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Kragar  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:02:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:03:08pm

thanks for the new thread, Charles.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:06:30pm

When Dolt 45 signs the tax bill on New Year’s Day, it’s going to remind me of the time Soupy Sales told kids on New Year’s Day to take the green pictures from Mommy’s purse and Daddy’s wallet and send the pictures to Soupy…

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wheat-dogg  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:09:09pm

Modern day robber barons

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:12:47pm

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ipsos  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:13:39pm

Maybe it’s the gingerbread ale from bar trivia tonight talking, or maybe it’s that my team won (yay us!), or who knows… but watching Rachel explain just what a cluster the implementation of the tax bill is becoming, I am increasingly optimistic that this whole thing is going to end up exploding massively in the faces of the GOP political vandals who were rushing so madly to get a “win” at all costs by an arbitrary Christmas deadline.

Who knows what kind of sloppiness will yet emerge between now and when Dotard finally sits down to sign this crap into law January 3?

All the polling seems to indicate that we have succeeded, and handsomely so, at selling a majority of the public on the understanding that this thing is a giveaway to the rich at the expense of the average Joe. The longer it sits here stinking, the more sunlight we can keep shining on it over the Christmas recess as these lawmakers all have to head home and try to avoid an angry public…I just have a feeling it will add to the restlessness that’s growing out there.

November is coming.

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gocart mozart  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:15:31pm

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

Perhaps we should be now.

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Belafon  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:19:15pm

My 17 year old wrote a collection of poems:

Here’s the paperback version.

Here’s the Kindle version.

(He’s got to figure out why he has two separate links.)

He’s my non-engineer, the 17 year old who can sometimes be much older. Discovering Daria was an important development in his life.

Edit: I also need to mention that he’s the kid who sometimes tells me he’s lacking in confidence and yet has submitted writing to four magazines for possible publication (all rejected so far) and has now put something up on Amazon. I generally reply “Well, most people are afraid to let others read their work, so it’s not entirely self-confidence you’re lacking.”

Edit 2: Formatting was destroying the links the way I originally had them pasted.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:22:02pm
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William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:22:35pm

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Dare I say, “Amen”?

< grinning, ducking, running & off to bed for the night :D >

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William Lewis  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:25:17pm

re: #8 Belafon

My 17 year old wrote a collection of poems:

Paperback: amazon.com

Kindle: amazon.com

(He’s got to figure out why he has two separate links.)

He’s my non-engineer, the 17 year old who can sometimes be much older. Discovering Daria was an important development in his life.

Ok, I bit. I’ll review them once read. Can’t be any worse than the dreck I wrote at that age…

Good night!

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Belafon  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:25:56pm

re: #11 William Lewis

Ok, I bit. I’ll review them once read. Can’t be any worse than the dreck I wrote at that age…

Good night!

Thanks. And at least his first hit wasn’t family.

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retired cynic  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:29:53pm

re: #6 ipsos

Just don’t stop pushing! Or the firehose of disinformation from the other side will drown us.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:31:51pm
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retired cynic  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:32:16pm

Since we need a simple smile this evening:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:32:55pm

oooh…I see we have another mayhem downdinger in the house tonight.

Must be our lucky day…

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:34:13pm

re: #15 retired cynic

Since we need a simple smile this evening:

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I actually get that now.

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Kragar  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:37:06pm
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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:44:17pm

My microwave died a rather frightening, sparking, screaming death last week. Got a new one that sat on the floor still in the box overnight until I felt like messing with it. There were handle holes (is there a word for those?) in the sides of the box. Princess Onyx was obsessed with those holes and wanting into that box. I was quite impressed with her concentration and persistence.

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Belafon  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:47:47pm

re: #18 Kragar

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Citizen K  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:53:14pm

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Sadly, we may be an Asshole Nation moreso because we deify assholes, precisely because they’re assholes. That’s one of the only reasons why scam artists like Trump, and pimps like Robertson selling faux-piousness, thrive in the US.

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scottslemmons  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:53:43pm

Ugh. Just got quote-tweeted by DC Comics’ alt-right-loving artist. So I may get to start mute/blocking an influx of dimwit Nazi fanboys. It’s not that I mind mute/blocking Nazis, but I wanted to go to bed soonish. :(

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Citizen K  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:55:25pm

re: #18 Kragar

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jaunte  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:56:54pm

re: #23 Citizen K

With the Trump Admin, it’s hard to tell who’s lying and who’s stupid.

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:57:07pm

re: #22 scottslemmons

Ugh. Just got quote-tweeted by DC Comics’ alt-right-loving artist. So I may get to start mute/blocking an influx of dimwit Nazi fanboys. It’s not that I mind mute/blocking Nazis, but I wanted to go to bed soonish. :(

So you will lose sleep over them? Seems to be giving them undo power over you.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:58:12pm

I received my annual Christmas newsletter from a RW Hillary-hating gun-nut friend. And his last commentary — written and mailed before the tax bill passed— was a thoughtful evisceration of the tax bill, at least the part that involved a reduction in corporate tax rates. Let us say he did not buy into the idea that increased profits would go to productive expansion that helped workers; instead it would be directed to stock buybacks, dividend increases, and more automation. At least in one area, we share similar views: it is not clear what future high-paying jobs will materialize here to replace all the jobs lost to technology and off-shoring.

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whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 7:58:59pm

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

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I don’t know, Joe, but I’d be willing to bet that right now in just about every nation where people know much about us at all, a lot of folks are saying, “Assholes.”

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retired cynic  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:01:11pm

re: #24 jaunte

With the Trump Admin, it’s hard to tell who’s lying and who’s stupid.

Why not both?

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Skip Intro  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:02:05pm

re: #26 Hecuba’s daughter

Corporate crime is going to be one of the engines of growth in the very near future.

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I cannot.  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:02:48pm

re: #26 Hecuba’s daughter

Hell, it won’t even be directed to higher dividends (which are usually really useful). Just stock buybacks (which are almost always worse than useless) and cost cutting.

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whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:02:57pm

re: #24 jaunte

With the Trump Admin, it’s hard to tell who’s lying and who’s stupid.

All of them, Katie.

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Citizen K  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:12:12pm

re: #24 jaunte

With the Trump Admin, it’s hard to tell who’s lying and who’s stupid.

Most are both, is the issue.

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mmmirele  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:17:19pm

Behind the Private sign because it’s an employer rant.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:17:30pm

re: #30 I cannot.

Hell, it won’t even be directed to higher dividends (which are usually really useful). Just stock buybacks (which are almost always worse than useless) and cost cutting.

Dividends are indeed especially helpful to retirees, and can make a real difference in their standard of living; but are usually irrelevant middle class and working class families, the people the President was pretending to help. OTOH Trump had little to do with this legislation, it is the same nonsense that any Republican president would be supporting.

Would Paul Ryan admit during his confession that it is a sin to support this legislation?

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mmmirele  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:18:54pm

re: #34 Hecuba’s daughter

Would Paul Ryan admit during his confession that it is a sin to support this legislation?

Hell no. His god Ayn Rand might smack him across the face.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:24:53pm

Hey some of us live around LA, valley side? We went from gray misty to clear cold and windy af in about an hour.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:25:44pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:29:52pm

re: #36 Unshaken Defiance

The wind is really whipping here in Koreatown. The palm tree leaves and dates started flying all over the place around 30 minutes ago!. Ah, right now the 3rd palm leaf smacked against my main room windows!

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prairiefire  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:32:49pm

re: #26 Hecuba’s daughter

Pretty heavy lifting for a Christmas newsletter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:36:45pm
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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:37:42pm

re: #33 mmmirele

The least they can do to signal they are ready to play ball in this insanely favorable and corrupt environment is what’s going down. It’s gross, expected and will have it’s own set of consequences.

I hope everything ends up better than expected for you.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:40:26pm

This is good dude. You don’t want any part of this regime.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:43:32pm

HAHAHAHA!!! Only in Nikki’s fevered dreams.

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retired cynic  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:44:17pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HAHAHAHA!!! Only in Nikki’s fevered dreams.

I bet she has ‘em.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:45:03pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:46:30pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:54:03pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:55:22pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I wonder how that ignorant savant ass feels knowing that Trump lifted the “slavery” of Obamacare from 9 million kids and 13 million adults?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:56:23pm
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makeitstop  Dec 20, 2017 • 8:57:43pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s a damned smart move. Make those who didn’t sign on explain themselves.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:00:20pm
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Belafon  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:04:30pm

re: #51 JordanRules

Welcome to America, Donald. Worshiping the president is frowned upon.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:07:42pm

re: #52 Belafon

Welcome to America, Donald. Worshiping the president is frowned upon.

I sure do remember all those right wing Pulpit Pimp Preachers repeatedly denouncing Obama calling him a “Muslim Communist Cult Leader”!

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:10:25pm

Steve Knight is my local Representative

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:10:30pm

re: #51 JordanRules

John Pavlovitz

@johnpavlovitz
They did @realDonaldTrump… They carried Tiki Torches.

Trump Can’t Believe No One’s Thrown a Parade in His Honor vanityfair.com
10:17 PM - Dec 20, 2017

Trump Can’t Believe No One’s Thrown a Parade in His Honor
This is the thanks he gets for “overhauling” the American tax system?
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The article quotes Scott Dworkin. Isn’t he a very unreliable source? Almost as bad as Louise Mensch?

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makeitstop  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:12:43pm

How…Rude.

It’s time to make these bastards pay. The ones who voted for this bill and the ones whose money funded the effort to get this bill passed. Make all of them pariahs in their communities. Constantly flood their offices with phone calls and demand town halls and one-on-one meetings. Be ready to march and rally against them. Do not let them get away for one second with pretending like they’ve done something good for the nation. And we need to figure out how to go after their donations from rich people. Fuck, demand a bill that will overturn Citizens United. Call it the “No George Soros or Union Money in Elections Act” or some such shit that’ll fool the yahoos.

And vote, motherfuckers in everything from primary to runoff, in every election from school board to president. Vote like your life depends on it because it actually fucking does.

When Democrats get back into power in 2018, and, at this point, we’re down to figuring out if they’ll just win the House or the House and Senate, they should vote to reverse all the tax cuts for the wealthy and keep the tax cuts for the middle class (even though those run out in 10 years). Shit, make those tax cuts marginally bigger. Force Trump (or Pence) to veto that.

Don’t fucking negotiate on bipartisan solutions. Republicans murdered bipartisanship in 2009. Stop trying to revive that corpse. We look like political naifs when we try to act like we’re gonna be the fair ones. Set a progressive agenda and fucking stick to it.

There are no rules anymore.

rudepundit.blogspot.com

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makeitstop  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:18:08pm
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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:19:14pm

re: #55 Hecuba’s daughter

Yes, that is correct.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:22:30pm

One of my favorite shows!

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Belafon  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:28:01pm

One of the things Democrats should do is have some of the wealthy people and business owners who came out against tax cuts and discuss where they think tax on profits and income should be.

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sagehen  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:29:17pm

re: #56 makeitstop

How…Rude.

rudepundit.blogspot.com

Don’t fucking negotiate on bipartisan solutions. Republicans murdered bipartisanship in 2009. Stop trying to revive that corpse. We look like political naifs when we try to act like we’re gonna be the fair ones. Set a progressive agenda and fucking stick to it.

Just, y’know, expect Trump to veto anything a D congress passes. Make him bitch and moan and whine about it, while the D’s make a big public fuss about the great legislation he’s rejecting; that will be the 2020 campaign ad. “Our nominee, if he has the big chair, will sign these bills into law.

And, oh yeah, no hearings for any judicial nominees until Merrick Garland sits on the Supreme Court.

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sagehen  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:30:43pm

re: #59 JordanRules

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One of my favorite shows!

You do realize that Jessica Fletcher killed all those people, framing various and sundry random locals everywhere she went.

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Kragar  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:32:06pm
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TedStriker  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:32:14pm

re: #62 sagehen

You do realize that Jessica Fletcher killed all those people, framing various and sundry random locals everywhere she went.

Not to mention that Cabot Cove must’ve been the murder capital of the US…

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Kragar  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:36:12pm

re: #64 TedStriker

~800 murders over 12 years with a population of 3k, and the cops would routinely arrest the wrong person for the crime.

Are they sure it wasn’t supposed to be in Louisiana?

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:36:19pm

re: #63 Kragar

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Preferably when all of them are indicted.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:38:51pm

Still not resolved

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sagehen  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:40:34pm

re: #60 Belafon

One of the things Democrats should do is have some of the wealthy people and business owners who came out against tax cuts and discuss where they think tax on profits and income should be.

That’ll be super-easy.

The ten richest people in America are:

Bill Gates
Jeff Bezos
Warren Buffett
Mark Zuckerberg
Larry Ellison
Michael Bloomberg
2 Kochs
Page & Brin

7 of them are D’s.

Michael Bloomberg: $40 billion.

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:40:45pm

re: #67 Stanley Sea

Still not resolved

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That’s just… damn, what an adorable couple.

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whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:42:43pm

re: #65 Kragar

~800 murders over 12 years with a population of 3k, and the cops would routinely arrest the wrong person for the crime.

Are they sure it wasn’t supposed to be in Louisiana?

Are you kidding me, laddie? Last time we only had 800 murders in 12 years was probably 1719-1731.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:43:15pm

re: #67 Stanley Sea

Still not resolved

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But the right wing already has its storyline embedded in minds throughout the nation: it was an attack by Mexicans coming in across the border. We know that the right only preaches patience if the attacker is white and not a Muslim; but a rush to judgement is in order under all other circumstances.

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makeitstop  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:44:39pm

re: #62 sagehen

You do realize that Jessica Fletcher killed all those people, framing various and sundry random locals everywhere she went.

I love that theory. It makes the sweetness of the show seem even more sinister.

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BeachDem  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:46:05pm

re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Charlie Pierce:

This is where we are at the end of 2017: a terrible, generational disaster of a tax bill being celebrated by a terrible president*, followed by a prayer”—to God or to the president*, it’s hard to say—from a crackpot neurosurgeon profoundly unqualified for the job he currently holds, and that followed by a vice president who gives soulless ass-kissers a bad name.

esquire.com

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whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:48:14pm

re: #73 BeachDem

Charlie Pierce:

This is where we are at the end of 2017: a terrible, generational disaster of a tax bill being celebrated by a terrible president*, followed by a prayer”—to God or to the president*, it’s hard to say—from a crackpot neurosurgeon profoundly unqualified for the job he currently holds, and that followed by a vice president who gives soulless ass-kissers a bad name.

esquire.com

I hate this kind of mealy-mouthed milktoast prose. Why can’t the man let it all out?

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retired cynic  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:48:32pm

re: #73 BeachDem

Charlie Pierce:

This is where we are at the end of 2017: a terrible, generational disaster of a tax bill being celebrated by a terrible president*, followed by a prayer”—to God or to the president*, it’s hard to say—from a crackpot neurosurgeon profoundly unqualified for the job he currently holds, and that followed by a vice president who gives soulless ass-kissers a bad name.

esquire.com

Ah, Charlie, don’t hold back!

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:48:38pm

re: #72 makeitstop

Ha! Was about to formulate my reply and you nailed it.

The Magnum PI crossover was so much fun.

Monk is the detective that coulda nailed Jessica tho.

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allegro  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:49:06pm

re: #72 makeitstop

I love that theory. It makes the sweetness of the show seem even more sinister.

Considering the role she made famous on Broadway in Sweeney Todd…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:51:30pm

I’m amused by Hewitt’s hubris.

GW Bush passed a huge tax cut in June of 2001, and got no boost out of it at all, so I’d be surprised if this moves the needle at all.

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whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:52:37pm

re: #72 makeitstop

I love that theory. It makes the sweetness of the show seem even more sinister.

Ssshhh. The real truth is that Barnaby’s wife is the serial Midsomer murderer. Ever notice that she’s at every one of those festivals and flower shows and lectures and little-theater events?

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Kragar  Dec 20, 2017 • 9:54:03pm

re: #79 whitebeach

I always thought it was the dog

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whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:05:03pm

re: #76 JordanRules

Monk is the detective that coulda nailed Jessica tho.

But one detective could have apprehended a murderer so diabolical. The one who exercises the little grey cells.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:05:37pm

re: #78 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m amused by Hewitt’s hubris.

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GW Bush passed a huge tax cut in June of 2001, and got no boost out of it at all, so I’d be surprised if this moves the needle at all.

But W managed to get us into a war in Iraq, regained control of both Houses, and won re-election. The Bush tax cut may not have affected anything but this one does: the donor class will donate a lot to keep the GOP in power. As long as Trump or any Republican is President, there is no way to repeal this egregious tax legislation. It probably will have to wait till 2021 to overturn it.

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whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:06:58pm

re: #80 Kragar

I always thought it was the dog

As far as I know, there has not been a single case anywhere in Midsomer involving urinary evidence.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:07:07pm

re: #76 JordanRules

Ha! Was about to formulate my reply and you nailed it.

The Magnum PI crossover was so much fun.

Monk is the detective that could nailed Jessica tho.

Columbo, too. “Ahhh, so, Ms. Fletcher, you say you were writing a chapter of your book at the time of the murder, but I notice you changed the ribbon midway through page 235 and then back again on page 237. Could you explain that, please?”

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:07:53pm

re: #80 Kragar

Ahhh yes! “Dumb Witness” Poirot made sure they got justice!

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:09:20pm

re: #81 whitebeach

D’oh!!
You got there before me!!

My absolute favorite!

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Kragar  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:11:30pm

re: #78 Blind Frog Belly White

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freetoken  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:25:40pm

I see the twitter embeds have changed again.

Now I have to go open twitter in a tab to retweet Kragar.

Is this a plan by twitter to drive even more hits to their website?

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:29:17pm

re: #87 Kragar

Hugh Hewitt

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Hugh is right in one respect: polls a year in advance are worthless; even polls that are much closer (e.g. Michigan primary) have limited value. What is more meaningful is what happened in Virginia and Alabama and other local races around the country.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:38:06pm

re: #88 freetoken

Pretty annoyed by it.

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whitebeach  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:39:18pm

re: #84 wheat-dogg

Columbo, too. “Ahhh, so, Ms. Fletcher, you say you were writing a chapter of your book at the time of the murder, but I notice you changed the ribbon midway through page 235 and then back again on page 237. Could you explain that, please?”

Nah, Columbo would never be so crude and obvious. He’d be on the way out the door, thanking Jessica for her time, then would turn and say:

“Oh, just one more thing, Ms. Fletcher, it’s kind of embarrassing even to ask. But my wife has this old typewriter, doesn’t use it much, just stuff for this class she takes, but the print is getting really hard to read. I need my glasses. So I’m wondering, maybe I oughta put in a new ribbon or something. I don’t know a thing about typewriters, but I see you use one. So maybe you could help me out here. How often do you need to change your ribbon?”

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:40:31pm

Love the work this group is doing!

When they get a new ID success story they are crazy stoked and educate folks about the process too.

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JordanRules  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:43:03pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2017 • 10:48:02pm

re: #78 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m amused by Hewitt’s hubris.

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GW Bush passed a huge tax cut in June of 2001, and got no boost out of it at all, so I’d be surprised if this moves the needle at all.

He’s right…to a point. Generic ballots now don’t mean much if we don’t capitalize on that energy. But the rest of it is total BS because the GOP is gonna take it in the ass next February when people start filing their taxes and finding out that those “massive tax cuts” don’t apply until next year. Especially when they’re opening the paper or turning on the news to hear ”We must gut ‘entitlement’ programs to spackle over the massive hole we blew in the budget…”

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Belafon  Dec 20, 2017 • 11:04:09pm

To get around laws against removing Confederate monuments, Memphis sold two of its parks to a non-profit.

One of the statues was of Forrest, the other of Jefferson Davis.

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The city of Memphis sold two public parks containing Confederate monuments to a nonprofit Wednesday in a massive, months-in-the-planning operation to take the statues down overnight.

The City Council unanimously approved the sale of Health Science Park, home of Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, and its easement on Fourth Bluff Park, home of Confederate President Jefferson Davis, for $1,000 each to Memphis Greenspace Inc. Fourth Bluff, or Memphis Park, is owned by a group called The Overton Heirs.

The sale — which is almost certain to result in a lawsuit from statue supporters — allows Greenspace to legally do what the city of Memphis cannot: Remove the statues from their visible perches in the parks, Chief Legal Officer Bruce McMullen said. He said they would be stored in an undisclosed location for security reasons.

“Health Sciences Park and Memphis Park have been sold,” Mayor Jim Strickland said in a social media post soon after the vote. Operations on those sites tonight are being conducted by a private entity and are compliant with state law. We will have further updates later tonight.”

The nonprofit, which is led by Shelby County Commissioner and attorney Van Turner, brought in a crane to remove the Forrest statue first at around 6 p.m.

Greenspace signed a contract with Strickland on Friday that requires them to continue operating the park as a park, McMullen confirmed Wednesday. He said he knew of no plans for the nonprofit to sell the parks back to the city.

h/t Balloon Juice

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 21, 2017 • 12:21:42am

Good morning, Lizards.

This is a distinctly unpleasant thing to hear about on waking up:

Australian police have arrested two people after a car drove into a crowd in Melbourne.

The car “collided with a number of pedestrians” on Flinders Street, a busy junction in the centre of the city, said Victoria Police.

The state ambulance service say 13 people have been taken to hospital. Several are in a critical condition.

Police have said it was a deliberate act but it is too early to say whether it was terrorist-related.

They have asked people to avoid the area.

The driver and another man have been detained.

The incident happened just after 16:30 local time (05:30 GMT).

bbc.com

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wheat-dogg  Dec 21, 2017 • 1:29:16am

I haz a new 27” display now, and I am verrah happy. $144 for a Chinese brand.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 21, 2017 • 1:33:30am

re: #97 wheat-dogg

I haz a new 27” display now, and I am verrah happy. $144 for a Chinese brand.

Man, that’s a nice price. Makes me wish the EU had a free trade agreement with China.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 21, 2017 • 1:51:50am

Happens to me, too. Look for one thing, can’t find it, but I find something else almost as good.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 21, 2017 • 2:12:51am

‘Sup, dude? I brought my fam to chill for a while. ‘Scool?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 21, 2017 • 2:23:12am

re: #100 wheat-dogg

A Gazelle entered a shop in the state of Colorado. The owner decided to give him some chocolate and biscuits. He left and half an hour later he came back bringing his entire family.

let this be an object lesson about why you do not give tax cuts to poor people…

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wheat-dogg  Dec 21, 2017 • 2:38:56am

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

let this be an object lesson about why you do not give tax cuts to poor people…

Or to rich people.

You know the 1% will be asking for even more breaks in short order.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 21, 2017 • 2:42:15am

re: #102 wheat-dogg

Or to rich people.

You know the 1% will be asking for even more breaks in short order.

The other point of this tax bill is to bloat the deficit so they can demand more spending cuts

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wheat-dogg  Dec 21, 2017 • 3:48:08am

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The other point of this tax bill is to bloat the deficit so they can demand more spending cuts

Yup. The Republican game plan since Reagan.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Dec 21, 2017 • 3:51:32am

When the new polls come out in a few weeks showing no real bounce at all for Trump I wonder if he will start to get the feeling he was Conned by superior Con Men in the House and Senate. Trump merely wants glory and attention above all else. The professional Con Men and Con Women he has been dealing with simply want The world and everything in it.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 21, 2017 • 3:59:05am

re: #105 Rocky-in-Connecticut

When the new polls come out in a few weeks showing no real bounce at all for Trump I wonder if he will start to get the feeling he was Conned by superior Con Men in the House and Senate. Trump merely wants glory and attention above all else. The professional Con Men and Con Women he has been dealing with simply want The world and everything in it.

The Congressional GOP used Donnie as cover to get what they wanted. Trump is not going to get the parades and glory he assumes the public will give him for this fake tax relief. It suggests that he really had no idea what was in the tax bill, and in all likelihood only parroted what his handlers told him. IOW, he’s the Great and Powerful Oz, and they are the men behind the curtain.

Sooner or later, this fact is going to penetrate his tiny brain.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 21, 2017 • 4:00:09am

So, regarding the incident earlier in Melbourne, this seems to be the latest:

The alleged driver of the car is a 32-year-old man of Afghan descent who was arrested at the scene by an off-duty police officer.

The man is known to police but there is no evidence or intelligence connecting either him or this incident to terrorism or extremism.

Police say he does have a history of drug use and mental health issues and police believe those issues are behind the incident.

Another man, 24-years-old, was arrested a short time after the incident. He was filming it on his mobile phone and was searched by police, who allegedly found knives in his bag. Police do not believe he knows the 32-year-old man or is connected in any way.

Nineteen people were injured and taken to hospital for treatment, including the alleged driver and the arresting off-duty officer.

Four people are critically injured while 15 are in a stable condition.

Police say this was a “quarantined” incident and does not increase the risk at major upcoming events like the Boxing Day test.

theguardian.com

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 21, 2017 • 4:57:00am

re: #65 Kragar

~800 murders over 12 years with a population of 3k, and the cops would routinely arrest the wrong person for the crime.

Are they sure it wasn’t supposed to be in Louisiana?

Rather reminds me of The Rifleman. This was actually one of the more peaceful of the ca. 1960 westerns, since problems were occasionally solved without resort to firearms. Even so, Lucas McCain managed to eliminate 120 bad guys during the 5 year run.

The Rifleman: The Complete Rifleman Massacre

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 21, 2017 • 5:10:06am

Since it is the shortest day of the year, I guess we are supposed to hide in our caves or something.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 21, 2017 • 5:12:00am

re: #109 Shropshire Slasher

Since it is the shortest day of the year, I guess we are supposed to hide in our caves or something.

The one thing I look forward about the Winter Solstice? The days start getting longer after today. Slowly and imperceptibly, but longer.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 21, 2017 • 5:15:16am

re: #109 Shropshire Slasher

Since it is the shortest day of the year, I guess we are supposed to hide in our caves or something.

Drink a lot of glögg, too

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 21, 2017 • 5:21:39am

re: #108 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Rather reminds me of The Rifleman. This was actually one of the more peaceful of the ca. 1960 westerns, since problems were occasionally solved without resort to firearms. Even so, Lucas McCain managed to eliminate 120 bad guys during the 5 year run.

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Must have fired 1500 rounds to reach that mark.

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 21, 2017 • 5:28:51am

re: #111 wheat-dogg

I may have to make that! Thank you!

cooking.nytimes.com

I loved this from the article:

I omitted the wine/fruit/spices and just passed out hits of ecstasy. Best party ever.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2017 • 5:29:31am

The bullshit tsunami on Faux Noise continues

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jeffreyw  Dec 21, 2017 • 5:37:57am

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Good morning!

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wheat-dogg  Dec 21, 2017 • 5:38:10am

Dame Judi Dench has a thing for trees.

theguardian.com

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 5:45:06am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2017 • 5:51:01am
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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 5:52:38am
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makeitstop  Dec 21, 2017 • 5:57:23am

So, that big AT&T announcement yesterday that they were ‘celebrating the tax cut’ by giving out $1000 bonuses?

They actually announced it last week as part of a settlement with a union. They’re blowing smoke up Trump’s butt, and he fell for it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:07:12am

Well, this sucks.

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:07:38am
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Dave In Austin  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:08:21am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:12:52am

What universe does Fox live in?

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teleskiguy  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:13:30am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:18:49am

good grief

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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:24:18am

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

Home sales are going to take a big hit because the tax scam bill harms folks living in high tax states (where more people live and drive the economy than elsewhere) will see the limitations on the mortgage interest deduction and SALT slow home sales and slow the economy generally as people are double taxed - especially on the SALT part.

The GOP hates double taxation, except where they think it’ll screw blue states most.

NJ has signaled that they’re looking at a way to mitigate the double taxation hit. Other states are going to start pushing legislation to decouple from the federal changes because it’s going to screw with state budgets in a very harsh way - and states don’t have the luxury of carrying debt as many have constitutional requirements to balance budgets annually.

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:25:57am
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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:27:53am

Nice!!!

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:34:32am

re: #118 The Vicious Babushka

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Stands in stark contrast to Obama who (wrongly, I think) let Bush-era folks off the hook for a number of things in the interest of getting the country back on track.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:34:39am
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Weaselone  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:34:44am

re: #127 lawhawk

I’m not sure how states that actually tax can avoid double taxation. They could shift the manner in which state revenue is collected, but in order for that to do more than sweep the issue under the rug, that manner of collection is going to have to provide a tax deduction.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:37:00am

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:39:03am
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nowherenorth2  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:39:16am

Happy holidays America. We takes the money as tolls. We have rolls. We dont need the tolls to get the rolls. We just want the money.

Watched men in tights last night.

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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:42:23am

re: #128 JordanRules

I was in DC last week, and saw that display. It was amazing to see all those miniatures (they’re doing a holiday display of nation’s roadside attractions - and everything, including the Smithsonian buildings and White House and other DC monuments, are all made out of plant materials).

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:43:26am

re: #24 jaunte

With the Trump Admin, it’s hard to tell who’s lying and who’s stupid.

Its not either/or. They are all stupid liars.

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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:44:14am

re: #133 The Vicious Babushka

No doubt that Kushner got him to do it. Let’s just ignore what got him in prison in the first place.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:46:29am

re: #130 Barefoot Grin

Stands in stark contrast to Obama who (wrongly, I think) let Bush-era folks off the hook for a number of things in the interest of getting the country back on track.

Obama believed that we were one nation, one people and that this action would facilitate cooperation between both sides of the political divide. He really thought he could heal us. Too bad, McConnell, Fox, and other Republicans did not share this vision or objective. We are too broken and so far there is no one in sight who can bring us back together.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:47:28am

re: #138 lawhawk

No doubt that Kushner got him to do it. Let’s just ignore what got him in prison in the first place.

It’s what Jared and his Daddy-in-Law should go to prison for.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:49:39am
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:51:06am

re: #129 JordanRules

Nice!!!

Nancy Pelosi tells House Democrats to vote no on CR package that leaves out DREAMers rollcall.com

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This is the position groups like @UNITEDWEDREAM, @IndivisibleTeam, & @MoveOn have been calling on for months, and they’ll be thrilled Pelosi’s holding the linehttps://rollcall.com
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Shouldn’t it also include CHIP?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:52:09am

re: #122 JordanRules

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:55:50am
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Sir John Barron  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:55:55am

re: #122 JordanRules

It’s time to end Chain Migration: whitehouse.gov pic.twitter.com

— The White House

Such classy very leadership presidency.
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:56:33am

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:58:15am

re: #139 Hecuba’s daughter

Obama believed that we were one nation, one people and that this action would facilitate cooperation between both sides of the political divide. He really thought he could heal us. Too bad, McConnell, Fox, and other Republicans did not share this vision or objective. We are too broken and so far there is no one in sight who can bring us back together.

Very true and sour grapes on my part. But after seeing the treatment Republicans gave him it’s hard not to be bitter.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:58:35am

re: #124 The Vicious Babushka

What universe does Fox live in?

I thought the economy was already booming thanks to Lord Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:59:00am

The point is that enough people will receive enough short-term tax relief that they will find the tax bill a great thing and continue voting GOP.

In that sense, the bill is a (political) masterpiece.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 21, 2017 • 6:59:45am

re: #146 The Vicious Babushka

Oh good grief with the post card taxes business. Never cared about that even before I started filing online.

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:00:15am

re: #142 Hecuba’s daughter

I would’ve hoped so. Maybe they have something else in mind specifically for CHIP.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:00:47am

re: #150 Sir John Barron

Oh good grief with the post card taxes business. Never cared about that even before I started filing online.

Just wait till folks realize that post card ain’t coming. And who will they blame? We know who they will blame—Pelosi!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:01:47am

Well, looks like another Christmas being furloughed and forced to work for no pay at my government job…

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:02:08am

re: #143 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oh that reform bill. I remember it.

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:05:26am
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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:05:31am

re: #146 The Vicious Babushka

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:08:39am

re: #61 sagehen

Just, y’know, expect Trump to veto anything a D congress passes. Make him bitch and moan and whine about it, while the D’s make a big public fuss about the great legislation he’s rejecting; that will be the 2020 campaign ad. “Our nominee, if he has the big chair, will sign these bills into law.

And, oh yeah, no hearings for any judicial nominees until Merrick Garland sits on the Supreme Court.

The GOP has set the standard. If the Democrats gain control of the Senate no Trump nominee to the Supreme Court should get a hearing.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:09:28am

re: #62 sagehen

You do realize that Jessica Fletcher killed all those people, framing various and sundry random locals everywhere she went.

I wish they had done that in the series finale. It would’ve been awesome!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:12:20am

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

good grief

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wheat-dogg  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:14:57am

Science disproves yet another alt-right/Odinist/America or Britain First fallacy: Anglo-Saxon is a misleading term to describe the post-Roman Empire inhabitants of the British Isles.

The people of the fifth, sixth and seventh century certainly did not think of themselves as Anglo-Saxons and would not have understood the description. Migration into the UK took place in deep prehistory, throughout the Roman and post-Roman periods - a fact which the Classicist Mary Beard was lambasted for defending on Twitter in August.

Migration then continued with Viking settlement in the ninth and eleventh centuries. Dutch and European migration into England was present throughout the middle ages and particularly pronounced in the 16th and 17th century as Flemish weavers fled religious persecution.

Today, the term Anglo-Saxon is a convenient label for those opposed to future immigration. While it collectively describes some post-Roman and early medieval culture, it has never accurately described a biological ethnicity nor an indigenous people. The DNA evidence points to an integrated people of mixed ancestry who lived side by side.

Anglo-Saxon ancestry is a modern English myth - the English are not descended from one group of people, but from many and that persists in our culture and in our genes.

theconversation.com

Researchers discovered, after analyzing medieval DNA samples, that folks back then did not apparently discriminate between Briton (aka Celtic) and Dane (aka Angle, Saxon, Jute or Viking) living within the same community. They observed a common set of cultural norms, regardless of genetic background. Much of the alleged conflict between indigenous Britons and the Germanic invaders appears to come from romantic, literary retconning (to use a term from comic fandom).

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teleskiguy  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:16:31am
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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:21:20am

Stop this bullshit talk about how you can do your taxes on a postcard.

I can make taxes simple by having the IRS prefill the tax return, and all you have to do is sign it. Tax prep firms would hate that so we don’t have that kind of simplification.

I can reduce the size of the tax return by eliminating the deductions and limitations and credits - and make you pay more tax.

The length of the tax return was never an issue. Most are using tax prep software or tax prep firms to do this work - because it takes time and organization to get your paperwork for the year together. Again, you could eliminate all this since the IRS gets wage info and even financial info from banks and brokerages and uses that info to verify what you’re entering is correct (mismatches trigger audit potentials or IRS additional review).

Again, most people file 1040EZ, which is essentially 1 page. If you itemize, you’d have additional work - and you would still need to do the calculations if you want to see if you benefit from the itemization instead of the standard deduction. That doesn’t change. In fact, it wont change under the tax scam either.

What does change is that people might end up paying more tax and not realize it right away (again, taxes are withheld and if you have to pay more on your return, you’re writing a check for additional tax paid).

Ivanka thinks that all these changes are happening for the April 2018 filing - but that’s for the 2017 tax year, which was mostly unaffected by the tax scam bill.

The changes will essentially affect tax year 2018 and forward. That means the first tax filing due date where these changes show up is April 2019.

She’s a fucking moron and liar to suggest otherwise.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:21:31am

re: #124 The Vicious Babushka

What universe does Fox live in?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:23:21am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:28:36am

re: #164 The Vicious Babushka

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:29:59am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:32:34am

re: #133 The Vicious Babushka

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dangerman  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:33:20am

as i was running this AM, a small musing about @pressec sanders:

if you are aware that most of the things you say are lies, how does your soul rest peacefully at night? after all, you are religious, not an emotionless sociopath, are you?

though if you are not aware, then you are without question the single biggest dupe on the world stage today.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:37:55am
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dangerman  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:46:17am

currently (to get through a drudge paperwork day):

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:52:42am
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William Lewis  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:52:55am

re: #170 dangerman

currently (to get through a drudge paperwork day):

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That is one of the all time greats, especially the piano solo on Swing Swing Swing - the piano player was caught off guard because he never soloed that song and as a result we got perhaps the most glorious bit of that song ever.

When you’re done with that, give this a listen.

Duke Ellington: 1940 - Live From “The Crystal Ballroom”, Fargo, North Dakota (Full Album)

Johnny Hodges on sax, Billy Strayhorn arranging & composing & Duke at the top of his game in Fargo ND. Exquisite.

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:53:50am

re: #171 JordanRules

Do they need 60 in the Senate?

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 7:55:01am

Did not know this. Wow.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:01:28am

With the Democrats up about 12-13 points in generic polling, there are up to 91 House GOP seats that are vulnerable, and the Dems only need +24 to take control of the House.

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:01:30am
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makeitstop  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:03:19am

re: #176 JordanRules

#NikkiHaley is taking a giant shit on the #UN right now

Anyone watching? What’s going on?

Is she ‘taking names’ and further wrecking alliances worldwide?

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sagehen  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:03:53am

re: #175 Big Beautiful Door

With the Democrats up about 12-13 points in generic polling, there are up to 91 House GOP seats that are vulnerable, and the Dems only need +24 to take control of the House.

I try to remain hopeful, but… the Dems do have a long sad history of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:04:25am

re: #174 JordanRules

Don’t want to go too far into it, but there is a lot of ‘nuance’ here. Our state exports prisoners to other states because of critical prison overcrowding. The majority of those prisoners have not lost their voting rights. As a result, our prisoners may, and sometimes do, vote “absentee” from their prisons.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:05:05am

re: #176 JordanRules

So, every country must rubber-stamp every U.S. move because $$$?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:05:34am

re: #178 sagehen

I try to remain hopeful, but… the Dems do have a long sad history of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

I will be happy if they hold their own…again, the tax reform will give enough people enough short-term relief and they will believe pronouncements that the economy is on its was to booming and the only thing holding it back is government meddling in the economy through labor, health and safety regulations

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:06:00am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:06:04am

re: #180 Sir John Barron

So, every country must rubber-stamp every U.S. move because $$$?

or pay up, yes. that is a message that plays well with the GOP base

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:06:06am

re: #179 Decatur Deb

Indeed and Vann would certainly agree and always writes his pieces with the appropriate nuances in consideration.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:06:24am

re: #180 Sir John Barron

So, every country must rubber-stamp every U.S. move because $$$?

That’s the Trump Way of getting things done: bribes & threats.

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Citizen K  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:06:59am
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:07:37am

re: #178 sagehen

I try to remain hopeful, but… the Dems do have a long sad history of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

This year Democrats have been running about 10 points ahead of Clinton on average, so unless the national political environment for Republicans improves significantly, it would be difficult for the Democrats to screw this up.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:09:10am

re: #182 The Vicious Babushka

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Alabama is renowned for its poltically powerful Muslim and Marxist communities.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:11:08am

re: #187 Big Beautiful Door

This year Democrats have been running about 10 points ahead of Clinton on average, so unless the national political environment for Republicans improves significantly, it would be difficult for the Democrats to screw this up.

Hold mah beer.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:12:00am

re: #127 lawhawk

How about a law or Constitutional Amendment stating that each state must be revenue/distribution neutral. That would introduce a large bit of reality for all those Trump/Republican/Tea Party/alt-white voters in Red states that rely on Blue state tax dollars for their own budgets to stay afloat.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:12:32am

re: #186 Citizen K

Reason #21849 why it would be a great thing for Dems to win control of at least one House of Congress.

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sagehen  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:12:40am

re: #181 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I will be happy if they hold their own…again, the tax reform will give enough people enough short-term relief and they will believe pronouncements that the economy is on its was to booming and the only thing holding it back is government meddling in the economy through labor, health and safety regulations

As was once said of Yasser Arafat… “they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:12:49am

Remind me again why everyone thinks Ivanka ISN’T the dumb one.

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dangerman  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:13:06am

re: #172 William Lewis

When you’re done with that, give this a listen.

Johnny Hodges on sax, Billy Strayhorn arranging & composing & Duke at the top of his game in Fargo ND. Exquisite.

wilco

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:14:14am
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Sir John Barron  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:14:18am

re: #185 The Vicious Babushka

That’s the Trump Way of getting things done: bribes & threats.

From now on, each day at the UN should consist of each country paying proper obeisance to the U.S. and especially Lord Trump, without whose gracious benevolence the other stupid countries wouldn’t exist.
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:15:59am

re: #188 Big Beautiful Door

Alabama is renowned for its poltically powerful Muslim and Marxist communities.

Also, according to Moore, “Black Christians” are not really Christian.

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:16:26am

re: #193 Blind Frog Belly White

People also often forget to mention her when we speculate on folks going to jail. She’s just as shady as Uday and Qusay.

Lock her up.

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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:18:29am

re: #190 Rocky-in-Connecticut

How about a law or Constitutional Amendment stating that each state must be revenue/distribution neutral. That would introduce a large bit of reality for all those Trump/Republican/Tea Party/alt-white voters in Red states that rely on Blue state tax dollars for their own budgets to stay afloat.

That’s already the case - but the states get around it because the federal revenue allows them to balance the books. During the great recession, the ARRA of 2009 actually included bailouts to states because they would have seen massive budget deficits as a result of collapsing revenues in violation of state law that would have triggered deep and painful service cuts.

What you’re suggesting is that the states modify their law to segregate spending/budgeting to be revenue neutral without federal spending. On that point, you’d get pushback from most states, since many are not revenue neutral without federal revenues filling in. That goes for states like NY and NJ that send more to feds than get back. Everyone balances the budgets with federal assist. It’s just that that the majority of red states benefit from federal revenues to balance the books on the backs of blue states that send more tax revenue to the feds than they get back.

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makeitstop  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:18:45am

re: #198 JordanRules

People also often forget to mention her when we speculate on folks going to jail. She’s just as shady as Uday and Qusay.

Lock her up.

Yep. Let’s remember that only a bribe to the Manhattan DA saved her from a fraud indictment.

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sagehen  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:21:17am
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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:22:32am

re: #197 The Vicious Babushka

Also, according to Moore, “Black Christians” are not really Christian.

It gets underplayed, but to “nondenomination,” “evangelical” churches, any Christian that doesn’t vote according along reactionary conservative lines isn’t a Christian.

Every time they talk about the pre-eminence of “Christianity” in the USA, or about restoring “Christianity” as a cultural institution, they’re excluding every exegesis that doesn’t cleave to their weird mix of free-for-all interpretation by a small number of charismatic figures (that more than a bit cult-ish), sacred venality, and gleeful anticipation of the Apocalypse.

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Citizen K  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:23:47am

re: #197 The Vicious Babushka

Also, according to Moore, “Black Christians” are not really Christian.

You have to be considered a person to be considered a Christian, and we know what Moore probably thinks of ‘colored’ folks.

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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:24:01am

re: #201 sagehen

Those amounts are per year that this scam is in place.

That’s 11-15 million each year that this is in place. Even if the income tax rate cut sunsets, Trump profits, because most of his income is tied to passthroughs.

Same for the rest; most of their income is not wages, but investment income, which is taxed lower, or via passthroughs. They make out like bandits.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:24:30am

re: #62 sagehen

You do realize that Jessica Fletcher killed all those people, framing various and sundry random locals everywhere she went.

Absolutely! Diabolically clever and as evil as she was charming.

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:25:33am
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Citizen K  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:25:53am

re: #195 JordanRules

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:31:21am

re: #136 lawhawk

I was in DC last week, and saw that display. It was amazing to see all those miniatures (they’re doing a holiday display of nation’s roadside attractions - and everything, including the Smithsonian buildings and White House and other DC monuments, are all made out of plant materials).

What an awesome experience. I want to get to DC to visit the NMAAHC in the most urgent way!

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sagehen  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:31:39am
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:32:01am

re: #189 Decatur Deb

Hold mah beer.

Be optimistic; you just helped make a miracle happen!

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:34:24am

re: #64 TedStriker

Not to mention that Cabot Cove must’ve been the murder capital of the US…

Remember a lot of those murders happened in places she travelled to.

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:34:28am

And the fallout and reactions begin trickling in…

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:35:18am

re: #197 The Vicious Babushka

Also, according to Moore, “Black Christians” are not really Christian.

Back when there was slavery, they were real Christians; now they’re too uppity, I guess.///

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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:35:48am

Fucking moron is gleeful that idiot AG is caving to his pressure to push another pointless investigation into Clinton:

Of course Shep Smith had something to say about this Uranium One bullshit too. He called out Hannity for pushing this.

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Citizen K  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:36:25am

Trump has truly internalized the godawful “God King” hyperbole from the Reddit and Channer crowds.

Then again, I’m pretty sure mainstream Republicans have internalized it, and I’m not sure just how ‘ironic’ the label was coming from the Channer crowd at this point, if it was ever intended as ‘ironic’.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:38:38am

re: #211 Jebediah, RBG

Remember a lot of those murders happened in places she travelled to.

The most brazen serial killer in American history!

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Bubblehead II  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:41:21am

re: #214 lawhawk

Fucking moron is gleeful that idiot AG is caving to his pressure to push another pointless investigation into Clinton:

Of course Shep Smith had something to say about this Uranium One bullshit too. He called out Hannity for pushing this.

Youtube has terminated the account.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:42:59am

re: #210 Big Beautiful Door

Be optimistic; you just helped make a miracle happen!

Channelling the slave who rides the triumphal chariot of the Roman general.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:46:01am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:47:54am
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Lupin  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:49:02am

re: #212 JordanRules

And the fallout and reactions begin trickling in…

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Will you kindly speed up the destruction of your country so that rest of us can continue to go on as before? This Mugabe-on-meth show is getting painful and tiresome.

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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:49:48am

When Trump says in the video there will be a giant present for American taxpayers, I think of the present my smaller dog leaves in the kitchen floor sometimes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:50:29am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:50:52am

re: #222 BlueSpotinAL

When Trump says in the video there will be a giant present for American taxpayers, I think of the present my smaller dog leaves in the kitchen floor sometimes.

the bigger the (potential) taxpayer, the bigger the present. And fuck the 47%.

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Citizen K  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:51:38am

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

And the worst thing is just how much our popular culture has consistently defined Christianity by evangelicalism. It is literally treated as THE only proper form of Christianity on the large scale. You aren’t seen as properly ‘Christian’ by default unless you hate or condescend to the poors enough

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:55:49am

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:56:38am

She is just as dumb and evil as Donny Jr and Eric.

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:57:26am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:57:30am
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:57:47am

re: #227 The Vicious Babushka

She is just as dumb and evil as Donny Jr and Eric.

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She is evil because she is lying; she is dumb because eliminating the national debt is a really bad idea.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:58:14am

re: #227 The Vicious Babushka

By eliminating the US…

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 8:58:30am

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ha! Stephanie gives me so much life these days!

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Bass Reeves  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:00:32am

re: #208 JordanRules

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makeitstop  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:01:32am

I love this.

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makeitstop  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:04:00am

I just got an email from change.org with a petition to Bob Iger asking Disney to make Leia and official Disney princess.

Slow day over there, I guess.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:05:10am

re: #235 makeitstop

I just got an email from change.org with a petition to Bob Iger asking Disney to make Leia and official Disney princess.

Slow day over there, I guess.

disney’s first cokehead princess?

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:06:34am

re: #233 Bass Reeves

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dangerman  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:12:16am

re: #227 The Vicious Babushka

She is just as dumb and evil as Donny Jr and Eric.

Ivanka Trump: Tax cuts and deregulation will ‘ultimately eliminate the national debt’ read.bi

we gonna pay off all maturing t-notes, bills and bonds and stop issuing them?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:12:20am
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gocart mozart  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:13:17am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:14:43am

re: #238 dangerman

we gonna pay off all maturing t-notes, bills and bonds and stop issuing them?

Declare bankruptcy and walk away. It’s the Trump way.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:17:01am
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dangerman  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:19:12am

re: #241 The Vicious Babushka

Declare bankruptcy and walk away. It’s the Trump way.

considering his model was in fact to do everything by borrowing (and losing) other people’s money, you’d think the national debt would be a good thing.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:20:14am

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

Deep State Jury.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:25:37am
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Sir John Barron  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:27:23am

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

Funny they didn’t think Hillary’s State emails were “privileged”.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:28:26am

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Very, very important. A year from now the courts might go the other way. That would be a waymarker.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:32:35am

It’s the shortest darkest day of the year and there’s a bright fresh dandelion on my lawn.

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:33:48am
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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:33:56am

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll reiterate Rep. Ted Lieu’s ongoing question:

WHY DOES KUSHNER STILL HAVE SECURITY CLEARANCE?

Yeah, it’s screaming - but that’s because it deserves to be asked and answered. There’s absolutely no reason for him to still have clearance given all that we know he’s done- from lying on the SF-86s multiple times, to what the emails are turning up.

This admin doesn’t read, isn’t paying attention to the rule of law, and thinks it can do anything it wants. The GOP Congress is letting them do what they want - abrogating the rule of law and ignoring 2+ centuries of law in the process. The GOP is violating their oaths by refusing to hold Admin accountable.

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makeitstop  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:35:44am
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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:37:28am

re: #251 makeitstop

The GOP needs to coordinate their talking points, while Democrats know what the deal is.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:38:32am

re: #108 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Rather reminds me of The Rifleman. This was actually one of the more peaceful of the ca. 1960 westerns, since problems were occasionally solved without resort to firearms. Even so, Lucas McCain managed to eliminate 120 bad guys during the 5 year run.

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I have wanted to see a series showing what kind of person Mark McCain grew up into after seeing his dad kill so many men.

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JordanRules  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:38:33am

re: #251 makeitstop

Yeah. These GOP folks will be totally fine if he fires Rosenstein and starts process to get rid of Mueller. Traitors. Cowards.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:40:21am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:41:16am
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Bubblehead II  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:42:54am

Slowly, but surely they are coming down.

Confederate statues come down in Memphis

(CNN)Crews worked through the night Wednesday to remove two Confederate statues from parks in Memphis, Tennessee, after city officials sold the land to a nonprofit entity.

*snip*

Strickland said the parks were sold for $1,000 each to a nonprofit called Memphis Greenspace.

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William Lewis  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:45:21am

re: #8 Belafon

What I posted to Amazon:

“3 stars: A Bit Derivative

yet better than what I did at that age. Suggest that the author not read either poetry or punk rock lyrics for awhile while trying his had at some classical form. His grasp of language makes me feel that he could be quite good at sonnets or Shakespearean blank verse. The long piece about the perfumer could really gain from that kind of reworking.

All of this is simply a complicated way to say: Good job. I will look forward to seeing your next book. “

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William Lewis  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:46:12am

re: #8 Belafon

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:51:06am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:52:00am
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Ace-o-aces  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:52:11am
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:55:02am

re: #248 Decatur Deb

It’s the shortest darkest day of the year and there’s a bright fresh dandelion on my lawn.

Quick, grab the Roundup.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:56:59am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:57:23am

re: #248 Decatur Deb

It’s the shortest darkest day of the year and there’s a bright fresh dandelion on my lawn.

Hard to remove dandy lions

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Decatur Deb  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:57:31am

re: #261 The Vicious Babushka

A little girl in this ad says, “Thank you, President Trump, for letting us say ‘Merry Christmas’ again.”

Needs moar female Naval Infantry.

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sagehen  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:58:18am

re: #242 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Perfect Strangers— Dance of JOY!

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Decatur Deb  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:58:33am

re: #263 Barefoot Grin

Quick, grab the Roundup.

Decided to let it live.

For now.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:59:42am
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sagehen  Dec 21, 2017 • 9:59:54am

re: #248 Decatur Deb

It’s the shortest darkest day of the year and there’s a bright fresh dandelion on my lawn.

Our Australian friends may have a differing opinion on the matter.

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William Lewis  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:00:58am

re: #248 Decatur Deb

It’s the shortest darkest day of the year and there’s a bright fresh dandelion on my lawn.

I always look forward to the first one every year. That little splash of yellow warms my heart even more than the physical sun. Tends to keep the earliest bumble bees going too.

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darthstar  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:03:05am

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

Now Franken needs to rescind his resignation so Trump can’t just dismiss his words.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:03:13am

re: #269 Joe Bacon 🌹

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He’s got the Tyrannical “praise me or else” crossed arm pose down pat I see.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:03:32am

(parody account for those who are unfamiliar)

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sagehen  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:04:52am

re: #261 The Vicious Babushka

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talkingpointsmemo.com

But AT&T and Comcast are heavily dependent on regulatory kindnesses from the executive branch. They both just profited immensely from the overturning of the 2015 net neutrality regulations. And AT&T, as we’ve discussed, is desperate for the Justice Department to allow its acquisition of Time Warner. Boeing is extremely dependent on government contracts and what it doesn’t sell to the US government is highly dependent on exports, which are of course also highly dependent on trade policies of the executive branch.

There’s no doubt each of these companies is, corporately, extremely happy with the passage of this bill. It pushes through a major cut in the tax rates for corporations. It’s just as obvious this is a choreographed effort to validate administration claims that the bill’s payoffs to the super wealthy will actually be passed down to ordinary Americans. It is just as obviously currying favor with an administration that has repeatedly shown a ready willingness to act capriciously with its regulatory powers - to reward friendly businesses and punish those who don’t show reflexive support.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:07:37am

re: #261 The Vicious Babushka

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:08:05am
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Skip Intro  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:08:06am

re: #272 darthstar

Now Franken needs to rescind his resignation so Trump can’t just dismiss his words.

He leaves on Jan 2.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:08:34am

re: #269 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Sir John Barron  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:09:08am

re: #262 Ace-o-aces

What about Jade Helm 15?

/

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wrenchwench  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:10:08am

Where was he radicalized?

Maybe at the renderer’s place.

/all

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:10:57am

re: #262 Ace-o-aces

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:17:12am
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A Mom Anon  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:18:11am

re: #279 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I’m surprised Pence could speak that coherently with his mouth full. This crap went on for HOURS yesterday. It’s like they are totally daring someone to stop them. Nothing has so far, so I guess that’s where they get the idea they own us. And the country and all it’s resources.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:18:29am
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A Mom Anon  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:20:33am

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s not even a useful idiot.

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darthstar  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:21:22am

re: #278 Skip Intro

He leaves on Jan 2.

We can’t have nice things.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:23:26am

(UC is University of Cincinnati)

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darthstar  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:24:27am

Fuck Trump and the GOP. They wrote a shitty bill, they should get it in process as quickly as possible.

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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:25:10am

re: #283 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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A Mom Anon  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:27:44am

re: #290 lawhawk
I think women should follow him around and laugh and point wherever he goes. Racist hell elf.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:30:00am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:33:23am

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Dude who pushed Seth Rich CTs can shut up.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:37:29am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

Dude who pushed Seth Rich CTs can shut up.

True Dat

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darthstar  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:38:42am
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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:38:49am

I’m already starting to hear upper income Trump voters in high tax states wonder aloud what they have done to themselves. Doing the math of the new tax regime living around the NYC area means a lot of them are going to be paying a little MORE in taxes.. mind you, these are not multi-millionaires that can simply walk off into the sunset living on a Greek island or estate in Southern France..

These are finance , head surgeon, SVP level types making $500k-$800k /yr in NY and CT and getting word from their tax guys that it looks like a higher bill is expected from the Trump tax structure. They are livid. They got conned. The real winners are the multi-millionaires who are going to walk away with a huge pile of $$$ loot.

And just wait in a short 4 years or so when the bill comes due for this massive giveaway to the wealthy. The upper middle guy is going to be shafted with a pringles can.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:43:12am
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darthstar  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:44:25am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:45:02am

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

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In other words I lost because the people I treated like shit used their rights as Americans. Who’s playing identity politics now Alt right assholes?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:45:22am

re: #298 darthstar

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Yawn gfy Rand.

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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:45:51am

Speaking of trolls, elfs, and reactionary know-nothings, Rand Paul has emerged from the bandages (and no one still knows what the hell happened in that altercation with his neighbor).

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Sir John Barron  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:46:02am

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

Roy Moore blames ‘thousands of black, Latino, and Muslim voters’ for loss to Doug Jones thinkprogress.org pic.twitter.com

— Judd Legum

Sore loser. What a whiny baby.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:47:00am

re: #298 darthstar

Time to investigate high ranking Obama government officials who might have colluded to prevent the election of @realDonaldTrump! This could be WORSE than Watergate!

— Senator Rand Paul

I remember well when President Obama begged Wikileaks (Russia) to hack Trump and the RNC’s emails at every campaign rally.

///

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darthstar  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:47:50am

re: #300 HappyWarrior

Yawn gfy Rand.

I know. They’re shit’s gettin’ old.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:50:02am

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:51:29am

re: #298 darthstar

Asshole.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:53:27am

Look at this smug lying mother fucker & granny-starver.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:53:52am
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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:55:45am

re: #308 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s a bot.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:55:52am

Another lying mother fucker offers you this shit chopped liver sandwich.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:57:47am

re: #310 The Vicious Babushka

Years of work and passed in the middle of the night. Why did it take so long? Hmm. Keep taking those victory laps asshole.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:58:23am

re: #309 lawhawk

It’s a bot.

As I said, it’s not a real person.
When an account has Trump in their username, you know they’re not a genuine person there to have a discussion. They’re a propaganda bot, whether human or software.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:59:09am

re: #310 The Vicious Babushka

Another lying mother fucker offers you this shit chopped liver sandwich.

[Embedded content]

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darthstar  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:00:18am
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allegro  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:02:08am

re: #313 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You’re as bad as Trump. The whole party is rotten corrupt to the core and incapable of telling the truth about anything.

May I suggest using the word “corrupt” as often as possible to help make it a thing whenever the GOP is discussed?

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Kragar  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:02:13am

re: #307 The Vicious Babushka

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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:02:39am

re: #314 darthstar

It gets better.

Christmas was not celebrated by the Puritans who came to North America to escape persecution because they considered it a pagan holiday. They banned it.

Christmas in 17th century England actually wasn’t so different from the holiday we celebrate today. It was one of the largest religious observances, full of traditions, feast days, revelry and cultural significance. But the Puritans, a pious religious minority (who, after all, fled the persecution of the Anglican majority), felt that such celebrations were unnecessary and, more importantly, distracted from religious discipline. They also felt that due to the holiday’s loose pagan origins, celebrating it would constitute idolatry. A common sentiment among the leaders of the time was that such feast days detracted from their core beliefs: “They for whom all days are holy can have no holiday.”

This meant that Christmas wasn’t the only holiday on the chopping block. Easter and Whitsunday, other important historical celebrations, were also forbidden. Bans like these would continue through the 18th and 19th centuries (the US House of Representatives even convened on Christmas in 1802). As Puritanism started to fall out of favor, however, Christmas was almost universally accepted throughout the US by 1840, and was eventually declared a National Holiday in 1870.

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allegro  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:02:40am

re: #314 darthstar

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Pisces. :)

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Sir John Barron  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:03:46am

re: #310 The Vicious Babushka

Another lying mother fucker offers you this shit chopped liver sandwich.

These people….

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HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:04:07am

re: #317 lawhawk

It gets better.

Christmas was not celebrated by the Puritans who came to North America to escape persecution because they considered it a pagan holiday. They banned it.

I’d love to see FNC explain that to their viewers but they’d probably just write off the Puritans as “New England liberal elitists.”

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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:04:14am

re: #316 Kragar

Barry Bonds and I hit an average of 381 home runs in baseball.

Of course, I hit zero, and he hit 762, but that’s the average - that counts for something… right?

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Sir John Barron  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:04:17am

re: #310 The Vicious Babushka

Another lying mother fucker offers you this shit chopped liver sandwich.

Also, Trump can’t reveal his taxes because he’s under audit….

////

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Sir John Barron  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:05:42am

re: #307 The Vicious Babushka

and you got #2059more from a tax cut next year, that’s not nothin

What is Ryan talking about? Was that the Bill number?

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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:06:23am

If someone in middle quintile saves $2000 as an average, there will be people who get even bigger refunds, but many more will see no benefit or actually have to pay more in tax. That’s by design.

Instead of making this a focused tax cut for the middle class (or everyone but the rich), this is a scam and everyone knows it - the GOP is lying about who benefits and for how much. They’re touting average numbers that don’t hold up under scrutiny and they willfully ignore the CBO/JCT scoring that showed where the benefits were going and when.

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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:07:17am

re: #323 Sir John Barron

He’s claiming that’s what people will see in tax refunds (or savings). Neither will be true - and the earliest they see this benefit is 2019 when the 2018 tax returns are done. It doesn’t change the 2017 tax year.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:07:26am

re: #323 Sir John Barron

What is Ryan talking about? Was that the Bill number?

Claiming people “who live paycheck to paycheck” will receive 2059 rubles or kopecks or bitchips which is a number he just pulled out of his ass.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:11:19am

Most disturbing part of the tax cut to me is making the corporate rate permanent and the income not but liberalscare the elites.//

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nines09  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:11:59am

re: #301 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Speaking of trolls, elfs, and reactionary know-nothings, Rand Paul has emerged from the bandages (and no one still knows what the hell happened in that altercation with his neighbor).

I’d bet he shot his mouth off and suddenly the realization he wasn’t grandstanding in some rally became painfully clear.

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darthstar  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:12:14am

re: #318 allegro

Pisces. :)

Late March is Aries. I know that because I am one. :)

I take back one of the bad things I said about Jesus.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:13:03am

Damnit, my Twitter follower account is up to 371. 369 looked so much nicer.

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Kragar  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:13:15am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:15:25am

re: #331 Kragar

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First off, nice diversity they have there, secondly don’t these kids have anything better to do, & why the fuck?

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:17:22am

re: #296 Rocky-in-Connecticut

I’m already starting to hear upper income Trump voters in high tax states wonder aloud what they have done to themselves. Doing the math of the new tax regime living around the NYC area means a lot of them are going to be paying a little MORE in taxes.. mind you, these are not multi-millionaires that can simply walk off into the sunset living on a Greek island or estate in Southern France..

These are finance , head surgeon, SVP level types making $500k-$800k /yr in NY and CT and getting word from their tax guys that it looks like a higher bill is expected from the Trump tax structure. They are livid. They got conned. The real winners are the multi-millionaires who are going to walk away with a huge pile of $$$ loot.

And just wait in a short 4 years or so when the bill comes due for this massive giveaway to the wealthy. The upper middle guy is going to be shafted with a pringles can.

They will need their lawyers and accountants to restructure themselves as LLCs so they can get that big pass-through deduction.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:17:25am
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Weaselone  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:18:06am

re: #331 Kragar

Probably because Project Veritas is horribly misnamed. It’s more “Project Heavily Edit Videos to Smear Decent People and Organizations while Siphoning Money from Rich Republican Sugar Daddies to Fuel my Addiction to Horrible Clothing and Haircuts.”

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:18:33am

re: #326 The Vicious Babushka

Claiming people “who live paycheck to paycheck” will receive 2059 rubles or kopecks or bitchips which is a number he just pulled out of his ass.

Chuck E. Cheese tokens.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:18:42am

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Who knew that Blacks, Latinos and Muslims could vote in Alabama? Roy though that was illegal!//

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Sir John Barron  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:21:02am

re: #331 Kragar

Why do you want so desperately to stop PV? Why?

— James O’Keefe

This guy’s never going to pay for continually getting busted about all the lying his organization does, is he?

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darthstar  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:21:03am

re: #334 FormerDirtDart

Slovenia voted yes…Melania may have smiled today.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:25:13am

I see that various robber baron corporations; AT&T, Wells-Fargo, etc.; have relabeled some end-of-year bonuses as special tax-cut inspired bonuses.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:25:18am

re: #338 Sir John Barron

This guy’s never going to pay for continually getting busted about all the lying his organization does, is he?

Unfortunately I don’t think so.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:27:47am

re: #307 The Vicious Babushka

If you’re living paycheck-to-paycheck—which is more than half of the people in this country—and you got #2059more from a tax cut next year, that’s not nothing. pic.twitter.com

— Paul Ryan

Since Trump’s GOP, including Ryan, don’t accept basic scoring numbers from CBO or anywhere else, how do we know any tax number regurgitated by the Speaker is accurate?

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:28:41am

re: #330 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Damnit, my Twitter follower account is up to 371. 369 looked so much nicer.

Block your new followers!

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lawhawk  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:29:56am

re: #342 Sir John Barron

It isn’t. They latched on to a number thrown out at random and hope no one catches the lie (we did).

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:30:33am

re: #343 Big Beautiful Door

Block your new followers!

Or maybe some old ones. Not you guys.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:31:47am

re: #330 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Damnit, my Twitter follower account is up to 371. 369 looked so much nicer.

re: #343 Big Beautiful Door

Block your new followers!

I agree. I’m sure you can find 2 bots in there

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darthstar  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:34:00am
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mmmirele  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:34:33am

re: #340 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:35:34am
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sagehen  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:36:43am

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

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local.theonion.com

Republicans Blame Election Losses On Democrats
11/07/06 7:01pm

WASHINGTON, DC—Republican officials are blaming tonight’s GOP losses on Democrats, who they claim have engaged in a wide variety of “aggressive, premeditated, anti-Republican campaigns” over the past six-to-18 months. “We have evidence of a well-organized, well-funded series of operations designed specifically to undermine our message, depict our past performance in a negative light, and drive Republicans out of office,” said Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman, who accused an organization called the Democratic National Committee of spearheading the nationwide effort. “There are reports of television spots, print ads, even volunteers going door-to-door encouraging citizens to vote against us.” Acknowledging that the “damage has already been done,” Mehlman is seeking a promise from Democrats to never again engage in similar practices.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:42:00am

re: #347 darthstar

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:44:10am

re: #349 FormerDirtDart

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electrotek  Dec 21, 2017 • 11:50:34am

Has anyone seen all the idiot Muslims on British boxer Amir Khan’s IG post threatening him with death for daring to post a photo of a Christmas tree at his house?

Holy fuck, I’ve been having a field day over the comments here. I’m riled up like no other.

Instagram

‪While everyone’s asleep, daddy put the Christmas tree up. Lamaisah’s going to be happy #Christmas #MerryChristmas2017 🎄 😘‬

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cat-tikvah  Dec 21, 2017 • 10:39:37pm

re: #349 FormerDirtDart

Toomey is my goddamned senator. I loathe him.


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