Video: Trump’s Reckless, Dangerous, Deeply Stupid Decision to Recognize Jerusalem as Capital of Israel

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There have been many reckless and stupid moves made by this horrible man this year, but throwing 70 years of US policy into the garbage heap and recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel right now, when there’s no pressing need for it, will achieve nothing but to derail the peace negotiations in the Middle East, inflame the Muslim world beyond measure, and put people all over the globe in serious danger.

For no good reason. He was universally advised not to do this by Middle East policy experts and other world leaders, but of course, this is a narcissistic fool with a dangerously inflated sense of his own righteousness. The United States will seriously regret this day.

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JordanRules  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:44:50am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:45:18am

From what I’m seeing on Israeli media, everybody is happy.

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electrotek  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:47:56am

re: #2 The Vicious Babushka

From what I’m seeing on Israeli media, everybody is happy.

Including those in Haifa and Tel-Aviv?

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:49:36am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:50:13am

This is such a foolish move.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:50:32am

re: #3 electrotek

Including those in Haifa and Tel-Aviv?

Editorial from Haaretz, Israel’s most left-leaning media source:

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:51:59am

OK it’s Elliott Abrams from the GWB administration.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:52:07am

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

Editorial from Haaretz, Israel’s most left-leaning media source:

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I’ll be glad if I’m wrong and it turns out to be a productive move.

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electrotek  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:52:15am

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

Editorial from Haaretz, Israel’s most left-leaning media source:

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Holy fuck. There were SO MANY pieces arguing just the exact opposite on there, and now they are praising this?

I’m at a loss of words.

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electrotek  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:53:00am

re: #8 Barefoot Grin

I’ll be glad if I’m wrong and it turns out to be a productive move.

For the sake of the world, I hope so.

No blood is worth shedding just to make cheeto look even more incompetent.

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Citizen K  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:53:45am

re: #9 electrotek

Holy fuck. There were SO MANY pieces arguing just the exact opposite on there, and now they are praising this?

I’m at a loss of words.

Official paper editorial, op-ed, columnist, what?

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JordanRules  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:53:48am

re: #8 Barefoot Grin

I can see folks in Israel being happy about the recognition by the U.S. yet that doesn’t make the timing any less unnecessary and potentially dangerous.

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Kragar  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:54:06am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:54:46am

re: #11 Citizen K

Official paper editorial, op-ed, columnist, what?

Op-Ed by Elliott Abrams of the Bush administration, but Haaretz hasn’t posted any other opinion in its news feed.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:55:22am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:56:23am

re: #7 The Vicious Babushka

OK it’s Elliott Abrams from the GWB administration.

Ah, the architect of Iran Contra…

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Citizen K  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:57:25am

re: #14 The Vicious Babushka

Op-Ed by Elliott Abrams of the Bush administration, but Haaretz hasn’t posted any other opinion in its news feed.

Ah haaaa, well, that probably explains that. My guess is that the paper itself or their regular columnists probably are going to be a little more careful in their response then. Still, carrying Elliott Abrams’s Op-Ed is a bad look regardless.

I’m still giving Haaretz the benefit of the doubt here since they’ve remained an oasis of sanity on Israeli issues, even compared to outlets here.

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electrotek  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:58:03am

re: #17 Citizen K

Ah haaaa, well, that probably explains that. My guess is that the paper itself or their regular columnists probably are going to be a little more careful in their response then. Still, carrying Elliott Abrams’s Op-Ed is a bad look regardless.

I’m still giving Haaretz the benefit of the doubt here since they’ve remained an oasis of sanity on Israeli issues, even compared to outlets here.

Okay that makes me feel better. Thank you.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 10:59:06am

re: #8 Barefoot Grin

I’ll be glad if I’m wrong and it turns out to be a productive move.

It won’t.

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Jay C  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:00:00am

Stupid as Trump’s move is, an aspect of the policy change that seems to have gone under-noticed is that at same time he officially recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capitol, he simultaneously signed off on the usual “waiver” - the same one Presidents have been signing for 22 years - claiming Executive Privilege from having to actually abide by the provisions of the JEA, and actually relocate the Embassy.

IOW, typical Trumpery: a half-assed attempt to split some difference which will likely fail in any case. What a shock, I know…..

re: #2 The Vicious Babushka

From what I’m seeing on Israeli media, everybody is happy.

And why shouldn’t they be? They’ve just gotten a major policy win without having to seriously give up anything. Well, aside from possible violence from the Palestinians, but since when that that ever counted?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:00:57am

It to me seems to be only about appeasing the Christian Right and Bibi. And it appears it could have negative economic ramifications too as well as diplomatic.

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S'latch  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:01:38am

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

Amazing! The Israeli Left supports this? Wow.

[edited: I see. This is not the opinion of the Israeli Left. It is an “Op-Ed by Elliott Abrams of the Bush administration, and Haaretz hasn’t posted any other opinion in its news feed.”]

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:02:47am

Got CL’ed gonna post; from the tail-end of the last thread:
re: #538 The Vicious Babushka

I fail to see how open mouth slobbery wet kisses would be welcomed by anyone with whom one is not already in a consensual intimate relationship.

I’ve been known to get whacked on the nose for giving slobbery kisses to one whom I’ve been in a consensual relationship for more than 25 years….

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:03:09am

More restrained voices:

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plansbandc  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:03:47am

Some off-topic holiday cheer…

southernliving.com

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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:04:18am

re: #22 S’latch

Amazing! The Israeli Left supports this? Wow.

No, they don’t. The op-ed is by Elliott Abrams, one of the main criminals behind Iran-Contra, and a devout right winger.

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S'latch  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:05:04am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Thanks. I see that now. I edited my comment accordingly. I have little doubt that this will not end well.

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Kragar  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:05:11am
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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:05:51am
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Citizen K  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:06:03am

re: #28 Kragar

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Shows you how much pull THEY actually have…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:06:05am

re: #28 Kragar

But Falwell Jr, Jared, and Graham weren’t so s’all good.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:06:36am

re: #30 Citizen K

Shows you how much pull THEY actually have…

He only chose Mattis because he liked the Mad Dog nickname.

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Kragar  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:08:02am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:08:10am

method behind the madness: if this provokes a terror attack on US or allies, it is more reason to extend or expand his Muslim travel ban

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makeitstop  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:08:48am

I donated to the Jones campaign last night.

I’ve received six emails so far today hitting me up for more money.

Come on, guys…

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S'latch  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:09:30am

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is the way I see it too. Trump is trying to provoke conflict so he can take advantage of the chaos he creates. As he always does.

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garzooma  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:10:12am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:10:45am

This ill conceived pronouncement is virtually guaranteed to inflame the situation and put the lives of my loved ones in danger.

That’s basically all I care about.

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Citizen K  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:11:11am

Just in case someone thought Dems might get credit for trying to ouster Franken:

Yes, it’s Erick, son of Erick, but he’s not exactly out of the mainstream far as Republican attitudes either, which is rather the point.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:11:15am

re: #37 garzooma

Jerusalem Christians opposed to the move:
http://www.newsweek.com/jerusalems-christian-leaders-trump-do-not-change-status-our-ancient-city-739651

Interesting perspective that deserves attention.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:11:54am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:11:54am

re: #39 Citizen K

Just in case someone thought Dems might get credit for trying to ouster Franken:

Yes, it’s Erick, son of Erick, but he’s not exactly out of the mainstream far as Republican attitudes either, which is rather the point.

Oh fuck off already Erick.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:12:54am

re: #38 The Vicious Babushka

This ill conceived pronouncement is virtually guaranteed to inflame the situation and put the lives of my loved ones in danger.

That’s basically all I care about.

I don’t blame you and that’s what we should be worried about. Hope your family stays safe.

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Nyet  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:13:22am

re: #2 The Vicious Babushka

From what I’m seeing on Israeli media, everybody is happy.

Acc. to polls people in two countries were most happy to see Trump elected.

Russia and Israel.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:14:23am
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Nyet  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:14:24am

Israel has as much right to East Jerusalem as Russia to Crimea.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:14:27am

Well, now we know what it’s REALLY like to be governed by by a reckless mronrre: #39 Citizen K

Don’tcha LOVE these counterfactuals?

Of course, the reason Erickson argues this to justify supporting Moore, because his counterfactual ‘proves’ that Dems would do the same thing.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:14:48am

He really did sound unwell in this speech. Sniffing and slurring words much more than usual. Something is going on with him.

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Skip Intro  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:14:52am

re: #39 Citizen K

Just in case someone thought Dems might get credit for trying to ouster Franken:

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Yes, it’s Erick, son of Erick, but he’s not exactly out of the mainstream far as Republican attitudes either, which is rather the point.

Deep thinking from Erick. That’s the way politics work Erick. See Moore, Roy for confirmation.

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Citizen K  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:15:16am

re: #47 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, now we know what it’s REALLY like to be governed by by a reckless mronr

Don’tcha LOVE these counterfactuals?

Of course, the reason Erickson argues this to justify supporting Moore, because his counterfactual ‘proves’ that Dems would do the same thing.

On top of that…:

Keep in mind, this is after he basically withdrew any objections to Moore.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:16:59am

Damn you, Al Franken! I trusted you! I was proud of you! What the fuck?!?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:17:22am

re: #50 Citizen K

On top of that…:

Keep in mind, this is after he basically withdrew any objections to Moore.

I wonder if McConnell has anything lurking.

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Kragar  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:18:05am

re: #48 Charles Johnson

Maybe he’s smelling toast?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:19:04am

Denying Jewish history in Jerusalem is not a good look either:

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Kragar  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:19:10am

re: #51 Blind Frog Belly White

Damn you, Al Franken! I trusted you! I was proud of you! What the fuck?!?

A month ago, Franken was on my 2020 short list

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mmmirele  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:19:23am

re: #48 Charles Johnson

He really did sound unwell in this speech. Sniffing and slurring words much more than usual. Something is going on with him.

Are you sure it wasn’t cocaine?

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:20:01am

re: #35 makeitstop

I donated to the Jones campaign last night.

I’ve received six emails so far today hitting me up for more money.

Come on, guys…

You donate once, the emails will never stop.

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lawhawk  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:20:18am

re: #20 Jay C

Stupid as Trump’s move is, an aspect of the policy change that seems to have gone under-noticed is that at same time he officially recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capitol, he simultaneously signed off on the usual “waiver” - the same one Presidents have been signing for 22 years - claiming Executive Privilege from having to actually abide by the provisions of the JEA, and actually relocate the Embassy.

IOW, typical Trumpery: a half-assed attempt to split some difference which will likely fail in any case. What a shock, I know…..

And why shouldn’t they be? They’ve just gotten a major policy win without having to seriously give up anything. Well, aside from possible violence from the Palestinians, but since when that that ever counted?

Ding ding ding.

Trump extends the waiver to move the embassy.

He’s stating his intention to do so, and even admin officials have stated it would take time before it’s actually implemented (and money to move the embassy).

In the meantime, US diplomatic facilities are on higher alert, State Dept issues warnings to citizens overseas to be more careful, and to monitor news for breaking developments, because Trump decided to act now.

So why act now?

What else could possibly be going on that he needs to deflect attention to a foreign policy bungle? Oh wait - the fact he’s backing a sex predator and child molester for the AL Senate. Nope, that’s not it. Mueller’s ongoing investigations that continue yielding indictments and guilty pleas at a steady and consistent rate. Yeah, that’s a bingo.

Trump is told he needs to move the embassy (by Jared?) and decides now to do so even as all the experts suggest this would be harmful, undermine US natsec, and increase chances for conflict and terrorism against the US. It also undermines the peace process such as it is.

And I say all this as someone who believes Jerusalem is Israel’s capital - de facto and de jure. Recognizing it as such by the US undermines the US position to act as a neutral mediator between the parties, and means that Trump’s undercutting our ability to get Palestinians to accept a deal. What do the Palestinians have to lose by breaking relations or not negotiating? Nothing more than what they see now - they see Trump unilaterally acting against Palestinians so there’s no reason for them to trust the US.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:20:34am

re: #55 Kragar

A month ago, Franken was on my 2020 short list

I really liked him too. Man how times change.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:20:43am

re: #48 Charles Johnson

He really did sound unwell in this speech. Sniffing and slurring words much more than usual. Something is going on with him.

Do you really think that we will hear about the mini-strokes that he may be having? The speech patterns that he exhibits are indicative of stroke.

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Nyet  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:20:47am

re: #56 mmmirele

Are you sure it wasn’t cocaine?

He shouldn’t have trusted that Russian dealer around the corner. //

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:21:48am

I wonder how the more dedicated elements of Trump’s base, the fine folk from the Charlottesville march, will feel about this? He has already let them down in so many ways: He has not exposed the fake Moon landings, or the Zionist assassins of John F. Kennedy, nor has he stopped the chemtrail spraying or called for real debate on the shape of the Earth. They may begin to suspect that he sees them only as a means to an end.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:21:58am

re: #39 Citizen K

Just in case someone thought Dems might get credit for trying to ouster Franken:

[Embedded content]

Yes, it’s Erick, son of Erick, but he’s not exactly out of the mainstream far as Republican attitudes either, which is rather the point.

We know that Democrats maintaining high standards of morality won’t move the GOP base. But there are huge numbers of independent voters out there, many of them women. The GOP can’t win elections with its base alone.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:22:01am

re: #39 Citizen K

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:22:53am

re: #63 Big Beautiful Door

We know that Democrats maintaining high standards of morality won’t move the GOP base. But there are huge numbers of independent voters out there, many of them women. The GOP can’t win elections with its base alone.

I agree.

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lawhawk  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:23:39am

Apparently, that caused a hellmouth to open.

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Skip Intro  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:24:05am

President* Trump’s Normalization Is Complete

WASHINGTON—It’s not something you can hang on the Supreme Court seat that the Republicans hijacked on behalf of Neil Gorsuch. Late Monday afternoon, by a 7-2 vote, the Supreme Court allowed the current iteration of the president*’s travel ban fully to take effect. One thing about the national capital these days: End of business does not mean business will end. Not long after the Supreme Court handed down its ruling, the House of Representatives nearly ate its own entrails over going to conference with the Senate to reconcile the differences between the iterations of the Abomination of Desolation Tax Act of 2017.

It seems that the House Freedom Caucus, which exercises a great deal of control in the lower chamber, was making noises that it might not vote to go to conference at all, which would gum up the works and ruin everybody’s holiday plans. At issue was a continuing resolution extending the funding of the entire government past the end of this week. This is where we’re at: a group of conservatives endangered a wildly regressive change in the country’s tax system because the government wasn’t being gutted enough in a measure that would allow the government to function at all. The Speaker’s lobby was all abuzz for an hour or so, until the majority reached a brief moment of clarity and voted to go into conference on the bill. Meanwhile, the tinkering with the tax bill continued, in backrooms and hallways. “They’re putting this together with paste and bubblegum,” said one Democratic legislator. “Even they don’t know what’s going into this now.”

……..

There is one underlying theme in all these developments—namely, that the controlling powers of the national government are growing accustomed, if not entirely comfortable, living under the erratic rule of a half-mad president*. The Supreme Court gives him what he wants on his ban. The Congress is giving him what he wants with the national economy; the only real debate is how cruel and retrograde the legislation will be. Fighter jets are being rattled at North Korea. Robert Mueller’s investigation is being publicly clogged by weird tales out of the FBI and by pure presidential bluster. And, as soon as the president* threw his support behind the Gadsden Mall Creeper, his party did the same.

There has been a lot of talk about how dangerous it is to “normalize” a president* like the one we have at present. This is what normalizing him looks like. The process, which was never really in doubt, is complete.

esquire.com

And it all took less than a year. Can’t wait to see what Year 2 brings.

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makeitstop  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:24:34am

re: #57 Big Beautiful Door

You donate once, the emails will never stop.

The thing that kinda pisses me off is the last two.

First it’s ‘Wow, our campaign is catching fire! People are ordering lawn signs and we just can’t keep up with demand!!!’

Next email (header - ‘Sadly’): ‘We’re totally strapped for money, and things are loking bleak for the campaign. Won’t you please donate so we can keep our offices open?’

Seriously?

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Citizen K  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:24:48am

re: #63 Big Beautiful Door

We’ll see, because we haven’t seen many examples of Republicans actually paying electoral consequences for this shit much yet. And the media holding Dems accountable even when they show contrition, while letting GOP pols skirt every time isn’t helping much either.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:26:22am

re: #68 makeitstop

The thing that kinda pisses me off is the last two.

First it’s ‘Wow, our campaign is catching fire! People are ordering lawn signs and we just can’t keep up with demand!!!’

Next email (header - ‘Sadly’): ‘We’re totally strapped for money, and things are loking bleak for the campaign. Won’t you please donate so we can keep our offices open?’

Seriously?

They call a lot too and it’s usually a young volunteer on the other end and you feel bad saying no.

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Kragar  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:27:52am
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:28:14am

re: #48 Charles Johnson

He really did sound unwell in this speech. Sniffing and slurring words much more than usual. Something is going on with him.

Bumped one line too many.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:28:22am

re: #58 lawhawk

He had to sign the waiver to prevent cutting off State Department funding to the embassy, as mandated by the 1995 Jerusalem Embassy Act.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:28:51am

re: #73 Charles Johnson

He had to sign the waiver to prevent cutting off State Department funding to the embassy, as mandated by the 1995 Jerusalem Embassy Act.

Deep State machinations!

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:28:56am

re: #71 Kragar

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A silver lining!

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Renaissance_Man  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:29:24am

re: #63 Big Beautiful Door

We know that Democrats maintaining high standards of morality won’t move the GOP base. But there are huge numbers of independent voters out there, many of them women. The GOP can’t win elections with its base alone.

One year ago it won the biggest election there is with its base alone. For the past several years it has won election after election with only its base, by polarising its base more and more and driving them to the polls while relying on apathy, gerrymandering, and voter suppression. This is a proven strategy that will continue to work in the future unless the major parameters change.

There may be independent voters out there that may consider voting Democrat if the Democrats appear to be decent, moral alternatives. The key here is appear - while all branches of the media are controlled by Republicans and the Conservative cult, Democrats will never appear to be decent, moral alternatives. They will appear exactly as the media chooses them to appear in their narrative, which will be weak, corrupt, and without any coherent message.

I’m not saying that Democrats should not always seek to do the right thing. On the contrary, I think doing the right thing should always be the consideration, and that considering what Republicans will do or say should never be relevant. However, expecting that doing the right thing will win them votes is folly.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:29:57am

re: #54 The Vicious Babushka

Denying Jewish history in Jerusalem is not a good look either:

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Seriously, East and West Jerusalem are basically two separate cities, one Arab, one Jewish. Just give each side control over where they actually live.

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makeitstop  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:29:59am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

They call a lot too and it’s usually a young volunteer on the other end and you feel bad saying no.

I observe my own ‘two-second rule:’ I answer the phone, and if it takes a human more than two seconds to return the greeting, click.

And if I hear the slightest hint of a boiler room operation like lots of people talking on the phone at once - click.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:30:24am

Meanwhile Radical Xtians are having a super orgasm over Trump’s decision because they’re really stupid enough to believe the rapture bullshit!

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:30:24am
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Ace-o-aces  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:30:45am

re: #73 Charles Johnson

He had to sign the waiver to prevent cutting off State Department funding to the embassy, as mandated by the 1995 Jerusalem Embassy Act.

So…no actual change in US policy. Just a lot of talk that will get people killed. Good Job Trumpy!

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Citizen K  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:32:41am

re: #76 Renaissance_Man

One year ago it won the biggest election there is with its base alone. For the past several years it has won election after election with only its base, by polarising its base more and more and driving them to the polls while relying on apathy, gerrymandering, and voter suppression. This is a proven strategy that will continue to work in the future unless the major parameters change.

There may be independent voters out there that may consider voting Democrat if the Democrats appear to be decent, moral alternatives. The key here is appear - while all branches of the media are controlled by Republicans and the Conservative cult, Democrats will never appear to be decent, moral alternatives. They will appear exactly as the media chooses them to appear in their narrative, which will be weak, corrupt, and without any coherent message.

I’m not saying that Democrats should not always seek to do the right thing. On the contrary, I think doing the right thing should always be the consideration, and that considering what Republicans will do or say should never be relevant. However, expecting that doing the right thing will win them votes is folly.

Exactly the point I’ve been trying to make for a while. We do the right thing because it’s the right thing.

But expecting ‘doing the right thing’ alone to win us votes is a fool’s errand because the GOP controls the narrative so firmly, and we’ll always be cast as the villain on that measure, no matter how much contrition or morality we show. Our morality simply doesn’t count.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:32:49am

re: #77 Ace-o-aces

Seriously, East and West Jerusalem are basically two separate cities, one Arab, one Jewish. Just give each side control over where they actually live.

Not so easy to do since now there are many integrated neighborhoods. East Jerusalem residents have jobs in the West, the Light Rail connects the City, and East Jerusalem also depends on visitors from the West to support its businesses.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:32:50am

re: #78 makeitstop

I observe my own ‘two-second rule:’ I answer the phone, and if it takes a human more than two seconds to return the greeting, click.

And if I hear the slightest hint of a boiler room operation like lots of people talking on the phone at once - click.

That works.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:33:17am
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CleverToad  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:34:01am

re: #587 ObserverArt

And there it is.

Franken is admitted. Trump/Moore…nope.

And do I expect a GOP kangaroo court to give Franken a fair shake. Nope.

But I would go with it anyway because there are enough people in this country that are starting to learn how this is working out and a kangaroo court would be seen as just that…like another Benghazi and Email scandal.

But let’s all run away from the 25% of this country that are wingers, forget the 10% that voted for Trump and probably regret it and can be taught a lesson and not work to get the other 20% of the Democrats that never vote probably because they are confused by it all and wonder why Democrats are so wimpy.

CL’d again. Busy day.
I agree.
I don’t expect the kangaroo court to be fair.
Wet, slobbery kisses should be left to the province of puppies. And kept off movie screens (ick).
Al Franken has acted like a jerk, and he should have kept his hands off non-consensual fannies.
Dumping Franken for the sake of ‘purity’ won’t win any voters and won’t shut the GOP up any time in the next ten years or more.
But for the sake of sanity and governance, we should insist on the Ethics Investigation anyway.
This is a set-back for the necessary and reasoned discussions of sexual behavior, not a win.
EDIT: And the Dems are flaming idiots to jump on this particular bandwagon today instead of focusing on the critical issues of the tax bill, CHIP, DACA, Net Neutrality and keeping the Gov doors open. Though it’s all going up in flames with this Jerusalem bomb. (With apologies for the imagery and anxious thoughts for the Californians who are battling fire and breathing smoke right now.)

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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:35:05am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:35:05am

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

I guess Jeff Sessions was right.//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:35:55am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:36:54am
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Ace-o-aces  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:37:28am

re: #83 The Vicious Babushka

Not so easy to do since now there are many integrated neighborhoods. East Jerusalem residents have jobs in the West, the Light Rail connects the City, and East Jerusalem also depends on visitors from the West to support its businesses.

I don’t think that will change all that much with a two state solution. The two sides are tied together like-it-or-not.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:37:34am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:39:30am

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

Seems to me that restricting visas would hurt the opposition.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:39:55am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:41:11am

I know there are some who think Jerusalem should be an “international” city. That sounds pretty, but in actual fact it means that the housing crisis will be even more exacerbated with more and more foreign investors buying up property. Right now young families can’t afford to buy a place to live, which is a big reason that many are moving to the “settlements” while in West Jerusalem there are apartments that are unoccupied because the price is so exorbitant.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:41:46am

Because there are many spider lovers that read LGF…

If spiders worked together, they could eat all humans in a year

Humans beware: if the world’s present population of spiders ever get organized, they could eat us all in just 12 months.

That’s the shock new finding from a piece of research that is set to give everyone nightmares.

At the moment, spiders mostly eat insects, although some of the larger species have been known to snack on lizards, birds and even small mammals.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:41:50am
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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:43:22am

Trump’s announcement has clearly excited the End Times wackos.

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Interesting Times  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:43:32am

re: #86 CleverToad

EDIT: And the Dems are flaming idiots to jump on this particular bandwagon today instead of focusing on the critical issues of the tax bill, CHIP, DACA, Net Neutrality and keeping the Gov doors open. Though it’s all going up in flames with this Jerusalem bomb. (With apologies for the imagery and anxious thoughts for the Californians who are battling fire and breathing smoke right now.)

Agree :/ Not sure what, if any “method to the madness” there is except a) They think it will help Doug Jones and b) Time magazine naming the #MeToo movement as “Person of the Year”

Other than those grasped-at straws, I got nuthin’.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:43:43am

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

Huckabee will have some excuse waiting.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:44:12am

I’m seeing quite a few people in the online world noticed Trump’s rather slurred speech - maybe he had a micro-stroke or something?

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Citizen K  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:44:24am

re: #98 Charles Johnson

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Trump’s announcement has clearly excited the End Times wackos.

That’s all the Israel-mania on the right actually is: End Time prophecy fulfillment. They don’t give a shit about Jewish people or Israel itself, they just want to start the Rapture.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:44:32am

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Trump’s announcement has clearly excited the End Times wackos.

Evangelicals who live in the safety of the US and not Israel of course.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:44:42am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:44:45am

re: #102 Citizen K

That’s all the Israel-mania on the right actually is: End Time prophecy fulfillment. They don’t give a shit about Jewish people or Israel itself, they just want to start the Rapture.

Yep.

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makeitstop  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:45:36am

re: #96 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Because there are many spider lovers that read LGF…

If spiders worked together, they could eat all humans in a year

Don’t give them any ideas.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:45:38am
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:45:40am

re: #102 Citizen K

That’s all the Israel-mania on the right actually is: End Time prophecy fulfillment. They don’t give a shit about Jewish people or Israel itself, they just want to start the Rapture.

And if what they’re doing right now to “start the Rapture” doesn’t work, I dread to think how they’re planning to up the ante.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:47:38am

re: #108 Dr Lizardo

And if what they’re doing right now to “start the Rapture” doesn’t work, I dread to think how they’re planning to up the ante.

That’s the scary thing honestly.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:49:23am
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FormerDirtDart  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:49:54am

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:50:49am

meanwhile in Utah..JFC…

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allegro  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:51:03am

re: #108 Dr Lizardo

And if what they’re doing right now to “start the Rapture” doesn’t work, I dread to think how they’re planning to up the ante.

Recruit the spiders.

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mmmirele  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:54:14am

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

meanwhile in Utah..JFC…

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Yeah, the father basically kidnapped the kids. He was involved with a polygamist prepper group.

Police in Spring City arrested John Coltharp late Saturday for investigation of kidnapping Dinah; William, 7; Seth, 6; and Haddie. Family members said they believed John Coltharp had given his daughters to a man for marriage.

Dinah is 8 and Haddie is 4. HE WAS GIVING THEM TO SOME OTHER DUDE TO MARRY.

Family members of the father of the four children, who moved from Highlands Ranch to Utah and helped form the religious-survivalist cult, had been worried about the safety of the two daughters after they say he told relatives he would rather kill the kids than let the government take custody of them.

denverpost.com

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Kragar  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:54:42am
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 11:58:45am

re: #76 Renaissance_Man

One year ago it won the biggest election there is with its base alone. For the past several years it has won election after election with only its base, by polarising its base more and more and driving them to the polls while relying on apathy, gerrymandering, and voter suppression. This is a proven strategy that will continue to work in the future unless the major parameters change.

There may be independent voters out there that may consider voting Democrat if the Democrats appear to be decent, moral alternatives. The key here is appear - while all branches of the media are controlled by Republicans and the Conservative cult, Democrats will never appear to be decent, moral alternatives. They will appear exactly as the media chooses them to appear in their narrative, which will be weak, corrupt, and without any coherent message.

I’m not saying that Democrats should not always seek to do the right thing. On the contrary, I think doing the right thing should always be the consideration, and that considering what Republicans will do or say should never be relevant. However, expecting that doing the right thing will win them votes is folly.

You are wrong. A major parameter has changed, and that is that there is a corrupt reprehensible, deeply unpopular Republican in the White House now. History shows that the party in power loses seats in the mid-term and that’s doubly true when the President is unpopular. We saw what can happen in Virginia last month, where the GOP lost its supermajority and barely held on to control of the House of Delegates (for now) and lost a Governor’s race they thought they would win because GOP turnout was depressed and Democratic voters were energized. The fact that a Democrat actually has a chance to win an Alabama Senate seat, which normally wouldn’t be possible in that deep red state, shows how much trouble the GOP is in. So quit with the gloom and doom; better times are ahead.

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petesh  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:00:05pm

re: #115 Kragar

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Oh, Kragar, you are so behind the times! Anyway, ushering in the End Times is only his excuse for foreign policy. What he really wants is … I dunno, maybe a huge spike in oil prices? Or maybe distracting headlines? Both? Now, what he needs is a nice long rest at government expense somewhere that means he never has to think about what to wear each day.

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mmmirele  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:00:41pm

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:01:18pm

re: #117 petesh

Oh, Kragar, you are so behind the times! Anyway, ushering in the End Times is only his excuse for foreign policy. What he really wants is … I dunno, maybe a huge spike in oil prices? Or maybe distracting headlines? Both? Now, what he needs is a nice long rest at government expense somewhere that means he never has to think about what to wear each day.

Putin wants the price spikes, Trump wants the distraction from TrumpRussia.

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allegro  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:01:18pm

Whee! Storm is balls free and awake. I can bring my little guy home in a couple of hours.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:02:32pm

re: #120 allegro

Whee! Storm is balls free and awake. I can bring my little guy home in a couple of hours.

have to say I winced a little at that…

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S'latch  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:02:52pm

Non-Republican Senators currently publicly urging Franken to resign:
Claire McCaskill (Mo.)
Tammy Baldwin (Wis.)
Debbie Stabenow (Mich.)
Heidi Heitkamp (N.D.)
Maria Cantwell (Wash.)
Dianne Feinstein (Calif.)
Patty Murray (Wash.)
Joe Donnelly (Ind.)
Robert P. Casey Jr. (Pa.)
Sherrod Brown (Ohio)
Richard J. Durbin (Ill.)
Bernie Sanders (Vt.)

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allegro  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:02:54pm

re: #121 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

have to say I winced a little at that…

Sorry. LOL

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:04:21pm

guess bernie decided enough other people have spoken, so it’s safe to join in now:

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:05:11pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

Yes it is.

So, somewhat OT, but today, I mastered the opening riff of “Breaking the Law” on my guitar.

Judas Priest - Breaking The Law

Next, I’mma have to buy myself a cheapo amp. I’ll look for a small used one or something.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:06:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:08:18pm

oh…

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allegro  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:10:20pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh…

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Too broke to afford implants?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:11:59pm

re: #125 Dr Lizardo

Yes it is.

So, somewhat OT, but today, I mastered the opening riff of “Breaking the Law” on my guitar.

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Video

Next, I’mma have to buy myself a cheapo amp. I’ll look for a small used one or something.

Great! That’s an awesome opening riff.

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petesh  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:12:09pm

re: #128 allegro

Too broke to afford implants?

Ouch!

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S'latch  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:12:22pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wharrgarbl bless the wharrgarbl.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:12:33pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And someone who had his quack doctor declare him the most healthy person ever to run for President.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:12:51pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

guess bernie decided enough other people have spoken, so it’s safe to join in now:

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That’s Sanders for ya.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:13:18pm

Trying to think of what to say about the yam’s latest idiocy.

I’m just going to leave the internet for a while and cry instead.

The bad guys on all sides win again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:13:27pm

re: #128 allegro

Too broke to afford implants?

maybe not enough bone left to support implants.

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allegro  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:14:09pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

maybe not enough bone left to support implants.

Ah. Well that tells ya all I know about implants.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:14:28pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh…

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Ah…..that makes sense. His dentures (or perhaps a partial) came loose when he was giving the speech.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:14:36pm

re: #128 allegro

He can’t afford Poli-Grip!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:14:39pm
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Renaissance_Man  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:15:01pm

re: #116 Big Beautiful Door

You are wrong. A major parameter has changed, and that is that there is a corrupt reprehensible, deeply unpopular Republican in the White House now. History shows that the party in power loses seats in the mid-term and that’s doubly true when the President is unpopular. We saw what can happen in Virginia last month, where the GOP lost its supermajority and barely held on to control of the House of Delegates (for now) and lost a Governor’s race they thought they would win because GOP turnout was depressed and Democratic voters were energized. The fact that a Democrat actually has a chance to win an Alabama Senate seat, which normally wouldn’t be possible in that deep red state, shows how much trouble the GOP is in. So quit with the gloom and doom; better times are ahead.

A parameter has changed, which is voter turnout. That much is true. That doesn’t make me wrong. Republicans have won election after election with just their highly polarised base, and without significantly changing the parameters I described above, that strategy is all they need.

Reaching out to the middle, or independents, or undecided voters, or whatever name we wish to give them, is not as simple a strategy as having better ideas and better candidates. While you and I might think those things are paramount, the reality is that in America, those things are almost irrelevant. Getting those people to vote is about controlling a media narrative, because America exists in a state of near-total media saturation. While that media narrative is actively working to oppose you, the most qualified and most honourable candidate is extremely unlikely to win an election even if the opponent is the least charismatic and least qualified imaginable. (See Jones, Doug and Clinton, Hillary.) So again, when I say that expecting that doing the right thing will win you votes is folly, I am still not wrong.

I don’t believe better times are ahead for many reasons, but it would not be right or useful for me to go into them in detail - doomsaying is rarely productive. Suffice to say, though, that chief among those reasons is the fact that the media narrative is not changing.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:15:56pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Great! That’s an awesome opening riff.

Yeah…..it’s slow for now, but of course, I just have to keep practising at it. When the first notes came together…..I was quite happy.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:16:04pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Remember this was when Sasse tries to pass himself off as a reasonable man in his party. FFS dude your own party had pro-choice officials for decades.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:16:26pm

re: #141 Dr Lizardo

Yeah…..it’s slow for now, but of course, I just have to keep practising at it. When the first notes came together…..I was quite happy.

Hey you’re better than I am. I have no musical talent. Just music appreciation.

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allegro  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:16:42pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

Elections are not only about the present moment. They are also about who we are as a people and who we want to be in the future.

I submit women would like to be alive in the future. Their existing children would probably prefer that as well.

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darthstar  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:17:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:17:37pm

re: #137 Dr Lizardo

Ah…..that makes sense. His dentures (or perhaps a partial) came loose when he was giving the speech.

It’s like they had a life of their own the way they were just randomly moving around his mouth.
One of the weirdest things I’ve ever watched.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:18:52pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

Hey you’re better than I am. I have no musical talent. Just music appreciation.

I played piano for a long, long time. I started that when I was five and continued with formal lessons until I was 19 or so.

Of course, living in a studio apartment, I really don’t have a lot of space for a piano, LOL. And learning a new instrument is a good challenge - keeps the mind limber.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:20:17pm

re: #147 Dr Lizardo

I played piano for a long, long time. I started that when I was five and continued with formal lessons until I was 19 or so.

Of course, living in a studio apartment, I really don’t have a lot of space for a piano, LOL. And learning a new instrument is a good challenge - keeps the mind limber.

My brother played Sax for a long time. One of my regrets is not learning an instrument in school.

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S'latch  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:21:03pm

Now there are more than a dozen Democratic senators calling on Sen. Al Franken to resign. It seems his days in the Senate are numbered.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:21:09pm

re: #146 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s like they had a life of their own the way they were just randomly moving around his mouth.
One of the weirdest things I’ve ever watched.

Whatever adhesive he was using clearly didn’t work. On the bright side, well, at least they didn’t just pop right out of his mouth. That would’ve been the very zenith of embarrassment, and frankly I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, even Trump.

He’s got the money, or claims he does - I wonder why he doesn’t go with implants? Maybe he’s too old-school for his own good.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:22:25pm

re: #149 S’latch

Now there are more than a dozen Democratic senators calling on Sen. Al Franken to resign. It seems his days in the Senate are numbered.

He’s a goner.

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allegro  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:22:57pm

re: #150 Dr Lizardo

Whatever adhesive he was using clearly didn’t work. On the bright side, well, at least they didn’t just pop right out of his mouth. That would’ve been the very zenith of embarrassment, and frankly I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, even Trump.

He’s got the money, or claims he does - I wonder why he doesn’t go with implants? Maybe he’s too old-school for his own good.

You’re a better person than I. I would LMAO if that happened to the narcissistic ass.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:24:34pm

re: #150 Dr Lizardo

Of course, I just realized that maybe his dentist told him that implants weren’t appropriate for him. After all, I’d imagine there’s certain circumstances in which implants simply wouldn’t work for a particular patient, so they have to stick with dentures.

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mmmirele  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:24:46pm

I played the video of Trump at the end of his speech and my brother said it sounded like his dentures were slipping. (He wasn’t watching the video). So I’m going with “dentures slipping.” My brother then said that he couldn’t understand why a guy as wealthy as Trump didn’t get implants.

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darthstar  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:24:54pm

re: #149 S’latch

Now there are more than a dozen Democratic senators calling on Sen. Al Franken to resign. It seems his days in the Senate are numbered.

Franken is one of the few Senators who has consistently called Republicans on their lies and wasn’t afraid of hurting their feelings. If he leaves, we’ll have to rely on the spine of Chuck Schumer, while the GOP gains another sexual predator.

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fern01  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:25:09pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

guess bernie decided enough other people have spoken, so it’s safe to join in now:

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Only thing Bernie has done for the last 3 years is help trump and the GOP. The press just love him.

Good to see the dems doing their usual trick of self harm. This is why the republicans keep winning elections.

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allegro  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:25:32pm

re: #155 darthstar

Franken is one of the few Senators who has consistently called Republicans on their lies and wasn’t afraid of hurting their feelings. If he leaves, we’ll have to rely on the spine of Chuck Schumer, while the GOP gains another sexual predator.

THIS!

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:25:58pm

re: #152 allegro

You’re a better person than I. I would LMAO if that happened to the narcissistic ass.

I leave him with some tiny modicum of human dignity. It’s bad enough he’s probably incontinent and has to wear adult diapers.

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S'latch  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:26:18pm

re: #155 darthstar

Franken probably will be gone before Alabama goes to vote for its next senator. I think these senators are trying to lead by example and they think that requires Franken’s ouster.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:27:00pm
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Ace-o-aces  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:27:09pm

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

I know there are some who think Jerusalem should be an “international” city. That sounds pretty, but in actual fact it means that the housing crisis will be even more exacerbated with more and more foreign investors buying up property. Right now young families can’t afford to buy a place to live, which is a big reason that many are moving to the “settlements” while in West Jerusalem there are apartments that are unoccupied because the price is so exorbitant.

That’s an angle I hadn’t considered. However, I think most people only think about the Old City and holy sites as being “international”, not the places where most people actually live.

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darthstar  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:28:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:29:25pm

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You’re hoenstly the last person who should be talking about this, Billy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:30:00pm
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KGxvi  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:30:06pm

re: #162 darthstar

Shouldn’t that say “fake Christians, real pedophiles”?

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S'latch  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:30:13pm

re: #163 HappyWarrior

Ha! They have no shame.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:30:57pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:31:22pm

re: #150 Dr Lizardo

Whatever adhesive he was using clearly didn’t work. On the bright side, well, at least they didn’t just pop right out of his mouth. That would’ve been the very zenith of embarrassment, and frankly I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, even Trump.

He’s got the money, or claims he does - I wonder why he doesn’t go with implants? Maybe he’s too old-school for his own good.

Is it bad of me that I would wish that on Trump?

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KGxvi  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:31:23pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

You know what’d be awesome? If we had antitrust laws we actually enforced

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:31:24pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:33:00pm

Ah Ha!! Viagra goes generic next week.
abcnews.go.com

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:33:07pm

re: #155 darthstar

Franken is one of the few Senators who has consistently called Republicans on their lies and wasn’t afraid of hurting their feelings. If he leaves, we’ll have to rely on the spine of Chuck Schumer, while the GOP gains another sexual predator.

Its possible you may be surprised by how good Franken’s replacement is. I’m hoping they have a really good woman the Governor can appoint.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:34:25pm
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allegro  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:34:39pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Heard on the local news yesterday about FEMA’s sad response here in Houston. It was pointed out that those in lower income areas were having particular difficulties with their claims being denied. Those in higher income areas are being approved at much higher rates.

Golly, I was so surprised to hear that. ////

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:35:14pm

re: #172 Big Beautiful Door

Its possible you may be surprised by how good Franken’s replacement is. I’m hoping they have a really good woman the Governor can appoint.

LG, AG, and they have one woman Representative at first search. We have a couple Minnesota Lizards who know more about these people than I do though.

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:35:31pm

re: #159 S’latch

Franken probably will be gone before Alabama goes to vote for its next senator. I think these senators are trying to lead by example and they think that requires Franken’s ouster.

So the only way to do so is to crucify our own the moment an allegation is made?

Wake me up after the Great Terror has passed.

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KGxvi  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:35:33pm

re: #174 allegro

Heard on the local news yesterday about FEMA’s sad response here in Houston. It was pointed out that those in lower income areas were having particular difficulties with their claims being denied. Those in higher income areas are being approved at much higher rates.

Golly, I was so surprised to hear that. ////

Well, they have to cross-check claims with RNC/Trump campaign records for donations

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:37:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:38:13pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:39:29pm

re: #176 Targetpractice

So the only way to do so is to crucify our own the moment an allegation is made?

Wake me up after the Great Terror has passed.

Nope, they waited until after seven allegations were made. C’mon, there has got to be a point at which everyone recognizes that Franken was no longer defensible. That number turned out to be seven for most Democratic Senators.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:41:03pm

Once again it’s time for “fuck Bernie Sanders in his nasty old hairy ear”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:41:46pm
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:43:31pm

re: #168 Big Beautiful Door

Is it bad of me that I would wish that on Trump?

No, it’s not.

My mom wore dentures - she lost her teeth at an early age - and she was always very sensitive about it. I didn’t even know she wore dentures until I was in my 20s, LOL. But I get that some people are sensitive about such things. But still, Trump’s got the $$$ - presumably he could buy denture adhesive from somewhere other than WalMart’s generic product range.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:43:46pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:44:04pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:44:05pm

re: #181 goddamnedfrank

Once again it’s time for “fuck Bernie Sanders in his nasty old hairy ear”

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He keeps on spreading the lie that Trump voters voted that way because they’re suffering economically. That’s a damn lie and he really needs to stop that shit but he won’t because it helps his aegnda. And I’d love ot know “what made sense” to Trump voters, Bernie, I’d just love to hear it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:45:03pm

re: #182 Backwoods_Sleuth

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May is getting feisty; probably in part because Trump is loathed in the UK.

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freetoken  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:45:24pm

re: #184 Ace-o-aces

Fox’s purchase of the controlling portion of Sky in the UK is already being investigated. Will not Disney getting into the fray make the argument even stronger for the UK government to disallow this?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:45:30pm
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Ace-o-aces  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:46:23pm

That’s right motherfuckers, BATMAN supports Jones for Senate.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:46:38pm

re: #188 freetoken

Fox’s purchase of the controlling portion of Sky in the UK is already being investigated. Will not Disney getting into the fray make the argument even stronger for the UK government to disallow this?

Disney isn’t buying that part of Fox.

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freetoken  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:47:01pm

For what it’s worth, to understand how screwed up America is in 2017, the Facebook group “Flat Earthers In Christ” claims to have 29,207 members:

facebook.com

Our mission is to build one another up in Spirit and in Truth about the Flat Earth and its significance to what the Bible says and what is going on in world events.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:47:03pm
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freetoken  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:48:00pm

re: #191 Big Beautiful Door

Ah, so Disney just wants to buy the movies?

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:49:41pm

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

I did not know that.

Bannon graduated from a military school.

And didn’t go to Vietnam.

In 1971.

That’s……..damned peculiar, to say the least.

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JordanRules  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:50:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:50:35pm

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I believe Bannon himself does have a daughter serving himself but he also used his rag to crap on women wanting active combat roles too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:50:44pm

re: #190 Ace-o-aces

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I’ve seen the same thing happen here in my area of Appalachia.
Every single rural small hospital facing the same thing were/are for profit hospitals and they are closed or threatening to close because the huge profits they were expecting haven’t materialized, despite cutting staff and other necessary expenses.
They were perfectly good and financially viable hospitals before the for profit folks bought them.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:50:53pm

re: #195 Dr Lizardo

I did not know that.

Bannon graduated from a military school.

And didn’t go to Vietnam.

In 1971.

That’s……..damned peculiar, to say the least.

He did end up serving later but this is true.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:51:42pm

re: #194 freetoken

Ah, so Disney just wants to buy the movies?

Correct.

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TedStriker  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:52:06pm

re: #180 Big Beautiful Door

Nope, they waited until after seven allegations were made. C’mon, there has got to be a point at which everyone recognizes that Franken was no longer defensible. That number turned out to be seven for most Democratic Senators.

You’ve got to be loving this right now, seeing as you’ve been beating this drum from day one, even as many of us here were pleading for due process for Franken. Well, it looks like you’re getting your wish.

Alas, Franken is toast, when over a quarter of his own Democratic Senate colleagues (and growing) have basically given him a vote of no-confidence and are telling him to GTFO now. I don’t like it, because he has been such an effective Senator up to this point, but as one version of this saying goes, “once is an accident, twice is coincidence, three times is a pattern.”; it’s just frustrating that Democrats usually end up doing the right thing (and typically suffer for it, which means we all suffer), while Republicans lie, obfuscate, and stonewall their way past similar situations (see: Moore, Roy).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:53:00pm

re: #196 JordanRules

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oh barf…

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Kragar  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:54:19pm

re: #194 freetoken

Ah, so Disney just wants to buy the movies?

They’re basically just buying back all the rights to the Marvel stuff.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:54:55pm

re: #195 Dr Lizardo

The lottery was in place at that time. He may have had a high number. Nobody was volunteering at that point.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:57:26pm

re: #201 TedStriker

You’ve got to be loving this right now, seeing as you’ve been beating this drum from day one, even as many of us here were pleading for due process for Franken. Well, it looks like you’re getting your wish.

Alas, Franken is toast, when over a quarter of his own Democratic Senate colleagues (and growing) have basically given him a vote of no-confidence and are telling him to GTFO now. I don’t like it, because he has been such an effective Senator up to this point, but as one version of this saying goes, “once is an accident, twice is coincidence, three times is a pattern.”; it’s just frustrating that Democrats usually end up doing the right thing (and typically suffer for it, which means we all suffer), while Republicans lie, obfuscate, and stonewall their way past similar situations (see: Moore, Roy).

I would have preferred to have been wrong in my prediction and for the Tweeden incident to have been isolated. Franken, as good a Senator as he has been, is not irreplaceable. I’m hoping the Governor will appoint a woman to replace him; we need more women in the Senate.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 12:58:25pm

re: #204 Dave In Austin

The lottery was in place at that time. He may have had a high number. Nobody was volunteering at that point.

Doesn’t make Bannon any less a hypocrite.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:00:19pm

re: #196 JordanRules

Wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, @GinniThomas, presenting an award to @JamesOKeefeIII today for “defending liberty.”
— Kenneth P. Vogel

Is the award for getting busted by the Wash Post?

half sarc

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Kragar  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:01:01pm

So, a rough time line.

Back in the 90s, Marvel comics needed money, so they began selling off the film rights to their various comics, but piecemeal. That is why you had stand alone Fantastic Four, X-Men, Blade, Spiderman, and Ghost Rider movies.

Disney bought Marvel and began making their own movies, but legally couldn’t touch those certain characters since other companies owned the film rights.

For years, Disney has been trying to reacquire those rights, either thru a profit sharing deal with the companies who own those rights, like they did for “Civil War” and “Spiderman Homecoming”, or by purchasing the rights back like the deal they’re making with Fox.

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Belafon  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:02:22pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

That would put almost all of Marvel under one roof.

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:03:19pm

re: #180 Big Beautiful Door

Nope, they waited until after seven allegations were made. C’mon, there has got to be a point at which everyone recognizes that Franken was no longer defensible. That number turned out to be seven for most Democratic Senators.

You’re right, he should have been kicked at the first accusation. Why? Because we must always assume from this day forward if a single woman comes forward, more will do so and so we must be proactive. We’ll set the precedent of zero tolerance: No matter what the circumstances, if a woman comes forward, a male Democrat’s career is toast. He can expect no defense, he can expect no support from the party, but what will be expected is his resignation by closing time the same day.

Only through such a policy can we engage in the fantasy that we will be awarded by women voters.

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petesh  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:04:19pm

re: #187 Big Beautiful Door

May is getting feisty; probably in part because Trump is loathed in the UK.

No doubt. Trump has now alienated, er, well, um, everyone except Israel and I wouldn’t be too sure about Israel once Bibi gets perp-walked. Neo-Isolationism rules! [It worked so well last time. /s]

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TedStriker  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:04:38pm

re: #194 freetoken

Ah, so Disney just wants to buy the movies?

Disney can buy a big chunk of Fox, but they have to be careful to avoid antitrust issues (like it really matters much these days here in the US these days, but they still have to contend with the UK and EU). From what I’ve heard, the biggest chunk up for grabs is the Fox movie studio, which is pretty much the main reason Disney is going for this; everything except the Fox broadcast network (because of antitrust), the main Fox Sports network (the regional sports networks are apparently for sale in this deal, however), and Fox News (because I think we all know why).

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electrotek  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:05:47pm

Anyone hoping for aliens to invade the world so all of humanity have an excuse to set aside petty differences and unite against a real threat for once?

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Kragar  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:07:11pm

re: #213 electrotek

Smart Aliens would drop rocks on the oil fields, wait a year for us to turn on each other, then pick up the pieces.

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TedStriker  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:11:39pm

re: #209 Belafon

That would put almost all of Marvel under one roof.

Except for Sony’s license for Spider-Man, though Disney did claw back some limited rights to use him in the MCU.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:13:24pm

re: #210 Targetpractice

You’re right, he should have been kicked at the first accusation. Why? Because we must always assume from this day forward if a single woman comes forward, more will do so and so we must be proactive. We’ll set the precedent of zero tolerance: No matter what the circumstances, if a woman comes forward, a male Democrat’s career is toast. He can expect no defense, he can expect no support from the party, but what will be expected is his resignation by closing time the same day.

Only through such a policy can we engage in the fantasy that we will be awarded by women voters.

/////////

Lovely strawman you knocked over there. There was photographic evidence from the get go. I correctly predicted that a guy who would do to Tweeden what she alleged Franken did to her probably did it to others as well, and I was right. That doesn’t mean that every Democrat accused, regardless of the details or the weight of the evidence must go.

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Belafon  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:13:49pm

re: #215 TedStriker

Except for Sony’s license for Spider-Man, though Disney did claw back some limited rights to use him in the MCU.

Will we get a better Fantastic 4?

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Belafon  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:14:52pm

re: #216 Big Beautiful Door

Lovely strawman you knocked over there. There was photographic evidence from the get go. I correctly predicted that a guy who would do to Tweeden what she alleged Franken did to her probably did it to others as well, and I was right. That doesn’t mean that every Democrat accused, regardless of the details or the weight of the evidence must go.

There was photographic evidence of him being crude, not the physical stuff.

Not everything someone argues against you is automatically a strawman.

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Belafon  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:15:17pm

Wait until the first Democratic woman is accused.

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ericblair  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:15:34pm

re: #211 petesh

No doubt. Trump has now alienated, er, well, um, everyone except Israel and I wouldn’t be too sure about Israel once Bibi gets perp-walked. Neo-Isolationism rules! [It worked so well last time. /s]

May is doing the minimum amount of pushback she can regarding Trump based on her domestic realities. Having the yam in power is a nightmare for Brexiteers, because free trade with the US on the UK’s terms was a cornerstone of Brexit. Now that palsing around with Donald is a disaster, Brexit is looking worse every day. You really betting the farm on a good deal with this idiot?

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:15:38pm

re: #213 electrotek

Anyone hoping for aliens to invade the world so all of humanity have an excuse to set aside petty differences and unite against a real threat for once?

Where is Ozymandias when we need him?

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wrenchwench  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:15:45pm

re: #213 electrotek

Anyone hoping for aliens to invade the world so all of humanity have an excuse to set aside petty differences and unite against a real threat for once?

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TedStriker  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:16:48pm

re: #221 Big Beautiful Door

Where is Ozymandias when we need him?

Breaking Bad: Ozymandias

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:17:25pm

re: #218 Belafon

There was photographic evidence of him being crude, not the physical stuff.

Not everything someone argues against you is automatically a strawman.

Not everything is, you are right. That post was.

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Interesting Times  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:18:28pm

That second sentence in the tweet is a perfect way to sum up trumpenGOPer rule.

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Kragar  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:18:33pm

re: #217 Belafon

You mean one with The Hulk, Ghost Rider, Spiderman and Wolverine as the Fantastic Four?

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:19:25pm

re: #216 Big Beautiful Door

Lovely strawman you knocked over there. There was photographic evidence from the get go. I correctly predicted that a guy who would do to Tweeden what she alleged Franken did to her probably did it to others as well, and I was right. That doesn’t mean that every Democrat accused, regardless of the details or the weight of the evidence must go.

You called for his resignation at the very first accusation, and have smugly remarked at every new accusation that you were right for doing so. So why shouldn’t every male Democrat face calls for resignation at the first accusation?

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:21:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:23:02pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:23:43pm

re: #227 Targetpractice

You called for his resignation at the very first accusation, and have smugly remarked at every new accusation that you were right for doing so. So why shouldn’t every male Democrat face calls for resignation at the first accusation?

Because not every accusation is credible and supported by photographic evidence. You have to take these things seriously on a case-by-case basis; there is no blanket rule which applies to every situation.

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TedStriker  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:23:47pm

re: #228 FormerDirtDart

James O’Keefe forgot to tell regulators about his past conviction. Now, Project Veritas may be in troublehttps://t.co

Via @lachlan

— Sam Stein (@samstein) December 6, 2017

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:24:01pm

re: #168 Big Beautiful Door

Is it bad of me that I would wish that on Trump?

No.

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:25:24pm

re: #230 Big Beautiful Door

Because not every accusation is credible and supported by photographic evidence. You have to take these things seriously on a case-by-case basis; there is no blanket rule which applies to every situation.

Yet most of the accusations made against Franken don’t have photographic proof to back them up. Hell, half of them are being made by “anonymous” women. How do you go forward arguing that we’ll decide things on a “case-by-case” basis when you’ve already set the bar so low?

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TedStriker  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:26:06pm

re: #227 Targetpractice

You called for his resignation at the very first accusation, and have smugly remarked at every new accusation that you were right for doing so. So why shouldn’t every male Democrat face calls for resignation at the first accusation?

re: #233 Targetpractice

Yet most of the accusations made against Franken don’t have photographic proof to back them up. Hell, half of them are being made by “anonymous” women. How do you go forward arguing that we’ll decide things on a “case-by-case” basis when you’ve already set the bar so low?

Forget it, Jake…

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:27:44pm
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Ace Rothstein  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:27:56pm

re: #228 FormerDirtDart

Forgot.

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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:28:11pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

My brother played Sax for a long time. One of my regrets is not learning an instrument in school.

It is never too late to learn to play music. I didn’t start drums until I was 20 or so. Started on guitar a few years later and didn’t really get decent at it until my 30s. And I am and will always be learning.

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Belafon  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:28:33pm

re: #235 FormerDirtDart

Sounds like a short career.

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TedStriker  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:29:24pm

re: #235 FormerDirtDart

Oh man. John Conyers III, who may run to replace his father, was arrested for domestic abuse in February nbcnews.com

— Lachlan Markay (@lachlan) December 6, 2017

Oy…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:29:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:31:02pm

re: #240 Backwoods_Sleuth

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something else weird is how he has to use his left hand, fingers splayed, to forcefully hold down the binder he is signing.
was it also threatening to run away with his dentures?

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:31:34pm

re: #233 Targetpractice

Yet most of the accusations made against Franken don’t have photographic proof to back them up. Hell, half of them are being made by “anonymous” women. How do you go forward arguing that we’ll decide things on a “case-by-case” basis when you’ve already set the bar so low?

Multiple accusations don’t typically pile up against innocent people. We have at least two of the women’s accusations supported by photographs, and several of them also made contemporaneous statements to others which show that they didn’t just make this up. Seven women, some with photographs, many of whom told others at the time of the incidents what Franken did makes a substantial case. Tell me, do you really want the spectacle of these women being called to testify, one after the other, in a public hearing? I don’t see how that helps the Democratic Party or Al Franken.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:32:24pm

re: #235 FormerDirtDart

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Well that’s just great.

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Belafon  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:33:21pm

re: #242 Big Beautiful Door

Multiple accusations don’t typically pile up against innocent people. We have at least two of the women’s accusations supported by photographs, and several of them also made contemporaneous statements to others which show that they didn’t just make this up. Seven women, some with photographs, many of whom told others at the time of the incidents what Franken did makes a substantial case. Tell me, do you really want the spectacle of these women being called to testify, one after the other, in a public hearing? I don’t see how that helps the Democratic Party or Al Franken.

Russian bots. Yes, right now, multiple accusations can pile up, especially if they are anonymous.

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TedStriker  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:33:54pm

re: #235 FormerDirtDart

Oh man. John Conyers III, who may run to replace his father, was arrested for domestic abuse in February nbcnews.com

— Lachlan Markay (@lachlan) December 6, 2017

I think the Conyers legacy in Congress is pretty much dead.

The question now: who do the Democrats run?

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:34:44pm

re: #242 Big Beautiful Door

Multiple accusations don’t typically pile up against innocent people. We have at least two of the women’s accusations supported by photographs, and several of them also made contemporaneous statements to others which show that they didn’t just make this up. Seven women, some with photographs, many of whom told others at the time of the incidents what Franken did makes a substantial case. Tell me, do you really want the spectacle of these women being called to testify, one after the other, in a public hearing? I don’t see how that helps the Democratic Party or Al Franken.

Yes, I do, because I want due process instead of mob justice. Because I don’t see how it helps the DNC to set a precedent that will bite it in ass hard when a red or purple state Democrat is the one on the chopping block. The argument that we can afford to run Franken out on a rail because “The governor is a Democrat” is poisonous and will destroy us from within if we allow it to do so.

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allegro  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:34:49pm

re: #245 TedStriker

I think the Conyers legacy in Congress is pretty much dead.

The question now: who do the Democrats run?

A good start would be someone not in that family.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:35:47pm

re: #212 TedStriker

re: #214 Kragar

Years ago, when I saw Independence Day, I thought afterwards, “You know, these extraterrestrials have been studying us for years (according to the script). So presumably, they know all about our biology, our genes, etc. If they’re smart enough to come all the way here in city-sized space vehicles, then I’d think they’d be smart enough to bioengineer some virulent, fast-acting lethal airborne pathogen. Inject that into the atmosphere and voila!…..aside from the problem of billions of dead humans stinking up the place, the planet’s theirs for the taking. No fuss, no muss. Just set the pathogen loose, and in about 72 hours or so, it’s game, set, match.”

Granted, wouldn’t be a terribly exciting film.

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gocart mozart  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:36:55pm

MAGAstapo

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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:37:43pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

He keeps on spreading the lie that Trump voters voted that way because they’re suffering economically. That’s a damn lie and he really needs to stop that shit but he won’t because it helps his aegnda. And I’d love ot know “what made sense” to Trump voters, Bernie, I’d just love to hear it.

He spreads it because a lot of people on the left believe it too. I know a bunch of people that bought that aspect of Bernie. Some voted for Hillary, some ran off and voted for the two crack-pots and some didn’t vote.

And we got Trump.

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fern01  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:37:56pm

re: #230 Big Beautiful Door

Because not every accusation is credible and supported by photographic evidence. You have to take these things seriously on a case-by-case basis; there is no blanket rule which applies to every situation.

And the ones that don’t have photograpic evidence are much worse than what has been seen of Franken to date.

Democrats are their own worst enemies - they just have to attack their own at every opportunity - why not just leave it to republicans - they are a damn site better at supporting their own and attacking the opposition.

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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:39:06pm

re: #188 freetoken

Fox’s purchase of the controlling portion of Sky in the UK is already being investigated. Will not Disney getting into the fray make the argument even stronger for the UK government to disallow this?

Good point. I’ve been following a bit of the Sky thing because they have been involved in Formula racing media coverage.

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KGxvi  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:40:01pm

re: #57 Big Beautiful Door

You donate once, the emails will never stop.

It’s like voting, you just end up encouraging the bastards

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EPR-radar  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:43:44pm

Seen elsewhere on the net, in a natural conversation about Trump vs. Cthulhu, which is worse, the following gem:

In his White House brain dead Trump waits tweeting.

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danarchy  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:43:54pm

re: #248 Dr Lizardo

Years ago, when I saw Independence Day, I thought afterwards, “You know, these extraterrestrials have been studying us for years (according to the script). So presumably, they know all about our biology, our genes, etc. If they’re smart enough to come all the way here in city-sized space vehicles, then I’d think they’d be smart enough to bioengineer some virulent, fast-acting lethal airborne pathogen. Inject that into the atmosphere and voila!…..aside from the problem of billions of dead humans stinking up the place, the planet’s theirs for the taking. No fuss, no muss. Just set the pathogen loose, and in about 72 hours or so, it’s game, set, match.”

Granted, wouldn’t be a terribly exciting film.

Maybe they have some sort of weird alien religion that never allowed them to advance the field of biology. They could still have incredibly advanced physics, with god like propulsion and weapons technology and actually be behind us in the realm of genetics.

Once you’ve suspended your belief enough to accept that a half hour of coding and a MacBook are all you need to bring down an entire invasion fleet, anything is possible.

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Belafon  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:44:00pm

BTW, here’s the accusation:

D.C. was decked out and packed in for the inauguration of a young and popular new president. The town was buzzing with optimism, and one of the many events on our list was a swanky Media Matters party with Democratic notables everywhere. Then I saw Al Franken. I only bug celebrities for pictures when it’ll make my foster mom happy. She loves Franken, so I asked to get a picture with him. We posed for the shot. He immediately put his hand on my waist, grabbing a handful of flesh. I froze. Then he squeezed. At least twice.

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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:45:45pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve seen the same thing happen here in my area of Appalachia.
Every single rural small hospital facing the same thing were/are for profit hospitals and they are closed or threatening to close because the huge profits they were expecting haven’t materialized, despite cutting staff and other necessary expenses.
They were perfectly good and financially viable hospitals before the for profit folks bought them.

In the central to upper portion of Ohio, many of the smaller city hospitals that are still alive are run by Ohio Health out of Columbus or The Cleveland Clinic. Even OSU has some satellites. I am not sure about Southern Ohio, but it would not surprise me if one of the bigs in Cincinnati, Like U of Cincinnati isn’t doing the same.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:45:57pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:47:42pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:48:58pm

re: #210 Targetpractice

You’re right, he should have been kicked at the first accusation. Why? Because we must always assume from this day forward if a single woman comes forward, more will do so and so we must be proactive. We’ll set the precedent of zero tolerance: No matter what the circumstances, if a woman comes forward, a male Democrat’s career is toast. He can expect no defense, he can expect no support from the party, but what will be expected is his resignation by closing time the same day.

Only through such a policy can we engage in the fantasy that we will be awarded by women voters.

/////////

Would some of those be the women voters that voted for Trump??? And when seen on TV say he has let them down, but they would vote for him again.

Color me confused, because a lot of stuff isn’t making sense this past year.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:50:43pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:51:17pm

re: #214 Kragar

Smart Aliens would drop rocks on the oil fields, wait a year for us to turn on each other, then pick up the pieces.

Smart aliens would stay the fuck away. Earthlife humans would mess them up someway, somehow and make them wish they never saw us, guaranteed.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:51:35pm

re: #255 danarchy

Heh. I know, it’s suspension of disbelief. But sometimes, it creates glaring logical contradictions that doesn’t occur until later.

Every now and then, that can be played for a chuckle - like in Event Horizon, a film that failed to live up to its potential, where Lawrence Fishburne’s character, after seeing the video log entry of the extra-dimensional cannibal slaughter orgy, switches it off and simply says, “We’re leaving.”

That line got a theater full of laughs. The one guy with common sense who said what every sensible human being on the planet would say if confronted with a similar situation.

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Kragar  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:52:26pm
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FormerDirtDart  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:52:47pm
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Kragar  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:53:10pm

re: #262 ObserverArt

Smart aliens would stay the fuck away. Earthlife humans would mess them up someway, somehow and make them wish they never saw us, guaranteed.

“Fuck you humans. We’re here to save the Corgis.”

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:53:48pm

I wasn’t around for the discussion downstairs, and haven’t gotten to reading this whole page, but I want to emphasize that all these Franken accusations (after the first) are anonymous. Since I have to share a planet with Operation Veritas, I’m not willing to act on them unless the accusers will come forward (rape kits and depositions of children accepted in lieu of identification).

I am (just barely) old enough to remember the atmosphere when McCarthyism was thriving, and this is beginning to look like the same thing. Nip it in the bud, I say.

(This in addition to the fact that I agree with CT and Allegro that none of what has been alleged so far rises to “demand resignation” yet. As long as he will go and sin no more, anyway.)

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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:53:51pm

re: #219 Belafon

Wait until the first Democratic woman is accused.

What, you mean like Hillary?

Maybe not in the same way, but let’s just say there has been salacious talk.

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Belafon  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:54:14pm

re: #263 Dr Lizardo

I can’t post the comic from work: xkcd.com.

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:54:42pm

re: #264 Kragar

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From the same people who argued for continuing the “War on Terror” by replacing the troops with mercenaries who will be paid by the taxpayer but answerable to no one in the DoD chain of command.

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lawhawk  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:56:07pm

re: #266 Kragar

“Fuck you humans. We’re here to save the Corgis.”

The dolphins and whales….

SO LONG AND THANKS FOR ALL THE FISH!

So long and thanks for all the fish - Hitchhiker’s Guide (HD)

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:56:10pm

re: #268 ObserverArt

What, you mean like Hillary?

Maybe not in the same way, but let’s just say there has been salacious talk.

Yeah, let’s sit here and engage in a fantasy that the GOP would not for a moment have entertained the wingnut fantasies about her and Huma.

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:57:24pm

re: #269 Belafon

I can’t post the comic from work: xkcd.com.

And still a better story than World War Z, aka 2 hours of Brad Pitt getting other people killed.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:57:35pm
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Decatur Deb  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:58:35pm

re: #270 Targetpractice

From the same people who argued for continuing the “War on Terror” by replacing the troops with mercenaries who will be paid by the taxpayer but answerable to no one in the DoD chain of command.

Better, with the Blackwater/Xe/Academi/??? link, it’s the same people who executed that ploy for profit.

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 1:58:39pm

re: #274 goddamnedfrank

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“Do we have to vote again? Why can’t I just vote on Facebook?”

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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:00:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:00:09pm

re: #274 goddamnedfrank

We need to vote then if that’s how we feel. Does give me hope though that maybe Bernie’s lost some luster with Millennial voters because nothing about him shows that’s a goal of his.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:00:20pm

re: #35 makeitstop

I donated to the Jones campaign last night.

I’ve received six emails so far today hitting me up for more money.

Come on, guys…

I do my donations through third parties (e. g. Act Blue to avoid that.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:00:36pm

re: #277 Charles Johnson

That makes no sense.

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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:00:55pm

re: #258 goddamnedfrank

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That really needs to say “from front door to SUV.” If you know what I mean.

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fern01  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:01:01pm

re: #256 Belafon

BTW, here’s the accusation:

Thanks for posting - I’d heard it was something like this - if he wasn’t a democrat, I doubt this would have made it to print - or to the internet - not to mention it was a time when everyone was running around hugging & squeezing everyone. This is a witch hunt - unlike the Mueller inquiry.

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lawhawk  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:01:08pm

re: #279 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Downside of 3d party providers is that they take a cut so not all the money goes to the recipient.

Just saying….

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Decatur Deb  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:01:16pm

To my great joy, Judge Roy (Chester) Moore is holding a rally in Our Fair City the day before the election. Saves us a trip to Pensacola.

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:01:26pm

re: #277 Charles Johnson

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I’ve been parched many a time, and I never slurred my speech like a stroke victim.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:01:55pm

re: #285 Targetpractice

I’ve been parched many a time, and I never slurred my speech like a stroke victim.

Same here.

Well, time to call it a day. Later, Lizards.

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Jack Burton  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:03:11pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

That makes no sense.

Sounds way better to them than: “He’s a 71 year old doddering alcoholic coke-head with dementia.”

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Decatur Deb  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:03:12pm

re: #279 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I do my donations through third parties (e. g. Act Blue to avoid that.

Best we could tell, ActBlue was the official way to donate. Yeah, they’re “needy”.

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danarchy  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:03:18pm

re: #267 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I wasn’t around for the discussion downstairs, and haven’t gotten to reading this whole page, but I want to emphasize that all these Franken accusations (after the first) are anonymous. Since I have to share a planet with Operation Veritas, I’m not willing to act on them unless the accusers will come forward (rape kits and depositions of children accepted in lieu of identification).

Leeann Tweeden, Lindsay Menz, Tina Dupuy. Not all have been anonymous. I think it is fair to say that Al got a little handsy at times. Whether he should or will resign is up to him and the voters of Minnesota.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:03:57pm

re: #285 Targetpractice

I’ve been parched many a time, and I never slurred my speech like a stroke victim.

Same. I may not enunciate as well and cough a bit, but I don’t slur.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:04:02pm

re: #287 Jack Burton

Sounds way better to them than: “He’s a 71 year old doddering alcoholic coke-head with dementia.”

Yeah true.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:05:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:09:37pm

the pile on continues.

Apparently if you are a Democrat, accusations (anonymous or otherwise) have the same level of validity as conviction.
Guess that saves time and money that would be spent on due process.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:11:11pm

re: #277 Charles Johnson

Sounded like he uses an upper plate, and it was slipping. Would prevent him from properly forming the “t” sound

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:11:25pm

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

the pile on continues.

Apparently if you are a Democrat, accusations (anonymous or otherwise) have the same level of validity as conviction.
Guess that saves time and money that would be spent on due process.

Or why stay a member of a party who is giving Roy Moore money?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:12:09pm

re: #256 Belafon

BTW, here’s the accusation:

Okay, I’m sorry, but ‘groped’ implies touching what Sheldon calls ‘bathing suit areas’, but I’d defer to differing opinions from women here. Your waist doesn’t qualify.

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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:12:12pm

So, I hope all are watching how Franken being called to step down is being spun politically. Yep. Now the Dems are only doing this for politics and to show up Moore. No matter what you do, the dirty politics people will make it well, dirty politics.

Always try to remember…they are the Republicans. They have historically low approval numbers and they will do everything they can to get and hold power.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:14:14pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:14:37pm

re: #297 ObserverArt

So, I hope all are watching how Franken being called to step down is being spun politically. Yep. Now the Dems are only doing this for politics and to show up Moore. No matter what you do, the dirty politics people will make it well, dirty politics.

Always try to remember…they are the Republicans. They have historically low approval numbers and they will do everything they can to get and hold power.

“You’re only doing what’s right to accentuate how wrong what we’re doing is!!!”

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:14:43pm

re: #297 ObserverArt

So, I hope all are watching how Franken being called to step down is being spun politically. Yep. Now the Dems are only doing this for politics and to show up Moore. No matter what you do, the dirty politics people will make it well, dirty politics.

Always try to remember…they are the Republicans. They have historically low approval numbers and they will do everything they can to get and hold power.

We can’t very well deny it, can we? If Franken resigns now, it will not be because the DNC takes such accusations seriously, but because we want to look “better” than the GOP. But such is a fleeting and in a year, I doubt you will find many “independent” women who will state that his resignation moved them to support the DNC.

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Skip Intro  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:14:44pm

re: #245 TedStriker

I think the Conyers legacy in Congress is pretty much dead.

The question now: who do the Democrats run?

Anybody but Conyers III.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:18:27pm

re: #245 TedStriker

I think the Conyers legacy in Congress is pretty much dead.

The question now: who do the Democrats run?

Whoever wins the primary, unless it’s Hillary, ‘cause then it would be rigged.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:18:36pm

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JordanRules  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:19:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:20:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:20:42pm

re: #304 JordanRules

States rights except guns, got it.

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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:22:19pm

re: #300 Targetpractice

We can’t very well deny it, can we? If Franken resigns now, it will not be because the DNC takes such accusations seriously, but because we want to look “better” than the GOP. But such is a fleeting and in a year, I doubt you will find many “independent” women who will state that his resignation moved them to support the DNC.

I do believe this all goes under the definition of the phrase: you can’t win for losing.

Now, I do not know who coined the phrase, but I am betting he was a liberal.

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Skip Intro  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:23:18pm

re: #306 HappyWarrior

States rights except guns, got it.

And local internet providers and health care and voting rights and privacy and …..

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:23:31pm

re: #306 HappyWarrior

States rights except guns, got it.

“States rights” only matter when Democrats are in power. When Republicans take over, suddenly the “nanny state” isn’t such a bad thing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:23:51pm

re: #308 Skip Intro

And local internet providers and health care and voting rights and privacy and …..

Pot. Don’t forget pot.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:23:52pm

re: #35 makeitstop

I donated to the Jones campaign last night.

I’ve received six emails so far today hitting me up for more money.

Come on, guys…

Only six? It will continue!! I have contributed online (more than once actually) and within a few minutes of their thanks, I receive requests from everyone for Jones. And don’t expect it to stop after the election; you have been added to a list and other candidates nationwide will solicit your support.

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JordanRules  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:24:03pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:24:36pm

re: #155 darthstar

Franken is one of the few Senators who has consistently called Republicans on their lies and wasn’t afraid of hurting their feelings. If he leaves, we’ll have to rely on the spine of Chuck Schumer, while the GOP gains another sexual predator.

I emailed telling him to hang in there.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:25:26pm

re: #311 Hecuba’s daughter

Only six? It will continue!! I have contributed online (more than once actually) and within a few minutes of their thanks, I receive requests from everyone for Jones. And don’t expect it to stop after the election; you have been added to a list and other candidates nationwide will solicit your support.

Jones wants my money. Moore wants my grand-daughters.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:26:16pm

Now that the White House put out this bullshit excuse for Trump’s slurred words, I’m more convinced than ever that something is going on with him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:26:40pm

re: #312 JordanRules

Hey, remember when Trump said “You never know about an ally. An ally can turn”?

He meant us. America. WE are the ones “you never know about” now.

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:26:57pm

re: #307 ObserverArt

I do believe this all goes under the definition of the phrase: you can’t win for losing.

Now, I do not know who coined the phrase, but I am betting he was a liberal.

To quote from one of my favorite games: “Truth is…the game was rigged from the start.” From the moment the first accusation was made, there was never going to be a “fair” outcome. And the same will apply to the next Democrat accused, and the one after him, and so forth. Anybody who thinks we can take things on a “case-by-case basis” or that we can pick and choose which Democrats we defend is delusional. Either we make a stand now or we resign ourselves to losing whoever the GOP decides today is too great a threat to allow to remain in office.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:26:58pm

re: #283 lawhawk

Downside of 3d party providers is that they take a cut so not all the money goes to the recipient.

Just saying….

The ones I use request a small donation to them in addition (and get it from me — worth it to spare me the aggravation).

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Decatur Deb  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:28:13pm

re: #316 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, remember when Trump said “You never know about an ally. An ally can turn”?

He meant us. America. WE are the ones “you never know about” now.

See? He was right.

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:28:15pm

re: #315 Charles Johnson

Now that the White House put out this bullshit excuse for Trump’s slurred words, I’m more convinced than ever that something is going on with him.

“Weekend at Donald’s,” coming to a White House near you.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:29:27pm

Oh Lord…

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Decatur Deb  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:29:53pm

re: #318 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

The ones I use request a small donation to them in addition (and get it from me — worth it to spare me the aggravation).

Jones’ campaign website donation button sent us directly to ActBlue. The AL Dems might not have an effective funding path.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:29:53pm

re: #316 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, remember when Trump said “You never know about an ally. An ally can turn”?

He meant us. America. WE are the ones “you never know about” now.

he told us he was a snake…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:31:01pm

re: #288 Decatur Deb

Best we could tell, ActBlue was the official way to donate. Yeah, they’re “needy”.

I had to unsubscribe from actblue because of the constant begging and messages with the subject “Jeff doesn’t care about …?”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:31:07pm

re: #321 Dave In Austin

Oh Lord…

Yuck.

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calochortus  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:31:20pm

re: #315 Charles Johnson

Now that the White House put out this bullshit excuse for Trump’s slurred words, I’m more convinced than ever that something is going on with him.

A slipping denture would be humiliating. Good enough for me!

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Stanley Sea  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:32:13pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:32:49pm

re: #315 Charles Johnson

Now that the White House put out this bullshit excuse for Trump’s slurred words, I’m more convinced than ever that something is going on with him.

They probably can’t admit he’s literally toothless.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:34:10pm

No biggie.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:34:18pm

re: #327 Stanley Sea

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So Republican Senate will need one fewer vote to get their TaxScam passed?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:34:35pm

re: #327 Stanley Sea

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I love democrats. We’re noble, and moral, and stupid.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:34:53pm

Trump’s a billionaire. He wouldn’t have dentures, he’d have implants. Dentures are for the little people, not the ubermensch like Donnie.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:35:43pm

re: #328 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

They probably can’t admit he’s literally toothless.

Didn’t his “doctor” attest that he is the healthiest person every to occupy the office? ///

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:35:50pm

In the background, Mike Dense looks like a corpse.

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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:37:10pm

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

he told us he was a snake…

…and a pussy grabber…

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:37:15pm

re: #327 Stanley Sea

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So this is what it’s like to watch a political party commit suicide.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:37:16pm

re: #237 ObserverArt

It is never too late to learn to play music. I didn’t start drums until I was 20 or so. Started on guitar a few years later and didn’t really get decent at it until my 30s. And I am and will always be learning.

Seconded. I am 52 and took some guitar lessons earlier this year after a little while of trying to learn a bit on my own. 99 44/100 % chance I am the worst player here, but I LOVE it (and love every tiny bit of progress I make.)
The next twelve months are going to go by no matter what you do. I’d rather be a year older having tried something (even if I fail) than a year older and exactly the same as I was.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:37:22pm

re: #329 Stanley Sea

No biggie.

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It’s not like this war has been going on very long. Everyone will probably be okay with it.
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BeachDem  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:37:53pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

guess bernie decided enough other people have spoken, so it’s safe to join in now:

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Meanwhile—le sigh.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:38:25pm

re: #332 Charles Johnson

Trump’s a billionaire. He wouldn’t have dentures, he’d have implants. Dentures are for the little people, not the ubermensch like Donnie.

Not if his jaw is in such bad shape that he can’t have them.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:38:31pm

re: #337 Jebediah, RBG

Seconded. I am 52 and took some guitar lessons earlier this year after a little while of trying to learn a bit on my own. 99 44/100 % chance I am the worst player here, but I LOVE it (and love every tiny bit of progress I make.)
The next twelve months are going to go by no matter what you do. I’d rather be a year older having tried something (even if I fail) than a year older and exactly the same as I was.

Yeah you guys are right. It’s not too late. I think I need to decide what instrument I want to learn too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:38:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:38:48pm

re: #339 BeachDem

Meanwhile—le sigh.

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JFC.

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TedStriker  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:39:12pm

re: #306 HappyWarrior

States rights except guns, got it.

And healthcare. And municipal broadband. And pot.

And on and on.

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calochortus  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:39:20pm

re: #332 Charles Johnson

Trump’s a billionaire. He wouldn’t have dentures, he’d have implants. Dentures are for the little people, not the ubermensch like Donnie.

It’s not always possible to have implants.

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plansbandc  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:39:37pm

re: #332 Charles Johnson

True, but if he has major bone loss, they can’t do implants. It’s why I have a partial.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:39:44pm

re: #296 Blind Frog Belly White

OK, here’s the thing, and try to bear with me…
ANY unwanted touch isn’t cool. Waist, hair, neck, shoulder, etc. However, when there’s a photo op, the standard is a bit different. If someone squeezed my waist during a photo and wasn’t otherwise being a fucking creep, I don’t think I’d feel violated. If the situation was happy and celebratory, then I’d probably interpret that as being affectionate more than lecherous.

But, and here’s the tricky part, I, or you, or anyone else doesn’t get to tell another person what their personal boundaries are. That’s part of the bigger problem, I cannot tell you how many times I have heard people minimize,dismiss and excuse shitty behavior based on their own boundaries or feelings. Also tricky in this time, is ratfucking and outright lying (see Cernovich, Mike) and digging for bullshit that can be exploited. Hell, James O’Keefe has operatives in Alabama right NOW trying to fuck with the Moore campaign. With lies, edits and lots of innuendo. Campaigns and elected officials have simply GOT to be aware of this shit and adjust. And FFS fight back.

One thing I learned a long time ago, as a survivor of domestic violence, is that you can be “nice”, accommodating, take the high road and all that shit and it means nothing to an abusive asshole. So, you fight back with enough force to subdue the person trying to harm you. (In my case, it was a hammer to his knee and hand, and once he was on the ground crying, I ran for my life and called the police. I did not go past that point, thought it was very tempting) And then you do it again and again. Because these people cannot and will not be reasoned with, all the understand is pushback. And that is what our side is not doing nearly enough, it’s time for the gloves to come off.

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JordanRules  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:39:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:39:48pm

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sanders has since joined them. And man that guy has no idea how to deal with the media.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:40:07pm

re: #332 Charles Johnson

Trump’s a billionaire. He wouldn’t have dentures, he’d have implants. Dentures are for the little people, not the ubermensch like Donnie.

well, if he has implants, they were running all over his mouth today.

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TedStriker  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:40:28pm

re: #332 Charles Johnson

Trump’s a billionaire. He wouldn’t have dentures, he’d have implants. Dentures are for the little people, not the ubermensch like Donnie.

Unless there are medical reasons not to.

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Skip Intro  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:40:33pm

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bernie still isn’t a Democrat no matter how many times the media report otherwise and I’m really sick of it.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:40:51pm

re: #345 calochortus

It’s not always possible to have implants.

It’s not always possible to have dental care.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:40:52pm

re: #348 JordanRules

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What makes me sick is someone like Prince was able to attain the influence he did. Blackwater is something out of a dystopian novel not the supposed land of the free.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:41:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:41:43pm

re: #352 Skip Intro

Bernie still isn’t a Democrat no matter how many times the media report otherwise and I’m really sick of it.

Ditto that!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:41:50pm

re: #340 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Not if his jaw is in such bad shape that he can’t have them.

one reaches a certain age (and it’s much younger than you’d think) bone loss becomes a serious deterrent to getting implants.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:42:10pm

re: #355 Charles Johnson

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This fucking guy.

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Skip Intro  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:42:23pm

re: #345 calochortus

It’s not always possible to have implants.

Trump has PERFECT teeth. Never needed braces, never had a cavity or needed a dental cleaning. Nobody in history has ever had better teeth than trump, believe me.

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calochortus  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:44:27pm

re: #353 Decatur Deb

It’s not always possible to have dental care.

That wouldn’t be Donnie’s problem though, would it? I was thinking about bone deterioration or being on steroids or something. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:45:11pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:45:11pm

re: #341 HappyWarrior

Yeah you guys are right. It’s not too late. I think I need to decide what instrument I want to learn too.

I’m thinking you are a keyboards kind of guy. Just a feeling. I’d suggest an inexpensive Korg or Yamaha 5 or so octave synth that has a multitude of “voices” so you can play organ and piano to some synth sounds. If it also has a rhythm box feature, then all the more you can learn with.

Or a guitar. Guitar is always good.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:45:33pm

re: #360 calochortus

That wouldn’t be Donnie’s problem though, would it? I was thinking about bone deterioration or being on steroids or something.

Syph. Go big or go home.

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calochortus  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:47:21pm

re: #363 Decatur Deb

Syph. Go big or go home.

Well, he did have his own, personal Vietnam, didn’t he?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:48:04pm

re: #364 calochortus

Well, he did have his own, personal Vietnam, didn’t he?

His name should be on a wall. Lots of walls.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:48:21pm

re: #365 Decatur Deb

His name should be on a wall. Lots of walls.

The best walls.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:48:55pm
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Decatur Deb  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:49:08pm

re: #366 Ace Rothstein

The best walls.

Vincente Fox still aint fuckn’ paying for them.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:49:09pm

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yep. The right wants to ignore Thomas.

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TedStriker  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:50:23pm

re: #365 Decatur Deb

His name should be on a wall. Lots of walls.

re: #366 Ace Rothstein

The best walls.

LIke in truckstop bathroom stalls.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:50:52pm

re: #370 TedStriker

LIke in truckstop bathroom stalls.

In Minsk.

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Skip Intro  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:50:59pm

re: #369 HappyWarrior

Yep. The right wants to ignore Thomas.

Too late now anyway. Hell, they’re still ignoring Trump even though he’s bragged about it.

Of course so is the worthless media.

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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:51:33pm

re: #352 Skip Intro

Bernie still isn’t a Democrat no matter how many times the media report otherwise and I’m really sick of it.

Got to agree.

Bernie is an arrogant opportunist and defines a lot of what is bad about politics. And he got worse after the Bros pumped his head up big time. Plus, it was rewarding.

He is now Berniestein the political monster…and “He’s Alive!!!”

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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:54:21pm

re: #363 Decatur Deb

Syph. Go big or go home.

Meth…go bigger.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:54:49pm

BTW, a not insignificant number of those on twitter calling for Joy Ann Reid to be fired are allegedly bernie supporters because Joy Ann dared to say something mean (yet truthful) about Jane Sanders.

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plansbandc  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:57:10pm

re: #362 ObserverArt

I want to learn how to play the mandolin. I can play piano a bit and read music, but never tried to play any string instruments.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:57:44pm

re: #374 ObserverArt

Meth…go bigger.

Meth is declasse. Syph moves in the best circles.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:58:17pm

re: #372 Skip Intro

Too late now anyway. Hell, they’re still ignoring Trump even though he’s bragged about it.

Of course so is the worthless media.

Yep too true.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:58:42pm

“This year, we will finish fellating the rich. Next year, we’ll get to raping the poor.”

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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 2:58:55pm

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

BTW, a not insignificant number of those on twitter calling for Joy Ann Reid to be fired are allegedly bernie supporters because Joy Ann dared to say something mean (yet truthful) about Jane Sanders.

I did not know.

So, I typed “joy reid on jane sanders” into google and oh boy…

Yeesh.

I’m gonna go pound on some drums.

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:02:07pm

re: #379 Blind Frog Belly White

“This year, we will finish fellating the rich. Next year, we’ll get to raping the poor.”

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It’s the same song and dance every time: Explode the debt with tax cuts and defense spending, then declare that new debt as reason to go at “entitlements” with pickaxes and chainsaws.

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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:02:20pm

Ari Melber is doing a report on the House doing some kind of an impeachment thing a bit later. I don’t know what is up, but I saw a lot of “yay” votes from both parties. I wonder what is up.

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Skip Intro  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:03:05pm

re: #379 Blind Frog Belly White

“This year, we will finish fellating the rich. Next year, we’ll get to raping the poor.”

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Surprising, since their YUUUUGE tax cut is going to make the economy grow at the highest rate in the history of the world.

They must be doing this just because they’re the biggest assholes in the history of the world.

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Skip Intro  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:03:26pm

re: #382 ObserverArt

Ari Melber is doing a report on the House doing some kind of an impeachment thing a bit later. I don’t know what is up, but I saw a lot of “yay” votes from both parties. I wonder what is up.

Hillary’s a goner.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:03:58pm

LOL how fucking pathetic. McCain had his plea thrown back in his face so his staff went out and bought followers.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:03:59pm

re: #384 Skip Intro

Hillary’s a goner.

And Obama.

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dangerman  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:04:58pm

tech sux

let me explain

sitting in a doc’s office waiting room, thought i was on their wifi with my phone
on this thread
really hard to post using a phone so i was was reading this thread and updinging whatever was worthy
turns out the page loaded, then wifi kicked me off
so none of the updings transmitted
i figured it out the hard way - the thing never told me

apologies to all i dinged

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calochortus  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:06:05pm

re: #387 dangerman

tech sux

let me explain

sitting in a doc’s office waiting room, thought i was on their wifi with my phone
on this thread
really hard to post using a phone so i was was reading this thread and updinging whatever was worthy
turns out the page loaded, then wifi kicked me off
so none of the updings transmitted
i figured it out the hard way - the thing never told me

apologies to all i dinged

We love you anyway.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:06:09pm
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dangerman  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:07:16pm

re: #337 Jebediah, RBG

Seconded. I am 52 and took some guitar lessons earlier this year after a little while of trying to learn a bit on my own. 99 44/100 % chance I am the worst player here, but I LOVE it (and love every tiny bit of progress I make.)
The next twelve months are going to go by no matter what you do. I’d rather be a year older having tried something (even if I fail) than a year older and exactly the same as I was.

i promise you are not the worst. though you may tie for it

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:07:41pm

Hey, remember that gay man denied a marriage license by her who is now running agaist her?

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dangerman  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:07:53pm

re: #341 HappyWarrior

Yeah you guys are right. It’s not too late. I think I need to decide what instrument I want to learn too.

i’ve been playing the “stereo” since, …well never mind.

it has been most satisfying

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Decatur Deb  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:09:31pm

re: #387 dangerman

tech sux

let me explain

sitting in a doc’s office waiting room, thought i was on their wifi with my phone
on this thread
really hard to post using a phone so i was was reading this thread and updinging whatever was worthy
turns out the page loaded, then wifi kicked me off
so none of the updings transmitted
i figured it out the hard way - the thing never told me

apologies to all i dinged

With the vigorish, you can pay that off at 220 dings per day.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:09:46pm

So, what’s next for the yam?

Recognizing Russia’s sovereignty over Crimea and the Ukraine I’m betting.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:10:18pm

re: #393 Decatur Deb

With the vigorish, you can pay that off at 220 dings per day.

But remember to do it every day, or Nick and Vinnie will pay you a visit.

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BeachDem  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:10:53pm

re: #312 JordanRules

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And we have that powerhouse of international knowledge, Nikki Haley, as our UN ambassador. Ugh.

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dangerman  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:14:09pm

re: #393 Decatur Deb

With the vigorish, you can pay that off at 220 dings per day.

that plus resolving to play every single music video that gets posted, i’ll never get any work done.

….that’s how they get their hooks into you, and then they own your life….

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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:14:31pm

Happiness is a house that smells of a new batch of chili. And then the first bowl. Mmmmm.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:14:52pm

re: #397 dangerman

that plus resolving to play every single music video that gets posted, i’ll never get any work done.

….that’s how they get their hooks into you, and then they own your life….

Just when you think you’re out….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:15:46pm

It must be all the white people and Christians and people who say ‘Merry Christmas’ always being under attack.

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Skip Intro  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:16:13pm

re: #394 Romantic Heretic

So, what’s next for the yam?

Recognizing Russia’s sovereignty over Crimea and the Ukraine I’m betting.

Pulling the US out of the Olympics in solidarity with Russia?

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:16:16pm

It didn’t end with Sam Seder, Alt-Right racists are now targeting so-called “SJW” writers and artists in the comic book industry.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:16:44pm

re: #397 dangerman

that plus resolving to play every single music video that gets posted, i’ll never get any work done.

….that’s how they get their hooks into you, and then they own your life….

Now, where’s that 19-hour video of Der Ring Des Nibelungens when you need it…..

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:17:02pm

Gowdy doesn’t care.
And, this is exactly why Cummings’ made his letter public

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Skip Intro  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:18:33pm

re: #402 DodgerFan1988

It didn’t end with Sam Seder, Alt-Right racists are now targeting so-called “SJW” writers and artists in the comic book industry.

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The book burnings will commence next Fall.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:18:59pm

re: #403 Blind Frog Belly White

Now, where’s that 19-hour video of Der Ring Des Nibelungens when you need it…..

What’s Opera, Doc YouTube

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:19:48pm

re: #405 Skip Intro

The book burnings will commence next Fall.

Makes Amazon’s choice of ‘Kindle’ as their eBook reader rather unfortunate, I suppose….

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:20:02pm

re: #404 FormerDirtDart

Gowdy doesn’t care.
And, this is exactly why Cummings’ made his letter public

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Hey Trey, we’ll just keep saying what the GOP did for 4 fucking years: “We still have questions…”

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BeachDem  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:20:40pm

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And one of Ken Starr’s buddies and a Heartland Institute asshole thinks Ruth Bader Ginsburg should recuse herself from the travel ban hearings because she said Trump is a faker.
washingtonpost.com

I am shaking my head so hard, I can hear my brain rattle.

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darthstar  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:21:41pm

This is great…a little dark, but great.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:22:22pm

Had the consult earlier today and am a candidate for the CATz Lasik procedure. Scheduled the surgery for next Thursday, ‘bout to pour some serious cash into my eyeholes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:22:37pm

re: #406 Decatur Deb

“The scene opens in the River Rhine. IN IT.”

YouTube

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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:23:33pm

So, Ari’s report is that Democratic Rep Al Green introduced an impeachment resolution and is now entered into Public Record but the resolution failed. Not all Democrats voted for it. Pelosi and some others said it was not time.

I think Ari mentioned it is the first time a resolution has been brought up since 2008. Probably Bush in his last days.

No biggie. And I think I got scammed on the video I first saw in his opening. It must not have been this vote…it was a generic House vote video. Grrr.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:23:37pm

re: #411 goddamnedfrank

Had the consult earlier today and am a candidate for the CATz Lasik procedure. Scheduled the surgery for next Thursday, ‘bout to pour some serious cash into my eyeholes.

Best thing you’ll ever do!

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:23:39pm

re: #39 Citizen K

Just in case someone thought Dems might get credit for trying to ouster Franken:

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Yes, it’s Erick, son of Erick, but he’s not exactly out of the mainstream far as Republican attitudes either, which is rather the point.

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petesh  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:26:03pm

re: #379 Blind Frog Belly White

“This year, we will finish fellating the rich. Next year, we’ll get to raping the poor.”

[Embedded content]

Perfect. Your own?

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Scout  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:27:04pm

re: #35 makeitstop

I donated to the Jones campaign last night.

I’ve received six emails so far today hitting me up for more money.

Come on, guys…

You can go down to the bottom of one of the emails and adjust the frequency they come. I did that a month ago and I’m just getting one a week now.

Thankfully, I don’t have to worry about phone calls since I live outside the U.S. (though I suspect that’s only a matter of time).

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electrotek  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:27:36pm

As a millennial (33 years old), I absolutely fucking hate the term “woke”.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:28:28pm

Some dude on Ari talking about Mueller investigating if the Kremlin bought Trump’s debt.

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darthstar  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:28:58pm

Bingo - Mueller looking to see if the Russians own the paper on Trump.

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Citizen K  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:29:56pm

re: #404 FormerDirtDart

Funny how this wasn’t a concern with fucking Benghazi and it’s 7? 8? committees.

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darthstar  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:30:19pm

re: #420 darthstar

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Decatur Deb  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:30:49pm

re: #412 Blind Frog Belly White

“She then bears him 8 daughters..”

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JordanRules  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:31:11pm
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TedStriker  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:31:43pm

re: #419 Ace Rothstein

Some dude on Ari talking about Mueller investigating if the Kremlin bought Trump’s debt.

re: #420 darthstar

Bingo - Mueller looking to see if the Russians own the paper on Trump.

re: #422 darthstar

Deutschbank loans Trump money, Moscow buys that debt. Trump is on a short leash.

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) December 6, 2017

Oh, the paper trail’s gonna be Byzantine, to be sure.

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ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:31:53pm

re: #419 Ace Rothstein

Some dude on Ari talking about Mueller investigating if the Kremlin bought Trump’s debt.

Ari is becoming my go-to show. I really am liking how Ari handles the topics and his guests.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:32:42pm

hmmmm

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JordanRules  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:32:58pm

re: #426 ObserverArt

Yeah, I’ve been impressed the few times I’ve seen the show.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:33:30pm

So if it was true that Russia bought up BLOTUS’ Deutchebank debt, he’s a goner right? I mean, JFC, a foreign adversary has the BLOTUS by the balls.

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electrotek  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:36:05pm

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

I know there are some who think Jerusalem should be an “international” city. That sounds pretty, but in actual fact it means that the housing crisis will be even more exacerbated with more and more foreign investors buying up property. Right now young families can’t afford to buy a place to live, which is a big reason that many are moving to the “settlements” while in West Jerusalem there are apartments that are unoccupied because the price is so exorbitant.

Very good point.

Imagine if Makkah and Medina became “international” cities. Can you imagine how sky-high the property values would be overnight as a result?

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Jay C  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:38:40pm

re: #394 Romantic Heretic

So, what’s next for the yam?

Recognizing Russia’s sovereignty over Crimea and the Ukraine I’m betting.

Naaah, probably just the first bit, in exchange for Vlad’s pinkie-swear that he won’t try to grab any more of Ukraine than he already has. Honest Injun!!!*

* or a politically-correct alternative

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electrotek  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:38:44pm

Holy shit, are people REALLY blaming Obama for the Libyan slave trade????

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:38:56pm

re: #341 HappyWarrior

Go for it!

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jaunte  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:39:30pm

“…the noble quesh for lashing peace.”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:42:47pm

Franken’s office disputes report that he plans to resign

what i want is for al to walk out to the podium, play a tape of the ‘grab em by the pussy” conversation, and say “i’ll resign when trump resigns”

and take no questions

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Citizen K  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:42:56pm

re: #432 electrotek

Holy shit, are people REALLY blaming Obama for the Libyan slave trade????

Why not, they blame him for everything else up to the freakin’ JFK assassination.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:43:55pm

re: #432 electrotek

Holy shit, are people REALLY blaming Obama for the Libyan slave trade????

Why not? They blame him for everything else including their bigotry.

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petesh  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:47:19pm

re: #435 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Franken’s office disputes report that he plans to resign

what i want is for al to walk out to the podium, play a tape of the ‘grab em by the pussy” conversation, and say “i’ll resign when trump resigns”

and take no questions

I wouldn’t put it past him! Turn this into an almighty FU. I actually hope he doesn’t, but it sure would be fun to see.

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allegro  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:51:26pm

re: #435 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Franken’s office disputes report that he plans to resign

what i want is for al to walk out to the podium, play a tape of the ‘grab em by the pussy” conversation, and say “i’ll resign when trump resigns”

and take no questions

I would like for him to take it a bit further and demand a hearing for himself, all others who have been accused and those who have done all the secret settlements, including Trump. Let’s DO have this conversation and pull it all out into the open. His resignation accomplishes nada, just shoves it back into the political gamesmanship bucket without addressing the issue at all. Let’s find out who is really sincere about changing our culture of harassment. Franken can lead the charge by putting himself AND all the others in the hot seat.

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:54:02pm

re: #435 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Franken’s office disputes report that he plans to resign

what i want is for al to walk out to the podium, play a tape of the ‘grab em by the pussy” conversation, and say “i’ll resign when trump resigns”

and take no questions

I want him to walk up to the podium tomorrow and say “I have already pledged to submit to an investigation by the Senate Ethics Committee and I will not abandon that pledge to appease those members of my party who would not speak on my behalf but would rush to push me out of office. If they wish me gone that badly, then I advise them to work with the Republican Party to do just that through a proper vote. Until then, I will continue to serve the people of Minnesota in the best manner that I can.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:54:58pm

re: #416 petesh

Perfect. Your own?

Fresh brewed today!

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:55:30pm

Finally the GOP has passed legislation in response to the Las Vegas shooting massacre. That will deter future mass shootings!

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:56:15pm

re: #442 DodgerFan1988

Finally the GOP has passed legislation in response to the Las Vegas shooting massacre. That will deter future mass shootings!

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GOP passes bills like this, then points to cities like Chicago as “proof” that gun control doesn’t work.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:56:34pm

re: #434 jaunte

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“…the noble quesh for lashing peace.”

Bad Sean Connery impression?

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electrotek  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:56:37pm

re: #442 DodgerFan1988

Finally the GOP has passed legislation in response to the Las Vegas shooting massacre. That will deter future mass shootings!

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Oh why did I have to scroll after your comment :(

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electrotek  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:57:03pm

re: #443 Targetpractice

GOP passes bills like this, then points to cities like Chicago as “proof” that gun control doesn’t work.

And then complain about attacks like the one in Garland.

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TedStriker  Dec 6, 2017 • 3:58:13pm

re: #444 Blind Frog Belly White

Bad Sean Connery impression?

“I’ll take, ‘Anal Bum Cover’, Alex.”

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:01:45pm

Oh, and I wanna burst the bubble of those who think that forcing Franken’s resignation now will somehow win over women voters because it shows we take sexual harassment/assault “seriously.” That ship sailed when the DNC didn’t demand his immediate resignation and push to remove him from office. Now, if he does resign from office tomorrow, any possible positive outcome will be drowned out by “THEY DIDN’T FORCE HIM TO RESIGN UNTIL IT BECAME IMPOSSIBLE TO DEFEND HIM!” And yes, even female Democrats will get slagged, attacked for not speaking up until now, thus “condoning” such behavior from Franken.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:02:33pm

Steve Bannon is one of the most overrated people today. An absolute clown.

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plansbandc  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:04:02pm

re: #449 Ace Rothstein

I tweeted that he looks like the type of guy who would beat up hobos and steal their Thunderbird.

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William Lewis  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:06:07pm

re: #435 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Franken’s office disputes report that he plans to resign

what i want is for al to walk out to the podium, play a tape of the ‘grab em by the pussy” conversation, and say “i’ll resign when trump resigns”

and take no questions

Hell yes.

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jaunte  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:06:57pm
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TedStriker  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:08:51pm

re: #452 jaunte

Basically, when “conservatives” are in charge in DC, states have no rights that the Feds don’t want them to have (and bonus points if it’s a liberal cause and/or liberal state).

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:08:52pm

re: #452 jaunte

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Not really. Those of us who were paying attention during the Bush and Obama years remember how the GOP cared for “states rights” on when it was time to clamp down on women’s rights or defend slavery.

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Citizen K  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:09:13pm

re: #448 Targetpractice

Oh, and I wanna burst the bubble of those who think that forcing Franken’s resignation now will somehow win over women voters because it shows we take sexual harassment/assault “seriously.” That ship sailed when the DNC didn’t demand his immediate resignation and push to remove him from office. Now, if he does resign from office tomorrow, any possible positive outcome will be drowned out by “THEY DIDN’T FORCE HIM TO RESIGN UNTIL IT BECAME IMPOSSIBLE TO DEFEND HIM!” And yes, even female Democrats will get slagged, attacked for not speaking up until now, thus “condoning” such behavior from Franken.

Lets be honest: the moment he was first accused, he was going to be held around Dem’s necks like an albatross regardless, no matter how drawn out it was or wasn’t, regardless of how serious the charges might or might not have been, etc. That’s how the current standard works.

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jaunte  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:10:45pm

re: #454 Targetpractice

Come to think of it, Southern conservatives didn’t have much use for states’ rights in the 1850s either.

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allegro  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:15:49pm

re: #439 allegro

I would like for him to take it a bit further and demand a hearing for himself, all others who have been accused and those who have done all the secret settlements, including Trump. Let’s DO have this conversation and pull it all out into the open. His resignation accomplishes nada, just shoves it back into the political gamesmanship bucket without addressing the issue at all. Let’s find out who is really sincere about changing our culture of harassment. Franken can lead the charge by putting himself AND all the others in the hot seat.

One more thing… let’s put women and only women in charge of the hearing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:16:38pm

re: #447 TedStriker

“I’ll take, ‘Anal Bum Cover’, Alex.”

“I’ll take ‘The Rapists’ for $400!”

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scottslemmons  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:16:56pm

re: #400 Blind Frog Belly White

It must be all the white people and Christians and people who say ‘Merry Christmas’ always being under attack.

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I know more than one person who suffers from chronic pain that their doctors refuse to treat because they’ll get arrested for prescribing painkillers. Countries with sane health care systems don’t necessarily have that problem… :/

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:18:14pm

re: #317 Targetpractice

To quote from one of my favorite games: “Truth is…the game was rigged from the start.” From the moment the first accusation was made, there was never going to be a “fair” outcome. And the same will apply to the next Democrat accused, and the one after him, and so forth. Anybody who thinks we can take things on a “case-by-case basis” or that we can pick and choose which Democrats we defend is delusional. Either we make a stand now or we resign ourselves to losing whoever the GOP decides today is too great a threat to allow to remain in office.

That is just tribalism. If we defend our sexual predators no matter what, we’re the same as the Republicans backing Moore.

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:21:04pm

re: #460 Big Beautiful Door

That is just tribalism. If we defend our sexual predators no matter what, we’re the same as the Republicans backing Moore.

Which is why we can’t take things on a “case-by-case basis,” not without being called hypocrites for believing some “victims” but not others.

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scottslemmons  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:23:33pm

re: #402 DodgerFan1988

It didn’t end with Sam Seder, Alt-Right racists are now targeting so-called “SJW” writers and artists in the comic book industry.

[Embedded content]

Comics already has a severe problem with alt-righters writing comics. No publisher should want to work with Nick Spencer and Ethan Van Sciver, former powerhouse writer Chuck Austin is actually writing a comic for Vox Day, and the Diversity and Comics Twitter account is clearly gunning to be the Cernovich for the comics world.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:26:27pm
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scottslemmons  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:26:58pm

re: #39 Citizen K

Just in case someone thought Dems might get credit for trying to ouster Franken:

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Yes, it’s Erick, son of Erick, but he’s not exactly out of the mainstream far as Republican attitudes either, which is rather the point.

It’s a rock-solid guarantee that Erick (and probably 95% of the conservative punditsphere) has a history of groping women. When the lid on that finally comes off… well, probably nothing will happen, because the conservative punditsphere would never turn on a man for abusing a woman. :/

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nowherenorth2  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:27:01pm

re: #462 scottslemmons

I have been out of comics for a while. I am wondering why nick spencer a d Ethan van sciver shouldn’t be worked with. Sorry man. I dont have a Twitter and am trying to look up articles now.

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Citizen K  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:28:19pm

re: #462 scottslemmons

Comics already has a severe problem with alt-righters writing comics. No publisher should want to work with Nick Spencer and Ethan Van Sciver, former powerhouse writer Chuck Austin is actually writing a comic for Vox Day, and the Diversity and Comics Twitter account is clearly gunning to be the Cernovich for the comics world.

Which doesn’t even get into things like the dark places Frank Miller has gone the last decade or so, or Mark Millar’s abiding nihilism and WoT cheerleadering on Civil War.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:29:54pm

re: #463 goddamnedfrank

Mind you, maybe there should be a White Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:30:19pm

re: #462 scottslemmons

Comics already has a severe problem with alt-righters writing comics. No publisher should want to work with Nick Spencer and Ethan Van Sciver, former powerhouse writer Chuck Austin is actually writing a comic for Vox Day, and the Diversity and Comics Twitter account is clearly gunning to be the Cernovich for the comics world.

These racists still can’t get over a black Nick Fury.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:31:08pm

re: #468 DodgerFan1988

These racists still can’t get over a black Nick Fury.

FTFY

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scottslemmons  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:32:30pm

re: #465 nowherenorth2

I have been out of comics for a while. I am wondering why nick spencer a d Ethan van sciver shouldn’t be worked with. Sorry man. I dont have a Twitter and am trying to look up articles now.

Nick Spencer is the writer who turned Captain America into a Nazi and then loudly, obnoxiously defended it for a year or more. Van Sciver has a very long history of being Nazi-friendly.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:34:18pm
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nowherenorth2  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:36:13pm

re: #470 scottslemmons

Thank you. I did find articles on both and it is upsetting to say the least.
I knew about the vox day comic crap. Ugh. Hurts my heart as a nerd

473
Patricia Kayden  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:36:56pm

re: #402 DodgerFan1988

It didn’t end with Sam Seder, Alt-Right racists are now targeting so-called “SJW” writers and artists in the comic book industry.

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So much for freedom of speech. So when do Rightwingers speak out against this censorship and silencing of voices based on ideology?

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:39:23pm

re: #467 Blind Frog Belly White

Mind you, maybe there should be a White Association for the Advancement of Colored People.

There kind of already is, two of the three founders of the NAACP were white. The NAACP has always been an inclusive org, which incidentally is one of the many things that made Rachel Dolezal’s attempt to pass as black so bizarre. There was no reason that she couldn’t have held her leadership position in the Spokane chapter just being herself.

475
freetoken  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:39:57pm

Definitely felt this one:

earthquake.usgs.gov

The rumbling lasted about a second before the jolt arrived.

476
dangerman  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:41:35pm

re: #403 Blind Frog Belly White

Now, where’s that 19-hour video of Der Ring Des Nibelungens when you need it…..

i just went through lohengrin last week
that takes about 3 hours and a bit..

477
Stanley Sea  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:43:14pm

re: #475 freetoken

Definitely felt this one:

earthquake.usgs.gov

The rumbling lasted about a second before the jolt arrived.

So weird, I didn’t feel a thing!

478
Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:45:22pm
479
freetoken  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:45:48pm

re: #477 Stanley Sea

I live on a hillside that seems to make feeling EQs easier.

480
goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:46:19pm
481
dangerman  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:46:46pm

re: #452 jaunte

The House of Representatives just voted to deny states the power to set their own concealed carry laws. Guns > federalism.

the 2nd Amendment is, well 2nd
states rights is tenth

2 comes before 10
qed (gop)

482
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:47:58pm

re: #476 dangerman

i just went through lohengrin last week
that takes about 3 hours and a bit..

I grew up with my Dad listening to the Saturday Matinee broadcasts from the Metropolitan Opera. On the days when there was too much yard work/gardening to do, he’d string together a bunch of extension cords so he could listen while out in the far yard. He hit on the idea of putting the radio in a trash can that was lying on its side, and aiming the opening at wherever he was.

Compared to the 4 x 5 hour operas of The Ring, Lohengrin is a piece of cake. Well, 1x 4 hour and 3 x 5hr. Das Rheingold is merely long, not REALLY long.

483
petesh  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:48:11pm

re: #441 Blind Frog Belly White

Fresh brewed today!

I’ll have a cup of that!

484
scottslemmons  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:48:19pm

re: #472 nowherenorth2

Thank you. I did find articles on both and it is upsetting to say the least.
I knew about the vox day comic crap. Ugh. Hurts my heart as a nerd

Comics are kinda fighting for their soul right now. Plenty of people support greater diversity in the comics industry, both for creators and characters — and plenty point out that every decent superhero is a Social Justice Warrior. On the other hand, all the scared white guys are still fighting hard to make comics (and sci-fi in general) into a white-boys-only playground.

485
goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:48:31pm
486
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:49:05pm

re: #480 goddamnedfrank

They see it like a business negotiation, where the other side will make a show of being upset but then return to the table.

487
Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:49:31pm

re: #478 Charles Johnson

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And seriously, let’s drop this fantasy that forcing Franken’s resignation will amount to more than a blip in support for the DNC among “independent” women voters.

488
Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:49:42pm
489
Stanley Sea  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:49:42pm

re: #479 freetoken

I live on a hillside that seems to make feeling EQs easier.

Yeah & the map had me right outside the rings. 4.2 is pretty feel-able usually!

490
Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:51:09pm

re: #486 Blind Frog Belly White

They see it like a business negotiation, where the other side will make a show of being upset but then return to the table.

Donny’s approaching it like all his business deals: He thinks he’s in the position of greater power and the other side may rant and rage, but they’ll have to come deal with him if they want to make a deal.

He doesn’t quite get that these are sovereign nations with the ability to seriously fuck with our economy, not some low-rent independent contractors that he can sucker into taking way less than was agreed upon because otherwise they’ll have to deal with his lawyers.

491
Decatur Deb  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:51:13pm

re: #476 dangerman

i just went through lohengrin last week
that takes about 3 hours and a bit..

I have witnessed and greatly enjoyed the first act of everything which Wagner created, but the effect on me has always been so powerful that one act was quite sufficient; whenever I have witnessed two acts I have gone away physically exhausted; and whenever I have ventured an entire opera the result has been the next thing to suicide.
- Mark Twain

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TedStriker  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:51:57pm

re: #488 Charles Johnson

Only a bludgeon to bash any Democrats with.

No good deed goes unpunished, especially when it comes to the Democrats, right?

493
Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:52:24pm

re: #488 Charles Johnson

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They will portray all male Democrats as “sexual predators” and all female Democrats as “willing accomplices.” See also: Their treatment of Hollywood, where the only women that they felt like defending were Weinstein’s accusers. Every other woman was considered “complicit” for not pressing charges themselves.

494
goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:53:09pm
495
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:53:52pm

re: #490 Targetpractice

Donny’s approaching it like all his business deals: He thinks he’s in the position of greater power and the other side may rant and rage, but they’ll have to come deal with him if they want to make a deal.

He doesn’t quite get that these are sovereign nations with the ability to seriously fuck with our economy, not some low-rent independent contractors that he can sucker into taking way less than was agreed upon because otherwise they’ll have to deal with his lawyers.

This is what I meant when I said Trump misunderstands the meaning of the US as ‘The Essential Country’. He thinks it means he can shit on whoever he wants and they have to come crawling back.

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Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:54:06pm

re: #494 goddamnedfrank

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Attorney-client privilege? Seriously? And we thought Eric was the dumb one?

497
Decatur Deb  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:55:20pm

Next Week’s News Tonight:

After a surprise victory Alabama Senator Doug Jones was seated today, but after seven violated virgins from Project Veritas made allegations on the Ingraham Show, he said “Fuck it.” and went home.

498
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:55:22pm

Well, really, Jake - we’re the only party that even gives a shit about sexual misconduct. And it’s not about whether it ‘works’.

499
petesh  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:55:35pm

re: #486 Blind Frog Belly White

They see it like a business negotiation, where the other side will make a show of being upset but then return to the table.

Probably true. What they really cannot understand is anyone having any principles.

500
goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:55:41pm

re: #496 Targetpractice

Attorney-client privilege? Seriously? And we thought Eric was the dumb one?

They’re all the dumb one. It’s Fredos all the way down.

501
A Cranky One  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:58:13pm

re: #38 The Vicious Babushka

This ill conceived pronouncement is virtually guaranteed to inflame the situation and put the lives of my loved ones in danger.

That’s basically all I care about.

I made a comment to a co-worker about the harassment my sister and her husband (of Iranian descent) have been experiencing since the election: death threats, vandalism, etc. in a neighborhood where they’ve lived for over 20 years.

She responded, “What does that have to do with the election?”

When I replied by discussing the huge uptick in hate crimes (even in schools) since the election, she seemed shocked. Had no clue. So many people just aren’t paying any attention. That best change, or we’re thoroughly fucked.

502
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:58:23pm

re: #494 goddamnedfrank

He has a BS from Wharton. Pretty sure that doesn’t qualify as a law degree. And the only bars he ever passed are the ones that serve booze.

503
EPR-radar  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:59:01pm

re: #450 plansbandc

I tweeted that he looks like the type of guy who would beat up hobos and steal their Thunderbird.

I still love the line (from Wonkette IIRC) that Stave Bannon always looks like he spent the night comatose on the floor of a skeevy bar and freshened up in the morning by combing his hair with a pork chop.

504
dangerman  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:59:31pm

re: #491 Decatur Deb

I have witnessed and greatly enjoyed the first act of everything which Wagner created, but the effect on me has always been so powerful that one act was quite sufficient; whenever I have witnessed two acts I have gone away physically exhausted; and whenever I have ventured an entire opera the result has been the next thing to suicide.
- Mark Twain

I’m cribbing that

505
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 4:59:47pm

re: #501 A Cranky One

I made a comment to a co-worker about the harassment my sister and her husband (of Iranian descent) have been experiencing since the election: death threats, vandalism, etc. in a neighborhood where they’ve lived for over 20 years.

She responded, “What does that have to do with the election?”

When I replied by discussing the huge uptick in hate crimes (even in schools) since the election, she seemed shocked. Had no clue. So many people just aren’t paying any attention. That best change, or we’re thoroughly fucked.

Well, nobody’s threatened ME or vandalized MY home, so obviously all those people are lying about the rise in hate crimes.
/////////////////////////////////////////////

506
steve_davis  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:00:44pm

re: #51 Blind Frog Belly White

Damn you, Al Franken! I trusted you! I was proud of you! What the fuck?!?

He basically, like many folks, never completely grew up. he still had that mischievous streak teenaged boys get that says they can get away with immature shit, even when they’re in their mid-50’s. I’m in academia so I see a lot of it. I assume it’s pretty common in the Catholic priesthood as well.

507
EPR-radar  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:00:54pm

re: #452 jaunte

What is this shit about Guns > states rights being a major shift for conservatives?

US conservatives have always been two-faced about state’s rights, going right back to the slavers making sure a fugitive slave clause was in the constitution.

508
Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:01:59pm

re: #498 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, really, Jake - we’re the only party that even gives a shit about sexual misconduct. And it’s not about whether it ‘works’.

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No, it won’t, because nobody will give them credit for it. The GOP aren’t going to suddenly mend their ways, the media will just rerun the same “Dems in Disarray” headlines, and the only reason voters will remember it in a year is when Franken’s replacement runs to serve out the remaining 2 years of his term and the media remind voters that that’s only because Franken was revealed as a “sexual predator” and forced to resign.

509
freetoken  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:02:22pm

re: #504 dangerman

The only Wagner opera that I can listen through in its entirety is Die Walküre, because it’s short-ish (for Wagner), and then only rarely.

510
petesh  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:05:34pm

re: #496 Targetpractice

Attorney-client privilege? Seriously? And we thought Eric was the dumb one?

I couldn’t believe it so I went and read The Hill & CNN & LA Times, and his absurd claim that the presence of an attorney put the conversation into attorney-client privilege was strongly contest by Schiff … and of course upheld by Gowdy. It’s a sign of desperation. And still the Republicans will do nothing of significance to move the enquiry forward.

In that it’s a stalling tactic, I guess it’s not so dumb. But if either Jr or Sr thinks they are getting off the hook … they’re dumb.

511
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:05:59pm

re: #508 Targetpractice

No, it won’t, because nobody will give them credit for it. The GOP aren’t going to suddenly mend their ways, the media will just rerun the same “Dems in Disarray” headlines, and the only reason voters will remember it in a year is when Franken’s replacement runs to serve out the remaining 2 years of his term and the media remind voters that that’s only because Franken was revealed as a “sexual predator” and forced to resign.

It’s really a lot easier not to have any principles.

512
TedStriker  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:07:49pm

re: #511 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s really a lot easier not to have any principles.

I’m sure they sleep mighty good.

513
allegro  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:07:56pm

re: #493 Targetpractice

They will portray all male Democrats as “sexual predators” and all female Democrats as “willing accomplices.” See also: Their treatment of Hollywood, where the only women that they felt like defending were Weinstein’s accusers. Every other woman was considered “complicit” for not pressing charges themselves.

Women as things to use and discard when it’s politically convenient. Same message I’m getting from Democrats about now.

514
Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:08:39pm

re: #510 petesh

I couldn’t believe it so I went and read The Hill & CNN & LA Times, and his absurd claim that the presence of an attorney put the conversation into attorney-client privilege was strongly contest by Schiff … and of course upheld by Gowdy. It’s a sign of desperation. And still the Republicans will do nothing of significance to move the enquiry forward.

In that it’s a stalling tactic, I guess it’s not so dumb. But if either Jr or Sr thinks they are getting off the hook … they’re dumb.

Certainly more than one way to skin that particular cat, and I’m sure Mueller knows them all.

515
EPR-radar  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:11:01pm

re: #511 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s really a lot easier not to have any principles.

Another thing that would make life much easier is consistent lefty turnout in elections where their general election votes are cast in accordance with the basic demands of functioning civilization — i.e., for the Democrat dammit, if any is running in the race.

General elections are not the time for civilized people to fart around — the Republicans are always coming, and (D) general election votes are necessary to have a chance of stopping their garbage.

516
Charles Johnson  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:11:32pm
517
Targetpractice  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:13:19pm

It truly would be hilarious if, of all Ivana’s brood, Eric was the only one to avoid jail time.

518
dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:15:33pm

Bannon on Romney: ‘You hid behind your religion’ to avoid Vietnam

bannon is a great example of the dunning-kruger effect

he thinks he’s a great political genius, but as we can see here, he’s astonishingly bad at politics

519
William Lewis  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:17:35pm

re: #491 Decatur Deb

I have witnessed and greatly enjoyed the first act of everything which Wagner created, but the effect on me has always been so powerful that one act was quite sufficient; whenever I have witnessed two acts I have gone away physically exhausted; and whenever I have ventured an entire opera the result has been the next thing to suicide.
- Mark Twain

He’s too kind to Wagner by half. I’ll take a nice bit of Faure or Tchaikovsky or Dvořák instead at anytime.

520
Skip Intro  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:17:51pm

Thank God they dropped everything else to save Murdoch’s estate.

The Bel-Air fire that has destroyed homes and forced major evacuations is burning near the vineyard estate of media mogul Rupert Murdoch.

About 1:30 p.m., a Los Angeles County firefighter drove by Murdoch’s property and noticed a portion of his vineyards on fire with gray smoke filling the air. He quickly radioed in to other firefighters who within minutes showed up and pried open the gate. Six firefighters rushed in to assess whether to fight the flames, burning on a slope, from below or above.

They decided it wasn’t possible to do so from the bottom. By 2 p.m., three helicopter water drops had been made on the portion of the vineyard that was on fire. Still, smoke rose in the air.

latimes.com

521
William Lewis  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:20:12pm

re: #509 freetoken

The only Wagner opera that I can listen through in its entirety is Die Walküre, because it’s short-ish (for Wagner), and then only rarely.

I think I sat through one whole one once - his Flying Dutchman - because I was waiting for intermission to sneak out but they did it in it’s no intermission version … < bangs head almost as hard as then at memory >

522
FormerDirtDart  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:22:05pm
523
allegro  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:22:14pm

re: #521 William Lewis

I think I sat through one whole one once - his Flying Dutchman - because I was waiting for intermission to sneak out but they did it in it’s no intermission version … < bangs head almost as hard as then at memory >

That’s why I prefer opera on DVD. Sofa, snuggles, wine, and a pause button.

524
EPR-radar  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:23:08pm

re: #521 William Lewis

I think I sat through one whole one once - his Flying Dutchman - because I was waiting for intermission to sneak out but they did it in it’s no intermission version … < bangs head almost as hard as then at memory >

The worst concert piece I ever heard was one of those 12-tone scale abominations. The orchestra sounded better while they were warming up and tuning their instruments than they did while playing that composition. It was truly dreadful.

525
William Lewis  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:25:13pm

re: #523 allegro

That’s why I prefer opera on DVD. Sofa, snuggles, wine, and a pause button.

I’m just not an opera fan at all. I can listen to choral works but something about opera rubs me wrong. Now a nice ballet? Or a well written concerto? That I can sit and just let wash over me.

526
ObserverArt  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:28:15pm

re: #471 goddamnedfrank

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As a sporty car type auto racing fan, I have to say that was a good race.

527
William Lewis  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:28:37pm

re: #524 EPR-radar

The worst concert piece I ever heard was one of those 12-tone scale abominations. The orchestra sounded better while they were warming up and tuning their instruments than they did while playing that composition. It was truly dreadful.

That I can find far more interesting than any opera I’ve sat through & I don’t particularly care for that style.

Now this:

Igor Stravinsky conducts his Dumbarton Oaks Concerto

or this:

The Chairman Dances (Foxtrot for Orchestra)

with a nice glass of red will make a nice evening.

528
PhillyPretzel  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:28:41pm

re: #523 allegro

Great Performances on PBS is good too.

529
allegro  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:31:30pm

re: #528 PhillyPretzel

Great Performances on PBS is good too.

Indeed. I watch that a lot. Just can’t take the modern operas where I would sell my soul to get a whiff of an actual tune. I don’t make it long through those.

530
wheat-dogg  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:35:41pm

re: #524 EPR-radar

The worst concert piece I ever heard was one of those 12-tone scale abominations. The orchestra sounded better while they were warming up and tuning their instruments than they did while playing that composition. It was truly dreadful.

Schoenberg?

531
dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:35:55pm

re: #523 allegro

That’s why I prefer opera on DVD. Sofa, snuggles, wine, and a pause button.

ignatz kat approves of devices w buttons adapted for paws

532
FormerDirtDart  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:37:21pm
533
dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:40:23pm

re: #524 EPR-radar

The worst concert piece I ever heard was one of those 12-tone scale abominations. The orchestra sounded better while they were warming up and tuning their instruments than they did while playing that composition. It was truly dreadful.

i think of the 20th century history of “fine” art as a time dominated by a tyranny of bizarre concepts of modernism, despite which some artists here and there managed to create some lasting work

closer to home, the music composition teacher i studied under in high school back in the 60s had been hounded out of academia for his refusal to write atonal music

534
FormerDirtDart  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:41:00pm
535
goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:41:05pm
536
Stanley Sea  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:41:19pm

I was very very fortunate to see my one and only opera - Madama Butterfly at the NYMet years ago with my Mom.

A wonderful memory.

537
Interesting Times  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:42:19pm

All right then - for those of you who don’t understand or object to the “Democrats are wimps who don’t know how to fight” argument, get a load of this:

…and keep in mind the tweeter is about as far from a BoB as you can get - she’s one of Obama’s biggest and most loyal defenders. We know the MSM is flaming garbage who’ll always frame the Democrats in the worst way possible, but Dems aren’t supposed to be trying to please beltway media, they’re supposed to please their base so that base actually turns out and votes.

538
goddamnedfrank  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:43:26pm
539
retired cynic  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:43:35pm

re: #533 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i think of the 20th century history of “fine” art as a time dominated by a tyranny of bizarre concepts of modernism, despite which some artists here and there managed to create some lasting work

closer to home, the music composition teacher i studied under in high school back in the 60s had been hounded out of academia for his refusal to write atonal music

I had to listen, as part of my college music education, to John Cage sitting off stage cutting up, liquifying and drinking carrots. Empty stage. Performance art. One of the audience stood up and yelled, “You, sir, are a charlatan!”

I hope that hasn’t become bigger in my memory than it really was, after 50 years. Egad.

540
TedStriker  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:43:44pm

re: #533 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i think of the 20th century history of “fine” art as a time dominated by a tyranny of bizarre concepts of modernism, despite which some artists here and there managed to create some lasting work

closer to home, the music composition teacher i studied under in high school back in the 60s had been hounded out of academia for his refusal to write atonal music

See: Cage, John.

541
EPR-radar  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:45:08pm

re: #530 wheat-dogg

Schoenberg?

Elliot Carter

542
retired cynic  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:45:11pm

re: #540 TedStriker

See: Cage, John.

Ha! Nine seconds!

543
Barefoot Grin  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:45:53pm

re: #339 BeachDem

Meanwhile—le sigh.

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You’ve gotta be fucking kidding me.

544
Stanley Sea  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:47:01pm

re: #543 Barefoot Grin

You’ve gotta be fucking kidding me.

Even better, the event was held at the yam’s hotel.

545
austin_blue  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:48:26pm

re: #363 Decatur Deb

Syph. Go big or go home.

Well, he’s got the manners and morals of a spirochete, so…

546
FormerDirtDart  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:49:26pm
547
wheat-dogg  Dec 6, 2017 • 5:57:40pm

re: #541 EPR-radar

Elliot Carter

My sympathies

548
William Lewis  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:01:07pm

re: #539 retired cynic

I had to listen, as part of my college music education, to John Cage sitting off stage cutting up, liquifying and drinking carrots. Empty stage. Performance art. One of the audience stood up and yelled, “You, sir, are a charlatan!”

I hope that hasn’t become bigger in my memory than it really was, after 50 years. Egad.

Heh. There are a few good things that came out of that period. His 4’33” are really quite a good teaching tool - it’s not silence, it’s the sound of the environment. I saw an orchestra “perform” it outdoors once. For Americans unaccustomed to meditation, it’s an awkward experience. But it can be quite valuable if you let it.

Likewise, I enjoy the work of Phillip Glass, John Adams, Arron Jay Kernis & similar moderns almost as much as the past glories of Bach, Haydn, Vivaldi, etc.

549
Jebediah, RBG  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:16:00pm

re: #341 HappyWarrior

Go for it!re: #390 dangerman

i promise you are not the worst. though you may tie for it

Cool! Wanna go on tour?

550
dangerman  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:18:23pm

re: #549 Jebediah, RBG

Go for it!

Cool! Wanna go on tour?

Up in the new thread were gonna need a good name
(To compensate for our music)

551
Jebediah, RBG  Dec 6, 2017 • 6:19:32pm

re: #403 Blind Frog Belly White

Now, where’s that 19-hour video of Der Ring Des Nibelungens when you need it…..

For me, my actual commitment is to at least start to listen to every one. I am not committed to finishing every one.


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Brandi Carlile - the Joke (Official Video) From the album "By The Way, I Forgive You" available now. elektrar.ec Directed by Danny Clinch Produced by Lindha Narvaez for MILKT Choreography by Peter Leung Ballet sequence filmed by Middle Table Productions Connect with Brandi: brandicarlile.com facebook.com @brandicarlile ...
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School Shooter Nikolas Cruz Belonged to White Supremacist GroupThis my surprised face.... BREAKING: Nikolas Cruz, alleged perpetrator in the deadly school shooting in Parkland, Florida, was associated with white supremacist group Republic of Florida &amp; participated in the group’s training exercises, according to the group’s leader. More info: ...
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Your Medicine Cabinet Knows What AIls Youblog.timesunion.com HOFFMAN FILESYour medicine cabinet knows what ails you.By Rob Hoffman on February 15, 2018 at 5:27 AM1We all fancy ourselves experts when it comes to the human condition. We see our fellow human beings as open books, and we ...
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A.G. Schneiderman Files Civil Rights Lawsuit Against the Weinstein Companies, Harvey Weinstein, and Robert Weinstein NEW YORK – New York Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman today filed suit against The Weinstein Company (“TWC”), Harvey Weinstein, and Robert Weinstein for egregious violations of New York’s civil rights, human rights, and business laws. The suit, filed ...
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Portugal. The Man - Keep on (Official Video) Portugal. The Man - Keep On Video conceptualized, created and directed by Paulin RoguesFollow Paulin at instagram.com Catch Portugal. The Man on tour:portugaltheman.com WOODSTOCK available now!atlantic.lnk.to Follow Portugal. The ManWebsite: portugaltheman.comFB: facebook.com IG: instagram.comTW: @portugalthemanSC: SoundCloudYT: youtube.comTumblr: portugaltheman.tumblr.com ...
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Marvel’s Jessica Jones - Season 2 Jessica Jones is back as New York City’s tough-as-nails private investigator. Although this time, the case is even more personal than ever before. Fueled by a myriad of questions and lies, she will do whatever it takes to uncover ...
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