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Kragar  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:02:53pm
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jaunte  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:06:18pm

What the hell is wrong with Lindsey Graham.

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stpaulbear  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:07:20pm

re: #1 Kragar

Two total frauds.

Conservative “Christians” are so goddamned gullible and/or self-deceiving.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:07:42pm

re: #1 Kragar

The Christmas Story begins 2,000 years ago with a mother, a father, their baby son…

And again, Trump reveals that he’s just pandering and knows nothing about this religion stuff, because in this myth Joseph wasn’t the father of Jesus.

But that doesn’t matter to hucksters like Franklin Graham, because he’s giving them political power like they’ve never had before and that’s all Graham cares about. It’s a confederacy of con men.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:09:12pm

re: #2 jaunte

What the hell is wrong with Lindsey Graham.

It always come back to the same thing: most people don’t matter. It’s what unifies the GOP.

All their internal strife is just negotiating of the specific boundaries of who doesn’t matter.

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:11:12pm

I see today that Mitch “Windsock” McConnell has decided that his firm principles and moral grounding will be no bar to seating a child molester in the Senate (as long as he’s a Republican).

I also see the Eric Trump’s hired wife is also fully backing the child molester.

Trump family values.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:11:38pm

re: #2 jaunte

What the hell is wrong with Lindsey Graham.

Lindsay never met a war he didn’t like.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:12:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:13:30pm
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jaunte  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:14:17pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior.

Lindsay never met a war he didn’t like.

He should know that with NK nukes the REMF is an outmoded concept.

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mmmirele  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:14:33pm

This is an article about a police killing of a white guy here in my city, Mesa, Arizona, at the beginning of 2016. The cop who did the killing is currently on trial for 2nd degree murder.

The point of the article is not to minimize that people of color are being killed in droves, but that police themselves are simply out of control. Apparently the video of the killing, which has not been released, is horrible. I know Mark Geragos is awful, but this is his statement on the video:

I know why they have not released it. It’s not bloody. It’s the most chilling, horrific thing you’ve seen in your life. This kid was begging for his life. He raised his hands, did everything the cops told him to do. And then they just executed him. It’s bone chilling. One of the worst experiences I’ve ever had in my life is sitting in a court room with his widow, who watched it for the second time, and she literally went into convulsions. I had to grab her to hold her in a bear hug. It was just awful.

Ben has been with me for eight years and does nothing but the civil rights practice. I’ve been doing criminal and civil rights for 35 years. I’ve seen thousands of tapes. This is light years beyond anything I’ve ever seen… it burns a hole in your brain. I literally had nightmares about it.

It’s got to be horrible if Mark Geragos is shaken up. And I live in this city. Yeah, I don’t trust the police here.

theatlantic.com

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:15:17pm

re: #2 jaunte

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What the hell is wrong with Lindsey Graham.

The whole Trump thing has unhinged him. He lost the last little piece of his soul in the healthcare debates and now he seems to have decided he is going to let all his evil out.

I’m going with what a few of us have been commenting about lately. Guys like Graham are at the ends of their careers and they may be seeing their party is in a free-fall and they are going to get in their licks until they are all out of Washington.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:15:50pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:17:09pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

t’s a confederacy of con men.

Yes, but also there’s the ones who’ve convinced themselves they can’t be wrong, which makes them at once rubes and conmen.

Trump’s empty religiosity is precisely up Graham’s alley, because Graham and the other megachurch indulgence sellers need and work towards a shallow, performative Christianity.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:17:55pm

The Bernie bots are raging in the conversation following this tweet. These people are a fucking menace.

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:18:09pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I really do look forward to the day when that corpulent fuck is sitting in court as his overpriced lawyers try to explain to a jury why calling up the FBI director and telling him “I hope you can let this go” is not an order to circular file an ongoing investigation. Especially when, right after you fire said director, you go around telling people it was because of the very same investigation.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:19:23pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Build Kate’s wall” is their new rallying cry.

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:19:55pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
I never asked Comey to stop investigating Flynn. Just more Fake News covering another Comey lie!
6:15 AM - Dec 3, 2017
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Poor soul. He has no comprehension of what obstruction means.

But he does continue to give every clue that he did and is still doing it…badly.

This I can tell you.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:27:23pm

This is Joy’s full statement, for the record:

This note is my apology to all who are disappointed by the content of blogs I wrote a decade ago, for which my choice of words and tone have legitimately been criticized.

As a writer, I pride myself on a facility with language — an economy of words or at least some wisdom in the selection. However, that clearly has not always been the case.

In 2007 I was a morning talk radio host and blogger, writing about Florida politics (a blog I maintained until 2011.) Among the frequent subjects of my posts was then-governor Charlie Crist, at the time a conservative Republican, whose positions on issues like gay marriage and adoption by same-sex couples in Florida shared headlines with widely rumored reports that he was hiding his sexual orientation. Those reports were the subject of lots of scrutiny: by LGBTQ bloggers, writers and journalists, conservative blogs, a controversial documentary film called “Outrage,” and even by the comedic writers at South Park. But it was my own attempt at challenging Crist on my blog that has now raised the issue of not just my choice of words, but what was and is in my heart.

Let me be clear: at no time have I intentionally sought to demean or harm the LGBT community, which includes people whom I deeply love. My goal, in my ham-handed way, was to call out potential hypocrisy.

Nonetheless, as someone who is not a member of the LGBT community, I regret the way I addressed the complex issue of the closet and speculation on a person’s sexual orientation with a mocking tone and sarcasm. It was insensitive, tone deaf and dumb. There is no excusing it - not based on the taste-skewing mores of talk radio or the then-blogosphere, and not based on my intentions.

In addition to friends and coworkers and viewers, I deeply apologize to Congressman Crist, who was the target of my thoughtlessness. My critique of anti-LGBT positions he once held but has since abandoned was legitimate in my view. My means of critiquing were not.

In the years since I went from blogger to opinion journalist, I have also learned, through brilliant friends and allies in the LGBT activist community, how to better frame my critiques of those who challenge people’s right to love who they want, marry them, and walk in the world as fully free people.

Re-reading those old blog posts, I am disappointed in myself. I apologize to those who also are disappointed in me. Life can be humbling. It often is. But I hope that you know where my heart is, and that I will always strive to use my words for good. I know better and I will do better.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:30:32pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

This is Joy’s full statement, for the record:

That’s an actual apology. Meanwhile Strom Thurmond never apologized for his 1948 presidential campaign. Sanders their hero has never apologized for being condescending.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:30:39pm

re: #18 ObserverArt

I never asked Comey to stop investigating Flynn. Just more Fake News covering another Comey lie!

I never asked him to stop investigating, I just fired him!

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:32:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:33:28pm
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dangerman  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:33:42pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

He may not be the front page right now. But Roy Moore had not spoken to a legitimate news outlet—local or national—since the WaPo story broke on Nov. 9. Why is this noteworthy? He’s a candidate who is riding out an assumption of GOP support. No debate w/ opponent. No press Qs.

win at all costs using whatever means and tactics are possible and available

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:34:31pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:34:38pm

“Virtue signaling” is yet another conservative piss-and-moan that’s all projection.

They’ve been building a culture of hollow rituals for decades.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:35:04pm

Joy Reid’s apology is having no effect at all on the Bernie cult, though. They’re out for her blood.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:35:18pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:35:37pm

re: #24 dangerman

He may not be the front page right now. But Roy Moore had not spoken to a legitimate news outlet—local or national—since the WaPo story broke on Nov. 9. Why is this noteworthy? He’s a candidate who is riding out an assumption of GOP support. No debate w/ opponent. No press Qs.

he has an (R) behind his name and that is seen as sufficient

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:37:04pm

re: #2 jaunte

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What the hell is wrong with Lindsey Graham.

His state is in the top ten of states that receive defense contracts. Same with McShame.

Correction: Arizona is #8 by % of state GDP, and #8 by dollars received. South Carolina is is #11 by % of state GDP, and #23 by dollars received.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:37:09pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:37:43pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Joy Redi’s apology is having no effect at all on the Bernie cult, though. They’re out for her blood.

The supporters of a craven hypocrite are holding their “enemies” to a moral standard they would never practice themselves?

Quelle surprise.////

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:38:39pm

The Bernie bros are working hand in hand with disgusting freaks like Cernovich in this.

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dangerman  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:39:32pm

re: #22 FormerDirtDart

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and then lewandowski comes along with Let Trump Be Trump

YouTube

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:39:37pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Bad faith operators flock together.

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dangerman  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:40:02pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

There are so many craven elements to the Repub bill (I refuse to call it a tax bill cause it’s so, so much more than that). But having the minimum deduction increase expire in 2021 when likely a Dem President will be in office is real Lex Luther shit.#TaxScamBill

same thing bush II did

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:42:27pm

Not to worry Joy. I’m sure The Great Bernie Sanders will call off all the flying monkeys he created.

He’ll be along shortly, just as soon as he can let them go on long enough to get their hate on and then make some fluffy statement about their passion and how this is good for America…and him. Mostly good for him.

He doesn’t seem to care about anyone else. Say, like a journalist that hasn’t been pro Bernie enough.

Feel the Burn…the movement cannot be stopped!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:44:53pm

the gop is always playing calvinball

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:46:39pm
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bratwurst  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:48:06pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

The Bernie bros are working hand in hand with disgusting freaks like Cernovich in this.

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Probably just a coincidence that these two horrible groups of people happen to focus their anger on a woman of color.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:48:30pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

“failed to disclose” = “deliberately omitted”

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:48:30pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Joy Reid’s apology is having no effect at all on the Bernie cult, though. They’re out for her blood.

The Bernie cultists are as big a threat as the Trump nuts - just from the opposite direction.

Clowns to the left. Jokers to the right - and both are fucking nuts.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:48:54pm

re: #42 lawhawk

The Bernie cultists are as big a threat as the Trump nuts - just from the opposite direction.

Clowns to the left. Jokers to the right - and both are fucking nuts.

And we’re stuck in the middle.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:49:50pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:50:19pm

re: #11 mmmirele

This is an article about a police killing of a white guy here in my city, Mesa, Arizona, at the beginning of 2016. The cop who did the killing is currently on trial for 2nd degree murder.

The point of the article is not to minimize that people of color are being killed in droves, but that police themselves are simply out of control. Apparently the video of the killing, which has not been released, is horrible. I know Mark Geragos is awful, but this is his statement on the video:

It’s got to be horrible if Mark Geragos is shaken up. And I live in this city. Yeah, I don’t trust the police here.

theatlantic.com

Fucking chilling.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:54:22pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

Oh, and Ben Shapiro and others are claiming that the Logan Act doesn’t matter and that they should use this as an opportunity to test it and find it unlawful/unconstitutional - even as the same right wing nuts were demanding heads and prosecutions when Democrats like Tulsi Gabbard met with Assad (and yeah, that too is a Logan Act violation that should have been prosecuted).

IOKIYAR.

That’s their guiding principle. And when Democrats do what the GOP is doing, demand scalps.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:58:27pm

OT:

This is just horrible. The death toll from the massive bombing in Mogadishu on October 14 has topped 500 - and there are still dozens missing. While al Shaabab has waged an insurgency there, the terror group hasn’t claimed responsibility.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:58:54pm

I think if I was Joy Reid, I might be inclined to do some in depth reporting on creepy internet fucks who think rape is a made up thing and their ideas about sperm being a magical substance that brings all the girls to your yard. Or whatever the fucking creepy ass shit of the week is.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 3, 2017 • 12:59:59pm

re: #46 lawhawk

Oh, and Ben Shapiro and others are claiming that the Logan Act doesn’t matter and that they should use this as an opportunity to test it and find it unlawful/unconstitutional - even as the same right wing nuts were demanding heads and prosecutions when Democrats like Tulsi Gabbard met with Assad (and yeah, that too is a Logan Act violation that should have been prosecuted).

IOKIYAR.

That’s their guiding principle. And when Democrats do what the GOP is doing, demand scalps.

The Logan Act is hands down the weakest and hardest to prosecute of the violations at play here. Fortunately the plethora of campaign finance violations, tax fraud, perjury, FARA & ongoing CFAA conspiracy should easily add up to a RICO indictment of the entire campaign. Trump ran a corrupt criminal enterprise in league with a foreign adversary designed from its inception to subvert and defraud the United States.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:06:05pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:07:10pm
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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:07:21pm

re: #46 lawhawk

Oh, and Ben Shapiro and others are claiming that the Logan Act doesn’t matter and that they should use this as an opportunity to test it and find it unlawful/unconstitutional - even as the same right wing nuts were demanding heads and prosecutions when Democrats like Tulsi Gabbard met with Assad (and yeah, that too is a Logan Act violation that should have been prosecuted).

IOKIYAR.

That’s their guiding principle. And when Democrats do what the GOP is doing, demand scalps.

I doubt that Mueller will rise to that bait, unless he uses it on a peripheral player.

His work is far too important to end up in front of the current SCOTUS.

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petesh  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:09:31pm

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

The Logan Act is hands down the weakest and hardest to prosecute of the violations at play here. Fortunately the plethora of campaign finance, tax fraud, perjury, FARA & ongoing CFAA conspiracy should easily add up to a RICO indictment of the entire campaign. Trump ran a corrupt criminal enterprise in league with a foreign adversary designed from it’s inception to subvert and defraud the United States.

Yes, they should. Yes he did. And he violates the emoluments clause every day.

But the Senate no longer passes legislation in regular order, after hearings with witnesses and impartial analysis. Judges are no longer removed from a appointment list when the Bar Association deems them unqualified. Raising the debt ceiling is no longer an apolitical decision. Need I go on?

The illegitimate President may yet skate. I do hope not, but it’s possible.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:11:03pm

re: #52 makeitstop

I agree that Mueller’s not going to base his case on Logan Act violations, but he’s already showing a willingness to pierce the attorney client privilege with the crime fraud exception.

I would expect Mueller to use RICO and FARA, and also work with state prosecutors to dial in cases against Trump’s syndicate in a fashion that makes it tough, if not impossible for Trump to pardon people (even though anyone accepting pardons would still have to allocute to the crime under Burdick).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:14:13pm

re: #41 Ace Rothstein

“failed to disclose” = “deliberately omitted”

= lied about

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Citizen K  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:14:33pm

To be a Democrat in this country is to be blamed for everything it seems.

Not a new observation. Just saying.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:14:37pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was in the process of switching pharmacies because I moved and the closest was CVS. My omeprazole is not covered by insurance. I paid $20.00 for it at Sav-On. CVS wanted to charge me $136! I went to another Sav-On a bit further from my home and they charge me $13.00 a month. I don’t get any of it. It makes absolutely no sense.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:15:09pm
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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:18:59pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:19:34pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Damn, Hatch, Grassley, Graham…all ol’ fart white men yelling at clouds.

Fuck all of these jerks. Their masks are off for good now, they are riding the Trump Train and letting all of their hate hang out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:19:40pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:21:29pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

I always referred to him as The GRASSHOLE. He’s now become a full time whore for the 1% just like every other Republican!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:21:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:24:01pm

hahahahaaa

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freetoken  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:24:23pm

re: #62 Joe Bacon 🌹

I always referred to him as The GRASSHOLE. He’s now become a full time whore for the 1% just like every other Republican!

At one time I wanted to believe Grassley was a bit more humble than some of the blowhard Republicans, even though he was always religious.

But no, the past few years has shown otherwise.

Remember that Trump won Iowa. Iowa, once a progressive state, is turning towards its bigoted side.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:26:18pm

these people…

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump has not yet decided whether to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital or whether to proceed immediately in moving the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to the holy city. That’s according to his son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner.

Kushner said Sunday that the president continues to weigh his options ahead of an announcement on the matter that is expected this week.

“The president is going to make his decision,” Kushner said in a rare public appearance at an event hosted by the Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank. “He is still looking at a lot of different facts.”

Kushner’s comments were his first public remarks on his efforts to restart peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians. And, they came as he faces increasing scrutiny over actions taking during the transition period following former national security adviser Michael Flynn’s guilty plea on charges of lying to the FBI.

Shortly before Kushner spoke, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas warned that American recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital would jeopardize the White House’s Mideast peace efforts.

“Any American step related to the recognition of Jerusalem as capital of Israel, or moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, represents a threat to the future of the peace process and is unacceptable for the Palestinians, Arabs and internationally,” Abbas told a group of Arab lawmakers from Israel, according to the official Wafa news agency.

oh and BTW, those stupid shirt collars he wears look really stupid.

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:31:03pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

Manu Raju

@mkraju
McConnell, asked this morning about evidence on deficit claims, said there are a “whole lot of economists” who expect tax bill to be revenue producer. Didn’t say who.


12:05 PM - Dec 3, 2017

So did Collins on Meet The Chuck Toady today. She named an economist from I believe Harvard that said it would bring something like a 1% grain the economy and that would generate the money to cover the program along with bringing joy and happiness across the land.

Oh hell…scrounging…see for yourselves.

Iframe

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:33:50pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:34:30pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:34:55pm

sent eric metaxas a cranky note about his luther bio

now i’m gonna tell zwingli to get offa my lawn

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:37:12pm

And you can be sure that, when the economy doesn’t boom and possibly even slips back into recession, those Republicans confidently declaring it’ll boom right now will do what they do best…blame the Democrats and insist that we just need another round of tax cuts and deregulation to finally attain that boom.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:37:25pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

“He is still looking at a lot of different facts.”

i’m happy to hear that trump has become interested in facts

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:38:56pm

This thread covers a lot of ground, in reference to what Flynn pled guilty to as opposed all the other charges he still faces, and who he’s also drawn into legal jeopardy.

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mmmirele  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:42:59pm

re: #70 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

sent eric metaxas a cranky note about his luther bio

now i’m gonna tell zwingli to get offa my lawn

Is Metaxas’ Luther bio as fucked up as his Bonhoeffer bio? His Bonhoeffer bio is a piece of shit. (If you’re going to read a Bonhoeffer bio, just spring for the Eberhard Bethge version. Yeah, it’s a doorstop. Yeah, it’s not salacious. But it also doesn’t try to make Bonhoeffer into an American Evangelical Christian. Bonhoeffer was a German theologian and he didn’t buy into the Evangelical crazy.)

Metaxas blocked me on Twitter. before the election after I repeatedly called him out on a fake Bonhoeffer quote which seemed to imply that people should vote for Trump. I’m not the only one who called him out; every one of us got blocked.

Metaxas is buddy buddy with fake historian David Barton and they’re both wretched liars.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:43:32pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

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Trump could call them a bunch of idiots who will fall for anything and they’d still love it. Why? Because so many of them have been convinced due to their own prejudices through RW media that the left is out to get em.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:44:16pm

re: #74 mmmirele

Is Metaxas’ Luther bio as fucked up as his Bonhoeffer bio? His Bonhoeffer bio is a piece of shit.

Metaxas blocked me on Twitter. before the election after I repeatedly called him out on a fake Bonhoeffer quote which seemed to imply that people should vote for Trump. I’m not the only one who called him out; every one of us got blocked.

Metaxas is buddy buddy with fake historian David Barton and they’re both wretched liars.

There’s something really fucked up about using Bonhoeffer who Trump wouldn’t know from his fat ass to get peopel to vote for him.

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mmmirele  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:45:31pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

There’s something really fucked up about using Bonhoeffer who Trump wouldn’t know from his fat ass to get peopel to vote for him.

I haven’t figured out why he did it, unless he was trying to set his table for the next four years based on his support of Trump. He’s still reprehensible and a liar.

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TedStriker  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:49:25pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lieu to Trump:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:49:44pm

thehill.com

Tell me again Berners how Hillary is just as bad if not worse than Trump. Sigh. This just makes me sick.

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retired cynic  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:51:35pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

thehill.com

Tell me again Berners how Hillary is just as bad if not worse than Trump. Sigh. This just makes me sick.

Good grief!!!

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:53:36pm

Looking ahead:

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BigPapa  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:53:49pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Damn. She upstaged Al Franken.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:54:18pm

re: #80 retired cynic

Good grief!!!

I wouldn’t quite call my Irish ancestors refugees in the sense that the Syrians fleeing Syria are but they were fleeing a famine. We’re better than this crap.

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:58:10pm
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PhillyPretzel  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:58:27pm

OT On black Friday I ordered some items from amazon. They were supposed to come to me by 9PM. The 9PM deadline came and went. I figured it would come by the next day. I was out all day on Saturday. Again the package did not come. On Sunday morning amazon told me that the package would come on Wednesday. I cancelled the order. They said that were in contact with the shipper (amazon) and when the package got to them I would get my money back within 2-3 days. Nothing has been updated since. Do you think I should call them or give them a few more days?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:58:38pm

re: #81 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Looking ahead:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 1:59:19pm

re: #84 makeitstop

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the GOP would rather punish adults who came here as children than Russia for undermining our democracy. That tells you who you need to know about the GOP and the kind of men and women make up that party.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:03:42pm

re: #85 PhillyPretzel

OT On black Friday I ordered some items from amazon. They were supposed to come to me by 9PM. The 9PM deadline came and went. I figured it would come by the next day. I was out all day on Saturday. Again the package did not come. On Sunday morning amazon told me that the package would come on Wednesday. I cancelled the order. They said that were in contact with the shipper (amazon) and when the package got to them I would get my money back within 2-3 days. Nothing has been updated since. Do you think I should call them or give them a few more days?

That’s unlike Amazon, call them. I have Prime and have gotten a bunch of credit lately by choosing the free no rush shipping option but it’s supposed to be an option. They only time they’ve missed a deadline for me is the one time their delivery driver lost the gate code to get into the community.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:04:37pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

I have Prime too. I will call them a little later this evening.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:05:02pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

thehill.com

Tell me again Berners how Hillary is just as bad if not worse than Trump. Sigh. This just makes me sick.

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

If there literally were a golden door, the Republicans would melt it down and sell it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:05:47pm

re: #90 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

If there literally were a golden door, the Republicans would melt it down and sell it.

before poor people spend it all on booze and women

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:07:50pm

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

before poor people spend it all on booze and women

And waste the rest.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:08:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:10:47pm

re: #90 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

If there literally were a golden door, the Republicans would melt it down and sell it.

You know, I was watching that Vietnam War documentary and I really think President Ford’s best legacy was welcoming Vietnamese refugees fleeing the Communist take over. One of my mom’s best friends is a Vietnamese refugee. I just hate how heartless this administration is.

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plansbandc  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:12:28pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

No. We aren’t better than that. Not anymore.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:13:13pm

re: #95 plansbandc

No. We aren’t better than that. Not anymore.

most of us are, but the not-better people have a lock on the senate and electoral vote.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:14:24pm

re: #95 plansbandc

No. We aren’t better than that. Not anymore.

It just breaks my heart. I really want refugees and immigrants to be able to enjoy this country like I have flaws and all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:15:26pm

re: #89 PhillyPretzel

I have Prime too. I will call them a little later this evening.

I have Prime and this delayed delivery nonsense is getting worse and worse.
Far as I can tell, it usually hasn’t been Amazon’s fault; the vendor hasn’t ship in a timely matter or they used FedEx.
I always file a complaint with let Amazon know when that happens.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:16:18pm

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VegasGolfer  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:16:32pm

re: #93 goddamnedfrank

So your saying he is just doing this as a publicity stunt and not doing anything else like a GOTV plan or similar?

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:17:02pm
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plansbandc  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:17:56pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

I pretty much cry every day over what’s happening to our country. It’s just one awful thing after another, and the piece of human garbage hasn’t even been in office for a year.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:19:59pm

re: #95 plansbandc

No. We aren’t better than that. Not anymore.

I don’t know about you, but I sure as hell am better than that.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:22:35pm

re: #100 VegasGolfer

So your saying he is just doing this as a publicity stunt and not doing anything else like a GOTV plan or similar?

He’s also building a nice mailing list ahead of his almost certain run for Governor of California.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:33:46pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

I just got off the phone with amazon. They are starting the investigation as to what happened and I should be getting my refund by the end of the week. Thanks for the advice.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:45:16pm

re: #42 lawhawk

The Bernie cultists are as big a threat as the Trump nuts - just from the opposite direction.

Clowns to the left. Jokers to the right - and both are fucking nuts.

And here we are, stuck in the middle with Trump.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:48:55pm
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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:52:05pm

Shaub points out that Trump’s lawyer’s tweet explanation makes no sense.

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William Lewis  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:54:00pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Joy Reid’s apology is having no effect at all on the Bernie cult, though. They’re out for her blood.

I wonder how much of that is Bernies own racism showing up in his followers ala Trump?

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2017 • 2:54:17pm

re: #107 lawhawk

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The question that should be asked is the one that wingnuts and “serious” pundits alike asked aloud every time the Dow hit a new high under Obama: “But how does this help people on Main Street, USA?”

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:00:08pm

Not just a subweet.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:05:38pm

I see recent polls are showing Moore up 6 in AL.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:06:44pm

Reportedly 70% of AL Republicans don’t believe Moores accusers.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:07:25pm
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jaunte  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:07:30pm

My disabled veteran sons and daughters spend their money to stay alive.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:07:34pm
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dangerman  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:08:08pm

re: #60 ObserverArt

Damn, Hatch, Grassley, Graham…all ol’ fart white men yelling at clouds.

Fuck all of these jerks. Their masks are off for good now, they are riding the Trump Train and letting all of their hate hang out.

except for graham, rich white…..

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dangerman  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:09:05pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

McConnell, asked this morning about evidence on deficit claims, said there are a “whole lot of economists” who expect tax bill to be revenue producer. Didn’t say who.

did anyone ask him “can you name one?”

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dangerman  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:10:54pm

re: #68 goddamnedfrank

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i posted this yesterday its “do what i say and dont tell mommy”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:13:27pm

re: #115 jaunte

Fuck you, Grassley.

I’d love to invest if I could but I have car and home loans to pay, family to feed, lights and water to keep on and clothes to wear. I haven’t been the movies in months and I only spend ln booze and things for my wife when I can ACTUALLY FUCKING AFFORD TO!

And I am well above the poverty line too.

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dangerman  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:16:18pm

re: #95 plansbandc

No. We aren’t better than that. Not anymore.

“we” are clearly more than one “we” now
i will not allow “us” to be forced into a monolithic single representation

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:18:23pm

re: #121 dangerman

“we” are clearly more than one “we” now
i will not allow “us” to be forced into a monolithic single representation

We are Borg. Resistance is futile.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:18:25pm

Grassley needs to be used to attack the Republicans as the elitist dipshis they are in all 50 states.

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dangerman  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:20:18pm

re: #120 Eclectic Cyborg

Fuck you, Grassley.

I’d love to invest if I could but I have car and home loans to pay, family to feed, lights and water to keep on and clothes to wear. I haven’t been the movies in months and I only spend ln booze and things for my wife when I can ACTUALLY FUCKING AFFORD TO!

And I am well above the poverty line too.

it was an asinine thing to say and doesnt merit a rational response or analysis

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:21:22pm

re: #124 dangerman

I realize that but few things gall me more than people who think I am financial irresponsible because I don’t have money to burn.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:23:38pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:23:48pm

*blink*

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:23:58pm

re: #125 Eclectic Cyborg

I realize that but few things gall me more than people who think I am financial irresponsible because I don’t have money to burn.

It’s especially galling from a Senator who has it made.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:26:13pm

re: #1 Kragar

So Franklin thinks that a thrice married, philandering, cussing, racist, bullying liar is a good witness for Jesus Christ? Really, dude? This is the best representative of Christ Franklin can rally behind? He should be ashamed of himself for his support of such an awful human being. Trump has zero redeeming qualities and is unqualified in every way for the position he currently holds.

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dangerman  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:26:13pm

re: #122 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

We are Borg. Resistance is futile.

yeah, i know we’re sorta kidding

i believe in the system, election results (when they are untampered with) and that the things and people i vote for dont always win.
ive seen a lot and dont always like who ends up representing me / us
bush/reagan etc were not my choice(s). they were reluctantly my president(s)

this administration, president, congress, cabinet, do not represent me
they have as much as said it
they act it
they prove it daily
they dont want to represent me

that’s why there is no longer just one “we” because they did it

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:26:20pm
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dangerman  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:28:01pm

re: #125 Eclectic Cyborg

I realize that but few things gall me more than people who think I am financial irresponsible because I don’t have money to burn.

with you 100%

and i get the dilemma - no response = agreement
even though it doesnt
so you have to - and that legitimizes the asininity

when i’d prefer to just say “shoo”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:28:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:28:43pm

re: #129 Patricia Kayden

So Franklin thinks that a thrice married, philandering, cussing, racist, bullying liar is a good witness for Jesus Christ? Really, dude? This is the best representative of Christ Franklin can rally behind? He should be ashamed of himself for his support of such an awful human being. Trump has zero redeeming qualities and is unqualified in every way for the position he currently holds.

It really tells you a lot that Graham thinks this is the best example of a Christian we’ve had in his life. Graham’s a monster and I don’t have much respect for his Dad either. I always thought even if I’m not personally religious at all that Jimmy Carter did a much better job living up to the teachings of Christ than someone like Trump or any of the Religious Right hypocrites who embrace him do. When’s the last time Franklin used the power of his influence and name ot help out people less well off than him? I won’t go No True Christian because that’s not my place but Graham clearly sees his religion as an excuse to be a judgmental douchebag than to help pepole.

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BigPapa  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:30:21pm

I know some of you have considered a cheetah for a pet.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:32:35pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

My husband used to get material from Franklin in regard to his “Samaritan’s Purse” ministry which I guess is supposed to help unfortunate people in various parts of the world. I used to throw away the magazines whenever I saw them because Franklin is an odious human being who has insinuated himself in politics in an ugly way. I recall his attacks on President Obama who is a much better Christian than Trump could ever be (even though I suspect that Obama is more agnostic than anything).

I just wonder what Franklin and other Christianists (like Falwell Jr., and Jim Bakker) are going to say when Trump inevitably falls.

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:33:48pm

From the “We Tried to Warn You” file:

Worlds Smallest Violin

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:34:14pm
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BigPapa  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:34:47pm

Those durned Canadians think they’re above us. Hosers.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:37:35pm

re: #135 BigPapa

I suspect we don’t really want to see the remainder of that video. Probably doesn’t end well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:38:50pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:41:33pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And you can be sure the list of persons named are heavily weighted towards Democrats and Republicans viewed as insufficiently dedicated to Hair Gropenfuhrer.

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retired cynic  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:43:25pm

If you haven’t seen this wonderful short video of a full moon rise over Mt. Victoria, Wellington, NZ, here is a link for today, 12/3, on the NASA site:

apod.nasa.gov

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:44:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:45:54pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:47:35pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

Home of the famous Reading outlets.

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ipsos  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:48:27pm

re: #146 PhillyPretzel

Home of the famous Reading outlets.

Which weren’t as impressive as I’d remembered, when last I was by there a couple of months back. Time marches on…

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wheat-dogg  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:50:27pm

re: #142 Targetpractice

And you can be sure the list of persons named are heavily weighted towards Democrats and Republicans viewed as insufficiently dedicated to Hair Gropenfuhrer.

That’s what is happening in China, with Xi’s anti-corruption probes. Coincidentally, the corrupt officials all seem to be members of Party factions opposed to Xi.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:50:46pm

Oh my this is good. The author put a LOT of time and effort slamming that weasel to the ground.

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BigPapa  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:53:14pm

re: #140 Patricia Kayden

I suspect we don’t really want to see the remainder of that video. Probably doesn’t end well.

You’re right. I feel horrible for laughing so hard.

I hope they were playing?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:54:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:57:04pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:58:27pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This article must come as a shock to Sen. Collins, after Yertle gave her his promise that there would be no cuts to Medicare.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 3, 2017 • 3:59:04pm

re: #154 Targetpractice

This article must come as a shock to Sen. Collins, after Yertle gave her his promise that there would be no cuts to Medicare.

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Deals with the devil rarely turn out for the other party.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:01:06pm

Good grief. Posobiec and Cernovich are retching out torrents of bullshit today on Twitter. It’s non-stop. Right wing robots programmed to tweet douchebag bad faith garbage all day long.

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plansbandc  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:03:54pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

We, as a country, are not.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:05:24pm

heh

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:07:01pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

Never should have given that kid the Sartre coloring book.

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dangerman  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:08:31pm

re: #154 Targetpractice

This article must come as a shock to Sen. Collins, after Yertle gave her his promise that there would be no cuts to Medicare.

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Yup. Not too late for her to recover from that magic thinking

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fern01  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:14:13pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

That’s an actual apology. Meanwhile Strom Thurmond never apologized for his 1948 presidential campaign. Sanders their hero has never apologized for being condescending.

Only democrats know how to apologize. Never heard a GOPer apologize for anything
Prime examples - the President of the USA, the next Senator from Alabama

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:15:37pm
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fern01  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:16:10pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Joy Reid’s apology is having no effect at all on the Bernie cult, though. They’re out for her blood.

Well, she is not the type of person who Bernie supported so why would it be otherwise. Bernie lost the presidency for Hillary & he and supporters are trying to ensure the GOP retains the house & senate in 2018.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:21:18pm

ooooh….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:22:30pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:25:51pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*

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This is enough to make Charles Dickens rise from his grave and haunt the jailers!

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:30:21pm

this

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:33:38pm

Is Roy Moore winning? Don’t ask the pollsters
politico.com

Bottom line: No one knows who’s ahead, but Jones is doing a hell of a lot better than we ever hoped.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:33:52pm

re: #168 I Would Prefer Not To

this

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Owned.

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:34:18pm

re: #168 I Would Prefer Not To

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ibob  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:40:59pm

re: #112 Eclectic Cyborg

I see recent polls are showing Moore up 6 in AL.

Roy Moore will win. He only stalked and molested teenage girls, not boys. That is not a crime to the evangelicals, and he has their full support. Unfortunately, they make up about half the population here in Alabama. I can guarantee you they were all told how to vote earlier today in church.

Also, Doug Jones went after the KKK group that bombed a church in Birmingham and killed 4 girls in Sunday school (they don’t count to significant portion of the population here though because they were black and girls). He even managed to get convictions. This will actually hurt him with the evangelicals. Never forget the Southern Baptist church started because of their support of slavery. They have not changed in all these years. I know because I have lived with them all my life.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:42:37pm

re: #169 Decatur Deb

Is Roy Moore winning? Don’t ask the pollsters
politico.com

Bottom line: No one knows who’s ahead, but Jones is doing a hell of a lot better than we ever hoped.

far as I can tell from what I’m seeing on the internet and in the news, Jones is the only one out there in public. And he’s out there every single day. Moore is in hiding when he’s not at private events.

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electrotek  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:42:50pm
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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:43:50pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

far as I can tell from what I’m seeing on the internet and in the news, Jones is the only one out there in public. And he’s out there every single day. Moore is in hiding when he’s not at private events.

Spends most of his time in church. Good for his soul.

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ibob  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:44:34pm

re: #174 electrotek

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I want my dinosaurs to have feathers. SAD!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:45:10pm
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electrotek  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:45:20pm

re: #176 ibob

I want my dinosaurs to have feathers. SAD!

Dr Henry Wu at least admits they’re genetically engineered. So does Alan Grant, remember the speech from JP3 in the beginning?

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:47:50pm
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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:51:33pm

re: #179 goddamnedfrank

Or… it could be that he had to settle with defrauded purchasers for deceptive marketing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:53:45pm

this doesn’t sound good

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:57:12pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

far as I can tell from what I’m seeing on the internet and in the news, Jones is the only one out there in public. And he’s out there every single day. Moore is in hiding when he’s not at private events.

Moore is campaigning at churches.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 4:58:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:00:03pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’ve had the same exact thought. Jones is as awesome as Moore is awful.

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electrotek  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:02:51pm

Looks like Milo has his devout supporters in Australia, judging from the reaction to this video by an Australian Muslim woman who challenged Milo:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:04:08pm

re: #185 electrotek

Looks like Milo has his devout supporters in Australia, judging from the reaction to this video by an Australian Muslim woman who challenged Milo:

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I know it’s not fair to the Brits but I really wish he’d go back there and leave the rest of us the hell alone.

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electrotek  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:05:00pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

I know it’s not fair to the Brits but I really wish he’d go back there and leave the rest of us the hell alone.

He said in Australia that all Australian Muslims should go back to the Middle East.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:05:03pm

re: #185 electrotek

Looks like Milo has his devout supporters in Australia, judging from the reaction to this video by an Australian Muslim woman who challenged Milo:

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There is more than enough stupid to go around this entire planet.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:05:45pm

re: #187 electrotek

He said in Australia that all Australian Muslims should go back to the Middle East.

He really is one ignorant fuckwit.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:06:28pm

re: #188 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

There is more than enough stupid to go around this entire planet.

I really hate that conmen like Milo have become celebrities in this day and age because the right has no one that can even attempt to argue their ideology intellectally so they need pathetic little trolls like Milo to argue it for them.

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:06:31pm

Like Trump’s announcement that the father of Jesus was Joseph, there’s a lot of conservative rewriting of religious doctrine and history going on lately.

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sagehen  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:06:42pm

For those who haven’t yet decided on tonight’s TV viewing…

At 10pm, TCM is running “Carmen Jones” (1954). It’s AWESOME, I highly recommend.

Based on the Bizet opera “Carmen”, they move the story from some 18th century French war/soldiers, to 1940’s Tuskegee. Starring Dorothy Dandridge, Harry Belefonte, 20th century Hollywood arrangements of Bizet’s music, all new lyrics (in English).

Supporting cast includes Pearl Bailey, Diahann Carroll. There’s even a scene at a nightclub featuring Max Roach as the drummer, and Alvin Ailey as one of the dancers.

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scottslemmons  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:07:49pm

re: #191 jaunte

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Like Trump’s announcement that the father of Jesus was Joseph, there’s a lot of conservative rewriting of religious doctrine and history going on lately.

A lot of Christians have never read the Bible, and if they ever did, they’d want it burned.

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electrotek  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:08:55pm

re: #188 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

There is more than enough stupid to go around this entire planet.

There’s a guy commenting in the comments bringing up Roy Moore and how none of the Australians commenting have anything to say about American Christians defending a pedophile and a child molester, while accusing Muslims of FGM/child marriage/pedophilia/blah blah blah.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:09:00pm

re: #191 jaunte

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Like Trump’s announcement that the father of Jesus was Joseph, there’s a lot of conservative rewriting of religious doctrine and history going on lately.

Sorry Erick, I’ll take a Jesuit’s word over a pseudo-pious asshole who called a Supreme Court Justice a Goatfucking child molester because his opinions went against his. Face it Erick, you want your vision of Capitalism and Christianity to be married to each other and this just isn’t the case.You can’t have both.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:09:08pm

re: #191 jaunte

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Like Trump’s announcement that the father of Jesus was Joseph, there’s a lot of conservative rewriting of religious doctrine and history going on lately.

Erick, son of Erick… The Bible just really goes right over your head, doesn’t it.

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plansbandc  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:09:37pm

Going to watch the Carol Burnett 50th Anniversary special tonight. Enjoying retro TV a lot these days.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:09:37pm

re: #193 scottslemmons

A lot of Christians have never read the Bible, and if they ever did, they’d want it burned.

“When I fed the poor, they called me a saint, when I asked why are they poor, they called me a communist.” Don’t know who said that but that sums up my views quite well.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:10:13pm

re: #194 electrotek

There’s a guy commenting in the comments bringing up Roy Moore and how none of the Australians commenting have anything to say about American Christians defending a pedophile and a child molester, while accusing Muslims of FGM/child marriage/pedophilia/blah blah blah.

Hypocrites til the end.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:10:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:10:40pm

re: #191 jaunte

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Like Trump’s announcement that the father of Jesus was Joseph, there’s a lot of conservative rewriting of religious doctrine and history going on lately.

and they aren’t worried about being judged later, because they really do not believe.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:11:48pm

Hoenstly I could respect the right a little bit more if they didn’t try to claim they were carrying out Christ’s vision. You’re not and I’ll be the first to admit the left really isn’t either but we’re not claiming to use a Holy Book from 2000 years ago as our guide and what drives our politics. No doubt parts of the Bible influence my liberalism but they’re not the sole or even majority guide.

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William Lewis  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:12:09pm

re: #191 jaunte

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Like Trump’s announcement that the father of Jesus was Joseph, there’s a lot of conservative rewriting of religious doctrine and history going on lately.

Eric Son of Eric, your theological education was almost as non-existent as your economic one.

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electrotek  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:12:35pm

I thought about diving in to the shitpile of the comments but I’m going to spare my friends FB news feeds from being dominated with my comments on her video lol

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JordanRules  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:13:13pm

re: #197 plansbandc

Enjoying retro TV a lot these days.

Me too.

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William Lewis  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:14:25pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

“When I fed the poor, they called me a saint, when I asked why are they poor, they called me a communist.” Don’t know who said that but that sums up my views quite well.

According to wiki, Dom Hélder Pessoa Câmara (Portuguese: [dõ ˈɛwdeɾ peˈsoɐ ˈkɐ̃mɐɾɐ]; February 7, 1909 - August 27, 1999) who was a Brazilian Roman Catholic Archbishop.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:15:09pm

re: #203 William Lewis

Eric Son of Eric, your theological education was almost as non-existent as your economic one.

Hey as a devout Episcopalian, I think you may like this story my aunt told me about our uncle who was a priest. One of my grandfather’s nieces or nephews got married in an Episcopalian church. This must have been Pre-Vatican II so my Great Grandmother, a devout Catholic was sort of worried about what the church would think of her attending a wedding in one. My Great Uncle gave her the blessing. My Aunt was saying he was liberal in other matters too. I took that to mean his racial attitudes given his parish was in a predominately African-American community and his order- the Holy Ghost Fathers specialize in that sort of thing.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:15:46pm

re: #206 William Lewis

According to wiki, Dom Hélder Pessoa Câmara (Portuguese: [dõ ˈɛwdeɾ peˈsoɐ ˈkɐ̃mɐɾɐ]; February 7, 1909 - August 27, 1999) who was a Brazilian Roman Catholic Archbishop.

I assume probalby one of the Liberation theologians. It’s a great quote.

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:15:55pm

re: #205 JordanRules

Waldemar Januszczak’s shows on art do it for me.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:15:58pm

re: #191 jaunte

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freetoken  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:19:21pm

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

It was pretty nice here today, with the winds mostly up north. But the high clouds are passing and by this time tomorrow it will be very windy and dry, dry, dry.

The loquats are not happy.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:19:46pm

re: #179 goddamnedfrank

Huge Trump supporter. Wouldn’t spend a penny on his pillows.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:19:58pm

re: #210 Joe Bacon 🌹

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I can’t tell you how much it makes me laugh to hear someone say “We need to be a more Christian/biblical orientated society and then the book that informed their views the most after the Bible was Atlas Shrugged.” It’s why I laugh at Ryan trying to pass himself as a observer of Catholic tradition. It’s not merely that Rand didn’t think charity should be public. It’s that she hated the very idea of charity.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:21:14pm
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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:21:46pm

re: #202 HappyWarrior

Hoenstly I could respect the right a little bit more if they didn’t try to claim they were carrying out Christ’s vision. You’re not and I’ll be the first to admit the left really isn’t either but we’re not claiming to use a Holy Book from 2000 years ago as our guide and what drives our politics. No doubt parts of the Bible influence my liberalism but they’re not the sole or even majority guide.

They’re not using it as a guide so much as a sales manual.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:22:30pm

re: #210 Joe Bacon 🌹

Please also keep in mind that these people do not think that the Pope is a christian.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:23:07pm

re: #216 PhillyPretzel

Please also keep in mind that these people do not think that the Pope is a christian.

It’s worse than that - they think the Pope is Satan himself.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:23:15pm

re: #211 freetoken

It was pretty nice here today, with the winds mostly up north. But the high clouds are passing and by this time tomorrow it will be very windy and dry, dry, dry.

The loquats are not happy.

Forecast for TheBackwoods tomorrow is 63 high/51 low, then Tuesday is 55/28.

Snow arrives for the first time this season on Friday. Saturday’s low is 19F.

do. not. like.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:24:29pm

re: #216 PhillyPretzel

Please also keep in mind that these people do not think that the Pope is a christian.

I deal with a bunch of right wing Catholics who openly despise Pope Francis referring to him as Pope Communist…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:24:54pm

re: #217 Charles Johnson

It’s worse than that - they think the Pope is Satan himself.

They think Trump is more a Christian than the Pope. Goes to tell you all they care about is someone to pander to them and validate their prejudices.

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:25:05pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

Come to California. Looks like fire season is going to come extra early this/next year.

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electrotek  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:25:24pm

I was wondering, is Poland and Lithuania Catholic basically as a result of the Baltic Crusades?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:25:59pm

re: #221 Skip Intro

Come to California. Looks like fire season is going to come extra early this/next year.

no, but thanks for the invite. fire season here in Appalachia is scary enough for me.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:26:10pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

They think Trump is more a Christian than the Pope. Goes to tell you all they care about is someone to pander to them and validate their prejudices.

See how Franky Graham Cracker tweets endlessly kiss Trump’s ass!

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JordanRules  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:26:29pm

re: #221 Skip Intro

Oh no, damn.
We really need some rain in Phoenix. It’s been so oddly hazy.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:26:48pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

Forecast for TheBackwoods tomorrow is 63 high/51 low, then Tuesday is 55/28.

Snow arrives for the first time this season on Friday. Saturday’s low is 19F.

do. not. like.

Tomorrow is supposed to have a high of 55 degrees F (12.8 degrees C)… and a low of 17 degrees F (-8.3 degrees C). It’s going to open with thunderstorms and end with snow. Maybe thundersnow… that would be EPIC.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:26:54pm

re: #219 Joe Bacon 🌹

I deal with a bunch of right wing Catholics who openly despise Pope Francis referring to him as Pope Communist…

Joe, there’s a bunch of very right wing Catholics who have opposed every single Pope including the quite conservative Benedict since Vatican II. We’re talking to Opus Dei’s right even since OD accepted the legitmacy of the post Vatican II popes and even liked many of them like JPII and Benedict. I knew some quite conesrvative Catholics growing up. The parents really looked down on mine because my brothers and I were getting a public school education and Mom and Dad didn’t frown on condoms, sex, or anything like that. Granted we didn’t go to Mass. Mom goes now though since Grandma moved in.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:27:12pm

re: #224 Joe Bacon 🌹

See how Franky Graham Cracker tweets endlessly kiss Trump’s ass!

Yes, that’s exactly the kind of person I was thikning of.

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:27:48pm

re: #225 JordanRules

Oh no, damn.
We really need some rain in Phoenix. It’s been so oddly hazy.

We’ve got high winds and no rain in sight for the foreseeable future. Just like the last five years, excluding 2016.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:28:31pm

I hope some of you lizards are keeping an eye on the Carol Burnett 50th show……
My sides are aching…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:29:48pm

re: #222 electrotek

I was wondering, is Poland and Lithuania Catholic basically as a result of the Baltic Crusades?

en.wikipedia.org
Nothing on Lithuania.
I think most of those two areas had become Christian by the Northern Crusades. What’s interesting to me when I see Christians lauding the Christians is how they ignore that many Eastern Christians were murdered by the Crusaders as well. There’s a reason why the Orthodox-Catholicism schism really endured and still isn’t really fully healed.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:30:03pm

re: #229 Skip Intro

Philly is going to have some fog overnight and into tomorrow morning.
forecast.weather.gov

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:30:08pm

re: #210 Joe Bacon 🌹

Erick Erickson

@EWErickson
The Bible teaches it is an individual responsibility to help the poor. Shame on those who’d pass off their personal obligation to the government.

Then why the fuck do we have to make abortion illegal? If it’s not the gov’t problem to help the poor, why is is the gov’t’s problem to enforce morality?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:30:44pm

re: #233 I Would Prefer Not To

Then why the fuck do we have to make abortion illegal? If it’s not the gov’t problem to help the poor, why is is the gov’t’s problem to enforce morality?

Because that’s different somehow.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:30:54pm

re: #226 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Tomorrow is supposed to have a high of 55 degrees F (12.8 degrees C)… and a low of 17 degrees F (-8.3 degrees C). It’s going to open with thunderstorms and end with snow. Maybe thundersnow… that would be EPIC.

Thundersnow is indeed EPIC!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:31:21pm

They also have this delusional idea that charities will just make everything peachy but it’s not like that. I won’t say the government is perfect but if you read about corrupt charities. It’s pretty disturbing stuff.

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Interesting Times  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:31:25pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think this frame is the best one to use:

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prairiefire  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:32:16pm

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thundersnow is indeed EPIC!!!!

I saw thunder snow a couple of years ago. It was like an alien invasion in the sky.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:32:27pm

re: #237 Interesting Times

I think this frame is the best one to use:

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Reminds me of how I felt that Bethelem Steel was going back on the pension they had with their workers in the early 2000’s. I was furious. My mom’s uncle was a BS lifer. He had passed away by then but a lot of long time BS workers were still alive by then.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:34:11pm

Speaking from my poitn of view, what I always hated about the Erickson view of Christianity is that this whole idea that those who don’t know the word of Christ are damned. So it’s your fault if you lived years before Christianity was even conceived? I theorize that I have ancestors that have been Jewish, Muslim, Pagan, and maybe even Hindu and Buddhist and other religions.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:34:34pm

re: #237 Interesting Times

It just might be good not to link to her directly:

#CopyEditor #DemExit #PitBullsRule #StillSanders #NeverKamala likes and retweets /= endorsements.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:35:12pm

re: #219 Joe Bacon 🌹

I deal with a bunch of right wing Catholics who openly despise Pope Francis referring to him as Pope Communist…

They tried to throw the Pope under the bus. Fortunately, it was full of commie nuns:

“This concern for those left behind by the rise of what Pope Francis calls a “savage capitalism” is perhaps the defining mission of the church of the twentieth century, and our new millennium.”
—Sr. Simone

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:37:19pm

re: #241 Belafon

It just might be good not to link to her directly:

I honestly do not get why they hate Kamala so much. They make hay out of the Mnuchin donation and decision not to prosecute but ignore that SHE voted against his nomination for his current job. But if they want to go ahead and think that a guy who will be 80 years old in 2021 is our future, I can’t stop them. A lot of them also for some weird reason really like Tulsi Gabbard even though Tulsi is much more hawkish than HRC but they somehow think Tulsi’s military background will somehow allow her to escape RW criticism.

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William Lewis  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:41:24pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

en.wikipedia.org
Nothing on Lithuania.
I think most of those two areas had become Christian by the Northern Crusades. What’s interesting to me when I see Christians lauding the Christians is how they ignore that many Eastern Christians were murdered by the Crusaders as well. There’s a reason why the Orthodox-Catholicism schism really endured and still isn’t really fully healed.

99% of the schism of east and west was over issues of secular power. The Crusades simply added more blood to an already violent history.

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William Lewis  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:44:16pm

re: #240 HappyWarrior

Speaking from my poitn of view, what I always hated about the Erickson view of Christianity is that this whole idea that those who don’t know the word of Christ are damned. So it’s your fault if you lived years before Christianity was even conceived? I theorize that I have ancestors that have been Jewish, Muslim, Pagan, and maybe even Hindu and Buddhist and other religions.

I got into a fun little furball with a priest at our diocesan convention last month on that issue. My universalism slips right off the scale into heresy quite quickly. Doesn’t help that I consider the incarnation to be the symbol of our atonement with God, not the death & resurrection.

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Interesting Times  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:45:00pm

re: #241 Belafon

I know…

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plansbandc  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:45:05pm

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Dave In Austin  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:46:53pm

re: #240 HappyWarrior

Speaking from my point of view, what I always hated about the Erickson view of Christianity is that this whole idea that those who don’t know the word of Christ are damned.

Religious marketing…. That’s all that is and was planted through interpretation over the years.

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:48:28pm

And government by grievance continues…

He’s trying to talk Hatch into staying. Hatch looks like he’s fixin’ to die of late, I’m sure he wants to get the hell out of Dodge.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:49:51pm

re: #249 makeitstop

And government by grievance continues…

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He’s trying to talk Hatch into staying. Hatch looks like he’s fixin’ to die of late, I’m sure he wants to get the hell out of Dodge.

It’d be funny if Mitt ran and lost in the primary anyhow. Not that I like Hatch or Trump but Mitt’s attitude here seems to be like the presidency, he thinks he’s entitled to this seat.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:50:14pm

re: #249 makeitstop

And government by grievance continues…

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He’s trying to talk Hatch into staying. Hatch looks like he’s fixin’ to die of late, I’m sure he wants to get the hell out of Dodge.

Wouldn’t it be awesome if Mitt voted to convict trump?

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:50:17pm

This is a good story: dailykos.com.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:51:16pm

re: #251 I Would Prefer Not To

Wouldn’t it be awesome if Mitt voted to convict trump?

If he did that, I’d hope he wins for that reason alone but I don’t trust Mitt at all.

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sagehen  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:51:21pm

re: #233 I Would Prefer Not To

Then why the fuck do we have to make abortion illegal? If it’s not the gov’t problem to help the poor, why is is the gov’t’s problem to enforce morality?

Reminder: scripture DOES NOT oppose abortion.

Exodus 21:22 — to assault a pregnant woman in such a way as to cause miscarriage… is not murder. It is not a capital crime. The penalty is financial compensation, because it is not the killing of a human being.

Numbers 5:11 — if a pregnant woman’s husband believes it’s not his, there’s a potion and ritual prescribed to determine the truth of the matter. If it’s indeed not his, terminating the pregnancy is REQUIRED.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:53:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:53:31pm

re: #254 sagehen

Reminder: scripture DOES NOT oppose abortion.

Exodus 21:22 — to assault a pregnant woman in such a way as to cause miscarriage… is not murder. It is not a capital crime. The penalty is financial compensation, because it is not the killing of a human being.

Numbers 5:11 — if a pregnant woman’s husband believes it’s not his, there’s a potion and ritual prescribed to determine the truth of the matter. If it’s indeed not his, terminating the pregnancy is REQUIRED.

Further reminder. The Southern Baptist Convention applauded the Roe decision and saw abortion opposition as a “Catholic fixation.” The only reason why the RR uses abortion is because it was a cynic tool to build bridges between them and the Catholics who the Fundies never liked that much anyhow.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:55:14pm

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If the Lord Jesus came down to earth, he’d never get the chance to run for office - he’d get shot well before then because he’d be a brown person hanging around in the wrong parts of town.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:55:47pm
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VegasGolfer  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:55:55pm

re: #212 Patricia Kayden

Huge Trump supporter. Wouldn’t spend a penny on his pillows.

washingtonpost.com
And a huge liar like trump.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:56:20pm

re: #257 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

If the Lord Jesus came down to earth, he’d never get the chance to run for office - he’d get shot well before then because he’d be a brown person hanging around in the wrong parts of town.

Or FNC would denounce him as a rabble rauser trying to embolden the poor.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:57:20pm

re: #258 Dave In Austin

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Class acts, the both of them. I’m old enough to remember when one of my conservative acquaintances thought the world of Crist. Doubt he feels the same way anymore. But we’ve lost touch.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 5:59:00pm

Can someone with some creative skills do a FNC depiction of Christ? We have a lot of creative people here.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:01:00pm

re: #262 HappyWarrior

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:01:04pm

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Or FNC would denounce him as a rabble rauser trying to embolden the poor.

Ha, you’re right. I can just see the headline banner now: “MIDDLE EASTERN MAN INCITING REVOLT IN INNER CITIES.” I could even see a full-blown modern-day interpretation of the Gospel story, with Jesus as an inner-city social worker, and the Religious Right as the Pharisees, and the “crucifixion” would be him getting shot by a white terrorist nutjob, arrested as an “illegal immigrant”, and ultimately executed for a crime he didn’t commit.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:01:32pm

I’m saying this as a straight male: Chris Evans with a beard in the Infinity War trailer is one of the hottest people I’ve ever seen.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:01:47pm

re: #263 Ace Rothstein

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Heh I was looking for something actually that would have been Fox News Gailee where they attack JC as some kind of evil doer.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:02:51pm

re: #264 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Ha, you’re right. I can just see the headline banner now: “MIDDLE EASTERN MAN INCITING REVOLT IN INNER CITIES.” I could even see a full-blown modern-day interpretation of the Gospel story, with Jesus as an inner-city social worker, and the Religious Right as the Pharisees, and the “crucifixion” would be him getting shot by a white terrorist nutjob, arrested as an “illegal immigrant”, and ultimately executed for a crime he didn’t commit.

I’ve never agreed with the interpretation that Christ was pretty much a communist/socialist but I definitely think there’s a little more validity to that than presenting him as the right’s version of capitalism.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:04:27pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

The Hill

@thehill
Trump lawyer: It doesn’t matter if Trump campaign worked with Russia because “there is no crime of collusion” hill.cm pic.twitter.com

Frankincensed
@goddamnedfrank
If it doesn’t matter then why did they all lie about it?

It’s almost like the word “collusion” is being deployed as a red herring designed to distract from actual crimes like conspiracy to violate the Campaign Finance Law & the Logan Act & the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.
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My legal ignorance: if the Trump campaign worked with Russia, isn’t that collusion? Treason? How is that not a crime?

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:04:30pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:04:31pm

re: #267 HappyWarrior

I’ve never agreed with the interpretation that Christ was pretty much a communist/socialist but I definitely think there’s a little more validity to that than presenting him as the right’s version of capitalism.

Communist/socialist, no, not really. He never preached universal wealth distribution; he even talked about how those who are rich must be good stewards of what they have been given, not that they must necessarily give away everything as a prerequisite to religious obedience.

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:12:18pm

About time! It only took 45 years.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:13:16pm

re: #270 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Communist/socialist, no, not really. He never preached universal wealth distribution; he even talked about how those who are rich must be good stewards of what they have been given, not that they must necessarily give away everything as a prerequisite to religious obedience.

The mistake people make is trying to ascribe modern ideologies to a man who lived and taught 2000 years ago. My favorite though is when they try to use JC to rationalize their views on absolute gun ownership. Uh no. I wouldn’t say that JC’s teachings promote my gun policies either for what it’s worth.

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:13:22pm

re: #268 Hecuba’s daughter

My legal ignorance: if the Trump campaign worked with Russia, isn’t that collusion? Treason? How is that not a crime?

When they say collusion is not a crime, they’re partially right - there’s no legal charge for collusion. The more appropriate term is conspiracy, which is what Manafort and Gates were charged with

That’s why they love saying there’s ‘no collusion.’ And that’s why at every turn we should be pointing out that the act of collusion with Russia results in a charge of conspiracy against the United States.

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BigPapa  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:13:37pm

re: #271 teleskiguy

The UltraViolence will always catch up to ya.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:13:47pm

re: #271 teleskiguy

About time! It only took 45 years.

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55 technically since Burgess’s novel came out in ‘62 :).

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:14:37pm

re: #274 BigPapa

Gotta lay off the Milk Plus.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:15:06pm
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JordanRules  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:16:38pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:16:59pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:17:11pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He fucking better. His life depends on it.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:18:07pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yam’s going to be on Twitter tonight blaming Billy for the whole thing.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:18:56pm

re: #279 teleskiguy

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“Oh come on you libtards know that Obama had prostitutes pee on Bush’s bed.”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:20:38pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

The mistake people make is trying to ascribe modern ideologies to a man who lived and taught 2000 years ago. My favorite though is when they try to use JC to rationalize their views on absolute gun ownership. Uh no. I wouldn’t say that JC’s teachings promote my gun policies either for what it’s worth.

Wait, you mean that it’s difficult to apply modern viewpoints to men who lived hundreds or thousands of years ago? WHY DO YOU HATE THE CONSTITUTION?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:21:55pm

re: #283 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Wait, you mean that it’s difficult to apply modern viewpoints to men who lived hundreds or thousands of years ago? WHY DO YOU HATE THE CONSTITUTION?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Yep I hate Constitution “originalism” too. I think it’s pompous as fuck. I mean it’s one thing to agree on the principles they were trying to create. It’s quite another to act like TJ and the gang were getting their talking points from the Federalist Society.

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JordanRules  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:22:20pm

Word?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:23:07pm

Another is if the Constiuttion was meant to be taken as was, they never would have allowed for amendments either. the Bill of Rights after all isn’t in the original Constitution. The best thing Madison did was include them in the first 10 amendments because naive people like Henry thought they could be implied. Our history is much different if they’re not included.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:23:52pm

re: #285 JordanRules

Word?

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LMAO. TBH he’s like what happens when one’s ultra opinionated uncle learned how to use email and social media.

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JordanRules  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:25:45pm

re: #287 HappyWarrior

He really is. Total dotard.
Shouldn’t be the President of a condo board.

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:27:02pm

re: #287 HappyWarrior

LMAO. TBH he’s like what happens when one’s ultra opinionated drunk uncle learned how to use email and social media.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:27:04pm

re: #288 JordanRules

He really is. Total dotard.
Shouldn’t be the President of a condo board.

He’d be perfect as the president of an HOA though./////

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:27:44pm

One of my wingnut friends actually thinks this is cleveR:
During a recent press conference, a reporter with MSNBC hollered from the press corps…

“Where is President Trump hiding his tax returns?”

Press Secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, astutely responded…
“We’ve found a very secure place and I’m certain they won’t be found.”

“And just where is that?” said the reporter sarcastically.

Mrs. Sanders grinned sardonically and said…

“They are underneath Obama’s college records, his passport application, his immigration status as a student, his funding sources to pay for college, his college records, and his Selective Service registration.”

“Next question?”

i don’t know if SHS actually said that though. The stupid thing about this is Obama wasn’t casting doubt on other people’s credentials to be President. He never attacked McCain or Romney’s qualifications. Trump on the other hand did attack HRC’s financials.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:28:07pm

re: #288 JordanRules

He really is. Total dotard.
Shouldn’t be the President of a condo board.

Told my boss that I wouldn’t want him delivering our mail. He’s an idiot.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:28:25pm

re: #289 makeitstop

I thought that went without saying :).

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:28:37pm
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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:30:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:33:03pm

It’s sad honestly. There are a lot of people who are quite conservative and Trumpers who I genuinely do get a long with but man man oh man do they believe some stupid shit. Turmp not disclosing his taxes is different than Obama’s grades and college admissions especially given you know Trump had serious questions about his financial dealings not to mention every President and presidential nominee has disclosed their tax records. I honestly thought it was pretty telling by the way too that Sanders- Mr. Claims to be Transparent never disclosed his eitehr.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:33:49pm

re: #263 Ace Rothstein

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Psalm 31:18 (NIV)

Let their lying lips be silenced,
for with pride and contempt
they speak arrogantly against the righteous.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:34:04pm

re: #296 Charles Johnson

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It’s all because Joy has gone after their sacred cows whether they’re named Sanders or Trump. It’s disgusting how the Sanders Bros act the same as the Trumpers when they want to attack someone who dares criticize their cattle.

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danarchy  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:39:48pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

It’s sad honestly. There are a lot of people who are quite conservative and Trumpers who I genuinely do get a long with but man man oh man do they believe some stupid shit. Turmp not disclosing his taxes is different than Obama’s grades and college admissions especially given you know Trump had serious questions about his financial dealings not to mention every President and presidential nominee has disclosed their tax records. I honestly thought it was pretty telling by the way too that Sanders- Mr. Claims to be Transparent never disclosed his eitehr.

Every president since Carter anyhow.

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:40:53pm

Trump the Corrupter.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:41:12pm

Charles, I know you’ll agree but it’s hilarious seeing people like Posobeic and Cernovich who support frigging Moore attacking Reid over a “Miss Charlie” comment from ten years ago when they support Moore who has made his career as an unabashed homophobe who even calls gay people criminals and perverts. Ms. Charlie was a stupid and juvenile thing to say but Reid did offer a gracious apology that Crist appears to have accepted and furthermore got over years ago.I really get sick seeing the right play sick games like this.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:41:32pm

re: #301 danarchy

Every president since Carter anyhow.

Right, there’s a lot of precedent to it.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:41:52pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:43:19pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:44:58pm

Oh, for Pete’s sake.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:45:24pm

Now they’re going to try to claim Joy Reid is antisemitic? Seriously?

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:45:35pm

re: #306 Dave In Austin

“…Every Man to his Station was first published as a hand colored engraving in 1825 by Edward Wallis of London. Every Man to his Station has a moral theme illustrated with scenes from everyday country life. There are severe penalties imposed for bad behavior, notably being sent to the House of Correction, and for such misdemeanors as slothful behavior and theft.”
boardgamegeek.com

Stocking stuffers for Congress.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:47:12pm

re: #307 Charles Johnson

Oh, for Pete’s sake.

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Don’t you just hate it when you’re right sometimes?

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TedStriker  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:48:04pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

It’s all because Joy has gone after their sacred cows whether they’re named Sanders or Trump. It’s disgusting how the Sanders Bros act the same as the Trumpers when they want to attack someone who dares criticize their cattle.

When it comes down to it, the hardcore BernieBros and the hardcore Trumpistas act the same and use the same “toolkit”, as it were; only their stated goals are different, for the most part, though there are areas where there’s overlap (especially when it comes to “libertarian” stuff).

All of them are pretty much batshit crazy, however.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:48:09pm

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:48:28pm

re: #302 jaunte

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Trump the Corrupter.

As Rick Wilson puts it, everything Trump touches dies.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:48:51pm

re: #310 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Don’t you just hate it when you’re right sometimes?

The far left/right make me hate politics because neither is interested in acutally discussing issues. Just being petty. As I said, the far left hate Joy because she’s gone after Bernie and the far right hate her because she’s gone after Trump. Fuck both Trump and Bernie honestly for doing not a damn thing to control the damn cults of personality they’ve created and I’d even suggest encouraging it especially in Trump’s case.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:49:00pm

Interestingly, not a single rec’d diary at Daily Kos about Reid. I’m a bit shocked, especially given TomP’s recent entry.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:49:43pm

re: #308 Charles Johnson

From what I have seen she seems to be very fair toward everyone.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:50:08pm

re: #311 TedStriker

When it comes down to it, the hardcore BernieBros and the hardcore Trumpistas act the same and use the same “toolkit”, as it were; only their stated goals are different, for the most part, though there are areas where there’s overlap (especially when it comes to “libertarian” stuff).

All of them are pretty much batshit crazy, however.

They are quite similiar. The Bros can be just as sexist and just as racist as the Trumpers. Maybe they don’t use the n-word or the language I see used on women that Turmpers do but they sure as hell are as condescending to anyone who thinks about issues concerning anythin gother than white guys.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:50:10pm

My middle son is watching the Carol Burnett special. He told me he’s sad that he wasn’t alive when the show was on.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:50:22pm

re: #312 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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And Jesus said unto them, go fuck yourselves with rusty sporks. For whatever you did to the least of these, you did to me. And I did not enjoy it in the slightest.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:51:15pm

re: #315 Belafon

Interestingly, not a single rec’d diary at Daily Kos about Reid. I’m a bit shocked, especially given TomP’s recent entry.

Maybe the Bern burned out at DK? I think he reached his peak politically. If he runs in 2020, I think he won’t do as well. More candidates - more exposure of his weaknesses.

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TedStriker  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:52:05pm

re: #308 Charles Johnson

Now they’re going to try to claim Joy Reid is antisemitic? Seriously?

The ‘Bros and the Trumpistas aren’t content with publicly embarrassing Reid, they want her completely and utterly destroyed, much like what they did with Hillary.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:53:05pm

re: #321 TedStriker

If they can’t have it their way no one can have it. Just like spoiled brats.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:53:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:54:13pm

re: #321 TedStriker

The ‘Bros and the Trumpistas aren’t content with publicly embarrassing Reid, they want her completely and utterly destroyed, much like with Hillary.

Yep. It’s pretty amazing. 2 years ago I actually liked Senator Sanders quite a bit. I wasn’t sure he was presidential material or not but I thought at least if he ran he’d get people thinking about some issues that needed discussing but I’ve changed my mind. I dislike the guy. I dislike the movement he’s created even if he did get more people my age involved. He’s toxic a lot like how Trump is and the sooner people realize that about him, the better off the left will be.

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TedStriker  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:55:34pm

re: #322 PhillyPretzel

If they can’t have it their way no one can have it. Just like spoiled brats.

That’s a big part of it, but I think it’s much simpler than that: from even their public behavior (because you know their private behavior is even worse), it seems that many of the hardcore Bros and Trumpistas in the He-Man Club can’t fucking stand “uppity” women, especially “uppity” women darker than a paper bag.

Yeah, I said it.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:55:35pm

re: #307 Charles Johnson

She just tweeted a link to a far right blog with a bullshit video from the Media Research Center. Nope.

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:56:04pm

Nice summary of the arguments we’ll hear during the week:

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JordanRules  Dec 3, 2017 • 6:59:37pm
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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:00:46pm

When I walked the beasties at 8pm (est) it there was medium-to-heavy scattered clouds here in NE-FL, but still very bright, lots of moon rays shining through

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:01:03pm
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jaunte  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:01:41pm

More wraiths in DC than Mordor.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:02:11pm
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PhillyPretzel  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:04:25pm

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

A few days ago Mayor Kenney called Trump a bully. And he is absolutely correct.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:05:16pm

re: #333 PhillyPretzel

A few days ago Mayor Kenney called Trump a bully. And he is absolutely correct.

He is.

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Citizen K  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:05:24pm

re: #326 Charles Johnson

She just tweeted a link to a far right blog with a bullshit video from the Media Research Center. Nope.

This is what gets me: they clearly are more wont to believe the far-right, which shares almost none of their values or beliefs, in order to attack those who are at least willing to meet them half-way, all for the sake of purity of thought.

And then they have the gall to claim that Dems and liberals are no different than Republicans and are secretly in cahoots with them.

Fuck all.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:16:12pm

re: #335 Citizen K

This is what gets me: they clearly are more wont to believe the far-right, which shares almost none of their values or beliefs, in order to attack those who are at least willing to meet them half-way, all for the sake of purity of thought.

And then they have the gall to claim that Dems and liberals are no different than Republicans and are secretly in cahoots with them.

Fuck all.

That is so true. Last evening, I was discussing issues with two Bernie Gals and one of them did the usual rant of objecting to having to vote for the lesser of two evils who are owned by Wall Street. These people still seem to hold the view that Hillary is no better than Trump, nothing compares to Saint Bernie.

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:16:17pm

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

Back when trump was just a corrupt businessman he didn’t have to keep track of his lies.

After over 40 years of lying hundreds of times a week he has no way or interest of keeping track of them now. That’s what his lawyers are for.

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The Major  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:17:06pm

Holy fuck…..

I started to re-watch the 1987 ABC mini-series “AMERIKA” about how an EMP Blast allowed the Russians to invade and break-up the USA into independent countries…

Episode 2 is a MUST WATCH for some rather damning lines…

“Sometimes co-operation is more important than talent”: during the dance recital of the future Governor-General of Heartland (played by Robert Urich) around the 9:00 minute mark

“I don’t believe it: You lost your country, before we even got here.” Sam Neill, playing Colonel Andrei Denisov of the KGB, during a conversation with Peter Bradford (Urich)

The Youtube playlist is here.

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Weaselone  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:17:58pm

re: #335 Citizen K

1. Some of them are just ratfuckers.
2. They’re just trying to slime liberals to the left of them and right wing BS is readily available to find
3. Many on the far left share an authoritarian streak and desire to burn it all down with the alt right, despite the fact that their position on social and economic issues is more in line with Democrats.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:19:07pm

re: #339 Weaselone

1. Some of them are just ratfuckers.
2. They’re just trying to slime liberals to the left of them and right wing BS is readily available to find
3. Many on the far left share an authoritarian streak and desire to burn it all down with the alt right, despite the fact that their position on social and economic issues is more in line with Democrats.

There are people that believe you can impose utopia.

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Skip Intro  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:21:21pm

re: #336 Hecuba’s daughter

Needs a unicorn.

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The Major  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:21:28pm

re: #336 Hecuba’s daughter

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:21:30pm
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JordanRules  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:22:08pm

re: #338 The Major

Just recently came across this Politico piece from January about that show.

The 1987 TV Miniseries That Predicted a Russian Takeover of America
Long since forgotten, ‘Amerika’ was a commercial and artistic flop. Watching it today makes for uncomfortable viewing.
politico.com

I love old TV miniseries so I definitely want to check this out.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:24:08pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:32:39pm

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thundersnow is indeed EPIC!!!!

I still remember the first time I experienced it here in Ohio. January 1977. Cold as low as it has been in my lifetime…the year of natural gas shortages, etc. One night late I saw some flashes out the window and wondered what was going on. Ran outside to see lightning and hear thunder in a heavy downfall of big snowflakes.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:33:18pm

re: #342 The Major

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:35:05pm

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:35:58pm

re: #348 FormerDirtDart

¯_(ツ)_/¯

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At least they’re not firing the sausages using the weed cannon./////

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:36:38pm

re: #249 makeitstop

And government by grievance continues…

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He’s trying to talk Hatch into staying. Hatch looks like he’s fixin’ to die of late, I’m sure he wants to get the hell out of Dodge.

I’m sure I’d like to see him run out of Dodge.

Too bad it’s about 16 years way too late.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:36:49pm
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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:38:29pm

re: #347 Hecuba’s daughter

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:39:10pm

re: #257 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

If the Lord Jesus came down to earth, he’d never get the chance to run for office - he’d get shot well before then because he’d be a brown person hanging around in the wrong parts of town.

Thus why a good friend of mine always said the future symbol that New Christians would wear was a tiny silver revolver on a chain.

That used to both confuse and piss off a lot of people.

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:42:46pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:44:58pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:44:59pm

re: #297 makeitstop

Nope. When it comes to RepubliKKKlans it’s always MONEY FIRST!

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:45:15pm
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jaunte  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:46:00pm

I always get Eric Dondero mixed up with Dan Bidondi.

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:46:18pm

re: #295 makeitstop

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Oh damn. Hillary, Bill and The Clinton Foundation got to Billy Bush.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:48:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:49:35pm

re: #360 Charles Johnson

He never resists an opportunity to be a pathetic douche. He has no room at all to criticize Joy given his love of Putin.

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BigPapa  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:50:59pm

re: #349 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

At least they’re not firing the sausages using the weed cannon./////

Sorry ma’am. I need to let our know your husband was killed by a bologna.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:53:48pm

re: #312 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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That sounds like the typical sermon one hears in Radical Republican churches!

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:55:12pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:55:16pm

re: #337 Skip Intro

Back when trump was just a corrupt businessman he didn’t have to keep track of his lies.

After over 40 years of lying hundreds of times a week he has no way or interest of keeping track of them now. That’s what his lawyers are for.

And his lawyers are shitty because who that was a real decent attorney would work for the pig? He wants lawyers that do what he wants, not what is necessarily legal. And then he doesn’t pay.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:57:10pm
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JordanRules  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:57:26pm

Lots of burrowing. 2018 midterms has to be one check on this for the long term.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 7:58:47pm

re: #366 FormerDirtDart

Now, now that was different.//

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2017 • 8:01:08pm

re: #360 Charles Johnson

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Would Greenwald not be the One True Spokesperson for the Convergence?

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 3, 2017 • 8:01:54pm

re: #364 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Dec 3, 2017 • 8:02:17pm

re: #369 ObserverArt

Ron Paul cheerleader in the aughts, Bernie Sanders cheerleader today. I’d say yeah.

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ObserverArt  Dec 3, 2017 • 8:04:32pm

re: #366 FormerDirtDart

Sarah Sanders

@SarahHuckabee
When you’re attacking FBI agents because you’re under criminal investigation, you’re losing


2:12 PM - Nov 3, 2016
5,481 5,481 Replies 16,364 16,364 Retweets 17,750 17,750 likes

It is clear this was during the time someone had possession of Sarah Huckleberries’ cell phone and hacked her Twitter account.

I’m sure everyone is familiar how this happens to people ALL the time.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 3, 2017 • 8:10:44pm

re: #367 JordanRules

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Lots of burrowing. 2018 midterms has to be one check on this for the long term.

I’m just waiting for the new owners of the LA Weekly to hire Ginger Snapped…

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 3, 2017 • 8:16:46pm

re: #373 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m just waiting for the new owners of the LA Weekly to hire Ginger Snapped…

We need people on the left to buy out more media so that we have a chance to get our message across. Maybe Tom Steyer should be spending his money on that project instead of his impeachment mission.

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plansbandc  Dec 3, 2017 • 8:21:46pm

re: #292 HappyWarrior

Where else, in any profession do we say, “Let’s hire this guy because he has zero experience” ? Yet a good portion of this country thought that and voted that piece of garbage into one of the most complex and powerful positions in the world.

And God how we’ve paid. And will pay for decades.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2017 • 8:30:15pm

re: #375 plansbandc

Where else, in any profession do we say, “Let’s hire this guy because he has zero experience” ? Yet a good portion of this country thought that and voted that piece of garbage into one of the most complex and powerful positions in the world.

And God how we’ve paid. And will pay for decades.

YEah you’re not kidding. I hate that stupid approach.


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