Video: Stephen Colbert IS Hannibal Lecter

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Because it’s funny, and on this day when Republicans are on the brink of ramming through an insanely destructive (and insanely unpopular) tax bill, I have a feeling we all need something to laugh at.

Clarice (Jodie Foster) has some questions regarding Robert Mueller’s probe into Trump’s ties to Russia directed toward Hannibal Lecter (Stephen Colbert).

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jaunte  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:03:56am
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:04:44am
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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:05:22am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:06:27am

If this tax bill passes every single Republican needs to immediately shut the fuck up about “fiscal responsibility”.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:08:59am

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

If this tax bill passes every single Republican needs to immediately shut the fuck up about “fiscal responsibility”.

They won’t, because they’re not done cornholing the middle class. After the holidays, they’ll get back to that task by taking an axe to “entitlements” to cover up that big hole they just blow in the budget with their cash grab.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:17:29am

The Senate Banking Committee on Tuesday rejected President Trump’s nominee to lead the Export-Import Bank.

The panel in a 10-13 vote declined to advance the nomination of Scott Garrett, a former Republican congressman from New Jersey.

Two Republicans — Sens. Mike Rounds (S.D.) and Tim Scott (S.C.) — joined Democrats in opposing the nominee.

“If there was ever somebody who didn’t belong at the helm of the Ex-Im bank, it was Scott Garrett,” Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said.

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At his confirmation hearing last month, senators from both parties grilled Garrett over his push to disband the Ex-Im Bank as a member of Congress.

While in the House, Garrett was among the conservatives who persistently tried to shut down the Ex-Im Bank on the grounds that its “crony capitalism” distorts the market to help some of America’s biggest companies.”

Senators questioned whether his views had changed and asked why he should be allowed to lead the agency now.

Garrett vowed that he would let the bank “continue to fully operate,” but many of the senators were unconvinced.

Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio, the top Democrat on the panel, on Tuesday said senators from both parties left that Nov. 1 hearing without any concrete proof that Garrett had actually changed his mind about Ex-Im.

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JordanRules  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:17:30am
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jaunte  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:18:17am
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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:20:08am

re: #7 JordanRules

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“Bias we only gave a shit about when it appears to hurt us, not that bias we were sure was going to fry Hillary’s ass until it didn’t.”

Seriously, the idea that they’re suddenly interested in “bias” when they seemed convinced that there would be a “mass exodus” of FBI investigators if Comey “let her go” is so much BS.

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BeachDem  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:22:27am

re: #7 JordanRules

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Has anyone explained what this was all about? (It’s Trey Gowdy, so it doesn’t have to make sense as long as it’s BENGHAZI!!)

Obviously moot, as McCabe showed up and didn’t quit.

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jaunte  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:24:18am
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JordanRules  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:24:27am

re: #10 BeachDem

I haven’t seen any sense made of that yet.

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jaunte  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:25:17am
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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:26:12am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:26:43am
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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:28:33am

It’s going to pass. Republicans are going to fuck the United States big time.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:28:36am

Is it too late to hope a GOP senator or 2 might grow a spine and kill this thing?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:29:31am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

They’re trying to turn the whole country into Kansas.

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:30:19am

re: #7 JordanRules

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First question…about Hillary and those emails……

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A Mom Anon  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:30:51am

re: #15 The Vicious Babushka

This is what evil looks like. Unchecked. He’s DARING someone to do something to stop them, and short of being more evil than they are, there’s nothing to do but watch them rip the country to pieces and loot every penny they can. I am sitting here bawling, because I know what’s going to happen, I’ve read enough history to know. I hate these people.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:31:20am

re: #8 jaunte

It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

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nowherenorth2  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:31:56am

re: #20 A Mom Anon

Not bawling. But agree

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Sir John Barron  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:32:02am

re: #7 JordanRules

This is an absolute disgrace, maybe worse than Trump’s own behavior.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:33:40am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

It’s going to pass. Republicans are going to fuck the United States big time.

And it’s only the start. They’ve figured out they’re fucked next November, so this is their one opportunity with a Republican in the White House to get anything significant passed. Odds are he won’t make it past 2020, and their majority very likely will be gone by then too. So they have to get what they can passed, even if it’s less than they wanted, because they can always go back after they’ve conned voters into giving them back Congress and add what they missed.

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:34:25am

re: #11 jaunte

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I oppose this conference report with every bone in my body. This tax bill is a $2.3 trillion holiday gift for Wall Street, the rich, and the wealthy. Conceived in darkness and birthed with the help of donors and funders. This bill is not for the people. It is not tax reform

And it will NOT be “regifted” as higher wages or bonuses

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Kragar  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:34:27am
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Dave In Austin  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:34:30am

BUT I’LL GET $20 MOAR ON EBERY PAYCHECK. I CAN PAY MY PAYDAY LOAN BACK #MAGA

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:35:50am
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JordanRules  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:36:09am
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dangerman  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:36:31am

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

They’re trying to turn the whole country into Kansas.

While they live in another state

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:38:45am
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Kragar  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:38:50am
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JordanRules  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:38:54am

re: #30 dangerman

That state is wealth.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:39:46am

re: #25 dangerman

And it will NOT be “regifted” as higher wages or bonuses

No, but you can be sure every banker, stock broker, and hedge fund manager is sporting wood right now. The Dow will go crazy on all on the stock buybacks and dividends, while companies will be euphoric over being able to “repatriate” all that money they’ve been hiding overseas.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:40:46am

merry christmas y’all…

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:41:52am

re: #32 Kragar

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“More united”…in what, hatred of the rich? Because if that’s the case, Ryan, then I do hope you understand that that way tends to lead to a date with either a guillotine or a firing squad. The last time the wealth disparity in this nation was so shockingly high, we watched as numerous nations fell into communist revolutions and barely avoided such due to the New Deal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:42:28am
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Kragar  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:43:19am
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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:44:04am

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If Republicans “begged” for anything, it was for Democrats to hold the murder weapon so their fingerprints were on it too.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:44:46am

Is Mconnel up for reelection next year?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:45:06am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:46:23am
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S'latch  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:46:41am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

It’s going to pass. Republicans are going to fuck the United States big time.

Well, that’s rather blunt. So, thanks.

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Belafon  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:46:54am

re: #40 Eclectic Cyborg

Is Mconnel up for reelection next year?

Nope. He just got reelected.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:47:31am

re: #44 Belafon

Nope. He just got reelected.

Fuck.

I really can’t stand him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:47:59am

re: #40 Eclectic Cyborg

Is Mconnel up for reelection next year?

yep

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:48:03am

Look at this mother fucker

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Kragar  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:48:35am
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nowherenorth2  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:49:12am

re: #48 Kragar

What the hell? When did Walsh switch?

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A Mom Anon  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:49:22am

re: #44 Belafon

One could hope he might have to resign to spend more time with his pile of money. I mean there’s no way he’s clean and virtuous. I wish people who know where the bodies are buried (and you know they’re out there) would start digging them up publicly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:50:53am

re: #44 Belafon

Nope. He just got reelected.

no, that was Rand Paul who just got re-elected.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:52:00am

re: #32 Kragar

This is our country. This is our moment. We will reclaim the principles that have guided us for generations so that our nation is more united, more confident, and more free. pic.twitter.com

— Paul Ryan

LOLwhut? Do you know who your party elected as president?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:52:10am

re: #49 nowherenorth2

What the hell? When did Walsh switch?

He didn’t. He’s still a dick. But he has had a few “stopped clock” moments as of late.

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Kragar  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:52:40am

re: #47 The Vicious Babushka

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nowherenorth2  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:52:47am

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

Random. What I get for not being a partof social media.

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Interesting Times  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:53:06am

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

no, that was Rand Paul who just got re-elected.

Wasn’t the sociopathic turtle re-elected in 2014, though? That means he’s not on the potential chopping block until 2020 :(

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:53:15am

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep

my bad…mitch runs again in 2020.

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Old Liberal  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:55:13am

Yes, the assholes are passing this. Deep down, we all knew they would. It is what assholes do. I’m toasting us that we held them off until the very end of December, they wanted to do this 8 months ago. I’m no optimist, but the ancient Greeks knew that pride goes before a fall, and their hubris is at all time highs, even higher than the beer party after they voted to take away healthcare. People full of pride make big mistakes. Many big mistakes. We fight on, not because we are certain we will win, but because it is the moral thing to do.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:55:56am

re: #48 Kragar

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Stop making sense.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:56:40am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:56:43am

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

He didn’t. He’s still a dick. But he has had a few “stopped clock” moments as of late.

He’s still a dick but a surprisingly lucid one given his past.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:57:38am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:58:55am
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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:59:21am

re: #62 Charles Johnson

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None have read it so they can express “surprise” and “dismay” when the specifics come out, with promises of later “fixes” just in time for the midterms.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:59:48am
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dangerman  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:59:57am

re: #34 Targetpractice

No, but you can be sure every banker, stock broker, and hedge fund manager is sporting wood right now. The Dow will go crazy on all on the stock buybacks and dividends, while companies will be euphoric over being able to “repatriate” all that money they’ve been hiding overseas.

exactly - a gift to the stock market owners, not the workers

and note, iifc, only about 15% of americans have any investment in the market

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:00:26pm

re: #58 Old Liberal

Unfortunately, we’re in for another long year. Muellers investigation is nowhere near closed and even if Republicans get voted out en masse in November, the new Congress won’t seat until January of 2019.

This could get worse before it gets better.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:00:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:01:43pm
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Mike Lamb  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:02:21pm

re: #48 Kragar

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These fucking monsters. Making me agree with Joe Walsh.

Serious question: when they say the corporate tax cut is “permanent”, that only means in the context of this specific legislation, correct? That there is no sunset provision? A democratic congress/President could pass new legislation to reverse the tax breaks?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:02:42pm

re: #66 dangerman

exactly - a gift to the stock market owners, not the workers

and note, iifc, only about 15% of americans have any investment in the market

I’d love to be able to invest but I have house and car loans to pay, family to feed, clothes that need to be bought, a home in need of repair and health care costs that keep increasing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:02:50pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

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NYT link has how each House member voted.

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:03:35pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reiterates that Pres Trump stands by his oft-stated policy not to release his tax returns until the IRS audit of them is completed. So public won’t be able to see impact of tax cut bill on his taxes until then.

ok, then without releasing them, can you tell us the impact the bill will have on his taxes?

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:04:36pm

re: #70 Mike Lamb

These fucking monsters. Making me agree with Joe Walsh.

Serious question: when they say the corporate tax cut is “permanent”, that only means in the context of this specific legislation, correct? That there is no sunset provision? A democratic congress/President could pass new legislation to reverse the tax breaks?

yep

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:05:03pm

re: #48 Kragar

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Kragar  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:05:18pm

re: #70 Mike Lamb

These fucking monsters. Making me agree with Joe Walsh.

Serious question: when they say the corporate tax cut is “permanent”, that only means in the context of this specific legislation, correct? That there is no sunset provision? A democratic congress/President could pass new legislation to reverse the tax breaks?

Correct. Permanent until changed again by Congress.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:05:19pm

re: #73 dangerman

ok, then without releasing them, can you tell us the impact the bill will have on his taxes?

This won’t benefit Trump…buh-lieve him. It’s no good for him…

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Kragar  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:06:11pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:06:14pm

re: #73 dangerman

ok, then without releasing them, can you tell us the impact the bill will have on his taxes?

Hucky Boo Boo will reply “Why doesn’t Hillary show how much she received in the Uranium deal?”

Honestly, how does that witch sleep? Every word out of her mouth is a lie. Even when she farts and belches she lies!

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:07:05pm

The bullshit just keeps on coming

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:07:16pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

NYT link has how each House member voted.

Rohrbacher & Issa

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:08:14pm
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garzooma  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:08:52pm

re: #56 Interesting Times

Wasn’t the sociopathic turtle re-elected in 2014, though? That means he’s not on the potential chopping block until 2020 :(

His tenure as Majority Leader is at risk.

BTW, I love the link to this on Lawyersgunsandmoney: “You ask for a miracle, I give you the Alabama Republican primary electorate”

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Mike Lamb  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:09:23pm

re: #80 The Vicious Babushka

The bullshit just keeps on coming

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Who is “you” here? I mean Christ almighty…people won’t turn away extra money even though it’s temporary, but this bullshit that it’s life-changing money is a fucking joke.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:09:31pm

Will Trumps tax return for next year be kept secret too?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:09:51pm

re: #82 The Vicious Babushka

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By which she means the very wealthy.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:10:14pm

re: #85 Eclectic Cyborg

Will Trumps tax return for next year be kept secret too?

I’m sure. They’ll have an excuse ready.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:10:56pm

re: #82 The Vicious Babushka

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We’re almost there…”Let them eat cake” is coming.

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Old Liberal  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:11:26pm

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

I agree. We are in for a long long downward ride. Stupid doesn’t die easy, and this country is full of stupid right now. I live in Wisconsin and have had to spend time in Kentucky this year, stupid surrounds me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:12:21pm
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Kragar  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:12:30pm
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Old Liberal  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:14:30pm

re: #85 Eclectic Cyborg

Tax audits are almost always several years behind. They are probably auditing 2013 right now. When they are done with that, they will start on 2014. His returns are audited every year because they are pushing the envelope every year. He will never, ever, not be under audit.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:14:57pm

re: #91 Kragar

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Seriously, how many people fall into Cornyn’s hypo? And is that only in red states?

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MsJ  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:15:48pm

re: #48 Kragar

What world am I inhabiting when I agree with Joe Deadbeat-Dad Walsh?

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piratedan  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:15:59pm

it will indeed be a better day now that these guys have publicly stated that they’re nothing more than lackeys of the rich (or of Putin, perhaps double dipping on both here). When we vote them out of office, we can then undue this travesty and place the burden back where it belongs, on the wealthy. Don’t expect Dems to go easy on them either, there will be a reckoning and if anything, it will focus the Democratic Party on economic inequality and rectifying that in no uncertain terms.

While there’s a very scary part of me that wants to do violence, those of them that aren’t traitors, I would much rather strip them of their pensions and tax the ever lovin’ crap out of them knowing that this greediness and arrogance made us a better country. For those in cahoots, perp walk every last one of them.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:16:38pm

re: #91 Kragar

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Yeah, with my own private business and everything, that $100K a year just seems so easy to earn.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:16:44pm
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John_Manyjars  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:18:12pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

POS Republicans could care less about ‘market distortion’- they only want to shit can ExIm because companies with large UNIONIZED workforces (Boeing) benefit from it.

Every other industrialized nation offers below-market interest rates to purchasers of big-ticket items like airplanes, ships, etc. The stupidity of Republicans naturally would dictate they get rid of ExIm.

Now if only Reptards had crossed party lines to deny the rest of tRump’s agency picks…

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:20:17pm
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John Carter  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:20:32pm

re: #70 Mike Lamb

These fucking monsters. Making me agree with Joe Walsh.

Serious question: when they say the corporate tax cut is “permanent”, that only means in the context of this specific legislation, correct? That there is no sunset provision? A democratic congress/President could pass new legislation to reverse the tax breaks?

He would have voted for it if he was still in.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:21:43pm
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Kragar  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:22:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:24:21pm

re: #101 The Vicious Babushka

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A former waiter screwing over current waiters.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:25:28pm

re: #102 Kragar

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Not only that, but there were Republicans who voted against it. Kinda hard to say “We believe in tax cuts for the middle class” when even people in your party see this bill is a shit sandwich and refused to take a bite.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:25:47pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

A former waiter screwing over current waiters.

A perfect personification of “Fuck you, I’ve got mine.”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:26:31pm

re: #99 The Vicious Babushka

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:28:04pm

The GOP provided relief for the middle class and poor. They have relieved them of their money and given it to those they consider “more deserving.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:28:21pm

re: #105 Targetpractice

A perfect personification of “Fuck you, I’ve got mine.”

It’s been Ryan’s life in politics to a tee.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:28:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:29:18pm

re: #109 Charles Johnson

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A nice thank you to the donors.

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EPR-radar  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:29:47pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

The GOP provided relief for the middle class and poor. They have relieved them of their money and given it to those they consider “more deserving.”

Republicans moan, Republicans bitch,
‘Our rich are too poor, and our poor are too rich’

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:30:18pm

re: #109 Charles Johnson

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Thanks for this. This is useful, although the people who are going to get screwed the hardest by this tax bill are those who probably will not under any circumstances accept that it was their votes that screwed them.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:31:07pm

Always remember the mantra:

The poor will do more if given less.
The rich will do less unless given more.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:31:54pm

I really REALLY hate him

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:33:32pm

MY SENATOR

MY CONGRESS PERSON

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:34:44pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

I really REALLY hate him

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:38:51pm

THESE TWO ASSHOLES==>

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:40:48pm

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

THESE TWO ASSHOLES==>

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He’s as much of a clown as Crowder.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:41:02pm

re: #111 EPR-radar

Republicans moan, Republicans bitch,
‘Our rich are too poor, and our poor are too rich’

“The rich don’t have money to create jobs, and the poor have refrigerators and AC! We must remedy this in order to make America!”

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MsJ  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:41:21pm
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retired cynic  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:42:01pm

re: #120 MsJ

OH! All digits braided!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:42:02pm

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

THESE TWO ASSHOLES==>

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These two between them are two assholes who deserve a good ass kicking. Never saw Ben condemn Palin or any Republican for hysterics about any Obama policy.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:42:08pm

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

THESE TWO ASSHOLES==>

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:42:27pm

re: #120 MsJ

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Wow just wow.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:42:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:43:04pm

re: #123 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Eric doesn’t talk as much and Barron hardly ever does. Barron is the smartest Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:43:21pm

re: #125 Ace-o-aces

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That was different.//:

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Sir John Barron  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:47:39pm

re: #125 Ace-o-aces

Trump’s MAGA stock market economy and new coal jobz has cured everything.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:51:59pm
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Kragar  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:54:02pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:54:40pm

re: #125 Ace-o-aces

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Let’s not forget the economic implosion that was supposed to happen when first Clinton and then Obama raised taxes during their presidencies.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 19, 2017 • 12:55:52pm

re: #117 The Vicious Babushka

THESE TWO ASSHOLES==>

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Pride goeth before a fall…

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petesh  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:02:46pm

re: #81 Stanley Sea

Rohrbacher & Issa

They are both in trouble, and there are specific targeted campaigns organized against both of them as well as all the other California-based Republican Congresscritters.

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bratwurst  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:03:37pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:07:18pm

re: #130 Kragar

Don’t forget Susan Sarandon.

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petesh  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:07:26pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

Eric doesn’t talk as much and Barron hardly ever does. Barron is the smartest Trump.

Possibly, but I can’t rule out Tiffany

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retired cynic  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:07:59pm

Two favorites here: John Scalzi and cats. They have provided their cats with a new environment for Christmas.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:09:01pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

I have a small glimmer of hope that Barron will be the one to do good things with his life.

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darthstar  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:10:39pm

re: #138 Ace Rothstein

I have a small glimmer of hope that Barron will be the one to do good things with his life.

That’s just because he’s young. It depends on how long it takes for Melania to take him away from his father’s influence.

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retired cynic  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:12:27pm

re: #137 retired cynic

Two favorites here: John Scalzi and cats. They have provided their cats with a new environment for Christmas.

And one of the comments added this over the top link: And I covet it!

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William Lewis  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:12:54pm

To an unknown Lizard:

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Kragar  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:16:27pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:16:46pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:23:15pm

So she’s not saying that the GOP begged the DNC to help them with the bill, she’s saying that DNC should have been begging to be part of the bill.

Totally different set of circumstances, folks./////

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:23:56pm

Oh please, Ted, destroy her.

All of America will thank you.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:24:52pm

re: #144 Targetpractice

Multiple democrats have publicly stated they would have been willing to work with the GOP on genuine tax reform.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:25:40pm

re: #146 Eclectic Cyborg

Multiple democrats have publicly stated they would have been willing to work with the GOP on genuine tax reform.

Which is what makes this whole thing even more of a farce, that the GOP are so desperate to wash the stink of this bill off that they’re openly lying about the DNC not wanting any part of tax reform.

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makeitstop  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:28:44pm
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Ace Rothstein  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:33:05pm

Because I’m self-employed, and for tax reasons I’m considered a sole proprietor, under this tax bill I will be able to take a deduction of 20% right off the top for the sole reason of being self employed, period. No other reason. Someone else that makes the same amount of money I do, but works for someone in a “normal job” won’t. It’s criminal.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:34:01pm
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Kragar  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:34:53pm
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FormerDirtDart  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:36:38pm
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S'latch  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:38:52pm

It’s 323 days until Tuesday, November 6, 2018.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:41:53pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:42:02pm

re: #152 FormerDirtDart

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:42:23pm

re: #152 FormerDirtDart

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Woohoo!

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retired cynic  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:43:12pm

re: #152 FormerDirtDart

YAY! Some good news!!!

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retired cynic  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:43:54pm

re: #153 S’latch

It’s 323 days until Tuesday, November 6, 2018.

We need a countdown clock on the right side!!!

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A Mom Anon  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:44:40pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson

Fucking Robber Barons.

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VegasGolfer  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:52:36pm

Mayor McCheese (christie) turning himself into a pretzel (morbidly obese pretzel) trying to defend lying Sessions on Nicole Wallace’s show

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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2017 • 1:58:52pm

I can’t believe this UFO bullshit is coming up again.

I love science fiction. But UFOs are not spacecraft piloted by aliens, sorry. The millions of dollars that the Pentagon spent on this is a ridiculous waste of money.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:00:42pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:01:01pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

I can’t believe this UFO bullshit is coming up again.

I love science fiction. But UFOs are not spacecraft piloted by aliens, sorry. The millions of dollars that the Pentagon spent on this is a ridiculous waste of money.

Well, to be fair, if anything is likely to arrive to this planet after a very long trip across the space between stars…it’s like to be robotic probes than alien visitors.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:03:52pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

I can’t believe this UFO bullshit is coming up again.

I love science fiction. But UFOs are not spacecraft piloted by aliens, sorry. The millions of dollars that the Pentagon spent on this is a ridiculous waste of money.

Of course not. That’s silly. It’s obviously time travelers.
/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:04:02pm

this should be fun for regular tax filers/preparers

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:07:53pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

this should be fun for regular tax filers/preparers

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“Our buddies making the millions and billions annually? They get their cuts this year. You folks lucky enough to make it from paycheck to paycheck? You get screwed by those ‘high rates’ another year before you get a break, a year in which we intend to go on screwing you without lube. Thanks for buying that whole ‘economic anxiety,’ losers!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:09:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:11:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:11:17pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yep. Nothing says sucker like the working stiffs that make up the GOP base.

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Archangelus  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:12:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:13:52pm

oh sure…go ahead and try that…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:15:58pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh sure…go ahead and try that…

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“Liberty”

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:16:07pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh sure…go ahead and try that…

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“Law & order,” my ass.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:16:24pm

re: #162 FormerDirtDart

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I know it is a near impossibility, but it would be downright hilarious if eleven House Republicans decided to have a sudden moment of conscience and changed their vote to a ‘no’ during the re-vote tomorrow.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:16:44pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:17:29pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

Yep. Nothing says sucker like the working stiffs that make up the GOP base.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:18:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:18:32pm

re: #176 Eclectic Cyborg

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It’ll never stop being true.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:19:43pm

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:19:45pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

this should be fun for regular tax filers/preparers

@WSJ
The new tax rate takes effect on Jan. 1, a year sooner than proposed, giving firms an extra year of lower tax

I would not be surprised if damn near every corporation in America files for an extension on Jan. 2nd, to give them time to determine what new ways they can carry over 2017 tax liabilities into 2018 to pay even less.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:20:11pm

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think that’s a bonus for them. They WANT to hurt us and want us to die. They hate us and love it that we’re fighting each other instead of them. Their divisive shit has worked just well enough to allow this.

The next Republican to whine about taxes and money and finances in my presence is getting a foot planted somewhere.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:24:09pm

re: #176 Eclectic Cyborg
yep.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:24:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:25:44pm
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Interesting Times  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:27:13pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

Yep. Nothing says sucker like the working stiffs that make up the GOP base.

This dKos diary is chilling:

My visit helped confirm my fear that rural white Americans - in areas far beyond the south - have permanently abandoned the Democrats in staggering numbers. It’s not because of policy; if these citizens really looked, they’d find the Democrats’ economic and healthcare agendas and “families before corporations” values would be to their liking. Instead, huge numbers of white rural America believe Democrats stand for an America which they don’t recognize, which they fear, and which they resent.

Strongly suggest reading the whole thing - it confirms, yet again, that it’s useless to try “outreach” to people willfully stuck in the past. Instead, Dems should run on policies that benefit ALL working- and middle-class people (tailored to regional concerns, NOT skin color). Some rural whites might see the light, but the rest, as the diarist says, are gone for good.

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majii  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:27:32pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

“Yep. Nothing says sucker like the working stiffs that make up the GOP base.”

What continues to surprise me about them are the lengths they’ll go to to push the GOP agenda even if it harms themselves and their families. For example, higher membership in unions would likely increase their salaries and provide good benefits for them and their families and help the economy, but because they watch Fox News, they’ve been convinced that unions are bad and right-to-work laws are great. If they knew that many of those employed by Fox News are probably union members, it would blow their minds. It’s very likely that The Talking Yam has a SAG membership due to his POS reality show The Apprentice, but they wouldn’t believe that either, and if the TY were asked about it, he’d lie.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:27:52pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:35:24pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

this should be fun for regular tax filers/preparers

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Hope you took this into account with your quarterly tax payments this year.

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majii  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:37:57pm

re: #185 Interesting Times

“Strongly suggest reading the whole thing - it confirms, yet again, that it’s useless to try “outreach” to people willfully stuck in the past. Instead, Dems should run on policies that benefit ALL working- and middle-class people (tailored to regional concerns, NOT skin color). Some rural whites might see the light, but the rest, as the diarist says, are gone for good.”

Having lived in GA while being black for over 60 years, I have witnessed firsthand what this diarist wrote about. Many whites in GA and in other states have been convinced by the GOP to hate their fellow Americans even if those persons are focused on creating policies that would improve their lives. All we have to do to get partial confirmation of this is to look at how the majority on the right was convinced to hate Obamacare and think it was “the end of life as we know it in America” all while they were signing up for it and benefiting from it. The very president that they had been told was the anti-Christ was the guy who helped millions of them get healthcare coverage for the first time in their lives. SMDH at their gullibility and stupidity.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:39:16pm

re: #186 majii

“Yep. Nothing says sucker like the working stiffs that make up the GOP base.”

What continues to surprise me about them are the lengths they’ll go to to push the GOP agenda even if it harms themselves and their families. For example, higher membership in unions would likely increase their salaries and provide good benefits for them and their families and help the economy, but because they watch Fox News, they’ve been convinced that unions are bad and right-to-work laws are great. If they knew that many of those employed by Fox News are probably union members, it would blow their minds. It’s very likely that The Talking Yam has a SAG membership due to his POS reality show The Apprentice, but they wouldn’t believe that either, and if the TY were asked about it, he’d lie.

Unions in this country ended up being the convenient scapegoat for business leaders and Republican politicians who needed to explain why their “tax cuts for the middle class” were instead leading businesses into automation and moving jobs overseas. So began the portrayal of union leaders as corrupt assholes using dues to live lavish lifestyles, union dues as going to elect “tax and spend” Democrats, and unions themselves as being the driver of jobs away from Americans by pushing unreasonable demands and getting union guys Cadillac benefits at the expense of consumers. See also: The Big 3’s excuse for why their cars suddenly sucked compared to foreign competition and why car prices skyrocketed while quality went out the window.

Hence the move now towards “right-to-work,” which they convince their mind-numbed minions is actually “good” for them because businesses love to move to states where workers have virtually no rights and the state/local laws on worker rights and safety are treated like suggestions rather than enforced. Hence why you won’t hear the horror stories on Fox about Korean-owned companies that set unrealistically high worker production quotas, punish the managers for failing to meet said quotas, and then paper over worker injuries/deaths by blaming the workers and sending the families paltry “Go away” checks.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:40:53pm

OK, this made me laugh. I am ashamed of myself.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:41:02pm

re: #186 majii

“Yep. Nothing says sucker like the working stiffs that make up the GOP base.”

What continues to surprise me about them are the lengths they’ll go to to push the GOP agenda even if it harms themselves and their families. For example, higher membership in unions would likely increase their salaries and provide good benefits for them and their families and help the economy, but because they watch Fox News, they’ve been convinced that unions are bad and right-to-work laws are great. If they knew that many of those employed by Fox News are probably union members, it would blow their minds. It’s very likely that The Talking Yam has a SAG membership due to his POS reality show The Apprentice, but they wouldn’t believe that either, and if the TY were asked about it, he’d lie.

You don’t have to tell me. I deal with family members who hated the “CENSORED RACIAL SLUR” in the White House so much they refused to apply for Medicaid or get health insurance!

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:41:24pm

re: #186 majii

“Yep. Nothing says sucker like the working stiffs that make up the GOP base.”

What continues to surprise me about them are the lengths they’ll go to to push the GOP agenda even if it harms themselves and their families. For example, higher membership in unions would likely increase their salaries and provide good benefits for them and their families and help the economy, but because they watch Fox News, they’ve been convinced that unions are bad and right-to-work laws are great. If they knew that many of those employed by Fox News are probably union members, it would blow their minds. It’s very likely that The Talking Yam has a SAG membership due to his POS reality show The Apprentice, but they wouldn’t believe that either, and if the TY were asked about it, he’d lie.

this is all to rational and logical

they just had their pockets picked
they dont realize it
and they’re happy about it

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:42:02pm

re: #185 Interesting Times

This dKos diary is chilling:

Strongly suggest reading the whole thing - it confirms, yet again, that it’s useless to try “outreach” to people willfully stuck in the past. Instead, Dems should run on policies that benefit ALL working- and middle-class people (tailored to regional concerns, NOT skin color). Some rural whites might see the light, but the rest, as the diarist says, are gone for good.

What it also shows is that, contrary to the fantasies of the Bros, we cannot win back the South by appealing to the “economic anxiety” of Southern whites. Because they don’t see “economic anxiety” in terms of $15/hr minimum wages or “free” health care, they see it as “those ni-CLANGs get a seat at the same table and I don’t like that!”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:42:44pm

re: #194 dangerman

this is all to rational and logical

they just had their pockets picked
they dont realize it
and they’re happy about it

They do not care. As long as they believe that Trump is smacking down colored people and the queers, they’ll see nothing wrong with getting screwed by Wall Street!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:43:15pm

re: #186 majii

“Yep. Nothing says sucker like the working stiffs that make up the GOP base.”

What continues to surprise me about them are the lengths they’ll go to to push the GOP agenda even if it harms themselves and their families. For example, higher membership in unions would likely increase their salaries and provide good benefits for them and their families and help the economy, but because they watch Fox News, they’ve been convinced that unions are bad and right-to-work laws are great. If they knew that many of those employed by Fox News are probably union members, it would blow their minds. It’s very likely that The Talking Yam has a SAG membership due to his POS reality show The Apprentice, but they wouldn’t believe that either, and if the TY were asked about it, he’d lie.

Fuck, Reagan was our only president to be president of a Union and he waged war on them. What makes movement conservatism work is scapegoats usually people who look different in some way.

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Renaissance_Man  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:44:26pm

re: #185 Interesting Times

This dKos diary is chilling:

Strongly suggest reading the whole thing - it confirms, yet again, that it’s useless to try “outreach” to people willfully stuck in the past. Instead, Dems should run on policies that benefit ALL working- and middle-class people (tailored to regional concerns, NOT skin color). Some rural whites might see the light, but the rest, as the diarist says, are gone for good.

What that diary doesn’t recognise, and what the ‘intelligent’ newspaper editor also doesn’t recognise, is that these people are indeed gone - not necessarily for good, but for as long as they are fed hate.

This is not a case of progress running up against an intractable stubbornness ingrained into rural white Americans. This is a group of people that have been deliberately targeted and fed hate every hour of every day, whipped into a frenzy of loathing and hatred for the specific goal of making them pliable and willing to buy things, be it crappy goods or political candidates. They have been deliberately made into a hate cult and are unreachable because of that. Does that make any difference to the fact that they are unreachable? Perhaps, only in that if we were to find some way to curtail the massive infrastructure of their cult of hate, there might be a way to lessen their impact at the ballot box. It’s an alternative method of defeating them.

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:44:42pm

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

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yup
NYT (fwiw) editorial on 12/17

The Republican tax bill does not pass the postcard test. It leaves nearly every large tax break in place. It creates as many new preferences for special interests as it gets rid of. It will keep corporate accountants busy for years to come. And no taxpayer will ever see the postcard-size tax return that President Trump laid a kiss on in November as Republican leaders launched their tax overhaul effort. This was not the grand simplification of the code that Republicans promised when they set out to eliminate tax breaks and cut the number of tax brackets as they lowered rates.

emphasis all mine

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:45:13pm

re: #195 Targetpractice

What it also shows is that, contrary to the fantasies of the Bros, we cannot win back the South by appealing to the “economic anxiety” of Southern whites. Because they don’t see “economic anxiety” in terms of $15/hr minimum wages or “free” health care, they see it as “those ni-CLANGs get a seat at the same table and I don’t like that!”

Which despite what Bernie says is one of the main reasons why we lost their vote. They’d rather screw black working class people than see that they get screwed by the same policies but they’ve been told by GOP politicians a bunch of bs so the cycle continues.

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Old Liberal  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:45:30pm

re: #186 majii

Add in the abortion, guns, god and gay. Union members voted Republican since Reagan, mostly over their gun fetish. Understand that the only people left out here are the ones that lacked the intelligence and the drive to go somewhere else. The few smart kids leave and never come back, leaving the dull and disinterested to marry and make more dull disinterested kids. I was a substitute teacher out here, this is a fact not an opinion. These places empty out every 20 years and their dismal economies deplete. Dairies went under in the 80’s, retail went under in the 90’s, recreation/construction went under in the 2000’s. IMHO we non-racists need to focus on the young urban people. I know people like to say “but what about me here in red country”, well, frankly, I’m leaving this state and going to a blue state because the future here is just more decay and desolation.

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calochortus  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:46:08pm

re: #195 Targetpractice

What it also shows is that, contrary to the fantasies of the Bros, we cannot win back the South by appealing to the “economic anxiety” of Southern whites. Because they don’t see “economic anxiety” in terms of $15/hr minimum wages or “free” health care, they see it as “those ni-CLANGs get a seat at the same table and I don’t like that!”

I’m sure I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again. When many of us look at rural GOP voters and ask why they are voting against their own interests, we’re using a very narrow definition of self interest.
Maybe they won’t get a good job or make more money, but they will get the psychological rewards of being more privileged than some other group. They won’t ever be rich, no matter who is president, so that doesn’t figure into the equation.

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:49:27pm

re: #196 Joe Bacon 🌹

They do not care. As long as they believe that Trump is smacking down colored people and the queers, they’ll see nothing wrong with getting screwed by Wall Street!

and that is not something you engage to try and change hearts minds opinions etc with persuasion

that’s something you leave in the road behind as you weave around and speed past

and no, politically, im not sure how to do that yet. having a much clearer idea of the problem does help some

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:49:43pm

re: #199 dangerman

yup
NYT (fwiw) editorial on 12/17

emphasis all mine

There will never been a Republican-approved tax code that passes that “test” because so long as there are special interests to line their pockets, there will be carve-outs and loopholes in the tax code.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:51:12pm

re: #202 calochortus

I’m sure I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again. When many of us look at rural GOP voters and ask why they are voting against their own interests, we’re using a very narrow definition of self interest.
Maybe they won’t get a good job or make more money, but they will get the psychological rewards of being more privileged than some other group. They won’t ever be rich, no matter who is president, so that doesn’t figure into the equation.

Exactly, they don’t care that they might live in squalor and poverty, just so long as the ni-CLANG next door has it worse than them. If they’ve got to shit in a pot, they want to ensure that nobody with skin darker than them has a pot to shit in. And will vote for a Republican if he promises them not only a pot, but that he’ll swipe those pots from the ni-CLANGs in the process.

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majii  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:54:05pm

re: #191 Targetpractice

“Hence the move now towards “right-to-work,” which they convince their mind-numbed minions is actually “good” for them because businesses love to move to states where workers have virtually no rights and the state/local laws on worker rights and safety are treated like suggestions rather than enforced.”

My youngest brother lives in Washington State and works for Boeing as an electrician. A few years back, we discussed the company’s decision to build a plant in S.C. I told him the top starting salary in S.C. would be a little over $10.00/hr. I used to read The State, SC’s largest newspaper. Those who were commenting there thought that $10.00/hr was a great salary. Working for the same company, my brother makes more than three times what Boeing workers in S.C. make. Part of the deal S.C. lawmakers offered Boeing included the fact that Boeing wouldn’t have to be bothered by “union interference” in S.C. Mark Sanford sold his state’s citizens out to get the Boeing plant. Shortly after the plant went into production mode, work had to stop because the company discovered that quite a few of the workers they’d hired didn’t have the necessary skills to do their jobs and fill the orders. Boeing had to pay a fine to the customer for every Dreamliner it couldn’t deliver on time. Imagine that!

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:55:05pm
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dangerman  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:56:46pm

re: #204 Targetpractice

There will never been a Republican-approved tax code that passes that “test” because so long as there are special interests to line their pockets, there will be carve-outs and loopholes in the tax code.

oh for sure. each and every line on every single tax form (let alone ‘return’) has many, many special interests behind it

the 86 act (reagan) was a stab at “simplification”. (it didnt).
politics aside, anyone who understands phase ins and phase outs alone knows the code itself can never shrink

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electrotek  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:56:54pm

I’m sure Abe isn’t pleased with this endorsement:

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dell*nix  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:57:40pm

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

RICO the GOP!

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:58:59pm

re: #205 Targetpractice

Exactly, they don’t care that they might live in squalor and poverty, just so long as the ni-CLANG next door has it worse than them. If they’ve got to shit in a pot, they want to ensure that nobody with skin darker than them has a pot to shit in. And will vote for a Republican if he promises them not only a pot, but that he’ll swipe those pots from the ni-CLANGs in the process.

i dont want to start piling on rural america too much here. still i think it’s worse than that:

it seems its any ni-clang anywhere — could be 5 states away or clear across the country

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 2:59:24pm

re: #206 majii

“Hence the move now towards “right-to-work,” which they convince their mind-numbed minions is actually “good” for them because businesses love to move to states where workers have virtually no rights and the state/local laws on worker rights and safety are treated like suggestions rather than enforced.”

My youngest brother lives in Washington State and works for Boeing as an electrician. A few years back, we discussed the company’s decision to build a plant in S.C. I told him the top starting salary in S.C. would be a little over $10.00/hr. I used to read The State, SC’s largest newspaper. Those who were commenting there thought that $10.00/hr was a great salary. Working for the same company, my brother makes more than three times what Boeing workers in S.C. make. Part of the deal S.C. lawmakers offered Boeing included the fact that Boeing wouldn’t have to be bothered by “union interference” in S.C. Mark Sanford sold his state’s citizens out to get the Boeing plant. Shortly after the plant went into production mode, work had to stop because the company discovered that quite a few of the workers they’d hired didn’t have the necessary skills to do their jobs and fill the orders. Boeing had to pay a fine to the customer for every Dreamliner it couldn’t deliver on time. Imagine that!

I remember hearing much the same thing back around ‘09-‘10, when the economy was struggling to start rebuilding after the GR. The complaint was that there were a lot of jobs out there…they just required education and experience that was in short supply among workers. Which means companies either weren’t willing to expand or were…but had to spend money retraining people to do what was seen as “basic” work by their new employers. And that’s not including all the businesses that are listing years of experience in a field for entry-level jobs.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:00:22pm

Now instead of a decade of whining about the 35% corporate tax rate, we get to listen to a decade of whining about how 21% is communism and 0% is the only way to save the american worker.

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calochortus  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:00:54pm

re: #205 Targetpractice

Exactly, they don’t care that they might live in squalor and poverty, just so long as the ni-CLANG next door has it worse than them. If they’ve got to shit in a pot, they want to ensure that nobody with skin darker than them has a pot to shit in. And will vote for a Republican if he promises them not only a pot, but that he’ll swipe those pots from the ni-CLANGs in the process.

We all tend to rate our level of prosperity by looking around us. We live in a community with a lot of money sloshing around in it. We aren’t poor by any stretch of the imagination, but I feel confident that our income is well below the average for our area. When you spend time with people who all just got back from some exotic locale or bought a Tesla, or whatever, you need to do a reality check as to where you are on the socio-economic ladder from time to time. If you really are poor, it has to be hard on one’s self esteem, even if it is through no fault of your own.

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dangerman  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:01:49pm

re: #79 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hucky Boo Boo will reply “Why doesn’t Hillary show how much she received in the Uranium deal?”

Honestly, how does that witch sleep? Every word out of her mouth is a lie. Even when she farts and belches she lies!

well my response to her response would be that she’s not president, had no input and isnt going to sign the bill

then i’d say you show me yours and i’ll show you hers. which i already know is zero.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:02:51pm

re: #213 Amory Blaine

Now instead of a decade of whining about the 35% corporate tax rate, we get to listen to a decade of whining about how 21% is communism and 0% is the only way to save the american worker.

“This 21% tax rate is stifling American ingenuity and entrepreneurship! If we had a 0% rate, then businesses would be free to hire more workers and expand their factories!”

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BeachDem  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:03:22pm

re: #185 Interesting Times

This dKos diary is chilling:

Strongly suggest reading the whole thing - it confirms, yet again, that it’s useless to try “outreach” to people willfully stuck in the past. Instead, Dems should run on policies that benefit ALL working- and middle-class people (tailored to regional concerns, NOT skin color). Some rural whites might see the light, but the rest, as the diarist says, are gone for good.

He went to Hillsboro, OH and is quoting freaking Abernathy, who, for some reason, the WaPo lets spew his crap pretty regularly. I occasionally read his crap for an eye-roll or two, and have never learned anything from him other than that he is full of crap. YMMV

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:07:17pm

Ryan has completely internalized the lessons of Trumpism - truth doesn’t matter. Say whatever you think might work.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:09:42pm

re: #218 Blind Frog Belly White

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Ryan has completely internalized the lessons of Trumpism - truth doesn’t matter. Say whatever you think might work.

Funny, the last time the tax code changed in a major fashion to favor businesses, what followed was a mass exodus of jobs to foreign locales and automation to replace the simpler tasks.

But I’m sure that was coincidental and that this time what will follow will be a flood of high-paying jobs that address the wealth of unskilled labor this nation enjoys.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:11:45pm

re: #219 Targetpractice

Funny, the last time the tax code changed in a major fashion to favor businesses, what followed was a mass exodus of jobs to foreign locales and automation to replace the simpler tasks.

But I’m sure that was coincidental and that this time what will follow will be a flood of high-paying jobs that address the wealth of unskilled labor this nation enjoys.

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Remembering that Paul Ryan is a follower of Ayn Rand should have been a clue that he not only doesn’t believe that cutting taxes for business owners will raise wages for workers, but also he doesn’t believe that wages for workers SHOULD rise.

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calochortus  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:13:05pm

What I have never, ever been able to understand is the people who don’t want their (or anyone else’s) kids to be better educated than they are.
Really? Let’s just stagnate and not make any new discoveries?

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Old Liberal  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:15:20pm

re: #221 calochortus

Ah dint nede skoool y doo thay nede it?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:16:41pm

re: #221 calochortus

What I have never, ever been able to understand is the people who don’t want their (or anyone else’s) kids to be better educated than they are.
Really? Let’s just stagnate and not make any new discoveries?

If you already have that inferiority complex that makes you call people who actually know stuff ‘elites’, then the idea that your children might end up knowing more than you is intolerable. Indeed, the idea that ANYONE might know more than you is intolerable.

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calochortus  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:19:41pm

re: #223 Blind Frog Belly White

If you already have that inferiority complex that makes you call people who actually know stuff ‘elites’, then the idea that your children might end up knowing more than you is intolerable. Indeed, the idea that ANYONE might know more than you is intolerable.

We lived in Lancaster, PA for a few years and I was honestly shocked that there were people there who didn’t want their kids to be smarter than they were. I want my kids to be smarter, better looking, and happier* than I am.

*I’m a happy, intelligent person. I just want the very best for my kids.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:24:42pm

re: #224 calochortus

We lived in Lancaster, PA for a few years and I was honestly shocked that there were people there who didn’t want their kids to be smarter than they were. I want my kids to be smarter, better looking, and happier* than I am.

*I’m a happy, intelligent person. I just want the very best for my kids.

I gre up about an hour west on Rt. 30. There is a VERY strong anti-intellectual strain there. I think, in addition to the question of not wanting their kids to be smarter, there’s also the fear that if their kids go to college, they’ll reject their parents’ religious teachings.

This is completely antithetical to how I was raised. My parents, especially my Mom, raised us to think for ourselves. I know she was disappointed by my atheism, but I know she respected me for arriving at my own conclusions.

I always wonder - if your faith is so fragile that it can only be maintained by keeping its adherents ignorant, what kind of faith is it?

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:27:23pm

Because 2017 just isn’t quite done with us yet…

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:29:05pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:31:27pm

re: #227 FormerDirtDart

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He was one of those silver-spoon kids who worked a menial job not because he needed the money, but because he needed the connections that the job would make for him. It’s like the trust fund kiddie who works for a summer as a caddy at daddy’s golf club, he’s there because his daddy’s business partners frequent the club and spending time around them will help when it comes time to take over the business or start his own.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:31:59pm

re: #181 A Mom Anon

I think that’s a bonus for them. They WANT to hurt us and want us to die. They hate us and love it that we’re fighting each other instead of them. Their divisive shit has worked just well enough to allow this.

The next Republican to whine about taxes and money and finances in my presence is getting a foot planted somewhere.

Repeated because it needs repeating every few hours.

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calochortus  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:32:47pm

re: #225 Blind Frog Belly White

I gre up about an hour west on Rt. 30. There is a VERY strong anti-intellectual strain there. I think, in addition to the question of not wanting their kids to be smarter, there’s also the fear that if their kids go to college, they’ll reject their parents’ religious teachings.

This is completely antithetical to how I was raised. My parents, especially my Mom, raised us to think for ourselves. I know she was disappointed by my atheism, but I know she respected me for arriving at my own conclusions.

I always wonder - if your faith is so fragile that it can only be maintained by keeping its adherents ignorant, what kind of faith is it?

Many people’s faith is fragile and I suspect they fear losing it themselves. I think it reduces it to the level of a superstition that you have to believe in or you won’t get the magic. Of course, I’m an atheist, born and raised, so I may not be the best source of theological interpretation.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:38:18pm

re: #225 Blind Frog Belly White

I gre up about an hour west on Rt. 30. There is a VERY strong anti-intellectual strain there. I think, in addition to the question of not wanting their kids to be smarter, there’s also the fear that if their kids go to college, they’ll reject their parents’ religious teachings.

This is completely antithetical to how I was raised. My parents, especially my Mom, raised us to think for ourselves. I know she was disappointed by my atheism, but I know she respected me for arriving at my own conclusions.

I always wonder - if your faith is so fragile that it can only be maintained by keeping its adherents ignorant, what kind of faith is it?

The sort of faith that pines for the days when the religious texts and services were conducted strictly in Latin because keeping the peons in the pews ignorant of what the book actually said made it easy to tell them whatever you like and have them believe it was God’s word. While we love the current guy wearing the big hat, it helps to remember that Benedict showed there remains a strong streak of conservatism in Holy Mother Church. And that while you’ll find Sunday preachers who encourage followers to educate themselves, there’s just as many who preach fire and brimstone upon any who question “the word of God.”

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majii  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:39:09pm

re: #223 Blind Frog Belly White

“If you already have that inferiority complex that makes you call people who actually know stuff ‘elites’, then the idea that your children might end up knowing more than you is intolerable. Indeed, the idea that ANYONE might know more than you is intolerable.”

A couple years before I retired in 2009, my principal thought it was a good idea to pair me up with a co-teacher in two of my U.S. history classes. I knew her because she’d been one of my students, but what I didn’t know was that she hated that I knew the subject material better than she did. She started as a special education teacher, then decided she wanted to teach U.S. history which meant she was having to learn the subject matter. It made sense to me that she’d realize I had a better grasp of the subject matter than she did and not be resentful, but she was. I remember a student entering class one day and deciding to play “stump the teacher.” She and I were in the classroom together that day. The young man asked me about Proposition 187 and was surprised when I connected it to taxation and California. The student gave me props, but the look on her face was deadly. I had suspected before that day that she was resentful of my knowledge and ability to recall subject matter, but that day confirmed the idea in my mind that she simply couldn’t believe that I knew more U.S. history than she did. I also felt her negative feelings toward me may have had something to do with her inability to deal with the fact that race doesn’t determine one’s intellectual ability. Many Americans who don’t think that way would be surprised at the number of their fellow citizens who do think that being born into a certain racial group automatically makes one smarter than members of other racial groups. My views on education and my kid are similar to yours. I insisted my daughter educate herself beyond high school, and she did. I want her to do better in life than I’ve done. I always wanted her to be smarter than I am, and I reared her to believe that there’s no shame in being smart.>

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:43:25pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh sure…go ahead and try that…

We all know these assholes lie; the procedures are being funded by private money, not Federal money.

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makeitstop  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:47:45pm

I get a little consolation from the fact that everyone in Trumpworld is gonna get theirs. If not from Mueller, then from Trump himself. Thread.

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mmmirele  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:52:36pm

Thread by a reporter at Phoenix’s NPR affiliate regarding the criminally crappy health care in Arizona prisons by Corizon. I’m a taxpayer and horrified.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:55:17pm

re: #234 makeitstop

That description is so close to my experience that I started wondering if I have PTSD from the years with my crazy ex-boss.

Here’s a clue: when his world was falling apart, he managed to convince me that nobody would hire me because I was too closely tied to him.

After I left, I dithered for a month, putting together a resume and list of contacts. Two days after I sent it out, I got a call back, which led two days later to an interview which was basically “When can you start?” from one ot the guys who hated my ex-boss the most.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:55:34pm

re: #234 makeitstop

I get a little consolation from the fact that everyone in Trumpworld is gonna get theirs. If not from Mueller, then from Trump himself. Thread.

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The way things go in such matters, there’s only two real choices for Trump’s inner circle: Turn on him or go down with him. Because the odds you’ll walk away totally unscathed are remote and getting more so with each passing revelation. The last two months have shown that even “low level” guys are gonna get put under the microscope and if you’ve done anything to cover for Donny, you’re gonna spend time in Mueller’s hot seat.

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electrotek  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:58:07pm

So Bannon is REALLY wanting to establish Breitbart in Asia, preferably in Tokyo or Seoul.

Dear God Almighty, please smite Bannon into the abyss once and for all.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2017 • 3:59:03pm
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Bubblehead II  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:00:32pm

re: #216 Targetpractice

“This 21% tax rate is stifling American ingenuity and entrepreneurship! If we had a 0% rate, then businesses would be free to hire more workers and expand their factories!”

You forgot to add in removing the federal minimum wage. Also add in letting company owned stores and housing becoming the norm again.

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majii  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:02:15pm

re: #239 The Vicious Babushka

Beautiful! Thanks for posting the days of recognition.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:03:48pm

re: #102 Kragar

Good on Democrats for standing as one and voting against the tax bill. This is one of the many accomplishments they can run on next November.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:07:55pm

Paul Ryan has dreamed of this day since he was at parties in college discussing destroying Social Security and Medicare while filling up his Red Solo at the keg. When I was at parties in college, we talked about sports and girls.

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The Major  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:17:29pm

re: #238 electrotek

So Bannon is REALLY wanting to establish Breitbart in Asia, preferably in Tokyo or Seoul.

Japan has always been historically xenophobic, so this isn’t that far of a stretch -at the same time Japan’s population growth has been running negative for quite a while with no signs of it getting any better as their lost decade continues unabated….

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:17:41pm

re: #239 The Vicious Babushka

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Beautiful.

Have a wonderful 8th night.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:19:08pm

re: #238 electrotek

So Bannon is REALLY wanting to establish Breitbart in Asia, preferably in Tokyo or Seoul.

Dear God Almighty, please smite Bannon into the abyss once and for all.

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The last thing we need is a Breitbart Tokyo.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:19:11pm

I’m in the numb stage. Didn’t engage today, barely read the comments. Got a shit ton of work completed. (hmmmmmm)

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electrotek  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:19:42pm

re: #246 Barefoot Grin

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The last thing we need is a Breitbart Tokyo.

It’s already bad enough with those dreaded “sound trucks”.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:25:21pm

re: #244 The Major

Japan has always been historically xenophobic, so this isn’t that far of a stretch -at the same time Japan’s population growth has been running negative for quite a while with no signs of it getting any better as their lost decade continues unabated….

Those aren’t really the issues, though. Some Japanese are insular, but many are not. Some pine for the days of semi-divine emperor whose distant ancestor was Amaterasu’s grandson, but many do not. The economy won’t be back to 10% ever again (probably), but it has been doing ok in the last few years.

The problem is that those who understand what led to imperial ambition and emperor-worship and what it would mean again are dying off. If you can manipulate enough young Japanese to believe in Japanese exceptionalism (and there are plenty already), they can cow others into staying silent. Japan won’t be the same kind of threat it was before with the rise of China, but it could become the kind of country you think it already is.

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BeachDem  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:27:27pm

Quite the diplomat, our little Nikki. SHE’S TAKING NAMES (sounds a lot like Omarosa)

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electrotek  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:28:20pm

re: #249 Barefoot Grin

Those aren’t really the issues, though. Some Japanese are insular, but many are not. Some pine for the days of semi-divine emperor whose distant ancestor was Amaterasu’s grandson, but many do not. The economy won’t be back to 10% ever again (probably), but it has been doing ok in the last few years.

The problem is that those who understand what led to imperial ambition and emperor-worship and what it would mean again are dying off. If you can manipulate enough young Japanese to believe in Japanese exceptionalism (and there are plenty already), they can cow others into staying silent. Japan won’t be the same kind of threat it was before with the rise of China, but it could become the kind of country you think it already is.

I’m just glad the exchange rate is favorable for us right now as I’m looking to buy a Japanese-market car to bring in to the states soon.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:32:57pm

re: #243 Ace Rothstein

Paul Ryan has dreamed of this day since he was at parties in college discussing destroying Social Security and Medicare while filling up his Red Solo at the keg. When I was at parties in college, we talked about sports and girls.

“Hi, I’m Paul Ryan. I’m studying Government because can’t wait to rob future kids of the opportunities that made it possible for me to be here, at this college!”

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Decatur Deb  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:33:33pm

re: #250 BeachDem

Quite the diplomat, our little Nikki. SHE’S TAKING NAMES (sounds a lot like Omarosa)

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It will go on their Permanent Records.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:35:16pm

re: #250 BeachDem

Quite the diplomat, our little Nikki. SHE’S TAKING NAMES (sounds a lot like Omarosa)

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I’m sure China will be happy to step in and be friends with anyone we decide to snub, you stupid, stupid woman.


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