barton was still married to his second wife, Terri.

Oh Joe, you gotta go.
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sagehen  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:55:57am
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teleskiguy  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:02:31am

re: #22 teleskiguy

Here’s a picture of me (with the hat on) and one of my closest ski buddies (whom I haven’t skied with for years, long story, humans are weird) on the ascent to this narrow strip of steep snow to slide down.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:03:10am

MEN HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL, SEAN SPICER SAYS AFTER MATT LAUER’S FIRING Translation: Lest you, too, are victimized by power-crazed man-hating PC sex police who are lurking under every desk ready to pounce on the unwary.

Bullshit, Sean. It is EASY to avoid sexually harassing women. Don’t grab their bodies, don’t make remarks you’ve known were inappropriate since you were 11 years old, don’t pressure people for sex, start listening to your mother rather than the guys at the gym for a change.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:11:46am

I think we know what the “goods” on Lauer were now. He reportedly had a door lock button for his office installed under his desk and actually used it to initiate at least one sexual assault.

‘Hypocrite’ Matt Lauer fired from NBC News over inappropriate sexual behavior

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:19:56am

re: #53 Dr Lizardo

Off to work. And we got our first big snowstorm of the season; forecast for Moravian Silesia is between 8 to 12 cm of snow today. Winter is here.

We just got a dusting on the vineyards here on the Rhine

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wheat-dogg  Nov 30, 2017 • 4:38:19am

Tom Arnold is inviting hackers to hack, I guess.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 30, 2017 • 4:57:52am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 30, 2017 • 4:58:19am

re: #55 sagehen

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I tried listening to Prarie Home Companion once for 10 minutes. Put me to sleep faster than Sominex…

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wheat-dogg  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:01:34am

re: #63 Joe Bacon 🌹

I tried listening to Prarie Home Companion once for 10 minutes. Put me to sleep faster than Sominex…

The early years were pretty good. Keillor had not yet become a crotchety, long-winded senior citizen, the comedy sketches were passably funny, and the musical acts were usually quite good. But, like many any popular shows, APHC did not age well. I tried listening to it a couple of years ago, and could not take much more than 15 minutes.

Keillor also turned into an asshole somewhere along the line.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:08:27am

The bungling pissant was right here in the neighborhood yesterday. Probably hitting up all those senile zillionaires in Westlake and Preston Hollow for donations.

Project Veritas founder James O’Keefe to speak at SMU

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:09:58am

re: #65 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The bungling pissant was right here in the neighborhood yesterday. Probably hitting up all those senile zillionaires in Westlake and Preston Hollow for donations.

Project Veritas founder James O’Keefe to speak at SMU

Ah the little rentboy going to seduce some Republican sugar daddies…

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Dr. Matt  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:10:11am

Joe Scarborough just dropped a massive riff about the mental fitness of Trump. Wow. Every network should pick this up and replay it all day.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:13:26am

re: #64 wheat-dogg

The early years were pretty good. Keillor had not yet become a crotchety, long-winded senior citizen, the comedy sketches were passably funny, and the musical acts were usually quite good. But, like many any popular shows, APHC did not age well. I tried listening to it a couple of years ago, and could not take much more than 15 minutes.

Keillor also turned into an asshole somewhere along the line.

Yes, I read his semi-autobiographical novel “Wobegon Boy” that describes how and why he became one. It did really enjoy PHC back int he 80’s when I first started listening to it.

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Weaselone  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:21:20am

re: #67 Dr. Matt

Maybe they should have focused on that instead of Hillary’s emails and coughs during the election.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:25:07am

re: #1 The Major

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As a former Canadian, that’s really great news. When I lived there, Universities/colleges were subsidized so it didn’t cost an arm and leg to attend. Not sure if that’s the case now though.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:27:35am

re: #69 Weaselone

Maybe they should have focused on that instead of Hillary’s emails and coughs during the election.

Commenter 1: Donald Trump just insulted women, vets, minorities, and our allies.

Commenter 2: Yeah, that’s bad. But Hillary is deeply unpopular in the polls

Commenter 1: Very good point. Let’s spend the next 30 minutes discussing why Hillary is so unpopular.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:29:22am

re: #67 Dr. Matt

Joe Scarborough just dropped a massive riff about the mental fitness of Trump. Wow. Every network should pick this up and replay it all day.

Would have been nice if Joe hadn’t kissed Trump’s ass as much during the campaign!

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Dr. Matt  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:31:50am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:33:02am

re: #69 Weaselone

Maybe they should have focused on that instead of Hillary’s emails and coughs during the election.

They should have spent more time showing an empty podium waiting for DT to appear rather than report on a speech she was giving about improved job opportunities for the handicapped…

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:42:06am

re: #40 Anymouse 🌹

Geraldo Rivera Says Women “May Be Criminalizing Courtship” (goes to Huffington Post, more at the link, caution for auto-play video):

So is Geraldo next?

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William Lewis  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:46:04am

re: #50 Single-handed sailor

Note: If you need to disable a nuclear weapon, shoot it with a gun.

Rips up wiring and, more importantly damages the implosion explosives of the fission trigger?

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:47:18am
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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:48:19am

h/t Balloon Juice

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wheat-dogg  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:49:26am

re: #77 Belafon

What are you fucking doing Dave? Don’t fucking do that Dave, you shit hea—

Daisy, daisy, give me your answer do.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:49:43am

It took me a minute

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:51:57am

re: #28 The Vicious Babushka

There is definitely something fucked up about this guy. When will all his victims step forward?

“We never had abortions before sexy Halloween costumes!”

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:52:54am

Texas health regulators overrun by “several hundred” rats at Austin headquarters

There are several hundred rats in the Capitol, too, at least when the lege is in session.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:53:59am

Here’s the thing I want all the guys saying this is normal and acceptable behavior. Put the other shoe on. Imagine yourself being told by an older woman supervisor or superior, one who you’re not attracted to at all and simply want a business relationship with. Imagine constantly being told that the two of you should date, imagine being bought sex toys by them and being told you should use them on the purchaser, imagine being touched constantly when you don’t want to, etc. These are but many things a lot of women have had to deal with from male superiors.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:54:12am

re: #78 Belafon

Indeed. I’ve noticed the same thing ever since he took office. He sees something on F&F and immediately tweets about it, never stopping to consider he, as president, might have better information than they do. It’s like he is literally someone’s dotty old grandpa, and not the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth — so far anyway.

I still would like to believe that he never expected to win the office, and the election has him seriously disoriented, like a severely ADHD kid around too much stimuli.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:54:25am

re: #77 Belafon

Well fuck.

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:55:05am

re: #84 wheat-dogg

He could order them to turn that information over.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:55:34am

re: #78 Belafon

‪Dotard is ranting on Twitter about the “Deep State”. Wow. Just fucking wow. ‬

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sagehen  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:57:28am

re: #67 Dr. Matt

Joe Scarborough just dropped a massive riff about the mental fitness of Trump. Wow. Every network should pick this up and replay it all day.

If he’s trying to atone for the dozens of phone-in “interviews” he did with Trump during the primaries, with no tough questions… too little too late. One in particular I remember, he asked about his birth certificate claims, Trump said “oh, I don’t want to talk about that anymore”, Scarborough said “okay, what do you want to talk about?” and then Trump got the next ten minutes uninterrupted to talk about whatever the hell he wanted.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:58:56am

re: #86 Belafon

He could order them to turn that information over.

Thing is, he doesn’t want any information that contradicts his version of reality. That would be “fake news,” because Trump makes his own reality. A very messed up, contradictory reality subject to change at the drop of a hat. But his reality.

I cannot imagine what working for this maniac would be like. Nor can I imagine why anyone would want to, unless they all want to go down with the ship, too.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:59:10am

re: #81 Belafon

“We never had abortions before sexy Halloween costumes!”

Erick is such an idiot. And no jackass dressing “sexy” doesn’t rationalize harassment. By Erick’s logic, I’m being charitable here by calling it that, it’s okay to rob someone who flaunts their wealth. And I think Erick would find those feminists he hates have a big problem with “sexy” outfits for four year olds but he’s too busy being a dick.

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jeffreyw  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:59:19am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:59:27am

re: #87 Dr. Matt

‪Dotard is ranting on Twitter about the “Deep State”. Wow. Just fucking wow. ‬

when he finally gets run out of office, he will be celebrated by his supporters (and a lot of Russian bots) as a martyr to a Soros-funded, Obama-led Deep-State conspiracy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:59:51am

re: #83 HappyWarrior

Here’s the thing I want all the guys saying this is normal and acceptable behavior. Put the other shoe on. Imagine yourself being told by an older woman supervisor or superior, one who you’re not attracted to at all and simply want a business relationship with. Imagine constantly being told that the two of you should date, imagine being bought sex toys by them and being told you should use them on the purchaser, imagine being touched constantly when you don’t want to, etc. These are but many things a lot of women have had to deal with from male superiors.

I never thought that sort of behaviour was normal and acceptable. I’ve never done any of these things, and called them out when I observed them.

In the military, I treated the women assigned under me precisely the same as men (within the bounds of Navy regulations). On my village board (where women are the majority), I treat the women as “trustees” not objects of harassment or conquest.

I don’t touch anyone (male or female) without permission. (At dinner last night, I had a waitress constantly putting her hands on my shoulder and neck, which I found disconcerting from a random person I do not know.)

I really don’t understand that sort of thinking or behaviour.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:00:18am

re: #90 HappyWarrior

Erick is such an idiot. And no jackass dressing “sexy” doesn’t rationalize harassment. By Erick’s logic, I’m being charitable here by calling it that, it’s okay to rob someone who flaunts their wealth. And I think Erick would find those feminists he hates have a big problem with “sexy” outfits for four year olds but he’s too busy being a dick.

I suspect Erick thinks four-year-olds showing their bare legs is too sexy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:05:27am

re: #93 Anymouse 🌹

I never thought that sort of behaviour was normal and acceptable. I’ve never done any of these things, and called them out when I observed them.

I really don’t understand that sort of thinking or behaviour.

Really, my dad died when I was young, and I was left as the “man” of the house, together with my mom and older sister. I always looked on women as worthy of respect and deference, and would never think of forcing myself on a woman who was unresponsive.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:07:59am

re: #93 Anymouse 🌹

I never thought that sort of behaviour was normal and acceptable. I’ve never done any of these things, and called them out when I observed them.

In the military, I treated the women assigned under me precisely the same as men (within the bounds of Navy regulations). On my village board (where women are the majority), I treat the women as “trustees” not objects of harassment or conquest.

I don’t touch anyone (male or female) without permission. (At dinner last night, I had a waitress constantly putting her hands on my shoulder and neck, which I found disconcerting from a random person I do not know.)

I really don’t understand that sort of thinking or behaviour.

I really think this again goes back to a lack of empathy. You, me, and the other guys here. I think that’s something we understand but guys like this. I for one don’t get it. I want someone to enjoy my company. Why make them feel uncomfortable? Guess I’m being too logical again.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:08:27am

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Really, my dad died when I was young, and I was left as the “man” of the house, together with my mom and older sister. I always looked on women as worthy of respect and deference, and would never think of forcing myself on a woman who was unresponsive.

Same here. I just don’t get that others do that sort of thing. Every man has a mother, might have sisters or daughters, and I guarantee they would go ballistic if some random dude treated their mother or daughter like that. I don’t understand how they can’t extrapolate that to their own behaviour. Even as a child I could figure that out.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:08:32am

re: #94 wheat-dogg

I suspect Erick thinks four-year-olds showing their bare legs is too sexy.

Probably. The guy is a prude.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:09:39am

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹

Same here. I just don’t get that others do that sort of thing. Every man has a mother, might have sisters or daughters, and I guarantee they would go ballistic if some random dude treated their mother or daughter like that. I don’t understand how they can’t extrapolate that to their own behaviour. Even as a child I could figure that out.

That’s another thing. Don’t these guys have any empathy for what their sisters, moms, aunts, etc go through?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:10:45am

re: #78 Belafon

h/t Balloon Juice

He’s mad. The madness of King Dotard.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:13:11am

re: #99 HappyWarrior

That’s another thing. Don’t these guys have any empathy for what their sisters, moms, aunts, etc go through?

They might for their own families or close friends. “Who harassed you? I’ll go over and beat his ass.” Someone they don’t know? Well, that takes empathy for another’s feelings.

Thing is, I don’t even need empathy per se for that. “Do I want to be treated that way?” No. Therefore, I don’t treat others that way. It’s pretty simple. I really don’t understand how hard this is. It isn’t just culture (though that certainly plays a part). It doesn’t even have to be an overt determination to harass someone; just not thinking about “what I want to do.”

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:15:02am

re: #98 HappyWarrior

Probably. The guy is a prude.

I was thinking that Erick might be in the same way Moore is, but your idea works, too.

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Anymouse 🌹  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:15:42am

The sun is up. That’s my cue for bed. Catch y’all later… .

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:20:14am

re: #102 Belafon

I was thinking that Erick might be in the same way Moore is, but your idea works, too.

I dunno about that but he doth protest often.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:20:50am
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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:22:15am

re: #77 Belafon

Scientists had to delete Urban Dictionary’s data from the memory of IBM’s Watson, because it was learning to swear in its answers.

you get to a point where only certain words will work….

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:24:06am

re: #101 Anymouse 🌹

They might for their own families or close friends. “Who harassed you? I’ll go over and beat his ass.” Someone they don’t know? Well, that takes empathy for another’s feelings.

Thing is, I don’t even need empathy per se for that. “Do I want to be treated that way?” No. Therefore, I don’t treat others that way. It’s pretty simple. I really don’t understand how hard this is. It isn’t just culture (though that certainly plays a part). It doesn’t even have to be an overt determination to harass someone; just not thinking about “what I want to do.”

Yeah real empathy. I notice it’s lacking even in conservatives I may personally like. My one wingnut friend’s lack of empathy is really why I can’t talk politics with him. Consequently, it’s why I can with my brother who is to my left ideologically speaking. The one can’t put himself in anyone else’s shoes, the other can.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:24:21am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:25:12am

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

I bet Moore will flip his shit over that.

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:25:58am

re: #106 dangerman

you get to a point where only certain words will work….

“I have access to the entire curse word library!” - Anger

If I wasn’t at work, I’d post the clip from Inside Out.

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sagehen  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:27:29am

theatlantic.com

An 11th-Hour Raid by the Wealthiest Baby Boomers
The Republican tax plan would stick young people with the bill, right as political influence is shifting to America’s diverse younger generations.

The baby boom is being evicted from the penthouse of American politics. And on the way out, it has decided to trash the place.

That’s probably the best way to understand the generational implications of the tax legislation Republicans are driving through Congress.

The House and Senate measures shower enormous benefits on households at the top of the economic ladder, a group that by all indications is older and whiter than the population overall. Then it hands the bill for those benefits largely to younger generations, who will pay through more federal debt; less spending on programs that could benefit them; and, eventually, higher taxes.

(snip)

Measured as a share of the economy, Washington today is spending nearly the lowest amount ever recorded on the domestic discretionary programs that invest in the productivity of future generations, such as education and advanced scientific research. By adding a projected $1.5 trillion to the federal debt, the tax bills will increase the pressure for further cuts. Compounding the effect, the bills would eliminate the deductibility of state and local income taxes; that will make it more difficult for those jurisdictions to raise revenue at a time when they are already retrenching their investments in education.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:28:54am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:30:06am

re: #106 dangerman

you get to a point where only certain words will work….

and context: you can prick your finger, but don’t finger your prick!

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:30:41am

re: #109 HappyWarrior

I bet Moore will flip his shit over that.

For a guy that was such an insistent fan of the classic Biblical Ten Commandments, he sure has compliance issues. Protest too much etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:31:23am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:31:38am

re: #114 Unshaken Defiance

For a guy that was such an insistent fan of the classic Biblical Ten Commandments, he sure has compliance issues. Protest too much etc.

Yep.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:32:10am

Hey about Watson and the Urban Dictionary. Do you suppose any of our great pun threads are in there? Ponder the possibilities.

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sagehen  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:33:52am

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Celine Dion’s husband was 25 years older than her; he’d been her manager since she was 12. They both swore he’d never touched her until she was of age, but I think they lied.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:34:07am

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They do realize that they’re using the same logic that Islamists use to justify marrying off girls at an early age. I’m 30 and single. I have a sixteen year old brother. I’ve seen and met some of the girls he knows. Never ever has it crossed my mind that I should be trying to date those girls.

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lawhawk  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:35:18am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area.

Trump’s still pushing the insane tax scheme that the GOP is determined to pass at any cost - no matter how much it dumps on the middle class.

The JCT savages the proposals, which shows that the middle class gets screwed while the benefits flow to a select few and corporations.

The GOP really had to try very hard to find a bill that screws over the very people they claim it would help most. Actually, all they did was put together their wishlist of tax schemes to redistribute wealth to the rich and claim that it’s a middle class tax cut.

It isn’t. It ends up screwing everyone but the rich.

But wait, there’s more.

The Administration continues claiming that Trump will see higher taxes as a result of this proposal. That’s still completely bullshit since we know with absolute certainty that most of Trump’s businesses are operated as passthrough entities.

That means that the income passes through to the owner of the entity and they pay tax on it at their tax rate. Since Trump owns these businesses, he would be taxed at the 39.6% rate as it currently stands. If the passthrough income is taxed at 20 or 25%, then the tax cut to Trump is a 19.6 point or 14.6 point drop - he’d stand to see his taxes cut by nearly half. That doesn’t even touch the estate tax nonsense - which Trump doesn’t pay, but his estate would benefit from (therefor his spawn benefits from the repeal).

All the GOP does is lie about all of this, and they are impervious to facts or math.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:35:47am

My dad is eight years older than my mom but she was in her 20’s when they met. It just astounds me to see conservatives bending over backwards to justify Moore’s creepy and yes criminal behavior because he’s one of their own.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:40:12am

Well, look at who’s trying to do a tacky Brenda Lee impersonation…

Whorealdo!

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:40:32am

re: #120 lawhawk

All the GOP does is lie about all of this, and they are impervious to facts or math.

your analysis, as usual is spot on.

wrt this last sentence, the first clause is true
the second that they are persuadable or even care. they do not.

why everyone in the media (ok not everyone) doesnt simply use the words “lie”, “liar” and “liars” over and over and over ad nauseum is beyond me.

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William Lewis  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:40:45am

My father was 7 years older when they met but mom was 18 & had graduated High School and they worked at the same hospital (she was clerical, he was in the laundry).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:42:12am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:42:27am

re: #124 William Lewis

My father was 7 years older when they met but mom was 18 & had graduated High School and they worked at the same hospital (she was clerical, he was in the laundry).

And I’m willing to bet your Dad never was banned from a mall either for harassing the high school girls either. Funny thing though? Both my grandmothers were older than my grandfathers. Not significantly though.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:42:58am

re: #123 dangerman

why everyone in the media (ok not everyone) doesnt simply use the words “lie”, “liar” and “liars” over and over and over ad nauseum is beyond me.

Presstitutes overused those words when it came to Hillary!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:43:09am
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makeitstop  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:43:21am

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

Members of the British Parliament calling on PM Theresa May to cancel Trump’s planned state visit next year after he retweets 3 anti-Muslim videos.

Someone here called this last night

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:43:27am

re: #119 HappyWarrior

They do realize that they’re using the same logic that Islamists use to justify marrying off girls at an early age. I’m 30 and single. I have a sixteen year old brother. I’ve seen and met some of the girls he knows. Never ever has it crossed my mind that I should be trying to date those girls.

in a sense, none of these “arguments” matter

there was no consent wrt the 14 yo, and i dont believe with the “older” ones either

these were not mutual, chosen, desirably pursued by both parties “relationships”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:43:42am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:49:57am

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So let me get this straight, the administration that brought the world “fake news” is okay with actual fakery as long as it justifies their narrative. Wait what? Do any of you know of Professor Timothy Snyder? Professor Snyder is a European history professor at Yale who has written extensively about authoritarianism and such. I’ve been listening to his lectures he’s given as I try to fall asleep at night and the things he talks about with regards to authoritarianism really come up in this administration every day.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:50:14am

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

President Meowgrabber will do as Bob Cesca asks right after FAUX and FIENDS finishes up!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:53:48am

re: #132 HappyWarrior

So let me get this straight, the administration that brought the world “fake news” is okay with actual fakery as long as it justifies their narrative.

There are Higher Truths and the Higher Truth here is that America is under assault from Islam and it must be stopped at all cost.

/

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William Lewis  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:54:44am

re: #126 HappyWarrior

And I’m willing to bet your Dad never was banned from a mall either for harassing the high school girls either. Funny thing though? Both my grandmothers were older than my grandfathers. Not significantly though.

And not someone with any authority over each other. I tend to believe that consent laws could be more flexible than they are but because there are so many just waiting to abuse those laws, what we have (using WI as a model) now remains for the best.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:54:50am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:55:36am

And now he’s going to replace the Putinista at State with another asshole.

Not only that, he’s proving he’s out of his fucking COTTON picking mind with who he will put in at the CIA…

The White House has developed a plan to force out Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson, whose relationship with President Trump has been strained, and replace him with Mike Pompeo, the C.I.A. director, within the next several weeks, senior administration officials said on Thursday.

Mr. Pompeo would be replaced at the C.I.A. by Senator Tom Cotton, a Republican from Arkansas who has been a key ally of the president on national security matters, according to the White House plan. Mr. Cotton has signaled that he would accept the job if offered, said the officials, who insisted on anonymity to discuss sensitive deliberations before decisions are announced.

nytimes.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:55:58am

re: #134 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are Higher Truths and the Higher Truth here is that America is under assault from Islam and it must be stopped at all cost.

/

Oh I know. I just love how blatantly two faced these assholes are.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:56:43am

re: #135 William Lewis

And not someone with any authority over each other. I tend to believe that consent laws could be more flexible than they are but because there are so many just waiting to abuse those laws, what we have (using WI as a model) now remains for the best.

again, imagine the outcry if it were a 35-year-old Mullah marrying a 15-year-old

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lawhawk  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:57:00am

re: #130 dangerman

in a sense, none of these “arguments” matter

there was no consent wrt the 14 yo, and i dont believe with the “older” ones either

these were not mutual, chosen, desirably pursued by both parties “relationships”

There can be no consent given by a 14 year old. By law.

It’s statutory rape in AL to engage in sexual acts with a 14 year old. Moore is a sex predator who chose high school girls who were easily intimidated into acts. He could then cover up because he was in position of power.

He still is.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:57:07am

re: #137 Joe Bacon 🌹

And now he’s going to replace the at state with another asshole.

Not only that, he’s proving he’s out of his fucking COTTON picking mind with who he will put in at the CIA…

The White House has developed a plan to force out Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson, whose relationship with President Trump has been strained, and replace him with Mike Pompeo, the C.I.A. director, within the next several weeks, senior administration officials said on Thursday.

Mr. Pompeo would be replaced at the C.I.A. by Senator Tom Cotton, a Republican from Arkansas who has been a key ally of the president on national security matters, according to the White House plan. Mr. Cotton has signaled that he would accept the job if offered, said the officials, who insisted on anonymity to discuss sensitive deliberations before decisions are announced.

nytimes.com

You know as bad as Tillerson is. Pompeo would be even worse. And Cotton at CIA?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:57:34am

re: #139 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, imagine the outcry if it were a 35-year-old Mullah marrying a 15-year-old

Or a 32 year old man going after one of their 14 year old sons.

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sagehen  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:58:23am

re: #132 HappyWarrior

professor at Yale who has written extensively about authoritarianism and such. I’ve been listening to his lectures he’s given as I try to fall asleep at night and the things he talks about with regards to authoritarianism really come up in this administration every day.

Does not sound like material that would ease you into a good night’s sleep…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 6:59:07am

re: #135 William Lewis

And not someone with any authority over each other. I tend to believe that consent laws could be more flexible than they are but because there are so many just waiting to abuse those laws, what we have (using WI as a model) now remains for the best.

Right, I don’t believe in punishing the 18 year old high school senior who is intimate with their 16 year old sophomore or junior SO. Context does matter here. Moore was a grown ass man who had authority over these young women.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:00:03am

re: #111 sagehen

From the article:

the irony is that older, white America needs more of younger, diverse America to ascend into the middle class so it can generate the tax revenue to support the baby boom’s retirement.

It’s not like the baby boom generation hasn’t been paying into the system for their whole lives.

This is a gem from the article:

Compounding the effect, the bills would eliminate the deductibility of state and local income taxes

Because young people can do that, if they own a house, which they probably don’t. Like it or not, the youth will be paying for medicare and social security for the baby boomers. It’s going to be a big bill.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:01:01am

re: #143 sagehen

Does not sound like material that would ease you into a good night’s sleep…

Heh, it’s not but i like listening to lectures. I sometimes listen to old baseball games too. Professor Snyder’s big book is Bloodlands though. I’m going to read it this winter. It’s interesting because a lot of his work is obviously a much more detailed version of what I focused on as an undergrad-modern European history and nationalism. My studies in nationalism as well as personal forays into genealogy are a big part of why I’m adamantly against racism.

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:01:30am

re: #137 Joe Bacon 🌹

And now he’s going to replace the Putinista at State with another asshole.

Not only that, he’s proving he’s out of his fucking COTTON picking mind with who he will put in at the CIA…

The White House has developed a plan to force out Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson, whose relationship with President Trump has been strained, and replace him with Mike Pompeo, the C.I.A. director, within the next several weeks, senior administration officials said on Thursday.

Mr. Pompeo would be replaced at the C.I.A. by Senator Tom Cotton, a Republican from Arkansas who has been a key ally of the president on national security matters, according to the White House plan. Mr. Cotton has signaled that he would accept the job if offered, said the officials, who insisted on anonymity to discuss sensitive deliberations before decisions are announced.

nytimes.com

its amazing (ok its not) what a small and shrinking pool of “talent” they have to draw on

theyre shuffling the same people around
they’e giving people two and more ‘jobs’

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lawhawk  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:03:25am
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makeitstop  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:05:44am

re: #147 dangerman

its amazing (ok its not) what a small and shrinking pool of “talent” they have to draw on

theyre shuffling the same people around
they’e giving people two and more ‘jobs’

Jared’s already kinda busy.
/

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:10:28am

re: #141 HappyWarrior

You know as bad as Tillerson is. Pompeo would be even worse. And Cotton at CIA?

How would Pompeo be worse?

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makeitstop  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:12:56am

A little morning Game Theory from Rick Wilson.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:14:23am

Teen has undergone 50 surgeries to look like Angelina Jolie

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Don’t click on it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:16:04am

re: #8 Kragar

She’s really into music. The clarinet is her main instrument, but she’s also been studying the oboe, guitar, and keyboard. She dabbled a bit with the French horn and bagpipes for a while, but dropped them because of schedule problems.

Good luck. I’m spending $900 on a flute for my daughter.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:17:12am

re: #151 makeitstop

1/ Said beginning that Donald Trump cannot be impeached. I still believe it to be a *political* impossibility. The numbers aren’t there. Mueller could produce a video of Trump giving Putin a lapdance for a sack of cash and promising the launch codes and it still won’t happen.

There are more than enough grounds with Mueller providing anything: conflict of interest, obstruction of justice, emoluments clause, but the political will is lacking.

That will only change when the GOP starts to see Trump as as a threat to their grasp on power and that has not happened yet

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makeitstop  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:17:53am

LOL

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:18:14am

DJIA Over 24,000

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:19:03am

re: #155 makeitstop

the threat is realz!

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:19:55am

re: #39 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Moore is not stupid, he knows this is totally legal and kosher, but he also knows that it will help fire up his base, and that is the key to winning a state like Alabama.

Nothing gets Bama’s white voters riled up like the threat that ni-CLANGS! are being registered to vote!

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Sea Mexican!  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:20:57am

re: #154 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are more than enough grounds with Mueller providing anything: conflict of interest, obstruction of justice, emoluments clause, but the political will is lacking.

That will only change when the GOP starts to see Trump as as a threat to their grasp on power and that has not happened yet

Maybe a failure to pass the horrendous tax bill will be enough to convince some Republicans to jump ship.

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plansbandc  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:21:01am

re: #80 I Would Prefer Not To

Damn it!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:21:43am

re: #159 Sea Mexican!

Maybe a failure to pass the horrendous tax bill will be enough to convince some Republicans to jump ship.

nothing less than serious losses in 2018 will do that, but I do not see that coming

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Sea Mexican!  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:22:50am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

nothing less than serious losses in 2018 will do that, but I do not see that coming

I’m trying to be optimistic!

You are right. Unless the Rs suffer deep losses on 2018 and 2020, nothing will change.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:24:58am

re: #47 Dr Lizardo

From the “not this shit again” files:

newsweek.com (autoplay vid embedded at link)

FFS.

That is ominous. Is Putin laying the groundwork for 21st century pogroms?

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Weaselone  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:25:47am

re: #160 plansbandc

Damn it!

Is there another image of a Khaaandy Cane?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:26:41am

re: #163 Big Beautiful Door

That is ominous. Is Putin laying the groundwork for 21st century pogroms?

at least for a 21st Century Russian Othodox theocracy.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:27:11am

re: #150 Belafon

How would Pompeo be worse?

He’s a Trump loyalist all the way.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:29:12am

re: #155 makeitstop

LOL

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Islamic Pigeon law.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:29:15am

re: #67 Dr. Matt

Joe Scarborough just dropped a massive riff about the mental fitness of Trump. Wow. Every network should pick this up and replay it all day.

I haven’t reviewed all the threads from yesterday. Is there video of Trump awkwardly drifting off of tax cuts to rambling about “little rocket man?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:30:28am
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Interesting Times  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:30:43am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

nothing less than serious losses in 2018 will do that, but I do not see that coming

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:31:45am

re: #75 Hecuba’s daughter

So is Geraldo next?

If his idea of “courtship” is locking your door, exposing yourself to the staff or giving them sex toys and demanding sex acts, then yes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:32:04am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:32:23am

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This looks to be pretty serious. The Brits aren’t happy about this at all.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:33:02am

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Mayor Khan is going to be attacked for this by Eric and Don Jr in 3…..2…..1.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:33:15am

when even Jonah is appalled:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:33:39am

On the other hand, Trump may be uniting the British people- EU supporters and EU skeptics both against him.

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makeitstop  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:33:44am

re: #159 Sea Mexican!

Maybe a failure to pass the horrendous tax bill will be enough to convince some Republicans to jump ship.

The two outcomes I see in the aftermath of the tax bill:

1. It passes, and once any Republican with half a brain realizes that they were snowed and what meager quality of life they currently enjoy changes drastically for the worse, the GOP will face electoral slaughter.

2. It doesn’t pass, and all that sweet oligarch donation money dries up within hours, putting the GOP at a severe fundraising disadvantage, leading to an electoral slaughter due to lack of campaign funds.

I’ve been saying for a long time that the GOP has painted themselves into the Mother of All Corners by even attempting this shit. If the tax bill does not become law, the dirty-money foundation of the modern GOP will be blown to dust.

And that may be the marginally better outcome.

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:34:12am

re: #8 Kragar

She’s really into music. The clarinet is her main instrument, but she’s also been studying the oboe, guitar, and keyboard. She dabbled a bit with the French horn and bagpipes for a while, but dropped them because of schedule problems.

Point her at Finale Notepad. She can write her own music. The free version only allows four instruments on a score, but it’s a great place to start. If she enjoys it and uses it, the ~$120 version allows 24 instruments.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:35:01am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

when even Jonah is appalled:

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The whole Moore thing came close to home for Jonah IIRC. He’s got a daughter around that age. He’s still an asshole but there’s something resembling a human being there it seems. It still won’t stop him and NRO from being generally awful people though.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:35:14am

re: #93 Anymouse 🌹

I never thought that sort of behaviour was normal and acceptable. I’ve never done any of these things, and called them out when I observed them.

In the military, I treated the women assigned under me precisely the same as men (within the bounds of Navy regulations). On my village board (where women are the majority), I treat the women as “trustees” not objects of harassment or conquest.

I don’t touch anyone (male or female) without permission. (At dinner last night, I had a waitress constantly putting her hands on my shoulder and neck, which I found disconcerting from a random person I do not know.)

I really don’t understand that sort of thinking or behaviour.

Congratulations, you are not an entitled prick!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:35:22am

re: #176 HappyWarrior

On the other hand, Trump may be uniting the British people- EU supporters and EU skeptics both against him.

basically everyone in the UK except the skinheads

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:38:44am

re: #181 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

basically everyone in the UK except the skinheads

The right wing ones anyhow.

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:39:15am

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Britain to us:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:44:19am
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Citizen K  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:44:29am

re: #176 HappyWarrior

On the other hand, Trump may be uniting the British people- EU supporters and EU skeptics both against him.

I mean, it’s pretty clear that pretty much only Israel, Russia, and maybe the Philippines are the only countries that are actually behind Trump (and in Russia’s case, in more cases than one).

It’s small comfort for those who see the train wreck for what it is and seem powerless to stop it.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:44:50am

re: #141 HappyWarrior

You know as bad as Tillerson is. Pompeo would be even worse. And Cotton at CIA?

Tom Cotton is one of the few people in the Senate I would describe as actually evil. Not just wrong, but malicious and actively malevolent.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:45:32am

So is there another allegation against Al Franken? I thought I saw something when I was skimming news boards this morning.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:46:16am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:46:53am

re: #186 Scottish Dragon

Tom Cotton is one of the few people in the Senate I would describe as actually evil. Not just wrong, but malicious and actively malevolent.

Yeah he’s Dick Cheney on roids.

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:47:47am

re: #188 FormerDirtDart

That was talked about yesterday. The NYT was following GOTV people.

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Citizen K  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:47:48am
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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:50:35am

re: #152 Shropshire Slasher

miK4EmIzG9tDNFRXbqP8JT9HfEDEWCEJ

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Interesting Times  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:51:14am

re: #188 FormerDirtDart

Moar vindication for Anymouse :/ WTF is wrong with the Dem establishment’s ability to get it the fuck together??

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:51:15am

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

So is there another allegation against Al Franken? I thought I saw something when I was skimming news boards this morning.

yes, it turns out that he has a history of cruising shopping malls and seducing 14-year-olds…

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:52:16am

re: #193 Interesting Times

Moar vindication for Anymouse :/ WTF is wrong with the Dem establishment’s ability to get it the fuck together??

perhaps some very sophisticated deep-south-state ratfucking going on here?

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Lidane  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:55:29am

On today’s episode of Terrible Arguments for a Candidate, we find The Federalist saying that Roy Moore preying on teens was okay because that’s how you get larger families:

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Citizen K  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:57:03am

I’m exhausted.

Like has been said before, it seems like the continuing standard is ‘we have to be lucky every time, they just have to get lucky once’, and that once seems to be coming now, with this tax bill combining every single fucking unicorn the GOP ever wanted and baking it in for a generation at the least, with no fucking stopping it whatsoever anymore.

And they’ll happily clink their champagne glasses together while the rest of the nation burns, and half of that rest of the nation blames Dems for being godless minority-coddling race traitors or some shit.

I. Fucking. Hate. This. Country.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:57:51am

re: #196 Lidane

On today’s episode of Terrible Arguments for a Candidate, we find The Federalist saying that Roy Moore preying on teens was okay because that’s how you get larger families:

Funny. My grandfather’s parents were both over 18, his mom in fact was older than his dad and they still managed to have a big family without pedophila.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 7:59:46am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:01:27am

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump’s own card from his organization had “Happy Holidays” in it. It’s so pathetically hilarious seeing him pandering to this shit.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:02:46am

re: #195 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

perhaps some very sophisticated deep-south-state ratfucking going on here?

There are essentially two Dem parties in Alabama. Helps explain their success.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:04:23am

re: #124 William Lewis

My father was 7 years older when they met but mom was 18 & had graduated High School and they worked at the same hospital (she was clerical, he was in the laundry).

Nothing wrong with that. I had a date with a 19 year old when I was about 26. We had both joined a dating service (pre-internet) and she was one of the potential matches I was sent, so it wasn’t like I was trolling the Mall for high schoolers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:05:14am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:06:12am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:06:53am

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Simply put, vote for the Republican even if he likes little girls. Ted Bundy was in the GOP 40 years too late.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:07:52am

I got an email from Bernie Sanders asking me to fight the mad tax plan. We wouldn’t be in this mess if not for Sanders!

Dear MoveOn member,

Throughout my political career, I have asked us all to imagine what our nation’s future could be: a country with a minimum wage that is a living wage; with students graduating college without crushing debt that stifles their ability to pursue their dreams; where health care is recognized as a right for every man, woman, and child; and where we lead other nations in the fight against climate change.

I have asked us to believe that we could level the playing field and create a vibrant democracy where the billionaire class would no longer be able to buy and sell our candidates and elections.

I will always believe in that vision of America—even as I watch Republicans try to pass a tax scam that is literally the opposite agenda of what you and I have championed over the years.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:09:20am
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whitebeach  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:09:59am

re: #186 Scottish Dragon

Tom Cotton is one of the few people in the Senate I would describe as actually evil. Not just wrong, but malicious and actively malevolent.

Tom Cotton is an Arkansas version of Joe McCarthy just hitting his stride. Picture McCarthy as CIA director. You will probably need a strong drink to get through this. I know I do.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:11:33am

re: #206 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I got an email from Bernie Sanders asking me to fight the mad tax plan. We wouldn’t be in this mess if not for Sanders!

I get annoyed whenever I see CNN. They’re adveritisng a primo for him and his “debates.” I just wish he would stop grandstanding already.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:12:01am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:12:16am

re: #208 whitebeach

Tom Cotton is an Arkansas version of Joe McCarthy just hitting his stride. Picture McCarthy as CIA director. You will probably need a strong drink to get through this. I know I do.

It’s my understanding Cotton’s got his eye on the big house eventually. He’s still a fairly young guy too.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:12:53am

re: #148 lawhawk

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Corker and Johnson were both yes in Committee. I’m pretty sure that the Senate bill will pass. Then the question will be if the reconciled bill can pass both Houses. The donors have made it pretty clear that this is the price for continued monetary support for the GOP.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:13:07am

re: #38 Anymouse 🌹

Nothing racist about Moore’s tweet. No siree bob.

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Teukka  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:13:14am

re: #163 Big Beautiful Door

That is ominous. Is Putin laying the groundwork for 21st century pogroms?

Yes?

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:15:32am

re: #152 Shropshire Slasher

Teen has undergone 50 surgeries to look like Angelina Jolie

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Don’t click on it.

I clicked!
Good God, I hope that’s a photoshop!

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:15:50am

re: #193 Interesting Times

Moar vindication for Anymouse :/ WTF is wrong with the Dem establishment’s ability to get it the fuck together??

1. People who aren’t paying attention can’t actually be the Democrats fault.
2. The NYT was following people going door to door to tell them there was an election going on. So the party is doing GOTV.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:17:16am

re: #152 Shropshire Slasher

Teen has undergone 50 surgeries to look like Angelina Jolie

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Don’t click on it.

Why did I click? WHY???

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:19:40am

re: #217 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You know the milk has gone bad, but you gotta take a whiff. For the young ladies sake, I really hope that was photo shopped and or bad lighting.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:20:48am

re: #73 Dr. Matt

Stay safe, Tom.

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Interesting Times  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:21:16am

re: #216 Belafon

1. People who aren’t paying attention can’t actually be the Democrats fault.
2. The NYT was following people going door to door to tell them there was an election going on. So the party is doing GOTV.

I meant the state party’s apparent refusal to help the Jones campaign. This isn’t the first time a candidate has complained about lack of support from Dem infrastructure (though in that case, it’s the DNC being accused of not helping the state party).

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:22:23am

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

So is there another allegation against Al Franken? I thought I saw something when I was skimming news boards this morning.

Yes, unfortunately. Another groping and another unwanted kissing.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:25:07am

re: #221 Big Beautiful Door

Yup. 2003 USO tour.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:25:49am

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Trump will take the bait, that goes without saying.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:28:41am

re: #216 Belafon

1. People who aren’t paying attention can’t actually be the Democrats fault.
2. The NYT was following people going door to door to tell them there was an election going on. So the party is doing GOTV.

And the NYT focused on a group of ten people who didn’t know the election was going on. I’m sorry but while the Democratic Party deserves criticism in some areas, I think they’re actually doing a good job in this race.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:29:03am

re: #152 Shropshire Slasher

Teen has undergone 50 surgeries to look like Angelina Jolie

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Don’t click on it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:29:06am

re: #221 Big Beautiful Door

Yes, unfortunately. Another groping and another unwanted kissing.

I like Al but I think it’s time to go.

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Citizen K  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:30:16am

I. Hate. Everything.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:30:21am

re: #222 GlutenFreeJesus

Yup. 2003 USO tour.

Also a 2006 event in New Hampshire.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:31:44am

re: #220 Interesting Times

I meant the state party’s apparent refusal to help the Jones campaign. This isn’t the first time a candidate has complained about lack of support from Dem infrastructure (though in that case, it’s the DNC being accused of not helping the state party).

Don’t know why the state party would be doing that. But I can tell you here in Virginia, there is a lot of cooperation between the local and state party. And that’s really why we nearly took the state legislature here. A lot of good lessons can be learned from the Virginia Democratic Party’s experience this year. Perriello was the most gracious losing candidate I’ve ever seen. He went to bat not only for Northam but other candidtes in the state.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:32:55am

re: #227 Citizen K

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I. Hate. Everything.

So sick of this shit.

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Skip Intro  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:33:09am

re: #147 dangerman

its amazing (ok its not) what a small and shrinking pool of “talent” they have to draw on

theyre shuffling the same people around
they’e giving people two and more ‘jobs’

It all comes down to who has signed a loyalty oath to trump in blood.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:33:11am

re: #228 Big Beautiful Door

Also a 2006 event in New Hampshire.

Jesus Al.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:33:44am

You know, I have heard some people say that Al’s not really the most pleasant guy off camera but still, you expect better.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:35:24am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:37:26am

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is a guy who also told women who get sexually harassed at work that they should just quit. There’s something deeply wrong with this entire family and I hope for Barron’s sake, he turns out to be a better man than his father and brothers but I don’t have much hope. I am still rooting for it though.

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:37:30am

re: #231 Skip Intro

It all comes down to who has signed a loyalty oath the trump in blood.

absolutely correct
we’re not even talking (mere) competence here

it’s only about loyalty from that tiny pool of people willing to work for and be permanently associated with this administration

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:40:51am
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gocart mozart  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:41:27am

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:41:38am
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Teukka  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:42:46am

Finnish court bans Neo-Nazi movement | Yle Uutiset yle.fi

Pirkanmaa District Court has banned the Nordic Resistance Movement (Finnish acronym PVL), a Neo-Nazi organisation with links to similar groups elsewhere in the Nordic countries. The organisation has been disbanded as it ‘flagrantly violated the principles of good practice’, according to the court.

Although it was not a legally constituted association, the police viewed it as an ideologically driven, unregistered association.

The court ruled that it was a violent group that exhorted followers and members to violent acts. The court said that the group was not entitled to freedom of speech protections as its actions violated the human rights of others.

Last year a member, Jesse Torniainen, was sentenced to two years in jail for an aggravated assault at a demonstration in Helsinki. The victim later died in hospital although the court in that case did not agree with prosecutors that his death was down to the injuries sustained in the assault.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:43:12am

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:44:16am

re: #237 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This as opposed to Reince Preibus who not only kept on cheering on Trump after Access Hollywood but became his Chief of Staff.

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Skip Intro  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:45:16am

John McCain fails again.

John McCain Announces Support For ‘Far From Perfect’ Tax Reform Bill

It is good enough to make his beer baron wife a few million in tax breaks though.

huffingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:46:12am

re: #243 Skip Intro

John McCain fails again.

John McCain Announces Support For ‘Far From Perfect’ Tax Reform Bill

It is good enough to make his beer baron wife a few million in tax breaks though.

huffingtonpost.com

I wish I could be surprised but I ain’t. That’s McCain’s career in politics defined.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:46:28am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:46:45am

And yes Conyers should absolutely resign.

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Citizen K  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:48:25am
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:49:45am

re: #235 HappyWarrior

This is a guy who also told women who get sexually harassed at work that they should just quit. There’s something deeply wrong with this entire family and I hope for Barron’s sake, he turns out to be a better man than his father and brothers but I don’t have much hope. I am still rooting for it though.

It will be difficult as he is being raised in an environment of absolute privilege and zero accountability.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:49:51am

re: #247 Citizen K

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That’s absolutely right unfortunately.

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Skip Intro  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:51:10am

I was big on Franken resigning because his seat would be filled with another Democrat. Then yesterday someone mentioned that McConnell would do everything is his power to refuse to seat Franken’s replacement, and I realized the poster was right.

So I am now on board with the Franken should stay crowd.

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blueraven  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:51:16am

wow guys, an unwanted kiss that landed on the cheek of a woman and she is scarred for life.

After the interview, the woman tells us, “I reached out my hand to shake his.” Then, she says, “He took it and leaned toward me with his mouth open. I turned my head away from him and he landed a wet, open-mouthed kiss awkwardly on my cheek.”

The woman says she was in disbelief. “I was stunned and incredulous. I felt demeaned.

The other new Franken accuser said he groped her breast for possibly 5 seconds or more as they posed for a photo during a USO tour.

This sounds like serial bad and juvenile behavior and it should be called out. He should be shamed. But is it a fireable offense?

It may come out that Franken has done something more serious, but so far I dont see it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:51:21am

re: #248 Big Beautiful Door

It will be difficult as he is being raised in an environment of absolute privilege and zero accountability.

Yeah that’s why i don’t have much hope. My hope is perhaps though at his school he’s meeting boys and girls of different backgrounds and learning from them. I don’t hold out much hope but I really do hope he does turn out to be a good person. In fact, I’d love it if he turned out to be the total opposite of his Dad and brothers.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:52:59am

re: #247 Citizen K

Dems are the only ones who ever seem to pay a price for bad behavior.

Republicans pay a price for good behavior. You can’t expect a decent party and an evil party to have the same standards.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:53:49am

re: #244 HappyWarrior

I wish I could be surprised but I ain’t. That’s McCain’s career in politics defined.

The donors weren’t going to accept a lack of return on their investment again. This is a must pass bill for the GOP after the failure of healthcare repeal, which is partially incorporated into this tax bill.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:53:52am
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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:54:13am

re: #253 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Republicans pay a price for good behavior. You can’t expect a decent party and an evil party to have the same standards.

But the price Republicans pay for good behavior doesn’t translate into a pick-up for Democrats.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:56:04am

re: #247 Citizen K

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As I’ve said before, I disagree. I think that next year the GOP is going to pay a very heavy price as energized women go to the polls and run for office.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:56:40am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:57:57am

re: #257 Big Beautiful Door

As I’ve said before, I disagree. I think that next year the GOP is going to pay a very heavy price as energized women go to the polls and run for office.

You think we’re going to see a a national version of what we saw this fall? I actually do think you’re right. there. I just hope we hold on till then.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:57:59am
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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:58:04am

re: #247 Citizen K

There is even a list!
en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:58:22am

re: #254 Big Beautiful Door

The donors weren’t going to accept a lack of return on their investment again. This is a must pass bill for the GOP after the failure of healthcare repeal, which is partially incorporated into this tax bill.

Certainly.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:58:43am

re: #250 Skip Intro

I was big on Franken resigning because his seat would be filled with another Democrat. Then yesterday someone mentioned that McConnell would do everything is his power to refuse to seat Franken’s replacement, and I realized the poster was right.

So I am now on board with the Franken should stay crowd.

No, that won’t happen. Franken’s original seating was delayed because of the recount. If Franken resigns and the Governor appoints a replacement, McConnell has zero grounds to refuse to seat him or her.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:59:06am

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 8:59:54am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s why i don’t have much hope. My hope is perhaps though at his school he’s meeting boys and girls of different backgrounds and learning from them. I don’t hold out much hope but I really do hope he does turn out to be a good person. In fact, I’d love it if he turned out to be the total opposite of his Dad and brothers.

That would be a pleasant surprise.

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Citizen K  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:00:55am

re: #263 Big Beautiful Door

No, that won’t happen. Franken’s original seating was delayed because of the recount. If Franken resigns and the Governor appoints a replacement, McConnell has zero grounds to refuse to seat him or her.

This presumes that this stopped him before.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:01:41am

If you have to add the disclaimer, “Though not perfect”, then why the fuck would you rush to vote it? DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AND MAKE IT PERFECT!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:02:27am

re: #265 Big Beautiful Door

That would be a pleasant surprise.

I still have some idealist left.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:02:32am

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

Game Over Man, GAME OVER!

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:02:36am

re: #267 Dr. Matt

“Though not perfect” was also used to describe the ACA.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:02:45am

re: #267 Dr. Matt

If you have to add the disclaimer, “Though not perfect”, then why the fuck would you rush to vote it? DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AND MAKE IT PERFECT!

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McCain has no idea what’s in the bill because there is no text.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:03:08am

re: #267 Dr. Matt

If you have to add the disclaimer, “Though not perfect”, then why the fuck would you rush to vote it? DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AND MAKE IT PERFECT!

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Well you’re not a hack and McCain even though I appreciate him a times is for better lack of a word, a hack.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:03:13am

re: #259 HappyWarrior

You think we’re going to see a a national version of what we saw this fall? I actually do think you’re right. there. I just hope we hold on till then.

Yes I do. Presidential parties almost always lose seats in the mid-terms. When you combine that with an extremely unpopular President, you have the makings of a wave election.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:04:46am

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

McCain has no idea what’s in the bill because there is no text.

Most of the them don’t, including the Dotard.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:04:49am

re: #266 Citizen K

This presumes that this stopped him before.

Can you cite any actual instance of McConnell refusing to seat a duly appointed Senator?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:04:50am

re: #273 Big Beautiful Door

Yes I do. Presidential parties almost always lose seats in the mid-terms. When you combine that with an extremely unpopular President, you have the makings of a wave election.

I’m with you. I think the historical trends and Trump’s unpopularity signify it’s going to happen. What I worry about is what happens after that and if we win in 2020, how we fix Trump and the GOP’s fuckups and how we ensure we don’t get a GOP to take advantage of voter amnesia.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:05:31am

good grief…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:07:09am

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief…

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Because Trump is so trustworthy, Susan. Gah.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:08:03am

It’s honestly like a bad dream you’re having and the country elected the worst possible person you can think of to be POTUS but it IS happening and it IS real.

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Weaselone  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:08:34am

re: #275 Big Beautiful Door

Can you cite any actual instance of McConnell refusing to seat a duly appointed Senator?

I can cite an instance of him failing to hold a vote on a Supreme Court nominee. He’d never done that before.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:09:14am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:09:51am
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:09:53am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

I’m with you. I think the historical trends and Trump’s unpopularity signify it’s going to happen. What I worry about is what happens after that and if we win in 2020, how we fix Trump and the GOP’s fuckups and how we ensure we don’t get a GOP to take advantage of voter amnesia.

Its always going to be a difficult fight, because the other side is extremely well funded by people seeking to leverage massive monetary gains such as they are going to see when this tax bill passes.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:10:03am

Can a new President in 2020 just declare everything Trump has done null and void? Because from what I’m seeing, that’s our only hope.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:10:04am

re: #270 Belafon

“Though not perfect” was also used to describe the ACA.

Terrible comparison. ACA was based on a GOP plan that included 188 GOP amendments and was not rushed through congress in a matter of weeks.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:11:44am

re: #285 GlutenFreeJesus

Can a new President in 2020 just declare everything Trump has done null and void? Because from what I’m seeing, that’s our only hope.

Executive orders and [hopefully] a democratic majority in the chambers.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:11:57am

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief…

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Either Collins or the deficit hawks are getting scammed, because McConnell is promising everyone whatever it takes to get them to “yes”, inconsistencies be damned.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:12:36am

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well there’s no surprise there. There’s plenty of stuff out there on him already with women. i do hope the Ohio Dems find a good candidate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:13:31am
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:14:34am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That removes the excuse that Democrats shouldn’t resign because Republicans won’t.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:15:20am
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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:16:17am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No more Smokey Joe!?

Maybe this catastrophic week isn’t so horrible after all!

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blueraven  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:16:43am

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Already deleted?

What I heard was he was not going to run again, not that he is resigning now.

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ipsos  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:17:04am

It would be way too cynical to think that there was a deep behind-the-scenes deal - “we’ll get rid of Barton if you get rid of Conyers.”

Right?

maybe //, maybe not //, because who can tell anymore…

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DodgerFan1988  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:18:25am
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JordanRules  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:18:38am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:19:07am

re: #294 blueraven

Already deleted?

What I heard was he was not going to run again, not that he is resigning now.

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:19:08am

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief…

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Sen. Collins: I Got Assurance From Trump Everything Will Be Fine

..who has no factual basis to make such an assurance

And couldn’t possibly explain it

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:19:10am

Former Lubbock County Democratic Chair Todd Klein has gone full frontal batshit:

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:21:16am

re: #300 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Former Lubbock County Democratic Chair Todd Klein has gone full frontal batshit:

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Hey, Todd, there’s a Republican in your state with the same issues, as well as the head of your party.

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:21:27am

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If you want quality oats you have to pay the price

If you’re willing to wait until they pass nthrough a horse, well they’re a bit cheaper

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:21:55am

re: #297 JordanRules

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Agh.

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:21:59am

re: #285 GlutenFreeJesus

Can a new President in 2020 just declare everything Trump has done null and void? Because from what I’m seeing, that’s our only hope.

It’s pretty much what he’s doing now

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:22:44am

re: #300 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Former Lubbock County Democratic Chair Todd Klein has gone full frontal batshit:

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This guy sounds like a real fuckhead.

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blueraven  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:22:48am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:24:31am

re: #297 JordanRules

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:24:54am

how about Barton, too?

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JordanRules  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:25:50am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:25:51am

re: #285 GlutenFreeJesus

Can a new President in 2020 just declare everything Trump has done null and void? Because from what I’m seeing, that’s our only hope.

Everything done via executive order can be reversed on day 1. Cleaning up the courts will take much longer, requiring each incompetent judge to do something impeachable.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:26:30am

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

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how about Barton, too?

Didn’t Barton say he was already resigning?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:27:02am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:27:18am

re: #310 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Everything done via executive order can be reversed on day 1. Cleaning up the courts will take much longer, requiring each incompetent judge to do something impeachable.

It’ll never happen but I’d love to see Gorsuch thrown out of the USSC for the stunt McConnell pulled there.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:27:45am

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump being a jackass has consequences folks. But hey let’s just ignore him .//

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:28:51am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

Didn’t Barton say he was already resigning?

I think the person who make that comment got it wrong. Barton’s just not going to run for reelection.

Edit: See #298

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:31:05am

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:32:30am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:33:41am

re: #315 Belafon

I think the person who make that comment got it wrong. Barton’s just not going to run for reelection.

Edit: See #298

Oh then. Then yeah Ryan should be calling for Barton’s resignation too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:37:23am

sigh…

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Skip Intro  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:38:15am

re: #263 Big Beautiful Door

No, that won’t happen. Franken’s original seating was delayed because of the recount. If Franken resigns and the Governor appoints a replacement, McConnell has zero grounds to refuse to seat him or her.

He had zero grounds to prevent a hearing on Merrick Garland. He had zero grounds to block hearings on Obama’s judicial appointees in Obama’s last year. That didn’t stop him.

McConnell is lawless, just like the rest of his party.

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:39:37am

re: #320 Skip Intro

He had zero grounds to prevent a hearing on Merrick Garland. He had zero grounds to block hearings on Obama’s judicial appointees in Obama’s last year. That didn’t stop him.

McConnell is lawless, just like the rest of his party.

There will be a window between Franken’s resignation and when the new person is seated.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:40:25am

re: #321 Belafon

There will be a window between Franken’s resignation and when the new person is seated.

and as long as that window is open, there will be one less Democrat in the Senate

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Skip Intro  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:40:45am

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

“If you look though my hands you can see where my dick is.”

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sagehen  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:41:21am

re: #267 Dr. Matt

If you have to add the disclaimer, “Though not perfect”, then why the fuck would you rush to vote it? DO YOUR FUCKING JOB AND MAKE IT PERFECT!

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McCain doesn’t care much about the income tax part of the bill. But the inheritance tax? His wife is worth more than $150M

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JordanRules  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:41:47am
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Skip Intro  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:41:57am

re: #285 GlutenFreeJesus

Can a new President in 2020 just declare everything Trump has done null and void? Because from what I’m seeing, that’s our only hope.

Nope.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:42:25am

re: #324 sagehen

McCain doesn’t care much about the income tax part of the bill. But the inheritance tax? His wife is worth more than $150M

Trump voters are dumb enough to vote against their own best interests, but millionaire senators ain’t…

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Skip Intro  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:42:45am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

Didn’t Barton say he was already resigning?

Nope.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:43:24am

re: #328 Skip Intro

Nope.

Yeah I saw the clarification. He’s leaving at the end of his term but not resigning immediately.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:43:39am

Times are tough:
Man steals Ferrari, arrested when asking for gas money

A man who was on the run after stealing a $300,000 Ferrari was arrested when police found him soliciting people for gas money.

The Los Angeles Times reports Israel Perez Rangel, 38, walked into the Ferrari & Maserati of Newport Beach and stole the Ferrari 458 Spider while it was parked in the service center Oct. 19. Security footage reportedly shows the man wearing a Ferrari jacket, looking in a few car windows and then driving off. The newspaper reports an employee had left the key on the passenger seat.

Israel was eventually apprehended by police when they approached him at a gas station where he was asking for gas money. The car appeared to be in rough shape, having “cracked fins, a destroyed gearbox, emblems torn for the engine and body and missing paddle shifters and vomit caked on the side.”

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:43:42am
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blueraven  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:44:45am

re: #318 HappyWarrior

Oh then. Then yeah Ryan should be calling for Barton’s resignation too.

I hate Barton with the heat of a thousand fires and don’t have a lot of sympathy for him. He is a complete hypocrite. And I certainly think his sending a dick pic is gross and stupid. However, it appears that he was engaged in a consensual sexual relationship with an adult woman.

If we start calling for heads over adultery or hypocrisy, then we won’t have many congressmen left. That said, I am delighted he will not run again.

It wont matter as far as balance of the House though. His district is blood red.

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Skip Intro  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:45:45am

re: #321 Belafon

There will be a window between Franken’s resignation and when the new person is seated.

Plenty of time for McConnell to invent a new rule stating that an open Dem seat can only be filled in the next election.

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MsJ  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:46:25am

re: #8 Kragar

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:47:00am

re: #333 Skip Intro

Plenty of time for McConnell to invent a new rule stating that an open Dem seat can only be filled in the next election.

He can’t do that, it’s up to the states, but he can try to force things through that were looking rather close.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:47:58am

re: #332 blueraven

I hate Barton with the heat of a thousand fires and don’t have a lot of sympathy for him. He is a complete hypocrite. And I certainly think his sending a dick pic is gross and stupid. However, it appears that he was engaged in a consensual sexual relationship with an adult woman.

If we start calling for heads over adultery or hypocrisy, then we won’t have many congressmen left. That said, I am delighted he will not run again.

It wont matter as far as balance of the House though. His district is blood red.

True enough.

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Skip Intro  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:48:29am

re: #335 Belafon

He can’t do that, it’s up to the states, but he can try to force things through that were looking rather close.

I doubt there’s much of anything this government can’t do if it chooses to.

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sagehen  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:50:32am

re: #310 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Everything done via executive order can be reversed on day 1. Cleaning up the courts will take much longer, requiring each incompetent judge to do something impeachable.

And regulations if they’re less than 6 months old.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:50:56am
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Stanley Sea  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:51:22am

re: #325 JordanRules

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Everything is just so wrong.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:53:32am

My protest hair has gotten really long.

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ObserverArt  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:53:55am

re: #197 Citizen K

I’m exhausted.

Like has been said before, it seems like the continuing standard is ‘we have to be lucky every time, they just have to get lucky once’, and that once seems to be coming now, with this tax bill combining every single fucking unicorn the GOP ever wanted and baking it in for a generation at the least, with no fucking stopping it whatsoever anymore.

And they’ll happily clink their champagne glasses together while the rest of the nation burns, and half of that rest of the nation blames Dems for being godless minority-coddling race traitors or some shit.

I. Fucking. Hate. This. Country.

When are you leaving?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:54:18am

re: #339 Ace-o-aces

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Tucker isn’t stupid in that he knows that FNC viewers don’t want to be shown that Trump sucks and they’d much rather be spoonfed bullshit about how awful HRC is.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:54:58am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:55:36am

re: #343 HappyWarrior

Tucker isn’t stupid in that he knows that FNC viewers don’t want to be shown that Trump sucks and they’d much rather be spoonfed bullshit about how awful HRC is.

Imagine the guilt when a Trump voter who isn’t a fascist wakes up to the reality of what they’ve done. They need the anti-Clinton propaganda just to be able to look at themselves in a mirror.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:57:29am

re: #345 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Imagine the guilt when a Trump voter who isn’t a fascist wakes up to the reality of what they’ve done. They need the anti-Clinton propaganda just to be able to look at themselves in a mirror.

And that’s what Fox does. Over and over again. It’s a dream for sure but I’d love for the people who have been conned by these assholes to wake up to it.

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sagehen  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:58:07am

Reminder:

in my youth, in the span of ten years we got

Civil Rights Act
Voting Rights Act
Medicare
Title IX
Title X
EPA
OSHA
end the draft
lower the voting age
Roe v Wade
Vice President forced to resign
President forced to resign

All it took to make it happen was… LARGE ENOUGH NUMBERS OF LIBERALS NOT FUCKING GIVING UP.

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 9:58:10am

re: #339 Ace-o-aces

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fox news: all clinton, all the time

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Skip Intro  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:01:36am

re: #347 sagehen

Except now 37% makes a majority in this country because they all vote and half of the other 63% can’t be bothered to.

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Sea Mexican!  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:03:33am

re: #208 whitebeach

Tom Cotton is an Arkansas version of Joe McCarthy just hitting his stride. Picture McCarthy as CIA director. You will probably need a strong drink to get through this. I know I do.

F*k. This week already has hit the I-need-a-freaking-drink level on Tuesday. My liver doesn’t need more.

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CleverToad  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:04:13am

They’re about to ram through a tax bill that will be a disaster for my family and my son’s future. They’re about to end net neutrality. They’re busy dismantling the EPA and undercutting protections for public lands. They’re packing the courts. All this in the next two weeks, and then they start on the ‘entitlement reform’ they’ve been slavering for.

I don’t have the stamina today to listen to a lot of blather — mostly from men — about how Franken should resign immediately to prove our Democratic purity. Due Flipping Process, people. Hold the Ethics investigation, then watch McConnell pull every nasty trick in the book to hold up Franken’s successor if that’s the outcome.

Can we hold off on the tar and feathers for two bloody weeks, guys, or are you having too much fun saying “I told you so?”

(Signing off for my own damn sanity today. The last fingernail is slipping off the fraying rope.)

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MsJ  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:08:52am

re: #235 HappyWarrior

This is a guy who also told women who get sexually harassed at work that they should just quit. There’s something deeply wrong with this entire family and I hope for Barron’s sake, he turns out to be a better man than his father and brothers but I don’t have much hope. I am still rooting for it though.

He won’t. Melania is no better than the rest. She married for money, she stays for money, she has no values or morals.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:10:29am
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MsJ  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:11:48am

re: #263 Big Beautiful Door

No, that won’t happen. Franken’s original seating was delayed because of the recount. If Franken resigns and the Governor appoints a replacement, McConnell has zero grounds to refuse to seat him or her.

He had zero grounds to not even consider an Obama SCOTUS pick. Yet here we are.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:12:28am

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:13:22am

re: #347 sagehen

Reminder:

in my youth, in the span of ten years we got

Civil Rights Act
Voting Rights Act
Medicare
Title IX
Title X
EPA
OSHA
end the draft
lower the voting age
Roe v Wade
Vice President forced to resign
President forced to resign

All it took to make it happen was… LARGE ENOUGH NUMBERS OF LIBERALS NOT FUCKING GIVING UP.

Now we have large numbers of people taking these things for granted.

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:13:59am

re: #355 Big Beautiful Door

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

He’s not resigning. Just not running for reelection. The news was wrong.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:18:33am

re: #310 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Everything done via executive order can be reversed on day 1. Cleaning up the courts will take much longer, requiring each incompetent judge to do something impeachable.

And judges don’t get impeached unless they commit felonies. They will be on the bench making bad law for decades to come.

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ObserverArt  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:19:41am

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Speaking of Ohio Governor runs, I saw a report this morning on local NBC 4 about a Republican Super Ticket for the 2018 Ohio Governor’s race.

Mike DeWine for Governor.
Jon Husted for Lt. Governor.

Yeah.

No!!!

Will be working hard with the Ohio Democratic party to see this does not happen.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:20:39am

From over a year ago…

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ObserverArt  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:20:54am

re: #289 HappyWarrior

Well there’s no surprise there. There’s plenty of stuff out there on him already with women. i do hope the Ohio Dems find a good candidate.

I’m still hoping for Richard Cordray.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:21:38am

re: #320 Skip Intro

He had zero grounds to prevent a hearing on Merrick Garland. He had zero grounds to block hearings on Obama’s judicial appointees in Obama’s last year. That didn’t stop him.

McConnell is lawless, just like the rest of his party.

We don’t need to slip into deranged paranoia territory. Blocking hearings is not the same thing as refusing to seat a duly appointed US Senator.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:22:41am

re: #322 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and as long as that window is open, there will be one less Democrat in the Senate

It could certainly be arranged for the Governor to appoint a new senator the same day Franken resigns.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:23:37am

re: #363 Big Beautiful Door

It could certainly be arranged for the Governor to appoint a new senator the same day Franken resigns.

If he or she is smart, they’ve already got someone on standby.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:24:12am

re: #359 ObserverArt

Speaking of Ohio Governor runs, I saw a report this morning on local NBC 4 about a Republican Super Ticket for the 2018 Ohio Governor’s race.

Mike DeWine for Governor.
Jon Husted for Lt. Governor.

Yeah.

No!!!

Will be working hard with the Ohio Democratic party to see this does not happen.

that announcement was made this afternoon in Dayton.

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:24:14am

re: #360 Eclectic Cyborg

From over a year ago…

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Because 37% of the country does it as well, and another third doesn’t really think it’s a priority. Pretty much the same response to racism.

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ObserverArt  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:26:27am

re: #299 dangerman

..who has no factual basis to make such an assurance

And couldn’t possibly explain it

What I see is a cynical Republican Congress that has grown tired of it all and are throwing blank paper up for a vote and hoping it passes so the next Congress can actually fill in the text. That is all the assurance they need right now because they just don’t care enough.

They’ve all been Trumped.

They seem to just want to call it in, go home for the holidays and figure out their next careers because I think they realize they have killed their current one.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:26:50am

re: #366 Belafon

Because 37% of the country does it as well, and another third doesn’t really think it’s a priority. Pretty much the same response to racism.

Remember George Carlin’s quote:

” ‘Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.’”

Now combine that with an electoral system that disproportionately represents the stupid half.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:27:21am

re: #335 Belafon

He can’t do that, it’s up to the states, but he can try to force things through that were looking rather close.

Democratic votes are irrelevant. Its not like the GOP is proposing anything that any Democrats would vote for. They will still need 50 votes to pass the tax bill, and it looks like they are going to get them.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:28:31am
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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:29:45am

re: #370 Stanley Sea

A few embassies getting blown up would reduce the need for so many State Department workers.

///

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:30:00am
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:31:12am

re: #351 CleverToad

They’re about to ram through a tax bill that will be a disaster for my family and my son’s future. They’re about to end net neutrality. They’re busy dismantling the EPA and undercutting protections for public lands. They’re packing the courts. All this in the next two weeks, and then they start on the ‘entitlement reform’ they’ve been slavering for.

I don’t have the stamina today to listen to a lot of blather — mostly from men — about how Franken should resign immediately to prove our Democratic purity. Due Flipping Process, people. Hold the Ethics investigation, then watch McConnell pull every nasty trick in the book to hold up Franken’s successor if that’s the outcome.

Can we hold off on the tar and feathers for two bloody weeks, guys, or are you having too much fun saying “I told you so?”

(Signing off for my own damn sanity today. The last fingernail is slipping off the fraying rope.)

I am not at all happy that more and more allegations are coming out against Franken; I was hoping he would prove me wrong. Its entirely his decision as to whether or not to resign.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:31:56am
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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:32:18am

re: #360 Eclectic Cyborg

From over a year ago…

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There’s a long list

This is but one datapoint

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:34:20am

re: #367 ObserverArt

What I see is a cynical Republican Congress that has grown tired of it all and are throwing blank paper up for a vote and hoping it passes so the next Congress can actually fill in the text. That is all the assurance they need right now because they just don’t care enough.

They’ve all been Trumped.

They seem to just want to call it in, go home for the holidays and figure out there next careers because I think they realize they have killed their current one.

Who knew being in Congress would be so hard?

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Alephnaught  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:34:29am

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

🇬🇧Donald Trump is facing unprecedented criticism in the Commons chamber today. MPs calling him “fascist”, “stupid”, spreading “evil” and “racist or incompetent or ignorant or all three” - remarks of a vehemence never heard before about a US president in the UK Parliament 🇬🇧

Considering the rules on how MPs can speak of others in the House of Commons, that’s pretty unprecedented.

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ObserverArt  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:34:34am

re: #347 sagehen

Reminder:

in my youth, in the span of ten years we got

Civil Rights Act
Voting Rights Act
Medicare
Title IX
Title X
EPA
OSHA
end the draft
lower the voting age
Roe v Wade
Vice President forced to resign
President forced to resign

All it took to make it happen was… LARGE ENOUGH NUMBERS OF LIBERALS NOT FUCKING GIVING UP.

But they also…Didn’t. Hate. Their. Country.

They loved it so they took on the fight. It’s what good, strong, people do when faced with a challenge.

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:36:03am

re: #368 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remember George Carlin’s quote:

” ‘Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize more than half of them are stupider than that.’”

Now combine that with an electoral system that disproportionately represents the stupid half.

Danger’s corolary

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sagehen  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:36:18am

re: #362 Big Beautiful Door

We don’t need to slip into deranged paranoia territory. Blocking hearings is not the same thing as refusing to seat a duly appointed US Senator.

“If you’re not paranoid, you’re not paying attention.”

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ObserverArt  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:38:21am

re: #365 Backwoods_Sleuth

that announcement was made this afternoon on Dayton.

I saw your tweet post above, but I had already made my comment before seeing it.

I guess the people of Ohio are not sick of ‘establishment pols’ if they are considering recycling fucking Mike TheWhine.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:38:56am

re: #372 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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Quit outsourcing your bigotry, Mr. Trump!//

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:40:15am

re: #377 Alephnaught

Considering the rules on how MPs can speak of others in the House of Commons, that’s pretty unprecedented.

Hitler was probably the last Head of State who was referred to with that kind of language in Parliament.

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I cannot.  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:43:53am

re: #371 Belafon

I’m just surprised that there’s anyone left at State to pass that on to the White House.

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Interesting Times  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:46:00am

What sort of fuckery is this?!?!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:47:11am
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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:47:43am

re: #385 Interesting Times

What sort of fuckery is this?!?!

Maybe they want to see where he goes.

The Trump administration would be stupid enough to meet with him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:48:05am

re: #385 Interesting Times

What sort of fuckery is this?!?!

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I’m also guessing that they didn’t grab all of Manafort’s passports…

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:48:36am

re: #362 Big Beautiful Door

I would normally agree with you….but Merick Garland.

McConnell will break every norm and change every rule for the temporary benefit he gets while the GOP controls the, presidency, house and the senate.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:49:09am

re: #386 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:50:00am

re: #385 Interesting Times

What sort of fuckery is this?!?!

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They should ask the judge who relied on Eric Conn’s good faith how good an idea this is. It also makes Manafort an easier target if Putin decides he needs to have an “accident.”

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makeitstop  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:51:16am

re: #387 Belafon

Maybe they want to see where he goes.

Agreed. They wouldn’t agree to this if they didn’t already have a surveillance warrant.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:52:51am

re: #389 Scottish Dragon

I would normally agree with you….but Merick Garland.

McConnell will break every norm and change every rule for the temporary benefit he gets while the GOP controls the, presidency, house and the senate.

There is no benefit to be gained from not seating Franken’s duly appointed replacement. McConnell would still need 50 votes to pass the tax bill. 49 is not half of 99.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:54:47am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:55:52am
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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:56:11am

re: #393 Big Beautiful Door

One less Dem is one less Dem.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:56:16am

Manafort sets agreement on bail, not approved by judge.

nydailynews.com

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BeachDem  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:56:33am

re: #258 Backwoods_Sleuth

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As always, he’s full o’shit.

Here’s part of the “fair and balanced” email his buddy Lindsey sent out yesterday:

TAX REFORM IN THE SENATE

Dear Friend,

The United States Senate will begin debating tax reform tonight and I want to hear from you on this important issue facing our nation.

Supporters of Tax Reform:
President Trump supports tax reform and has pushed the Senate to pass this important piece of his agenda for America. In fact, he came to the Senate yesterday to push Senators to support this plan. His pitch was simple – hard working Americans should be allowed to keep more of what they earn. According to the nonpartisan Tax Foundation, in South Carolina the average family would be allowed to keep $2,391 more in their pocket. The legislation also will benefit business by creating more than 13,000 jobs in our state.

Opponents of Tax Reform:
Opponents of tax reform have said they believe it is unnecessary and the Senate should defeat it when it comes up for a vote. They have expressed concerns that tax reform could benefit the wealthy at the expense of the middle and lower income Americans. They have not offered an alternative proposal and feel our current tax system is working as intended.

Also full o’shit.

Brief Thanksgiving tale. Not much political conversation around the table (although my nephew did tell he that he had it out with his banshee mother a few days earlier—she was still going on about Obama being a Muslim, and my nephew called her a racist—good times). My brother’s big concern seemed to be whether cartoon characters ever blink. Families are such fun.

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:58:52am

re: #398 BeachDem

As always, he’s full o’shit.

Here’s part of the “fair and balanced” email his buddy Lindsey sent out yesterday:

Also full o’shit.

Brief Thanksgiving tale. Not much political conversation around the table (although my nephew did tell he that he had it out with his banshee mother a few days earlier—she was still going on about Obama being a Muslim, and my nephew called her a racist—good times). My brother’s big concern seemed to be whether cartoon characters ever blink. Families are such fun.

“Have not offered an alternative” because it doesn’t need to change for the worse.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:59:10am

re: #307 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Check the math.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 30, 2017 • 10:59:39am

re: #397 Shropshire Slasher

edited

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:01:25am

re: #393 Big Beautiful Door

There is no benefit to be gained from not seating Franken’s duly appointed replacement. McConnell would still need 50 votes to pass the tax bill. 49 is not half of 99.

Also remember, they just need a flat majority with the shenanigans they are pulling right now since they use reconciliation rules…and 49 to 47 still wins.

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Weaselone  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:02:22am

re: #393 Big Beautiful Door

There is no benefit to be gained from not seating Franken’s duly appointed replacement. McConnell would still need 50 votes to pass the tax bill. 49 is not half of 99.

Legislation could pass with Pence breaking a 49:49 tie. Lets them have an abstention/absence in addition to 2 no votes.

Apply to ACA vote. Franken’s gone, vote’s held with McCain still back in Arizona. ACA overturned 49:49 with Pence breaking tie.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:02:54am

re: #394 Backwoods_Sleuth

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There is still hope that the GOP can fail again, though not much. They know this tax bill is the quid for the pro quo of continued campaign contributions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:04:54am

sad trombone…

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:05:49am

re: #396 Scottish Dragon

One less Dem is one less Dem.

So what? When Democratic votes are irrelevant, what difference would blocking a duly appointed Senator for a few days make? Nothing.

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:07:27am

re: #406 Big Beautiful Door

So what? When Democratic votes are irrelevant, what difference would blocking a duly appointed Senator for a few days make? Nothing.

Yeah, they’ve gotten so much done with all those irrelevant Democratic votes.

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Weaselone  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:08:26am

re: #406 Big Beautiful Door

So what? When Democratic votes are irrelevant, what difference would blocking a duly appointed Senator for a few days make? Nothing.

See my reply above.

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BeachDem  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:08:28am

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

sigh…

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Worse than sigh—ugh to the max. Husted and DeWine—two of the most awful assholes in Ohio (the ever-assholy Ken Blackwell would make it a trifecta)

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:08:32am

re: #406 Big Beautiful Door

So what? When Democratic votes are irrelevant, what difference would blocking a duly appointed Senator for a few days make? Nothing.

It gives the GOP one more vote they can afford to lose. That is actually a lot…and it could be until the 2018 elections possibly. Nobody thought McConnell would get away with refusing a vote on a SCOTUS nominee until he actually got away with it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:08:45am

re: #402 Scottish Dragon

Also remember, they just need a flat majority with the shenanigans they are pulling right now since they use reconciliation rules…and 49 to 47 still wins.

49+47 doesn’t equal 99; what are the other 3 senators doing in your hypothetical?

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ObserverArt  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:09:02am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:09:27am

re: #405 Backwoods_Sleuth

sad trombone…

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It’s good news that even a normalizing portrayal of a Nazi, outs that Nazi, and makes them a pariah.

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blueraven  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:09:43am

re: #406 Big Beautiful Door

So what? When Democratic votes are irrelevant, what difference would blocking a duly appointed Senator for a few days make? Nothing.

Just why exactly do you think Franken should resign?

You have suggested it is for political “upsmanship”.

Do you think what he is accused of actually merits resignation?

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:11:03am

re: #403 Weaselone

Legislation could pass with Pence breaking a 49:49 tie. Lets them have an abstention in addition to 2 no votes

So again, it depends on what Republican Senators do; the Democrats are still irrelevant. If you think your hypothetical abstainer would vote no and kill this reform bill if Franken was in office, you’re dreaming.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:11:31am

re: #413 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s good news that even a normalizing portrayal of a Nazi, outs that Nazi, and makes them a pariah.

Being a Nazi should make you a pariah. People have become pariahs for far less.

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Citizen K  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:11:47am
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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:13:08am

re: #411 Big Beautiful Door

49+47 doesn’t equal 99; what are the other 3 senators doing in your hypothetical?

Not there, not voting or…not seated. It gives McConnell one more vote he can afford to lose.

Two things to remember:

1)Merick Garland
2) McCain unexpectedly sinking the Obamacare reform bill.

McConnell will break all the metaphorical china in the legislative giftshop to keep another McCain incident from happening. Keeping one more Dem out gives them that much more room.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:14:15am

re: #410 Scottish Dragon

It gives the GOP one more vote they can afford to lose. That is actually a lot…and it could be until the 2018 elections possibly. Nobody thought McConnell would get away with refusing a vote on a SCOTUS nominee until he actually got away with it.

I’m sorry, that is just ridiculous.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:14:53am

re: #419 Big Beautiful Door

I’m sorry, that is just ridiculous.

So was refusing to vote for a SCOTUS nominee for the first time in American history.

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wrenchwench  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:16:19am

re: #418 Scottish Dragon

[…]
McConnell will break all the metaphorical china in the legislative giftshop to keep another McCain incident from happening. Keeping one more Dem out gives them that much more room.

I think I got metaphorical china at my theoretical wedding shower in 2014. I can’t quite remember.

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blueraven  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:16:35am

re: #419 Big Beautiful Door

I’m sorry, that is just ridiculous.

So is “President Trump”. Nevertheless…

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:17:46am

You can think it is ridiculous.

Trump is POTUS and Alabama is probably going to elect a credibly accused child molester to the Senate all because god hates gheys and Democrats.

Remember that every time you are tempted to say some possible GOP shenanigans are ridiculous.

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ObserverArt  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:18:12am

re: #405 Backwoods_Sleuth

sad trombone…

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Wow. A New Carlisle Ohio business kicked out some White Nationalists/Nazis.

Probably didn’t like all the hassle, but were fine with his politics.

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Weaselone  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:19:29am

re: #415 Big Beautiful Door

So again, it depends on what Republican Senators do; the Democrats are still irrelevant. If you think your hypothetical abstainer would vote no and kill this reform bill if Franken was in office, you’re dreaming.

Republicans have a majority. By your logic every Democrat might as well resign their Senate seat, because they depend on Republicans to block anything that only requires a simple majority vote.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:22:18am

re: #414 blueraven

Just why exactly do you think Franken should resign?

You have suggested it is for political “upsmanship”.

Do you think what he is accused of actually merits resignation?

Yes I do, actually. The count of women Franken has harassed is now at six and rising. And its not “gamesmanship.” Its about being the Party that actually cares about women’s right to be full participants in society. For Democrats to be that they shouldn’t be the Party that only cares about sexual harassment of women if its the other guys who do it. Let the GOP be the Party that supports sexual predators. I like Franken too. I liked him on SNL; I bought his books. But he is not irreplaceable. And dreaming up a fantastical scenario in which McConnell squeezes out some minute advantage from Franken resigning is not a good reason to support Franken as more and more women come forward against him.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:26:53am

re: #425 Weaselone

Republicans have a majority. By your logic every Democrat might as well resign their Senate seat, because they depend on Republicans to block anything that only requires a simple majority vote.

That is also ridiculous.

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MsJ  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:29:22am

re: #389 Scottish Dragon

I would normally agree with you….but Merick Garland.

McConnell will break every norm and change every rule for the temporary benefit he gets while the GOP controls the, presidency, house and the senate.

Fucking right. We play by different rules. Their guys get a pass on everything while Dems have to cow to everything.

Fuck that. Just fuck that.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:29:32am

Damn, I keep telling myself I’m not going to comment on Franken anymore, and then more women make new allegations against him. Is it going to take child molestation charges before y’all quit defending him?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:31:45am

re: #429 Big Beautiful Door

Damn, I keep telling myself I’m not going to comment on Franken anymore, and then more women make new allegations against him. Is it going to take child molestation charges before y’all quit defending him?

It will take the findings of the ongoing investigation for me to pull the trigger. What is the particular rush?

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ObserverArt  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:34:00am

re: #429 Big Beautiful Door

Damn, I keep telling myself I’m not going to comment on Franken anymore, and then more women make new allegations against him. Is it going to take child molestation charges before y’all quit defending him?

Y’all???

Got that bus out do you?

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:34:00am

re: #429 Big Beautiful Door

Damn, I keep telling myself I’m not going to comment on Franken anymore, and then more women make new allegations against him. Is it going to take child molestation charges before y’all quit defending him?

Not defending him. We need a VERY public promise from McConnell that he will not play around with seating a replacement.

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blueraven  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:34:10am

re: #426 Big Beautiful Door

Yes I do, actually. The count of women Franken has harassed is now at six and rising. And its not “gamesmanship.” Its about being the Party that actually cares about women’s right to be full participants in society. For Democrats to be that they shouldn’t be the Party that only cares about sexual harassment of women if its the other guys who do it. Let the GOP be the Party that supports sexual predators. I like Franken too. I liked him on SNL; I bought his books. But he is not irreplaceable. And dreaming up a fantastical scenario in which McConnell squeezes out some minute advantage from Franken resigning is not a good reason to support Franken as more and more women come forward against him.

I think his behavior was inappropriate. Don’t know if it rises to actual harassment.

Also, some of these accusers are anonymous, so it is hard to say if some of this is not just piling on.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:34:15am

re: #430 Decatur Deb

It will take the findings of the ongoing investigation for me to pull the trigger. What is the particular rush?

Ethics investigations can take months if not years, while more and more allegations pile up. Pelosi has called on Conyers to resign. Schumer could ask Franken to as well; it would still obviously be Franken’s call whether to stay in office or not.

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MsJ  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:34:28am

re: #406 Big Beautiful Door

So what? When Democratic votes are irrelevant, what difference would blocking a duly appointed Senator for a few days make? Nothing.

GAH! I fucking give up. Just turn everything over to the republicans. Perfect plan. Let’s do it.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:36:06am

Franken knows the truth amidst these claims. He’s a democrat and you’re damn right he should be held to higher standards. We should all demand it. This is what seperates us from the republicans. He knows what he’s guilty of doing and he should take it upon himself to resign. We are better than those asshole republicans. If it means we lose seats, so be it. Next time we can elect someone who isn’t a harasser.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:36:45am

re: #433 blueraven

I think his behavior was inappropriate. Don’t know if it rises to actual harassment.

Also, some of these accusers are anonymous, so it is hard to say if some of this is not just piling on.

It’s a good thing there are no Republican ratfuckers going about in fancy costumes to bring false charges against Democrats.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:37:42am

re: #435 MsJ

GAH! I fucking give up. Just turn everything over to the republicans. Perfect plan. Let’s do it.

Not even slightly what I’m saying. I want women to know the Democrats have their backs, and I believe that will be a big reason why the Democrats will gain the seats to be highly relevant in the midterm elections.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:39:17am

re: #437 Decatur Deb

It’s a good thing there are no Republican ratfuckers going about in fancy costumes to bring false charges against true.

Yep….

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MsJ  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:39:56am

re: #432 Scottish Dragon

Not defending him. We need a VERY public promise from McConnell that he will not play around with seating a replacement.

Promise? He could promise on a stack of bible and it wouldn’t mean shit. We are not talking about people who have any honor whatsoever.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:40:25am

Slightly less ‘Fuck’:

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Decatur Deb  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:41:03am

re: #438 Big Beautiful Door

Not even slightly what I’m saying. I want women to know the Democrats have their backs, and I believe that will be a big reason why the Democrats will gain the seats to be highly relevant in the midterm elections.

We can afford to wait for the investigation and due process. A resignation in six months is as telling as a resignation now.

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makeitstop  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:41:56am

re: #434 Big Beautiful Door

Ethics investigations can take months if not years, while more and more allegations pile up. Pelosi has called on Conyers to resign. Schumer could ask Franken to as well; it would still obviously be Franken’s call whether to stay in office or not.

Maybe they’ve got Conyers dead to rights and not Franken?

Due process is important.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:43:26am

re: #438 Big Beautiful Door

Not even slightly what I’m saying. I want women to know the Democrats have their backs, and I believe that will be a big reason why the Democrats will gain the seats to be highly relevant in the midterm elections.

I know. However….we are not being rewarded for higher expectations and higher standards. We can kick out our abusers…and the GOP is happily rewarding theirs and electing more.

We cannot and must not do that. At the same time, we have to protect ourselves as we deal with the task of replacing problematic individuals and that means we may need to wait until election time and muster a challenge.

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wrenchwench  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:45:05am

re: #441 Blind Frog Belly White

Slightly less ‘Fuck’:

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:45:37am

re: #426 Big Beautiful Door

Yes I do, actually. The count of women Franken has harassed is now at six and rising….

re: #433 blueraven

I think his behavior was inappropriate. Don’t know if it rises to actual harassment.

Also, some of these accusers are anonymous, so it is hard to say if some of this is not just piling on.

on the count of women, you are, and (sadly) were correct from the start. you said the number would grow and it is growing.

as i wrote now 10 days ago, i think using the word “harassed” is an error:

ill state right off i dont know all the facts and ianal

this is co-opted off the eeoc and wikipedia - ymmv

i dont see sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, use of nasty or threatening language. it doesnt appear that there was any hostile or offensive work environment. and no one seems to have complained to anyone in authority at the time.

the incidents seem to be open to differing and questionable interpretations. incidents that do not impose a “general civility code” tend to be excluded as harassment.

i dont see asymmetrical power, no bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, no unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors

that’s why its not “harassment”. which has a specific and legal meaning

i would use another word instead of “harassing”

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blueraven  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:47:22am

re: #429 Big Beautiful Door

Damn, I keep telling myself I’m not going to comment on Franken anymore, and then more women make new allegations against him. Is it going to take child molestation charges before y’all quit defending him?

How disingenuous. The worst offense was a butt pat and a kiss. Let’s go right to pedophilia.

Do you honestly believe anyone here would protect a child molester?

O’High and mighty moral leader, we are not worthy.

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allegro  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:47:42am

re: #438 Big Beautiful Door

Not even slightly what I’m saying. I want women to know the Democrats have their backs, and I believe that will be a big reason why the Democrats will gain the seats to be highly relevant in the midterm elections.

Trashing Democrats to allow the GOP to eliminate what reproductive rights remain, defund women’s health clinics, further increase maternal deaths ad naseum is NOT having women’s backs. Can you really not see this?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:51:35am

re: #441 Blind Frog Belly White

Slightly less ‘Fuck’:

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:57:13am

re: #444 Scottish Dragon

I know. However….we are not being rewarded for higher expectations and higher standards. We can kick out our abusers…and the GOP is happily rewarding theirs and electing more.

We cannot and must not do that. At the same time, we have to protect ourselves as we deal with the task of replacing problematic individuals and that means we may need to wait until election time and muster a challenge.

You’re not supposed to have higher standards to get a reward.

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sagehen  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:07:48pm

re: #426 Big Beautiful Door

Yes I do, actually. The count of women Franken has harassed is now at six and rising. And its not “gamesmanship.” Its about being the Party that actually cares about women’s right to be full participants in society. For Democrats to be that they shouldn’t be the Party that only cares about sexual harassment of women if its the other guys who do it. Let the GOP be the Party that supports sexual predators. I like Franken too. I liked him on SNL; I bought his books. But he is not irreplaceable. And dreaming up a fantastical scenario in which McConnell squeezes out some minute advantage from Franken resigning is not a good reason to support Franken as more and more women come forward against him.

None of his accusers claim to have felt physically threatened or intimidated. None of his accusers claim to have feared for their jobs. None of his accusers claim that he made any attempt to remove any of their clothing.

He’s apologized, he’s volunteered for an ethics investigation and will submit without complaint to whatever the ethics committee decides. He probably won’t run for reelection. Why isn’t that enough?

Whatever happened to sense of proportion? Are we really going to go zero tolerance? Is TPing a house on Halloween deserving of the same penalties as throwing rocks through a window? Is patting someone’s ass for a second during a photo op really due the same consequences as making a staffer come to your office or hotel room and making them look at your dick?

There has to be some kind of sliding scale;

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:22:54pm

re: #448 allegro

Trashing Democrats to allow the GOP to eliminate what reproductive rights remain, defund women’s health clinics, further increase maternal deaths ad naseum is NOT having women’s backs. Can you really not see this?

Franken resigning is not going to lead to any of that. He will be replaced by another Democrat. And McConnell will not refuse to seat a duly appointed US Senator.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:24:35pm

re: #447 blueraven

How disingenuous. The worst offense was a butt pat and a kiss. Let’s go right to pedophilia.

Do you honestly believe anyone here would protect a child molester?

O’High and mighty moral leader, we are not worthy.

No I don’t think that; obviously no-one here would defend a child molester. I was asking in my post what would it take less than that before everyone would quit defending Franken.

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allegro  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:29:46pm

re: #452 Big Beautiful Door

Franken resigning is not going to lead to any of that. He will be replaced by another Democrat. And McConnell will not refuse to seat a duly appointed US Senator.

Facts not in evidence. Cost is women’s lives. Women voters see that too.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:53:07pm

re: #332 blueraven

I hate Barton with the heat of a thousand fires and don’t have a lot of sympathy for him. He is a complete hypocrite. And I certainly think his sending a dick pic is gross and stupid. However, it appears that he was engaged in a consensual sexual relationship with an adult woman.

If we start calling for heads over adultery or hypocrisy, then we won’t have many congressmen left. That said, I am delighted he will not run again.

It wont matter as far as balance of the House though. His district is blood red.

That is my thought on him also. From the info I have seen it was consensual and they are both adults.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:03:44pm

re: #455 Eventual Carrion

That is my thought on him also. From the info I have seen it was consensual and they are both adults.

that was all well and good up until he threatened her with the Capitol Police.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:15:53pm

re: #446 dangerman

[snip]

that’s why its not “harassment”. which has a specific and legal meaning

i would use another word instead of “harassing”

Roman hands and Russian fingers?

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:22:50pm

re: #456 Backwoods_Sleuth

that was all well and good up until he threatened her with the Capitol Police.

True that.


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