Amazing! Jacob Collier Harmonizes Melodies Submitted by Fans: #IHarmU Vol. 4

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Here’s the fourth compilation of harmonised melodies from the #InMyRoomJC #IHarmU campaign! All melodies received via Patreon between April 1st-July 1st, 2016.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 7, 2018 • 9:42:32pm
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jaunte  Jan 7, 2018 • 9:57:11pm
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Dave In Austin  Jan 7, 2018 • 9:58:41pm

I don’t golf but….

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 7, 2018 • 10:06:50pm

Thisre: #2 jaunte

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Trump and Pence should be impeached for their negligence and lack of interest in the dire conditions of Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. It is not incompetence, it is a total lack of interest in dealing with this crisis. They don’t care and Americans are dying.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 7, 2018 • 10:43:51pm

re: #1 Dave In Austin

Turbo incabulators are tricky beasts!

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wheat-dogg  Jan 7, 2018 • 10:50:45pm

And speaking of neologisms, these just arrived in my email.

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Kragar  Jan 7, 2018 • 10:59:56pm

This is my new favorite thing

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austin_blue  Jan 7, 2018 • 11:15:14pm

re: #3 Dave In Austin

I don’t golf but….

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That’s just sick, sick, sick.

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austin_blue  Jan 7, 2018 • 11:21:07pm

re: #6 wheat-dogg

And speaking of neologisms, these just arrived in my email.

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Proof that there are still some intelligent, clever people left in the US that have not been turned into zombies by Faux News.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 7, 2018 • 11:36:11pm

re: #9 austin_blue

Proof that there are still some intelligent, clever people left in the US that have not been turned into zombies by Faux News.

I want to join the Church of Frisbeetarianism. I bet it’s really fun when the priest distributes the communion wafers by flipping them into the congregation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 7, 2018 • 11:41:04pm

re: #10 wheat-dogg

I want to join the Church of Frisbeetarianism. I bet it’s really fun when the priest distributes the communion wafers by flipping them into the congregation.

and dog ownership is mandatory

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 7, 2018 • 11:54:23pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:19:50am
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freetoken  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:39:04am
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freetoken  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:51:31am

It always amazes me how Youtube can have all these copyright material, but mp3 sharing sites are pulled down with vigor.

Anyway:

For Decades, the CD Dominated Japan. Now, There’s an Unlikely Replacement.

The RIAJ asked 2,216 people how they listened to music. Here are the results:

38.4% listened to physical CDs.

27% played their favorite tracks from ripped digital files.

9.7% listened to music downloads.

8.7% listened to online radio.

6% used free streaming platforms.

3.9% paid to stream their tracks.

There’s one we left out: the vast majority of Japanese consumers preferred using YouTube. The RIAJ found that a whopping 42.7% of respondents used the Google-owned video streaming platform.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:59:55am

re: #15 freetoken

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Dusty! I haven’t thought of her in a good 20 years.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:02:36am

re: #17 Single-handed sailor

Dusty! I haven’t thought of her in a good 20 years.

She became a bit of a pop icon when the Pet Shop Boys rediscovered her

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:04:37am

re: #16 freetoken

It always amazes me how Youtube can have all these copyright material, but mp3 sharing sites are pulled down with vigor.

It is indeed a puzzle, though sometimes YT videos will suddenly disappear after the copyright owners send Google a warning. And a few days later, they will re-appear.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:06:30am

I’m watching The Last Waltz on Bluray tonight.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:12:55am

Star Trek Discovery is back from holiday hiatus. I’m going to watch it tonight.

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Targetpractice  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:22:54am

re: #21 wheat-dogg

Star Trek Discovery is back from holiday hiatus. I’m going to watch it tonight.

*muttergrumblemutter*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:24:24am

re: #21 wheat-dogg

Star Trek Discovery is back from holiday hiatus. I’m going to watch it tonight.

great, I was starting to enjoy that series. Did not really get into any of the other spin-offs after Next Generation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:27:46am

re: #19 wheat-dogg

It is indeed a puzzle, though sometimes YT videos will suddenly disappear after the copyright owners send Google a warning. And a few days later, they will re-appear.

In Germany we have the added issue of GEMA (German copyright protection agency) cracking down on everything it has a claim to) Thank god for VPN.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:29:08am

re: #21 wheat-dogg

Star Trek Discovery is back from holiday hiatus. I’m going to watch it tonight.

so, no spoilers?//

I will say the previews at the end paint an even darker future than tonight’s episode.

booga, booga, be afraid!

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:29:37am

This is not good.

cnbc.com

The collision happened off the coast near Shanghai. I’m not sure which way the currents go there, but a 1-million-barrel oil slick is bad no matter where it goes.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:31:18am

re: #24 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In Germany we have the added issue of GEMA (German copyright protection agency) cracking down on everything it has a claim to) Thank god for VPN.

Ah, the BBC does something similar. Even with my VPN set to a UK address, the Beeb asks for a licence number, which of course I don’t have.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:33:31am

re: #25 Single-handed sailor

so, no spoilers?//

I will say the previews at the end paint an even darker future than tonight’s episode.

booga, booga, be afraid!

I’m looking forward to it. The series has turned out to be much better than I expected, and its non-adherence to the classic timeline to me is unimportant.

Though I really wish Michelle Yeoh had had more than a few guest appearances.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:36:39am

Not a bad idea, really. But it would put an entire cadre of pretentious fashionistas out of jobs.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:39:25am

LOLOLOL

A Turkish academic claimed on Jan. 6 that the Prophet Noah called his son via cell phone shortly before the famous flood, the story of which is recounted in both the Quran and the Old Testament.

Speaking on state-run channel TRT 1 on Jan. 6, Yavuz Örnek, a lecturer at the Marine Sciences Faculty of Istanbul University, said Noah communicated with his son via cell phone as they were a long way from each other.

“There were huge 300 to 400-meter high waves and his [the Prophet Noah’s] son was many kilometers away. The Quran says Noah spoke with his son. But how did they manage to communicate? Was it a miracle? It could be. But we believe he communicated with his son via cell phone,” Örnek said.

He also claimed that Noah himself built the ship made of steel plates and this ship used nuclear energy.

“I am a scientist, I speak for science” Örnek added.

hurriyetdailynews.com

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:39:32am

Location of the Sanchi on Marine Traffic website.

Sanchi at Pink Balloon
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:50:59am

re: #30 Dr Lizardo

LOLOLOL

hurriyetdailynews.com

selective science, like selective history or theology, can be used to support most any point of view

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:23:56am

re: #32 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

selective science, like selective history or theology, can be used to support most any point of view

Well actually, simple geometry disproves flat earth theory, but, Idiocracy…

Idiocracy - Opening scene in HD

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:42:46am

re: #31 Single-handed sailor

Location of the Sanchi on Marine Traffic website.

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Taiwan could get the worst of it. :(

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:48:52am

AIs have replaced chat girls.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:52:45am

re: #35 wheat-dogg

AIs have replaced chat girls.

if all you want from a chat is some pleasant distraction, then it does not matter who is providing the distraction.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:26:45am

re: #36 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

if all you want from a chat is some pleasant distraction, then it does not matter who is providing the distraction.

We could replace most of the Fox News personalities with AIs, and no one would notice the difference.

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Scout  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:36:31am

re: #37 wheat-dogg

We could replace most of the Fox News personalities with AIs, and no one would notice the difference.

Sure we would. The AIs would do a better job.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:37:51am

re: #38 Scout

Sure we would. The AIs would have better personalities.

And, more cogent discussions. Better question. Need I go on?

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:48:29am

Fair points.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:05:15am

re: #38 Scout

Sure we would. The AIs would do a better job.

Unless “AI” stands for artificial idiocy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:10:20am

re: #37 wheat-dogg

We could replace most of the Fox News personalities with AIs, and no one would notice the difference.

Maxine Legroom?

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:33:06am

re: #35 wheat-dogg

AIs have replaced chat girls.

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Interesting. I just heard an interesting conversation on the sinica podcast with New Yorker reporter who is writing on “beauty” apps in China. Filters allow anyone to beautify their selfies, etc. I think the reporter is Jiayang Fan.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:35:47am
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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:46:51am

re: #43 Barefoot Grin

Interesting. I just heard an interesting conversation on the sinica podcast with New Yorker reporter who is writing on “beauty” apps in China. Filters allow anyone to beautify their selfies, etc. I think the reporter is Jiayang Fan.

Yes. There are “beauty” apps, which allow the user to smooth out blemishes, enlarge their eyes, or even change the shape of their faces. Plus, they can add cute animal ears and whiskers, etc. My female students often use these apps when they post photos to their social media accounts.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:48:03am

I’m in-and-out here this morning (stuff to do), but I’ll drop a drive-by shameless article promotion in the right-hand column of LGF.

Nebraska Bill to Reintroduce Net Neutrality

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:51:41am

re: #45 wheat-dogg

Yes. There are “beauty” apps, which allow the user to smooth out blemishes, enlarge their eyes, or even change the shape of their faces. Plus, they can add cute animal ears and whiskers, etc. My female students often use these apps when they post photos to their social media accounts.

I know Japan has had these for awhile. This was about meitu apps. But I googled and found that they’ve been around for at least a year and there are all kinds of privacy issues, according to US tech sites. Jiayang Fan also discussed the rise of internet performers like the guy you mentioned yesterday who died doing high-rise stunts and HoneyCC.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:55:34am

re: #47 Barefoot Grin

I know Japan has had these for awhile. This was about meitu apps. But I googled and found that they’ve been around for at least a year and there are all kinds of privacy issues, according to US tech sites. Jiayang Fan also discussed the rise of internet performers like the guy you mentioned yesterday who died doing high-rise stunts and HoneyCC.

The Internet performers/hosts are raking in money, just like people elsewhere do on YouTube. But, as with everything in China, some have run into troubles with the authorities if their content is considered too risque or political. For example, camgirls was banned from featuring bananas in their feeds, which are all R-rated here.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:59:37am

re: #45 wheat-dogg

Yes. There are “beauty” apps, which allow the user to smooth out blemishes, enlarge their eyes, or even change the shape of their faces. Plus, they can add cute animal ears and whiskers, etc. My female students often use these apps when they post photos to their social media accounts.

makeup is just an analog “beauty app” and is as old as humanity

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:00:32am

re: #46 Anymouse 🌹

I’m in-and-out here this morning (stuff to do), but I’ll drop a drive-by shameless article promotion in the right-hand column of LGF.

Nebraska Bill to Reintroduce Net Neutrality

was the new FCC regulation not designed to prevent those pesky states’ rights from interfering in the abolition of NN?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:11:40am

re: #50 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

was the new FCC regulation not designed to prevent those pesky states’ rights from interfering in the abolition of NN?

Yes, the regulation handed down by the FCC said that states couldn’t adopt regulations.

However, as the FCC has abdicated responsibility to regulate ISPs themselves, the order from the FCC is self-contradictory. Thus, Washington, California, and Nebraska are setting up for a lawsuit against the FCC (intentionally).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:30:12am

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹

Yes, the regulation handed down by the FCC said that states couldn’t adopt regulations.

However, as the FCC has abdicated responsibility to regulate ISPs themselves, the order from the FCC is self-contradictory. Thus, Washington, California, and Nebraska are setting up for a lawsuit against the FCC (intentionally).

sorta like when the federal government left enforcement of Prohibition to state and local authorities?

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:31:51am

re: #44 Barefoot Grin

I can imagine that few things must be more terrifying to Trump’s lawyers than the thought of Mueller having direct access to Trump in a sit-down, recorded interview. Hell, by the time Mueller was done, Trump would end up confessing to being Ethel Rosenberg.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:35:15am

Donny Jr. has teh mads…….

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:39:15am

Ah the latest from Tom Tomorrow…

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:42:42am

re: #5 wheat-dogg

Turbo incabulators are tricky beasts!

‘Turbo incabulators’ sounds like something you’d use to summon a major Daemon. A Bloodthirster or Changer of Ways.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:44:11am

re: #44 Barefoot Grin

Trump is too genius and stable for an interview with crooked Hillary loving Mueller.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:47:39am

re: #57 Sir John Barron

Trump is too genius and stable for an interview with crooked Hillary loving Mueller.

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People will call it entrapment, which in this case simply means giving him the opportunity to open his mouth.

I realize that Trump was elected as the anti-politician, the total outsider, businessman counter-establishment candidate. That allowed him to get away with things that would have wrecked the campaign or even careers of any professional politician.

Problem is, he has now been President for a year, and that makes him a politician and he can no longer get away with those things that made him so attractive to his supporters.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:49:48am

re: #54 Dave In Austin

Donny Jr. has teh mads…….

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Yes, the worst job numbers since 2010.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:50:49am

re: #35 wheat-dogg

And in other news China introduces a Social Credit system that rates every citizen. The lower a person’s score the less they are allowed to do.

With this China commits suicide.

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makeitstop  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:52:11am

re: #44 Barefoot Grin

Trump legal team contemplating options to avoid a formal interview with the special counsel

They’re probably pushing for multiple-choice questions.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:56:42am

re: #61 makeitstop

They’re probably pushing for multiple-choice questions.

And to have Mueller replaced by the hosts of Fox and Friends.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:57:14am

re: #61 makeitstop

They’re probably pushing for multiple-choice questions.

Mueller: “What…is your favorite color?”

Trump: “Red. No, blue!” zoooooooom

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jeffreyw  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:59:32am

Imgur

Good morning!

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:01:06am

You really gotta let the paper shredders cool occasionally

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:05:17am
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:05:55am

I have to agree with Spicer.
We’ve only had one President that lacked any experience in the function of governance, and we’re living through that shitshow daily.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:07:40am

re: #60 Romantic Heretic

And in other news China introduces a Social Credit system that rates every citizen. The lower a person’s score the less they are allowed to do.

With this China commits suicide.

There is a system like that in Super Sad True Love Story by Gary Shteyngart, a dystopian future novel (from 2010) set in America after the Great Currency Collapse, in which anyone who wants to enjoy anything beyond the most basic has to have access to Yuan or Northern-Euro-backed currency.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:09:21am

re: #60 Romantic Heretic

And in other news China introduces a Social Credit system that rates every citizen. The lower a person’s score the less they are allowed to do.

With this China commits suicide.

It’s a form of thought policing. Follow the rules. Be a responsible citizen. Don’t rock the boat. Then you’ll get a better job, a house loan, etc.

Though word on the street has it that it is relatively easy to game the system, if you have the skillz and/or the money to pay someone with the skillz. IOW, it will further stratify society, which perhaps is what the Poltiburo technocrats want.

Meanwhile, the authorities are clamping down in the nation’s Bitcoin mining operations, forcing them to gradually shut down their operations. Most are moving ops out of the country, while the smaller operations will try to stay on the downlow for now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:09:45am

re: #67 FormerDirtDart

“Sean Spicer says Oprah Winfrey doesn’t have the political experience to be president”

They are both successful business people and TV personalities…or is/are there some other difference/s that might lead him to make such a statement?

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:11:18am

re: #70 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are both successful business people and TV personalities…or is/are there some other difference/s that might lead him to make such a statement?

She’s a Democrat?

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I cannot.  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:12:52am

re: #71 FormerDirtDart

I think its clear that the reason is because she’s a woman, its black and white to me.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:13:07am

re: #68 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There is a system like that in Super Sad True Love Story by Gary Shteyngart, a dystopian future novel (from 2010) set in America after the Great Currency Collapse, in which anyone who wants to enjoy anything beyond the most basic has to have access to Yuan or Northern-Euro-backed currency.

You’ve mentioned that before, and that book is on my wishlist for my Kindle.

The usual assortment of doomsayers have been predicting a dollar collapse any day now, so it’s interesting Shteyngart chose Chinese yuan and Euros as the currencies of choice. If he were writing it now, he’d might choose some kind of Bitcoin-like thing. (Bitcoin was created in 2009.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:14:29am

re: #73 wheat-dogg

You’ve mentioned that before, and that book is on my wishlist for my Kindle.

The book describes a post-literate America and is so frightening I don’t think I want to read it again.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:15:26am

re: #70 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are both successful business people and TV personalities…or is/are there some other difference/s that might lead him to make such a statement?

I would not be interested in Winfrey being president, considering her long-standing position against atheists (she’s in the GHW Bush camp of “why are we allowed to be citizens”).

That said, I understood the NBC tweet to mean “president of NBC” not the nation.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:16:22am

re: #67 FormerDirtDart

I have to agree with Spicer.
We’ve only had one President that lacked any experience in the function of governance, and we’re living through that shitshow daily.

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Why am I starting to see and hear about Spicer again?

That little ratf*cking moron needs to go away.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:18:02am

re: #76 bill d. (b.d.)

Why am I starting to see and hear about Spicer again?

That little ratf*cking moron needs to go away.

More media interviews of disappointed Trump supporters. (I never got a response back from the Philadlphia Inquirer journalist on interviewing people in Trump country, though I am not surprised since I don’t live in Philadelphia and he is probably very busy).

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steve_davis  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:19:21am

re: #20 Single-handed sailor

I’m watching The Last Waltz on Bluray tonight.

neil young’s coke booger in high resolution!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:26:49am

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹

I would not be interested in Winfrey being president, considering her long-standing position against atheists (she’s in the GHW Bush camp of “why are we allowed to be citizens”).

That said, I understood the NBC tweet to mean “president of NBC” not the nation.

I had a similar problem with Joe Liebermann in 2000 not at all because he was Jewish but because he and Tipper Gore were spokespersons of a movement to censor and restrict music and movie content.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:35:54am

Oprah at lest is self made but I want an actual politician. I want someone who actually saw public service as their calling. Unfortunately that’s too much to ask these days.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:36:07am

re: #79 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

psychologytoday.com

Unfair prejudice is most shocking not when it comes from expected sources—a KKK leader, for example, or a skinhead—but when it comes from a respected mainstream spokesperson who supposedly reflects enlightened contemporary values. Thus, brace yourself for Oprah Winfrey, as she disparages millions of atheists by telling her audience that, in her opinioin, atheists are incapable of awe.

(more at the link)

Winfrey is very good at otherising atheists.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:36:31am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:38:02am

re: #81 Anymouse 🌹

psychologytoday.com

(more at the link)

Winfrey is very good at otherising atheists.

I think it’s an ignorant thing to say but I can’t put it in the same category as HW Bush’s citizen comment.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:38:32am

re: #82 FormerDirtDart

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Yeah same. Did not want to get up today.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:41:16am

Good morning fellow staple geniuses

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:44:33am

re: #84 HappyWarrior

Yeah same. Did not want to get up today.

My beagle starts by leaning against me, then keeps leaning over until his laying across me, somehow always in just the right position so most of his weight is pressing down on my bladder

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darthstar  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:44:55am

re: #85 bill d. (b.d.)

Good morning fellow staple geniuses

I’m more of a maple genus, but good morning all the same.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:45:00am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:45:15am

I guess I don’t understand the hatred towards people who work their way up in politics. I honestly want my leaders to be able to understand policy because frankly most policy I don’t understand beyond a basic. And I certainly don’t want my leaders treating Washington as this hellhole. Washington is our capital. It’s not “The Swamp.” It’s home to thousands of unknown bureaucrats, many of whom btw are vets who work day to day to make the coutnry a better place. Does D.C. have its flaws? Sure but I’m not going to get an architect to do heart surgery on me because he’s not a perfect individual.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:46:11am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:46:15am

re: #86 FormerDirtDart

My beagle starts by leaning against me, then keeps leaning over until his laying across me, somehow always in just the right position so most of his weight is pressing down on my bladder

I just flat out did not want to get up.Bed was really comfy today. Glad today is a telecommute day.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:48:17am
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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:48:43am

re: #85 bill d. (b.d.)

Good morning fellow staple geniuses

I’m more of a paperclip genius myself.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:49:46am

re: #89 HappyWarrior

I guess I don’t understand the hatred towards people who work their way up in politics. I honestly want my leaders to be able to understand policy because frankly most policy I don’t understand beyond a basic. And I certainly don’t want my leaders treating Washington as this hellhole. Washington is our capital. It’s not “The Swamp.” It’s home to thousands of unknown bureaucrats, many of whom btw are vets who work day to day to make the coutnry a better place. Does D.C. have its flaws? Sure but I’m not going to get an architect to do heart surgery on me because he’s not a perfect individual.

It goes back to Ronald Reagan’s anti-government statements such as the worst words in the English language are I’m from the government and I’m here to help you.

The training of movement conservatism for decades has been my ignorance of governance is better than your knowledge of it.

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sagehen  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:50:22am

So I’m hearing that this year’s flu is way higher than normal (overflowing hospitals, higher-than-normal death toll) — is this in any way related to Trump’s cutbacks at CDC and NIH?

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bill d. (b.d.)  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:51:00am

re: #93 Belafon

I’m more of a paperclip genius myself.

I saw that, thought about correcting it but realized it’s just as true either way.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:54:04am

re: #95 sagehen

So I’m hearing that this year’s flu is way higher than normal (overflowing hospitals, higher-than-normal death toll) — is this in any way related to Trump’s cutbacks at CDC and NIH?

ineffective flu vaccine is one reason.

This year’s flu vaccine may only be 10% effective, experts warn

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:58:22am
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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:58:35am

We were talking about the beauty apps Chinese women use to spruce their selfies up for social media. Here’s the old-fashioned kind.

Art restorers meticulously cleaned all the centuries of gunk off this portrait.

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makeitstop  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:58:44am

re: #93 Belafon

I’m more of a paperclip genius myself.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:58:55am

re: #97 Bubblehead II

ineffective flu vaccine is one reason.

This year’s flu vaccine may only be 10% effective, experts warn

So I need nine more shots? # genius

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sagehen  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:03:01am

re: #99 wheat-dogg

We were talking about the beauty apps Chinese women use to spruce their selfies up for social media. Here’s the old-fashioned kind.

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Art restorers meticulously cleaned all the centuries of gunk off this portrait.

Good thing they didn’t use this cleaner:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:03:09am

re: #94 Anymouse 🌹

It goes back to Ronald Reagan’s anti-government statements such as the worst words in the English language are I’m from the government and I’m here to help you.

The training of movement conservatism for decades has been my ignorance of governance is better than your knowledge of it.

I would love to have been with the captain of the USS Ronald Reagan when it was sent to offer Tsunami aid to Japan and he came to present his credentials and announce tht he was from the US government and there to help.

There as just an article in Slate about the real-life ideology behind those quips: that people in government have no interest beyond advancing their careers and expanding their powers. Now without some degree of merit, but a caricature nonetheless.

And at least public servants are expected to have a public record that is open to scrutiny.

Came up in a Slate article about the modern anti-government conservative movement,

What Is the Far Right’s Endgame? A Society That Suppresses the Majority.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:03:40am

re: #95 sagehen

So I’m hearing that this year’s flu is way higher than normal (overflowing hospitals, higher-than-normal death toll) — is this in any way related to Trump’s cutbacks at CDC and NIH?

Must be Obama’s fault, Trump only gets credit for good stuff

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:04:08am

re: #102 sagehen

Good thing they didn’t use this cleaner:

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I think she used a Brillo pad for that one. //

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Sir John Barron  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:04:43am

re: #85 bill d. (b.d.)

Good morning fellow staple geniuses

Office Space Stapler

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:04:45am

re: #101 Barefoot Grin

So I need nine more shots? # genius

“May” - meaning they don’t know for sure.

Reading down the article, the CDC notes that vaccines are usually within the range of 10-42%.

Also, a flu shot will likely make a later case of the flu less severe.

Even if 10% is true, that’s way better than dying of the flu.

You have to be careful reading science articles written by journalists (not scientists).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:05:04am

re: #94 Anymouse 🌹

It goes back to Ronald Reagan’s anti-government statements such as the worst words in the English language are I’m from the government and I’m here to help you.

The training of movement conservatism for decades has been my ignorance of governance is better than your knowledge of it.

Oh I know. And fuck Reagan for doing that shit all the while he increaesd the government’s size bigly.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:05:44am

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would love to have been with the captain of the USS Ronald Reagan when it was sent to offer Tsunami aid to Japan and he came to present his credentials and announce tht he was from the US government and there to help.

There as just an article in Slate about the real-life ideology behind those quips: that people in government have no interest beyond advancing their careers and expanding their powers. Now without some degree of merit, but a caricature nonetheless.

And at least public servants are expected to have a public record that is open to scrutiny.

Came up in a Slate article about the modern anti-government conservative movement,

What Is the Far Right’s Endgame? A Society That Suppresses the Majority.

It works if the majority is willing to put up with it. And they probably could have gotten away with it if they hadn’t elected Trump. But we’re already seeing the backlash.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:06:09am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:06:23am

This is what I wroet just now:

Disclaimer: I have not watched Oprah Winfrey’s speech yet so this isn’t a critique of the speech but more so this desire to have a celebrity. Political issues are complex issues. I like to think I understand at least some of them. If Oprah became president, she’d face the same questions that Trump has IMO done awful with about how to face not only being President and thus under heavy scrutiny daily but also the many complex issues that face our nation and planet. Part of leadership is also delegation too. Whom is Oprah going to appoint to deal with the issues we face. What kind of judges will she appoint? Listen, it’s okay to think someone can give a great speech that inspires you but leadership is more than that. Leadership is knowledge, humility, etc. It takes a lot to be President. That’s why so few become President or really get in the place where they could be President.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:07:14am

re: #110 wheat-dogg

Oh, look! Even more Hispanic people being deported!

WaPo —
200,000 Salvadorans will be forced to leave the U.S. or face deportation as Trump administration ends immigration protection

With all those illegal voters gone, Republicans are sure to stay in power. //

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:07:59am

re: #111 HappyWarrior

It takes a lot to be President. That’s why so few become President or really get in the place where they could be President.

Sometimes you just have to get up on a podium next to 17 GOP idiots and sound better than they do.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:08:50am

re: #112 Belafon

With all those illegal voters gone, Republicans are sure to stay in power. //

At the rate they’re going, I may find it hard to re-enter the US even as a US citizen.

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SteelPH  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:09:19am

re: #113 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sometimes you just have to get up on a podium next to 17 GOP idiots and sound better worse than they do.

Let’s be honest, here.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:09:38am

re: #113 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sometimes you just have to get up on a podium next to 17 GOP idiots and sound better than they do.

Or give that party’s base what they wanted which was a hateful asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:10:11am

re: #115 SteelPH

Let’s be honest, here.

Yes. They didn’t want Kasich or Jeb talking about actual policy. They wanted Trump talking about how he was going to make Mexico pay for a wall.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:10:44am

re: #110 wheat-dogg

Oh, look! Even more Hispanic people being deported!

WaPo —
200,000 Salvadorans will be forced to leave the U.S. or face deportation as Trump administration ends immigration protection

Fuck, that’s not good. That hits some families I know I imagine.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:11:50am

re: #115 SteelPH

Let’s be honest, here.

coming across better in media reports than they do, then

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Bubblehead II  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:12:03am

And so it begins.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:15:16am

re: #120 Bubblehead II

And so it begins.

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We really need to when we get back Congress and the Presidency pass a federal LGBT law akin to what we did with race, religion, etc to prevent this sort of thing from being implemented. I hate this fucking shit. You shouldn’t be able to refuse someone service for their sexuality any more than you should because of their race or religion. But hey wingnuts, we can see how “concerned” you are for LGBT Iranians when you support shit like this.

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Citizen K  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:15:55am

re: #114 wheat-dogg

At the rate they’re going, I may find it hard to re-enter the US even as a US citizen.

My dad is going to the Philippines for two weeks to reconnect with family. He’s blase about the threat but I’m terrified for his sake.

re: #120 Bubblehead II

And so it begins.

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And thus Jim Crow lives again. This is not going to go unnoticed by other states. We all just became second-class citizens again, because you know this isn’t going to just be left to discriminating against LGBT folks. Long as you can make the ‘religious beliefs’ excuse, it’s going to become a “white man’s country” all over again.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:17:15am

re: #120 Bubblehead II

And so it begins.

That means not even the liberal justices wanted to hear it. It only takes four.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:18:33am

re: #121 HappyWarrior

We really need to when we get back Congress and the Presidency pass a federal LGBT law akin to what we did with race, religion, etc to prevent this sort of thing from being implemented. I hate this fucking shit. You shouldn’t be able to refuse someone service for their sexuality any more than you should because of their race or religion. But hey wingnuts, we can see how “concerned” you are for LGBT Iranians when you support shit like this.

Just like their “concern” for Israel and the Jews…

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lawhawk  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:21:12am

re: #95 sagehen

So I’m hearing that this year’s flu is way higher than normal (overflowing hospitals, higher-than-normal death toll) — is this in any way related to Trump’s cutbacks at CDC and NIH?

No.

Once again, the experts weren’t able to get a great match on the flu circulating this season, so that’s got a lot more to do with it. The season started a bit earlier as well (weather related).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:21:42am

re: #124 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just like their “concern” for Israel and the Jews…

No, that’s a little more different. That one’s simply based in scripture. This is because they hate Muslims. SImiliar concept though.

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SteelPH  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:22:14am

re: #119 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

coming across better in media reports than they do, then

Fair enough.

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:23:19am

re: #81 Anymouse 🌹

psychologytoday.com

(more at the link)

Winfrey is very good at otherising atheists.

She is also known for pushing “woo” products and people that are sketchy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:30:35am

re: #128 ObserverArt

She is also known for pushing “woo” products and people that are sketchy.

*Cough* Dr. Phil.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:32:31am

re: #44 Barefoot Grin

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If Trump talks to an FBI agent he will lie with 100% certainty, so they cannot allow a face-to-face interview.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:32:31am

How about President Tom Hanks?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:33:03am

re: #131 Belafon

How about President Tom Hanks?

President Forrest Gump

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:35:49am

re: #130 Big Beautiful Door

If Trump talks to an FBI agent he will lie with 100% certainty, so they cannot allow a face-to-face interview.

In the space of two hours, the FBI would probably have enough to put Trump in the slammer for 800 years on perjury charges alone.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:38:41am

re: #132 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

President Forrest Gump

Still smarter than our current one.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:39:01am

re: #60 Romantic Heretic

And in other news China introduces a Social Credit system that rates every citizen. The lower a person’s score the less they are allowed to do.

With this China commits suicide.

There was a Black Mirror episode about a system like that.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:40:06am

re: #70 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They are both successful business people and TV personalities…or is/are there some other difference/s that might lead him to make such a statement?

Oprah clearly doesn’t have the penis to be President.

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lawhawk  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:40:55am

Trump’s spending most of his time watching Fox, tweeting, and golfing to the point that they need to recharacterize his time so that it appears as something it isn’t.

This too plays into the ongoing investigations into his administration, transition, and campaign, and the fact that Mueller’s going to want to get his testimony at some point.

Mueller’s lawyers are savvy and know what to ask. Trump doesn’t know and thinks he can simply bluster his way through. His lawyers are slightly better than Trump, and know any testimony would be damaging - either as obstruction, perjury, or much worse. They want him to sign an affidavit, which still would likely fall into obstruction or perjury, but wouldn’t subject Trump to hours of testifying under oath that would reveal his fragile mental health and shaky hold on reality.

This is where we are in 2018 - because the GOP continued enabling him knowing he was awful all along. It was just Trump was their kind of awful and they thought they could do what they want and get all the tax breaks they could hope for.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:41:23am

10 more tweets in the thread

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MsJ  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:42:36am

re: #50 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

was the new FCC regulation not designed to prevent those pesky states’ rights from interfering in the abolition of NN?

Yup. And a bunch of states are giving the FCC the middle finger (along with lawsuits).

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sagehen  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:45:14am

re: #137 lawhawk

This is where we are in 2018 - because the GOP continued enabling him knowing he was awful all along. It was just Trump was their kind of awful and they thought they could do what they want and get all the tax breaks they could hope for.

Some Republican in 2012 (was it Grover Norquist?) said “we just want someone with enough working fingers to sign whatever we put in front of him.”

That’s exactly what they’ve got.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:47:04am

re: #140 sagehen

Some Republican in 2012 (was it Grover Norquist?) said “we just want someone with enough working fingers to sign whatever we put in front of him.”

That’s exactly what they’ve got.

It’s amazing what Republican power brokers will actually say. It was Paul Winrich or whatever that guy’s name was that admitted that they didn’t want people voting too right?

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:48:07am

Didn’t El Trumpo Orange Large-O say he would be very glad to speak to the investigators so he can clear his name?

Yeah…that.

Sorry Big Don…and before we ask these questions we are gonna put these little sensors on the ends of your index fingers.

Lie detector? No, no, no. Just a new method of digitally recording your answers.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:48:25am

re: #128 ObserverArt

She is also known for pushing “woo” products and people that are sketchy.

Yeah, no thanks.

Also really don’t want to continue the Celebrity President tour we’re on now. Would like to see a statesman/woman in the office.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:48:26am

re: #136 Big Beautiful Door

Oprah clearly doesn’t have the penis to be President.

the penis: mightier than the sword

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:49:52am

OK, some context in the SCOTUS decision

“… The justices did not comment Monday in their decision to leave in place a federal appeals court ruling that allowed the law to take effect. A three-judge panel held that the law’s challengers failed to show they would be harmed by it. The appellate judges did not rule on the law’s substance.

The legal battle is not over, though. A federal judge has allowed the law’s challengers to try to find people who have been denied services under the law because they would be able to make a strong legal claim that they have been harmed. …”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:49:59am

re: #143 Sir John Barron

Yeah, no thanks.

Also really don’t want to continue the Celebrity President tour we’re on now. Would like to see a statesman/woman in the office.

No kidding. What the hell does Oprah know about the federal judiciary? Climate Change? Etc. I am glad she gave a great speech last night but leadership is so much moer than that.

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:50:05am

re: #123 Belafon

That means not even the liberal justices wanted to hear it. It only takes four.

I think the issue is that the plaintiffs do not have standing to bring a suit. I have no problem with requiring standing. When these laws have demonstrated real-world impacts, the plaintiffs will have standing and then we will see where this goes. Disgusting laws, though. I hear jeebus used to refuse to serve prostitutes and thieves due to his strongly held religious beliefs//////////

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:50:24am

re: #143 Sir John Barron

Yeah, no thanks.

Also really don’t want to continue the Celebrity President tour we’re on now. Would like to see a statesman/woman in the office.

we get the leaders we deserve…we long since erased the line between news and entertainment, between factual reporting and and “reality” TV, between public servant and public nuisance.

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MsJ  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:50:56am

re: #129 HappyWarrior

*Cough* Dr. Phil.

*cough* Dr. Oz. *cough*

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:51:56am

re: #149 MsJ

*cough* Dr. Oz. *cough*

Works too.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:52:18am
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makeitstop  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:53:21am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:53:44am

re: #139 MsJ

Yup. And a bunch of states are giving the FCC the middle finger (along with lawsuits).

What states could do is let local governments create publicly owned ISPs. We have one in Frankfort, Ky, and it won’t be throttling content.

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mmmirele  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:55:14am

re: #120 Bubblehead II

And so it begins.

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Well, maybe a statewide boycott of Mississippi would be appropriate. The good ole boys can grind their teeth and be reminded that organizing a boycott is not illegal, per NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware (1982), also a Supreme Court case out of Mississippi.

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plansbandc  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:55:18am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:55:42am

re: #151 FormerDirtDart

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Hope the Trump coal miners and steel workers enjoy less safer workplaces.

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MsJ  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:55:47am

re: #153 Big Beautiful Door

What states could do is let local governments create publicly owned ISPs. We have one in Frankfort, Ky, and it won’t be throttling content.

Some states forbid that. Marsha Blackburn’s state comes to mind. And they LOVE that the state can’t do anything for its citizens. There is literally nothing republican’s don’t want to fuck you over for.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:56:03am

re: #60 Romantic Heretic

And in other news China introduces a Social Credit system that rates every citizen. The lower a person’s score the less they are allowed to do.

With this China commits suicide.

I remember that there was a Social Credit Party in Canada but they always sounded like they were Ron Paul types…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:56:18am

re: #154 mmmirele

Well, maybe a statewide boycott of Mississippi would be appropriate. The good ole boys can grind their teeth and be reminded that organizing a boycott is not illegal, per NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware (1982), also a Supreme Court case out of Mississippi.

Wouldn’t mind that. These laws are so fucking stupid and un American.

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:56:19am

re: #146 HappyWarrior

No kidding. What the hell does Oprah know about the federal judiciary? Climate Change? Etc. I am glad she gave a great speech last night but leadership is so much moer than that.

Well, Gwyneth Paltrow can handle Climate Change as secretary of Department of Health and Human Services.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:57:49am
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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:58:37am

re: #148 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we get the leaders we deserve…we long since erased the line between news and entertainment, between factual reporting and and “reality” TV, between public servant and public nuisance.

It all started when Big Bill went on Arsenio Hall’s show and played the sax.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:58:37am

re: #155 plansbandc

It was hard to stop laughing

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garzooma  Jan 8, 2018 • 7:59:13am

re: #130 Big Beautiful Door

If Trump talks to an FBI agent he will lie with 100% certainty, so they cannot allow a face-to-face interview.

He lies to his own lawyers:

As McGahn explained, “It’s always been our practice to make sure that two people are present, and we don’t have a problem of people lying.” He added that Trump is an “expert at interpreting things. Let’s put it that way.”

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:00:33am

re: #152 makeitstop

Natasha Bertrand

@NatashaBertrand
Fusion GPS is calling on the judge in the case over a subpoena for Fusion’s bank records to recuse himself because of, among other things, his work for the Trump transition team.

10:31 AM - Jan 8, 2018
41 41 Replies 446 446 Retweets 644 644 likes

Heh. They are playing hardball and sneering at the same time.

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garzooma  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:00:46am

re: #153 Big Beautiful Door

What states could do is let local governments create publicly owned ISPs. We have one in Frankfort, Ky, and it won’t be throttling content.

Why can’t the state create the ISP?

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:02:05am

re: #160 ObserverArt

Well, Gwyneth Paltrow can handle Climate Change as secretary of Department of Health and Human Services.

Given some of Gwyneth’s ideas regarding health, I’d say not just no, but hell no.

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makeitstop  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:02:12am

re: #155 plansbandc

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Video

This showed up as an ‘also watch’ after that video. I submit Bonnie as a (very) late entry in the ‘female-fronted band’ sweepstakes. Great, rowdy version of the Hiatt tune, with Hiatt himself helping out.

Bonnie Raitt & John Hiatt - Thing Called Love (Live at Farm Aid 1990)

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plansbandc  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:02:48am

Finally getting the accursed tooth pulled today!

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plansbandc  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:04:55am

re: #168 makeitstop

Love Bonnie. Seeing her live is on my bucket list.

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I cannot.  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:05:00am

re: #167 Dr Lizardo

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:07:11am

re: #162 ObserverArt

It all started when Big Bill went on Arsenio Hall’s show and played the sax.

Bill at least had a record of public service. That is the difference between him and a DT or an Oprah.

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MsJ  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:07:16am

re: #160 ObserverArt

Well, Gwyneth Paltrow can handle Climate Change as secretary of Department of Health and Human Services.

Will that be before or after she steams her vajajay?

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makeitstop  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:08:10am

re: #170 plansbandc

Love Bonnie. Seeing her live is on my bucket list.

I saw her years ago at the Main Point in Philly (RIP), when it was just her and her bass player Freebo. She was great then, but I love the electric Bonnie even more.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:08:52am

re: #135 Big Beautiful Door

There was a Black Mirror episode about a system like that.

Also an The Orville episode.

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lawhawk  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:10:53am

re: #145 FormerDirtDart

The Court’s also not ready to act because there may not be a split of authority among the Circuits.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:11:41am

Ethnic Cleansing: Trump Edition

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:12:33am
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lawhawk  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:14:47am

re: #151 FormerDirtDart

Fewer inspectors means fewer manufacturing and commercial sites getting inspected. When they happen more infrequently it means fewer fines and fewer action items that need to be resolved.

That heads off more substantial problems.

Fix the action items now, and pay smaller fine, or wait for the body count later.

The GOP has made its choice.

Workers are not worth the effort.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:14:50am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:15:42am

re: #177 DodgerFan1988

Ethnic Cleansing: Trump Edition

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Yep and honestly it’s our policies in El Salvador that created the mass immigration from there in the first place. Thanks Ronnie!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:16:49am
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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:17:01am

re: #180 FormerDirtDart

Another thought on this: The Trump Admin is attempting to scare people not with threats from any particular group, but just general “A NUKULAR ATTACK MIGHT BE IMMINENT! Be prepared by reelecting Republicans in 2018.”

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:17:02am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:21:56am

re: #183 Belafon

Another thought on this: The Trump Admin is attempting to scare people not with threats from any particular group, but just general “A NUKULAR ATTACK MIGHT BE IMMINENT! Be prepared by reelecting Republicans in 2018.”

even the threat of a war is enough to give them reason to call people to rally around the President

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:23:48am

re: #166 garzooma

Why can’t the state create the ISP?

The states can create it, but even in the blue states the telecom/cable interests are very strong and have a load of cash to incentivize/punish legislators. Money poisons our total government, thanks to the Supreme Court.

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:24:53am

re: #183 Belafon

Another thought on this: The Trump Admin is attempting to scare people not with threats from any particular group, but just general “A NUKULAR ATTACK MIGHT BE IMMINENT! Be prepared by reelecting Republicans in 2018.”

How does that work when people in America really haven’t had to worry about duck and covering since the 60s?

That’s really the thing with so much of Trump’s governing. We are having to worry about a lot of stuff that had not been a problem until the Big Orange Glob took office.

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I cannot.  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:25:10am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

*As long as he’s a Republican.

And, to some extent the “rally ‘round the president” effect is a rational idea…except when we have a YouTube comment section as president.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:27:03am

re: #180 FormerDirtDart

Everything is fi….

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:27:04am

re: #188 I cannot.

*As long as he’s a Republican.

And, to some extent the “rally ‘round the president” effect is a rational idea…except when we have a YouTube comment section as president.

I like the wingnuts want us to “respect the President” considering this President was the face of a movement questioning the last president’s American birthright. Uh nope.

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Citizen K  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:27:10am

re: #153 Big Beautiful Door

What states could do is let local governments create publicly owned ISPs. We have one in Frankfort, Ky, and it won’t be throttling content.

re: #186 Old Liberal

The states can create it, but even in the blue states the telecom/cable interests are very strong and have a load of cash to incentivize/punish legislators. Money poisons our total government, thanks to the Supreme Court.

Pretty sure many states have gone the complete other direction and barred local and municipal gov’ts from establishing their own ISP options, citing ‘competition’ worries.

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:33:05am

re: #191 Citizen K

Pretty sure many states have gone the complete other direction and barred local and municipal gov’ts from establishing their own ISP options, citing ‘competition’ worries.

The corporations won’t bring high speed to the rural areas because it isn’t profitable for them, but they block the state doing it lest the “camel get their nose in the tent”. What would happen if rural people got quality high speed and lower prices? Would their urban counterparts start demanding the same? So the urban reps go along with the corporations because why damage yourself for non-constituents, and rural reps go along with corporations because they know that god, guns, gays will keep them in office, where they pretend to hand-wring over lack of rural high speed.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:33:11am

bbiaw. Meat world things to do

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John Carter  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:33:37am

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹

I would not be interested in Winfrey being president, considering her long-standing position against atheists (she’s in the GHW Bush camp of “why are we allowed to be citizens”).

That said, I understood the NBC tweet to mean “president of NBC” not the nation.

I just read the exchange where she “caused a stir among atheists by suggesting that non-believers cannot experience awe and wonder”.

I am agnostic (or not really sure what I am) but based on the text she was definitely questioning how you could be in “awe” and not spiritual. I looked to me like she was having a discussion about it and he points came from her belief system. That would not disqualify her to me.

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CongoJack  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:35:08am

re: #191 Citizen K

Pretty sure many states have gone the complete other direction and barred local and municipal gov’ts from establishing their own ISP options, citing ‘competition’ worries.

My town in Colorado (and all of the surrounding towns as well) voted on this last November and it all passed. Colorado may eventually be provided internet by municipality owned internet and it cannot happen soon enough.

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:38:46am

re: #194 John Carter

I just read the exchange where she “caused a stir among atheists by suggesting that non-believers cannot experience awe and wonder”.

I am agnostic (or not really sure what I am) but based on the text she was definitely questioning how you could be in “awe” and not spiritual. I looked to me like she was having a discussion about it and he points came from her belief system. That would not disqualify her to me.

People make stupid statements based upon their perceptions. Religious people think that it is only their belief that keeps them from raping and pillaging, ergo if you have no belief you must certainly rape and pillage. “Spiritual” people think that their spirituality is at the heart of experiencing life, therefore atheists can’t possibly reach the orgasmic heights of seeing the sun rise or contemplating the cosmos. The error is connecting their belief to the “why” of what they experience.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:40:40am

re: #194 John Carter

I just read the exchange where she “caused a stir among atheists by suggesting that non-believers cannot experience awe and wonder”.

I am agnostic (or not really sure what I am) but based on the text she was definitely questioning how you could be in “awe” and not spiritual. I looked to me like she was having a discussion about it and he points came from her belief system. That would not disqualify her to me.

I’m agnostic too. I think it came off a bit ignorant but I wouldn’t disqualify her because of that either. It’s different than suggesting Atheists and Agnostics don’t have a place in our society but more so not understanding how the atheist/agnostic mind thinks. I still even though I’m not religious can find myself in awe. In awe of: Kindness, Horror, etc. I think a lot of people don’t understand that a lot of us simply aren’t religious. It’s not that I feel I don’t need a God, it’s that I think this is a pretty wonderful place with or without God.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:41:21am

re: #196 Old Liberal

People make stupid statements based upon their perceptions. Religious people think that it is only their belief that keeps them from raping and pillaging, ergo if you have no belief you must certainly rape and pillage. “Spiritual” people think that their spirituality is at the heart of experiencing life, therefore atheists can’t possibly reach the orgasmic heights of seeing the sun rise or contemplating the cosmos. The error is connecting their belief to the “why” of what they experience.

Right, I don’t get that at all. You don’t need belief to tell you that rape and murder is wrong.

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:48:32am

Just went to Morning Joke’s web site to watch the interviews about Michael Wolff’s book. It must have been a long interview as there are three videos up there that are fairly long.

Anyway, I wanted to post two of them because they are really good interviews and they are chilling in it really is all about everything we have been worried about. The first one (second program segment) is I believe very important and I think all should watch.

I give Joke and Mika credit as they handle this professionally and not politically.

Wolff doesn’t mess around and he was pretty solid in answering all the criticism he is getting. He mentions about the mistakes and how they came from the sources as many of us thought.

One of the surprising parts was when he did not hesitate at all when asked if Trump is fit to be president? “No!”

When asked if he found himself concerned with Trump’s mental health he said: “Every time you speak to him you think this is a wingnut. I mean there is something really alarming in ways you cannot even begin to describe, it’s like you are riveted to the seat.”

Iframe

The second video is actually the start to the interview and it clears up a whole lot about how he got access and how he composed the book.

Iframe

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:01:48am

*yawn*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:03:33am

burn…

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lawhawk  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:03:40am

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

Under Obama, the unemployed rates for those groups were cut by more than half. Trump again takes credit for the decline in unemployment rates and the economy growing that were begun under Obama and continue at a similar pace.

Of course, Trump wants to take credit for blacks seeing their unemployment rate declining - but Trump had no problem refusing them housing back in the day. Trump didn’t care to rent to minorities.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:03:47am

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

*yawn*

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Doing that Executive time.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:05:31am

Something groovy for you Lizards.

Jiro Inagaki & His Soul Media - High Jack

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:08:27am

re: #202 lawhawk

Under Obama, the unemployed rates for those groups were cut by more than half. Trump again takes credit for the decline in unemployment rates and the economy growing that were begun under Obama and continue at a similar pace.

Of course, Trump wants to take credit for blacks seeing their unemployment rate declining - but Trump had no problem refusing them housing back in the day. Trump didn’t care to rent to minorities.

Trump’s statement is just grist for the “see he’s not racist” asshole racist Drumpf supporters. No one is fooled.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:10:38am

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jake Tapper was downright RUDE and UNPROFESSIONAL to Stephen Miller.

When I think of totally professional and non-rude behavior, I immediately think of Sheriff David A Clarke, Jr.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:11:43am

re: #202 lawhawk

Under Obama, the unemployed rates for those groups were cut by more than half. Trump again takes credit for the decline in unemployment rates and the economy growing that were begun under Obama and continue at a similar pace.

Of course, Trump wants to take credit for blacks seeing their unemployment rate declining - but Trump had no problem refusing them housing back in the day. Trump didn’t care to rent to minorities.

The unemployment numbers under Obama were all Fake news but now the unemployment numbers are real. MAGA.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:12:00am
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retired cynic  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:13:06am

re: #162 ObserverArt

It all started when Big Bill went on Arsenio Hall’s show and played the sax.

Nope. Reagan. And I don’t care that he had served as a state governor.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:13:07am

re: #205 Old Liberal

Trump’s statement is just grist for the “see he’s not racist” asshole racist Drumpf supporters. No one is fooled.

“Hey, white nationalists, Trump is trying to get cozy with blacks at your expense.”

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dangerman  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:14:26am

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

burn…

Jake Tapper was downright RUDE and UNPROFESSIONAL to Stephen Miller. No surprise. You do not invite a guest on to win an argument. You ask challenging questions and let the guest answer. Tapper cannot MAKE Miller answer in the way Tapper wants to hear it. apple.news

and this is the crux of the problem

you dont merely “let the guest answer”
if the guest dodges, weaves, pivots, goes to unrelated talking points, or…..lies, you take control, cut him off and bring him back on point.

it’s an interview - not a “conversation”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:14:34am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:16:17am

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

burn…

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Get a job loser and stop trying to suck your way into an executive branch job.

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:16:48am

re: #202 lawhawk

Under Obama, the unemployed rates for those groups were cut by more than half. Trump again takes credit for the decline in unemployment rates and the economy growing that were begun under Obama and continue at a similar pace.

Of course, Trump wants to take credit for blacks seeing their unemployment rate declining - but Trump had no problem refusing them housing back in the day. Trump didn’t care to rent to minorities.

After watching the Wolff interviews from Morning Joke, it is very clear that Trump’s attention lasts as long as the thought coming out of his mouth. Once it is out, he forgets it. That now looks to be the reason he repeats everything, where many thought it was a PT Barnum trick to pound in something he wants retained by the listener.

With that in mind, I don’t think we can even think Trump knows what happened yesterday. So, there is no way in hell he knows what was up under any other administration.

That may also be why he isn’t aware of his previous tweets, those that get labeled “a tweet for everything.” That works for us, it is too much to think Trump is even aware of them.

Yeah, he is that gone and his thinking, memory and everything that makes a person functionable seems to be gone.

We are in deep shit. People are running the show we never even would consider electing…like Stephen Miller, Ryan Zinke, Scott Pruitt etc. Trump probably doesn’t know what any one of them is doing and even if they told him, he most likely would forget once he walked out of the room.

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lawhawk  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:16:59am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:17:04am

re: #206 Sir John Barron

When I think of totally professional and non-rude behavior, I immediately think of Sheriff David A Clarke, Jr.

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Seriously who the fuck is Mr. Talk Shit to women protesters to lecture anyone on manners? Fucking douchebag should just delete his twitter account and STFU.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:17:25am

oh, ok then////////

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:19:06am

re: #209 retired cynic

Nope. Reagan. And I don’t care that he had served as a state governor.

I was joking. I guess I should have used the sarc tag. But then others say no need to do the sarc tag. (Shrugs). : )

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dangerman  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:25:41am

re: #214 ObserverArt


With that in mind, I don’t think we can even think Trump knows what happened yesterday. So, there is no way in hell he knows what was up under any other administration.

Yeah, he is that gone and his thinking, memory and everything that makes a person functionable seems to be gone.

Trump probably doesn’t know what any one of them is doing and even if they told him, he most likely would forget once he walked out of the room.

i cribbed this from the twitters and it cannot be said enough.

He’s not a genius. He’s not “crazy like a fox.” He’s not a master strategist. He’s a 71 year-old, below-average-intelligent, spoiled, trust fund-supported, born-on-3rd-thought-he-hit-a-triple, sexually harassing asshole in mental decline. Stop looking for what isn’t there.

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lawhawk  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:30:07am

re: #219 dangerman

He was born on 3d base, and thinks he hit a grand slam when he GIDPd to bring the tying run to bat.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:32:38am

re: #220 lawhawk

He was born on 3d base, and thinks he hit a grand slam when he GIDPd to bring the tying run to bat.

No, he thinks he invented baseball. NOt many people played baseball before Trump did. A lot of people don’t know that but it’s true.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:36:13am

re: #209 retired cynic

Nope. Reagan. And I don’t care that he had served as a state governor.

Reagan understood how government worked and understood the concept of public service, even if his ideology was professedly anti-government. That puts him in a totally different category than the current President.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:38:02am

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

I recall my brother saying a similar thing regarding an interview with Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin. And my reply was much the same, I felt that the interviewer was just not letting him contradict himself and dodge and weave to avoid giving a clear answer.

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retired cynic  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:44:05am

re: #218 ObserverArt

I was joking. I guess I should have used the sarc tag. But then others say no need to do the sarc tag. (Shrugs). : )

I should have known! Only one cup of coffee. Need to go get another.

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ipsos  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:46:33am

Brilliant work (as ever) from xkcd’s Randall Munroe today:

Image: 2016_election_map.png

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:46:49am

re: #218 ObserverArt

I was joking. I guess I should have used the sarc tag. But then others say no need to do the sarc tag. (Shrugs). : )

That’s why I include them or put something in quotes if I’m pretending to be someone else.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:51:57am

re: #214 ObserverArt

That may also be why he isn’t aware of his previous tweets, those that get labeled “a tweet for everything.” That works for us, it is too much to think Trump is even aware of them.

He has never been called out on these inconsistencies in any interview or pres conference.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:53:55am

re: #219 dangerman

He’s not a genius. He’s not “crazy like a fox.” He’s not a master strategist. He’s a 71 year-old, below-average-intelligent, spoiled, trust fund-supported, born-on-3rd-thought-he-hit-a-triple, sexually harassing asshole in mental decline. Stop looking for what isn’t there.

whatever else you can say about him, he seems to have a gift for manipulating the media…again, has he ever been personally taken to task for his excesses and inconsistencies, for his untruths and unfounded statements?

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dangerman  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:57:10am

re: #228 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

whatever else you can say about him, he seems to have a gift for manipulating the media…again, has he ever been personally taken to task for his excesses and inconsistencies, for his untruths and unfounded statements?

it may be a fine point -
does he have this gift or is it just timing that he came along just when “the media” abdicated its role and lost its way / purpose in lieu of “access”

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Skip Intro  Jan 8, 2018 • 9:59:48am

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:01:19am

re: #228 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

whatever else you can say about him, he seems to have a gift for manipulating the media…again, has he ever been personally taken to task for his excesses and inconsistencies, for his untruths and unfounded statements?

Only on MSNBC as far as I can tell. Their evening lineup takes all of that on.

Apparently though, no one watches or cares. It all seems to be CNN versus Fox. I guess all that labeling of them from the past works. They are the “liberal” to-be-forgotten network.

But then, Rachel has pulled better ratings than Fox.

So maybe it just comes down to people want to believe the source they trust the best even if they don’t watch.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:02:10am

Ok everyone. Lunch is over. Get back to Executive Time!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:02:13am

re: #229 dangerman

it may be a fine point -
does he have this gift or is it just timing that he came along just when “the media” abdicated its role and lost its way / purpose in lieu of “access”

it would not work without a totally pliant media, but he knows how to make the best of it

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:03:27am

re: #231 ObserverArt

Only on MSNBC as far as I can tell. Their evening lineup takes all of that on.

Plenty of people on air criticizing him, but has anyone dared to take him to task personally and right to his face?

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Skip Intro  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:05:47am

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The media has been pliant for decades. Groveling even. Not much of a watchdog for the country at all.

I think it all goes back to Vietnam when the far right blamed Dan Rather and Uncle Walter for losing the war by showing reality on the news. Ever since then the media decided to just be stenographers, especially the White House press corp.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:07:56am

re: #235 Skip Intro

The media has been pliant for decades. Groveling even. Not much of a watchdog for the country at all.

I think it all goes back to Vietnam when the far right blamed Dan Rather and Uncle Walter for losing the war by showing reality on the news. Ever since then the media decided to just be stenographers, especially the White House press corp.

I was mentioning last night that one of things the military did with the invasion of Grenada in 1983 was to practice keeping the press on a short leash, leading to the farcical “embedded journalists” of the Iraq and Afghan wars.

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allegro  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:10:14am

re: #231 ObserverArt

Only on MSNBC as far as I can tell. Their evening lineup takes all of that on.

Apparently though, no one watches or cares. It all seems to be CNN versus Fox. I guess all that labeling of them from the past works. They are the “liberal” to-be-forgotten network.

But then, Rachel has pulled better ratings than Fox.

So maybe it just comes down to people want to believe the source they trust the best even if they don’t watch.

Might want to also take into account that many of us don’t get MSNBC since it’s a premium channel not included on many basic cable subscriptions, unlike Fox and CNN.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:13:02am

re: #236 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was mentioning last night that one of things the military did with the invasion of Grenada in 1983 was to practice keeping the press on a short leash, leading to the farcical “embedded journalists” of the Iraq and Afghan wars.

The embedded press during WW2 was there for propaganda purposes.

I think, like we saw during the election, that most of the time there’s only a handful of reporters that are ever anything beyond stenographers. One of the things I get from the trailers for The Post is just how much trouble the idea of publishing that information goes against normal operations.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:14:49am

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

*yawn*

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He boasts about Hispanic employment on the same day he made plans to kick 200 fucking thousand of them out of the country. Christ, what an asshole.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:14:57am

re: #215 lawhawk

And that story about the IV bag shortage… is actually true:

wsj.com

The availability of saline IV bags has plummeted because a major manufacturer in Puerto Rico, Baxter International Inc., was affected by the hurricane that slammed its plants on the island, while production problems hit another key manufacturer of the bags this year. The Food and Drug Administration said Thursday that production at Puerto Rico plants remains fragile.

“It might as well be a Third World country,” said Erin Fox, senior director of drug information services at the University of Utah, which tracks nationwide drug shortages. Hospitals, she said, are now administering medications using syringes instead of IV bags because of the shortage.

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:15:11am

re: #234 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Plenty of people on air criticizing him, but has anyone dared to take him to task personally and right to his face?

He avoids it by not taking interviews or questions.

Michael Wolff in the Morning Joke interviews mentioned Trump was all set to do an interview with on one of the big original networks then his handlers told him to go on Fox with Hannity. That is the interview everyone says Hannity gave the questions to Trump prior to the “show.”

And you also have the “access to the President” issues also covered in the interviews. Wolff decided once he was saw how crazy everything was to go for broke. He knew once the book was out he would not be going back.

He and Joke pointed out that IS the difference with him and say someone like the NYTimes’ Maggie Haberman.

All of the daily White House crew that sits and listens to Sarah Huckabee Sanders lie don’t fight back apparently for fear Trump will have their access cut.

Lotta good that does for anyone.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:15:36am

re: #239 Eclectic Cyborg

He boasts about Hispanic employment on the same day he made plans to kick 200 fucking thousand of them out of the country. Christ, what an asshole.

He’s a psycho.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:15:54am

re: #230 Skip Intro

I still liked our LGF version better.

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:16:13am

re: #235 Skip Intro

The media has been pliant for decades. Groveling even. Not much of a watchdog for the country at all.

I think it all goes back to Vietnam when the far right blamed Dan Rather and Uncle Walter for losing the war by showing reality on the news. Ever since then the media decided to just be stenographers, especially the White House press corp.

Add to it those that say the media was too tough on NIxon and cost him his office.

What? That’s their damn jobs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:16:37am

re: #239 Eclectic Cyborg

He boasts about Hispanic employment on the same day he made plans to kick 200 fucking thousand of them out of the country. Christ, what an asshole.

why not? that will help boost Hispanic employment figures for the ones who remain

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:17:20am

re: #244 ObserverArt

Add to it those that say the media was too tough on NIxon and cost him his office.

What? That’s their damn jobs.

and that they ran Sarah Palin out of office.

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:17:37am

re: #237 allegro

Might want to also take into account that many of us don’t get MSNBC since it’s a premium channel not included on many basic cable subscriptions, unlike Fox and CNN.

Yes, that is true too. One of the reasons I put up some of their interviews and coverage for the Lizards.

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allegro  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:18:26am

re: #247 ObserverArt

Yes, that is true too. One of the reasons I put up some of their interviews and coverage for the Lizards.

Appreciated!

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:22:36am

re: #166 garzooma

Why can’t the state create the ISP?

I guess a very ambitious state could.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:24:31am

re: #244 ObserverArt

Add to it those that say the media was too tough on NIxon and cost him his office.

What? That’s their damn jobs.

They think the media should question a Democratic President’s burger condiment choice but not dare question anything a Republican one does.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:24:56am

Ha
Ha
Ha

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Stanley Sea  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:26:26am

JFC this is seriously teetering close to trains/nazi’s.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:29:00am

re: #251 Stanley Sea

Ha
Ha
Ha

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If there’s been anything to enjoy about the past year, it’s seeing Milo crash and burn.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:29:30am

re: #252 Stanley Sea

JFC this is seriously teetering close to trains/nazi’s.

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Trail of Tears 2.0. :(.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:30:08am

re: #254 HappyWarrior

Trail of Tears 2.0. :(.

You don’t have to go back that far. Try Ike.

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:30:32am

re: #252 Stanley Sea

JFC this is seriously teetering close to trains/nazi’s.

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As we all know, the genesis of many of these immigrants is the murderous military and militias of El Salvador who were trained and encouraged by our U.S. Government. Right wing death squads sent to keep the campesinos in chains. How is it that we ever claimed our country to be a force for good on this planet except for 4 years 1942-45?

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dangerman  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:32:42am

re: #252 Stanley Sea

JFC this is seriously teetering close to trains/nazi’s.

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no one’s ever gonna use the word “humanitarian” to describe the “trump administration”

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:33:46am

Maybe if we point out that the Salvadorans are Christian refugees fleeing persecution they will change their tune? Don’t we always worry about the Christian refugees? Or is that only if their killers are Muslim?

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Kragar  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:34:53am
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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:35:17am

re: #258 Old Liberal

Maybe if we point out that the Salvadorans are Christian refugees fleeing persecution they will change their tune? Don’t we always worry about the Christian refugees? Or is that only if their killers are Muslim?

Only when Christian is white. That’s what it means on the right.

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:39:20am

re: #260 Belafon

Only when Christian is white. That’s what it means on the right.

Actually, only when the “refugee” support the conservative view of good guys and bad guys. Iraqi Arab Christan is good because it makes Moslems look bad. Russian Baptist Christian is good because it makes Soviets look bad (old days). Chinese Christian is good because it makes Chinese look bad. Salvadoran Christian good because it makes U.S. look bad? Sorry, you lose.

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jaunte  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:41:05am
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MsJ  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:41:30am

re: #213 HappyWarrior

Get a job loser and stop trying to suck your way into an executive branch job.

He doesn’t need a job. He has more than $100 grand in pensions from WI.

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Kragar  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:42:04am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:44:35am

re: #255 Belafon

You don’t have to go back that far. Try Ike.

Ah good point. Terrible part of Ike’s legacy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:45:18am

re: #258 Old Liberal

Maybe if we point out that the Salvadorans are Christian refugees fleeing persecution they will change their tune? Don’t we always worry about the Christian refugees? Or is that only if their killers are Muslim?

Hispanics are among the most heavily Christian groups out there and wingnuts hate them.

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Kragar  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:49:11am
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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:53:09am

An observation about media in America. I think our idea of an unbiased media being important to democracy ignores the actual history of this country. Up until the advent of broadcast media, our media consisted of newspapers, periodicals, and leaflets that, for the most part, were anything but “unbiased”. We know that major city newspapers went so far as to publish false accounts of murders, and of course Hearst Is a well-known example of a media tycoon using his properties to lie to the populace. Only with broadcast media, which (under FDR) were regulated because the radio spectrum was deemed to be “public property”, did we start to see the idea of factual reporting. For two reasons, one that the medium tried to attract a mass audience to maximize advertising revenue, and secondly, to avoid losing their license upon annual review. This gave rise to a “somewhat Golden Era” of journalism that ran from about 1950 to 1980. Once radio declined and cable penetration grew, there was no more impetus to either attract mass audiences nor protect licenses. So here we are, back where we have historically been, with hucksters and liars controlling the media for personal financial gain, either directly or through the achievement of political power. I think we need to look for other vehicles to move our cause forward, “unbiased media” is gone for good.

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jaunte  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:53:22am
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Skip Intro  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:56:58am

re: #269 jaunte

Where’s that up and coming Fredrick Douglas kid?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:57:16am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

Hispanics are among the most heavily Christian groups out there and wingnuts hate them.

wrong kind of christian. and their family values are wrong. they believe in strong families and strong communities. that also means strong community institutions and schools. because they believe in helping each other realize the american dream. through hard work and initiative nonetheless, but also through joint efforts. that is not in keeping with a lot of modern conservative ideology.

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Kragar  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:58:04am
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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:58:25am

re: #271 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

wrong kind of christian. and their family values are wrong. they believe in strong families and strong communities. that also means strong community institutions and schools. because they believe in helping each other realize the american dream. through hard work and initiative nonetheless, but also through joint efforts. that is not in keeping with a lot of modern conservative ideology.

They’re also very accepting of gay family members because family.

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allegro  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:59:28am

re: #273 Belafon

They’re also very accepting of gay family members because family.

I think they’re mostly Catholic as well. Only fundie Protestants need apply.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:59:48am

re: #268 Old Liberal

As we’ve seen with (most of) the Washington Post after the election, we have the ability to affect coverage with our money. We on the left need to become more savvy with this ability.

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 10:59:57am

re: #263 MsJ

He doesn’t need a job. He has more than $100 grand in pensions from WI.

Funny how conservatives think public pensions are too rich.

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TedStriker  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:02:46am

re: #276 Old Liberal

Funny how conservatives think public pensions are too rich.

When it’s paid to people other than them.

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:03:11am

re: #275 Belafon

As we’ve seen with (most of) the Washington Post after the election, we have the ability to affect coverage with our money. We on the left need to become more savvy with this ability.

Can you expand on that thought? I’m not familiar.

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jaunte  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:06:28am

Strap this fucker to the first bomb.
theguardian.com

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:08:37am

re: #271 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

wrong kind of christian. and their family values are wrong. they believe in strong families and strong communities. that also means strong community institutions and schools. because they believe in helping each other realize the american dream. through hard work and initiative nonetheless, but also through joint efforts. that is not in keeping with a lot of modern conservative ideology.

Well that and they’re often the wrong skin color.

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:10:37am

Just reviewing Kentucky law, and find that “nudist societies” are required by law to get a license. Further, they have to maintain a “members list” and show it to the sheriff whenever the county executive requires. How’s that limited government doing, Rand? Title XIX Public Safety and Morals. Let freedom ring!!!!!

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:11:55am

re: #277 TedStriker

When it’s paid to people other than them.

Well see here now, they earned it and they have it coming. Its contractual. Unless its not, then they’re just takers from hard working responsible gun twirling taxpayers.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:13:50am

re: #278 Old Liberal

Can you expand on that thought? I’m not familiar.

I’d write something longer if I were home, but, basically, due to the investigations of David Fahrenthold what’s his name during the election (I can’t think of it right now) working at the Post, the paper got a whole lot of new subscriptions after the election, including from me. That allowed them to hire quite a few new reporters, which gave them the ability to do the investigation that led to the stories about Roy Moore.

Edited: Someone gave me the right name.

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:18:37am

re: #283 Belafon

I’d write something longer if I were home, but, basically, due to the investigations of what’s his name during the election (I can’t think of it right now) working at the Post, the paper got a whole lot of new subscriptions after the election, including from me. That allowed them to hire quite a few new reporters, which gave them the ability to do the investigation that led to the stories about Roy Moore.

Ok, get your point. But it is still Bezos paper. I’m not sure what his intention is. Maybe good, maybe bad, maybe both. I think we need to think about giving up on the old models. Ratings are quite low, I think Meet the Conservatives on NBC gets a 3 rating, radio listening is way down, cable is fragmented. Maybe by hyping new music artists with good messages we could reach and motivate younger voters, for example. These transition times are always tough.

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BeenHereAwhile  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:20:06am

re: #157 MsJ

Some states forbid that. Marsha Blackburn’s state comes to mind. And they LOVE that the state can’t do anything for its citizens. There is literally nothing republican’s don’t want to fuck you over for.

EPB, also known as the Electric Power Board of Chattanooga, is an American electric power distribution and telecommunications company owned by the city of Chattanooga, Tennessee.[1] In 2010, EPB was the first company in the United States to offer 1 Gbit/s high-speed internet, over 200 times faster than the national average.[2] On October 15, 2015, Chattanooga implemented the world’s first community-wide 10-gig Internet service, available to all homes and businesses in EPB’s service area.

en.wikipedia.org

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:21:18am

re: #284 Old Liberal

Ok, get your point. But it is still Bezos paper. I’m not sure what his intention is. Maybe good, maybe bad, maybe both. I think we need to think about giving up on the old models. Ratings are quite low, I think Meet the Conservatives on NBC gets a 3 rating, radio listening is way down, cable is fragmented. Maybe by hyping new music artists with good messages we could reach and motivate younger voters, for example. These transition times are always tough.

Here’s how I think we’re going to have to defeat it: Pay for some of it. If you want to control the content, then you have to be the source of income, not the source of eyeballs only. And maybe some of us subsidize the content for others (I can pay will others here don’t have extra money), but we’re going to have to end advertiser led news content.

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Weaselone  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:24:12am

re: #268 Old Liberal

The problem of course is

1. Back in the day, the populous wasn’t expecting unbiased news. Because of the “golden period” you mention, lots of people are expecting news to be that way and what they see on Facebook to be true. The fake news peddlers are taking advantage of that fact until people adjust and go back to the old model of news consumption.
2. We have big blocks of the media regarded as “liberal” that are still living in the old paradigm, trying to be balanced on a partisan basis as a proxy for straight news reporting.
3. Liberal partisan news sources are limited and sizable chunk are likely to be right wing ratfucking operations. That means at best in many areas of the country as Anymouse reminds us the only source of news is right wing. In many other areas you have right wing media balanced by nonpartisan media. It’s rare that you have a straight liberal partisan source as a balance. That results in a massive tilt to the right for media, which gives cover to Republicans even though there views are in many cases far outside the mainstream.

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:25:47am

re: #286 Belafon

Here’s how I think we’re going to have to defeat it: Pay for some of it. If you want to control the content, then you have to be the source of income, not the source of eyeballs only. And maybe some of us subsidize the content for others (I can pay will others here don’t have extra money), but we’re going to have to end advertiser led news content.

Agree, but how do we get new eyeballs looking? The disaffected, occasional voters? To me, that is who we need to reach. If we could pick up just 5% of the reluctant voters, and keep them engaged, we’d make great strides. But we’re not going to get them through anything like LGF or MSNBC.

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:28:17am

re: #287 Weaselone

The problem of course is

1. Back in the day, the populous wasn’t expecting unbiased news. Because of the “golden period” you mention, lots of people are expecting news to be that way and what they see on Facebook to be true. The fake news peddlers are taking advantage of that fact until people adjust and go back to the old model of news consumption.
2. We have big blocks of the media regarded as “liberal” that are still living in the old paradigm, trying to be balanced on a partisan basis as a proxy for straight news reporting.
3. Liberal partisan news sources are limited and sizable chunk are likely to be right wing ratfucking operations. That means at best in many areas of the country as Anymouse reminds us the only source of news is right wing. In many other areas you have right wing media balanced by nonpartisan media. It’s rare that you have a straight liberal partisan source as a balance. That results in a massive tilt to the right for media, which gives cover to Republicans even though there views are in many cases far outside the mainstream.

I agree, still struggling with people who say “they can’t put it on television if it isn’t true”. That ended long ago.

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gocart mozart  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:28:34am

Of course, like a numnuts, I wrote ‘your’ instead of ‘you’re’
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Stanley Sea  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:29:21am

re: #283 Belafon

I’d write something longer if I were home, but, basically, due to the investigations of what’s his name during the election (I can’t think of it right now) working at the Post, the paper got a whole lot of new subscriptions after the election, including from me. That allowed them to hire quite a few new reporters, which gave them the ability to do the investigation that led to the stories about Roy Moore.

David Fahrenthold

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Kragar  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:32:19am
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Weaselone  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:32:59am

re: #288 Old Liberal

Agree, but how do we get new eyeballs looking? The disaffected, occasional voters? To me, that is who we need to reach. If we could pick up just 5% of the reluctant voters, and keep them engaged, we’d make great strides. But we’re not going to get them through anything like LGF or MSNBC.

Someone has to step up and chip in the cash to acquire/found and support liberal leaning local media. If you have the only local media source, or the one the provides the best coverage of local news and events then you have a platform to counter right wing propaganda through straight, or even liberally biased coverage.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:34:38am

re: #288 Old Liberal

Agree, but how do we get new eyeballs looking? The disaffected, occasional voters? To me, that is who we need to reach. If we could pick up just 5% of the reluctant voters, and keep them engaged, we’d make great strides. But we’re not going to get them through anything like LGF or MSNBC.

I think my example is how. Luckily, we had David Fahrenthold (and Eichenwald at Newsweek). That, plus Trump, drove people to subscribe to the Washington Post, which allowed them to get more reporters, which led to stories like Moore. Now, we need to encourage more people to subscribe to papers.

I also think, as we’re seeing in the special elections and the VA election, that we’ve had a reversal on the reluctant voters. We have to build on that with GOTV efforts.

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lawhawk  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:35:20am
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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:38:48am

re: #294 Belafon

I think my example is how. Luckily, we had David Fahrenthold (and Eichenwald at Newsweek). That, plus Trump, drove people to subscribe to the Washington Post, which allowed them to get more reporters, which led to stories like Moore. Now, we need to encourage more people to subscribe to papers.

I also think, as we’re seeing in the special elections and the VA election, that we’ve had a reversal on the reluctant voters. We have to build on that with GOTV efforts.

Not denying, but I think the Russian model is more effective. Highly target messages to specific people based on their interests and social groups.

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MsJ  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:42:01am

re: #285 BeenHereAwhile

EPB, also known as the Electric Power Board of Chattanooga, is an American electric power distribution and telecommunications company owned by the city of Chattanooga, Tennessee.[1] In 2010, EPB was the first company in the United States to offer 1 Gbit/s high-speed internet, over 200 times faster than the national average.[2] On October 15, 2015, Chattanooga implemented the world’s first community-wide 10-gig Internet service, available to all homes and businesses in EPB’s service area.

en.wikipedia.org

Maybe I got the state wrong. One of the states outlawed it. I remember Blackburn talking about it, though.

No, I was right. This is from 2016.

An appeals court on Wednesday sided with the telecom industry, and with North Carolina and Tennessee, in a major decision that upheld the ability of states to pass laws that restrict municipalities from offering broadband internet services.

In a technical 25-page ruling, a three judge panel of the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati found the FCC had over-stepped its bounds. While a section of the Telecommunications Act allows the agency to overrule state laws that interfere with federal broadband policy, the court found the law lacked clear language to say the FCC could interfere with municipal arrangements.

The ruling means North Carolina and Tennessee can now force the cities to curtail their broadband offerings, and gives the green light to more than a dozen other states, which have similar laws, to do the same.

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Weaselone  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:42:02am

re: #290 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

Of course, like a numnuts, I wrote ‘your’ instead of ‘you’re’

This is pretty much true. It almost always ends up with some sort of analogy reduced to the point of absurdity. Like the government shouldn’t spend money during a recession because they’ll end up wasting it building fishing boats nobody really needs instead of letting the free market bring things into order.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:42:06am

LOL

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piratedan  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:42:30am

re: #295 lawhawk

6 Brady Law violations by the Federal Prosecutors is the reason why… they fucked up, hence the bad guys walk.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:43:38am

re: #300 piratedan

6 Brady Law violations by the Federal Prosecutors is the reason why… they fucked up, hence the bad guys walk.

This is why Mueller is taking his time.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:44:49am

I’m surprised there isn’t a derogatory nickname for Oprah floating around out there.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:46:38am

re: #302 Dave In Austin

I’m surprised there isn’t a derogatory nickname for Oprah floating around out there.

I’m sure he’ll have one.

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Weaselone  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:48:30am

re: #300 piratedan

6 Brady Law violations by the Federal Prosecutors is the reason why… they fucked up, hence the bad guys walk.

At this point are we sure these violations were unintentional? I would expect Federal Prosecutors to be somewhat competent, yet in their dealings with both this case and the Wildlife Refuge, there appear to be a lot of unforced errors. Does this routinely happen in other cases?

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:49:54am

re: #295 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

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I hope many Native Americans take back their land (and any fucking buildings on it) in response to this ruling. Alcatraz times 1000.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:50:47am

We are so fucked if Oprah is the answer to Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:52:44am

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

We are so fucked if Oprah is the answer to Trump.

We can and should do better.

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piratedan  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:54:27am

re: #304 Weaselone

my limited understanding is that these violations are a matter of where the prosecution didn’t share information with the Defense. IANAL but my understanding is that if you’re altering the playing field by not following the basics, then perhaps your case isn’t everything it should be. While I loathe the Bundy clan being able to walk, this is what I expect from Judges, fairness and honesty, the rules are supposed to apply to everyone, unlike that bullshit that went down in Virginia in regards to the state lege seat.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:55:52am

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

With all respect for her, popularity and a wonderful speech, I think Liz Warren and other upstanding democrats of professional political merit are the better candidates.

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:57:51am

re: #308 piratedan

my limited understanding is that these violations are a matter of where the prosecution didn’t share information with the Defense. IANAL but my understanding is that if you’re altering the playing field by not following the basics, then perhaps your case isn;t everything it should be. While I loathe the Bundy clan being able to walk, this is what I expect from Judges, fairness and honesty, the rules are supposed to apply to everyone, unlike that bullshit that went down in Virginia in regards to the state lege seat.

I agree, rules apply to everyone. I hope the prosecutors didn’t intentionally throw the case. Assuming they didn’t, perhaps they should lose their jobs, this is not only sloppy but a failure of legal ethics.

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plansbandc  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:58:34am

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

She’s not.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:58:38am

re: #309 Unshaken Defiance

With all respect for her, popularity and a wonderful speech, I think Liz Warren and other upstanding democrats of professional political merit are the better candidates.

Exactly.

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:58:39am

re: #306 The Vicious Babushka

We are so fucked if Oprah is the answer to Trump.

Don’t worry, we’ll all get behind The Rock!!!!

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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:59:07am

Talking with a colleague about Oprah, said “We could do worse”, shortly followed by “for example, Trump”.

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lawhawk  Jan 8, 2018 • 11:59:37am

re: #313 Old Liberal

Don’t worry, we’ll all get behind The Rock!!!!

We’re already in a hard place….

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lawhawk  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:01:24pm

I question Oprah’s judgment in people: Dr. Phil. Dr. Oz, etc.

She’s a great actress and a savvy businesswoman, but that doesn’t make her any more knowledgeable about the legal process than idiot Trump and his merry band of bigots.

Thanks, but no thanks.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:06:22pm

re: #316 lawhawk

She can be a better advocate and activist all on her own anyway. Unconstrained by civil governance law obligations. Maybe better even in a campaign for a more professional candidate.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:07:40pm

re: #317 Unshaken Defiance

She can be a better advocate and activist all on her own anyway. Unconstrained by civil governance law obligations. Maybe better even in a campaign for a more professional candidate.

Which she did for Obama in fact.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:12:46pm

re: #316 lawhawk

I question Oprah’s judgment in people: Dr. Phil. Dr. Oz, etc.

She’s a great actress and a savvy businesswoman, but that doesn’t make her any more knowledgeable about the legal process than idiot Trump and his merry band of bigots.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Great points.

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retired cynic  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:35:46pm

re: #279 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Strap this fucker to the first bomb.
theguardian.com

Holy Sh*t!


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