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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:28:26am

For shame, Stephen, making fun of the mentally disabled./

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:28:43am
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Kragar  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:32:39am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:32:43am
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:36:10am

re: #3 Kragar

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Now we’ll see if the predictions that McConnell will block her from taking her seat because Franken was single handedly blocking the entire GOP agenda from being enacted come true.

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jaunte  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:37:03am

Many people are mentioning remembering it, more and more.

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William Lewis  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:37:28am

re: #5 Big Beautiful Door

Now we’ll see if the predictions that McConnell will block her from taking her seat because Franken was single handedly blocking the entire GOP agenda from being enacted come true.

Go home puritopian. I don’t want to hear you gloating over your fantasies.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:37:41am
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Belafon  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:39:00am

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

They’re not doing it because we came from animals, but because people like you show that not only can we not rise above our instincts, but some of us are proud of it.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:39:00am
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Scottish Dragon  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:39:37am
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Belafon  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:39:50am

re: #5 Big Beautiful Door

Now we’ll see if the predictions that McConnell will block her from taking her seat because Franken was single handedly blocking the entire GOP agenda from being enacted come true.

They’re coming home to us:

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Kragar  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:40:05am
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Scottish Dragon  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:40:45am

re: #6 jaunte

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Many people are mentioning remembering it, more and more.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:42:20am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:42:33am

re: #13 Kragar

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Cough cop out.

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jaunte  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:43:45am

re: #13 Kragar

Not sure why anyone would buy a book by Corey Lewandowski. One more zero-accomplishment conservative face from the teevee.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:43:51am

re: #6 jaunte

re: #14 Scottish Dragon

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:45:00am

re: #18 FormerDirtDart

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I think Trump used the same term to describe Studio 54 in the seventies.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:45:03am

re: #17 jaunte

Not sure why anyone would buy a book by Corey Lewandowski. One more zero-accomplishment conservative face from the teevee.

You couldn’t pay me to bring that book into my house.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:45:31am

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

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Moore shouldn’t allowed to leave the house without a helmet.

In a sane world, we wouldn’t even know this dipshit’s name.

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jaunte  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:46:04am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:46:32am

re: #17 jaunte

Not sure why anyone would buy a book by Corey Lewandowski. One morek zero-accomplishment conservative face from the teevee.

Reminds me of Watergate where every convicted felon made a mint from their books…

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:47:31am

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:48:35am

Here is a Pearl Harbor hero you don’t hear too much about.

Doris “Dorie” Miller was a cook with the United States Navy during the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.

Miller served aboard the USS West Virginia first as a Mess Attendant First Class, and was eventually promoted to ship’s cook. At the time, the US Navy was opened to African Americans - but not for traditional combat roles. They were only permitted to serve as mess attendants, stewards and cooks. USS Utah Mess Attendant Clark Simmons once told the National Geographic, “The Navy was structured that if you were black, this was what they had you do in the Navy - you could only be a servant.”

On the morning of the Japanese raid on Pearl Harbor, Miller was on a laundry round when a series of torpedoes hit the USS West Virginia. Miller rushed to his combat station - an anti-aircraft battery magazine - when word came that the ship’s captain, Mervyn Bennion, had been hit with shrapnel and had a gaping wound in his abdomen.

Miller, a former football player and the best Navy boxer on board, moved to rescue the ship’s captain by moving him from his exposed position on the bridge to a sheltered spot behind the ship’s conning tower.

But Miller wasn’t finished there. He then moved to an unmanned Browning .50 caliber anti-aircraft gun - a weapon he was not trained to use - and defended the ship’s starboard side from incoming Japanese aircraft.

Miller manned the gun until he ran out of ammunition - then he and some fellow sailors continued to escort injured sailors off the ship - through acrid smoke and oily water until the Japanese dropped two armor piercing bombs and launched five more torpedoes into the USS West Virginia’s port side.

Eventually the ship sank with her surviving crew - Miller included - abandoned ship.

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BlueGrl21  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:50:02am

re: #7 William Lewis

Go home puritopian. I don’t want to hear you gloating over your fantasies.

Seems to me many of us are losing our usual Lizard civility over Senator Franken. Turning on each other isn’t going to change it.

I won’t comment on this because, frankly, I know any comment I make will piss off one side or another and I’m not going to do that. Not worth the fractures in this community.

Can we all take a deep breath on this issue and remember we’re talking to people we usually like quite a bit?

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jeffreyw  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:50:52am

Imgur
Beef ‘n Barley

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:53:47am

re: #3 Kragar

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berniebros will be most displeased.

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freetoken  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:54:20am

re: #27 jeffreyw

Appetizing photo.

Yet, beef and barley soup has always been near the bottom of the list of soups-I’d-eat. Always found them to have too strong and heavy of a flavor.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:56:09am

AN EXIT STRATEGY FOR AFGHANISTAN
A Test Case for the Strategic Economy of Force

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Kragar  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:57:09am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:57:16am

And here is Exhibit #475870 on Why Republicans Will Continue To Win Elections For Years To Come

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:57:53am

re: #29 freetoken

Beef and barley is delicious.

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calochortus  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:59:12am

So, apparently CA south of Santa Barbara has a “purple flag” fire warning (as opposed to red flag.) I’d never heard of it and I don’t think it had ever been used. Basically, if a fire starts today or tomorrow, good luck.

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MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 11:59:35am

re: #27 jeffreyw

Needs moar mushrooms!

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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:00:20pm

re: #29 freetoken

Appetizing photo.

Yet, beef and barley soup has always been near the bottom of the list of soups-I’d-eat. Always found them to have too strong and heavy of a flavor.

re: #33 Scottish Dragon

Beef and barley is delicious.

re: #35 MsJ

Needs moar mushrooms!

OK, kids. Go read this one again.

re: #26 BlueGrl21

Seems to me many of us are losing our usual Lizard civility over Senator Franken. soup. Turning on each other isn’t going to change it.

I won’t comment on this because, frankly, I know any comment I make will piss off one side or another and I’m not going to do that. Not worth the fractures in this community.

Can we all take a deep breath on this issue and remember we’re talking to people we usually like quite a bit?

/edited in an unauthorized manner

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:01:51pm

re: #34 calochortus

So, apparently CA south of Santa Barbara has a “purple flag” fire warning (as opposed to red flag.) I’d never heard of it and I don’t think it had ever been used. Basically, if a fire starts today or tomorrow, good luck.

I sure hope they don’t go to plaid.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:02:56pm

re: #32 The Vicious Babushka

And here is Exhibit #475870 on Why Republicans Will Continue To Win Elections For Years To Come

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The Butthurt Brigades chime in. I thought they already dumped the Dems because HRC robbed Bernie of the nomination?

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jeffreyw  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:03:15pm

re: #35 MsJ

Needs moar mushrooms!

I didn’t have any fresh ‘shrooms, I guess I could have dumped in some canned…

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dangerman  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:03:33pm

back at my adult sized keyboard:

to quinnipiac via politicalwire

poll finds 70% of Americans believe the U.S. Congress should investigate allegations of sexual harassment against President Trump, while 25% say he should not be investigated.

there are a couple of startling large numbers if you care to look

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:05:26pm

re: #20 Sir John Barron

You couldn’t pay me to bring that book into my house.

No fireplace?

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jeffreyw  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:06:39pm

re: #36 wrenchwench

LOL Hell, I post in reddit food threads, this place is like a quiet party with friends.

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Belafon  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:06:50pm

The title of a piece of Spam I just received at work:

The Magic Hedge and the Montrose Dunes

I don’t want to spoil it by actually finding out what it’s about. It probably won’t live up to the name.

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TedStriker  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:08:13pm

re: #5 Big Beautiful Door

Now we’ll see if the predictions that McConnell will block her from taking her seat because Franken was single handedly blocking the entire GOP agenda from being enacted come true.

Your gloating is showing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:08:36pm

re: #39 jeffreyw

I didn’t have any fresh ‘shrooms, I guess I could have dumped in some canned…

I put my extra shiitake mushrooms in the dehydrator for a few hours and they are now bagged up ready for future soup or whatever.
It’s amazing how well re-hydrated shiitakes hold up in terms of texture…canned mushrooms ain’t got nothing on them.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:08:37pm
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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:09:18pm

re: #42 jeffreyw

LOL Hell, I post in reddit food threads, this place is like a quiet party with friends.

Just because others are worse is no reason to refrain from criticizing ourselves…

I guess.

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Belafon  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:09:40pm

re: #46 FormerDirtDart

One didn’t have to go to the mall to find 14 year olds.

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dangerman  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:10:48pm

oh, and coal’s coming back - at least for a short while

bbc

Beijing had ordered the nation’s northern provinces to convert from coal to cleaner fuel by the end of this year to reduce pollution.

since they all couldnt get the job done in time and because “keeping people warm is ‘number one’ priority”…

China’s Ministry of Environment had issued a statement telling the northern regions that have not finished converting to gas or electric heating may burn coal, the South China Morning Post reported.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:11:12pm

re: #44 TedStriker

Your gloating is showing.

Well some silly things have been posted. If McConnell does block Franken’s replacement and this somehow makes the GOP agenda easier to enact, I’ll eat some crow.

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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:12:52pm

re: #49 dangerman

oh, and coal’s coming back - at least for a short while

bbc

since they all couldnt get the job done in time and because “keeping people warm is ‘number one’ priority”…

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:13:03pm

re: #48 Belafon

One didn’t have to go to the mall to find 14 year olds.

You could buy them! Ahh, the good old days.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:13:19pm

re: #48 Belafon

One didn’t have to go to the mall to find 14 year olds.

just snap fingers and say “send Pansy this time”….

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:16:04pm

re: #51 wrenchwench

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Love the nerd kid!

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Cheechako  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:16:14pm
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A Mom Anon  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:16:19pm

You know, I have no idea why it is that wealthy liberals refuse to buy (and then back to succeed) liberal media. Air America fell flat on it’s face because of stupid decisions and a lack of capital. Current TV was sold, just as it was starting to gain some momentum, to Al Jazzerra and is was ran into the ground. Then we have this Impeach Trump guy buying ads and putting up billboards (in Times Square, which is not reaching the people who need convincing) If these rich people are so smart, then why the lack of investment? I’ve heard liberal media won’t make money. If that’s true then why is it liberal talk stations, which were doing well, get bought up, converted to sports talk and then die? WE NEED MEDIA INFRASTRUCTURE. If we had it, we’d probably see some new talent come forward. Podcasts and web based stuff is fine, but it’s not enough. Why can’t we use the right’s business model for our purposes? Why can’t we have the liberal equivalent of wingnut welfare?

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ipsos  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:17:08pm

re: #50 Big Beautiful Door

Well some silly things have been posted. If McConnell does block Franken’s replacement and this somehow makes the GOP agenda easier to enact, I’ll eat some crow.

I feel uneasy these days depending on any norms to hold in the Senate. They’ve proven too often that they can make their own new rules with no consequences.

(Justice Garland remains unavailable for comment.)

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makeitstop  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:17:20pm

re: #34 calochortus

So, apparently CA south of Santa Barbara has a “purple flag” fire warning (as opposed to red flag.) I’d never heard of it and I don’t think it had ever been used. Basically, if a fire starts today or tomorrow, good luck.

I heard a fire official talking about it last night. The purple flag signifies that the winds will be so high they will negate any attempts to fight fire.

I hope LA gets through the weekend as intact as it can.

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dangerman  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:17:28pm

oh, and this paul ryan tweet (that i cant re-imbed) from the last thread:

More than 20 governors from states across the country just expressed support for the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.

so that’s 20 individual people in support

meanwhile

A new CBS News poll finds 53% of Americans disapprove of the Republican tax plan being considered by Congress - including four in 10 who disapprove strongly, and only one in five Americans expect their own taxes to go down.

53% of Americans is way more than “20”

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lizardofid  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:18:05pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

I put my extra shiitake mushrooms in the dehydrator for a few hours and they are now bagged up ready for future soup or whatever.
It’s amazing how well re-hydrated shiitakes hold up in terms of texture…canned mushrooms ain’t got nothing on them.

Some of you might enjoy this little clip on shroom cultivation. I found it quite informative, as in, I had no idea.

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Growing Mushrooms | Central Texas Gardener

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:18:46pm

re: #46 FormerDirtDart

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My spouse fucking exploded when I read this out loud. I have not heard her go off on a political quote like this in over a year.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:19:51pm

re: #59 dangerman

oh, and this paul ryan tweet (that i cant re-imbed) from the last thread:

More than 20 governors from states across the country just expressed support for the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.

so that’s 20 individual people in support

meanwhile

A new CBS News poll finds 53% of Americans disapprove of the Republican tax plan being considered by Congress - including four in 10 who disapprove strongly, and only one in five Americans expect their own taxes to go down.

53% of Americans is way more than “20”

Apparently the GOP doesn’t care, because they think they can use donors money to convince people that Democrats are too evil to vote for no matter how badly the GOP screws them over. I believe a lot of them are going to learn they are badly mistaken next November.

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dangerman  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:20:07pm

currently, as promised

YouTube

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:20:34pm

re: #46 FormerDirtDart

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Domestic abuse was also socially acceptable then.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:21:03pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

Domestic abuse was also socially acceptable then.

Family discipline!//

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TedStriker  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:23:42pm

re: #56 A Mom Anon

You know, I have no idea why it is that wealthy liberals refuse to buy (and then back to succeed) liberal media. Air America fell flat on it’s face because of stupid decisions and a lack of capital. Current TV was sold, just as it was starting to gain some momentum, to Al Jazzerra and is was ran into the ground. Then we have this Impeach Trump guy buying ads and putting up billboards (in Times Square, which is not reaching the people who need convincing) If these rich people are so smart, then why the lack of investment? I’ve heard liberal media won’t make money. If that’s true then why is it liberal talk stations, which were doing well, get bought up, converted to sports talk and then die? WE NEED MEDIA INFRASTRUCTURE. If we had it, we’d probably see some new talent come forward. Podcasts and web based stuff is fine, but it’s not enough. Why can’t we use the right’s business model for our purposes? Why can’t we have the liberal equivalent of wingnut welfare?

Because they bank on hate and fear, to great effect, while we appeal to logic and compassion…and logic and compassion is hard, while hate and fear are very easy and give a greater drug-like “hit”.

That’s why liberal versions of the RWNJ media machine ultimately fail.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:25:25pm

re: #19 Big Beautiful Door

I think Trump used the same term to describe Studio 54 in the seventies.

It was his personal Vietnam…every pussy a minefield.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:25:39pm

re: #66 TedStriker

Because they bank on hate and fear, to great effect, while we appeal to logic and compassion…and logic and compassion is hard, while hate and fear are very easy and give a greater drug-like “hit”.

That’s why liberal versions of the RWNJ media machine ultimately fail.

And like wise why wingnuts failed when they tried to duplicate the Daily Show.

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Belafon  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:25:44pm

re: #66 TedStriker

Because they bank on hate and fear, to great effect, while we appeal to logic and compassion…and logic and compassion is hard, while hate and fear are very easy and give a greater drug-like “hit”.

That’s why liberal versions of the RWNJ media machine ultimately fail.

Though we need to watch rationalizing actors who are not rational, and thus denying ourselves some of the fear that is necessary to survive.

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calochortus  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:27:18pm

re: #66 TedStriker

Because they bank on hate and fear, to great effect, while we appeal to logic and compassion…and logic and compassion is hard, while hate and fear are very easy and give a greater drug-like “hit”.

That’s why liberal versions of the RWNJ media machine ultimately fail.

Probably related to the guy who was interviewed about his creation of fake news and said ” his writers have tried to write fake news for liberals — but they just never take the bait.”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:28:31pm

re: #56 A Mom Anon

You know, I have no idea why it is that wealthy liberals refuse to buy (and then back to succeed) liberal media. Air America fell flat on it’s face because of stupid decisions and a lack of capital. Current TV was sold, just as it was starting to gain some momentum, to Al Jazzerra and is was ran into the ground. Then we have this Impeach Trump guy buying ads and putting up billboards (in Times Square, which is not reaching the people who need convincing) If these rich people are so smart, then why the lack of investment? I’ve heard liberal media won’t make money. If that’s true then why is it liberal talk stations, which were doing well, get bought up, converted to sports talk and then die? WE NEED MEDIA INFRASTRUCTURE. If we had it, we’d probably see some new talent come forward. Podcasts and web based stuff is fine, but it’s not enough. Why can’t we use the right’s business model for our purposes? Why can’t we have the liberal equivalent of wingnut welfare?

Wanting to be told what to believe by a propagandist is a Conservative trait. So is getting suckered into buying marked up crap from said propagandist. There’s no profit in it.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:29:25pm
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Belafon  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:29:36pm

Why didn’t a liberal group by that LA paper that is now going to be decidedly conservative?

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Belafon  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:30:45pm

Conservatives don’t mind buying a media group and taking a loss because it allows them to control the narrative.

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dangerman  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:31:26pm

re: #51 wrenchwench

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and even coal, after all, is still from santa!

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:31:36pm
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BeachDem  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:31:53pm

re: #41 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

No fireplace?

Beware of toxic fumes.

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allegro  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:32:32pm

I see the Democratic party has conceded the moral high ground with the successful demand for Franken’s resignation. Yeah, flat out denied a U.S. citizen his due process rights to confront his accusers, one of our most basic and cherished Constitutional rights. I realize this isn’t a court of law but the concept still stands. Wait. No it doesn’t. Not here. Not now.

As a woman who has always had second class rights by denial of her bodily autonomy, that right granted to men only, I’m seeing yet another example of women being used to further the agenda of those who wish to deny women’s rights even further. I do not praise or respect the Democratic party more for its complicity in this effort. Quite the opposite. I see a party that pays loud and public lip service, just like the other party, but when the fight comes they choose the politically expedient course while claiming it’s about respect for women. Respect perhaps for women as tools. Women as weapons. Women to be used and discarded.

If there was respect then women would be heard. They claim that’s what they’re doing by demanding Franken’s resignation. No tolerance! Yet they are doing the opposite just as they always have. Just like the GOP. Franken’s accusers are now essentially silenced. If there was true respect, women’s stories wouldn’t be hidden by secret settlements and the NDAs tied to them while those who have been complicit in this arrangement all this time now publicly express shock! shock, I tells ya! that there are harassers and abusers among the ranks of their fellows of both parties. That’s been just fine, this protection, until it bites them in the ass and they toss a bone to the masses to get back to business as usual.

As a woman, if the Democratic party really wanted to take the moral high ground in my eyes, it would demand openness through public hearings (that they appear now to be fearful of with coming out en masse to demand resignation without them), give those women the platform and those they accuse the right of defense, if there is any. It would show respect both for woman and our rule of law. I see their actions of late to be a fuck you to both.

As a Democratic voter I see a party of simpering weakness while our country is in an existential battle for its soul. It could so easily have taken the true high ground and exhibited strength in this fight simultaneously. It could have used this opportunity for good, to help expose this pervasive rot in our culture. But no. Guess it’s too early to talk about this too.

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garzooma  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:32:33pm

re: #40 dangerman

back at my adult sized keyboard:

to quinnipiac via politicalwire

poll finds 70% of Americans believe the U.S. Congress should investigate allegations of sexual harassment against President Trump, while 25% say he should not be investigated.

Has any Congressman called for an investigation?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:34:21pm

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was his personal Vietnam…every pussy a minefield.

the field of battle was littered with STDs….

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calochortus  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:35:44pm

BBL

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:36:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:36:31pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

the field of battle was littered with STDs….

Broken condoms and smeared lipstick.

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dangerman  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:37:13pm

re: #62 Big Beautiful Door

Apparently the GOP doesn’t care, because they think they can use donors money to convince people that Democrats are too evil to vote for no matter how badly the GOP screws them over. I believe a lot of them are going to learn they are badly mistaken next November.

they dont care
they’ve made it clear they do not represent the entire country*
they dont even represent their entire party*
and theyve demonstrated they dont care too much for “the base” - all they have to do is keep em riled up with shiny objects (an outrage tweet a day feeds em)

they have said in no uncertain terms that they are pushing this bill so their donor base doesnt follow through on their threat and turn off the spigot

*the atlantic

Neither Trump nor GOP congressional leaders are even pretending to represent the entire country—or to consider perspectives beyond those of their core coalition

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:37:40pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

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Hell he’d be a serious presidential contender.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:37:45pm

re: #78 allegro

I’ve been keeping quiet all freaking day because I am too pissed off, so thank you for posting what I would have liked to have said.

Standing up here and applauding loudly!!!

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dangerman  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:38:08pm

re: #79 garzooma

Has any Congressman called for an investigation?

not yet that i know of

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:38:35pm

This guy is a “constitutional conservative” challenging Paul Ryan.

Please report him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:39:19pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

Broken condoms and smeared lipstick.

you do not even want to see what the janitors have to deal with when the clubs close…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:40:56pm

re: #27 jeffreyw

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Beef ‘n Barley

Mmmmmm…..

In the FBW family, we call that either “Beef and Bar Fly Stew”, or “Snake and Spider Stew”, depending.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:45:16pm

re: #46 FormerDirtDart

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“We were great because our families were united, except those slave families that got busted up by their owners selling children to different owners, or just one spouse. But, you know, property rights are paramount.”

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:46:04pm

soupsonline.com

This stuff is sooooooo good!

Just add stew meat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:48:37pm

FWIW, and I’ll keep it short:

I find no satisfaction as a woman being “protected” by forcing Franken to resign at the expense of due process/innocent until proven guilty. I’ve posted here about that precise fear earlier.

That is a slippery slope for which I will take no responsibility.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:48:38pm

re: #91 Blind Frog Belly White

“We were great because our families were united, except those slave families that got busted up by their owners selling children to different owners, or just one spouse. But, you know, property rights are paramount.”

It’s such a load of revisionist bullshit.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:49:06pm

Biggest winds so far in my area.

oh boy.

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freetoken  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:53:26pm

re: #95 Stanley Sea

It was windy down here several hours ago, but not so much now.

Very low humidity though.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:54:48pm

I’m feeling uncomfortable about the whole Franken thing. I believe he should have had due process especially as the evidence against him is much more weaker than that against Moore and Trump. The other thing though is I just don’t trust the electorate to do the right thing. Trump should have been landslided before he got out of the GOP primaries.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:55:10pm

re: #78 allegro

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hey now, aren’t you ladies missing the important thing about all this? Franken’s replacement will be a woman! That’s sure to bring in more women voters! Sure, a strong advocate of women and their rights have just been sacrificed on the altar of “moral superiority,” but his replacement is a woman and that’s a net positive!

/////////

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Stanley Sea  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:55:18pm

re: #96 freetoken

It was windy down here several hours ago, but not so much now.

Very low humidity though.

Yeah, my face is covered in vaseline.

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garzooma  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:56:17pm

re: #87 dangerman

not yet that i know of

I am seeing a good deal of hits today when I Google “Trump Investigate Sexual Harrasment” talking about the poll.

Also, our new friend Jennifer Rubin called for an investigation a few days ago.

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CleverToad  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:56:36pm

re: #78 allegro

As a woman, if the Democratic party really wanted to take the moral high ground in my eyes, it would demand openness through public hearings (that they appear now to be fearful of with coming out en masse to demand resignation without them), give those women the platform and those they accuse the right of defense, if there is any. It would show respect both for woman and our rule of law. I see their actions of late to be a fuck you to both.

Need the +10 upding button.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:59:02pm

re: #98 Targetpractice

Hey now, aren’t you ladies missing the important thing about all this? Franken’s replacement will be a woman! That’s sure to bring in more women voters! Sure, a strong advocate of women and their rights have just been sacrificed on the altar of “moral superiority,” but his replacement is a woman and that’s a net positive!

/////////

All those saying “but his replacement will be a woman!!11!!” as if that’s the preferred end result…

I submit into evidence: Joni Ernst, Virginia Foxx, Marcia Blackburn, etc, etc, etc….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 12:59:39pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:02:10pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

I’m feeling uncomfortable about the whole Franken thing. I believe he should have had due process especially as the evidence against him is much more weaker than that against Moore and Trump. The other thing though is I just don’t trust the electorate to do the right thing. Trump should have been landslided before he got out of the GOP primaries.

US Senators can’t actually be railroaded. None have been expelled since the Civil War. If Franken wanted to wait for completion of an ethics investigation he could have.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:02:36pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

All those saying “but his replacement will be a woman!!11!!” as if that’s the preferred end result…

I submit into evidence: Joni Ernst, Virginia Foxx, Marcia Blackburn, etc, etc, etc….

Personally, the name that comes to mind is “Martha Coakley,” as in “Martha Coakley ran such a piss-poor campaign that she lost a ‘safe’ seat to a Republican.”

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:03:12pm

re: #7 William Lewis

Go home puritopian. I don’t want to hear you gloating over your fantasies.

WTF is going on around here?

This is a discussion board. What good comes from trying to shut someone up? Why, that is almost Republican in thinking.

I took off for a bit and I came back to the old thread to see what appeared to be BBD called a concern troll.

Come on, he’s a member in good standing. He’s concerned but not a troll. I don’t agree with all of what he has said about Kranken, but I am not going to go low. He is entitled to his comments.

I thought some of you were better than this, especially you William. You tell us you are a Christian. Is this being one? Calling him a puritopian seems rather odd since purity is a Christian trait.

Disagreement. Hell yes. Bullying? That’s for Republican losers.

It’s no wonder some decent posters don’t post as much or left all together. Last November really messed up some people.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:03:53pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

All those saying “but his replacement will be a woman!!11!!” as if that’s the preferred end result…

I submit into evidence: Joni Ernst, Virginia Foxx, Marcia Blackburn, etc, etc, etc….

His replacement is a Democrat. Its not a bad thing to get another Democratic woman in the US Senate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:04:18pm

he is trying way, WAY too hard to distract…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:06:20pm

re: #107 Big Beautiful Door

His replacement is a Democrat. Its not a bad thing to get another Democratic woman in the US Senate.

as Targetpractice just noted in comment #105: Martha Coakley.

Not all Democratic women are magic.

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makeitstop  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:06:23pm

re: #104 Big Beautiful Door

US Senators can’t actually be railroaded. None have been expelled since the Civil War. If Franken wanted to wait for completion of an ethics investigation he could have.

No, that option went out the window when his fellow senators started calling for his head.

Look at the news from yesterday. They were counting senators calling for resignation like it was a goddamned football score, and once that started he was done.

But, hey. We got the moral high ground now, right?

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:06:37pm

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

he is trying way, WAY too hard to distract…

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At least he’s not tweeting insults at people. It wouldn’t have been surprising if he had used the occasion to tweet an insult to the Japanese. But he may not know it was Japan that attacked Pearl Harbor.

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makeitstop  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:07:38pm

re: #107 Big Beautiful Door

His replacement is a Democrat. Its not a bad thing to get another Democratic woman in the US Senate.

And then face a special election next year for the final two years of his term.

We could lose that seat. Remember that recount? I ‘member.

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allegro  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:08:15pm

re: #110 makeitstop

No, that option went out the window when his fellow senators started calling for his head.

Look at the news from yesterday. They were counting senators calling for resignation like it was a goddamned football score, and once that started he was done.

But, hey. We got the moral high ground now, right?

I’m heartbroken to say that those leading the charge were Democratic women senators.

I’ll stop now. Still seething.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:08:31pm

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

These are almost normal tweets. Obviously not him.

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plansbandc  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:11:00pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

That gives the “Bald Eagles get more protection than unborn babies” bumper sticker some serious competition in the religious right idiocy sweepstakes.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:11:04pm

re: #112 makeitstop

And then face a special election next year for the final two years of his term.

We could lose that seat. Remember that recount? I ‘member.

In Minnesota, in a midterm election, with an extremely unpopular Republican President? If a Democrat can’t win that election, the GOP is going to expand its majority in the Senate anyway.

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freetoken  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:11:06pm

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

For all the talk about moral high ground when it comes to allegations of inappropriate contact/aggressiveness, when it comes to watching the, to me quite forced, focus on the attack on Pearl Harbor, I have to ask myself - what is the real moral “high ground?”.

Let’s look at this: The Japanese Navy attacked a US military base and killed many American military.

Meanwhile, after that, the US attacks Japan and kills hundreds of thousand of civilians, and 70 years later we are still bombing civilian wedding parties in some attempt to fight a “war on terrorism”.

It is probably just me being an urban elite hippie type, but I find the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians something about which we as a nation intentionally ignore.

The object lesson in Pearl Harbor remembrances is that history is written by the victor.

Additionally, “morality” is whatever we want it to be.

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Skip Intro  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:11:25pm

re: #114 Sir John Barron

These are almost normal tweets. Obviously not him.

Nope, not him at all. No !!!!!!, no MAGA!, no “even the losers and haters”.

Definitely not trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:11:26pm

re: #112 makeitstop

And then face a special election next year for the final two years of his term.

We could lose that seat. Remember that recount? I ‘member.

the GOP has certainly not forgotten and they are not gonna let that one slip away again

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:12:05pm
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Sir John Barron  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:13:58pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

CNN: Previously undisclosed emails show there was follow-up after the Trump Tower meeting, despite Trump Jr.’s insistence that there was none. Trump Jr. told House Intel yesterday that he could “not recall” the emails.

— Natasha Bertrand

Ah, OK, he doesn’t recall them. Let’s leave this innocent kid alone.

/

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:13:59pm

re: #29 freetoken

Appetizing photo.

Yet, beef and barley soup has always been near the bottom of the list of soups-I’d-eat. Always found them to have too strong and heavy of a flavor.

That’s what makes ‘em good!

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freetoken  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:15:12pm

re: #122 ObserverArt

That’s what makes ‘em good!

Celery is about my speed when it comes to flavor intensities in non-sweet foods.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:15:48pm

The picture of Franken leering while appearing to grope the breasts of a sleeping USP performer made this happen. A picture is worth a thousand words, because it make it ‘real’ to people in a way that 9 (credible!) allegations does not seem to do against Moore.

Franken screwed up. Nobody made him do those things. Maybe he was guilty of the other allegations, and maybe not, but he was absolutely correct when he said it fatally compromised his ability to do his job. He had to go. I like him. I’m sorry to see this happen. He still had to go.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:15:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:18:08pm

heh

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:19:05pm

re: #124 Scottish Dragon

The picture of Franken leering while appearing to grope the breasts of a sleeping USP performer made this happen. A picture is worth a thousand words, because it make it ‘real’ to people inn a way that 9 (credible!) allegations does not seem to do against Moore.

and to the GOP it is the moral equivalent of serially molesting teenage girls.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:20:10pm

re: #123 freetoken

If that celery isn’t part of a mirepoix or holy trinity, keep it!

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:20:20pm

re: #127 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and to the GOP it is the moral equivalent of serially molesting teenage girls.

I intend to hang that on their necks for the rest of my life. The party of perverts, molesters and pederasts.

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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:21:25pm

re: #128 JordanRules

If that celery isn’t part of a mirepoix or holy trinity, keep it!

Uh oh, here come the religious battles…

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:22:57pm

re: #130 wrenchwench

Pineapple pizza prayers for you all!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:23:18pm

omg…this is beyond embarrassing now:

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:23:35pm

re: #63 dangerman

currently, as promised

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Video

I don’t know…the Song “Touch Me” might not be a good choice at this time.

Heh. Great Album.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:23:40pm

re: #131 JordanRules

Pineapple pizza prayers for you all!

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Belafon  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:24:28pm

re: #127 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and to the GOP it is the moral equivalent of serially molesting teenage girls.

Actually, it’s worse. Only one of those gets you fired.

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Belafon  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:25:36pm

This is what’s happened to the temperature today in my area: localconditions.com

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makeitstop  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:26:10pm

re: #116 Big Beautiful Door

In Minnesota, in a midterm election, with an extremely unpopular Republican President? If a Democrat can’t win that election, the GOP is going to expand its majority in the Senate anyway.

We nearly lost it with an extremely popular Democratic president.

Don’t try to wave this away. That seat will be in jeopardy, two years before it was supposed to be.

It was a fucking mistake. Full. Stop.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:26:52pm

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:27:24pm
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Scottish Dragon  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:28:32pm

re: #137 makeitstop

We nearly lost it with an extremely popular Democratic president.

Don’t try to wave this away. That seat will be in jeopardy, two years before it was supposed to be.

It was a fucking mistake. Full. Stop.

It was a mistake that Franken brought on himself and all of the rest of us. That picture was utterly damning.

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BeachDem  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:28:35pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

FWIW, and I’ll keep it short:

I find no satisfaction as a woman being “protected” by forcing Franken to resign at the expense of due process/innocent until proven guilty. I’ve posted here about that precise fear earlier.

That is a slippery slope for which I will take no responsibility.

I second your emotion. From my comment on 11/18:

And if we let them force Franken out of the Senate, it is over.

It will be open season on every Democrat in congress. If they can pick off their Fox News bete noir, nobody is safe. (Think how steamed they are that O’Reilly, one of Franken’s earliest targets, is gone—and think of the glee in their dark hearts if they can make Franken go away.)… And if the troglodytes on the right see an opening—if the Dems decide that we have to be purer than the driven snow—they (the right wingers) will unleash a hellstorm of accusations against every fucking Dem—and if we insist that we’re going to hold our side to a standard that is unattainable and unrealistic, we are fucked.

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:30:43pm

re: #78 allegro

I see the Democratic party has conceded the moral high ground with the successful demand for Franken’s resignation. Yeah, flat out denied a U.S. citizen his due process rights to confront his accusers, one of our most basic and cherished Constitutional rights. I realize this isn’t a court of law but the concept still stands. Wait. No it doesn’t. Not here. Not now.

As a woman who has always had second class rights by denial of her bodily autonomy, that right granted to men only, I’m seeing yet another example of women being used to further the agenda of those who wish to deny women’s rights even further. I do not praise or respect the Democratic party more for its complicity in this effort. Quite the opposite. I see a party that pays loud and public lip service, just like the other party, but when the fight comes they choose the politically expedient course while claiming it’s about respect for women. Respect perhaps for women as tools. Women as weapons. Women to be used and discarded.

If there was respect then women would be heard. They claim that’s what they’re doing by demanding Franken’s resignation. No tolerance! Yet they are doing the opposite just as they always have. Just like the GOP. Franken’s accusers are now essentially silenced. If there was true respect, women’s stories wouldn’t be hidden by secret settlements and the NDAs tied to them while those who have been complicit in this arrangement all this time now publicly express shock! shock, I tells ya! that there are harassers and abusers among the ranks of their fellows of both parties. That’s been just fine, this protection, until it bites them in the ass and they toss a bone to the masses to get back to business as usual.

As a woman, if the Democratic party really wanted to take the moral high ground in my eyes, it would demand openness through public hearings (that they appear now to be fearful of with coming out en masse to demand resignation without them), give those women the platform and those they accuse the right of defense, if there is any. It would show respect both for woman and our rule of law. I see their actions of late to be a fuck you to both.

As a Democratic voter I see a party of simpering weakness while our country is in an existential battle for its soul. It could so easily have taken the true high ground and exhibited strength in this fight simultaneously. It could have used this opportunity for good, to help expose this pervasive rot in our culture. But no. Guess it’s too early to talk about this too.

There was a guest on MSNBC last night that said the Democrats had to do this for the younger women.

She said many younger women were really pissed at Nancy Pelosi for not acting right away. She seemed to be saying if the Democrats want to attract young women this needed to be done, and maybe older women did not understand as they had gotten used to the way things used to work. She claimed those days are over.

Just thought I’d toss that into the conversation to give another view.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:32:05pm

re: #140 Scottish Dragon

It was a mistake that Franken brought on himself and all of the rest of us. That picture was utterly damning.

That picture wasn’t what drove Democrats yesterday to demand his head on a silver platter, it was “anonymous” allegations for which there still exists no evidence aside from the words of women who refuse to step forward. Is that the precedent you feel comfortable with, men being driven out of office due to allegations made in the shadows?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:33:52pm

re: #143 Targetpractice

That picture wasn’t what drove Democrats yesterday to demand his head on a silver platter, it was “anonymous” allegations for which there still exists no evidence aside from the words of women who refuse to step forward. Is that the precedent you feel comfortable with, men being driven out of office due to allegations made in the shadows?

no, it is men still remaining in office or as viable candidates even after women have made their charges openly

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:34:01pm

re: #141 BeachDem

I second your emotion. From my comment on 11/18:

I really don’t think its either unattainable or unrealistic to expect men not to press kisses on or grab the butts of strangers. I don’t do that, and I believe most other men don’t do it either.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:34:20pm

re: #131 JordanRules

Pineapple pizza prayers for you all!

I can put up with the Franken controversy here, but you crossed a line.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:35:37pm

re: #146 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I had to do something!

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:35:51pm

re: #138 Ace-o-aces

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I have seen this argument from the radical Christian Right for years. The notion is that evolution is a Satanic philosophy that is directly contrary to God’s Law and leads to permissiveness, atheism and the eventual destruction of civilization’s foundations because we are relegated to the status of animals instead of beings created in God;s image.

Therefore, violence, communism, fascism, drug use, promiscuity etc are all fruits of evolution theory and as a side effect lead to increasing liberal gub’mint handouts and judicial tyranny as a godless liberal government tries to fill in for the void created by kicking God out of his proper role as the fountainhead of American society.

The mode of thought is very Jacobean, actually, since it assumes a perfectable society if we only get rid of (fill in blank)…

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Belafon  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:36:13pm

re: #145 Big Beautiful Door

I really don’t think its either unattainable or unrealistic to expect men not to press kisses on or grab the butts of strangers. I don’t do that, and I believe most other men don’t do it either.

You know that the last accusation was him squeezing her on the waist?

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William Lewis  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:36:34pm

re: #117 freetoken

For all the talk about moral high ground when it comes to allegations of inappropriate contact/aggressiveness, when it comes to watching the, to me quite forced, focus on the attack on Pearl Harbor, I have to ask myself - what is the real moral “high ground?”.

Let’s look at this: The Japanese Navy attacked a US military base and killed many American military.

Meanwhile, after that, the US attacks Japan and kills hundreds of thousand of civilians, and 70 years later we are still bombing civilian wedding parties in some attempt to fight a “war on terrorism”.

It is probably just me being an urban elite hippie type, but I find the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians something about which we as a nation intentionally ignore.

The object lesson in Pearl Harbor remembrances is that history is written by the victor.

Additionally, “morality” is whatever we want it to be.

Look up Operation Downfall sometime. Those two bombs that killed 220,000 saved millions of others. Yes, millions.

They’re still awarding Purple Hearts that were minted in the hundreds of thousands in preparation for that invasion’s first part.

There are similar issues regarding the use of drones. Would you prefer even less discrimination iron bombs? Boots on the ground with an infantry unit? Or just letting them continue to plan how to kill others with even less discrimination that we use?

The world has many shades of grey and only two of them are black and white.

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Bubblehead II  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:37:06pm
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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:37:51pm

re: #142 ObserverArt

Just thought I’d toss that into the conversation to give another view.

Like a Habanero into the soup…

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:38:03pm

re: #149 Belafon

You know that the last accusation was him squeezing her on the waist?

You really shouldn’t squeeze strange women anywhere.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:38:47pm

FULL ON I smell fire. Just ran outside, don’t see anything from my parking lot

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William Lewis  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:39:17pm

re: #148 Scottish Dragon

I have seen this argument from the radical Christian Right for years. The notion is that evolution is a Satanic philosophy that is directly contrary to God’s Law and leads to permissiveness, atheism and the eventual destruction of civilization’s foundations because we are relegated to the statud of anaimals instead of beings created in God;s image.

Therefore, violence, communism, fascism, drug use, promiscuity etc are all fruits of evolution theory and as a side effect lead to increasing liberal gub’mint handouts and judicial tyranny as a godless liberal government tries to fill in for the void created by kicking God out of his proper role as the fountainhead of American society.

The mode of thought is very Jacobean, actually, since it assumes a perfectable society if we only get rid of (fill in blank)…

It’s also quite calvinistic too as it allows them to understand that they’re the only special snowflakes who will be saved because they believe the right things that they were pre-ordained to think.

Fundamentalism is a poison in every faith it touches.

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:40:02pm

re: #113 allegro

I’m heartbroken to say that those leading the charge were Democratic women senators.

I’ll stop now. Still seething.

I suggest you email contact all the Senators that were on that list yesterday. It will make you feel better. And I think it important they hear from women on this.

https://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:40:07pm

re: #151 Bubblehead II

He makes proclamations for all the days and things that already exist. Such a dumbass. He’s a toddler playing dress up President/King in some respects.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:40:21pm

re: #50 Big Beautiful Door

Well some silly things have been posted. If McConnell does block Franken’s replacement and this somehow makes the GOP agenda easier to enact, I’ll eat some crow.

If McConnell and his 51 senators have their way, you won’t be able to afford crow.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:40:24pm

re: #143 Targetpractice

That picture wasn’t what drove Democrats yesterday to demand his head on a silver platter, it was “anonymous” allegations for which there still exists no evidence aside from the words of women who refuse to step forward. Is that the precedent you feel comfortable with, men being driven out of office due to allegations made in the shadows?

Seven allegations are a serious thing…and that picture is what gave them context. This would not have happened if that picture were not in the back of everybody’s mind each time a new allegation came out. One of the women just wrote a story in The Atlantic about her experience with him fer Chrissakes!

If we are going to have credibility in dealing with true, evil predators like Moore…our glass house had better be clean.

I’m sorry he is leaving. I know he will be missed. He still did this to himself.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:40:36pm

re: #153 Big Beautiful Door

You really shouldn’t squeeze strange women anywhere.

Apparently the rule going forward is “Just avoid women.” Keep well away from them, don’t make eye contact, don’t move towards them in a fashion that could be viewed as “sexual,” and avoid speaking to them as much as possible so that nothing “suggestive” is said in their presence. Otherwise, you too could be the next tarred and feathered as a “sexual predator.”

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EPR-radar  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:40:50pm

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

Christ. It’s especially stupid of Trump to mention Pearl Harbor in connection with Europe.

1) Contrary to what Trump may have seen in what he regards as news, the Germans did not, in fact, bomb Pearl Harbor.

2) The US declaration of war was vs. Japan. The US entered the war in Europe at that time because Hitler very stupidly declared war on the US because the US declared war on Japan.

3) US conservatives of that time included many Hitler-lovers, and this taint has been passed down through the decades in the Republican party undiminished much by the passage of time.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:41:21pm

re: #57 ipsos

I feel uneasy these days depending on any norms to hold in the Senate. They’ve proven too often that they can make their own new rules with no consequences.

(Justice Garland remains unavailable for comment.)

I’m trying to stay out of the arguments about Al Franken, but I would note that his own seating was held up. (That is that issue about the Dems supposedly had a two-year majority in the Senate when it was really about two months.)

Tongue-in-cheek, as for all the people threatening to eat crow, my wife has a recipe for that on one of her Websites. If you’re gonna cook crow, do it right (the recipe is a hoot).

Crow Recipe (goes to Gunafood)

We have a plumber here now (sixty mile trips for plumbers cost a fantastic amount of money) fixing several problems at once. I guess we won’t be able to afford avocado toast and lattes this month.

After last night’s patty cake with the water tower, maybe some day I’ll get to go to bed… .

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makeitstop  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:41:44pm

re: #140 Scottish Dragon

It was a mistake that Franken brought on himself and all of the rest of us. That picture was utterly damning.

He could have weathered it. He apologized to the woman, and the woman accepted his apology. He was ready to go through an Ethics investigation. He did the right thing.

The blowback from Conyers sent a good number of Democratic senators into a panic, and knees jerked.

Backwoods is absolutely right, we’re now on a slippery slope. Precedent has been set, and even Dems who are falsely accused now will be expected to follow that precedent. Bad, bad move.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:41:49pm
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allegro  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:41:56pm

re: #153 Big Beautiful Door

You really shouldn’t squeeze strange women anywhere.

And for the love of gawd NEVER hug anyone of the opposite sex! Pretty dangerous to sit next to one too cuz dammit a brush up against the arm or leg… nonono, bad touch harassment!

Guess Pence and Mother are right after all.

///I can’t even today

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:42:06pm

re: #157 JordanRules

He makes proclamations for all the days and things that already exist. Such a dumbass. He’s a toddler playing dress up President/King in some respects.

Not to nitpick but I thought that was commonplace. OTOH calling Pearl Harbor “A wild scene.”

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BeachDem  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:42:17pm

re: #142 ObserverArt

There was a guest on MSNBC last night that said the Democrats had to do this for the younger women.

She said many younger women were really pissed at Nancy Pelosi for not acting right away. She seemed to be saying if the Democrats want to attract young women this needed to be done, and maybe older women did not understand as they had gotten used to the way things used to work. She claimed those days are over.

Just thought I’d toss that into the conversation to give another view.

Jeez—we old women can’t catch a fucking break. First, we’re lumped in with right-wing boomers and our imminent decline and death anxiously anticipated; now we don’t understand what we’ve lived with for 50+ years and have to shut up and step aside.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:42:41pm

re: #160 Targetpractice

Apparently the rule going forward is “Just avoid women.” Keep well away from them, don’t make eye contact, don’t move towards them in a fashion that could be viewed as “sexual,” and avoid speaking to them as much as possible so that nothing “suggestive” is said in their presence. Otherwise, you too could be the next tarred and feathered as a “sexual predator.”

That’s what the far-right is saying. Maybe don’t be as reactionary as they are.

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austin_blue  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:42:52pm

I think what this situation calls for is a man to explain what you are really feeling and why.

(runs, jumps into foxhole, dons helmet, cries in abject terror, and begs for mercy)

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:43:13pm

re: #159 Scottish Dragon

Seven allegations are a serious thing…and that picture is what gave them context. This would not have happened if that picture were not in the back of everybody’s mind each time a new allegation came out. One of the women just wrote a story in The Atlantic about her experience with him fer Chrissakes!

If we are going to have credibility in dealing with true, evil predators like Moore…our glass house had better be clean.

I’m sorry he is leaving. I know he will be missed. He still did this to himself.

We’re dealing with Moore so well that he’s still on-course to be elected to the Senate next week. But I’m sure today’s events will really make the GOP think just a little harder about maybe, possibly hesitating before shaking his hand and patting him on the back.

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makeitstop  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:43:40pm

re: #141 BeachDem

I second your emotion. From my comment on 11/18:

Prescient. That’s pretty much exactly what happened.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:44:25pm
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EPR-radar  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:44:42pm

re: #154 Stanley Sea

FULL ON I smell fire. Just ran outside, don’t see anything from my parking lot

Big wildfires can give a really unpleasant smoke stench even if they are tens of miles away, depending on the prevailing winds.

Edited to add: So other sources of information will be more useful in assessing the danger.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:45:24pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

I was responding to him proclaiming something that already exists. I’m not familiar with other POTUS doing that, but maybe it’s the Tweeting that makes it seem silly.

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:46:03pm

re: #128 JordanRules

If that celery isn’t part of a mirepoix or holy trinity, keep it!

Amen! (On the Holy Trinity)

I use celery in my beef or vegetable lo mein. I cut it thin and on a very steep angle to form ‘banana-like’ shaped pieces. A local Chinese place I used to frequent served their lo mein that way, and I picked it up.

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allegro  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:46:03pm

re: #167 BeachDem

Jeez—we old women can’t catch a fucking break. First, we’re lumped in with right-wing boomers and our imminent decline and death anxiously anticipated; now we don’t understand what we’ve lived with for 50+ years and have to shut up and step aside.

Thank you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:46:10pm

re: #167 BeachDem

Jeez—we old women can’t catch a fucking break. First, we’re lumped in with right-wing boomers and our imminent decline and death anxiously anticipated; now we don’t understand what we’ve lived with for 50+ years and have to shut up and step aside.

thanks…I had a lengthy rant in response to that that I erased before hitting post because I. Just. Can’t. Anymore. Today.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:46:38pm

re: #171 Stanley Sea

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CleverToad  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:46:39pm

re: #171 Stanley Sea

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:47:14pm

re: #167 BeachDem

Jeez—we old women can’t catch a fucking break. First, we’re lumped in with right-wing boomers and our imminent decline and death anxiously anticipated; now we don’t understand what we’ve lived with for 50+ years and have to shut up and step aside.

Personally, I’m having difficulty taking this whole “young women calling on old women to move out of the way” business seriously when the young women I personally know responded to questions about voting with variations of “I don’t see the point.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:47:19pm

re: #175 JordanRules

I was responding to him proclaiming something that already exists. I’m not familiar with other POTUS doing that, but maybe it’s the Tweeting that makes it seem silly.

Oh ok.

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austin_blue  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:48:36pm

re: #171 Stanley Sea

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:49:03pm
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makeitstop  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:49:24pm

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MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:51:11pm

re: #39 jeffreyw

I didn’t have any fresh ‘shrooms, I guess I could have dumped in some canned…

eeewwwwwww….

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:51:20pm

re: #185 Ace-o-aces

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makeitstop  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:51:21pm

re: #180 Scottish Dragon

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A Mom Anon  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:52:23pm

re: #167 BeachDem

Yep. What worries me now is that there will be even fewer female staffers, interns and even elected officials (at all levels not just federal) because there will be a backlash, and maybe men will just decide it’s too much trouble to have women in the workplace. And while that’s illegal, it’s kinda hard to prove you didn’t get the job because of gender unless someone says it outright. Your application can end up in the circular file and no one would be the wiser, it’s happened to me, I doubt I’m alone.

Yes, that’s the problem of stupid dudes who don’t think women are equals, but those guys are still in power all over the place, from McDonald’s to the White House. Women are going to have to fight harder than we have in a long time to make the systemic changes needed. That means being bitchy and speaking up when some guy decides to mess with our livelihoods. Many of these men are predators, they look for ways to get away with this shit in private. They count on our silence and embarrassment, the fear of reprisal. There have to be ways to confront that that are constructive.

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BlueGrl21  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:52:25pm

re: #140 Scottish Dragon

It was a mistake that Franken brought on himself and all of the rest of us. That picture was utterly damning.

Thank you.

Wanted to get the male view from my husband and mixed-ideology coworkers on it. They all said the same thing. It’s about the hypocrisy of Senator Franken. He’s been a liberal fighter while he had these pictures and accusations going around, not all anonymous. How can we be throwing a fit over Moore and Trump and Weinstein and even Bill O and Matt Lauer, and yet Senator Franken does it, with photographic evidence, and we think he deserves an exception?

It’s simple to them. They see him as a hypocrite. They see any man who talks about caring about the rights and protection of women while not living that out in their private lives as hypocrites. And they see the Democrats claiming to be the party of women and then appearing to protect someone who they feel clearly (the photos) sexually harassed a female SOLDIER. Asleep.

Judge Roy Moore is a hypocrite. He claims to protect women while he was assaulting 14 year-olds in his 30s. Donald Trump is the biggest hypocrite I’ve had the displeasure of being aware of. Bill Clinton was a hypocrite for being involved with Monica Lewinsky. You can’t hold yourself up as a fighter for women and then behave like that.

I am tired of this whole thing. Roy Moore and Donald Trump are pieces of shit, Al Franken is not. Al is paying a price they are not. But the Republican Party has never presented itself as the champions of women. We have. So we’re held to a higher standard as a result.

People don’t see the political chess match. They see, “Yeah, he held himself up as a liberal champion but look at what was going on. He’s a hypocrite. So are Democrats.”

That’s the optics we have to be aware of.

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dangerman  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:53:02pm

re: #163 makeitstop

…Precedent has been set, and even Dems who are falsely accused now will be expected to follow that precedent. Bad, bad move.

i’ve been staying out of this because i cant (yet) separate the “moral” from the political, from the legal from the constitutional, from the senate rules, from public opinion, from ….

in any event i dont think the above clip is quite true - yet.

conyers and franken are leaving because they know that some part of the accusations are true or true enough

i’d like to think that someone who knows he is in fact falsely accused says, respectfully, “bring it on”

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:54:15pm

re: #140 Scottish Dragon

It was a mistake that Franken brought on himself and all of the rest of us. That picture was utterly damning.

Speaking of pictures.

I just saw this at another forum.

I’m not going to post the photo at the link. This is too hot a subject now, and no matter the discussion, someone will be upset.

I’ll leave that to the people that want to check it out and give their opinion.

podwits.com

I have no idea who these guys are, etc.

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dangerman  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:56:33pm

re: #170 Targetpractice

We’re dealing with Moore so well that he’s still on-course to be elected to the Senate next week. But I’m sure today’s events will really make the GOP think just a little harder about maybe, possibly hesitating before shaking his hand and patting him on the back.

remember again:

franken was voted in without anyone knowing this

alabama knows and are still voting for the guy

the situations are different

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EPR-radar  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:56:41pm

re: #192 dangerman

i’ve been staying out of this because i cant (yet) separate the “moral” from the political, from the legal from the constitutional, from the senate rules, from public opinion, from ….

in any event i dont think the above clip is quite true - yet.

conyers and franken are leaving because they know that some part of the accusations are true or true enough

i’d like to think that someone who knows he is in fact falsely accused says, respectfully, “bring it on”

I think it inevitable that we’ll see false charges vs. Democrats as the right wing noise machine tests the limits of what it can get away with. I’m hoping that we see a successful implementation of “bring it on” when that happens.

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MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:57:49pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve been keeping quiet all freaking day because I am too pissed off, so thank you for posting what I would have liked to have said.

Standing up here and applauding loudly!!!

You and me both. It’s absolutely infuriating. I have had to hold my keyboard for the last few days. I read all the comments and it’s beyond infuriating.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:58:35pm

re: #192 dangerman

i’ve been staying out of this because i cant (yet) separate the “moral” from the political, from the legal from the constitutional, from the senate rules, from public opinion, from ….

in any event i dont think the above clip is quite true - yet.

conyers and franken are leaving because they know that some part of the accusations are true or true enough

i’d like to think that someone who knows he is in fact falsely accused says, respectfully, “bring it on”

He did that. His party abandoned his ass and lined up to publicly call for his resignation in the name of political expediency. Easier to run him out of the party than support his calls for due process.

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austin_blue  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:58:42pm

re: #187 MsJ

eeewwwwwww….

Inoright? They squeak for the love of dog.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:59:48pm
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blueraven  Dec 7, 2017 • 1:59:49pm

re: #107 Big Beautiful Door

His replacement is a Democrat. Its not a bad thing to get another Democratic woman in the US Senate.

Short term…Minnesota could go either way in the special election next year.

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MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:00:21pm

re: #106 ObserverArt

I’d love to upding you, but I am far too pissed. A few too many days of a guy shitting all over all women’s futures. Sorry…not sorry.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:01:03pm

re: #191 BlueGrl21

Thank you.

Wanted to get the male view from my husband and mixed-ideology coworkers on it. They all said the same thing. It’s about the hypocrisy of Senator Franken. He’s been a liberal fighter while he had these pictures and accusations going around, not all anonymous. How can we be throwing a fit over Moore and Trump and Weinstein and even Bill O and Matt Lauer, and yet Senator Franken does it, with photographic evidence, and we think he deserves an exception?

It’s simple to them. They see him as a hypocrite. They see any man who talks about caring about the rights and protection of women while not living that out in their private lives as hypocrites. And they see the Democrats claiming to be the party of women and then appearing to protect someone who they feel clearly (the photos) sexually harassed a female SOLDIER. Asleep.

Judge Roy Moore is a hypocrite. He claims to protect women while he was assaulting 14 year-olds in his 30s. Donald Trump is the biggest hypocrite I’ve had the displeasure of being aware of. Bill Clinton was a hypocrite for being involved with Monica Lewinsky. You can’t hold yourself up as a fighter for women and then behave like that.

I am tired of this whole thing. Roy Moore and Donald Trump are pieces of shit, Al Franken is not. Al is paying a price they are not. But the Republican Party has never presented itself as the champions of women. We have. So we’re held to a higher standard as a result.

People don’t see the political chess match. They see, “Yeah, he held himself up as a liberal champion but look at what was going on. He’s a hypocrite. So are Democrats.”

That’s the optics we have to be aware of.

Excuse the mansplaining, but that was not a female SOLDIER. It was a civilian female entertainer, later to be a RW radio personality, on a USO tour.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:01:22pm

re: #191 BlueGrl21

This exactly how I feel. We are the party of women’s rights. We have to walk that walk while we are talking about it.

Fondling, groping, surprise unwanted ‘kisses’ and (thanks a lot, Conyers) honest to God assault cannot be a part of what we are about.

If the GOP wants to own the child molesters, the gropers, the rapists and the pederasts, then so be it.

Rod Dreher was again braying today about the liberals and “forced transgender education.”

We are going to remind people for a generation to come that the GOP elects perverts, rapists and men who try to have sex with little boys and 14 year old girls while claiming to have Christian values. Hang it on them. Never, ever let people forget who and what they are. It is evil. There is not other word for it.

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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:01:28pm

I’m so old, I remember when ‘Take Back the Night’ was starting up. Now we have to go back and start with the fucking days.

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MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:01:59pm

re: #116 Big Beautiful Door

In Minnesota, in a midterm election, with an extremely unpopular Republican President? If a Democrat can’t win that election, the GOP is going to expand its majority in the Senate anyway.

That makes it all better. So much happier we gave up a seat. Fuck due process. Fuck it all. Fuck US all.

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coin operated  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:03:12pm

re: #78 allegro

Can I reprint this? I felt the same way, but have a clutch of fools who need to hear it expressed exactly the way you said it.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:03:47pm

*sigh*

I’m out.

See you guys tomorrow when tempers have cooled a little, hopefully.

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allegro  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:04:23pm

re: #206 coin operated

Can I reprint this? I felt the same way, but have a clutch of fools who need to hear it expressed exactly the way you said it.

Sure. Thank you for the compliment.

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freetoken  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:04:33pm

It’s not a contradiction that someone could be a champion of a cause, say women’s rights, and then also have done something inappropriate, as alleged of Franken.

Life is full of these kind of things.

That the usual hate-right mob only call Franken a hypocrite and the plethora of wingnut/con-artist Republicans who do worse get a pass by this crowd - that is what to expect of people who really have nothing left in which to believe but their own tribe.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:05:07pm

re: #203 Scottish Dragon

This exactly how I feel. We are the party of women’s rights. We have to walk that walk while we are talking about it.

Fondling, groping, surprise unwanted ‘kisses’ and (thanks a lot, Conyers) honest to God assault cannot be a part of what we are about.

If the GOP wants to own the child molesters, the gropers, the rapists and the pederarst, then so be it.

Rod Dreher was again braying today about the liberals and “forced transgender education.”

We are going to remind people for a generation to come that the GOP elects perverts, rapists and men who try to have sex with little boys and 14 year old girls while claiming to have Christian values. Hang it on them. Never, ever let people forget who and what they are. It is evil. There is not other word for it.

The GOP does own them, and still keeps winning elections. We keep taking the “moral high ground” and losing elections left and right.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:06:19pm

re: #210 Targetpractice

The GOP does own them, and still keeps winning elections. We keep taking the “moral high ground” and losing elections left and right.

Let’s see what happens in 2018.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:07:19pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:07:55pm

re: #211 Scottish Dragon

Let’s see what happens in 2018.

Election Day’s a year away. In a year, I expect voters to be more worried about making ends meet than whether or not the DNC was right to run Al Franken out of office.

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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:07:57pm

Stanley, don’t be updinging me unless you are all packed, especially the cat!

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freetoken  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:08:32pm

Winds have picked up here again. No fires nearby, fortunately.

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BeachDem  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:10:12pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

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So Sarah Huckabee and the yam are now going to “repubsplain” civil rights leaders to John Lewis?

Now I’ve heard everything.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:10:18pm

Ooh wee!

Let’s move some hot takes over here!

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A Mom Anon  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:10:59pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

Wait. What now? OMG. Oh I’m sure Congressman Lewis knows nothing at all about sacrifices made during the Civil Rights Movement. GAHHHHHH! I swear, my heart cannot take much more of this nonsense.

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dangerman  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:11:01pm

re: #197 Targetpractice

He did that. His party abandoned his ass and lined up to publicly call for his resignation in the name of political expediency. Easier to run him out of the party than support his calls for due process.

i do not disagree with you - and i would have been fine waiting for the investigation

i think two things can be true at the same time, and the other is my line above what you bolded

he knows or has a good idea how it would come out
he knows he is not being totally, falsely accused

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:11:14pm

re: #143 Targetpractice

That picture wasn’t what drove Democrats yesterday to demand his head on a silver platter, it was “anonymous” allegations …

It was all of it in confluence. This was a messy situation and there’s no one obvious correct answer that satisfies every concern I have.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:11:51pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

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BlueGrl21  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:12:17pm

re: #160 Targetpractice

Apparently the rule going forward is “Just avoid women.” Keep well away from them, don’t make eye contact, don’t move towards them in a fashion that could be viewed as “sexual,” and avoid speaking to them as much as possible so that nothing “suggestive” is said in their presence. Otherwise, you too could be the next tarred and feathered as a “sexual predator.”

If someone struggles with basic self control and respect to women, that is a wise course of action.

Most men I’ve known are well aware of how to treat women respectfully and do not have these issues.re: #202 Decatur Deb

Excuse the mansplaining, but that was not a female SOLDIER. It was a civilian female entertainer, later to be a RW radio personality, on a USO tour.

Oh, I don’t mind being corrected. But look at it this way….if I interpreted it that way, and the men I talked to interpreted it that way, how does that photo look to people?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:12:19pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

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Civil rights leaders like Lewis who was you know there.

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blueraven  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:12:19pm

Trent Franks resigning.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:12:57pm

re: #224 blueraven

Trent Franks resigning.

Good riddance to wingnut garbage.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:13:10pm

Are all our Lizards in the fire zone out west accounted for? I’m worried about all of you out there.

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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:13:29pm

Take back the frogs!

[…]

“It was my last night at that site, and I had to wait a year before being able to return to that location to conduct a second season of field work. It was a cold, rainy night, and I could not believe my eyes the moment I saw what appeared to be the same frog, literally sitting on the same rock where I failed to catch it the year before.”

“This time I was successful, and the frog was positively identified as Craugastor milesi, a species that had not been seen for nearly 25 years and was declared to be extinct.”

“In the midst of my project studying a disease that is causing amphibians to go extinct, it was a very rewarding moment to find this special frog and learn that his species had been hanging onto existence.”

[…]

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:13:30pm

re: #224 blueraven

Trent Franks resigning.

So whose ass did he grab?

//

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blueraven  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:13:50pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

Good riddance to wingnut garbage.

Waiting for Farenthold.

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dangerman  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:14:09pm

anyway, sorry i gotta go.
please please please play nice

we all gotta look each other in the eye tomorrow

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austin_blue  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:14:12pm

re: #209 freetoken

It’s not a contradiction that someone could be a champion of a cause, say women’s rights, and then also have done something inappropriate, as alleged of Franken.

Life is full of these kind of things.

That the usual hate-right mob only call Franken a hypocrite and the plethora of wingnut/con-artist Republicans who do worse get a pass by this crowd - that is what to expect of people who really have nothing left in which to believe but their own tribe.

And it’s not surprising that the situation is so fraught for the D’s. That’s obvious here, where valid points have been made on both sides of the question. I personally would have preferred if his fellow Senators would have let it play out, but they didn’t.

Ultimately it was Franken’s call, and I think he probably just said to himself “Fuck it, I tried to play by the rules of the Senate and a Greyhound just ran over my ass.”

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:15:37pm

re: #222 BlueGrl21

If someone struggles with basic self control and respect to women, that is a wise course of action.

Most men I’ve known are well aware of how to treat women respectfully and do not have these issues.

Oh, I don’t mind being corrected. But look at it this way….if I interpreted it that way, and the men I talked to interpreted it that way, how does that photo look to people?

It looks precisely the way the people who released it want it to look. They had an advantage provided by his comedian’s juvenile approach to life, and went for it. They knew that enough “Me Too” would finish the job.

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makeitstop  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:16:56pm

re: #195 EPR-radar

I think it inevitable that we’ll see false charges vs. Democrats as the right wing noise machine tests the limits of what it can get away with. I’m hoping that we see a successful implementation of “bring it on” when that happens.

I could make the argument that even if successfully defended, Rs would use the mere fact that a D was accused as fodder.

But I ain’t that cynical yet.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:17:09pm

re: #203 Scottish Dragon

This exactly how I feel. We are the party of women’s rights. We have to walk that walk while we are talking about it.

I basically come down to something like this, that we weren’t going to game our way out of this shit sandwich that Franken created with, at best, his incredibly poor judgement. I don’t see how simply prolonging the spectacle out of some idealistic adherence to the principle of due process would’ve ended with Democrats being in a stronger position.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:17:42pm

re: #202 Decatur Deb

Excuse the mansplaining, but that was not a female SOLDIER. It was a civilian female entertainer, later to be a RW radio personality, on a USO tour.

and she was on Hannity’s show hawking the fact that she signed a contract for a book about all of this the very next day after making the accusations.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:18:12pm

re: #233 makeitstop


But I ain’t that cynical yet.

Then you’re not following the CRNC and Project Veritas closely enough.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:18:44pm

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

and she was on Hannity’s show hawking the fact that she sign a contract for a book about all of this the very next day after making the accusations.

We got played, y’all.

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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:18:49pm
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austin_blue  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:19:20pm

re: #217 JordanRules

Ooh wee!

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Let’s move some hot takes over here!

Jimmy Breslin wrote a great New York comedy called The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight”. Who knew it was a ironic prophecy of future events?

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freetoken  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:20:17pm

re: #234 goddamnedfrank

The whole situation with Franken strikes me as having only presented a spectrum of losing propositions, regardless of the choices made by whomever. I doubt there was an outcome we could label “winning”.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:20:27pm

re: #234 goddamnedfrank

I basically come down to something like this, that we weren’t going to game our way out of this shit sandwich that Franken created with, at best, his incredibly poor judgement. I don’t see how simply prolonging the spectacle out of some idealistic adherence to the principle of due process would’ve ended with Democrats being in a stronger position.

And I can’t see any positive outcome coming out of the events of the last 48 hours. The DNC ran one of their own out of the Senate without affording him any opportunity to defend himself. They’ve now set themselves to defend a seat in less than a year with a candidate whose only real selling point is “I’m a Democrat.” And we’re expecting to extract some sort of “moral superiority” out of it when the deck is stacked so heavily against us that just the accusation alone of sexual impropriety smears the entire party.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:20:37pm

re: #222 BlueGrl21

If someone struggles with basic self control and respect to women, that is a wise course of action.

Most men I’ve known are well aware of how to treat women respectfully and do not have these issues.

Oh, I don’t mind being corrected. But look at it this way….if I interpreted it that way, and the men I talked to interpreted it that way, how does that photo look to people?

When that photo first showed up on the internet she was deliberately identified as a SOLDIER.

There was a misinformation agenda regarding “optics” right from the get go.

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BlueGrl21  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:20:40pm

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

and she was on Hannity’s show hawking the fact that she sign a contract for a book about all of this the very next day after making the accusations.

Yes, but that doesn’t change the fact the picture exists. Al shit the bed. Others took advantage of that.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:21:42pm

re: #234 goddamnedfrank

I’m curious about when and how Due Process was so strongly invoked in all of this.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:22:11pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:22:20pm

re: #243 BlueGrl21

Yes, but that doesn’t change the fact the picture exists. Al shit the bed. Others took advantage of that.

And others were happy to be taken advantage of.

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makeitstop  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:22:26pm

re: #236 Decatur Deb

Then you’re not following the CRNC and Project Veritas closely enough.

I’m not ready to give in to the gloom. But I know those pig-fuckers are out there.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:22:53pm

re: #244 JordanRules

I’m curious about when and how Due Process was so strongly invoked in all of this.

Immediately, when Franken himself insisted on a Senate ethics investigation.

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allegro  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:23:21pm

re: #232 Decatur Deb

It looks precisely the way the people who released it want it to look. They had an advantage provided by his comedian’s juvenile approach to life, and went for it. They knew that enough “Me Too” would finish the job.

Us old-timers are damn lucky the cameras available to us not that long ago were film only. I’m remembering whole bunches of such silly “inappropriate” photos back then with friends and co-workers when we were goofing around. To call this shocking and “damning” just makes my eyeballs roll.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:24:04pm

re: #241 Targetpractice

And I can’t see any positive outcome coming out of the events of the last 48 hours. The DNC ran one of their own out of the Senate without affording him any opportunity to defend himself. They’ve now set themselves to defend a seat in less than a year with a candidate whose only real selling point is “I’m a Democrat.” And we’re expecting to extract some sort of “moral superiority” out of it when the deck is stacked so heavily against us that just the accusation alone of sexual impropriety smears the entire party.

Like amputating a gangrenous limb it registers as a loss and there’s lingering phantom pain. It’s not supposed to feel good. That doesn’t mean that keeping the limb for a bit longer was a better option.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:24:29pm

re: #248 Decatur Deb

No men before him tho? In any position or industry?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:24:52pm

re: #249 allegro

Us old-timers are damn lucky the cameras available to us not that long ago were film only. I’m remembering whole bunches of such silly “inappropriate” photos back then with friends and co-workers when we were goofing around. To call this shocking and “damning” just makes my eyeballs roll.

There is a photo of me and a belly dancer in a club in Istanbul. Cracks Mrs. Deb up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:25:05pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:25:46pm

re: #157 JordanRules

He makes proclamations for all the days and things that already exist. Such a dumbass. He’s a toddler playing dress up President/King in some respects.

That I won’t ding Mr. Trump for. Most of those proclamations are written into law (including Pearl Harbor Day) to be issued.

What I will ding him for is not issuing the proclamation until late in the afternoon on the day. My state governor issued it yesterday.

Ordering the flag to half-staff (started by President Obama) at 4 o’clock in the afternoon doesn’t mean much.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:25:49pm

re: #251 JordanRules

No men before him tho? In any position or industry?

? I’ve lost the timeline there.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:26:25pm

re: #250 goddamnedfrank

Like amputating a gangrenous limb it registers as a loss and there’s lingering phantom pain. It’s not supposed to feel good. That doesn’t mean that keeping the limb for a bit longer was a better option.

The situation was one where the limb might have been saved but rendered lame as a result, but removing it immediately would reduce the risk of complications and we can just fit a prosthetic in its place. Neither situation was preferable, but too many of us would have rather kept the limb than hack it off because the “replacement” we’re offered is shiny.

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freetoken  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:27:15pm

Just me, and maybe because I’m not a woman I’m not appreciating the problems of a sexualized workplace and gender power-asymmetry, but when I look at what is happening around me I think about the power of salacious scandals to over-draw attention away from other issues that are themselves huge and ought to get more attention.

Consider a story like this:

Nearly 1,000 More People Died in Puerto Rico After Hurricane María

It touches on both 1) the problem that the rest of the US really doesn’t care about PR, 2) the sorrowful state of healthcare outside of the major population areas in the 50 states.

Trump and the Republicans have been down right horrible on these things.

This ought to be an item in American politics.

But instead, all we can talk about is the sad state of deviancy and abuse by some leaders. I’m not saying these too are unimportant, but they’ve crowded out of the mindspace in our news cycle lots of other important things.

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MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:27:20pm

re: #244 JordanRules

I’m curious about when and how Due Process was so strongly invoked in all of this.

Franken called for a full investigation when this first happened and said he would fully cooperate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:27:58pm
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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:28:03pm

re: #255 Decatur Deb

Weinstein and after works.

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:28:23pm

I’ve been trying to find video of the panel I saw last night that made the comment that Nancy Pelosi didn’t understand younger women in regards to the Al Franken allegations and should have acted quicker.

I sort of have the feeling I need to find it, because my comment didn’t go over too well. I don’t want to make it seem like I made it up or endorsed it.

I’m coming up empty. I is bummed.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:28:35pm
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darthstar  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:28:42pm

re: #6 jaunte

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Many people are mentioning remembering it, more and more.

I actually thought out loud about this earlier today.

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darthstar  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:29:10pm

re: #263 darthstar

I actually thought out loud about this earlier today.

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And now I know.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:29:23pm

re: #256 Targetpractice

The situation was one where the limb might have been saved but rendered lame as a result, but removing it immediately would reduce the risk of complications and we can just fit a prosthetic in its place. Neither situation was preferable, but too many of us would have rather kept the limb than hack it off because the “replacement” we’re offered is shiny.

Franken’s future contributions were pretty much shot to hell the day it broke. The Dems could have handled it with a great deal more grace. They decided to “take women seriously” at the cost of not taking basic fairness seriously.

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darthstar  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:29:29pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:29:45pm

re: #238 wrenchwench

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So Franks is caught doing the Wild Thang too…

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:30:13pm

re: #257 freetoken

Sex sells.

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makeitstop  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:30:31pm

You know what’s great? When things get heated around here, I can open up a case, pick up my guitar and play for a while and it calms me down a lot.

I’m gonna go do that. Catch y’all later. Fight nice, as my mom used to say.

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freetoken  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:30:38pm

re: #268 Decatur Deb

Sex sells.

And is sold.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:31:25pm

Another thing, the 2018 midterms will be a referendum on Trump’s Presidency. A woman Democratic Senator replacement for Franken ought be able to mount a strong campaign. So that’s not a great reason to have kept Al in that seat and let his bullshit play out for months in ethics investigation hearings on TV. Again, I have a hard time seeing how this would’ve ended with him repairing his horribly damaged reputation.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:31:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:31:44pm

re: #261 ObserverArt

I’ve been trying to find video of the panel I saw last night that made the comment that Nancy Pelosi didn’t understand younger women in regards to the Al Franken allegations and should have acted quicker.

I sort of have the feeling I need to find it, because my comment didn’t go over too well. I don’t want to make it seem like I made it up or endorsed it.

I’m coming up empty. I is bummed.

Oh no, any bad reactions to your comment weren’t directed to you personally. It was to whoever on the panel made the comment.

Obviously speaking just for myself.

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BlueGrl21  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:31:53pm

re: #258 MsJ

Franken called for a full investigation when this first happened and said he would fully cooperate.

Yes, and I wish we’d have been able to do that. But more accusations came out afterwards. Conyers resigned. We’ve got this shit going on with Moore that is polarizing the whole country at this point. Too many things happened since he called for that investigation.

It’s such a mess. No good options here.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:32:34pm

re: #260 JordanRules

Weinstein and after works.

Too far removed from this case. Weinstein is likely to get his from the Civil (and perhaps Criminal) justice systems.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:32:43pm

re: #171 Stanley Sea

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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:33:40pm

re: #257 freetoken

Just me, and maybe because I’m not a woman I’m not appreciating the problems of a sexualized workplace and gender power-asymmetry, but when I look at what is happening around me I think about the power of salacious scandals to over-draw attention away from other issues that are themselves huge and ought to get more attention.

Consider a story like this:

Nearly 1,000 More People Died in Puerto Rico After Hurricane María

It touches on both 1) the problem that the rest of the US really doesn’t care about PR, 2) the sorrowful state of healthcare outside of the major population areas in the 50 states.

Trump and the Republicans have been down right horrible on these things.

This ought to be an item in American politics.

But instead, all we can talk about is the sad state of deviancy and abuse by some leaders. I’m not saying these too are unimportant, but they’ve crowded out of the mindspace in our news cycle lots of other important things.

There’s always a mass shooting that could be focused on, today it’s New Mexico’s turn.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:34:24pm

re: #271 goddamnedfrank

… I have a hard time seeing how this would’ve ended with him repairing his horribly damaged reputation.

It wouldn’t, but he’s supposed to get the chance. So is Roy Moore, for that matter, and I’d love to see him tried.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:34:31pm

re: #271 goddamnedfrank

Another thing, the 2018 midterms will be a referendum on Trump’s Presidency. A woman Democratic Senator replacement for Franken ought be able to mount a strong campaign. So that’s not a great reason to have kept Al in that seat and let his bullshit play out in ethics investigation hearings on TV. Again, I have a hard time seeing how this would’ve ended with him repairing his horribly damaged reputation.

Ted Kennedy’s actions led to the death of a female staffer. Robert Byrd owned being a former member of the KKK. Both went out as lions of the Senate.

Al Franken was accused of being grabby and not thinking his actions through. He’s now being shuffled out the back door with a female replacement sold to us as a positive thing.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:34:54pm

re: #257 freetoken

I can draw a line from one to the other. Women are discriminated from positions of power and sexual issues is part of that so we get less opportunities and power to make sure we don’t let 1000 more people die in PR.

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allegro  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:36:14pm

re: #252 Decatur Deb

There is a photo of me and a belly dancer in a club in Istanbul. Cracks Mrs. Deb up.

I had a few with some Chippendale dancers… then there was one in a soaked t-shirt with the baby beaver between my legs and some male students… then… um…

Good thing I’m not running for office.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:36:46pm

re: #278 Decatur Deb

So is Roy Moore, for that matter, and I’d love to see him tried.

That’s right where my comment was aiming.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:37:20pm

re: #281 allegro

I had a few with some Chippendale dancers… then there was one in a soaked t-shirt with the baby beaver between my legs and some male students… then… um…

Good thing I’m not running for office.

Sounds like you’d make a good Game Warden.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:38:32pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

There’s that number again. 27 percent of morality addled fucktards are ruining our country.

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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:38:43pm

re: #280 JordanRules

I can draw a line from one to the other. Women are discriminated from positions of power and sexual issues is part of that so we get less opportunities and power to make sure we don’t let 1000 more people die in PR.

Women Will Rule The World

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:39:07pm

re: #275 Decatur Deb

But should he keep his job till it plays out in the name of Due Process?

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BeachDem  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:39:11pm

re: #261 ObserverArt

I’ve been trying to find video of the panel I saw last night that made the comment that Nancy Pelosi didn’t understand younger women in regards to the Al Franken allegations and should have acted quicker.

I sort of have the feeling I need to find it, because my comment didn’t go over too well. I don’t want to make it seem like I made it up or endorsed it.

I’m coming up empty. I is bummed.

I wasn’t going after your comment—I was lamenting the idea that older women seem to be being pushed aside on many fronts.

And with that, this old woman is going to go start baking and shopping for the holiday party for the women clients at the women’s shelter/justice center where I volunteer. Probably of more value today (and every day.)

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austin_blue  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:40:49pm

re: #272 Charles Johnson

Moore to an African American asking when he last thought America was “great”: “I think it was great at the time when families were united. Even though we had slavery, they cared for one another…. Our families were strong, our country had a direction.” latimes.com

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Tom Lehrer’s commentary on the Roy Moore’s of the world (50 years ago!):

Tom Lehrer - I Wanna Go Back To Dixie - LIVE FILM from Copenhagen in 1967

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:41:06pm

re: #286 JordanRules

But she he keep his job till it plays out in the name of Due Process?

Roy Moore? Yeah. He can keep running his phony religious charity until the sleepers awake. It doesn’t help him get promoted to Senator.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:41:09pm

re: #278 Decatur Deb

it wouldn’t, but he’s supposed to get the chance. So is Roy Moore, for that matter, and I’d love to see him tried.

He got the chance. Nobody made this decision for him, they just made their preference known and he chose not to drag the Party down with him.

re: #279 Targetpractice

Ted Kennedy’s actions led to the death of a female staffer. Robert Byrd owned being a former member of the KKK. Both went out as lions of the Senate.

Times change. I’m okay with us not giving powerful dudes those kinds of second chances in the future.

Al Franken was accused of being grabby and not thinking his actions through. He’s now being shuffled out the back door with a female replacement sold to us as a positive thing.

It probably is a positive thing. I’m fine with him being replaced by a woman and that she’ll have a year to define herself on her own terms before facing voters in an election that should have Republicans on the defensive.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:41:35pm
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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:42:04pm

re: #289 Decatur Deb

No sorry, Weinstein (and everyone else)?

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Renaissance_Man  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:42:55pm

re: #279 Targetpractice

Ted Kennedy’s actions led to the death of a female staffer. Robert Byrd owned being a former member of the KKK. Both went out as lions of the Senate.

Al Franken was accused of being grabby and not thinking his actions through. He’s now being shuffled out the back door with a female replacement sold to us as a positive thing.

This is an excellent take.

I think it’s unfair to accuse some here of gloating that Franken has resigned. I doubt anyone here hated Franken particularly and was happy this happened. Nor do I fault anyone for being personally offended enough by the accusations to want him out on moral grounds. The accusations are serious and credible.

I do still think that immediate calls for resignation at the first photo and accusation were way too premature and unfair. The fact that he ultimately did resign does not make those calls any more correct. And I still think that having him resign to ‘claim the moral high ground’, avoid Republican attacks, or to try to influence swing voters is futile and self-defeating, as it will do none of those things.

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darthstar  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:43:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:43:58pm

climate change is a hoax…

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allegro  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:44:33pm

re: #283 Decatur Deb

Sounds like you’d make a good Game Warden.

I do have a doctorate in wildlife. :)

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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:45:13pm

OK, who’s got the Franks and Franken jokes?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:45:15pm

re: #290 goddamnedfrank

He got the chance. Nobody made this decision for him, they just made their preference known and he chose not to drag the Party down with him.

Times change. I’m okay with us not giving powerful dudes those kinds of second chances in the future.

It probably is a positive thing. I’m fine with him being replaced by a woman and that she’ll have a year to define herself on her own terms before facing voters in an election that should have Republicans on the defensive.

After the gangbang, he could only have done more harm to progressive politics by staying to defend himself. My Dems turned chickenshit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:46:38pm

re: #297 wrenchwench

OK, who’s got the Franks and Franken jokes?

needs mohr beans….

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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:47:17pm

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

needs mohr beans….

Y uno Habanero.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:47:22pm
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:47:29pm

Franken saw the writing on the wall and quit the same way someone chooses to plead guilty instead of going to a jury trial. In both cases due process is satisfied and nobody is forced to skip the formalities. Nobody forced him to do this so let’s please stop pretending that this is some miscarriage of justice. He simply recognized he was in an untenable position and took the short way out of it.

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:47:53pm

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

and she was on Hannity’s show hawking the fact that she signed a contract for a book about all of this the very next day after making the accusations.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:48:12pm

re: #292 JordanRules

No sorry, Weinstein (and everyone else)?

Weinstein is a bit different, because corporate/stockholder interests prevail. Ideally he should have been rendered harmless, but kept from harm himself until the situation resolved.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:48:31pm

re: #298 Decatur Deb

After the gangbang, he could only have done more harm to progressive politics by staying to defend himself. My Dems turned chickenshit.

Given the nature of the impropriety that’s a pretty unfortunate analogy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:48:33pm

re: #234 goddamnedfrank

I basically come down to something like this, that we weren’t going to game our way out of this shit sandwich that Franken created with, at best, his incredibly poor judgement. I don’t see how simply prolonging the spectacle out of some idealistic adherence to the principle of due process would’ve ended with Democrats being in a stronger position.

Not weighing in on Franken here, because I really don’t know what to think about that.

I will jump on “Idealistic adherence to due process” (you know, one of the cornerstones of our judicial system).

Murderers, arsonists, kidnappers all get due process.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:49:03pm

re: #302 goddamnedfrank

Franken saw the writing on the wall and quit the same way someone chooses to plead guilty instead of going to a jury trial. In both cases due process is satisfied and nobody is forced to skip the formalities. Nobody forced him to do this so let’s please stop pretending that this is some miscarriage of justice. He simply recognized he was in an untenable position and took the short way out of it.

If the judge lets you know upfront that he’s going to find your ass guilty regardless of what the jury says, has there really been a fair trial?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:50:18pm

re: #302 goddamnedfrank

Franken saw the writing on the wall and quit the same way someone chooses to plead guilty instead of going to a jury trial. In both cases due process is satisfied and nobody is forced to skip the formalities. Nobody forced him to do this so let’s please stop pretending that this is some miscarriage of justice. He simply recognized he was in an untenable position and took the short way out of it.

Alabama prisons notoriously hold innocent people who took that sort of due process.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:50:25pm

re: #306 Anymouse 🌹

Not weighing in on Franken here, because I really don’t know what to think about that.

I will jump on “Idealistic adherence to due process” (you know, one of the cornerstones of our judicial system).

Murderers, arsonists, kidnappers all get due process.

And yes, even rapists have a right to due process under our laws.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:51:24pm

re: #306 Anymouse 🌹

Not weighing in on Franken here, because I really don’t know what to think about that.

I will jump on “Idealistic adherence to due process” (you know, one of the cornerstones of our judicial system).

Murderers, arsonists, kidnappers all get due process.

Yes, and when they give up and plea instead of choosing a jury trial nobody says they didn’t get due process. We really need to stop pretending that Franken was robbed of his agency in all this, especially because agency and consent are at the heart of the accusations against him. It’s DARVO by proxy.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:52:10pm

re: #305 goddamnedfrank

Given the nature of the impropriety that’s a pretty unfortunate carefully considered analogy.

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austin_blue  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:52:17pm

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

climate change is a hoax…

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It was 82º here on Monday. Yesterday we hovered around forty. Normal Texas weather this time of year.

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:53:10pm

re: #269 makeitstop

You know what’s great? When things get heated around here, I can open up a case, pick up my guitar and play for a while and it calms me down a lot.

I’m gonna go do that. Catch y’all later. Fight nice, as my mom used to say.

And I’ve got drums!

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:54:47pm

re: #311 Decatur Deb

You’re saying that 16 female Democratic Senators fucked Franken. It’s not carefully considered, it’s tone deaf and horrible. They didn’t owe him a damned thing, least of all their silence.

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MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:55:09pm

re: #247 makeitstop

I’m not ready to give in to the gloom. But I know those pig-fuckers are out there.

It’s hard not to when we play be completely different rules. The deck is stacked against us and we do nothing but give in.

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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:55:44pm

re: #313 ObserverArt

And I’ve got drums!

I have two things hanging in my workstand. If I don’t mix them up, I’ll end up with two bicycles.

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dangerman  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:55:46pm

re: #306 Anymouse 🌹

Not weighing in on Franken here, because I really don’t know what to think about that.

I will jump on “Idealistic adherence to due process” (you know, one of the cornerstones of our judicial system).

Murderers, arsonists, kidnappers all get due process.

Senate due process is not individual citizenry constitutional due process

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:55:51pm

re: #314 goddamnedfrank

You’re saying that 16 female Democratic Senators fucked Franken. It’s not carefully considered, it’s tone deaf and horrible. They didn’t owe him a damned thing, least of all their silence.

More than 16, not all female.

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Renaissance_Man  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:57:03pm

re: #307 Targetpractice

If the judge lets you know upfront that he’s going to find your ass guilty regardless of what the jury says, has there really been a fair trial?

This process didn’t take place in a court of law, though, and the standards are different. The analogy doesn’t hold.

The media, both mainstream and cult, had already decided the narrative and the conclusion. It simply remained to keep pounding at the issue while ignoring the obvious counterpoints of Roy Moore and the president himself. Democrats obliged the narrative as they are essentially forced to do, answering question after question until they finally agree that he should resign, hoping that this will curtail the narrative and move the issue out of the news.

Of course, it never was going to, because both forms of media have a ready response and a new narrative as soon as that happens. See ‘Democrats cynically attempt to claim moral high ground: will it work?’ for one example. Nor will a resignation prevent the media from bringing him up as a shield to defend any attacks against Roy Moore - just add a few words and he doesn’t have to be a sitting Senator.

Nothing will change until the narrative is taken away from the American media.

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:57:08pm

re: #279 Targetpractice

Ted Kennedy’s actions led to the death of a female staffer. Robert Byrd owned being a former member of the KKK. Both went out as lions of the Senate.

Al Franken was accused of being grabby and not thinking his actions through. He’s now being shuffled out the back door with a female replacement sold to us as a positive thing.

I think that is a bad argument. And I was around and remember all that too.

I even remember the Volkswagen Beetle ad in National Lampoon!

I do believe there are changes over time. That was too long ago and it would be wrong to think a lot of people were not upset and made a big thing over Kennedy. Same with Byrd.

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MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:57:33pm

re: #267 Joe Bacon 🌹

So Franks is caught doing the Wild Thang too…

Live boy or dead girl?

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makeitstop  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:58:58pm

re: #294 darthstar

Asked if @POTUS has dementia or just loose dentures, @PressSec basically said, “The President most certainly does not wear dentures!” Glad we cleared that up.

Okay. Dementia it is, then.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 2:59:44pm

re: #317 dangerman

Senate due process is not individual citizenry constitutional due process

True. Everything in the Senate is political and run by its rules.

The plumber just left with $180 … he will be back another day to complete the work (and take another $400 or so). The second trip doesn’t incur a charge to come all the way from Scottsbluff though.

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MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:01:20pm

re: #274 BlueGrl21

Yes, and I wish we’d have been able to do that. But more accusations came out afterwards. Conyers resigned. We’ve got this shit going on with Moore that is polarizing the whole country at this point. Too many things happened since he called for that investigation.

It’s such a mess. No good options here.

The latter accusations were mostly anonymous.

I have a hard time with anonymous accusers. I’m not saying it didn’t happen but if you can’t put your name to it, it didn’t happen. Not now. Not in the current environment. No name could be rat fuckers (likely is), and when you throw in that Roger fucking Stone had advance notice, that makes them Rat Fuckers, with a capital Fuck All of us.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:02:18pm

re: #323 Anymouse 🌹

True. Everything in the Senate is political and run by its rules.

The plumber just left with $180 … he will be back another day to complete the work (and take another $400 or so). The second trip doesn’t incur a charge to come all the way from Scottsbluff though.

Just had the electricians install 25K lumens of LED lighting in the garage, ending the vampire infestation once and for all.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:02:36pm

re: #298 Decatur Deb

After the gangbang, he could only have done more harm to progressive politics by staying to defend himself. My Dems turned chickenshit.

When you decide to take a principled stand, and say that someone with multiple credible accusations is probably guilty, and we should believe women, this will happen.

Honestly, this is why I thought that we needed to let the whole ‘Me Too’ thing play out, and stop reacting to all but the most egregious and well founded accusations. A lot of shit will come out. A lot of us guys have probably crossed a line here or there sometime in the past, because the lines are not defined by a single standard, but rather, now, by the experience of the recipient.

Honestly, I could see Franken’s downfall dealing a deathblow to the ‘Me Too’ movement. The firs accuser, Tweeden is already saying she didn’t want this to happen. Once accusations start becoming weaponized, women might stop coming forward not because they’re afraid nobody will act, but because they don’t want to take down someone who they think was just being insensitive or excessively familiar.

Talking about this, we’re rolling everything of all degrees into one big ball. I mean, yesterday one of the accusations was that while taking a photo, Franken grabbed a woman’s waist. Okay, perhaps too familiar, but that’s not the same thing as grabbing her ass.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:05:07pm

re: #318 Decatur Deb

More than 16, not all female.

and not all Democrats

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makeitstop  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:05:10pm

re: #313 ObserverArt

And I’ve got drums!

Too bad we’re a few states away from each other.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:07:12pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:07:50pm

re: #326 Blind Frog Belly White

When you decide to take a principled stand, and say that someone with multiple credible accusations is probably guilty, and we should believe women, this will happen.

Honestly, this is why I thought that we needed to let the whole ‘Me Too’ thing play out, and stop reacting to all but the most egregious and well founded accusations. A lot of shit will come out. A lot of us guys have probably crossed a line here or there sometime in the past, because the lines are not defined by a single standard, but rather, now, by the experience of the recipient.

Honestly, I could see Franken’s downfall dealing a deathblow to the ‘Me Too’ movement. The firs accuser, Tweeden is already saying she didn’t want this to happen. Once accusations start becoming weaponized, women might stop coming forward not because they’re afraid nobody will act, but because they don’t want to take down someone who they think was just being insensitive or excessively familiar.

Talking about this, we’re rolling everything of all degrees into one big ball. I mean, yesterday one of the accusations was that while taking a photo, Franken grabbed a woman’s waist. Okay, perhaps too familiar, but that’s not the same thing as grabbing her ass.

Did you hear Senator Gillibrand’s comments yesterday?

She basically said everyone needs to cut out the ‘degrees’ talk and just get down to this is not acceptable behavior.

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austin_blue  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:08:50pm

re: #320 ObserverArt

I think that is a bad argument. And I was around and remember all that too.

I even remember the Volkswagen Beetle ad in National Lampoon!

I do believe there are changes over time. That was too long ago and it would be wrong to think a lot of people were not upset and made a big thing over Kennedy. Same with Byrd.

For the young ‘guns here:

Image: vw.jpg

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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:09:30pm

re: #328 makeitstop

Too bad we’re a few states away from each other.

This is where the bicycle comes in. And a trailer, which I do not have.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:09:37pm

Mike Cernovich is claiming a victory for hoodwinking the media over his false narrative on Sam Seder supporting raping children (re: Roman Polanski).

Wonkette accused Mike Cernovich of playing 11-dimensional Candyland.

wonkette.com

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:10:00pm

re: #320 ObserverArt

I think that is a bad argument. And I was around and remember all that too.

I even remember the Volkswagen Beetle ad in National Lampoon!

I do believe there are changes over time. That was too long ago and it would be wrong to think a lot of people were not upset and made a big thing over Kennedy. Same with Byrd.

Can’t get past this.
Still got the butt grabber heading out the door whilst the marital rapist and freelance pussy grabber is being paid and expensed on our collective dime, all while ruining our brand.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:10:06pm

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

Does anyone have the slightest clue what this is all about?
I mean, given this is Trent Franks, by the speed and lack of info by which this is happening, I can only deduce he may have picked up young girls at an abortion clinic he personally ran under an assumed name…

No, but really. Anyone know what’s going on?

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MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:10:26pm

re: #302 goddamnedfrank

Franken saw the writing on the wall and quit the same way someone chooses to plead guilty instead of going to a jury trial. In both cases due process is satisfied and nobody is forced to skip the formalities. Nobody forced him to do this so let’s please stop pretending that this is some miscarriage of justice. He simply recognized he was in an untenable position and took the short way out of it.

Or he did it out of a sense of respect for the party he represents. As to not damage them.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:10:51pm

re: #330 ObserverArt

Did you hear Senator Gillibrand’s comments yesterday?

She basically said everyone needs to cut out the ‘degrees’ talk and just get down to this is not acceptable behavior.

Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Sister Mary Claver thought all sexual sins were mortal, but she was wrapped a little tight.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:11:42pm

re: #330 ObserverArt

Did you hear Senator Gillibrand’s comments yesterday?

She basically said everyone needs to cut out the ‘degrees’ talk and just get down to this is not acceptable behavior.

She’s wrong, because there’s “Hey, you know that time you put your arm around me? That wasn’t cool,” and there’s “Hey, you remember that time you told me I had to blow you to get promoted? That was criminal.” and these are NOT THE SAME THING!!!

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:12:04pm

re: #335 FormerDirtDart

Does anyone have the slightest clue what this is all about?
I mean, given this is Trent Franks, by the speed and lack of info by which this is happening, I can only deduce he may have picked up young girls at an abortion clinic he personally ran under an assumed name…

No, but really. Anyone know what’s going on?

My best guess is that the congressional harassment settlements are about to leak and he’s got a doozy on the books.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:13:15pm

re: #326 Blind Frog Belly White

When you decide to take a principled stand, and say that someone with multiple credible accusations is probably guilty, and we should believe women, this will happen.

Honestly, this is why I thought that we needed to let the whole ‘Me Too’ thing play out, and stop reacting to all but the most egregious and well founded accusations. A lot of shit will come out. A lot of us guys have probably crossed a line here or there sometime in the past, because the lines are not defined by a single standard, but rather, now, by the experience of the recipient.

Honestly, I could see Franken’s downfall dealing a deathblow to the ‘Me Too’ movement. The firs accuser, Tweeden is already saying she didn’t want this to happen. Once accusations start becoming weaponized, women might stop coming forward not because they’re afraid nobody will act, but because they don’t want to take down someone who they think was just being insensitive or excessively familiar.

Talking about this, we’re rolling everything of all degrees into one big ball. I mean, yesterday one of the accusations was that while taking a photo, Franken grabbed a woman’s waist. Okay, perhaps too familiar, but that’s not the same thing as grabbing her ass.

That’s something I feared since the beginning of the whole Lord of the Flies routine began with Weinstein. Both sides are working to weaponize #MeToo and both sides are making a bid for being seen as the “champions” of women in the fight against sexual harassment. Franken will now join Clinton and Weinstein in the lexicon of “Democrat Men Whose Very Existence Proves Democrats Are Sexual Predators!”

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:14:16pm

re: #337 Decatur Deb

Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Sister Mary Claver thought all sexual sins were mortal, but she was wrapped a little tight.

At this point I am so confused by all this I don’t know what is up or down.

Adding in my own life…well, confused doesn’t begin to explain how I feel.

And yes, the nuns had a big part in all of it. I think they wrapped me a little tight too…thus the confusion.

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:16:26pm

re: #338 Blind Frog Belly White

She’s wrong, because there’s “Hey, you know that time you put your arm around me? That wasn’t cool,” and there’s “Hey, you remember that time you told me I had to blow you to get promoted? That was criminal.” and these are NOT THE SAME THING!!!

This time I have video!

Senator Kirsten Gillibrand On Senator Al Franken: ‘Enough Is Enough’ | NBC News

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:16:43pm

Ouch

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:17:01pm

re: #338 Blind Frog Belly White

She’s wrong, because there’s “Hey, you know that time you put your arm around me? That wasn’t cool,” and there’s “Hey, you remember that time you told me I had to blow you to get promoted? That was criminal.” and these are NOT THE SAME THING!!!

They’re not the same thing, but that doesn’t mean that a political career ending pattern of unacceptable behavior can’t be deduced from multiple unacceptable incidents. We shouldn’t minimize problematic behavior and hypocrisy by only comparing it to rank criminality when our goal as a Party is to champion and exemplify principles of equality.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:17:52pm

re: #343 FormerDirtDart

Ouch

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That’s some quality shade.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:18:07pm

re: #343 FormerDirtDart

Oh shit!!

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wrenchwench  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:18:32pm

re: #337 Decatur Deb

Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Sister Mary Claver thought all sexual sins were mortal, but she was wrapped a little tight.

Hey, Deb! You have a website! And a campaign!

Ooops, there’s more than one Deb.

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:19:17pm

re: #343 FormerDirtDart

Ouch

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You could hear that slap all the way from Dunkirk.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:19:44pm

re: #343 FormerDirtDart

Ouch

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If I go to Lorraine to visit my father’s grave, I’ll be sure to apologize.

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petesh  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:19:51pm

re: #193 ObserverArt

So freaking what?

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:21:27pm

re: #344 goddamnedfrank

They’re not the same thing, but that doesn’t mean that a political career ending pattern of unacceptable behavior can’t be deduced from multiple unacceptable incidents. We shouldn’t minimize problematic behavior and hypocrisy by only comparing it to rank criminality when our goal as a Party is to champion and exemplify principles of equality.

Making this about me, I don’t get the whole idea of going around and doing things like grabbing women, or giving “shoulder rubs,” or any other sort of thing. It’s not something that would even occur to me to do to anyone (man or woman) unless they asked me to first.

Driving to Scottsbluff yesterday, my wife and I discussed the MeToo thing going on now, and she notes that as far as she can remember, I’m the only man who didn’t do those sorts of things to her (and still don’t).

Did I come from another planet?

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:21:36pm
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FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:23:16pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:23:21pm

re: #352 FormerDirtDart

Newt Gingrich redux.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:23:36pm

re: #351 Anymouse 🌹

Making this about me, I don’t get the whole idea of going around and doing things like grabbing women, or giving “shoulder rubs,” or any other sort of thing. It’s not something that would even occur to me to do to anyone (man or woman) unless they asked me to first.

Driving to Scottsbluff yesterday, my wife and I discussed the MeToo thing going on now, and she notes that as far as she can remember, I’m the only man who didn’t do those sorts of things to her (and still don’t).

Did I come from another planet?

She only said that because she never met me.

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petesh  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:24:01pm

re: #290 goddamnedfrank

… I’m fine with him being replaced by a woman and that she’ll have a year to define herself on her own terms before facing voters in an election that should have Republicans on the defensive.

All reports are that if appointed she will commit to NOT running in 2018.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:24:19pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:25:10pm

re: #352 FormerDirtDart

Yeesh.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:25:32pm

re: #355 Blind Frog Belly White

She only said that because she never met me.

I don’t recall having been to Roswell … did you come from there? /s

She had the huge disadvantage of being in college when she was sixteen, and in the software industry when women were scarcer than winning lotto tickets.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:26:27pm

re: #354 Anymouse 🌹

Newt Gingrich redux.

Wasn’t there recent talk of him considering a run for the Senate?
Probably gonna be a problem for him that if you’re trying to dig up dirt on him all you have to do is read his own damn book

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:27:19pm

re: #357 JordanRules

Same false conservative narrative. The Jewish baker doesn’t make “swastika cakes” for anyone. That baker is not discriminating.

On the case of the Colorado bakery, they were refused service because they were gay, not because they were buying a wedding cake (they were already married).

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makeitstop  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:27:45pm

re: #335 FormerDirtDart

Does anyone have the slightest clue what this is all about?
I mean, given this is Trent Franks, by the speed and lack of info by which this is happening, I can only deduce he may have picked up young girls at an abortion clinic he personally ran under an assumed name…

No, but really. Anyone know what’s going on?

JordanRules posted this tweet upthread. I’m taking it as somewhat of a hint.

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MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:27:48pm

re: #360 FormerDirtDart

Wasn’t there recent talk of him considering a run for the Senate?
Probably gonna be a problem for him that if you’re trying to dig up dirt on him all you have to do is read his own damn book

He’s a Republican. Does it matter? Character doesn’t. What does?

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:27:50pm

re: #357 JordanRules

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:28:12pm

Heh, gonna be entertaining watching these clowns try to pass something right before the Christmas exodus.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:28:21pm

re: #344 goddamnedfrank

They’re not the same thing, but that doesn’t mean that a political career ending pattern of unacceptable behavior can’t be deduced from multiple unacceptable incidents. We shouldn’t minimize problematic behavior and hypocrisy by only comparing it to rank criminality when our goal as a Party is to champion and exemplify principles of equality.

It is the Tuesday race that led to the calls for Franken to resign. If there had been no race, there would have been no such calls. Actually, without the accusations against Moore, it is doubtful that there would have been any revelations about Franken’s juvenile antics. In their typical dishonest way, the R’s have been equating Franken with Moore and telling their voters that Dems who misbehave stay in office. Now they can no longer make those assertions. Perhaps that will be enough to tip the balance in Alabama. (ok —being unrealistic here, but stranger things have happened).

Let’s see how this plays out before we continue to wail about this unfortunate turn of events.

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William Lewis  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:28:40pm

re: #356 petesh

All reports are that if appointed she will commit to NOT running in 2018.

I thought that was required in Mn?

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MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:29:14pm

re: #362 makeitstop

JordanRules posted this tweet upthread. I’m taking it as somewhat of a hint.

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I was thinking that, too. That or live boy or dead girl.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:29:31pm

re: #365 FormerDirtDart

2 weeks? Oh Lord.

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MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:30:59pm

re: #369 JordanRules

2 weeks? Oh Lord.

Talk about no way to govern.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:31:27pm

Wow.
Someone just got kicked in the gnads

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Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:32:12pm

re: #365 FormerDirtDart

Heh, gonna be entertaining watching these clowns try to pass something right before the Christmas exodus.

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That’s why they agreed to two weeks, because they somehow magically expect to hammer together a final “tax reform” bill in the next two weeks.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:32:13pm

re: #361 Anymouse 🌹

Same false conservative narrative. The Jewish baker doesn’t make “swastika cakes” for anyone. That baker is not discriminating.

On the case of the Colorado bakery, they were refused service because they were gay, not because they were buying a wedding cake (they were already married).

So, the next time some Conservative says that, point out that for the analogy to work, the Jewish baker must normally sell swastika cakes, but refuse to sell them to Nazis.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:32:24pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:37:32pm

re: #331 austin_blue

For the young ‘guns here:

Image: vw.jpg

I recall that Natlamp had to issue a rare retraction and apology because a number of people thought the ad was real and contacted VW to either castigate or praise them for it. They probably became Fox News viewers in later years.

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ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:40:44pm

re: #350 petesh

So freaking what?

You don’t find Leeann being upset about a picture of Franken from 2006 suddenly is a problem in light of Roy Moore 11 years later…but it is just fine for her to be teasing a guy that is looking at her nude pictures in Playboy?

And he wasn’t touching her breasts. It was a photo of him being stupid and sophomoric as he was as a comedian. In Playboy there are actual photos of her breasts and more. And she doesn’t appear to be upset about the guy in the photo checking it all out.

How outraged was she about Franken when nothing was said about it all for 11 freaking years. That apparently doesn’t trouble anyone.

Look I admit to being confused. And that image adds to my confusion. I was looking to see if anyone could add some perspective so I can understand all this better.

You haven’t.

I knew I shouldn’t have made that post. No one wants to discuss, they want to throw bombs.

So the fuck what. Indeed. Well fuck me then.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:42:00pm

Ouch, the plumber just called … the remainder of the work required will be about $600.

Maybe I should start a GoFundMe for my plumbing. /s

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:42:56pm

I just saw something on FB, on George Takei’s feed, about Daylight Savings Time, where it says “Daylight Savings Time is the practice of setting our clocks back in the fall, and forward in the Spring.”

NO IT’S FUCKING NOT!!!! It’s just the opposite! Jeezly H Crow, it’s like people don’t even understand the simplest shit anymore!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:44:48pm

re: #376 ObserverArt

You don’t find Leeann being upset about a picture of Franken from 2006 suddenly is a problem in light of Roy Moore 11 years later…but it is just fine for her to be teasing a guy that is looking at her nude pictures in Playboy?

And he wasn’t touching her breasts. It was a photo of him being stupid and sophomoric as he was as a comedian. In Playboy there are actual photos of her breasts and more. And she doesn’t appear to be upset about the guy in the photo checking it all out.

How outraged was she about Franken when nothing was said about it all for 11 freaking years. That apparently doesn’t trouble anyone.

Look I admit to being confused. And that image adds to my confusion. I was looking to see if anyone could add some perspective so I can understand all this better.

You haven’t.

I knew I shouldn’t have made that post. No one wants to discuss, they want to throw bombs.

So the fuck what. Indeed. Well fuck me then.

You know what? Tweeden was right to be upset and complain about the picture. Nothing she does or could do would justify that behavior, except possibly saying, “Hey Al! Let’s take a picture where you look like you’re honking my boobs through a flak jacket!”

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:44:54pm

re: #362 makeitstop

Live Boy is an early favorite.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:45:27pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:45:48pm

re: #286 JordanRules

But should he keep his job till it plays out in the name of Due Process?

I don’t think Due Process means what everybody here thinks it means. See the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:45:48pm

re: #352 FormerDirtDart

That’s some quality passive voice bullshit. “She became pregnant.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:45:48pm

re: #380 Ace-o-aces

Dead girl + live boy threesome.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:46:05pm

re: #376 ObserverArt

The whole Franken thing is a Roger Stone Ratfuck.

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JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:47:30pm

re: #382 Skip Intro

Yeah, indeed. I was running with the loose definition it’s taken on I guess.

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Weaselone  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:48:01pm

re: #357 JordanRules

Why is this issue so difficult?

Does your company sell wedding cakes? Yes. Then you have to sell them to gay people.

Do you have to write an endorsement of gay marriage, Nazi’s, veganism or seal clubbing on the cake? No.

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ThomasLite  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:49:36pm

re: #376 ObserverArt

I don’t think we shoud go there. What she decides to expose to others or to camera has no bearing on her right not to get an unwanted kiss, ‘french’ or otherwise.
That’s kind of one of the ground rules for consent people seem to have so much trouble getting through their skulls.

IMO it could be argued posing in playboy makes at least some level of comment on her physical appearance (including sexually tinted) fair game - at least to some extent.
but it reaaally shouldn’t influence your opinion on her objection to unwanted physical contact…

389
Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:50:11pm

re: #385 Joe Bacon 🌹

The whole Franken thing is a Roger Stone Ratfuck.

That’s likely enough that I would have liked to see it examined.

390
Skip Intro  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:50:15pm

re: #343 FormerDirtDart

You know why we didn’t? Yeah, it was the Republicans again.

It’s history. You could look it up.

391
JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:50:43pm
392
allegro  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:50:56pm

re: #379 Blind Frog Belly White

You know what? Tweeden was right to be upset and complain about the picture. Nothing she does or could do would justify that behavior, except possibly saying, “Hey Al! Let’s take a picture where you look like you’re honking my boobs through a flak jacket!”

That pic did look to be staged with her participation to me. But we won’t know, will we, since no hearings are taking place.

393
ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:50:59pm

re: #379 Blind Frog Belly White

You know what? Tweeden was right to be upset and complain about the picture. Nothing she does or could do would justify that behavior, except possibly saying, “Hey Al! Let’s take a picture where you look like you’re honking my boobs through a flak jacket!”

And 11 years later has nothing to do with it?

I can understand her being upset. I think it would have been better for her to be upset, say after she first saw the image. And then she should have raised holy hell.

But it existed for 11 years and now it is a thing. She must have been in a very slow build to being outraged by Franken.

And as two women here have said…Roger Stone knew it was coming and she signed a book deal.

You all okay with that.

I am not. And that has nothing to do with good or bad as much as timing for it to be used.

That’s it on the photo from me. I’m done for the evening.

394
MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:51:57pm

re: #379 Blind Frog Belly White

You know what? Tweeden was right to be upset and complain about the picture. Nothing she does or could do would justify that behavior, except possibly saying, “Hey Al! Let’s take a picture where you look like you’re honking my boobs through a flak jacket!”

And she accepted his apology. But that wasn’t good enough. Then a bunch of anonymous people “came forward” and someone who’s waist he supposedly ickyily touched.

The sophomoric picture doomed him. A comedian with bad taste (he wasn’t elected when this picture was taken.) I’m shocked.

Look at his record on women’s rights. This is a loss for all women.

He called for an investigation. He said he’d fully cooperate. But fuck it. Who needs that?

Dems play by different rules. And America is worse off for it.

395
ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:52:09pm

re: #393 ObserverArt

And 11 years later has nothing to do with it?

I can understand her being upset. I think it would have been better for her to be upset, say after she first saw the image. And then she should have raised holy hell.

But it existed for 11 years and now it is a thing. She must have been in a very slow build to being outraged by Franken.

And as two women here have said…Roger Stone knew it was coming and she signed a book deal.

You all okay with that.

I am not. And that has nothing to do with good or bad as much as timing for it to be used.

That’s it on the photo from me. I’m done for the evening.

Edit to add. You also seem to believe he was actually touching her, correct?

396
Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:52:22pm

Last election the notation by Democrats was “it’s about the courts.”

This time around it had better be “it’s about the Census.” The GOP is putting up for a director a person who has no experience in government or mathematics. They are also working to underfund the Census Bureau.

If the Dems don’t turn out a pile of voters in 2018, we will see a permanent gerrymander imposed everywhere the GOP can.

397
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:52:31pm

re: #385 Joe Bacon 🌹

The whole Franken thing is a Roger Stone Ratfuck.

Perhaps. But without actual proof, acting on that assumption is like wingnuts invoking George Soros.

398
Skip Intro  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:53:05pm

re: #365 FormerDirtDart

Heh, gonna be entertaining watching these clowns try to pass something right before the Christmas exodus.

Trump wants a government shutdown so he can blame the Dems. He thinks it will be great for him personally.

So maybe he won’t sign it.

399
ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:53:56pm

re: #385 Joe Bacon 🌹

The whole Franken thing is a Roger Stone Ratfuck.

It doesn’t appear too many men here buy that.

400
Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:54:10pm

re: #388 ThomasLite

I don’t think we shoud go there. What she decides to expose to others or to camera has no bearing on her right not to get an unwanted kiss, ‘french’ or otherwise.
That’s kind of one of the ground rules for consent people seem to have so much trouble getting through their skulls.

IMO it could be argued posing in playboy makes at least some level of comment on her physical appearance (including sexually tinted) fair game - at least to some extent.
but it reaaally shouldn’t influence your opinion on her objection to unwanted physical contact…

Moreover, a woman posing for a pictoral in Playboy is a perfectly legal activity. So is buying the magazine. It is not an invitation for battery.

401
Weaselone  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:54:16pm

re: #396 Anymouse 🌹

It’s going to be interesting when the population of rural counties increase by a full order of magnitude.

402
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:54:20pm

re: #392 allegro

That pic did look to be staged with her participation to me. But we won’t know, will we, since no hearings are taking place.

She said it wasn’t, and Al said it wasn’t. That’s the one thing he completely confessed to.

403
JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:54:43pm
404
FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:55:38pm

re: #391 JordanRules

Rep Trent Franks resign effective Jan 31. Admits asking female staff to be surrogate moms for his children

I’m gonna go ahead and assume his proposal involved implantation take place the “old fashion” way.

405
MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:56:22pm

re: #381 JordanRules

Man, that thread. A “best of” crazy shit from this guy.

406
Weaselone  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:56:37pm

re: #402 Blind Frog Belly White

She said it wasn’t, and Al said it wasn’t. That’s the one thing he completely confessed to.

Actually, I don’t recall Franken speaking one way or the other to as whether the photo was staged. He just admitted that it was inappropriate, which it was regardless of whether it was staged or not.

407
ThomasLite  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:56:40pm

re: #393 ObserverArt

even if it’s a ratfuck I’m not really sure how that makes unwanted slobbering any less unacceptable.
One side being an #$h@!e doesn’t make the other a saint, IME.

And sorry if it feels like a pile-on, not my intent.

408
Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:57:06pm

re: #404 FormerDirtDart

I’m gonna go ahead and assume his proposal involved implantation take place the “old fashion” way.

That was my thought as well. “My wife and I want a kid, so we were wondering if you’d consent to me putting one in you.”

409
Skip Intro  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:57:11pm

re: #385 Joe Bacon 🌹

The whole Franken thing is a Roger Stone Ratfuck.

I don’t think so. Franken just got caught outside when the winds changed.

If the Harvey Weinstein scandal hadn’t come up no one would have given the time of day to that picture of Franken appearing to grope whats-her-name.

410
JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:57:21pm

re: #405 MsJ

Yeah. He’s a nutbag!

411
FormerDirtDart  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:57:54pm

re: #403 JordanRules

412
Targetpractice  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:58:09pm

re: #409 Skip Intro

I don’t think so. Franken just got caught outside when the winds changed.

If the Harvey Weinstein scandal hadn’t come up no one would have given the time of day to that picture of Franken appearing to grope whats-her-name.

I’d say if the Moore scandal hadn’t gone public, then there would not have been as much pressure to force Franken to “take one for the team.”

413
Anymouse 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:58:24pm

re: #401 Weaselone

It’s going to be interesting when the population of rural counties increase by a full order of magnitude.

Well, we still have net migration out of our area. The population is dropping.

I’m all for a bunch of liberals moving here.

414
MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:58:43pm

re: #391 JordanRules

There’s more. There has to be big payouts because of it. Or something more. Creepy, for sure. But enough to resign? As a Republican? Nope. There’s more.

415
JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:59:03pm

re: #414 MsJ

Gotta be!

416
ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 3:59:14pm

re: #388 ThomasLite

I don’t think we shoud go there. What she decides to expose to others or to camera has no bearing on her right not to get an unwanted kiss, ‘french’ or otherwise.
That’s kind of one of the ground rules for consent people seem to have so much trouble getting through their skulls.

IMO it could be argued posing in playboy makes at least some level of comment on her physical appearance (including sexually tinted) fair game - at least to some extent.
but it reaaally shouldn’t influence your opinion on her objection to unwanted physical contact…

Again…the photo is not the point. Can I make it any clearer???

The timing is the point.

Yeah…I’m leaving. Why did I even enter into this??? I’ve never taken advantage of anyone, all I am is confused.

417
7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:00:23pm

re: #335 FormerDirtDart

Does anyone have the slightest clue what this is all about?
I mean, given this is Trent Franks, by the speed and lack of info by which this is happening, I can only deduce he may have picked up young girls at an abortion clinic he personally ran under an assumed name…

No, but really. Anyone know what’s going on?

I bet there is video.

418
allegro  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:00:52pm

re: #402 Blind Frog Belly White

She said it wasn’t, and Al said it wasn’t. That’s the one thing he completely confessed to.

Ah. I wasn’t aware of that. It just looked so odd that she was in combat gear when no one else was.

419
Skip Intro  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:01:10pm

re: #412 Targetpractice

Possibly, but I think the floodgates opening up after the Weinstein scandals became public had more to do with it.

420
Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:01:31pm

re: #408 Targetpractice

That was my thought as well. “My wife and I want a kid, so we were wondering if you’d consent to me putting one in you.”

cc ASTONISHINGLY GOOD IDEA - Dr. Strangelove

421
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:02:19pm

re: #393 ObserverArt

And 11 years later has nothing to do with it?

I can understand her being upset. I think it would have been better for her to be upset, say after she first saw the image. And then she should have raised holy hell.

But it existed for 11 years and now it is a thing. She must have been in a very slow build to being outraged by Franken.

And as two women here have said…Roger Stone knew it was coming and she signed a book deal.

You all okay with that.

I am not. And that has nothing to do with good or bad as much as timing for it to be used.

That’s it on the photo from me. I’m done for the evening.

We don’t get to accept the word of Leigh Corfman even though it happened 40 years ago but not accept another woman’s word because it happened 11 years ago.

And what makes you think we’re okay with it? I for one am really mad! Partly I’m mad at Al for having gotten himself in this position with that stupid picture and the unwanted contact. I’m mad at Gillibrand for lighting the fire yesterday. I’m mad at whoever published the anonymous allegations yesterday - I’m sorry, but over a dozen women came out and publicly accused a Presidential nominee, in their own names. That’s brave. Sniping from anonymity? That accusation should be ignored.

422
Skip Intro  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:02:23pm

re: #417 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

I see the Jesus Caucus wasted no time in laying hands on poor Mr. Franks.

423
JordanRules  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:04:33pm

re: #416 ObserverArt

Terry Crews explains why sexual assault survivors don’t come forward
cnn.com

Why Don’t Victims of Sexual Harassment Come Forward Sooner?
psychologytoday.com

Why Women Don’t Report Sexual Harassment
huffingtonpost.com

424
MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:06:51pm

re: #397 Blind Frog Belly White

Perhaps. But without actual proof, acting on that assumption is like wingnuts invoking George Soros.

He knew beforehand. Do you want videographic evidence?

425
ThomasLite  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:08:06pm

re: #416 ObserverArt

Yeah…I’m leaving. Why did I even enter into this??? I’ve never taken advantage of anyone, all I am is confused.

Again, sorry if you feel as if I’m attacking you. Things can come across differently in written form, I’m not a native speaker and don’t usually de-lurk so please let me assure you I’m not.

the quoted portion makes clear you are not the problem here. that doesn’t mean it can’t be an interesting conversation. Maybe even do something about that confusion ;-)

Let’s just put it this way: she might have a hidden agenda (but really she’d have been well within bounds to make more of a fuss than she did so I’m having some trouble seeing tweeden as a willing participant in that…) but even if she did, does that retroactively excuse what he did (and admits)?
please don’ttake it as a personal attack but just consider that point…

426
MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:08:34pm

re: #399 ObserverArt

It doesn’t appear too many men here buy that.

Honest to god, I feel like I’m being mandsplained about how I’m supposed to feel about this, sometimes. I’d not have expected that here.

427
TedStriker  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:10:06pm

re: #417 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

I bet there is video.

Maybe a Chaturbate account?

(NSFW - don’t research that at work, folks, unless you want to have some major ‘splaining to do)

428
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:10:37pm

re: #424 MsJ

He knew beforehand. Do you want videographic evidence?

The paper that ran Tweeden’s story said they were showing it around beforehand.

Remember, Stone wants to create the impression of being all-knowing and all-seeing.

429
MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:11:41pm

re: #419 Skip Intro

Possibly, but I think the floodgates opening up after the Weinstein scandals became public had more to do with it.

Which is why I have such issues with anonymous accusers. Not now. Not after Weinstein.

430
MsJ  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:13:26pm

Curling is on. I’m going go watch someone win something.

431
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:14:14pm

re: #426 MsJ

Honest to god, I feel like I’m being mandsplained about how I’m supposed to feel about this, sometimes. I’d not have expected that here.

I don’t know if you’re talking to/about me. I don’t think I’ve been telling anyone how to feel. I’m trying to discourage us falling into the same shit the Right fell into - automatically dismissing any news they don’t like as a George Soros Plot, or acting like flimsy evidence is an ironclad case.

432
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:15:40pm

re: #426 MsJ

Honest to god, I feel like I’m being mandsplained about how I’m supposed to feel about this, sometimes. I’d not have expected that here.

BTW, I almost started a post satirically mansplaining how you shouldn’t feel like you’re being mansplained to, but I thought better of it since emotions are running high all ‘round.

433
Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:15:54pm

re: #422 Skip Intro

I see the Jesus Caucus wasted no time in laying hands on poor Mr. Franks.

Where did they lay those hands?

434
Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:21:05pm

re: #432 Blind Frog Belly White

BTW, I almost started a post satirically mansplaining how you shouldn’t feel like you’re being mansplained to, but I thought better of it since emotions are running high all ‘round.

‘Bout time we had a contretemps.

435
Decatur Deb  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:22:59pm

re: #433 Joe Bacon 🌹

Where did they lay those hands?

Was there underwear? Underwear is King’s X here in Alabama.

436
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:23:29pm

re: #413 Anymouse 🌹

Well, we still have net migration out of our area. The population is dropping.

I’m all for a bunch of liberals moving here.

I was listening to a report yesterday about Rural Food Deserts. Seems like between Walmart lowering prices on staples to compete with Amazon, and the population drain you mention, more and more small local grocers are going out of business, leaving large swaths of rural America >10 miles from a supermarket.

So, no. Not moving to rural Nebraska. Where would I get my Kalamata olives and Sopressata?

BTW, I’m most familiar with Rural Food Desserts, having grown up in fruit country.

437
ObserverArt  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:24:30pm

re: #421 Blind Frog Belly White

We don’t get to accept the word of Leigh Corfman even though it happened 40 years ago but not accept another woman’s word because it happened 11 years ago.

And what makes you think we’re okay with it? I for one am really mad! Partly I’m mad at Al for having gotten himself in this position with that stupid picture and the unwanted contact. I’m mad at Gillibrand for lighting the fire yesterday. I’m mad at whoever published the anonymous allegations yesterday - I’m sorry, but over a dozen women came out and publicly accused a Presidential nominee, in their own names. That’s brave. Sniping from anonymity? That accusation should be ignored.

I saw this and another I need to respond too.

Al Franken has been a Senator since 2008. That is two years after the incident and 9 years in politics.

Roy Moore didn’t get national attention this large until now.

Tweeden had plenty of opportunity to raise these concerns and sink Al years ago. Funny it is now.

You’ve seen the images and video of them working together at the show and I think even after that. And she works for a conservative news radio talk show.

Leigh Corfman probably wanted it all to go away and was fine with it being in the past.

Then along comes the WaPo people and she must have seen an opportunity to finally get it out of her mind and past. Maybe politics doesn’t even have any meaning for her.

To me that is different.

re: #425 ThomasLite

Again, sorry if you feel as if I’m attacking you. Things can come across differently in written form, I’m not a native speaker and don’t usually de-lurk so please let me assure you I’m not.

the quoted portion makes clear you are not the problem here. that doesn’t mean it can’t be an interesting conversation. Maybe even do something about that confusion ;-)

Let’s just put it this way: she might have a hidden agenda (but really she’d have been well within bounds to make more of a fuss than she did so I’m having some trouble seeing tweeden as a willing participant in that…) but even if she did, does that retroactively excuse what he did (and admits)?
please don’ttake it as a personal attack but just consider that point…

I’m not upset with you. Just general frustration. It is a very touchy subject and sometimes it feels people debate the point on pure emotion and anger. I’m trying to be realistic and understand.

Leeann Tweeden confuses me. Leigh Corfman does not. I’m sure if given enough thought anyone can understand that.

I just wanted to clear that up. Leaving now for the evening.

438
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2017 • 4:24:56pm

re: #434 Decatur Deb

‘Bout time we had a contretemps.

To which the same wag in me that wanted to respond satirically wants to reply, “Yeah? Well, FUCK YOU!!!”, because the wag in me is really an asshole.

439
The Vicious Babushka  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:04:24pm

re: #357 JordanRules

440
petesh  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:06:38pm

re: #376 ObserverArt

You don’t find Leeann being upset about a picture of Franken from 2006 suddenly is a problem in light of Roy Moore 11 years later…but it is just fine for her to be teasing a guy that is looking at her nude pictures in Playboy?

And he wasn’t touching her breasts. It was a photo of him being stupid and sophomoric as he was as a comedian. In Playboy there are actual photos of her breasts and more. And she doesn’t appear to be upset about the guy in the photo checking it all out.

How outraged was she about Franken when nothing was said about it all for 11 freaking years. That apparently doesn’t trouble anyone.

Look I admit to being confused. And that image adds to my confusion. I was looking to see if anyone could add some perspective so I can understand all this better.

You haven’t.

I knew I shouldn’t have made that post. No one wants to discuss, they want to throw bombs.

So the fuck what. Indeed. Well fuck me then.

Hey, you posted that without comment. I didn’t know what the hell you were thinking of. I admit, I assumed you were slut-shaming her for having been in Playboy, which came out ages ago, so why this photo now?

Yeah, I also think there is something fishy about the accusations. I just don’t give a damn if she posed nude. FFS, so did the First Lady! Sorry if I misunderstood your intentions.

441
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:13:37pm

re: #436 Blind Frog Belly White

I was listening to a report yesterday about Rural Food Deserts. Seems like between Walmart lowering prices on staples to compete with Amazon, and the population drain you mention, more and more small local grocers are going out of business, leaving large swaths of rural America >10 miles from a supermarket.

So, no. Not moving to rural Nebraska. Where would I get my Kalamata olives and Sopressata?

BTW, I’m most familiar with Rural Food Desserts, having grown up in fruit country.

I have to drive to Kroger >25 miles away for my Kalamata olives and other favorite food items I am unable to raise on my farm. OTOH, there is the Dollar General store 7 miles away that’s good enough for basic food staples.

442
Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:16:46pm

re: #441 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have to drive to Kroger >25 miles away for my Kalamata olives and other favorite food items I am unable to raise on my farm. OTOH, there is the Dollar General store 7 miles away that’s good enough for basic food staples.

Driving 25 or more miles AND relying on Dollar stores is exactly what the report discussed.

The biggest problem with trying to reverse this is that small independent grocers can’t compete for price with Walmart’s prices on a lot of staples, and larger chains don’t see a population large enough to support a store.

443
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 7, 2017 • 5:24:11pm

re: #442 Blind Frog Belly White

Driving 25 or more miles AND relying on Dollar stores is exactly what the report discussed.

The biggest problem with trying to reverse this is that small independent grocers can’t compete for price with Walmart’s prices on a lot of staples, and larger chains don’t see a population large enough to support a store.

We also have a small local IGA about 7-8 miles away that I patronize every week. They have a great butcher…the meat selection isn’t anything fancy, but it’s all excellent quality. The produce selections, however, aren’t much better than at the Dollar General (obviously old and sometimes moldy)…I prefer driving to the Kroger for fresh fruit and veg this time of year. Oh, and Kroger for the cheeses!

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 7, 2017 • 7:04:44pm

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

climate change is a hoax…

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