Despite Public Outcry, Trump’s FCC Kills Net Neutrality

Our happiness over the defeat of far right loon Roy Moore comes crashing to a halt today, as the Trump FCC destroys another piece of President Obama’s legacy: FCC repeals net neutrality rules in sweeping act of deregulation.

Federal regulators voted Thursday to allow Internet providers to speed up service for some apps and websites — and block or slow down others — in a decision repealing landmark, Obama-era regulations for broadband companies such as AT&T and Verizon.

The move to deregulate the telecom and cable industry is a major setback for tech companies, consumer groups and Democrats who lobbied heavily against the decision. And it marks a significant victory for Republicans who vowed to roll back the efforts of the prior administration, despite a recent survey showing that 83 percent of Americans — including 3 out of 4 Republicans — opposed the plan.

Led by Chairman Ajit Pai, the Federal Communications Commission and its two other GOP members on Thursday followed through on a promise to repeal the government’s 2015 net neutrality rules, which sought to force Internet providers to treat all online services, large and small, equally. The agency also went a step further, rejecting much of its own authority over broadband in a bid to stymie future FCC officials who might seek to regulate providers.

Sen. Ed Markey says the fight may not be over yet, but I’m not very hopeful at this point because the Republican Party is rampaging out of control and giving away huge pieces of the country’s assets to its corporate owners.

UPDATE at 12/14/17 12:38:54 pm by Charles Johnson

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Kragar  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:06:19pm
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piratedan  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:07:27pm

re: #1 Kragar

if these fuckers get their way, yes… yes we are… but it does appear that a good number of Americans aren’t willing to go quietly into that good night…

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A Mom Anon  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:09:33pm

They’re selling off public lands (the two sites in Utah are just a drop in the bucket as part of a much larger plan), siphoning money out of public schools, destroying every department of government they can and stealing us blind. And this is just the shit we know about. I’m terrified to know what we haven’t found out yet.

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Kragar  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:09:37pm
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Kragar  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:14:13pm
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ipsos  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:15:37pm

One of the former GOP FCC commissioners is getting beaten up but good by Ali Velshi on MSNBC right now. As he should.

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S'latch  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:16:14pm

“With his familiar shit-eating grin, FCC chairman Ajit Pai went through the motions of holding a committee hearing on his “Restoring Internet Freedom” initiative. The hearing was as much of a fraud as the title of the item: It was a foregone conclusion that under Pai’s leadership the FCC would hand big telecoms an early Christmas present.” FCC Votes to Kill Net Neutrality, Capping a Year of Endless Bullshit

I like the colorful language.

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Kragar  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:19:50pm
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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:19:57pm

currently:

YouTube

deal with it

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:20:08pm

re: #5 Kragar

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It’s basically like how Reagan would talk about how income tax was lower in the 20’s. It’s a stupid generalization designed to appeal to people who don’t understand change and why further regulations were needed.

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EPR-radar  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:20:27pm

re: #7 S’latch

“With his familiar shit-eating grin, FCC chairman Ajit Pai went through the motions of holding a committee hearing on his “Restoring Internet Freedom” initiative. The hearing was as much of a fraud as the title of the item: It was a foregone conclusion that under Pai’s leadership the FCC would hand big telecoms an early Christmas present.” FCC Votes to Kill Net Neutrality, Capping a Year of Endless Bullshit

I like the colorful language.

Pai is a motherfucker who richly deserves to have flaming bags of dog shit at his front door every remaining day of his miserable life.

But he is also acting as any generic Republican would in gutting FCC regulation of broadband.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:22:40pm

re: #8 Kragar

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Can I buy DDT again yet?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:22:40pm

re: #11 EPR-radar

Pai is a motherfucker who richly deserves to have flaming bags of dog shit at his front door every remaining day of his miserable life.

But he is also acting as any generic Republican would in gutting FCC regulation of broadband.

Yep this would be happening under any GOP administration.

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:24:30pm

re: #12 bill d. (b.d.)

Can I buy DDT again yet?

Buy it? Hell, Chick Fil A will serve it to you with a goddamn straw!

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jaunte  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:24:36pm

“…Among the former officials who filed the amicus brief on December 8 are John Brennan, a CIA director; James Clapper, a director of national intelligence; and Michael Hayden, a director of the National Security Agency; Avril Haines, a deputy national security adviser; Michael McFaul, a US ambassador to Russia; and Michael Morell, an acting CIA director.

The former officials emphasized in the neutral brief that they could not disclose classified information. But their message was clear: The Kremlin uses local actors to help amplify the scope and impact of its influence operations, including the one targeting the US election in 2016.

The cutouts can range from “the unwitting accomplice who is manipulated to act in what he believes is his best interest, to the ideological or economic ally who broadly shares Russian interests, to the knowing agent of influence who is recruited or coerced to directly advance Russian operations and objectives,” the former officials wrote.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:25:11pm
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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:25:25pm
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A Mom Anon  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:25:26pm

re: #11 EPR-radar

This is just a general question to the room. How does this mean profits for ISPs? If only rich people, or at least well off people, can afford internet access, then how is that expanding their market? Most of America, contrary to what the assholes in Congress and this Administration think, has to live on a budget of some kind. If internet access becomes cumbersome, slow and limited, people aren’t going to want to buy it. We’ve become dependent on the internet for so much, but if most people can only afford the cheapest package offered, how the hell does that make money? I really don’t get it.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:25:45pm

re: #5 Kragar

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:27:08pm

re: #18 A Mom Anon

This is just a general question to the room. How does this mean profits for ISPs? If only rich people, or at least well off people, can afford internet access, then how is that expanding their market? Most of America, contrary to what the assholes in Congress and this Administration think, has to live on a budget of some kind. If internet access becomes cumbersome, slow and limited, people aren’t going to want to buy it. We’ve become dependent on the internet for so much, but if most people can only afford the cheapest package offered, how the hell does that make money? I really don’t get it.

It is unlikely that people will give up the internet. So they will throttle back their own use or pay more. Most will pay more. Those who currently don’t have it likely never will. Win for the corporations.

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jaunte  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:27:44pm

re: #18 A Mom Anon

They’ve made the calculation that no one can do without it, and they’ll grab for a toll.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:30:18pm

Ok another question then. Is it possible to bypass these assholes and create (or actually recreate if it comes to that) an ISP that is low cost and works well too? Or is that impossible because the infrastructure is owned by the assholes who are rolling in their money this afternoon over this?

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jaunte  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:30:41pm
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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:31:26pm

re: #18 A Mom Anon

This is just a general question to the room. How does this mean profits for ISPs? If only rich people, or at least well off people, can afford internet access, then how is that expanding their market? Most of America, contrary to what the assholes in Congress and this Administration think, has to live on a budget of some kind. If internet access becomes cumbersome, slow and limited, people aren’t going to want to buy it. We’ve become dependent on the internet for so much, but if most people can only afford the cheapest package offered, how the hell does that make money? I really don’t get it.

you’re right - it wont work if they kill their own customer bases

theres gonna be short term pain
smart and creative people are going to develop work arounds
some second kind of interconnectedness not based on phone lines or cable?
a wifi or other wireless breakthrough?

meanwhile california and NY are already mobilizing
who knows

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:31:29pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:31:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:31:48pm

re: #17 MsJ

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But HRC was wrong to call them deplorable.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:32:34pm

re: #23 jaunte

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is “Ajit” pronounced “eejit”?

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Amory Blaine  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:32:39pm

The parties are exactly the same!

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:32:46pm

re: #22 A Mom Anon

Ok another question then. Is it possible to bypass these assholes and create (or actually recreate if it comes to that) an ISP that is low cost and works well too? Or is that impossible because the infrastructure is owned by the assholes who are rolling in their money this afternoon over this?

Pretty much (#2). It costs a bunch to lay lines. You could go with satellite if it’s offered by you. I think that’s just glorified dial up, though.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:32:57pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Woot thank you AG Herring!

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:33:11pm

re: #24 dangerman

meanwhile california and NY are already mobilizing
who knows

Washington State, too.

We’ll probably see a few more jump in before this is done.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:33:37pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

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and that fast my #24 is stale (only ca and ny — hah)

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EPR-radar  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:33:58pm

re: #23 jaunte

Pai is the Martin Shkreli of technology policy.

In addition to having flaming bags of dogshit on his front porch every day for the rest of his life, Pai should be obliged to clean those messes up with his tongue.

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:34:09pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Like I just said. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:34:31pm
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garzooma  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:35:18pm

re: #15 jaunte

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When 14 high level US intelligence officials are worried enough about something to get involved in a court case — probably Americans should listen. businessinsider.com

The lawsuit was filed in July by three private citizens — Roy Cockrum, Scott Comer, and Eric Schoenberg — whose personal information was stolen in hacks of the Democratic National Committee and published by WikiLeaks. The plaintiffs have argued that the Trump campaign, Stone, “and those they conspired with arranged for the hacked information to be provided to WikiLeaks.”

I hadn’t heard much about this case (kind of like the sexual harassment lawsuits against Trump), but it deserves a good deal more coverage. It points out that there are actual victims of the crimes that Trump and other traitors are aiding and abetting.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:35:26pm

re: #18 A Mom Anon

This is just a general question to the room. How does this mean profits for ISPs? If only rich people, or at least well off people, can afford internet access, then how is that expanding their market? Most of America, contrary to what the assholes in Congress and this Administration think, has to live on a budget of some kind. If internet access becomes cumbersome, slow and limited, people aren’t going to want to buy it. We’ve become dependent on the internet for so much, but if most people can only afford the cheapest package offered, how the hell does that make money? I really don’t get it.

They keep hiking the rates, just like Cable TV does.

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ipsos  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:37:09pm

If anyone’s going to save America right now, it’s the blue state AGs.

I’m on the record as saying I think Xavier Becerra is presidential material, if not in 2020 then in ‘24 or ‘28 or ‘32. And I’m pretty sure Eric Schneiderman is my very favorite NY state politician right now, not that that’s a very high bar of late.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:37:30pm

re: #24 dangerman

you’re right - it wont work if they kill their own customer bases

theres gonna be short term pain
smart and creative people are going to develop work arounds
some second kind of interconnectedness not based on phone lines or cable?
a wifi or other wireless breakthrough?

meanwhile california and NY are already mobilizing
who knows

In Frankfort, our ISP is the City Plant Board and they will not be throttling. Call on your local governments to replace Comcast, AT&T, et al with publicly owned utilities.

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:38:13pm
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A Mom Anon  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:38:54pm

re: #38 Big Beautiful Door

But they’re pricing their own customers out of the market they created. It may work for awhile, but as the rates continue to rise, they will lose customers. I can bet that while the internet is essential for many things, if people can’t afford it they won’t buy into services anymore. And figure out what they did before the internet was available to everyone.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:40:11pm

ok i already know the answer.

these people do read
they know the like 80% against the NN repeal

they do it anyway - repeal the thing
do they think that the 80% are just gonna give up after that cause it’s “done”?

there’s not gonna be a fight?
backlash?
anger, rage, etc - this is everyone’s internet you’re effing with

less than 3 hours the states are mobilizing….
do they think everyone will just forget and move on? not see the results of this on their computers and phones?

there’s not gonna be cudos for this
they have to “literally” not care what any voting person thinks

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:40:13pm

re: #39 ipsos

If anyone’s going to save America right now, it’s the blue state AGs.

I’m on the record as saying I think Xavier Becerra is presidential material, if not in 2020 then in ‘24 or ‘28 or ‘32. And I’m pretty sure Eric Schneiderman is my very favorite NY state politician right now, not that that’s a very high bar of late.

It’s why it’s important to vote a straight Dem ticket. Herring barely won here in 2013 but he won big here this year. I like Beccerra and Schneidermann too.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:40:18pm

re: #42 A Mom Anon

But they’re pricing their own customers out of the market they created. It may work for awhile, but as the rates continue to rise, they will lose customers. I can bet that while the internet is essential for many things, if people can’t afford it they won’t buy into services anymore. And figure out what they did before the internet was available to everyone.

They will find the price point at which they can maximize their profits; they don’t care if it makes the internet unaffordable to tens of millions of Americans.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:40:40pm
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unproven innocence  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:41:46pm

re: #18 A Mom Anon

This is just a general question to the room. How does this mean profits for ISPs? If only rich people, or at least well off people, can afford internet access, then how is that expanding their market? Most of America, contrary to what the assholes in Congress and this Administration think, has to live on a budget of some kind. If internet access becomes cumbersome, slow and limited, people aren’t going to want to buy it. We’ve become dependent on the internet for so much, but if most people can only afford the cheapest package offered, how the hell does that make money? I really don’t get it.

I got the cheapest FIOS™ package I could about ten years ago, a package no longer offered. It started at under $50/mo, with discounts for the 2yr contract. It now costs me 3x as much.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:43:14pm

re: #42 A Mom Anon

But they’re pricing their own customers out of the market they created. It may work for awhile, but as the rates continue to rise, they will lose customers. I can bet that while the internet is essential for many things, if people can’t afford it they won’t buy into services anymore. And figure out what they did before the internet was available to everyone.

like i joked in the last thread. maybe the porn industry saves themselve and therefore us

YouTube

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:44:54pm
Sen. Ed Markey says the fight may not be over yet, but I’m not very hopeful at this point because the Republican Party is rampaging out of control and giving away huge pieces of the country’s assets to its corporate owners.

We are in the hands of devils. Next year’s vote should be an exorcism rather than an election.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:45:30pm

re: #45 Big Beautiful Door

They will find the price point at which they can maximize their profits; they don’t care if it makes the internet unaffordable to tens of millions of Americans.

while that’s the sort of textbook model goal we learn in school
they’re gonna find (or not see) that their new max profits are in fact a lot lower than they otherwise would have been

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:47:01pm
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A Mom Anon  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:47:14pm

re: #50 dangerman

There’s only so many households and businesses in this country. If they shut out even a quarter of those accounts, it’s going to cost them unless the prices for remaining customers go even higher still. It just seems dumb to me.

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:47:31pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:47:59pm

re: #50 dangerman

while that’s the sort of textbook model goal we learn in school
they’re gonna find (or not see) that their new max profits are in fact a lot lower than they otherwise would have been

I hope it inspires lots of localities to offer ISP as a public utility. It works well here in Frankfort.

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:48:34pm

re: #52 A Mom Anon

There’s only so many households and businesses in this country. If they shut out even a quarter of those accounts, it’s going to cost them unless the prices for remaining customers go even higher still. It just seems dumb to me.

You’re right.

It’s pretty much the definition of a ‘short-sighted move.’

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:48:48pm

re: #47 unproven innocence

I got the cheapest FIOS package I could about ten years ago, a package no longer offered. It started at under $50/mo, with discounts for the 2yr contract. It now costs me 3x as much.

thank goodness for suburbia
we pay $55 internet only
about 22mb download speed, 4.75mb upload

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:49:10pm
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scottslemmons  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:49:47pm

Honestly, every state and municipality that doesn’t sue to save Net Neutrality is abdicating its responsibilities to its citizens. Every company that does business online needs to sue. Every college and university, every charity. Institutions with teams of lawyers need to be working to make sure there are too many court dates for Trump’s lawyers to make it to.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:51:08pm
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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:51:22pm
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William Lewis  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:51:30pm

Currently:

Hüsker Dü - New Day Rising [Full Album]

Fuck’em. We’ll keep fighting anyway.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:51:39pm

re: #52 A Mom Anon

There’s only so many households and businesses in this country. If they shut out even a quarter of those accounts, it’s going to cost them unless the prices for remaining customers go even higher still. It just seems dumb to me.

exactly. im agreeing with you.

theyre thinking probably is everyone’s addicted so we’ll be ok. i think you’re right and theyre gonna find out theyre wrong. people will cut back / cut off.

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Kragar  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:52:42pm
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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:53:08pm

re: #54 Big Beautiful Door

I hope it inspires lots of localities to offer ISP as a public utility. It works well here in Frankfort.

i predict lots of creative work arounds
there’s lots of clever smart people out there/here/wherever

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:53:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:53:26pm

heh

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:53:32pm
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calochortus  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:53:48pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

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By all means. Of course the Dow Industrials were at $615.89 on Dec. 30, 1960, so Captains of Industry might not want to go back there. Even adjusted for inflation.

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:55:45pm

re: #54 Big Beautiful Door

I hope it inspires lots of localities to offer ISP as a public utility. It works well here in Frankfort.

A number of states have laws that prevent localities from starting internet service.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:57:20pm

re: #69 Belafon

A number of states have laws that prevent localities from starting internet service.

Those laws should be repealed. That could be a good issue to run on as people start getting outraged by the throttling and higher prices.

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unproven innocence  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:57:33pm

re: #69 Belafon

A number of states have laws that prevent localities from starting internet service.

Just call it a municipal communications service utility. //

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:57:37pm

re: #52 A Mom Anon

There’s only so many households and businesses in this country. If they shut out even a quarter of those accounts, it’s going to cost them unless the prices for remaining customers go even higher still. It just seems dumb to me.

when steve martin toured and fill arenas (with his banjo and arrow through the head) he joked he could tour for x years do y dates and charge (say) $30 a ticket, make a lot of money and then retire.

or he could do one show, charge $20,000 a ticket make the same money and retire today

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:02:14pm
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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:02:55pm

I just got some fool on Facebook saying ‘It is my understanding that the FCC is fighting the decision.’

How do some people get through the day without injuring themselves?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:03:13pm
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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:04:44pm
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sagehen  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:05:01pm

re: #18 A Mom Anon

This is just a general question to the room. How does this mean profits for ISPs? If only rich people, or at least well off people, can afford internet access, then how is that expanding their market? Most of America, contrary to what the assholes in Congress and this Administration think, has to live on a budget of some kind. If internet access becomes cumbersome, slow and limited, people aren’t going to want to buy it. We’ve become dependent on the internet for so much, but if most people can only afford the cheapest package offered, how the hell does that make money? I really don’t get it.

It’s not about charging you more for your internet; it’s about charging Netflix to stream their shows quicker than anybody else’s content. You get tired of the buffering and pauses on some other service; but your roommate loves a couple of Hulu and Amazon shows, and your kid loves YouTube, so your house now has 3 ISPs.

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sagehen  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:07:25pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Those 17 states have about 65% of the nation’s population.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:07:53pm

re: #77 sagehen

It’s not about charging you more for your internet; it’s about charging Netflix to stream their shows quicker than anybody else’s content. You get tired of the buffering and pauses on some other service; but your roommate loves a couple of Hulu and Amazon shows, and your kid loves YouTube, so your house now has 3 ISPs.

not really a great option for those of us who live in areas with only one available ISP.

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:09:21pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

is “Ajit” pronounced “eejit”?

I thought it was “asshole.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:09:27pm

re: #39 ipsos

If anyone’s going to save America right now, it’s the blue state AGs.

I’m on the record as saying I think Xavier Becerra is presidential material, if not in 2020 then in ‘24 or ‘28 or ‘32. And I’m pretty sure Eric Schneiderman is my very favorite NY state politician right now, not that that’s a very high bar of late.

Ahem, the Blue State AsG

(grammar nitpicker)

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:09:39pm

re: #65 MsJ

Everyone who retweets this demands you publicly state you won’t vote for a tax bill until Doug Jones is seated in the Senate. Since you’re from Alabama it’s important you don’t disenfranchise your voters, right? Prove it. #DelayForDoug

who was that bozo yesterday said doug jones should represent alabama by voting with the r’s?

how’s he supposed to do that if they dont seat him
i mean he’d widen the margin, right?

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Bubblehead II  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:09:47pm

re: #22 A Mom Anon

Ok another question then. Is it possible to bypass these assholes and create (or actually recreate if it comes to that) an ISP that is low cost and works well too? Or is that impossible because the infrastructure is owned by the assholes who are rolling in their money this afternoon over this?

Best bet would be one or more local BBS’s networked with others throughout the Country. While not the optimum solution, with today’s more powerful computers and better software they could be a viable work around. (dusts off PCBoard software). Remember, BBS’s were around long before the internet became a thing.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:09:53pm
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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:10:29pm

Shots fired!

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Weaselone  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:12:03pm

re: #74 makeitstop

I just got some fool on Facebook saying ‘It is my understanding that the FCC is fighting the decision.’

How do some people get through the day without injuring themselves?

People seem pretty clueless about this. There’s lots of people both-siding this issue because the Spineless Invertebrate was an Obama pick (as were 3 of the other members). They conveniently ignore that by statute the board can only have 3 members from the same party, so Obama picked Republicans from a list provided by Republicans.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:12:51pm

re: #12 bill d. (b.d.)

Can I buy DDT again yet?

I’m going to the gas station to get leaded gas. Anybody here need some?

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Kragar  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:13:41pm
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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:14:05pm

re: #87 Ace Rothstein

I’m going to the gas station to get leaded gas. Anybody here need some?

I’m good on gas, but can you stop on the way back and pick up a couple of gallons of lead paint?

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:14:14pm

re: #74 makeitstop

I just got some fool on Facebook saying ‘It is my understanding that the FCC is fighting the decision.’

How do some people get through the day without injuring themselves?

You work with them
You work under them
they’re driving the cars around you(!)
You let them run your local state and natl govts
They operate on you
They prepare and serve your food
They prescribe drugs
Fly planes, drive buses, trains

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Stanley Sea  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:14:24pm

re: #87 Ace Rothstein

I’m going to the gas station to get leaded gas. Anybody here need some?

While I was back east I had a real hard time with the gas nozzles that let all the fumes fly.

We don’t have that rickety shit here in CA.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:15:52pm
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Jay C  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:16:29pm

re: #43 dangerman

they have to “literally” not care what any voting person thinks

Welcome to the 21st-Century Republican Party!

They care what the voters, think all right: it’s just that they devote an inordinate amount of time trying to convince those voters to only think about what THEY want them too, i.e. how to best enact their prejudices
into law….

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:16:30pm

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is the right call by @AjitPaiFCC and the @FCC. The way to keep the internet free and open and protect consumers is to crack down on internet service providers that would abuse open access.

to do that you need, you know, regulations….that would have be enforced, there would need to be investigations of complaints…

where’s all this bureaucracy and red tape gonna come from?

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:17:16pm

re: #82 dangerman

who was that bozo yesterday said doug jones should represent alabama by voting with the r’s?

how’s he supposed to do that if they dont seat him
i mean he’d widen the margin, right?

I believe it was the elected douchebag in CO. Cory Gardner?

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:18:28pm

re: #91 Stanley Sea

While I was back east I had a real hard time with the gas nozzles that let all the fumes fly.

We don’t have that rickety shit here in CA.

Not here in NY, either. Us Coastal Elites.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:19:09pm

re: #89 makeitstop

Leaded paint, got it. Anybody here need mercury in their water? How about some asbestos?

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sagehen  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:19:26pm

re: #87 Ace Rothstein

I’m going to the gas station to get leaded gas. Anybody here need some?

While you’re there, I’d like a couple of barrels of Sudafed for my neighbor’s chemistry experiments, and a truckload of ammonium nitrate fertilizer.

And some of those lawn darts…

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:20:11pm

re: #97 Ace Rothstein

Leaded paint, got it. Anybody here need mercury in their water? How about some asbestos?

I’m having a party this weekend. Pick up some lawn darts for me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:20:37pm

Omarosa’s replacements:

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:21:00pm

re: #98 sagehen

While you’re there, I’d like a couple of barrels of Sudafed for my neighbor’s chemistry experiments, and a truckload of ammonium nitrate fertilizer.

And some of those lawn darts

Beat me by that much.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:21:12pm

re: #87 Ace Rothstein

I’m going to the gas station to get leaded gas. Anybody here need some?

remember those days when you could see the exhaust belching out of cars trucks and buses?

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:21:56pm

re: #102 dangerman

remember those days when you could see the exhaust belching out of cars trucks and buses?

Yeah, back when America was great.
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Kragar  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:22:19pm
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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:24:39pm

re: #96 makeitstop

Not here in NY, either. Us Coastal Elites.

when i moved to fla, i was floored they dont do annual car inspections
“it’s your job to make sure your vehicle’s roadworthy”

yeah? what about the other guy?

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:25:29pm

re: #104 Kragar

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”We’re going to hold those people responsible!”

“With what?”

”Why, with laws against such practices!”

“You mean the laws you’re happily gutting while proclaiming that it will lead to ‘freedom’?”

”BLOODY PEASANT!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:26:38pm

O_o

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:28:27pm
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John Carter  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:30:50pm

When they say Ryan is considering retiring, are they saying he won’t run in 2018?

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Stanley Sea  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:34:34pm

re: #105 dangerman

when i moved to fla, i was floored they dont do annual car inspections
“it’s your job to make sure your vehicle’s roadworthy”

yeah? what about the other guy?

All we have here is smog check.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:34:47pm

re: #109 John Carter

That was my understanding. I think he’s waiting to see who makes him the best offer or if he’s better off filling his pockets up where he is.

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plansbandc  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:36:29pm

re: #12 bill d. (b.d.)

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:37:24pm

re: #110 Stanley Sea

All we have here is smog check.

back when I lived in NY, I drove a twin carburetor TR-6.
the local gas station would shove the emissions sensor up another car’s tailpipe so mine would pass the inspection

omg if i was a senator they’d be asking for my resignation right now….

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Kragar  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:37:56pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:40:38pm

re: #43 dangerman

ok i already know the answer.

these people do read
they know the like 80% against the NN repeal

they do it anyway - repeal the thing
do they think that the 80% are just gonna give up after that cause it’s “done”?

there’s not gonna be a fight?
backlash?
anger, rage, etc - this is everyone’s internet you’re effing with

less than 3 hours the states are mobilizing….
do they think everyone will just forget and move on? not see the results of this on their computers and phones?

there’s not gonna be cudos for this
they have to “literally” not care what any voting person thinks

They do not work for the people of this country. It cannot be any more clear.

The congress approval ratings are as low as they can go. Polls show nothing they are doing is supported by the voting public.

What does that leave us with as a reason?

There can be only one answer. They work for huge money through lobbyists and don’t care about anything else.

I think it telling someone like Paul Ryan is kicking around leaving government. Why not? He can live off all of us with his retirement and healthcare, probably has a huge bank account full of lobbying money and he can work as a lobbyist and write books and be on Fox talking shit.

I bet this is the plan for a lot of them. Please their daddies and then retire. Safe and sound.

This is where we are. Can’t be anything else. And yes, it fucking sucks.

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:41:35pm

OMFG. The National Review felt this needed to be published? Excuse me but… HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMFG HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *cough* HAHAHAHAHA *snicker* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:43:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:45:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:46:09pm

re: #116 MsJ

OMFG. The National Review felt this needed to be published? Excuse me but… HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMFG HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *cough* HAHAHAHAHA *snicker* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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National Retrogrades Online yall.

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VegasGolfer  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:50:53pm

nbc.com

Here’s a funny bit on omarosa.

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:53:00pm

Lawsuits galore.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:53:02pm
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Mike Lamb  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:54:49pm

re: #121 MsJ

Lawsuits galore.

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DOJ…only department they aren’t gutting.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:55:06pm

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A Mom Anon  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:58:05pm

re: #116 MsJ

Um. Kyle? I know you’re busy writing super duper awesome important shit for NRO, but um, Kyle, have you not considered something? That poor decision making slut, the made up one in the story, had sex with seven men. Who most likely had sex before they met Miss Poor Decision Maker. With multiple Lady Partner People. And let’s just say, for giggles, that all of the sudden women decided they would nevereverneverneverever have sex outside of marriage EVER. Living up to your oh so high standards. Lets even go farther still and say women stopped going to bars to meet guys,no more frat parties on the weekends, no more any of it. Whatcha gonna do now sweetie? Because if women are held to this ridiculous standard and men are not, well, it stands to reason that ya’all are bigger whores than the women you whine about. KYLE.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:58:56pm

re: #42 A Mom Anon

But they’re pricing their own customers out of the market they created. It may work for awhile, but as the rates continue to rise, they will lose customers. I can bet that while the internet is essential for many things, if people can’t afford it they won’t buy into services anymore. And figure out what they did before the internet was available to everyone.

My assumption was that the prices will remain about the same, as long as your traffic is going where they want it to - sites and services they own or profit from (e.g. Site X pays comcast for visits from comcast users.) The throttling of other sites and services will direct many people to where Comcast wishes, because of the inconvenience of the slower speeds for the “unapproved” sites.
Of course, they will be HAPPY to provide full-speed access to those other places - you will just have to pay a bunch for it.

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:00:04pm

re: #113 dangerman

back when I lived in NY, I drove a twin carburetor TR-6.
the local gas station would shove the emissions sensor up another car’s tailpipe so mine would pass the inspection

omg if i was a senator they’d be asking for my resignation right now….

It’s all computer-based now and extremely hard to cheat.

Of course, now that I’ve become a law-abiding citizen (cough) I’ve got a vehicle that can pass all that stuff.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:08:04pm

re: #114 Kragar

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Yeah, because I know I lay awake at night going “Will they ever get Joe’s conviction overturned?”

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:10:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:12:18pm
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Jay C  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:12:30pm

re: #127 makeitstop

It’s all computer-based now and extremely hard to cheat.

Of course, now that I’ve become a law-abiding citizen (cough) I’ve got a vehicle that can pass all that stuff.

In Massachusetts - where I recently had a car inspected - they don’t even leave it up to the local inspection station: they have to log on to the RMV site out of Boston, who actually conduct/monitor the test” complete with uploaded photo of the license plate, just to weed out any “ringers”. Progress…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:14:15pm
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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:14:34pm

Well, I am shocked. How about you?

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:17:12pm

re: #134 gocart mozart

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Video

Oh, shut up, Tammy.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:17:30pm

re: #133 MsJ

Well, I am shocked. How about you?

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I’m shocked, SHOCKED! Well, not that shocked.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:18:29pm

re: #134 gocart mozart

LOL. Poor things. This is the same twenty something who was ragging on the ACA but is still on her parents’ insurance BECAUSE OF THE ACA. What a brain trust they’ve got going on over there. JFC

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:20:53pm

They keep saying “well, the Democrats will make us look like Venezuela” while passing policies that increasing lead us to look like Venezuela.

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:20:56pm

JFC

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:21:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:23:21pm

re: #139 MsJ

JFC

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Nice to know they care about sexual assault down there.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:25:13pm

re: #134 gocart mozart

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Does she ever stop running her yap? She really wants to be Millennial Coulter bad.

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William Lewis  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:25:14pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I am so glad I got signed up for my VA coverage this year.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:25:28pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:25:34pm

re: #91 Stanley Sea

While I was back east I had a real hard time with the gas nozzles that let all the fumes fly.

We don’t have that rickety shit here in CA.

That’s because you get all of your air pollution through wildfires.

( I think I’m in trouble now ; ) )

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:26:27pm

re: #115 ObserverArt

They do not work for the people of this country. It cannot be any more clear.

The congress approval ratings are as low as they can go. Polls show nothing they are doing is supported by the voting public.

What does that leave us with as a reason?

There can be only one answer. They work for huge money through lobbyists and don’t care about anything else.

I think it telling someone like Paul Ryan is kicking around leaving government. Why not? He can live off all of us with his retirement and healthcare, probably has a huge bank account full of lobbying money and he can work as a lobbyist and write books and be on Fox talking shit.

I bet this is the plan for a lot of them. Please their daddies and then retire. Safe and sound.

This is where we are. Can’t be anything else. And yes, it fucking sucks.

i hear you i understand and i dont disagree
what seems odd, to me is yes, they feed / live off the donor class
they need their rube class to vote them in

when you get the kind of dissatisfaction the polling shows between this and the tax thing they’re gonna piss off a lot of their own voters (which im fine with)

i cant wrap my head around any kind of strategic thinking.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:27:28pm

re: #134 gocart mozart

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Meanwhile, 4 years of pointless investigations were treated as vitally important and if you questioned the partisan nature of them were accused of spitting on the memory of those killed.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:30:33pm

re: #17 MsJ

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:32:23pm

re: #23 jaunte

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A Mom Anon  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:32:39pm

re: #139 MsJ

I’m gonna go ahead and assume, from now on, that any man who does this sort of shit is a perpetrator. What other reason would he have to do this? He’s on the side of rapists and abusers. Way to go!

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:33:11pm

re: #127 makeitstop

It’s all computer-based now and extremely hard to cheat.

Of course, now that I’ve become a law-abiding citizen (cough) I’ve got a vehicle that can pass all that stuff.

me too, ahem, now.
sold the TR two years ago, after like 33 years together. sigh

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:36:08pm

re: #9 dangerman

currently:

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Video

deal with it

I’m thinking the last lines of the album might be prophetic.

They wound up wounded,
and not even dead,
tonight in Jungleland.

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William Lewis  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:37:10pm

re: #151 dangerman

me too, ahem, now.
sold the TR two years ago, after like 33 years together. sigh

Wish I’d know when you were selling it, the TR6 is my holy grail car.

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:38:05pm

re: #113 dangerman

back when I lived in NY, I drove a twin carburetor TR-6.
the local gas station would shove the emissions sensor up another car’s tailpipe so mine would pass the inspection

omg if i was a senator they’d be asking for my resignation right now….

Your bigger problem was it is TR-6.

And those twin carbs were hard as hell to adjust to get them to work.

Thank heavens for fuel injection. And engine management system computers. And most especially new construction techniques and metal coatings so your car doesn’t rust away as some of those Brit sportin’ cars would in areas that used salt on the roads.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:38:11pm

re: #15 jaunte

the unwitting accomplice who is manipulated to act in what he believes is his best interest

Historically known as “useful idiots.”

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:38:34pm

re: #150 A Mom Anon

I’m gonna go ahead and assume, from now on, that any man who does this sort of shit is a perpetrator. What other reason would he have to do this? He’s on the side of rapists and abusers. Way to go!

you support a pig, or pig behavior, you’re a pig

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electrotek  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:39:19pm

re: #105 dangerman

when i moved to fla, i was floored they dont do annual car inspections
“it’s your job to make sure your vehicle’s roadworthy”

yeah? what about the other guy?

If only America followed Japan’s lead and institute its own shaken 車検 inspection. Too many unsafe vehicles continue to pile up on American roads that should not be allowed to begin with.

But of course, that also means we need to beef up our public transit system substantially in order to assist those who are unable to purchase a new vehicle or have their vehicle fixed to the acceptable position so they don’t get left out.

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:40:18pm

re: #151 dangerman

me too, ahem, now.
sold the TR two years ago, after like 33 years together. sigh

My wife wants a TR (or some equivalent British sports car) something bad.

The only thing saving me is lack of a garage. Although some sort of Brit sports car would be great fun on a Summer’s day out here.

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electrotek  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:41:46pm

re: #158 makeitstop

My wife wants a TR (or some equivalent British sports car) something bad.

The only thing saving me is lack of a garage. Although some sort of Brit sports car would be great fun on a Summer’s day out here.

Save up some quid and bring yourself a British Ford stateside, like a ‘92 Ford Escort Cosworth RS or a MK1 Capri or Mk1 Escort even.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:45:23pm

re: #76 MsJ

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:45:37pm

re: #153 William Lewis

Wish I’d know when you were selling it, the TR6 is my holy grail car.

it was my second.
the first was a 73 i bought in 81 or so. about 2 years later part of the frame rusted out so i sold it
bought a 74 in i think 84. with the electric overdrive. (and those stupid bumpers) it was my daily driver for years.
drove it winter and summer, rain snow, whatever. had a targa hardtop for the winters and kept a blanket in the cockpit to supplement the weak heat. i put in a 6 speaker stereo with a 100w amp bolted into the trunk.

i had fun

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:46:12pm

re: #135 makeitstop

Oh, shut up, Tammy.

I see what you did there…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:46:54pm

re: #154 ObserverArt

Your bigger problem was it is TR-6.

And those twin carbs were hard as hell to adjust to get them to work.

Thank heavens for fuel injection. And engine management system computers. And most especially new construction techniques and metal coatings so your car doesn’t rust away as some of those Brit sportin’ cars would in areas that used salt on the roads.

When I lived in Ithaca, my then-14 year old 1966 MGB was widely praised for being in such good shape, simply by existing in driveable condition.

When I moved to California, the same car became ‘a rusty piece of shit’. When the brakes started acting up, one mechanic said he wouldn’t work on it without a tetanus shot.

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:47:16pm

re: #137 A Mom Anon

LOL. Poor things. This is the same twenty something who was ragging on the ACA but is still on her parents’ insurance BECAUSE OF THE ACA. What a brain trust they’ve got going on over there. JFC

The problem is that braintrust seems to be infecting so many brains that end up buying the BS and becoming increasingly ignorant.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:47:58pm

re: #154 ObserverArt

Your bigger problem was it is TR-6.

And those twin carbs were hard as hell to adjust to get them to work.

Thank heavens for fuel injection. And engine management system computers. And most especially new construction techniques and metal coatings so your car doesn’t rust away as some of those Brit sportin’ cars would in areas that used salt on the roads.

as i said below, my first TR did rust.

remember these to balance the air flow? (not) fun times

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electrotek  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:49:26pm

Ever seen any Rootes or British Leyland on the road after all these years? lol

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:49:33pm

re: #158 makeitstop

My wife wants a TR (or some equivalent British sports car) something bad.

The only thing saving me is lack of a garage. Although some sort of Brit sports car would be great fun on a Summer’s day out here.

i wholeheartedly recommend it

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:50:22pm

re: #165 dangerman

as i said below, my first TR did rust.

remember these to balance the air flow? (not) fun times

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Remember adding tiny amounts of transmission fluid to the dashpots of the SUs?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:50:32pm

re: #104 Kragar

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:50:45pm

Completely OT: here’s a previously unpublished interview with Les Paul, talking about things he invented, his recording techniques, all kinds of cool stuff -not the least of which, his namesake guitar.

You talked about how Bing Crosby fixed you up with Decca. I believe he also was important in your early recording experiments.

In the early ’40s, I was in the army, and Bing said, What I’d like to do is build a studio for you in Hollywood. Bing and I, we’re riding up and down the street, and here’s a beautiful place, what about this? I said you know Bing, I gotta tell you, I really don’t want to get into the recording thing—I just want to play the guitar. And so he turned around the car and we went back to the parking lot at NBC, and that was the end of it.

I went home that day, and two friends of mine were sitting in the backyard. They said what happened? I said oh, I was recording with Bing for the Army, and he thought I should build my own studio because I had so many good ideas. And they says, Well, why don’t you do it? I told them I turned him down, and my two friends says, Well, why don’t we build it right here in the garage? So we built it in the garage. I backed the car out, we nailed the doors shut, climbed through the window. And [laughs] we made sure we had the piano in there before we dealt with that. We were smart enough to do that.

What did you do in there?

I started recording all kinds of people around the house, The Andrews Sisters, Bing Crosby, Gene Austin, Gene Autry, everybody. The next thing you know, I had a very popular studio, in Hollywood. By ‘45 I was running all kinds of hits out of there, but none of my own. I was making them for other people and learning all about mixing and so forth. By 1946, I was on tour with The Andrews Sisters, and my mother came to see me.

She said, I heard you on the air last night and you sounded great. And I said mum, I wasn’t on the air last night—I’ve been playing seven shows a day at the Chicago Theatre. She says, Well then you’d better sue ‘em, ‘cause there’s people out there that are stealing your stuff. She said, You ought to do something so that you’re different than anybody else. She got that in my head.

I gave notice to The Andrews Sisters in Chicago and drove back to California, and I said, I’m gonna stay in the studio until I come up with a sound where I’m completely different than anybody else. It was my mother that put the bee in my bonnet.

Les was a 20th Century pioneer. There are so many things I and other musicians take for granted today that wold not have existed had he not invented them.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:50:51pm
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William Lewis  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:50:58pm

re: #161 dangerman

it was my second.
the first was a 73 i bought in 81 or so. about 2 years later part of the frame rusted out so i sold it
bought a 74 in i think 84. with the electric overdrive. (and those stupid bumpers) it was my daily driver for years.
drove it winter and summer, rain snow, whatever. had a targa hardtop for the winters and kept a blanket in the cockpit to supplement the weak heat. i put in a 6 speaker stereo with a 100w amp bolted into the trunk.

i had fun

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Yeah. One of the dream/parts catalogs I get has an electric blanket for both seats that plugs into the cigarette lighter; I imagine that would be a nice addition ;)

There was a Triumph motorcycle dealer in Madison that I’d go visit to drool fairly often and he had a TR6 they redid from top to bottom. Supercharger, ford 5 speed & differential, heavier electrical rewiring, insane sound system and the wood dash polished like something from a lumber baron’s mansion. Fell in love with the model the first time I saw it. A battle-cruiser of sports cars - if it couldn’t outrun it, it could out maneuver it ;)

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:51:45pm

re: #146 dangerman

i hear you i understand and i dont disagree
what seems odd, to me is yes, they feed / live off the donor class
they need their rube class to vote them in

when you get the kind of dissatisfaction the polling shows between this and the tax thing they’re gonna piss off a lot of their own voters (which im fine with)

i cant wrap my head around any kind of strategic thinking.

Going for the money while under cover of Fox news and then getting out of office and leaving the mess behind doesn’t take a lot of strategic thinking.

I think you are giving them too much credit. They are simply fucking crooks. Everything bad about politics all wrapped up in a nice Republican package.

Better to ask what are the repercussions? Right now there seems to be none. So, not a whole hell of a lot standing in their way.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:52:26pm

re: #114 Kragar

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:52:36pm

re: #147 Targetpractice

Meanwhile, 4 years of pointless investigations were treated as vitally important and if you questioned the partisan nature of them were accused of spitting on the memory of those killed.

Four years of investigations by the same FBI that is a problem now.

Gee, I wonder why???

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:53:13pm

re: #168 Blind Frog Belly White

Remember adding tiny amounts of transmission fluid to the dashpots of the SUs?

yup
and lets not begin to talk electrics
or removing the oil filter housing

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:54:21pm

re: #158 makeitstop

My wife wants a TR (or some equivalent British sports car) something bad.

The only thing saving me is lack of a garage. Although some sort of Brit sports car would be great fun on a Summer’s day out here.

“Something bad” is an excellent way of putting it. Unless you’re a mechanic with deep pockets, it’s like owning a boat - “A hole in the water you pour money into”.

A new, or lightly used Mazda Miata will provide much the same excitement while not requiring a toolkit and a variety of spare bits in the trunk!

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:56:22pm
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Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:58:03pm

re: #165 dangerman

as i said below, my first TR did rust.

remember these to balance the air flow? (not) fun times

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Unisys. Still have one from my Midget with twin SUs. If I drive my Series III landrover to the border of any state except Mississippi, they will probably shoot it at the welcome station.

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:58:46pm

re: #150 A Mom Anon

I’m gonna go ahead and assume, from now on, that any man who does this sort of shit is a perpetrator. What other reason would he have to do this? He’s on the side of rapists and abusers. Way to go!

Pretty safe assumption Mom A!

Though, they probably don’t think anyone was abused or raped. Jus’ havin’ a little ol’ fun darlin’.

And that is a big part of the problem.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:00:09pm

re: #177 Blind Frog Belly White

“Something bad” is an excellent way of putting it. Unless you’re a mechanic with deep pockets, it’s like owning a boat - “A hole in the water you pour money into”.

A new, or lightly used Mazda Miata will provide much the same excitement while not requiring a toolkit and a variety of spare bits in the trunk!

its almost like you know what i went through

apropos of our conversation upthread how things have changed since the good old days, my 73 TR did not have seatbelts. i had to install them in ‘83 or 84 when NY started enforcing.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:00:21pm

re: #168 Blind Frog Belly White

Remember adding tiny amounts of transmission fluid to the dashpots of the SUs?

Sewing machine oil according to the Bloody Knuckles cultists.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:00:44pm

re: #176 dangerman

yup
and lets not begin to talk electrics
or removing the oil filter housing

Christ, that. Lie underneath and turn the bolt part of a turn. Try to fit the wrench on it again. Turn it part of a turn. Try to fit the wrench on it again.

Then the hot oil comes gushing out all over your hand.

Mine also had that starter drive that would periodically wind up and lock itself onto the flywheel. The official cure was to remove the cap from the other end of the starter and turn the armature backwards till it unlocked. One night, stopped at an ATM, I turned the key and got the dreaded “Rrrrrrr-guiinnch” sound. Cursing audibly I got out, opened the bonnet and prepared to wield my crescent wrench to turn the armature, 30 degrees at a time.

Another guy who was there said, “Starter drive locked up?”

Yeah.

“Put it in 4th and let off the handbrake.” Then he rocked the car a couple times and *SPROING!*

Started right up.

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plansbandc  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:01:28pm

I need one of those little days without memes with my face on it saying “Days Without Crying, 0.

Ah well. The Alabama election actually gave me one day without.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:01:29pm

re: #177 Blind Frog Belly White

“…

A new, or lightly used Mazda Miata will provide much the same excitement while not requiring a toolkit and a variety of spare bits in the trunk!

What’s the fun in that?

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:03:10pm

re: #183 Blind Frog Belly White

Christ, that. Lie underneath and turn the bolt part of a turn. Try to fit the wrench on it again. Turn it part of a turn. Try to fit the wrench on it again.

Then the hot oil comes gushing out all over your hand.

Mine also had that starter drive that would periodically wind up and lock itself onto the flywheel. The official cure was to remove the cap from the other end of the starter and turn the armature backwards till it unlocked. One night, stopped at an ATM, I turned the key and got the dreaded “Rrrrrrr-guiinnch” sound. Cursing audibly I got out, opened the bonnet and prepared to wield my crescent wrench to turn the armature, 30 degrees at a time.

Another guy who was there said, “Starter drive locked up?”

Yeah.

“Put it in 4th and let off the handbrake.” Then he rocked the car a couple times and *SPROING!*

Started right up.

see Danger? it wasnt just you

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:05:01pm

re: #184 plansbandc

I need one of those little days without memes with my face on it saying “Days Without Crying, 0.

Ah well. The Alabama election actually gave me one day without.

find something to smile about every day (no need to laugh)
breathe one breath at a time (do not stop)
go very slowly about your way

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:05:03pm

re: #165 dangerman

as i said below, my first TR did rust.

remember these to balance the air flow? (not) fun times

[Embedded content]

Yep. My one brother had a ‘67 Datsun 1600.

He used one on that twin-carb setup.

Truth be known…that Datusn (Nissan) was a lot better constructed and drivable than any MG or Triumph. Hands down.

If your wife is looking for a good British sports car, I’d recommend a Mazda Miata.

; )

Oops! It was makeitstop’s wife that needs the Miata. My bad. Hey, I’m cooking dinner…spaghetti with nice-a meatballs. What do you want from me!

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:05:41pm

re: #177 Blind Frog Belly White

“Something bad” is an excellent way of putting it. Unless you’re a mechanic with deep pockets, it’s like owning a boat - “A hole in the water you pour money into”.

A new, or lightly used Mazda Miata will provide much the same excitement while not requiring a toolkit and a variety of spare bits in the trunk!

My brother had an MG Midget in high school. He gave me rides in it a couple of times. That’s about how often it wasn’t leaking oil all over my dad’s driveway.

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electrotek  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:06:00pm

re: #188 ObserverArt

Yep. My one brother had a ‘67 Datsun 1600.

He used one of that twin-carb setup.

Truth be known…that Datusn (Nissan) was a lot better constructed and drivable than any MG or Triumph. Hands down.

If your wife is looking for a good British sports car, I’d recommend a Mazda Miata.

; )

You mean Eunos Roadster

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:06:44pm
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Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:07:37pm

re: #188 ObserverArt

Yep. My one brother had a ‘67 Datsun 1600.

He used one of that twin-carb setup.

Truth be known…that Datusn (Nissan) was a lot better constructed and drivable than any MG or Triumph. Hands down.

If your wife is looking for a good British sports car, I’d recommend a Mazda Miata.

; )

TBH, the Miatas of the right years look like they “belong” with the Britcars.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:09:31pm

re: #189 Barefoot Grin

My brother had an MG Midget in high school. He gave me rides in it a couple of times. That’s about how often it wasn’t leaking oil all over my dad’s driveway.

MG are like Chinooks—if they’re not leaking weeping, they’re out of fluid.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:09:49pm

re: #188 ObserverArt

Yep. My one brother had a ‘67 Datsun 1600.

He used one of that twin-carb setup.

Truth be known…that Datusn (Nissan) was a lot better constructed and drivable than any MG or Triumph. Hands down.

If your wife is looking for a good British sports car, I’d recommend a Mazda Miata.

; )

in my defense all those years ago, the TR was the sweetest, coolest car I had ever seen. it was to be the second car i owned. (the first a boring toyota corolla) at the time i had no idea what kind of maintenance rabbit hole i was getting myself into. we had 33 good years. in retrospect, i dont regret it (most of the time).

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:12:28pm

There is a guy at the Rolls-Royce dealer in Dallas who is said to be an authentic wizard with SU carbs. He reportedly served a 100 year apprenticeship at the Hogwarts Automotive Academy.

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:14:17pm

re: #177 Blind Frog Belly White

“Something bad” is an excellent way of putting it. Unless you’re a mechanic with deep pockets, it’s like owning a boat - “A hole in the water you pour money into”.

A new, or lightly used Mazda Miata will provide much the same excitement while not requiring a toolkit and a variety of spare bits in the trunk!

Damn it…you beat me to the Miata comment.

One nice thing about them, racing parts galore. And if you want, throw a few safety items on it and you too can race it on the weekends in SCCA and NASA racing.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:14:18pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:14:40pm
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Ace-o-aces  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:15:12pm
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The Major  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:17:54pm

re: #125 A Mom Anon

That’s a good one, A Mon Anon….
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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:18:24pm

i’m off

taking mrs dm for mexican food
(is it ok to say that?)

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451_Montag  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:18:36pm

re: #191 Dave In Austin

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I like this. He just sell it like it is.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:18:50pm

re: #198 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

It’s so disgraceful yet hardly surprising. Mueller is the patriot these guys think they are.

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The Major  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:20:12pm

re: #158 makeitstop

My wife wants a TR (or some equivalent British sports car) something bad.

Would a Opel GT from the 1970’s do ?

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:20:39pm

re: #181 dangerman

its almost like you know what i went through

apropos of our conversation upthread how things have changed since the good old days, my 73 TR did not have seatbelts. i had to install them in ‘83 or 84 when NY started enforcing.

I and a buddy bought a Black ‘68 MGB, Lovely car. We watched it rust before our very eyes once we got into the project. You start taking it apart and it just got worse and worse and our budget wasn’t in line with trying to save it.

I had friends with Spitfires.

I know the pain!

I also know some vintage restorers. Today you can do a decent job of saving a fairly good car.

Anyone ever hear of these guys? > Moss Motors

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electrotek  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:21:44pm
“I had two Brenell tape recorders set up at home, on which I made experimental recordings and tape loops, like the ones in ‘Tomorrow Never Knows.’ And once I put together something crazy, something left field, just for the other Beatles, a fun thing which they could play late in the evening. It was just something for the mates, basically,” shared McCartney in an interview with Mark Lewisohn taken from The Unreleased Beatles: Music and Film.

“I would sit around all day, creating little tapes. I did one once called Unforgettable and used the ‘Unforgettable’ [by] Nat King Cole [line] ‘[that’s] what you are…’ as the intro. Then did a sort of, ‘Hello, hello…’ like a radio show. I had a demo done by Dick James of that, just for the other guys because it was really a kind of stoned thing. That was really the truth of it,” McCartney explained to Barry Miles in Many Years From Now.

Paul McCartney’s Christmas Disc 1965

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William Lewis  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:22:18pm

re: #205 ObserverArt

Anyone ever hear of these guys? > Moss Motors

Their TR6 catalog is my favorite porn subscription.

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The Major  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:22:25pm

re: #166 electrotek

Ever seen any Rootes or British Leyland on the road after all these years? lol

As one of the fine Brits who used to post on CIS:CANOPS before the 1990s saw the commercialization of the internet used to say:

“All of the parts falling off this car are of the finest British (Lucas) Manufacturing”….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:22:50pm

re: #185 Decatur Deb

What’s the fun in that?

I remember all the adventures with my MGB when I was in my early 20s, like the time the throttle cable broke and the accelerator dropped to the floor. I jury rigged something with one of those laboratory hose clamps which I had lifted from the lab, and nursed it the 1.5 miles home. Next morning I walked the 4 miles to the parts store, and then walked the 4 miles back with the new throttle cable.

Then there was the time, one cool Autumn evening, when the heater core blew a hole and all the windows fogged up INSTANTLY. I closed the heater valve. I couldn’t afford to replace the heater core for a couple months. In Ithaca.

Then there was the time, after visiting my brother near Philly, I was going up the Northeast Extension of the PA Turnpike. I was driving through Lehigh Tunnel and started hearing this rattling scraping sound. “Some poor bastard’s dropped his exhaust system!” Then I realized the sound wasn’t getting closer or farther away. It was me. A pair of radiator hose clamps around the tailpipe and the rear bumper hanger and I was on my way.

Then there was the time I was visiting the not-yet-Mrs. FBW in Pittsburgh, and as I turned from Fifth onto Negley and started up Negley Hill, the rear U-joint on the driveshaft broke.

Then there was the time I was visiting Mom and Dad, and as I pulled into the turnaround in the driveway, the clutch gave out.

Then there was the slow process wherein one of the 4 cylinders gave out. At first, it misfired on one cylinder till it warmed up and ran on 4. Then that cylinder stopped working completely and I drove around on 3 for a while. Then a second cylinder started dying. I had to park pointed downhill at my girlfriend’s place on Buffalo street, so in the morning when I came out, I could drive downhill and putter around on 2 cylinders in the flat part of Ithaca till the 3rd cylinder kicked in and I could just make it up State St.

I only owned that car for 3 years.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:23:23pm

re: #205 ObserverArt

I and a buddy bought a Black ‘68 MGB, Lovely car. We watched it rust before our very eyes once we got into the project. You start taking it apart and it just got worse and worse and our budget wasn’t in line with trying to save it.

I had friends with Spitfires.

I know the pain!

I also know some vintage restorers. Today you can do a decent job of saving a fairly good car.

Anyone ever hear of these guys? > Moss Motors

Think I bought mail order parts from them in the day. Also Victoria British.

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electrotek  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:24:32pm

So I take it there’s no love here for vintage Australian muscle from the same era?

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:24:34pm

re: #192 Decatur Deb

TBH, the Miatas of the right years look like they “belong” with the Britcars.

Exactly. The Lotus Elan to be specific.

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ipsos  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:25:21pm

Took my dad to England a while back to visit car-related sites.

On the way over, I told him “I tried to get us in to the Lucas Electric Museum, but half the exhibits were broken so they closed early.”

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:26:32pm

There are 94 TR-6s for sale at Hemmings, ranging in price from 1858 to 45,000 dollars. So dig in, gang.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:28:18pm

re: #209 Blind Frog Belly White

You got off easy.

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William Lewis  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:28:37pm

re: #214 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

There are 94 TR-6s for sale at Hemmings, ranging in price from 1858 to 45,000 dollars. So dig in, gang.

(glances at bank balance) ah, yeah. Next lifetime maybe.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:30:43pm

re: #214 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

There are 94 TR-6s for sale at Hemmings, ranging in price from 1858 to 45,000 dollars. So dig in, gang.

And that, friends, is why I collect vintage WATCHES, not vintage CARS.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:34:10pm

re: #214 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

There are 94 TR-6s for sale at Hemmings, ranging in price from 1858 to 45,000 dollars. So dig in, gang.

Uncle sent me to Watervliet Arsenal for a couple weeks, and I got to do the Hemmings museum in Bennington. They had one of the Buckminster Fuller Dymaxions, a loaner perhaps.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:34:22pm

Just looking at the comments by stupid people who support the NN repeal today because “It’s an Obama era thing” except it’s not. It got strengthened under Obama but what your average internet user has known has been some version of NN.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:37:29pm

re: #219 HappyWarrior

Just looking at the comments by stupid people who support the NN repeal today because “It’s an Obama era thing” except it’s not. It got strengthened under Obama but what your average internet user has known has been some version of NN.

There is a surprisingly large number of disturbingly stupid people out there.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:38:58pm
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ipsos  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:39:07pm

FB just gave me the new rounded comment bubbles on the desktop site. Gawd that’s ugly (and a waste of screen space!)

Guess I’ll just spend more time over here until Comcast puts us all in the slow lane…

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:40:19pm

Read the entire thread.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:40:22pm

re: #220 Blind Frog Belly White

There is a surprisingly large number of disturbingly stupid people out there.

It’s funny but the most libertarian minded person in my family- my youngest brother is the most horrified by the decision. Hope for him yet. :)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:41:28pm

The one thing that amazes me about the NN repeal is how people who don’t trust the government to do anything right have total faith that the telecomms won’t screw people over. Healthy amount of skepticism of the government is good but so is of the business world especially the corporate world but free market absolutists don’t get that.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:44:10pm

A little truth that capitalism absolutists don’t want to hear. They view economics the same way Marxists do. The theory at the expense of what really works.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:44:36pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

Glad to see Maryland and Virginia on that list.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:44:41pm
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John_Manyjars  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:46:17pm

re: #3 A Mom Anon

you know, I’m not a violent guy but when I see that smug little turd Pai I really want t punch him.

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:46:39pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

It’s funny but the most libertarian minded person in my family- my youngest brother is horrified by the decision. Hope for him yet. :)

Not so libertarian then, eh?

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:48:45pm
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:50:09pm

re: #219 HappyWarrior

Just looking at the comments by stupid people who support the NN repeal today because “It’s an Obama era thing” except it’s not. It got strengthened under Obama but what your average internet user has known has been some version of NN.

Let’s see how happy these idiots are once their internet usage is curtailed or costs go up exponentially because of this repeal. It’s too bad that we have to hurt along with them though.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:50:25pm

re: #228 Blind Frog Belly White

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Saw my market absolutist friend say getting rid of any deregulation is good. I hope he thinks about that the next time he eats out and he eats out a lot since he’s a travelling salesman.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:51:47pm

re: #230 MsJ

Not so libertarian then, eh?

His concern for the civil liberties aspect of NN repeal took precedent over being free market here :). He actually helped me understand the issue much better.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:53:51pm

re: #232 Patricia Kayden

Let’s see how happy these idiots are once their internet usage is curtailed or costs go up exponentially because of this repeal. It’s too bad that we have to hurt along with them though.

They really have no idea that we’ve almost always had some form of NN going back to when most of us got online in the 90’s. The Obama era rules merely strengthened that. Must be nice when you hate Obama so much and have an absolutist view of economics that you don’t look at reality. As I said, free market absolutists and communists while their solutions are different, their thought process is the same bullshit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:55:09pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

Saw my market absolutist friend say getting rid of any deregulation is good. I hope he thinks about that the next time he eats out and he eats out a lot since he’s a travelling salesman.

People who grew up eating inspected meat and other foods, working in OSHA-regulated workplaces, breathing post-emissions controls air, driving post-safety regulation cars, taking FDA-regulated drugs and eating in restaurants that get health inspections have NO IDEA how bad things could be without regulations.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:56:48pm

re: #198 Charles Johnson

That’s what the Rightwing does. Mueller just has to keep doing the hard work and indicting the crooks in this regime.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:57:35pm

re: #236 Blind Frog Belly White

People who grew up eating inspected meat and other foods, working in OSHA-regulated workplaces, breathing post-emissions controls air, driving post-safety regulation cars, taking FDA-regulated drugs and eating in restaurants that get health inspections have NO IDEA how bad things could be without regulations.

Absolutely. These people have progressive economic policies to thank for their day to day life being manageable. It’s because of reform capitalism that we live better lives than our ancestors did. I am just fed up with this Hurr hurr regulations are evil bullshit. Okay, yeah some regulations I admit we could do without but as you get at, a lot of regulations do a lot of good and things would be a lot worse without them.

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:58:56pm

re: #211 electrotek

So I take it there’s no love here for vintage Australian muscle from the same era?

Can’t get them here, so there is no big desire for them.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:59:33pm

Why am I a progressive? Easy, I read history. I know the difference between the Pittsburgh my grandparents grew up in versus the city my cousins live in now. Just as I know the difference between now and the past when it comes to things like race and ethnicity. Conservatives are at heart romantics trying to return to a past that never was. Maybe far lefties are too idealistic but I’d rather dream big of the future than try to recreate the past.

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Teukka  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:01:09pm

Just gotta share this… So this “venture capitalist” got his tax adjusted here in Sweden…
1,400,000,000 SEK (SIC(!)) + 350,000,000(SIC(!)) penalty fee.
expressen.se
Almost 1,800,000,000 SEK or $211,764,705.90.
That is a financial kick in your family jewels. O.O

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:01:50pm

re: #204 The Major

Would a Opel GT from the 1970’s do ?

My aunt had one. It was real fun to drive.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:07:41pm

re: #215 Decatur Deb

You got off easy.

I may written about this before, but the same MG-owning brother was given a 1971 Plymouth Valiant by my grandfather a couple of years later. After college he moved to Philly with a friend and either someone tried to burn it or it caught on fire—I’ve never been clear. Instrument panel was completely gone. He sold it to me for a dollar. When I drove it there was no heat, no radio, no speedometer, no odometer, it stalled in the arc of left turn and you had to pump the brakes three times to get them to engage.

This is why I’m against auto inspections. That car kept me on my toes. Pumping the brakes while throwing into neutral to restart the engine in a dicey left turn also tests your friends.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:25:13pm

re: #89 makeitstop

I’m good on gas, but can you stop on the way back and pick up a couple of gallons of lead paint?

How about a few thousand pounds of ammonium nitrate? No problemo.

OK then, let’s have some RU-486. Betcha they still regulate the shit outta that!

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The Major  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:45:10pm

re: #239 ObserverArt

Can’t get them here, so there is no big desire for them.

You USED to be able to get ‘em: The late Pontiac GTO was a Holden beast car built Down Under before GM put the blade to both Pontiac and got rid of Holden.

But you than tank the Aussies for the word “Hoon” - which is used quite frequently over at Jalopnik….

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:58:00pm

re: #143 William Lewis

I am so glad I got signed up for my VA coverage this year.

Into my fourth year at the VA. I hope you get the excellent treatment I have here in Ann Arbor.

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John_Manyjars  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:20:27pm

re: #134 gocart mozart

A thoroughly nasty piece of work, our Tomi…

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John_Manyjars  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:24:25pm

re: #205 ObserverArt

I drive by their shop in SLO all the time. Great place to find hard-to-get parts and expertise.

As the (past) proud owner of a ‘67 TR4A-IRS I got to know them well!

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John_Manyjars  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:28:46pm

re: #236 Blind Frog Belly White

One can say the same about anti-vaxx sh*theads…they got to grow up disease-free, but now want to literally kill others because beliefs.


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Elvis Costello & the Imposters - Suspect My Tears The new deluxe album ‘Look Now’ out now, order here: elviscostello.lnk.to Explore more music from Elvis Costello: lnk.to Follow Elvis Costello:Facebook: facebook.comInstagram: instagram.comTwitter: twitter.comWebsite: elviscostello.com Director & Original Story - MustashrikExecutive Production - Whitney JacksonProduced by Partizan VFX Supervisor ...
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VULFPECK /// Half of the Way (Feat. Theo Katzman) VULFPECK /// Half of the Waybuy on bandcamp → vuuulf.com Theo Katzman — vocalsLarry Goldings — piano, composerRyan Lerman — guitar, composer, engineerJoey Dosik — saxWoody Goss — tambourineJack Stratton — drums, mixingJoe Dart — fender bassCory Wong — ...
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Storyhill - Blazing Out of Sight (Live at Radio Heartland)Storyhill perform "Blazing Out of Sight," from their 2007 self-titled album as well from the 2018 compilation, "Stages," live at Radio Heartland.
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How Smooth Jazz Took Over the ’90s You should give smooth jazz a chance. Subscribe to our channel! goo.gl Smooth jazz has gotten a bad rap for decades. It’s often associated with background music for elevators or the soundtrack at the dentist office. Smooth jazz is ...
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Feds Target Butina’s GOP Boyfriend as Foreign Agent Paul Erickson, a longtime Republican politico whose Russian girlfriend is in jail on charges she acted as a covert foreign agent, has been informed that he may face similar accusations. The Daily Beast reviewed a so-called “target letter” that ...
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Police: Charge Benjamin and Sara Netanyahu With Bribery in Telecom Case - Israel News - Haaretz.com The police and Israel Securities Authority on Sunday recommended indicting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyau and his wife, Sara, as well as media mogul Shaul Elovitch and his wife, Iris, for bribery and other corruption charges in the investigation dubbed ...
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