The Bob Cesca Show: Vulnerable Transgender Fetus

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Vulnerable Transgender Fetus: Not Safe For Work; Buzz Burbank from the Buzz Burbank News and Comment podcast is here; House passes Tax Scam bill; The latest details in the tax legislation; The repeal of the Mandate; Trumpers can’t say how repealing the mandate will improve costs and care; House Quake; The banned words inside the Trump CDC; The Trump war against Mueller; Trump can’t fire Mueller; The GSA Email Fracas; The FBI warned Trump about the Russians; Hope for reestablishing net neutrality; and much more.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:32:10pm

At least when middle class and working class Americans start getting screwed because of this tax scam, they know exactly who to blame. No Democrat is tied to this atrocity. This is all on the Republican party.

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nowherenorth2  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:35:49pm

re: #1 Patricia Kayden

They will somehow spin it to not be their fault.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:36:42pm

re: #2 nowherenorth2

They will somehow spin it to not be their fault.

They’ll blame Obama.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:38:02pm

Evening Lizardim. How go things?

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nowherenorth2  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:38:14pm

re: #3 Ace Rothstein

But her emails…

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:41:10pm

re: #5 nowherenorth2

Uranium…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:42:06pm

Goldman Sachs speeches!

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nowherenorth2  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:42:29pm

re: #6 Ace Rothstein

Clinton money for rewards for donating

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:42:58pm

re: #4 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Evening Lizardim. How go things?

You recovered? Your fishfolk happy with their gifts?

Oh, and photos please!

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:43:27pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:44:24pm

re: #1 Patricia Kayden

At least when middle class and working class Americans start getting screwed because of this tax scam, they know exactly who to blame. No Democrat is tied to this atrocity. This is all on the Republican party.

Not when the RepubliKKKlan 24/7 Bullshit Machine is cranked up to 11.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:46:00pm

re: #1 Patricia Kayden

At least when middle class and working class Americans start getting screwed because of this tax scam, they know exactly who to blame. No Democrat is tied to this atrocity. This is all on the Republican party.

Most Americans can’t even remember that Republicans took the country into a gov’t shutdown over the Affordable Care Act and that was just a little over 4 years ago. In a year’s time, all they’ll hear is “Democrats voted against tax cuts!” and that will be the history everybody suddenly remembers.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:47:01pm

re: #9 Stanley Sea

You recovered? Your fishfolk happy with their gifts?

Oh, and photos please!

Still recovering. I guess you guys haven’t heard about me coming down with some nasty form of food poisoning on the flight home and winding up having to cancel the last leg of my flight and take a hotel room to recuperate enough to fly back to fish country. Should’ve sent a call out to the NYC lizards to come look me up… if I’d managed to stay conscious for more than about 15 minutes at a stretch. I think I slept 16 hours on Sunday.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:47:53pm

re: #13 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Still recovering. I guess you guys haven’t heard about me coming down with some nasty form of food poisoning on the flight home and winding up having to cancel the last leg of my flight and take a hotel room to recuperate enough to fly back to fish country. Should’ve sent a call out to the NYC lizards to come look me up… if I’d managed to stay conscious for more than about 15 minutes at a stretch. I think I slept 16 hours on Sunday.

UGH.

Smart move though.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:48:00pm

re: #9 Stanley Sea

You recovered? Your fishfolk happy with their gifts?

Oh, and photos please!

And, yes, to answer your other question, fishfolk were all very pleased with their gifts. I will attend to the photos when I have opportunity.

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BigPapa  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:48:53pm

re: #4 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Evening Lizardim. How go things?

God Blesha United Shates

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:49:05pm

re: #15 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m really intrigued by the pearls. What a fantastic gift.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:49:07pm

re: #14 Stanley Sea

UGH.

Smart move though.

If there was any damn way I could have dragged myself onto that plane, no matter how miserable, I would’ve. But in the end, I just decided I couldn’t go through with it. I know I made the right choice in hindsight, but it wasn’t at all easy.

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BeachDem  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:50:47pm

When bowl game naming rights go too far—tonight on ESPN:

Cheribundi Tart Cherry Boca Raton Bowl

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nines09  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:50:51pm

If there is a lesson from all of the last whatever years…..There is NO election year. There is NO midterms. There is NOTHING but a non stop information stream from the GOP on how marvelous they are. They are not. The Democrats need to hammer who and what the Republicans are and what they bring/ take from the American people. The propaganda machine of the right never stopped. When the Democratic party and it’s backers realize it is now a 24/7/365 fight to a seat, maybe then we will right this ship. Many people are not tuned in, have no clue. Except for that Fox News AM radio onslaught, they are witless. I could go on for about 2 weeks here, but it never ends. It’s an election cycle that is everyday of every week of every month. That is what the GOP does. Non stop. Unending. Talking points, arm in arm, walking towards that paycheck. Until the Democratic Party supports down ticket and grass roots candidates EVERYWHERE, they will be outnumbered in voice. My 2 cents. We will survive this. We will. At what price remains to be seen. Election season started last century. Learn. IMHO. And when they go low….Knee them in the balls and punch them in the throat.
Just my humble opinion.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:51:13pm

re: #17 Stanley Sea

I’m really intrigued by the pearls. What a fantastic gift.

Hyderabad was and is, apparently, known as a center of the pearl trade. They have many government-inspected pearl vendors, and my local contacts took us to one that they recommended. It turned out spectacularly, and Mrs. Fish was most delighted with the end result. She won’t hardly take them off but to sleep.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:53:28pm

re: #19 BeachDem

When bowl game naming rights go too far—tonight on ESPN:

Cheribundi Tart Cherry Boca Raton Bowl

All I know is we aren’t in one for the first time in many. I had to look it up to confirm. #SAD

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:56:12pm

re: #21 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Hyderabad was and is, apparently, known as a center of the pearl trade. They have many government-inspected pearl vendors, and my local contacts took us to one that they recommended. It turned out spectacularly, and Mrs. Fish was most delighted with the end result. She won’t hardly take them off but to sleep.

Wow.

I have a sting of pearls, asked & received for my college grad present. Haven’t worn for years, but probably should, they are classic.

And not one of you mention Sarah Sanders. I’m completely blanking that out.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:58:59pm

You check out the newsstand and you see frontpage headlines that treat every utterance from Republican as undisputed fact. You pull up news websites and see “balanced” coverage that puts a Republican trying to bang his interns on the same level as a Democrat who once made a sexist remark back in 1980. And when you turn on the TV, you see “liberal” news networks bringing on pro-Trump commentators to tell folks about how Democrats are all a bunch of evil liars trying to overturn the election and stage a coup.

So I totally expect to hear before next November about how any economic downturn is totally the fault of Congressional Democrats and a significant fraction of the public to either buy it…or fall into the “no opinion” part of the pie chart.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:59:02pm

re: #23 Stanley Sea

Wow.

I have a sting of pearls, asked & received for my college grad present. Haven’t worn for years, but probably should, they are classic.

And not one of you mention Sarah Sanders. I’m completely blanking that out.

There’s just something about pearls when they’re done right. I mean, I see some pearl necklaces and I think, ugh, that’s just gaudy or ostentatious, or it’s overdone with the outfit or the look.

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William Lewis  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:59:23pm

re: #19 BeachDem

When bowl game naming rights go too far—tonight on ESPN:

Cheribundi Tart Cherry Boca Raton Bowl

There is the Rose Bowl, but only if a Big Ten team is playing. The rest are all just Meaningless Bowls.

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BeachDem  Dec 19, 2017 • 4:59:43pm

re: #22 Stanley Sea

All I know is we aren’t in one for the first time in many. I had to look it up to confirm. #SAD

If the only option would have been the Cheribundi Tart Cherry Boca Raton Bowl, be thankful for small favors!
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It’s between those two powerhouses—Akron and Florida Atlantic.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:00:20pm

It’s interesting - During the Obama Administration, taxes for the vast majority either went down or stayed the same, but there was a large portion of Americans who were ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that Obama had raised their taxes, even though in the majority of cases he had not.

In the case of this legislation, since most people already believe that it will raise their taxes, I doubt that there’s much the GOP can do to change that impression. And at this point nobody but Trump’s base believes anything he says, so him telling people he will personally lose money will convince pretty much nobody.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:01:27pm

re: #23 Stanley Sea

Oh, and Mrs. Fish did receive her sari… and we promptly spent half an hour trying to figure out how to wrap it before she finally admitted defeat and messaged my Indian co-worker who gifted her the item in question, asking for assistance. So I have yet to see how that looks, but the colors are astonishing.

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BeachDem  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:01:30pm

re: #23 Stanley Sea

Wow.

I have a sting of pearls, asked & received for my college grad present. Haven’t worn for years, but probably should, they are classic.

And not one of you mention Sarah Sanders. I’m completely blanking that out.

I’m sure yours look nothing like Sarah Huckabee Sanders’. Hers are just hideous.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:01:44pm

re: #8 nowherenorth2

Cattle futures…

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Interesting Times  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:04:38pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

So I totally expect to hear before next November about how any economic downturn is totally the fault of Congressional Democrats and a significant fraction of the public to either buy it…or fall into the “no opinion” part of the pie chart.

Then again…

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:08:37pm

re: #27 BeachDem

If the only option would have been the Cheribundi Tart Cherry Boca Raton Bowl, be thankful for small favors!
/
It’s between those two powerhouses—Akron and Florida Atlantic.

DAMN! It’s real! I thought it was some weird joke.
en.m.wikipedia.org
FAU has a 7-3 lead over Akron but it’s still early.

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Interesting Times  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:09:14pm

Make sure you save this link before trumpchumps and kremlin bots shut it down with fake abuse reports:

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:11:51pm

Reported them over a month ago.

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JordanRules  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:12:03pm
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William Lewis  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:12:50pm

re: #33 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

DAMN! It’s real! I thought it was some weird joke.
en.m.wikipedia.org
FAU has a 7-3 lead over Akron but it’s still early.

They invent bowl games to fleece sports addicts ala pulpit pimps inventing churches.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:15:45pm

re: #32 Interesting Times

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That’ll last right up until the DNC retakes Congress and/or the White House, then the numbers will flip and they’ll be back to believing the GOP know what’s best for the economy.

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Skip Intro  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:16:11pm

re: #34 Interesting Times

Make sure you save this link before trumpchumps and kremlin bots shut it down with fake abuse reports:

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I suspect that more than protests will be needed. Massive civil disobedience would be the starting point.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:17:49pm

re: #27 BeachDem

If the only option would have been the Cheribundi Tart Cherry Boca Raton Bowl, be thankful for small favors!
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It’s between those two powerhouses—Akron and Florida Atlantic.

That’s what makes it so amazing. We suck THAT BAD

Hail Dan Mullen.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:19:58pm

re: #29 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Oh, and Mrs. Fish did receive her sari… and we promptly spent half an hour trying to figure out how to wrap it before she finally admitted defeat and messaged my Indian co-worker who gifted her the item in question, asking for assistance. So I have yet to see how that looks, but the colors are astonishing.

OH the sari!!!!!! Probably a youtube tutorial out there.

I want a photo of that as well. Do a private page or something!

When it is warmer, she needs to wear it to a dinner out. It will be stunning.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:23:03pm

re: #30 BeachDem

I’m sure yours look nothing like Sarah Huckabee Sanders’. Hers are just hideous.

Mine are not tiny, but they are not big like SS’s.

I actually got up, went to the dresser where they’ve been stashed for years & pulled em out.

Thanks Mr. Dopefish. Amazing how the mind is stimulated just by reading LGF.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:23:43pm

re: #33 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

DAMN! It’s real! I thought it was some weird joke.
en.m.wikipedia.org
FAU has a 7-3 lead over Akron but it’s still early.

GO FAU

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:24:19pm

re: #34 Interesting Times

Make sure you save this link before trumpchumps and kremlin bots shut it down with fake abuse reports:

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I signed up for text messages.

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Sea Mexican!  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:33:01pm

re: #4 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Evening Lizardim. How go things?

Aside from my liver screaming for help for this week, everything is fine.

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How about you?

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JordanRules  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:44:08pm
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Sea Mexican!  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:44:29pm

re: #4 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m glad to hear you’re feeling better!

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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:53:04pm
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petesh  Dec 19, 2017 • 5:59:04pm

re: #6 Ace Rothstein

Uranium…

No, you’re a nium

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:00:21pm

re: #49 petesh

No, you’re ranium

Uragenius!

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petesh  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:01:33pm

re: #50 Jebediah, RBG

Uragenius!

But I edited it! What is a nium anyway?

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Teukka  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:04:39pm

re: #51 petesh

But I edited it! What is a nium anyway?

National Institute of Unani Medicine, Banglore (NIUM)?

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I cannot.  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:05:55pm

re: #51 petesh

A video game designed in the OLD 8-bit style

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:08:12pm

So what time was this Senate vote supposed to happen?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:08:32pm

re: #53 I cannot.

A video game designed in the OLD 8-bit style

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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:08:36pm
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petesh  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:09:21pm

re: #51 petesh

But I edited it! What is a nium anyway?

a Pittsburgh-based design and branding firm (sounds insulting enough but it’s real)
niuminc.com

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petesh  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:11:04pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

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So your pointing out his invasion of privacy is an invasion of privacy?

Or is it that reusing his image is a violation of copyright? That would be ironical.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:11:32pm

Florida Atlantic is leading Akron 28-3 now in the Cherry Ripe Lago Diablo Seco Bowl or whatever it’s called.
Third quarter.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:25:59pm

re: #60 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Wow, everybody on both sides of that case is nucking futs.

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MsJ  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:29:07pm

re: #60 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

She looked horrible. Like sick horrible. And she has the audacity you wear a necklace that says LOVE. Hate really does take a toll on your being.

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MsJ  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:29:43pm

re: #61 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow, everybody on both sides of that case is nucking futs.

I had a hard time rooting for anyone. Horribleness all around.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:36:28pm

re: #62 MsJ

She looked horrible. Like sick horrible. And she has the audacity you wear a necklace that says LOVE. Hate really does take a toll on your being.

Looks like dioxin poisoning.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:37:56pm

re: #64 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Looks like dioxin poisoning.

I think it’s meth.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:43:09pm

Speaking of deranged haters:

Facebook Post

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Amory Blaine  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:43:33pm

Computers and phones are down at work all day. Tomorrow morning is gonna be busy. But tonight..

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Interesting Times  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:44:26pm
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Er…what do the remaining 30% say? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯?

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:44:55pm

Tonight Rachel said that 2 weeks ago 62% of the benefits of the tax bill went to the 1% — today it is 83%. I guess this what happens when you support a feudal society and your funding all comes from the feudal overlords.

OT — I was on this site when suddenly none of my keys registered when typing. I ended up rebooting and the keyboard operates fine now. Any ideas on what may have happened?

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:49:55pm

re: #69 Hecuba’s daughter

Tonight Rachel said that 2 weeks ago 62% of the benefits of the tax bill went to the 1% — today it is 83%. I guess this what happens when you support a feudal society and your funding all comes from the feudal overlords.

OT — I was on this site when suddenly none of my keys registered when typing. I ended up rebooting and the keyboard operates fine now. Any ideas on what may have happened?

I’ve had that happen before, and I have no clue how it occurred or how I fixed it. I just kept playing with the mouse and tapping on keys until it worked.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:50:10pm

re: #51 petesh

But I edited it! What is a nium anyway?

I was going to say damned if I know but then you went and found out…

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:50:59pm

Holiday update!

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makeitstop  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:55:08pm

re: #72 Stanley Sea

Holiday update!

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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:55:18pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:55:29pm

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:59:07pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson
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@Green_Footballs
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Isn’t the problem that, based on prior history, Chuckie’s account always gets reinstated? So it would be logical to think that the suspension is temporary.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2017 • 6:59:15pm

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BeachDem  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:00:58pm

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:01:04pm

New Nespresso machine arrived for an early Christmas. Made one latte so far. Sooooooo goooooooooood!

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Amory Blaine  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:01:30pm

It’s a Festivus miracle!

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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:04:48pm

re: #76 Hecuba’s daughter

Isn’t the problem that, based on prior history, Chuckie’s account always gets reinstated? So it would be logical to think that the suspension is temporary.

Twitter has shut down Chuck’s sock puppet accounts over and over, more than 20 times. He really did get perma-banned.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:05:42pm

re: #75 Unshaken Defiance

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:07:06pm

re: #76 Hecuba’s daughter

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Isn’t the problem that, based on prior history, Chuckie’s account always gets reinstated? So it would be logical to think that the suspension is temporary.

Dick Costolo is a Twitter guy. It’s Facebook that continually reinstates the Rage Furbys account.

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Citizen K  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:07:49pm
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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:11:42pm

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Skip Intro  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:13:45pm

re: #84 Citizen K

He’s just thinking of the huge year end bonus he’s going to get from his owners, the Koch brothers.

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makeitstop  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:16:36pm

Those Trump guys. So popular.

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meteor  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:19:35pm

There is a shitty Intel ad that won’t stop playing at the bottom of this page. I don’t have $60 to go ad-free.

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Belafon  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:26:12pm
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Belafon  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:27:11pm
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Citizen K  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:27:27pm

re: #86 Skip Intro

He’s just thinking of the huge year end bonus he’s going to get from his owners, the Koch brothers.

I read that as ‘huge end year boner’ and I had to scrub my brain. Mind, I’m pretty sure the tax bill gives him exactly that because of how much it’ll hurt the poors.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:31:03pm

re: #87 makeitstop

Those Trump guys. So popular.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:31:53pm

re: #89 Belafon

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Same message goes to any Democratic or Independent voters who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Secretary Clinton because of emails or Benghazi or other “scandals”.

Sigh.

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Interesting Times  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:33:00pm

Normally I wouldn’t make a fuss about this sort of thread, since a loss is still a loss…but in light of what happened in Alabama, and the one(!)-vote margin that determined control of the VA statehouse…

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scottslemmons  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:35:28pm

re: #94 Interesting Times

Normally I wouldn’t make a fuss about this sort of thread, since a loss is still a loss…but in light of what happened in Alabama, and the one(!)-vote margin that determined control of the VA statehouse…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:37:09pm

re: #94 Interesting Times

Normally I wouldn’t make a fuss about this sort of thread, since a loss is still a loss…but in light of what happened in Alabama, and the one(!)-vote margin that determined control of the VA statehouse…

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We could be looking at a huge shift in 2018.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:38:10pm

If I’m the GOP, I’m genuinely worried right now. But their leadership are as clueless as Trump.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:40:59pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:42:21pm

re: #89 Belafon

(((IntheNumbers)))
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Hey, Republican voters, if you are dreading what’s coming because your reps didn’t listen to you on this tax bill, imagine what it’ll feel like as they gut Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. Now realize you could have prevented this in 2016 with a different vote.
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BernieBros need to hear this too but they won’t listen because most are too young to benefit from these programs.

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Belafon  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:47:39pm

That chart at the top is actually a good starting point for me to talk about my philosophy on life. There are two ways to read it. The first, being pessimistic, is to say “Why didn’t more Democrats run over previous years?” You could read it that way, but, considering the way Republicans ran over the same time period, the Democrats weren’t really out of line.

The second, the way I see it, is “It’s awesome that so many Democrats are running.” To me, there’s not much you can do about the past except learn from it. Without a time machine, you can’t change it. So, I tend to put most of my energy on applauding what people are going to be doing. (On the other hand, I sometimes beat myself up for something I did 35 years ago.)

I’m not saying I’m perfect at this, but I just prefer to see what good people are doing as compared to lamenting what they did or did not do, and I’d rather root for the good people than get all depressed of the bad people, even if they temporarily have the upper hand. Evil can only win if good never fights back. Well, people are fighting back now.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:48:34pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:49:07pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

We could be looking at a huge shift in 2018.

How many Republican districts have a 46 point buffer? I’d say that number is pretty small.

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Citizen K  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:50:20pm
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jaunte  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:52:39pm
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The Major  Dec 19, 2017 • 7:56:10pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:03:48pm

I really see that graph at the top a positive sign, as in a country changing event, especially if we can repeat it for the 2020 election.

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The Major  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:05:08pm

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Belafon  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:06:08pm

From a recent article I received:

A recent Digiconomics report calculating that the global electricity consumption of bitcoin mining would exceed that of the U.S. by July 2019, and of the entire world by November 2020, suggests the cryptocurrency’s use discharges the equivalent of 17.7 million tons of carbon dioxide annually. At the root of this problem is the blockchain technology, the secure ledger of all bitcoin transactions, which relies on solving the SHA-256 hashing algorithm to add a block. The SHA-256 algorithm is by design so difficult that it cannot be solved without brute-force computing, which means the computer must be on continuously. With power consumption rising, bitcoin miners are building ASIC clouds in places where electricity is affordable. “Increasing the energy efficiency of bitcoin SHA-256 mining hardware helps only sublinearly, as improving energy efficiency simply means people can deploy more miners at the same operating cost,” notes the University of Washington’s Michael Taylor.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:07:33pm

re: #88 meteor

Surprise! You have a Sekrit Santa who has purchased a one-year ad-free subscription for you! Enjoy.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:08:24pm

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:10:45pm
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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:12:26pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Over the years I had refrained from updinging your posts because I regarded it as somehow being obsequious or fawning. If that doesn’t make any sense, you’re right, it doesn’t.

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JordanRules  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:13:15pm
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whitebeach  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:15:35pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

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And I just hit town and my throat was dry
I thought I’d stop and have myself a brew
At an old saloon on a street of mud
There at a table, dealing stud
Sat the dirty, mangy dog that named me “Sue”

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jaunte  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:16:30pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:17:11pm

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:19:53pm

re: #115 whitebeach

We have an attending physician with a really unfortunate name. So much so, that the first time I encountered him I thought he was pulling my leg. “No really, what’s your name?” In my previous life there was a guy whose name was virtually lifted from a PA stunt from the movie Porky’s. I used to cringe asking for him on the phone. After a few years somebody finally changed his name on the letterhead to Michael.

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meteor  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:21:34pm

re: #110 Charles Johnson

Thank you! Yay!

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scottslemmons  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:24:52pm

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:27:04pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:28:22pm

re: #120 scottslemmons

I disagree. Their own staffs are filled with people who will get screwed by the bill. They have relations who will get screwed by the bill. Their heroes, including first responders, police, servicemen and women, and veterans will get screwed by the bill.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:32:40pm

re: #120 scottslemmons

I think a lot of them understand the rage, but they’re insulated from it. They’ll never meet anyone who isn’t rich, so they don’t care. The ones who aren’t planning on retiring before the election certainly aren’t planning to return to their home districts to campaign.

I don’t think they actually understand but they think that the wealthy donors will compensate for their dismissal of their constituents’ concerns. They believe that a few commercials and the constant propaganda from Fox and Sinclair will persuade their voters to continue to support them because the other side is evil, anti-gun, pro-minority, etc. Others have said that downstream — the voters vote against their own interest as long as there is someone else they can demonize.

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:35:16pm

re: #123 Hecuba’s daughter

I don’t think they actually understand but they think that the wealthy donors will compensate for their dismissal of their constituents’ concerns. They believe that a few commercials and the constant propaganda from Fox and Sinclair will persuade their voters to continue to support them because the other side is evil, anti-gun, pro-minority, etc. Others have said that downstream — the voters vote against their own interest as long as there is someone else they can demonize.

And there’s truth to it. We like to tell ourselves that the voters are waking up, that they’re beginning to see the GOP for who they are and will take action. But we have to remember again that all (or at least most) politics are local and everybody tells themselves that it’s not their local/state rep who’s the problem…its everybody else who is the problem. It’s how Congressional incumbents enjoy a better than 90% chance of being reelected, because when the time comes voters decide that they like “their guy” too much to elect “the other guy.”

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:35:55pm

re: #123 Hecuba’s daughter

Many people don’t understand why money is so important. If everybody voted, Dems would have it easy, but they don’t and all races are more competitive than they should be.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:36:41pm

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:39:00pm

re: #123 Hecuba’s daughter

That works if there’s no-one to counteract the propaganda, and if they’re not feeling it personally. With all the grassroots canvassing we’ll see and all the Democrats we’ll be running, I think we’ll see something new next year. So don’t lose hope and find a local group or six to work with. Time to get started.

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TedStriker  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:40:05pm

re: #118 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

We have an attending physician with a really unfortunate name. So much so, that the first time I encountered him I thought he was pulling my leg. “No really, what’s your name?” In my previous life there was a guy whose name was virtually lifted from a PA stunt from the movie Porky’s. I used to cringe asking for him on the phone. After a few years somebody finally changed his name on the letterhead to Michael.

Porky’s - The Mike Hunt Scene

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:42:45pm

re: #124 Targetpractice

And there’s truth to it. We like to tell ourselves that the voters are waking up, that they’re beginning to see the GOP for who they are and will take action. But we have to remember again that all (or at least most) politics are local and everybody tells themselves that it’s not their local/state rep who’s the problem…its everybody else who is the problem. It’s how Congressional incumbents enjoy a better than 90% chance of being reelected, because when the time comes voters decide that they like “their guy” too much to elect “the other guy.”

This year we saw incumbents hiding from their constituents so they wouldn’t have to talk about ACA or taxes. Likely, that will make a difference.

(And I have to run away again — later.)

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:43:23pm

re: #125 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Many people don’t understand why money is so important. If everybody voted, Dems would have it easy, but they don’t and all races are more competitive than they should be.

Remember, though, the nationwide voter disenfranchisement in Republican states. And even when that isn’t a factor, many who are poor have such instability in their lives that they don’t have a home address to obtain a voter id.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:48:13pm

re: #128 TedStriker

FWIW:

Harry DeButts DO

I mean you can google him so why not give him some free press right?
I was going to put in in a private tag, but the last time I tried to do some coding myself I shrunk the entire page!!!

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:49:09pm

re: #130 Hecuba’s daughter

Remember, though, the nationwide voter disenfranchisement in Republican states. And even when that isn’t a factor, many who are poor have such instability in their lives that they don’t have a home address to obtain a voter id.

And gerrymandering too. Democrats had a significant margin in Virginia, but at least partly due to gerrymandering, they have a tie in the House of Delegates instead of a clear majority.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:51:41pm

re: #132 Hecuba’s daughter

You can thank the great Democratic temper tantrum of 2010 for that.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:54:12pm

re: #133 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

You can thank the great Democratic temper tantrum of 2010 for that.

Not really temper tantrum — the fact that Democrats were too chicken to run on their accomplishments. We are handicapped by not having our own propaganda network, but we should have run commercials boasting of providing health care to this country.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:54:27pm

re: #134 teleskiguy

He screwed it up. He should have given her the pre-nup before the ring. I’m suuure she loved him for his free spirit.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Dec 19, 2017 • 8:55:32pm

re: #135 Hecuba’s daughter

It was bad enough the candidates had no guts, but the voters really sat home too.

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whitebeach  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:05:06pm

re: #118 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

We have an attending physician with a really unfortunate name. So much so, that the first time I encountered him I thought he was pulling my leg. “No really, what’s your name?” In my previous life there was a guy whose name was virtually lifted from a PA stunt from the movie Porky’s. I used to cringe asking for him on the phone. After a few years somebody finally changed his name on the letterhead to Michael.

Come on, man, you can’t do that. So what was the doc’s name? Just the first name, assuming that was the weird part.

BTW, and I never knew this till I quoted “A Girl Named Sue” above and looked a little farther on Google, but those lyrics were written by Shel freakin Silverstein. And good ole boys and gals all over the South are belting them out in redneck roadhouses as we speak.

Ain’t that America.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:07:20pm

re: #20 nines09

If there is a lesson from all of the last whatever years…..There is NO election year. There is NO midterms. There is NOTHING but a non stop information stream from the GOP on how marvelous they are. They are not. The Democrats need to hammer who and what the Republicans are and what they bring/ take from the American people. The propaganda machine of the right never stopped. When the Democratic party and it’s backers realize it is now a 24/7/365 fight to a seat, maybe then we will right this ship. Many people are not tuned in, have no clue. Except for that Fox News AM radio onslaught, they are witless. I could go on for about 2 weeks here, but it never ends. It’s an election cycle that is everyday of every week of every month. That is what the GOP does. Non stop. Unending. Talking points, arm in arm, walking towards that paycheck. Until the Democratic Party supports down ticket and grass roots candidates EVERYWHERE, they will be outnumbered in voice. My 2 cents. We will survive this. We will. At what price remains to be seen. Election season started last century. Learn. IMHO. And when they go low….Knee them in the balls and punch them in the throat.
Just my humble opinion.

Remember, the Democrats just won a senate seat in ALABAMA. Sure it was because Moore is a child molester, but that alone wouldn’t have been enough if the national political tide wasn’t flowing in the Democrats favor. If they can win in Alabama, with some of the harshest voter suppression laws on the books, there are huge numbers of nominally Republican leaning races that the Democrats can win.

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retired cynic  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:07:25pm

re: #138 whitebeach

See #131.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:09:35pm

Are my fellow photographers in this evening? I just rented a Sony 7SII. Mirrorless, 4k resolution and crazy good low light/night capability. Going to throw down for some night landscapes downtown Los Angeles next week.

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Belafon  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:10:36pm

re: #135 Hecuba’s daughter

Not really temper tantrum — the fact that Democrats were too chicken to run on their accomplishments. We are handicapped by not having our own propaganda network, but we should have run commercials boasting of providing health care to this country.

There was also a bit of “we’ve solved this, let’s move on” rather than taking credit for accomplishments. It sounds like a great altruistic move, but doesn’t work in practice.

But, 2010 was also just the beginning of the great black-man-in-the-White-House backlash.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:14:50pm

I’m getting out my frustrations over this stupid tax bill by beating the living shit out of a Bernie Bro on Facebook.

Guilty pleasures….

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:16:05pm

Hillary and Barrack should make a RNC commercial for next year.

They are together. Throwing tons of $ up into the air and rolling in it… “Thanks Republicans!!!”.

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Belafon  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:16:25pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:21:23pm

re: #72 Stanley Sea

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:21:41pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:25:46pm

re: #150 Targetpractice

So yeah, they don’t give a fuck because they figure most of them will either be reelected or sent off to lucrative lobbying jobs.

This is like the part of that Simpsons episode about the dotcom bubble, where all their stock options are worthless, and the CEO says, “So we’re all ripping the copper out of the walls to sell it!”

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:29:00pm

re: #149 Big Beautiful Door

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teleskiguy  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:33:02pm

Mood:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:36:01pm

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makeitstop  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:37:03pm

re: #155 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s just got Resting Bitch Face.

Resting fish face.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:39:00pm

re: #156 makeitstop

Resting fish face.

Heh.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:39:56pm

Final vote, lots of yelling in the gallery.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:41:31pm

re: #118 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

We have an attending physician with a really unfortunate name. So much so, that the first time I encountered him I thought he was pulling my leg. “No really, what’s your name?” In my previous life there was a guy whose name was virtually lifted from a PA stunt from the movie Porky’s. I used to cringe asking for him on the phone. After a few years somebody finally changed his name on the letterhead to Michael.

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whitebeach  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:41:56pm

re: #131 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

FWIW:

Harry DeButts DO

Not bad. Back during my softball days a teammate’s girlfriend recognized a couple of guys on the opponents’ side she’d known in high school. They were particularly memorable in that they were very identical twins. She greeted them with “[neutral first name] and [neutral first name] Dyckoff, right?” One of them coldly replied,” [neutral first name] and [neutral first name] Lawrence.” End of reunion.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:46:36pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:47:26pm

re: #159 Big Beautiful Door

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:47:45pm
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Mitch McConnell makes me want to believe in Hell, so I could watch him burn there forever.

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Belafon  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:48:01pm

re: #161 Stanley Sea

Conceding ends his grifting career.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:48:52pm

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:49:34pm

Disgusting. Gross. A photograph of oligarchy. Welcome people!!!

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TedStriker  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:49:53pm

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makeitstop  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:51:17pm

Program note: Today marks 7 years since I worked up the nerve to sign up for an account here. I’d only been a member of one other site as long (the late, great Bartcop), and I actually wasn’t sure if I was going to stick around.

What do you know, I did. Here’s to seven more.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:52:02pm

re: #168 makeitstop

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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teleskiguy  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:55:17pm
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Belafon  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:58:44pm
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Belafon  Dec 19, 2017 • 9:59:20pm

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Stanley Sea  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:00:59pm

re: #169 Stanley Sea

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’ve been challenged on how to use my alexa.

Music is my answer.

Traveling Wilbury’s now. Honoring Makeitstop!!!

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:02:52pm

Good night all! Its crazy how the GOP lost control of the Va House of Delegates by one freaking vote. One!

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Belafon  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:03:30pm

My goal is to use my tax break to elect people who will take it back and charge extra for those in the top 1%.

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teleskiguy  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:05:15pm
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Right when I sent this tweet out, it came.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:05:47pm

re: #168 makeitstop

Program note: Today marks 7 years since I worked up the nerve to sign up for an account here. I’d only been a member of one other site as long (the late, great Bartcop), and I actually wasn’t sure if I was going to stick around.

What do you know, I did. Here’s to seven more.

Bartcop was the first political site I encountered when I got on the net in 1998. Sure do miss Bart…

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teleskiguy  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:07:28pm

re: #176 teleskiguy

OY! Calling the Department of Redundancy Department. I’m deleting that tweet, but it will live on here at LGF in text form.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:10:38pm

What really scares me is Act 2 next year when Ryan and McConnell vote to cut Social Security, SSI, and Federal pensions…

I had planned on retiring when I reached 62 in January, but Trump and the GOP already tossed a monkey wrench into those plans…Now the earliest I can retire in when I hit 65 and get my Medicare card. I am hoping that Medicare is still there since my Kaiser premium has gone up and coverage has been trimmed…another thank you to the Shithead in the Oval Office…

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Kragar  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:11:24pm

re: #179 Joe Bacon 🌹

What really scares me is Act 2 next year when Ryan and McConnell vote to cut Social Security, SSI, and Federal pensions…

I had planned on retiring when I reached 62 in January, but Trump and the GOP already tossed a monkey wrench into those plans…Now the earliest I can retire in when I hit 65 and get my Medicare card. I am hoping that Medicare is still there since my Kaiser premium has gone up and coverage has been trimmed…another thank you to the Shithead in the Oval Office…

I’m resigned to working until the day I die.

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makeitstop  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:11:38pm

re: #177 Joe Bacon 🌹

Bartcop was the first political site I encountered when I got on the net in 1998. Sure do miss Bart…

He was a good guy. I actually got to meet him at a Bartcop meetup they held in DC sometime in ‘02 or ‘03. I used to do a lot of graphics for his site, and he gave me some very good advice when I got hit with a SLAPP suit by Michael Savage.

He was one of the good ones.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:11:47pm

re: #176 teleskiguy

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What Gardner did to Mark Udall was beyond disgusting…

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:12:41pm

OMG! It worked! First time I’ve tried it! Now, how does one get to see all the other responses to Heller’s tweet?

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Kragar  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:13:31pm
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BeachDem  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:17:16pm

re: #158 Single-handed sailor

Final vote, lots of yelling in the gallery.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:21:50pm

And with that, I’m out. Got to get up in less than 6.5 hours.

I’m still interested in how you guys see other people’s tweets. I’ll check back in the morning. Thanks!

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Kragar  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:35:56pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:40:34pm
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:44:17pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:44:55pm

I’m planning to retire in June. And am keeping my fingers crossed that Medicare and Social Security survive. When the Democrats eventually regain control, they will start to repair the damage inflicted by the Randite GOP. We’ve survived other attempts to damage benefit programs; hopefully we will survive this too.

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teleskiguy  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:46:29pm

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Targetpractice  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:47:34pm

Next year, it will be ”What’s holding back the boom we predicted with our ‘tax reform’ (*snicker*) is all these job-killing regulations! And the high deficit, which is scaring companies from investing! We need to address those before the boom can happen!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:48:28pm

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 19, 2017 • 10:51:07pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

And those damned “entitlement programs” that keep people unmotivated to get out of their hospital beds to go find jobs.

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ozharas  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:01:32pm

DW : US tax reform breaks global rules.

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Last week, the finance ministers of Europe’s five biggest economies — Germany, France, the UK, Spain and Italy — wrote an anxious letter to their American colleague, US Treasury Secretary Stephen Mnuchin, and copied it to all senior Republican politicians in the Congress and Senate.

The letter’s thrust: The draft US tax bill, if passed as written a week ago, would represent a break with global fair-taxation rules as applied to corporations, and represent a thinly disguised form of trade war.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:02:54pm

re: #195 ozharas

DW : US tax reform breaks global rules.

dw.com

Last week, the finance ministers of Europe’s five biggest economies — Germany, France, the UK, Spain and Italy — wrote an anxious letter to their American colleague, US Treasury Secretary Stephen Mnuchin, and copied it to all senior Republican politicians in the Congress and Senate.

The letter’s thrust: The draft US tax bill, if passed as written a week ago, would represent a break with global fair-taxation rules as applied to corporations, and represent a thinly disguised form of trade war.

America First! MAGA!!

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:06:14pm

We can argue that the GOP doesn’t learn from experience, but that’s wrong. They have learned that they can inflict damage on their constituents and get reelected and that they can benefit financially from their dreadful policies. Of course, in the past, they weren’t traitors as well. It is still up to us to save this country from them.

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piratedan  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:20:54pm

is ready for the 2020 tax reform where there’s a special 95% tax bracket for former GOP politicians that goes specifically earmarked for planned parenthood and CHIP.that is made permanently to the tax code.

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freetoken  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:48:14pm

So, for some Christmas music, here’s a program from Radio Prague about Czech Christmas music:

MP3 Audio

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Lupin  Dec 19, 2017 • 11:49:10pm

re: #195 ozharas

DW : US tax reform breaks global rules.

dw.com

Last week, the finance ministers of Europe’s five biggest economies — Germany, France, the UK, Spain and Italy — wrote an anxious letter to their American colleague, US Treasury Secretary Stephen Mnuchin, and copied it to all senior Republican politicians in the Congress and Senate.

The letter’s thrust: The draft US tax bill, if passed as written a week ago, would represent a break with global fair-taxation rules as applied to corporations, and represent a thinly disguised form of trade war.

I can attest to this; yesterday my local rag (South of France), hardly newsworthy when it comes to international coverage, had an article about this, painting the US in very unfriendly terms, next to am article about the French Guvmint taking amazon to court (which is ironic since Trump hates Bezos). The EU is already going after facebook. USA business abroad are going to suffer.

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teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:03:50am

Facebook Video

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Lupin  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:08:15am

re: #20 nines09

We will survive this. We will. At what price remains to be seen.

This is the million dollar question, isn’t it?

That the US will survive is highly likely… Russia survived the Communists and Germany Hitler… Trump isn’t going to inflict that kind of devastation, barring nuclear war with SK.

But the post-Trump US will be a shallow shell of what your country used to. You are mired in corruption, health & environmental crises, obscurantism, quite unprepared to face the challenges of this new century. My (often repeated) guess is that you’ll evolve into a democrature that will resemble a hybrid between Brazil and Russia. Brazil for the societal aspects, Russia for the military power and paranoia.

This will be very hard (as it already is) on anyone born before 1990; the others won’t have known anything different. The only think that might affect my prediction would be a grassroot groundswell à la FDR — if the 30% that don’t vote suddenly joined the 30% that vote democrats and pushed the last third back under their rocks, but I don’t see it happening. Bread and circuses are too good, propaganda is too omnipresent, to facilitate revolutions. In fact, a civil war would be more likely than a revolution.

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Lupin  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:12:09am

re: #180 Kragar

I’m resigned to working until the day I die.

I don’t know you and I hope you are in good health and you can indeed do this.

Speaking in general terms, your elderly population is not in good health. Life expectancy is going down. A lot won’t be able to work “until the day they die” and will need a great deal of care. And many (most?) families won’t be able to provide it, financially I mean. I don’t need to spell out the consequences, do I?

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teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:56:10am

This is a great demonstration of what a tree well is and how dangerous they are. One of many inherent risks of snow sports.

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Tree wells are real! What looks like a small one can take you down. Good thing @lexidupont had a group of strong guys to dig her out. It’s key to remember to stay calm, hold onto the tree so you don’t go deeper and wait for help! 📷: @martyschaffer | Post by guest grammar @lexidupont #seriousfun @k2skis @cmhk2

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teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:09:13am

The bros at Uber just got smacked by the court of one of their largest potential markets.

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teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:39:00am

Scout, a fellow Lizard in Japan, brought this up. I thought I’d tweet it.

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freetoken  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:04:28am

re: #207 teleskiguy

However, regular train services have had horrible accidents killing many people.

While I was living in Japan, west of Osaka (between Osaka and Kobe) there was a horrendous accident.

The real problem is that the drivers were made to go too quickly, to make schedule.

Trains in Japan are almost always exactly on time.

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freetoken  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:05:06am

Late-at-night geek lamentations: R’s stats functions are not vectorized.

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freetoken  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:07:56am

Legendarily, the finest singer since the advent of audio recording:

Enrico Caruso - Minuit Chrétien - O Holy Night 1916 in original French

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:20:59am

re: #208 freetoken

However, regular train services have had horrible accidents killing many people.

While I was living in Japan, west of Osaka (between Osaka and Kobe) there was a horrendous accident.

The real problem is that the drivers were made to go too quickly, to make schedule.

Trains in Japan are almost always exactly on time.

I think I know about the accident you’re talking about….it was on Seconds From Disaster or one of those shows. Long story short, the train in question was already a bit behind schedule due to operator error in overshooting a platform earlier in the route; the train driver panicked and tried to make up for lost time. He went too fast going into a curve, which caused the train to derail and it plowed into a building causing several fatalities and numerous injuries.

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freetoken  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:23:17am

re: #211 Dr Lizardo

Yup. Many died.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:26:43am

re: #212 freetoken

I had to look it up to refresh my memory.

en.wikipedia.org

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:39:42am

re: #167 TedStriker

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:41:25am

Gah. The head of the “Freedom Caucus” is on MSNBC bullshitting about this fucking tax mess. Sure, big companies are going to create more jobs and we don’t have to worry about offshoring of jobs anymore because of their magical plan.And like Mr. Freedom Caucus even knows what’s in this bill. I want to punch the TV and it’s not even 8am.

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:41:57am

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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:57:30am

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“What’s Kim Kardashian wearing today?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:08:52am
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I think I’ll just go back to sleep..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:20:57am

because, of course…

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merry fucking christmas…

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William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:21:46am

Forgot to mention before bed last night that I gave my new Instant Pot a workout last night. A bit of stew meat, taters & carrot, along with gravy fixings and the stew button on the side after a saute. Little more than a half hour later, supper.

This really is a cool gadget. I have to learn to cook with it but it’s going to be fun, I think.

I have a small ham someone gave me. I think I’ll try putting it in there, with some tater & carrot as well, put a bit of apple juice over it all & pressure cook for about 30 ~ 35 minutes. Should be a nice little meal & a couple of days of sandwiches.

Thank you Shropshire Slasher. I am grateful for this gadget.

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Sea Mexican!  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:32:08am

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We (Puerto Rico) are so f*cked. Finally our Junior governor found one of his balls. He still has given no indication on talking to his resident commissioner, who was in favor of this monstrous bill.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:35:20am
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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:37:00am

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:37:39am

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:42:44am

re: #231 The Vicious Babushka

Happy birthday! I wish you many more very happy and healthy birthdays for years to come.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:43:15am

Good morning Lizards,

Watching the local news late yesterday while on the gym treadmill.

This lady comes up with the remote in her hand and asks if it was ok to change the channel. I said sure, change to what? She says FoxNews, I say oh no. She looks at me like I have a bird on my head, I smile back politely to her and say thank you as she tries to find a way to be pissed at me. I think I broke her stereotype of what they tell her a FoxNews hater is.

Hell no to FoxNews, I literally would rather watch anything else on that TV than FoxNews.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:44:11am

Some of you may be scratching your head since I said it was my birthday on Friday night. So in case you don’t know, Teh Juice have 2 birthdays every year! We have a regular, Gregorian calendar birthday which is on our birth certificate, and a Hebrew lunar/solar-adjusted calendar birthday which is the Hebrew date corresponding to the year we were born. These two dates may or may not coincide in other years.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:45:38am

re: #236 The Vicious Babushka

Some of you may be scratching your head since I said it was my birthday on Friday night. So in case you don’t know, Teh Juice have 2 birthdays every year! We have a regular, Gregorian calendar birthday which is on our birth certificate, and a Hebrew lunar/solar-adjusted calendar birthday which is the Hebrew date corresponding to the year we were born. These two dates may or may not coincide in other years.

Damn, 2 birthdays? I’m ready to convert just for all the extra cake.

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Sea Mexican!  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:50:14am

re: #236 The Vicious Babushka

Some of you may be scratching your head since I said it was my birthday on Friday night. So in case you don’t know, Teh Juice have 2 birthdays every year! We have a regular, Gregorian calendar birthday which is on our birth certificate, and a Hebrew lunar/solar-adjusted calendar birthday which is the Hebrew date corresponding to the year we were born. These two dates may or may not coincide in other years.

Double congratulations!!

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nowherenorth2  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:50:39am

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

Simple and elegant.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:52:17am

re: #236 The Vicious Babushka

Some of you may be scratching your head since I said it was my birthday on Friday night. So in case you don’t know, Teh Juice have 2 birthdays every year! We have a regular, Gregorian calendar birthday which is on our birth certificate, and a Hebrew lunar/solar-adjusted calendar birthday which is the Hebrew date corresponding to the year we were born. These two dates may or may not coincide in other years.

Same with my Chinese students and friends. I have to ask whether the birthdate they have on social media is the Chinese calendar date or the Gregorian date.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:52:35am

re: #231 The Vicious Babushka

Happy Birthday!

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:52:54am

re: #224 William Lewis

You weren’t supposed to open it before Christmas!!!!
It gives me great joy that I could do that, and it means a lot. Here I am crying a little (a little dammit!) at work. I was actually a little annoyed that Amazon didn’t offer gift wrapping. I am big on the wrapping gifts. I make sure all the corners are square, and wrap it tight with ribbon. The goal is you to be mfing me because you need scissors or a knife to open. Now I think I will have to get an instant pot.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:53:52am

re: #236 The Vicious Babushka

Some of you may be scratching your head since I said it was my birthday on Friday night. So in case you don’t know, Teh Juice have 2 birthdays every year! We have a regular, Gregorian calendar birthday which is on our birth certificate, and a Hebrew lunar/solar-adjusted calendar birthday which is the Hebrew date corresponding to the year we were born. These two dates may or may not coincide in other years.

You can squeeze in a couple more birthdays if you join up with someone who still uses the Julian calendar—more cookies!! Berber and Ethiopian look interesting, but Mt. Athos is out (no girls allowed).

en.wikipedia.org

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:55:37am

MOAR fake news horseshit from Fux Snooze

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wheat-dogg  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:02:20am

re: #247 The Vicious Babushka

MOAR fake news horseshit from Fux Snooze

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:10:38am

re: #245 Shropshire Slasher
I found a deal on the Target brand version of Instant Pot (34 dollars!) and I was skeptical at first. Best 34 bucks spent on a kitchen gadget ever.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:16:26am

I just got a basic slow cooker and am stoked to start making stew and soups, etc.

BTW, Bill Koch’s son Wyatt is trying to get back a $250K engagement ring from his ex-fiancee. Wyatt is a piece of work—check out promo for his clothing design company.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:20:08am

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:23:17am

re: #251 Unshaken Defiance

After the steaming pile of economy Obama inherited from Bush, it’s lucky we have an economy.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:25:17am

re: #250 Barefoot Grin
That is so sad and detached from reality. And hideous, really horribly ugly. Someone told a snowflake he was talented and threw money at him. Must be nice.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:27:03am

re: #253 A Mom Anon

That is so sad and detached from reality. And hideous, really horribly ugly. Someone told a snowflake he was talented and threw money at him. Must be nice.

The shirt he was wearing looked like something a high-schooler made in home ec with something picked up last minute from Joanne Fabrics.

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jeffreyw  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:27:19am

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Belafon  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:27:40am
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Belafon  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:30:29am
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In the replies, people are talking about donating to Beto.

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William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:31:05am

re: #245 Shropshire Slasher

You weren’t supposed to open it before Christmas!!!!
It gives me great joy that I could do that, and it means a lot. Here I am crying a little (a little dammit!) at work. I was actually a little annoyed that Amazon didn’t offer gift wrapping. I am big on the wrapping gifts. I make sure all the corners are square, and wrap it tight with ribbon. The goal is you to be mfing me because you need scissors or a knife to open. Now I think I will have to get an instant pot.

Well, since I did open it I can make Christmas dinner (that aforementioned ham) with it. I consider that quite a good trade for the surprise on the day :)

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:31:28am

re: #254 Barefoot Grin

It had bags of money and dollar signs on it. To wear on your yacht. JFC

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:33:03am

re: #258 William Lewis

Try beef or pork with beer and onions in it. It’s so good.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:35:27am

Hey all, on a very personal note, at least around here… On my Twitter page, you might have seen the memorial screenshot from CL’s twitter I have attached to the top of the threads with a link to the Page that announced her passing.

I chose to keep it on my twitter for the year. At the first of the year that will be replaced with something probably less personal and surely more contemporary. Still miss my internet sister. Time marches on. Resistance calls.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:40:36am

re: #250 Barefoot Grin

Well, he is literally wearing money-bags on his body. What says obnoxiously ostentatious better than that? And, holy fuck, those are some ugly ass clothes. To wear to the discotheque(a).

They are less expensive than I expected. $99 for garbage is better than $499 for an ugly print.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:41:13am

re: #251 Unshaken Defiance

Bill Clinton had that kind of growth.

So did Obama.

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Bass Reeves  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:43:40am

re: #224 William Lewis

I literally had the same meal minus the carrots!

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:44:40am

re: #263 Colère Tueur de Lapin

So did Obama.

Good,
money.cnn.com

Not internet / finance / home price boom good though.
washingtonpost.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:45:45am

re: #250 Barefoot Grin

I just got a basic slow cooker and am stoked to start making stew and soups, etc.

BTW, Bill Koch’s son Wyatt is trying to get back a $250K engagement ring from his ex-fiancee. Wyatt is a piece of work—check out promo for his clothing design company.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:46:19am

re: #253 A Mom Anon

That is so sad and detached from reality. And hideous, really horribly ugly. Someone told a snowflake he was talented and threw money at him. Must be nice.

LOL just give me a good old-fashioned Aloha shirt.

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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:47:40am

re: #235 bill d. (b.d.)

Good morning Lizards,

Watching the local news late yesterday while on the gym treadmill.

This lady comes up with the remote in her hand and asks if it was ok to change the channel. I said sure, change to what? She says FoxNews, I say oh no. She looks at me like I have a bird on my head, I smile back politely to her and say thank you as she tries to find a way to be pissed at me. I think I broke her stereotype of what they tell her a FoxNews hater is.

Hell no to FoxNews, I literally would rather watch anything else on that TV than FoxNews.

I would watch Ancient Aliens and freaking ghost stories over Fox.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:51:17am

re: #268 MsJ

I would watch Ancient Aliens and freaking ghost stories over Fox.

Chariots of the Gods is more credible than FNC.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:52:02am
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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:06:30am

re: #249 A Mom Anon

I found a deal on the Target brand version of Instant Pot (34 dollars!) and I was skeptical at first. Best 34 bucks spent on a kitchen gadget ever.

This question is for anyone who has a pressure cooker. I have an older, high end (Cuisinart) pressure cooker. I am trying to discern the difference between an Instant Pot and a regular pressure cooker. Mine will brown and pressure cook on high and low. There is a timer. Anyone know?

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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:08:59am

re: #254 Barefoot Grin

The shirt he was wearing looked like something a high-schooler made in home ec with something picked up last minute from Joanne Fabrics.

And those fabrics came from the remainder rack…patters no one other than baby blanket quilters would buy.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:09:56am

re: #271 MsJ

This question is for anyone who has a pressure cooker. I have an older, high end (Cuisinart) pressure cooker. I am trying to discern the difference between an Instant Pot and a regular pressure cooker. Mine will brown and pressure cook on high and low. There is a timer. Anyone know?

I was thinking of getting an Instant Pot (they get good reviews beyond LGF), but we would only use the pressure cooker and slow cooker settings probably. And since we already have a good pressure cooker…..

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:13:39am
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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:15:09am

re: #262 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Well, he is literally wearing money-bags on his body. What says obnoxiously ostentatious better than that? And, holy fuck, those are some ugly ass clothes. To wear to the discotheque(a).

They are less expensive than I expected. $99 for garbage is better than $499 for an ugly print.

…”or on a yacht”. Regular dude of the peeps.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:15:58am

re: #271 MsJ

This question is for anyone who has a pressure cooker. I have an older, high end (Cuisinart) pressure cooker. I am trying to discern the difference between an Instant Pot and a regular pressure cooker. Mine will brown and pressure cook on high and low. There is a timer. Anyone know?

I have a Futura pressure cooker, which is great. Pressure cookers do not have a timer and the pressure can only be adjusted by adjusting the burner flame on the stove.

I also have a slow cooker and a rice steamer.

Should I buy an instant pot? It seems redundant with all the gadgets that I already have, but if it’s so easy to use then maybe I can train Zedushka to have hot meal ready for me when I get home. All he knows how to make are hamburgers and hot dogs.

If Instant Pot is really easy to use maybe he can be trained on it. He’s intimidated by the pressure cooker, because 40 years ago our next door neighbor came home, saw the pressure cooker on the stove & was like “what’s this jiggling thing?” and BOOM!

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Dave In Austin  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:16:13am
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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:21:00am

re: #273 Barefoot Grin

I was thinking of getting an Instant Pot (they get good reviews beyond LGF), but we would only use the pressure cooker and slow cooker settings probably. And since we already have a good pressure cooker…..

The thing I keep reading about the Instant Pot is that you can make things like cake and yogurt in it. I am sure you could in other pressure cookers, but I have no idea how. They have all kinds of inserts for the IP (like a shelf that you can put, for example, a cake pan on…the recipe was for a cheesecake that didn’t crack on top and dry out).

I am debating if I need **another** gadget. And I am also wondering about the longevity of the IP. This pressure cooker I have is at least 10 years old and is still like new.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:23:25am

re: #231 The Vicious Babushka

A belated Happy Birthday! Wishing you a fabulous year.

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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:24:37am

re: #276 The Vicious Babushka

I have a Futura pressure cooker, which is great. Pressure cookers do not have a timer and the pressure can only be adjusted by adjusting the burner flame on the stove.

I also have a slow cooker and a rice steamer.

Should I buy an instant pot? It seems redundant with all the gadgets that I already have, but if it’s so easy to use then maybe I can train Zedushka to have hot meal ready for me when I get home. All he knows how to make are hamburgers and hot dogs.

If Instant Pot is really easy to use maybe he can be trained on it. He’s intimidated by the pressure cooker, because 40 years ago our next door neighbor came home, saw the pressure cooker on the stove & was like “what’s this jiggling thing?” and BOOM!

My pressure cooker is electric, not an on the stove type.

The IP is so easy it’s silly. You literally push a button that says something like cook This or That so training him should be a snap! (Put on glasses, dump this into the pot, turn the handle, push button.}

This is the panel. Mine just has Timer, Cook Mode, Pressure Mode (high low) and something else I don’t use which I can’t remember.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:24:45am

what in the utter fuck does this even MEAN?

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Dave In Austin  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:29:34am

My response to a wingnut defending this atrocity this morning.

Congratulations on your win. Hope it works out for you since Republicans (You) now own Tax Policy

He did not like that response one bit at all.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:29:41am

re: #281 The Vicious Babushka

what in the utter fuck does this even MEAN?

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:30:01am

re: #281 The Vicious Babushka

He clearly means “capitalist stuff” //

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:30:25am

re: #282 Dave In Austin

My response to a wingnut defending this atrocity this morning.

He did not like that response one bit at all.

Of course not, Republicans and conservatives don’t like having to actually govern. They just like to actually use an old Rush book title talk about the way things ought to be or “were.”

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:32:22am

re: #262 Colère Tueur de Lapin

You can buy genuine, made-in-Hawai’i Aloha shirts for less than $45.

And they look better too.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:33:12am

If they’re talking about being an owner and player, there actually is precedent to that. George Halas played for the Decatur Stanleys/Chicago Bears the first ten years he owned them per wiki. That said, Kaep isn’t replacing Newton in Carolina and I don’t think plans to. It amazes me how much hate that guy gets. He’s never been so much as arrested. He’s charitable. But I get it the big scary black guy with the Afro went after your safe spot when he knelt.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:33:35am

re: #285 HappyWarrior

Remind them of the days of “Leave it to Beaver” and a 85% rate on the highest earners.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:34:31am

re: #288 Dave In Austin

Remind them of the days of “Leave it to Beaver” and a 85% rate on the highest earners.

Well we know the real reasons why they liked the 50’s. McCarthyism and Jim Crow.

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William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:39:39am

re: #283 HappyWarrior

Kaep wanting ot be a partner in a NFL ownership bid with Diddy is anything but socialist. Of course, FNC knows they can scare their idiotic viewers just by saying his name and the word socialist.

Especially by associating a specific scary black man they’ve already taught their audience to hate - How dare he kneel at our Bread & Circuses Patriotic Display! So it’s no real surprise. I’m curious to see if the NFL even cares about the Anti-Trust suit blackballing them will cause since with Pumpkin Pinochet they have nothing to worry about.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:43:42am

re: #290 William Lewis

Especially by associating a specific scary black man they’ve already taught their audience to hate - How dare he kneel at our Bread & Circuses Patriotic Display! So it’s no real surprise. I’m curious to see if the NFL even cares about the Anti-Trust suit blackballing them will cause since with Pumpkin Pinochet they have nothing to worry about.

Exactly.

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lawhawk  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:45:22am

Greets and saluts from the resistance in the NYC metro area. I’ve been exceptionally busy (and on vacation before that), as the massive tax scam is rammed through a GOP controlled Congress without caring what happens (oh wait, they care - only about the GOP donors and need to give millionaires bigger tax cuts and corporations even more cash for them to dole out to shareholders instead of adding hires or increasing wages).

As the tax experts continue to review this mess, the more we see how this isn’t tax simplification or even rational. It expands loopholes, it adds complexity, and it adds to the tax burdens for many in the middle class.

The only ones guaranteed to benefit are those in the top quintile. The middle quintile has to do math to see if they’re screwed (hint: they are, though many wont realize it right away).

But that’s not even the half of it.

The GOP fucked up because they can’t actually sign this mess this year.

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That’s right. If they signed it this year, it’d hit pay-go rules, and that means that it would trigger massive cuts to Medicare and other discretionary programs (aka sequester) because this scam is adding $1.5 trillion to the debt.

So, instead of going back to the drawing board, the GOP will wait to sign it until next year. That way, the sequester doesn’t take hold until after the midterms.

Alternatively, the GOP will simply ignore pay-go and massively add to the debt and attack Medicare/Social Security next year.

GOP delenda est.

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plansbandc  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:45:56am

re: #156 makeitstop

Stealing!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:52:53am

re: #276 The Vicious Babushka

I have a Futura pressure cooker, which is great. Pressure cookers do not have a timer and the pressure can only be adjusted by adjusting the burner flame on the stove.

I also have a slow cooker and a rice steamer.

Should I buy an instant pot? It seems redundant with all the gadgets that I already have, but if it’s so easy to use then maybe I can train Zedushka to have hot meal ready for me when I get home. All he knows how to make are hamburgers and hot dogs.

If Instant Pot is really easy to use maybe he can be trained on it. He’s intimidated by the pressure cooker, because 40 years ago our next door neighbor came home, saw the pressure cooker on the stove & was like “what’s this jiggling thing?” and BOOM!

That’s not a pressure cooker, it’s a bomb. Pressure cookers have timers and electronically controlled temperatures.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:57:05am

re: #294 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That’s not a pressure cooker, it’s a bomb. Pressure cookers have timers and electronically controlled temperatures.

None of the pressure cookers I have ever owned had electronic sensors or timers.

This is the one that I own now.

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darthstar  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:58:53am

If you’re looking for that gift for the person who has nearly everything…

amazon.com

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:05:09am

re: #295 The Vicious Babushka

None of the pressure cookers I have ever owned had electronic sensors or timers.

This is the one that I own now.

That looks much nicer than the one my parents had, but you should really get yourself an Instant Pot the next time they go on sale. I got mine on Black Friday. You set your time and pressure, and can then ignore it until it beeps.

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William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:06:56am

re: #295 The Vicious Babushka

None of the pressure cookers I have ever owned had electronic sensors or timers.

This is the one that I own now.

Nothing wrong with one of those that is kept clean, maintained (safety valve, seal, etc) properly and used correctly. For someone who is not as good a cook as VB, the Instant Pot is like this but better. The simplicity of many of the recipes, the more fool proof operation, and multi-use options (This gift replaces both my slow cooker & my rice cooker.) make it a good thing for other people. I don’t know if VB would get as much out of it as someone like me though if she can teach her husband how to put a brisket into it and have a hot supper ready when she gets home? Even if only couple of times a month, that might make it worth while.

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plansbandc  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:07:34am

re: #296 darthstar

I am getting these. Will do a photo essay on their use when I get a chance. :D

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:10:30am

re: #298 William Lewis

Nothing wrong with one of those that is kept clean, maintained (safety valve, seal, etc) properly and used correctly. For someone who is not as good a cook as VB, the Instant Pot is like this but better. The simplicity of many of the recipes, the more fool proof operation, and multi-use options (This gift replaces both my slow cooker & my rice cooker.) make it a good thing for other people. I don’t know if VB would get as much out of it as someone like me though if she can teach her husband how to put a brisket into it and have a hot supper ready when she gets home? Even if only couple of times a month, that might make it worth while.

I have two slow-cookers that I’ll never use again, since I can do my usual overnight cook in an hour in the pressure cooker. I need to find people to give them to.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:13:05am

re: #294 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That’s not a pressure cooker, it’s a bomb. Pressure cookers have timers and electronically controlled temperatures.

Ours doesn’t. It sits on the stove top. Makes great rice, etc.

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darthstar  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:20:41am

Trying to get myself riled up over the Tax Bill and failing. I fully expected them to do to this, and, while we’re in a tax bracket that should benefit from the bill (marginally), living in California reduces our projected benefit from about $5K to less than $2K.

Right now, I’m hoping that, in their haste, the Republicans made a grammatical error that they missed, and instead of fucking over Blue States, they actually gave us a better benefit from the bill. Wouldn’t that be sweet?

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Dave In Austin  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:24:16am

I’m happy to be a boil on the ass of Rogers Twitter feed:

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calochortus  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:25:33am

re: #302 darthstar

Trying to get myself riled up over the Tax Bill and failing. I fully expected them to do to this, and, while we’re in a tax bracket that should benefit from the bill (marginally), living in California reduces our projected benefit from about $5K to less than $2K.

Right now, I’m hoping that, in their haste, the Republicans made a grammatical error that they missed, and instead of fucking over Blue States, they actually gave us a better benefit from the bill. Wouldn’t that be sweet?

It would, but it won’t happen. This will cost my daughter and her husband a lot of money. Of course, it will also drive them to look for tax advice and loopholes which will take money and a lot of time, but yay! Let’s punish Californians!

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John Carter  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:28:05am

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jeffreyw  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:29:59am

YouTube

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:32:46am

Oh you know that wingnut cartoonist who was so obsessed with DEBT during the previous President’s tenure…

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calochortus  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:34:38am

Sadly, I have finished sucking the last drop of coffee out of my mug. Time to do something constructive.
BBL

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William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:36:16am

re: #300 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I have two slow-cookers that I’ll never use again, since I can do my usual overnight cook in an hour in the pressure cooker. I need to find people to give them to.

Goodwill? Salvation Army? St. Vincent Du Paul?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:38:32am

So is the country ruined yet or are there still more votes left?

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:39:54am

OT, but here’s a question to ponder (if you’re a sci-fi fan):

A couple of years back, there was a fan film called Star Trek: Prelude to Axanar; it was a short flick, about 20 minutes long, with pretty decent production values (especially for a fan film). It takes place in the original Star Trek continuity, about 20 years before ST:TOS.

Instead of suing the makers of this fan film, why the hell didn’t Paramount/CBS see this for what it was? A proof of concept, and a pretty solid I’d say. They could’ve made a series, and probably one hell of a series at that, about the four-year Klingon/Federation war.

I’ve seen Star Trek Discovery and it’s……..well, it’s OK in a ‘meh’ sort of way, but to be honest, Prelude to Axanar would’ve worked better. Perhaps what Paramount/CBS should’ve done is given these folks 1) a real production budget, and 2) some degree of creative control, and let them have at it.

Oh…..and put it on broadcast, in prime time, not on “CBS All Access” or whatever they call it.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:41:21am

re: #310 Eclectic Cyborg

So is the country ruined yet or are there still more votes left?

They jacked it up and have to go back to the House. Just because the Republicans are passionate about screwing the country doesn’t mean they’re any good in bed.

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:42:41am

re: #298 William Lewis

Nothing wrong with one of those that is kept clean, maintained (safety valve, seal, etc) properly and used correctly. For someone who is not as good a cook as VB, the Instant Pot is like this but better. The simplicity of many of the recipes, the more fool proof operation, and multi-use options (This gift replaces both my slow cooker & my rice cooker.) make it a good thing for other people. I don’t know if VB would get as much out of it as someone like me though if she can teach her husband how to put a brisket into it and have a hot supper ready when she gets home? Even if only couple of times a month, that might make it worth while.

I use my IP almost daily. For instance, last night I got a craving for deviled eggs. Plopped some eggs in the steamer basket, set for 5 minutes. Done! Added bonus, eggs are ALWAYS easy to peel. Making red beans ‘n’ rice with smoked sausage tonight. I also use the saute setting for stuff like sauces and even scrambled eggs. Pot is so easy to clean.

Cons: I do not like the slow cook option in the IP at all. It doesn’t come to heat throughout as well and the bottom tends to burn. I think it’s the stainless insert. Don’t toss your slow cooker. I’ve tried doing cakes and brownies with an insert thingie but have not enjoyed the results. Haven’t tried a cheesecake.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:43:20am

re: #311 Dr Lizardo

OT, but here’s a question to ponder (if you’re a sci-fi fan):

A couple of years back, there was a fan film called Star Trek: Prelude to Axanar; it was a short flick, about 20 minutes long, with pretty decent production values (especially for a fan film). It takes in the original Star Trek continuity, about 20 years before ST:TOS.

Instead of suing the makers of this fan film, why the hell didn’t Paramount/CBS see this for what it was? A proof of concept, and a pretty solid one at that. They could’ve made a series, and probably one hell of a series at that, about the four-year Klingon/Federation war.

I’ve seen Star Trek Discovery and it’s……..well, it’s OK in a ‘meh’ sort of way, but to be honest, Prelude to Axanar would’ve worked better. Perhaps what Paramount/CBS should’ve done is given these folks 1) a real production budget, and 2) some degree of creative control, and let them have at it.

Oh…..and put it on broadcast, in prime time, not on “CBS All Access” or whatever they call it.

Because the Axanar people tried to profit from someone else’s IP. Paramount/CBS were fine with fan films, but it’s not OK to make it into a business.

I bailed on Discovery. The magic mushroom drive and giant tardigrade were too silly.
The Orville has turned out to be much better Star Trek than Discovery.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:44:31am

re: #313 allegro

I use my IP almost daily. For instance, last night I got a craving for deviled eggs. Plopped some eggs in the steamer basket, set for 5 minutes. Done! Added bonus, eggs are ALWAYS easy to peel. Making red beans ‘n’ rice with smoked sausage tonight. I also use the saute setting for stuff like sauces and even scrambled eggs. Pot is so easy to clean.

Cons: I do not like the slow cook option in the IP at all. It doesn’t come to heat throughout as well and the bottom tends to burn. I think it’s the stainless insert. Don’t toss your slow cooker. I’ve tried doing cakes and brownies with an insert thingie but have not enjoyed the results. Haven’t tried a cheesecake.

Even using it as a pressure cooker, I had to soak it for a while to be able to clean the bottom. That’s the one thing that’s worse than a slow cooker.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:45:59am

re: #311 Dr Lizardo

Not sun fun fact: Paramount and CBS actually got so pissed about Axanar that they sued the creators and won.

As a result, there are now draconian restrictions on ST fan films, including that they have no more than two parts with a total combined runtime of 30 minutes or less.

EDIT: Saw you mentioned the lawsuit in your post, but I’ll leave this one as is.

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BeachDem  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:46:40am

re: #273 Barefoot Grin

I was thinking of getting an Instant Pot (they get good reviews beyond LGF), but we would only use the pressure cooker and slow cooker settings probably. And since we already have a good pressure cooker…..

I am somewhat pathetic. Based on the rave reviews here, I bought an Instant Pot early in October and it’s still sitting in its box in my office. Just haven’t had the energy to master a new appliance! I have a slow cooker that I use to make stew and chili, but haven’t tackled the Instant Pot yet—I mostly want to try it for ribs, which I hear are great.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:46:44am

I live in a Blue State, and we take the mortgage interest deduction, the State Income Tax deduction, and the Property Tax deduction. It’s possible that our total tax bill will rise.

If we had a Democratic Administration and Congress, and that tax increase was going to fund expanded Medicaid, or infrastructure spending, or some other useful thing, I’d be okay with my taxes rising a bit. But to have my taxes go up to fund tax cuts for corporations already awash in extra cash, or to reduce the estate tax paid by people who fell out of the right twat, or to transfer more money to those low wage shitholes like West Virginia that don’t pay their own bills? Fuck that noise.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:48:04am

re: #314 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Because the Axanar people tried to profit from someone else’s IP. Paramount/CBS were fine with fan films, but it’s not OK to make it into a business.

I bailed on Discovery. The magic mushroom drive and giant tardigrade were too silly.
The Orville has turned out to be much better Star Trek than Discovery.

Fair enough; copyright infringement.

Yeah, Discovery is…..well, odd - yeah, the spore drive had me scratching my head as did the tardigrade. Seeing as how Discovery takes place before the events of ST:TOS I gotta wonder…..did the spore drive thingamabob not pan out? Because it sure seems a lot faster than plain ol’ warp drive. They’ve basically created a continuity paradox that’s going to have to be resolved.

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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:48:35am

re: #311 Dr Lizardo

Both of us **LOVE** Star Trek: Discovery. Absolutely love it.

Hubby is a TOS fan and he loves how they’ve woven prior characters into the plots.

I just love it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:48:40am

Also, I gotta say, this thing with the tax bill where red states get benefits while blue states get shafted is shady as fuck.

As much as they can’t stand Republicans, I can’t see Democrats purposefully sabotaging red states.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:50:11am

Whoa. Check this guy out.

facebook.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:50:47am

re: #321 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, I gotta say, this thing with the tax bill where red states get benefits while blue states get shafted is shady as fuck.

As much as they can’t stand Republicans, I can’t see Democrats purposefully sabotaging red states.

That’s because Liberalism is about making government work for the benefit of everyone, rather than using government as a cudgel to punish people you don’t like.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:50:53am

My main complaint with Discovery is that it’s yet another prequel.

Enterprise was a prequel
The most recent three movies are effectively prequels

At what point do we move ahead in the story? Star Wars finally did it. Time for Trek to get on board.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:52:35am

re: #323 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s because Liberalism is about making government work for the benefit of everyone, rather than using government as a cudgel to punish people you don’t like.

Which is really the difference between the two ideologies.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:53:18am

Lubbock makes the Big Time again:

Texas restaurant under fire for ‘racist’ vintage neon sign

A restaurant in Texas is facing backlash after a photo of a sign posted in one of its rooms went viral on social media. The vintage neon sign at Cook’s Garage in Lubbock features a caricature of an African-American man with “Coon Chicken Inn,” written across his teeth. Many are demanding the sign’s removal, calling it racist in comments circulating via social media and Yelp.

According to KCBD, a local MSNBC affiliate in Texas, the issue arose after a person attended a holiday party at Cook’s Garage and later posted a photo of the sign to Facebook. Owners of the restaurant responded to the complaint by writing back: “We did not put this sign up to be derogatory, racist or to offend anyone. This is part of Americana History… just like everything else hung in our collection and buildings.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:53:52am

re: #321 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, I gotta say, this thing with the tax bill where red states get benefits while blue states get shafted is shady as fuck.

As much as they can’t stand Republicans, I can’t see Democrats purposefully sabotaging red states.

Democrats may not like Republicans but they would never sabotage red states for the simple reason of not everyone in a red state being an asshole yourself included and many children too. But as said, liberalism is about making government work for the benefit of citizenry and it doesn’t matter if they’re in a bright blue city or a bright red town in the middle of nowhere.

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darthstar  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:54:18am

re: #306 jeffreyw

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Love that song.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:54:36am

re: #326 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Lubbock makes the Big Time again:

Texas restaurant under fire for ‘racist’ vintage neon sign

These people.

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BeachDem  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:54:47am

re: #300 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I have two slow-cookers that I’ll never use again, since I can do my usual overnight cook in an hour in the pressure cooker. I need to find people to give them to.

I give small appliances that I don’t use to our women’s shelter—they help set women up in apartments and kitchen stuff is always welcome.

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Citizen K  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:55:12am

re: #323 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s because Liberalism is about making government work for the benefit of everyone, rather than using government as a cudgel to punish people you don’t like.

Unfortunately, we’ve seen far too often what truly animates the electorate to action, and it’s rarely ever the former.

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:56:18am

re: #317 BeachDem

I am somewhat pathetic. Based on the rave reviews here, I bought an Instant Pot early in October and it’s still sitting in its box in my office. Just haven’t had the energy to master a new appliance! I have a slow cooker that I use to make stew and chili, but haven’t tackled the Instant Pot yet—I mostly want to try it for ribs, which I hear are great.

There is a bit of a learning curve. Cool thing is that there are so many recipes for it on the ‘net that you can get a feel for timing pretty quick.Like, I still use my regular meatloaf recipe, etc. but check other recipes for timing. Once you start using it you will find it really easy.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:56:29am

I may not like conservative voters and what they stand for but I’d never want the government used to fuck them over. In fact, my hope albeit naive is maybe they’d appreciate liberalism if they actually saw it in action rather than getting the FNC version of what it means to be an American liberal.

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makeitstop  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:57:31am

re: #306 jeffreyw

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That song always makes me laugh like an idiot.

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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:57:34am

re: #313 allegro

I think for the cheesecake, the IP acts like a bain marie (water bath) which is used in a lot of baking (especially French baking like cookingchanneltv.com which I can’t wait to make). The cheesecake recipe is pretty basic so not shared.

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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:58:44am

re: #314 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I refuse to watch The Orville until it’s renewed. Fox and SciFi have a very bad past. Every show I ever watched that was good, they fucked with and canceled.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:59:11am

re: #324 Eclectic Cyborg

My main complaint with Discovery is that it’s yet another prequel.

Enterprise was a prequel
The most recent three movies are effectively prequels

At what point do we move ahead in the story? Star Wars finally did it. Time for Trek to get on board.

Yeah…..something after the events of TNG or DS9 or Voyager. Maybe something set in the 26th or 27th century?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:00:07am

re: #329 HappyWarrior

These people.

So they’d be cool with me opening a cafe and putting up a Nation of Islam flag…right?

//

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danarchy  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:00:25am

re: #320 MsJ

Both of us **LOVE** Star Trek: Discovery. Absolutely love it.

Hubby is a TOS fan and he loves how they’ve woven prior characters into the plots.

I just love it.

I am actually a little surprised they picked it up for a second season. I didn’t expect enough people to shell out the cash for cbs all access to justify it. In general SciFi shows have pretty high production costs. I certainly wasn’t impressed enough by the free episode to justify another monthly subscription.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:00:53am

re: #325 HappyWarrior

Which is really the difference between the two ideologies.

Conservatism USED TO BE an ideology. It’s been replaced by a weird combination of white nationalism, militaristic isolationism, and plutocracy.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:00:56am

re: #306 jeffreyw

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Damn, Thank you. That was good…

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:01:05am

re: #339 danarchy

I am actually a little surprised they picked it up for a second season. I didn’t expect enough people to shell out the cash for cbs all access to justify it. In general SciFi shows have pretty high production costs. I certainly wasn’t impressed enough by the free episode to justify another monthly subscription.

I binge watched it on Netflix.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:01:12am

re: #338 Eclectic Cyborg

So they’d be cool with me opening a cafe and putting up a Nation of Islam flag…right?

//

Hey it’s part of Americana. //

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:01:57am

re: #340 Blind Frog Belly White

Conservatism USED TO BE an ideology. It’s been replaced by a weird combination of white nationalism, militaristic isolationism, and plutocracy.

Don’t forget fascism.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:02:00am

Alabama to end enrollment in children’s insurance program on New Year’s Day
al.com

That’s no new enrollments in our version of CHIP. Feb 1, everyone comes off. Martha Roby has been bullshitting her constituents with a planned House Resolution that hasn’t happened.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:02:09am

re: #340 Blind Frog Belly White

Conservatism USED TO BE an ideology. It’s been replaced by a weird combination of white nationalism, militaristic isolationism, and plutocracy.

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Ha yep!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:02:34am

re: #344 Eclectic Cyborg

Don’t forget fascism.

That’s teh thing, conservatism has become fascist in our country.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:02:36am
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:03:44am

re: #343 HappyWarrior

Hey it’s part of Americana. //

Nation of Islam is a uniquely American religion - a dramatic and syncretic reinterpretation of classic Islamic doctrine.

Like $cientology. :)

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darthstar  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:03:45am

re: #341 Dave In Austin

Damn, Thank you. That was good…

…cooks that crystal meth because the shine don’t sell
Says he likes the money, he don’t mind the smell…

Love that verse.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:03:46am

re: #332 allegro

There is a bit of a learning curve. Cool thing is that there are so many recipes for it on the ‘net that you can get a feel for timing pretty quick.Like, I still use my regular meatloaf recipe, etc. but check other recipes for timing. Once you start using it you will find it really easy.

That’s the best part. This thing is so popular that it has a huge presence on the web.

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:03:59am

re: #335 MsJ

I think for the cheesecake, the IP acts like a bain marie (water bath) which is used in a lot of baking (especially French baking like cookingchanneltv.com which I can’t wait to make). The cheesecake recipe is pretty basic so not shared.

Ooo that looks delicious! I have made Creme Brulee in there and it was excellent.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:04:13am

re: #322 GlutenFreeJesus

Sorry. Here’s the YouTube version:

Mr Spankey and the Hipthrusters

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danarchy  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:04:24am

re: #336 MsJ

I refuse to watch The Orville until it’s renewed. Fox and SciFi have a very bad past. Every show I ever watched that was good, they fucked with and canceled.

It’s already been renewed for season 2. Also, it is a Seth McFarlane show, Fox will do pretty much anything he wants.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:04:39am

re: #324 Eclectic Cyborg

My main complaint with Discovery is that it’s yet another prequel.

Enterprise was a prequel
The most recent three movies are effectively prequels

At what point do we move ahead in the story? Star Wars finally did it. Time for Trek to get on board.

I’ve been reading the novels. They move ahead. With a vengeance. I’d love to see another ST set after Nemesis, but books have a great deal going for them. (I don’t hate Discovery’s plot, although I hope they find a fatal flaw in the spore drive — turns out it’s a nonrenewable resource? — but I really don’t like it visually. )

Oh, and I hear they’re planning to work on the continuity problems in the next series of episodes.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:06:16am

re: #350 darthstar

Just like home. Hillbillies across the street have been busted for narcs I don’t know how many times. When the light burn all nite, sometine’s cookin’.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:06:33am

re: #339 danarchy

I am actually a little surprised they picked it up for a second season. I didn’t expect enough people to shell out the cash for cbs all access to justify it. In general SciFi shows have pretty high production costs. I certainly wasn’t impressed enough by the free episode to justify another monthly subscription.

I believe Netflix is footing the bill. It’s available to subscribers.

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:06:58am

re: #342 Dr Lizardo

I binge watched it on Netflix.

It isn’t on Netflix in the US, even though Netflix funded it. Since I pay for Netflix there is no way I will pay for a CBS subscription as well and pay for the damn series twice. Also, I was unimpressed with the first freebie episode.

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plansbandc  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:07:04am

re: #306 jeffreyw

Love this song! Been listening to the Ray Wylie Hubbard station on Prime Music and this song is on it.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:08:58am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:09:06am

re: #358 allegro

It isn’t on Netflix in the US, even though Netflix funded it. Since I pay for Netflix there is no way I will pay for a CBS subscription as well and pay for the damn series twice. Also, I was unimpressed with the first freebie episode.

It’s not on NetFlix here because no one would pay for a CBS subscription if it was. I don’t think the CBS pay service is going to survive. They need several really good exclusive shows to do so, and may fail even then, since people resent needing a new service for a few shows, and will ignore it or torrent it.

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Citizen K  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:09:26am

re: #340 Blind Frog Belly White

Conservatism USED TO BE an ideology. It’s been replaced by a weird combination of white nationalism, militaristic isolationism, and plutocracy.

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I’d say the irony there is that these days, National Socialism pretty much IS the GOP ethos.

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darthstar  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:09:56am

Trump is starting his victory lap, and just free associated himself into a rant on immigration.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:10:21am

re: #339 danarchy

I am actually a little surprised they picked it up for a second season. I didn’t expect enough people to shell out the cash for cbs all access to justify it. In general SciFi shows have pretty high production costs. I certainly wasn’t impressed enough by the free episode to justify another monthly subscription.

Historical dramas have the highest production costs. I loved Underground and Mercy Street but they got cancelled because they cost too much to produce.

I haven’t seen Outlander. There was scene in the book that was utterly horrific, at which point I just stopped reading, and they transferred it to the show as written.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:10:26am

re: #355 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I’ve been reading the novels. They move ahead. With a vengeance. I’d love to see another ST set after Nemesis, but books have a great deal going for them. (I don’t hate Discovery’s plot, although I hope they find a fatal flaw in the spore drive — turns out it’s a nonrenewable resource? — but I really don’t like it visually. )

Oh, and I hear they’re planning to work on the continuity problems in the next series of episodes.

I can think of an easy explanation:

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You’re welcome CBS/Paramount. I’ll let you know where you can send your payment.

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plansbandc  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:10:29am

re: #360 JordanRules

Not the least bit unbelievable.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:10:41am

re: #363 darthstar

Trump is starting his victory lap, and just free associated himself into a rant on immigration.

“Why is Obama always spiking the football?”

//

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darthstar  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:12:05am

He’s all over the map right now.

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makeitstop  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:12:16am

re: #322 GlutenFreeJesus

Whoa. Check this guy out.

facebook.com

God damn. That geezer can play. :)

(Stated respectfully as a fellow geezer.)

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:12:33am

re: #358 allegro

It isn’t on Netflix in the US, even though Netflix funded it. Since I pay for Netflix there is no way I will pay for a CBS subscription as well and pay for the damn series twice. Also, I was unimpressed with the first freebie episode.

Wow; I didn’t know that. Yeah, it’s available on Netflix here in Europe.

If it’s any consolation, there’s no Godzilla films on Netflix Europe, which is exceedingly sad.

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danarchy  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:12:36am

re: #358 allegro

It isn’t on Netflix in the US, even though Netflix funded it. Since I pay for Netflix there is no way I will pay for a CBS subscription as well and pay for the damn series twice. Also, I was unimpressed with the first freebie episode.

I was going to say I have netflix and have not seen it on there. Is this another case where US consumers get to subsidize everyone else?

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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:13:27am

re: #339 danarchy

I am actually a little surprised they picked it up for a second season. I didn’t expect enough people to shell out the cash for cbs all access to justify it. In general SciFi shows have pretty high production costs. I certainly wasn’t impressed enough by the free episode to justify another monthly subscription.

It’s on Space here (like SyFy). I don’t pay extra for it. I wouldn’t.

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Interesting Times  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:13:45am

Yup:

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:13:58am

re: #365 Dr Lizardo

I can think of an easy explanation:

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You’re welcome CBS/Paramount. I’ll let you know where you can send your payment.

I thought of that, but it wouldn’t stop unscrupulous people from using it anyway.

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Charmingly Persistent  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:14:05am

re: #276 The Vicious Babushka

I have a Futura pressure cooker, which is great. Pressure cookers do not have a timer and the pressure can only be adjusted by adjusting the burner flame on the stove.

I also have a slow cooker and a rice steamer.

Should I buy an instant pot?

The current electric pressure cookers (mine is actually a Cosori) also can cook rice and slow cook, so you could save some space by getting rid of the other devices. I mostly use mine for soup and stew, and it really is good and fast.

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darthstar  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:14:07am
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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:15:01am

re: #352 allegro

Ooo that looks delicious! I have made Creme Brulee in there and it was excellent.

If you make it before me, please tell me how it turns out.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:15:06am
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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:15:36am

re: #354 danarchy

It’s already been renewed for season 2. Also, it is a Seth McFarlane show, Fox will do pretty much anything he wants.

The oddest of pairings, I must say.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:16:16am

re: #365 Dr Lizardo

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:17:36am

re: #378 The Vicious Babushka

Then the next Democratic Congress and Democratic President are just gonna have to put it back, with improvements of course. And they can perhaps rename it.

I suggest the “Go Fuck Yourself Donald Trump Healthcare Act”.

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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:17:46am

re: #358 allegro

It isn’t on Netflix in the US, even though Netflix funded it. Since I pay for Netflix there is no way I will pay for a CBS subscription as well and pay for the damn series twice. Also, I was unimpressed with the first freebie episode.

That’s like I have NetFlix, and Amazon Prime with my prime membership, so I won’t get Hulu or the rash of others who want to charge me 5 bucks or whatever a month. I get people like to watch stuff on their computer or iPad. I don’t. I love my giant screen tv and a simple place to watch stuff…not five thousand different subscription channels.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:17:49am

re: #329 HappyWarrior

re: #338 Eclectic Cyborg

The Coon Chicken Restaurant sign is a genuine historical artifact and it does need to be displayed but not in this context:

Cook’s Garage, Lubbock

It would be a powerful addition to a display on racism, for example, since it shows how casual and ubiquitous that racism was in the past.
Surrounded by basically pleasant and positive nostalgia pieces, it is jarring to say the least. The owners are either completely tone deaf, or they do in fact consider blatant racism an object of nostalgia.
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:19:09am

re: #380 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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darthstar  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:19:13am
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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:19:44am

re: #381 Dr Lizardo

Then the next Democratic Congress and Democratic President are just gonna have to put it back, with improvements of course. And they can perhaps rename it.

I suggest the “Go Fuck Yourself Donald Trump Healthcare Act”.

Just clearing the way for Single Payer. Of course there will be a bunch of needless deaths between now and then, but who’s counting?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:19:47am
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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:19:54am

re: #361 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s not on NetFlix here because no one would pay for a CBS subscription if it was. I don’t think the CBS pay service is going to survive. They need several really good exclusive shows to do so, and may fail even then, since people resent needing a new service for a few shows, and will ignore it or torrent it.

They should have continued Person of Interest. That would have brought in subscribers. But they kilt it. They kilt it dead.

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sagehen  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:20:07am

re: #383 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The Coon Chicken Restaurant sign is a genuine historical artifact and it does need to be displayed but not in this context:

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It would be a powerful addition to a display on racism, for example, since it shows how casual and ubiquitous that racism was in the past.
Surrounded by basically pleasant and positive nostalgia pieces, it is jarring to say the least. The owners are either completely tone deaf, or they do in fact consider blatant racism an object of nostalgia.

Anybody else here old enough, and from the right part of the country, to remember Sambo’s restaurants?

OMG.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:20:19am
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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:22:57am

re: #382 MsJ

That’s like I have NetFlix, and Amazon Prime with my prime membership, so I won’t get Hulu or the rash of others who want to charge me 5 bucks or whatever a month. I get people like to watch stuff on their computer or iPad. I don’t. I love my giant screen tv and a simple place to watch stuff…not five thousand different subscription channels.

Ditto.I run a HDMI cable from my laptop to my flatscreen to watch most everything now. I have a Firestick but finally got disgusted with the near-constant buffering interruptions on Netflix that I suspect Amazon does deliberately.

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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:23:20am

re: #381 Dr Lizardo

Then the next Democratic Congress and Democratic President are just gonna have to put it back, with improvements of course. And they can perhaps rename it.

I suggest the “Go Fuck Yourself Donald Trump Republicans Healthcare Act”.

Why limit it to one asshole when there are so many deserving assholes that people can hate for eternity for killing their friends and family members?

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darthstar  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:24:06am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:24:24am

re: #382 MsJ

That’s like I have NetFlix, and Amazon Prime with my prime membership, so I won’t get Hulu or the rash of others who want to charge me 5 bucks or whatever a month. I get people like to watch stuff on their computer or iPad. I don’t. I love my giant screen tv and a simple place to watch stuff…not five thousand different subscription channels.

I have all three services, and can watch them on my big 4K Smart-TV. NetFlix 4K was the reason I bought the TV.

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:24:36am

re: #389 sagehen

Anybody else here old enough, and from the right part of the country, to remember Sambo’s restaurants?

OMG.

Yes I am/do

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:24:52am

re: #389 sagehen

Anybody else here old enough, and from the right part of the country, to remember Sambo’s restaurants?

OMG.

Yeah, I remember a few of those in California.

IIRC, there’s only one Sambo’s restaurant left in the USA…..it’s in Utah, I think.

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Citizen K  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:24:54am

re: #381 Dr Lizardo

Then the next Democratic Congress and Democratic President are just gonna have to put it back, with improvements of course. And they can perhaps rename it.

I suggest the “Go Fuck Yourself Donald Trump Healthcare Act”.

My fear there is two-fold

1) Who knows if/when we’ll get a Congress that will actually allow this, knowing the GOP’s penchant for intractable obstruction, and the media’s willingness to pretend it’s SOP when they scream bloody murder about one single Dem filibuster.

2) Even if we manage to get this, it’s almost only a matter of time before the electorate gets its usual amnesia, pretends Dems are to blame for all ills yet again and give the GOP insurmountable majorities again to fix ‘the Democrat’s problems’. Because that’s how it always seem to fucking work in this fucking country.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:25:57am

re: #392 MsJ

Why limit it to one asshole when there are so many deserving assholes that people can hate for eternity for killing their friends and family members?

Yes, that’s actually much better. I love it!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:26:27am

re: #391 allegro

Ditto.I run a HDMI cable from my laptop to my flatscreen to watch most everything now. I have a Firestick but finally got disgusted with the near-constant buffering interruptions on Netflix that I suspect Amazon does deliberately.

I had a ROKU stick that was constantly buffering. I replaced it with a Roku that connects to my wired network, and that fixed it.

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Citizen K  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:27:04am

re: #393 darthstar

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:29:43am

re: #396 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, I remember a few of those in California.

IIRC, there’s only one Sambo’s restaurant left in the USA…..it’s in Utah, I think.

I was mistaken…..there’s one still left in Santa Barbara, CA. I think it’s the original location.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:31:14am

re: #378 The Vicious Babushka

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:32:59am

re: #389 sagehen

Heh. I just got a reminder that it actually existed when I was reading this yesterday. Sambos is on the list.

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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:33:20am

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:34:21am

Next up: hot war in the Middle East putting my loved ones in direct danger.
THIS MANIAC HAS TO BE STOPPED BEFORE HE KILLS MORE PEOPLE.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:34:42am

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:35:49am

My thoughts on Republicans would get me banned from this site.

We need to be running ads 24x7 on how this tax plan will ultimately increase taxes on the poor and middle class and is designed to destroy Medicare and Social Security. Thanks to Republican lies, when Clinton passed his tax increases on the wealthy, the GOP persuaded middle income Americans that their taxes were being increased too. We need to push home this message every day with the same single minded determination as the GOP.

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:36:06am

currently:

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:36:15am

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nines09  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:36:43am

re: #389 sagehen

Anybody else here old enough, and from the right part of the country, to remember Sambo’s restaurants?

OMG.

The original is still open, minus the obvious though….

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:37:56am
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:38:33am

re: #404 JordanRules

Heh. I just got a reminder that it actually existed when I was reading this yesterday. Sambos is on the list.

Do You Remember These Defunct Restaurant Chains?
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I definitely remember Pioneer Chicken!

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:38:57am

Trumporrhoids want to obliterate the 22nd amendment. They assume they can just breeze through 2020.

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:39:45am

re: #389 sagehen

Anybody else here old enough, and from the right part of the country, to remember Sambo’s restaurants?

OMG.

when i was in college one was opened up in town. the hue and cry in the campus / school newspaper went on for weeeks

might have been one of my first introductions to “our answer is the only answer / right answer, why cant you see that?” —- from all sides

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:41:09am

re: #413 Dr Lizardo

That was one of the very few I did not remember!

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plansbandc  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:41:21am

So there’s something particularly nice about knowing we are ruined and having the people who ruined us laugh about it. I hate Republicans with every part of my being.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:41:54am

re: #414 The Vicious Babushka

Trumporrhoids want to obliterate the 22nd amendment. They assume they can just breeze through 2020.

They can obliterate the 22nd amendment legally by running members of Trump’s family for the rest of our lives, but I don’t think that’s going to happen

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:42:43am

re: #416 JordanRules

That was one of the very few I did not remember!

It wasn’t too bad, actually. Usually ended up there once every few months when we’d go visit my crazy aunt in Santa Ana, CA.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:44:14am

I’ve paged the Lubbock restaurant story.

Lubbock Restaurant Under Fire for ‘Racist’ Vintage Neon Sign

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rhuarc  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:44:26am

re: #408 Hecuba’s daughter

My thoughts on Republicans would get me banned from this site.

We need to be running ads 24x7 on how this tax plan will ultimately increase taxes on the poor and middle class and is designed to destroy Medicare and Social Security. Thanks to Republican lies, when Clinton passed his tax increases on the wealthy, the GOP persuaded middle income Americans that their taxes were being increased too. We need to push home this message every day with the same single minded determination as the GOP.

Those thoughts are going to become a reality for certain people in the near future more than likely. Desperate people will do desperate things.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:44:36am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:44:45am

re: #329 HappyWarrior

These people.

re: #338 Eclectic Cyborg

So they’d be cool with me opening a cafe and putting up a Nation of Islam flag…right?

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re: #343 HappyWarrior

Hey it’s part of Americana. //

re: #383 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The Coon Chicken Restaurant sign is a genuine historical artifact and it does need to be displayed but not in this context:

It would be a powerful addition to a display on racism, for example, since it shows how casual and ubiquitous that racism was in the past.

Surrounded by basically pleasant and positive nostalgia pieces, it is jarring to say the least. The owners are either completely tone deaf, or they do in fact consider blatant racism an object of nostalgia.

The problem with jumping on the restaurant for displaying what is a true piece of Americana jumps to the argument that many people responded to about the confederate statues. Put them up somewhere that is not public land. This is private property and they are displaying what is real history; unlike a confederate statue that was placed to advance racism.

As SK notes, putting in context in their restaurant with other racist signs would add historical relevance over just having it displayed. They may or may not (most probably not) be tonedeaf. Their business will suffer if enough people get annoyed, but that is their lot. 1A is what it is. Maybe they will take the complaints to heart and do something more appropriate with their historical objects. But, it’s Lubbox, so probably not.

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Citizen K  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:46:25am

Further proof that things are simply fundamentally broken across the board:

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darthstar  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:47:28am
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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:48:02am

re: #412 JordanRules

Imagine any Democrat saying, “We’re only going to hurt them in Texas and Wyoming and Alabama. And they deserve it.” Can’t. Because the two parties are different; one, when given power, actually tries to govern the United States.

further, the r’s are hurting their own in the blue states

the dems know they have constituents on those states

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Citizen K  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:50:26am

re: #426 dangerman

further, the r’s are hurting their own in the blue states

the dems know they have constituents on those states

Nah, this presumes that the GOP’s constituents are those who vote for them.

THey know full well their only real constituents are the ones that PAY them. Everyone else can fuck off, especially those that will crawl over molten glass to vote GOP just to spite a minority, because there’s literally nothing that could be done to turn them away.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:51:21am

re: #425 darthstar

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Wow… $42.89 a month for each family member. AMAZING!

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:51:55am

OFFS this is utterly ridiculous
Never mind Jack, it’s Chris Cilice

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darthstar  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:54:00am

re: #428 GlutenFreeJesus

Wow… $42.89 a month for each family member. AMAZING!

That’s not even enough for a carton of cigarettes…if you have a family of four smokers.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:54:04am
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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:54:09am

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Citizen K  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:58:05am

No matter how much Trump fucks up, no matter how much he outright and openly hurts America, you can trust in the media to still treat Hillary like she just killed a puppy on live TV and thus is always worse than Trump.

Trump could kill HILLARY on live TV and the media would somehow blame her for attempted murder on Trump.

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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:58:59am

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Dave In Austin  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:01:50am

re: #434 MsJ

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Weaselone  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:03:03am

re: #432 JordanRules

It’s probably a combination of 5 - The media and Republican propaganda apparatus is still running full tilt sliming her and that sliming is essentially unopposed now that she’s a private citizen.

and whatever number the below point is (like I’m going to read that trash)

Hillary lost to Trump. She’s got loser stink and it stinks ever more the crappier and less popular Trump is. She get’s blame for the crap he does because she didn’t beat him.

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Citizen K  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:04:09am

re: #434 MsJ

re: #435 Dave In Austin

Except you know that they will never stop blaming Obama or Obamacare for anything. When healthcare collapses, when the wellness level of the country runs off a cliff, it’ll be touted as a failure of Obamacare and proof that they need to abolish all Medicare and Medicaid to prove it. And they’ll get their way too.

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nines09  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:04:29am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:04:59am

re: #431 The Vicious Babushka

Look at that shit’s body language.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:05:10am

re: #432 JordanRules

And at this point….WHO THE FUCK CARES? She’s not President. They got the asshole they kissed up to. STFU….CHRIS. At this point, this is just nothing but sexism. Ooooh Lady President Bad, can’t have a LADY PRESIDENT. We get it assholes, so fucking what?

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:06:48am

re: #436 Weaselone

I don’t buy the loser stink dynamic in this instance.
Folks believe Russia interfered in our election. The media also feels guilty about not doing better so they want to make her look like a loser so they don’t have to look in the mirror.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:09:24am

re: #440 A Mom Anon

I really want to know why that Gallup poll of her approval rating was commissioned and then who at each publication decided to run with it and continue with this bullshit misogynistic narrative.
I want to know the ins and outs of how this is still happening.

I’m disgusted!!

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:11:33am

OK…..I’m out. Gonna binge watch Stranger Things.

Have a good one, Lizards.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:11:47am

re: #441 JordanRules

You may be giving them credit for actually having some sense of shame. If they did, they would ignore Hillary unless she actually were to do something newsworthy. It’s the same bullshit with her husband. EVERY. FUCKING. TIME. the topic of cheating husbands comes up we have to hear endless Clinton/Lewinsky shit. It happened 30 years ago and no crime was committed. Liberals do this too. (ahem, Bill Maher, that weasel but he isn’t the only one). Enough with this crap.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:12:18am

re: #431 The Vicious Babushka

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:12:44am

re: #427 Citizen K

Nah, this presumes that the GOP’s constituents are those who vote for them.

THey know full well their only real constituents are the ones that PAY them. Everyone else can fuck off, especially those that will crawl over molten glass to vote GOP just to spite a minority, because there’s literally nothing that could be done to turn them away.

you are right re who’s actually driving their bus
still, not to put too fine a point on it, ok i will…. ;-)

there are republican voters in those blue states (not deep rural red states). they voted for their congresscritter who may be an R. piss them off enough and maybe they wont next time, let alone state and local, or president in 2020

i dont see the dems ever being that craven or dense

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Mike Lamb  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:13:42am

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:13:46am

re: #118 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

We have an attending physician with a really unfortunate name. So much so, that the first time I encountered him I thought he was pulling my leg. “No really, what’s your name?” In my previous life there was a guy whose name was virtually lifted from a PA stunt from the movie Porky’s. I used to cringe asking for him on the phone. After a few years somebody finally changed his name on the letterhead to Michael.

Stu Padaso?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:16:18am

re: #439 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Look at that shit’s body language.

Classic posture of defensiveness and insecurity.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:19:04am

re: #444 A Mom Anon

Reminder that Maher is not really a liberal. He’s a member of the asshole party though.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:22:17am

The yam is the most ungiving soul. So disgusted

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Citizen K  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:22:19am

re: #446 dangerman

you are right re who’s actually driving their bus
still, not to put too fine a point on it, ok i will…. ;-)

there are republican voters in those blue states (not deep rural red states). they voted for their congresscritter who may be an R. piss them off enough and maybe they wont next time, let alone state and local, or president in 2020

i dont see the dems ever being that craven or dense

You may be right on a small scale, but we’ve seen where the hope of ‘coming to Jesus’ moments from the Republican base gets us. Hint: there are more of those ‘crawl over molten glass’ voters than polls will ever give credit for.

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ipsos  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:23:42am

re: #452 Citizen K

You may be right on a small scale, but we’ve seen where the hope of ‘coming to Jesus’ moments from the Republican base gets us. Hint: there are more of those ‘crawl over molten glass’ voters than polls will ever give credit for.

But Alabama.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:26:02am

I’m not sure they thought this through.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:27:43am

So is Obamacare officially dead now? Did the GOP manage to sneak a repeal through after all?

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:28:28am

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:29:07am

re: #423 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The problem with jumping on the restaurant for displaying what is a true piece of Americana jumps to the argument that many people responded to about the confederate statues. Put them up somewhere that is not public land. This is private property and they are displaying what is real history; unlike a confederate statue that was placed to advance racism.

As SK notes, putting in context in their restaurant with other racist signs would add historical relevance over just having it displayed. They may or may not (most probably not) be tonedeaf. Their business will suffer if enough people get annoyed, but that is their lot. 1A is what it is. Maybe they will take the complaints to heart and do something more appropriate with their historical objects. But, it’s Lubbox, so probably not.

Yep, the place is probably full of people congratulating the owners for defying “political correctness.” it is not just Lubbock, it is on the south edge of Lubbock, with miles and miles of recently built mcmansions between it and anything resembling a diverse or integrated neighborhood. It is one of most heavily Republican areas in the country (90-95%, for real). The nearby zip code has the highest percentage of concealed carry holders in Texas. When I lived in Lubbock, I lived in Tech Terrace, the (mostly) upscale neighborhood near the Texas Tech campus. Anything south of Loop 289 (3 miles away and about 7 from the restaurant) was basically enemy territory.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:29:29am

re: #452 Citizen K

You may be right on a small scale, but we’ve seen where the hope of ‘coming to Jesus’ moments from the Republican base gets us. Hint: there are more of those ‘crawl over molten glass’ voters than polls will ever give credit for.

Exactly. As long as they believe the worst Republican is a better choice than the best Democrat, there’s no bringing them back.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:30:45am

re: #455 Eclectic Cyborg

They’ve effectively destroyed it by getting rid of the individual mandate. Healthy adults, especially younger people will opt out and prices are going to go crazier than they are now. So, even if they do nothing else, this could be the death of the whole thing.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:30:55am

Jet’s Pizza, which isn’t really pizza, screwed up my department lunch this year. First they delivered at 10am instead of noon, then when they redelivered at noon, the order is completely wrong. Hopefully my director, who doesn’t understand pizza, and insists on Jet’s, is put off by this.

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Old Liberal  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:31:43am

re: #455 Eclectic Cyborg

So is Obamacare officially dead now? Did the GOP manage to sneak a repeal through after all?

No, the Affordable Care Act is not “officially dead”. This is Trump and Republicans lying so they can celebrate another “promise” delivered. The tax bill created further instability for the Affordable Care Act, but the framework remains. Trump lies again, no surprise.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:32:46am

re: #455 Eclectic Cyborg

So is Obamacare officially dead now? Did the GOP manage to sneak a repeal through after all?

Just the individual mandate. It’s not entirely clear how this will play out in the marketplace since the mandate never really brought as many people in as it was supposed to because the penalty was never really big enough. This will probably result in some insurers leaving the exchanges next year though. Also, those announcements will be happening about a month before the 2018 midterms so all the blame will fall directly on the GOP.

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wrenchwench  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:33:33am

re: #453 ipsos

But Alabama.

Whooda thunk that would ever be a positive comment on the political condition of the United Shtates.

Unless I am misinterpreting things.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:33:57am

So the GOP wants us to be broke AND sick now?

*spit*

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:35:10am

re: #463 wrenchwench

Whooda thunk that would ever be a positive comment on the political condition of the United Shtates.

Unless I am misinterpreting things.

Haven’t seen you lately. Assuming celebratory hangover.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:35:17am

I like the Daily News.

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Old Liberal  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:36:05am

re: #464 Eclectic Cyborg

So the GOP wants us to be broke AND sick now?

*spit*

Remember when MLK said the opposite of love is not hate, the opposite is indifference. They couldn’t possibly care less if anyone lived or died or starved. Unless it happens to them. Not their problem.

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:38:28am

re: #452 Citizen K

You may be right on a small scale, but we’ve seen where the hope of ‘coming to Jesus’ moments from the Republican base gets us. Hint: there are more of those ‘crawl over molten glass’ voters than polls will ever give credit for.

no doubt
switching parties may be a bridge too far. (may be? who am i kidding?)
but withholding a vote for an R, maybe, just maybe

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ipsos  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:41:11am

re: #463 wrenchwench

Whooda thunk that would ever be a positive comment on the political condition of the United Shtates.

Unless I am misinterpreting things.

You’re not - and I’m as surprised to be typing it as you are to be reading it.

But seriously, I think Alabama gave us a sense that there IS a bottom to the “crawl over molten glass,” and I’m clinging to the belief that there are a LOT of places where we don’t need a 46-point swing.

Yes, this sucks right now. Hard. But I refuse to believe it will be forever, or even all that long. November is coming.

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wrenchwench  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:41:22am

re: #465 Decatur Deb

Haven’t seen you lately. Assuming celebratory hangover.

Would be nice.

One has to make a big journey to have things that are ordinary in some places taken care of. And to find the ones accepting the form of payment on offer. At least the one I found could do it in one trip, rather than the other place which, while closer, would have required two trips. And it took me a month to get the appointment lined up. Fortunately, there was no pain involved. And we missed the bad weather.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:42:01am

re: #461 Old Liberal

No, the Affordable Care Act is not “officially dead”. This is Trump and Republicans lying so they can celebrate another “promise” delivered. The tax bill created further instability for the Affordable Care Act, but the framework remains. Trump lies again, no surprise.

And the media will allow him to get away with it.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:42:21am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:44:47am

I wonder if the Democrats will put another woman up against Trump in 2020.

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wrenchwench  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:45:05am

re: #469 ipsos

You’re not - and I’m as surprised to be typing it as you are to be reading it.

But seriously, I think Alabama gave us a sense that there IS a bottom to the “crawl over molten glass,” and I’m clinging to the belief that there are a LOT of places where we don’t need a 46-point swing.

Yes, this sucks right now. Hard. But I refuse to believe it will be forever, or even all that long. November is coming.

This is the kind of comment I come back for. Thanks.

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:46:12am

re: #473 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if the Democrats will put another woman up against Trump in 2020.

we’re the democrats
depends on who runs and who we vote for in the primaries

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BeachDem  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:46:29am

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:46:56am

It appears the Cliven Bundy trial ended in a mistrial. I heard it, haven’t read anything about what happened yet.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:48:05am

re: #475 JordanRules

Oh shit. They really are going to try and fire him, aren’t they?

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:50:07am

re: #479 Eclectic Cyborg

Since it’s Warner speaking, I’m not so sure that’s what this is about.
But I have no idea what this is about really. Uggh.

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BeachDem  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:52:27am

re: #406 The Vicious Babushka

Next up: hot war in the Middle East putting my loved ones in direct danger.
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:52:31am

It occurs to me though that if Mueller is as smart as I think he is, he probably has a contingency plan ready to go if he does get fired.

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:54:02am

thinking over the last say, month or so, in my inevitable style of trying to distill things down, i’ve come up with three points or targets i think summarize our challenge:

- combating the “media machine’ - the outright lying and way more subtle spin. this also goes to press conferences and press releases - following up, calling out, challenging and holding congresscritters to some semblance of the truth

- pig ignorant and happy about it (mostly) rural republicans

- clearly recognizing and identifying our “market” is with african americans (women!) , other minorities, and cities (urban / suburban). are there enough votes to turn a red state (or district) blue? what about that “every zip code” or district level approach?

all before registration drives and gotv

and we havent even talked about mundane things like the platform itself

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ericblair  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:55:04am

re: #462 goddamnedfrank

Just the individual mandate. It’s not entirely clear how this will play out in the marketplace since the mandate never really brought as many people in as it was supposed to because the penalty was never really big enough. This will probably result in some insurers leaving the exchanges next year though. Also, those announcements will be happening about a month before the 2018 midterms so all the blame will fall directly on the GOP.

I think the individual mandate’s importance was always overrated in actual practice. The analysis assumes that people are Homo Economicus, coldly calculating every move for maximum personal advantage. That way, they’d go without insurance until they needed it, and then pile on when they’re sick and insurers can’t deny them, leading to a death spiral. In practice, people value security a lot and routinely overinsure themselves. It needs to be reinstated, but it’s not the end of Obamacare.

Fuckface obviously thinks that the mandate penalty somehow finances ACA, and he pulled one over on everyone by not mentioning it (because of course nobody else would notice). I hate that asshole so much.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:55:44am

re: #482 Eclectic Cyborg

It occurs to me though that if Mueller is as smart as I think he is, he probably has a contingency plan ready to go if he does get fired.

So does MoveOn. To get plugged-in:

trumpisnotabovethelaw.org

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wrenchwench  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:57:18am
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jaunte  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:59:49am

No, you’re the one yelling “FUCK YOU” at Republicans on TV telling everyone how good the tax scam bill is going to be for the economy.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:59:50am

re: #478 A Mom Anon

It appears the Cliven Bundy trial ended in a mistrial. I heard it, haven’t read anything about what happened yet.

The prosecutors done fucked up. Did not give defense lawyers some relevant evidence. The Bundy’s are the luckiest morons in America.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:00:53am

re: #488 Ace-o-aces

The prosecutors done fucked up. Did not give defense lawyers some relevant evidence. The Bundy’s are the luckiest morons in America.

Besides the Trump family.

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:02:39am
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jaunte  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:02:55am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:03:44am

LOOK AT THIS REEKING BULLSHIT

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Skip Intro  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:04:03am

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:04:44am
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wrenchwench  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:06:24am

re: #490 Eclectic Cyborg

re: #488 Ace-o-aces

The prosecutors done fucked up. Did not give defense lawyers some relevant evidence. The Bundy’s are the luckiest morons in America.

Besides the Trump family.

Trumps win in the moron department. Bundys win in numerousness, but the verdict on the luck quotient is still out. May they both lose.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:08:06am

NEW FUX NOISE FAUXTRAGE

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:09:34am
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:10:02am

re: #493 The Vicious Babushka

LOOK AT THIS REEKING BULLSHIT

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As federal tax revenues dry up an increasing burden will fall on local govts. In blue states especially, they’ll be hard pressed to raise taxes to meet the need (wealthy communities will be ok, but will still be hit by the limits to SALT deductions). Many communities are already reeling from 2008; this is a sucker punch.

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:10:13am
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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:11:01am

re: #497 The Vicious Babushka
Not only are they idiots, they lack reading comprehension skills regarding shit they wrote themselves.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:12:35am

Wyatt Koch reminds me of Dennis Nedry.

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Kragar  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:13:03am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:13:20am

re: #491 jaunte

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did he also design Blake’s duckie pajamas?

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:14:53am

re: #502 Eclectic Cyborg

NEWMAN!
My cat was named Newman, until I found out she was a girl, now she is Maggie.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:15:02am

re: #495 jaunte

His last name is Koch, yes? Why isn’t he using it?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:16:14am

re: #505 Shropshire Slasher

NEWMAN!
My cat was named Newman, until I found out she was a girl, now she is Maggie.

Why not Newwoman?

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:16:18am

re: #506 A Mom Anon

He probably thought Ingraham sounded classier.

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:16:22am

re: #495 jaunte

I love the pants, but it doesn’t match the shirt! I need a pic of the shoes though.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:16:53am

Also, Charles, I keep getting a warning that this site isn’t secure. I’ve logged in an out and used the security software scans on my laptop but it’s still happening. Anyone? Help?

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:16:54am

“Are you ready for a Koch Shirt?”

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:17:12am

re: #506 A Mom Anon

His last name is Koch, yes? Why isn’t he using it?

Maybe he doesn’t like getting punched?

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:17:27am

“Koch Up Your Wardrobe.”

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:18:00am

re: #513 jaunte

I wonder if I am pronouncing his name right?

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:19:43am

re: #512 bill d. (b.d.)

Like he’s ASHAMED of it? Hmmm. Obviously not too proud to take Dad’s money. Maybe his fashion empire keeps him out of trouble. Or at least out of Dad’s business.

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:19:55am
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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:20:04am

or

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Mike Lamb  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:21:04am

re: #499 Barefoot Grin

As federal tax revenues dry up an increasing burden will fall on local govts. In blue states especially, they’ll be hard pressed to raise taxes to meet the need (wealthy communities will be ok, but will still be hit by the limits to SALT deductions). Many communities are already reeling from 2008; this is a sucker punch.

My “favorite” part of the discussion re: screwing with the SALT deductions is the yahoo who said that it would encourage people to lobby their local governments to reduce tax rates.

Great idea…let’s sabotage the federal gov’t AND state and local gov’ts that are being operated effectively.

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:22:16am

“It’s a German name, you pronounce it like “coke.”
“Whatever you say, Mr. Kotch.”

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Kragar  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:23:25am

re: #521 jaunte

Koch suckers, the lot of them.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:23:48am

re: #521 jaunte

“It’s a German name, you pronounce it like “coke.”
“Whatever you say, Mr. Kotch.”

Ed’s the best of the bunch!

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Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:24:21am
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BeachDem  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:26:09am

re: #502 Eclectic Cyborg

Wyatt Koch reminds me of Dennis Nedry.

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I say twin sons of different mothers right here:

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:27:15am

The Only Way Paul Ryan Wins Is if Millions of Americans Lose
The GOP Tax Bill is the culmination of a dark, dangerous dream.

Charles Pierce:
“…Jesus God Almighty, what a fake. His tax bill, his defining generational moment, guarantees that his grandchildren, and those of the president*, and those of the Republican donor class, which is this bill’s only true constituency, never will have to work a day in their lives. The defining generational moment maintains the egregious carried-interest deduction, which every single presidential candidate on both sides of the aisle in 2016 agreed was nothing more than a goodie bag for a singularly non-productive industry that nearly killed the economy entirely.”
esquire.com

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:29:17am
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:30:16am

re: #517 jaunte

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No, it can’t. Grover Norquist has stated he thinks the tax rate should be about 1-2%.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:32:25am

re: #516 The Vicious Babushka

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Wyatt plays tennis? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

ha.

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:39:09am
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Now all our plutocrats need to do is polish up the cloning and consciousness-downloading tech and they’ll be set like Pharaohs.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:39:55am

Koch head “fashion” design

This mode of dress seems to be common casual attire for the rich and filthy and apparently has been for a long time. Many years ago. I happened to meet one of the Amway co-founders at a decadent resort in Puerto Rico (I was there doing survey work on beach erosion). Two things struck me as odd about him: He had not one but two huge and obviously armed bodyguards with him and he was wearing a pair of trousers that were bright red on one side, the left I think, and bright yellow on the other. He looked like a clown. As for the 2 heavies, I didn’t know much about Amway at the time and thought it was strange that a detergent bigwig would need that kind of close protection.
I mean “filthy” literally by the way. A lot of these clowns make a point of not bathing regularly, as though this and their outrageous fashion choices were an attempt to rub the peasants’ noses in the fact that the “chosen” just do not have the same rules as everyone else. There are some zillionaire exceptions, of course. Mark Cuban dresses casually but is always perfectly turned out, and Nick Hanauer is notably businesslike.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:40:13am

re: #491 jaunte

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He looks like a pimp on Sesame Street!

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:40:21am

re: #484 ericblair

I think the individual mandate’s importance was always overrated in actual practice. The analysis assumes that people are Homo Economicus, coldly calculating every move for maximum personal advantage. That way, they’d go without insurance until they needed it, and then pile on when they’re sick and insurers can’t deny them, leading to a death spiral. In practice, people value security a lot and routinely overinsure themselves. It needs to be reinstated, but it’s not the end of Obamacare.

Fuckface obviously thinks that the mandate penalty somehow finances ACA, and he pulled one over on everyone by not mentioning it (because of course nobody else would notice). I hate that asshole so much.

One effect of the mandate was that it got people on the exchanges, where many of them found out they qualified for low, subsidized premiums or Medicaid. Now many of those people won’t go to the exchanges (especially since Trump is trying to keep them from even knowing when the enrollment window is), so they won’t get enrolled into affordable insurance. The Republicans are primarily screwing their own voters, because premiums will rise for people who make too much money to be subsidized, especially in rural areas. People who qualify for subsidies or Medicaid and get on the exchanges will do fine.

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Belafon  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:42:30am

re: #397 Citizen K

My fear there is two-fold

1) Who knows if/when we’ll get a Congress that will actually allow this, knowing the GOP’s penchant for intractable obstruction, and the media’s willingness to pretend it’s SOP when they scream bloody murder about one single Dem filibuster.

2) Even if we manage to get this, it’s almost only a matter of time before the electorate gets its usual amnesia, pretends Dems are to blame for all ills yet again and give the GOP insurmountable majorities again to fix ‘the Democrat’s problems’. Because that’s how it always seem to fucking work in this fucking country.

1. We have to keep up the fight through 2020 at a minimum.
2. We just need to solve the problems and not worry how people we can’t control will act.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:42:37am

re: #535 Joe Bacon 🌹

He looks like a pimp on Sesame Street!

Attention Pizzagaters! This is the droid you’re looking for!

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:44:56am

re: #534 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

A lot of rich people have more security than they need because they think it makes them look important. It’s also handy if you like to drink too much and do stupid shit, to keep press and even police at arm’s length.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:46:44am

re: #537 Belafon

1. We have to keep up the fight through 2020 at a minimum.
2. We just need to solve the problems and not worry how people we can’t control will act.

It is true that after the Democrats have power and fix some of the problems the GOP creates, the GOP will regain power again to do more damage. But some progress sets in, as much as the GOP hates it. For example, they failed to repeal Obamacare, which will continue to insure millions of sick and low income Americans, and they will fail in their attempts to reform gut Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid because with their Senate majority reduced to 51, they just don’t have the votes (and probably didn’t even before Jones’ victory).

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:49:07am

re: #536 Big Beautiful Door

One thing I will say though is that the phone calls have been relentless.Also, places like WalMart and Costco have actual humans parked at the front of stores to help people sign up. I’m in GA, and this was in place back in September. So there are people who took advantage of the help offered. Gives me a bit of hope.

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:53:58am

re: #533 jaunte

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Now all our plutocrats need to do is polish up the cloning and consciousness-downloading tech and they’ll be set like Pharaohs.

“that had been frozen for 24 years”

is that why she’s wearing mittens?

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gocart mozart  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:56:01am

re: #533 jaunte

This may finally kill the rule against perpetuities

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:13:16pm

re: #533 jaunte

A Tennessee couple welcomed a baby girl who grew from an embryo that had been frozen for 24 years

24? Already too old for Roy Moore.


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