In Which the President of the US Proudly Endorses an Accused Child Molester for the US Senate: “Go Get ‘Em, Roy!”

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After initially making some vague noise that sounded kind of like disapproval of Roy Moore, today our disgusting so-called president came all out in favor of electing to the US Senate an equally disgusting extreme right wing religious fanatic and accused child molester tied to white supremacist groups, a guy who’s been removed from the Alabama judiciary twice in his ugly career.

The reason: so he can help pass a massive handout to the super-rich, at the expense of the under-privileged and middle class.

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I know I’ve said it before, but this drives the point home again: our country is in the hands of evil people with evil intentions. And “GOP” now stands for “Grand Old Pedophiles.”

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Roy Moore: ‘Immorality has sunken to a new low’

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Kragar  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:21:00am

“GRAB THEM BY THE PUSSY, ROY!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:22:29am

This is BEGGING for some talented artist to put together a picture of Moore chasing a group of young girls with Trump egging him on.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:22:36am

As Roy Moore himself admitted, the nation is sinking to new levels of immorality.

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Kragar  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:24:03am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:24:37am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Roy Moore: ‘Immorality has sunken to a new low’

“What’s this country coming to? Why, there was a time when teenage girls were offered as tribute to public officials!”
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:25:07am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Roy Moore: ‘Immorality has sunken to a new low’

Beat you by eight seconds! (Great minds and all)

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:26:12am

Gross Old Pedophiles.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:30:33am

re: #8 jaunte

Gross Old Pedophiles.

Goddamned Oligarcial Pederasts

Grumpy Oily Pricks

Gropers Or Patriots

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:33:28am
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:36:35am

re: #10 jaunte

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But her emails!

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Kragar  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:37:23am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Roy Moore: ‘Immorality has sunken to a new low’

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:37:33am
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I have no words.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:37:53am

Today in Trumpeffect:

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“You won’t feel like you’re in China when you’re on our buses,” the ad promised in a section that touted being able to ride home with “passengers like you.”

A firestorm quickly erupted over the ads, and the company issued a quick apology.

“We made a remark based on the fact that our competitor mostly handles Chinese international students,” the company said in an apology sent over email. “The remark is being interpreted as a slap in the face of all non-caucasians for some reason, and that it not how it was intended.”

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:38:25am

re: #13 Citizen K

“Special interests” redefined as the public at large.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:39:22am

Trump is signing the Bears Ears/Grand Staircase giveaway as we speak.

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:39:26am

re: #15 jaunte

“Special interests” redefined as the public at large.

It’s literally flipping both concepts completely upside down.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:41:13am
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dangerman  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:41:51am

an early new years resolution early

going forward, i will play every single piece of music posted on lgf

what charles posts on top as a new thread topic

and what everyone else posts as well

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:42:48am
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:43:11am
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Interesting Times  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:44:56am
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:44:59am

Thought this might be appropriate just now.

Paradise by John Prine

The mob at the Trump event is especially crazy today, with much screeching, capering in the aisles, loud squawks, stolen music and general insanity. I expect them to bring out a virgin to sacrifice any minute now.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:45:49am

There ya go Dangerman

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:46:49am

re: #13 Citizen K

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:49:08am

re: #25 lawhawk

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:49:27am
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dangerman  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:50:29am

re: #21 jaunte

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this is asinine “So why do we tax paychecks?”

we dont

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:50:49am

re: #20 Ace-o-aces

I’m assuming he’ll sign a proclamation opening it up to drilling before he goes.

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dangerman  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:51:38am

re: #24 Stanley Sea

There ya go Dangerman

not gonna get a lot of work done anymore am i?

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calochortus  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:52:28am

re: #25 lawhawk

Hmmm, maybe we’ll cut the Utah portion of our trip planning for next summer. If they don’t want tourist dollars, maybe we should head up to Idaho/Eastern OR after we visit Great Basin NP?

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:52:54am

re: #13 Citizen K

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I have no words.

Was he smirking when he said that?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:53:56am

So when will Kinko the Clown run for Senator?

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:54:18am

re: #14 jaunte

Today in Trumpeffect:

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Chinese graduate student, presumed murdered there last summer, still missing….

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:54:50am
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:56:04am
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:57:56am

re: #13 Citizen K

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I have no words.

Yikes!
Special interests=Indigenous people, nature loving citizens.
Public=Mining companies and rapacious developers.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:59:11am

re: #14 jaunte

Today in Trumpeffect:

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Uh, that is exactly how is was intended. I hope students boycott that god-damned company and put it out of business,

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 4, 2017 • 11:59:34am

Rot in hell, Trump.
Thief, tool, liar, harlot, assassin of America.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:02:28pm

re: #36 jaunte

If the Klan disapproves, it means they’re libtards.//

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:03:15pm

He is going to destroy everything, isn’t he?

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Kragar  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:05:09pm
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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:07:27pm

re: #31 calochortus

Hmmm, maybe we’ll cut the Utah portion of our trip planning for next summer. If they don’t want tourist dollars, maybe we should head up to Idaho/Eastern OR after we visit Great Basin NP?

I wouldn’t do that.

You’d be missing out on these fabulous lands and sights.

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calochortus  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:09:00pm

re: #43 lawhawk

I wouldn’t do that.

You’d be missing out on these fabulous lands and sights.

I know, but there are other fabulous lands and sights everywhere-and in all honesty, we probably weren’t going to make it all the way over to Bear’s Ears, anyway.

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Kragar  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:12:29pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:13:58pm

re: #42 Kragar

Are they really this stupid?

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Kilroy was here  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:15:42pm

re: #46 Skip Intro

Are they really this stupid?

If the price it right…

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:17:26pm

re: #46 Skip Intro

Are they really this stupid?

He just needed some kind of fig leaf to justify voting yes. He knows its as meaningless as pillow talk after a one night stand.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:19:04pm

re: #46 Skip Intro

Are they really this stupid?

Yes. Yes, they are.

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:19:52pm

re: #48 Big Beautiful Door

He just needed some kind of fig leaf to justify voting yes. He knows its as meaningless as pillow talk after a one night stand.

But he’s quitting. He had nothing to lose by voting against trump, yet once again he didn’t.

The GOP really is a cult and scares the shit out of me.

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allegro  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:20:16pm

re: #48 Big Beautiful Door

He just needed some kind of fig leaf to justify voting yes. He knows its as meaningless as pillow talk after a one night stand.

See Collins, Susan. Guaranteed Medicare wouldn’t be touched. LOfuckingL

Murkowski will no doubt see her promise come to fruition, i.e. drilling in ANWR

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ericblair  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:20:20pm

re: #48 Big Beautiful Door

He just needed some kind of fig leaf to justify voting yes. He knows its as meaningless as pillow talk after a one night stand.

Best thing is to not call him a liar: call him (and Collins) fucking chumps. Some people respect liars, but not fucking chumps.

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dangerman  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:21:55pm

re: #52 ericblair

Best thing is to not call him a liar: call him (and Collins) fucking chumps. Some people respect liars, but not fucking chumps.

yep - easy marks
they got played like the saddest kind of sucker

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:22:30pm

re: #50 Skip Intro

But he’s quitting. He had nothing to lose by voting against trump, yet once again he didn’t.

The GOP really is a cult and scares the shit out of me.

Flake may be anti-Trump, but he’s also a conservative Republican and believes in the supply-side magic of big tax cuts for the rich.

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allegro  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:24:12pm

re: #50 Skip Intro

But he’s quitting. He had nothing to lose by voting against trump, yet once again he didn’t.

The GOP really is a cult and scares the shit out of me.

Likely had his next job to lose. He’s just retiring from his Senate office so he can make the big bucks.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:24:21pm

re: #50 Skip Intro

But he’s quitting. He had nothing to lose by voting against trump …

Except for the cushy lobbying / finance job waiting for him after he leaves.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:24:45pm

re: #49 Eclectic Cyborg

Yes. Yes, they are.

No — they aren’t that stupid, they are that dishonest. Flake’s only real complaint against Trump was style not substance (oh wait — Trump has no substance); i.e. Trump was on board with everything the Republicans proposed and that’s good enough for Flake. If Trump didn’t tweet, Flake would have had no objection to him. Even the supposed dismay over Trump’s association with Russia seems not to be too serious — otherwise the GOP would be lambasting him for not implementing the additional sanctions.

—minor grammar edit

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:26:21pm

re: #19 dangerman

an early new years resolution early

going forward, i will play every single piece of music posted on lgf

what charles posts on top as a new thread topic

and what everyone else posts as well

That is already my practice, and it is a big part of why I can never, ever keep up with threads. But I end up listening to a lot of groovacious music.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:27:36pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:28:02pm

When you realize, thanks to Citizens United, that the Kochs, the Mercers, and Sheldon Adelson could all get together and form a PAC to buy each GOP Senator for $1 million a year and not even feel it you begin to see how totally fucked we are. Hell, they can even deduct the bribes from their taxes.

As for buying the House, I think an all expenses paid trip to Russia to meet Putin, led by Dana Rohrbacher, would be plenty.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:28:52pm

re: #59 Ace-o-aces

Yep that’s their “Alpha male.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:29:46pm

re: #60 Skip Intro

When you realize, thanks to Citizens United, that the Kochs, the Mercers, and Sheldon Adelson could all get together and form a PAC to buy each GOP Senator for $1 million a year and not even feel it you begin to see how totally fucked we are. Hell, they can even deduct the bribes from their taxes.

As for buying the House, I think an all expenses paid trip to Russia to meet Putin, led by Dana Rohrbacher, would be plenty.

It really does get back to what a terrible decision Citizens United was as you’re getting at.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:29:57pm

re: #30 dangerman

not gonna get a lot of work done anymore am i?

Or you will constantly have a bazillion LGF tabs open while you try to catch up with the musics. But as of 1/1/18 I’ll know for sure that I am not the only one.

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:31:12pm

Seen at the @MNGOP State Central Committee Meeting: “I Support Roy Moore” buttons.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:32:05pm

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sagehen  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:32:14pm

re: #5 Kragar

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Also, Jerry Lee Lewis.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:33:31pm

re: #39 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Rot in hell, Trump.
Thief, tool, liar, harlot, assassin of America.

It is 62 million Americans who are assassinating this country; without them, none of this would be happening. OTOH, except for the Russia love, the tweeting, personal grifting. and perhaps the mess in Puerto Rico, everything that Trump is doing is something that any other Republican who got the nomination would have done. Do you really think any one of them would have done anything to help ameliorate global warming? Or help guarantee voting rights to minorities? Or protect the environment? Or preserve the ACA?

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sagehen  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:36:07pm

re: #31 calochortus

Hmmm, maybe we’ll cut the Utah portion of our trip planning for next summer. If they don’t want tourist dollars, maybe we should head up to Idaho/Eastern OR after we visit Great Basin NP?

Idaho/Eastern OR is where the Nazis live.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:39:22pm

re: #28 dangerman

this is asinine “So why do we tax paychecks?”

we dont

The forms DE-9 and DE-9c that I just filed would beg to differ with you on that point.

Also: forms 940 & 941 that my S-corp has to file…

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calochortus  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:40:57pm

re: #68 sagehen

Idaho/Eastern OR is where the Nazis live.

Sort of. But then there are Nazis in a lot of places. Most people are not Nazis and are pretty nice.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:41:22pm

So, now that we’re looting the National Parks, how long before the Grand Canyon gets resized so private mining interests can start gutting it for uranium?

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:41:47pm

So much for that ‘special circle of Hell..’

The tweet seems to have disappeared, but it said that Ivanka was doing robocalls for Roy Moore.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:43:22pm

re: #67 Hecuba’s daughter

It is 62 million Americans who are assassinating this country; without them, none of this would be happening. OTOH, except for the Russia love, the tweeting, personal grifting. and perhaps the mess in Puerto Rico, everything that Trump is doing is something that any other Republican who got the nomination would have done. Do you really think any one of them would have done anything to help ameliorate global warming? Or help guarantee voting rights to minorities? Or protect the environment? Or preserve the ACA?

Uh, no, I do not believe the other Republicans would have done those things, and there is a singular absence of reasons to think I would believe so.

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calochortus  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:43:51pm

BBL

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:45:05pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

So, now that we’re looting the National Parks, how long before the Grand Canyon gets resized so private mining interests can start gutting it for uranium?

There’s Grand Canyon National Park.

Then there’s Grand Canyon-Parashant National Monument.

The latter would be on the chopping block in the same fashion with the same consequences. GOP wouldn’t mind exploiting ‘em.

By the same logic, GOP would look to reduce size of Arches and Canyonlands since there are uranium finds and other mineral deposits around Moab too.

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:45:26pm
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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:48:25pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:49:47pm

re: #77 lawhawk

And Russians. Especially Russians. In particular, a short one with oligarchs in his back pocket and often seen riding shirtless.

I do hope that in point in these investigations, DT’s tax records are subpoenaed, I would like to see the extent of his business involvement with these very people.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:51:40pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:56:52pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:58:41pm

Donald Trump is quite literally destroying everything good about the US, systematically and maliciously, with the ultimate goal of making super-rich oligarchs even wealthier.

and supporters are cheering him on because to them it is all so deliciously politically incorrect.

they support Roy M because it he is PC

this is what we have come to, a loud , malicious minority running roughshod on things that used to be a matter of consensus between people both left and right

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MsJ  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:58:44pm

re: #14 jaunte

Today in Trumpeffect:

[“We made a remark based on the fact that our competitor mostly handles Chinese international students,” the company said in an apology sent over email. “The remark is being interpreted as a slap in the face of all non-caucasians for some reason, and that it not how it was intended.”]

Well that makes it better. 🙄

Wtf were they thinking?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:59:06pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

My idiot neighbor: “Trump’s not that bad. Hitler was way worse.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 12:59:54pm

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

My idiot neighbor: “Trump’s not that bad. Hitler was way worse.”

Oh. That’s a nice bar. //

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:01:55pm

re: #78 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What little we know of Trump’s tax records and his business operations is that he’d benefit from all of the Tax Scam bill’s provisions - especially those that drop the passthrough tax rate.

His companies operate 100s of passthroughs. LLCs, LLPs, Partnerships, and S corps. All of them would see the tax rate drop - which means the owner/partner/member (Trump) sees his rate drop from 39.6% to 25%.

Trump gets nearly 37% cut in his taxes thanks to the tax scam on each one of his businesses. (14.6 point cut). Most everyone else sees 1-2% in the middle class. Those making over $300,000 a year are guaranteed to come out ahead.

But the middle class, the very folks that the GOP claimed were the biggest beneficiaries, are the ones getting screwed here. All their deductions and credits go away and are replaced with “expanded standard deductions” that don’t really take the place of the itemized deductions they used to have.

Sure, it might be simpler, but you’re now simply paying more tax.

I know I will. I did my math, and I’ll end up subsidizing Donald Fucking Trump and his millionaire pals from day one of this scheme because they have income from passthroughs, and I’m a schlub who gets paid in salary/compensation.

I live in a high tax state, have SALT deductions, plus mortgage interest, medical expenses, and those combined will not be covered by the expanded standard deduction.

Hey, I’m okay if I were paying more in tax and poor folks get more out of the deal - higher services, more medical coverage, etc., but this is simply redistributing my wealth to Donald Fucking Trump.

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:02:07pm

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

My idiot neighbor: “Trump’s not that bad. Hitler was way worse.”

Not if you were an Aryan.

With trump you’d have to be a rich Aryan for him not to shit on you.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:02:12pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

Oh. That’s a nice bar. //

Yeah, exactly. *spit*

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:02:46pm

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

My idiot neighbor: “Trump’s not that bad. Hitler was way worse.”

Did you tell said idiot neighbor that Trump seems to have a distinct admiration for Hitler and his adherents?

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darthstar  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:08:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:08:15pm

Trump: re: #87 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah, exactly. *spit*

Like I’m sorry. I have higher standards than “Not as bad as Hitler.” Every American should.

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dangerman  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:08:30pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Sure, it might be simpler, but you’re now simply paying more tax.

this is a perfect statement.

and yes parts of the 1040 might be a bit simpler.

but all the talk all these years about “tax simplification” because of those “thousands of pages of tax code” — nope not gonna shrink at all

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:08:36pm

Trump’s not that bad compared to the Dark Energy driven Big Rip that will eventually tear apart all matter and even spacetime itself.

Eat at Arby’s.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:08:47pm

re: #88 Citizen K

Yes, he told me I’d been watching too much “fake news”.

🙄

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allegro  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:10:18pm

re: #89 darthstar

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:10:28pm

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

My idiot neighbor: “Trump’s not that bad. Hitler was way worse.”

So far…

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darthstar  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:11:02pm

re: #94 allegro

How many are Russian bots?

Bots don’t UNfollow.

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darthstar  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:13:23pm

re: #94 allegro

How many are Russian bots?

Of his actual followers, probably about 50% are fake…average is a bit lower than that (I googled):

thehill.com

Congress is followed by a lot of phonies: a new study shows a large percentage of accounts following legislators on Twitter are fake.

Jon Tilton, the general manager for digital marketing firm Advocacy Media, ran a follower check last weekend on every member of Congress using StatusPeople, a tool designed specifically to check for fake followers on Twitter. He found that an average of 38 percent of accounts following representatives on Twitter and 42 percent of those following senators are a combination of fake and inactive accounts.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:14:25pm

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

My idiot neighbor: “Trump’s not that bad. Hitler was way worse.”

Start dumping your garbage in his yard. “Well, it’s not as bad as dog shit.”

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darthstar  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:17:04pm

re: #98 Belafon

Start dumping your garbage in his yard. “Well, it’s not as bad as dog shit.”

That reminds me of the hurricane prep one guy did in Florida…took all his yard waste down to the street so it would get blown away with everything else. One of his neighbors seeing this moved it all back into the guy’s garage after he left so it would be protected from the wind.

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Kragar  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:17:59pm
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CHOUINARD: Well, I think the only thing this administration understands is lawsuits.

WEIR: And the head of Patagonia says he’s ready for a long legal fight.

CHOUINARD: We’re losing this planet, and we have an evil government. And not just the federal government, but wacko politicians out of Utah and place. I mean, it’s evil. And I’m not going to stand back and just let evil win.

Chouinard will be part of a larger coalition, including the Navajo Nation, that vowed to challenge Trump’s decision in court.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:20:16pm

re: #100 Kragar

It would be beautifully ironic if Native Americans played a key role in bringing down Trump

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:21:08pm

Mre: #101 Eclectic Cyborg

It would be beautifully ironic if Native Americans played a key role in bringing down Trump

It’d be beautiful.

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MsJ  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:23:08pm

re: #46 Skip Intro

Are they really this stupid?

No. They’re equally fucking evil.

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dangerman  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:23:28pm

re: #101 Eclectic Cyborg

It would be beautifully ironic if Native Americans played a key role in bringing down Trump

i can see an argument something like “you’re gonna take our land away from us twice”?

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Kragar  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:23:37pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:25:30pm

re: #106 Kragar

Get used to years of this; loss after loss on the courts due to Trump’s appointees.

and this will continue long after he is gone

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:26:55pm

re: #105 Kragar

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re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Goddammit…

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darthstar  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:27:02pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:28:50pm

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and this will continue long after he is gone

Seems like a fine time for me to say:

I FUCKING HATE DONALD TRUMP!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:31:01pm

re: #106 Kragar

Aw hell no.

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allegro  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:33:12pm

re: #97 darthstar

Of his actual followers, probably about 50% are fake…average is a bit lower than that (I googled):

This is no doubt the stupidist question of the day… since they’re known fake accounts, why are they allowed to exist?

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:34:37pm

re: #92 goddamnedfrank

Trump’s not that bad compared to the Dark Energy driven Big Rip that will eventually tear apart all matter and even spacetime itself.

Eat at Arby’s.

We have the meats!

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:34:50pm

re: #112 allegro

This is no doubt the stupidist question of the day… since they’re known fake accounts, why are they allowed to exist?

Because Twitter can’t figure out how to block them needs every account to count for their stock’s sake.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:36:37pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:38:07pm

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and this will continue long after he is gone

This is why when I scream “ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!,” I don’t mean spending 4 years lying to people you meet while traveling abroad about where you come from. Trump and the GOP are working overtime to pack all the vacancies that they deliberately left open under Obama with far-right ideologues for life.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:38:36pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

Yep.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:38:50pm

re: #101 Eclectic Cyborg

It would be beautifully ironic if Native Americans played a key role in bringing down Trump

We could give him the nickname Custer then?

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Frenchy  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:40:03pm

re: #82 MsJ

I don’t like how that story said that the company issued an apology bc actually they didn’t. Their full “apology” was something to the effect of “It wasn’t a slap at all non-caucasians, only ‘Chinese international students’” then it went on to bitch and moan about how U of I’s admissions policies have led to more damn for’ners around town in Champaign-Urbana than that dickhead is apparently comfortable with.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:42:04pm

re: #114 Belafon

Because Twitter can’t figure out how to block them needs every account to count for their stock’s sake.

And when they suspend you (as I am), you cannot get them to just go ahead and delete your fucking account. I am suspended but still get counted as a user, I want the fucking account GONE, quit counting me as a member for your money making shit.

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darthstar  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:45:35pm

I love it…so McConnell fucked himself on that Tax bill in one respect after all:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:46:40pm

re: #122 darthstar

I love it…so McConnell fucked himself on that Tax bill in one respect after all:

Oops!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:49:01pm

re: #122 darthstar

I love it…so McConnell fucked himself on that Tax bill in one respect after all:

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Can’t they just fix that shit in reconciliation?

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piratedan  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:49:48pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

you know, open hearings and a debate and simply time to read what they threw together might have prevented this travesty from happening…. :-)

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:50:31pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

Can’t they just fix that shit in reconciliation?

The bill they bring back still has to pass the rules of the Senate, such has the Byrd rules and reconciliation.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:52:51pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

Can’t they just fix that shit in reconciliation?

Even if they can, it’s gonna slow shit down.

New campaign ad: Can you trust a party that can’t even get its own legislation right to run the country?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:56:12pm

Kellyanne Conway says she was with Trump “all day” Saturday and that John Dowd crafted the Flynn tweet and sent it to the “director of social media.”

If she was with him all day, even when he was in the bathroom, they don’t pay her enough.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:56:48pm

re: #128 Ace-o-aces

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lawhawk  Dec 4, 2017 • 1:56:53pm

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:01:59pm

re: #126 Belafon

The bill they bring back still has to pass the rules of the Senate, such has the Byrd rules and reconciliation.

According to the NY Mag story:

McConnell’s mistake has two big implications. First and foremost, it means the Senate will almost certainly have to vote on a tax bill again before one goes into law. Previously, it looked as though Paul Ryan had enough votes in the House to pass the Senate bill as is. This took pressure off the party’s conference committee (the House and Senate leaders tasked with reconciling each chamber’s bills). Worst-case scenario, the House could just rubber-stamp the Senate’s work. Now, that option is deeply undesirable. It remains overwhelmingly likely that Republicans will pass a giant tax cut. But their task is now a bit more difficult.

The second implication is that McConnell is going to need new revenue. In all probability, Republicans are going to drop the alternative-minimum tax rate well below 20 percent. That will put the bill’s price tag over $1.5 trillion. Right now, some of the House’s most heinous revenue raisers — including the infamous tax on graduate student tuition — are not in the Senate bill. Chances are now somewhat higher that these odious provisions will make it into the final legislation, as Republicans will once again be desperate for pay-fors. That said, it’s also possible that the GOP will simply revise their bill’s corporate rate up to 22 percent, now that President Trump has given the party permission to do so.

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:03:01pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

The consistent assumption of good faith on the parts of conservatives and bad faith on liberals by the media is maddening and depressing. Again, they will believe with all credulity anything someone from the right-wing no matter how lacking in credibility they are, and will throw anyone on the left under the bus under the assumption that they are the monsters that conservatives keep projecting onto them.

I don’t know how you fight that sheer amount of maddening batshittery, where good faith and bad faith are always seen as their sheer opposites by those who should be the most vigorous about this shit.

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whitebeach  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:03:38pm

OT, but my SIL yesterday brought over what may be the most bizarrely southern magazine I’ve ever seen outside of the fictional “Southern Hair” from “Steel Magnolias”. The name of this periodical? “Garden & Gun.”

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Mike Lamb  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:05:40pm

re: #128 Ace-o-aces

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:08:08pm

re: #138 Mike Lamb

How is it even relevant if Dowd authored the tweet? He sent it from Trump’s official account and with Trump’s blessing. He’s literally speaking for Trump.

they are asking us to pay no attention to that man behind the curtain

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VegasGolfer  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:10:16pm

washingtonpost.com

Just came across my feed. Evidence of Roy Moore with teenage girls. Havent read it, but I assume it wont move the needle

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:12:19pm

re: #86 Skip Intro

Not if you were an Aryan.

With trump you’d have to be a rich Aryan for him not to shit on you.

And even then the yam would do it if it gave him the rich Aryan’s money.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:14:03pm

Home Depot has the perfect way to get rid of those annoying relatives. The creepy uncle and deranged cousin stuff is still pretty expensive though.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:15:16pm

re: #141 VegasGolfer

washingtonpost.com

Just came across my feed. Evidence of Roy Moore with teenage girls. Havent read it, but I assume it wont move the needle

if nothing else had moved it to this point, a few letters won’t

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MsJ  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:16:32pm

re: #122 darthstar

I love it…so McConnell fucked himself on that Tax bill in one respect after all:

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:22:20pm

re: #136 whitebeach

OT, but my SIL yesterday brought over what may be the most bizarrely southern magazine I’ve ever seen outside of the fictional “Southern Hair” from “Steel Magnolias”. The name of this periodical? “Garden & Gun.”

It’s a cookbook!!!

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austin_blue  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:23:02pm

re: #136 whitebeach

OT, but my SIL yesterday brought over what may be the most bizarrely southern magazine I’ve ever seen outside of the fictional “Southern Hair” from “Steel Magnolias”. The name of this periodical? “Garden & Gun.”

Actually, it’s very well written. And the “gun” stuff is pretty much for the fox and pheasant crowd.

Tally ho!

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dangerman  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:23:05pm

re: #129 I Would Prefer Not To

Kellyanne Conway says she was with Trump “all day” Saturday and that John Dowd crafted the Flynn tweet and sent it to the “director of social media.”

If she was with him all day, even when he was in the bathroom, they don’t pay her enough.

so how did it get tweeted from his account?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:23:21pm

This is it:
Woman shares new evidence of relationship with Roy Moore when she was 17
The pro-molester party will have no trouble dismissing this as quickly as they have the rest of the evidence.

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allegro  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:26:06pm

re: #149 dangerman

so how did it get tweeted from his account?

Identity theft?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:26:24pm

The Dowd thing is reminding me of Ron Paul’s racist newsletter.

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:26:45pm

They even fucked over investors!

The new tax on stock investors hidden in the Senate tax plan

Some of the largest fund companies in the country are pushing back against a little-noticed provision in the Senate tax bill they argue will cost investors millions.

The provision would prevent investors from minimizing taxes by choosing the specific shares that are being sold when they sell part of a position. Instead, investors would have to sell their oldest shares first.

If the provision becomes law, “markets will work less well. Our fund managers will have their hands tied, and our shareholders will owe more in taxes,” said Thomas Faust, chief executive of Eaton Vance Corp., a fund firm that manages more than $419 billion.

All to give trump a HUGE tax cut.

fidelity.com

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:26:59pm

re: #109 darthstar

Not to be a dick and all but Miss Native Texan has a Chilean flag 🇨🇱 for Texas similar in design and color yet not the same..

She also uses KKK as her online initials.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:27:19pm

Rotten to the core, er, base:

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:27:31pm

re: #149 dangerman

so how did it get tweeted from his account?

Trump did it while she was wiping his ass.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:29:20pm

re: #155 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Rotten to the core, er, base:

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Continuing to support him is really telling too.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:34:23pm

re: #153 Skip Intro

They even fucked over investors!

The new tax on stock investors hidden in the Senate tax plan

All to give trump a HUGE tax cut.

fidelity.com

“a little-noticed provision”

The whole damn bill is little-noticed, because NOBODY HAD TIME TO FUCKING READ IT BEFORE VOTING ON IT.

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austin_blue  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:35:28pm

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

This is it:
Woman shares new evidence of relationship with Roy Moore when she was 17
The pro-molester party will have no trouble dismissing this as quickly as they have the rest of the evidence.

Look at the capital I’s and R’s. Stylized and unusual. Same hand.

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dangerman  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:37:10pm

re: #69 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

The forms DE-9 and DE-9c that I just filed would beg to differ with you on that point.

Also: forms 940 & 941 that my S-corp has to file…

maybe i was being a bit pedantic
the article was referring to “payroll taxes”
gross wages are taxed, not paychecks

we know full well that many or most would spend a gross paycheck and at the end of the year not have the cash to pay the tax liability.

tax withholding from paychecks is an way of ensuring that people actually pay an estimated amount close to their final tax.

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:37:48pm

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

This is it:
Woman shares new evidence of relationship with Roy Moore when she was 17
The pro-molester party will have no trouble dismissing this as quickly as they have the rest of the evidence.

They’ll dismiss it because they don’t care. He could have raped little boys and filmed it for sale and they still wouldn’t care because HE’S A REPUBLICAN!

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dangerman  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:38:30pm

re: #151 allegro

Identity theft?

if it wasnt posted from trumps own phone wouldnt that be some sort of tos violation?

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Stanley Sea  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:38:46pm

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:39:44pm

re: #158 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

“Having all these choices is harmful to taxpayers and to the tax system,” says Steven Rosenthal, a tax attorney now with the Tax Policy Center.

Can’t be letting people have choices, says the party of small government.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:40:04pm

re: #161 Skip Intro

They’ll dismiss it because they don’t care. He could have raped little boys and filmed it for sale and they still wouldn’t care because HE’S A REPUBLICAN!

It was GOP Senators breaking party lines and starting to oppose Nixon that led to his resignation before he could be impeached and most likely removed from office.

Since then the GOP has worked diligently to prevent any such travesties of GOP officials putting country above party from being repeated.

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dangerman  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:40:11pm

re: #156 Skip Intro

Trump did it while she was wiping his ass.

hey - im being serious here….
ok ok so were you

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:40:26pm

re: #164 Skip Intro

Can’t be letting people have choices, says the party of small government.

The building block of capitalism is free choice. Apparently, capitalism only applies to those who are already winning at capitalism.

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:41:27pm

re: #166 dangerman

Absolutely. That’s part of her job.

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allegro  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:41:37pm

re: #162 dangerman

if it wasnt posted from trumps own phone wouldnt that be some sort of tos violation?

More than that. If he hacked Trump’s account, used it without express permission, then he is guilty of identity theft and impersonating an officer of the law. Right? Lock him up!

If he did have permission then those are Trump’s words whether he wrote them or not. So obstruction of justice stands. Lock him up!

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dangerman  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:43:19pm

re: #168 Skip Intro

Absolutely. That’s part of her job.

sometimes i ask why didnt i go back to bed after my morning run
just pull the covers over my head and hide in the bliss of sleep

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whitebeach  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:45:42pm

re: #148 austin_blue

Actually, it’s very well written. And the “gun” stuff is pretty much for the fox and pheasant crowd.

Tally ho!

It is pretty well done. The article my SIL thought I’d like was a sort of oral history of the making of the movie “Deliverance.” Quotes and anecdotes from all the principals, many of the supporting actors, the director, James Dickey’s son, and the legendary casting director Lynn Stalmaster.

And since the only actual “Gun” stuff I saw was an ad for top-shelf Italian shotguns, you’re probably right about the Tally ho” too.

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BigPapa  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:49:11pm

Mueller wants to revoke Manafort’s bail.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:51:43pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:53:59pm

re: #174 Ace-o-aces

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Maybe she got her results back from 23 & Me!

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Jay C  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:55:50pm

re: #175 Joe Bacon 🌹

Maybe she got her results back from 23 & Me!

And saw the words “Sub-Saharan” and freaked….

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Stanley Sea  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:56:04pm

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allegro  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:56:57pm

re: #176 Jay C

And saw the words “Sub-Saharan” and freaked….

She looks more Middle Eastern to me.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:58:34pm

re: #172 BigPapa

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He goddamn well better. Graft that fucking GPS tracker to his ankle.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:59:25pm

re: #179 makeitstop

He goddamn well better. Graft that fucking GPS tracker to his ankle.

And no anesthesia.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 4, 2017 • 2:59:31pm

re: #175 Joe Bacon 🌹

Maybe she got her results back from 23 & Me!

It showed she had two X chromosomes.

That’s why they’re treating her like shit.

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Jay C  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:00:36pm

re: #178 allegro

She looks more Middle Eastern to me.

Probably even more freaked….

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MsJ  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:01:26pm

re: #128 Ace-o-aces

Is anyone else hoping that Conway winds up in a prison cell with trump? Or is it just me?

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:02:06pm

re: #183 MsJ

Is anyone else hoping that Conway winds up in a prison cell with trump? Or is it just me?

Oh God no. It’s the stuff dreams are made of.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:03:34pm

“Trad” means that you’re a women who’s helping the white ethnostate by being married and making a full-time commitment to shitting out babies and indoctrinating them. Preferably while being conventionally hot.

They’re giving her shit for…being an autonomous entity.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:06:29pm

Busy day today…hardly aware of what is going on, but I did hear Mueller is asking for Manafort’s bail to revoked.

I hope it. That arrogant ass is making a mockery of his case and is acting like it doesn’t mean much.

I hope the judge puts his ass behind bars until next to whenever.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:09:38pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Roy Moore: ‘Immorality has sunken to a new low’

Yeah, so low that Alabama is about to elect a child molester to the US Senate. He really has no self awareness, does he?

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:10:07pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:12:19pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

And don’t forget that post-election he had a cozy dinner with Trump after he had strongly criticized Trump before the election.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:16:41pm

re: #193 Citizen K

I assure you this asshole will find a way to not pay any price, monetary or otherwise, just like he didn’t pay any price for literally challenging female colleagues to duels.

Challenging female colleagues to duels? What the ever-loving fuck?

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:19:45pm

re: #199 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Challenging female colleagues to duels? What the ever-loving fuck?

I’ve lost track of which GOP dipshit is which. Is Blake Farenthold the pajama photo guy?

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:20:17pm

re: #199 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Challenging female colleagues to duels? What the ever-loving fuck?

Rep. Farenthold: I’d ‘settle this Aaron Burr-style’ if senators resisting repeal were men

Washington (CNN)Rep. Blake Farenthold of Texas said in a radio interview Friday he might “settle this Aaron Burr-style” — an apparent reference to the 1804 duel when Burr killed Alexander Hamilton — if GOP holdouts on the Senate health care efforts were men from his home state of Texas rather than women.

“Listen, the fact that the Senate does not have the courage to do some of the things that every Republican in the Senate promised to do is just absolutely repugnant to me,” he told Texas radio host Bob Jones on “Keys 1440 AM.” “Some of the people that are opposed to this — there are some female senators from the Northeast — if it was a guy from South Texas, I might ask him to step outside and settle this Aaron Burr-style.”
Republican Sens. Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia, Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska said last week that they would oppose Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s plan to repeal the Affordable Care Act without a replacement.

re: #202 EPR-radar

I’ve lost track of which GOP dipshit is which. Is Blake Farenthold the pajama photo guy?

That’s him alright.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:22:50pm

re: #13 Citizen K

WTH? So Trump taking public land and turning it over to private investors to extract minerals is …? It’s almost like Trump’s sycophants are speaking in a foreign language.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:24:14pm

re: #203 Citizen K

What a douchebag. History gives us the perfect response to wannabe duelists, by Rudolf Virchow, a 19th century doctor. en.wikipedia.org

As a cofounder and member of the liberal party (Deutsche Fortschrittspartei) he was a leading political antagonist of Bismarck. He was opposed to Bismarck’s excessive military budget, which angered Bismarck sufficiently enough to challenge Virchow to a duel in 1865. Of the two versions, one has Virchow declining because he considered dueling an uncivilized way to solve a conflict. The second has passed into legend, but was well documented in the contemporary scientific literature. It has Virchow, having been the challenged and therefore entitled to choose the weapons, selecting two pork sausages, a normal sausage and another one, loaded with Trichinella larvae. His challenger declined the proposition as risky.

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:25:55pm

re: #204 Patricia Kayden

WTH? So Trump taking public land and turning it over to private investors to extract minerals is …? It’s almost like Trump’s sycophants are speaking in a foreign language.

It’s not a foreign language. It’s simple classic doublespeak and compulsive lying. They do it to continue to stake claim on the truth as well as lord over the fact that those who can say and prove otherwise can’t do a fucking jackshit about it because they hold all the fucking power.

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:31:08pm

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:33:32pm

re: #161 Skip Intro

They’ll dismiss it because they don’t care. He could have raped little boys and filmed it for sale and they still wouldn’t care because HE’S A REPUBLICAN!

They don’t care as long as it’s girls. BUT being involved with boys or even adult men would be the death knell for a Republican candidate in Alabama. And I suspect if he were involved with a 10 year girl, that might not sit well with his constituents.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:34:18pm

re: #18 The Vicious Babushka

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I don’t understand why he would be invited to a Civil Rights museum’s opening under any circumstances. You may as well invite David Duke or Richard Spencer.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:36:30pm

re: #177 Stanley Sea

It’s not like the Saudis ever cared about the Palestinians.

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:36:54pm

re: #214 Patricia Kayden

Why? He has verbally assaulted Black NFL players for engaging in civil rights protests. He and his KKK Dad banned Black tenants from their buildings. He advocated the death penalty for Black defendants who were wrongfully convicted of the Central Park attack and he has disrespected countless other people of color, including immigrants from Mexico.

I don’t understand why he would be invited to a Civil Rights museum’s opening under any circumstances. You may as well invite David Duke or Richard Spencer.

Because we assume the president has to speak for all Americans even when he clearly and openly refuses to do so. We have so many assumptions baked into our political process that it simply can’t handle openly cynical bad faith behavior on this large and frequent a scale.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:37:16pm

re: #206 Citizen K

It’s not a foreign language. It’s simple classic doublespeak and compulsive lying. They do it to continue to stake claim on the truth as well as lord over the fact that those who can say and prove otherwise can’t do a fucking jackshit about it because they hold all the fucking power.

It’s pretty much what was described in “1984” where south means north and peace means war. Scary times.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:39:05pm

re: #191 mmmirele

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:39:05pm

re: #218 Patricia Kayden

It’s pretty much what was described in “1984” where south means north and peace means war. Scary times.

Yep. It’s literally the kind of doublespeak Orwell defined.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:41:22pm

re: #200 FormerDirtDart

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The Major  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:41:52pm

Now, who could have thought that Jimmy Swaggart is more Christian than Roy Moore-Swaggert admitted his sins and was de-frocked by The Assembly of God General Board…

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:42:40pm

It’ll be interesting to see how Mueller will push back on this, aside from revoking bail.

Maybe hit Manafort with a couple more charges?

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Skip Intro  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:42:46pm

re: #213 Hecuba’s daughter

They don’t care as long as it’s girls. BUT being involved with boys or even adult men would be the death knell for a Republican candidate in Alabama. And I suspect if he were involved with a 10 year girl, that might not sit well with his constituents.

“Jesus Christ couldn’t get elected in Alabama if he ran as a Democrat.”

From a couple of days ago.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:43:42pm

Oh, and Manafort loses all that real estate he put up as collateral, right?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:49:29pm

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:50:29pm

This screwup — like most of the tax plan’s oddest features — was born of a math problem. Due to arcane Senate rules, the Trump tax cuts can only add $1.5 trillion to the deficit over the next decade. Last Thursday, the Senate tax bill already cost about that sum, and then McConnell started making expensive promises to his few holdouts. Susan Collins wanted a $10,000 property tax deduction for Americans in high-tax states; Ron Johnson wanted a 23 percent business-income deduction for the company that his family owns. This left the Senate Majority Leader searching under the tax code’s couch cushions for new sources of revenue.

Eventually, he came upon the corporate alternative minimum tax (AMT). At present, most corporations face a 35 percent (statutory) rate on their income. But by availing themselves of various tax credits and deductions, most companies can get their actual rates down far below that figure. To put a limit on just how far, them corporate AMT prevents companies from paying any less than 20 percent on their profits (or, more precisely, on the profits that they fail to hide overseas).

The GOP had originally intended to abolish the AMT. But on Fridpay, with the clock running out — and money running short — Senate Republicans put the AMT back into their bill. Unfortunately for McConnell, they forgot to lower the AMT after doing so.

This is a big problem. The Senate bill brings the normal corporate rate down to 20 percent — while leaving the alternative minimum rate at … 20 percent. The legislation would still allow corporations to claim a wide variety of tax credits and deductions — it just renders all them completely worthless. Companies can either take no deductions, and pay a 20 percent rate — or take lots of deductions … and pay a 20 percent rate.

With this blunder, Senate Republicans have achieved the unthinkable: They’ve written a giant corporate tax cut that many of their corporate donors do not like

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pretty sure there’s also a problem with ATVs, dirt bikes, big trucks, etc, tearing up the place. One of the Bundy boys was doing that and got busted for it. Those people want to have their “fun activities” returned to them.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:55:35pm

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:55:38pm

Everything Trump touches dies. Hopefully that includes Roy Moore’s campaign next Tuesday.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2017 • 3:56:56pm

Off for an hour to conspire against our twice-former Chief Justice.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:00:23pm

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:01:21pm

re: #227 Backwoods_Sleuth

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gocart mozart  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:01:41pm

re: #174 Ace-o-aces

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:03:10pm

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:04:02pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:06:24pm

Cernovich is now trying to use the same out-of context smear campaign against Michael Ian Black.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:06:28pm

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:07:20pm

re: #185 The Ghost of a Flea

“Trad” means that you’re a women who’s helping the white ethnostate by being married and making a full-time commitment to shitting out babies and indoctrinating them. Preferably while being conventionally hot.

They’re giving her shit for…being an autonomous entity.

Apparently she doesn’t understand her own ideology. LOL!

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:07:22pm

Rude Pundit has a simple question for Alabamians.

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Click to Reveal

Look, look, we all get it, Alabama. You really, really care about ending abortion. Abortion is more important than anything else in the entire Senate campaign for a really big percentage of you. It’s more important than jobs (and, to be fair, the state has only a 3.6% unemployment rate). It’s more important than the rest of health care and, well, obviously, education, (both of which, to be fair, place Alabama near the bottom of the nation). It’s more important than whether or not Republican Roy Moore finger-fucked a 14-year-old girl through her panties while he took her hand and used it fondle himself. We totally get where you’re at. We may not like it. We may think it’s about one of the most viciously backwards, dumbass redneck, fucked-up things we’ve ever heard, but at least you’re clear about how deep a pile of shit you’re willing to stand in because you think you’re protecting “babies.”

And, today, you even got the criminal president to go all in on Moore. This morning, Trump not only tweeted his support for Moore (and, fuck you, if it’s under Trump’s name, it’s Trump’s), but he called Moore to offer encouragement by saying, according to Moore, “Go get ‘em, Roy,” which is what Moore told himself in the food court at the Dothan mall. And Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, a man whose dick gets semi-stiff when he guts medical care for the poor, has backed off his call for Moore to get out of the race and now says he’ll “let the people of Alabama make the call” on whether an accused pedophile and proud lawbreaker should be in the Senate. All for tax cuts, man, all for tax cuts.

Let’s be clear here, Alabama. Moore ain’t on trial. In posts and tweets supporting Moore, his idiot followers are acting like Moore is facing a jury. Moore is running for an elected office. The worst thing that can happen to him is that he doesn’t get that office. No one (as of now) is saying he oughta be arrested for sexual assault and for drooling over high school girls at JC Penney and, well, the high school. Roy Moore doesn’t have to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in order to lose the election. These are political decisions, not judicial ones.

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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:07:52pm

re: #238 gocart mozart

lay down with dogs, something something… I mean, Stevie Wonder could have seen that one coming.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:08:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:10:08pm

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:10:53pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sen. Collins has an easy remedy available for this. She can just can just vote no on any future GOP tax bills that don’t include these features she supposedly wants.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:11:24pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:12:30pm

re: #229 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

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This is a big problem. The Senate bill brings the normal corporate rate down to 20 percent — while leaving the alternative minimum rate at … 20 percent. The legislation would still allow corporations to claim a wide variety of tax credits and deductions — it just renders all them completely worthless. Companies can either take no deductions, and pay a 20 percent rate — or take lots of deductions … and pay a 20 percent rate.

With this blunder, Senate Republicans have achieved the unthinkable: They’ve written a giant corporate tax cut that many of their corporate donors do not like

Beautiful politics there Mitch. You incompetent old asshole. I hope there are other big screw ups in that quickly scribbled together bill.

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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:12:53pm

re: #245 makeitstop

Interesting a new poll says abortion isn’t really high up on the reason people aren’t switching from Moore to Jones. The top reason seems to be his personal history (10%), other/general dislike (36%), or “unsure” (27%). Via Huffington

The personal history one is “interesting” since Jones is best known in the state for being the prosecutor who put away Klan members after a church bombing. For what it’s worth.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:14:14pm

re: #213 Hecuba’s daughter

They don’t care as long as it’s girls. BUT being involved with boys or even adult men would be the death knell for a Republican candidate in Alabama. And I suspect if he were involved with a 10 year girl, that might not sit well with his constituents.

Only if he was caught in bed with her. Otherwise its “fake news.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:14:29pm

re: #253 KGxvi

Interesting a new poll says abortion isn’t really high up on the reason people aren’t switching from Moore to Jones. The top reason seems to be his personal history (10%), other/general dislike (36%), or “unsure” (27%). Via Huffington

The personal history one is “interesting” since Jones is best known in the state for being the prosecutor who put away Klan members after a church bombing. For what it’s worth.

Jones’ personal history would have me wanting to win against Moore even if he was sane and not a creep.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:14:46pm

re: #252 ObserverArt

What I don’t understand here is the existence of a corporate AMT in the first place. Some bigcorps (GE, IIRC) are notorious for have zero federal tax liability each and every year. How is this possible if there really were a corporate AMT in place?

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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:14:57pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

Most likely a typo, LA Weekly’s office is just off the 405 south of Westwood, so not sure it’s carpetbagging. I have driven past it a bunch of times.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:14:58pm

re: #254 Big Beautiful Door

Only if he was caught in bed with her. Otherwise its “fake news.”

Edwin Edwards said it bust- Live boy or dead girl.

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allegro  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:15:37pm

re: #253 KGxvi

Interesting a new poll says abortion isn’t really high up on the reason people aren’t switching from Moore to Jones. The top reason seems to be his personal history (10%), other/general dislike (36%), or “unsure” (27%). Via Huffington

The personal history one is “interesting” since Jones is best known in the state for being the prosecutor who put away Klan members after a church bombing. For what it’s worth.

Folks get testy when Pa and Grandpa go to jail.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:15:55pm

re: #253 KGxvi

Interesting a new poll says abortion isn’t really high up on the reason people aren’t switching from Moore to Jones. The top reason seems to be his personal history (10%), other/general dislike (36%), or “unsure” (27%). Via Huffington

The personal history one is “interesting” since Jones is best known in the state for being the prosecutor who put away Klan members after a church bombing. For what it’s worth.

That personal history is precisely why many AL Republicans would be especially reluctant to desert the GOP in favor of Jones.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:15:57pm

re: #257 KGxvi

Most likely a typo, LA Weekly’s office is just off the 405 south of Westwood, so not sure it’s carpetbagging. I have driven past it a bunch of times.

The new owners are from out of town, I believe.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:17:07pm

re: #260 Blind Frog Belly White

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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:17:57pm

re: #262 makeitstop

The new owners are from out of town, I believe.

Ah, that might make more sense. Used to read OC Weekly a lot because it was packed with ads for small venue concerts back in the day. Never read LA Weekly all that much because I was much more an OC kid at the time, and then the internet happened. Though they were always nice to flip through while grabbing lunch (free mags).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:17:59pm

re: #257 KGxvi

Most likely a typo, LA Weekly’s office is just off the 405 south of Westwood, so not sure it’s carpetbagging. I have driven past it a bunch of times.

pretty sure when Keith said “carpetbaggers” he was referring to the new owners.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:18:13pm

Jones really is the kind of person that has me in the legal field. And it’s honestly why I can’t give someone a simple pass for their generation and place of upbringing too. Jones knew to transcend his upbringing.

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mmmirele  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:18:54pm

re: #213 Hecuba’s daughter

They don’t care as long as it’s girls. BUT being involved with boys or even adult men would be the death knell for a Republican candidate in Alabama. And I suspect if he were involved with a 10 year girl, that might not sit well with his constituents.

Louisiana governor Edwin Edwards was quoted in 1983 as saying, “”The only way I can lose this election is if I’m caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy.”

I’m thinking his quip applies to Roy Moore.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:20:21pm

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

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KGxvi  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:21:36pm

re: #265 Backwoods_Sleuth

pretty sure when Keith said “carpetbaggers” he was referring to the new owners.

hadn’t realize that both OC Weekly and LA Weekly had been sold. Shame, as I said above, they were always decent reads, even when I was more right leaning in my libertarianism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:23:03pm

re: #269 KGxvi

hadn’t realize that both OC Weekly and LA Weekly had been sold. Shame, as I said above, they were always decent reads, even when I was more right leaning in my libertarianism.

not just sold (which by itself would not necessarily be a bad thing) but they fired everyone and changing the focus to right wing/conservative.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:23:25pm

re: #268 William Lewis

I’d almost be tempted to join twitter just to ask him if I can teach him the good news of Christ Jesus since his life shows he doesn’t know Him.

I may not be religious at all but I really don’t have a problem with the religion in itself but my problem is when scumbags like Moore and Graham use it as a tool to divide and hate. Graham used his pulpit timelessly to denounce Obama but he does nothing but kiss right wing ass. He ain’t nothing but a right wing hack.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:23:34pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:24:57pm

heads up Observer Art:

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Jim Jordan = Freedom Caucus

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:28:04pm

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jim Jordan = Freedom Caucus

Like I said. They could totally screw the pooch here.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:28:23pm

This is a fascinating watch.

The Nixon Answer: Southern Town Hall

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BigPapa  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:30:59pm

MSNBC gave the cretinous slimeballs a victory. Trolls shit over everything they touch.

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I got a text message from the Ohio Democratic Party about that about 10 minutes before it got going.

I will read up on it later, maybe find some video. I am watching something else and making dinner too. Busy day…

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:43:52pm

This happening in Hamilton is totally and completely unsurprising to me. The victim here was a good Samaritan breaking up a fight.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:44:32pm

re: #260 Blind Frog Belly White

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I think you could call that a Phallic Victory, named for Phallus, the great leader of the Romans.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:45:37pm

re: #272 Barefoot Grin

Twitter has to die.

Twitter Delenda Est.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:48:19pm

re: #242 Charles Johnson

Cernovich is now trying to use the same out-of context smear campaign against Michael Ian Black.

Conservatives have always at least pretended to be oblivious to context. It’s one of their defects.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:49:34pm

re: #283 A dark and stormy covfefe

This happening in Hamilton is totally and completely unsurprising to me. The victim here was a good Samaritan breaking up a fight.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:49:55pm

re: #174 Ace-o-aces

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“Trad” = “Traditional” = Barefoot and pregnant. Women should know better than to support the people who want mindless incubators.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:50:50pm

I’m hearing rumors now that MSNBC may fire Joy Reid too.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:51:57pm

re: #283 A dark and stormy covfefe

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plansbandc  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:52:05pm

re: #291 Charles Johnson

Shit.

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nines09  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:52:25pm

True? WTF knows…But since Johnny Ambien chirped……
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#UnfollowMcCain

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Stanley Sea  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:52:45pm

I could never, ever ever.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:52:57pm

re: #291 Charles Johnson

I’m hearing rumors now that MSNBC may fire Joy Reid too.

They’re owned by wealthy people, who are probably happy for an excuse to marginalize the left.

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BigPapa  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:53:51pm

re: #291 Charles Johnson

I’m hearing rumors now that MSNBC may fire Joy Reid too.

The trolls are taking over. Fuck the world.

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nines09  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:55:26pm

re: #295 Stanley Sea

That’s not bad. They got there.

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darthstar  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:55:29pm

McCain’s now 21K below 3M
socialblade.com

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:55:57pm

re: #291 Charles Johnson

I’m hearing rumors now that MSNBC may fire Joy Reid too.

I would imagine Comcast would be pushing for that. Joy is very opinionated and she can be really in your face. I bet there would be push to make that happen. Sadly.

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darthstar  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:56:36pm

Fox does math.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:58:08pm

re: #163 Stanley Sea

Because Trump is a liar. Nothing he says can be taken at face value.

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darthstar  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:58:29pm

So Manafort has violated the conditions of his bail. I so hope he doesn’t get to be in home confinement. A jail cell would be so much better for him.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:58:31pm

re: #301 darthstar

Fox does math.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:58:36pm

re: #301 darthstar

Fox does math.

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I won’t believe it until every ballot is counted and the election is certified. Even with their bad math.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:58:38pm

re: #291 Charles Johnson

I’m hearing rumors now that MSNBC may fire Joy Reid too.

I was afraid that might happen.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2017 • 4:58:46pm

re: #295 Stanley Sea

I could never, ever ever.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:00:54pm

re: #305 Ace Rothstein

I won’t believe it until every ballot is counted and the election is certified. Even with their bad math.

You won’t believe that addition under any circumstances.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:01:41pm

re: #307 ObserverArt

Awww, you don’t know what you’re missing if you don’t get to experience a good blizzard.

And, it leaves behind a lot of water!

A blizzard like that is hella fun if you’re confident in your driving and the roads are otherwise empty.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:03:50pm

re: #309 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

A blizzard like that is hella fun if you’re confident in your driving and the roads are otherwise empty.

Or if you’re a few floors up and have nowhere to go…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:05:06pm

re: #301 darthstar

Fox does math.

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But we already knew that.

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The Major  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:06:21pm

re: #13 Citizen K

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:07:43pm

re: #309 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

A blizzard like that is hella fun if you’re confident in your driving and the roads are otherwise empty.

I agree. And yes I have been in that kind of a blizzard. I love driving in the snow, especially if the roads are lightly traveled.

One of the reasons I love standard transmission and dedicated winter tires on my FWD German cars. My current Rabbit has a little anti-slip to keep from spinning the tires if need be too.

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VegasGolfer  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:08:17pm

re: #301 darthstar

Fox does math.

These go to 11.mpg

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mmmirele  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:08:50pm

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:11:00pm

re: #315 mmmirele

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The Major  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:13:04pm

re: #313 ObserverArt

One of the reasons I love standard transmission and dedicated winter tires on my FWD German cars. My current Rabbit has a little anti-slip to keep from spinning the tires if need be too.

I had a 2009 Prius Model 6 touring (named Katsumi) - great car, but horrible in the snow. And it’s traction control was twitchy as hell. I then bought a 2016 RAV 4 (named Baotu) which was way better.

And now I’m leasing a Subaru 2018 Forester Touring (named Aramaki) - and Toyota should be fucking ashamed of themselves - The Subaru just destroys the RAV4 in every way imaginable…

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:13:42pm

re: #300 ObserverArt

I would imagine Comcast would be pushing for that. Joy is very opinionated and she can be really in your face. I bet there would be push to make that happen. Sadly.

Seems to me that massive protest and response kept Lawrence on at 10 (I believe they wanted to move his show but his contract said 10 or nothing.) Time to fire up the emails and tweet if you twitter to defend Joy.

Oh, and I chuckled when I saw HBOs schedule for tonight:
Newsman, The life and times of Ben Bradlee
followed by
All the President’s Men

Heh

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The Major  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:19:50pm

re: #283 A dark and stormy covfefe

Go big or go home, I say….

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The Major  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:22:19pm

re: #318 BeachDem

AT least in Detroit there’s some cable competition between WOW and Comcast. And in other areas, there IS no competition.

Perhaps we need to break up the cable monopolies like Justice Green did to AT&T….And this time, we make these things STAY THAT FUCKING WAY…

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:25:18pm

re: #318 BeachDem

Watched ATPM Saturday night for probably the 200th time. Tonight I’l make it the 201st. Never gets old.

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stpaulbear  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:25:47pm

re: #295 Stanley Sea

I could never, ever ever.

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I’d rather deal with snow than freezing rain. We rarely get that in MN. I hate driving on ice.

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fern01  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:27:29pm

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

My idiot neighbor: “Trump’s not that bad. Hitler was way worse.”

Early times to be saying that.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:29:19pm

re: #322 stpaulbear

It was in the 50’s when I left work this evening. Tomorrow morning it’s going to be 18 and windy as all get-out. It started raining about an hour ago and it’s starting to sound like sleet hitting my roof. We’re only supposed to get about 2-3” here. I’ve got new tires on my car so driving isn’t going to be a big hassle as long as the forecast holds up.

I’d rather deal with snow than freezing rain. We rarely get that in MN. I hate driving on ice.

Ice is absolutely no fun. Tomorrow’s commute will probably be 15 different kinds of hell, but hey, snow! And then I’ll be flying into the tropics for a week and a half!

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:31:29pm

re: #317 The Major

My late dad had a Subaru Forrester and he loved it. It drove through practically everything.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:32:23pm

re: #326 PhillyPretzel

My late dad had a Subaru Forrester and he loved it. It drove through practically everything.

The one complaint I have about the Sonic, over my old Malibu, is the thing really just does not do snow well. Thankfully, Mrs. Fish’s big heavy boat is heavier than normal with loads of kids’ clothes in the trunk, which will give her a major assist in tomorrow’s snow.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:33:16pm

Just think—In 9 days, no Alabama candidates will be dragging around a sack of sex-n-politics.

Fooled ‘ya.

Troy King raises $132,000 in new bid for attorney general

Mr King was our AG once before, and became famous for a deluge of mail-in dildos when he tried to enforce a ban on the sale of sex toys.

al.com

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:33:57pm

re: #327 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Put as much as you can in that trunk. That should help with getting some traction.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:34:44pm

re: #297 BigPapa

The trolls are taking over. Fuck the world.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:35:01pm

re: #329 PhillyPretzel

Put as much as you can in that trunk. That should help with getting some traction.

She’s got plenty of weight. My little 2400 lb Sonic, well, there’s just no helping that poor FWD girl. I pretty much rely on my electronic stability control to get anywhere in the winter. I got pretty good at it by the end of last winter, though.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:35:26pm

re: #291 Charles Johnson

I’m hearing rumors now that MSNBC may fire Joy Reid too.

Time to tweet “I love Joy Reid” to MSNBC?

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:39:31pm

Observer Art—YAY (you should roll around Grove City and find the right restaurant!)

Richard Cordray, a Democrat whose resignation as head of the U.S. consumer bureau last month triggered a political battle over who should replace him, plans to run for governor of Ohio, an advisor said on Monday.

Cordray will make the announcement at an event on Tuesday at a restaurant in his home town of Grove City, Ohio, said the advisor, who asked to remain anonymous. Cordray will later tour Ohio, meeting with Democratic activists, community leaders and voters, the advisor said.

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Edit—no need to wander around “the groove;” It’s going to be at Lilly’s Kitchen Table

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:42:13pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:42:15pm

If Joy Reid doesn’t become a Pariah.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:44:25pm

re: #333 BeachDem

Observer Art—YAY (you should roll around Grove City and find the right restaurant!)

Richard Cordray, a Democrat whose resignation as head of the U.S. consumer bureau last month triggered a political battle over who should replace him, plans to run for governor of Ohio, an advisor said on Monday.

Cordray will make the announcement at an event on Tuesday at a restaurant in his home town of Grove City, Ohio, said the advisor, who asked to remain anonymous. Cordray will later tour Ohio, meeting with Democratic activists, community leaders and voters, the advisor said.

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Great news. I bet it is Plank’s…one of the oldest and most well-liked bar/restaurants in downtown Grove City.

He’s late to the debates they are having, but I think he shoots to the front of the field quickly anyway.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:45:55pm

When you lie down with dogs.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:46:59pm

re: #334 teleskiguy

Frank Zappa died 24 years ago today. I miss him. He would have wielded an effective sword against the madness today.

Hunter S. Thompson.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:47:34pm

re: #339 Decatur Deb

Hunter S. Thompson.

George Carlin.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:47:37pm

re: #338 DodgerFan1988

I guess they can soon petition Roy Moore with their grievances.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:48:28pm

re: #338 DodgerFan1988

When you lie down with dogs.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:49:06pm

re: #340 teleskiguy

George Carlin.

Lenny Bruce.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:49:20pm

re: #338 DodgerFan1988

When you lie down with dogs.

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Maybe we will get an alt-right women’s movement going and part of their stance will be no sexual relations with alt-right men.

Heh.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:50:28pm

re: #344 Decatur Deb

Lenny Bruce.

He was the opening act for The Mothers of Invention at their first concerts in 1966.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:51:08pm

re: #345 ObserverArt

Maybe we will get an alt-right women’s movement going and part of their stance will be no sexual relations with alt-right men.

Heh.

I’d bet most alt-right men don’t get laid all that much in the first place.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:51:49pm

re: #347 makeitstop

I’d bet most alt-right men don’t get laid all that much in the first place.

They’re either virgins or rapists.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:52:12pm

these people…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:52:17pm

re: #347 makeitstop

I’d bet most alt-right men don’t get laid all that much in the first place.

Two words: “Red Pill”.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:53:23pm

re: #345 ObserverArt

Maybe we will get an alt-right women’s movement going and part of their stance will be no sexual relations with alt-right men.

Heh.

Reminds of when Ben Shapiro took issue with the Alt-Right over their anti-semitism. But other than that he shared their same views on blacks, women, and homosexuals.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:53:46pm

re: #346 teleskiguy

He was the opening act for The Mothers of Invention at their first concerts in 1966.

Should have been pretty burned out by then.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:54:37pm

re: #334 teleskiguy

Today makes the start of the annual celebration of Zappadan, beginning the day Frank passed and concluding later this month on the day of his birth.

Still have treasured memories of seeing Frank live on the day of the high school prom. Seeing Frank was much more important that a dull boring prom…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:54:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:54:39pm

re: #338 DodgerFan1988

When you lie down with dogs.

They were told these guys were sexist pigs. No sympathy here.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:55:29pm

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

these people…

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:55:38pm

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:56:38pm

If time travel were a thing I would travel back in time to see Zappa’s Garrick Theater concerts in New York City in 1968. The wackiest shit went down at those gigs.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:56:51pm

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:58:43pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:59:26pm

re: #347 makeitstop

I’d bet most alt-right men don’t get laid all that much in the first place.

I know…but having it as an organizational statement would just be beautiful since it pretty much puts on ice the alt-right/men’s rights BS. Even their own like-minded women won’t have them. Great thing they got going there.

Snort!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 5:59:59pm

re: #360 FormerDirtDart

Party above all else.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:00:09pm

re: #360 FormerDirtDart

.@GuardianUS can confirm that RNC is back in Alabama on behalf of Roy Moore

Angel of the Lord must have told them it’s all cool, now.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:00:18pm
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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:03:12pm

re: #337 ObserverArt

Great news. I bet it is Plank’s…one of the oldest and most well-liked bar/restaurants in downtown Grove City.

He’s late to the debates they are having, but I think he shoots to the front of the field quickly anyway.

Added to my comment (as always, a day late and a dollar short)

Lilly’s Kitchen Table

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:04:32pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:04:42pm
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:04:44pm

Party of Rewarding Domestic Abuse

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See part of Martha Mitchell’s account here:
thexofffiles.blogspot.com

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Cheechako  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:07:49pm

re: #354 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:08:54pm

re: #367 Charles Johnson

He wants to be the new Breitbart.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:09:06pm

Guess what folks? Sometimes you have to say “So?” The left is going to let itself get destroyed because it want thinks that it will win by staying pure.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:11:59pm

Facebook Post

Reminds me of something HG Wells said in a letter to the Times at the height of the London blitz in 1940. The paper had run an editorial decrying the country’s lack of preparedness for aerial warfare. Citing his 1907 story “The War in the Air ” (in which then science-fictional German aircraft had razed London to the ground) Wells said, “I tried to warn you, you goddamn fools.”

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:12:06pm

This is the shit that gets me really depressed these days. Bad faith idiot monsters like Mike Cernovich seem to be winning way too much, and they’re getting rich being horrible people.

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:12:47pm

re: #367 Charles Johnson

If they manage to take down Joy Reid, it’ll underscore the fact that there’s simply no right-wing hack too unbelievable for them. They’ll always be given instant credibility and credulity simply by dint of being a ‘not a Democrat’. There’s simply no hope of breakthrough because you will always be treated as untrustworthy unless you hate Dems as a default.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:13:37pm

re: #372 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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Oh? It’s not fair? You were warned about Trump.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:13:54pm

re: #375 teleskiguy

Must have been a memo from the top.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:14:49pm

re: #374 Citizen K

If they manage to take down Joy Reid, it’ll underscore the fact that there’s simply no right-wing hack too unbelievable for them. They’ll always be given instant credibility and credulity simply by dint of being a ‘not a Democrat’. There’s simply no hope of breakthrough because you will always be treated as untrustworthy unless you hate Dems as a default.

Joy getting fired and Moore getting the Senate seat would really disallude me about the world.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:15:05pm

All of the information on Cernovich has been out there for years, but MSNBC still does his bidding and penalizes decent people at his command. Sometimes I think I’m living in an ongoing nightmare.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:15:58pm

re: #377 jaunte

Must have been a memo from the top.

How dare he criticize the man who trashed the FBI repeatedly? Look our Lumpy, Jesse wants Trumps balls on his face too.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:16:15pm

re: #372 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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Reminds me of something HG Wells said in a letter to the Times at the height of the London blitz in 1940. The paper had run an editorial decrying the country’s lack of preparedness for aerial warfare. Citing his 1907 story “The War in the Air ” (in which then science-fictional German aircraft had razed London to the ground) Wells said, “I tried to warn you, you goddamn fools.”

They will still support Trump and the GOP because “F*ck Immigrants” and “F*ck Muslims!”

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plansbandc  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:16:21pm

re: #379 Charles Johnson

You are. We all are.

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BigPapa  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:16:43pm

We have the internet Brown Shirt Trolls running roughing everybody else up and the stuffy State TV pushing out state propaganda from the top.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:17:12pm

re: #379 Charles Johnson

All of the information on Cernovich has been out there for years, but MSNBC still does his bidding and penalizes decent people at his command. Sometimes I think I’m living in an ongoing nightmare.

It’s even more messed up that parts of the left helped him since Joy dared to criticize Bernie.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:17:57pm
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nowherenorth2  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:18:54pm

re: #340 teleskiguy

Bill hicks if that wasnt said

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:19:05pm
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:19:06pm
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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:20:04pm

I don’t do Twitter, but if I did I’d start tweeting all of Cernovich’s bad shit at MSNBC.

Play his fucking game and tear him down. He’s said enough sketchy shit. We should use it against him.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:21:22pm

re: #389 makeitstop

I don’t do Twitter, but if I did I’d start tweeting all of Cernovich’s bad shit at MSNBC.

Play his fucking game and tear him down. He’s said enough sketchy shit. We should use it against him.

He’s published entire books and made drunken posts about them.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:22:10pm

cernovichleaks.com

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:22:44pm

re: #379 Charles Johnson

All of the information on Cernovich has been out there for years, but MSNBC still does his bidding and penalizes decent people at his command. Sometimes I think I’m living in an ongoing nightmare.

Our system truly does reward those acting in bad faith and punishes those who show good faith. It’s a cynical, broken system that continues to reward assholes precisely because their assholes and treats admittance of flaw as proof of guilt.

The only solution is a race to the bottom where everyone screws each other. Nice guys finish last because somehow assholishness and projection have been exalted into virtues.

It’s a fucking Cassandra-esque nightmare.

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freetoken  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:22:47pm

re: #373 Charles Johnson

When Trump attacks the “media” I for one do not believe the “media” really mind. At least the big corporate media.

They all benefit by de-fanging the FCC. They all benefit by huge tax cuts.

I have no reason to believe the Comcast/NBCU has any higher ground to stand on than Trump. Remember, for years Trump made them money, they still wanted him to host Apprentice even after revelations about Trump.

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BigPapa  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:22:52pm

It’s pretty clear we’re at an inflection point. This shit will be decided in 1-2 election cycles.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:23:01pm

TIme for a food break. The famous Garlic Chiken & Fries from Dino’s on Pico Avenue in Los Angeles!

Famous Dino’s Chicken, Fries & Slaw!
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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:23:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:23:39pm

re: #396 Joe Bacon 🌹

TIme for a food break. The famous Garlic Chiken & Fries from Dino’s on Pico Avenue in Los Angeles!

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Looks good!

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:24:17pm

re: #392 teleskiguy

cernovichleaks.com

Jeezuz. The opening video is bad enough…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:25:29pm

It goes again lot of what I stand for but I think it’s time to play hardball with these guys.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:25:41pm

Cernovich is the millennial Stone. He won’t go away.

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Frenchy  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:27:12pm

re: #388 jaunte

It’s just like all the R’s who publicly dropped Trump after the pussy tape, then gradually all came crawling back as soon as Trump started rising in the polls again.

They always come back to the guy with the (R) behind his name, doesn’t matter how rotten.

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:27:21pm

re: #374 Citizen K

If they manage to take down Joy Reid, it’ll underscore the fact that there’s simply no right-wing hack too unbelievable for them. They’ll always be given instant credibility and credulity simply by dint of being a ‘not a Democrat’. There’s simply no hope of breakthrough because you will always be treated as untrustworthy unless you hate Dems as a default.

And I feel compelled to post:

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:29:29pm

Remember the Republicans talking point about “protecting the children” from homosexuals.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:29:39pm

re: #403 BeachDem

And I feel compelled to post:

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Favorited. That is fucking awesome.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:31:06pm

re: #406 teleskiguy

What … dafuq.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:32:16pm

re: #406 teleskiguy

I hate these dipshits so much.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:32:36pm

I’ve pretty much given up on MSNBC now.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:33:01pm

re: #407 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Kind of weird how he perpetuates rape culture when he’s admitted on video to this:

Iframe

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:33:55pm

All our literate Dems are going for Doug Jones.

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meteor  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:34:46pm

re: #389 makeitstop

Yes

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:35:00pm

re: #411 Decatur Deb

All our literate Dems are going for Doug Jones.

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That’s great but y’all need a majority.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:35:47pm

re: #413 HappyWarrior

That’s great but y’all need a majority.

We rely on the kindness of strangers.

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freetoken  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:36:16pm

re: #413 HappyWarrior

That’s great but y’all need a majority.

And it appears the majority are not very literate.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:36:48pm

re: #397 Charles Johnson

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It is a bad day and there will be others.

I get strength from watching that video of the protests out in Utah. And seeing an article about Trump voters feeling duped.

More and more people will see this for what it is and Trump will make more missteps like his tweets over the weekend.

It is a slow build, but it has some of the same feel as Nixon now. He has collusion to worry about as he builds his own case for obstruction.

I get the feeling he is not good under pressure and he really isn’t under that much pressure yet.

Nixon lost it, and Trump is no Nixon. He is a crook and he isn’t adept at politics.

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TedStriker  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:37:49pm

re: #415 freetoken

And it appears the majority is not very literate.

Which is to say, prime GOP fodder.

Jones is doing much better than he probably would under “normal” circumstances, but it’ll still take an early Christmas miracle and a fair amount of luck to pull this out.

The GOP only has to be lucky some of the time, but the Democrats have to be lucky all of the time.

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TedStriker  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:39:00pm

re: #414 Decatur Deb

We rely on the kindness of strangers.

Scarlett, is that you?

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:39:25pm

re: #392 teleskiguy

cernovichleaks.com

Now I need a fuckin’ shower.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:41:09pm

re: #418 TedStriker

Scarlett, is that you?

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No, that would be: “As God is my witness, I’ll never vote pedophile again.”

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:41:30pm

re: #418 TedStriker

Scarlett, is that you?

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I Blanche at that insult.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:42:36pm

re: #421 BeachDem

I Blanche at that insult.

“Go see what duBoise in the back room are having.”

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allegro  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:44:11pm

re: #422 Decatur Deb

“Go see what duBoise in the back room are having.”

Stella Artois

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BeachDem  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:44:50pm

re: #422 Decatur Deb

“Go see what duBoise in the back room are having.”

“Well, honey, a shot never does a coke any harm!”

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:45:09pm

re: #423 allegro

Stella Artois

That could have been a contender.

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teleskiguy  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:46:42pm

If I were this snowboarder, I’d give up on the platter lift.

Facebook Video

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:47:24pm
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TedStriker  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:49:05pm

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Of course the RNC is, because they’re playing to win at all costs, despite how skeezy Moore is.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:52:56pm

re: #427 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yep make em own this.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:54:11pm

re: #427 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It really seems women on the left are thinking a lot differently about things than some men of the left. They seemed to be more reasoned and nuanced. Men are judging more harshly.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:57:04pm

This heavy metal music made by a machine will rock your human face off

An artificial intelligence recently released a death metal album created entirely by algorithms. This isn’t the first time someone’s programmed a machine to create new music. But this time is different. Because it’s actually quite good. And that’s pretty spooky.

DADABOTS’ debut album was created, musically, by a neural-network studying the work of a human metal band called Krallice. Basically the AI listened to all the sounds it was fed and started trying to guess what more of the same would sound like it. It did this a few million times before it was able to create its own original work.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:57:21pm

re: #431 ObserverArt

It really seems women on the left are thinking a lot differently about things than some men of the left. They seemed to be more reasoned and nuanced. Men are judging more harshly.

I was once told by a retired judge that it was always instructive to watch which crimes that a given judge came down hardest on. 99% of the time, he claimed, that was the crime the judge felt most tempted by in his own life. I’d suggest that is what the men are fearing here.

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danarchy  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:59:24pm

re: #429 FormerDirtDart

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Are we sure that isn’t a TIE fighter?

That’s no moon. It’s a space station.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2017 • 6:59:25pm

re: #409 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve pretty much given up on MSNBC now.

Which is how they get to go more right. It’s voting with your remote.

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ObserverArt  Dec 4, 2017 • 7:00:19pm

re: #433 William Lewis

I was once told by a retired judge that it was always instructive to watch which crimes that a give judge came down hardest on. 99% of the time, he claimed, that was the crime the judge felt most tempted by in his own life. I’d suggest that is what the men are fearing here.

It explains Cowboy Roy Moore too. All about the morality ‘cuz he has none.

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Sea Mexican!  Dec 4, 2017 • 7:02:59pm

Changing subjects abruptly …

There are things I try to refuse the possibilities. I saw jaunte’s comment yesterday, and some wheels started spinning… I refuse to believe my hunch is true… but … Morovis’ mayor is from the opposition party of governor Ricky Rosselló. Carmen Yulín Cruz is from the opposition party too. Hormigueros, San Germán, Mayagüez have mayors from the opposition party. All these mayors have railed against the state government for being to slow.

San Juan and Mayagüez are both in unique positions. Mayagüez is a PPD bastion, a strong economical center, and wields strong political power in the area. San Juan is nominally a PNP bastion, but whoever is in power gains a strong influence. It it easier for them to bypass the state government. Morovis doesn’t have either. It’s disheartening.

Then there’s the tax bill that will kill whatever is left of PR’s economy. Already Carmen Yulín is making the rounds around the US speaking against the bill. Lo and behold, the official PR representative in the House of the US Congress, Jennifer Gonzalez, is in favor of this bill. She’s rightfully getting hammered by local analysts (Sorry, it’s in Spanish). This makes me want to scream my lungs out. Our economy is in the brink of collapse (with some municipalities’ economies effectively destroyed), and all Gonzalez cares is getting statehood???

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2017 • 7:04:14pm

Consideration and nuance requires discussions that offenders and sympathizers would prefer unspoken.

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allegro  Dec 4, 2017 • 7:15:31pm

I don’t know exactly what Seder tweeted that was the stated reason for him being fired. However, if Seder wrote it, he is the only one responsible for that. It was in public with his name on it. As we say here so often, no one is due a platform and MSNBC has the right to give or deny as they choose.

THIS is what I was worried about with the sudden zero tolerance and the demands that any infraction of what are now new standards (for today anyway, I don’t expect it to last) of behavior and speech without any sense of proportion. How many discussions of exactly this have we had here of late? It bites both ways and we know how well and quickly the right can weaponize and organize.

Yes, Seder joked about it, Moore did it. These things are not the same. Of course they aren’t yet how many on the left make them equivalent every damned day with demands that our own guys resign on a whiff of what we are *today* calling misbehavior? I’ve heard rape jokes all my life. We all have. Now we have grown more sensitive to them but it’s been a real recent development that started on the left with recognition that cavalier jokes about rape perpetuates rape culture. We know the right doesn’t share this attitude but they sure know how to weaponize it and hoist us on our own purity petard.

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Sea Mexican!  Dec 4, 2017 • 7:21:12pm

re: #437 Sea Mexican!

Just edited it: Left a thought hanging. The mayors I mentioned have all criticized the state government during the crisis.

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nowherenorth2  Dec 4, 2017 • 7:27:37pm

re: #432 Amory Blaine

Krallice is pretty awesome tbh

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Bass Reeves  Dec 4, 2017 • 7:29:19pm

re: #439 allegro

I don’t know exactly what Seder tweeted that was the stated reason for him being fired. However, if Seder wrote it, he is the only one responsible for that. It was in public with his name on it. As we say here so often, no one is due a platform and MSNBC has the right to give or deny as they choose.

THIS is what I was worried about with the sudden zero tolerance and the demands that any infraction of what are now new standards (for today anyway, I don’t expect it to last) of behavior and speech without any sense of proportion. How many discussions of exactly this have we had here of late? It bites both ways and we know how well and quickly the right can weaponize and organize.

Yes, Seder joked about it, Moore did it. These things are not the same. Of course they aren’t yet how many on the left make them equivalent every damned day with demands that our own guys resign on a whiff of what we are *today* calling misbehavior? I’ve heard rape jokes all my life. We all have. Now we have grown more sensitive to them but it’s been a real recent development that started on the left with recognition that cavalier jokes about rape perpetuates rape culture. We know the right doesn’t share this attitude but they sure know how to weaponize it and hoist us on our own purity petard.

I get what you are trying to say, but fundamental comparison doesn’t match up. Seder wasn’t joking about pedophilia, he was mocking people being apologists for a pedophile. He wasn’t perpetuating anything. So basically Moore is getting endorsed for a behavior that Seder got fired for condemning.

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nowherenorth2  Dec 4, 2017 • 7:29:22pm

re: #432 Amory Blaine

Sorry man. Writing a metal review for a website. They are one of the bands I like

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2017 • 7:33:20pm

re: #444 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kellyanne Conway says she was with Trump “all day” Saturday.

Every time he went to the bathroom.

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Cheechako  Dec 4, 2017 • 7:34:54pm

re: #446 jaunte

Every time he went to the bathroom.

I wonder if “Bathroom Duty” is rotated between her and Kelly?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 4, 2017 • 7:36:12pm

re: #444 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why would they pick someone known for lying to people’s faces to provide the alibi? It’s like they don’t want to be believed.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2017 • 7:36:54pm

Manafort is apparently a pretty smart guy. Could he possibly be this oblivious to the concept of consequences?

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allegro  Dec 4, 2017 • 7:39:02pm

re: #442 Bass Reeves

I get what you are trying to say, but fundamental comparison doesn’t match up. Seder wasn’t joking about pedophilia, he was mocking people being apologists for a pedophile. He wasn’t perpetuating anything. So basically Moore is getting endorsed for a behavior that Seder got fired for condemning.

As I said, I don’t know what he said that got him fired. I thought I saw something about him making a Polansky rape joke. Regardless, my point was not that these are equivalent, which I why I stated clearly, I thought, that they most certainly weren’t. It’s that when WE go scorched earth zero tolerance on our own with no sense of proportion then we are handing them the weapon and begging them to stab us with it. We know they aren’t going to turn it on themselves regardless of how egregious the behavior. This is exactly what we’re seeing now .

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Interesting Times  Dec 4, 2017 • 7:40:59pm

Paging Decatur Deb - how true is this?

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 4, 2017 • 7:41:08pm

This is what kills me about this situation.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 4, 2017 • 7:48:17pm

Meanwhile yesterday and today Israel is bombing the crap out of Syria, including Damascus suburbs. Pushing back on Iran. thedrive.com

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2017 • 7:57:24pm

re: #454 FormerDirtDart

Because David Duke actually cares about rape jokes.

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