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President Donald J. Trump has been obsessed with Fake News since before he took office, and recently put forth a challenge on Twitter to give a Fake News Trophy to the Most Fake of News. Challenge Accepted, Mr. President. We proudly present the first annual Most Dishonest, Corrupt, and/or Distorted In Its Political Coverage of Your Favorite President (Me) Awards.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:17:25pm

I’m going to repost from the previous thread:

Does anyone here have any clue about this tax proposal and how it affects sole proprietors? I’m trying to figure out if I would still be able to deduct my business expenses from my gross income to get a net income. I’m also wondering if I’m going to be able to deduct my health insurance premiums which are outrageously high and that I simply cannot afford, but have to have anyway.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:17:26pm

Have any Republicans chimed in about You Know Who’s latest tweet??????

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:18:03pm
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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:19:23pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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Gee, I already know that, Lawrence, but I’m not going to sit back and wait to see what they vote for. I want the facts NOW.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:20:49pm
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JordanRules  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:25:03pm

re: #1 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

That’s a good part of this outrage. Nobody knows. You deserve to know. We all do.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:27:36pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Not just directed at Charles, but I was wondering what it takes to get this fool arrested? Why is all of this mess not considered actual treason? Will Trump ever see the inside of a prison cell? I keep hearing you can’t charge a sitting President with any crime, is that right ? Even if he’s caught red handed? I really don’t know, anyone have insight on this?

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:32:38pm

re: #7 A Mom Anon

Mueller is building a case against Trump and Company. That takes time and the fact he is starting at the bottom Mueller is showing how far the “rot” has gone. I think only a lawyer could go further into making a case.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:34:00pm

re: #7 A Mom Anon

Not just directed at Charles, but I was wondering what it takes to get this fool arrested? Why is all of this mess not considered actual treason? Will Trump ever see the inside of a prison cell? I keep hearing you can’t charge a sitting President with any crime, is that right ? Even if he’s caught red handed? I really don’t know, anyone have insight on this?

So far it’s yet another case of IOKIYAR 🤬

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:34:24pm

re: #7 A Mom Anon

AFAIK, only Congress can impeach and convict him, and the political will is lacking.

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:35:09pm

re: #1 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

I’m going to repost from the previous thread:

Does anyone here have any clue about this tax proposal and how it affects sole proprietors? I’m trying to figure out if I would still be able to deduct my business expenses from my gross income to get a net income. I’m also wondering if I’m going to be able to deduct my health insurance premiums which are outrageously high and that I simply cannot afford, but have to have anyway.

I responded, but not sure how helpful it was.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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JordanRules  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:35:13pm

re: #10 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That’s the nutshell!

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:36:25pm

re: #6 JordanRules

That’s a good part of this outrage. Nobody knows. You deserve to know. We all do.

Exactly. I got divorced 2 months ago and wasn’t planning on that! So, now I’m head of household, only have my kids every other week, have to pay rent on a house, work as an independent contractor, lost my insurance, and now get to worry about how much fucking money I’m actually going to have. These goddamn mother fuckers are stressing me out worse than the divorce. I don’t need this!!!

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:38:10pm

re: #13 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

No one needs this. The only thing keeping me going today is my Star Wars collection. That and the bonus features.

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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:38:36pm

For those wondering where that private jet amendment came from,

Charlie Pierce

esquire.com says follow the money:

It’s very good to be a wealthy Republican donor in Wisconsin these days. The U.S. Senate is going to let you deduct the maintenance on your private jet and the state will build you an airport for it. From The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel:

“A tiny airport in central Wisconsin that’s seen an influx of private jets since a Republican donor’s world-class golf course opened nearby would get $4 million in improvements under funding slipped into the state budget this week. The Republican-controlled Joint Finance Committee approved the funding after the developer of the Sand Valley Golf Resort, Michael Keiser, donated $25,000 to the state Republican Party in February, records reviewed by The Associated Press show. That donation was three weeks after Gov. Scott Walker released his budget without funding for Wisconsin Rapids’ Alexander Field. Keiser has given at least $65,000 to Walker and Wisconsin Republicans since 2012. “It sure looks like Mr. Keiser’s campaign contributions to Scott Walker and Republicans teed up millions in taxpayer-funded improvements to help bring corporate jet ferried golfers to his Wisconsin courses,” said Mike Browne with the liberal advocacy group One Wisconsin Now. “Meanwhile, the rest of us will continue to have to deal with crumbling roads and bridges and delayed projects as these same Republicans take a budget mulligan and refuse to fix the state transportation funding crisis.”
I don’t normally wish the shanks on any of my fellow humans but I hope this cat doesn’t find a fairway for the next 10 years.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:38:42pm

re: #11 BeachDem

I responded, but not sure how helpful it was.

littlegreenfootballs.com

That’s kind of what I’ve been understanding as well. I don’t have the money to structure a business and pay all the fees. I’m a fucking independent contractor! I don’t need a business structure. If I find out more, I will definitely post.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:40:19pm

re: #14 PhillyPretzel

No one needs this. The only thing keeping me going today is my Star Wars collection. That and the bonus features.

I don’t even have time to work on my fiber arts projects or puzzles to just unwind. I’m too busy working. So busy working that I still don’t have my house unpacked and I need to finish it up this weekend before my girls come back tomorrow night. They deserve better than this and it’s been two months.

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dangerman  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:40:21pm

re: #1 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

I’m going to repost from the previous thread:

Does anyone here have any clue about this tax proposal and how it affects sole proprietors? I’m trying to figure out if I would still be able to deduct my business expenses from my gross income to get a net income. I’m also wondering if I’m going to be able to deduct my health insurance premiums which are outrageously high and that I simply cannot afford, but have to have anyway.

totally guessing, because, you know, i havent seen it or read an actual bill yet

so im guessing there will still be a schedule c
there could be changes to what’s deductible though it’s gonna be hard to mess with “ordinary and necessary”
i have no idea what they did/plan to do with the above the line adjustments

then again they targeted the teachers $250 adjustment for supplies bought with personal funds…

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JordanRules  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:40:47pm

re: #13 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Uggh. It makes me sick thinking about all the millions of folks struggling with the same thing right now. You should not have to worry about this. Not like this.

The GOP is deplorable.

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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:45:10pm

re: #1 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

I’m going to repost from the previous thread:

Does anyone here have any clue about this tax proposal and how it affects sole proprietors? I’m trying to figure out if I would still be able to deduct my business expenses from my gross income to get a net income. I’m also wondering if I’m going to be able to deduct my health insurance premiums which are outrageously high and that I simply cannot afford, but have to have anyway.

All the scribblings on the back of local bar napkins haven’t been interpreted yet, so all the text of the details are not ready. They are still collecting them as some lobbyists didn’t make it back from, the uh, legislation composing sessions until this morning.

Trump likes to call this process “the mixer and that you will be so happy with the Christmas gift Trump is giving you this year. So happy believe me.”

So, no. No one knows…anything.

But damn it…they got ‘er done!

And they gotta pay for this.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:45:15pm

re: #10 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
So he could literally murder someone and still not be arrested for it? I get why the Office of POTUS would be protected to some degree, but if it’s obvious he’s committed felonies, and Congress doesn’t act, that’s it? I hate sounding dumb, but I don’t get why he’d be immune from the law just because Congress won’t act.

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EPR-radar  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:46:00pm

re: #19 JordanRules

Uggh. It makes me sick thinking about all the millions of folks struggling with the same thing right now. You should not have to worry about this. Not like this.

The GOP is deplorable.

The GOP is evil and must be destroyed as a political force in America if the nation is to be civilized.

It is admittedly impossible to figure out what to do about the deprogramming of tens of millions of Faux News quasi-murderbots that will be necessary for any improvements to be stable.

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:46:19pm

re: #16 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

That’s kind of what I’ve been understanding as well. I don’t have the money to structure a business and pay all the fees. I’m a fucking independent contractor! I don’t need a business structure. If I find out more, I will definitely post.

My accountant had actually mentioned the idea of becoming a sub-S (?) a while back—if my memory is correct, it wasn’t hideously expensive (like about $500-$800 range I think.) I declined because I’m an “old” and didn’t think it would be worth my while.

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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:47:42pm

We have occasionally wondered how the VA state house race is going, and the Daily Kos Elections newsletter has a response. Sorry it’s so long!

• Virginia: On Monday, Virginia certified its 2017 election results, but three state House races where Republicans narrowly lead are still unresolved. Democrats have asked for recounts in the 28th, 40th, and 94th districts, where Republicans lead by 82, 106, and 10 votes, respectively. If Republicans prevail in all three recounts, they’d maintain a razor-thin 51-49 majority, but if Democrats can flip just one seat, it would create a 50-50 tie and force the GOP into a power-sharing arrangement—and if the outcome changes in two races, Democrats would take control outright, so the stakes are incredibly high.

In a desperation gambit, Republicans filed for a recount of their own in the 68th District, but they face an almost impossible 336-vote deficit there, and they know it: GOP Del. Manoli Loupassi conceded on election night to his Democratic opponent, Dawn Adams. Loupassi even said that he was seeking the recount only “to make sure everything is in order here,” so there’s little chance anything will shift here.

The most-watched seat, therefore, is the 94th, thanks to the closeness of the results, though the 40th District has a quirk that bears keeping an eye on, since Democrat Donte Tanner actually went to bed on election night thinking he’d won; the next day, however, officials gave the lead back to Republican Del. Tim Hugo, apparently having failed to count a number of ballots.

Meanwhile, in the 28th, an explosive problem in how the election was administered could upend everything. Officials there have admitted that at least 384 registered voters were assigned to the wrong district, and at least 147 cast a ballot last month. Of those, 86 voters who should have been assigned to the 28th were given ballots for two other districts, while 61 voters who should’ve been in the 88th (a safely Republican seat) incorrectly voted in the race for the 28th. We don’t know if these errors alone were enough to cost Democrat Joshua Cole victory against Republican Bob Thomas in the 28th, but Cole has understandably asked for a recount that will hopefully shed light on this mess.

House Democrats might also pursue a challenge on another front. They’d previously filed a lawsuit seeking to block certification of Thomas’ 82-vote win, but a federal judge refused to grant an injunction. However, the judge also denied the GOP’s motion to dismiss the lawsuit and suggested Democrats might have a case if they were to ask the court void the election and call a new one. They have until Dec. 6 to amend their lawsuit to seek such a remedy.

It’s unclear why exactly this foul-up happened, and the person who was likely responsible for it, former Fredericksburg registrar Juanita Pitchford, can’t explain since she died in April. However, we do know that this problem is a direct result of Republicans splitting the city of Fredericksburg between multiple districts when they drew the House map—something they did to benefit their own political fortunes. Mistakes like these are inevitable when election administrators are less than fully transparent, and this incident of disenfranchisement is undoubtedly not an isolated event in this country.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:48:05pm

re: #20 ObserverArt

All the scribblings on the back of local bar napkins haven’t been interpreted yet, so all the text of the details are not ready. They are still collecting them as some lobbyists didn’t make it back from, the uh, legislation composing sessions until this morning.

Trump likes to call this process “the mixer and that you will be so happy with the Christmas gift Trump is giving you this year. So happy believe me.”

So, no. No one knows…anything.

But damn it…they got ‘er done!

And they gotta pay for this.

Oh, Heller will pay, all right. I’ll find the time to volunteer to make sure he is not elected again.

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dangerman  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:49:28pm

re: #7 A Mom Anon

Not just directed at Charles, but I was wondering what it takes to get this fool arrested? Why is all of this mess not considered actual treason? Will Trump ever see the inside of a prison cell? I keep hearing you can’t charge a sitting President with any crime, is that right ? Even if he’s caught red handed? I really don’t know, anyone have insight on this?

part of this is that he’s blurred the lines between official office and individual citizen
when he tweets, what is he? legally, im guessing it’s really not clear
so he’ll say he’s just yelling from a street corner, fully protected speech - it’s just blather. a tweet is not an admission or proof of anything. “if you think there’s a crime, prove it”

congress or the cabinet? that’s a whole different set of motivations

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plansbandc  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:50:28pm

re: #13 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

I’m with you on that.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:50:53pm

re: #23 BeachDem

My accountant had actually mentioned the idea of becoming a sub-S (?) a while back—if my memory is correct, it wasn’t hideously expensive (like about $500-$800 range I think.) I declined because I’m an “old” and didn’t think it would be worth my while.

I don’t have that kind of money. I spent a long time trying to figure out how I was going to get insurance. Couldn’t afford anything on the market, or if I could afford it, I’d still be paying completely out of pocket for everything since the deductible was so high. I decided on going with COBRA which is in the middle of as far as cost of the premium from what I was looking at and I will still be able to use the insurance. It’s money I don’t have and it’s only for 18 months, but after I got back a suspicious chest CT scan and need another one in 3 months, I don’t really have a choice.

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Interesting Times  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:51:19pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:52:08pm

re: #29 Interesting Times

We all keep saying that and it just keeps going on and on and getting worse every day.

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dangerman  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:52:51pm

re: #23 BeachDem

My accountant had actually mentioned the idea of becoming a sub-S (?) a while back—if my memory is correct, it wasn’t hideously expensive (like about $500-$800 range I think.) I declined because I’m an “old” and didn’t think it would be worth my while.

i recently did a florida llc for about 300 total direct costs - no professional fees, including, in this case, county and town business tax registrations

and a single member llc (at the moment) doesnt have to file a separate return. its called a disregarded entity and is reported on the schedule c, like the unincorporated business before it

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dangerman  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:54:29pm

re: #29 Interesting Times

280 characters will be Trump’s downfall.

his actions will be his downfall

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Interesting Times  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:56:02pm

re: #30 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

We all keep saying that and it just keeps going on and on and getting worse every day.

Looking at the date stamp, I assumed McMullin is subtweeting Cheeto Benito’s latest FBI admission (I already know GOPers and the media bothsiderists will ignore it, but hopefully Mueller won’t).

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2017 • 12:59:55pm

re: #28 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

I don’t have that kind of money. I spent a long time trying to figure out how I was going to get insurance. Couldn’t afford anything on the market, or if I could afford it, I’d still be paying completely out of pocket for everything since the deductible was so high. I decided on going with COBRA which is in the middle of as far as cost of the premium from what I was looking at and I will still be able to use the insurance. It’s money I don’t have and it’s only for 18 months, but after I got back a suspicious chest CT scan and need another one in 3 months, I don’t really have a choice.

Damn, I feel terrible that you’re going through all that—which sounds a lot like “thoughts and prayers” but I will try to find out anything I can about the tax scam/sole proprietor stuff and get the info I find to you asap.

I can definitely relate (and agree how much it sucks.) Most of my career has been freelance, and I’ve always had really crappy, high deductible, doesn’t cover much of anything, private insurance. The only time I had decent insurance was during a long-term assignment where the company let me buy into their group policy—particularly fortunate because that was in effect when I had breast cancer.

The only advantage I’ve seen becoming an old has been getting Medicare—even with the Medi-gap policy and prescription policy added in, it’s still cheaper than the crap private insurance I used to have.

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JordanRules  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:00:45pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:01:25pm
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Interesting Times  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:05:30pm

What was that old cliché about dusky cookware accusing a certain appliance of being too dark…?

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:09:20pm

re: #34 BeachDem

Damn, I feel terrible that you’re going through all that—which sounds a lot like “thoughts and prayers” but I will try to find out anything I can about the tax scam/sole proprietor stuff and get the info I find to you asap.

I can definitely relate (and agree how much it sucks.) Most of my career has been freelance, and I’ve always had really crappy, high deductible, doesn’t cover much of anything, private insurance. The only time I had decent insurance was during a long-term assignment where the company let me buy into their group policy—particularly fortunate because that was in effect when I had breast cancer.

The only advantage I’ve seen becoming an old has been getting Medicare—even with the Medi-gap policy and prescription policy added in, it’s still cheaper than the crap private insurance I used to have.

Damn! I was fortunate that I was covered under my ex’s insurance, but I can’t be on it now. I feel the same way about Medicare, but I’m sure by the time I can use it, it will be all fucked up as well.

Thanks in advance for anything you may find that you post.

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JordanRules  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:09:25pm

Well shit.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:09:41pm
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A Mom Anon  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:11:15pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

This makes me want to throw things. Heavy things.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:12:13pm

Current mood

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:12:58pm

re: #42 Unshaken Defiance

Yes. Me too.

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BigPapa  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:13:08pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

Holy Shit

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:13:31pm

re: #41 A Mom Anon

This makes me want to throw things. Heavy things.

Makes me want to forward it to Mueller — only I don’t have a Twitter account, and anyway I expect he’s already seen it.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:13:57pm

re: #45 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Probably has.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:16:08pm

Talked to Mom today. She had brunch with a group of other ladies from their old neighborhood. They get together every month. My aunt is part of this group. Apparently she said something to the effect of “Thank God President Trump did something about taxes. It’s about time.” After she said that, complete silence from the other 8 at the table.

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BigPapa  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:16:13pm

That’s a serious admission. What else does Mueller have?

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:16:43pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

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Oh boy

On Dec. 29, a transition adviser to Mr. Trump, K. T. McFarland, wrote in an email to a colleague that sanctions announced hours before by the Obama administration in retaliation for Russian election meddling were aimed at discrediting Mr. Trump’s victory. The sanctions could also make it much harder for Mr. Trump to ease tensions with Russia, “which has just thrown the U.S.A. election to him,” she wrote in the emails obtained by The Times.

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wrenchwench  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:16:44pm

re: #42 Unshaken Defiance

Current mood

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I wish my mood looked that good. Nice photo!

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:16:56pm

re: #7 A Mom Anon

Not just directed at Charles, but I was wondering what it takes to get this fool arrested? Why is all of this mess not considered actual treason? Will Trump ever see the inside of a prison cell? I keep hearing you can’t charge a sitting President with any crime, is that right ? Even if he’s caught red handed? I really don’t know, anyone have insight on this?

Mueller can prosecute any federal crimes linked to the investigation. In theory, that could include legal action against the president. Rosenstein gave him a lot of latitude to conduct his investigation.

Whether or not he’ll be prosecuted is another question. I’d guess that Trump would agree to resign before it got to that - at which point, hopefully Schneiderman would be waiting to charge him with crimes as a citizen of New York State.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:17:09pm

re: #48 BigPapa

Probably more than The New York Times has.

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plansbandc  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:17:29pm

re: #48 BigPapa

I’m guessing a hell of a lot more since this was so casually thrown out there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:18:50pm

re: #21 A Mom Anon

So he could literally murder someone and still not be arrested for it? I get why the Office of POTUS would be protected to some degree, but if it’s obvious he’s committed felonies, and Congress doesn’t act, that’s it? I hate sounding dumb, but I don’t get why he’d be immune from the law just because Congress won’t act.

again, AFAIK, Congress would have to have him impeached and convicted

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wrenchwench  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:19:36pm

re: #47 GlutenFreeJesus

complete silence from the other 8 at the table.

This is how it’s done we do it.

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:20:07pm

re: #20 ObserverArt

But damn it…they got ‘er done!

No. As of today, they didn’t. They still have to go through reconciliation, and the nutjobs in the House could very well fuck that up as badly as they fucked up ACA repeal.

Not, Done. Yet.

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wrenchwench  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:21:13pm

re: #56 makeitstop

No. As of today, they didn’t. They still have to go through reconciliation, and the nutjobs in the House could very well fuck that up as badly as they fucked up ACA repeal.

Not, Done. Yet.

Edited the one above.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:24:49pm

re: #50 wrenchwench

Thanks much. From 2016, blackening a steel ingot mold. Raw propane as a silk dancer. Not sure if I was on the torch and LWC on the camera or vice versa.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:25:17pm

re: #56 makeitstop

No. As of today, they didn’t. They still have to go through reconciliation, and the nutjobs in the House could very well fuck that up as badly as they fucked up ACA repeal.

Not, Done. Yet.

they only want to reconcile with their donors and lobbyists, who were growing impatient with their minions

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:26:01pm

Oh god, read this article

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:27:35pm

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they only want to reconcile with their donors and lobbyists, who were growing impatient with their minions

Just like ACA repeal was a done deal, right?

Just like Virginia was lost beyond a shadow of a doubt, right?

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wrenchwench  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:28:00pm

re: #60 Stanley Sea

Oh god, read this article

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He does not know the meaning of ‘press secretary’.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:28:33pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

He does not know the meaning of ‘press secretary’.

haha

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mmmirele  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:31:31pm

Insurance approved my brother’s neck surgery (fusion of C5 and C6) yesterday afternoon, so he is having surgery on Monday afternoon. However, I was thinking that if the surgery didn’t come off as expected, I could spend my week dropping by the Phoenix offices of Sens. McCain and Flake and letting them know exactly how I feel about their votes on the tax bill.

And yeah, I’m planning on it. (My brother said to me—“you can go Monday morning, my surgery isn’t until 1:30.)

So, what are some pithy things I can put on a sign? One of my friends suggested TREASON’S GREETINGS but this tax bill isn’t explicitly treasonous. So looking for something besides a whole raft of four letter words that would get me arrested.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:32:09pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:33:49pm

re: #61 makeitstop

Just like ACA repeal was a done deal, right?

Just like Virginia was lost beyond a shadow of a doubt, right?

I am less optimistic about this. ACA was not about placating their donors, it was only about screwing working people. This is mostly about keeping the donors happy, screwing working people is just a side effect.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:34:29pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

This is how it’s done we do it.

Heh. If I were there, a loud “Are you kidding me with this shit right now?!” would have silenced the whole restaurant.

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:38:24pm

re: #66 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am less optimistic about this. ACA was not about placating their donors, it was only about screwing working people. This is mostly about keeping the donors happy, screwing working people is just a side effect.

Like a wise man once said, ‘That’s why they play the games.’

Maybe it’s because I’m an old man, but like allegro (I think?) said last night, I’ve got a highly developed ‘wait and see’ skill.

None of the players on the GOP side are as smart as they think they are. Not a one. I’ll continue to do what I can, knowing that stupid people who think they’re smart are always, always capable of committing a fatal error.

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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:41:54pm

re: #37 Interesting Times

What was that old cliché about dusky cookware accusing a certain appliance of being too dark…?

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Anyone have that comment Todd made a few years ago about it is not the media’s business to take a side in the news because they wouldn’t have guests or some such. That needs to be stuffed down Chuck throat.

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TedStriker  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:42:37pm

re: #67 GlutenFreeJesus

Heh. If I were there, a loud “Are you kidding me with this shit right now?!” would have silenced the whole restaurant.

The perfect scene for a needle being dragged across a record.

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mmmirele  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:44:32pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

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Quid pro quo? Inquiring minds and all that.

Plus, who’s leaking this stuff?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:45:01pm

re: #60 Stanley Sea

Oh god, read this article

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Brings a whole new meaning to Hot Pants!

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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:46:58pm

re: #56 makeitstop

No. As of today, they didn’t. They still have to go through reconciliation, and the nutjobs in the House could very well fuck that up as badly as they fucked up ACA repeal.

Not, Done. Yet.

Sorry, I was talking about the Senate and only in the context of last night. It’s just snark.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:53:24pm
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ericblair  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:53:40pm

re: #56 makeitstop

No. As of today, they didn’t. They still have to go through reconciliation, and the nutjobs in the House could very well fuck that up as badly as they fucked up ACA repeal.

Not, Done. Yet.

Aaaand, apparently the yam is busy flapping his yap and hopefully fucking things up:

President Trump on Saturday suggested for the first time that he would consider significant changes to the emerging tax overhaul plan, including setting the corporate tax rate at 22 percent — a rate higher than the level he had long demanded as the House and Senate crafted their legislation.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:56:06pm
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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:56:07pm

re: #75 ericblair

Aaaand, apparently the yam is busy flapping his yap and hopefully fucking things up:

Like I said, stupid people who think they’re smart…

The GOP is crawlin’ with ‘em.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:56:35pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:58:30pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

SMH

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JordanRules  Dec 2, 2017 • 1:58:37pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

What are you doing Politico?!?!

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:01:26pm

33%

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:01:30pm
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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:06:08pm

Let the competition for top bunk begin. From a really good article over at Slate:

The prisoner’s dilemma is a famous problem in prosecutions and in academic game theory. A prisoner (or more illustratively in this case, a defendant) knows if he holds out against making a deal, and if all his co-defendants in other jail cells also hold out, they will all go free. However, if he holds out and another defendant confesses and implicates him, he will get a much worse sentence. If everyone confesses, everyone gets something in between.

So, the dilemma here is whether to assume everyone is holding out or whether to assume someone else is confessing to get a better deal. Up until now, only a very small figure—Papadopoulos—had confessed, not enough to make any central figure rethink his assumptions.

But now that Flynn is cooperating with Mueller, all bets are off. Everyone knows the next few cooperators will get deals, but the later you cooperate, the worse deal you get. The last (and biggest) co-conspirators get no deals at all. Flynn’s deal could be a moment that breaks the silence, and opens the gates for others to cooperate with Mueller to get a deal while there are still deals on the table.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:07:37pm

I sure hope Mueller doesn’t take weekends off.

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:09:33pm

re: #84 Eclectic Cyborg

I sure hope Mueller doesn’t take weekends off.

His calendar doesn’t even have Saturday and Sunday listed.

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CleverToad  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:13:08pm

re: #64 mmmirele

Insurance approved my brother’s neck surgery (fusion of C5 and C6) yesterday afternoon, so he is having surgery on Monday afternoon. However, I was thinking that if the surgery didn’t come off as expected, I could spend my week dropping by the Phoenix offices of Sens. McCain and Flake and letting them know exactly how I feel about their votes on the tax bill.

And yeah, I’m planning on it. (My brother said to me—“you can go Monday morning, my surgery isn’t until 1:30.)

So, what are some pithy things I can put on a sign? One of my friends suggested TREASON’S GREETINGS but this tax bill isn’t explicitly treasonous. So looking for something besides a whole raft of four letter words that would get me arrested.

“Kochs = 1, America = 0 at halftime
The game isn’t over yet”

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:17:51pm
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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:21:08pm

Gonna need a bigger holding cell.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:22:23pm

(audio is very loud)

I like the refrain “Traitor!”

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CleverToad  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:25:48pm

re: #38 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Damn! I was fortunate that I was covered under my ex’s insurance, but I can’t be on it now. I feel the same way about Medicare, but I’m sure by the time I can use it, it will be all fucked up as well.

Thanks in advance for anything you may find that you post.

Check with your COBRA administrator. If you were covered under your spouse and lost coverage due to the divorce, you’re entitled as a Qualified Beneficiary to keep COBRA for up to 36 months, not 18. (If you and the spouse were both on COBRA and then divorced, it’s a second Qualifying Event and coverage can only extend to 36 months after the original start of COBRA. That gets complicated.) Make good and sure your admins have the right reason listed for loss of coverage, and the correct end date for your eligibility now, to save a possibly futile fight later.

(Worked in COBRA admin for 5 years. Been out of it for 2, but the gov website still shows the 36-month eligibility for death or divorce.)

Edit: With apologies in advance if you already know this, just going off your posts in this thread

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:27:14pm

re: #90 CleverToad

At this point you may get a fairer shake from the COBRA commander…

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ObserverArt  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:32:18pm

re: #89 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

(audio is very loud)

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I like the refrain “Traitor!”

Good to see. This has to be repeated everywhere Trump goes. It will help make him crazy.

Well, crazier.

Hopefully to the point of craziness it becomes obvious to all those needed to start the process to go with a 25th amendment solution. If we get that and Mueller all building and building it might pressurize congress to act.

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fern01  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:36:17pm

re: #1 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

I’m going to repost from the previous thread:

Does anyone here have any clue about this tax proposal and how it affects sole proprietors? I’m trying to figure out if I would still be able to deduct my business expenses from my gross income to get a net income. I’m also wondering if I’m going to be able to deduct my health insurance premiums which are outrageously high and that I simply cannot afford, but have to have anyway.

Should be asking this question to your senators and your rep - over and over - until you get an answer.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:37:47pm

re: #83 makeitstop

Let the competition for top bunk begin. From a really good article over at Slate:

Yep, first to squeal get the best deals.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:38:40pm

re: #84 Eclectic Cyborg

I sure hope Mueller doesn’t take weekends off.

He can if Trump keeps making it easier for him…

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:42:33pm

I always get tickled by the mental image of Cobb reading tweets like that and immediately spitting his coffee out. What he’s charging an hour to defend Trump, it’s obviously way too cheap.

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JordanRules  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:45:24pm

re: #96 Targetpractice

I don’t know…if he keeps busting out the Comic Sans for his public statements I’m tempted to think he might be over earning.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:47:01pm

The honest question is who isn’t crooked in this admin?

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:50:20pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

The honest question is who isn’t crooked in this admin?

It’s sort of sad that, so far, the only person who seems “clean” is Rinsed.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:51:45pm

re: #35 JordanRules

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Thank you, Madame President! Flip Congress next November. Flip the White House in 2020. Yes we can.

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fern01  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:55:26pm

re: #47 GlutenFreeJesus

Talked to Mom today. She had brunch with a group of other ladies from their old neighborhood. They get together every month. My aunt is part of this group. Apparently she said something to the effect of “Thank God President Trump did something about taxes. It’s about time.” After she said that, complete silence from the other 8 at the table.

They were so polite - I’d have told her about trump and his taxes and asked her to leave.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 2, 2017 • 2:58:59pm

re: #37 Interesting Times

What was that old cliché about dusky cookware accusing a certain appliance of being too dark…?

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Dang! When you’ve lost Chucky Toad, ….!!!

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BigPapa  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:00:13pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:00:13pm

re: #102 Patricia Kayden

Dang! When you’ve lost Chucky Toad, ….!!!

We’ll see on tomorrow’s Press The Meat if he lets Nancy talk about the tax bill…

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ipsos  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:02:39pm

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ipsos  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:03:22pm

re: #104 Joe Bacon 🌹

We’ll see on tomorrow’s Press The Meat if he lets Nancy talk about the tax bill…

In retrospect, that was an even bigger deal than it sounded like last Sunday.

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calochortus  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:04:59pm

re: #103 BigPapa

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Yeah, just one charge. Very lawyerly statement (no offense to any reputable lawyers.) The problem for the White House’s side of the story is that Flynn could have been charged with a whole lot more, so why wasn’t he? It’s not like he was some random, low level volunteer shooting off his mouth.

But so many people don’t bother with critical thinking.

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BigPapa  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:06:08pm

And this is crazy too. Sorta awesome, I commend the guy.. but that’s sad.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:08:16pm

re: #90 CleverToad

Check with your COBRA administrator. If you were covered under your spouse and lost coverage due to the divorce, you’re entitled as a Qualified Beneficiary to keep COBRA for up to 36 months, not 18. (If you and the spouse were both on COBRA and then divorced, it’s a second Qualifying Event and coverage can only extend to 36 months after the original start of COBRA. That gets complicated.) Make good and sure your admins have the right reason listed for loss of coverage, and the correct end date for your eligibility now, to save a possibly futile fight later.

(Worked in COBRA admin for 5 years. Been out of it for 2, but the gov website still shows the 36-month eligibility for death or divorce.)

Edit: With apologies in advance if you already know this, just going off your posts in this thread

I went in there thinking it was 36 months because I saw the word “divorce,” but then I read it again and it said that an extra 18 months could be added to the original 18 months if a divorce occurred during the first 18 months. That’s also what the COBRA person told me as well.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:09:11pm

re: #93 fern01

Should be asking this question to your senators and your rep - over and over - until you get an answer.

Yes, I’ll call Heller’s office on Monday and insist on an answer.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:10:46pm

re: #108 BigPapa

There are some divisions that do not have a judge of elections let alone anyone to sit on the election day board. I am not sure where the 21-10 is but if he won it by writing his name in he has it.

I followed the thread he is in Manayunk.

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VegasGolfer  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:15:09pm

dallasnews.com

Looks like families of the Tx church shooting are going to sue the Air Force. No mention of holding gun manufacturers or politicians who make obtaining guns easily obtainable accountable.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:16:50pm

re: #112 VegasGolfer

dallasnews.com

Looks like families of the Tx church shooting are going to sue the Air Force. No mention of holding gun manufacturers or politicians who make obtaining guns easily obtainable accountable.

I’d also like to remind everyone bump stocks are still 100% legal.

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:17:02pm

re: #107 calochortus

Yeah, just one charge. Very lawyerly statement (no offense to any reputable lawyers.) The problem for the White House’s side of the story is that Flynn could have been charged with a whole lot more, so why wasn’t he? It’s not like he was some random, low level volunteer shooting off his mouth.

But so many people don’t bother with critical thinking.

He must have spilled a couple of truckloads of beans They caught him in at least 4 instances of lying to the FBI as I understand it.

I also read somewhere that they could have not charged him with more than one count so they’d be able to try him again if the case went sideways.

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calochortus  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:19:02pm

That too.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:19:40pm

re: #109 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch
CleverToad:
Did I read it wrong? (Please, please tell me I read it wrong!)

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:20:36pm

re: #114 makeitstop

He must have spilled a couple of truckloads of beans They caught him in at least 4 instances of lying to the FBI as I understand it.

I also read somewhere that they could have not charged him with more than one count so they’d be able to try him again if the case went sideways.

Yup

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:24:37pm

re: #114 makeitstop

He must have spilled a couple of truckloads of beans They caught him in at least 4 instances of lying to the FBI as I understand it.

I also read somewhere that they could have not charged him with more than one count so they’d be able to try him again if the case went sideways.

Smirconish today said if they had more on Flynn they’d have charged him with it and this is very bad news for Mueller.

In other news Smirconish is a fucking idiot who doesn’t understand how plea deals work.

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BigPapa  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:25:42pm

Lies on top of lies on top of lies. Trump’s lawyer tweets for Trump but it sure reads like Trump. Amazing that anyone would believe this but it’s the only spin they have.

Trump on Michael Flynn’s guilty plea: It’s a ‘shame’ because he had ‘nothing to hide’

Trump’s lawyer John Dowd drafted the president’s tweet, according to two people familiar with the twitter message. Its authorship could reduce how significantly it communicates anything about when the president knew that Flynn had lied to the FBI, but also raises questions about the public relations strategy of the president’s chief lawyer. Two people close to the administration described the tweet simply as sloppy and unfortunate.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:27:39pm

They just showed Hair Furor answering a few questions and he looks even more horrible than he typically does, huge dark bags under his eyes

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Cheechako  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:28:03pm

re: #119 BigPapa

Fuck WP and their paywall!!!

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:29:15pm

re: #121 Cheechako

Fuck WP and their paywall!!!

Bezos needs money!

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:31:07pm

re: #119 BigPapa

Lies on top of lies on top of lies. Trump’s lawyer tweets for Trump but it sure reads like Trump. Amazing that anyone would believe this but it’s the only spin they have.

Trump on Michael Flynn’s guilty plea: It’s a ‘shame’ because he had ‘nothing to hide’

Whatevs

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Cheechako  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:31:59pm

re: #121 Cheechako

Fuck WP and their paywall!!!

Fortunately the Anchorage Daily News re-posts many WP stories so I may get to read it later.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:32:41pm

re: #119 BigPapa

Lies on top of lies on top of lies. Trump’s lawyer tweets for Trump but it sure reads like Trump. Amazing that anyone would believe this but it’s the only spin they have.

Trump on Michael Flynn’s guilty plea: It’s a ‘shame’ because he had ‘nothing to hide’

lol, Dowd drafted that tweet? Right………he writes all of the ones that get Trump in trouble.

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:34:00pm

re: #120 bill d. (b.d.)

They just showed Hair Furor answering a few questions and he looks even more horrible than he typically does, huge dark bags under his eyes

I sincerely hope he got no sleep whatsoever last night. And tonight, and every night for the rest of his life.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:34:09pm

re: #121 Cheechako

Fuck WP and their paywall!!!

There’s a pretty easy workaround. Just delete your local cache of website data associated with washingtonpost.com

In Safari it’s: Preferences -> Privacy -> type “was” in the search field -> click on washingtonpost.com -> click the Remove button.

Boom, your allotment of free articles just got reset.

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:35:38pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

There’s a pretty easy workaround. Just delete your local cache of website data associated with washingtonpost.com

In Safari it’s: Preferences -> Privacy -> type “was” in the search field -> click on washingtonpost.com -> click the Remove button.

Boom, your allotment of free articles just got reset.

They won’t let me read shit because I run an ad blocker.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:36:26pm

re: #128 makeitstop

They won’t let me read shit because I run an ad blocker.

You should stop being worse than Hitler.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:38:14pm

Okay, fucking seriously? The tweet that reads like a confession was drafted by a lawyer?

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:38:32pm

Man, remember in the early 90’s when people were all militantly against commercialization of the internet.

In retrospect that’s pretty funny.

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BigPapa  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:39:50pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

Okay, fucking seriously? The tweet that reads like a confession was drafted by a lawyer?

What kind of lawyer would draft something like that or allow it to be released? That’s worse than press releases in comic sans.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:40:42pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

Man, remember in the early 90’s when people were all militantly against commercialization of the internet.

In retrospect that’s pretty funny.

I suspect that, in half the time, we’ll be looking back on today as a period of relative “freedom” compared to what ISPs have planned in the absence of Net Neutrality.

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:42:53pm

re: #114 makeitstop

He must have spilled a couple of truckloads of beans They caught him in at least 4 instances of lying to the FBI as I understand it.

I also read somewhere that they could have not charged him with more than one count so they’d be able to try him again if the case went sideways.

That’s pretty much what Rachel was saying last night—that they have a slew of charges they’re probably holding back, both in case it goes sideways, or if the yam decides to pardon him on the one count, they can come back with a whole lot of others.

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BigPapa  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:43:30pm

Remember the Saturday Night Massacre? This could the Saturday Self Immolation. You can’t make this stuff up.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:46:28pm

re: #132 BigPapa

What kind of lawyer would draft something like that or allow it to be released? That’s worse than press releases in comic sans.

[trump] Your honor, my lawyer is an idiot…but that’s ok because I wasn’t going to pay him anyways [/trump]

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:48:32pm

re: #135 BigPapa

I came close to that yesterday. littlegreenfootballs.com

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:48:52pm

re: #134 BeachDem

That’s pretty much what Rachel was saying last night—that they have a slew of charges they’re probably holding back, both in case it goes sideways, or if the yam decides to pardon him on the one count, they can come back with a whole lot of others.

Also—she and Lawrence both pointed out that Flynn is going to want to protect his “charming” son as well, so there’s a whole lot that Mueller is probably keeping close to his vest. Let the yam and his ridiculous lawyers run their mouths (in Comic Sans, no less) and let Mueller just nod his head and smile as they continue to implicate themselves further.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:49:15pm

re: #135 BigPapa

Remember the Saturday Night Massacre? This could the Saturday Self Immolation. You can’t make this stuff up.

I never knew Trump was Buddhist.

/yeah, I’m going to Hell for that one…

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Interesting Times  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:49:15pm

I agree with one of the replies - there’s something weirdly calming about this thread (and you have to click through to get the full effect):

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BigPapa  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:50:57pm

re: #139 Targetpractice

I never knew Trump was Buddhist.

/yeah, I’m going to Hell for that one…

Downding for being horrible. But I gave it two Updings for being hilarious.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:51:41pm

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:52:55pm

re: #142 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

rofl. That was a good one.

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:53:41pm

re: #140 Interesting Times

I agree with one of the replies - there’s something weirdly calming about this thread (and you have to click through to get the full effect):

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Skip Intro  Dec 2, 2017 • 3:57:09pm

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A Mom Anon  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:01:06pm

re: #145 Skip Intro

I see hope she sold her soul for a halfway decent price, seeing as how she’s got kids to feed and all that…

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:06:55pm

re: #108 BigPapa

And this is crazy too. Sorta awesome, I commend the guy.. but that’s sad.

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Almost how I got voted into Inspector of Elections (I was actually appointed to Judge since it was vacant and I was the only elected officer available). No one running for the position so I wrote my name in. I told my wife about it on our way home and she said I should have told her, but it was a spur of the moment thing. Ended up a tie with another person (whom I know, and that’s another story) who wrote their name in. I won at a later date by the blind selections of numbered balls from a pouch at the courthouse assembly room. That is how elections ties are settled around here.

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:07:46pm
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TedStriker  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:09:00pm

re: #142 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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*groan*

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plansbandc  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:09:56pm

re: #142 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Ooh boy.

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meteor  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:10:23pm
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Interesting Times  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:14:12pm

Oy…I was afraid of this -_-

…and from the replies:

All right, then - given that the MSM is utter bothsiderist garbage, what can Dems do in spite of this to combat the perceptions above? In addition to the bothsiderist media and the conservative cult, the other big impediment to Democratic wins is the ever-so-easily dispirited and demotivated element of the Dem base…

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:15:33pm

re: #116 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Been a while since I’ve done COBRA cases, but here’s a link I found about it:

cobraplan.com

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:17:19pm

re: #152 Interesting Times

Oy…I was afraid of this -_-

All right, then - given that the MSM is utter bothsiderist garbage, what can Dems do in spite of this to combat the perceptions above? In addition to the bothsiderist media and the conservative cult, the other big impediment to Democratic wins is the ever-so-easily dispirited and demotivated element of the Dem base…

They block access to the Senate and then what happens?

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:18:23pm

re: #152 Interesting Times

Oy…I was afraid of this -_-

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All right, then - given that the MSM is utter bothsiderist garbage, what can Dems do in spite of this to combat the perceptions above? In addition to the bothsiderist media and the conservative cult, the other big impediment to Democratic wins is the ever-so-easily dispirited and demotivated element of the Dem base…

It’s shit like this that makes it easy to characterize the far-left as anarchists, when their only answer to democracy not going in their favor is just to prevent democracy from working at all.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:19:15pm

re: #155 Targetpractice

It’s shit like this that makes it easy to characterize the far-left as anarchists, when their only answer to democracy not going in their favor is just to prevent democracy from working at all.

Yes.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:20:24pm

re: #152 Interesting Times

The only serious complaint I’ve seen is moar procedural delays wanted . Not much else they could have done, I think. Schemer is just reminding us of the Good Old Days when the parties worked out compromises on issues.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:20:42pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

They block access to the Senate and then what happens?

The vote still happens, the question is whether it happens after Democrats give up and go home…or they’re hauled off by the Capital Police.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:21:11pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

The vote still happens, the question is whether it happens after Democrats give up and go home…or they’re hauled off by the Capital Police.

Exactly which is why this is stupid.

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Teukka  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:26:26pm
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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:27:27pm

Another reason to hate the tax bill, courtesy of Rude Pundit:

The bill would fuck Puerto Rico like a cat in heat covered in kibble and catnip tossed into the pound. Yeah, both versions propose “a 20 percent excise tax on goods imported from Puerto Rico to the mainland United States.” Both the mayor of San Juan and Puerto Rico’s governor have said that it would be another roundhouse kick to the face of the island that is, despite Trump’s best efforts, still in existence and still part of the US.

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Skip Intro  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:28:15pm
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Interesting Times  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:29:53pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

The vote still happens, the question is whether it happens after Democrats give up and go home…or they’re hauled off by the Capital Police.

In all seriousness, I had someone tell me (who’s one of those left-leaning but apathetic/cynical voters) that the Dems needed to do something just like that to prove they “took a stand” (this was earlier in the year, and I don’t recall exactly what the issue was, but he was angry at Elizabeth Warren for telling people to call instead of doing something herself…I don’t remember his exact words but it was something to that effect).

There’s also the shallow, whizz-bang, “durr hurr nuance schuance” aspect of the American psyche where unless it’s something loud and showy and in-your-face, it doesn’t exist. That’s one reason (aside from voter suppression) that election turnout tends to be so miserably pathetic compared to other countries.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:30:07pm

Remember the House Dem sit-in last year? When they declared that they would sit on the floor of the House until Ryan agreed to let gun control measures come to a vote? It didn’t succeed because the House Reps just turned off the cameras and went home, waiting out the Dems before pushing forward as if nothing had happened. The GOP even got a boost by declaring that it was a violation of “regular order.”

So when one of our biggest talking points about this tax bill is the violation of “regular order,” how would barring the doors and refusing to allow a vote help that?

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:32:23pm

White House: Trump’s tweets are ‘official statements’


cnn.com

Bunch of Einsteins.

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Cheechako  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:32:53pm

re: #134 BeachDem

That’s pretty much what Rachel was saying last night—that they have a slew of charges they’re probably holding back, both in case it goes sideways, or if the yam decides to pardon him on the one count, they can come back with a whole lot of others.

Rachel was also wondering why trump was spending the hugh effort in defending Flynn.

That’s an easy question….Flynn has the pee tape. Putin gave it to him during that fancy dinner.

/// (maybe)

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:33:51pm

re: #160 Teukka

Did this get posted already?

Florida ManPossum breaks into liquor store, gets drunk

If I lived in Florida, I’d probably drink too.

/apologies to Floridian Lizards

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Skip Intro  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:35:23pm

Sure, maybe the GOP will dump trump after their big raid the treasury win, but even better would be for Putin do it because trump no longer has any value to him. That would be fantastic.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:37:30pm

re: #148 jaunte

What Ted Lieu said, along with “titter is the official word of dumb-ass” should make whomever drafted that tweet irrelevant. If that’s the defense, nothing said on the platform would ever have any legal standing.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:39:31pm

re: #169 Colère Tueur de Lapin

What Ted Lieu said, along with “titter is the official word of dumb-ass” should make whomever drafted that tweet irrelevant. If that’s the defense, nothing said on the platform would ever have any legal standing.

Trump doesn’t write that crap the put on his teleprompter either but the second he says it out loud he owns it…..same thing.

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Interesting Times  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:46:33pm

re: #164 Targetpractice

So when one of our biggest talking points about this tax bill is the violation of “regular order,” how would barring the doors and refusing to allow a vote help that?

Here’s the thing, though - does the average American voter know what “regular order” is or give even a fraction of a shit about it? No. They WILL care about losing tax deductions they depend on, however. So…if nothing else, the Dems need a SIMPLE message of “We did everything we could to stop this horrible bill but there weren’t enough of us - elect [Dem challenger here] so we can repeal the GOP Tax Scam and replace it with a plan that benefits YOU.”

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calochortus  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:47:09pm

Totally OT. My photos are a mess. And there aren’t all that many of them. If I were setting up Apples “Photos” (the successor to iPhoto) I wouldn’t have done it quite like they did. I now have a project! Sorting this stuff out into albums and getting it all labeled. And promise I’ll do better in the future.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:47:43pm

good grief

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Interesting Times  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:48:12pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:53:12pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:53:58pm

re: #39 JordanRules

Well shit.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 4:58:35pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:00:00pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

Smirconish today said if they had more on Flynn they’d have charged him with it and this is very bad news for Mueller.

In other news Smirconish is a fucking idiot who doesn’t understand how plea deals work.

Literally every other qualified person is saying the exact opposite—even Napolitano.

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plansbandc  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:00:50pm

re: #177 Stanley Sea

We really are being led off a fucking cliff by morons.

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:01:57pm

GOP jobs program for robots.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:08:30pm

re: #180 jaunte

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GOP jobs program for robots.

It’ll give workers more time to spend with their guns and grievances.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:15:41pm
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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:17:24pm
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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:18:28pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:20:51pm
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JordanRules  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:21:26pm

re: #184 makeitstop

How about they “claim” the lawyer wrote it?
We can’t take them at their word CBS!

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Kilroy was here  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:22:16pm

re: #185 Stanley Sea

Pay per view it… It could help lower the deficit.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:23:35pm

Your client has just admitted on a social media platform that is viewable across the globe that he engaged in obstruction of justice. Do you:

A) Blame the tweet on a “hack” and claim that your client is totally innocent of what was said

B) Blame a random “staffer” for the tweet and have him terminated immediately

C) Play upon your client’s known history of spouting lies to suggest that this was just him telling a “joke”

D) Release a statement that the tweet was drafted by you and is no way a confession, even though a layman can conclude just from reading it that your client has admitted to knowingly obstructing justice by firing the lead investigator

If you answered “D”, congratulations on your disbarment.

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:25:26pm

re: #188 Targetpractice

A) Blame the tweet on a “hack”

…that was his client.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:25:47pm

re: #184 makeitstop

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LOL

Earlier Saturday, Mr. Trump told reporters that there was “no collusion, no collusion” with Russia.

“There’s been absolutely no collusion, so we’re very happy,” he said from the White House South Lawn before departing for New York.

No collusion = Very Happy!

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Skip Intro  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:26:42pm

Like everyone else trump hires, the only thing trump cares about in lawyers is their personal loyalty to him.

This is a very good thing for the rest of us..

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:27:07pm
Earlier Saturday, Mr. Trump told reporters that there was “no collusion, no collusion” with Russia.

No puppet, no puppet; twice is for believing me, believing me.”

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:27:43pm

re: #186 JordanRules

How about they “claim” the lawyer wrote it?
We can’t take them at their word CBS!

They claim the lawyer drafted it.

Maybe he gave Trump a reasonably sane draft, but then Trump ran it through the Crazy Asshole translator and ran with it.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:29:42pm

re: #193 makeitstop

They claim the lawyer drafted it.

Maybe he gave Trump a reasonably sane draft, but then Trump ran it through the Crazy Asshole translator and ran with it.

Dowd was the principle wordsmith for the tweet, and it’s unclear whether Mr. Trump saw the final version, sources said. The president was in between fundraisers in New York when the tweet was sent from an iPhone.

Doesn’t Donnie use an Andorid?

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JordanRules  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:30:47pm

re: #193 makeitstop

Oh yes! That’s very plausible. Didn’t they do that with the Comey firing memo, but unlike the Tweet, they were able to stop the Dotard version from going out?

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:30:56pm

Melania’s expression doesn’t change much, but I believe she’s human.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:32:30pm

Guys, if I ever get in trouble remind me never to hire John Dowd.

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JordanRules  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:32:47pm

re: #196 jaunte

I’m not so sure.
Melon wears coats inside a lot and doesn’t seem to know what the arm holes are for. Sophia-esque!

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:37:59pm
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CleverToad  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:39:33pm

re: #109 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

I went in there thinking it was 36 months because I saw the word “divorce,” but then I read it again and it said that an extra 18 months could be added to the original 18 months if a divorce occurred during the first 18 months. That’s also what the COBRA person told me as well.

Sorry for the belated reply! Also apologies if someone else already answered down thread, I’ve been dealing with my mom and just got back on.

Look at your original COBRA paperwork. It should list the Qualifying Event and length of eligibility.
1) Your ex-spouse is an active employee who had you covered under his plan as of the date of the divorce. You lose coverage because of the divorce. Your Qualifying Event should be listed on the paperwork as DIVORCE, and you ARE eligible for 36 months. (Ditto covered children if he drops them at the same time.)

2) Your spouse is an ex-employee who carried you on his COBRA plan. The original Qualifying Event is the end of his employment. You divorce during the 18 months of his original eligibility, and lose COBRA coverage. That is a Second Qualifying Event, that lets you elect COBRA in your own name, and keep it for up to 36 months from the original Qualifying Event (not 18 months from the divorce itself, in this case. Told ya it was complicated.)

3) Ex-spouse goes onto Medicare any time within COBRA eligibility — that one gets really complicated, so I won’t go into detail if it doesn’t apply.

If this is Case 1) make sure your paperwork says DIVORCE and talk to whoever is administering COBRA for your ex-spouse’s company. Sometimes if it’s self-administered the HR person may not be really familiar with COBRA law.

Let me know if that’s confusing?

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:39:54pm

re: #199 Stanley Sea

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Because when your opposition has just announced they have an ICBM capable of hitting your capital city, the wisest strategy is to provoke them into using it.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:43:04pm

re: #191 Skip Intro

Like everyone else trump hires, the only thing trump cares about in lawyers is their personal loyalty to him.

This is a very good thing for the rest of us..

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:44:45pm

re: #199 Stanley Sea

Don’t panic. Just FYI, six U.S. Air Force F-22 Raptor stealth fighters have arrived in S. Korea to stage simulated attacks on mock N. Korean nuclear and missile targets and transporter erector launchers that move the North’s missiles.

Yunno the really neat thing about stealth technology warplanes? NOBODY IS SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.

Was I yelling? Oh. Excuse me.

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JordanRules  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:46:04pm

re: #202 Stanley Sea

Woooo!!!!! Dream Team!!

What a ball of litigious hot garbage.

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jamesfirecat  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:46:28pm

re: #203 Decatur Deb

Yunno the really neat thing about stealth technology warplanes? NOBODY IS SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.

Was I yelling? Oh. Excuse me.

Relax, they’re like invisible so even if North Korea knows where they should be, they still won’t be able to see them!

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:47:13pm

re: #204 JordanRules

Woooo!!!!! Dream Team!!

What a ball of litigious hot garbage.

No idea about the black eyes & don’t feel like finding out.

Yet

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plansbandc  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:47:30pm

re: #204 JordanRules

Hot garbage representation for the piece of rotting human garbage so called President. Rather fitting.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:48:15pm

re: #202 Stanley Sea

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This is a legal team that works when you’re trying to stomp some nobody company into the ground, not when you’re trying to stop a career investigator and litigator from putting your ass in Club Fed until the prison rots for high crimes.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:48:48pm

re: #205 jamesfirecat

Relax, they’re like invisible even if North Korea knows where they should be, they still won’t be able to see them!

Just fuck me with a SAM-6.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:54:48pm

re: #185 Stanley Sea

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Isn’t Drudge a Trump supporter. Odd tweet. We all know how disastrous Mueller’s interrogation of Trump will be — for Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2017 • 5:56:35pm
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JordanRules  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:00:07pm

re: #208 Targetpractice

Indeed. Revealing, once again, the horrendous regime vaulted into power. The incompetence works for the ‘burn it down’ sect of the swamp. It may help save us.

Their audacity is something to behold. Dangerous.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:05:52pm

We all remember how the F-117 was supposedly invulnerable because it was “invisible” to radar…right up until the Serbs shot one down. Then the USAF tried to brush the whole thing off as the Nighthawk being “outdated” and the downing as a “lucky shot,” but it’s hard to win back the idea that stealth aircraft are “invisible” when a SAM-3 blows one out of the sky.

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Cheechako  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:09:37pm

re: #213 Targetpractice

We all remember how the F-117 was supposedly invulnerable because it was “invisible” to radar…right up until the Serbs shot one down. Then the USAF tried to brush the whole thing off as the Nighthawk being “outdated” and the downing as a “lucky shot,” but it’s hard to win back the idea that stealth aircraft are “invisible” when a SAM-3 blows one out of the sky.

Lucky shot. The plane accidentally flew into the flight path of the SAM-3.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:10:15pm

re: #213 Targetpractice

If you know where they are, and you know where they’re going, it makes the problem a little more tractable.

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JordanRules  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:10:34pm

Reminding us how bad the nat sec implications are as more details are confirmed.

And it continues. SMH

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:10:41pm
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Ace Rothstein  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:13:18pm

re: #217 jaunte

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What the fuck is he on about?

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:14:13pm

re: #200 CleverToad

Here’s the text of that section of the COBRA paperwork:

re: #200 CleverToad

Here’s the relevant section on my COBRA paperwork:

“Another extension of the original 18-month (or 29-month, if applicable) continuation period can occur if, during the 18 months or 29 months of continuation coverage, a second qualifying event takes place (divorce, legal separation, death, Medicare entitlement, or dependent child ceasing to be a dependent). If a second qualifying event occurs, then the 18 months of continuation coverage will be extended to 36 months from the date of the original qualifying event for the qualifying beneficiary, spouse, and/or dependent child. If a second qualifying event occurs, it is the qualified beneficiary’s responsibility to notify the Trust in writing within 60 days of the second qualifying event and within the original 18-month or 29-month COBRA period. In no event, however, will continuation of coverage extend beyond three years from the date of the event that originally made the qualified beneficiary eligible for continuation coverage.”

Since we got divorced and then I got the COBRA coverage, I’m reading it that I don’t have any secondary events to qualify for that additional 18 months.

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TedStriker  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:14:42pm

re: #214 Cheechako

Lucky shot. The plane accidentally flew into the flight path of the SAM-3.

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re: #215 Decatur Deb

If you know where they are, and you know where they’re going, it makes the problem a little more tractable.

re: #213 Targetpractice

We all remember how the F-117 was supposedly invulnerable because it was “invisible” to radar…right up until the Serbs shot one down. Then the USAF tried to brush the whole thing off as the Nighthawk being “outdated” and the downing as a “lucky shot,” but it’s hard to win back the idea that stealth aircraft are “invisible” when a SAM-3 blows one out of the sky.

Close enough only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, nuclear weapons…and SAMs.

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:14:46pm

re: #218 Ace Rothstein

I’m not watching Fox, but they must be running something on Hillary.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:16:07pm

re: #218 Ace Rothstein

What the fuck is he on about?

The usual “Whataboutism” that has become the White House’s only defense, defaulting to Hillary Clinton whenever another shoe drops.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:16:48pm

He’s on a roll!

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Schweppes7  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:17:02pm

Oh my god he is tweeting about her fucking emails again…..

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:18:23pm

re: #223 Ace Rothstein

He’s on a roll!

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He’s getting no justice!! I would quit in protest.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:19:00pm

re: #223 Ace Rothstein

He is a one trick pony. All he knows is to point his tiny finger at Hillary and say she is the problem.

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:19:02pm

He shouldn’t have eaten the brown acid.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:19:17pm

He’s in a bathrobe, his wife & child are on another floor or something.

He’s a fucking mess & I like it.

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Cheechako  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:19:56pm

re: #223 Ace Rothstein

donald….Hillary’s emails are so last year.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:20:15pm

re: #223 Ace Rothstein

He’s on a roll!

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He says this with a straight face while Jared is about to dragged before Congress yet again to explain why he’s stonewalling on turning over emails and documents that they know he has in his possession.

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A Cranky One  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:21:34pm

“acid washed” 33,000 Emails

The so-called President is a fucking idiot.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:21:36pm

Points for the President!! At least he isn’t trying to hide his spiralling descent into madness

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JordanRules  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:21:46pm

re: #218 Ace Rothstein

Hitting the Hillary Pavlov bell in coordination with the Fox Alt Nazi criminal org. Also in coordination with being alone, crazy and a fraud.

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:22:03pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:22:38pm

Thing is, I fully expect the Sunday shows to spend time tomorrow quasi-defending Flynn by suggesting Hillary “got away” with lying to the FBI over her emails.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:23:00pm

re: #231 A Cranky One

“acid washed” 33,000 Emails

The so-called President is a fucking idiot.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:24:44pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:24:53pm

Another great entrepreneurial opportunity squelched by PC do-gooders:
Snopes: Did Tokyo Open the First Human Meat Restaurant?

Reports that a new restaurant recently opened in Japan is the first in the world to legally offer human meat to diners are fake news..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:24:55pm

meanwhile in Kentucky:

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:25:03pm
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Ace Rothstein  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:25:36pm

re: #235 Targetpractice

Maybe Pelosi will get five seconds of Upchuck’s time to talk about the tax apocalypse.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:27:44pm

The White House again can’t decide on what lie they’re going to tell. One moment it’s “Flynn is a lying liar who lies!” The next, it’s that the man was railroaded and the “real” criminal is Hillary.

By the way, were these tweets also drafted by Donny’s lawyers?

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:31:05pm
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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:32:51pm

Many people = Donald Trump

Some say = Donald Trump

They say = Donald Trump

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teleskiguy  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:33:27pm
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Ace Rothstein  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:34:06pm
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A Cranky One  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:34:23pm

re: #236 Stanley Sea

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Personally I recommend using hydrogen peroxide and lemon juice to wash your emails. Leaves the 1’s sparkly bright and the 0’s will have a nice lemon scent. More environmentally friendly as well.

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CleverToad  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:35:37pm

re: #219 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Here’s the text of that section of the COBRA paperwork:

Here’s the relevant section on my COBRA paperwork:

“Another extension of the original 18-month (or 29-month, if applicable) continuation period can occur if, during the 18 months or 29 months of continuation coverage, a second qualifying event takes place (divorce, legal separation, death, Medicare entitlement, or dependent child ceasing to be a dependent). If a second qualifying event occurs, then the 18 months of continuation coverage will be extended to 36 months from the date of the original qualifying event for the qualifying beneficiary, spouse, and/or dependent child. If a second qualifying event occurs, it is the qualified beneficiary’s responsibility to notify the Trust in writing within 60 days of the second qualifying event and within the original 18-month or 29-month COBRA period. In no event, however, will continuation of coverage extend beyond three years from the date of the event that originally made the qualified beneficiary eligible for continuation coverage.”

Since we got divorced and then I got the COBRA coverage, I’m reading it that I don’t have any secondary events to qualify for that additional 18 months.

Correct, if a spouse gets COBRA because they divorced an active, there’s no 18 month extension because they get the maximum 36-month eligibility to start with.

The really relevant section is the part that lists your personal Qualifying Event reason, Qualifying Event Date, and the end of your particular eligibility as determined by the Event reason. If your paperwork doesn’t say flat out that you ARE eligible for 36 months, get hold of the admin pronto.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:36:32pm

re: #238 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Another great entrepreneurial opportunity squelched by PC do-gooders:
Snopes: Did Tokyo Open the First Human Meat Restaurant?

Expect to see a new attempt at this kind of cuisine in one of the upcoming Galt’s Gulch free enterprise zones. After all, Republicans have a history of resistance to this kind of regulatory overreach, as shown by the career of the noted Republican cannibal Alferd Packer. At his first trial he was reportedly excoriated by the judge for eating 5 of the 7 Democrats in Hinsdale County. Alas, the speech calling him a “voracious man-eating son of a bitch” and “you Republican cannibal” is apparently a fabrication, but it is a fact that there are still very few Democrats in Hinsdale County Colorado.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:36:41pm

re: #246 Ace Rothstein

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When the agenda is tax cuts or war spending, there’s always money in the coffers or remaining balance on the credit card. But as soon as the agenda is healthcare or welfare, we’re suddenly a nation of paupers who don’t have two pennies to rub together.

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:36:51pm

re: #236 Stanley Sea

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Heh

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bratwurst  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:36:54pm
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jaunte  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:38:37pm

re: #252 bratwurst

Comms strategist. Blunt (‘16). Walker (‘12-‘15). Rand Paul (‘13). Perry (‘12) Fiorina (‘10)

So, she’s the kind of strategist that brags about going 0 and 6.

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plansbandc  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:40:09pm

I love how you all point out the idiots for me to block.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:40:17pm

re: #253 jaunte

So, she’s the kind of strategist that brags about going 0 and 6.

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:41:24pm

“Inadequate ability to criticize the bill on the substance” because no one had time to read it.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:41:27pm

re: #248 CleverToad

Correct, if a spouse gets COBRA because they divorced an active, there’s no 18 month extension because they get the maximum 36-month eligibility to start with.

The really relevant section is the part that lists your personal Qualifying Event reason, Qualifying Event Date, and the end of your particular eligibility as determined by the Event reason. If your paperwork doesn’t say flat out that you ARE eligible for 36 months, get hold of the admin pronto.

My paperwork does not say 36 months. Do you happen to have a link to the law that I can show them where they are wrong?

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BigPapa  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:42:34pm

December 2, 2017: the day ‘but Obama/Hillary colluded with the Russians!’ died.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:42:46pm

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:44:40pm

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:45:17pm

I’ll criticize the bill on its substance the moment a Republican Senator can step forward and walk me through all 479 pages, including the shit written in the margins, and explain it to me without asking for help from his staff. And I don’t mean giving me some cheat sheet “This is what the bill does” BS, I mean can actually walk me through the text itself.

This “substance” bullshit is always the talking point when Republicans want you to ignore how they cornholed you without lube because “Party uber allies.”

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BigPapa  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:46:53pm

Keeping score:

Nothing to do with the Russians
But Obama and Hillary colluded with the Russians
No Russian collusion
Top NSA guy negotiating with the Russian to help the ISIS thing but he was lying and alone
Whassamatta with trying to get along with the Russians?
There’s nothing wrong with talking to the Russians (even though we all lied about it)

I think that’s about half of it.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:47:53pm

re: #248 CleverToad

Under Q11, it looks like they HAVE to provide me with 36 months, that they don’t have any other option. Is that the way you read it?

Link

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:50:22pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:52:52pm

re: #264 Charles Johnson

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Personally, what I consider a fucking travesty about this shit is that ABC suspended Brian Ross for attributing the orders to Donny instead of Jared. Meanwhile, nobody was suspended at the NYT over the “No signs of Russian collusion” story published 8 days before the election last year.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:53:32pm

re: #248 CleverToad

I really appreciate your help on this. It looks to me like they took the COBRA guidelines and mucked them up on their paperwork. I’ll check back to tomorrow to see what you had to say about it, but I’m off to bed now. Thank you again so much!

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nowherenorth2  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:54:00pm

Marcia Marcia Marcia….

Sorry people, but thats all I could hear our of trumps mouth

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:54:13pm
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BigPapa  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:55:12pm

Ross screwed up but 4 weeks seems over the top. I think ABC is over reacting.

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JordanRules  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:55:26pm

re: #265 Targetpractice

Excellent memory.

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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:56:05pm

re: #264 Charles Johnson

About the Brian Ross bit, Drift Glass tells it.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:56:12pm

Trump really is pathetic.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:56:23pm
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Ace Rothstein  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:56:41pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:58:33pm

re: #269 BigPapa

Hannity got two days for his Seth Rich bullshit and Fox called it a preplanned vacation.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:58:35pm

How many times have Trump’s asshole friends on FNC completely gotten something wrong with the wrong images or wrong people and no one has been punished at all. And I bet Ross will be proven correct too.

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Skip Intro  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:59:31pm

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Every time

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:59:45pm

re: #277 Skip Intro

Every time

Exactly.

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BigPapa  Dec 2, 2017 • 6:59:47pm

Oh, and on that other little thing going on:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:01:28pm

re: #279 BigPapa

Oh, and on that other little thing going on:

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You gotta love how Trump railed against Washington repeatedly to get elected and now his only real accomplishment is going to be the most Washington thing ever produced.

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BigPapa  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:02:23pm

6000 lobbyists? Swamp: overflowing.

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bratwurst  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:03:04pm

re: #276 HappyWarrior

How many times have Trump’s asshole friends on FNC completely gotten something wrong with the wrong images or wrong people and no one has been punished at all. And I bet Ross will be proven correct too.

At least they aren’t doing this kind of thing so much anymore:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:04:31pm
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The Major  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:05:47pm

This is truly “You can’t make this shit up” territory:
POLITICO: FCC official retires amid complaints about porn viewing

A senior FCC official quietly retired this year after allegations surfaced that he had used his work computer to view pornography, the latest in a series of porn-viewing incidents that agency investigators have uncovered in the past two years.

An investigation that began in January found “pornographic and inappropriate images” indicating the employee used his FCC-issued computer and the agency’s network in violation of commission policy, according to a new report from the FCC’s office of inspector general.

The employee, who is not identified, retired from his senior level position in June, the report said. The document says he worked at the GS-15 level, which earns as much as $161,900 a year.

Whoever runs the FCC’s Network Security should have been sacked as well - I mean…

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:05:48pm

re: #268 Charles Johnson

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No one was ever suspended due to fuck ups against the Clinton’s. saw a thread earlier in reference, cant locate.

Thing is, he scared the fuck out of the media with first, his attacks, then “fake news”

Dictator shit.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:06:14pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

It will.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:06:48pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s the point. His buddy Bibi needs pressure taken off him, so provoking a new wave of violence that can be used to drown out the corruption investigations and present Bibi as the “defender of the faith” is just a friend doing another friend a solid.

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Skip Intro  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:06:54pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

If there really was a god a clawed hand would have reached through that crack and pulled trump in.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:07:17pm

re: #279 BigPapa

Oh, and on that other little thing going on:

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Drain in the swamp must be clogged.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:08:44pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

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His hair in that photo is the dome of the rock.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:08:58pm

welp…

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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:09:50pm

Hey, Happy, Juanita Jean has a bone to pick with your Sen. Mark Warner. I hadn’t heard about this.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:10:06pm

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

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welp…

No accountability for their actions - exactly the way they like it.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:10:42pm

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

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welp…

Let this only be the start. I want to see a rerun of the post-ACA town halls, only this time with Republicans running with their tails between their legs as an angry public demands answers.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:15:48pm

re: #292 retired cynic

Hey, Happy, Juanita Jean has a bone to pick with your Sen. Mark Warner. I hadn’t heard about this.

I’m as stumped as she is.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:16:57pm

re: #294 Targetpractice

Let this only be the start. I want to see a rerun of the post-ACA town halls, only this time with Republicans running with their tails between their legs as an angry public demands answers.

Me too. Many of them owe their career and the House GOP owes their majority to lies about ACA. I want payback to be a bitch.

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:17:20pm

re: #294 Targetpractice

Let this only be the start. I want to see a rerun of the post-ACA town halls, only this time with Republicans running with their tails between their legs as an angry public demands answers.

If these people continue to dodge their own constituents, those constituents may decide to make their points in a more, umm, direct manner. I’d have a really hard time working up any sympathy if senators and representatives started getting punched the fuck out.

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CleverToad  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:17:22pm

re: #257 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

My paperwork does not say 36 months. Do you happen to have a link to the law that I can show them where they are wrong?

re: #153 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Been a while since I’ve done COBRA cases, but here’s a link I found about it:

cobraplan.com

re: #263 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

Under Q11, it looks like they HAVE to provide me with 36 months, that they don’t have any other option. Is that the way you read it?

Link

Thank you, Hollow Voice, and yes, Sionainn, that’s exactly the site I was checking tonight. Yep, they hafta.
Make them fix it ASAP and make sure that your revised paperwork shows the following:
1) The Qualifying Event is Divorce
2) They have the correct Event Date, i.e. the date of the final decree
3) They show eligibility ending 36 months after the QE Date. You may not need to keep it that long, but you bloody well have the right.

I’m not assuming malice on the part of HR, could just be a screw-up. However, if they are working with a separate company as their COBRA admin, make sure they know that the Admin has the wrong info. (HR might have sent them the wrong info, or it could be an error on the Admin’s part, but either way the company is exposed to legal consequences and they really ought to know.)

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Amory Blaine  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:21:14pm

re: #223 Ace Rothstein

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:22:57pm

Chances are very good that Brian Ross was deliberately fed disinformation by the White House to embarrass ABC News.

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BigPapa  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:23:06pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:25:43pm

re: #298 CleverToad

I’m going to assume lack of malice… unless she’s part of a huge organization, they probably don’t get “exceptional” cases very often. (I never saw a divorce event in about 20 years of doing COBRA, among other things, for a small division of a very large organization.) And COBRA, as we know, gets tricky sometimes.

…but definitely tell them… nicely. (In their position, I’d want to know!)

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Interesting Times  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:25:58pm

Ha, I missed this last night:

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:26:11pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:26:26pm

re: #301 BigPapa

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“They said with this tax bill, the plant will reopen and I’ll get my old job back.”

*whisperwhisper*

“The fuck do you mean they’re giving the rich tax write-offs for their private jets and I’m expected to pay the difference?!”

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:26:32pm

re: #276 HappyWarrior

How many times have Trump’s asshole friends on FNC completely gotten something wrong with the wrong images or wrong people and no one has been punished at all. And I bet Ross will be proven correct too.

And look how a NYT story changes once Maggie and the gang re-write it to make it more yam friendly (Note, Ted Lieu’s tweet is completely gone in the rewrite)

newsdiffs.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:27:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:30:16pm

re: #304 Charles Johnson

Oh shut the fuck up alrewdy.

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:34:26pm
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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:35:41pm

re: #309 jaunte

Yes, I totally believe it.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:38:47pm

I bought showtime for Shameless. Episodes 1-3 so meh. I was despondent.

Ep 4 was old school. Yeah!

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VegasGolfer  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:39:23pm

He gets trolled in the responses, well deserved.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:39:57pm

re: #300 Charles Johnson

Chances are very good that Brian Ross was deliberately fed disinformation by the White House to embarrass ABC News.

Chances are it was the truth. There’s no way that Kushner came up with the idea to contact Russia by himself and McFarland worked for Flynn so she didn’t order him to do jack shit. McFarland was apparently staffing Trump on national security, acting as a Flynn-Trump go between, so when Trump said he would have ordered it that means he did order it. Every act by the administration points in this direction.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:40:14pm

re: #311 Stanley Sea

I bought showtime for Shameless. Episodes 1-3 so meh. I was despondent.

Ep 4 was old school. Yeah!

Feels like everyone is binging on that. Both my brothers are too. I really like the show.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:41:09pm
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BigPapa  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:41:26pm

So Trump fired Flynn for lying to the FBI. But lying to the FBI is not really a big deal, he was just trying to help. Alrighty then.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:41:54pm

re: #315 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump and his supporters don’t know nor do they care about the difference.

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BigPapa  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:43:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:46:09pm

re: #318 BigPapa

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I seriously think Alex Jones is either the best act I’ve ever seen of a conservative gone insane or he’s on some drugs that I don’t even think libertarians want legalized.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:47:24pm

re: #309 jaunte

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A storied location.

I rec this book (Jackie K’s -G-pa built it)

amazon.com

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:47:29pm

re: #319 HappyWarrior

I seriously think Alex Jones is either the best act I’ve ever seen of a conservative gone insane or he’s on some drugs that I don’t even think libertarians want legalized.

Alex suffers from the Acquired Stupidity Syndrome. It’s a disease caused by the A.S.S. Virus!

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TedStriker  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:47:36pm

re: #319 HappyWarrior

I seriously think Alex Jones is either the best act I’ve ever seen of a conservative gone insane or he’s on some drugs that I don’t even think libertarians want legalized.

Bath salts, definitely.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:48:12pm

re: #319 HappyWarrior

His segments frequently remind me of Pro Wrestling interviews.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:49:20pm

re: #315 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The reality of all this is that the wingnuts had bet the farm on the FBI having a recorded session that they would then be able to pick apart and show her “lying under oath.” So when they found out that there was no recording and she was never under oath, it totally destroyed their entire game plan. It was just one of the major events that convinced them that the FBI had either conspired with or been ordered by the White House to end the investigation without charges.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:49:37pm

re: #323 Eclectic Cyborg

His segments frequently remind me of Pro Wrestling interviews.

I dunno. One of my friends is a pro wrestling fan and I’ve seen wrestling promos and they seem less over the top than Jones because there’s some actual basis in reality.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:50:09pm

re: #314 HappyWarrior

Feels like everyone is binging on that. Both my brothers are too. I really like the show.

Unfortunately, this is not binging, but so anticipatory that we are watching real time.$$

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:50:28pm

re: #321 Joe Bacon 🌹

Alex suffers from the Acquired Stupidity Syndrome. It’s a disease caused by the A.S.S. Virus!

HA!

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JordanRules  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:51:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:51:15pm

re: #326 Stanley Sea

Unfortunately, this is not binging, but so anticipatory that we are watching real time.$$

I really enjoy the characters. My brother just started the show last week and is already on Season 4.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:51:21pm

re: #223 Ace Rothstein

He’s on a roll!

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:51:45pm
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BigPapa  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:52:49pm

Auditory Mayonnaise FTW

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:53:04pm

re: #329 HappyWarrior

I really enjoy the characters. My brother just started the show last week and is already on Season 4.

Frank is now Francis & he’s a good guy.

lol

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wheat-dogg  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:53:07pm

re: #39 JordanRules

Well shit.

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I think I’ve mentioned before that my stepson met KT McFarland when she gave some kind of IT security talk at his company. He knows way more than she does in that area, but his bosses had invited her for some mysterious reason. Anyway, his take on her was “all hat, no cattle.” She said virtually nothing about IT security and went on mostly speaking generalities about politics. (This was before Trump was elected, btw.)

I’ve also read that KT has a hugely inflated sense of her own importance and expertise, while being (according to some) dumb as a box of rocks. This email would be one data point supporting that estimation.

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JordanRules  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:53:32pm

re: #331 Belafon

Thissity this!

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Kragar  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:53:44pm
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CleverToad  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:54:25pm

re: #266 Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch

I really appreciate your help on this. It looks to me like they took the COBRA guidelines and mucked them up on their paperwork. I’ll check back to tomorrow to see what you had to say about it, but I’m off to bed now. Thank you again so much!

Glad to help!
After five years on the phones, it set off a Pavlovian response when you said “divorce” and “eighteen months” :)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:55:19pm

re: #333 Stanley Sea

Frank is now Francis & he’s a good guy.

lol

I wonder lol how long that’s going to last. I love Frank/Francis. Pure genius acting by Macy. Been a fan of his ever since Fargo.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:56:45pm

re: #60 Stanley Sea

I’m sure Trump enjoyed the part about Hope getting on her knees in front of him.

Who the hell steams a suit while he’s still in it?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:58:06pm

re: #339 wheat-dogg

I’m sure Trump enjoyed the part about Hope getting on her knees in front of him.

Who the hell steams a suit while he’s still in it?

A guy who calls up the media pretending to be his own PR guy without even attempting to disguise his voice?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:59:11pm

re: #332 BigPapa

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:59:28pm

Question: if you had to choose between a cat and a dog to represent Obama, which would you choose? How about for Trump?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 7:59:53pm

re: #332 BigPapa

Auditory Mayonnaise FTW

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Honestly any of the overly patriotic country music released post 9/11. I’m all for love of country but gimme something like This Land Is Your Land by Guthrie over Toby Keith’s stuff.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:00:47pm

re: #342 Belafon

Question: if you had to choose between a cat and a dog to represent Obama, which would you choose? How about for Trump?

Obama: Good reliable Lab.
Trump: The Mexican hairless dog from the urban legend that’s actually a rat.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:01:07pm

re: #334 wheat-dogg

I think I’ve mentioned before that my stepson met KT McFarland when she gave some kind of IT security talk at his company. He knows way more than she does in that area, but his bosses had invited her for some mysterious reason. Anyway, his take on her was “all hat, no cattle.” She said virtually nothing about IT security and went on mostly speaking generalities about politics. (This was before Trump was elected, btw.)

I’ve also read that KT has a hugely inflated sense of her own importance and expertise, while being (according to some) dumb as a box of rocks. This email would be one data point supporting that estimation.

I read that they called KT the brain of Flynn.

holy shit

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:03:03pm

My Mom worked in the intelligence community for years. Not the agency that Flynn headed but the one Clapper headed. Anyhow. Her feelings are that people genuinely liked and respected Clapper while Flynn was seen as a bullying douche.

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Citizen K  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:03:17pm

re: #344 HappyWarrior

Obama: Good reliable Lab.
Trump: The Mexican hairless dog from the urban legend that’s actually a rat.

More like the rabid possum that you see ‘mistaken’ for a dog in those joke tweets.

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JordanRules  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:03:17pm

re: #344 HappyWarrior

Welp. There’s my answer!
LOL

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jamesfirecat  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:03:54pm

re: #343 HappyWarrior

Honestly any of the overly patriotic country music released post 9/11. I’m all for love of country but gimme something like This Land Is Your Land by Guthrie over Toby Keith’s stuff.

Obama is a tuxedo cat that looks impossibly cool and stylish no matter what it is doing,

Trump is one of those yappy chiwawas that insists on trying to make up for its small size with an excessive amount of noise.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:05:30pm

re: #347 Citizen K

More like the rabid possum that you see ‘mistaken’ for a dog in those joke tweets.

I couldn’t resist going with one of my favorite urban legends though. The rat is rabid in the urban legend by the way.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:06:14pm

re: #342 Belafon

Question: if you had to choose between a cat and a dog to represent Obama, which would you choose? How about for Trump?

If I had to choose a dog to represent Obama it would be a Collie like Lassie coming to Timmy’s rescue.

As for Trump, would have to be a very feral cat since we know Trump loves to grab those…MEOW

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:06:33pm

The Empty-Headedness of K.T. McFarland

“…When retired Adm. Robert Harward rejected Donald Trump’s offer to succeed Gen. Michael Flynn as the president’s new national security adviser (NSA), a variety of sources reported that the general’s real reason was that he couldn’t pick his own staff. He would have been required to work with Stephen Bannon as Trump’s chief White House strategist, who finagled himself onto the Principals Committee of the National Security Council. Worse, his second-in-command would have been Flynn’s deputy NSA, K.T. McFarland, a former Fox News national-security commentator who distinguished herself at the cable station for, among other things, Islamophobia, Sinophobia, and conspiracy theories. Although Harward, a former Navy SEAL, publicly cited the familiar family and financial reasons for regretfully turning down a U.S. president, he was reliably reported to have privately told his friends that the package—mainly McFarland but presumably also some other political appointees on the NSC—offered by Trump constituted a “shit sandwich.”lobelog.com

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:06:34pm

re: #348 JordanRules

Welp. There’s my answer!
LOL

Labs are classy, cool, and fun. A rat’s a rat.

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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:09:31pm

re: #352 jaunte

The Empty-Headedness of K.T. McFarland

Wasn’t she the ding dong that ran against Hilary in a NY race, saying helicopters were spying on her, or something?

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:10:03pm

re: #343 HappyWarrior

Honestly any of the overly patriotic country music released post 9/11. I’m all for love of country but gimme something like This Land Is Your Land by Guthrie over Toby Keith’s stuff.

On that note, “God Bless the USA” by Lee Greenwood. Every fucking station played that damned song at least once a day post-9/11 and when I was younger I thought it was a good dash of patriotism. Now I’ve grown so sick of it that anytime it plays on the radio, I immediately change the station or turn it off.

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scottslemmons  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:10:09pm

re: #334 wheat-dogg

I think I’ve mentioned before that my stepson met KT McFarland when she gave some kind of IT security talk at his company. He knows way more than she does in that area, but his bosses had invited her for some mysterious reason. Anyway, his take on her was “all hat, no cattle.” She said virtually nothing about IT security and went on mostly speaking generalities about politics. (This was before Trump was elected, btw.)

I’ve also read that KT has a hugely inflated sense of her own importance and expertise, while being (according to some) dumb as a box of rocks. This email would be one data point supporting that estimation.

Did she bring the Internet?

The IT Crowd - Series 3 - Episode 4: The Internet

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:10:44pm

Up for air after some Lightroom practice. Once at the Oceanside pier this guy was making huge soap bubbles in the air for kids. I just found this one and worked it up from the original raw file. The bubble caught the light and objects around us. Fascinated me when I shot it.

Shot with my trusted 7DII, and a 400 mm tele.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:11:17pm

re: #354 retired cynic

Wasn’t she the ding dong that ran against Hilary in a NY race, saying helicopters were spying on her, or something?

Yep. Hillary had them black helicopters following K.T.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:11:38pm

re: #354 retired cynic

Wasn’t she the ding dong that ran against Hilary in a NY race, saying helicopters were spying on her, or something?

Yep. Her house in the Hamptons.

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BigPapa  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:11:40pm

KT McFarland a political hack? Surely, you jest.

I don’t know how the Ken Burns film of the Trump Era stays less than 18 hours like The Vietnam War was.

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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:11:53pm

re: #357 Unshaken Defiance

Up for air after some Lightroom practice. Once at the Oceanside pier this guy was making huge soap bubbles in the air for kids. I just found this one and worked it up from the original raw file. The bubble caught the light and objects around us. Fascinated me when I shot it.

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Shot with my trusted 7DII, and a 400 mm tele.

Love it!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:12:08pm

re: #355 Targetpractice

On that note, “God Bless the USA” by Lee Greenwood. Every fucking station played that damned song at least once a day post-9/11 and when I was younger I thought it was a good dash of patriotism. Now I’ve grown so sick of it that anytime it plays on the radio, I immediately change the station or turn it off.

I honestly never liked that song. They made us do some silly flag dance with it in grade school. Agh. It’s just honestly not a good song. I love our country but that song is just so tacky. By the way, I thikn it’s “Proud To Be An American.”

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:12:42pm

re: #357 Unshaken Defiance

Up for air after some Lightroom practice. Once at the Oceanside pier this guy was making huge soap bubbles in the air for kids. I just found this one and worked it up from the original raw file. The bubble caught the light and objects around us. Fascinated me when I shot it.

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Shot with my trusted 7DII, and a 400 mm tele.

The reflection is amaze

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stpaulbear  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:13:10pm

re: #343 HappyWarrior

Honestly any of the overly patriotic country music released post 9/11. I’m all for love of country but gimme something like This Land Is Your Land by Guthrie over Toby Keith’s stuff.

Sharon Jones & the Dap-Kings “This Land Is Your Land”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:13:14pm

re: #357 Unshaken Defiance

That is a BEAUTIFUL shot!!!!!!!

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:14:14pm

re: #365 Joe Bacon 🌹

Thank you very much. Kudos to Charles for how well it embiggens.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:14:35pm

re: #354 retired cynic

Wasn’t she the ding dong that ran against Hilary in a NY race, saying helicopters were spying on her, or something?

Yeah, Fox got two has-beens from that race, her and “Judge” Pirro.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:14:55pm

re: #364 stpaulbear

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Thanks. I really liked that gospel like cover of “For What It’s Worth.” I like what I’ve heard of Sharon Jones before. I erally like this so far too!

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:15:06pm

re: #354 retired cynic

Wasn’t she the ding dong that ran against Hilary in a NY race, saying helicopters were spying on her, or something?

Pirro attempted to run against Hillary, but she was such a horrible candidate she dropped out and was replaced by Rick Lazio. Clinton gave him the ass kicking he deserved.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:15:16pm

re: #355 Targetpractice

On that note, “God Bless the USA” by Lee Greenwood. Every fucking station played that damned song at least once a day post-9/11 and when I was younger I thought it was a good dash of patriotism. Now I’ve grown so sick of it that anytime it plays on the radio, I immediately change the station or turn it off.

I remember that song ENDLESSLY playing with Reagan rallies in 1984. I detested it so much I stood in line at the polls for an hour to vote for Mondale after the election had been called for Reagan!

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stpaulbear  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:15:26pm

re: #349 jamesfirecat

Obama is a tuxedo cat that looks impossibly cool and stylish no matter what it is doing,

Trump is one of those yappy chiwawas that insists on trying to make up for its small size with an excessive amount of noise.

Before he’s done, Trump is going to be the dog who caught the car.

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retired cynic  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:16:18pm

re: #368 HappyWarrior

Thanks. I really liked that gospel like cover of “For What It’s Worth.” I like what I’ve heard of Sharon Jones before. I erally like this so far too!

I heard some interviews with her on Fresh Air, and thought she was terrific. They had a memorial on there when she died. What a trooper.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:16:51pm

re: #370 Joe Bacon 🌹

I remember that song ENDLESSLY playing with Reagan rallies in 1984. I detested it so much I stood in line at the polls for an hour to vote for Mondale after the election had been called for Reagan!

I still love how the Reagan team totally misunderstood Springsteen’s Born in the USA.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:16:54pm

re: #369 makeitstop

Pirro attempted to run against Hillary, but she was such a horrible candidate she dropped out and was replaced by Rick Lazio. Clinton gave him the ass kicking he deserved.

And I remember how biased Tim Russert was during the debate Lazio had with Hillary. Truly loathed how Russert chided Hillary after Lazio did his little debate stunt…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:17:19pm

re: #372 retired cynic

I heard some interviews with her on Fresh Air, and thought she was terrific. They had a memorial on there when she died. What a trooper.

That was a tough loss. I love her voice. Very much a throwback.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:17:53pm

Mandy of LGF lore always posted the Lee Greenwood song.

It was always such a poor joke, UGH & always in response to some perceived or real criticism of the USA. (5 years or so ago, they were prepping for fascism)

I will always associate that song with that poster.

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Targetpractice  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:18:38pm

re: #362 HappyWarrior

I honestly never liked that song. They made us do some silly flag dance with it in grade school. Agh. It’s just honestly not a good song. I love our country but that song is just so tacky. By the way, I thikn it’s “Proud To Be An American.”

No, it’s “God Bless the USA,” I had to look it up. Pure early-80s pseudo-patriotism, the patriotism substitute that we were supposed to swallow as the country went down the tubes under Reagan. You know, “He made us good about ourselves!” as fucked over the unions and oversaw the selling off of jobs to overseas sweat shops.

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:21:50pm

re: #374 Joe Bacon 🌹

And I remember how biased Tim Russert was during the debate Lazio had with Hillary. Truly loathed how Russert chided Hillary after Lazio did his little debate stunt…

Russert has had a posthumous rehabilitation, mostly because Chuck Todd is so horrible. But Russert was an asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:21:52pm

re: #377 Targetpractice

No, it’s “God Bless the USA,” I had to look it up. Pure early-80s pseudo-patriotism, the patriotism substitute that we were supposed to swallow as the country went down the tubes under Reagan. You know, “He made us good about ourselves!” as fucked over the unions and oversaw the selling off of jobs to overseas sweat shops.

My mistake, you’re right. You’re right. It’s so typical of that era. Feeling good about America whlie Reagan was destroying the legacy of the New Deal. There’s a special place in my contempt for Reagan taht not even Nixon has because Nixon at laest didn’t destroy the New Deal and Great Society.

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:22:32pm

re: #359 Stanley Sea

Yep. Her house in the Hamptons.

Clinton campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson denied any spying was going on.

“We at the Hillary campaign wish Ms. McFarland the best and hope she gets the rest she needs,” he said.

But Wolfson couldn’t resist a sharper gibe at McFarland’s oddball remarks.

“Some campaigns hand out campaign buttons; the McFarland campaign hands out tinfoil hats with antennas,” he quipped.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:23:17pm

re: #378 makeitstop

Russert has had a posthumous rehabilitation, mostly because Chuck Todd is so horrible. But Russert was an assholes.

The one I always disliked was John McLaughin. Just seemed very pompous. I liked Peter Jennings. We watched a lot of the docuseries he narrated on the 20th century in history class. Jennings just seemed like a genuinely good guy.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:25:15pm

re: #356 scottslemmons

Did she bring the Internet?

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I think she handed out souvenir copies at the end of her talk.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:28:55pm

re: #378 makeitstop

Russert has had a posthumous rehabilitation, mostly because Chuck Todd is so horrible. But Russert was an assholes.

I truly hated that asshole. Still remember when he was one of the four ringleaders of the Bill Clinton Penis Hunt along with Tweety Matthews, Michael Kelly and Maureen Dowd. Each one of them tried to out-do the others in ripping Bill Clinton to pieces.

His son made a complete fool of himself as a reporter GOP Stenographer! Little Luke finally quit after Pelosi smacked him down on live TV. If it wasn’t for his GOP asskissing Daddy, Little Luke would have flunked out of the manager trainee for Arby’s because he couldn’t master the meat slicer!

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meteor  Dec 2, 2017 • 8:47:00pm

I’m furious. Tonight, having taken a nap in the evening, I got up and figured I’d go back to working on this script I’ve been writing. I use Libre Office because it’s free.

On my last effort, earlier in the day, I was up to page 485. This is what I got when I tried to open the document a few minutes ago:

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I could scream.

I haven’t been able to open the thumb drive on which I had a backup copy stored. I’ll try again tomorrow.

Right now, I need my rest.

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fern01  Dec 2, 2017 • 9:17:51pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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Well sure as I am still alive - he didn’t write that.

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uriel  Dec 3, 2017 • 9:49:30pm

re: #357 Unshaken Defiance
Whoa! Beautiful!


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