Russian Lawyer Confirms: Trump Jr. Lied, He DID Seek Damaging Info on Hillary Clinton

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Here’s the proof that what we’ve suspected for months was actually true: Donald Trump Jr. has been lying about the reason for his 2016 meeting with a Russian lawyer tied to the Kremlin. He was trying to get damaging information on Hillary Clinton to benefit his horrible father’s campaign: Donald Trump Jr. asked Russian lawyer for info on Clinton Foundation.

Donald Trump Jr. asked a Russian lawyer at the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting whether she had evidence of illegal donations to the Clinton Foundation, the lawyer told the Senate Judiciary Committee in answers to written questions obtained exclusively by NBC News.

The lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, told the committee that she didn’t have any such evidence, and that she believes Trump misunderstood the nature of the meeting after receiving emails from a music promoter promising incriminating information on Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump’s Democratic opponent.

Once it became apparent that she did not have meaningful information about Clinton, Trump seemed to lose interest, Veselnitskaya said, and the meeting petered out.

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electrotek  Dec 5, 2017 • 3:28:06pm

Any possibility of ending the year with Trump being impeached? One can only hope!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 5, 2017 • 3:32:01pm

A music promoter? JFC.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2017 • 3:35:39pm

Lol now according to the “common sense conservative”, Flynn is a Democrat which is technically true, Obama administration official again technically true but he was fired by Obama and Obama specifically warned against hiring him. Oh conservatives, you’d make Stalin proud with your revisionism.

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2017 • 3:36:35pm

Dumbest first family ever.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 5, 2017 • 3:38:27pm

Looks like Jr lied to Senate investigators. He wasn’t under oath but it would still be a crime.

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2017 • 3:38:46pm
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austin_blue  Dec 5, 2017 • 3:38:59pm

re: #4 jaunte

Dumbest first family ever.

Indeed! A whole passel of idjits.

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majii  Dec 5, 2017 • 3:39:02pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

“Oh conservatives, you’d make Stalin proud with your revisionism.”

What Flynn is above all else is a self-promoter. He has no enduring political affiliation and is more than willing to do anything and align himself with anyone who can put money into his bank accounts.

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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2017 • 3:39:16pm

re: #5 goddamnedfrank

Looks like Jr lied to Senate investigators. He wasn’t under oath but it would still be a crime.

The president, er the president’s son, cannot obstruct justice

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2017 • 3:39:25pm

re: #1 electrotek

Any possibility of ending the year with Trump being impeached? One can only hope!

I doubt it. This is still building as we have seen today. I’m thinking Mueller goes on into late spring early summer before he puts out his findings. I think today’s news about the banking subpoena shows it is getting higher up now and is shifting to looking into Trump. I think everything prior is work to get to this level.

I do think though, 2018 will bring a different way that America views Trump overall. I think the majority of America grows suspicious and that will cause the Republican party to be forced to leave him hanging on his own as they scramble to save their own butts in the fall elections.

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2017 • 3:40:35pm

re: #4 jaunte

Dumbest first family ever.

Junior’s just a dumb son of a bitch with money, just like Dear Old Dad.

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2017 • 3:42:27pm
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 5, 2017 • 3:45:19pm

re: #9 KGxvi

The president, er the president’s son, cannot obstruct justice

… Fredo lives on the planet Endor, now think about it, that does not make sense.

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2017 • 3:46:47pm

re: #6 jaunte

Robert Mueller is “PULLING” Manafort bail deal due to his contact with Russian Intelligence.

Damn well better make him sit in jail, too.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 5, 2017 • 3:49:35pm

re: #14 makeitstop

Damn well better make him sit in jail, too.

Only fair.

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2017 • 3:49:52pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 5, 2017 • 3:51:37pm

When Mitt looks reasonable

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2017 • 3:51:40pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

Only fair.

In lieu of jail, let him know in no uncertain terms that every single means of communication will be monitored 24 hours a day.

On second though - nah, jail. Fuck that guy.

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2017 • 3:52:44pm
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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2017 • 3:57:38pm

The op-ed in question..

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:02:01pm

re: #1 electrotek

Any possibility of ending the year with Trump being impeached? One can only hope!

Not by a Republican Congress. But Donny Jr may get indicted which ain’t bad.

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VegasGolfer  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:02:37pm

re: #17 Dave In Austin

When Mitt looks reasonable

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I’d like to see a list of “respectable republicans” who will take the party back. The list is so small it would fit on a square of toilet paper.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:04:39pm

This family is not normal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:05:32pm

yeah, it’s gonna be way too cold in DC this weekend, so head to Florida and the sunny golf courses…

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Frenchy  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:06:56pm

re: #17 Dave In Austin

How cute that Wilson seems to think that there’s any coming back for the GOP from the moral rot that they’ve come to. Romney has tweaked the nose of Trump from time to time, but even he got on his hands and knees for Trump when he thought he might land a cabinet position.

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sagehen  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:07:15pm

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

This family is not normal.

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Is she peeing on them?

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wheat-dogg  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:07:34pm

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

I can think of several jokes about this photo, all of which would get me banned from Twitter and LGF, probably.

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:13:43pm
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Ace Rothstein  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:15:03pm

As if Fredo had any fucking idea what the Magnitsky Act was.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:17:57pm

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe they’re looking for the middle class tax cuts.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:19:37pm

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

This family is not normal.

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Time for nanny!

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whitebeach  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:21:39pm

re: #23 VegasGolfer

I’d like to see a list of “respectable republicans” who will take the party back. The list is so small it would fit on a square of toilet paper.

Gee, I dunno, Dirksen, Romney I, Howard Baker, coupla the Rockefellers, even old Barry Goldwater. Oh, wait …

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:22:07pm

I’ll tell you, Jones’ team is putting together some damn good ads.

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Interesting Times  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:22:17pm

Facebook Post

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Skip Intro  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:23:09pm

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

This family is not normal.

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That’s just what daddy used to do with her.

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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:23:32pm

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

… Fredo lives on the planet Endor, now think about it, that does not make sense.

BUT HER GOTDAM EMAILS!!!!

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:24:30pm

re: #36 Skip Intro

That’s just what daddy used to do with her.

Who dresses like that to play with the kids?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:24:59pm

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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:25:15pm

re: #34 makeitstop

I’ll tell you, Jones’ team is putting together some damn good ads.

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Mentioned it before, will say it again, in a close race (and only in a close race), a vote for a third party/write in candidate is as good as a vote for the other guy. In this case, a vote for a write in or third party candidate is as good as a vote for Jones.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:27:00pm

An anonymous benefactor who wishes to be known as “Scrooge McDuck” has purchased one-year gift subscriptions for wlewisii and plansbandc!

Thanks very much to Mr./Ms. McDuck! I’m sure they’ll enjoy the ad-free goodness very much.

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KGxvi  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:27:29pm

re: #38 makeitstop

Who dresses like that to play with the kids?

The kids look like they’re in their PJ’s, so I’m guessing she’s dressed to go out and leave the kids with a sitter (or knowing the Trump’s with someone from the Secret Service), and the kids will be going to bed shortly after the picture.

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whitebeach  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:28:15pm

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

This family is not normal.

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“Now, kids, stop grabbing. That’s for when you’re older.”

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:28:32pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

An anonymous benefactor who wishes to be known as “Scrooge McDuck” has purchased one-year gift subscriptions for wlewisii and plansbandc!

Thanks very much to Mr./Ms. McDuck! I’m sure they’ll enjoy the ad-free goodness very much.

That McDuck, he’s one of the good ones. :)

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:29:07pm

re: #42 KGxvi

The kids look like they’re in their PJ’s, so I’m guessing she’s dressed to go out and leave the kids with a sitter (or knowing the Trump’s with someone from the Secret Service), and the kids will be going to bed shortly after the picture.

Good point.

Still weird.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:29:36pm

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

This family is not normal.

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:30:49pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:31:24pm
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plansbandc  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:31:44pm

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Ooh!!!! That is SO COOL!! Thank you so much!

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Stanley Sea  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:32:17pm

re: #38 makeitstop

Who dresses like that to play with the kids?

Jared is in the mirror reflection in a tux.

They are going to some event.

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:32:25pm

If that tax bill passes, there’s gonna be blood everywhere.

None but the Crazification contingent wants anything to do with it.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:33:54pm

re: #50 Stanley Sea

Jared is in the mirror reflection in a tux.

They are going to some event.

That the majority of us could not afford the clothes to wear.

Kleptocracy

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:34:10pm

Kids coding Google doodle game is pretty good.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:34:23pm

re: #50 Stanley Sea

Jared is in the mirror reflection in a tux.

They are going to some event.

Where? They are hated in that town.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:34:48pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:35:09pm

re: #34 makeitstop

I’ll tell you, Jones’ team is putting together some damn good ads.

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I saw earlier where he said at a speech that Moore belongs in jail, not the Senate.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:35:30pm

re: #54 Ace Rothstein

Where? They are hated in that town.

The H’otel

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:35:30pm

re: #54 Ace Rothstein

Where? They are hated in that town.

Which town? We don’t like ‘em too much up here, either.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:36:01pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

God, he’s such an asshole.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:37:42pm

re: #56 Belafon

He’s right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:39:11pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:40:09pm

re: #55 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Okay, you stupid fucking asshole, let me boil it down using simple words that even a dipshit like you can understand: Your precious Israel will be under attack 24/7/365 until it is destroyed, all because your President is even more stupid than you. Got it?

That’s why it baffles me that Bibi would approve this measure, unless he wants a war to avoid indictment and removal from office. He is malevolent, but would he really want to sacrifice so many of his countrymen and women to preserve himself. Is Bibi that evil?

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:40:29pm

What if Trump is doing this to help Bibi, as in how would people think of having him convicted while a war with Muslims is going on?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:41:38pm

re: #55 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Okay, you stupid fucking asshole, let me boil it down using simple words that even a dipshit like you can understand: Your precious Israel will be under attack 24/7/365 until it is destroyed, all because your President is even more stupid than you. Got it?

You think Cernovich gives a shit if Jews die? For him that’s icing on the cake.

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whitebeach  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:41:41pm

re: #62 Hecuba’s daughter

That’s why it baffles me that Bibi would approve this measure, unless he wants a war to avoid indictment and removal from office. He is malevolent, but would he really want to sacrifice so many of this countrymen and women to preserve himself. Is he that evil?

IMHO, hell yes.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:42:01pm

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

You think Cernovich gives a shit if Jews die? For him that’s icing on the cake.

I assumed he was one of the Israel-worshipping right. Is he a Nazi?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:42:24pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:42:29pm

I’ll take anything

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:43:15pm
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Christmas can be a lonely time, but a Melbourne thief has decided to take his happiness into his own hands and steal a ridiculously expensive sex doll from a Moorabbin sex shop.

The police are currently looking for a man who cut through a wire fence with bolt-cutters, and then used a fire-hydrant to break into the Sexyland outlet, before fleeing in his white van (the default mode of transport for the dodgiest crimes).

The store made it clear that this wasn’t simply a crime of opportunity, or a smash and grab. It was in fact a planned erotic-mannequin heist. Once inside, the man stole the sex doll named “Dorothy”, which is worth a whopping $4,495. It is unknown whether he took anything else, but considering Dorothy is life-sized at 168 centimetres, his hands were probably full.

Worth reading the rest of the article for delicious snark.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:43:20pm

re: #66 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I assumed he was one of the Israel-worshipping right. Is he a Nazi?

Yes. Oh and the “Israel-worshipping right” do not love Teh Juice either, they want Armageddon so Jesus will come back on a cloud while everyone but their team dies.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:43:35pm
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Ace Rothstein  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:43:49pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:44:29pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

Right, because they think it will only be brown people that die.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:44:41pm

re: #70 The Vicious Babushka

Yes. Oh and the “Israel-worshipping right” do not love Teh Juice either, they want Armageddon so Jesus will come back on a cloud while everyone but their team dies.

It’s kinda weird, actually. I mean, you’re not wrong, but by the same token, they want Israel to steamroll the people commonly referred to as Palestinians and kill all the Muslims, too.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:45:17pm

re: #72 Ace Rothstein

What the everloving fuck?

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:47:06pm
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allegro  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:47:09pm

re: #74 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s kinda weird, actually. I mean, you’re not wrong, but by the same token, they want Israel to steamroll the people commonly referred to as Palestinians and kill all the Muslims, too.

Trump: Let’s you and them fight.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:48:16pm

re: #77 allegro

Trump: Let’s you and them fight.

Yeah, I guess that leads us right back full circle, since that was exactly what Dickovich’s post insinuated.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:48:20pm

I trust Mueller better than the hill, but.

The yam has to be shitting. He thought he was untouchable as potus

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:48:58pm

re: #75 Eclectic Cyborg

What the everloving fuck?

oh, FEMA wants them to work the hours…just not pay them for the extra hours.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:49:20pm

re: #71 Stanley Sea

Josh Marshall
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@joshtpm
Tfw you agree to a big tax hike on your constituents and want a do over.

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And if they restore that deduction, where are they going to find the money to offset it? I know!! Let’s eliminate the tax reduction on the wealthy and instead raise their taxes from 39.6% to 41.6%!! I bet that might do it!!

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plansbandc  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:49:28pm

Thank you so much Mr./Ms. Scrooge McDuck! Now I can peruse LGF on all devices. You rock.

The Pointer Sisters - I’m So Excited

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:50:31pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, FEMA wants them to work the hours…just not pay them for the extra hours.

It’s standard policy in my line of work. First of all, most computer companies pay a salary. Then they start setting a “corporate culture” (which is a whole other ball of wax) that implies that good little worker drones put in 48-hour work weeks despite being paid for 40. Clocking out and leaving your work at your desk is frowned upon.

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:50:48pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, FEMA wants them to work the hours…just not pay them for the extra hours.

So very Trumpian.

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:52:16pm

re: #82 plansbandc

Thank you so much Mr./Ms. Scrooge McDuck! Now I can peruse LGF on all devices. You rock.

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William Lewis  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:55:38pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

It seems I watched enough Ducktales this past year to make one Scrooge McDuck happy. Thank you for the year’s subscription here, I was wondering what to do when it ran out soon.

I am profoundly grateful for you & for Charles for making this all possible.

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garzooma  Dec 5, 2017 • 4:59:13pm

re: #79 Stanley Sea

I trust Mueller better than the hill, but.

The yam has to be shitting. He thought he was untouchable as potus

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I’d like some investigators to question the Trump campaign’s IT people along the following lines:

* You knew that the Democratic campaign had been hacked.
* The FBI among other’s said it was the Russians.
* But you didn’t call the FBI in to see if you had been hacked.
* Why was the campaign so confident that this hadn’t happened?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:01:41pm

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:02:12pm

Has this information been posted?
whyy.org

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Citizen K  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:02:28pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maggie continuing to give Trump and this administration the benefit of the doubt at every turn, when they prove they deserve none of it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:05:06pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sasse getting slapped around by almost everyone else in the responses to his tweet slamming Flake.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:06:29pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sasse getting slapped around by almost everyone else in the responses to his tweet slamming Flake.

These are the same people that really believe women that are eight months pregnant wake up one morning and say “You know what, I changed my mind!” and go get an abortion.

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allegro  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:06:41pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:08:38pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sasse getting slapped around by almost everyone else in the responses to his tweet slamming Flake.

Do you know there is an “ass” in Sasse?

I still remember when he was first seen as a new young Republican that is more moderate. Seems like 10 years ago.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:11:08pm

jeebus, you can tell they are running askeert when their only argument is:
Planned Parenthood/ABORTION!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:11:13pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:12:53pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, you can tell they are running askeert when their only argument is:
Planned Parenthood/ABORTION!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!

They’re playing the greatest hits.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:14:10pm

re: #102 Belafon

He keeps going in the replies.

just limp noodle waffling…he’s pretty good at that.

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:14:52pm

re: #103 Ace Rothstein

They’re playing the greatest hits.

If you play Planned Parenthood/ABORTION!!!!!!111!!!!!!!!! backwards it says “Roy Moore is a pedophile.”

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:15:02pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

just limp noodle waffling…he’s pretty good at that.

I meant Atticus.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:15:29pm

re: #88 garzooma

I’d like some investigators to question the Trump campaign’s IT people along the following lines:

* You knew that the Democratic campaign had been hacked.
* The FBI among other’s said it was the Russians.
* But you didn’t call the FBI in to see if you had been hacked.
* Why was the campaign so confident that this hadn’t happened?

I believe it will show in the end that Cambridge A worked in hand with the Russian bots.

With $ passing hands.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:15:30pm

My cousin was one of Ben Sasse’s best friends in college. (My cousin is also a wealthy right-wing Christian who knows how to talk.) Summer of 2016 at family reunion we got to talking politics and I was giving him my opinion of the Trump movement and problems with the hard right. He assured me that not all Republicans were dumb ideologues: witness the Best Man at his wedding, Ben Sasse. So I asked about Ben. Ben turns out to be pretty extreme actually. But my Harvard-educated cousin from suburban Chicago explained that it was beliefs based on the inherent strength of America; that states have the right to make their laws; and that if you didn’t want to live under the laws of Kansas you could move to California. I went to get a beer. No point in remaining thirsty in that intellectual desert.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:15:56pm

re: #106 Belafon

I meant Atticus.

oh, yeah…Atticus is doing yeoman’s work.

Sasse is the bothesidesareicky waffler.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:16:13pm
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Citizen K  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:17:02pm

re: #108 Barefoot Grin

My cousin was one of Ben Sasse’s best friends in college. (My cousin is also a wealthy right-wing Christian who knows how to talk.) Summer of 2016 at family reunion we got to talking politics and I was giving him my opinion of the Trump movement and problems with the hard right. He assured me that not all Republicans were dumb ideologues: witness the Best Man at his wedding, Ben Sasse. So I asked about Ben. Ben turns out to be pretty extreme actually. But my Harvard-educated cousin from suburban Chicago explained that it was beliefs based on the inherent strength of America; that states have the right to make their laws; and that if you didn’t want to live under the laws of Kansas you could move to California. I went to get a beer. No point in remaining thirsty in that intellectual desert.

Sounds like the fact that he was friends with Sasse was telling enough.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:18:56pm

re: #108 Barefoot Grin

My cousin was one of Ben Sasse’s best friends in college. (My cousin is also a wealthy right-wing Christian who knows how to talk.) Summer of 2016 at family reunion we got to talking politics and I was giving him my opinion of the Trump movement and problems with the hard right. He assured me that not all Republicans were dumb ideologues: witness the Best Man at his wedding, Ben Sasse. So I asked about Ben. Ben turns out to be pretty extreme actually. But my Harvard-educated cousin from suburban Chicago explained that it was beliefs based on the inherent strength of America; that states have the right to make their laws; and that if you didn’t want to live under the laws of Kansas you could move to California. I went to get a beer. No point in remaining thirsty in that intellectual desert.

The idea that most people can just up and move. As if.

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Brian J.  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:19:49pm

Several local elections tonight, so let’s start with some light comic relief from Sarasota:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:20:07pm
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sagehen  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:22:10pm

re: #108 Barefoot Grin

But my Harvard-educated cousin from suburban Chicago explained that it was beliefs based on the inherent strength of America; that states have the right to make their laws; and that if you didn’t want to live under the laws of Kansas you could move to California. I went to get a beer. No point in remaining thirsty in that intellectual desert.

Except these are the people pushing the “concealed-carry reciprocity act” in Congress… so if Kansas lets you carry a gun, you can take it California and Cali can’t do anything about it.

They only believe in “states’ rights” for states that are more right-wing than the federal gov’t — they vehemently oppose states’ rights when any state wants a policy that’s more liberal than federal requirements.

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BeachDem  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:22:28pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

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plansbandc  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:22:39pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

So then comrade combover, aka the earl of kenodoxy?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:24:03pm

oh….

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MOORE, Okla. - Days after a former state senator pleaded guilty to federal child sex trafficking, Moore police released body cam footage of the call that led the then-seated senator to be charged with state child prostitution charges.

Ralph Shortey, 35, pleaded guilty to child sex trafficking in federal court last week; in exchange, child pornography charges were dropped.

Shortey, a former Republican state senator from Oklahoma City, was charged in federal court in September after a months-long investigation that started in March 2017 when he was found in a Moore hotel room with a 17-year-old boy.

Police were called to the Super 8 Motel, located at 1520 I-35, in the early morning hours of March 9 for a welfare check. Moore police released body cam video Monday from multiple officers who responded to the call.

so, so, much more “family values” at the link…

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:24:24pm

re: #115 sagehen

Except these are the people pushing the “concealed-carry reciprocity act” in Congress… so if Kansas lets you carry a gun, you can take it California and Cali can’t do anything about it.

They only believe in “states’ rights” for states that are more right-wing than the federal gov’t — they vehemently oppose states’ rights when any state wants a policy that’s more liberal than federal requirements.

They’re still pissed of states can’t be forced to return slaves.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:25:10pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:25:15pm

Just posted a page about Mueller, Trump and Deutsche Bank. This article comes from NPR and WHYY.
littlegreenfootballs.com

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allegro  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:25:17pm

re: #117 plansbandc

So then comrade combover, aka the earl of kenodoxy?

Graduated from ACLU

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:25:25pm

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:30:32pm

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

This family is not normal.

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:32:04pm

Philip Bump talking to Chris Hayes, pretending Mike Pence “sold his soul” to Donald Trump. Pence wasn’t all that soulful before, Philip.

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Brian J.  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:33:22pm

re: #126 jaunte

Philip Bump talking to Chris Hayes, pretending Mike Pence “sold his soul” to Donald Trump. Pence wasn’t all that soulful before, Philip.

If Donnie paid a nickel, he had change coming.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:33:40pm

re: #112 Belafon

The idea that most people can just up and move. As if.

That was part of my argument.

re: #115 sagehen

Except these are the people pushing the “concealed-carry reciprocity act” in Congress… so if Kansas lets you carry a gun, you can take it California and Cali can’t do anything about it.

They only believe in “states’ rights” for states that are more right-wing than the federal gov’t — they vehemently oppose states’ rights when any state wants a policy that’s more liberal than federal requirements.

I didn’t think about that, but I talked about how wrong it would be for a gay couple to have to move simply because one state wouldn’t recognize their marriage (yes, he thought that issue should be left to the states). And until we have universal insurance, it’s unfair that someone would have to move and then find they couldn’t get the same coverage elsewhere.

Ben Sasse thinks that you just need to work hard, be honest, pay your dues, and [be white] everything will work out for you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:33:58pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:34:44pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

Of course he was.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:35:26pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:35:34pm

ObserverArt also has a Secret Santa, who has extended his LGF subscription for another year. Enjoy!

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:36:33pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bubblehead II  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:37:38pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Nice to see Lizards looking out for one another.

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prairiefire  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:37:57pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

An anonymous benefactor who wishes to be known as “Scrooge McDuck” has purchased one-year gift subscriptions for wlewisii and plansbandc!

Thanks very much to Mr./Ms. McDuck! I’m sure they’ll enjoy the ad-free goodness very much.

So cool!

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:38:10pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

ObserverArt also has a Secret Santa, who has extended his LGF subscription for another year. Enjoy!

Awwww…damn. Thanks. I was scrounging to get it in January. Again, helps a lot. Very honored.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:38:15pm
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Brian J.  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:43:37pm

Our next result is from Allentown, PA, where the Democrats need to hold a seat after the previous incumbent passed away. Doesn’t look like that will be a problem: the early vote is 67-27-6 between Democrat Jeanne McNeill (wife of the deceased) over a GOoPer and Libertarian.

electionreturns.pa.gov

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:44:11pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:45:09pm

Zeena The Worrier Princess

18 September 2005 - 5 December, 2017

Good night, sweet Worrier Princess, and flights of Greyngels sing thee to thy rest.

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:45:51pm
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sagehen  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:46:02pm

{{Blind Frog Belly White }}

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:47:26pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

Damn it. I mean, you and we all knew it was coming, but still….You know you did right by her.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:47:37pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

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ipsos  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:47:44pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

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JordanRules  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:49:00pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

{{{{BFBW}}}}}}}

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:49:05pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

Aw, man, I’m sorry. Hugs and prayers to you and your family.

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teleskiguy  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:50:43pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

My deepest sympathies. Zeena lived a glorious life with y’all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:52:28pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:54:58pm

re: #134 Bubblehead II

Nice to see Lizards looking out for one another.

I’m also the recipient of an anonymous Lizard’s benevolence. Thank you again, kind lizard.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:55:40pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:56:45pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

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prairiefire  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:56:51pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

(Bfbw and family)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:58:30pm

the union folks who occupied Collins’s office last night:

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allegro  Dec 5, 2017 • 5:59:35pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

A beautiful tribute for a beautiful, very much loved girl. I am so sorry for your family’s loss. :(

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scottslemmons  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:00:46pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:01:07pm
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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:03:23pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

“Dogs, lives are short, too short, but you know that going in. You know the pain is coming, you’re going to lose a dog, and there’s going to be great anguish, so you live fully in the moment with her, never fail to share her joy or delight in her innocence, because you can’t support the illusion that a dog can be your lifelong companion. There’s such beauty in the hard honesty of that, in accepting and giving love while always aware that it comes with an unbearable price. Maybe loving dogs is a way we do penance for all the other illusions we allow ourselves and the mistakes we make because of those illusions.”

― Dean Koontz, The Darkest Evening of the Year

I’m so sorry. Hugs to you and your family.

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scottslemmons  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:04:03pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:04:40pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

I am so sorry man, my heart has been breaking for you through this whole saga. Sending much good juju your way.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:04:57pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:05:04pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

OH BFBW, Mrs. BFBW & the Rango. I have you in my heart tonight.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:06:25pm

re: #161 scottslemmons

With all the new squawling about abortion, I suspect we can feel safe predicting that Roy Moore has paid for one multiple woman’s girl’s abortions.

FIFY

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teleskiguy  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:07:51pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:08:32pm
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Belafon  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:09:08pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

Al Franken has had no influence on this election.

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whitebeach  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:09:37pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:09:44pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

My condolences to you and your family.

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:09:58pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

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Brings a tear to my eye too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:10:33pm

I saw this comparison on Twitter this afternoon but can’t find the Tweet now:

Let’s say Masterpiece Cake was a segregated BBQ restaurant during Jim Crow era. Lester’s BBQ says “We serve all customers. But we only serve BBQ beef sandwiches to white people.”

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teleskiguy  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:11:08pm

These fuckin’ people.

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Citizen K  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:11:28pm

ICE’s Reign of Terror Is Sending Employee Morale Through the Roof

The Department of Homeland Security released its year-end “immigration enforcement” report on Tuesday, detailing the number of undocumented immigrants it’s arrested, detained, and deported throughout 2017.

The key takeaways? Border apprehensions are down, deportations are up, and the people responsible for arresting undocumented immigrants absolutely love their jobs.

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As the department notes, the number of border apprehensions is significantly down compared to years past—presumably due to fewer undocumented immigrants attempting to enter the United States during the first year of the Trump administration:

But while border arrests may be on the decline, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency’s Enforcement and Removal Operations team—the agents who actually track down undocumented people, detain them, and ultimately deport them—have been keeping extremely busy (emphasis mine throughout):

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But perhaps the most telling part of the report is this:

In addition to these improved numbers, the Federal Employee Viewpoint Survey (FEVS) results for CBP and ICE personnel significantly improved this year, reflecting that the Administration is allowing them to faithfully execute their duties and fully enforce the law.

ICE is a department run amuck with xenophobic glee.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:13:09pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:13:33pm

re: #174 Citizen K

ICE’s Reign of Terror Is Sending Employee Morale Through the Roof

ICE is a department run amuck with xenophobic glee.

I suspect the same is true with many law enforcement agencies.

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scottslemmons  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:14:01pm

re: #174 Citizen K

ICE’s Reign of Terror Is Sending Employee Morale Through the Roof

ICE is a department run amuck with xenophobic glee.

The Gestapo loves being the Gestapo. :(

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Brian J.  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:14:43pm

re: #174 Citizen K

ICE’s Reign of Terror Is Sending Employee Morale Through the Roof

ICE is a department run amuck with xenophobic glee.

So they get happier as they get less competent?

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:16:21pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:16:46pm

I hope you see this. So I’m pm you.

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teleskiguy  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:17:53pm

Happy Zappadan!

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Stanley Sea  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:18:22pm

re: #174 Citizen K

ICE’s Reign of Terror Is Sending Employee Morale Through the Roof

ICE is a department run amuck with xenophobic glee.

And we see how easily it can happen here

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:19:05pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m so sad for your loss. These pictures brought a tear to my eye. It’s really unjust that our most devoted companions have such short lives compared to ours.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:20:07pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:21:01pm
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Now Amanda knows how many of us women feel about her.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:22:12pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m so sorry for your loss. What a beautiful girl.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:24:50pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

It’s as familiar as a form letter if you’ve ever been abused.

The “You made me do that” speech.

Which always
always
always
always discounts the emotions and intentions of everybody but the speech-maker, as they excuse the inexcusible.

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EPR-radar  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:24:53pm

re: #62 Hecuba’s daughter

That’s why it baffles me that Bibi would approve this measure, unless he wants a war to avoid indictment and removal from office. He is malevolent, but would he really want to sacrifice so many of his countrymen and women to preserve himself. Is Bibi that evil?

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It wouldn’t surprise me. Political conservatism seems to be ever more precisely defined as willful, gleeful evil.

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Mattand  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:25:26pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

Condolences and hang in there.

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:26:51pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

Such a sweet face. I’m so sorry for your family’s loss.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:28:11pm

re: #185 Stanley Sea

And we see how easily it can happen here

It is, unfortunately, a rule of nature that you can always find people to carry out such acts. How to detect and squelch potential leaders is always the problem.

(By the way, has anyone else noticed that Mitch looks a lot like Gollum? Artists’ representation, not the movies — I never liked the big blue eyes anyway. Maybe it’s because I quite like turtles, but I prefer to imagine Mitch saying, “We likes it precious, yes we does,” when a monster is confirmed for another post, or something abominable works its way through Congress.)

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:29:29pm

Lagniappe:

If you’re familiar with the US evangelical world, their version of “you made me do that” excuses all sexual abuses.

As long as you beat your chest and say you were “tempted” you can get away with anything. Just blame the filthy un-saved world and the young person you groomed.

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ibob  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:32:58pm

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We often induce a little early. These inductions always have a medical indication. Our hospital reviews all inductions before 39 weeks to make sure there is a legitimate medical indication. This is very strongly recommended by the American College of Ob/Gyn. I could lose my hospital privileges if I started delivering early just because someone doesn’t want to be pregnant anymore.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:35:05pm

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ronna is Mitt’s daughter, correct?

It’s a fucking scam, obvs.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:36:22pm
Addressing the concern that a lawsuit might be burdensome to the president, Zervos’s co-counsel noted @RealDonaldTrump’s extensive leisure time, and offered to schedule a deposition at Mar-a-Lago, “in between rounds of golf.” thebea.st … #GroperInChief

Such lovely snark. Anyway, wasn’t this settled (not in the President’s favor) during the Clinton Administration.

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BeachDem  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:40:31pm

re: #199 Stanley Sea

Ronna is Mitt’s daughter, correct?

It’s a fucking scam, obvs.

Niece.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:40:38pm

I’m in no mood to put up with people who want to try to blame me for Donald Trump, but I seem to be getting some of that bullshit on Twitter tonight.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:41:22pm

re: #200 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Such lovely snark. Anyway, wasn’t this settled (not in the President’s favor) during the Clinton Administration.

Actually, this is where Bill might get his final restution: They will use what was used against WJC against the hateful yam.

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MsJ  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:41:29pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m so very sorry for your loss. 😢

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:42:50pm

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teleskiguy  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:45:31pm

These people are fuckin’ ghouls.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:46:00pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

So sorry to hear. I know how it feels.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:46:33pm

re: #206 I Would Prefer Not To

I don’t believe in god, but I do believe there’s a heaven—for dogs.

I don’t believe in any gods, or any afterlife, but man-o-man, do I want to believe in the Rainbow Bridge!

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jaunte  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:46:54pm

re: #208 teleskiguy

I saw that this morning. What a creepy, manipulative person.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:48:29pm

re: #207 jaunte

My son had to read Walden and a bit about Thoreau. He read some of it out loud to us. Between the book and what I’ve heard of Thoreau’s history, he would never be accused of being nice.

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Belafon  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:49:53pm

re: #196 The Ghost of a Flea

Lagniappe:

If you’re familiar with the US evangelical world, their version of “you made me do that” excuses all sexual abuses.

As long as you beat your chest and say you were “tempted” you can get away with anything. Just blame the filthy un-saved world and the young person you groomed.

So, in reading the book of Genesis, their takeaway was to whine like Adam.

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dangerman  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:50:26pm

re: #198 ibob

I have to tell people frequently that there is no such thing as partial birth abortions. At that stage they are called deliveries, either by a C/S or a vaginal delivery.

We often induce a little early. These inductions always have a medical indication. Our hospital reviews all inductions before 39 weeks to make sure there is a legitimate medical indication. This is very strongly recommended by the American College of Ob/Gyn. I could lose my hospital privileges if I started delivering early just because someone doesn’t want to be pregnant anymore.

It’s just another lie like so many other lies they tell with impunity

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:52:40pm

Some dork on Facebook came at me on a friend’s thread, claiming that the Deutsche Bank subpoena was fake news. If he’d been civil I would have scrolled by, but he was a dick about it.

So I said that TV Lawyer Sekulow had no idea what he was talking about, and that he probably wouldn’t even know about the subpoena due to the Grand Jury Exception mentioned on the last thread.

He replied, ‘The bank denied it. Are they lying, too?’ So…

I did a search for ‘Deutsche Bank denies subpoena’ (yeah, Bing, sue me) and pointed out that TV Lawyer was the guy doing all the denying.

Then I did a search for ‘Deutsche Bank subpoena’ and noted that pretty much every news organization on the planet (including that liberal fake news outfit Breitbart) is reporting that the subpoena was indeed served, and asked him again to post a link to the bank denying the story.

That was over an hour ago. Think he bailed? Heh.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 5, 2017 • 6:56:54pm

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ObserverArt  Dec 5, 2017 • 7:00:46pm

re: #215 makeitstop

Some dork on Facebook came at me on a friend’s thread, claiming that the Deutsche Bank subpoena was fake news. If he’d been civil I would have scrolled by, but he was a dick about it.

So I said that TV Lawyer Sekulow had no idea what he was talking about, and that he probably wouldn’t even know about the subpoena due to the Grand Jury Exception mentioned on the last thread.

He replied, ‘The bank denied it. Are they lying, too?’ So…

I did a search for ‘Deutsche Bank denies subpoena’ (yeah, Bing, sue me) and pointed out that TV Lawyer was the guy doing all the denying.

Then I did a search for ‘Deutsche Bank subpoena’ and noted that pretty much every news organization on the planet (including that liberal fake news outfit Breitbart) is reporting that the subpoena was indeed served, and asked him again to post a link to the bank denying the story.

That was over an hour ago. Think he bailed? Heh.

Rachel Maddow was saying Deutsche Bank had been holding out to get the subpoena as a request from Congress was not enough for them to get past their worries about giving out private client information easily.

And she further added that Deutsche bank insiders say they were happy to get it so they can get past all of this.

Hmmm. I wonder if Deutsche Bank is looking to dump a problematic account?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 5, 2017 • 7:01:49pm

re: #183 Stanley Sea

I hope you see this. So I’m pm you.

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makeitstop  Dec 5, 2017 • 7:02:46pm

re: #217 ObserverArt

Rachel Maddow was saying Deutsche Bank had been holding out to get the subpoena as a request from Congress was not enough for them to get past their worries about giving out private client information easily.

And she further added that Deutsche bank insiders say they were happy to get it so they can get past all of this.

Hmmm. I wonder if Deutsche Bank is looking to dump a problematic account?

Oh, they’d still handle his money all day long in other circumstances.

But they’re under DoJ investigation already, and I’m sure the negative PR is getting them a little worried.

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CleverToad  Dec 5, 2017 • 7:14:05pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

{{{sympathies}}}
The Greyngels are beautiful

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austin_blue  Dec 5, 2017 • 7:50:54pm

re: #140 Blind Frog Belly White

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Deepest condolences to you and yours. Losing a family companion is like losing a child, in my mind. You wake up, you look around, they aren’t there, and it’s just like *thud*. Heart rending. It just about kills you, every time.


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