Off-Hand Genius: Courtney Barnett and Kurt Vile: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

I didn’t mean to cough on her/Forgot to add the fabric softener
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Dec. 8, 2017 | Bob Boilen — Put your love of perfection outside the office door and come in for some office fun. This collaboration between Philadelphia’s Kurt Vile and Melbourne’s Courtney Barnett is more about newfound friends poking jabs, goofing around and having fun with words than reaching any new musical heights. It’s a much welcome injection of humor in the world of rock music and if you’ve heard their collaborative album Lotta Sea Lice, you’ll find this Tiny Desk performance musically even more casual. It’s akin to hearing friends play after a few afternoon beers, which is kind of what happened. (We actually had to page folks in the building hoping for some brew and were quite surprised at what the NPR staff had stashed in the fridge.)

The two singers/songwriters/guitarists have been mutual admirers and kept bumping into one another at various festivals. They find mutual love for twang and so their songs lean country, though their respective countries are hemispheres apart.

Kurt and Courtney tend to bring out the adolescence in one another, inspiring Kurt to pick out a song he wrote when he was roughly fourteen called “Blue Cheese” about, well, I’m not sure. But lines like, “I didn’t mean to cough on her/Forgot to add the fabric softener,” just make me laugh; and in 2017, in a deeply serious political landscape, I find that quite refreshing.

Set List

“Over Everything”

“Continental Breakfast”

“Blue Cheese”

“Let It Go”

MUSICIANS

Courtney Barnett, Kurt Vile

CREDITS

Producers: Bob Boilen, Morgan Noelle Smith; Creative Director: Bob Boilen; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Videographers: Morgan Noelle Smith, Alyse Young; Production Assistant: Salvatore Maicki; Photo: Jennifer Kerrigan/NPR

For more Tiny Desk concerts, subscribe to our podcast.

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289 comments
1
Belafon  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:14:22pm

Historical information: The Saturday Night Massacre happened on October 23, 1973, but Nixon did not resign until August 9, 1974.

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ipsos  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:16:42pm

re: #1 Belafon

Historical information: The Saturday Night Massacre happened on October 23, 1973, but Nixon did not resign until August 9, 1974.

If history were to repeat at that pace, it would send Trump out of office in mid-October.

I’d gladly take that timing WRT the midterm elections a few weeks later.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:17:14pm

re: #1 Belafon

Historical information: The Saturday Night Massacre happened on October 23, 1973, but Nixon did not resign until August 9, 1974.

Things move at the speed of the internet rather than the evening news. I hope.

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jaunte  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:20:08pm
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Belafon  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:25:08pm

re: #4 jaunte

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Executive privilege applies to decisions when running the country. Attorney-client privilege applies to, obviously, communications between a client and an attorney. Neither apply in this case.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:26:02pm

Trump Vs. Bernie 2020 - The That’s Obviously Really Old People Wearing Monster Suits Election:

Godzilla vs Gamera

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:27:47pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:28:27pm

Damn it. Site is being all screwy on me again. I think the browsers I’m using have outdated security patches.

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Belafon  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:29:46pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

A great chart in the replies:

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:32:57pm

re: #9 Belafon

A great chart in the replies:

[Embedded content]

For any non-biased person, it’s quite obvious that according to that chart both sides are equally—John Cusack teen flick record scratch!!!

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Belafon  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:40:12pm
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:41:44pm

File under: Not surprised. Tweety has always been a gigantic asshole who constantly interrupts his guest, especially women. I hope they fire him and give Joy Ann Reid his time slot.

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teleskiguy  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:43:03pm

I give up. Site is completely borked and I don’t know what to do to make it better.

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Targetpractice  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:44:14pm

A piece of advice from a layman to Trump’s lawyers: If at any time in your letter alleging illegal acts by another party you say something to the effect of “There oughta be a law!,” then you’ve acknowledged that no laws were broken.

You know, just food for thought.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:46:45pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

I give up. Site is completely borked and I don’t know what to do to make it better.

Delete your website data, the cookies ‘n shit. If just deleting the LGF data doesn’t do it delete it all, third party advertiser cookies might be fucking up the display. That’s how I fixed the problem with embedded tweets I was having a couple weeks ago.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:47:57pm

re: #9 Belafon

Wow. Didn’t realize how corrupt Reagan’s administration was. Wonder if Trump can break his record.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:48:45pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:50:14pm

goddamnedfrank, I’ve tried that multiple times, to no avail. And when I post this comment, back to the front page I go.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:51:36pm

“Most interesting… His hands are quite small, aren’t they?”

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:51:46pm

re: #18 teleskiguy

goddamnedfrank, I’ve tried that multiple times, to no avail. And when I post this comment, back to the front page I go.

Have you tried logging out, shutting down and restarting? How about blowing on the cartridge?

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Belafon  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:54:06pm

re: #18 teleskiguy

goddamnedfrank, I’ve tried that multiple times, to no avail. And when I post this comment, back to the front page I go.

That’s exactly the behavior I was having with Invincea at work and this website about 6 or 8 months ago. Mine occurred in a Bob Cesca show thread. Whenever that audio plugin was used, I would get exactly the same behavior as you. Is it occurring on every thread? It easy to tell because the formatting buttons are gone, the rate buttons don’t work, and, as you said, editing sends you back to the home page.

Edit: Mine finally fixed when Invincea upgraded.

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Targetpractice  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:54:18pm

re: #20 goddamnedfrank

Have you tried logging out, shutting down and restarting? How about blowing on the cartridge?

The IT Crowd: Have you tried turning it off and on again… is it really plugged in?

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:54:47pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

I give up. Site is completely borked and I don’t know what to do to make it better.

I’m not having any trouble. Must be my C-64.

re: #16 Patricia Kayden

Wow. Didn’t realize how corrupt Reagan’s administration was. Wonder if Trump can break his record.

Iran-Contra. In other words, conspiring with foreign government (selling weapons to Iran) to fund a combat Congress specifically wrote a law against doing (Nicaragua).

Some of the parallels here are eerie.

There is a reason I have never willingly voted for a Republican.

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teleskiguy  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:54:49pm

goddamnedfrank, I can’t log out, nothing happens when I click the LGF menu. Nothing happens when I click on anything. I would normally tap reply to your comment but nothing happens. I’ve traied all of that, I’ve restarted my computer three times tonight.

And with that, I’ll hit “Post It” and back to the front page I go.

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teleskiguy  Dec 16, 2017 • 8:58:19pm

It’s obviously on my end ‘cause everybody else seems to be fine. This is really pissing me off.

Back to the front page I go.

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Belafon  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:00:35pm

re: #25 teleskiguy

Does this thread cause you problems: littlegreenfootballs.com
This one doesn’t have an embedded video.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:00:55pm

Sergio Leone’s Once Upon a Time, Well Actually Just a Minute Ago, in America

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Kilroy was here  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:01:13pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

goddamnedfrank, I can’t log out, nothing happens when I click the LGF menu. Nothing happens when I click on anything. I would normally tap reply to your comment but nothing happens. I’ve traied all of that, I’ve restarted my computer three times tonight.

And with that, I’ll hit “Post It” and back to the front page I go.

If you restarted by hitting reset you may want to try shutting down.. waiting for 30 seconds and starting up the system fresh.

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teleskiguy  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:02:09pm

Belafon, yup. Nothing works on that thread.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:03:34pm

re: #25 teleskiguy

It’s obviously on my end ‘cause everybody else seems to be fine. This is really pissing me off.

Back to the front page I go.

When that happened to me, disabling extensions fixed it. The weird thing was that I re-enabled them all one by one, and did not encounter the problem again.

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Belafon  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:04:49pm

re: #27 De Kolta Chair

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:09:02pm

nymag.com

Andrew Sullivan, not a particular friend to liberals, is going off in his column in The New Yorker on conservatives and their baseless attacks against Mr. Mueller. He even goes after the National Review. Notably, he does not try to magic balance-fariest this issue.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:09:37pm

XG6ZmHjhTy9EtqpGL3HOFFexdDHbfhxrd+GjZg+zBiVCFw76C5MqWVm8yFwg8/tWvcZHmu2eWAaCrxsRukMN1tn0cQb+ypaR5nPfzBKO8Deu2V1d9k24ykTKDfoZ+dULJUeRu8Y1BBJiS3md0v6l8YZ7R0gOQmuc6xqvgW8fHJornIM2LOdacZdWQRXlsdxu089+S6Zq0EL1KUHbGQlS8A==

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teleskiguy  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:13:15pm

I’m very frustrated. I’m going to walk away now before I punch a hole in my monitor.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:13:31pm

re: #32 Anymouse 🌹

nymag.com

Andrew Sullivan, not a particular friend to liberals, is going off in his column in The New Yorker on conservatives and their baseless attacks against Mr. Mueller. He even goes after the National Review. Notably, he does not try to magic balance-fariest this issue.

Maybe Mr. Tory has come to his senses and finally realized that Republicans hate gays and lesbians…

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:14:18pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:15:32pm

re: #36 Anymouse 🌹

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Oh something tells me that the Moore’s Jewish Lawyer was “born again”…

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:16:02pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

I’m very frustrated. I’m going to walk away now before I punch a hole in my monitor.

I’m sorry you’re having trouble. I posed your problem to my wife, and she only suggested the same sorts of things the folk here have.

I guess your solution is to marry a software engineer. /s

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Stanley Sea  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:16:42pm

re: #36 Anymouse 🌹

[Embedded content]

They were looking for the Rabbi.

The Jewish lawyer prob does exist

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:17:55pm

Trolling the CDC:

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:19:47pm
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MsJ  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:21:16pm

re: #9 Belafon

A great chart in the replies:

[Embedded content]

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:21:43pm

LOL:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:24:11pm

I’m waiting for Jim Bakker to push this on his show…

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:26:06pm

Tropical Storm Kai-Tek (currently in the middle of the Philippine Archipelago) is now downgraded to a tropical depression.

It was originally expected to strike Vietnam, but JTWC is now predicting dissipation after it clears The Philippines.
usno.navy.mil

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:27:02pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

They were looking for the Rabbi.

The Jewish lawyer prob does exist

Yes, but Jay Sekulow is already on the Orange Foolius team!

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:29:33pm

Pretty damn pointless since the the US will simply veto it.
Though, it would be interesting to see how the other 4 permanent members (China, France, Russia, United Kingdom, United States) would vote, and the other 10 current members.

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Belafon  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:32:20pm

re: #47 FormerDirtDart

Pretty damn pointless since the the US will simply veto it.
Though, it would be interesting to see how the other 4 permanent members (China, France, Russia, United Kingdom, United States) would vote, and the other 10 current members.

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I actually expect Russia to vote for it.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:34:46pm

re: #48 Belafon

I actually expect Russia to vote for it.

I was thinking that too, if just to say “Not the puppet, not the puppet. He’s the puppet.”

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:36:57pm

No commitment yet from Netflix

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:38:07pm
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KingKenrod  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:40:00pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

I’m very frustrated. I’m going to walk away now before I punch a hole in my monitor.

If you are using Chrome, try an incognito window. That works for me sometimes, when sites start to act up.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:42:17pm

The United Kingdom now suffering the same effect of xenophobia that Georgia and Alabama did a few years ago.

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teleskiguy  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:45:13pm

re: #52 KingKenrod

Nope, that didn’t work. The site works better on my iPad, which is where this is being typed. One thing I noticed on my desktop, when I sign in to LGF, the Create a Page button is missing and the front page articles are staggered, not uniform when you scroll down, in addition to everything else I’ve bitched about tonight.

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BigPapa  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:51:26pm

Very interesting conjecture: Trumpkins had no idea Mueller had all of their emails for months while he questioned them because they had a guy at the GSA which would lock their shit down. But he got really sick for a few months and Mueller came when he was in the hospital on his death bed.

Holy shit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2017 • 9:53:10pm
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Belafon  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:00:49pm

I have been thinking a bit about Democratic leadership. I’m not big on changing people because they are old because having been young once, and currently being 48, I know that inexperienced young people can cause great damage. But I do think we need to think about making major changes in our leadership over the next few years.

We talk at times about what has made the party timid since the 40s, 50s, and 60s. I believe the answer to that is what happened to the party in the 60s under LBJ. This has nothing to do with the Vietnam war, but with the passage of two sets of laws. The first was Medicare and Medicaid. These helped quite a few Americans, including a large number of whites. You would think that would have ensured a large amount of support from Americans. But then the Democrats passed the CRA and VRA. And rather than being the party helped all Americans, the party became the party that helped n******, and, as supposedly predicted by LBJ, we’ve lost the white vote ever since.

I think far too many people in our party remember that. It’s what drives them to be reserved about passing sweeping laws. And it’s not entirely hard to blame them. Even the ACA has been used by conservatives to attack Democrats because they’re helping minorities, even as whites have come to realize they need it.

But that timidity has cost us. It has given Democrats an excuse to tune out. It’s made it hard for major legislation to come to the floor (think of the stimulus, where party Democrats cut the value in half).

I think that’s where Obama made some great progress. He wasn’t just the first post-Vietnam president. He’s the first president who missed the backlash against helping blacks. Other than reading history, he has no memories of the cost of passing such major legislation.

I think it’s going to take people willing to pass those kinds of laws. But to pass them, it’s going to take people who are unafraid to go after the big things. It’s also going to take people who understand that we can do it for all Americans.

And the optimist in me sees this Trump administration as a sort of gift. The next Democrats have the opportunity to take advantage of an energized base that looks like its finally paying attention. We’ll need some people to use that, and use it for all Americans. And if Democrats can stay together for a while, it won’t get punished for trying to do the right thing.

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BigPapa  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:01:46pm

If the coupe de grace for the Trumpkins is their emails… epic universal mega karma.

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teleskiguy  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:02:23pm

I may sound conspiratorial here, but LGF is the only website where I’m having significant trouble, everything else seems fine, other than the fact that now sites load up slow as shit now.

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Belafon  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:02:48pm
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Belafon  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:04:02pm

re: #59 teleskiguy

I may sound conspiratorial here, but LGF is the only website where I’m having significant trouble, everything else seems fine, other than the fact that now sites load up slow as shit now.

The speed issue may be preventing all of an LGF page to download. This is a great site, but it has a lot of things that have to work together to make it so cool.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:04:23pm

re: #56 Anymouse 🌹

I think it’s more likely Mueller will have an inbox full of emails from brand new Hotmail accounts, requesting an in person meeting.

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majii  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:06:44pm

re: #55 BigPapa

“Very interesting conjecture: Trumpkins had no idea Mueller had all of their emails for months while he questioned them because they had a guy at the GSA which would lock their shit down. But he got really sick for a few months and Mueller came when he was in the hospital on his death bed.”

I can imagine that most of the members of the Trump transition team probably had no idea that the server they were using were owned by us. They were too stupid to realize that if they used a federally-owned server, the records didn’t belong to them in the first place even when they had their guy in place at the GSA.

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allegro  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:06:45pm

re: #58 BigPapa

If the coupe de grace for the Trumpkins is their emails… epic universal mega karma.

In the immortal word of Rick Perry: oops.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:07:04pm

re: #59 teleskiguy

I may sound conspiratorial here, but LGF is the only website where I’m having significant trouble, everything else seems fine, other than the fact that now sites load up slow as shit now.

Have you tried a different browser?

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teleskiguy  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:07:54pm

re: #65 wheat-dogg

Four different browsers. Five if you count this here iPad, which runs the site better than my desktop.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:08:03pm

re: #59 teleskiguy

I may sound conspiratorial here, but LGF is the only website where I’m having significant trouble, everything else seems fine, other than the fact that now sites load up slow as shit now.

Could your ISP be throttling your speeds in the wake of the FCC’s horrid decision?

Is LGF doing this for you in all browsers (I have more than one browser so I can switch when I’m having trouble)?

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JordanRules  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:09:01pm

re: #63 majii

I think they did know which is one of the reasons they had to get their guy in there, just like getting Sessions at DOJ.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:11:27pm

re: #68 JordanRules

I think they did know which is one of the reasons they had to get their guy in there, just like getting Sessions at DOJ.

Well, you’d think they’d find some way to check in with their guy to find out if … you know … he was alive.

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BigPapa  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:11:53pm

Tele, I wonder if you have a DNS issue. Open DOS and ping littlegreenfootballs.com.

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teleskiguy  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:12:00pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:13:15pm

re: #70 BigPapa

If I knew what that was I would try it.

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BigPapa  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:15:34pm

So the same FBI that took a look at Hillary’s emails right before the election, then dropped the Comey Letter days before the election, that’s the FBI that was in the tank for Hillary helping her to win the election?

Ookaay!

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Belafon  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:16:14pm

re: #72 teleskiguy

If I knew what that was I would try it.

Open a dos prompt and type:

ping littlegreenfootballs.com

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JordanRules  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:16:35pm

re: #69 Anymouse 🌹

Too busy being criminal I guess.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:17:06pm

re: #73 BigPapa

So the same FBI that took a look at Hillary’s emails right before the election, then dropped the Comey Letter days before the election, that’s the FBI that was in the tank for Hillary helping her to win the election?

Ookaay!

Logic is not a strong suit of conservatism. Holding and maintaining power is its strong suit.

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JordanRules  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:17:32pm

re: #73 BigPapa

And she still didn’t win. Weird plan yahoos.

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BigPapa  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:17:36pm

re: #72 teleskiguy

Message me on FB if you want to try. I’m not a serious IT admin but I know a few things.

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Belafon  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:17:56pm

re: #75 JordanRules

Too busy being criminal I guess.

Once they had the guy in place, everyone forgot why he was there.

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Belafon  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:18:46pm

re: #78 BigPapa

Message me on FB if you want to try. I’m not a serious IT admin but I know a few things.

I wonder if something got set up as a proxy on his computer.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:21:11pm

Twist at the finish

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Belafon  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:21:46pm
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makeitstop  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:22:45pm

re: #63 majii

“Very interesting conjecture: Trumpkins had no idea Mueller had all of their emails for months while he questioned them because they had a guy at the GSA which would lock their shit down. But he got really sick for a few months and Mueller came when he was in the hospital on his death bed.”

I can imagine that most of the members of the Trump transition team probably had no idea that the server they were using were owned by us. They were too stupid to realize that if they used a federally-owned server, the records didn’t belong to them in the first place even when they had their guy in place at the GSA.

And Trumps have acted this way before, during the Trump Soho episode that nearly got Junior and Evita indicted. They were essentially telling prospective buyers that a lot more units were sold than there actually were, which was illegal. One of their real estate agents was worried about it and mentioned it to Junior in an email. Junior told the agent not to worry about it because no one but the people in the email loop knew about it.

But prosecutors had the emails, and it took Mark Kasowitz bribing the Manhattan DA to make it go away.

Stupid people tend to make the same mistakes over and over.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:26:49pm

re: #83 makeitstop

And Trumps have acted this way before, during the Trump Soho episode that nearly got Junior and Evita indicted. They were essentially telling prospective buyers that a lot more units were sold than there actually were, which was illegal. One of their real estate agents was worried about it and mentioned it to Junior in an email. Junior told the agent not to worry about it because no one but the people in the email loop knew about it.

But prosecutors had the emails, and it took Mark Kasowitz bribing the Manhattan DA to make it go away.

Stupid people tend to make the same mistakes over and over.

For one, none of them seem to understand emails are inherently not private or secure, unless you use encryption. They might as well be passing notes to each other on billboards.

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makeitstop  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:31:56pm

re: #84 wheat-dogg

For one, none of them seem to understand emails are inherently not private or secure, unless you use encryption. They might as well be passing notes to each other on billboards.

And they probably very stupidly discussed a myriad of crimes (possibly all implicating each other in all of them) thinking they were the only ones who would ever know.

Their hubris made them believe they were bulletproof. Fools.

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Targetpractice  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:33:22pm

re: #53 Anymouse 🌹

The United Kingdom now suffering the same effect of xenophobia that Georgia and Alabama did a few years ago.

[Embedded content]

The laborers who now come to Britain tend to be older and less skilled, according to farmers, who say hiring British workers is nearly impossible. “It’s disappointing that you can’t recruit U.K. nationals,” said Mr. Hardman of Hops, the agency that recruits seasonal laborers. “It’s not attractive for them. They find it beneath them.”

People vote for Brexit because “all those foreigners are taking our jobs,” then jobs become plentiful and the Brexit crowd immediately changes their tune to “I don’t want no job picking fruit!”

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Belafon  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:39:36pm

re: #86 Targetpractice

An interesting movie my son and I watched a few years ago: Sleep Dealer:

Sleep Dealer depicts a dystopian future to explore ways in which technology both oppresses and connects migrants.[2] A fortified wall has ended unauthorized Mexico-US immigration, but migrant workers are replaced by robots, remotely controlled by the same class of would-be emigrants. Their life force is inevitably used up, and they are discarded without medical compensation.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:39:47pm

re: #85 makeitstop

And they probably very stupidly discussed a myriad of crimes (possibly all implicating each other in all of them) thinking they were the only ones who would ever know.

Their hubris made them believe they were bulletproof. Fools.

It’s a combo of hubris and ignorance of technology. A very careful and clever operation could have kept all their shenanigans under wraps much longer. Instead, they were overconfident, assuming once they were in power, they could control the media and the Feds. You can tell these idiots were from outside the Beltway. They assumed they could walk right in to DC, and everyone would bow to their wishes. Maybe the lackeys in Congress have, but the FBI and the judiciary are a different story.

We should be grateful Trump & Co. were neither clever nor careful, though.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:40:23pm

A small bit of local good news:

The plumber scoped the interior of my home’s sewer line with a camera to find the extent of the damage, and checked the level of the entire line.

He found that the whole line didn’t need replacement (though part of it did). He replaced the portion of the sagging iron line, and secured the remainder of it properly so it wouldn’t sag from gravity in the future.

The total price to repair the line was 60% lower than the original estimate ($400 vice $1,000). That leaves me more money if we need to flee for Mexico or Canada… .

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wheat-dogg  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:42:19pm

BBIAB

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:43:14pm

re: #84 wheat-dogg

For one, none of them seem to understand emails are inherently not private or secure, unless you use encryption. They might as well be passing notes to each other on billboards.

Encryption isn’t even necessarily secure. (It has to be unencrypted on both ends, and IPs can still be traced.)

Plain old letter mail is much more secure (putting a letter into billions of letters is a lot harder to figure out), as long as you don’t keep a copy after you’re done with it.

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A Cranky One  Dec 16, 2017 • 10:52:22pm

re: #84 wheat-dogg

For one, none of them seem to understand emails are inherently not private or secure, unless you use encryption. They might as well be passing notes to each other on billboards.

They should have “acid washed” their emails.

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BigPapa  Dec 16, 2017 • 11:11:18pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 16, 2017 • 11:20:31pm

So. I am going to see House of Waters in Chi. in Feb. I am so psyched. And it’s because of Charles that I even heard of them… and so many other musical artists. Thank you sir!

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teleskiguy  Dec 16, 2017 • 11:23:50pm

Well, BigPapa walked me through some things to try and figure out why LGF is borked on my desktop, including changing my DNS to Google. It seems hopeless, LGF is totally effed on all of my different browsers, even after purging of cookies and hard resets on the computer itself. Very frustrating.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 16, 2017 • 11:25:18pm

re: #95 teleskiguy

Well, BigPapa walked me through some things to try and figure out why LGF is borked on my desktop, including changing my DNS to Google. It seems hopeless, LGF is totally effed on all of my different browsers, even after purging of cookies and hard resets on the computer itself. Very frustrating.

Your computer is telling you that you need to move to Nebraska. /s

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 16, 2017 • 11:45:30pm

re: #95 teleskiguy

Well, BigPapa walked me through some things to try and figure out why LGF is borked on my desktop, including changing my DNS to Google. It seems hopeless, LGF is totally effed on all of my different browsers, even after purging of cookies and hard resets on the computer itself. Very frustrating.

Have you tried using Spy Mode? Are you using any browser extensions?

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teleskiguy  Dec 16, 2017 • 11:46:41pm

re: #97 goddamnedfrank

Yes. No browser extensions.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 16, 2017 • 11:53:37pm

Oh wow this thread explains a lot.

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BigPapa  Dec 16, 2017 • 11:54:51pm

The bombshell of Mueller having the emails and Trumpkins freaking out with the whiny letter to congress is overshadowing the DOJ releasing the tweets of FBI agents to make them look biased. I don’t see Sessions escaping this new little shitshow.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 17, 2017 • 12:06:45am

re: #100 BigPapa

The bombshell of Mueller having the emails and Trumpkins freaking out with the whiny letter to congress is overshadowing the DOJ releasing the tweets of FBI agents to make them look biased. I don’t see Sessions escaping this new little shitshow.

Mueller’s team having the transition emails is the Sword of Damocles hanging over the Trump Administration. No matter what Trump does now to try and undermine Mueller and the FBI those emails are going to make it clear that Trump’s team have been flagrantly lying and engaging in a criminal conspiracy against the laws of the United States since the very beginning.

They’re so fucked.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2017 • 12:07:41am

Sad family news for me. (No, no one died)

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ericblair  Dec 17, 2017 • 12:12:33am

re: #91 Anymouse 🌹

Encryption isn’t even necessarily secure. (It has to be unencrypted on both ends, and IPs can still be traced.)

Plain old letter mail is much more secure (putting a letter into billions of letters is a lot harder to figure out), as long as you don’t keep a copy after you’re done with it.

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a panel truck full of CD ROMs, or the communication security of a CD ROM in a brown packing envelope with delivery confirmation.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2017 • 12:16:42am

re: #103 ericblair

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a panel truck full of CD ROMs, or the communication security of a CD ROM in a brown packing envelope with delivery confirmation.

—— or… .

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.—Andrew S. Tanenbaum, computer scientist

.

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ericblair  Dec 17, 2017 • 12:28:46am

re: #104 Anymouse 🌹

—— or… .
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.—Andrew S. Tanenbaum, computer scientist

Yeah, but these bloody kids wouldn’t know a magtape if it flapped them in the ass.

Offa my lawn.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2017 • 12:36:46am

Mild LOL (I guess that would be an LOL) parodying Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin

Back In The USSR - Parody Song

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 17, 2017 • 12:39:50am

Netflix’s Bright is the Shadowrun movie I’ve been waiting for.

Bright | Official Trailer [HD] | Netflix

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wheat-dogg  Dec 17, 2017 • 12:49:07am

re: #107 goddamnedfrank

Netflix’s Bright is the Shadowrun movie I’ve been waiting for.

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Video

It’s like Alien Nation crossed with Lord of the Rings.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 17, 2017 • 12:54:07am

Moar economic anxiety …

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Dec 17, 2017 • 12:58:28am

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

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Obviously these idiots (both in the Trump inner circle and the RWNJ sycophants) have forgotten the first rule of FBI (and by extension, Mueller’s) interviews :

The ONLY questions that are asked are the ones that the interrogators already know the answers to.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 17, 2017 • 1:02:24am

re: #110 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Obviously these idiots (both in the Trump inner circle and the RWNJ sycophants) have forgotten the first rule of FBI (and by extension, Mueller’s) interviews :

The ONLY questions that are asked are the ones that the interrogators already know the answers to.

Haven’t they ever seen an episode of Law & Order, or even Columbo?

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2017 • 1:09:41am

re: #109 wheat-dogg

That alleged quote about President Obama saying everyone had to speak English, nope.

Although the video doesn’t show it, it implies as soon as the police arrived she left. On some level she either knew she was wrong (or thought she was being persecuted). I imagine she won’t be back to Starbucks, and I imagine that store won’t miss her.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 17, 2017 • 1:15:10am

re: #112 Anymouse 🌹

That alleged quote about President Obama saying everyone had to speak English, nope.

Although the video doesn’t show it, it implies as soon as the police arrived she left. On some level she either knew she was wrong (or thought she was being persecuted). I imagine she won’t be back to Starbucks, and I imagine that store won’t miss her.

Yup, the only politicians who say English is required are Republicans, who can barely speak English some of them. She was doing a trump and making shit up to suit the occasion.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2017 • 1:21:11am

re: #113 wheat-dogg

Yup, the only politicians who say English is required are Republicans, who can barely speak English some of them. She was doing a trump and making shit up to suit the occasion.

We apparently have free speech, only as long as that speech is English.

Could have also been upset she couldn’t eavesdrop on them. (An amazing number of people seem to think when they hear two people speaking a different language, it must be something bad about the eavesdropper.)

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wheat-dogg  Dec 17, 2017 • 1:22:47am

re: #114 Anymouse 🌹

We apparently have free speech, only as long as that speech is English.

Could have also been upset she couldn’t eavesdrop on them. (An amazing number of people seem to think when they hear two people speaking a different language, it must be something bad about the eavesdropper.)

There is that, too. Mistrust of the “other”.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2017 • 1:52:08am

Well, I’m going to bail out for the night. G’night y’all. Send snow.

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Lupin  Dec 17, 2017 • 3:01:04am

It has always been clear that Trump Empire is a criminal enterprise that has only been kept afloat by Russian money laundering.

If the rats are panicking now, I’d be inclined to believe that it is also because they’ve found out that Deutsche Bank released some very incriminating documents. (Have we heard anything recent about that?)

Still, with Congress and the DOJ in the hands of the same criminals, I see no reasons yet to think that actual prosecutions or impeachment will follow.

This reminds me of the Star Trek TOS episode “A Piece of the Action.”

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William Lewis  Dec 17, 2017 • 3:09:59am

re: #117 Lupin

Still, with Congress and the DOJ in the hands of the same criminals, I see no reasons yet to think that actual prosecutions or impeachment will follow.

New York State Attorney General’s Office. No Presidential Pardons allowed ;)

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teleskiguy  Dec 17, 2017 • 3:23:40am
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teleskiguy  Dec 17, 2017 • 3:28:52am
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teleskiguy  Dec 17, 2017 • 3:35:42am

re: #120 teleskiguy

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Decatur Deb  Dec 17, 2017 • 3:39:02am

re: #120 teleskiguy

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For the last couple days I’ve occasionally had one of your symptoms—when I try to look at someone’s upding counter, the screen goes to a dim shading and hangs there until I mouse it. then it returns to bright. I’ve also lost the ability to play some embedded videos. That’s a recurrence of an old problem that Charles fixed, IIRC.

In my case, I’ve attributed these glitches to upgrading to FF 57.xx.

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teleskiguy  Dec 17, 2017 • 3:45:27am

re: #122 Decatur Deb

On my desktop PC on four different browsers the site is totally borked. Nothing works, *nothing.* Can’t access my images, can’t create a Page (the button is gone), can’t ding, can’t look at user profiles, and if I comment the second I tap ‘Post It’ it kicks me right back to the front page. It’s rather disheartening.

*typed from my iPad in Spy Mode*

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Decatur Deb  Dec 17, 2017 • 3:47:14am

re: #123 teleskiguy

On my desktop PC on four different browsers the site is totally borked. Nothing works, *nothing.* Can’t access my images, can’t create a Page (the button is gone), can’t ding, can’t look at user profiles, and if I comment the second I tap ‘Post It’ it kicks me right back to the front page. It’s rather disheartening.

*typed from my iPad in Spy Mode*

If Putin’s skiers don’t get to compete, no skiers get to compute.

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teleskiguy  Dec 17, 2017 • 3:48:56am

re: #124 Decatur Deb

If Putin’s skiers don’t get to compete, no skiers get to compute.

Son of a bitch! That almost makes sense!

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Decatur Deb  Dec 17, 2017 • 3:52:39am

re: #125 teleskiguy

Son of a bitch! That almost makes sense!

But not logical sense.
poetryfoundation.org

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teleskiguy  Dec 17, 2017 • 3:52:52am

I swear I’ve never had problems with LGF on my desktop computers over the years, never. One of the primary reasons why I think this site is the best, it always works! I know it still works like a Swiss clock and the shit I’m dealing with is on my end? I have to ask, what the fuck am I dealing with?

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freetoken  Dec 17, 2017 • 3:54:45am

re: #127 teleskiguy

On my Mac, LGF works fine other than the inability to play embedded videos from twitter, but on the whole my computer doesn’t play most twitter and facebook video embeds.

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teleskiguy  Dec 17, 2017 • 3:58:30am

re: #128 freetoken

What I’m experiencing is a website where all the cool functions that make it cool are broken. I can’t even look at my karma!

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wheat-dogg  Dec 17, 2017 • 4:04:34am

re: #129 teleskiguy

I can’t even look at my karma!

Sounds rather zen.

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teleskiguy  Dec 17, 2017 • 4:06:04am

Oh hey! It’s five in the morning MST and now LGF functions like it should when I use it.

*typed from my desktop, and for once I’m not kicked back to the front page!*

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teleskiguy  Dec 17, 2017 • 4:06:57am

re: #130 wheat-dogg

Sounds rather zen.

I was able to ding this on my desktop! I haven’t been able to ding for almost 12 hours.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 17, 2017 • 4:08:28am

re: #132 teleskiguy

I was able to ding this on my desktop! I haven’t been able to ding for almost 12 hours.

Too easy.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 17, 2017 • 4:08:36am

re: #132 teleskiguy

I was able to ding this! I haven’t been able to ding for almost 12 hours.

So, possible explanations.
- your ISP does maintenance in the wee hours
- your ISP throttles bandwidth in the wee hours
- night shift at the ISP was streaming a lot of porn

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teleskiguy  Dec 17, 2017 • 4:10:49am

I know I may sound like a tinfoil hat wearing freak, but the fact that LGF was kneecapped on my main desktop computer in my home all Saturday night into this morning but was more or less functional on my iPad? I’m weary, probably a little paranoid, and (for now) relieved that as of early morning MST LGF is working fine for me.

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teleskiguy  Dec 17, 2017 • 4:12:38am

This is a test. A picture of my ski bindings from my Image Library, which I could not access until, uh, now.

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teleskiguy  Dec 17, 2017 • 4:16:22am

re: #134 wheat-dogg

So, possible explanations.
- your ISP does maintenance in the wee hours
- your ISP throttles bandwidth in the wee hours
- night shift at the ISP was streaming a lot of porn

The first two are false. I often do internets “in the wee hours” and Lizards know that about me, I’ve never had the problems I encountered in these wee hours, never. So maybe there was a lot of porn watching. I can maybe believe that. Lots of young wannabe ski bums that are underemployed (lack of snow around these parts is pretty fucked) and excited for deep snow, and horny.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 17, 2017 • 4:17:56am

re: #137 teleskiguy

The first two are false. I often do internets “in the wee hours” and Lizards know that about me, I’ve never had the problems I encountered in these wee hours, never. So maybe there was a lot of porn watching. I can maybe believe that. Lots of young wannabe ski bums that are underemployed (lack of snow around these parts is pretty fucked) and excited for deep snow, and horny.

But you say your iPhone was not affected. So, the last one makes no sense (though it might still be true).

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teleskiguy  Dec 17, 2017 • 4:21:48am

re: #138 wheat-dogg

But you say your iPhone was not affected. So, the last one makes no sense (though it might still be true).

My *iPad* which is connected to the WiFi on my main internet connection, which is connected by ethernet cable from the router to the computer.

Yeah, man. I’m completely baffled. Hell, I’m typing this comment right now and I will hit ‘Post It’ and I know I’m not going straight to the front page as has been happening since yesterday evening.

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teleskiguy  Dec 17, 2017 • 4:22:58am

You know what they say about ski towns? Guy to gal ratio is six to one, the goods are odd!

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jeffreyw  Dec 17, 2017 • 4:23:13am

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Good morning! The talented Mrs J makes kitteh beds with donated fabric and stuffings of various sorts, using patterns she finds online.

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She has willing and diligent kitteh bed testers…

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and platoons of grateful fans.

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teleskiguy  Dec 17, 2017 • 4:25:07am

LGF works now for me, but one thing hasn’t changed since yesterday, shit loads super slow.

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MsJ  Dec 17, 2017 • 4:29:52am

re: #128 freetoken

On my Mac, LGF works fine other than the inability to play embedded videos from twitter, but on the whole my computer doesn’t play most twitter and facebook video embeds.

Click the embedded video three times. I have to do that every time. It will play in the third click.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2017 • 4:50:21am

re: #131 teleskiguy

Oh hey! It’s five in the morning MST and now LGF functions like it should when I use it.

*typed from my desktop, and for once I’m not kicked back to the front page!*

I guess you don’t have to move to Nebraska after all. /s

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2017 • 4:53:40am

re: #134 wheat-dogg

So, possible explanations.
- your ISP does maintenance in the wee hours
- your ISP throttles bandwidth in the wee hours
- night shift at the ISP was streaming a lot of porn

I’m not admitting number three.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 17, 2017 • 4:54:12am

re: #109 wheat-dogg

I would have laughed in her face in regard to her claim that President Obama said that all Americans must speak English. President Obama isn’t a racist idiot so naw. That sounds like something Trump would say.

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Nyet  Dec 17, 2017 • 4:55:37am

re: #145 Anymouse 🌹

I’m not admitting number three.

You work for the ISP?

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 17, 2017 • 4:59:52am

re: #81 FormerDirtDart

It’s interesting how Fox is different from Fox News inasmuch as Fox allows its shows to mock Trump while Fox News does nothing but shill for him.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 17, 2017 • 5:12:54am

re: #147 Nyet

You work for the ISP?

I misread his comment. Only after time ran out for editing did I recognise he was talking about ISP workers.

I suppose it could be that there are a lot of people doing research in Colorado to write Romance novels this morning.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 17, 2017 • 5:34:07am

re: #149 Anymouse 🌹

I misread his comment. Only after time ran out for editing did I recognise he was talking about ISP workers.

I suppose it could be that there are a lot of people doing research in Colorado to write Romance novels this morning.

Hand on research, as it were

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2017 • 5:41:41am

re: #146 Patricia Kayden

I would have laughed in her face in regard to her claim that President Obama said that all Americans must speak English. President Obama isn’t a racist idiot so naw. That sounds like something Trump would say.

It honestly amazes me why people get so upset at strangers speaking another language. Honestly I enjoy it. I was at a baseball game this summer with my brother’s SiL and her husband, both are native Spanish speakers. We had some Spanish speakers in the seats ahead of us. My Dad and I were curious about where they were from. SIL’s husband told us the DR or Puerto Rico, he explained that their Spanish is very different than his or sil. They ended up being Dominicans and really nice people.

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BigPapa  Dec 17, 2017 • 5:48:50am

To help troubleshoot my Lizard friend’s LGF page loads I’m downloading a lot of porn right now. All the good stuff too: East German outdoor furniture fetish, shoe humping, and Australian outback camping gear Cosplay. The good stuff. I’m doing it for all of you.

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BigPapa  Dec 17, 2017 • 5:51:58am

So this is the stage of marriage I’m in with Wifey:

Wake up with lights on, TV on, and Macy’s small holiday jewelry catalog laid on my head. I don’t know if it’s a hint or Wifey zonked out and left it on my big ass head thinking it was a nightstand.

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makeitstop  Dec 17, 2017 • 6:09:26am

Like always, the Trumps and their lackeys think the rules do not apply to them.

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makeitstop  Dec 17, 2017 • 6:11:28am

re: #153 BigPapa

So this is the stage of marriage I’m in with Wifey:

Wake up with lights on, TV on, and Macy’s small holiday jewelry catalog laid on my head. I don’t know if it’s a hint or Wifey zonked out and left it on my big ass head thinking it was a nightstand.

Better to take it as a hint.

If she didn’t intend it that way and you get her a nice trinket, you’ll be a hero. But if she did and you don’t

Don’t chance it.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 17, 2017 • 6:16:54am

re: #36 Anymouse 🌹

A lying Christian!! Shocking. /s

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ObserverArt  Dec 17, 2017 • 6:17:46am

re: #154 makeitstop

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Like always, the Trumps and their lackeys think the rules do not apply to them.

Since last night when it was revealed that Mueller had the transition team emails I have been enjoying a simple hope.

Would it not be sweet that it is emails that bring The Big Orange Don down?

Oh yeah…that would be so, so sweet.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 17, 2017 • 6:20:04am

re: #53 Anymouse 🌹

The United Kingdom now suffering the same effect of xenophobia that Georgia and Alabama did a few years ago.

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Xenophobia is expensive. Hope all those Brexiters are happy now.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 17, 2017 • 6:23:30am

re: #151 HappyWarrior

You’re a normal human being though. I can’t imagine having the nerve to tell strangers to speak English — including in my own house. Hubby and his family speak Haitian Creole which I don’t fully understand and I don’t freak out about it. I’m glad that woman was removed from the premises. Perhaps she has learned a lesson.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 17, 2017 • 6:25:37am

re: #154 makeitstop

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Like always, the Trumps and their lackeys think the rules do not apply to them.

When I sign on my computer at work there is an explicit warning on the screen that everything is recorded. Also twice a year I have to sign an agreement that everything is tracked and stored for security purposes by Social Security. It’s been that way ever since we had desktops installed in 1987!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 17, 2017 • 6:27:18am

re: #158 Patricia Kayden

Xenophobia is expensive. Hope all those Brexiters are happy now.

They’re almost as happy as the Alabama and Georgia farmers are who see their crops rot in the fields…

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sagehen  Dec 17, 2017 • 6:28:07am

re: #120 teleskiguy

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“Even paranoids have real enemies.”

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ipsos  Dec 17, 2017 • 6:28:10am

re: #159 Patricia Kayden

You’re a normal human being though. I can’t imagine having the nerve to tell strangers to speak English — including in my own house. Hubby and his family speak Haitian Creole which I don’t fully understand and I don’t freak out about it. I’m glad that woman was removed from the premises. Perhaps she has learned a lesson.

I grew up hearing my grandmother and aunt speaking Yiddish around the house when they didn’t want der kinder to know what they were saying.

Never seemed like a big deal to me then, or now.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 17, 2017 • 6:29:20am

It’s spreading:

Nobody is above the Law—Mueller Firing Rapid Response
“Nobody is Above the Law” Lubbock

Once you sign up, make sure to invite friends to join you at the event!

Note: If you choose to attend an event, you agree to engage in nonviolent, peaceful action, to act lawfully, and to strive to de-escalate any potential confrontations with those who may disagree with our values.

The host has marked that this event is wheelchair accessible.

“Nobody is Above the Law” Lubbock will be hosted by Tech Student Democrats at Texas Tech University across the street from iHop. We will meet in the event that President Trump fires Mueller on the lawn at the corner of 19th and University.

The main link has information on many, many other local plans.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 17, 2017 • 6:33:31am

re: #154 makeitstop

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Like always, the Trumps and their lackeys think the rules do not apply to them.

Even in the private sector, if you are using company networks or computers or email accounts, it is a given the company owns those emails, can read them at its discretion, and can monitor your use of its facilities. If these jokers don’t know that, I wonder how tightly run their former employers’ shops were.

Again, it’s also a question of how technologically ignorant most of these people are (also legally, ethically, and generally ignorant, too). I suppose they just assumed government emails are all confidential and secure, so they could just chat away.

Meanwhile, Trump’s Twitter feed offers foreign intelligence agents all kinds of intel and suggestions how to compromise El Jefe Naranja with well-aimed provocations.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 17, 2017 • 6:33:42am

re: #163 ipsos

I grew up hearing my grandmother and aunt speaking Yiddish around the house when they didn’t want der kinder to know what they were saying.

Never seemed like a big deal to me then, or now.

In my hometown of Ambridge, PA you walked a couple blocks where everyone spoke Greek, Italian, Russian, French, Serbo-Croatian. Didn’t matter.

Broke my heart to see a New York Times article about how Ambridge fell under the spell of Trump. When I left in 1982 the whole of Southwestern PA was solidly Democratic. Now only Pittsburgh remains as a Democratic island in a sea of deep red. My home town now has a Republican mayor and council, the County offices are all held by Republicans and they have the legislative seats as well. Right Wing Jesus is alive and well in the whole area…

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wheat-dogg  Dec 17, 2017 • 6:38:05am

Every time I see him do something like this, I yearn for the old days … of 2009-2016.

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ObserverArt  Dec 17, 2017 • 6:49:10am

Transition team emails hacked. So I thought it would be fun to list them all. Found the list at WikiPedia - Presidential transition of Donald Trump

Transition team members list. All may be sweating this morning and probably on the phone with each other and with their lawyers wondering what the hell this all means to them.

Vice Chairs:
• Ben Carson
• Chris Christie (previously head of the transition from May 2016 through election day)
• Michael Flynn (incoming National Security Advisor)
• Newt Gingrich
• Rudy Giuliani
• Jeff Sessions

with the addition of:
• K. T. McFarland (incoming Deputy National Security Advisor)
• Gov. Mary Fallin
• Sen. Tim Scott
• Rep. Marsha Blackburn (previously on the executive committee)
• Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers
• Rep. Tom Reed
• and outgoing Rep. Cynthia Lummis

The transition team also had an Executive Committee which included:
• Steve Bannon, Trump campaign CEO; named Counselor to the President on November 13
• Rep. Lou Barletta
• Rep. Marsha Blackburn (moved to vice-chair)
• Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi
• Rep. Chris Collins
• Rep. Tom Marino
• Rebekah Mercer - director of the Mercer Family Foundation and daughter of major Trump (and Cruz) donor Robert Mercer.
• Steven Mnuchin — former partner at Goldman Sachs,[77] incoming Secretary of the Treasury
• Rep. Devin Nunes
• Reince Priebus — Republican National Committee chairman; named incoming White House Chief of Staff on November 13
• Anthony Scaramucci — Hedge-fund manager and founder of investment firm SkyBridge Capital, formerly at Goldman Sachs
• Peter Thiel - Co-founder of PayPal, now a venture capitalist involved in several groups including Clarium Capital and Founders Fund.[78]
• Donald Trump Jr.
• Eric Trump
• Ivanka Trump
• Jared Kushner, businessman; husband of Ivanka Trump

Additional executive committee members added on November 29, 2016:
• Rep. Sean Duffy
• Rep. Trey Gowdy
• Rep. Dennis Ross
• Pastor Darrell C. Scott
• Kiron Skinner

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ericblair  Dec 17, 2017 • 6:54:21am

re: #154 makeitstop

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Like always, the Trumps and their lackeys think the rules do not apply to them.

Buuuut, I thought these people were all tremendously involved in, and had expert level knowledge of, federal email security regulations. It’s all we talked about last year. It must have been very important to people, right?

Also, what about that Zika virus? I guess that must have been all sorted out.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 17, 2017 • 7:03:16am

re: #132 teleskiguy

I was able to ding this on my desktop! I haven’t been able to ding for almost 12 hours.

I’ve had that problem. Prob need more fiber in your diet.

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retired cynic  Dec 17, 2017 • 7:12:47am

WaPo just now: washingtonpost.com

Big opioid case goes out with a whimper. This drives me nuts!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2017 • 7:13:24am

re: #39 Stanley Sea

They were looking for the Rabbi.

The Jewish lawyer prob does exist

I read that article and posted the link here a few days ago. The Globe reporters were looking for a rabbi because, in addition to the Jewish lawyer, Kayla claimed that they were good friends with and worshiped with Jews all the time.

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makeitstop  Dec 17, 2017 • 7:26:40am
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Eventual Carrion  Dec 17, 2017 • 7:35:34am

re: #166 Joe Bacon 🌹

In my hometown of Ambridge, PA you walked a couple blocks where everyone spoke Greek, Italian, Russian, French, Serbo-Croatian. Didn’t matter.

[snip]

I could have literally put in a boat 200 yards from my backyard were I grew up and floated to your hometown. Some friends of mine actually talked about doing it back in the day. We could put in the Shenango river right behind the house, hook up with the Mahoning river where it turns into Beaver river and then down to where it meets up with the Ohio. Our aim would have been Pittsburgh, but we would have passed right by Ambridge.

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BigPapa  Dec 17, 2017 • 7:40:26am

I just realized Mike Cuckovitch looks just like Patrick Dempsey’s younger meth addled troublemaking brother.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 17, 2017 • 7:41:57am

re: #174 Eventual Carrion

I could have literally put in a boat 200 yards from my backyard were I grew up and floated to your hometown. Some friends of mine actually talked about doing it back in the day. We could put in the Shenango river right behind the house, hook up with the Mahoning river where it turns into Beaver river and then down to where it meets up with the Ohio. Our aim would have been Pittsburgh, but we would have passed right by Ambridge.

After you made your left turn, and paddled like mad towards The Point, you would have passed me on your right 200yds up Chartier’s Creek. Our rented room behind the Chinese laundry exited in a cinder lot on the bank.

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darthstar  Dec 17, 2017 • 7:46:14am
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darthstar  Dec 17, 2017 • 7:48:44am

There’s some delicious irony here, considering how Trump begged Moscow to hack Hillary. The difference is, Mueller had legal access to these emails and now they’re fucked.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 17, 2017 • 7:50:54am

re: #178 darthstar

There’s some delicious irony here, considering how Trump begged Moscow to hack Hillary. The difference is, Mueller had legal access to these emails and now they’re fucked.

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Why? Do they have about 33,000 emails they don’t want anyone to see?

LOCK HIM UP

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MsJ  Dec 17, 2017 • 7:53:22am

Seriously, WTF happened to Turley? Trunking libertarian doesn’t explain this.

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darthstar  Dec 17, 2017 • 7:53:58am
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makeitstop  Dec 17, 2017 • 7:54:57am

A post-script to last night’s thread by Hoarse Whisperer…

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 17, 2017 • 7:56:21am

re: #180 MsJ

Seriously, WTF happened to Turley? Trunking libertarian doesn’t explain this.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2017 • 7:56:22am

re: #163 ipsos

I grew up hearing my grandmother and aunt speaking Yiddish around the house when they didn’t want der kinder to know what they were saying.

Never seemed like a big deal to me then, or now.

I would have loved to hear my ancestors speak their native languages. Lots of different ones. I’m fine with encouraging English to be learned but I’m also fine with other languages too.

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JordanRules  Dec 17, 2017 • 7:59:15am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 17, 2017 • 7:59:15am

re: #167 wheat-dogg

Every time I see him do something like this, I yearn for the old days … of 2009-2016.

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I can’t help but to like Prince Harry. He’s a decent guy and seems down to earth. No pomp at all.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:01:15am

How soon will Trumpers spin this email thing as proof that Hillary had lots to hide since she had a PRIVATE EMAIL SERVER ERMAGHERD!!?!?!?!?!!!

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ObserverArt  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:02:44am

re: #183 Barefoot Grin

Preet Bharara

@PreetBharara
Good luck with that. Maybe these Trump transition lawyers are the ones who prepared judicial nominee Matthew “what is a courtroom?” Petersen for his confirmation hearing.

12:03 AM - Dec 17, 2017

Ouch!

2 points for a takedown. Pin ‘em Preet.

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plansbandc  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:04:32am

re: #185 JordanRules

This made me laugh like a lunatic.

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MsJ  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:04:39am

re: #183 Barefoot Grin

I saw that. Totally cracked me up!

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dangerman  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:05:47am

re: #189 plansbandc

This made me laugh like a lunatic.

Llal?

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Belafon  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:06:30am

re: #180 MsJ

Seriously, WTF happened to Turley? Trunking libertarian doesn’t explain this.

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So, the new word is “privileged.” They’ll throw it around without knowing what it means. So, for anyone in the know, what does it mean legally?

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makeitstop  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:08:37am

Oh, the irony…

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dangerman  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:15:33am

re: #192 Belafon

So, the new word is “privileged.” They’ll throw it around without knowing what it means. So, for anyone in the know, what does it mean legally?

Ianal and not in the know

These emails are not that

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ObserverArt  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:15:56am

I just tuned into the last part of Meat The Chuck and he was wrapping up his interview with Marc Short White House Director of Legislative Affairs.

Chuck asked him if Trump is building up a case to fire Mueller.

Short emphatically said No, they are and have been working with the investigation all along.

Yeah? No. I do not believe Marc Short. I don’t believe anything from anyone associated with Trump.

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sagehen  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:18:19am

re: #178 darthstar

There’s some delicious irony here, considering how Trump begged Moscow to hack Hillary. The difference is, Mueller had legal access to these emails and now they’re fucked.

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sorry to inform you, irony is dead.

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dangerman  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:18:45am

re: #189 plansbandc

Hey, You breathing today?

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darthstar  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:21:26am

re: #196 sagehen

sorry to inform you, irony is dead.

It’s not dead, it’s just stunned.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:23:25am

re: #198 darthstar

It’s not dead, it’s just stunned.

Pining for the forwards

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dangerman  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:24:14am

I cannot embed tweets:


@TheRickWilson
I would like to chide the media universal headline on this story.

Let me fix it for you:

“Trump attorney falsely and ludicrously claims Mueller obtained emails illegally.”

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darthstar  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:24:35am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:26:41am

re: #180 MsJ

Seriously, WTF happened to Turley? Trunking libertarian doesn’t explain this.

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Turley has been kissing RepubliKKKan ass ever since Obama was elected. He’s repeatedly argued Republican talking points.

I got a feeling Jonathan Turley just don’t like colored people especially when one of them was elected President!

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ObserverArt  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:27:00am

re: #201 darthstar

Rep. Eric Swalwell

@RepSwalwell
#BREAKING @realDonaldTrump objects to Mueller obtaining video of his obstruction of justice admission to @LesterHoltNBC. Worries his tweets may also be used as evidence.

11:20 AM - Dec 17, 2017
52 52 Replies 248 248 Retweets 512 512 likes

Wut???

Is this a joke?

No one can be that dense…

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dangerman  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:29:24am

buzzfeed

Asked about Langhofer’s letter and Loewentritt’s statements — and after publication of this story — a spokesperson for the Special Counsel’s Office, Peter Carr, told BuzzFeed News, “When we have obtained emails in the course of our ongoing criminal investigation, we have secured either the account owner’s consent or appropriate criminal process.”

Emphases mine

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darthstar  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:30:01am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:31:29am

Hey kids! Remember Mr. Potato Head and how there were celebrity versions of him?

Well now here is…Mr. Spam Head—The Steve Bannon Celebrity Version!

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Jay C  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:32:43am

re: #163 ipsos

I grew up hearing my grandmother and aunt speaking Yiddish around the house when they didn’t want der kinder to know what they were saying.

Never seemed like a big deal to me then, or now.

My parents did the same around me: and it worked like a charm: I don’t know more Yiddish than I could pick up watching stand-up comedians…..

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darthstar  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:32:54am

re: #203 ObserverArt

Wut???

Is this a joke?

No one can be that dense…

I can think of one person.

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ericblair  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:33:27am

re: #203 ObserverArt

Wut???

Is this a joke?

No one can be that dense…

Remember when Deep Throat said that the Watergate conspirators were not very bright guys and things got out of hand? These clowns make the Watergate bunch look like fucking Moriarty.

One “advantage” that today’s Dems have is that they have all been through trial by fire. There is always someone attacking, and any of their weakness or impropriety is mercilessly exploited. Republicans are treated with kid gloves and given every advantage and benefit of the doubt. So what happens when they get up against a real adversary?

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Belafon  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:40:30am

re: #203 ObserverArt

Wut???

Is this a joke?

No one can be that dense…

I’m pretty sure it’s meant to be a play on the Trump’s idea that using government servers is somehow private.

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darthstar  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:44:20am

Beyond that, however, I suspect they now fear (no doubt rightly) that Trump officials lied during their interviews with the Special Counsel’s office and the investigators already had the emails that proved they were lying. That’s a real sinking feeling for everyone involved

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:47:38am
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ObserverArt  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:50:18am

re: #210 Belafon

I’m pretty sure it’s meant to be a play on the Trump’s idea that using government servers is somehow private.

The way it was written in the tweet Darth posted made it seem it was a real statement from Trump.

If it is a dig on things being obviously in the public domain by Rep. Eric Swalwell then it makes more sense.

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MsJ  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:53:36am

re: #201 darthstar

That has to be a joke. Really. People have been telling trump to STFU for months. Really, that’s a joke. Right?

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ObserverArt  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:54:22am

re: #211 darthstar

Beyond that, however, I suspect they now fear (no doubt rightly) that Trump officials lied during their interviews with the Special Counsel’s office and the investigators already had the emails that proved they were lying. That’s a real sinking feeling for everyone involved

I don’t think there is any doubt or suspect about it.

As has been pointed out…Fox and the Republicans started to really go off on the FBI and Mueller once Flynn was indicted.

I think right at that time is when they all realized Flynn turned because they had the goods against him.

Pretty sure we just found out what those “goods” are now. Also explains why they called Jared and Donny Jr. back in for more questions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2017 • 8:55:34am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:02:09am

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

I read that article and posted the link here a few days ago. The Globe reporters were looking for a rabbi because, in addition to the Jewish lawyer, Kayla claimed that they were good friends with and worshiped with Jews all the time.

Could be one of those bogus “Juice For Cheeses” pastors who call themselves “rabbi”

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MsJ  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:03:25am

re: #212 FormerDirtDart

This tweet…

Leads to this paragraph (read the article, it’s good)…

Langhofer argues in the letter that decision by GSA officials went against what he calls “the GSA’s previous acknowledgement concerning” the Trump campaign’s “rightful ownership and control of” transition team materials.

I kept waiting for Trump’s best people to cry out Intellectual Property!

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:10:29am
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Belafon  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:26:22am

re: #219 FormerDirtDart

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:26:32am

re: #37 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oh something tells me that the Moore’s Jewish Lawyer was “born again”…

Is that the same as a “Jews for Jesus” type? You know, the thing that can’t be.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:27:30am

re: #221 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Is that the same as a “Jews for Jesus” type? You know, the thing that can’t be.

Jay Sekulow would gladly dissent from that.

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BadgerB  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:28:36am

re: #1 Belafon

Historical information: The Saturday Night Massacre happened on October 23, 1973, but Nixon did not resign until August 9, 1974.

but it happened under a Democratic congress and in a much more bi-partisan environment.

I just have a hard time believing Mitch (lets just wait for the next president to no nominate the next Supreme Court justice) McConnell to do the right thing if/when the time comes.

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dangerman  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:30:08am

re: #219 FormerDirtDart

I’m not sure what this has to do with tax policy exactly but the stock market grew 235 percent during Obama’s two terms.

he didnt see it.
spent 8 years with his eyes closed and fingers in his ears going “lalalalalalal”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:30:22am

Well look who is preaching for them tax cuts!

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ObserverArt  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:33:24am

re: #225 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well look who is preaching for them tax cuts!

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I’m sure as a popular Evangelical Preacher all that money saved will be going to help more of his people.

The ones building the new home, servicing his car and air fleet and his investment bankers.

Edit to add: Plus tithings go up! Thank yew Geeeesuz.

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allegro  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:34:11am

re: #223 BadgerB

but it happened under a Democratic congress and in a much more bi-partisan environment.

I just have a hard time believing Mitch (lets just wait for the next president to no nominate the next Supreme Court justice) McConnell to do the right thing if/when the time comes.

From what it appears Mueller has and the shit that is about to rain on the Trump crime family it will put McConnell’s nuts in a vice. We’ll see the degree of crushing he’ll take before screaming “Impeach!”.

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Targetpractice  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:35:39am

re: #219 FormerDirtDart

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It’s funny, but during the Obama years when the stock market recovered its losses and began rising again, it was not met with glee and celebration by wingnuts. It was instead treated as “proof” that he was selling the country out. The refrain was “How does this help the people on Main Street?!”

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MsJ  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:39:14am

re: #227 allegro

From what it appears Mueller has and the shit that is about to rain on the Trump crime family it will put McConnell’s nuts in a vice. We’ll see the degree of crushing he’ll take before screaming “Impeach!”.

If what’s in that Dallas news article is true, Mitch has some explaining to do himself.

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allegro  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:41:01am

re: #229 MsJ

If what’s in that Dallas news article is true, Mitch has some explaining to do himself.

I suspect there is a whole lot of scrambling going on in the GOP about now. It will be interesting to see how tight Mueller’s net is.

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ObserverArt  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:42:55am

re: #227 allegro

From what it appears Mueller has and the shit that is about to rain on the Trump crime family it will put McConnell’s nuts in a vice. We’ll see the degree of crushing he’ll take before screaming “Impeach!”.

And now we need to add in the Dallas News articles about many Republican PACs getting funding indirectly from Russian oligarchs.

$3.5 mil to Mitch alone.

And we still don’t know what the Russians have as far as Republican emails.

Both are very good sources of the heat needed to cook Mitch and the boys. Governors like John Kasich on there too.

Summation: Easy path for GOP congress to sort of look clean and get back some points is to Dump Trump right after they get him to sign the tax reform. Everything else they might try looks to put the party in more turmoil.

Link to Dallas News article already posted around here by good Lizards: Dallas News - How Putin’s proxies helped funnel millions into GOP campaigns

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A Mom Anon  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:43:47am

Treason’s Greetings Everybody!! Dare I hope that Santa might be bringing us a few presents early this year? Please oh please oh please?

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Targetpractice  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:45:18am

I expect the GOP to break into two camps when Trump finally decides to just drop the pretense that he’s cooperating with the investigation by firing Rosenstein and Mueller.

The first camp will be the wingnuts who will dance and sing in celebration over what they see as Trump bringing the “witch hunt” to an end. They’ll tell the press that this is just the first step to “cleaning house” or whatever newspeak they use to describe the forced partisanship of the DOJ to go strictly after Trump’s enemies.

The second camp will be the “moderates” and the leadership who will do a lot of public hand-wringing over Trump’s actions and voice “concern” and “dismay.” But then will declare that the whole matter is within his authority as president, he can fire them at will, and he obviously must have good reasons for doing so because there’s no way this is a blatant obstruction of justice. Once past that, they’ll subtly join their compatriots in the first camp by suggesting the whole matter is “finished” and it’s time for the country to “move on.”

Any Republicans who demand answers and suggest Trump has violated the law…will be an endangered species, quickly clubbed into submission.

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ObserverArt  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:45:31am

re: #228 Targetpractice

It’s funny, but during the Obama years when the stock market recovered its losses and began rising again, it was not met with glee and celebration by wingnuts. It was instead treated as “proof” that he was selling the country out. The refrain was “How does this help the people on Main Street?!”

While the greed at the top slopped around in it like pigs bitching the whole time how they were not to blame and were treated so unfairly. And that worked for them because here they are in for more money to pig out in.

Didn’t lose then. Gaining even more now.

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MsJ  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:46:06am

re: #230 allegro

I suspect there is a whole lot of scrambling going on in the GOP about now. It will be interesting to see how tight Mueller’s net is.

Personally? IDGAF if you’re a dem, GOPer, libertarian or anything out and in between. Sell out America and go directly to jail. For life. If not worse. We have the death penalty and I’d be OK with using that for treason.

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ericblair  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:46:13am

re: #230 allegro

I suspect there is a whole lot of scrambling going on in the GOP about now. It will be interesting to see how tight Mueller’s net is.

It’s not just Mueller. This was all developed by the Treasury. I haven’t heard of Mnuchin interfering in their work (yet). Remember that the DoD, intelligence community, treasury, and the states are beavering away whatever fucking clown show is happening in the White House and Congress. And yes, it’s pretty goddamn clear that a lot of dirty foreign money has gotten into Republican Congressional grubby mitts. The dynamics of Congress might start changing when and if some of these assholes get perp walked.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:50:02am

so much bullshit

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allegro  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:50:29am

re: #232 A Mom Anon

Treason’s Greetings Everybody!! Dare I hope that Santa might be bringing us a few presents early this year? Please oh please oh please?

As much as I’d like to see this pimple pop tomorrow I’m hoping it will be just a little bit later, like in March or so. Closer to mid-terms so it will be roiling through the summer and the stink still very fresh in October.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:51:28am

Your Handy Dandy Guide to seeing how the Russians took over the RepubliKKKlan Party!

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MsJ  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:51:30am

re: #238 allegro

As much as I’d like to see this pimple pop tomorrow I’m hoping it will be just a little bit later, like in March or so. Closer to mid-terms so it will be roiling through the summer and the stink still very fresh in October.

Nah. Now is good. This will be going on for a very long time.

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sagehen  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:52:07am

re: #219 FormerDirtDart

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The stock market is responding favorably to the tax bill because GIVING THE CORPS TONS MORE CASH MEANS BIGGER DIVIDENDS, AND STOCK BUYBACKS.

None of that money is going to be invested in expanding the companies, hiring more staff or giving raises to existing staff.

NONE OF IT.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:53:09am

re: #238 allegro

I can see that, but I also think there’s enough to go around. For Awhile. Now I REALLY want to see those emails. I wonder if we’ll ever get to?

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ObserverArt  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:53:39am

re: #232 A Mom Anon

Treason’s Greetings Everybody!! Dare I hope that Santa might be bringing us a few presents early this year? Please oh please oh please?

I’ll count it as a gift if the Republican tax reforms get torpedoed by the press, people protests and CBO scores and cause it not to get done this week and if Trump can’t stop the Mueller investigations and Fox and friends have to shut the hell up.

I’m realistic at Christmas time.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:53:55am

Where is Meredith McIver???????? She plagiarizes a speech for Melania and then, boom, gone! Still gone. Gotta get John Barron on this case now!

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scottslemmons  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:56:39am

re: #233 Targetpractice

I expect the GOP to break into two camps when Trump finally decides to just drop the pretense that he’s cooperating with the investigation by firing Rosenstein and Mueller.

The first camp will be the wingnuts who will dance and sing in celebration over what they see as Trump bringing the “witch hunt” to an end. They’ll tell the press that this is just the first step to “cleaning house” or whatever newspeak they use to describe the forced partisanship of the DOJ to go strictly after Trump’s enemies.

The second camp will be the “moderates” and the leadership who will do a lot of public hand-wringing over Trump’s actions and voice “concern” and “dismay.” But then will declare that the whole matter is within his authority as president, he can fire them at will, and he obviously must have good reasons for doing so because there’s no way this is a blatant obstruction of justice. Once past that, they’ll subtly join their compatriots in the first camp by suggesting the whole matter is “finished” and it’s time for the country to “move on.”

Any Republicans who demand answers and suggest Trump has violated the law…will be an endangered species, quickly clubbed into submission.

Ehh, I expect a few Republicans to make noises about the rule of law, but I don’t expect a single one to actually do anything about it. And I don’t expect any of them to ever vote to impeach or convict. At this point, Trump could nuke Mt. Rushmore, and every Republican would give it a thumbs-up.

Part of it is dumb stupid loyalty to the party above all else, some of it is fear of the Trumpers, some of it is believing they’re finally going to be able to get the Final Ultimate Victory That Can Never Be Undone And Will Make It All Worthwhile.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:56:49am
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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 17, 2017 • 9:58:20am

I love my cats but I hate scooping the litter. One weird trick I use is to buy large storage totes with smooth bottoms for litter boxes. Cut a hole large enough in the top and the liter critter won’t track litter around as much.

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allegro  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:02:08am

re: #247 Shropshire Slasher

I love my cats but I hate scooping the litter. One weird trick I use is to buy large storage totes with smooth bottoms for litter boxes. Cut a hole large enough in the top and the liter critter won’t track litter around as much.

Tidy Cats Breeze

All litter box problems solved.

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:06:51am

re: #248 allegro

and here I thought clumping litter was the best thing since sliced bread!

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darthstar  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:09:37am

re: #215 ObserverArt

I don’t think there is any doubt or suspect about it.

As has been pointed out…Fox and the Republicans started to really go off on the FBI and Mueller once Flynn was indicted.

I think right at that time is when they all realized Flynn turned because they had the goods against him.

Pretty sure we just found out what those “goods” are now. Also explains why they called Jared and Donny Jr. back in for more questions.

At some point we’ll be asking, “Is there anyone in the Trump administration who isn’t looking forward to getting off with only ‘lying to the FBI’ confessions?”

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:09:50am

re: #247 Shropshire Slasher

I forgot to add totes help keep the dogs from finding those delicious sprinkled tootsie rolls!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:10:19am

re: #247 Shropshire Slasher

I love my cats but I hate scooping the litter. One weird trick I use is to buy large storage totes with smooth bottoms for litter boxes. Cut a hole large enough in the top and the liter critter won’t track litter around as much.

Friends rave about this litter.

catspotlitter.com

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:12:05am

What they said before they all lined up to kiss Trump Ass!

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plansbandc  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:12:19am

re: #251 Shropshire Slasher

The irresistible cat nugget.

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allegro  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:13:27am

re: #249 Shropshire Slasher

and here I thought clumping litter was the best thing since sliced bread!

The reason I never had cats before wasn’t because I hated cats, it was cuz I hated litter boxes. Like, more than anything. Hate the stink and hate the clay litter that is always scattered about stuck to the bottom of my always bare feet. This litter system is amazeballs, works exactly as promised.

Now, I can be mad at my cats for all the other reasons they give me to holler at them.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:19:18am

re: #255 allegro

Clay litter isn’t biodegradable either. I remember when we had two kitties and The Kid dumped their litter box in a wooded place between our property line and the neighbors, about 8 yrs ago. That litter never broke down, the poop did, but not the litter. It was still there when the construction company took all those trees out over the summer. I used the PetSmart brand of recycled paper pellets or the pine ones and they worked really well. Of course now both my kitties are gone, but if we ever get another one, that’s the litter we will use.

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JordanRules  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:20:32am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:25:03am

re: #257 JordanRules

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No supervisor likes an employee who can’t function independently.

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allegro  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:25:46am

re: #257 JordanRules

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Today, Putin called Trump to thank him for a CIA tip, per Kremlin.

WHAT?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:26:13am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:27:05am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:30:02am
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darthstar  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:30:22am
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ericblair  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:33:13am

re: #259 allegro

Today, Putin called Trump to thank him for a CIA tip, per Kremlin.

WHAT?

I’m thinking this may actually be true. Existing agreements and diplomatic contacts grind on.

Doesn’t help Trump’s narrative of the CIA as a bunch of obsessed nuts trying to take him down.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:33:54am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:36:54am
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darthstar  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:40:07am

I added a follow up tweet “and pay your fucking child support” because it’s Joe Walsh.

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darthstar  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:42:21am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:44:17am

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

Worth noting that a number of people point to Newt as the person most responsible for the current state of things.

Sure, people talk about Lee Atwater, but Atwater’s famous “N****r, N****r, N****r,” was really talking about how you adapt the old methods to new realities. Gingrich, OTOH, was the one who started, and continues to push for a complete, scorched earth partisanship in which the opposing party are not just wrong, but also The Worst Evil In History!!!, as well as constant and shameless bullshitting.

Newt thought it would make him President someday, but he’s too tainted by the past. It took Trump to take advantage of the ground Newt had prepared.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:46:58am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:47:24am

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

Also, “Everything Newt just said is a lie” is always correct.

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darthstar  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:48:11am

Breaking: Video of Trump’s legal team chasing down another winning argument.

Image: keystone-kops-gif.gif

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Belafon  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:48:57am

re: #225 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well look who is preaching for them tax cuts!

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But did he help you save 15% or more on car insurance?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:49:26am
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darthstar  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:50:19am

re: #272 darthstar

Breaking: Video of Trump’s legal team chasing down another winning argument.

Image: keystone-kops-gif.gif

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Belafon  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:50:29am

re: #223 BadgerB

but it happened under a Democratic congress and in a much more bi-partisan environment.

I just have a hard time believing Mitch (lets just wait for the next president to no nominate the next Supreme Court justice) McConnell to do the right thing if/when the time comes.

My point on that is that A didn’t immediately lead to B. We must be patient even after announcements. And yes, we will have much more work to do because Democrats aren’t in charge and Republicans think they only search 27% of the country.

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Jay C  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:50:44am

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Rooting against the president is equivalent to getting on an airplane and hoping that the plane crashes.”

Well, in this case, the “Airplane of State” has at the controls a “pilot” who:
- Isn’t familiar with the aircraft.
- has a “flight crew” picked solely because they tell him what a great pilot he is.
- dismisses any criticism of his flying.
- doesn’t know where he’s going.
- probably spends a lot of radio time trying to weasel kickbacks on the landing fees.

Not the “co-pilot” is any great shakes, either: but at least he (AFAICT) doesn’t go on Fox to make a buffoon out of himself….

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A Mom Anon  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:52:54am

re: #269 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh I remember. In GA it was him and Ralph Ratfucking Reed. Right after Sept 11th they started their shit here. Liberals wanted this shit to happen, we were traitors who sided with terrorists, we weren’t Americans and True Patriots. I saw the Liberal Hunting License bumper stickers and the splits in neighborhoods and famiies. That is THE thing that I cannot forgive.

I tried to start a weekly neighborhood potluck at our library shortly after 9/11. Our library has a big conference room with a full kitchen in it which would have been perfect. I got permission from the Lead Librarian, so I made flyers and phone calls. They got death threats and threats that food would be poisoned. Permission retracted. So much for being all neighborly and shit. Anger and hate spread like a fucking pipeline leak here and it’s still like that. And it started with GA republicans.

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ericblair  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:54:53am

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mueller is a decorated Marine whose reputation as an lawyer, investigator, and law enforcement officer under both Rep/Dem admins is exemplary in every respect

I hope all the active FBI agents are taking notes about the sort of disgusting garbage the Republican party, with consent of its leadership, are throwing at federal law enforcement.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:55:01am
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JordanRules  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:57:06am

re: #264 ericblair

Oh for sure, but this regime isn’t normal so any contacts between these two give me extreme pause. They seem to be in contact frequently with none of the normal protocols holding and we always get the Moscow readout first. Wasn’t there a meeting on 45s last trip abroad that just kinda rolled up into the news of the day without any follow up, clarification or explanation of what the hell they were doing?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2017 • 10:59:12am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 17, 2017 • 11:01:33am

OH HAI Charles got a shout out from The Root

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Belafon  Dec 17, 2017 • 11:02:32am

We watched one of the new MST3K episodes last night. My older two saw some of them a few years ago, but my youngest had not seen any. Afterwords, he went on YouTube and found one of the older ones and was watching and listening to it on his phone.

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ObserverArt  Dec 17, 2017 • 11:04:52am

=re: #271 Blind Frog Belly White

Also, “Everything Newt just said is a lie” is always correct.

That’s chiseled into a stone tablet in DC.

So it is written.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 17, 2017 • 11:05:59am
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MsJ  Dec 17, 2017 • 11:06:59am

re: #280 Backwoods_Sleuth

Talk about truly being from the No Shit Sherlock file.

Am I a totally shit person for only thinking “If you like down with flea ridden dogs…”?

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ericblair  Dec 17, 2017 • 11:10:42am

re: #281 JordanRules

Oh for sure, but this regime isn’t normal so any contacts between these two give me extreme pause. They seem to be in contact frequently with none of the normal protocols holding and we always get the Moscow readout first. Wasn’t there a meeting on 45s last trip abroad that just kinda rolled up into the news of the day without any follow up, clarification or explanation of what the hell they were doing?

It’s on two different levels. At the working level, the CIA would have got terrorism related information that they have a standing agreement to share with the Russians. They send it to the normal dudes/dudettes who approve foreign releases, then those people fire it over to Anton or whoever at the Russian Embassy. Normal procedure. The political level is all messed up.

A lot of people may be surprised at how businesslike the working level bureaucracies are even when their respective countries are, or are almost, at war.


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