The Big Shoe Drops: Michael Flynn Pleads Guilty to Lying to the FBI

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Robert Mueller is known for only making deals with people under investigation if they’re prepared to give him information that will lead him higher up in the chain of command, and today the news broke that Michael Flynn has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with the Russian ambassador during Trump’s campaign.

In this White House, the only people higher up than a National Security Adviser are… Donald Trump and Mike Pence.

And now we also have news that Flynn’s deal to cooperate with Mueller’s investigation includes a promise to testify that Donald Trump himself directed Flynn to make contact with the Russians.

Happy Friday news dump!

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Mike Lamb  Dec 1, 2017 • 10:53:22am

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allegro  Dec 1, 2017 • 10:59:29am

Betcha a lot of DC back rooms are reaaaaaally smokey right now.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:00:15am

Would love to see Flynn Jr. right about now.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:00:37am

re: #2 allegro

Even money bet. And I am sure a lot of local/state backrooms are smokey too.

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jimmyvluv4u  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:01:49am

re: #3 Mike Lamb

I’d bet a large sum of money that part of Flynn’s motivation in taking this plea was to limit Jr’s exposure.

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allegro  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:03:45am

re: #5 jimmyvluv4u

I’d bet a large sum of money that part of Flynn’s motivation in taking this plea was to limit Jr’s exposure.

There could be a touch of paternal altruism. I suspect it had more to do with spending the next decades in prison and taking his last breath in a cell.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:03:52am

GOP bigs should run, not walk, to the airport and board the next plane to Moscow. Otherwise they will get caught in the rush and suffer a fate worse than prison: Having to share a defector dacha with Dana Rohrabacher and Roger Stone.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:05:13am

re: #7 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

GOP bigs should run, not walk, to the airport and board the next plane to Moscow. Otherwise they will get caught in the rush and suffer a fate worse than prison: Having to share a defector dacha with Dana Rohrabacher and Roger Stone.

Which would make a great Tom Clancy novel ending with the plane mysteriously disappearing halfway across the Atlantic.

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allegro  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:06:43am

So when Trump promised us the biggest, most beautiful Christmas present ever a few days ago…

Heh.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:07:19am

re: #5 jimmyvluv4u

I’d bet a large sum of money that part of Flynn’s motivation in taking this plea was to limit Jr’s exposure.

One of the guy’s at my office as a similar theory in regards to Trump…once Flynn starts testifying against Donnie, Eric, and Kushner, Trump agrees to resign in exchange for favorable deals for all of them.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:07:21am

I get the feeling the ‘tone’ in the comments regarding Trump and Russia coming from any Republican politician have changed since around noontime today.

They have been as protective as they can be in a low key way. That is going to change.

Starting next week watch as the Republican bus starts warming up and Republicans start to take a seat.

Hell, this might even cause a bit of a change in Fox News. But that will be subtle as they build up a narrative to get ready to say they knew it all along…Trump was unfit for the job, and they tried to tell us, just all that nasty Hillary stuff got in the way.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:08:29am

re: #9 allegro

So when Trump promised us the biggest, most beautiful Christmas present ever a few days ago…

Heh.

The problem though, is that while this is great news and should get significant coverage, the Senate GOP is “quietly” fucking the other 99% with a cactus dildo.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:09:11am

I’m not even close to understanding all the legal ins and outs of this madness. I’m hoping this is the first of many dominos to fall. Will Flynn spend time in jail over this? Any idea who’s next?

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:10:59am

re: #13 A Mom Anon

Hopefully Flynn will get jail time and the next ones up are Pence and the uncouth one himself.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:11:05am

re: #13 A Mom Anon

I’m not even close to understanding all the legal ins and outs of this madness. I’m hoping this is the first of many dominos to fall. Will Flynn spend time in jail over this? Any idea who’s next?

Trump and Pence are next.

And Flynn’s time in jail will be judged on how much his testimony is worth and its effectiveness. It is being reported it is a three to five year sentence. I bet he does 18 months if he has the goods.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:11:30am

Happy Friday

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:11:47am

re: #13 A Mom Anon

I’m not even close to understanding all the legal ins and outs of this madness. I’m hoping this is the first of many dominos to fall. Will Flynn spend time in jail over this? Any idea who’s next?

I suspect that Kushner is most likely the next target. Maybe Donnie, Jr. as well.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:12:14am

re: #17 Dr Lizardo

I suspect that Kushner is most likely the next target. Maybe Donnie, Jr. as well.

Ivanka too possibly

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allegro  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:12:15am

re: #12 Mike Lamb

The problem though, is that while this is great news and should get significant coverage, the Senate GOP is “quietly” fucking the other 99% with a cactus dildo.

Yes, let’s do blow off the good news and wallow in some more despair. Just how I want to spend my day.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:14:21am

Flynn is a big domino. Can’t wait to hear how he just got Trump coffee.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:14:37am

Now I see the latest…The Clinton’s conspired with Trump to destroy the GOP.

Honestly how many Oxy tabs are these Trumpettes downing?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:15:29am

The talking point will be “Flynn is a confessed criminal! Who can believe his testimony? It was extracted under duress!”.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:15:43am

re: #21 Joe Bacon 🌹

Now I see the latest…The Clinton’s conspired with Trump to destroy the GOP.

Honestly how many Oxy tabs are these Trumpettes downing?

They’re poppin’ ‘em like M&M’s.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:15:56am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Flynn is a big domino. Can’t wait to hear how he just got Trump coffee.

you mean Covfefe?

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:17:29am

re: #22 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The talking point will be “Flynn is a confessed criminal! Who can believe his testimony? It was extracted under duress!”.

Before that will be “The real crime is that the FBI fabricated evidence to secure a wiretap! The whole case against Flynn is based upon lies!”

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:17:31am

re: #12 Mike Lamb

The problem though, is that while this is great news and should get significant coverage, the Senate GOP is “quietly” fucking the other 99% with a cactus dildo.

Quietly except for everyone talking about it and people calling their congress critters.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:17:39am

re: #22 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The talking point will be “Flynn is a confessed criminal! Who can believe his testimony? It was extracted under duress!”.

It won’t matter when thousands of Flynn’s emails and documents get put on the record…and you know that Mueller has all of them at this point.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:17:46am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Flynn is a big domino. Can’t wait to hear how he just got Trump coffee.

Ty Cobb referred to Flynn as a “former Obama Administration official.”

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:18:20am

re: #17 Dr Lizardo

I suspect that Kushner is most likely the next target. Maybe Donnie, Jr. as well.

Remember as Charles pointed out. Mueller uses people to get to higher up people. The higher ups over Flynn would be Trump and Pence. I’m thinking Kushner and Donnie Jr will be caught up in the general sweep of the whole administration tumbling down.

Kushner, Donnie Jr. and Ivanka are going to be damaged by the whole thing and will be forever under a cloud of corruption as they should be.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:19:35am

re: #28 Big Beautiful Door

Ty Cobb referred to Flynn as a “former Obama Administration official.”

That’s going to be one of their biggest lines of defense, that Flynn was a shady fucker before Trump hired him, so how do we know he wasn’t working with Obama to undermine Donny?

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freetoken  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:20:12am

re: #29 ObserverArt

Kushner, Donnie Jr. and Ivanka are going to be damaged by the whole thing and will be forever under a cloud of corruption as they should be.

They’ll always have a future on the wingnut talking circuit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:20:26am

re: #3 Mike Lamb

Would love to see Flynn Jr. right about now.

he’s still tweeting his dad’s legal defense fundraiser.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:20:30am

re: #17 Dr Lizardo

I suspect that Kushner is most likely the next target. Maybe Donnie, Jr. as well.

Kushner was called in for questioning last month before anyone knew Flynn has already rolled on his back.

OMG.

Everything Kushner said that does not match the emails on Flynn’s accounts is going to be a separate crime in of itself.

And here is where the Saturday Night Massacre scenario come into play, because Mueller almost certainly already has enough for multiple indictments of his family members, the VP and himself.

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Skip Intro  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:20:41am

re: #18 HappyWarrior

Ivanka too possibly

Not a chance.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:20:41am

re: #21 Joe Bacon 🌹

Now I see the latest…The Clinton’s conspired with Trump to destroy the GOP.

Honestly how many Oxy tabs are these Trumpettes downing?

The Clintons are so powerful that they made Republicans vote for Trump. Vader has nothing on these Clintons.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:21:14am
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Ace Rothstein  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:22:08am

re: #22 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The talking point will be “Flynn is a confessed criminal! Who can believe his testimony? It was extracted under duress!”.

Limbaugh has already gone that route today.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:22:19am

I wouldn’t be surprised if the only thing holding back Donny from staging a repeat of the Saturday Night Massacre right now is the reality that if he does, Wealthcare will as dead as a dodo less than a day later.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:23:06am

re: #29 ObserverArt

Remember as Charles pointed out. Mueller uses people to get to higher up people. The higher ups over Flynn would be Trump and Pence. I’m thinking Kushner and Donnie Jr will be caught up in the general sweep of the whole administration tumbling down.

Kushner, Donnie Jr. and Ivanka are going to be damaged by the whole thing and will be forever under a cloud of corruption as they should be.

This works like a crime family in many ways where the family members are the real power instead of the “official” appointees.

Notice that Kushner was sent to do all the real family diplomacy (IE making money) while Tillerson accomplished nothing and was sidelined.

In terms of importance, Kushner has more power than the VP.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:23:34am

So, even before Flynn’s plea deal and the accompanying really, really bad news for Trump came out, Gallup’s daily tracker had him dropping to 34+/60-.

But don’t worry, the GOP Senate is on the verge of passing a tax bill that most Americans already hate!

Yeah, that’ll save him!

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:23:43am

re: #26 Belafon

Quietly except for everyone talking about it and people calling their congress critters.

Gotta wonder if today’s news makes some of the Senators a little less in a hurry to please the Big Orange Guy with a shaky win knowing they are dancing on their own graves with this whole thing.

News like today has some huge implications for ALL Republicans. They’ve been playing the Trump Excuse/Joker card.

The game just changed. Mueller/Flynn just got a winning hand and the other players know it.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:24:07am

re: #18 HappyWarrior

Ivanka too possibly

Depends. She was very nearly indicted in NY for lying on investments materials given to investors.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:24:47am

re: #28 Big Beautiful Door

Ty Cobb referred to Flynn as a “former Obama Administration official.”

Technically that is true. Trump fired him. But…

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:24:49am

In case you’re having trouble keeping score:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:24:51am

re: #31 freetoken

They’ll always have a future on the wingnut talking circuit.

Just wait till they find Jay-Zeus’s and start their TV ministry!

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:26:18am

re: #37 Ace Rothstein

I tuned into Rush on my way back to work after lunch and he had a caller on the air. 12 year old who had read and LOVED all 5 of Rush’s books, and so smart he schooled his teacher on so called global warming. Nothing else to talk about today, I guess…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:26:38am

re: #26 Belafon

Quietly except for everyone talking about it and people calling their congress critters.

and I’ve been watching CSPAN…the Democrats keep introducing motions to recommit.
Every motion is an amendment to protect the middle class.
Every Republican has voted no in lockstep.
So the GOP is pretty much doubling down on the fuck yous to taxpayers.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:26:47am

re: #31 freetoken

They’ll always have a future on the wingnut talking circuit.

Will that keep them in Trump Tower and in their current lifestyle? No. And wingnuts are always changing to follow the next big thing just as they did with Trump.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:26:50am

My guess is that the tax bill gets passed, the Mueller investigation engulfs the White House, the Democrats regain control of Congress in November, Trump develops a “health issue” requiring him to hand over the keys to Pence, Trump declares his short term in office a victory, quits, heads back to New York.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:26:52am

re: #28 Big Beautiful Door

Ty Cobb referred to Flynn as a “former Obama Administration official.”

Hahaha who the Obama admin fired and who Trump hired as a key adviser sbc was brief his NSA.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:26:54am

I think this is going to get enormously larger. For several years now, there has been compelling evidence of improper Russian influence at the Congressional, state, and local levels, to say nothing of their transparently obvious control of conspiracy media. This was a big operation before Trump even announced his candidacy. That needs to get a hard look once the top offenders are dealt with. We could see thousands of indictments, with whole state and county GOP committees sent to prison or fleeing the country in disgrace.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:27:05am

re: #44 Dr. Matt

In case you’re having trouble keeping score:

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This is starting to feel really non-hoaxy. Maybe it’s just me.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:27:46am

In Mueller we trust

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:27:57am

re: #41 ObserverArt

Gotta wonder if today’s news makes some of the Senators a little less in a hurry to please the Big Orange Guy with a shaky win knowing they are dancing on their own graves with this whole thing.

New like today has some huge implications for ALL Republicans. They’ve been playing the Trump Excuse/Joker card.

The game just changed. Mueller/Flynn just got a winning hand and the other players know it.

No, they are more worried about pleasing their donors with a massive cash giveaway. They figure with enough money they can dupe the base into voting them back into power, no matter how badly they screw them.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:29:50am

re: #49 Ace Rothstein

My guess is that the tax bill gets passed, the Mueller investigation engulfs the White House, the Democrats regain control of Congress in November, Trump develops a “health issue” requiring him to hand over the keys to Pence, Trump declares his short term in office a victory, quits, heads back to New York.

Pence pardons him and the Trump clan.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:29:52am

re: #48 ObserverArt

Will that keep them in Trump Tower and in their current lifestyle? No. And wingnuts are always changing to follow the next big thing just as they did with Trump.

Hey if J0el O$teen can live in his tax exempt $10 million mansion so can Brother Jared and Sister Ivanka! Praise Je$u$!

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:31:00am

re: #41 ObserverArt

Most senators have already stated they’re working for their donors, so I don’t think it’ll have much of an impact. It may do exactly the opposite, making some want to get the bill through, even it if ultimately promises to turn their constituents into soylent green, just so that it gets on Trump’s desk.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:31:28am

re: #39 Scottish Dragon

This works like a crime family in many ways where the family members are the real power instead of the “official” appointees.

Notice that Kushner was sent to do all the real family diplomacy (IE making money) while Tillerson accomplished nothing and was sidelined.

In terms of importance, Kushner has more power than the VP.

Higher up means BIGGER take down. Pence and then Trump as Pence is politically a bigger takedown. He could be up for the presidency should Trump resign.

Kushner and the other family members are done when the administration is done. Pence still has political life and it needs stomped on.

In terms of powerful political fall…Pence is more damaging to Republican politics than Jared K.

Just my opinion.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:32:04am

re: #41 ObserverArt

RepubliKKKlans were stupid enough to double Mueller’s 7 No TRUMP bid and he redoubled!

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:33:34am

re: #30 Targetpractice

That’s going to be one of their biggest lines of defense, that Flynn was a shady fucker before Trump hired him, so how do we know he wasn’t working with Obama to undermine Donny?

because trump only hires the best. he said so himself. repeatedly

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:34:28am
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Decatur Deb  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:34:58am

Consider the impact within the Department of Defense. LTGs are not expected to sell out the country to any reasonable bidder.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:35:29am

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

and I’ve been watching CSPAN…the Democrats keep introducing motions to recommit.
Every motion is an amendment to protect the middle class.
Every Republican has voted no in lockstep.
So the GOP is pretty much doubling down on the fuck yous to taxpayers.

That is smart politics. Getting legislation purely directed at the Middle Class shot down makes for good campaign materials next year and in 2020.

I see commercials. If the Dems are smart they have good media people making sure to record and document all of this. It is fiber for a rope to hang the Republicans on for the next few elections.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:35:32am

*THUD*

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:36:42am

re: #55 Big Beautiful Door

Pence in significant danger also from I am seeing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:37:15am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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allegro  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:37:39am

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

and I’ve been watching CSPAN…the Democrats keep introducing motions to recommit.
Every motion is an amendment to protect the middle class.
Every Republican has voted no in lockstep.
So the GOP is pretty much doubling down on the fuck yous to taxpayers.

Thanks for the update. Appears that the Democrats are playing the hand they’ve got beautifully.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:39:23am

re: #54 Big Beautiful Door

No, they are more worried about pleasing their donors with a massive cash giveaway. They figure with enough money they can dupe the base into voting them back into power, no matter how badly they screw them.

In some states. In the purple states that may not work too well.

I see you Rob Portman!

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allegro  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:40:16am

re: #49 Ace Rothstein

My guess is that the tax bill gets passed, the Mueller investigation engulfs the White House, the Democrats regain control of Congress in November, Trump develops a “health issue” requiring him to hand over the keys to Pence, Trump declares his short term in office a victory, quits, heads back to New York.

And as soon as he resigns he is put under arrest and is frog-marched from the White House in handcuffs.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:40:33am

re: #58 ObserverArt

Higher up means BIGGER take down. Pence and then Trump as Pence is politically a bigger takedown. He could be up for the presidency should Trump resign.

Kushner and the other family members are done when the administration is done. Pence still has political life and it needs stomped on.

In terms of powerful political fall…Pence is more damaging to Republican politics than Jared K.

Just my opinion.

Pence is already a probable target…but Kushner is actually part of the family as well as a member of the cabinet. He has a hell of a lot more exposure in that he was doing a lot of the transition work as well as setting up all these crazy meetings with Russians that nobody seems to remember. If there is a link between Trump, money and treason…it is Kushner. He is the nexus.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:40:44am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:41:42am
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:42:52am

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The lobbyists probably wrote the list.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:43:13am

re: #62 Decatur Deb

Consider the impact within the Department of Defense. LTGs are not expected to sell out the country to any reasonable bidder.

Sworn to protect the Constitution and the Country.

He broke that commitment.

By the way, can the US Army take anything away from him after the fact he is no longer serving? Can he be made an example by the military?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:44:37am

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

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note: Hatch #1685 — deduction for religious instruction tuition

and WTF is this?
Hatch #1684 — prohibit cash or gift cards as employee achievement awards.

good fucking grief…this entire list is bullshit.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:44:50am

re: #74 ObserverArt

Sworn to protect the Constitution and the Country.

He broke that commitment.

By the way, can the US Army take anything away from him after the fact he is no longer serving? Can he be made an example by the military?

No General is ever quite “retired”. They can be called back to serve the needs of the nation. I doubt the DoD wants him back.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:45:05am

re: #73 Big Beautiful Door

The lobbyists probably wrote the list.

That’s what Claire M said in her tweet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:48:13am

Mike Bennet (D-CO) giving a serious history lesson about surpluses/deficits/taxcuts right now.

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Nyet  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:49:11am

It’s beginning to look a lot like Flynnmas!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:49:20am

re: #73 Big Beautiful Door

The lobbyists probably wrote the list.

But hey, Trump’s draining the swamp, amirite?
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:49:24am

oh boy, Bennet is taking no prisoners.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:49:39am

re: #30 Targetpractice

That’s going to be one of their biggest lines of defense, that Flynn was a shady fucker before Trump hired him, so how do we know he wasn’t working with Obama to undermine Donny?

Yep, I guarantee you this will be the talking point.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:50:40am

re: #70 Scottish Dragon

Pence is already a probable target…but Kushner is actually part of the family as well as a member of the cabinet. He has a hell of a lot more exposure in that he was doing a lot of the transition work as well as setting up all these crazy meetings with Russians that nobody seems to remember. If there is a link between Trump, money and treason…it is Kushner. He is the nexus.

No doubt. But I am looking at just the politics and their ramifications on a future you are looking at the inner workings right now.

Politically I think Pence is a huge target. Kushner has no political future once burnt. Pence does and he is the GOP’s hope for a future out of a Trump mess. Kushner is not.

No one in the GOP power and money structure is going to give rat’s ass about Kushner after he is gone. They probably want all of the family dispensed as soon as possible now.

Trump’s usefulness has just changed and those big wigs with the fats checks know it.

They don’t hold offices. They hold futures.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:51:25am

re: #70 Scottish Dragon

Pence is already a probable target…but Kushner is actually part of the family as well as a member of the cabinet. He has a hell of a lot more exposure in that he was doing a lot of the transition work as well as setting up all these crazy meetings with Russians that nobody seems to remember. If there is a link between Trump, money and treason…it is Kushner. He is the nexus.

That’s exactly what I’m thinking as well.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:52:07am

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Deduction for religious instruction tuition”

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:53:26am

re: #76 Decatur Deb

No General is ever quite “retired”. They can be called back to serve the needs of the nation. I doubt the DoD wants him back.

Yeah, but can they take away rank, awards, his discharge level? Or, will they just tarnish him in the future as a bad example.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:53:42am

re: #51 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

From your lips to Dog’s ears…

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allegro  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:53:51am

re: #85 Eclectic Cyborg

“Deduction for religious institution instruction”

But no more deductions for mortgage interest.

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sagehen  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:54:11am

re: #70 Scottish Dragon

Pence is already a probable target…but Kushner is actually part of the family as well as a member of the cabinet. He has a hell of a lot more exposure in that he was doing a lot of the transition work as well as setting up all these crazy meetings with Russians that nobody seems to remember. If there is a link between Trump, money and treason…it is Kushner. He is the nexus.

A shanda fur di goyim.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:54:46am
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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:55:04am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:55:27am

If Pence goes down we get President Paul Ryan.

*gag*

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Decatur Deb  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:55:42am

re: #86 ObserverArt

Yeah, but can they take away rank, awards, his discharge level? Or, will they just tarnish him in the future as a bad example.

Good question for UCMJ Judge Advocate experts. Can’t see any payback for DoD, but he’ll likely be a coursework issue at the service academies.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:55:55am

re: #91 Charles Johnson

Probably the only place he COULD go.

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allegro  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:56:19am

re: #90 Charles Johnson

We mistakenly pointed to the wrong reason we didn’t take action on the videos from earlier this week.

WTF does that even mean?

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ericblair  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:56:33am

re: #93 Decatur Deb

Good question for UCMJ Judge Advocate experts. Can’t see any payback for DoD, but he’ll likely be a coursework issue at the service academies.

They can court martial his ass. Nothing to do with Mueller.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:56:57am

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

If Pence goes we get President Paul Ryan.

*gag*

What, not Alexander “Check your Constitutions! I’m in charge!” Haig?

//////////////////

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A Mom Anon  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:57:56am

These fuckers. They’ve decided to try some abortion related crap here too. By allowing fetuses to be named as beneficiaries of 529 college savings accounts, they are trying to establish precedent for fetal personhood.

This is the kind of shit that needs to be exposed. God knows what other shit is hidden in this steaming pile of shit.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:58:01am

re: #26 Belafon

Quietly except for everyone talking about it and people calling their congress critters.

Hence the ” “.

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sagehen  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:58:10am

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

If Pence goes down we get President Paul Ryan.

*gag*

Unless we’re willing to drag this out, tolerate the Traitors for another year, and then it could be President Nancy Pelosi.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:58:28am

re: #96 ericblair

They can court martial his ass. Nothing to do with Mueller.

After his retirement?

This is the kind of thing I was interested in. I was thinking maybe they revise him to some kind of a dishonorable discharge and take his rank down to a single star or maybe even take him to Major and really hurt his image.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:58:34am

well yeah, but good to keep repeating

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wrenchwench  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:58:50am

re: #97 Blind Frog Belly White

What, not Alexander “Check your Constitutions! I’m in charge!” Haig?

//////////////////

Who ever thought we could look back at Haig with fondness.

/haven’t gotten that far yet

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:59:09am

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

If Pence goes down we get President Paul Ryan.

*gag*

Unless it doesn’t happen until 2019, then we may get President Nancy Pelosi.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 1, 2017 • 11:59:24am

re: #96 ericblair

They can court martial his ass. Nothing to do with Mueller.

In the good old days, he could use an M9 with a single round. I miss the good old days.

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Nyet  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:00:15pm

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

If Pence goes we get President Paul Ryan.

*gag*

Still better than both of them.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:00:48pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:00:50pm

re: #100 sagehen

Unless we’re willing to drag this out, tolerate the Traitors for another year, and then it could be President Nancy Pelosi.

Beat me by 59 seconds!

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:01:36pm

re: #16 Stanley Sea

Happy Friday

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It’s still a race to see who gets indicted first - Bibi or Trump. It’s neck and neck.

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:01:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:04:24pm

Toomey and Scott now lying their asses off about how great the tax cuts are.

Mute button pushed.

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ericblair  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:04:32pm

re: #98 A Mom Anon

These fuckers. They’ve decided to try some abortion related crap here too. By allowing fetuses to be named as beneficiaries of 529 college savings accounts, they are trying to establish precedent for fetal personhood.

This is the kind of shit that needs to be exposed. God knows what other shit is hidden in this steaming pile of shit.

OK, try this. Some random “fetus” gets a 529 plan. Doesn’t have to exist: it’s not like they have birth certificates yet. Benefactor puts some hinky security in it up to the max for the year, and through some magic (hi Mitt Romney!) with self-dealing the security magically is worth millions in a couple of months. Fetus dies! Oh woe, we’re all fucked up! But wait! 529 plan passes to the beneficiary, let’s say dear old Dad. Dear old Dad gets a stepped up basis on the value of the 529 plan because of the “death” of the plan holder, and behold, no tax on the millions in capital gains to poor bereaved Daddy-oh. #DRAINTHESWAMP

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:06:09pm
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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:07:18pm

The Pedophile Party is so desperate to give Dotard a “win” that they are going to pass this shit tax bill. Pathetic.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:07:31pm

re: #109 lawhawk

It’s still a race to see who gets indicted first - Bibi or Trump. It’s neck and neck.

Bibi; Trump can’t be indicted until after he’s impeached and removed from office.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:08:36pm

re: #49 Ace Rothstein

My guess is that the tax bill gets passed, the Mueller investigation engulfs the White House, the Democrats regain control of Congress in November, Trump develops a “health issue” requiring him to hand over the keys to Pence, Trump declares his short term in office a victory, quits, heads back to New York.

New York doesn’t want him. Can we send him to Moscow (Russia or Idaho).

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:08:37pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mike Flynn should ask for immunity in that this is a witch hunt (excuse for big election loss), by media & Dems, of historic proportion!

cause witches always plead guilty to avoid a trial to prove their innocence

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:09:19pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:09:33pm

re: #112 ericblair

OK, try this. Some random “fetus” gets a 529 plan. Doesn’t have to exist: it’s not like they have birth certificates yet. Benefactor puts some hinky security in it up to the max for the year, and through some magic (hi Mitt Romney!) with self-dealing the security magically is worth millions in a couple of months. Fetus dies! Oh woe, we’re all fucked up! But wait! 529 plan passes to the beneficiary, let’s say dear old Dad. Dear old Dad gets a stepped up basis on the value of the 529 plan because of the “death” of the plan holder, and behold, no tax on the millions in capital gains to poor bereaved Daddy-oh. #DRAINTHESWAMP

Brilliant! Its not just a sop to the pro-life faction; its a tax dodge for the rich as well! Two birds with one stone!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:10:21pm

he got his phone back:

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Sir John Barron  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:11:55pm

re: #102 Stanley Sea

well yeah, but good to keep repeating

The White House and its “vassals”. That’s pretty good.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:11:59pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:12:22pm

re: #79 Nyet

It’s beginning to look a lot like Flynnmas!

Need some kind of advent calendar with an arrest for each day.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:12:23pm

I was going to mention, I actually got a canned email response from Robby Portman from my Wednesday email to him on the tax reform BS.

It was strange. It was all in one font, and then down in the boiler plate further, where he talks about the economy, there was new text about this simply wonderful tax reform and what is is going to do for Ohioans like me.

So, I am not getting to the trash folder as I feared. Yet. So, that means I keep writing ‘em.

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allegro  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:12:59pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

he got his phone back:

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Yeah so respected POTUS isn’t welcome in our greatest ally’s country.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:13:16pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:13:56pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

he got his phone back:

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Just remember that “I call the shots” when questions of who ordered Flynn to contact Russians comes up in testimony.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:14:01pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

“America is highly respected”. Just yesterday leaders and politicians from our closest ally spend the day condemning him for retweeting Nazis. FFS. Clueless idiot.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:14:05pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

I CALL THE FINAL SHOTS!

What a small, petty man.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:14:08pm

re: #112 ericblair

OK, try this. Some random “fetus” gets a 529 plan. Doesn’t have to exist: it’s not like they have birth certificates yet. Benefactor puts some hinky security in it up to the max for the year, and through some magic (hi Mitt Romney!) with self-dealing the security magically is worth millions in a couple of months. Fetus dies! Oh woe, we’re all fucked up! But wait! 529 plan passes to the beneficiary, let’s say dear old Dad. Dear old Dad gets a stepped up basis on the value of the 529 plan because of the “death” of the plan holder, and behold, no tax on the millions in capital gains to poor bereaved Daddy-oh. #DRAINTHESWAMP

they’ll have to start issuing ssn’s to the //unborn//

that’ll mean a whole host of new regulations

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darthstar  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:15:42pm

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darthstar  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:16:30pm

I should have said, “I brought him DOWN with me.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:16:59pm
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Jay C  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:17:32pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

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I realize it would be “undiplomatic” - but I wonder which foreign leader would be the first one willing to go on the record and state the obvious truth - i.e. that America is not, in general, going to be truly “respected” as long as the incompetent buffoon Donald Trump graces disfigures the White House with his presence.

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ericblair  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:17:50pm

re: #130 dangerman

they’ll have to start issuing ssn’s to the //unborn//

that’ll mean a whole host of new regulations

I buggered it up a bit, in that there’s currently no step up for 529s. The fetus could gift the amount to the beneficiary before shuffling of this (almost) mortal coil, though. Such tragedy!

And that was me, who’s not an estate lawyer or tax pro, in about five minutes. Who knows what shit you would be able to construct with this idiotic law, because Congress sure as fuck doesn’t.

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Interesting Times  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:19:39pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:21:34pm

re: #54 Big Beautiful Door

No, they are more worried about pleasing their donors with a massive cash giveaway. They figure with enough money they can dupe the base into voting them back into power, no matter how badly they screw them.

THIS. Absolutely this. The political calculation is that the $700 million bribe (cough cough) I mean “perfectly legal campaign contribution” that the Koch Bros. have promised the GOP will buy enough TV ads to swamp the backlash to this massive giveaway to the .01%

By the time the awful effects of this tax structure start kicking in, the GOP is going to be safely out of government, in their insanely lucrative lobbying positions, leaving some poor Democratic schnook to clean up their mess.

In short: 2009 all over again. This time without any wiggle room for stimulus, so we’ll be going all the way down into national bankruptcy, hyper-inflation and a REAL Great Depression II.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:22:07pm

re: #135 ericblair

While the financial aspect of this is maybe a small part, of this shittastic mess does get signed into law, it could be used as personhood precedent which, knowing these evil fucks is why it was shoved into somewhere around page 100.

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Lidane  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:24:10pm

News coverage in a nutshell:

CBS: Flynn flips on Trump
ABC: Flynn flips on Trump
NBC: Flynn flips on Trump
CNN: Flynn flips on Trump
MSNBC: Flynn flips on Trump
CNBC: Flynn flips on Trump
Washington Post: Flynn flips on Trump
New York Times: Flynn flips on Trump
Wall Street Journal: Flynn flips on Trump
Fox News: Deep State Operative Betrays Dear Leader

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:24:54pm

re: #137 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

By the time the awful effects of this tax structure start kicking in, the GOP is going to be safely out of government, in their insanely lucrative lobbying positions, leaving some poor Democratic schnook to clean up their mess.

And yes, enough people will see a short-term benefit from this tax reform that they will continue to vote GOP and blame the subsequent administrations for the disasters that ensue.

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TedStriker  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:25:39pm

re: #21 Joe Bacon 🌹

Now I see the latest…The Clinton’s conspired with Trump to destroy the GOP.

Honestly how many Oxy tabs are these Trumpettes downing?

re: #23 Dr Lizardo

They’re poppin’ ‘em like M&M’s.

IV drip.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:26:15pm

re: #85 Eclectic Cyborg

“Deduction for religious instruction tuition”

I wonder if this could be applied to tuition to madrassas teaching Sharia Law?

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:26:44pm
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darthstar  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:26:57pm
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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:27:35pm

re: #134 Jay C

I realize it would be “undiplomatic” - but I wonder which foreign leader would be the first one willing to go on the record and state the obvious truth - i.e. that America is not, in general, going to be truly “respected” as long as the incompetent buffoon Donald Trump graces disfigures the White House with his presence.

remember how diplomacy-speak used to work?
i’d suggest a number already have

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TedStriker  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:30:10pm

re: #28 Big Beautiful Door

Ty Cobb referred to Flynn as a “former Obama Administration official.”

A “former Obama Administration official” that the Obama administration fired…and pointedly advised the incoming Trump administration not to hire, under any circumstance.

Fucker.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:30:29pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:30:46pm

oooh…

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The Major  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:32:15pm

re: #74 ObserverArt

Nothing happened to Petraeus when he got popped on his 18 USC 1001 plea outside of a fine…

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:33:33pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

oooh…

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So Jared’s up next, eh?

What will Trump do when they start putting the vise on son-in-law? Will he issue a blanket pardon? Can he issue a pardon before someone is even charged?

Or will he try to save his own miserable hide by playing the old “New phone. Who dis?” game…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:33:56pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

oooh…

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TedStriker  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:33:57pm

re: #149 The Major

Nothing happened to Petraeus when he got popped on his 18 USC 1001 plea outside of a fine…

Mueller wasn’t the man that prosecuted Petraeus, either.

Just sayin’…

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:34:29pm

re: #139 Lidane

I’m stealing that!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:35:22pm
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darthstar  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:36:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:36:42pm
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Nyet  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:36:43pm

So ABC fucked up claiming it was Trump.

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TedStriker  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:37:22pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not only that, but Flynn was still supposedly (informally) advising Trump after his departure from the WH.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:38:24pm

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

and I’ve been watching CSPAN…the Democrats keep introducing motions to recommit.
Every motion is an amendment to protect the middle class.
Every Republican has voted no in lockstep.
So the GOP is pretty much doubling down on the fuck yous to taxpayers.

I can’t find anything on the bill. Do you have any idea if it takes away all deductions for small businesses/sole proprietors?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:38:28pm

Flynn could deliver a knockout blow to Trump

National security gurus with whom I spoke suggest Flynn could be of help in several areas. He might provide details of Russian influence actors — how they operated and how they contacted and connected with him. (We should remember this is still a counterintelligence investigation.) Flynn’s help could be related to former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who has already been indicted for financial crimes relating to his connection with Russian players. Alternatively, Flynn’s help might be related to his dealings with President Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, either with regard to alleged efforts to set up a “back channel” or with regard to Kushner’s own financial dealings with Russians. And, of most concern to Trump, Flynn could provide evidence relating to interference with the Russia probe, including Trump’s efforts to get then-FBI Director James B. Comey to lay off Flynn. The ABC News report, if accurate, suggests it is the latter, with fatal consequences for the Trump presidency.

Flynn was a major Russian influence peddler long before he hooked up with the Trump campaign. It was two years ago a few days ago that he attended the infamous rt.com banquet with Jill Stein in Moscow. He could have masses of dirt on every aspect of the operation, far beyond the transition team or the Trump administration itself.
This is a big, big catch.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:38:32pm

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

From what I’ve read, undocumented immigrants pay and file taxes specifically to stay out of trouble.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:38:58pm

note the date

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:39:40pm

re: #160 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Flynn could deliver a knockout blow to Trump

Flynn was a major Russian influence peddler long before he hooked up with the Trump campaign. It was two years ago a few days ago that he attended the infamous rt.com banquet with Jill Stein in Moscow. He could have masses of dirt on every aspect of the operation, far beyond the transition team or the Trump administration itself.
This is a big, big catch.

I’m hoping Stein is sweating a bit as well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:39:47pm

re: #159 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

I can’t find anything on the bill. Do you have any idea if it takes away all deductions for small businesses/sole proprietors?

that’s what I’ve heard, but no one has seen the actual bill (because there isn’t one).

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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:39:47pm

re: #157 Nyet

So ABC fucked up claiming it was Trump.

Not if Kushner was ordered to do this by Trump himself. We’ll have to see how this pans out, but it’s pretty doubtful that Kushner decided to tell Flynn to contact Russians all on his own.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:40:35pm

Fish in a barrel.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:40:41pm

re: #129 Sir John Barron

I CALL THE FINAL SHOTS!

What a small, petty man.

Reminds me of why I had created this a few months ago.

Thin skinned too!
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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:42:32pm

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Left says, #Illegals pay #taxes too, and they contribute to America. Show me just one Federal income tax return from any illegal, that shows they have paid taxes and I’ll shut up.

there are tax preparers all over the country that prepare returns for “illegals”.

file a w-7, get an ITIN (which you dont have to be a citizen, resident, or even in the country to get)

‘employer / payer’ issues you a 1099 or not
you prepare and file your individual tax return and pay the tax

thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people do this (millions?)
many while waiting and or fighting for their citizenship (or against deportation)

now shut up, chuck

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:42:51pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

Not if Kushner was ordered to do this by Trump himself. We’ll have to see how this pans out, but it’s pretty doubtful that Kushner decided to tell Flynn to contact Russians all on his own.

Kushner doesn’t do anything on his own. He’s being told what to do by Trump (or Ivanka or Junior). He wasn’t freelancing any of this.

He’s not that smart.

Also, it’s quite likely that Trump was independently informing Flynn to act. Remember, there are multiple threads here that Mueller’s pulling on and the entire mess of an admin is unraveling before our eyes in slow motion.

After all, Trump was calling Flynn a great guy even months after he fired him. Trump is also known to have maintained contact with the likes of Lewandowski and Manafort after they were “fired/resigned” from the campaign. He keeps his cronies close.

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:43:56pm

re: #168 dangerman

Then there are all the other taxes that illegals pay:

sales tax; motor fuel taxes (federal and state imposed); cigarette/alcoholic beverages, etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:46:13pm
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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:46:59pm

re: #170 lawhawk

Then there are all the other taxes that illegals pay:

sales tax; motor fuel taxes (federal and state imposed); cigarette/alcoholic beverages, etc.

of course

and let’s remember in my scenario, they are paying income tax and self employment (FICA) tax (both halves)

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:49:58pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

Senate still hasn’t released final text of the tax bill. McConnell says there’ll be “plenty of time” to read it. He’s hoping to vote on it today

mcconnell wants to vote today
the largest tax overhaul ever - says trump
it’s 3:45pm eastern time
the bill hasnt been released yet

and there’ll be “plenty of time” to read it

im out of metaphors and adjectives

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:51:06pm

re: #173 dangerman

I’m pretty sure “fuckers” covers it.

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Nyet  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:51:21pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

Not if Kushner was ordered to do this by Trump himself. We’ll have to see how this pans out, but it’s pretty doubtful that Kushner decided to tell Flynn to contact Russians all on his own.

The question is whom Flynn testified about. It doesn’t matter if Kushner later says he was told by Trump. The point is ABC’s reporting.

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TedStriker  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:52:11pm

re: #174 Belafon

I’m pretty sure “fuckers” covers it.

“Syphilitic fuckers”, please

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:52:29pm

re: #157 Nyet

So ABC fucked up claiming it was Trump.

Nope,

ABC News reported Friday that Flynn is prepared to tell Mueller’s team that Trump had instructed him to make contact with Russia during the campaign itself. If those contacts involved the emails the U.S. intelligence community charges Russia stole from leading Democrats, then Mueller will have uncovered evidence of actual collusion between the president and a foreign adversary during the election. Impeachment could then be in the cards.

bloomberg.com

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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:53:13pm
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FormerDirtDart  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:53:16pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:53:23pm

re: #157 Nyet

So ABC fucked up claiming it was Trump.

I think they are taking it to a future conclusion knowing how this works. It is looking like it will end up in Donny’s wide ass lap and all over his too-long tie. Flynn is more or less flipping on Trump by becoming a witness to further crimes listed in future indictments.

Case still building. And it does appear both Kushner and Pence are in the sights of Mueller now that he has Flynn’s cooperation (hopefully…full cooperation). Flynn gets to write his own ticket here a bit if he has some big goods.

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plf1953  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:53:40pm

re: #12 Mike Lamb

The problem though, is that while this is great news and should get significant coverage, the Senate GOP is “quietly” fucking the other 99% with a cactus dildo.

Ouch! Ooh … please, Lord, not the cactus dildo.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:54:00pm

It’s going to be a very tense night in the White House tonight. When Manafort was indicted last month, the wingnuts assured themselves that it meant nothing because the majority of the charges dealt with his actions prior to the Trump campaign. But now they’ve got one of Donny’s inner circle, a guy he fired Comey trying to protect, and who just made a plea deal to testify against a bigger fish. And the word going around is that that bigger fish is Donny’s son-in-law.

If I were Jared, I’d make myself scarce for…oh…3 years.

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Nyet  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:54:15pm

re: #177 Big Beautiful Door

Nope,

bloomberg.com

Take some time to catch up ;)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:54:56pm
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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:55:03pm

re: #182 Targetpractice

Maybe he should ask Roy Moore what to do in Australia.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:55:11pm

re: #174 Belafon

I’m pretty sure “fuckers” covers it.

thanks
i must have had a power surge or something ;-)

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:56:04pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Republicans were lying in their pledge, just like how they lied about wanting to balance the budget. Surprise!

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:56:22pm

re: #179 FormerDirtDart

Nobody is leaking, and yet there are nothing but leaks coming from this administration.

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JordanRules  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:56:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:56:35pm

as the yam said in his latest tweet: “I call the final shots”.

all of this mess is totally on him.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:57:31pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

oooh…

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It’s the Kush.

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2017 • 12:59:45pm

re: #41 ObserverArt

Gotta wonder if today’s news makes some of the Senators a little less in a hurry to please the Big Orange Guy with a shaky win knowing they are dancing on their own graves with this whole thing.

News like today has some huge implications for ALL Republicans. They’ve been playing the Trump Excuse/Joker card.

The game just changed. Mueller/Flynn just got a winning hand and the other players know it.

Dude, this is the GOPs wet dream. This tax disaster has nothing to do with Trump other than him signing it. Ryan, McConnell, et Al, have wanted this for decades.

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petesh  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:01:17pm

re: #181 plf1953

Ouch! Ooh … please, Lord, not the cactus dildo.

Cacti are fine, mostly upstanding (some lazy ones lie down) members of the plant family. Leave them aloooone!

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:02:18pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

that’s what I’ve heard, but no one has seen the actual bill (because there isn’t one).

How the fuck can they vote on something that isn’t even written yet? Is it just me not understanding how this works? Gaaaahhh.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:02:19pm

re: #169 lawhawk

Kushner doesn’t do anything on his own. He’s being told what to do by Trump (or Ivanka or Junior). He wasn’t freelancing any of this.

He’s not that smart.

Also, it’s quite likely that Trump was independently informing Flynn to act. Remember, there are multiple threads here that Mueller’s pulling on and the entire mess of an admin is unraveling before our eyes in slow motion.

After all, Trump was calling Flynn a great guy even months after he fired him. Trump is also known to have maintained contact with the likes of Lewandowski and Manafort after they were “fired/resigned” from the campaign. He keeps his cronies close.

He keeps ‘em close because they are all part of the “family” racket. He makes them part of that “family” probably with promises of massive wealth and connections if they helped him get in the Whitehouse.

So, as with all family crime organizations, you are expected to shut up or you will be shut up.

Flynn is the new Sammy “The Bull” Gravano.

Mueller is now in The Family business.

Donny has got to be a bit of a rocket man himself. One that is on the launch pad, is over-pressurized and is gonna blow.

Will he be at that party tonight?

If he is, he will be more red than orange. Seasonal!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:03:18pm

heh

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:03:58pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

The media has been speculating that I fired Rex Tillerson or that he would be leaving soon - FAKE NEWS! He’s not leaving and while we disagree on certain subjects, (I call the final shots) we work well together and America is highly respected again!Instagram

‪The media has been speculating that I fired Rex Tillerson or that he would be leaving soon - FAKE NEWS! He’s not leaving and while we disagree on certain subjects, (I call the final shots) we work well together and America is highly respected again!‬

three weeks from now when he’s out and someone asks SHS about that tweet from three weeks ago:

“that’s already been litigated”

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:04:16pm

re: #194 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

How the fuck can they vote on something that isn’t even written yet? Is it just me not understanding how this works? Gaaaahhh.

It’s McConnell and Ryan breaking every rule to get it passed. McConnell is doing his best John Calhoun impression.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:04:41pm

re: #194 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

How the fuck can they vote on something that isn’t even written yet? Is it just me not understanding how this works? Gaaaahhh.

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Nyet  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:04:56pm

The level of detailed knowledge in the statement of offence is great. Mueller knows everything.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:05:39pm

re: #196 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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I think what surprised them is that Flynn flipped. Donny probably really, truly believed right up til this morning that Mikey would never turn on him and that when Mueller charged him, he’d pull out the pardon pen to make it all go away. That Flynn has taken a deal must feel like the worst sort of betrayal right now.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:06:05pm

re: #200 Nyet

The level of detailed knowledge in the statement of offence is great. Mueller knows everything.

I honestly don’t think they could have chosen a better person to lead the investigation than Mueller. Good to see ya btw Sergey.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:06:14pm
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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:06:23pm

re: #196 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump’s an even bigger moron than we give him credit for.

Everyone who isn’t watching Faux and Friends knew Flynn was going to turn because of Mueller putting the screws to him. The only question was when that would happen.

No one should have been surprised at this turn of events, and yet Trump is blindsided?

His advisers didn’t exactly do a good job advising. They should know or have reason to know of the fact that everyone around them has lawyered up and that Mueller’s aggressively approaching the entire admin as a criminal racket. To think this kind of news was surprising to Trump shows how walled off Trump is from reality (and therefore his supporters also think that this is all deep state bullshit and not the continued unraveling of this craven administration).

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:06:28pm

re: #196 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

Blindsided: White House team says it “can’t trust anyone” after surprise Flynn plea, spotlight on Kushner

its been all over (some of ) the news for days / weeks / months.

yet the white house is “blindsided”

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TedStriker  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:06:54pm

re: #198 Belafon

It’s McConnell and Ryan breaking every rule to get it passed. McConnell is doing his best John Calhoun impression.

They know that time is not on their side, so McConnell and the GOP are trying to ram it through at breakneck speed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:07:19pm

re: #200 Nyet

The level of detailed knowledge in the statement of offence is great. Mueller knows everything.

Doesn’t it also say, in essence, “And this isn’t all we know”?

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Nyet  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:08:18pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looks like it. I mean, why else would Mueller need this bit of info, if Kushner did not lie? And if he lied, he’s next.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:08:49pm

re: #183 Nyet

Take some time to catch up ;)

Kushner is Trump.

Just like anyone under Putin is Putin.

The orders come from the top. Trump will though try to hide behind Kushner, that is why it is all set up to try to make Donny look like he has no direct connections. RICO cases do not need direct connections as much as a pattern and an understanding of “The Family” business flow chart. Trump is at the top.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:08:52pm

re: #204 lawhawk

Trump’s an even bigger moron than we give him credit for.

Everyone who isn’t watching Faux and Friends knew Flynn was going to turn because of Mueller putting the screws to him. The only question was when that would happen.

No one should have been surprised at this turn of events, and yet Trump is blindsided?

His advisers didn’t exactly do a good job advising. They should know or have reason to know of the fact that everyone around them has lawyered up and that Mueller’s aggressively approaching the entire admin as a criminal racket. To think this kind of news was surprising to Trump shows how walled off Trump is from reality (and therefore his supporters also think that this is all deep state bullshit and not the continued unraveling of this craven administration).

great minds and all - 5 seconds

though in fairness, yours took longer to compose, so….

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meteor  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:08:57pm

Muel-ler! Muel-ler! Muel-ler!

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Nyet  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:09:25pm

re: #209 ObserverArt

Kushner is Trump.

Just like anyone under Putin is Putin.

The orders come from the top. Trump will though try to hide behind Kushner, that is why it is all set up to try to make Donny look like he has no direct connections. RICO cases do not need direct connections as much as a pattern and an understanding of “The Family” business flow chart. Trump is at the top.

Em, no.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:10:05pm

if Mueller had a mean streak, he’ll have Chris Christie sitting in the room next time Jared shows up.

Christie doesn’t have to say a word. Just sit there.

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JordanRules  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:10:34pm
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Kilroy was here  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:11:34pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Read him his rights!”

“You have the right to sing. Anything you do not sing can be used against you in a court of law.
You have the right to play the castanets.
You have the right to dress in a garish, frilly flamenco costume.
You have the right to wear a headdress decorated with fruit. If you cannot afford one, one will be provided to you free of charge.
Do you understand these rights as I have read them to you?”

“Oops… those are the Carmen Miranda Rights.. my bad”

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Nyet  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:12:02pm

re: #214 JordanRules

And she’s the “smart one” in the family. *snort*

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:12:11pm

re: #214 JordanRules

Christie actually looks like the smart one in all this - but was overruled by the idiot son of the guy Christie put behind bars.

That idiot son then helped fill cabinet level and key advisor positions and Trump put him in charge of reinventing govt, ME peace, etc., and all he’s done is fire blanks while Mueller lines up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:12:26pm

re: #209 ObserverArt

Kushner is Trump.

Just like anyone under Putin is Putin.

The orders come from the top. Trump will though try to hide behind Kushner, that is why it is all set up to try to make Donny look like he has no direct connections. RICO cases do not need direct connections as much as a pattern and an understanding of “The Family” business flow chart. Trump is at the top.

everyone is Negan…

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:12:58pm

re: #214 JordanRules

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It might as well have been a scene out of The Godfather, with Ivanka acting as her father’s surrogate and bringing in Flynn for no other reason than loyalty to The Don.

If this whole mess ends with Ivanka doing a stretch in Club Fed, I may die laughing.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:14:15pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

everyone is Negan…

My brother and his family came trick-or-treated with my youngest on Halloween. He carried a stage bat around. It was a hoot listening to all the people saying “Hey Negan. I am Negan.”

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:17:13pm

re: #204 lawhawk

Trump’s an even bigger moron than we give him credit for.

Everyone who isn’t watching Faux and Friends knew Flynn was going to turn because of Mueller putting the screws to him. The only question was when that would happen.

No one should have been surprised at this turn of events, and yet Trump is blindsided?

His advisers didn’t exactly do a good job advising. They should know or have reason to know of the fact that everyone around them has lawyered up and that Mueller’s aggressively approaching the entire admin as a criminal racket. To think this kind of news was surprising to Trump shows how walled off Trump is from reality (and therefore his supporters also think that this is all deep state bullshit and not the continued unraveling of this craven administration).

Considering how quickly the man seems to tweet something after it airs on Faux, I’m not surprised that he was blindsided. If you listen to them, the whole investigation’s going nowhere and will be finished by year’s end, Flynn was a loyal soldier to The Family, the walls are closing in on the Clintons, and America loves him unconditionally.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:17:47pm

re: #36 Dr. Matt

I think he’s either laying catatonic on the bathroom floor as his damaged brain overloads with fear and anger or he’s having a ranting meltdown of the type Herr Shicklegruber used to have when reality hoofed him in the nuts.

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VegasGolfer  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:18:46pm

re: #34 Skip Intro

Not a chance.

That c**t is as guilty as all the rest of the trump crime family.

Other crimes she was involved in
mercurynews.com

“A lengthy new investigative story in the New Yorker reveals that Donald Trump and his Trump Organization helped build a hotel in Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan, a project that the magazine says appears to be a corrupt operation, Trump’s “worst deal” ever and possibly a conduit for illegal activity by Iran’s Revolutionary Guard.”

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allegro  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:19:18pm

re: #221 Targetpractice

Considering how quickly the man seems to tweet something after it airs on Faux, I’m not surprised that he was blindsided. If you listen to them, the whole investigation’s going nowhere and will be finished by year’s end, Flynn was a loyal soldier to The Family, the walls are closing in on the Clintons, and America loves him unconditionally.

And his daily briefing from his staff is only stuff Trump wants to hear.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:19:38pm

re: #223 VegasGolfer

You don’t really need “That c**t”. It’s fine without it.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:19:50pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:20:29pm

re: #224 allegro

And his daily briefing from his staff is only stuff Trump wants to hear.

And is kept short because he gets bored easily.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:20:31pm

re: #226 Ace-o-aces

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If Russia collusion is a fake story, why in the hell is someone pleading guilty under the charges?

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:20:47pm

re: #51 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

From your lips to God’s ears.

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JordanRules  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:22:32pm

Quite.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:28:05pm

re: #226 Ace-o-aces

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The wingnut CT goes like this:

The Clintons and the DNC paid Fusion GPS to build a dossier with salacious rumors and vicious lies, regardless of where the info came from.

Fusion hired a Brit who then got fed a load of horseshit by Russians that were paid with money from the DNC to make up shit.

Steele took the dossier to the FBI, who then spent taxpayer money finding more lies to take to a FISA court to get a wiretap of Trump Tower.

The FBI used that wiretap to gather info that was funneled to the Clinton campaign, as well as build up a bullshit case against members of the Trump campaign.

When Hillary lost despite all the cheating, Obama ordered Rice to spill the beans to the press about who had been wiretapped, despite the things discussed by the targets being totally legal.

The media then colluded with the “Deep State” to hound Flynn out of office, while the FBI began to build a case against him for “lying” to them about something that was not a crime.

So, in their minds, Flynn is totally innocent, the charges against him are bogus, and the “real” criminals are the Clintons, Obama, Rice, and Comey for trying to railroad this brave patriot.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:28:41pm

Considering how many conservatives sued over the tiniest thing in the ACA, could someone get a group together over Republicans voting for a bill that didn’t exist at the time of the vote?

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Sir John Barron  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:28:48pm

re: #226 Ace-o-aces

How did the #DeepState find out that Flynn “lied” to the FBI? By spying on him.

Obama and Susan Rice need to be ARRESTED for spying on their political opponents.

Some seriously brain-dead stuff here. Is this a Russiabot?

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freetoken  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:30:11pm

re: #232 Belafon

The rules of the Senate are probably beyond the reach of the federal courts.

Whatever does get passed and signed into law will, however, be challenged in court for sure.

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plf1953  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:33:11pm

re: #166 Dr. Matt

Fish in a barrel.

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Heck, we have proof - Trump’s own words - that he hasn’t “contributed to America ” in the form of Federal Income taxes …

Whatever sanctions Woolery would recommend for the illegal aliens should go doubly for Trump as an American citizen.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:34:11pm

re: #192 MsJ

Dude, this is the GOPs wet dream. This tax disaster has nothing to do with Trump other than him signing it. Ryan, McConnell, et Al, have wanted this for decades.

I’m talking about the politics of this stuff. Politics is the impression of a politician(s) or a party. Politics is actually separate to the legislation in my opinion.

There is a price that will be paid for this tax reform and Trump is a part of it in the eyes of Americans that don’t follow details. And the Republicans will like it like that.

Would you trust the Republicans to not put all the blame on Trump if Trump gets kicked out of office and the Tax Reform blows up the party big time in 2018 and 2020?

Where will Fox and Rush and all the wingnut gang place the blame? Trump. It was all his doing. If only the Democrats would of had a better candidate we all wouldn’t have been in this Trump-made mess. Damn Democrats.

That is politics.

We can’t let that happen, we still have a future. We need to remind everyone in detail how this was all Republican.

Why are the Republicans being so stealthy and ramrodding this home? They know it is a massive turd and it is going to cost them. We are already seeing the bailouts in Corker and Flake. They know the political winds.

And like a comment I made last night. Think of the ages of some of these Senators. They are at career ends many of them. So, why not go out trying to place a bomb knowing you will be away from the real explosions when it comes?

So yeah, they will get their wet dream likely as they have the power to do it, and then Americans need to make them pay for it and own all the problems that will come with it. Once America wakes up to the facts, there will be calls for change. This Tax Reform and all the crap that comes with it is going to touch a lot of people that do not pay attention and have no idea what is coming.

Once it does hit them, I think they call that “Woke.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:35:28pm

Well I had my first encounter with a real life Russian bot troll today. This was fun! The Onion ran an article poking fun at Melania Trump and saying she was going to hang up a stuffed racoon because it was Slovenian tradition. Some of the right wingers in the Slovene genealogy group I belong to were offended by it and didn’t realize it was actually spoofing how ignorant Americans are of the world around us and most don’t know Slovenia from whatever. But then this troll bot came in talking about how terrible American society is to Slovene-Americans. IT was just bizarrre. On the funny side, I talked to a guy in the group and his grandfather was a childhood friend of my distant cousin, Mike Strank of Iwo Jima fame.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:36:02pm

re: #231 Targetpractice

The wingnut CT goes like this:

The Clintons and the DNC paid Fusion GPS to build a dossier with salacious rumors and vicious lies, regardless of where the info came from.

Fusion hired a Brit who then got fed a load of horseshit by Russians that were paid with money from the DNC to make up shit.

Steele took the dossier to the FBI, who then spent taxpayer money finding more lies to take to a FISA court to get a wiretap of Trump Tower.

The FBI used that wiretap to gather info that was funneled to the Clinton campaign, as well as build up a bullshit case against members of the Trump campaign.

When Hillary lost despite all the cheating, Obama ordered Rice to spill the beans to the press about who had been wiretapped, despite the things discussed by the targets being totally legal.

The media then colluded with the “Deep State” to hound Flynn out of office, while the FBI began to build a case against him for “lying” to them about something that was not a crime.

So, in their minds, Flynn is totally innocent, the charges against him are bogus, and the “real” criminals are the Clintons, Obama, Rice, and Comey for trying to railroad this brave patriot.

That’s pretty impressive.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:37:46pm

re: #238 Sir John Barron

That’s pretty impressive.

And yet they couldn’t win the White House.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:38:26pm

re: #233 Sir John Barron

Some seriously brain-dead stuff here. Is this a Russiabot?

It’s either a 20-something Russian working a low level government job in St. Petersberg or a genuine American moron.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:40:59pm

re: #205 dangerman

its been all over (some of ) the news for days / weeks / months.

yet the white house is “blindsided”

he was shocked, yes shocked! to see that this sort of thing was going on in this establishment

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:41:03pm

re: #112 ericblair

Read this to my wife. She asked, “If they set up a 529 and the woman gets an abortion at Dear Old Dad’s behest would Dear Old Dad be considered to have benefited from murder?”

Note: My wife does not believe abortion is murder.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:41:18pm

and that’s pretty much how the day has been going in the Senate.

Right now there’s a whole lot of nothing going on. The Dems had a very spirited confab with the Parliamentarian about an hour or so ago, but nobody knows what it was about. McConnell and his GOP minions are nowhere to be seen.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:42:21pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Well I had my first encounter with a real life Russian bot troll today. This was fun! The Onion ran an article poking fun at Melania Trump and saying she was going to hang up a stuffed racoon because it was Slovenian tradition. Some of the right wingers in the Slovene genealogy group I belong to were offended by it and didn’t realize it was actually spoofing how ignorant Americans are of the world around us and most don’t know Slovenia from whatever. But then this troll bot came in talking about how terrible American society is to Slovene-Americans. IT was just bizarrre. On the funny side, I talked to a guy in the group and his grandfather was a childhood friend of my distant cousin, Mike Strank of Iwo Jima fame.

That was the whole gag behind Borat, that most people in the USA have no idea that Kazakhstan even exists, much less where

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:42:34pm

re: #238 Sir John Barron

That’s pretty impressive.

And that’s just part of it. Remember that they’re also convinced that Comey was either under orders or personally chose to let Hillary off the hook for her emails which is supposed to be “proof” that he was working to undermine Trump’s presidency. And that Rod Rosenstein is also part of this conspiracy theory because they’re convinced he and Mueller conspired during their time as a prosecutor and FBI director respectively to kill the Uranium One “scandal” back in 2010. And that Mueller being brought in as special counsel was part of a conspiracy with Comey because he and Mueller are friends.

What it all boils down to is a conviction that the whole Russia investigation is a massive con-job aimed at overturning the election.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:44:42pm

Senate bullshit.
It begins now…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:45:43pm

Wyden holding up the lobbyist-inspired list that McCaskill tweeted and saying that’s as close to what they have been seen is a “bill”.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:45:53pm

re: #245 Targetpractice

And that’s just part of it. Remember that they’re also convinced that Comey was either under orders or personally chose to let Hillary off the hook for her emails which is supposed to be “proof” that he was working to undermine Trump’s presidency. And that Rod Rosenstein is also part of this conspiracy theory because they’re convinced he and Mueller conspired during their time as a prosecutor and FBI director respectively to kill the Uranium One “scandal” back in 2010. And that Mueller being brought in as special counsel was part of a conspiracy with Comey because he and Mueller are friends.

What it all boils down to is a conviction that the whole Russia investigation is a massive con-job aimed at overturning the election.

that involves however many people and yet not one has ever leaked a thing….

no one from The Sting every squealed (presumably) and there were less than 30 of them in on that

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:45:54pm

And whatever the Senate votes on right now isn’t what the House has, so it will go to committee, and then have to go back to both chambers for another vote.

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JordanRules  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:45:58pm
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Scout  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:47:05pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ted Lieu is one cool dude.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:47:16pm

re: #250 JordanRules

I will donate to a pizza fund if one gets set up.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:47:20pm

re: #209 ObserverArt

Kushner is Trump.

Just like anyone under Putin is Putin.

The orders come from the top. Trump will though try to hide behind Kushner, that is why it is all set up to try to make Donny look like he has no direct connections. RICO cases do not need direct connections as much as a pattern and an understanding of “The Family” business flow chart. Trump is at the top.

I am Neegan…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:47:30pm

Sen Merkley is demanding to know why the list is being circulated in the swamp, but not to the Democratic members of the Senate.

“This isn’t doing the people’s business, this is doing the swamp’s business..”

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ericblair  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:48:31pm

re: #243 Backwoods_Sleuth

Right now there’s a whole lot of nothing going on. The Dems had a very spirited confab with the Parliamentarian about an hour or so ago, but nobody knows what it was about. McConnell and his GOP minions are nowhere to be seen.

The longer they’re out screwing around, the more trouble they’re having getting the votes. The longer it takes the more shit comes out regarding what’s in this thing. Then we get into next week and a government shutdown is staring everyone in the face. Plus who knows what kind of Flynn-related hysterics we’re going to see over the weekend that could mess things up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:49:48pm

Sen Portman now spewing the lies AGAIN about how great this is (the GOP keeps talking about percentage tax cuts, not actual money).

Portman says all of this has been posted publicly online. (he is so full of shit)

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:50:50pm

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

note: Hatch #1685 — deduction for religious instruction tuition

and WTF is this?
Hatch #1684 — prohibit cash or gift cards as employee achievement awards.

good fucking grief…this entire list is bullshit.

I will bring this one up before I leave. That’s one of the things I know those around me at my job like.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:50:53pm

Portman says it’s a great thing that property tax deductions are capped at $10,000 because that keeps rich people from taking advantage (!!!!)

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blueraven  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:51:10pm

This Senate debate/vote on big legislative items should be televised on all the networks just like the State of the Union address. It is much more important.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:52:16pm

Portman says this tax reform will help people who are living paycheck-to-paycheck.

good fucking grief…

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fern01  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:52:19pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

“I call the shots” - so very different to “the buck stops here”

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:52:30pm

re: #157 Nyet

So ABC fucked up claiming it was Trump.

I’m thinking they don’t want to mention which member of the Trump admin gave the order to spread panic. Panicked people to careless things.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:52:34pm

again, enough people will see some short-term tax relief until this tax reform really starts taking effect, and by then, they will be blaming someone else for it

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:53:47pm

Sen Scott now speaking and asked Portman for a copy of *the list* because he hasn’t seen it.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He also said just now the Democrats had control of the House Senate and WH for a couple of years.

What A Fucking Liar.

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ericblair  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:53:54pm

re: #242 Romantic Heretic

Read this to my wife. She asked, “If they set up a 529 and the woman gets an abortion at Dear Old Dad’s behest would Dear Old Dad be considered to have benefited from murder?”

Note: My wife does not believe abortion is murder.

I’m not a lawyer, but I can’t see how that works. A legal abortion is a legal abortion. Just because an entity owns something doesn’t make it a human being: if you dissolve a corporation you’re not committing murder. I’m sure personifying a fetus is the intent but it seems like a hell of a long shot. It just seems to create a dubiously defined legal entity that is ripe for abuse.

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lawhawk  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:53:58pm

re: #263 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The GOP thinks that the short term cuts will offset/mask the long term hikes. Or that the deficits caused by their scheme will simply mean that they get to impose draconian cuts to spending (that they’ve been ogling for decades).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:54:44pm

he’s comparing the national debt of the first couple of hundred years in this country with the last few years…

gaaaaaahhhhh

I’m making a drink…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:55:50pm

Scott says when you pull money out of the private sector economy and put it into the government, the private sector economy doesn’t benefit.

So pay no attention to the roads, bridges, water, sewer, etc…..

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sagehen  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:56:31pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:57:25pm

give. me. strength.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:57:57pm

re: #244 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That was the whole gag behind Borat, that most people in the USA have no idea that Kazakhstan even exists, much less where

Yeah I brought that up too. Also Hostel.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:58:04pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

Scott says when you pull money out of the private sector economy and put it into the government, the private sector economy doesn’t benefit.

So pay no attention to the roads, bridges, water, sewer, etc…..

Education, contract enforcement, …

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:58:30pm

re: #263 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, enough people will see some short-term tax relief until this tax reform really starts taking effect, and by then, they will be blaming someone else for it

Back during the Obama Administration, a large majority of Republicans were CERTAIN that their taxes had gone up under Obama, even at a time when EVERYONE’S taxes had gone down with the Stimulus bill.

Most people aren’t paying attention. They’ll get MAYBE an extra $20 a week, which they’ll immediately spend.

When it goes up, they won’t notice that either.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 1:59:22pm

re: #273 Blind Frog Belly White

They’ll notice when it goes up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:00:24pm

Sen Stabenow is now dismantling Scott’s bogus “proof will be in your paychecks” pipe dream promise.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:01:16pm

re: #275 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sen Stabenow is now dismantling Scott’s bogus “proof will be in your paychecks” pipe dream promise.

My grad student son’s taxes are going to go way up.

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garzooma  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:01:33pm

re: #223 VegasGolfer

Other crimes she was involved in
mercurynews.com

“A lengthy new investigative story in the New Yorker reveals that Donald Trump and his Trump Organization helped build a hotel in Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan, a project that the magazine says appears to be a corrupt operation, Trump’s “worst deal” ever and possibly a conduit for illegal activity by Iran’s Revolutionary Guard.”

One aspect of this that I haven’t seen discussed is how it factors into Trump’s hatred of the Iran Deal. Both this and the Reza Zarrab corruption involved circumventing sanctions on Iran. But the Iran Deal removed the sanctions. So it cut into a cash source for Trump and cronies.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:01:42pm

re: #274 Belafon

They’ll notice when it goes up.

One of our functions is to make sure they do.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:01:56pm

re: #275 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sen Stabenow is now dismantling Scott’s bogus “proof will be in your paychecks” pipe dream promise.

this pretty much sums it up:

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blueraven  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:02:30pm

I want to see one Democrat come to the floor of the senate on tax debate and burn that motherfucker down!

Tired of their stale, boring arguments and useless charts.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:02:46pm

re: #215 Kilroy was here

“Read him his rights!”

“You have the right to sing. Anything you do not sing can be used against you in a court of law.
You have the right to play the castanets.
You have the right to dress in a garish, frilly flamenco costume.
You have the right to wear a headdress decorated with fruit. If you cannot afford one, one will be provided to you free of charge.
Do you understand these rights as I have read them to you?”

“Oops… those are the Carmen Miranda Rights.. my bad”

And this ruling paved the way for…….

SHAKIRA LAW!

Shakira Bellydance live in Morocco Mawazine festival 2011

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:03:00pm

re: #261 fern01

“I call the shots” - so very different to “the buck stops here”

“im the decider”

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:03:00pm

re: #280 blueraven

I want to see one Democrat come to the floor of the senate on tax debate and burn that motherfucker down!

Tired of their stale, boring arguments and useless charts.

Burn what down?

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:03:22pm

re: #282 dangerman

“im the decider”

And I decided I didn’t do it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:03:53pm

re: #274 Belafon

They’ll notice when it goes up.

Honestly, I doubt it. But you know what WILL notice? The economy. Consumer spending will be less in aggregate than it otherwise would be. Lower demand, fewer new hires.

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EPR-radar  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:04:05pm

re: #176 TedStriker

“Syphilitic fuckers”, please

AKA Republicans. If we survive this mess, part of the recovery process will be to brand early 21st century Republicans as the sociopaths that they are, and engage in extensive cult deprogramming to make them fit for living in a civilized society.

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blueraven  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:05:19pm

re: #283 Belafon

Burn what down?

Rhetorically speaking, my friend.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:06:11pm

re: #280 blueraven

I want to see one Democrat come to the floor of the senate on tax debate and burn that motherfucker down!

Tired of their stale, boring arguments and useless charts.

ummm….I’ve been watching this all day and the Democrats have been doing an excellent job, IMHO.
The only stale, boring arguments and useless charts have been all GOP.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:06:43pm

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation tops $5 million
abcnews.go.com

Worth every dime.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:07:15pm

LOL, Stabenow is asking why are employee achievement awards a bad thing?

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:07:46pm

re: #289 Decatur Deb

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation tops $5 million
abcnews.go.com

Worth every dime.

Still got 3 years and another $65 million to go before wingnuts can claim it’s “gone on too long” and “cost too much.”

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blueraven  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:08:59pm

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummm….I’ve been watching this all day and the Democrats have been doing an excellent job, IMHO.
The only stale, boring arguments and useless charts have been all GOP.

Been watching off and on, and while I have seen some good arguments I haven’t seen the anger and passion I would have thought. Maybe I missed the best.

Agree, much better than GOP, but they have the votes and don’t care anyway.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:09:47pm

re: #289 Decatur Deb

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation tops $5 million
abcnews.go.com

Worth every dime.

ken starr spent more than $40m and over how many years?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:09:56pm

re: #292 blueraven

Been watching off and on, and while I have seen some good arguments I haven’t see the anger and passion I would have thought. Maybe I missed the best.

Agree, much better than GOP, but they have the votes and don’t care anyway.

You must have missed Sen Bennet (D-CO). He was on fire.
I thought he’d start tossing furniture.

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fern01  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:09:59pm

re: #223 VegasGolfer

Your post would have been so much better without the abusive misogynist expression

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blueraven  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:10:39pm

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

You must have missed Sen Bennet (D-CO). He was on fire.
I thought he’d start tossing furniture.

I did! Will have to look for that.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:10:56pm

re: #293 dangerman

ken starr spent more than $40m and over how many years?

And all he discovered was slovenly dry-cleaning.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:11:17pm

LOL. I block him to shut down his army of flying monkeys, by preventing them from seeing my tweet in his timeline. Works pretty well too. And has the added benefit of getting him pissed off.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:11:42pm

Has the Senate passed their shit bill yet?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:12:07pm

re: #299 Dr. Matt

Has the Senate passed their shit bill yet?

nope.
no one has seen it yet, either.

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:12:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:13:43pm

Portman seems to think that $2,375 is like a really big deal for the median Ohio family.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:13:46pm

re: #298 Charles Johnson

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LOL. I block him to shut down his army of flying monkeys, by preventing them from seeing my tweet in his timeline. Works pretty well too. And has the added benefit of getting him pissed off.

Chuck, you sly dog, are you gas-lighting him?

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:14:11pm

re: #212 Nyet

Em, no.

You are aware this is not all a court of law. If enough charges come up and the connections look like they tie to Trump it is enough for an impeachment.

There are in a way two cases going on. One will be state and federal laws, and the other is the political trial for Trump to keep his office. Facts are not needed in the same way for an impeachment.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:14:32pm

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL, Stabenow is asking why are employee achievement awards a bad thing?

Because they should be grateful they even have a job! Ungrateful peons.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:16:18pm

Sen Murphy (D-CT) saying he’s watching his social media and sees that Corker is a no and Collins is a yes and he wants to know how anyone can be either without SEEING THE BILL.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:17:12pm

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

You must have missed Sen Bennet (D-CO). He was on fire.
I thought he’d start tossing furniture.

[Flips desk, lights on fire.]

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:17:35pm

re: #274 Belafon

They’ll notice when it goes up.

and when they start having to pay more for government and municipal services that are cut to stem the budget deficit, which will start to be an existential crisis as soon as the GOP loses its majority

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:18:12pm

re: #297 Decatur Deb

And all he discovered was slovenly dry-cleaning.

Which happened because a woman’s best friend betrayed her in the worst possible way for a few minutes of fame.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:18:20pm

Murphy mentioning the House instituting the 72-hour rule before voting.
He says the Senate doesn’t even have a 72-minute rule.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:19:15pm

re: #231 Targetpractice

The wingnut CT goes like this:

The Clintons and the DNC paid Fusion GPS to build a dossier with salacious rumors and vicious lies, regardless of where the info came from.

Fusion hired a Brit who then got fed a load of horseshit by Russians that were paid with money from the DNC to make up shit.

Steele took the dossier to the FBI, who then spent taxpayer money finding more lies to take to a FISA court to get a wiretap of Trump Tower.

The FBI used that wiretap to gather info that was funneled to the Clinton campaign, as well as build up a bullshit case against members of the Trump campaign.

When Hillary lost despite all the cheating, Obama ordered Rice to spill the beans to the press about who had been wiretapped, despite the things discussed by the targets being totally legal.

The media then colluded with the “Deep State” to hound Flynn out of office, while the FBI began to build a case against him for “lying” to them about something that was not a crime.

So, in their minds, Flynn is totally innocent, the charges against him are bogus, and the “real” criminals are the Clintons, Obama, Rice, and Comey for trying to railroad this brave patriot.

I hope you recover from having to type all that out. Thinking in wingnut can be damaging.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:19:42pm

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

Portman seems to think that $2,375 is like a really big deal for the median Ohio family.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Perhaps if it were a lump sum. But spread over a matter of years, it’s a cup of coffee per 40 hr work week.

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petesh  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:19:44pm

re: #205 dangerman

its been all over (some of ) the news for days / weeks / months.

yet the white house is “blindsided

Fxd

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:20:22pm

re: #311 ObserverArt

I hope you recover from having to type all that out. Thinking in wingnut can be damaging.

Of all the things I’ve lost, I miss my mind the most.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:20:23pm

OMG, I just woke up and it’s like Christmas morning!!!

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:21:03pm

re: #315 Amory Blaine

OMG, I just woke up and it’s like Christmas morning!!!

Merry Flynnmas.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:21:51pm

re: #315 Amory Blaine

OMG, I just woke up and it’s like Christmas morning!!!

I got home from a rough day at work, saw this and immediately told Mrs. Fish. She was like, WTF WHY DIDN’T YOU TEXT ME IMMEDIATELY?!?!? I was like, I only just found out myself!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:22:06pm

I’m loving Sen Murphy right now.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:22:17pm

Wow. What a time to wake up and log in on my computer.

I first watched a clip of The View (below) where they were just chatting about the subject of the day, when an off-camera employee brought Joy Behar a card with the breaking news from ABC that Michael Flynn plead guilty for lying to the FBI about his Russian contacts during the campaign. The crowd erupted in cheers as she read the card to the audience.

Meghan McCain (R-uber alles) spent the next several minutes trying to play concern troll (I’m afraid an impeachment might rip the country apart), while Ana Navarro (R) and others slapped her arguments down. Ms. Behar reminded Ms. McCain that Meghan wasn’t alive during the Nixon resignation but Joy was. Others noted that a person so close to the top of the national security apparatus was not a “Democratic or Republican” issue but a national issue that should worry any American.

Wow. Mr. “Lock Her Up” pleads guilty. I’m almost inclined to start believing in karma. On the other hand, it’s projection with those guys always, so it’s not surprising this was projection as well.

This video is worth watching (7:35)

Flynn Promised ‘Full Cooperation’ To Mueller Team, Prepared To Testify | The View

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Decatur Deb  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:22:19pm

re: #316 Targetpractice

Merry Flynnmas.

“I’ll Be Home for Christmas in 5 to 8”

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:25:34pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:26:13pm

re: #321 goddamnedfrank

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Yeah, but Trump would still demand somebody put a screen door on it.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:27:03pm

re: #319 Anymouse 🌹

Wow. What a time to wake up and log in on my computer.

I first watched a clip of The View (below) where they were just chatting about the subject of the day, when an off-camera employee brought Joy Behar a card with the breaking news from ABC that Michael Flynn plead guilty for lying to the FBI about his Russian contacts during the campaign. The crowd erupted in cheers as she read the card to the audience.

Meghan McCain (R-uber alles) spent the next several minutes trying to play concern troll (I’m afraid an impeachment might rip the country apart), while Ana Navarro (R) and others slapped her arguments down. Ms. Behar reminded Ms. McCain that Meghan wasn’t alive during the Nixon resignation but Joy was. Others noted that a person so close to the top of the national security apparatus was not a “Democratic or Republican” issue but a national issue that should worry any American.

Wow. Mr. “Lock Her Up” pleads guilty. I’m almost inclined to start believing in karma. On the other hand, it’s projection with those guys always, so it’s not surprising this was projection as well.

This video is worth watching (7:35)

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Meaghan’s playing that game? She does know her dad voted to impeach Clinton over lying about a sexual affair. Sorry Meagan, it doesn’t work that way. Shame there was a time where I thought Meagan was somewhat thoughtful for a Republican which I concede ain’t saying much.

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Skip Intro  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:27:04pm

re: #223 VegasGolfer

That c**t is as guilty as all the rest of the trump crime family.

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Other crimes she was involved in
mercurynews.com

“A lengthy new investigative story in the New Yorker reveals that Donald Trump and his Trump Organization helped build a hotel in Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan, a project that the magazine says appears to be a corrupt operation, Trump’s “worst deal” ever and possibly a conduit for illegal activity by Iran’s Revolutionary Guard.”

The Czarina will never be charged with anything. She’s golden.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:27:27pm

re: #318 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m loving Sen Murphy right now.

I think he needs to be considered for VP. He’s a great attack dog.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:27:30pm

re: #320 Decatur Deb

“I’ll be home for Christmas in 5 to 8”

“I’m dreaming of a white and black jumpsuit.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:28:04pm

re: #326 Targetpractice

“I’m dreaming of a white and black jumpsuit.”

“You better watch out, you better not pout, cuz Santa Mueller is coming to town!”

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Decatur Deb  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:28:15pm

re: #326 Targetpractice

“I’m dreaming of a white and black jumpsuit.”

Orange is the new BDU.

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fern01  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:28:20pm

re: #266 lawhawk

The GOP thinks that the short term cuts will offset/mask the long term hikes. Or that the deficits caused by their scheme will simply mean that they get to impose draconian cuts to spending (that they’ve been ogling for decades).

Of course they do - democrats will be in power when the long term increases hit - and I can hear the GOPers now - screaming to their supporters how the democrats are raising their taxes - taking away their medicare etc etc

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:29:24pm

re: #329 fern01

Of course they do - democrats will be in power when the long term increases hit - and I can hear the GOPers now - screaming to their supporters how the democrats are raising their taxes - taking away their medicare etc etc

And then we might find ourselves in the same mess. We need to win big in 2020.

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petesh  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:31:49pm

re: #324 Skip Intro

The Czarina will never be charged with anything. She’s golden.

Daddy thinks so, natch, but real investigators — nah. Hubby is in much more trouble, but she may have to fall back on the “single mom” tearjerker to keep herself out. FFS she’s been traipsing around the world as an “unofficial” representative of Daddy. She’s in.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:32:10pm

re: #329 fern01

Of course they do - democrats will be in power when the long term increases hit - and I can hear the GOPers now - screaming to their supporters how the democrats are raising their taxes - taking away their medicare etc etc

thats how they game the economic cycle again and again

they lower taxes
tank the economy
by then a dem has to raise taxes to keep us from disaster

repulbicans lower taxes,dems raise taxes qed

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:32:51pm

re: #332 dangerman

thats how they game the economic cycle again and again

they lower taxes
tank the economy
by then a dem has to raise taxes to keep us from disaster

repulbicans lower taxes,dems raise taxes qed

What we need to do is show more and more people what liars the GOP really are.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:34:39pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

oooh…

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He just cant help himself.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:36:00pm

re: #331 petesh

Daddy thinks so, natch, but real investigators — nah. Hubby is in much more trouble, but she may have to fall back on the “single mom” tearjerker to keep herself out. FFS she’s been traipsing around the world as an “unofficial” representative of Daddy. She’s in.

What I suspect is going to happen is that she’ll roll on hubby at the order of Daddy’s lawyers to pin all the blame on him, claiming it was all Jared’s idea to work with the Russians and he kept Daddy totally out of the loop. Motive? The Kushner family was so desperate for money to keep their little fiefdom afloat that they thought putting papa-in-law in the White House by hook and crook would secure the money they needed.

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gocart mozart  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:36:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:37:02pm
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cat-tikvah  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:37:27pm

re: #123 Barefoot Grin

Here you go!
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:39:33pm

re: #321 goddamnedfrank

They should build submarines out of whatever the Mueller Investigation is made from because that shit never leaks.

because he is an experienced, competent professional; three adjectives that one cannot apply to the current administration

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:40:33pm

And really, it’s not that far-fetched a motive. As soon as Donny won the election, Jared started getting audiences with banks and investors who previously wouldn’t give him the time of day. As soon as he was in the White House, he was trying to sell citizenship for “investments.” I would not be surprised if Cobb is considering throwing Jared under the bus, insisting that he was so desperate for liquid funds to keep ahead of bill collectors that the Russians saw in him an easy mark.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:42:19pm
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FormerDirtDart  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:42:31pm

This. This is what “reality” TV gives us.
He was trying to forge a sword, using a fire in a barrel.
He burnt down a good chunk of Cohoes, NY. (few miles north of Albany, if you were wondering)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:43:12pm
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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:43:14pm

Ken Rudin on twitter:

It fascinates me that we don’t even have the final language yet for the Senate tax bill but Republicans say they have the votes to pass it. Why not just call for a vote now and write the bill some other time?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:44:23pm
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petesh  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:44:39pm

re: #335 Targetpractice

What I suspect is going to happen is that she’ll roll on hubby at the order of Daddy’s lawyers to pin all the blame on him, claiming it was all Jared’s idea to work with the Russians and he kept Daddy totally out of the loop. Motive? The Kushner family was so desperate for money to keep their little fiefdom afloat that they thought putting papa-in-law in the White House by hook and crook would secure the money they needed.

Now, that’s plausible. She can play the little innocent …

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:45:07pm

*blink*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:45:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:48:52pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:49:57pm

So Murkowski sold her vote for ANWR drilling on the hope that it will magically fix Alaska’s budget, Collins has sold her vote for a promise that Alexander-Murray will get a vote but no guarantee of passage, and Flake’s sold his vote for the promise to be included in on a meeting over possibly reinstating DACA.

30 pieces of silver doesn’t buy what it used to…

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:50:00pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:51:37pm

uh oh….the yam has lost Fox

President Trump himself also was said to be involved in directing outreach to other countries. A former senior intelligence officer with knowledge of Trump transition activities told Fox News on Friday that then-President-elect Trump directed Flynn as well as McFarland during that period to contact the Russians — while also directing the team to contact 12 other countries.

“The transition team felt that the Obama White House had completely abandoned any coherent foreign policy and had to fill the vacuum,” the former official told Fox News.

LOL at “directing outreach to other countries”.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:53:02pm

re: #351 FormerDirtDart

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OFFS, “access journalism” at its finest. The Hill repeating a report from CNN who is hearing this line “from the White House” without the least bit of investigation whatsoever. This is how the man got elected, the press repeating shit that came from him or his cronies as “fact” rather than showing the least bit of skepticism.

And even if they did approve the call, it doesn’t matter because HE LIED TO THE FBI!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:53:28pm

re: #351 FormerDirtDart

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that is pathetic

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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:53:43pm

re: #351 FormerDirtDart

EVEN if that was true, why would Flynn then lie about it to the FBI!? FFS, these people are idiots.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:55:28pm

must have been one hell of a Christmas party the yam had with the WH press corps this afternoon.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:56:28pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:56:58pm

re: #332 dangerman

thats how they game the economic cycle again and again

they lower taxes
tank the economy
by then a dem has to raise taxes to keep us from disaster

repulbicans lower taxes,dems raise taxes qed

I recall when there was a budget surplus under Clinton and heard Rush Limbaugh saying that it is immoral and unjustifiable for the government to take more from us in taxes than it needs to operate…

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:57:28pm

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Huh, so that’s what it looks like when you sell your soul.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:58:57pm

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah and you believed them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 2:59:16pm

Sen Manchin now speaking against the bill.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:01:15pm

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sen Manchin now speaking against the bill.

He genuinely does annoy me a lot but I appreciate this given how Collins is.

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TedStriker  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:02:11pm

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sen Manchin now speaking against the bill.

Exhibit #1 of why we don’t just shitcan Manchin, like some Lizards were suggesting a few days ago; he’s a conservative, but he tends to stick with his fellow Democrats in the Senate when it matters.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:02:32pm

“But you gave me your assurances that this bill wouldn’t lead to cuts to Medicare, Mitch!”

“Yeah, and I also told folks that this bill was going to lead to an economic boom and put thousands in their pockets. I lied, Susan. I would have thought by now you were used to me doing that.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:02:59pm

jeebus, this is so stupid.
They are doing the “debate” in 30-minute segments that get renewed (or not!) every 30 minutes. 15 minutes for each side.
This is ridiculous.

Also, Toomey speaking now saying the “document” has been available for weeks and that everyone was there for the markups and committee discussions.

He says that with a straight face. And he is outraged…OUTRAGED, I say…

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fern01  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:04:15pm

re: #351 FormerDirtDart

JUST IN: White House claims Obama admin approved Flynn calls with Russian ambassador:

At this stage the White House will claim anything and no self respecting media outlet should give such claims the light of day.

Trump’s lawyer seems to be “the white house spokesperson” for most of the drivel currently being said - and what else is a lawyer for trump going to do but blame someone else.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:04:37pm

Toomey is being a cheerleader for the 1%.

O_o

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:05:06pm

Jack is the worst tech industry CEO since whoever sailed pets.com into charybdis.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:05:28pm

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

Toomey is being a cheerleader for the 1%.

O_o

Of course he is, he used to be the Club for Greed errr Growth chair.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:05:31pm

AASA=American Association of School Administrators

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fern01  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:06:07pm

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hahahahaha - today taxes, next week medicare - these people are so cheap to buy.

Is there any GOP member of the senate who personally will NOT benefit from this tax law … talk about conflict of interest

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jamesfirecat  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:06:15pm

re: #364 Targetpractice

“But you gave me your assurances that this bill wouldn’t lead to cuts to Medicare, Mitch!”

“Yeah, and I also told folks that this bill was going to lead to an economic boom and put thousands in their pockets. I lied, Susan. I would have thought by now you were used to me doing that.”

Shorter Mitch….

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:06:19pm

re: #357 Backwoods_Sleuth

I received assurances today that no reduction in Medicare will be triggered by tax bill. See exchange of letters

they lied to you

like theyre lying about everything else

and you bought it
like so many others are buying the lies

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:06:48pm

getting rid of the SALT deductions is just a matter of fairness, Toomey says, because it gives a benefit to people who live in high-tax districts on the backs of people who live in low-tax districts.

Saying penthouse vs small town.
And people “choose to live in a penthouse”…

GOOD FUCKING GRIEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:07:59pm

I want to strangle this man.

He’s pissed that people who do not pay SALT taxes have to privately contract for trash collection, leaf pickup, etc and THEY can’t deduct those expenses.

GAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:08:28pm

re: #358 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I recall when there was a budget surplus under Clinton and heard Rush Limbaugh saying that it is immoral and unjustifiable for the government to take more from us in taxes than it needs to operate…

cause governments never should expect future unplanned events

the govt can always run on emergency appropriations because of some disaster that happened yesterday. that’s irresponsible

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fern01  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:08:32pm

re: #370 FormerDirtDart

Guarantee the wording includes “Christian Religious School”

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BigPapa  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:09:57pm

Good thing this came out on a Friday news dump. Otherwise everybody would be talking about it.

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:11:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:12:28pm

They want to have a deduction for religious school tuition but fuck you people who pay local property taxes and possibly state income taxes that support public schools: no deductions for you!

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:12:54pm

re: #377 fern01

Guarantee the wording includes “Christian Religious School”

If it does, it’ll be in the courts toot sweet. It’s a flagrantly unconstitutional.

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BigPapa  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:13:35pm

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

They want to have a deduction for religious school tuition but fuck you people who pay local property taxes and possibly state income taxes that support public schools: no deductions for you!

WHY DO YOU HATE THE BABBY JESUS?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:13:36pm

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

They want to have a deduction for religious school tuition but fuck you people who pay local property taxes and possibly state income taxes that support public schools: no deductions for you!

Yeah I saw that. Just the stupidest thing.

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calochortus  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:14:38pm

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

They want to have a deduction for religious school tuition but fuck you people who pay local property taxes and possibly state income taxes that support public schools: no deductions for you!

I’m sure they’ll be fine with Muslim schools and Wiccan schools and the like, too.

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The Major  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:14:59pm

re: #298 Charles Johnson

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:15:12pm

re: #280 blueraven

I want to see one Democrat come to the floor of the senate on tax debate and burn that motherfucker down!

Tired of their stale, boring arguments and useless charts.

Did you see the video of Sherrod Brown (from I think last night)? Not a chart in it. It was pretty heated and pointed.

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Cheechako  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:16:55pm

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOL, Stabenow is asking why are employee achievement awards a bad thing?

Actually cash gift cards are very useful way to hide nefarious payments.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:17:23pm
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majii  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:19:52pm

re: #204 lawhawk

“To think this kind of news was surprising to Trump shows how walled off Trump is from reality (and therefore his supporters also think that this is all deep state bullshit and not the continued unraveling of this craven administration).”

A few weeks back, I read several articles that mentioned WH aides only present Trump with “good” information and news about himself because they want to keep him from flipping out. Although Trump and many of his supporters describe him as a “strong leader,” he’s not. If he has to be “fed” only certain kinds of “good information,” the dude’s on a leash and even he doesn’t know it.

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EPR-radar  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:21:20pm

re: #388 FormerDirtDart

The GOP could have made a much cleaner version of the tax bill in just a few pages:

“The members of the GOP donor class named below are entitled to direct payments from the Federal government according to the following schedule of dollar amounts and payment dates.”

Were this to be proposed, the GOP rank and file would immediately embrace it enthusiastically and condemn all criticism of it as coming from communists and America-haters.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:21:57pm
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calochortus  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:22:45pm

A reporter on The PBS NewsHour just remarked the White House Xmas party for the press was “subdued.” I would imagine it was.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:23:11pm

re: #391 FormerDirtDart

Remember when we heard Trump was less of a warmonger than HRC.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:23:55pm

re: #392 calochortus

A reporter on The PBS NewsHour just remarked the White House Xmas party for the press was “subdued.” I would imagine it was.

Good. I hope they are miserable knowing this could be their last Christmas free.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:23:57pm

re: #326 Targetpractice

“I’m dreaming of a white and black jumpsuit.”

“Just like the ones the entire administration will wear”

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EPR-radar  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:24:42pm

re: #393 HappyWarrior

Remember when we heard Trump was less of a warmonger than HRC.

Yes I do. It always came from exceptionally stupid people.

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:25:00pm
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bratwurst  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:25:21pm

re: #223 VegasGolfer

That c**t is as guilty as all the rest of the trump crime family.

Good news: the internet is awash with places where you can let you misogynist flag fly.

One of the reasons I pay to participate here is that this is not such a place.

I humbly suggest you find someplace better suited to your limited vocabulary.

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:25:51pm
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Single-handed sailor  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:26:17pm

re: #391 FormerDirtDart

I blame Susan Sarandon.

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:26:26pm

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

Those numbers should always be multiplied by .7 and divided by 26.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:27:29pm
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Dr. Matt  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:28:29pm

re: #391 FormerDirtDart

“….we are better than this”

Nope. We are not. We are a country that elected Trump. We are a country that will not impeach Trump. We have no moral high ground any more.

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jaunte  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:29:47pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:31:53pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

uh oh….the yam has lost Fox

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LOL at “directing outreach to other countries”.

He’ll never lose Fox. That’s a fantasy.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:32:39pm

I apologize if posted.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:32:58pm

And here I thought Trumpcare was an absolute shitshow. After tonight, every single fucking thing ever said about how Obamacare was “rammed down our throats” or “written in backrooms” and “voted on without being seen” goes out the fucking window. An overhaul of the entire US tax code being done in a single afternoon with virtually no debate and no final bill.

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Skip Intro  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:34:32pm

re: #404 Dr. Matt

Nope. We are not. We are country that elected Trump. We are country that will not impeach Trump. We have no moral high ground any more.

We are also a country who will elect a child molester to the Senate and have elected a Senate who will seat him with open arms.

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Skip Intro  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:35:53pm

re: #408 Targetpractice

At least I will always know that John McCain is a corrupt piece of shit and always has been.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:36:11pm

re: #387 Cheechako

Actually cash gift cards are very useful way to hide nefarious payments.

I’m sure that is exactly why K Street wants to eliminate them…

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:36:14pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:38:06pm

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:38:23pm

re: #399 bratwurst

Good news: the internet is awash with places where you can let you misogynist flag fly.

One of the reasons I pay to participate here is that this is not such a place.

I humbly suggest you find someplace better suited to your limited vocabulary.

I’m a woman and I think she’s a c**t. Does that make me a misogynist? Just curious.

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petesh  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:39:04pm

re: #406 Skip Intro

He’ll never lose Fox. That’s a fantasy.

It’s possible. Murdoch in the UK dumped Major for Blair when he saw how the wind was shifting.

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JordanRules  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:39:47pm

re: #414 MsJ

I don’t know but Charles has that word blocked for a reason so it’s probably just easier not to use it here.

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:40:14pm

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

Toomey is being a cheerleader for the 1%.

O_o

He must be taking up some of Miss Lindsey’s schtick. Someone has to be pissed off and concerned about the Democrats…and mean it.

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calochortus  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:40:17pm

re: #414 MsJ

I’m a woman and I think she’s a c**t. Does that make me a misogynist? Just curious.

Maybe not, but calling her one insults my ladybits. ;)

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Skip Intro  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:40:22pm

re: #415 petesh

It’s possible. Murdoch in the UK dumped Major for Blair when he saw how the wind was shifting.

The wind hasn’t shifted here and Trump makes Fox millions.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:42:01pm

YOU GO GIRL!!!

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:42:51pm

re: #418 calochortus

Maybe not, but calling her one insults my ladybits. ;)

My ladybits are strong like bull. I am smart like fern. 😁

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BigPapa  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:44:15pm

re: #414 MsJ

I’m a woman and I think she’s a c**t. Does that make me a misogynist? Just curious.

White man here. Words I will never say include the C-donk.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:44:31pm

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:44:42pm

re: #421 MsJ

My ladybits are strong like bull. I am smart like fern. 😁

Remember what show that was used in?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:45:03pm
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MsJ  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:45:56pm

re: #416 JordanRules

I don’t know but Charles has that word blocked for a reason so it’s probably just easier not to use it here.

Sometimes it just fits. Apologies to those offended (truly, not half assed). I fucking dispise the people. With all my being.

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bratwurst  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:46:24pm

re: #418 calochortus

Maybe not, but calling her one insults my ladybits. ;)

This. I feel like it has been fairly well established that some words have a different charge to them based on the user.

Because misogynists love this particular word does not necessarily make anyone who uses it a misogynist. Perhaps I was harsh in implying this particular comment was misogynistic.

Having said that, I genuinely value the fact that the level of discourse here is measurable higher than most places online. I’d not like to see that word being tossed around casually on LGF. Your mileage may vary.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:47:49pm

re: #422 BigPapa

White man here. Words I will never say include the C-donk.

I once had a Brit gf who could wield that word as a scalpel or a cudgel

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:47:55pm

re: #422 BigPapa

White man here. Words I will never say include the C-donk.

I reserve it and use it sparingly. Sometimes, is just the right word (for me).

My dad was like that. He almost never swore, but occasionally he’s drop the C word. And he was always right when he did.

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Skip Intro  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:48:07pm

re: #383 HappyWarrior

You seem to keep missing the point. It’s not “stupid”, it’s evil because the purpose is to destroy public education and replace it “christian” religious “education.

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BigPapa  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:48:51pm

Just to clarify, C-donk may be used if mimicking a foul mouthed Brit.

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:49:25pm

re: #424 dangerman

Remember what show that was used in?

No. I thought it was a movie. What was it from?

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petesh  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:49:45pm

re: #419 Skip Intro

The wind hasn’t shifted here and Trump makes Fox millions.

No and yes. I’d argue that the wind has started to shift, and Murdoch follows the money not the ideology; so, no qualms about dumping Ailes or O’Reilly, and Hannity’s job is only as safe as his ratings, which as I understand it are dropping.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:50:28pm

re: #425 Blind Frog Belly White

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Was thinking earlier that this is the point in The Untouchables where Capone beats a guy to death with a baseball bat as a warning to the others. I can’t help but wonder if we see some firings in the near future as a similar “warning” from Donny.

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calochortus  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:51:06pm

re: #427 bratwurst

This. I feel like it has been fairly well established that some words have a different charge to them based on the user.

Because misogynists love this particular word does not necessarily make anyone who uses it a misogynist. Perhaps I was harsh in implying this particular comment was misogynistic.

Having said that, I genuinely value the fact that the level of discourse here is measurable higher than most places online. I’d not like to see that word being tossed around casually on LGF. Your mileage may vary.

Very true. I don’t really care for calling people “dicks” either, but on a personal level, I really don’t get offended by most random uses of either.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:52:17pm

re: #432 MsJ

No. I thought it was a movie. What was it from?

If I remember correctly first use was on Make Room For Daddy
Danny Thomas’s show

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JordanRules  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:52:21pm

re: #426 MsJ

It doesn’t fit right for me in most circumstances and when it comes from a man, it really is suspect so I don’t mind if this place doesn’t exactly unanimously champion it’s use. I realize it’s status as an extra no-no word is a very American thing, but it feels abrasive as shit coming from guys in most situations I’ve seen.

I really appreciate other guys calling guys on it too.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:52:26pm

re: #423 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Dog, that just FLOWED

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Skip Intro  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:52:32pm

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Cheechako  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:53:47pm

Just remember, the language you use is a measure of the intelligence you have.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:54:25pm

re: #439 Skip Intro

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…except for not having an ssn

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:54:28pm

re: #440 Cheechako

Just remember, the language you use is a measure of the intelligence you have.

Welp, I’m screwed.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:56:11pm

re: #440 Cheechako

Just remember, the language you use is a measure of the intelligence you have.

When I hurl strings of invective at my computer, phone or other tech I admit I have ceded all traces of intelligence

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BigPapa  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:56:48pm

re: #440 Cheechako

Just remember, the language you use is a measure of the intelligence you have.

Swearing Is Actually a Sign of More Intelligence - Not Less - Say Scientists
SCIENCE BITCHES!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:56:59pm

re: #440 Cheechako

Just remember, the language you use is a measure of the intelligence you have.

Bullshit.

/ a little

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:57:03pm

re: #442 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Welp, I’m screwed.

Who you calling a welp?

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bratwurst  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:57:16pm

re: #435 calochortus

Very true. I don’t really care for calling people “dicks” either, but on a personal level, I really don’t get offended by most random uses of either.

I am no prude, and anyone who has paid attention will be aware that I use several of the 7 dirty words here…and more and more in the last year!

I would not argue with MsJ’s assertion that it is not an inappropriate word to apply to Ivanka, but I am a man who doesn’t throw that word around and I have an instinctive distrust of men who do.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:57:27pm

re: #440 Cheechako

Just remember, the language you use is a measure of the intelligence you have.

IIRC, there was a study done in the last year or so that stated that, rather than the long-accepted belief that usage of obscenities marked one as dull and uncultured, creative usage of obscenities could actually be a mark of intelligence.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:57:46pm

re: #444 BigPapa

Swearing Is Actually a Sign of More Intelligence - Not Less - Say Scientists
SCIENCE BITCHES!

Indeed. I’ve worked with a lot of smart people in my decades in Science, and we cuss like sailors.

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JordanRules  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:57:51pm

Oh and when it’s a pattern in your comments to use that word for women, it looks especially foul.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:58:11pm

re: #444 BigPapa

Swearing Is Actually a Sign of More Intelligence - Not Less - Say Scientists
SCIENCE BITCHES!

Fuck, foiled again!

/

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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:58:23pm
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Cheechako  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:58:54pm

re: #442 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Welp, I’m screwed.

Self awareness is a virtue.

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whitebeach  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:59:03pm

re: #440 Cheechako

Just remember, the language you use is a measure of the intelligence you have.

Maybe. But some of the smartest people I’ve known could and did cuss like drunken sailors on shore leave. And some of the stupidest would never let a swear word pass their lips.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:59:14pm

re: #452 ObserverArt

Fuck Yeah!

Fuckin’ A!

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Skip Intro  Dec 1, 2017 • 3:59:39pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:00:47pm

Time to tune up some geetars.

I hope to come back later to more good stuffs.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:01:05pm

re: #453 Cheechako

Self awareness is a virtue.

Old saying I used to use: “Patience is a virtue… one that I don’t have.”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:01:20pm

re: #166 Dr. Matt

Fish in a barrel.

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Old man Woolery thinks that’s a gotcha question because illegals that pay taxes via fake SSNs can’t file returns or get any of it back. He’s an asshole.

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BigPapa  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:01:57pm

I’m busting out some good stuff tonight. I have a bottle of fine single malt called Singin ‘O Flynn.

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TedStriker  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:02:38pm

re: #455 Targetpractice

Fuckin’ A!

re: #456 Skip Intro

Fuckin’ A it is!

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MsJ  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:02:41pm

re: #436 dangerman

If I remember correctly first use was on Make Room For Daddy
Danny Thomas’s show

I remember the show, used to watch it all the time. Thanks!

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:03:06pm

re: #444 BigPapa

Swearing Is Actually a Sign of More Intelligence - Not Less - Say Scientists
SCIENCE BITCHES!

I’ve never heard a flat earther curse…

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Skip Intro  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:03:30pm

re: #461 TedStriker

I would have been first but for those extra words.

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JordanRules  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:03:45pm

What a shit show.

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BigPapa  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:04:20pm

Need a new strain of weed called Kompromat Kush…ner.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:04:35pm

My workstation here is 2 16-core Xeons and 64 GB of RAM. Currently aligning the reads from 10 RNAseq samples, 44 Million x 150 base reads. It’s been running at a fairly constant 97% of CPU since noon Wednesday, and it’s 57% done.

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plansbandc  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:04:35pm

Hopefully a visit to the bottle store is in my near future. I feel the need to get shitty and watch ancient sitcoms.

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petesh  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:05:35pm

re: #458 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Old saying I used to use: “Patience is a virtue… one that I don’t have.”

Patience is a virtue
Virtue is a grace
Grace is a naughty girl
Who didn’t wash her face

[learned at my mother’s knee]

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:05:59pm

re: #467 Blind Frog Belly White

My workstation here is 2 16-core Xeons and 64 GB of RAM. Currently aligning the reads from 10 RNAseq samples, 44 Million x 150 base reads. It’s been running at a fairly constant 97% of CPU since noon Wednesday, and it’s 57% done.

Jesus Christ. the closest I ever came to runs like that was when I was doing numerical simulation work for World of Warcraft combat models.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:06:17pm

re: #466 BigPapa

Need a new strain of weed called Kompromat Kush…ner.

Bad shit, mon!

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:06:59pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:07:52pm

re: #467 Blind Frog Belly White

My workstation here is 2 16-core Xeons and 64 GB of RAM. Currently aligning the reads from 10 RNAseq samples, 44 Million x 150 base reads. It’s been running at a fairly constant 97% of CPU since noon Wednesday, and it’s 57% done.

Yeah, but can it run Crysis?

/(gamer joke)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:08:28pm

re: #472 Ace Rothstein

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So I guess after all Flynn’s tough guy talk. He sung when he got a good deal for giving them Trump.

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Skip Intro  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:10:17pm

Just dropping this here for future reference.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:11:00pm

re: #475 Skip Intro

Just dropping this here for future reference.

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“Rumors of my demise are greatly exaggerated.”

-Seen on his headstone

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:11:07pm

re: #467 Blind Frog Belly White

My workstation here is 2 16-core Xeons and 64 GB of RAM. Currently aligning the reads from 10 RNAseq samples, 44 Million x 150 base reads. It’s been running at a fairly constant 97% of CPU since noon Wednesday, and it’s 57% done.

You will probably be interested in this article: umass.edu

Researchers at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), the Max Planck Institute in Germany, and the Dalle Molle Institute for Artificial Intelligence Research in Switzerland say they have discovered a theoretical solution to a 36-year-old problem in RNA folding predictions, a breakthrough that will be extremely useful in understanding genome sequences. In 1980, microbiologist Ann Jacobson published an algorithm for predicting the secondary structure of single-strand RNA, but since then the algorithm’s cubic running time has not been improved. The researchers have theoretically demonstrated a faster subcubic algorithm possible for RNA folding computations. They developed the algorithm using a special kind of matrix multiplication that reduced the running time from three times the length of the base pair string to 2.82 times. MIT’s Virginia Vassilevska Williams says the new solution “could potentially lead to further breakthroughs in our understanding for fundamental problems such as shortest paths in networks, pattern recognition, and so on.”

Edit: Oh, and this is the kind of research that would be crushed by this tax bill.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:12:00pm

re: #476 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

“Rumors of my demise are greatly exaggerated.”

-Seen on his headstone

“Told you I was sick.”

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BigPapa  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:12:03pm

More last minute changes to the Tax Ram ‘n Scam:

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:12:30pm
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FormerDirtDart  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:12:35pm

re: #370 FormerDirtDart

AASA=American Association of School Administrators

Update

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:12:56pm

re: #476 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Samuel Langhorne Clemens aka Mark Twain
en.wikipedia.org

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whitebeach  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:12:59pm

re: #467 Blind Frog Belly White

My workstation here is 2 16-core Xeons and 64 GB of RAM. Currently aligning the reads from 10 RNAseq samples, 44 Million x 150 base reads. It’s been running at a fairly constant 97% of CPU since noon Wednesday, and it’s 57% done.

Way back when Johnny Carson was hosting the Tonight Show, I was watching the New Year’s Eve countdown from Times Square. The guy reporting live said there were a million people in the crowd. A few seconds later a woman reporter stated that the police estimated a million two hundred thousand. Carson: “Count ‘em again, Charlie!”

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:13:33pm

re: #474 HappyWarrior

So I guess after all Flynn’s tough guy talk. He sung when he got squeezed a good deal for giving them Trump.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:13:45pm

re: #478 Targetpractice

“Told you I was sick.”

My favorite, reported via my mom (who likes to explore cemeteries with my sister during their ladies’ days out): “YOU WILL MISS ME.”

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:15:50pm

re: #481 FormerDirtDart

Update

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They’re starting to call the versions of the bill by what time it is

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:16:00pm

re: #484 dangerman

Flynn’s actions remind me of Reagan after Lebanon.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:16:47pm

re: #475 Skip Intro

He’s gone by January 15.

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Skip Intro  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:16:59pm

re: #479 BigPapa

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Skip Intro  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:18:24pm

re: #488 Ace Rothstein

He’s gone by January 15.

Remember, he’s only there because his wife told him it was the Will of GAWD that he take the job.

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:18:40pm

re: #489 Skip Intro

.It’s really hilarious since that’s the page that dooms the ACA and will lead to pre-existing conditions going back into effect, pricing my kid out of insurance in an attempt to “cleanse” the country of her “burden”. These people are Nazis

See
That how you do it

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dangerman  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:19:32pm

re: #475 Skip Intro

Just dropping this here for future reference.

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Laughable and true

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blueraven  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:20:41pm

re: #465 JordanRules

What a shit show.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:21:32pm

re: #490 Skip Intro

Remember, he’s only there because his wife told him it was the Will of GAWD that he take the job.

I think the quote was “I told you God’s not through with you.”
Not that it makes it any better.

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EPR-radar  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:22:06pm

re: #444 BigPapa

Swearing Is Actually a Sign of More Intelligence - Not Less - Say Scientists
SCIENCE BITCHES!

This is a good excuse for a bit of venting:

Fuck Trump and the motherfucking DC Republicans with rusty farm implements until the sun goes cold. These evil pieces of shit have escaped from Satan’s Anus to torment decent people everywhere. If there is any real karma in the world, they will all contract ass cancer that takes 20 years to kill them off, slowly and painfully.

And the lefty purity ponies that stayed home or voted third party in 2016 can damn well join the Republicans in Hell for their stupidity in helping give us Trump.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:22:48pm

re: #495 EPR-radar

This is a good excuse for a bit of venting:

Fuck Trump and the motherfucking DC Republicans with rusty farm implements until the sun goes cold. These evil pieces of shit have escaped from Satan’s Anus to torment decent people everywhere. If there is any real karma in the world, they will all contract ass cancer that takes 20 years to kill them off, slowly and painfully.

And the lefty purity ponies that stayed home or voted third party in 2016 can damn well join the Republicans in Hell for their stupidity in helping give us Trump.

Don’t hold back, tell us how you really feel.

//

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TedStriker  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:23:26pm

re: #475 Skip Intro

Just dropping this here for future reference.

Which means Tillerson is fucking toast.

Poor bastard, he doesn’t even realize he’s dead yet.

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EPR-radar  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:23:57pm

re: #496 Targetpractice

Don’t hold back, tell us how you really feel.

//

I did hold back. Considerably. I wouldn’t want to get a ban or a warning.

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The Major  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:24:49pm

re: #473 Targetpractice

Yeah, but can it run Crysis?

Is Crysis still a thing these days? That used to be a running joke for a while….

500
Stanley Sea  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:25:17pm

So….is the yam stuck in DC this weekend? Or is this the pedophile by 50 miles support rally? (Pensacola)

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:25:23pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:25:53pm

re: #497 TedStriker

Which means Tillerson is fucking toast.

Poor bastard, he doesn’t even realize he’s dead yet.

Monty Python - “Not Dead Yet” Scene (HD)

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Decatur Deb  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:27:25pm

re: #495 EPR-radar

…. If there is any real karma in the world, they will all contract ass cancer that takes 20 years to kill them off, slowly and painfully.

And the lefty purity ponies that stayed home or voted third party in 2016 can damn well join the Republicans in Hell for their stupidity in helping give us Trump.

Blind Boys of Alabama - God’s Gonna Cut You Down Later With Jools

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The Major  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:30:13pm

re: #475 Skip Intro

Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #48: “The Bigger The Smile, The Sharper The Knife.”

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blueraven  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:30:18pm

Donald Trump expected to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel next Wednesday.

Trump could make the controversial declaration in a speech on Wednesday though he is also expected to again delay his campaign promise to move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv. The senior official and two other government sources said final decisions had not yet been made.

I am sure that will be helpful right now. We don’t have enough turmoil in the middle east.
//

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:31:48pm

re: #495 EPR-radar

This is a good excuse for a bit of venting:

Fuck Trump and the motherfucking DC Republicans with rusty farm implements until the sun goes cold. These evil pieces of shit have escaped from Satan’s Anus to torment decent people everywhere. If there is any real karma in the world, they will all contract ass cancer that takes 20 years to kill them off, slowly and painfully.

And the lefty purity ponies that stayed home or voted third party in 2016 can damn well join the Republicans in Hell for their stupidity in helping give us Trump.

For a silver lining, I read an article that explains that the GOP is actually handing the Democrats a bit of a gift. The Democrats are moving to the left with plans to expand the welfare state, which would require unpopular tax hikes on the middle class. Guess what! In order to fund its unpopular tax cuts for corporations and rich, the GOP is about to enact unpopular tax hikes on the middle class! When the Democrats regain power, in part thanks to the GOP’s giveaway to the rich at the expense of the middle class, as well as the implosion of the Trump Administration, the Democrats can reverse the tax giveaway to the rich, and use all that sweet revenue to enact popular programs for the middle class, like single payer health care and tuition free college. We just have to suffer through this purgatory before reaching the promised land.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:32:31pm

They are blowing everything up

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:32:36pm

re: #505 blueraven

Donald Trump expected to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel next Wednesday.

I am sure that will be helpful right now. We don’t have enough turmoil in the middle east.
//

Gotta pander to Bibi.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:33:05pm

re: #504 The Major

Mack the Knife (Threepenny Opera)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:33:06pm

re: #505 blueraven

Donald Trump expected to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel next Wednesday.

I am sure that will be helpful right now. We don’t have enough turmoil in the middle east.
//

Oh fuck. And I’m going to be flying through the UAE on my way to India. Am I boned? I think I’m boned.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:33:07pm

re: #507 Stanley Sea

They are blowing everything up

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Agh these fucking people. It’s really bad when Tillerson looks somewhat reasonable.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:33:16pm

I think if there is a wave election next year and the Democrats take back the US House, one of the first bills that ought to go in is to repeal the law that caps the House to 435 members.

Wyoming is the least populous state, with 530,000 people. Using that as a metric, on the 2020 Census redraw all districts to about that size. California, with 10% of the US population, should be represented at 10% in the House.

The cap on growth in the US House works just as a gerrymander of a district might, giving unequal power to conservatives. That law needs to die in a fire.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:33:30pm

re: #510 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Oh fuck. And I’m going to be flying through the UAE on my way to India. Am I boned? I think I’m boned.

Brush up on your Canadian eh?

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:34:11pm

re: #501 Ace Rothstein

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I get a chuckle anytime a wingnut tries to cite Reagan’s tax cuts as a “success.” The country dipped immediately back into recession and UE topped out at 10% before Reagan knuckled under and agreed to what was the first of a series of tax increases to deal with the budget deficit. And even with those, the outrageous increases in defense spending and the end of the Cold War quadrupled the national debt and drove the country into a recession that helped elected Bill Clinton. The only way you get the whole “25 years” bullshit is if you just ignore the ‘93 tax increases that the GOP predicted would lead to a massive recession but instead drove the economy to heights it hadn’t seen in decades and allowed Bill to leave office with the budget turning a surplus.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:34:32pm

re: #508 HappyWarrior

Gotta pander to Bibi.

At least till he’s convicted.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:34:55pm

re: #515 Blind Frog Belly White

At least till he’s convicted.

Don or Bibi?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:35:11pm

re: #513 HappyWarrior

Brush up on your Canadian eh?

Yah, sure, ya betcha.

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The Major  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:35:21pm

re: #503 Decatur Deb

…. If there is any real karma in the world, they will all contract ass cancer that takes 20 years to kill them off, slowly and painfully.

And the lefty purity ponies that stayed home or voted third party in 2016 can damn well join the Republicans in Hell for their stupidity in helping give us Trump.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:35:42pm

re: #516 HappyWarrior

Don or Bibi?

Yes.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:36:15pm

re: #514 Targetpractice

I get a chuckle anytime a wingnut tries to cite Reagan’s tax cuts as a “success.” The country dipped immediately back into recession and UE topped out at 10% before Reagan knuckled under and agreed to what was the first of a series of tax increases to deal with the budget deficit. And even with those, the outrageous increases in defense spending and the end of the Cold War quadrupled the national debt and drove the country into a recession that helped elected Bill Clinton. The only way you get the whole “25 years” bullshit is if you just ignore the ‘93 tax increases that the GOP predicted would lead to a massive recession but instead drove the economy to heights it hadn’t seen in decades and allowed Bill to leave office with the budget turning a surplus.

Reagan gets way too much credit but I think the honest to God reason why conservatives love Reagan so much is he was a two time winner and a big winner at that. Hopefully we’ll start looking more critically at his administration’s legacy in the years to come. I firmly believe Reagan was a bad president and history will see that.

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BigPapa  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:36:18pm

re: #517 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yah, sure, ya betcha.

No need to be a hoser, yah.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:36:42pm

re: #517 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yah, sure, ya betcha.

Eh, this guy’s not Canadian, he’s a damn Minnesotan!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:37:03pm

re: #521 BigPapa

No need to be a hoser, yah.

More to life than just a little bit of money, dontcha know?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:37:28pm

re: #519 Targetpractice

Yes.

I walked into that :).

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:37:51pm

re: #516 HappyWarrior

Don or Bibi?

Both.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:37:54pm

re: #520 HappyWarrior

Reagan gets way too much credit but I think the honest to God reason why conservatives love Reagan so much is he was a two time winner and a big winner at that. Hopefully we’ll start looking more critically at his administration’s legacy in the years to come. I firmly believe Reagan was a bad president and history will see that.

They love Reagan for the same reason they love Trump (even those who refuse to admit it): He made them feel good to be white, dumb, and racist. Ronnie played upon the same virulent, hateful, bigoted, forces that Trump did to get into office. But he was able to pull it off in an “aw, shucks” grandfatherly way that even “Reagan Democrats” could bullshit themselves into believing he “meant good.”

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Decatur Deb  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:39:21pm

re: #518 The Major

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Belafon  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:39:31pm

re: #505 blueraven

Donald Trump expected to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel next Wednesday.

I am sure that will be helpful right now. We don’t have enough turmoil in the middle east.
//

How else is he going to get his attack on the US?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:39:33pm

re: #526 Targetpractice

They love Reagan for the same reason they love Trump (even those who refuse to admit it): He made them feel good to be white, dumb, and racist. Ronnie played upon the same virulent, hateful, bigoted, forces that Trump did to get into office. But he was able to pull it off in an “aw, shucks” grandfatherly way that even “Reagan Democrats” could bullshit themselves into believing he “meant good.”

Absolutely.

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JordanRules  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:39:39pm
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Ace Rothstein  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:39:46pm
532
PhillyPretzel  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:42:07pm

re: #530 JordanRules

Tell Sentinel to use his spell checker. Israel is how is spelled.

533
retired cynic  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:42:15pm

re: #530 JordanRules

Oh, ^%&*.

And I was so enjoying the day!

534
PhillyPretzel  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:43:38pm

re: #533 retired cynic

me too. I took a vacation day and went to King of Prussia and had a nice day. And now this. :(

535
Grunthos the Flatulent  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:46:11pm

re: #478 Targetpractice

“Told you I was sick.”

Spike Milligan wanted “I told you I was ill” as his epitaph. This was rejected as too light-hearted by the Diocesan authorities, so it appears in Gaelic on his headstone.

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JordanRules  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:47:05pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:49:15pm

re: #536 JordanRules

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In other words, Bibi is wagging the dog so hard he’s in danger of tearing the poor thing’s tail off. A glimpse into our future under a deluded old man desperate to cling to power in the face of the growing threat of removal from office.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:49:44pm

re: #536 JordanRules

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“Tell Jared to suit up and be on the Green Ramp in 30 minutes.”

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JordanRules  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:51:35pm

re: #537 Targetpractice

Right! Is this a preview for us or what!?! Shit.
Who will show global leadership? Interesting times, we have them.

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William Lewis  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:51:41pm

re: #467 Blind Frog Belly White

My workstation here is 2 16-core Xeons and 64 GB of RAM. Currently aligning the reads from 10 RNAseq samples, 44 Million x 150 base reads. It’s been running at a fairly constant 97% of CPU since noon Wednesday, and it’s 57% done.

Out of curiosity, what OS and compiler system are in use? Are you taking advantage of parallel processing using all those cores?

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:51:44pm

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

I want to strangle this man.

He’s pissed that people who do not pay SALT taxes have to privately contract for trash collection, leaf pickup, etc and THEY can’t deduct those expenses.

GAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Even in my uber-rural village, the village contracts for those services, from the property taxes levied by the county and village (which are deductible currently). He is full of bovine excrement, possibly more than the ranches and feedlots around here.

Out in the county (away from our three incorporated cities), trash pickup is paid by the county, and they can deduct their county property taxes as well.

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Skip Intro  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:52:56pm

re: #494 Ace Rothstein

I think the quote was “I told you God’s not through with you.”
Not that it makes it any better.

“He has one more huge humiliation in store for you Rexy.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:53:11pm

Some good news. NBC is refusing to pay Lauer a buyout on his contract.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:53:12pm

re: #508 HappyWarrior

Gotta pander to Bibi.

Who’s doing his own distraction.

Can’t wait for VB’s boots on the ground report.

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Dizzy  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:53:49pm

Has The Vicious Babushka returned from Israel yet? I hope she’s safe.

546
Skip Intro  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:54:00pm

re: #528 Belafon

How else is he going to get his attack on the US?

Is he going to give the credit to Kushner when it all blows up?

547
PhillyPretzel  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:54:18pm

re: #545 Dizzy

Me too.

548
HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:54:40pm

re: #545 Dizzy

Has The Vicious Babushka returned from Israel yet? I hope she’s safe.

I think she’s close to finishing or was flying home soon.

549
JordanRules  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:54:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:56:21pm

They’ll fuck up the economy and then continue to act like anyone who doesn’t accept their stupid view of economics is a commie and that their view of the economy wasn’t discredited.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:56:33pm

re: #549 JordanRules

Caddyshack 2.

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Dizzy  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:56:51pm

VB’s last tweet was 11 hours ago. She might be in the air or in transit.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:58:18pm

re: #552 Dizzy

VB’s last tweet was 11 hours ago. She might be in the air or in transit.

She’s going to shit bricks when she gets all the news. The whole world just asploded.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:59:15pm

re: #549 JordanRules

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Are we talking “so bad, it’s good” or “so bad, it’s awful”?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 1, 2017 • 4:59:17pm

re: #553 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

She’s going to shit bricks when she gets all the news. The whole world just asploded.

…And is blaming her.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:00:28pm

Cage the Elephant - Right Before My Eyes acoustic

Cage the Elephant explains how I feel about the whole world of affairs right now.
Right before my eyes
I saw the whole world lose control
The whole world lost control
Before my eyes uh-huh
I fell through the floor
I couldn’t take it anymore
I can’t take this anymore
It breaks my mind uh-huh

557
BigPapa  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:01:05pm

Welcome Jennifer.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:01:15pm

re: #554 Targetpractice

Are we talking “so bad, it’s good” or “so bad, it’s awful”?

Grown Ups 2 or Jack and Jill or Paul Blart Mall Cop.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:01:36pm

re: #557 BigPapa

Welcome Jennifer.

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I’ll give her credit.

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JordanRules  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:01:40pm

re: #554 Targetpractice

The latter for sure. The GOP is too vile to fumble their way to a cult classic bad-good flick.

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ipsos  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:01:58pm

re: #552 Dizzy

VB’s last tweet was 11 hours ago. She might be in the air or in transit.

It’s Shabbat. I believe she said she and Zedushka fly out Saturday night, Israel time.

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allegro  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:01:58pm

re: #551 Ace Rothstein

There was a Caddyshack 2?

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:02:53pm

re: #560 JordanRules

The latter for sure. The GOP is too vile to fumble their way to a cult classic bad-good flick.

Oh, well then Highlander: The Source. A movie so bad, it actually makes Highlander 2 seem inspired.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:03:23pm

re: #543 HappyWarrior

Some good news. NBC is refusing to pay Lauer a buyout on his contract.

That will go to court. Rick Pitino just sued the University of Louisville for his $38 million golden parachute, even as Adidas stated that Pitino knew about the player payments all along.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:03:56pm

re: #557 BigPapa

Welcome Jennifer.

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Jenny, no offense, but you supported this shit for years. If you ever defended the Bush Tax Cuts, nothing we’re seeing here should come as a surprise. You built this!

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:04:13pm

re: #557 BigPapa

Welcome Jennifer.

[Embedded content]

“they have no idea how much $ they are putting in Trump’s pocket”

Of course they do.

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allegro  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:04:20pm

re: #563 Targetpractice

Oh, well then Highlander: The Source. A movie so bad, it actually makes Highlander 2 seem inspired.

Was that the atrocity that had Sean Connery’s character from the planet Zeist? Or something. Yeah, that was the worst I’ve seen.

568
HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:04:33pm

re: #564 Big Beautiful Door

That will go to court. Rick Pitino just sued the University of Louisville for his $38 million golden parachute, even as Adidas stated that Pitino knew about the player payments all along.

Yeah I did see that too.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:05:50pm

re: #567 allegro

Was that the atrocity that had Sean Connery’s character from the planet Zeist? Or something. Yeah, that was the worst I’ve seen.

The latter was. The former was a “made-for-TV” travesty that was paid for by Syfy, something that most people should have seen leading to nothing good.

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allegro  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:05:51pm

re: #566 Ace Rothstein

“they have no idea how much $ they are putting in Trump’s pocket”

Of courser they do.

If they don’t it’s only because they are too busy planning their own tax windfall spending sprees.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:07:05pm

re: #551 Ace Rothstein

Caddyshack 2.

Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death.

572
Big Beautiful Door  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:08:10pm

re: #554 Targetpractice

Are we talking “so bad, it’s good” or “so bad, it’s awful”?

The latter. Gigli rather the The Room.

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TedStriker  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:08:24pm

re: #520 HappyWarrior

Reagan gets way too much credit but I think the honest to God reason why conservatives love Reagan so much is he was a two time winner and a big winner at that. Hopefully we’ll start looking more critically at his administration’s legacy in the years to come. I firmly believe Reagan was a bad president and history will see that.

It helped Reagan tremendously that he was up against Carter, then Mondale.

574
Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:08:33pm

Hell, I could just save time and say “Any film made by Uwe Boll.” I don’t even have to name a specific one, just say the words “Uwe Boll” and people immediately reach for their barf bags.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:09:08pm

re: #569 Targetpractice

The latter was. The former was a “made-for-TV” travesty that was paid for by Syfy, something that most people should have seen leading to nothing good.

I love myself some SyFy, they’ve done some good things… and they have done some truly, epically, horrifyingly AWFUL things.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:09:37pm

re: #572 Big Beautiful Door

The latter. Gigli rather the The Room.

Oh hai, Bennifer.

/

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:10:13pm

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:10:38pm

re: #571 Anymouse 🌹

Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death.

That would make a great name for a Band.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:10:51pm

re: #575 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I love myself some SyFy, they’ve done some good things… and they have done some truly, epically, horrifyingly AWFUL things.

My experience is Syfy (or Scifi Channel back in the day) does great mini-series, but absolutely awful made-for-TV films. I suppose that’s because they only ever made one of the former once-in-a-blue-moon, while the latter got churned out like pink slime in a meat packing plant.

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Interesting Times  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:11:21pm

Burn:

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TedStriker  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:11:34pm

re: #543 HappyWarrior

Some good news. NBC is refusing to pay Lauer a buyout on his contract.

You would think that most contracts like that have clauses that automatically render the whole thing null and void in regards to illegal/criminal behavior on the job.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:11:59pm
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Interesting Times  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:13:07pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:13:27pm

re: #559 HappyWarrior

I’ll give her credit.

I won’t. When this is all over, Jennifer Rubin is going to spin Trump as some sort of “aberration” and go right back to supporting R’s.

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jamesfirecat  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:15:27pm

re: #563 Targetpractice

Oh, well then Highlander: The Source. A movie so bad, it actually makes Highlander 2 seem inspired.

Could just be orbital wobble…

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Dizzy  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:15:33pm

re: #561 ipsos

It’s Shabbat. I believe she said she and Zedushka fly out Saturday night, Israel time.

I forgot about that. Hope she gets out ok. This might disrupt flights for a while.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:15:47pm

Anyone mention yet the big tax gift John Cornyn slipped in for energy companies and Blackstone?
slate.com

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gocart mozart  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:15:49pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:16:26pm

re: #584 Anymouse 🌹

I won’t. When this is all over, Jennifer Rubin is going to spin Trump as some sort of “aberration” and go right back to supporting R’s.

Exactly. By 2020, we’re either gonna have the Rubins of the conservative world telling us that voting for Johnson (or whoever the Libertarians run) is not a violation of conservative orthodoxy, or telling us that Pence didn’t run the country into a ditch and so deserves his own term rather than serving out the remainder of Donny’s.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:16:37pm

I live for Josh gifs

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darthstar  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:17:10pm

re: #580 Interesting Times

Burn:

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That’s funny because I’m always looking at Sarah Huckabooboo and wondering what kind of snacks she bakes for cross burnings.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:17:49pm

re: #585 jamesfirecat

Could just be orbital wobble…

*shudders*

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Stanley Sea  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:17:56pm

OH btw, Bannon may very well be in trouble.

Any news on him?

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:18:33pm

re: #593 Stanley Sea

OH btw, Bannon may very well be in trouble.

Any news on him?

Did they stop stocking his preferred brand of rotgut at the 7-11?

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gocart mozart  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:18:58pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:19:26pm

re: #593 Stanley Sea

OH btw, Bannon may very well be in trouble.

Any news on him?

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EPR-radar  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:20:06pm

re: #584 Anymouse 🌹

I won’t. When this is all over, Jennifer Rubin is going to spin Trump as some sort of “aberration” and go right back to supporting R’s.

Exactly. Any long-time Republican that has a real problem with Trump can leave the Republican party until it is no longer the party of Trump and Trumpism. If this isn’t done, all they offer is hot air.

Most of the giant fungal ass tumors so characteristic of the Trump administration are cancerous growths of precisely the kind to be expected from long decades of GOP horror-lab political experimentation.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:20:45pm

It would not surprise me if Jennifer Rubin and others like her pulled the lever for Donny or Johnson while chanting in their heads “President Pence…President Pence…President Pence…”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:20:48pm

re: #593 Stanley Sea

OH btw, Bannon may very well be in trouble.

Any news on him?

Ooooh I hadn’t heard about this. I’d love to see that smug jerk go down.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:21:26pm

Ya’ll CNN adverse people - Jeffrey Toobin is worth watching.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:21:32pm

re: #578 Big Beautiful Door

That would make a great name for a Band.

Close second: Sex Lives of the Potato Men

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Stanley Sea  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:22:20pm

re: #599 HappyWarrior

Ooooh I hadn’t heard about this. I’d love to see that smug jerk go down.

He and Kellyanne were at Mar a lago IN the foreign policy meetings with Flynn & the yam

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:24:09pm

re: #600 Stanley Sea

Ya’ll CNN adverse people - Jeffrey Toobin is worth watching.

I like Toobin.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:24:19pm

re: #599 HappyWarrior

Ooooh I hadn’t heard about this. I’d love to see that smug jerk go down.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:25:00pm

re: #593 Stanley Sea

OH btw, Bannon may very well be in trouble.

Any news on him?

He’s been fairly quiet about all this, instead campaigning for Roy Moore.

That would be interesting that the reason he hasn’t said anything is he is also in “secret talks” with Mueller … that would be a wonderful lump of coal to hand Breitbart and the Mercers.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:25:04pm

re: #604 Stanley Sea

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:25:39pm

re: #598 Targetpractice

It would not surprise me if Jennifer Rubin and others like her pulled the lever for Donny or Johnson while chanting in their heads “President Pence…President Pence…President Pence…”

Honestly, I don’t know. I understand the skepticism directed her way and it’s not undeserved but at the same time, our very host was an opponent of Obama’s in 2008 and ended up championing him. I’m not asking Rubin to come to party rallies but I do think there’s some sincereness here.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:26:30pm

re: #605 Anymouse 🌹

He’s been fairly quiet about all this, instead campaigning for Roy Moore.

That would be interesting that the reason he hasn’t said anything is he is also in “secret talks” with Mueller … that would be a wonderful lump of coal to hand Breitbart and the Mercers.

That honestly wouldn’t shock me. I see Bannon as someone who would sink the whole ship to save himself.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:27:15pm

Jim Acosta reporing - WH in a bubble, no anxiety. He thinks he’s being exonerated.

THIS is whats happens when you coddle an addled potus.

Jaysus Christo

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:27:50pm

re: #548 HappyWarrior

I think she’s close to finishing or was flying home soon.

I thought she was flying out Sat night. After the Sabbath ends. She’s probably offline until sundown.

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allegro  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:28:28pm

I suppose it would be heretical to suggest that perhaps Rubin and a bunch of other conservatives may be seeing the light and are horrified by what the party has become?And then when the worst of them have been cleaned out through criminal prosecution, resignation, or electoral defeats will create a more sane party?

Sorry for suggesting a bit of optimism. But.

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blueraven  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:28:39pm

You knew this was coming. After they take care of their rich donors…

GOP eyes post-tax-cut changes to welfare, Medicare and Social Security

High-ranking Republicans are hinting that, after their tax overhaul, the party intends to look at cutting spending on welfare, entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare, and other parts of the social safety net.

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) said recently that he wants Republicans to focus in 2018 on reducing spending on government programs. Last month, President Trump said welfare reform will “take place right after taxes, very soon, very shortly after taxes,” according to The Washington Examiner.

As Republicans advocate spending cuts, they have frequently cited a need to reduce the national deficit while growing the economy.

“You also have to bring spending under control. And not discretionary spending. That isn’t the driver of our debt. The driver of our debt is the structure of Social Security and Medicare for future beneficiaries,” Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) said this week.

While whipping votes for a GOP tax bill on Thursday, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) attacked “liberal programs” for the poor and said Congress needed to stop wasting Americans’ money.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:29:06pm

re: #610 I Would Prefer Not To

I thought she was flying out Sat night. After the Sabbath ends. She’s probably offline until sundown.

You are correct.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:29:41pm

re: #607 HappyWarrior

Honestly, I don’t know. I understand the skepticism directed her way and it’s not undeserved but at the same time, our very host was an opponent of Obama’s in 2008 and ended up championing him. I’m not asking Rubin to come to party rallies but I do think there’s some sincereness here.

We’ll have to see. GW Bush suddenly became an “aberration” to Republicans. I do not see Jennifer Rubin as I do Ana Navarro. While Ms. Navarro is certainly no liberal, she strikes me as far more sincere in her stated convictions about where she wants to see the GOP go.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:30:04pm

re: #611 allegro

I suppose it would be heretical to suggest that perhaps Rubin and a bunch of other conservatives may be seeing the light and are horrified by what the party has become?And then when the worst of them have been cleaned out through criminal prosecution, resignation, or electoral defeats will create a more sane party?

Sorry for suggesting a bit of optimism. But.

I’m with you & Happy

Give people a break for change.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:30:06pm

re: #612 blueraven

You knew this was coming. After they take care of their rich donors…

GOP eyes post-tax-cut changes to welfare, Medicare and Social Security

Tell me again, who are the real elites? And fuck Hatch. He benefitted from the same programs he’s trying to dismantle. As for wasting the American people’s money. Double fuck oyu.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:30:16pm

re: #609 Stanley Sea

Jim Acosta reporing - WH in a bubble, no anxiety. He thinks he’s being exonerated.

THIS is whats happens when you coddle an addled potus.

Jaysus Christo

Good; I don’t want the asshole to see it coming.

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Targetpractice  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:30:29pm

re: #607 HappyWarrior

Honestly, I don’t know. I understand the skepticism directed her way and it’s not undeserved but at the same time, our very host was an opponent of Obama’s in 2008 and ended up championing him. I’m not asking Rubin to come to party rallies but I do think there’s some sincereness here.

I can tell you that, as a fossil from the earliest days of LGF, Charles was largely on the right side of the aisle in opposition to what was seen (at the time) as an existential threat to the US that the DNC did not seem to be taking seriously. And when he broke ranks with the right in ‘09, it was complete and total without any sort of hedging or being based upon opposition to one singular person or group. We liked to say at the time (and a lot of us fossils still declare) that we were “anti-idiotarian.” I think that still holds to this day.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:31:32pm

re: #614 Anymouse 🌹

We’ll have to see. GW Bush suddenly became an “aberration” to Republicans. I do not see Jennifer Rubin as I do Ana Navarro. While Ms. Navarro is certainly no liberal, she strikes me as far more sincere in her stated convictions about where she wants to see the GOP go.

That’s fair. I definitely do trust Ana the most of the anti-Trump Republicans. I’m not saying these people are our allies for the long haul and you and TP have every right to be skeptical as you should be.

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EPR-radar  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:32:04pm

re: #611 allegro

I suppose it would be heretical to suggest that perhaps Rubin and a bunch of other conservatives may be seeing the light and are horrified by what the party has become?And then when the worst of them have been cleaned out through criminal prosecution, resignation, or electoral defeats will create a more sane party?

Sorry for suggesting a bit of optimism. But.

I’d like that to happen, but I’ll believe it when I see it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:32:14pm

re: #615 Stanley Sea

I’m with you & Happy

Give people a break for change.

Trust but verify.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:32:28pm

re: #618 Targetpractice

I can tell you that, as a fossil from the earliest days of LGF, Charles was largely on the right side of the aisle in opposition to what was seen (at the time) as an existential threat to the US that the DNC did not seem to be taking seriously. And when he broke ranks with the right in ‘09, it was complete and total without any sort of hedging or being based upon opposition to one singular person or group. We liked to say at the time (and a lot of us fossils still declare) that we were “anti-idiotarian.” I think that still holds to this day.

That’s very true. Sorry if I seemed like I was giving a hard time. I totally understand why you and AM are skeptical of her. We have every right to be.

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allegro  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:33:42pm

re: #620 EPR-radar

I’d like that to happen, but I’ll believe it when I see it.

100% in with that.

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blueraven  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:34:34pm

re: #611 allegro

I suppose it would be heretical to suggest that perhaps Rubin and a bunch of other conservatives may be seeing the light and are horrified by what the party has become?And then when the worst of them have been cleaned out through criminal prosecution, resignation, or electoral defeats will create a more sane party?

Sorry for suggesting a bit of optimism. But.

Not to me. I am happy for the Never-Trumpers, especially in the media.
Doesn’t mean I will agree with them on many other things, but on the horrible destructiveness of Trump and Trumpism…they are welcome.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:35:11pm

re: #622 HappyWarrior

That’s very true. Sorry if I seemed like I was giving a hard time. I totally understand why you and AM are skeptical of her. We have every right to be.

Fair enough, thanks. And I can understand why people might wish to cut Ms. Rubin some slack. As I said upstream, we’ll see. Moving on to the next thread… .

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:35:31pm

re: #615 Stanley Sea

I’m with you & Happy

Give people a break for change.

Right. I mean it’s easy for me as a lifelong liberal to many conservatives “Well what took you so goddamn long?” But I know many Lizards here voted for and supported the Bush admin too. People see the light at different times. TP and AM are right to have some skepticism but I think it’s fair to see that they may in fact be legitimately outraged by what’s going on. Rubin I will note has criticized not just Trump but a lot of the elected GOP. as well.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:36:06pm

re: #625 Anymouse 🌹

Fair enough, thanks. And I can understand why people might wish to cut Ms. Rubin some slack. As I said upstream, we’ll see. Moving on to the next thread… .

Yeah just a difference of perspective. We’re all amigos here.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:36:50pm

re: #624 blueraven

Not to me. I am happy for the Never-Trumpers, especially in the media.
Doesn’t mean I will agree with them on many other things, but on the horrible destructiveness of Trump and Trumpism…they are welcome.

You gotta remember also that Lincoln had a team of rivals- peopel who had opposed him btiterly to win the Civil War too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 1, 2017 • 5:43:28pm

re: #545 Dizzy

Has The Vicious Babushka returned from Israel yet? I hope she’s safe.

their flight home is Saturday night

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wheat-dogg  Dec 1, 2017 • 6:11:11pm

re: #112 ericblair

Still catching up on this thread, but here’s my two cents. AFAIK, the fetus could not be beneficiary without a tax ID number (SSN), because you know the IRS wants those kind of things. Or if the fetus could be named a beneficiary, it could not receive any funds in his/her name until it has an SSN. Even then, being a minor child, the funds would be held in trust by his/her parent(s) until majority. So, if the fetus is not born, the parents could receive the funds, unless there was a clause in the agreement nullifying the plan in case of the decease of the main beneficiary.

Short version: it’s political theater, and I doubt such a proposal would even be legal.


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