Brace Yourself: White House Officials Say Trump’s Going to Get Even Worse

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Think Donald Trump has been off the rails lately, retweeting fascists, attacking fallen soldiers’ widows, accusing Joe Scarborough of murder, reviving his Birther conspiracy claims and saying the Access Hollywood recording was faked?

According to Axios today, he’s going to get worse. Much worse.

Officials tell us Trump seems more self-assured, more prone to confidently indulging wild conspiracies and fantasies, more quick-triggered to fight than he was during the Wild West of the first 100 days in office.

So we have that to look forward to.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:35:56am

I wonder how the people of Seoul will feel about Trump’s volitility when most of the city is radioactive glass….

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:37:20am

Nixon’s paranoia and Reagan’s early Alzheimer’s. What a fucking mess.

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ObserverArt  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:38:17am

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Nixon’s paranoia and Reagan’s early Alzheimer’s. What a fucking mess.

With a huge bucket of arrogant asshole mixed in.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:39:44am

To think that the GOP tried to impeach Clinton for lying about a blowjob.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:40:43am

re: #3 ObserverArt

With a huge bucket of arrogant asshole mixed in.

It’s so fucked up. He literally accused Scarborough of murder yesterday.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:41:15am

Slightly less ‘Fuck’:

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:41:22am

I know Mueller is making his case as thoroughly and methodically as he can, but indictments can’t start raining down soon enough on this clownshow of an Administration.

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BlueGrl21  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:41:27am

I’ve reached the point where I just can’t take it any more. For my own mental health I am off any social media and ignoring his tweets. My husband teaches political science and he’s totally plugged in, as are my teenagers. They inform me if there’s anything I need to be aware of. Through their filter, which is much more entertaining.

I’m working on rediscovering the Romantic era poets and writing a book. Or I will spend my days getting triggered by a malignant narcissist, something I learned to stop doing when I was 18.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:42:41am

To think that less than four years ago it was a scandal that Obama ate a hamburger with mustard on it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:43:08am

re: #9 Ace Rothstein

To think that less than four years ago it was a scandal that Obama ate a hamburger with mustard on it.

And wore a gray suit.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:43:29am

re: #5 HappyWarrior

It’s so fucked up. He literally accused Scarborough of murder yesterday.

Yeah, but can you prove that Scarborough DIDN’T murder her?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:44:02am

Can we survive Trump? Possibly yes. But how and will we recover needs to be asked too.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:44:03am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

And wore a gray suit.

AND USED A SELFIE STICK!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:44:16am

re: #8 BlueGrl21

I’ve reached the point where I just can’t take it any more. For my own mental health I am off any social media and ignoring his tweets. My husband teaches political science and he’s totally plugged in, as are my teenagers. They inform me if there’s anything I need to be aware of. Through their filter, which is much more entertaining.

I’m working on rediscovering the Romantic era poets and writing a book. Or I will spend my days getting triggered by a malignant narcissist, something I learned to stop doing when I was 18.

I delete any sort of political posting on FB, pro-or anti-Trump. I follow the news, note his remarks but refuse to react other than to note that they occurred. And I am getting back into Russian poets of the Silver Age (turn of the 20th Century) and writing fiction as well.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:44:31am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

And wore a gray suit.

It was brown. The horror lives with me still.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:45:09am

Ahhh…I’m having to hide the screen when students come by because of the language….

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:45:12am

There’s also reports he’s denying that was him on the AH type. That means to me he’s gotten worse from last fall. Last fall he admitted it but made some excuses.

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MsJ  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:45:45am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

And wore a gray suit.

Tan.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:46:11am

re: #15 Decatur Deb

It was brown. The horror lives with me still.

That’s right. It was brown. Sorry heh I watched Borat recently.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:46:24am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

And wore a gray suit.

without a flag lapel pin!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:46:27am

re: #18 MsJ

Tan.

That’s right. I’m off today.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:47:14am

re: #17 HappyWarrior

There’s also reports he’s denying that was him on the AH type. That means to me he’s gotten worse from last fall. Last fall he admitted it but made some excuses.

This is the sort of bizarre behavior you saw in Michael Jackson and Prince in their later years. Insane wealth and being surrounded by sycophants created a sense that reality was something they just created every day according to their whims.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:47:15am

re: #5 HappyWarrior

It’s so fucked up. He literally accused Scarborough of murder yesterday.

Hey, Trump was just asking questions….

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:47:44am

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Can we survive Trump? Possibly yes. But how and will we recover needs to be asked too.

Only if the questions and answers are realistic. If we win every seat up for election in the Senate, we’d be up by 6 votes. We’d be able to investigate and block some things, but we’re not going to fix a whole lot until 2020. And, in 2020, unless we reach 60+ votes in the Senate, there’s a lot of things we’re not going to be able to do.

And then there’s the states.

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Interesting Times  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:47:48am

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Can we survive Trump? Possibly yes. But how and will we recover needs to be asked too.

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Skip Intro  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:48:35am

He was BLACK!!!

In the WHITE HOUSE!!!!!

The GOP will never get over that

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:49:17am

re: #22 Scottish Dragon

This is the sort of bizarre behavior you saw in Michael Jackson and Prince in their later years. Insane wealth and being surrounded by sycophants created a sense that reality was something they just created every day according to their whims.

Yeah it’s totally strange. He clearly is not healthy mentally and I’m going to be furious if it comes out later, he had dementia after all the trashing of HRC’s health.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:49:49am

re: #25 Interesting Times

I fear Grandma is right.

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:50:15am

re: #25 Interesting Times

It’s a problem. But, we’re not fighting a major world depression right now, and we’ve seen it before. I’m not saying it’s going to be easy, but we’re not exactly in the same boat.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:50:27am

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Can we survive Trump? Possibly yes. But how and will we recover needs to be asked too.

What I’m concerned about most is his effect on the GOP. They have truly embraced the post-truth, power-is-the-only-thing-that-matters ethos. Sure, they always did have tendencies in that direction, but look what’s happening now - they’re rushing to pass this horrible tax bill in the Senate before anyone can figure out what it will do, because they KNOW just how bad it will be, and all the while they’re telling bald-faced lies about what it does.

They’ve figured out that maybe there’s no percentage in honesty, that there’s no downside to abuse of power. They act like they’ll never have to deal with the consequences. It’s like they took all the checks and balances and the safeguards and chucked them out the window because they can.

That scares me.

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ObserverArt  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:51:41am

The image Charles chose for this thread is ALL Donny Trump.

That should be his official portrait and hung in the halls of The White House for history.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:51:46am

re: #25 Interesting Times

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I’m sure this can probably be echoed.

My older black relatives have made mentions of the stresses they feel about America now are as bad as some felt at times in the segregated South.

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Lidane  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:52:10am

*sigh*

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Decatur Deb  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:53:40am

re: #29 Belafon

It’s a problem. But, we’re not fighting a major world depression right now, and we’ve seen it before. I’m not saying it’s going to be easy, but we’re not exactly in the same boat.

Fortunately we have the economic genius of the GOP legislators to fend off a major crash.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:53:45am

re: #26 Skip Intro

He was BLACK!!!

In the WHITE HOUSE!!!!!

The GOP will never get over that

exactly. here was someone who exemplified and lived the American Dream: coming from a non-privileged background, making it to be editor of Harvard law Review, the US Senate and then the highest office in the land through hard work and dedication…what could be more inspiring for Americans of all races and backgrounds?

But to recognize that would mean at least grudgingly acknowledging his accomplishments and for some reason, they could not do that: instead we heard that he was at best an affirmative action upstart, at worst, a Kenyan Muslim Terrorist Sympathizer Manchurian Candidate or even The Antichrist Incarnate.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:53:49am

re: #30 Blind Frog Belly White

What I’m concerned about most is his effect on the GOP. They have truly embraced the post-truth, power-is-the-only-thing-that-matters ethos. Sure, they always did have tendencies in that direction, but look what’s happening now - they’re rushing to pass this horrible tax bill in the Senate before anyone can figure out what it will do, because they KNOW just how bad it will be, and all the while they’re telling bald-faced lies about what it does.

They’ve figured out that maybe there’s no percentage in honesty, that there’s no downside to abuse of power. They act like they’ll never have to deal with the consequences. It’s like they took all the checks and balances and the safeguards and chucked them out the window because they can.

That scares me.

I’m concerned about that too. I was honestly regardless of last fall’s results but more so now that he won.

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wrenchwench  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:54:00am

re: #31 ObserverArt

The image Charles chose for this thread is ALL Donny Trump.

That should be his official portrait and hung in the halls of The White House for history.

And then covered.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:54:05am

re: #33 Lidane

*sigh*

I am not at all certain that America will get out this intact. Things are building to some sort of social explosion.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:54:21am

The thing that bothers me about what Trumpy does to the country is to the extent it models a new type of ‘attacking’ presidency: I mean, Trump and his toxic sons will somebday be gone, but by that time, will the media and political environment be changed to such a degree that the next presidents will have to spend their time attacking people on Twitter and elsewhere to maintain their political standing and keep their bases satisfied? Past presidents have maintained some degree of statesmanship, allowing surrogates to engage the media and political opponents. But now, I worry will a more statesmanlike president survive in a post-Trump, media and political world?

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Charles Johnson  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:54:49am

This is not a joke.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:54:53am

gaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:55:04am

re: #35 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

exactly. here was someone who exemplified and lived the American Dream: coming from a non-privileged background, making it to be editor of Harvard law Review, the US Senate and then the highest office in the land through hard work and dedication…what could be more inspiring for Americans of all races and backgrounds?

But to recognize that would mean at least grudgingly acknowledging his accomplishments and for some reason, they could not do that: instead we heard that he was at best an affirmative action upstart, at worst, a Kenyan Muslim Macnhurian Candidate or even The Antichrist Incarnate.

My mom thought (or still thinks) Obama was literally the Anti Christ.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:55:24am

re: #37 wrenchwench

And then covered.

With a wall. That Mexico would pay for.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:57:02am

re: #15 Decatur Deb

It was brown. The horror lives with me still.

It was TAN!!!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:57:07am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

This is not a joke.

Because men don’t get sexually harassed either and blaming women. Sigh. These fucking people man.

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Interesting Times  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:57:31am

re: #29 Belafon

It’s a problem. But, we’re not fighting a major world depression right now, and we’ve seen it before. I’m not saying it’s going to be easy, but we’re not exactly in the same boat.

In a weird way, that makes it even worse - had we had a major economic crisis last year, I’d have been far less surprised by Cheeto Benito’s win. Things were so bad in post-WWI Germany one could understand how so many fell prey to a demagogue. Same as how, with North Korea, you can understand why the populace would believe crazy things since they’ve been subjected to extreme coercive propaganda all their lives.

But America? The wounds, it seems, are entirely self-inflicted and absurdly unnecessary. It’s a nation pretty much derping itself to death.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:57:58am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

This is not a joke.

My God.

By the way, it was all over the Twitters yesterday the Roy Moore wrote a law textbook for one of those fringe fundamentalist separatist schools wherein he explains women should never be allowed into public office and probably should not be allowed to vote.

The school/foundation got shut down after it came out the leader was abusing teen girls, of course.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:58:30am
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Two thoughts:

1) Tell Kevin Spacey’s victims that.

2) You could achieve the same thing by either sending all the MEN home to raise the kids, or just by having men not sexually harass anyone.

But, in a larger sense, What. The. Fuck.?

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Kragar  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:58:37am
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:58:55am
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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:58:56am

re: #46 Interesting Times

In a weird way, that makes it even worse - had we had a major economic crisis last year, I’d have been far less surprised by Cheeto Benito’s win. Things were so bad in post-WWI Germany one could understand how so many fell prey to a demagogue. Same as how, with North Korea, you can understand why the populace would believe crazy things since they’ve been subjected to extreme coercive propaganda all their lives.

But America? The wounds, it seems, are entirely self-inflicted and absurdly unnecessary. It’s a nation pretty much derping itself to death.

I’m not saying it’s frustrating. I’m saying we can recover from it.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:59:59am

re: #51 Belafon

I’m not saying it’s frustrating. I’m saying we can recover from it.

We could…but we have to choose to do so and a significant part of the population likes it this way or wants it to be even worse.

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 11:59:59am

re: #35 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

exactly. here was someone who exemplified and lived the American Dream: coming from a non-privileged background, making it to be editor of Harvard law Review, the US Senate and then the highest office in the land through hard work and dedication…what could be more inspiring for Americans of all races and backgrounds?

But to recognize that would mean at least grudgingly acknowledging his accomplishments and for some reason, they could not do that: instead we heard that he was at best an affirmative action upstart, at worst, a Kenyan Muslim Macnhurian Candidate or even The Antichrist Incarnate.

his accomplishments imply that they’d have to do the same amount of hard work (birthright privilege / head starts aside) to achieve the same level of success. and that’s more than any of them want to do. they want it handed to them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:00:40pm

re: #50 The Vicious Babushka

Read it earlier. It’s a good read. The Net Neutrality repeal could really hurt the economy too much like Smoot-Hawley did.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:00:48pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

It was TAN!!!

Tan is brown. Cerulian is blue.

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petesh  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:00:58pm

re: #6 Blind Frog Belly White

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:01:22pm

re: #55 Decatur Deb

Tan is brown. Cerulian is blue.

It was GOLD!!!!

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:02:26pm

re: #52 Scottish Dragon

We could…but we have to choose to do so and a significant part of the population likes it this way or wants it to be even worse.

Well, screw them. They didn’t like the changes in the 60s either.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:03:06pm

re: #57 Scottish Dragon

It was GOLD!!!!

This a suit is a black, not.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:03:11pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

And wore a gray suit.

It was tan.
TAN DAMNIT.
TAN!!!

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Charles Johnson  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:03:12pm
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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:03:38pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

This is not a joke.

It’s worth repeating that exactly zero sexual harassment would occur in the workplace if women were at home raising the kids.

while this is a moronic comment, i’ll bite:

it’s worth repeating that exactly zero sexual harassment would occur in the workplace if men were at home raising the kids. the women would probably do a better job, and in less time. (…backwards and in high heels….)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:03:45pm

re: #33 Lidane

*sigh*

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except, IIRC, Jesus was not falsely accused.
The powers that be just didn’t approve of what he was doing.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:04:36pm

re: #53 dangerman

his accomplishments imply that they’d have to do the same amount of hard work (birthright privilege / head starts aside) to achieve the same level of success. and that’s more than any of them want to do. they want it handed to them.

And here is where a lot of the hatred come in. Barack Obama had to do MORE THAN the same amount of hard work, still get some breaks(not as much as they did) and he outstripped the expectations that the privileged have of those people. They can’t handle that.

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makeitstop  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:04:47pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

And then covered taken outside and burned.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:04:57pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

This is not a joke.

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HOLY SHIT:

“Another 2016 report revealed a child sex abuse epidemic in the US military. Hundreds of children of US service members are abused each year, most of them being the children of enlisted service members, the report says.”

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blueraven  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:05:17pm

re: #48 Blind Frog Belly White

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Two thoughts:

1) Tell Kevin Spacey’s victims that.

2) You could achieve the same thing by either sending all the MEN home to raise the kids, or just by having men not sexually harass anyone.

But, in a larger sense, What. The. Fuck.?

Yeah, some people get robbed on the streets at gunpoint.
Everyone should just stay the hell home!

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:05:37pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

It was TAN!!!

“some say” it was brown, or grey (or is that gray?)

we should start a page on the right and debate the crap out of it. hurling insults, trolling, name calling, getting every so called and self described “expert”. you know, all the greatest hits

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:05:58pm

re: #66 Eclectic Cyborg

You clicked on an RT link?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:06:30pm

Lre: #68 dangerman

“some say” it was brown, or grey (or is that gray?)

we should start a page on the right and debate the crap out of it. hurling insults, trolling, name calling, getting every so called and self described “expert”. you know, all the greatest hits

I love that this is happening because I honestly forgot the color of the suit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:07:40pm

re: #69 Belafon

You clicked on an RT link?

Well hell, apparently I did without realizing it. Thanks for the heads up.

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:07:46pm

re: #47 Scottish Dragon

My God.

By the way, it was all over the Twitters yesterday the Roy Moore wrote a law textbook for one of those fringe fundamentalist separatist schools wherein he explains women should never be allowed into public office and probably should not be allowed to vote.

The school/foundation got shut down after it came out the leader was abusing teen girls, of course.

there is no constitutional standard of fitness to be senator. the senate self polices.

judges, on the other hand are supposed to be vetted. though extreme views dont seem to matter much lately

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petesh  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:07:48pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

L

I love that this is happening because I honestly forgot the color of the suit.

He wore suits (that fit)?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:08:03pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:08:20pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Can we survive Trump? Possibly yes. But how and will we recover needs to be asked too.

We recovered from the Civil War; we can recover from Trump.

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wrenchwench  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:08:52pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

Because men don’t get sexually harassed either and blaming women. Sigh. These fucking people man.

OK, time for me to come clean.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:10:00pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

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Decatur Deb  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:10:03pm

re: #75 Big Beautiful Door

We recovered from the Civil War; we can recover from Trump.

Are you sure we recovered from the War of Northern Aggression?

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MsJ  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:10:19pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

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makeitstop  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:10:23pm

re: #76 wrenchwench

OK, time for me to come clean.

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wrenchwench  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:10:47pm

re: #75 Big Beautiful Door

We recovered from the Civil War; we can recover from Trump.

Recovering from Trump will consist in part in continuing the recovery from the Civil War.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:10:49pm

re: #64 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

And here is where a lot of the hatred come in. Barack Obama had to do MORE THAN the same amount of hard work, still get some breaks(not as much as they did) and he outstripped the expectations that the privileged have of those people. They can’t handle that.

What amuses me is every Republican nominee since W Bush has been a product of the elite. Bush was a senstor’s grandson and son of a big shot in the oil biz, McCain was a son and grandson of high ranking military personal, Romney of an automobile company exec and governor, and of course Trump. Yet this is the party that likes to lecture about bootstraps. Obama and Biden as with Clinton and Kaine last fall made their own names through their own actions.

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:11:18pm

re: #64 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

And here is where a lot of the hatred come in. Barack Obama had to do MORE THAN the same amount of hard work, still get some breaks(not as much as they did) and he outstripped the expectations that the privileged have of those people. They can’t handle that.

“black man raises the performance standard for unmotivated white people” //s

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:11:23pm

re: #75 Big Beautiful Door

We recovered from the Civil War; we can recover from Trump.

SOME of us recovered from the Civil War…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:12:05pm

re: #75 Big Beautiful Door

We recovered from the Civil War; we can recover from Trump.

I agree. I just hope we don’t repeat the same mistakes. I’ll be dead in 150 years but I want my descendants to know Trump was an abdomination.

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wrenchwench  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:12:33pm

re: #80 makeitstop

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:13:40pm

re: #67 blueraven

Yeah, some people get robbed on the streets at gunpoint.
Everyone should just stay the hell home!

or no one should walk the streets without a gun //s

is there a sexual harassment moronic equivalent metaphor for “if everyone had a gun….there’d be no…..”

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blueraven  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:14:25pm

re: #75 Big Beautiful Door

We recovered from the Civil War; we can recover from Trump.

Not so clear that we have fully recovered. Still waves of white supremacy and dreams that the “south shall rise again”!

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:14:53pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

L

I love that this is happening because I honestly forgot the color of the suit.

i have no idea what color it was

i know what color the media says it was

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Interesting Times  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:15:12pm

re: #88 blueraven

Not so clear that we have fully recovered. Still waves of white supremacy and dreams that the “south shall rise again”!

Also too, the confederacy and its sympathizers didn’t have nukes o_O

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Decatur Deb  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:15:35pm

re: #87 dangerman

or no one should walk the streets without a gun //s

is there a sexual harassment moronic equivalent metaphor for “if everyone had a gun….there’d be no…..”

Yes. If everyone had a gun there’d be no rape. Or parking near fire hydrants, or…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:15:57pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
I missed this one last night:

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wrenchwench  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:17:17pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
I missed this one last night:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:18:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:18:32pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
I missed this one last night:

Yeah like you should have been.

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:20:05pm

re: #76 wrenchwench

OK, time for me to come clean.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:21:31pm

re: #72 dangerman

there is no constitutional standard of fitness to be senator. the senate self polices.

judges, on the other hand are supposed to be vetted. though extreme views dont seem to matter much lately

Shot….

huffingtonpost.com

Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore was a co-author and contributor to a 2011 textbook and series of audio and visual lectures, titled Law and Government: An Introductory Study Course, that promoted unequal gender roles and criticized women’s suffrage.
ThinkProgress reported Wednesday evening that the textbook was part of a study course for Vision Forum, a now-defunct evangelical organization in Texas that taught a version of biblical patriarchy. Law and Government includes 28 hours of lectures from Moore and several other speakers. Moore is one of four co-authors listed on the project.
“In addition to learning concepts of civil government and public policy, students will be strengthened in their understanding of biblical principles which govern us and which point us to the Lawgiver who governs us all ― Jesus Christ,” Amazon’s summary of the book reads.
According to ThinkProgress, the course includes a 2008 lecture from Moore where he discusses his 2003 fight with a federal judge, in which he refused to take down a 5,200-pound statue of the Ten Commandments from the lobby of the Alabama state judicial building. In the lecture, Moore also “bemoans the arrival of marriage equality,” which the California Supreme Court had recently approved, ThinkProgress notes.
Another lecture included in the course, titled “What the Bible Says About Female Magistrates,” argues that the Bible does not allow women to hold political office. The lecture, by William Einwechter, a teaching elder at a Pennsylvania church, criticizes the women’s suffrage movement, which won women the right to vote.

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S'latch  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:21:56pm

I’m not even the least bit worried any longer because Keith Olbermann confidently announced “Trump is Finished,” waved bye-bye to politics, went home, and went to bed.

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:22:17pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

I agree. I just hope we don’t repeat the same mistakes. I’ll be dead in 150 years but I want my descendants to know Trump was an abdomination.

i have no doubt that history and posterity will not treat him, mcconnell, ryan or any of this administration kindly

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:23:23pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

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wrenchwench  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:24:04pm

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Interesting Times  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:24:44pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

I agree. I just hope we don’t repeat the same mistakes. I’ll be dead in 150 years but I want my descendants to know Trump was an abdomination.

No more an abomination than the millions and millions of people who voted for and enable him.

How do you fix a country where that many citizens are WILLFULLY stupid, mean and ignorant? :/

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:25:04pm

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:25:48pm

Chaser….

Besides Moore, the textbook’s other co-authors are listed as Doug Phillips, Dr. Joseph Morecraft and Dr. Paul Jehle.
Phillips, who was the president of Vision Forum, admitted in 2013 to having a “lengthy” extramarital relationship with a woman. The woman, who later sued Phillips and Vision Forum, said Phillips “methodically groomed” her when she was only 15 years old and said he sexually and emotionally abused her for years. Phillips resigned in 2013, and the organization folded in 2014.

You can count on it…every single time.

The Duggars, Bill Gothard….you always find teen girls being abused.

Roy Moore is in his natural state with these people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:26:28pm
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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:26:58pm

re: #107 Interesting Times

No more an abomination than the millions and millions of people who voted for and enable him.

How do you fix a country where that many citizens are WILLFULLY stupid, mean and ignorant? :/

1. We’ve had people like this around since the beginning.
2. You fix it by getting the good people to do their jobs and vote.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:27:14pm

re: #109 Scottish Dragon

Chaser….

You can count on it…every single time.

The Duggars, Bill Gothard….you always find teen girls being abused.

Roy Moore is in his natural state with these people.

TBH I’d be more shocked to find people like this who aren’t grade A creeps.

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:27:25pm

re: #99 Scottish Dragon

huffingtonpost.com

yes that text is what i was referring to.

to be a senator: age, citizenship, residency

views, opinions, goals, history dont enter into it

apparently neither does serial child molesting

if you get the votes, its up the the senate itself to say you are too odious for us

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ObserverArt  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:27:49pm

re: #76 wrenchwench

OK, time for me to come clean.

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Ahhh…you broke the 13th Commandment.

Thou Shalt Not Shack Up.

It was on one of the tablets that Moses broke and never replaced.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:29:10pm

re: #107 Interesting Times

No more an abomination than the millions and millions of people who voted for and enable him.

How do you fix a country where that many citizens are WILLFULLY stupid, mean and ignorant? :/

The rest of us have to put them in their place, and drag them kicking and screaming forward, as we have been doing for the last 157 years.

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Interesting Times  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:30:59pm

Oh look, Richard Spencer’s about to get a new job: -_-

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gocart mozart  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:31:07pm

So that was this guy

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Skip Intro  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:33:46pm

re: #51 Belafon

I’m not saying it’s frustrating. I’m saying we can recover from it.

Sure. The Germans and Japanese recovered too. It just took decades and the lives of tens of millions of people. Even the Russians recovered from 1918 but it took 70 years and then they slipped back into an authoritarian oligarchy.

But let’s just pretend this will all just go away as soon as trump is gone. No doubt things will work out differently for us than it did for the Germans, the Japanese, and the Russians.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:35:17pm

Satire is dead, so Alexandra Petri at the Washington Post dusts off Swift’s A Modest Proposal for today…

washingtonpost.com

I am going to argue for the unpopular, nay, shocking view that Alabama voters should consider eating baby Democrats. No, this isn’t satire. Satire is dead.
Even if Roy Moore did what he is accused of doing, and we often can agree he did, I still think voting for him would be appropriate — no, just. What he did had a certain merit to it, when you consider that he was born centuries ago, in biblical times, before we had laws or limits to consent. At least, I think he was. That is certainly the vibe he gives off. But after coming to that decision, we reach the real problem: As long as there are Democrats in Alabama, some of them will vote against Moore or run for office against him, which seems a great shame now that we have decreed he is morally acceptable. What alternative remains?
Simple: Eat the Democrats’ young.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:37:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:38:16pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

She’s so full of shit.

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Skip Intro  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:39:57pm

re: #75 Big Beautiful Door

We recovered from the Civil War; we can recover from Trump.

Think of the Civil War where the government of the North joined forces with the Confederacy against the liberals and abolitionists.

That’s our situation today.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:40:03pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

She’s so full of shit.

She will be remembered in history books if we have a future where history books still matter.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:40:24pm

I expect nothing less from the man who prejudged the Central Park Five and wanted them executed.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:40:36pm

re: #123 Scottish Dragon

She will be remembered in history books if we have a future where history books still matter.

Yep.

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Teukka  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:40:39pm

re: #25 Interesting Times

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alloutofcrazyhere  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:42:16pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

To quote Christopher Hitchens:

“If you gave her an enema, you could bury her in a matchbox.”

Technically, that was about Jerry Falwell, but the same rules apply.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:42:20pm

re: #126 Teukka

I won’t bore you with the litany of Finlands history. But I concur with the grandma. Things will only get weirder and weirder, until it is past the point of no return.

Actually I’d be interested in hearing more about Finland’s history. Your nation like my grandmother’s parents home of Slovakia was in between Nazi Germany and the USSR.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:42:50pm

re: #127 alloutofcrazyhere

To quote Christopher Hitchens:

“If you gave her an enema, you could bury her in a matchbox.”

Technically, that was about Jerry Falwell, but the same rules apply.

I wish we had Hitchens to fight with us now.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:43:41pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

That did not work out for Trumps ex wife did it?

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:44:08pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

I wish we had Hitchens to fight with us now.

He loathed Clinton.

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makeitstop  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:44:24pm

re: #118 Skip Intro

But let’s just pretend this will all just go away

Because obviously, that’s exactly what we’re doing.
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alloutofcrazyhere  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:45:45pm

re: #131 Big Beautiful Door

I think he’d make an exception here.

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Skip Intro  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:45:52pm

re: #123 Scottish Dragon

She will be remembered in history books if we have a future where history books still matter.

The victors always get to write the history. so it’s an open question.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:46:54pm

re: #131 Big Beautiful Door

He loathed Clinton.

He did but I bet he would loathe Trump more.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:47:20pm

re: #122 Skip Intro

Think of the Civil War where the government of the North joined forces with the Confederacy against the liberals and abolitionists.

That’s out situation today.

That is why is am not so sanguine about our situation. We are showing signs of late imperial decay and we cannot admit to ourselves what the problems actually are or that the problems even exist. Susan Collins saying today that people should not worry about Trumps’ mental health is just the latest iteration.

While we transfer billion in wealth to our political donor class, India is building gigantic solar energy farms and China is building new 21st century infrastructure.

We cannot manage to build a bullet train. Japan has had them for decades.

We coasted on the laurels of WW2 for 50 years…and we never bothered to look around and see that other countries had not only caught up with us but we pulling ahead.

Instead, we keep claiming we are number one and cut taxes for the top one percent while our infrastructure crumbles and our manufacturing base fades away.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:47:29pm
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Pretty sure she’s unclear on the definition of ‘elevating’ and ‘conversation’. Maybe other words, too. Probably good on ‘Trump’ and ‘is’.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:49:53pm

re: #6 Blind Frog Belly White

Slightly less ‘Fuck’:

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jeffreyw  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:50:37pm

re: #123 Scottish Dragon

She will be remembered in history books if we have a future where history books still matter.

…if there still be books.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:50:43pm

re: #137 Blind Frog Belly White

Pretty sure she’s unclear on the definition of ‘elevating’ and ‘conversation’. Maybe other words, too. Probably good on ‘Trump’ and ‘is’.

sweet fancy moses

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:52:57pm

re: #118 Skip Intro

Sure. The Germans and Japanese recovered too. It just took decades and the lives of tens of millions of people. Even the Russians recovered from 1918 but it took 70 years and then they slipped back into an authoritarian oligarchy.

But let’s just pretend this will all just go away as soon as trump is gone. No doubt things will work out differently for us than it did for the Germans, the Japanese, and the Russians.

If you read everything I’ve written over the past few months, you’ll recognize I understand it won’t happen overnight. That’s not what I said.

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Weaselone  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:54:43pm

re: #122 Skip Intro

Think of the Civil War where the government of the North joined forces with the Confederacy against the liberals and abolitionists.

That’s out situation today.

That’s not really the situation we face. The situation we face is more similar to what existed prior to the Civil War when the South was able to maintain dominance in the US by controlling the party which controlled the majority of states and thus Senate seats and usually the Presidency. The north eventually achieved an overwhelming population dominance that allowed it to wrest control of the Presidency and that ultimately kicked off the Civil War. In the meantime, the north had to deal with some seriously crappy policies (for example they were unable to pass the Morrill Act which established land grant colleges) and bad Supreme Court Justices.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:55:24pm

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bratwurst  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:55:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:56:55pm

O_o

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 12:58:02pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

REPORTER: Lots of economists say cutting corporate taxes won’t juice the economy. Your response?@PressSec: Well hey some studies say the opposite, so how can we really know?1pdkMR3Gk0

here’s how:

point to a couple and explain exactly how they apply to the current situation

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Stanley Sea  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:00:20pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:00:21pm
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Shape of the Earth: opinions vary.

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Teukka  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:00:25pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Actually I’d be interested in hearing more about Finland’s history. Your nation like my grandmother’s parents home of Slovakia was in between Nazi Germany and the USSR.

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Long story short, we had Nazi Germany as an ally during the continuation war (25 June 1941 - 19 September 1944).
The terms of the peace of ‘44 with the Soviets we had to comply with were harsh.
We lost an amount of land which would basically be the equivalent Alaska and most of the West coast states for the US (in terms of acreage).
We have limitations in our border services intended to make invasion easier.
We are not allowed submarines in our armed forces. Ever.
We are not allowed to have female conscription. Ever.
We are not allowed to seek justice for Soviet war crimes deep inside Finnish territory, and we were obliged to keep said crimes secret for 50 years. And still the Russian Federation threw a major hissy fit when a selection of the photos were published.
The Russian Federation has made it crystal clear it holds us to the peace deal of ‘44 (meaning, failure to comply means reinitiation of hostilities).
And get this, the above terms are non-negotiable.

Then we have the issue of the Lapland war (September 1944 to April 1945) when we ran the Vehrmacht out inside the time limit set by the Soviets. I won’t bother you with the details, but there’s a reason why the formal state of war between Germany and Finland lasted until 1956.

So, as a result, many of my generation and older got taught to recognize fascism from miles away, wherever the beast rears it ugly head. Which is why I concur with Jonah Freedman’s grandma. If it walks like a fascist and talks like a fascist, it most probably is a fascist. And whenever fascists are around, things have the potential to get really ugly.

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Bubblehead II  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:01:51pm

re: #30 Blind Frog Belly White

What I’m concerned about most is his effect on the GOP. They have truly embraced the post-truth, power-is-the-only-thing-that-matters ethos. Sure, they always did have tendencies in that direction, but look what’s happening now - they’re rushing to pass this horrible tax bill in the Senate before anyone can figure out what it will do, because they KNOW just how bad it will be, and all the while they’re telling bald-faced lies about what it does.

They’ve figured out that maybe there’s no percentage in honesty, that there’s no downside to abuse of power. They act like they’ll never have to deal with the consequences. It’s like they took all the checks and balances and the safeguards and chucked them out the window because they can.

That scares me.

Seem to remember a certain Russian Sub Captain that removed all the safeguards. It didn’t turn out well for him or his crew. His X.O called him an arrogant ass just before they all died.

Same thing can happen to the republican party.

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wrenchwench  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:04:32pm

re: #153 nines09

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Stack ‘em. Both scores count.

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nines09  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:05:41pm

re: #154 wrenchwench

Stack ‘em. Both scores count.

It’s been so long since I played, I have no idea.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:06:06pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

$1 trillion and we don’t even get a decent war for that…

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But wait, there’s more! The GOP is promising that the expiration of middle class income tax cuts is just an accounting gimmick and they won’t allow it to occur, so the debt will actually be increased by close to $3 trillion!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:06:21pm

jeebus.
he just can’t stop lying.

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wrenchwench  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:07:05pm

re: #155 nines09

It’s been so long since I played, I have no idea.

My answer was not within the rules, but, you know, special circumstances.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:07:50pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:07:53pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

My answer was not within the rules, but, you know, special circumstances.

three dimensional Scrabble…

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Skip Intro  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:07:56pm

Let Little Marco explain it all to you.

“I analyze this very differently than most,” Rubio told the crowd. “Many argue that you can’t cut taxes because it will drive up the deficit. But we have to do two things. We have to generate economic growth which generates revenue, while reducing spending. That will mean instituting structural changes to Social Security and Medicare for the future,” the senator said.

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wrenchwench  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:08:38pm

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

three dimensional Scrabble…

Without dictionaries!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:08:42pm

O. M. G.

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sagehen  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:08:59pm

re: #118 Skip Intro

Sure. The Germans and Japanese recovered too. It just took decades and the lives of tens of millions of people. Even the Russians recovered from 1918 but it took 70 years and then they slipped back into an authoritarian oligarchy.

Britain was on the winning side, and it took them close to 40 years for just the home islands to recover (the rest of the empire being gone forever).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:09:06pm

re: #162 wrenchwench

Without dictionaries!

where we’re going, we don’t need no stinking dictionaries…

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wrenchwench  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:10:33pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

where we’re going, we don’t need no stinking dictionaries…

Or rules. Just ask Twitter, they’ll tell ya. Rules are for when we feel like it.

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nines09  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:12:11pm

re: #166 wrenchwench

Or rules. Just ask Twitter, they’ll tell ya. Rules are for when we feel like it.

Facebook and Twitter. Bringing the insanity right to your home screen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:12:31pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

O. M. G.

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Belafon  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:13:56pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

O. M. G.

“We have to allow the occasional murder just so that everyone knows what it’s like.”

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Skip Intro  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:14:54pm

How about a game of “Who Said It and When?”

“When I say they, who are ‘they?’” he asked. “They’re liberals. They don’t hold conservative values. They are the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender who want to change our culture. They are socialists who want to change our way of life and put man above God and the government is our God. They’re the Washington establishment…who don’t want to lose their power.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:17:13pm

re: #169 Belafon

“We have to allow the occasional murder just so that everyone knows what it’s like.”

So when do we start scheduling Purge nights?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:17:30pm

re: #170 Skip Intro

How about a game of “Who Said It and When?”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:18:03pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

O. M. G.

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:21:56pm

re: #173 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

They keep making excuses for a TOS abuser, who would have been banned long ago if his name wasn’t Trump.

it’s slightly more thorny because he’s the pres. but only slightly.

president or not, this is what happens when one “client” becomes so large it can have an outsized impact on your business

instead of making dispassionate business decisions you invariably cannot help but make decisions that are influenced by the size and power the client has over your profitability

whether the client knows it or not, or wields that power or not is not relevant

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:22:23pm

I wonder if trump has seen this?
Getting a head in your media career:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:23:10pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:24:49pm

Well the Wall Street crowd are celebrating the massive cash grab coming their way; stocks soared today. At least it helps my 401(k) a bit, for now. At least until the economy crashes because the 1% have all the money.

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nines09  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:25:10pm

re: #173 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Next up from Twitter, “Good Nazi, Bad Nazi. How to tell.”

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Charles Johnson  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:25:34pm
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sagehen  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:26:52pm

re: #176 dangerman

it’s slightly more thorny because he’s the pres. but only slightly.

president or not, this is what happens when one “client” becomes so large it can have an outsized impact on your business

instead of making dispassionate business decisions you invariably cannot help but make decisions that are influenced by the size and power the client has over your profitability

whether the client knows it or not, or wields that power or not is not relevant

Dwight D Eisehower, farewell speech
January 17, 1961

As we peer into society’s future, we - you and I, and our government - must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering for our own ease and convenience the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States corporations.

Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence—economic, political, even spiritual—is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet, we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

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Interesting Times  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:29:33pm

I’m just posting this for the headline:

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:30:20pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus.
he just can’t stop lying.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:31:56pm

I actually sort of understand Twitter’s dilemma with Trump’s ugly tweets. Like it or not (and I fucking hate it) this disgusting person is the president of the United States, and what he says is newsworthy. But it’s also what makes it so reckless and dangerous.

Trump is a goddamned agent of chaos, ripping apart every norm of behavior and turning everything he touches into shit.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:33:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:33:53pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

I actually sort of understand Twitter’s dilemma with Trump’s ugly tweets. Like it or not (and I fucking hate it) this disgusting person is the president of the United States, and what he says is newsworthy. But it’s also what makes it so reckless and dangerous.

Trump is a goddamned agent of chaos, ripping apart every norm of behavior and turning everything he touches into shit.

Twitter’s justification/excuse is still bullshit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:36:29pm

another twitter fight happening right now:

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:39:15pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

I actually sort of understand Twitter’s dilemma with Trump’s ugly tweets. Like it or not (and I fucking hate it) this disgusting person is the president of the United States, and what he says is newsworthy. But it’s also what makes it so reckless and dangerous.

Trump is a goddamned agent of chaos, ripping apart every norm of behavior and turning everything he touches into shit.

In this case they could’ve easily bypassed that dilemma by deleting Jayda Fransen’s tweets, even better they could’ve permanently suspended her account. That way they’d have effectively condemned Trump by proxy without actually censoring him per se. Instead they decided to tacitly endorse racism and xenophobia and issue a cowardly milquetoast justification for refusing to enforce their own standards.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:40:52pm

Mark Hamill wants you to get off his lawn.

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petesh  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:41:02pm

re: #123 Scottish Dragon

She will be remembered in history books if we have a future where history books still matter.

Footnote at most. Ms Sanders hasn’t yet come up with anything as memorable as “no longer operative” (Ron Ziegler, Nixon’s mouthpiece).

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jaunte  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:42:48pm
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:43:50pm

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

another twitter fight happening right now:

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Whoa. The You May Also Like column is an all star lineup of America’s worst.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:44:07pm

re: #192 jaunte

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any one of us could have told them that…

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:44:55pm

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

Twitter’s justification/excuse is still bullshit.

It’s worse than bullshit, they’re saying that by retweeting flagrant racist snuff videos Trump effectively redefines their standards of basic decency on the fly. They’re following him down this mental spiral of ever worsening depravity and dragging their user base and society at large along for the ride.

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gocart mozart  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:46:59pm

Heh

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William Lewis  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:47:12pm

re: #151 Bubblehead II

Good movie.

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sagehen  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:47:51pm

re: #192 jaunte

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:47:53pm

I had forgotten about this.

“I Was Almost Physically Sick”: Hillary Clinton Had Harsh Words for Matt Lauer’s Journalism

From Slate.

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jaunte  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:49:43pm

re: #199 sagehen

At night the huckabees creep out of the walls and eat the soul detritus.

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Targetpractice  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:49:53pm

re: #195 goddamnedfrank

It’s worse than bullshit, they’re saying that by retweeting flagrant racist snuff videos Trump effectively redefines their standards of basic decency on the fly. They’re following him down this mental spiral of ever worsening depravity and dragging their user base and society at large along for the ride.

I still remember when wingnuts went apeshit over a report that Obama had used ni**** in a speech about racial relations, and yet here’s Trump retweeting snuff videos and the argument is “Hey, we gotta allow this shit to remain because ‘both sides.’”

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jaunte  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:55:12pm
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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:57:04pm

re: #185 Charles Johnson

I actually sort of understand Twitter’s dilemma with Trump’s ugly tweets. Like it or not (and I fucking hate it) this disgusting person is the president of the United States, and what he says is newsworthy. But it’s also what makes it so reckless and dangerous.

Trump is a goddamned agent of chaos, ripping apart every norm of behavior and turning everything he touches into shit.

twitter is not “news”
it might not even be ‘media’

there are a number of things it could do if it wanted to

one is to take a principled stance and say “we dont care who you are or how many followers you have. you’re in our house and rules are the same for everybody. follow them or be booted out”

they could also find a way to mark and identify these kinds of tweets

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Charles Johnson  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:58:28pm

re: #189 goddamnedfrank

In this case they could’ve easily bypassed that dilemma by deleting Jayda Fransen’s tweets, even better they could’ve permanently suspended her account. That way they’d have effectively condemned Trump by proxy without actually censoring him per se. Instead they decided to tacitly endorse racism and xenophobia and issue a cowardly milquetoast justification for refusing to enforce their own standards.

This is true. And they’ve even verified fascist hate-monger Jayda Fransen’s account, by the way.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:58:29pm

re: #202 Targetpractice

I still remember when wingnuts went apeshit over a report that Obama had used ni**** in a speech about racial relations, and yet here’s Trump retweeting snuff videos and the argument is “Hey, we gotta allow this shit to remain because ‘both sides.’”

It’s worse than “both sides” though, because they’re justifying the deliberate presentation of flagrant racism, al quaeda propaganda, false representation and actual fucking snuff videos on the merits. SHS literally said the truth and basic decency of what’s being presented doesn’t matter because the existential threat of the other (immigrants) is “real.”

We’re in such a dark fucking place that we can’t even see the contrast anymore between right now and what would’ve been considered beyond the pale just two years ago. That’s how far our standards of behavior have been eroded in just that short amount of time.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:59:22pm

re: #203 jaunte

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dangerman  Nov 30, 2017 • 1:59:29pm

re: #203 jaunte

COLLINS says she does not think the #JCT score is accurate. That’s a blow to anyone hoping she’d flip and vote no

“please explain exactly why it is not accurate so that the jct can either revise or explain further”

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Amory Blaine  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:00:15pm

At least we’re 25% through his term. Shock and denial should be waning.

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:00:47pm

I don’t think this one will get retweeted, except by those who love a good mocking:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:02:01pm

re: #210 A dark and stormy covfefe

I don’t think this one will get retweeted, except by those who love a good mocking:

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Yeah my buddy who’s a wrestling fan was telling me about this. When I saw that, it almost looked like a parody of a right wing hysterical twitter account.

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petesh  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:02:35pm

re: #209 Amory Blaine

At least we’re 25% through his term. Shock and denial should be waning.

That’s a problem, because if true it would mean that this aberrant behavior — by the entire administration, not just the boss — is becoming normalized. It remains our duty to be shocked.

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BeachDem  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:03:17pm

re: #148 Stanley Sea

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And then there’s Mnuchin’s report/non-report/pile of steaming bullshit…or, as Charles Pierce describes it:

And, finally, getting back to Washington, there’s promising new Batman villain Steve Mnuchin, who has assured us that he has an analysis showing that the Abomination of Desolation will bring upon us a golden age of jobs.as The New York Times reports, however, there’s one problem with this analysis. It may not exist. Or, as the Times delicately puts it, the analysis “proves elusive.” As does Sasquatch.

esquire.com

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calochortus  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:03:21pm

Well, gah.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:04:03pm

This is why with all respect to you who use Twitter why I don’t have an account.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:04:41pm

re: #205 Charles Johnson

This is true. And they’ve even verified fascist hate-monger Jayda Fransen’s account, by the way,

@jack follows Mike Cernovich, which tells me all I need to know about him.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:05:19pm

re: #219 goddamnedfrank

@jack follows Mike Cernovich, which tells me all I need to know about him.

Yeah that does tell you something.

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jaunte  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:08:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:09:11pm

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Targetpractice  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:11:17pm

re: #221 jaunte

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:13:28pm

re: #223 Targetpractice

The GOP looked at this bill and declared “There is not a voting bloc that must go unfucked by this massive cash grab!”

it does not fucking matter. it will pass. and at least next year, enough people will see some temporary tax relief and think it was a good thing and continue to vote GOP

I am done being anything but pessimistic here.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:14:59pm

re: #223 Targetpractice

The GOP looked at this bill and declared “There is not a voting bloc that must go unfucked by this massive cash grab!”

i’m not sure if it’s part of the tax cut or not but I did see something on a friend’s Facebook about how Trump is pushing cuts for a program that helps make sure the elderly and disabled stay warm during the winter months. I mean you know what, reasonable people can disagree on many issues but there’s so many things that the GOP just want to cut out of sheer greed and to coddle their donor class. I honestly wish the GOP base would realize how much contempt the GOP rulers really have for them. Maybe then they’d shut up about libtards and realize that the GOP is their eral enemy but that’s pipe dreaming I know.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:16:10pm

I saw this picture, and it seems to me this perfectly describes the GOP tax plan:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:16:34pm

We have a party that loves talking about how we need to be more Christian blah blah but offers none of Christ’s message for the most vulnerable among us.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:20:27pm

I never ever want to hear Paul Ryan called a deficit hawk ever again. He’s not. He’s a typical Republican. Cares about the deficit when the opposition is in power but when his party, he’s fine with the debt increasing.

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Targetpractice  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:20:59pm

re: #224 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

it does not fucking matter. it will pass. and at least next year, enough people will see some temporary tax relief and think it was a good thing and continue to vote GOP

I am done being anything but pessimistic here.

I beat you there months ago, I am not expecting an 11th hour save like with Trumpcare. The GOP are scared shitless of a bloodletting next year and so see this as their last real chance to get this boondoggle passed. Even if they lose big at the polls next year, enough of this bill is written such that it will impossible to dismantle it without a supermajority in both houses. And with Trump in the White House, there’s little chance of that before 2020. So what if the bill leads to a new recession and massive inequality? Their pockets are stuffed, their retirement jobs in the private sector are assured, so they don’t give a fuck.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:21:15pm

re: #227 HappyWarrior

We have a party that loves talking about how we need to be more Christian blah blah but offers none of Christ’s message for the most vulnerable among us.

Straight white Christian men?
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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:21:50pm

re: #230 Blind Frog Belly White

Straight white Christian men?
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Oh yeah. /// Those poor dears.

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Targetpractice  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:22:07pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

I never ever want to hear Paul Ryan called a deficit hawk ever again. He’s not. He’s a typical Republican. Cares about the deficit when the opposition is in power but when his party, he’s fine with the debt increasing.

I expect the “deficit hawks” to pop up almost as soon as this bill is signed into law, declaring that with the coming $1 trillion added to the deficit, we now need “entitlement reform” to ensure “our grandchildren” don’t bear the burden.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:22:35pm

re: #231 gocart mozart

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:23:30pm

re: #229 Targetpractice

I beat you there months ago, I am not expecting an 11th hour save like with Trumpcare. The GOP are scared shitless of a bloodletting next year and so see this as their last real chance to get this boondoggle passed. Even if they lose big at the polls next year, enough of this bill is written such that it will impossible to dismantle it without a supermajority in both houses. And with Trump in the White House, there’s little chance of that before 2020. So what if the bill leads to a new recession and massive inequality? Their pockets are stuffed, their retirement jobs in the private sector are assured, so they don’t give a fuck.

Probably won’t lead to a new recession, but it won’t do anything to prevent the next cyclical downturn. But, yeah, it’ll really goose the already huge inequality in income and wealth.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:23:31pm

re: #233 Targetpractice

I expect the “deficit hawks” to pop up almost as soon as this bill is signed into law, declaring that with the coming $1 trillion added to the deficit, we now need “entitlement reform” to ensure “our grandchildren” don’t bear the burden.

Yeah it’s always stuff like that. Man I hate Paul Ryan and the entire Republican Party. I’m so glad our former resident Republican apologist isn’t here anymore because I’d probably go PLL on him and say stuff I regret.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:25:34pm

re: #235 Blind Frog Belly White

Probably won’t lead to a new recession, but it won’t do anything to prevent the next cyclical downturn. But, yeah, it’ll really goose the already huge inequality in income and wealth.

The thing is and what many conservatives don’t get is that their approach to the economy is what makes people inclined to see socialism as a good idea. In a sense, right wing economics is the best thing for a person who wants a complete overhaul of how the economy works because Republicans are okay with massive disparities in wealth, they are okay with people going without health care, etc.

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Targetpractice  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:26:56pm

re: #231 gocart mozart

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BeachDem  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:28:40pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

I never ever want to hear Paul Ryan called a deficit hawk ever again. He’s not. He’s a typical Republican. Cares about the deficit when the opposition is in power but when his party, he’s fine with the debt increasing.

Or, in a more perfect world…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:29:29pm

re: #233 Targetpractice

I expect the “deficit hawks” to pop up almost as soon as this bill is signed into law, declaring that with the coming $1 trillion added to the deficit, we now need “entitlement reform” to ensure “our grandchildren” don’t bear the burden.

Here’s why I think that’s unlikely: Medicare and Social Security, as much as the GOP WANTS TO attack them, are White People Programs. TANF, SNAP, CHIP, etc - those are seen as Welfare, i.e. Black People Programs.

It’s hard to get White People upset about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, even if the deficit downside makes cuts in White People Programs theoretically necessary. But if you try to pass a bill where those cuts are concrete, then all hell breaks lose.

No, we’re far more likely to just have higher deficits.

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Targetpractice  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:33:46pm

re: #241 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s why I think that’s unlikely: Medicare and Social Security, as much as the GOP WANTS TO attack them, are White People Programs. TANF, SNAP, CHIP, etc - those are seen as Welfare, i.e. Black People Programs.

It’s hard to get White People upset about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, even if the deficit downside makes cuts in White People Programs theoretically necessary. But if you try to pass a bill where those cuts are concrete, then all hell breaks lose.

No, we’re far more likely to just have higher deficits.

Hence the blanket code of “entitlement reform.” You don’t call them cuts outright, you spin them as necessary to “save” the program. Raising retirement age, higher co-pays, limiting services, cutting back on reimbursement, restricting access, etc. Tell folks that a few elderly citizens getting the shaft (usually portrayed as the “younger, fitter” ones) can afford to take it in the ass so the older GOP base keep their benefits at the current level. And if they still balk, break out “divide and conquer” by saying DNC won’t agree to cuts to programs that support “those people” and it’s why “entitlement reform” is needed.

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petesh  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:34:46pm

re: #241 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s why I think that’s unlikely: Medicare and Social Security, as much as the GOP WANTS TO attack them, are White People Programs. TANF, SNAP, CHIP, etc - those are seen as Welfare, i.e. Black People Programs.

It’s hard to get White People upset about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, even if the deficit downside makes cuts in White People Programs theoretically necessary. But if you try to pass a bill where those cuts are concrete, then all hell breaks lose.

No, we’re far more likely to just have higher deficits.

And that’s the optimistic view! In which eventually Democrats take over the government and fix things like Clinton and Obama, causing a rich revolt … rinse and repeat.

I think they actually will try to cut the big programs; which you might think concerns me because I’m on Medicare and will soon be taking my Social Security — but I’m fairly sure I’ll be, ahem, grandfathered in. That won’t stop me complaining!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:36:21pm

re: #239 BeachDem

Or, in a more perfect world…

Hopefully the welder beats him next year. We won’t be totally rid of him since he’ll get a cushy job somewhere, you know wingnut welfare.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:37:47pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:38:08pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:43:01pm

re: #246 HappyWarrior

Right and Simon was very clearly talking about how the Nazis scapegoated the Jews in their rise and early years in power when it was uncertain to the world that genocide was the end goal. It’s an absolutely apt analogy.

The Nazi Platform in 1932 did NOT say, “We’re gonna round up all the Jews in Germany. Some of them, we’ll shoot. Some of them, we’ll gas. Some of them, we’ll work to death. All of them, we’ll starve, and the goal is that we kill every last one of them. Oh, and we’re gonna take over surrounding countries, and do the same thing with THEIR Jews. Vote Nazi!”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:44:25pm

re: #249 Blind Frog Belly White

The Nazi Platform in 1932 did NOT say, “We’re gonna round up all the Jews in Germany. Some of them, we’ll shoot. Some of them, we’ll gas. Some of them, we’ll work to death. All of them, we’ll starve, and the goal is that we kill every last one of them. Oh, and we’re gonna take over surrounding countries, and do the same thing with THEIR Jews. Vote Nazi!”

Exactly.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:45:37pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Exactly.

It’s almost like they said what they needed to say to get elected, then did what they always were going to do that nobody would believe.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:47:45pm

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:47:47pm

re: #251 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s almost like they said what they needed to say to get elected, then did what they always were going to do that nobody would believe.

Precisely and that’s what those who claim the Nazis were socialists don’t get. They used some socialist rhetoric to get the working class to vote for them just as Trump used populist rhetoric to get people to vote for him too.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:49:45pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:50:13pm

good lord…Tim Scott (SC) saying taxes will go down 75% for the taxpayer earning $40,000 (and a whole lot of other nonsense=lies).

O_O

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:51:04pm

Scott saying he’s glad to see that his friends on the left are finally concerned about hte debt.

GOOD FUCKING GRIEF!

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Targetpractice  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:51:25pm

re: #249 Blind Frog Belly White

The Nazi Platform in 1932 did NOT say, “We’re gonna round up all the Jews in Germany. Some of them, we’ll shoot. Some of them, we’ll gas. Some of them, we’ll work to death. All of them, we’ll starve, and the goal is that we kill every last one of them. Oh, and we’re gonna take over surrounding countries, and do the same thing with THEIR Jews. Vote Nazi!”

The Jews weren’t even their primary target at the beginning. While Hitler and members of the party would show disdain for Jews, they needed their help getting into office and so saved most of their anger and hatred for the communists. The Nuremberg Laws weren’t passed until 1935, while Kristallnacht was another 3 years away. In other words, by the time the antisemitism became impossible to ignore, Hitler had already been in office for the better part of 6 years.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:51:46pm

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

Scott saying he’s glad to see that his friends on the left are finally concerned about hte debt.

GOOD FUCKING GRIEF!

Presumably so he doesn’t have to be.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:51:49pm

and he repeats the lie that we have the highest corporate taxes in the world.

Imma muting this asshole…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:52:17pm

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

Scott saying he’s glad to see that his friends on the left are finally concerned about hte debt.

GOOD FUCKING GRIEF!

I forgot Tim, where were you in the Bush years? Because I certainly was concerned about the debt especially when your party’s own VP said “Deficits don’t matter.” But I get it, you only care about the debt when Democrats are in power like a good Republican toady.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:52:53pm

re: #257 Targetpractice

The Jews weren’t even their primary target at the beginning. While Hitler and members of the party would show disdain for Jews, they needed their help getting into office and so saved most of their anger and hatred for the communists. The Nuremberg Laws weren’t passed until 1935, while Kristallnacht was another 3 years away. In other words, by the time the antisemitism became impossible to ignore, Hitler had already been in office for the better part of 6 years.

One of their big early targets and this again is why calling them socialists is absurd was socialist and trade labor unions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:53:02pm

Murkowski speaking now and agreeing with everything Scott just said.

gaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:54:06pm

oh yeah, Murkowski wants to open up ANWR for fossil fuel exploitation…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:54:34pm

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh yeah, Murkowski wants to open up ANWR for fossil fuel exploitation…

Of course she does.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:55:28pm

jeebus, they are just pulling mythological numbers out of their butts

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Targetpractice  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:55:29pm

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh yeah, Murkowski wants to open up ANWR for fossil fuel exploitation…

I’m gonna say something that will get me some sideways looks. Ready?

I’ve never seen someone so eager to admit they’ve whored themselves out.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:57:11pm

re: #233 Targetpractice

I expect the “deficit hawks” to pop up almost as soon as this bill is signed into law, declaring that with the coming $1 trillion added to the deficit, we now need “entitlement reform” to ensure “our grandchildren” don’t bear the burden.

You don’t have to wait, they already are.

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Citizen K  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:59:00pm
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MsJ  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:59:06pm

re: #241 Blind Frog Belly White

Here’s why I think that’s unlikely: Medicare and Social Security, as much as the GOP WANTS TO attack them, are White People Programs. TANF, SNAP, CHIP, etc - those are seen as Welfare, i.e. Black People Programs.

It’s hard to get White People upset about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, even if the deficit downside makes cuts in White People Programs theoretically necessary. But if you try to pass a bill where those cuts are concrete, then all hell breaks lose.

No, we’re far more likely to just have higher deficits.

You’re assuming they care about white people. They don’t. They’d kill is off as much as they’d look at us. They’ve tried this with SocSec before. Now that they can do it, they will.

They. Don’t. Care. About. Any. Of. Us. At all.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 2:59:57pm
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Answer: The “Fiscal Hawks” don’t really care about deficits. They never DID care about deficits.

Ever.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:01:21pm

re: #270 Blind Frog Belly White

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:01:36pm

re: #269 MsJ

You’re assuming they care about white people. They don’t. They’d kill is off as much as they’d look at us. They’ve tried this with SocSec before. Now that they can do it, they will.

They. Don’t. Care. About. Any. Of. Us. At all.

I’d argue this is a White People tax cut.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:04:49pm

re: #260 HappyWarrior

I forgot Tim, where were you in the Bush years? Because I certainly was concerned about the debt especially when your party’s own VP said “Deficits don’t matter.” But I get it, you only care about the debt when Democrats are in power like a good Republican toady.

Deficits to help poor and working people, bad. Deficits to finance tax cuts for billionaires good! See, its easy!

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:07:10pm

re: #269 MsJ

You’re assuming they care about white people. They don’t. They’d kill is off as much as they’d look at us. They’ve tried this with SocSec before. Now that they can do it, they will.

They. Don’t. Care. About. Any. Of. Us. At all.

If you wanted them to care about you, you’d donate $10 million to a Superpac to fund their campaigns.

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jaunte  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:17:06pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:18:49pm

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lawhawk  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:18:54pm

The JCT issues a standard score of the GOP tax scheme as adding $1.5 trillion to the debt. GOP demand that they want dynamic score because it proves that it will grow the economy.

GOP still tries to pass bill without the score.

JCT issues a dynamic score for the GOP plan. It still adds $1 trillion to the debt.

The GOP will still move to pass this monstrosity.

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They care only about passing a tax bill that redistributes wealth to the rich and the burdens to everyone else. Pass the bill and they also expect the debt to rise, and their response will not be to raise revenue, but to demand massive cuts to spending. Ultimately, the goal is to eliminate the New Deal/Great Society safety net plans that most Americans rely on in one form or another.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:22:12pm

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My surprise, etc.

Ten years ago, Conservative “economists” were briefly willing to admit that no tax cut has ever generated enough activity to cover even the revenue it lost, let alone INCREASE tax revenues.

Apparently they decided to forget they knew this.

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jaunte  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:24:00pm

re: #282 lawhawk

Ultimately, the goal is to eliminate the New Deal/Great Society safety net plans that most Americans rely on in one form or another.

It still surprises me that people who make it to congress don’t understand that eliminating those safeguards has the potential to fatally weaken the nation.

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MsJ  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:25:49pm

re: #282 lawhawk

The JCT issues a standard score of the GOP tax scheme as adding $1.5 trillion to the debt. GOP demand that they want dynamic score because it proves that it will grow the economy.

GOP still tries to pass bill without the score.

JCT issues a dynamic score for the GOP plan. It still adds $1 trillion to the debt.

The GOP will still move to pass this monstrosity.

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They care only about passing a tax bill that redistributes wealth to the rich and the burdens to everyone else. Pass the bill and they also expect the debt to rise, and their response will not be to raise revenue, but to demand massive cuts to spending. Ultimately, the goal is to eliminate the New Deal/Great Society safety net plans that most Americans rely on in one form or another.

Rubio had already said that SocSec and Medicare need to be cut. Outright called out both programs.

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lawhawk  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:27:49pm

re: #285 jaunte

These current GOP craven cronies seem to ignore that the 1950s saw massive economic growth and debt reduction along with wage growth and expanded workforce thanks to high tax on millionaires, progressive tax rates, and expanding economic opportunities.

Eisenhower was the last fiscally responsible GOPer. Everyone since has been pushing some form of voodoo economics.

The GOP wants a return to the pre 1950s by rolling back civil and voting rights, etc., but ignore how the economy grew all while tax rates maxed out above 70%.

Want to eliminate the debt or at least reduce it? That’s the only way to go. You can’t cut the tax rate and gut govt spending to get there. It just wont happen.

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lawhawk  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:29:37pm

re: #286 MsJ

Yup. They’re not making a secret of any of this - and the Democrats in FL need to make those in to ads that run against Rubio and the GOP from now to eternity.

Also, the GOP effort to push for chained CPI would have devastating consequences for all but the richest of Americans by depressing COLAs, putting people who have limited means in economic jeopardy when their expenses aren’t covered by the SS/Medicaid/Medicare.

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gocart mozart  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:31:42pm

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Citizen K  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:31:59pm

re: #285 jaunte

It still surprises me that people who make it to congress don’t understand that eliminating those safeguards has the potential to fatally weaken the nation.

What do they fucking care, they’ll be rich after all.

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Targetpractice  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:32:44pm

This is a bill like so many others that the GOP have pushed: One that should kill the myth of them as the party of “fiscal responsibility” and “fiscal conservatism,” yet their base and the media will continue forward with the propaganda campaign that only the GOP cares about “our grandkids” and “the common man.”

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Targetpractice  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:33:55pm

re: #289 gocart mozart

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jaunte  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:34:27pm

re: #290 Citizen K

I think a lot of our safety net was built so the not-so-well-off would have a reason to fight WW2. Now the GOP is trying to turn the clock back to the ’20s.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:37:12pm

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HE MUST IMMEDIATELY RESI….Oh. EX-Rep.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:41:16pm

Bernie pontificating now, with fist held high and now pointing that boney finger.

I need a drink…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:42:26pm

The symmetry is remarkable.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:44:41pm

This is really, really crazy.

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Citizen K  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:45:01pm

re: #293 jaunte

I think a lot of our safety net was built so the not-so-well-off would have a reason to fight WW2. Now the GOP is trying to turn the clock back to the ’20s.

The Neo-Gilded Age has always been their end game, with more than a hint of pre-Reconstruction south, where the non-white folks and women knew their place, hint hint.

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gocart mozart  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:45:33pm

Tom Cotton is a ‘bobble-throated slapdick’

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:46:39pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:46:51pm

The only thing that surprises me about the Tax Bill is that the Congress hasn’t exempted themselves from paying taxes at all.

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Ace Rothstein  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:48:03pm

re: #33 Lidane

Can’t that get their tax-exempt status revoked?

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Sea Mexican!  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:52:58pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

This is not a joke.

There’s an old Ruben Blades’ song, Decisiones, with three stories. The second one is about a landlord that makes a proposition to a neighbor in the most indecent way possible, for when her husband goes to work.

My point is … this sh*t would happen anywhere, regardless.

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jaunte  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:53:33pm

How to stop corporations from investing.

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Citizen K  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:53:51pm

re: #304 Skip Intro

The only thing that surprises me about the Tax Bill is that the Congress hasn’t exempted themselves from paying taxes at all.

Considering the bracket most of them are in, they’ve essentially done so without giving the game away outright to the rubes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:57:56pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:58:33pm

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:58:37pm

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 30, 2017 • 3:58:52pm

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 30, 2017 • 4:01:26pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 30, 2017 • 4:03:56pm

Even this week I’m still seeing complaints about Daylight Savings Time, but the weird thing is they’re coming from people who think we should stick with DST year ‘round because then there’s more light in the afternoons.

Everyone forgets that we tried that once, back in the late 1970s. Turned out that not only did we lose all the energy savings of the extra hour of light in the afternoon to the energy expended during the extra hour of dark in the morning, but also children were placed in the risky situation of waiting for the bus in the dark.

The other thing? A lot of people seem to think the change a few weeks back was Daylight Savings Time, not going off of DST and back to Standard. I can’t help them.

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BeachDem  Nov 30, 2017 • 4:04:58pm

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

good lord…Tim Scott (SC) saying taxes will go down 75% for the taxpayer earning $40,000 (and a whole lot of other nonsense=lies).

O_O

Yeah, so proud to have him representing me—ugh. I say again, he is one of the few people who inspires a visceral reaction whenever I am in the same room with him. Creeps. Me. Out. (Oh, and is a total fucking liar as well—although I suppose that was already implied.)

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wheat-dogg  Nov 30, 2017 • 4:07:40pm

re: #306 jaunte

An economist writing for Forbes also trashed the GOP tax bill, saying it would set the US economy back by decades.

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allegro  Nov 30, 2017 • 4:12:18pm

re: #308 Sea Mexican!

Upding for Ruben Blades. I love that guy.

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re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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The money quote about Cotton from Pierce:

Nobody this arrogant, this absolutely sure of himself, should be anywhere near the head of any intelligence agency. Mike Pompeo is just an unqualified nebbish who’ll be promoted, if he is, because he climbed on board the Trump Train when everybody else was running away from it. Tom Cotton is deeply, genuinely dangerous.

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ObserverArt  Nov 30, 2017 • 4:28:34pm

re: #193 Barefoot Grin

Whoa. The You May Also Like column is an all star lineup of America’s worst.

I noticed that too. The very example of an echo chamber.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 30, 2017 • 5:03:51pm

re: #247 Backwoods_Sleuth

and there’s this:
Does the GOP Tax Bill Introduce Anti-Abortion “Fetal Personhood” Legislation?

And from Politifact:
The House tax bill contains language about unborn children, but is it an attempt to ban abortion?

Can I get it a life insurance policy on it? Seeing how only 30 - 40 % of conceptions make it to live birth, the insurance companies are going to get drained quickly.


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Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ...
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
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4 days ago
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