So Today, the Republican Party Stole the Future of America

With a bill conceived in secret and rushed through both houses of Congress with no debate or review, the Republican Party has now set the American economy on a fast track to ruin: House Passes Tax Bill (Again), Sends To Trump To Sign Into Law.

And they’re still lying about it publicly, telling the public it’s going to be just wonderful for the little guy.

It isn’t.

In reality, it’s a massive handout to corporations and the super-wealthy (especially Donald Trump and his wretched family of crooks) at the expense of the middle class and the poor. It will add $1.4 trillion to the US debt over 10 years, and trigger huge cuts to Social Security and Medicare. It’s a half-baked, fully evil rehash of every bad and debunked Republican idea about the economy from the last 100 years, and unless it can be reversed somehow it’s going to be a disaster on scale we’ve never seen before.

It’s the biggest right wing scam ever pulled on the American public, and the GOP went ahead with it even though a majority of their own constituents were opposed to it. This was a sort of coup, staged in the dead of night by gloating villains with open contempt for the democratic process they claim to revere.

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:45:42am
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jaunte  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:46:23am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:46:50am

I just noticed I have 369 followers on Twitter. That’s a nice number sequence.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:48:08am

re: #1 jaunte

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Kragar  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:50:22am
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:50:25am

The GOP is going to pay dearly for this in the mid-terms. When they can lose in Alabama, there isn’t a seat anywhere in the country that is completely safe for them. Which means a lot of marginally GOP leaning districts are going to go blue next year.

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Weaselone  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:51:05am

re: #2 jaunte

Don’t forget, the foreign owner’s tax break is permanent.

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VegasGolfer  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:52:02am

washingtonpost.com

Court tosses out one-vote victory in recount that had briefly ended a Republican majority in Virginia

LMAO, this country.

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ipsos  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:53:33am

I am increasingly convinced that the biggest winning point we can make in this argument is the part about the individual tax cuts expiring in 2025 and the corporate cuts remaining permanent.

It’s so craven and so obviously shitty for the little guy that it seems to me that it goes a very long way toward negating any of the “hey, the average family saves 2400 bucks a year” stuff.

And I think it helps that tax time in April will unleash a whole new fresh round of “what’s really IN that bill that they were celebrating last December,” just as memories start to fade.

There’s nothing in this hastily-written shit sandwich of a bill that will help the GOP cause with individual voters in the long run. As long as we’re prepared to play the long game, too, I think we’re in decent shape here.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:54:46am

Merry Fucking Christmas, America.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:56:32am

All so their donors will keep on funding their campaigns. Another reason why the Citizens United decision sucks. It makes elected officials beholden to donors not voters.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:56:51am

re: #9 ipsos

I agree with that. I think the net neutrality thing, when/if enacted will help get younger people especially off their behinds and to the polls too. The good thing about so much bad shit happening is that we do not have to hang our hats on any one thing. They’re so awful that we can pick damned near anything they’ve done, are doing or are planning on doing and run with that.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:57:33am

re: #9 ipsos

I am increasingly convinced that the biggest winning point we can make in this argument is the part about the individual tax cuts expiring in 2025 and the corporate cuts remaining permanent.

It’s so craven and so obviously shitty for the little guy that it seems to me that it goes a very long way toward negating any of the “hey, the average family saves 2400 bucks a year” stuff.

And I think it helps that tax time in April will unleash a whole new fresh round of “what’s really IN that bill that they were celebrating last December,” just as memories start to fade.

There’s nothing in this hastily-written shit sandwich of a bill that will help the GOP cause with individual voters in the long run. As long as we’re prepared to play the long game, too, I think we’re in decent shape here.

Agree, go with that. Point out clearly that the GOP prefer corporations over people.

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:57:53am

re: #5 Kragar

292.00 a month back in tax money to me is a great gift. Thanks POTUS

you’re looking at one line on your personal budget and ignoring all the rest

bozo

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:58:16am

re: #5 Kragar

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James really believes he’s going to get $292 a month?

What a sucker.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:59:27am

re: #12 A Mom Anon

I agree with that. I think the net neutrality thing, when/if enacted will help get younger people especially off their behinds and to the polls too. The good thing about so much bad shit happening is that we do not have to hang our hats on any one thing. They’re so awful that we can pick damned near anything they’ve done, are doing or are planning on doing and run with that.

Yeah the NN thing is huge. I didn’t really understand the issue that well until my brother explained it to me which I then explained to my boss at the firm and his son explained it to him too. A small minority of people are buying the free market bs that Pai sold but not manyz

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Kragar  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:59:52am

ICYMI The GOP Tax plan is being called the beginning of a Trade War by our allies

dw.com

Last week, the finance ministers of Europe’s five biggest economies — Germany, France, the UK, Spain and Italy — wrote an anxious letter to their American colleague, US Treasury Secretary Stephen Mnuchin, and copied it to all senior Republican politicians in the Congress and Senate.

The letter’s thrust: The draft US tax bill, if passed as written a week ago, would represent a break with global fair-taxation rules as applied to corporations, and represent a thinly disguised form of trade war.

“The United States is Europe’s single most important trade and investment partner,” the finance ministers wrote. “It is important that the U.S. government’s rights over domestic tax policy be exercised in a way that adheres with international obligations to which it has signed-up. The inclusion of certain less conventional international tax provisions could contravene the US’s double taxation treaties and may risk having a major distortive impact on international trade.”

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ipsos  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:00:10pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Agree, go with that. Point out clearly that the GOP prefer corporations over people.

And like Mom says in her #12, there are so many things right now that can all come together to motivate voters. For instance: the way the tax bill shafts Puerto Rico ought to be a great motivator to bring that vote out in a lot of states where it can make a difference. If we’re not making sure every refugee who comes from PR to the mainland is getting registered the moment their feet hit the soil, we should be, because they WILL be motivated to vote against the party they know is screwing their families back home.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:00:49pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

And so they can line their pockets. And do we really know where all that PAC money goes? For people who only work about a third of the year (if you call what they do even working) they sure seem to have a shit ton of money. I’m in the wrong business. I would love to run for office, but I have no experience and I know that not just me but my whole family would be trashed. We’re not clean as the driven snow, lol. Plus, about the first stupid GOP operative shit would have me telling someone to go fuck themselves with rusty farm implements and there would be the end of my career.

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sizzzzlerz  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:01:28pm

I wish I could hate these motherfuckers more than I do right now but I’m maxxed out. I coulndn’t fit another dollop of hatred in, even if were wafer-thin. I’ve wondered what it would be like to be at a point in history where this country starts eating itself. I think I now know.

Goddamn bastards!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:04:17pm

I hate the GOP politicians but I have as much disgust for the people who vote them in time and time again. Trickle down economics is a lie and sham.

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Kragar  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:06:01pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:06:44pm

re: #17 Kragar

ICYMI The GOP Tax plan is being called the beginning of a Trade War by our allies

dw.com

right. a global race to the bottom. lock and load.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:07:18pm

re: #22 Kragar

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It’s good we are on the offensive. Make Republicans defend the bill and I think they’ll crumble.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:07:45pm

re: #22 Kragar

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:07:58pm
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Romantic Heretic  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:08:19pm

There’s that damn song in my head again.

La Marseillaise - Edith Piaf

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Interesting Times  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:08:29pm

Yes, the reply to Joy below likely comes from a Berner, but he’s definitely got a point:

Since the GOP has crapped all over the concept of “bipartisanship” over and over again, and their giving Obama the finger (*cough* Garland *cough*) resulted in only wins, it’s high time the Dems learned to fight fire with fire and ditch incrementalism, nuance, and compromise with GOPers (nowadays, the equivalent of negotiating with terrorists).

As I’ve said repeatedly, low-info voters respond to flash-bang showmanship and big, sweeping ideas. The fastest way to lose their respect and their vote is to come across as a wuss incapable of fighting for or standing up for what you believe in.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:08:47pm

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reidr  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:12:26pm

This press conference at the WH is so disgusting. A bunch of idiots detached from reality and just so, so happy that they got a “win”.

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Interesting Times  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:13:56pm

re: #28 Interesting Times

And if you think only Berners and “puritopians” feel this way, see this tweet from one of Obama’s most loyal supporters:

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Kilroy was here  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:14:20pm

For anyone needing a laugh today…

How to Take Out AT-ATs - EASY METHOD EXPLAINED!!

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:16:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:18:24pm
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ckkatz  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:19:51pm

They’re stripping the country and selling it overseas for parts. <*sigh*>

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:21:39pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

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While in the US we debate whether to force utilities to subsidize coal fired plants in order to keep them open in the name of “reliability.”

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:23:21pm

re: #31 Interesting Times

OK. No Democrats voted for this stinking mess. So I’m not sure where that came from. I think, and this is just me, that the job of Democrats is to push those “imperfect” Democrats in more progressive ways. And we do that by talking to them, without being screaming loons, give them stuff to work with. Change has ALWAYS been incremental in this country, everything is a fight. Accomplishing anything means fighting not just hard, but SMART.

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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:24:01pm

re: #12 A Mom Anon

I agree with that. I think the net neutrality thing, when/if enacted will help get younger people especially off their behinds and to the polls too. The good thing about so much bad shit happening is that we do not have to hang our hats on any one thing. They’re so awful that we can pick damned near anything they’ve done, are doing or are planning on doing and run with that.

I don’t know how fast companies will turn around and screw over consumers. They know NN is a big deal. I think they will start small and increase as time goes by to lessen the blow and hope people don’t notice.

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lawhawk  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:24:19pm
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calochortus  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:24:34pm

re: #36 Big Beautiful Door

While in the US we debate whether to force utilities to subsidize coal fired plants in order to keep them open in the name of “reliability.”

Shall we talk about the time when we lived in PA and during some very cold weather had rolling blackouts because the big pile of coal that fired the power plant froze together so they couldn’t adequately fire the plant?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:24:41pm

Here is a concrete idea: Demographics, location, etc means our family will probably get several hundred dollars net gain from this bajour. As I did with an election-year bribe by GWB, I intend to give it to the Opposition. That’s specifically a share between my pledged Alabama lady (running against Martha Roby) and this guy (running against Paul Ryan).

randybryceforcongress.com

Turn their own treachery against them.

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danarchy  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:26:35pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good for France, but not too much of a sacrifice, their oil production is only like 16400 barrels a day which puts them behind Suriname in the list of oil producers, and they are still allowing decades to scale that down to zero. In comparison Russia, Saudi Arabia and the US combine for over 30 million barrels a day.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:27:37pm

re: #35 ckkatz

They’re stripping the country and selling it overseas for parts. <*sigh*>

Best analogy I’ve heard all day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:28:13pm
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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:28:38pm
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reidr  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:29:02pm

re: #41 Decatur Deb

Ryan is such a smug douche. I need to donate to Bryce. Please tell me there’s a chance he could win.

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Interesting Times  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:30:45pm

re: #37 A Mom Anon

OK. No Democrats voted for this stinking mess. So I’m not sure where that came from.

I think she’s upset over rumors that Dems might sell out DREAMers/CHIP recipients in the budget/gov-shutdown mess:

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:32:39pm

re: #46 reidr

Ryan is such a smug douche. I need to donate to Bryce. Please tell me there’s a chance he could win.

Dunno. It’s going to be a very strange election year, and I once figured Doug Jones at 1 in 40. If A better candidate primaries IronStache out, I’ll donate to him or her. (Daughter1 would be pissed. She’s developed a mommycrush on IS.)

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:33:09pm
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calochortus  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:33:36pm

re: #47 Interesting Times

Someone called in to my public radio station this morning and in the lead-up to her specific question about the tax bill, blamed Nancy Pelosi for not blocking it.
Not sure quite how she thought that worked.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:33:51pm

re: #49 JordanRules

Hands up, don’t shoot?

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:33:54pm

re: #28 Interesting Times

Yes, the reply to Joy below likely comes from a Berner, but he’s definitely got a point:

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Since the GOP has crapped all over the concept of “bipartisanship” over and over again, and their giving Obama the finger (*cough* Garland *cough*) resulted in only wins, it’s high time the Dems learned to fight fire with fire and ditch incrementalism, nuance, and compromise with GOPers (nowadays, the equivalent of negotiating with terrorists).

As I’ve said repeatedly, low-info voters respond to flash-bang showmanship and big, sweeping ideas. The fastest way to lose their respect and their vote is to come across as a wuss incapable of fighting for or standing up for what you believe in.

Seems everyone’s forgotten that the Democratic filibuster-proof majority only lasted four months. After that (and before, too) the Repugs voted as a unit against everything the Democrats proposed.

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Interesting Times  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:34:11pm

re: #46 reidr

Ryan is such a smug douche. I need to donate to Bryce. Please tell me there’s a chance he could win.

Speaking of donations…

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Old Liberal  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:34:38pm

I remember asking my dad back in 1965, when I was 10 years old, why the labor unions and black people were in the same party, because it was clear to me even then that white working class people were racists. I lived in Milwaukee in the 1980s, and was appalled to see the open racism practiced by the majority of white people, most of whom moved out to the infamous conservative bastion called Waukesha County. I believe that the loss of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio in the last election is a direct reflection of white racism. I thought they would die out, but they don’t, they keep making replacements. The inability to meaningfully integrate in this country is our Achilles’ heel. As long as the plutocrats can exploit white racism, and we have a two party system, we are in danger of fascism.

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gocart mozart  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:35:36pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:35:53pm

re: #47 Interesting Times

I think she’s upset over rumors that Dems might sell out DREAMers/CHIP recipients in the budget/gov-shutdown mess:

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538 has Democrats up more than twelve points on the generic ballot. The Democrats support has soared to nearly 50% in the last few days. The people are disgusted by the GOP’s smash and grab.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:37:10pm

re: #49 JordanRules

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Another GOP sexual predator goes down.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:37:34pm

Amidst all the Bentleys, Ferraris, and Corvettes for sale at Hemmings we find this under “unspecified” make:

1968 Unspecified Belly Tank

This Corsair A7 drop tank was expertly crafted into what’s probably the coolest trailer on the road

It has functioning brake and turn signals, and rides on 7.00-16 Firestone Deluxe Champions tied in to TA1000 torsional stub axles.

Tows great empty or loaded. Cutaway pieces from the top are included if the next owner wants them, could look neat hinged?

The trailer was originally modified to haul a small motorcycle, a photo is included that shows the interior dimensions as a guide for whatever you choose to do with it!
Price: $2,750 obo

Price is a bit steep but it needs only a Microturbo engine, a front axle and steering, and a bubble canopy for a roadable Wile E. Coyote Acme-car.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:40:42pm

re: #58 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Amidst all the Bentleys, Ferraris, and Corvettes for sale at Hemmings we find this under “unspecified” make:

1968 Unspecified Belly Tank

Price is a bit steep but it needs only a Microturbo engine, a front axle and steering, and a bubble canopy for a roadable Wile E. Coyote replica.

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would make a most excellent motorcycle sidecar.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:40:59pm

re: #47 Interesting Times

I think she’s upset over rumors that Dems might sell out DREAMers/CHIP recipients in the budget/gov-shutdown mess:

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Seems helpful…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:42:18pm
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Interesting Times  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:42:57pm

re: #50 calochortus

Someone called in to my public radio station this morning and in the lead-up to her specific question about the tax bill, blamed Nancy Pelosi for not blocking it.
Not sure quite how she thought that worked.

See what I mean about low-info voters? -_-

The only solution to that sort of woeful ignorance is a sustained, aggressive, fuck-the-both-siderist-media-in-the-earholes campaign to talk to those voters directly. Much as I hate to admit it, Cheeto Benito does have a point about using social media to “bypass fake news” - there are communication tools available now that weren’t nearly so prevalent in Obama’s early days, plus good-old-fashioned boots-on-ground canvassing (isn’t this how Doug Jones was able to turn out so many voters, despite a woeful lack of existing infrastructure?)

And again, simple messaging is what works best - “We couldn’t block the tax scam because there were too many of them and too few of us. Elect more Dems to overturn the GOP tax scam and replace it [plan goes here]”

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gocart mozart  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:44:31pm
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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:45:36pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

A soundbite of Mitch McConnell recorded today sounds like its from the 1940s.

Ezra Pound?
“During World War II, he was paid by the Italian government to make hundreds of radio broadcasts criticizing the United States, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Jews, as a result of which he was arrested in 1945 by American forces in Italy on charges of treason.”

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Interesting Times  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:47:05pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

“A soundbite of Mitch McConnell recorded today sounds like its from the 1940s.”

Did it sound better in the original German?

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:50:09pm

re: #26 JordanRules

Heaven doesn’t value what you have, but what you give.

since you cant take it with you, now you can leave it to your spawn

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:51:21pm
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Kragar  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:53:45pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:54:33pm

re: #67 JordanRules

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In other words, CHIP is dead.

But don’t worry, I’m sure the churches will step in to take care of sick kids with bake sales and bingos!

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lawhawk  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:55:14pm

This scam will hit the middle class hard - whether they realize it or not (and many don’t understand that the temporary benefit will disappear once they understand that their health coverage just got wrecked, their premiums will go up, and their costs will increase).

Oh, and then there’s the spillover effect at the state and local level. Many states follow federal law on taxes, so without changes, starting in 2018 these states may see significant reductions in revenues thanks to the GOP scam. That means the states will either have to enact decoupling legislation, or else watch their revenues disappear. High tax states like NY, NJ, and CA, which are huge economic generators for the nation are likely to see economic slowdowns as their middle class taxpayers are hard hit thanks to the reduction of SALT, mortgage interest, and other deductions so millionaires can get permanent cuts.

The GOP also thinks that this will create jobs. That’s bullshit. Unemployment is at 4.1% nationally. That’s pretty much full employment. There aren’t new jobs to be created.

Corporations are sitting on cash - and using it for stock buybacks and dividends, not for hiring new workers or raising wages. This scam doesn’t encourage more hiring or wage increases.

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:55:27pm

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

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i remember a “tiger” comic strip from when i was much much younger - i couldnt find it online.
more or less:

“what are taxes?”
“taxes are money people pay to the government so it can buy things for us”
“why dont the people just buy things themselves?”
“eat your cereal”

not really apropos. still you dont come across many tax jokes (till recently)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:56:39pm

re: #68 Kragar

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:57:13pm

re: #36 Big Beautiful Door

While in the US we debate whether to force utilities to subsidize coal fired plants in order to keep them open in the name of “reliability.”

when china’s phasing out coal and you’re not…..

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Interesting Times  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:58:33pm

re: #56 Big Beautiful Door

538 has Democrats up more than twelve points on the generic ballot. The Democrats support has soared to nearly 50% in the last few days. The people are disgusted by the GOP’s smash and grab.

All well and good, but remember how, after the GOPer shutdown in 2013, Dems had a similar (though not nearly as large) advantage on the generic ballot? And we all know what happened to it by the time the 2014 midterms came around -_-

Now, as far as I recall, much of that was due to ACA website woes, and the burgeoning “Black Lives Matter” movement helping to galvanize the white fragility vote…and downballot Dems running away from Obama/the ACA didn’t exactly help matters either.

So…to avoid yet another “snatch defeat from the jaws of victory” fiasco, it’s imperative for Dems to stick with the kind of bold, defiant messaging we’re seeing from people like Ted Lieu, Elizabeth Warren, etc. And if a gov shutdown *does* happen, hang it ALL on the heads of GOPers. The beltway bothsiderist bobble-headed shitwits will of course try to blame it all on Dems for not being “bipartisan”, but again, all the Dems can do in the face of that hostile media is speak to the voters directly and pushback, pushback, pushback. I do believe the stranglehold that MSM both-siderists have had for so long is finally beginning to wane due to the rise of social media (a double-edged sword to be sure)

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:59:28pm

More from Hemmings. Just in case you don’t think the combination of wealth and bad taste has bottomed out yet, Celebrity Cars of Vegas is offering the actual Tupac Shakur death car for sale.
1996 BMW Sedan

This 1996 BMW 7 Series 4dr Tupac Shakur features a 5.4L 12 CYLINDER 12cyl Gasoline engine. It is equipped with a 5 Speed Automatic transmission. The vehicle is Black with a Black Leather interior. It is offered As-Is, not covered by a warranty. - Leather Interior Surface, This is the actual car that Tupac Shakur was shot while riding in after a Fight at the MGM in Las Vegas. It was driven by Suge Knight and originally leased by Death Row Records. Price: $1,500,000

This is probably a hundred times what this car would normally sell for.

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makeitstop  Dec 20, 2017 • 12:59:29pm

‘…an angry mob isn’t a flock of sheep. It’s a pack of wolves.’

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:00:09pm

re: #47 Interesting Times

I get that, but Democrats have to be in a majority to get this kind of thing done, and more importantly craft legislation/policy that will be difficult to take away from people because it’s working and popular. All governmental policy and law is incremental, I think a lot of people are tired, they want it all right now and if they can’t have that, then they want to get rid of politicians they view as a blockade. Unless you work in that State house or City Council or Congressional Office, it’s hard to gauge the amount of crap it takes to get the smallest thing done. Some stuff is easy, most stuff isn’t. It doesn’t matter who is elected with the best of intentions and heart, the same obstacles and procedures and mind numbing bureaucratic nonsense is still there. Not to mention, you know, dirty, corrupt and mean opposition. And campaigns, and staff, and fundraising and managing that staff somehow. And the media, both for the good and bad. You can raise your voice, protest, even GOTV, but the thing is, at the end of it all, you still have to deal with the same stuff the people you want gone were dealing with. Progress comes when the people can come together and work smart and that starts with forming alliances and coalitions with concrete plans with specific goals. Step by crooked step.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:01:52pm

What the fuck does SHS know about being a struggling single mom?

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makeitstop  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:02:25pm

Did that Warner announcement happen yet?

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calochortus  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:03:24pm

So, I’m hearing talk that Trump might not sign the bill until next year so they won’t have to deal with the Pay/Go thing right before the midterms. But I thought that a president only had 10 days to sit on a bill without it becoming law without a signature. Wouldn’t that still put the passage in 2017 and thus be the same as it being signed? Or can Congress delay a couple days in sending it to him?

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:04:41pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

More from Hemmings. Just in case you don’t think the combination of wealth and bad taste has bottomed out yet, Celebrity Cars of Vegas is offering the actual Tupac Shakur death car for sale.
1996 BMW Sedan

This is probably a hundred times what this car would normally sell for.

Autotrader shows it in the $3-4.5k range, so 1.5m is closer to about 350 times it’s normal value.

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makeitstop  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:05:15pm

re: #79 makeitstop

Did that Warner announcement happen yet?

Never mind. Not until 4:30.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:05:43pm

re: #79 makeitstop

Did that Warner announcement happen yet?

4:30. I gotta go to a reception, but will come back later for the LGF take.

btw:

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:06:25pm

re: #77 A Mom Anon

this is very, very good.

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sagehen  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:06:35pm

re: #80 calochortus

So, I’m hearing talk that Trump might not sign the bill until next year so they won’t have to deal with the Pay/Go thing right before the midterms. But I thought that a president only had 10 days to sit on a bill without it becoming law without a signature. Wouldn’t that still put the passage in 2017 and thus be the same as it being signed? Or can Congress delay a couple days in sending it to him?

Is that ten calendar days, or ten business days?

Ten business days definitely puts us into 2018.

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:07:42pm

re: #80 calochortus

So, I’m hearing talk that Trump might not sign the bill until next year so they won’t have to deal with the Pay/Go thing right before the midterms. But I thought that a president only had 10 days to sit on a bill without it becoming law without a signature. Wouldn’t that still put the passage in 2017 and thus be the same as it being signed? Or can Congress delay a couple days in sending it to him?

if he does that, i think, that’s it for 2018 reconciliations bills
i think they have plans to do something else heinous next year and need the 50+1 capability again

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calochortus  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:08:33pm

re: #85 sagehen

Is that ten calendar days, or ten business days?

Ten business days definitely puts us into 2018.

That’s the part I don’t know about.

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:09:00pm

re: #85 sagehen

Is that ten calendar days, or ten business days?

Ten business days definitely puts us into 2018.

Ten days, excluding Sundays, from when it is presented to the president. So being presented today gives a deadline of Jan 1. Of course, if Congress is still in session, it becomes a law no matter what. But then Trump doesn’t get his pomp and circumstance moment.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:09:03pm
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petesh  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:09:26pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Agree, go with that. Point out clearly that the GOP prefer corporations over people.

Corporations are people, my friend, very rich people. Tax ‘em till they squeal.

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petesh  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:10:50pm

re: #63 gocart mozart

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Video

There is no day so bad that Bo Diddley cannot improve my mood.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:12:17pm

re: #84 dangerman

Thank you. I just hate seeing that sort of passion turn into white hot anger which gets nothing done, and can actually hurt progress. It’s OK to be pissed, hell, I spend a fair portion of time pissed off, especially when I see people being hurt by just meanstupidevil shit. But that level of pissed off can burn you out and it alienates people you could be turning into allies. It only makes the path forward harder.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:13:29pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

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Stanley Sea  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:13:45pm

Has this been posted?

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:15:41pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

Ooooh I like this. I don’t think people really get how rich these bullshit artists are. Oh, they play all nice and folksy and just-like-you, but in private they’re looking down their noses at us and hate us for even being where they have to look at us. They hold us in contempt. It’s time the true way these “champions of the people” live was made more of.

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sagehen  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:16:45pm

re: #90 petesh

Corporations are people, my friend, very rich people. Tax ‘em till they squeal.

Not sure where I got this quote, but:

“I’ll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.”

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Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:16:49pm

Steve Scalise is “braver than all of us?”

Getting shot makes him “brave?”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:18:08pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

Steve Scalise is “braver than all of us?”

Getting shot makes him “brave?”

Well by that logic unarmed black men and a whole bunch of Las Vegas concert goes, among numerous others, are the bravest people in the country.

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makeitstop  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:21:23pm

For those who plan to watch, here’s a link to live stream of Warner’s speech.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:21:57pm

re: #98 Eclectic Cyborg

Well by that logic unarmed black men and a whole bunch of Las Vegas concert goes, among numerous others, are the bravest people in the country.

Sonny Corleone is practically Joan of Arc.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:22:05pm
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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:25:52pm

Lolwut!

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:26:34pm

I was in the produce department in the Foodarama earlier wearing my “Nah” - Rosa Parks t-shirt. Older black woman did a double-take when she noticed it, kinda raised her eyebrows, looked at me. I said, “Sistas are saving our sad white asses at the voting booth these days. It’s my favorite t-shirt!” She lost it, laughing her ass off. We fist-bumped over the tomatoes and continued our shopping together, chatting, exchanged phone numbers.

I made a new friend. :)

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petesh  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:27:55pm

re: #102 JordanRules

Lolwut!

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Of course, the Apollo mission was priva… well, NASA is a comp… Sheesh

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whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:28:59pm

re: #58 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Amidst all the Bentleys, Ferraris, and Corvettes for sale at Hemmings we find this under “unspecified” make:

1968 Unspecified Belly Tank

Price is a bit steep but it needs only a Microturbo engine, a front axle and steering, and a bubble canopy for a roadable Wile E. Coyote Acme-car.

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Not recommended for motorists with complexions darker than a standard untreated pine two-by-four.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:29:29pm

re: #99 makeitstop

For those who plan to watch, here’s a link to live stream of Warner’s speech.

That site bombarded me with a bunch of scam ads.

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danarchy  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:29:32pm

re: #104 petesh

Of course, the Apollo mission was priva… well, NASA is a comp… Sheesh

I think he was trying to reference SpaceX’s reusable rockets. Of course a lot of the tech behind that was pioneered by NASA too.

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:29:58pm

re: #91 petesh

There is no day so bad that Bo Diddley cannot improve my mood.

fritos corn chips too

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makeitstop  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:30:42pm

re: #106 Eclectic Cyborg

That site bombarded me with a bunch of scam ads.

Weird, I didn’t get anything. My ad blocker must be working. :)

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makeitstop  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:31:31pm

Warner’s up.

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:32:45pm

re: #102 JordanRules

Lolwut!

And yes, a lot is with government money, but the key ingredient has been private sector-led disruption of the status quo. Government could never build a rocket that lands from end to end.

probably neither could musk if he didnt have 60 years of nasa history to stand on

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makeitstop  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:33:00pm

Calling out Fox. Not by name.

Calling out Conway. Not by name.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:36:07pm
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Kragar  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:38:58pm
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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:40:07pm

re: #102 JordanRules

Lolwut!

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DC-X, Delta Clipper Experimental test flight

Watch what it starts doing around 2:30.

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darthstar  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:41:17pm

It being a WFH day I should do what I enjoy most on WFH days…take a two hour break and watch an on-demand movie.

I did, however, take a half hour this morning to test out my new board…very windy in the harbor and I’ve got some extra pounds right now, so I was happy to not fall into the water. I am hoping to teach Merle to surf over the winter. And look, the board matches him.

Banjo looks good on it as well.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:41:41pm
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Kragar  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:42:18pm
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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:45:37pm
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whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:48:06pm

re: #91 petesh

There is no day so bad that Bo Diddley cannot improve my mood.

Many fine distillers make products that enhance even the Bo Diddley listening experience. These days, right now in fact, I’m employing Bacardi Gold. This has the added benefit of helping Puerto Rico, and thus indirectly pissing on Trump. Oh wait …

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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:48:44pm

Two threads. Read each one.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:52:25pm

re: #114 Kragar

I made the mistake of clicking on this earlier via Facebook and looking at the comments. People really are calling The Onion “Fake News” and being outraged that Democrats would say such things and LIE about Paul Ryan. Never. Read. The. Comments. It saps you of your will to live.

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petesh  Dec 20, 2017 • 1:54:25pm

re: #122 A Mom Anon

I made the mistake of clicking on this earlier via Facebook and looking at the comments. People really are calling The Onion “Fake News” and being outraged that Democrats would say such things and LIE about Paul Ryan. Never. Read. The. Comments. It saps you of your will to live.

Well, it is! /s Satire passed away in a suicide pact with irony some months back,

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Skip Intro  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:01:18pm

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:02:32pm

The GOP just gave more money to Scrooge and told Bob Cratchit to Fuck off.

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Interesting Times  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:03:49pm

Some good news - hope it balloons into an all-engulfing scandal and bankrupts them:

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Mike Lamb  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:04:02pm

The Warner statement is at least a piece of good news.

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whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:04:22pm

re: #125 Eclectic Cyborg

The GOP just gave more money to Scrooge and told Bob Cratchit to Fuck off.

Which is nothing compared to what they’re gonna do to Tiny Tim.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:04:38pm

Yeah, this is turning out pretty much exactly as I suspected. When Trump and his merry band of con men won the Electoral College I immediately thought that passing a tax cut for the wealthiest would happen in the first year. Well, here we are.

The sorriest part about it is that once again it will be up to the Democrats to play adult in a few short years. As they win more seats and the Presidency and the euphoric give-away to the wealthy meets Reality, the middle class tax cuts expiring, the deficit ballooning once again, the Dems will get the blame from scared white old voters …. Just like last time.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:09:59pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

Steve Scalise is “braver than all of us?”

Getting shot makes him “brave?”

Getting shot and still wanting madmen to have access to guns.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:10:03pm

re: #129 Rocky-in-Connecticut

This wouldn’t keep happening over and over if Dems fought back and called bullshit on it. The groundwork for that should be laid NOW.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:12:00pm

re: #131 A Mom Anon

Yes it would because it’s not about economic anxiety.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:12:56pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:12:58pm

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:13:23pm

re: #126 Interesting Times

Some good news - hope it balloons into an all-engulfing scandal and bankrupts them:

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Man, I never knew David Zucker was such a dick.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:19:46pm

This is the only takeaway I had.

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nines09  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:20:34pm

Republican porn

crooksandliars.com

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:21:39pm
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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:23:32pm

Eww.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:24:23pm

re: #136 JordanRules

This is the only takeaway I had.

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And now that I think about it, it’s interesting that he makes the speech just after passage of the TaxScam. Signaling that Congresspeople are free to speak out now that they’ve got one of the major things they needed Trump for in the rearview…

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:27:31pm

re: #140 Mike Lamb

Well damn! Great point.

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petesh  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:29:50pm

re: #140 Mike Lamb

And now that I think about it, it’s interesting that he makes the speech just after passage of the TaxScam. Signaling that Congresspeople are free to speak out now that they’ve got one of the major things they needed Trump for in the rearview…

Wait, isn’t Warner a Democrat? There isn’t another one right now, is there? I suspect that he is indeed pushing that line in the hopes of getting Rs to agree now they are feeling fat and happy. I’m not convinced that agreement will come until the indictments are handed down, and possibly not then.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:30:56pm

re: #142 petesh

Yes, Warner is a Democrat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:32:33pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:35:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:36:19pm

BOOM!!!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:36:52pm

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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So why was she exchanging emails with Don Jr.?

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makeitstop  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:37:47pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

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‘Substance abuse rehabilitation?’

What kind of freak show are they running over there?

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:39:55pm

re: #148 makeitstop

‘Substance abuse rehabilitation?’

What kind of freak show are they running over there?

“Substance abuse rehabilitation” is one of those things that white guys get when they’re caught doing something they aren’t supposed to be doing.

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whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:43:48pm

re: #148 makeitstop

‘Substance abuse rehabilitation?’

What kind of freak show are they running over there?

Plus, “He will receive training designed to improve his workplace conduct” has a pretty weird Orwellian, or maybe Clockwork Orange, ring to it.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:45:01pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:45:06pm

re: #136 JordanRules

This is the only takeaway I had.

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What it tells me is that the rumors are true, in the next few days Donny’s gonna make a run at firing Mueller.

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petesh  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:48:33pm

re: #152 Targetpractice

What it tells me is that the rumors are true, in the next few days Donny’s gonna make a run at firing Mueller.

I agree, with the caveat that Warner may be trying to head off the firing by stressing the partisan nature of the proceedings. Could be an exciting Christmas!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:49:01pm

Trump will go after Mueller next week, after Christmas. Fucker is totally emboldened by this tax bullshit and thinks he’s God.

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:51:09pm

re: #152 Targetpractice

What it tells me is that the rumors are true, in the next few days Donny’s gonna make a run at firing Mueller.

If Stupid Watergate gives us Saturday Night Massacre II: The Trumpening, I wonder if the Congressional GOP will do what their forebearers did? I mean, they’ve got their tax cut, so can they cut their patsy loose?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:51:23pm

So in other words, today, the Republicans finally admitted that they feel beholden to no one. They don’t give a shit about their constituents - a majority of Americans oppose the tax bill - they only care about themselves. And they know they can get away with it because, even though the people that vote for them hate the tax bill, they hate Democrats even more. Ah, partisan politics, what thou hast wrought. Fuck our lives.

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makeitstop  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:51:51pm

re: #154 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump will go after Mueller next week, after Christmas. Fucker is totally emboldened by this tax bullshit and thinks he’s God.

I’d bet that Mueller already has a contingency plan in place.

Trump’s handling of Russia has been Amateur Night in Dixie from start to finish.

And firing Mueller would be pretty much the dumbest move he could make.

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Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:51:52pm

re: #153 petesh

I agree, with the caveat that Warner may be trying to head off the firing by stressing the partisan nature of the proceedings. Could be an exciting Christmas!

What could fuck up Trump’s plans is we’re just 2 days from a government shutdown unless the GOP can pass a CR. And word is the DNC won’t go along with that without either inclusion of subsidies for the ACA or passage of bills for such. And the Freedom Caucus is (of course) squealing like mad that if that happens, they’re pulling their own votes and the party will have go against its “principles,” blah, blah, blah.

So yeah, the next few days are going to be interesting in the “Chinese curse” fashion.

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ipsos  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:53:39pm

re: #154 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump will go after Mueller next week, after Christmas. Fucker is totally emboldened by this tax bullshit and thinks he’s God.

They overreach.

They ALWAYS overreach.

And for all the attempts to compare this to 1929 or 2010 or whatever - I think we’re seeing something that’s at least new-ish here in the overwhelming backlash against this tax scam. People are pissed out there, and they’re awake. And the harder they get pushed, the harder the pushback will be.

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scottslemmons  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:55:36pm

re: #159 ipsos

They overreach.

They ALWAYS overreach.

And for all the attempts to compare this to 1929 or 2010 or whatever - I think we’re seeing something that’s at least new-ish here in the overwhelming backlash against this tax scam. People are pissed out there, and they’re awake. And the harder they get pushed, the harder the pushback will be.

I’ve wondered if, at some point, Republicans in Congress would just quit going back to their home districts to campaign, solely to avoid confrontations with angry voters…

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petesh  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:55:46pm

re: #159 ipsos

Yup. Gloves off, guts or glory, don’t let your dauber down, all that good stuff.

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Brian J.  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:56:50pm

re: #156 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

So in other words, today, the Republicans finally admitted that they feel beholden to no one. They don’t give a shit about their constituents - a majority of Americans oppose the tax bill - they only care about themselves. And they know they can get away with it because, even though the people that vote for them hate the tax bill, they hate Democrats even more. Ah, partisan politics, what thou hast wrought. Fuck our lives.

Then the Democrats need to go after those constituents, and hard. A good dose of antirural populism- “How dare these lazy good-for-nothing rural white people get money to poison American politics!”- should do wonders.

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Cheechako  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:56:59pm

So, we get to wait to find out if Mueller’s firing is the “Happy Holiday’s Massacre”, the “Merry Christmas Massacre”, or the “Happy New Years Massacre”?

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:56:59pm

re: #7 Weaselone

Don’t forget, the foreign owner’s tax break is permanent.

Reminder: No tax provisions are actually permanent. They can always be revised/reversed with a new Congress.

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ipsos  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:57:34pm

re: #160 scottslemmons

I’ve wondered if, at some point, Republicans in Congress would just quit going back to their home districts to campaign, solely to avoid confrontations with angry voters…

Effectively, many of them already have.

Look at the “campaign” Roy Moore ran. He barely appeared in public for the last three weeks or so before the election.

Once they’ve already acknowledged they’re working for their wealthy funders and not for their constituents, why waste time keeping up the charade? We have a prime example out here near me in western New York - I bet we see almost nothing public from Chris Collins in the Buffalo area over the holidays, or into next year.

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Brian J.  Dec 20, 2017 • 2:58:16pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Neu Volkischer Beobachter is hopelessly compromised, and will gleefully cover for their Orange Jesus. They created him, and they fall with him.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:01:04pm

re: #162 Brian J.

Then the Democrats need to go after those constituents, and hard. A good dose of antirural populism- “How dare these lazy good-for-nothing rural white people get money to poison American politics!”- should do wonders.

How is that going to help? These guys will vote Republican, literally no matter what happens. Unless the Universe shifts on its axis and the GOP abandons their time-tested strategy of God, Guns, Abortion, they will always have the power to get away with this shit.

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Brian J.  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:02:32pm

re: #62 Interesting Times

See what I mean about low-info voters? -_-

The only solution to that sort of woeful ignorance is a sustained, aggressive, fuck-the-both-siderist-media-in-the-earholes campaign to talk to those voters directly. Much as I hate to admit it, Cheeto Benito does have a point about using social media to “bypass fake news” - there are communication tools available now that weren’t nearly so prevalent in Obama’s early days, plus good-old-fashioned boots-on-ground canvassing (isn’t this how Doug Jones was able to turn out so many voters, despite a woeful lack of existing infrastructure?)

Sorry, I don’t think this will work. Social media are deliberately designed to be taken over by bots and Nazis. I’d campaign on “regulating” them with an eye on eliminating them.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:02:55pm

re: #165 ipsos

Effectively, many of them already have.

Look at the “campaign” Roy Moore ran. He barely appeared in public for the last three weeks or so before the election.

Once they’ve already acknowledged they’re working for their wealthy funders and not for their constituents, why waste time keeping up the charade? We have a prime example out here near me in western New York - I bet we see almost nothing public from Chris Collins in the Buffalo area over the holidays, or into next year.

Roy Moore lost.

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Citizen K  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:03:40pm

re: #68 Kragar

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Brian J.  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:03:59pm

re: #167 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

How is that going to help? These guys will vote Republican, literally no matter what happens. Unless the Universe shifts on its axis and the GOP abandons their time-tested strategy of God, Guns, Abortion, they will always have the power to get away with this shit.

Exactly. Thus, campaign against them! They make great foils- hypocritical Christian white supremacists, retired people who want government hands off their Medicare, hucksters who demand disaster relief and highway funds only for themselves.

(I guess I should have been clearer by “go after.”)

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:05:16pm

re: #153 petesh

I agree, with the caveat that Warner may be trying to head off the firing by stressing the partisan nature of the proceedings. Could be an exciting Christmas!

Shot across the combover.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:06:09pm

re: #169 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Roy Moore lost.

Say that again. My buzz was wearing down.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:06:47pm

re: #142 petesh

Wait, isn’t Warner a Democrat? There isn’t another one right now, is there? I suspect that he is indeed pushing that line in the hopes of getting Rs to agree now they are feeling fat and happy. I’m not convinced that agreement will come until the indictments are handed down, and possibly not then.

Whoops…got him confused with Burr.

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:07:36pm

re: #108 dangerman

fritos corn chips too

seriously? im the only one who likes fritos?

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Old Liberal  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:09:02pm

re: #171 Brian J.

Exactly. Thus, campaign against them! They make great foils- hypocritical Christian white supremacists, retired people who want government hands off their Medicare, hucksters who demand disaster relief and highway funds only for themselves.

Interesting idea Brian J. We know that people with authoritarian personalities need an enemy, and the conservative propaganda serves up enemies to fear. I am not sure that urban diverse people have authoritarian personalities, so serving up villains might not be effective, but perhaps they have protective instincts so “we need to protect our diverse community from greedy authoritarians” would resonate.

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:09:41pm

re: #171 Brian J.

Exactly. Thus, campaign against them! They make great foils- hypocritical Christian white supremacists, retired people who want government hands off their Medicare, hucksters who demand disaster relief and highway funds only for themselves.

(I guess I should have been clearer by “go after.”)

An entirely self-defeating proposition. The targets are the assholes those people voted for and keep voting for who just gave themselves huge tax breaks fucking over those who voted for them. The only address GOP voters should get is “they lied to you for your votes in order to enrich themselves by taking it away from you.”

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:09:46pm

re: #167 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

How is that going to help? These guys will vote Republican, literally no matter what happens. Unless the Universe shifts on its axis and the GOP abandons their time-tested strategy of God, Guns, Abortion, they will always have the power to get away with this shit.

Some will, not all. Some will stay home, some will change their votes, and that combined with higher Democratic turnout should swing elections. There were quite a few narrow wins last election. (And need I remind everyone again, DT LOST by millions. He won several states by tiny margins. But I believe you know that.)

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:10:21pm

re: #174 Mike Lamb

Your point still makes sense to me. Highest Dem can be signaling the same thing.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:11:15pm

re: #175 dangerman

seriously? im the only one who likes fritos?

Didn’t see that

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:11:44pm

re: #156 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

So in other words, today, the Republicans finally admitted that they feel beholden to no one. They don’t give a shit about their constituents - a majority of Americans oppose the tax bill - they only care about themselves. And they know they can get away with it because, even though the people that vote for them hate the tax bill, they hate Democrats even more. Ah, partisan politics, what thou hast wrought. Fuck our lives.

in addition to all the outright opposition you mentioned above
51-48 are the only numbers that matter
this no mandate
its the skin of their teeth

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:11:53pm

re: #175 dangerman

seriously? im the only one who likes fritos?

Nope.i love them!

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:11:56pm

re: #175 dangerman

All I know is that puppy feet smell like Fritos sometimes.

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Brian J.  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:12:44pm

re: #177 allegro

An entirely self-defeating proposition. The targets are the assholes those people voted for and keep voting for who just gave themselves huge tax breaks fucking over those who voted for them. The only address GOP voters should get is “they lied to you for your votes in order to enrich themselves by taking it away from you.”

The only address GOP voters should get is “your ass is grass and we’re the lawnmowers.”

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:13:26pm

re: #183 JordanRules

All I know is that puppy feet smell like Fritos sometimes.

LOL! Buddy was on my lap getting a hug when I read that. He gave me a WTF look as I sniffed his foot. Didn’t smell like Fritos.

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:13:43pm

re: #160 scottslemmons

I’ve wondered if, at some point, Republicans in Congress would just quit going back to their home districts to campaign, solely to avoid confrontations with angry voters…

many already have
and many wont do town halls because they cant really explain anything

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Citizen K  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:13:54pm

re: #77 A Mom Anon

This kind of stuff always kind of gets me, especially now, when I remember genuine Blue Dogs pulling amounts of ratfucking that were truly infuriating, many of whom did their best to literally run against the party, and post-‘08, against Obama. Most of those assholes paid the price for trying to pivot right and play ‘more conservative than thou’ by losing to the actual Republicans they were facing. Compare the bullshit Lieberman pulled to the remarkable stand the Dems have had in the face of the attempted ACA repeals, and the tax debacles.

Dems are standing pretty damn firm. The only problem is the GOP slashing-and-burning all normal precedent and standard operation. And this is where the crux is: we still have media and even allies, blaming Dems for GOP intransigence, out of some weird idea that the Dems need to be the ones policing the GOP for their bad behavior, completely abandoning the media’s role in reigning that shit in either. We live in a time where IOKIYAR is the constant, persistent standard.

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:15:27pm

re: #172 Decatur Deb

Shot across the combover.

+1

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:15:45pm

re: #184 Brian J.

The only address GOP voters should get is “your ass is grass and we’re the lawnmowers.”

The real divisions are too close for that. We win, then they win. At some point we have to fall back on a serious academic and moral education effort.

(That’s why an agnostic should encourage the Religious Left.)

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:16:16pm

It’s 5:16! I have wine!

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:16:22pm

After reading Glorious Gold Leader’s thoughts on American Juche, his Cabinet had these words of glowing praise:

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Brian J.  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:16:27pm

re: #189 Decatur Deb

The real divisions are too close for that. We win, then they win. At some point we have to fall back on a serious academic and moral education effort.

(That’s why an agnostic should encourage the Religious Left.)

White Christians are almost completely immune to both, as Alabama demonstrated.

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:16:37pm

re: #177 allegro

An entirely self-defeating proposition. The targets are the assholes those people voted for and keep voting for who just gave themselves huge tax breaks fucking over those who voted for them. The only address GOP voters should get is “they lied to you for your votes in order to enrich themselves by taking it away from you.”

the democratic base is the people who voted for doug jones

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:16:53pm

re: #185 allegro

LOL! Buddy was on my lap getting a hug when I read that. He gave me a WTF look as I sniffed his foot. Didn’t smell like Fritos.

JR has a problem with her kennel or her grocer.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:17:51pm

re: #46 reidr

Ryan is such a smug douche. I need to donate to Bryce. Please tell me there’s a chance he could win.

In a wave election, even those who have served for years can be unseated by a no-name opponent. If people are sufficiently infuriated, they will take it out on whoever is available. That’s why we have to be on message — that this plan is designed to harm everyday taxpayers. We have to emphasize that they are coming for your Social Security and Medicare — that they are the ones with the real death panel.

Tom Steyer needs to stop his impeachment ads and instead buy a network and promulgate fear in those who can be reached that the GOP is out to harm anyone who is not wealthy. It doesn’t matter if we exaggerate — after all they get away with outright lies time and time again.

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Brian J.  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:18:07pm

re: #193 dangerman

the democratic base is the people who voted for doug jones

Exactly. Of those people, somewhere between 60 and 75 percent were nonwhite, and most of the rest were educated, living in cities or inner suburbs, and irreligious.

(I think the exit polls understated the share of black voters, given the high turnout in majority-black counties.)

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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:18:51pm

My buttons… Alas, they are no more. 😢

iPhone X, latest iOS.

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:19:06pm

re: #189 Decatur Deb

The real divisions are too close for that. We win, then they win. At some point we have to fall back on a serious academic and moral education effort.

(That’s why an agnostic should encourage the Religious Left.)

We also need to avoid the splash-back. Going negative on voters is a real bad idea.

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Kragar  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:19:30pm
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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:19:42pm

re: #185 allegro

Ahh! I was hoping at least one other lizard made this observation too!
Glad Buddy got a hug though. LOL

My Mom agrees that our old dog sometimes had Frito feet so I know I’m not crazy by myself.

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petesh  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:19:58pm

IMHO, not all that many Rs are going to vote D though some will; more, I think, will stay home on the reasonable assumption that everything is messed up. The important thing is going to be convincing wishy-washy Inds, bored Dems, and purity ponies to suck it up and get to the polls. I am actually optimistic that this can be done.

(Just put some bleachers out in the sun
and have it on Highway 61)

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:20:17pm

re: #193 dangerman

the democratic base is the people who voted for doug jones

50.nothing %.

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:21:58pm

re: #193 dangerman

the democratic base is the people who voted for doug jones

Yes. They deserve tremendous praise and nurturing. Let’s concentrate on those and the non-voters.

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:24:10pm

re: #183 JordanRules

All I know is that puppy feet smell like Fritos sometimes.

im not gonna ask how…..

then again:

Love to eat them mousies;
Mousies what I love to eat
Bite they little heads off
nibble on they tiny feet

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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:24:42pm

re: #183 JordanRules

All I know is that puppy feet smell like Fritos sometimes.

There’s lots of talk on the Facebook groups I visit about Boston terriers having feet that smell like Fritos.

Nope.

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:25:20pm

re: #189 Decatur Deb

The real divisions are too close for that. We win, then they win. At some point we have to fall back on a serious academic and moral education effort.

(That’s why an agnostic should encourage the Religious Left.)

yup 51-48

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William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:25:56pm

re: #175 dangerman

seriously? im the only one who likes fritos?

Didn’t see it either. Love them but can’t eat them (sodium).

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:26:26pm

re: #193 dangerman

the once and future democratic base is the people who voted for doug jones

eta

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:27:23pm

re: #197 MsJ

My buttons… Alas, they are no more. 😢

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iPhone X, latest iOS.

you get a pass.
only you though

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:29:08pm

re: #205 MsJ

Yessss!!!!!!!
When I finally nailed the smell one day, my Mom was like you’re spot on!
So happy to know there are others out there. (Maybe it’s like the cilantro gene LOL)

It’s not a bad smell either. Could be way worse than a lovely snack chip.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:31:09pm

re: #210 JordanRules

Yessss!!!!!!!
When I finally nailed the smell one day, my Mom was like you’re spot on!
So happy to know there are others out there. (Maybe it’s like the cilantro Gene LOL)

It’s not a bad smell either. Could be way worse than a lovely snack chip.

If I wanted to smell them, I’m sure Doofus’ feet would smell like dog shit.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:32:18pm

re: #211 Decatur Deb

I’m certain that is the case for many of them. The Frito feet seem to be a confirmed set now for me.

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austin_blue  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:32:39pm

re: #162 Brian J.

Then the Democrats need to go after those constituents, and hard. A good dose of antirural populism- “How dare these lazy good-for-nothing rural white people get money to poison American politics!”- should do wonders.

Why would you do that if you know that they are getting fucked, especially in the long run, and, Instead, appeal to their best interests?

They’ll find out soon enough that the D’s are correct and the R’s have been selling them snake oil. Jumping on rural white people for having bought the lie is the stupidest thing the D’s could do.

Please tell me I missed the obvious sarc, because I’m hoping you aren’t that big of a troll.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:33:29pm

We need to make sure that minorities have the right to vote,are able to vote, and get out to vote. If we relied on the white population, this country would be voting for racists and misogynists with an overwhelming majority.

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ipsos  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:33:34pm

re: #207 William Lewis

Didn’t see it either. Love them but can’t eat them (sodium).

I accidentally got hooked on two Fritos flavors that are only sold in Mexico. (Chile lime and salt and lime.)

Fortunately there’s this dude on eBay who sells them from Mexico City.

I figure there are much worse addictions to Mexican products that I could have.

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Brian J.  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:34:13pm

re: #213 austin_blue

Why would you do that if you know that they are getting fucked, especially in the long run, and, Instead, appeal to their best interests?

They’ll find out soon enough that the D’s are correct and the R’s have been selling them snake oil. Jumping on rural white people for having bought the lie is the stupidest thing the D’s could do.

Please tell me I missed the obvious sarc, because I’m hoping you aren’t that big of a troll.

They aren’t getting fucked, they’re getting exactly what they want- to hate everyone else with official approval. They don’t care that it’s a lie. They want the lie more than they want the truth.

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William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:35:05pm

re: #206 dangerman

yup 51-48

And why the religious left keeps pushing the idea of living the Way of Christ. You can say what you believe all you want, but in the end “You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.” Help them bear good fruit and everyone is better off.

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:35:46pm

re: #210 JordanRules

Yessss!!!!!!!
When I finally nailed the smell one day, my Mom was like you’re spot on!
So happy to know there are others out there. (Maybe it’s like the cilantro gene LOL)

It’s not a bad smell either. Could be way worse than a lovely snack chip.

ok this is not at all where i was going when i first brought it up
glad you’re all amused

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ipsos  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:36:26pm

re: #169 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Roy Moore lost.

I never said it was a SMART strategy..

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:37:36pm

on another note, for anyone who cares

spinach potato frittata topped with shredded gruyere
and leftover last night’s salad

not a frito in the house

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:37:48pm

re: #216 Brian J.

They aren’t getting fucked, they’re getting exactly what they want- to hate everyone else with official approval. They don’t care that it’s a lie. They want the lie more than they want the truth.

So yeah, let’s be just as hateful and divisive. Good plan.

/////////not enough

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Brian J.  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:38:04pm

re: #217 William Lewis

And why the religious left keeps pushing the idea of living the Way of Christ. You can say what you believe all you want, but in the end “You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.” Help them bear good fruit and everyone is better off.

The Religious Left are wasting their time- and most quickly figure it out and deconvert. (White) Christianity is as it is practiced by its adherents. Mercy, equality, humility- these are not (white) Christian virtues anymore because Christians demonstrate that by word and by deed, they are not valued. (White) Christianity today is worship of St. Donald and St. Adolf, and of any wealthy white man who might do you a favor or grant you a boon. You need a new name for your religious practice.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:38:12pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:38:19pm

re: #221 allegro

So yeah, let’s be just as hateful and divisive. Good plan.

/////////not enough

That’s the problem. He’s not wrong - but his approach… no. Just no.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:38:55pm

re: #219 ipsos

I never said it was a SMART strategy..

He had a very cunning plan.

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Teukka  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:39:27pm

re: #223 Charles Johnson

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Don’t like the sound of that. Sounds ominous.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:39:27pm

re: #218 dangerman

Well Fritos are yummy though not my favorite snack chip.

Puppy feet are awesome tho!

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wrenchwench  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:40:10pm

I’m not sure what it means when the town no longer has an ‘office of sustainability’, but it can’t be good.

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:41:25pm

re: #227 JordanRules

Well Fritos are yummy though not my favorite snack chip.

Puppy feet are awesome tho!

The next new snack sensation! Puppy feet!

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austin_blue  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:41:34pm

re: #216 Brian J.

They aren’t getting fucked, they’re getting exactly what they want- to hate everyone else with official approval. They don’t care that it’s a lie. They want the lie more than they want the truth.

Bullshit. Take away they and their kids subsidized health care and watch Mom and Dad get thrown of Medicaid and eating Alpo, and they will change their tunes right quick.

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whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:42:10pm

re: #205 MsJ

There’s lots of talk on the Facebook groups I visit about Boston terriers having feet that smell like Fritos.

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Nope.

My old dog was an American Eski. Cleanest, sweetest pups ever. Even at sixteen, the whole dog smelled like fritos. Or maybe like a pair of new Italian loafers fresh out of the shoebox.

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Brian J.  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:42:21pm

re: #230 austin_blue

Bullshit. Take away they and their kids subsidized health care and watch Mom and Dad get thrown of Medicaid and eating Alpo, and they will change their tunes right quick.

I doubt that, but I’m ready for the experiment. Let’s do it.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:43:06pm

re: #216 Brian J.

They aren’t getting fucked, they’re getting exactly what they want- to hate everyone else with official approval. They don’t care that it’s a lie. They want the lie more than they want the truth.

I know there are many Trump supporters like that but there are others who lost hope. Obama was elected and nothing changed for them. As I’ve said before, Trump actually gave speeches where he sounded sympathetic and understanding of the workers’ plight in this modern technological age. Of course, Trump had no solutions but people were naive enough to think he did — and to think he was a successful businessman. He sounded just like Sinclair Lewis’ Windrip in It Can’t Happen Here — and it is now happening here.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:43:17pm

re: #231 whitebeach

My old dog was an American Eski. Cleanest, sweetest pups ever. Even at sixteen, the whole dog smelled like fritos. Or maybe like a pair of new Italian loafers fresh out of the shoebox.

Had a friend at the photo studio who was into that.

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Brian J.  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:43:37pm

re: #229 allegro

The next new snack sensation! Puppy feet!

Lots of people eat chicken feet, apparently.

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Renaissance_Man  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:44:10pm

re: #230 austin_blue

Bullshit. Take away they and their kids subsidized health care and watch Mom and Dad get thrown of Medicaid and eating Alpo, and they will change their tunes right quick.

I have to disagree - no they won’t. The lives of many rural white voters are already pretty bad. The hate they get from FOX and other sources sustains them. Republicans could drive off with their car and Trump could personally molest their daughters and they would still vote for him if they watch FOX. They need hate more than air.

Again, this is a cult. Cultists throughout history have happily killed themselves if told to. Why would a little more physical deprivation change their minds?

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calochortus  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:44:47pm

re: #222 Brian J.

The Religious Left are wasting their time- and most quickly figure it out and deconvert. (White) Christianity is as it is practiced by its adherents. Mercy, equality, humility- these are not (white) Christian virtues anymore because Christians demonstrate that by word and by deed, they are not valued. (White) Christianity today is worship of St. Donald and St. Adolf, and of any wealthy white man who might do you a favor or grant you a boon. You need a new name for your religious practice.

Eh, I know plenty of kind, non-racist Christians. And Jews. And atheists, etc. People tend to use their faith to reinforce their values. The problem isn’t the religion so much as it’s the folks who think a deity approves of their nastier impulses.
But then, I’m an atheist, so what do I know?

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austin_blue  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:44:52pm

re: #222 Brian J.

The Religious Left are wasting their time- and most quickly figure it out and deconvert. (White) Christianity is as it is practiced by its adherents. Mercy, equality, humility- these are not (white) Christian virtues anymore because Christians demonstrate that by word and by deed, they are not valued. (White) Christianity today is worship of St. Donald and St. Adolf, and of any wealthy white man who might do you a favor or grant you a boon. You need a new name for your religious practice.

A Post Too Far. I have great respect for The Religious, even if I am not a believer, as long as they don’t tell me I’m going to H-E-Double toothpicks, Heathen!

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:45:26pm

re: #236 Renaissance_Man

I have to disagree - no they won’t. The lives of many rural white voters are already pretty bad. The hate they get from FOX and other sources sustains them. Republicans could drive off with their car and Trump could personally molest their daughters and they would still vote for him if they watch FOX. They need hate more than air.

They get plenty of it from there. Let’s not feed them further, ‘k?

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Brian J.  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:45:52pm

re: #237 calochortus

Eh, I know plenty of kind, non-racist Christians. And Jews. And atheists, etc. People tend to use their faith to reinforce their values. The problem isn’t the religion so much as it’s the folks who think a deity approves of their nastier impulses.
But then, I’m an atheist, so what do I know?

That may be a function of where you live. Here, the white Christian is ubiquitous and his worldview is as described.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:46:55pm
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Old Liberal  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:47:09pm

re: #230 austin_blue

Bullshit. Take away they and their kids subsidized health care and watch Mom and Dad get thrown of Medicaid and eating Alpo, and they will change their tunes right quick.

I wish that were the case. From living among them, I can tell you this: they will never ever ever blame the conservatives for this. It will enrage them further as they blame them libruls. Their brains don’t work. I’m not kidding.

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calochortus  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:47:51pm

re: #240 Brian J.

That may be a function of where you live. Here, the white Christian is ubiquitous and his worldview is as described.

Possibly true, but “your” white Christian is hardly the only kind out there.

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BigPapa  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:49:01pm

They Live Star Wars

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Renaissance_Man  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:49:42pm

re: #239 allegro

They get plenty of it from there. Let’s not feed them further, ‘k?

I’m not saying that we should practice politics of vindictiveness against them, much as some might want to, and even if the dark corners of my heart might agree. That way lies madness. The only way forward must be to do the right thing, for the cultists as well as for ordinary people.

But it is also true that expecting them to change their vote or change their mind is folly, even if Republicans personally harm them. Any scenario that expects that is suspect, and any strategy that relies on that is doomed to failure.

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gocart mozart  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:49:42pm

re: #121 MsJ

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:50:33pm

re: #223 Charles Johnson

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It would be career suicide, but how great would it be to say, “Mr. President, multiple independent fact-checking agencies have found that you have lied far and away more than any modern President. President Obama told fewer than 20 identifiable lies in eight years. You have told several hundred. Remarkable achievement, no?”

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:50:51pm

re: #243 calochortus

Possibly true, but “your” white Christian is hardly the only kind out there.

Habitat for Humanity is self-identified as a Christian ministry. I’m our affiliate’s designated agnostic. When they want to fuck with me, they ask if I’d like to give the invocation.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:51:04pm

re: #244 BigPapa

We’re gonna have to start consuming each other since there will be no money left to shop with.

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William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:51:45pm

re: #222 Brian J.

Why would I let them steal the title given to the Rabbi who’s teaching I follow? Franklin Graham, for one example can call himself a Christian all he wants to. It doesn’t change what I try to do to live rightly.

There is a famous tale about Rabbi Hillel, who lived around the time of Jesus. A pagan came to him saying that he would convert to Judaism if Hillel could teach him the whole of the Torah in the time he could stand on one foot. Rabbi Hillel replied, “What is hateful to yourself, do not do to your fellow man. That is the whole Torah; the rest is just commentary. Go and study it.” This sounds a lot like the “Golden Rule”, yes? Yet this idea was a fundamental part of Judaism long before Hillel or Jesus. It is a common-sense application of the Torah commandment to love your neighbor as yourself (Lev. 19:18). The mistake early Christians made and passed on to us is to forget the command to “go and study it”. When we do, we see what little we are told we must do:
Love our neighbor as we love ourselves
See that everyone is our neighbor, impartially.
Feed the hungry
House the poor
Cloth the naked
Care for the sick
Visit the imprisoned
Have mercy
Love Justice
Walk humbly with god.

The rest, indeed, is commentary. Important, mind, but only commentary nonetheless.

And that commentary is the path we live when we live for all of humanity instead of just for our selves.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:53:02pm

Had this scene stuck in my head. Just replace Palpatine with Trump and Yoda with Warner:

Star Wars Episode II - Attack of the Clones: Begun the Clone War has [1080p HD]

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:53:22pm

re: #248 Decatur Deb

Habitat for Humanity is self-identified as a Christian ministry. I’m our affiliate’s designated agnostic. When they want to fuck with me, they ask if I’d like to give the invocation.

Dear god and/or gods, if you are there, um, please watch over us and make sure we don’t fuck up; but just in case there isn’t anyone there, let’s make sure to measure twice and cut once folks, always use the safety gear and watch where you’re going. Ready… Break!

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:55:26pm

re: #252 KGxvi

Dear god and/or gods, if you are there, um, please watch over us and make sure we don’t fuck up; but just in case there isn’t anyone there, let’s make sure to measure twice and cut once folks, always use the safety gear and watch where you’re going. Ready… Break!

I’ve done “On the Turning Away”. More often that’s what I pencil into the rafters when we sign the building.

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:55:39pm

re: #236 Renaissance_Man

I have to disagree - no they won’t. The lives of many rural white voters are already pretty bad. The hate they get from FOX and other sources sustains them. Republicans could drive off with their car and Trump could personally molest their daughters and they would still vote for him if they watch FOX. They need hate more than air.

Again, this is a cult. Cultists throughout history have happily killed themselves if told to. Why would a little more physical deprivation change their minds?

A strategy as old as time: blame people’s problems on someone else.

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austin_blue  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:56:32pm

re: #248 Decatur Deb

Habitat for Humanity is self-identified as a Christian ministry. I’m our affiliate’s designated agnostic. When they want to fuck with me, they ask if I’d like to give the invocation.

Modify this and happily deliver it. It was requested by a man going into single combat:

(Roger Zelazny, Creatures of Light and Darkness, (c) 1969)

Insofar as I may be heard by anything, which may or may not care what I say, I ask, if it matters, that you be forgiven for anything you may have done or failed to do which requires forgiveness. Conversely, if not forgiveness but something else may be required to insure any possible benefit for which you may be eligible after the destruction of your body, I ask that this, whatever it may be, be granted or withheld, as the case may be, in such a manner as to insure your receiving said benefit. I ask this in my capacity as your elected intermediary between yourself and that which may not be yourself, but which may have an interest in the matter of your receiving as much as it is possible for you to receive of this thing, and which may in some way be influenced by this ceremony. Amen.

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whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:56:35pm

re: #248 Decatur Deb

Habitat for Humanity is self-identified as a Christian ministry. I’m our affiliate’s designated agnostic. When they want to fuck with me, they ask if I’d like to give the invocation.

Do it. Start out with a paraphrase from Cool Hand Luke: “What we have heah is a failyuh ta excommunicate.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:57:07pm

re: #230 austin_blue

Bullshit. Take away they and their kids subsidized health care and watch Mom and Dad get thrown of Medicaid and eating Alpo, and they will change their tunes right quick.

You know what? I don’t think so. They’ll blame Democrats for giving their benefits to lazy black and brown people, even if that makes no logical sense. Remember, these are the people who had their taxes CUT by Obama and STILL believed that their taxes went UP.

I was thinking about this last night, and why the idea that Sanders could appeal to the WWC who went for Trump was such nonsense. The thing is, they agree with the idea that the system is rigged, but they completely disagree about who rigged it, and for whose benefit.

Sanders believes that Wall Street and Big Corporations rig The System to benefit the rich at the expense of everyone else. This is pretty much demonstrably true (see today’s tax cut vote).

Trump’s WWC supporters believe The System is rigged by the Democrats and the ‘Elites’ (by which they mean anyone with a postsecondary education) to benefit the Blacks and Browns at the expense of Whites who never attended college. Rich people, in their view DESERVE to make more money because they’re just better people than the rest of us - except movie stars and sports stars, who are overpaid, and if they’re sports stars and not White, ungrateful.

So, no. They won’t turn against Trump when he screws them, because he’ll tell them it’s Those People doing it to them, and they’ll believe it, even while they’re bent over and Trump’s talking to them from immediately behind.

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Teukka  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:57:39pm

re: #250 William Lewis

Why would I let them steal the title given to the Rabbi who’s teaching I follow? Franklin Graham, for one example can call himself a Christian all he wants to. It doesn’t change what I try to do to live rightly.

There is a famous tale about Rabbi Hillel, who lived around the time of Jesus. A pagan came to him saying that he would convert to Judaism if Hillel could teach him the whole of the Torah in the time he could stand on one foot. Rabbi Hillel replied, “What is hateful to yourself, do not do to your fellow man. That is the whole Torah; the rest is just commentary. Go and study it.” This sounds a lot like the “Golden Rule”, yes? Yet this idea was a fundamental part of Judaism long before Hillel or Jesus. It is a common-sense application of the Torah commandment to love your neighbor as yourself (Lev. 19:18). The mistake early Christians made and passed on to us is to forget the command to “go and study it”. When we do, we see what little we are told we must do:
Love our neighbor as we love ourselves
See that everyone is our neighbor, impartially.
Feed the hungry
House the poor
Cloth the naked
Care for the sick
Visit the imprisoned
Have mercy
Love Justice
Walk humbly with god.

The rest, indeed, is commentary. Important, mind, but only commentary nonetheless.

And that commentary is the path we live when we live for all of humanity instead of just for our selves.

Question, the italicized part, should it be attributed to you, or someone else… I’m pondering stealing it fair and square… :3

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:57:53pm

re: #255 austin_blue

Modify this and happily deliver it. It was requested by a man going into single combat:

(Roger Zelazny, Creatures of Light and Darkness, (c) 1969)

Insofar as I may be heard by anything, which may or may not care what I say, I ask, if it matters, that you be forgiven for anything you may have done or failed to do which requires forgiveness. Conversely, if not forgiveness but something else may be required to insure any possible benefit for which you may be eligible after the destruction of your body, I ask that this, whatever it may be, be granted or withheld, as the case may be, in such a manner as to insure your receiving said benefit. I ask this in my capacity as your elected intermediary between yourself and that which may not be yourself, but which may have an interest in the matter of your receiving as much as it is possible for you to receive of this thing, and which may in some way be influenced by this ceremony. Amen.

That’s good. So is Conan’s prayer to Crom.

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William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 3:58:49pm

I had a thought the other day when thinking about Dostoevsky’s “Grand Inquisitor”. If Christ did come back today, like as not he’d die shot down while helping some poor people by a someone certain he was a thief/murder/rapist/etc.

Perhaps Christians in the future would wear a stylized glock in gold or silver around their necks? What would the sign of the pistol be? SMH…

Good thing I don’t believe in a literal 2nd coming but rather that the Christ returns again everytime someone finds him in their heart and finds that fleeting moment of true grace.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:00:16pm

re: #256 whitebeach

Do it. Start out with a paraphrase from Cool Hand Luke: “What we have heah is a failyuh ta excommunicate.”

Funnier—I was up on the truck with a young Ft Rucker volunteer who asked permission to take a piss. When I told him to “just keep shakn’ that bush”, he got it.

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:02:00pm

re: #245 Renaissance_Man

I’m not saying that we should practice politics of vindictiveness against them, much as some might want to, and even if the dark corners of my heart might agree. That way lies madness. The only way forward must be to do the right thing, for the cultists as well as for ordinary people.

But it is also true that expecting them to change their vote or change their mind is folly, even if Republicans personally harm them. Any scenario that expects that is suspect, and any strategy that relies on that is doomed to failure.

Expecting them to change is not what I’m suggesting. That ain’t happening. I’m suggesting that we ignore them rather than further hate-feed them and nurture those who are allies and potential allies.

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:07:09pm

I don’t know what led me to it, but I was reading some stuff the other day about evangelical world views and how there is something of a split between those who adhere to the teachings of Jesus and those who adhere to the teachings of Paul. And how they try to bring two very different views into alignment. Most white evangelical churches follow the teachings of Paul. I’d need to find the links again, but it was actually rather enlightening.

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William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:07:28pm

re: #258 Teukka

Question, the italicized part, should it be attributed to you, or someone else… I’m pondering stealing it fair and square… :3

A bit of both.
Exodus 22:21
Leviticus 19:18
Micah 6:8
Sirach 31:15
Matthew 7:12
Mathew 25:31-46 (careful here. Most forget that Goats & Sheep are both good…)
James 2
are the scriptural references tied together with my own thoughts for a sermon I was going to give last Sunday till I had to work instead. If it helps you, steal away, that’s all any of us can hope to do.

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Brian J.  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:08:13pm

#247 Barefoot Grin

It would be career suicide, but how great would it be to say, “Mr. President, multiple independent fact-checking agencies have found that you have lied far and away more than any modern President. President Obama told fewer than 20 identifiable lies in eight years. You have told several hundred. Remarkable achievement, no?”

That shouldn’t be career suicide- on the contrary, a few questions like that in the summer of 2015 and America might still have been saved- but it clearly is.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:10:28pm

re: #263 KGxvi

I don’t know what led me to it, but I was reading some stuff the other day about evangelical world views and how there is something of a split between those who adhere to the teachings of Jesus and those who adhere to the teachings of Paul. And how they try to bring two very different views into alignment. Most white evangelical churches follow the teachings of Paul. I’d need to find the links again, but it was actually rather enlightening.

Paul was the price of taking the show on the road.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:10:46pm

re: #261 Decatur Deb

Funnier—I was up on the truck with a young Ft Rucker volunteer who asked permission to take a piss. When I told him to “just keep shakn’ that bush”, he got it.

“Fetch mah rahfle.”

“I’m shakin’ the bush here, Boss!”

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Teukka  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:11:06pm

re: #264 William Lewis

A bit of both.
Exodus 22:21
Leviticus 19:18
Micah 6:8
Sirach 31:15
Matthew 7:12
Mathew 25:31-46 (careful here. Most forget that Goats & Sheep are both good…)
James 2
are the scriptural references tied together with my own thoughts for a sermon I was going to give last Sunday till I had to work instead. If it helps you, steal away, that’s all any of us can hope to do.

Back atcha.
Some passages that are close to heart for me and could be related:
o Proverbs 3:27
o 1 Cor 13:1-13

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sagehen  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:11:34pm

re: #206 dangerman

yup 51-48

Need we point out that the 51 represent less than 40% of Americans? And the 48 represent a significant majority?

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Brian J.  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:12:13pm

re: #262 allegro

Expecting them to change is not what I’m suggesting. That ain’t happening. I’m suggesting that we ignore them rather than further hate-feed them and nurture those who are allies and potential allies.

I don’t think we’re that far away in what we propose. I would also ignore them, and I wouldn’t waste public money on them. Do white rural Christians want roads? Hospitals? Schools? Electricity? Internet service? Airports? Then they shouldn’t be asked/allowed to mooch on people and a system that they hate.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:12:23pm

re: #263 KGxvi

I don’t know what led me to it, but I was reading some stuff the other day about evangelical world views and how there is something of a split between those who adhere to the teachings of Jesus and those who adhere to the teachings of Paul. And how they try to bring two very different views into alignment. Most white evangelical churches follow the teachings of Paul. I’d need to find the links again, but it was actually rather enlightening.

My take is that Saul of Tarsus was by profession and nature a persecutor, and his conversion merely got him to change sides.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:13:05pm

re: #268 Blind Frog Belly White

“Fetch mah rahfle.”

“I’m shakin’ the bush here, Boss!”

“Sometimes nuthin is a mighty cool hand”
—Democratic Coat of Arms.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:14:06pm

With a hearty “FUCK YOU!!”

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:14:09pm

Long, long but good, good!

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scottslemmons  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:14:16pm

re: #248 Decatur Deb

Habitat for Humanity is self-identified as a Christian ministry. I’m our affiliate’s designated agnostic. When they want to fuck with me, they ask if I’d like to give the invocation.

That’s why I have the prayer to Crom from “Conan the Barbarian” memorized. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:14:42pm

re: #223 Charles Johnson

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just look at the dead stares of Ivanka & Jared…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:14:45pm

re: #273 Decatur Deb

“Sometimes nuthin is a mighty cool hand”
—Democratic Coat of Arms.

“Ah kin eat fifteh aigs.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:15:59pm

re: #263 KGxvi

Jesus is the teacher, period. Paul was interpreting those teachings. Yes, the words of both men are bona fide scripture but given any confusion between the two I will go with Jesus every time. He set the example before anyone else did.

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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:16:14pm

re: #252 KGxvi

Dear god and/or gods, if you are there, um, please watch over us and make sure we don’t fuck up; but just in case there isn’t anyone there, let’s make sure to measure twice and cut once folks, always use the safety gear and watch where you’re going. Ready… Break!

Since I no longer have dingers…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:16:15pm

re: #235 Brian J.

Lots of people eat chicken feet, apparently.

You think that’s something new?

good fucking grief…

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William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:17:03pm

re: #263 KGxvi

I don’t know what led me to it, but I was reading some stuff the other day about evangelical world views and how there is something of a split between those who adhere to the teachings of Jesus and those who adhere to the teachings of Paul. And how they try to bring two very different views into alignment. Most white evangelical churches follow the teachings of Paul. I’d need to find the links again, but it was actually rather enlightening.

My priest and I did a bible study yesterday. The Letter of James, Chapter 2. The antithesis to Paul. You can’t have works without faith but faith without works is dead dead dead. That tension is essential to Christianity but in America the Protestant fallacy of faith and scripture alone has pretty much won with a huge helping of the Calvinist heresy of the Prosperity Gospel.

At best, American Christianity is crawling into a chrysalis to pupate. It remains to be seen if it will survive to break out or not. If not, it will be because we don’t deserve to.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:18:34pm

re: #280 MsJ

Wish I could loan you mine. Nice work around tho!

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sagehen  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:19:33pm

re: #263 KGxvi

I don’t know what led me to it, but I was reading some stuff the other day about evangelical world views and how there is something of a split between those who adhere to the teachings of Jesus and those who adhere to the teachings of Paul. And how they try to bring two very different views into alignment. Most white evangelical churches follow the teachings of Paul. I’d need to find the links again, but it was actually rather enlightening.

Slacktivist is a good source for that kind of thing…

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:19:38pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just look at BLOTUS. He’s aged 15 years, and gained 60 pounds, minimum.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:20:51pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:20:53pm

Richard Nixon gives his thoughts on All in the Family, Archie Bunker and homosexuals.

RICHARD NIXON TAPES: Archie Bunker & Homosexuality

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Interesting Times  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:25:22pm

re: #275 JordanRules

Long, long but good, good!

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The worse polling looks for GOPers (plus further progress by Mueller), the more I worry the sociopathic shitstains will start a war to force a “rally ‘round the flag” effect. If they do, how good are chances that enough people see it for the disgustingly cynical move that it is?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:27:21pm

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

You think that’s something new?

good fucking grief…

I remember going to a Dim Sum restaurant with a novice, who’d never been. The lady with the cart of chicken feet came by, and he said “Yeah, sure!”

Then he saw that they really were chicken feet! He was, to say the least, taken aback. I figure he thought it was just a picturesque name for something mundane, like “Eight Precious Treasures” or something.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:27:33pm

re: #246 gocart mozart

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anywhere else (especially if the Republican was one vote ahead) that would be a spoiled ballot and not counted.

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Teukka  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:27:51pm

re: #264 William Lewis

A bit of both.
Exodus 22:21
Leviticus 19:18
Micah 6:8
Sirach 31:15
Matthew 7:12
Mathew 25:31-46 (careful here. Most forget that Goats & Sheep are both good…)
James 2
are the scriptural references tied together with my own thoughts for a sermon I was going to give last Sunday till I had to work instead. If it helps you, steal away, that’s all any of us can hope to do.

Anyways, thank you for that pearl of wisdom, you and holy scripture shall be properly attributed :)
*high-5’s*

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:28:01pm

re: #288 Interesting Times

That’s basically the “Wag the Dog” strategy.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:31:35pm

You all know Jane Elliott? The anti racism activist in this video?

I just got tix to see her speak on MLK day in San Diego!

Jane elliot

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nines09  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:33:19pm

Just went outside. Looked to the east. In the sky is my old winter friend. Orion is rising. I would drive for (update) 8 to 10 hours from Pennsylvania twice weekly to the Elkhart In area in my Bunky Big Rig. It would usually be a rest area or a backwater parking lot, and I would get out to kick tires and take a leak and look to the east. Orion. Rising. Later the night, higher in the sky. How many times did I look at Orion with an ice ring around the moon 500 miles from home at 3AM….Winter. Not yet here…..
I guess I always pissed facing east?

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Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:36:17pm

re: #294 nines09

Just went outside. Looked to the east. In the sky is my old winter friend. Orion is rising. I would drive for hours from Pennsylvania twice weekly to the Elkhart In area in my Bunky Big Rig. It would usually be a rest area or a backwater parking lot, and I would get out to kick tires and take a leak and look to the east. Orion. Rising. Later the night, higher in the sky. How many times did I look at Orion with an ice ring around the moon 500 miles from home at 3AM….Winter. Not yet here…..
I guess I always pissed facing east?

Your religious practices are your own affair.

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:37:46pm

re: #294 nines09

Just went outside. Looked to the east. In the sky is my old winter friend. Orion is rising. I would drive for hours from Pennsylvania twice weekly to the Elkhart In area in my Bunky Big Rig. It would usually be a rest area or a backwater parking lot, and I would get out to kick tires and take a leak and look to the east. Orion. Rising. Later the night, higher in the sky. How many times did I look at Orion with an ice ring around the moon 500 miles from home at 3AM….Winter. Not yet here…..
I guess I always pissed facing east?

Even when the wind is blowing west?

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sagehen  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:37:49pm

re: #289 Blind Frog Belly White

I remember going to a Dim Sum restaurant with a novice, who’d never been. The lady with the cart of chicken feet came by, and he said “Yeah, sure!”

Then he saw that they really were chicken feet! He was, to say the least, taken aback. I figure he thought it was just a picturesque name for something mundane, like “Eight Precious Treasures” or something.

Southerners also eat pigs’ feet. YUCK!!

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KGxvi  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:39:31pm

re: #282 William Lewis

My priest and I did a bible study yesterday. The Letter of James, Chapter 2. The antithesis to Paul. You can’t have works without faith but faith without works is dead dead dead. That tension is essential to Christianity but in America the Protestant fallacy of faith and scripture alone has pretty much won with a huge helping of the Calvinist heresy of the Prosperity Gospel.

At best, American Christianity is crawling into a chrysalis to pupate. It remains to be seen if it will survive to break out or not. If not, it will be because we don’t deserve to.

I think what started the search was an episode of With Friends Like These, which led me to a google search on something they were talking about, which led to some interesting writing about the thinkings of white evangelicals. I think the column I was reading was called Jesus vs Paul by Scot McKnight, but I can’t find it now without a pay wall.

I was raised Catholic but was never much of a believer and probably fall in the ignostic camp today. I just try to live my life in a way that will hopefully leave the world a better place when I’m gone. If there’s something waiting to judge me on the other side and that’s not good enough, well, so be it.

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sagehen  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:40:07pm

re: #293 Stanley Sea

You all know Jane Elliott? The anti racism activist in this video?

I just got tix to see her speak on MLK day in San Diego!

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Video

Chris Rock has a similar bit… “aren’t none of y’all white folk willing to trade places with me. And I’m rich!”

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nines09  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:40:48pm

re: #296 allegro

I CAN shade…..

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nines09  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:41:11pm

re: #295 Decatur Deb

Just stop…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:41:55pm

Trump can and will fire Mueller. And the Republicans will do jack squat about it. Trump got them their tax cuts. Next year he will help them kill social security/Medicare/Medicaid.

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whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:43:46pm

re: #294 nines09

Just went outside. Looked to the east. In the sky is my old winter friend. Orion is rising. I would drive for hours from Pennsylvania twice weekly to the Elkhart In area in my Bunky Big Rig. It would usually be a rest area or a backwater parking lot, and I would get out to kick tires and take a leak and look to the east. Orion. Rising. Later the night, higher in the sky. How many times did I look at Orion with an ice ring around the moon 500 miles from home at 3AM….Winter. Not yet here…..
I guess I always pissed facing east?

Did you look close over its shoulder? Some shit goin on there way back. Time to die.

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nines09  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:44:44pm

re: #296 allegro

I have great hydraulics……

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petesh  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:44:49pm

re: #275 JordanRules

Long, long but good, good!

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Me want give more updings

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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:47:12pm

re: #283 JordanRules

Wish I could loan you mine. Nice work around tho!

My dingers hath returnth. You got the first.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:47:55pm

So I guess Trumps plan is to fire Rosenstein and replace him with someone who will fire Mueller?

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nines09  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:48:41pm

re: #303 whitebeach

Things I’ve seen….Got a day week?

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William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:49:20pm

re: #298 KGxvi

I just try to live my life in a way that will hopefully leave the world a better place when I’m gone.

That, in the end, is the essence of Christianity. If only we all lived that way…

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Teukka  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:51:39pm

re: #264 William Lewis

Thinking deeper about your comment above, only thing I would add (after walk humbly with God), albeit not strictly scriptural is. “Leave this third rock from the Sun better than you found it.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:54:05pm

A very good friend of mine has a stoner brother who likes to come by randomly and without notice, no matter how many times she tells him not too.

Guess who just showed up for dinner?

Sigh…

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William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:55:28pm

re: #310 Teukka

Thinking deeper about your comment above, only thing I would add (after walk humbly with God), albeit not strictly scriptural is. “Leave this third rock from the Sun better than you found it.”

see 309 :D

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:56:04pm

re: #271 Brian J.

I don’t think we’re that far away in what we propose. I would also ignore them, and I wouldn’t waste public money on them. Do white rural Christians want roads? Hospitals? Schools? Electricity? Internet service? Airports? Then they shouldn’t be asked/allowed to mooch on people and a system that they hate.

I am getting really sick and tired of this “white rural christian” bullshit and all of us in the non-urban areas getting the blame ALL THE FREAKING TIME.

White rural folks do not have the monopoly on stupidity and voting against their own interests.

And I am beyond sick and tired of remedies like yours: let them all just die because that’s what “they” voted for.

Bull*fucking*shit.

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Teukka  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:56:49pm

re: #312 William Lewis

see 309 :D

Dern. He beat me to it. GMTA and all that *tips hat to KGxvi*

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:57:05pm

re: #311 Eclectic Cyborg

A very good friend of mine has a stoner brother who likes to come by randomly and without notice, no matter how many times she tells him not too.

Guess who just showed up for dinner?

Sigh…

If he brought me a tasty pipeload I would feed him. I do that rather frequently with a couple of neighbors. :)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 4:58:28pm

re: #315 allegro

Unfortunately, his addiction of choice is painkillers. Nice enough dude when he’s not high but…

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:00:21pm

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am getting really sick and tired of this “white rural christian” bullshit and all of us in the non-urban areas getting the blame ALL THE FREAKING TIME.

White rural folks do not have the monopoly on stupidity and voting against their own interests.

And I am beyond sick and tired of remedies like yours: let them all just die because that’s what “they” voted for.

Bull*fucking*shit.

THAT’S the splash damage I was talking about. Know it well first hand living in Texas, a state which is home to millions of liberals. When we’re trying to get to those who don’t vote because they see both sides the same and voting doesn’t matter this attitude undermines the whole message we need to get out there.

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:01:06pm

re: #316 Eclectic Cyborg

Unfortunately, his addiction of choice is painkillers. Nice enough dude when he’s not high but…

Oh. Neverrrrrrr mind.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:02:58pm

re: #316 Eclectic Cyborg

Unfortunately, his addiction of choice is painkillers. Nice enough dude when he’s not high but…

That’s not a stoner, it’s a junkie. Big difference.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:04:43pm

re: #319 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That’s not a stoner, it’s a junkie. Big difference.

Ah, point taken. Yeah, this dude is definitely in the latter category. On track to be dead before 40 unless he cleans up.

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dangerman  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:05:31pm

re: #278 Blind Frog Belly White

“Ah kin eat fifteh aigs.”

Why not 35?…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:06:42pm

re: #321 dangerman

Why not 35?…

“Seemed lahk a good round numbah.”

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:07:03pm

We have to get to a place in America where Ayn Rand is as taboo and despised as Marx is. (And Marx’s important insights reconsidered.)

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Old Liberal  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:07:10pm

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am getting really sick and tired of this “white rural christian” bullshit and all of us in the non-urban areas getting the blame ALL THE FREAKING TIME.

White rural folks do not have the monopoly on stupidity and voting against their own interests.

And I am beyond sick and tired of remedies like yours: let them all just die because that’s what “they” voted for.

Bull*fucking*shit.

White rural folk here. No, we don’t have a monopoly but we are majority shareholders. Time for me to get out. Selling my final properties this year. The smart ones left long ago (including me). I came back to a place I no longer recognize. Going somewhere that looks to the future with hope. Tired of all the after-church gunfire and meth heads.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:09:30pm

These motherfuckers gotta go:

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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:12:05pm

re: #325 Barefoot Grin

These motherfuckers gotta go:

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If Republicans start politicising FBI agents, the shit will hit the fan in a big way. I doubt that’s a door they want to open.

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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:12:41pm

re: #326 MsJ

If Republicans start politicising FBI agents, the shit will hit the fan in a big way. I doubt that’s a door they want to open.

Of course, they collectively have the IQ of a fern, so there’s that.

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Citizen K  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:14:14pm

re: #325 Barefoot Grin

re: #326 MsJ

re: #327 MsJ

This is probably where that private force that Erik Prince is supposed to be helping with will probably come into play. They’re preparing for a full autocracy with zero accountability.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:15:22pm

re: #307 Eclectic Cyborg

So I guess Trumps plan is to fire Rosenstein and replace him with someone who will fire Mueller?

Slate had an article that said he could fire Rosenhstein and replace him with someone who will get in the way of Mueller’s every move. This would also take away any of Mueller’s ability to do everything in secret, because the new boss would know what was happening. Sounds like obstruction to me, but that would be why trump would do it.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:16:15pm

re: #315 allegro

Heh! I also have that kind of exchange with some friends. They know they will get a good meal so they bring dessert!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:17:53pm

re: #324 Old Liberal

White rural folk here. No, we don’t have a monopoly but we are majority shareholders. Time for me to get out. Selling my final properties this year. The smart ones left long ago (including me). I came back to a place I no longer recognize. Going somewhere that looks to the future with hope. Tired of all the after-church gunfire and meth heads.

I’m here and I’m staying put. Nobody is gonna run me out or shame me into leaving.
I will fight until the bitter end and be their worst nightmare.

Oh, and I *AM* one of the smart ones, thank you very much.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:18:05pm

re: #293 Stanley Sea

So cool! She is amazing!

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:19:11pm
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MsJ  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:19:17pm

re: #325 Barefoot Grin

These motherfuckers gotta go:

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Nunes. Not even remotely surprised.

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Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:19:45pm

re: #329 I Would Prefer Not To

Slate had an article that said he could fire Rosenhstein and replace him with someone who will get in the way of Mueller’s every move. This would also take away any of Mueller’s ability to do everything in secret, because the new boss would know what was happening. Sounds like obstruction to me, but that would be why trump would do it.

That’s a level of cleverness that Trump has simply not demonstrated. If he possessed if, he wouldn’t have fired Comey in the first place. No, his decaying mind is convinced that the investigation is going nowhere and hurting his presidency, so ending immediately will be the goal.

336
A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:20:11pm

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am getting really sick and tired of this “white rural christian” bullshit and all of us in the non-urban areas getting the blame ALL THE FREAKING TIME.

White rural folks do not have the monopoly on stupidity and voting against their own interests.

And I am beyond sick and tired of remedies like yours: let them all just die because that’s what “they” voted for.

Bull*fucking*shit.

Mega churches need megapopulations to sustain themselves. Rural alone won’t cut it.

337
wheat-dogg  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:21:05pm

re: #326 MsJ

If Republicans start politicising FBI agents, the shit will hit the fan in a big way. I doubt that’s a door they want to open.

They may find the FBI knows more about them than their wives do, for example.

338
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:21:08pm

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m here and I’m staying put. Nobody is gonna run me out or shame me into leaving.
I will fight until the bitter end and be their worst nightmare.

Oh, and I *AM* one of the smart ones, thank you very much.

When the Derpocalypse has come and gone, and rural America is a smoldering wasteland, I’ll still be here, with my bottle of whiskey in hand, and I’ll still be saying, “Take your Prosperity Gospel and shove it up y’all’s ass.”

339
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:21:16pm

wondering exactly to what liberal utopia, where there are no stupid voters, all these “smart ones” who left the rural areas went…

340
gocart mozart  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:23:05pm
341
William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:23:40pm

re: #336 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Mega churches need megapopulations to sustain themselves. Rural alone won’t cut it.

Even the big cities aren’t supporting enough of them anymore.

342
A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:23:49pm

re: #337 wheat-dogg

They may find the FBI knows more about them than their wives do, for example.

Or can find it out right quick.

343
JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:23:59pm
344
teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:24:52pm
345
A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:25:34pm

re: #341 William Lewis

Even the big cities aren’t supporting enough of them anymore.

I trust you approve of nonsupport?

346
Romantic Heretic  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:26:48pm

re: #251 Eclectic Cyborg

Had this scene stuck in my head. Just replace Palpatine with Trump and Yoda with Warner:

[Embedded content]

Video

That was the point I knew both sides were fucked. The Republic was using clones. The Trade Federation was using droids.

Neither could find citizens to fight for them.

When a nation’s citizens cannot or will not fight for their nation that nation is doomed.

347
gocart mozart  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:30:24pm
348
Dave In Austin  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:30:37pm

Well alrighty then!!
Mr Spanky and the Hipthrusters!!

Mr Spankey and the Hipthrusters

349
William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:31:32pm

re: #338 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

When the Derpocalypse has come and gone, and rural America is a smoldering wasteland, I’ll still be here, with my bottle of whiskey in hand, and I’ll still be saying, “Take your Prosperity Gospel and shove it up y’all’s ass.”

Sword in one hand, revolver in the other, shot glass of whiskey on top of my bible & prayer book; I’m a fundamentalist’s nightmare walking.

I need a nice union blue kepi too…

350
Romantic Heretic  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:31:51pm

re: #250 William Lewis

Always think of this when I read this type of thing.

Ambassador G’Kar: “We Are One”

351
whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:33:00pm

/re: #346 Romantic Heretic

When a nation’s citizens cannot or will not fight for their nation that nation is doomed.

Or maybe the war is just wrong. Or maybe the nation isn’t even under attack in the first place. Or both.

352
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:33:20pm

re: #349 William Lewis

Sword in one hand, revolver in the other, shot glass of whiskey on top of my bible & prayer book; I’m a fundamentalist’s nightmare walking.

I need a nice union blue kepi too…

You, me, and BWS. We’ll hold the line while everyone else retreats.

[Raises glass.]

353
BeachDem  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:33:46pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

just look at the dead stares of Ivanka & Jared…

Well, they don’t belong there in the first place so…(they’re probably trying to “architect” how they’re going to spend their newfound riches)

354
William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:34:22pm

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

wondering exactly to what liberal utopia, where there are no stupid voters, all these “smart ones” who left the rural areas went…

Eh, they’re the ones always moving into places like Madison or Austen and finding that living in a diverse seriously liberal place isn’t always the sweetness and light they wanted to believe. I’ve lived both; as the saying goes, pluses & minuses. If I could get a Madison job while living in Hayward? Now that would be nice…

355
VegasGolfer  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:34:33pm

re: #343 JordanRules

Seems like a lot of parties were complicit by either action or inaction of putting trump in the white house. And there aren’t enough people sounding the alarm of what happened or who are fine in what is happening.
Its time to start looking for other places to live, I’m starting to feel like not living out the best years of my life living in the birthplace of an new authoritarian government.
Just have to start researching what the best place to move.

356
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:34:58pm

re: #336 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Mega churches need megapopulations to sustain themselves. Rural alone won’t cut it.

my county is one of top five largest counties in terms of geographic size.
Our population is just under 14,000.
40% of the population here receives some form of government benefit.
Our poverty level is a little over 30%; median household income is ~$28,000.
We have more than 100 churches (mostly “non-denominational”, which pretty much means TAX LOOPHOLE!!!)
Latest census indicates that the vast majority (and I’m talking more than 3/4) are self-identified as non-religious.
We were the last county to abandon the Whig Party (what a claim to fame!)
We were never a slave state and, in fact, were a stronghold of abolitionists (John Gregg Fee had a church in my county back in the day). My own farm was a huge part of the Underground Railroad.

We here in TheBackwoods are nothing if not an exercise in contradictions.

357
William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:35:48pm

re: #345 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I trust you approve of nonsupport?

I have a bucket of crocodile tears for them.

358
petesh  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:36:01pm

re: #356 Backwoods_Sleuth

How does your county tend to vote?

359
Dave In Austin  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:36:13pm

Obese Opossum moment

Facebook Post

360
JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:38:42pm

re: #355 VegasGolfer

Indeed. A whole lot were complicit!

361
Romantic Heretic  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:39:30pm

re: #263 KGxvi

Much like those who follow Socrates and those who follow Plato.

Socrates is the Christ figure of Western philosophy and Plato is the carnival barker who told us how to think about the Christ figure.

One was doubtful and more concerned with wisdom that truth. The other concerned with power for only through power can the Truth™ be spread.

In both cases the martyr would probably recant the carnival barker except they were dead.

362
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:39:36pm

re: #352 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

You, me, and BWS. We’ll hold the line while everyone else retreats.

[Raises glass.]

*clink*!

363
teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:39:59pm

Your WTF useless fact of the day.

364
Romantic Heretic  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:40:16pm

re: #247 Barefoot Grin

In our society dissent is not regarded as an honourable trait.

365
JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:40:27pm
366
whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:41:53pm

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

wondering exactly to what liberal utopia, where there are no stupid voters, all these “smart ones” who left the rural areas went…

There’s this block on West 16th Street in Manhattan. Actually just part of the block. Actually just one building. Actually just the garden apartment in that building. But I don’t live there anymore so it’s probably not so perfect these days.

367
JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:45:50pm

Lizards? What say you?

Casino comes to mind for me on first thought.

368
darthstar  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:46:36pm

Movie break earlier was the right call. Watched The Kingsman : Golden Circle. Wasn’t anywhere near as good as the first movie…mostly because in the first one I didn’t expect all the goo-gads. But it was entertaining all the same.

369
darthstar  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:47:02pm

re: #367 JordanRules

Lizards? What say you?

[Embedded content]

Casino comes to mind for me on first thought.

Reds

370
teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:47:18pm

re: #367 JordanRules

The Godfather Part II.

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darthstar  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:47:42pm

re: #363 teleskiguy

Your WTF useless fact of the day.

[Embedded content]

And Republicans still won’t have been able to fully repeal Obamacare.

372
Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:48:03pm

re: #368 darthstar

Also Samuel L Jackson was highly entertaining in the first one.

373
JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:48:04pm

re: #369 darthstar

Strong agree on this flick.

374
gocart mozart  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:48:13pm
375
I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:48:36pm

re: #367 JordanRules

Lizards? What say you?

[Embedded content]

Casino comes to mind for me on first thought.

Patton. Not a great film, but I can watch it over and over for George C.

376
Unshaken Defiance  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:48:52pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

Steve Scalise is “braver than all of us?”

Getting shot makes him “brave?”

Well then Trayvon Martin is the bravest of all. Punched a confrontational bigot in the noee and got shot to death for his troubles.

377
JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:48:57pm

re: #374 gocart mozart

That’s fine Suzy and seems Warner thinks it is too boo!

378
darthstar  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:49:39pm

re: #375 I Would Prefer Not To

Patton. Not a great film, but I can watch it over and over for George C.

Papillon was a long film, but a good film.

379
Dizzy  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:50:01pm

re: #367 JordanRules

The 10 Commandments.

380
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:50:05pm

re: #358 petesh

How does your county tend to vote?

my county tends to not vote much. Essentially it’s Republican (the Democratic Party here very small, generally elderly, and for the most part ineffective…matter of fact, they asked me to change party affiliation to take over the county chair when the previous one died, but I declined, so another Republican took over instead).
Pretty much all county offices are decided in the (closed) primary election, so I stay registered as a Republican to be able to vote against the Libertarians pretending to be Republicans (and the other *constitutional* loons).
It would really help if absentee voting rules in Kentucky were less strict. More people would vote then because weather here on election day is definitely a factor on turnout.

For the curious who may be wondering…

VXzQk9B4jNW7mOq9w3j/XLAnwha3IFhiMdBqQ2Ds50eUbYhuTnup0bTRXep3PcKPH9Zucu35AOi6TfeVrw2RC4NhF1c/K7TMtp8js2o8KGzFjQdrsOcqow7QfuT6S2Bg

381
Barefoot Grin  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:50:33pm

re: #359 Dave In Austin

Obese Opossum moment

[Embedded content]

…can be sung to the tune of “Guantanamera.”….

382
Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:50:36pm

I wonder how long a Christmas break Muellers team gets?

383
teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:50:55pm

Jann sold his baby.

384
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:51:26pm

re: #367 JordanRules

Lizards? What say you?

[Embedded content]

Casino comes to mind for me on first thought.

The Ten Commandments. Say what you will about Charlton Heston and his career as head of the NRA, but as Moses, he still strikes an imposing figure, and opposite Yul Brenner? Woof.

385
petesh  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:51:33pm

re: #367 JordanRules

Lizards? What say you?

Fellini Satyricon. I’ve seen it 3 times in 2 languages under varying influences. Looking forward to the 4th.

386
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:53:35pm

re: #367 JordanRules

Lizards? What say you?

[Embedded content]

Casino comes to mind for me on first thought.

Ben Hur

387
William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:53:49pm

re: #367 JordanRules

Lizards? What say you?

[Embedded content]

Casino comes to mind for me on first thought.

Lord of the Rings, extended edition, all three, one nice long day…

388
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:54:30pm

re: #387 William Lewis

Lord of the Rings, extended edition, all three, one nice long day…

I had several nerd sleepovers involving an extended LotR marathon. I can’t disagree with this.

389
whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:54:37pm

re: #385 petesh

Fellini Satyricon. I’ve seen it 3 times in 2 languages under varying influences. Looking forward to the 4th.

Winner.

Much as I hate to, I’ve gotta toss in Gone with the Wind.

390
Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:55:53pm

re: #367 JordanRules

Um… you know this guy is one of the writers for one of the craziest far right blogs, Ace of Spades, right?

391
allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:56:23pm

All I can come up with is operas. They are all overly long and so many of them worth it.

I’ll show myself out now.

392
gocart mozart  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:56:32pm
393
Romantic Heretic  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:56:56pm

re: #365 JordanRules

It’s not like the yam gives a shit. It’s not his ass on the line.

394
allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:57:47pm

re: #391 allegro

All I can come up with is operas. They are all overly long and so many of them worth it.

I’ll show myself out now.

Oh wait, there is one: Amadeus.

395
Barefoot Grin  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:58:11pm

re: #367 JordanRules

Lizards? What say you?

[Embedded content]

Casino comes to mind for me on first thought.

“Rashomon”

396
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:58:17pm

re: #390 Charles Johnson

Um… you know this guy is one of the writers for one of the craziest far right blogs, Ace of Spades, right?

Aw, really? And it was such a good question, too. Why do you have to ruin all of our fun?

397
gocart mozart  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:58:17pm
398
William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 5:59:31pm

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was a guest of Uncle from Sept 82 to Feb 83 at Ft Knox down there in Kentucky. It was, as you say, very beautiful but it was not a place I’d ever be tempted to stay, unlike southern Arizona after a similar visit to Ft Huachuca.

399
petesh  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:00:46pm

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

my county tends to not vote much. Essentially it’s Republican …[Embedded content]

From a day-to-day point of view, that may be better than living in a Democratic stronghold where almost everyone has convinced themselves that, for instance, they are in no way tinged with racism, but the part of town where they mostly speak Spanish is objectively crime-ridden. They believe in social services but are a bit reluctant to pay for them and can’t we just stop those homeless people from hanging around looking ugly?

I exaggerate. A bit. But it’s hard for the fairly substantial progressive community to make headway against people who think they are progressive. Of course I have it better than most … I’m just venting. Off to a Democratic Party meeting now, of the more progressive variety. Later.

400
JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:01:04pm

re: #390 Charles Johnson

Oh God no. My bad!

401
nines09  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:01:21pm

Goodnight all…I was pleased to see Sammy is getting the recognition she deserves. I like it and so does she…..

”I PUT A SPELL ON YOU” - SAMANTHA FISH BAND, Jan 31, 2014

402
William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:02:46pm

re: #399 petesh

From a day-to-day point of view, that may be better than living in a Democratic stronghold where almost everyone has convinced themselves that, for instance, they are in no way tinged with racism, but the part of town where they mostly speak Spanish is objectively crime-ridden. They believe in social services but are a bit reluctant to pay for them and can’t we just stop those homeless people from hanging around looking ugly?

I exaggerate. A bit. But it’s hard for the fairly substantial progressive community to make headway against people who think they are progressive. Of course I have it better than most … I’m just venting. Off to a Democratic Party meeting now, of the more progressive variety. Later.

Sounds like you been to a few City Council meetings in Madison WI…

403
whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:04:04pm

re: #390 Charles Johnson

Um… you know this guy is one of the writers for one of the craziest far right blogs, Ace of Spades, right?

Hey, it’s like the stopped clock thing, only much rarer. Even a brain-rotted nazi staring through the bottom of an empty bottle of Mad Dog can ask an entertaining question once in a Plutonian solar year.

404
I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:07:00pm

re: #382 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how long a Christmas break Muellers team gets?

Less than Trump’s

405
VegasGolfer  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:11:01pm

Maddow just said Susan Collins wont get her end of the deal for her vote on the tax bill.
LMAO, like anyone thought republicans would act honorably even among their own.

406
gocart mozart  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:11:27pm

This is not a parody of a rich douche bag

407
Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:11:30pm

re: #367 JordanRules

Lizards? What say you?

[Embedded content]

Casino comes to mind for me on first thought.

The Longest Day. Honestly named.

408
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:13:27pm

re: #367 JordanRules

Lizards? What say you?

[Embedded content]

Casino comes to mind for me on first thought.

409
petesh  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:13:50pm

re: #402 William Lewis

Sounds like you been to a few City Council meetings in Madison WI…

Probably so. Maybe Berkeley too.

410
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:16:09pm

re: #374 gocart mozart

411
Cheechako  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:16:22pm

re: #367 JordanRules

Dr. Zhivago

412
Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:17:24pm

re: #411 Cheechako

Dr. Zhivago

Omar Sharif aged without benefit of makeup.

413
teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:17:48pm

Giphy

414
Interesting Times  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:22:56pm

Look at that number. 2017 continues to drunkenly, crunkenly fuck with us all:

415
whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:23:36pm

re: #407 Decatur Deb

The Longest Day. Honestly named.

2001: A Space Odyssey. Great movie but when I bought the ticket I didn’t know the year was gonna be the running time.

416
The Vicious Babushka  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:24:46pm

re: #367 JordanRules

Lizards? What say you?

[Embedded content]

Casino comes to mind for me on first thought.

417
Brian J.  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:24:55pm

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am getting really sick and tired of this “white rural christian” bullshit and all of us in the non-urban areas getting the blame ALL THE FREAKING TIME.

White rural folks do not have the monopoly on stupidity and voting against their own interests.

And I am beyond sick and tired of remedies like yours: let them all just die because that’s what “they” voted for.

Bull*fucking*shit.

They do vote for it, by immense majorities, 75, 80, 85 percent of the vote year after year. And no other racial or ethnic group responds to adversity by backing racists who loot the poor. Only wypipo.

They did vote for this. We’ve explained it to them. *They’ve* explained it to them.

418
Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:25:21pm

re: #415 whitebeach

2001: A Space Odyssey. Great movie but when I bought the ticket I didn’t know the year was gonna be the running time.

Saw it in a first-run theatre with a 3 yr old and 5 yr old.

419
whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:28:02pm

re: #418 Decatur Deb

Saw it in a first-run theatre with a 3 yr old and 5 yr old.

Both of them the same kid, right?

420
Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:29:30pm

re: #419 whitebeach

Both of them the same kid, right?

Heh. Their little eyes really went stoner during the Jupiter approach sequence.

421
Brian J.  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:29:43pm

re: #338 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

When the Derpocalypse has come and gone, and rural America is a smoldering wasteland, I’ll still be here, with my bottle of whiskey in hand, and I’ll still be saying, “Take your Prosperity Gospel and shove it up y’all’s ass.”

There are a thousand preppers saying the same thing in your neck of the woods, with slight variations on how TEOTWAWKI will happen. All of you are wrong.

422
Kilroy was here  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:32:41pm

re: #367 JordanRules

The Right Stuff
3 hours 13 minutes

423
teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:33:07pm

re: #421 Brian J.

All of you are wrong.

Anything else, asshole?

424
Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:33:24pm

re: #422 Kilroy was here

The Right Stuff

And not a minute wasted.

425
nowherenorth2  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:36:30pm

re: #367 JordanRules

Blade runner. Or akira

426
Kragar  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:37:58pm

re: #425 nowherenorth2

Blade runner. Or akira

You’ve got to allow just one solid hour of “TETSUO! KANEDA!” being yelled back and forth.

427
whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:38:43pm

re: #422 Kilroy was here

The Right Stuff
3 hours 13 minutes

Shit, it seemed like 1 hour 35 min to me.

428
Kilroy was here  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:39:49pm

re: #367 JordanRules

It’s a Mad Mad Mad Mad World

3 hours 25 minutes of fun

It’s a Mad Mad Mad World - Trailer

429
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:40:09pm

re: #414 Interesting Times

Look at that number. 2017 continues to drunkenly, crunkenly fuck with us all:

[Embedded content]

perfecto

430
nowherenorth2  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:40:26pm

re: #426 Kragar

In the original dub, the original Japanese, or the most recent translation and dub

431
Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:41:08pm

re: #428 Kilroy was here

It’s a Mad Mad Mad Mad World

3 hours 25 minutes of fun

[Embedded content]

Tough one—full of brilliant shtick by comic giants and I’d rather set myself on fire.

432
Kragar  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:42:00pm
433
Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:42:07pm

re: #421 Brian J.

There are a thousand preppers saying the same thing in your neck of the woods, with slight variations on how TEOTWAWKI will happen. All of you are wrong.

Really, and take this in the spirit it is given.

Fuck off and take your purity pony ass with you.

434
Kilroy was here  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:42:36pm

re: #431 Decatur Deb

Tough one—full of brilliant shtick by comic giants and I’d rather set myself on fire.

Well today you can take breaks :)

435
Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:45:42pm

Dr. Strangelove—

The winter it opened I took every girl I was dating, and still can’t flip past it on the tube without getting caught.

436
Kilroy was here  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:46:06pm

re: #367 JordanRules

Das Boot (Director Cut)
4h 53min
A move that shouldn’t be watched if your likely to get depressed..
War is hell.

437
Unshaken Defiance  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:48:45pm

Now wait a minute. The premise was overlong. Not 3 hrs plus. I’ve been to 90 or 120 minute movies that might fit the description just cause they should have been 60. So…
re: #424 Decatur Deb

Agreed. Right Stuff was a full movie. Every act.

Every transformers is twice too long.

438
nowherenorth2  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:48:56pm

re: #432 Kragar

Heh that made me laugh
I was actually gonna ask to pick your brain about board and table top games kragar

439
Decatur Deb  Dec 20, 2017 • 6:49:00pm

re: #436 Kilroy was here

Das Boot (Director Cut)
4h 53min
A move that shouldn’t be watched if your likely to get depressed..
War is hell.

The ‘short’ DVD version was a good length.


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Church of the Donald-How Christian Churches Sold Their Souls To the GOP I found this to be the most threatening alliance since Fox and the GOP.politico.com When “Huckabee” made its debut on TBN last fall, it immediately became the network’s highest-rated show, with more than a million viewers for a typical ...
Unshaken Defiance
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Breathing New Life Into a Murdered Journalist’s Work In October 2017, the Maltese blogger and investigative reporter Daphne Caruana Galizia needed to go to the bank. Her account had been blocked after a government minister filed a defamation charge against her. She left her house, got into ...
Thanos
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Who Is, or Was, the Greatest Martial Artist in History?I only got to the rank of 2nd degree black belt in Chinese & American Kenpo, so I am certainly no expert. I earned all my higher belts at American Karate Studios in Northeastern Ohio, and was a competitor on ...
Samuel Vargo
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The Way We Regulate Self-Driving Cars Is Broken—here’s How to Fix It The key issue is this: the current system is built around an assumption that cars will be purchased and owned by customers. But the pioneers of the driverless world—including Waymo, Cruise, and Uber—are not planning to sell cars to ...
Thanos
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Android’s Trust Problem Isn’t Getting Better Android security is largely failing due to a smorgasbord of issues and lies. Published today, a two-year study of Android security updates has revealed a distressing gap between the software patches Android companies claim to have on their devices ...
Thanos
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Tour of the Moon in 4K Take a virtual tour of the Moon in all-new 4K resolution, thanks to data provided by NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter spacecraft. As the visualization moves around the near side, far side, north and south poles, we highlight interesting features, ...
Thanos
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Vermont Governor Signs Sweeping Gun Control Measures Vermont Gov. Phil Scott on Wednesday signed sweeping gun control measures -- including limits on the size of magazines -- that the Legislature passed last month after contentious debate. The measures:-- Raise the minimum age for gun buyers to ...
Thanos
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