In the Latest Heartless Move by This Awful Administration, Trump Is Telling 200,000 Legal Salvadoran Residents to Get Out of the US

Two hundred thousand Salvadoran families have been living legally in the US for 10 years.

But now the evil bastards in the Trump administration are throwing all these people out: 200,000 Salvadorans may be forced to leave the U.S. as Trump ends immigration protection.

In one of its most significant immigration decisions , the Trump administration said Monday that it will terminate the provisional residency permits of about 200,000 Salvadorans who have lived in the country since at least 2001, leaving them to potentially face deportation.

The administration said it will give the Salvadorans until Sept. 9, 2019, to leave the United States or find a way to obtain legal residency, according to a statement Monday from the Department of Homeland Security. The Salvadorans were granted what is known as Temporary Protected Status, or TPS, after earthquakes hit the country in 2001, and their permits have been renewed on an 18-month basis since then.

This is unconscionable. These people have been following all the rules and putting their names on record with the federal government, and now Donald Trump is going to use that very fact against them to target them for cruel, unjust expulsion.

Needless to say, the Salvadorans affected by this horrible decision are simply devastated.

Oscar Cortez feels like he has an ordinary American life. He carries a Costco card. He roots for the Boston Red Sox. And five days a week, he rises before dawn, pulls on four shirts and two pairs of pants, and ventures into the frigid air to work as a plumber, a good job that pays for his Maryland townhouse and his daughters’ college fund.

The U.S. government opened the door to this life in 2001 when it granted Cortez and about 200,000 other migrants from El Salvador Temporary Protected Status (TPS), a provisional relief from deportation that has allowed them to work legally in the United States for 17 years. On Monday, according to multiple people briefed on the plans, the federal government will take it away.

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368 comments

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:07:01pm

WTF is the matter with this guy? Oh, right brown people. Can’t have those around if he can help it.

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freetoken  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:07:21pm

Not only is Donald Trump a horrible person, but his supporters are horrible people.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:08:16pm

As an immigrant myself this makes me sick to my stomach.

And these assholes call themselves “Pro life”.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:09:11pm

I know so many Salvadorans from where I grew up. These people. They are our friends, family, coworkers, etc. This is more or less their home.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:09:38pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

As an immigrant myself this makes me sick to my stomach.

And these assholes call themselves “Pro life”.

And “pro family.”

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darthstar  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:11:51pm
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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:11:52pm

re: #2 freetoken

Not only is Donald Trump a horrible person, but his supporters are horrible people.

This is why the “we agree not to talk politics” is not an option for me. I don’t hang with Nazis and White Supremacists, family or otherwise. Fuck them. There is something wrong with their brains. I ain’t got that many years left to waste pretending that assholes aren’t really assholes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:12:34pm

He said that there was gonna be a big beautiful door.

An Out door

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Kragar  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:12:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:14:05pm

re: #7 Old Liberal

This is why the “we agree not to talk politics” is not an option for me. I don’t hang with Nazis and White Supremacists, family or otherwise. Fuck them. There is something wrong with their brains. I ain’t got that many years left to waste pretending that assholes aren’t really assholes.

I feel fortunate most of my family and close friends oppose this administration.

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lawhawk  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:14:09pm

They’re taxpayers.

They’ve paid into Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and they’re productive residents of the US.

They’re here because they’re working to give themselves and their families a better life.

Trump is a fucking nut who thinks that if you’re not white and European, you don’t belong here.

Why the move? It’s because he’s a bigot. There’s no other reason to end this program.

It’s worked. It’s working.

Or has someone whispered in his ear so that when he hears Salvadorans all he thinks of is MS-13?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:14:21pm

Yeah, there’s probably a reason nobody else will, Lindsey.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:14:51pm

re: #9 Kragar

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It’s cruel, cowardly, it’s a Trump policy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:15:08pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

I feel fortunate most of my family and close friends oppose this administration.

I delete most all political posts on FB, be they pro or anti-Trump.

If I want to discuss politics, I come to sites like this

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:15:21pm

re: #12 Blind Frog Belly White

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Yeah, there’s probably a reason nobody else will, Lindsey.

Maybe because he’s not a genius?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:15:56pm

re: #14 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I delete most all political posts on FB, be they pro or anti-Trump.

If I want to discuss politics, I come to sites like this

Not just talking social media, it comes up in conversation inevitably.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:16:46pm

re: #14 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I delete most all political posts on FB, be they pro or anti-Trump.

If I want to discuss politics, I come to sites like this

All of us will vote and will vote against Trump. Zero votes changed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:16:57pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

Maybe because he’s not a genius?

Indeed. Of all the people that nobody else will call geniuses, pretty much all of them aren’t geniuses.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:17:29pm

re: #11 lawhawk

They’re taxpayers.

They’ve paid into Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and they’re productive residents of the US.

They’re here because they’re working to give themselves and their families a better life.

Trump is a fucking nut who thinks that if you’re not white and European, you don’t belong here.

Why the move? It’s because he’s a bigot. There’s no other reason to end this program.

It’s worked. It’s working.

Or has someone whispered in his ear so that when he hears Salvadorans all he thinks of is MS-13?

Someone definitely did. And it infuriates me.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:17:43pm

re: #12 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, there’s probably a reason nobody else will, Lindsey.

Maybe Trump misspoke and meant to say genus.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:18:07pm

Sebastian Gorka - the gift that keeps on giving. I imagine he’s another of those people that nobody else would call a genius.

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darthstar  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:19:24pm

re: #21 Blind Frog Belly White

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Sebastian Gorka - the gift that keeps on giving. I imagine he’s another of those people that nobody else would call a genius.

Release the Gorka Tapes, Mr. Wolff.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:20:18pm

re: #18 Blind Frog Belly White

Indeed. Of all the people that nobody else will call geniuses, pretty much all of them aren’t geniuses.

Hell I hate it when I’ve been called a genius. No I just read a lot.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:21:12pm

The El Salvadoran policy reeks of Creepy Eyes Miller.

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dangerman  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:23:05pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

I know so many Salvadorans from where I grew up. These people. They are our friends, family, coworkers, etc. This is more or less their home.

they are legal
they came here and built lives
they work, pay taxes, participate, own homes

they arent the “illegals, rapists, criminals, etc etc”

they are the model
what is the effin point?

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plansbandc  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:23:37pm

I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that we have an administration that has no problem making 200,000 thousand people leave. And the amount of people in this country who totally support this makes me ill.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:24:25pm

re: #25 dangerman

they are legal
they came here and built lives
they work, pay taxes, participate, own homes

they arent the “illegals, rapists, criminals, etc etc”

they are the model
what is the effin point?

Deport the brown people because Trump doesn’t like them.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:25:06pm

re: #26 plansbandc

I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that we have an administration that has no problem making 200,000 thousand people leave. And the amount of people in this country who totally support this makes me ill.

Worse is people who not only support it but think it too lenient.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:25:18pm

re: #26 plansbandc

I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that we have an administration that has no problem making 200,000 thousand people leave. And the amount of people in this country who totally support this makes me ill.

He and a lot of people would ship anyone they accuse of being Latino out of the country. If they could get away with it, it wouldn’t matter if they are citizens.

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dangerman  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:25:29pm

re: #9 Kragar

Trump admin official, asked whether they’re telling TPS holders to move their 197K US-born kids to El Salvador: “We’re not getting involved in individual family decisions.”

this is asinine

you just got involved in EVERY family’s decisions

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:26:08pm

Their leader conspired with a hostile power to gain power.
Their congressional leaders are complicit by not reining in this administration.
Their leader repeatedly lies.
Their leader has broken laws against self-enrichment.
Their leader has diminished American influence around the world.
Their entire conservative party is attacking media in order to neuter it.
Their entire conservative party is attacking long standing government institutions.
A large block of the conservative party is subverting the rule of law and attempting to use the legal system to attack opposing politicians.

But, you know, we should all just get along, its just politics, no need to make anyone uncomfortable. We’ll just agree to disagree, that’s what we’ll do. Good people can do all support all the things above and still be good people.
Spits

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Kragar  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:26:30pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:26:30pm

re: #29 Belafon

He and a lot of people would ship anyone they accuse of being Latino out of the country. If they could get away with it, it wouldn’t matter if they are citizens.

They’d criminalize Spanish if they wanted to.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:26:56pm

re: #32 Kragar

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Well said.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:27:40pm

And as always, the people most fearful of immigrants are those who live where there are none.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:28:28pm

My brother’s extended family is Hispanic. Quite honestly some of the kindest and most generous people I know. My brother’s cousins in law’s even ask about our grandma. I love my own cousins but they wouldn’t ask my sil about hers.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:29:00pm

re: #35 Blind Frog Belly White

And as always, the people most fearful of immigrants are those who live where there are none.

Yep. Fucking racist babies.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:29:37pm

re: #32 Kragar

I think this has been discussed for a few weeks because the most recent renewal date was coming up.

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Kragar  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:30:10pm

re: #38 Belafon

I think this has been discussed for a few weeks because the most recent renewal date was coming up.

I question the timing of the announcement
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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:30:20pm

re: #38 Belafon

I think this has been discussed for a few weeks because the most recent renewal date was coming up.

Probably but Miller getting schooled didn’t hurt.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:30:30pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

Not just talking social media, it comes up in conversation inevitably.

If I am pressed, I just say that I do not think that Trump has the experience or the character for the office and then try to change the subject. I do not go into any details.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:30:59pm

re: #41 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If I am pressed, I just say that I do not think that Trump has the experience or the character for the office and then try to change the subject. I do not go into any details.

That’s your choice.

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wrenchwench  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:31:06pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

They’d criminalize Spanish if they wanted to.

Tell it to the populations of Los Angeles, San Francisco and New Mexico. All will say no twice, once in English and again in Spanish.

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unproven innocence  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:32:15pm

About November, I chatted briefly with a neigbor of my daughter, who lives in a rather diversified neighborhood. He mentioned that he was from El Salvador …and hated Mexicans.

Trumpism sucks.

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:32:15pm

re: #43 wrenchwench

Tell it to the populations of Los Angeles, San Francisco and New Mexico. All will say no twice, once in English and again in Spanish.

If they were efficient, they’d combine the words. :)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:33:15pm

“When I was growing up, I never thought I’d have to Press 1 for English in my own country!”

When you were growing up, you never thought you’d have to press 1 for anything, because you grew up with a rotary phone.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:34:42pm

re: #46 Blind Frog Belly White

“When I was growing up, I never thought I’d have to Press 1 for English in my own country!”

People were speaking Spanish in most of the Southwest long before anybody spoke English there.

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:36:09pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

Yep. Fucking racist babies.

Yeah, but what about the people who agree this is bad, but only unborn babies and tax cuts matter? Who is going to think about them? They are in such a difficult place. What to do, be complicit, or speak up? What about those who have such earnest beliefs about limited government? How could they be expected to speak up about this? ////

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:37:26pm

re: #43 wrenchwench

Tell it to the populations of Los Angeles, San Francisco and New Mexico. All will say no twice, once in English and again in Spanish.

Ha!

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makeitstop  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:37:52pm

Bannon was against Trump before he was for him.

A conservative watchdog group led by Bannon tried to discredit Trump in the early stages of the 2016 Republican presidential primary by shopping a document alleging that Trump had ties to mobsters, according to conservative sources and a copy of the document reviewed by CNN.

The anti-Trump opposition research was the work of author Peter Schweizer for the Government Accountability Institute, which he cofounded with Bannon in 2012. It described years of alleged business connections between Trump companies and organized crime figures, allegations that have circulated among Trump detractors for years.

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wrenchwench  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:37:55pm

re: #47 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

People were speaking Spanish in most of the Southwest long before anybody spoke English there.

And they were speaking other languages before they were introduced to the dead man on a stick that points in four directions (to quote one of them in translation).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:38:37pm

re: #47 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

People were speaking Spanish in most of the Southwest long before anybody spoke English there.

And whose family has been here longer. Lots of New Mexican families can trace their roots back to the 17rh century.

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:38:38pm
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calochortus  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:39:01pm

re: #44 unproven innocence

About November, I chatted briefly with a neigbor of my daughter, who lives in a rather diversified neighborhood. He mentioned that he was from El Salvador …and hated Mexicans.

Trumpism sucks.

Not Trumpism per se. People everywhere are the same and some Salvadorans apparently direct their racism toward Mexicans. I remember 20 or 25 years ago a Salvadoran acquaintance of my mother’s was upset that her children were learning “Mexican Spanish” at school. Oh, the horror. /

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:39:01pm

re: #46 Blind Frog Belly White

“When I was growing up, I never thought I’d have to Press 1 for English in my own country!”

When you were growing up, you never thought you’d have to press 1 for anything, because you grew up with a rotary phone.

Boom!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:39:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:39:52pm

re: #56 Blind Frog Belly White

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It gets better. He wants to represent himself.

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:40:12pm

re: #41 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If I am pressed, I just say that I do not think that Trump has the experience or the character for the office and then try to change the subject. I do not go into any details.

I don’t think every interaction has to be an argument. For me, I have no interest in having an argument with a moron. If I am pressed I tell them the Bible says there is no purpose to arguing with a foolish person. I just won’t have a beer with them. or any other social interaction. I don’t play with Nazis or people who support Nazis. YMMV

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:41:12pm

re: #54 calochortus

Not Trumpism per se. People everywhere are the same and some Salvadorans apparently direct their racism toward Mexicans. I remember 20 or 25 years ago a Salvadoran acquaintance of my mother’s was upset that her children were learning “Mexican Spanish” at school. Oh, the horror. /

Mexican Spanish must be the one without the Castilian lisp?

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dangerman  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:43:05pm

re: #58 Old Liberal

I don’t think every interaction has to be an argument. For me, I have no interest in having an argument with a moron. If I am pressed I tell them the Bible says there is no purpose to arguing with a foolish person. I just won’t have a beer with them. or any other social interaction. I don’t play with Nazis or people who support Nazis. YMMV

…or anyone who is not willing to recognize that there are legitimate points of view other than their own

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:43:21pm

re: #54 calochortus

Not Trumpism per se. People everywhere are the same and some Salvadorans apparently direct their racism toward Mexicans. I remember 20 or 25 years ago a Salvadoran acquaintance of my mother’s was upset that her children were learning “Mexican Spanish” at school. Oh, the horror. /

Colorism too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:43:22pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

It gets better. He wants to represent himself.

Oh, my. That IS better!

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:43:25pm

re: #59 Blind Frog Belly White

Mexican Spanish must be the one without the Castilian lisp?

Well, how would we feel if our children ran around talking about the philosopher’s stone?

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calochortus  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:44:39pm

re: #59 Blind Frog Belly White

Mexican Spanish must be the one without the Castilian lisp?

Or the lack of a lisp is different. Or something.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:47:54pm

re: #64 calochortus

Or the lack of a lisp is different. Or something.

Years ago, I worked with a Japanese post-doc who’d learned English in Australia. That was trippy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:47:57pm

I did have the opposite experience. SiL’s sister is married to a Salvadoran. The three of us were at a baseball game this summer. We sat near some other Spanish speakers. Being an English native speaker, I was curious where the guys were from. They listened and guessed Dominican or Puerto Rican. Ended up being Dominicans and we enjoyed the game together. I enjoyed teaching both my SiL’s sister and her husband about baseball, my favorite sport and we shared some good laughs about our niece.

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John Carter  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:48:31pm

re: #316 lawhawk

I question Oprah’s judgment in people: Dr. Phil. Dr. Oz, etc.

She’s a great actress and a savvy businesswoman, but that doesn’t make her any more knowledgeable about the legal process than idiot Trump and his merry band of bigots.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Look, she is not perfect but I would refrain from tearing down anyone who will bring us back to sanity and compassion.

A huge part of being a politician is communicating and gaining consensus. I always felt like that was Bill Clinton’s big strength. She is an amazing communicator who has curated her public image over the years better than anyone. She will hire and appoint people who are sympathetic to our cause and based on her background favorable to the underprivileged.

Obama was amazing but one of his flaws was reaching the masses. Everything he did made sense to me but was too easily criticized and he would sometimes lose in the court of public opinion when he should have won.

Oprah is not my cup of tea but if she ran she would be a shoe in. Trump has inoculated her against the biggest attack against her. If the democrats want to pass universal healthcare do you want wonky Elizabeth Warren explaining it to the rubes or Oprah? What else is on our wishlist? Getting rid of gerrymandering? Sherrod Brown explaining it to the masses or Oprah? Kaine explaining gun control?

How do you think she would do in debates? How freaking long would he coattails be? Would she bring out the minorities? The female vote? Soccer moms?

We are going to tear her down before the other side even starts? Gee I wonder how we didn’t win last time?

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dangerman  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:48:35pm

apropos of nothing, just heard from mrs dm who read it …somewhere in netland:

I wouldnt have to manage my anger if people would manage their fucking stupidity

it’s going to be the new sign on my desk, taking the place of
“smart people are frequently disappointed”

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:49:15pm

re: #60 dangerman

…or anyone who is not willing to recognize that there are legitimate points of view other than their own

Points of view are one thing. I cannot stay calm when they are trying to push absolute lies as facts to back their opinions or points of view. That drives me right over the edge. At that point I will give them the hand and walk away.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:49:20pm

re: #65 Blind Frog Belly White

Years ago, I worked with a Japanese post-doc who’d learned English in Australia. That was trippy.

There’s a former African refugee who became the first black mayor in Slovenia. The people love him there.

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wrenchwench  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:49:35pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Colorism too.

My brother, who lives in Bogota, asked a guy at a party what’s up with the prejudice against the coastal Columbians (where more Black people live). He said, ‘Oh, those people. They’re so lazy and will never amount to much.’ My brother said, ‘There are people in my country who feel that way about your whole country, in fact, your whole continent.’

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gocart mozart  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:51:44pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:52:29pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

There’s a former African refugee who became the first black mayor in Slovenia. The people love him there.

I meant her accent.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:53:58pm

re: #71 wrenchwench

My brother, who lives in Bogota, asked a guy at a party what’s up with the prejudice against the coastal Columbians (where more Black people live). He said, ‘Oh, those people. They’re so lazy and will never amount to much.’ My brother said, ‘There are people in my country who feel that way about your whole country, in fact, your whole continent.’

I believe it. I’ve heard about it in Peru second hand from my brother and he says there’s a lot of discrimination towards indigenous people too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:54:58pm

re: #73 Blind Frog Belly White

I meant her accent.

Yeah I know, this mayor would be speaking Slovene with an African influenced accent too.

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:57:08pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

I believe it. I’ve heard about it in Peru second hand from my brother and he says there’s a lot of discrimination towards indigenous people too.

Wouldn’t it be nice if our great nation, the land of immigrants, was leading by example away from bigotry? Calling people around the world to a higher standard? Being like, a shining city on a hill? Oh, silly me. Fuck that slogan.

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dangerman  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:57:20pm

re: #69 Eventual Carrion

Points of view are one thing. I cannot stay calm when they are trying to push absolute lies as facts to back their opinions or points of view. That drives me right over the edge. At that point I will give them the hand and walk away.

i agree. i was being generous with “points of view”
lies are not points of view. neither are “alternative facts” or any other dissembling

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darthstar  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:58:49pm

I suppose if we really want to see Trump talk to Mueller we should start calling him a chicken-shit who is trying to avoid it at all costs.

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wrenchwench  Jan 8, 2018 • 12:59:32pm

You know you’re living right when you drop your pepper-jack/bacon bread and it lands peanut butter-up.

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dangerman  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:00:08pm

re: #78 darthstar

I suppose if we really want to see Trump talk to Mueller we should start calling him a chicken-shit who is trying to avoid it at all costs.

a genius could take mueller easy

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dangerman  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:01:35pm

re: #79 wrenchwench

You know you’re living right when you drop your pepper-jack/bacon bread and it lands peanut butter-up.

time to revive the buttered cat array paradox

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lawhawk  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:01:50pm

Reminder:

Trump wants to send back these lawful and legal immigrants to El Salvador.

Guess what he’s not giving back: the money all these folks paid into SS/Medicare/Medicaid. They’re lawfully entitled to these funds, but Trump’s going to take the money and run.

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calochortus  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:01:50pm

OT: Mr. C. and I ran errands together this morning (mostly his errands, but we were going past something we both needed to do, so we did the whole lot together.) After stop #3 he commented that we were spending more time driving than we were at any of the stops we made. I think I need to make him do more errands, because really, that’s what errands are. Sigh. I think I’ll keep him anyway. Besides, it gave me a chance to impress him with my knowledge of which side street to take to have the most direct route.

Bonus, the picking up his new glasses part could have been done 2 weeks ago had Kaiser emailed they were in rather than texting the fact to our landline.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:02:19pm

re: #79 wrenchwench

You achieved this by applying butter to the other side of the bread, right?

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MsJ  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:02:32pm

re: #79 wrenchwench

You know you’re living right when you drop your pepper-jack/bacon bread and it lands peanut butter-up.

5 second rule!

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darthstar  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:03:31pm

re: #80 dangerman

a genius could take mueller easy

Exactly.

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dangerman  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:04:13pm

re: #85 MsJ

5 second rule!

not with long haired cats. nope

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wrenchwench  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:05:31pm

re: #85 MsJ

5 second rule!

Keeping the floor clean enough to eat off of is part of the ‘living right’. As is the ‘I’ll eat anything that no longer moves’ attitude.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:06:52pm

Conservatives who keep on repeating “we’re against illegal immigration we support LEGAL immigrants,” are hypocrites. Those 200,000 Salvadorans followed the rules and filed the appropriate paperwork but are still getting deported, much to the delight of those same Right Wingers.

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wrenchwench  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:07:54pm

re: #87 dangerman

not with long haired cats. nope

The cats only lived here for 5 months. They’ve spent the past 9 years at home. Also, mine are short-hairs. I think there was one in my peanut butter. Not a whole cat, just a hair.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:08:46pm

re: #89 DodgerFan1988

Conservatives who keep on repeating “we’re against illegal immigration we support LEGAL immigrants,” are hypocrites. Those 200,000 Salvadorans followed the rules and filed the appropriate paperwork but are still getting deported, much to the delight of those same Right Wingers.

Yep exactly.

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lawhawk  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:09:23pm

Oh, and one more thing about Oprah - she’s not running in the midterms and takes attention off where it needs to be - retaking the Congress from the regressive know nothing GOP that is pushing these insane policies much to the delight of the bigot brigade.

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calochortus  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:09:32pm

re: #90 wrenchwench

The cats only lived here for 5 months. They’ve spent the past 9 years at home. Also, mine are short-hairs. I think there was one in my peanut butter. Not a whole cat, just a hair.

My “grandkitty” (daughter and son-in-law’s cat) is a short hair, but apparently grows in a whole extra coat of fur that is used to shed on things.

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MsJ  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:11:13pm

re: #90 wrenchwench

The cats only lived here for 5 months. They’ve spent the past 9 years at home. Also, mine are short-hairs. I think there was one in my peanut butter. Not a whole cat, just a hair.

I swallow more than that just breathing.

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sagehen  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:12:16pm

re: #26 plansbandc

I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that we have an administration that has no problem making 200,000 thousand people leave. And the amount of people in this country who totally support this makes me ill.

El Salvador has a population of just over 6 million.

Those 200,000 we’re sending back, with their spouses (many of whom are American) and 200,000 children (all of whom are American)… is going to increase El Salvador’s population by almost 10% overnight.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:12:26pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:12:53pm

GAH
*Lights desk on fire, throws it out the window*

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:14:12pm

“Expected to” but who wants to bet he’ll spend time complaining about Fire and Fury?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:16:29pm

Anyway here is what I was up to this afternoon.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:17:57pm

re: #98 The Vicious Babushka

.@POTUS is expected to discuss trade and economic issues in Nashville speech pic.twitter.com

— Fox News

We have the best trade now, the best economy. Jobs booming MAGA! Media won’t tell truth about genius jobs! Lock Her Up!!!1

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:18:40pm

re: #92 lawhawk

Oh, and one more thing about Oprah - she’s not running in the midterms and takes attention off where it needs to be - retaking the Congress from the regressive know nothing GOP that is pushing these insane policies much to the delight of the bigot brigade.

Did she announce she was running for president? I missed that. I was only aware that she made an inspiring speech.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:19:33pm

re: #97 The Vicious Babushka

GAH
*Lights desk on fire, throws it out the window*

Irony has been dug up from its grave, set on fire, drowned, disemboweled, stuck through the eyes with very large scissors, and thrown from the top of the Sears Tower to its death on the streets below, only to be killed in more gruesome ways later.

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allegro  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:19:55pm

re: #101 Belafon

Did she announce she was running for president? I missed that. I was only aware that she made an inspiring speech.

It was a joke.

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Kragar  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:21:05pm
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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:21:21pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

I lived in Costa Rica for 5 years, and saw the same thing. Lighter skinned Ticos criticized darker skinned Ticos as lazy and uneducated.

I can’t remember the comedian who did it, but I saw a bit once about how infuriating it is when black people see white people sun bathing: “I’m gonna lay out here for as LONG as I can and get as DARK as I can……and I’ll STILL BE WHITE!”

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William Lewis  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:21:45pm

Well, seems my truck is almost as unsafe as the van it replaced was. Big chunk of frame rusted out. Got a phone number to call in the morning & even if that welder is willing, I gotta find how ever much coin he wants for the work. If it’s not one damn thing…

Let me tell you, my liver is glad I’m broke!

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:22:00pm

re: #103 allegro

It was a joke.

That’s what I understood.

She’s not distracting from the midterms.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:22:05pm
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Ace-o-aces  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:23:33pm
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Sir John Barron  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:23:52pm

re: #98 The Vicious Babushka

“Expected to” but who wants to bet he’ll spend time complaining about Fire and Fury?

Have you seen the stock market? Record numbers, highs, Yuuuuuge. I’ve been Very Strict very safe market.

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sagehen  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:23:56pm

re: #101 Belafon

Did she announce she was running for president? I missed that. I was only aware that she made an inspiring speech.

Seth Meyers pushes ‘Oprah for President 2020’

Starting just after a minute in.

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calochortus  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:24:01pm

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

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On the other hand, I can’t quite see a series of interviews with Clinton voters asking if they’ve been pleasantly surprised by Trump. So I guess they’re doing the best they can without actually performing acts of journalism.

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dangerman  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:26:28pm

re: #94 MsJ

I swallow more than that just breathing.

indeed

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:27:03pm

re: #95 sagehen

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:27:03pm

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:27:41pm

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

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How many goddamn Trump voters pieces do we fucking need?

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darthstar  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:28:56pm

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JordanRules  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:29:51pm

re: #92 lawhawk

She’s not doing anything right now but giving an important speech that was about representation and being a great example, how that happened in her life (Poitier). It focused on truth, centering equality and justice and about hope. I think she’s keenly aware of how important the midterms are and I’d bet everything in her speech resonates with GOTV for the midterms. Her 1 big political investment was a pretty good one. And no doubt she still talks to Obama who is also working with Holder on voter suppression issues which is very important for the midterms.

Until she starts being a damaging and inept figure like Bernie, then I’m cool with her being around.

How the media handles her is likely to be shitty, but we already expect this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:30:30pm
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Skip Intro  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:31:18pm

Case against Cliven Bundy dismissed, with prejudice.

Expect to see the Bundy clan at the SOTU as Trump’s special guests.

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Citizen K  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:33:37pm

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

And bonus dumb NYT moments:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:38:00pm

re: #122 Citizen K

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Because this friend isn’t biased at all. And yeah where are the Clinton voters stories and I mean those of us who preferred her over Bernie too.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:38:12pm
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darthstar  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:39:44pm

From a friend’s fb feed. Putting in private because he’s a friend. He probably won’t mind my sharing it anonymously, but still…

He just retired recently…at 52. He’s like this in real life. Doesn’t take shit from people who aren’t honest, and is honest to a fault with people he’s just met.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:39:45pm

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

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good fucking grief…what a snowflake…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:39:45pm

re: #124 GlutenFreeJesus

Trickle-up Economics!

Cisco, Pfizer, Coca-Cola plan to turn over gains from proposed tax cuts to shareholders

Shocked I tell you, shocked.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:40:00pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief…what a snowflake…

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Waaah.

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retired cynic  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:41:01pm

re: #106 William Lewis

Well, seems my truck is almost as unsafe as the van it replaced was. Big chunk of frame rusted out. Got a phone number to call in the morning & even if that welder is willing, I gotta find how ever much coin he wants for the work. If it’s not one damn thing…

Let me tell you, my liver is glad I’m broke!

Oh, boy, I’m sorry!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:43:41pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Waaah.

he is such a whiner:

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:45:38pm

re: #106 William Lewis

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rhuarc  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:45:48pm

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

JFC! I don’t tweet anymore but even this made me go out there and reply to them.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:45:51pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

he is such a whiner:

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Gonna need a bluegrass diaper for that one.

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makeitstop  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:46:18pm

re: #122 Citizen K

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Maggie should just walk into the Oval, take her panties off and get it over with.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:46:46pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:48:00pm

There are so many fundamentally broken aspects to the Presidency that Trump is inadvertently exposing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:49:26pm

as a farmer, I know bullshit when I hear/see it.

*vomit*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:52:16pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:54:27pm

re: #26 plansbandc

I just cannot wrap my head around the fact that we have an administration that has no problem making 200,000 thousand people leave. And the amount of people in this country who totally support this makes me ill.

It’s because they think this means that “filthy illegals” will stop stealing jobs from proud ‘Muricans.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:55:00pm

I guess Buzzfeed refuses to call him Chuck. RIP to your mentions Charles.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:56:06pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

Shocked I tell you, shocked.

That article is from November. Which makes it even funnier (or sadder).

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:56:38pm

re: #140 goddamnedfrank

I guess Buzzfeed refuses to call him Chuck. RIP to your mentions Charles.

Not that I want Chuck on Twitter, but I actually hope his lawyers are smart enough to challenge Twitter on the idea that somehow the president can say what he wants but other people can’t.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:58:03pm

re: #140 goddamnedfrank

Who’s representing him? Recent Liberty U grads doing it pro bono?

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darthstar  Jan 8, 2018 • 1:58:40pm
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William Lewis  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:00:49pm

re: #131 PhillyPretzel

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piratedan  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:01:43pm

re: #53 Ace-o-aces

be nice if some persons took those cattle that are brazing (brazenly grazing) on Federal Land and rounded them up and sent them to the slaughterhouse and donated the meat to the regional food banks…

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:03:18pm

re: #143 Ace Rothstein

Who’s representing him? Recent Liberty U grads doing it pro bono?

Robert E Barnes, who was Wesley Snipes tax attorney. This case is way outside his specialty, he’s probably getting paid a lot. Chuck reportedly gained access to approximately $1.5 million money when he froze out Pax Dickenson from their Wesearcher scam, so I expect him to use that and attempt further fundraising from the rubes to pay for this hopeless lawsuit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:03:25pm

*blink*

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:03:42pm

re: #145 William Lewis

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dangerman  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:03:53pm

re: #144 darthstar

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this is jeb bush’s “please clap” with the threat of the military behind it

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William Lewis  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:04:58pm

re: #149 PhillyPretzel

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:05:21pm

GO TO HELL YOU FASCIST SCUM!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:05:41pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:06:00pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:06:20pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:08:04pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

as a farmer, I know bullshit when I hear/see it.

*vomit*

Seconded.

Fuck pastoral sentimentality right in the ear.

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darthstar  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:08:10pm
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dangerman  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:08:33pm

re: #142 Belafon

Not that I want Chuck on Twitter, but I actually hope his lawyers are smart enough to challenge Twitter on the idea that somehow the president can say what he wants but other people can’t.

political views arent a protected class
if a cake baker can refuse to serve lgbt, etc twitter can refuse anyone with red hair

its a private business - free speech dont enter into it

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Belafon  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:09:01pm

re: #152 DodgerFan1988

GO TO HELL YOU FASCIST SCUM!!!

And when I want to feel bad for Republicans, I can see who they bring with them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:11:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:12:44pm
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dangerman  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:14:51pm

re: #152 DodgerFan1988

GO TO HELL YOU FASCIST SCUM!!!

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ample proof that none of these people understand the issue or know what they’re talking about

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:15:30pm

re: #162 dangerman

ample proof that none of these people understand the issue or know what they’re talking about

They just know what Trump and other people have told them about foreigners.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:15:59pm

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Same here in Trump’s backyard. Most of my Hispanic friends and aquatintences have been from there or their folks.

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retired cynic  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:16:19pm

It’s classical music, but a real tear-jerker, and just an amazing video:

Nobuyuki Tsujii - La Campanella by Franz List

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:16:54pm

re: #152 DodgerFan1988

GO TO HELL YOU FASCIST SCUM!!!

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These monsters.

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dangerman  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:17:05pm

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They just know what Trump and other people have told them about foreigners.

“what trump has told them”….the worst kind of stupid

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:17:09pm

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They just know what Trump and other people have told them about foreigners.

They’re monsters.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:17:45pm

re: #167 dangerman

“what trump has told them”….the worst kind of stupid

People who have never met an El Salvadoran and wouldn’t know a pupusa from a tamale.

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Skip Intro  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:21:48pm

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:22:05pm

And yeah I don’t care if it makes me sound like an elitist. I’m proud to lived in diverse areas where people come from all over. I’d much rather live here then some area that refuses to accept changes.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:23:07pm

re: #170 Skip Intro

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Surprised to see Ford so high.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:23:10pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

I agree. Much more interesting. In a good sense.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:23:43pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:24:34pm

re: #173 PhillyPretzel

I agree. Much more interesting. In a good sense.

Went to a Christmas party and there were people of all backgrounds there. That’s the America I love and that’s the America that Trump supporters cower in fear of.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:24:51pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:25:39pm

re: #176 goddamnedfrank

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Yep.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:26:00pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

One of the main reasons why I like to work in and around college campuses. All sorts of people and cultures.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:28:34pm

re: #177 HappyWarrior

Yep.

I probably shouldn’t say this but it wasn’t even that incredible of a speech. I mean it was good, but it’s basically the speech I would have expected her to give. Maybe I just had high expectations but I have a sneaking suspicion is that a lot of people are grading it against the insanely low bar that Trump has set.

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makeitstop  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:29:15pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:31:13pm

re: #179 goddamnedfrank

I probably shouldn’t say this but it wasn’t even that incredible of a speech. I mean it was good, but it’s basically the speech I would have expected her to give. Maybe I just had high expectations but I have a sneaking suspicion is that a lot of people are grading it against the incredibly low bar that Trump has set.

I don’t know how many times America has to learn the lesson about electing actors and entertainers as president.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:31:18pm

...

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:31:58pm

re: #162 dangerman

ample proof that none of these people understand the issue or know what they’re talking about

Ample proof that it’s not “about the economy”
for these deplorable, it’s about race.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:32:14pm

re: #182 HappyWarrior

Yes. That is true but I brown bag my lunch.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:33:22pm

re: #179 goddamnedfrank

I probably shouldn’t say this but it wasn’t even that incredible of a speech. I mean it was good, but it’s basically the speech I would have expected her to give. Maybe I just had high expectations but I have a sneaking suspicion is that a lot of people are grading it against the insanely low bar that Trump has set.

I haven’t seen it yet so I can’t speak objectively on that but I just worry we see anyone as an improvement over Trump and should be trying to do more than that.

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makeitstop  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:33:53pm

re: #180 makeitstop

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Interesting. In his statement, Royce says (emphasis mine):

“In this final year of my Foreign Affairs Committee chairmanship, I want to focus fully on the urgent threats facing our nation, including: the brutal, corrupt and dangerous regimes in Pyongyang and Tehran, Vladimir Putin’s continued efforts to weaponize information to fracture western democracies, and growing terrorist threats in Africa and Central Asia,” Royce said in a statement.

“With this in mind, and with the support of my wife Marie, I have decided not to seek reelection in November.”

Could he be retiring in order to do the right thing with the time he’s got left? I have my doubts, but it’s a nice thought.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:34:00pm

re: #184 PhillyPretzel

Yes. That is true but I brown bag my lunch.

Well if you brown bsg, still lots of choices at the grocery store.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:34:45pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

I don’t how many America has to learn the lesson about electing actors and entertainers as president.

Totally.

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wrenchwench  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:36:10pm

re: #176 goddamnedfrank

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Best answer:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:38:34pm

re: #189 wrenchwench

Best answer:

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Yes.

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wrenchwench  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:41:03pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

Yes.

Which I saw thanks to VB’s baguettes.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:41:37pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

I haven’t seen it yet so I can’t speak objectively on that but I just worry we see anyone as an improvement over Trump and should be trying to do more than that.

I heard people talking about it in the context of Oprah potentially running for President so I probably graded it against a standard set by Obama. Honestly it was better than any speech Sanders made and as good as Hillary’s nomination speech which was probably her best. The thing that really got me though is that it basically had fuck all to do with politics per se, at least outside the narrow context of the me too movement and the history of racial & sexual discrimination in Hollywood. She did reference being thankful for the news media in a modern environment where it’s under attack but overall it just didn’t strike me as being crafted with political ambitions in mind.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:42:04pm

re: #191 wrenchwench

Yum. Those look great.

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makeitstop  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:42:57pm
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wrenchwench  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:43:02pm

re: #193 PhillyPretzel

Yum. Those look great.

Not moving. Would eat.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:45:46pm
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fern01  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:48:50pm

re: #9 Kragar

Trump admin official, asked whether they’re telling TPS holders to move their 197K US-born kids to El Salvador: “We’re not getting involved in individual family decisions.

Mention the word abortion - then see how quickly they get involved in individual family decisions.

Rotten to the core - the GOP - who support this administration.

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darthstar  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:51:36pm
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Skip Intro  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:51:40pm

re: #196 Charles Johnson

He has at least 3 grifts going on there. Made $120.00 so far.

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makeitstop  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:56:07pm

These fucking guys.

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JordanRules  Jan 8, 2018 • 2:57:45pm
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Ace-o-aces  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:01:33pm
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Ace-o-aces  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:04:51pm

Oh for the love of Christ!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:05:25pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

I don’t know how many times America has to learn the lesson about electing actors and entertainers as president.

Yes. THIS. As much as I support a lot of what Oprah does our next President needs to be a politician. The resume should count for something. There’s a reason Community Theater Guys don’t win Tony awards.

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:05:31pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

I don’t know how many times America has to learn the lesson about electing actors and entertainers as president.

Our parents warned us too much TeeVee would rot our brains. It was true!

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:07:04pm

re: #205 ObserverArt

Three letters. PBS.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:07:16pm

Also, attention right wing nutbars:

THE EL SALVADORANS ARE NOT HERE ILLEGALLY YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKERS!

Their protected status gives them legal right to be here. That’s not changing until 9/2019. I can’t stand people who don’t have a damn clue how immigration works.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:11:33pm

re: #207 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, attention right wing nutbars:

THE EL SALVADORANS ARE NOT HERE ILLEGALLY YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKERS!

Their protected status gives them legal right tk be here. That’s not changing until 9/2019. I can’t stand people who don’t have a damn clue how immigration works.

Yeah, but they’re Hispanic so that means they’re bad.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:12:20pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:17:44pm

re: #206 PhillyPretzel

Three letters. PBS.

Which all the people that are into celebrity runs for President never tuned to…ever.

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meteor  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:19:40pm

re: #200 makeitstop

Racist piece of shit.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:23:53pm

Here’s the Rage Furby’s lawsuit against Twitter:

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TedStriker  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:31:02pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

Here’s the Rage Furby’s lawsuit against Twitter:

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Look, he’s going for a jury trial, no doubt thinking they can voir dire enough on the jury to throw things their way.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:32:48pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

Here’s the Rage Furby’s lawsuit against Twitter:

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Right off the bat in that filing, they show that they have absolutely no idea what the First Amendment is about.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:37:50pm

Can you imagine if CCJ won and every shitweasel that ever got banned from Twitter has to be allowed back on?

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Mike Lamb  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:38:06pm

Re: Furby’s suit against Twitter…how can you be against Net Neutrality and belive that you have a cause of action against Twitter for violations of the First Amendment?

Re: the decision to remove TSP protection from 200k El Salvadorans, the cognitive dissonance of stating that they were here illegally, except for Bush and Obama allowing them to be here legally is stunning.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:38:29pm

re: #203 Ace-o-aces

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Oh for the love of Christ!

OFFS will you just shut the fuck up with this stupid bullshit? It was always still okay to say Merry Christmas and Christmas was over two weeks ago. We literally just took our Christmas decorations down today. Stop with this stupid crap. You’re ruining Christmas with this crap.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:42:25pm

Wo! I feel good, I knew that I would, now
I feel good, I knew that I would
So good, so good…

I feel good because my team just added 70-some college students to our voter rolls.
It feels so good that we’re going to do it again tomorrow…

James Brown I feel good

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:43:30pm

I can see how people might make this mistake. Both books involve Nazis.

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BeachDem  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:44:15pm

re: #205 ObserverArt

Our parents warned us too much TeeVee would rot our brains. It was true!

And speaking of rotting brains, have you seen this?

COLUMBUS - Former U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich filed the first step to run for governor Monday, giving Democrats a seven-person primary this May.

JFC on a pogo stick. Just what Ohio needs is another loon in the Dem primary.

cincinnati.com

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Sea Mexican!  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:44:46pm

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:46:48pm

re: #218 Decatur Deb

You’ve earned some James Brown!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:48:41pm

re: #221 Sea Mexican!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:49:16pm

re: #220 BeachDem

And speaking of rotting brains, have you seen this?

COLUMBUS - Former U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich filed the first step to run for governor Monday, giving Democrats a seven-person primary this May.

JFC on a pogo stick. Just what Ohio needs is another loon in the Dem primary.

cincinnati.com

I’m ashamed to say that I used to be fan. Granted I was 16-17 years old but I should have known better.

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KGxvi  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:50:45pm

re: #212 Charles Johnson

You know, as a lawyer, I’m not entirely sure I want to start any filing (and particularly a complaint that shouldn’t be referencing case law anyway) with a citation to a Supreme Court case about the constitutional rights of sex offenders. That goes doubly so when the thrust of the case doesn’t really deal with your issue.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:51:38pm

re: #222 Jebediah, RBG

You’ve earned some James Brown!

All it takes is a little Commitments.

The Commitments - Mustang Sally

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:51:42pm

re: #225 KGxvi

You think CCJ can afford competent attorneys? Lol.

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darthstar  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:51:58pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:52:45pm

re: #220 BeachDem

And speaking of rotting brains, have you seen this?

COLUMBUS - Former U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich filed the first step to run for governor Monday, giving Democrats a seven-person primary this May.

JFC on a pogo stick. Just what Ohio needs is another loon in the Dem primary.

COLUMBUS - Former U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich filed the first step to run for governor Monday, giving Democrats a seven-person primary this May.

Oh gawd. Go away Dennis.

He really doesn’t stand a chance, I can’t figure why he would do this unless it’s all about ego and money.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:53:03pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Or governor.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:53:18pm

re: #229 ObserverArt

Oh gawd. Go away Dennis.

He really doesn’t stand a chance, I can’t figure why he would do this unless it’s all about ego and money.

You answered your own question. It’s why he took the FNC gig.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:55:07pm

re: #226 Decatur Deb

Extra points, of course, for the pun.

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:55:43pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

You answered your own question. It’s why he took the FNC gig.

Therapy. I have to walk this crap through my brain and put it into words to cast it off.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:55:45pm

I’m so tempted to pick a fight with all my wingnut friends who seem to think that lefty college students want us to be Venezuela. They want us to be Norway. I think they’re a little naive but the idea that they want us to become Venezuela or the USSR is profoundly stupid.

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Sea Mexican!  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:56:04pm

re: #44 unproven innocence

About November, I chatted briefly with a neigbor of my daughter, who lives in a rather diversified neighborhood. He mentioned that he was from El Salvador …and hated Mexicans.

Trumpism sucks.

That might not be Trumpism … Let’s just say that there might be hard feelings between all countries and leave it at that.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:56:24pm

re: #233 ObserverArt

Therapy. I have to walk this crap through my brain and put it into words to cast it off.

Yeah I don’t blame you. As I said, I’m embarrassed to admit that I was once a fan. That was a long time ago.

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BeachDem  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:56:29pm

re: #224 HappyWarrior

I’m ashamed to say that I used to be fan. Granted I was 16-17 years old but I should have known better.

Hey, we were all 16-17 once. I think this kos comment says it well about Dennis:

He once was an honorable, if nutty, man. Now, he’s Putin’s mouthpiece… betraying his Eastern European roots. He’s the man who could never be bought, until he was.

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KGxvi  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:57:23pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

Just a reminder:

Idiots or wingnuts, same analogy works.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:58:38pm

re: #237 BeachDem

Hey, we were all 16-17 once. I think this kos comment says it well about Dennis:

He once was an honorable, if nutty, man. Now, he’s Putin’s mouthpiece… betraying his Eastern European roots. He’s the man who could never be bought, until he was.

That’s exactly what did it for me with him. Okay, yeah I can accept maybe being a little too pie in the sky domestically but when you sprout Putin’s bs on FP, you lose me. And you know I’m Eastern European like Dennis himself so I have no love for the Kremlin. I’m not totally in love with Kiev either for how they don’t recognize the Carpatho-Rusyns as our own ethnicity and culture but Kiev is at least democratic and they have a right to their soverignty without the Kremlin interfering.

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wrenchwench  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:58:53pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

I’m so tempted to pick a fight with all my wingnut friends who seem to think that lefty college students want us to be Venezuela. They want us to be Norway. I think they’re a little naive but the idea that they want us to become Venezuela or the USSR is profoundly stupid.

Not even the USSR wants to be the USSR any more. And I think the desire to be Venezuela is diminishing within Venezuela..

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 3:59:57pm

re: #238 KGxvi

Just a reminder:

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Idiots or wingnuts, same analogy works.

Yep, that’s why I stopped myself from posting “What you posted was really fucking stupid” in response to a friend belittling women wanting equal pay to the fact that coal mining is an overwhelmingly male position and that the feminists are hypocrites for not wanting that kind of work. I just felt like saying dude you’re a fucking knife salesman, who the hell are you to look down on anyone?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:01:48pm

re: #240 wrenchwench

Not even the USSR wants to be the USSR any more. And I think the desire to be Venezuela is diminishing within Venezuela..

It’s just so profoundly stupid. Anyhow it was a stupid meme about sending lefty college students to a country that matches their political beliefs for a few months. I felt like being snarky and saying “You want to send them to Norway?” I mean I think they’re a little naive in wanting what those nation states have done since those countries are so much smaller than ours and there wasn’t the racist backlash due to them not being as diverse when they first implemented their policies but that is what those students want. They don’t want Stalinism for fuck sake just like your average capitalist doesn’t want Atlas Shrugged.

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:02:30pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

I’m so tempted to pick a fight with all my wingnut friends who seem to think that lefty college students want us to be Venezuela. They want us to be Norway. I think they’re a little naive but the idea that they want us to become Venezuela or the USSR is profoundly stupid.

Moving goalposts. Scandinavia has been a socialist hellhole to conservatives since jeebus was a toddler.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:04:22pm

re: #243 Old Liberal

Moving goalposts. Scandinavia has been a socialist hellhole to conservatives since jeebus was a toddler.

The funny thing is we’ve never been what either die hard Marxists or die hard Laissez-Faire capitalists think we are. We’re a mixed economy. Most Americans support a mixed economy but most on the right deny that they do even though they clearly do support mixed economic measures.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:06:12pm

It’s one thing to think lefty college kids are a bit naive and it’s anotehr to accuse them of wanting Stalinism or Maoism. Fucking assholes who’ve already got it made looking down on people who just want affordable tuition.

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:06:38pm

re: #244 HappyWarrior

The funny thing is we’ve never been what either die hard Marxists or die hard Laissez-Faire capitalists think we are. We’re a mixed economy. Most Americans support a mixed economy but most on the right deny that they do even though they clearly do support mixed economic measures.

They love to build strawmen. They do it all day, every day. Put them up, knock them down, wiggle their little wang, high fives all around. Strawmen and no-True-Scotsman fallacies.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:07:56pm

re: #246 Old Liberal

They love to build strawmen. They do it all day, every day. Put them up, knock them down, wiggle their little wang, high fives all around. Strawmen and no-True-Scotsman fallacies.

It’s like this, just because you can quote Tom Sowell or Milton Friedman doesn’t make you profound or in any way an economist.

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Sea Mexican!  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:09:02pm

re: #59 Blind Frog Belly White

Mexican Spanish must be the one without the Castilian lisp?

Spanish is very slang dependent. What is an everyday word in one place, it can have very radical meanings elsewhere.

10 (Accidental) Spanish Curse Words - Joanna Rants

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:09:14pm

Equally just because one can quote Chomsky or Zinn doesn’t make you a lefty scholar either. I always try to use my own words and observations when discussing policy with people because I want people to know it comes from my observations and not trying to come off like a pedantic know it all dick.

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:10:19pm

re: #247 HappyWarrior

It’s like this, just because you can quote Tom Sowell or Milton Friedman doesn’t make you profound or in any way an economist.

“Anyone who needs the quotes of others is unable to speak for themselves.” John Z. Bartlett

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Bubblehead II  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:13:24pm

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:13:50pm

re: #250 Old Liberal

“Anyone who needs the quotes of others is unable to speak for themselves.” John Z. Bartlett

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I mean it’s okay to use it as supporting but when you post nothing but quotes of others and use that to insult people who disagree with you, that to me just indicates lesser intelligent or a lack of creativity.

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dangerman  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:13:57pm

re: #196 Charles Johnson

Chuck C. Johnson is already grifting on Freestartr for this frivolous lawsuit. He’s asking for a HUNDRED GRAND.

assume most would go to the lawyers

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:18:02pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

I’m so tempted to pick a fight with all my wingnut friends who seem to think that lefty college students want us to be Venezuela. They want us to be Norway. I think they’re a little naive but the idea that they want us to become Venezuela or the USSR is profoundly stupid.

A while back, I pointed out to a friend, who was disturbed how many Millenials are willing to embrace Socialism (From Each/To Each Socialism), that young people generally have good reason to feel ill-served by Capitalism. This is an underappreciated bit of history - Americans flirted with all sorts of crazy governmental and economic ideas before WWII, largely because Capitalism wasn’t really serving the average guy all that well. During the Cold War, Communism didn’t really catch on because we had harnessed Capitalism and gotten it to work for everybody.

But since the advent of Reagan, we’ve increasingly deregulated it and now it’s serving fewer and fewer people, and young people least of all.

It doesn’t have to be that way.

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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:19:41pm

re: #251 Bubblehead II

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That healthy stuff can kill you.

Take care Bubblehead. Hopefully all the feeling will come back.

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Skip Intro  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:22:04pm

re: #215 Eclectic Cyborg

Can you imagine if CCJ won and every shitweasel that ever got banned from Twitter has to be allowed back on?

In the Trump era I can certainly imagine that.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:23:43pm

re: #254 Blind Frog Belly White

A while back, I pointed out to a friend, who was disturbed how many Millenials are willing to embrace Socialism (From Each/To Each Socialism), that young people generally have good reason to feel ill-served by Capitalism. This is an underappreciated bit of history - Americans flirted with all sorts of crazy governmental and economic ideas before WWII, largely because Capitalism wasn’t really serving the average guy all that well. During the Cold War, Communism didn’t really catch on because we had harnessed Capitalism and gotten it to work for everybody.

But since the advent of Reagan, we’ve increasingly deregulated it and now it’s serving fewer and fewer people, and young people least of all.

It doesn’t have to be that way.

Exactly. Said better than I could. I get tired of older boomers and even Gen Xers who crap on pyople in my generation for not being rah rah capitalism and I just feel like saying gude do you even consider how much regulations we had when you were growing up. We never were your capitalist wet dream. Your beloved 1950’s? Probably among the most socialist time we’ve ever been as a nation and we prospered. I don’t see socialism as a cure all but I certainly don’t see their vision of capitalism either because it’s based on a lie.

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Skip Intro  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:24:46pm

re: #227 Eclectic Cyborg

You think CCJ can afford competent attorneys? Lol.

His attorney does appear to be competent. His guy isn’t an Orly Taitz loon.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:25:15pm

re: #255 ObserverArt

That healthy stuff can kill you.

Take care Bubblehead. Hopefully all the feeling will come back.

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Skip Intro  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:26:54pm

re: #253 dangerman

assume most would go to the lawyers

He’s up to zero dollars the last time I looked.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:26:59pm

Moonbats insist we’re a capitalist hellhole. Wingnuts are disappointed we’re not a capitalist hellhole.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:29:16pm

I am in a coma after dinner of ribollita soup and baguettes.

The cinnamon bread is for breakfast tomorrow.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:29:23pm

re: #257 HappyWarrior

Exactly. Said better than I could. I get tired of older boomers and even Gen Xers who crap on pyople in my generation for not being rah rah capitalism and I just feel like saying gude do you even consider how much regulations we had when you were growing up. We never were your capitalist wet dream. Your beloved 1950’s? Probably among the most socialist time we’ve ever been as a nation and we prospered. I don’t see socialism as a cure all but I certainly don’t see their vision of capitalism either because it’s based on a lie.

Capitalism is a religion to them, rather than a tool.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:30:46pm

re: #258 Skip Intro

His attorney does appear to be competent. His guy isn’t an Orly Taitz loon.

I don’t know, I think a truly competent attorney would never have taken that case.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:32:26pm

re: #263 Blind Frog Belly White

Capitalism is a religion to them, rather than a tool.

Yep. Which is why they get furious when the kids question it. But as said, their idea of capitalism is based on a lie that they’ve told themselves and been told by their talking heads. Trump especially on the matter of trade is no capitalist.

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Skip Intro  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:39:46pm

re: #264 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t know, I think a truly competent attorney would never have taken that case.

Probably took it on a contingency fee.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:41:17pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:43:14pm

re: #267 FormerDirtDart

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Turns out nobody wants new buggywhips.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:44:32pm

re: #267 FormerDirtDart

About as successful as Mitt Romeys “Horses and Bayonets” plan for the Armed forces.

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JordanRules  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:44:45pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:45:00pm

Tweety pushing Oprah for President on Hardball…

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gocart mozart  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:45:19pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:47:35pm

But I thought Trump hated football?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:50:41pm

re: #271 Joe Bacon 🌹

Tweety pushing Oprah for President on Hardball…

That’s how you know it’s a bad diea.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:51:11pm

re: #270 JordanRules

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HOW DARE THEY BOO THE PRESIDENT so say will the people who defended “You lie.”

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:51:16pm
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bill d. (b.d.)  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:53:34pm

re: #273 Eclectic Cyborg

But I thought Trump hated football?

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He does but an Alabama vs. Georgia game is about the only public event that he can go to and be cheered,

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stpaulbear  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:54:44pm

re: #271 Joe Bacon 🌹

Tweety pushing Oprah for President on Hardball…

The snack shop at work is run by a woman who also makes a fair amount of money in real estate. She didn’t like Trump but didn’t like Hillary either so I’m not sure which way she voted. She HATES Trump now. I came into the shop this afternoon and she shouts “Oprah for president!” She’s already sold on the idea. I told her I didn’t want the notion of celebrity presidents to become a thing. She kind of agreed, but Oprah!!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:54:50pm

re: #276 Ace-o-aces

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:56:19pm

re: #278 stpaulbear

The snack shop at work is run by a woman who also makes a fair amount of money in real estate. She didn’t like Trump but didn’t like Hillary either so I’m not sure which way she voted. She HATES Trump now. I came into the shop this afternoon and she shouts “Oprah for president!” She’s already sold on the idea. I told her I didn’t want the notion of celebrity presidents to become a thing. She kind of agreed, but Oprah!!

I just wish people knew there was more to being President than a nice speech. I hate to say it but that’s probably why Obama disappointed some of the left. That’s NOT his fault by the way and I definitely am not blaming him. But purists left and right don’t want a leader, they want an abstraction to make them feel better.

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stpaulbear  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:57:21pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

I just wish people knew there was more to being President than a nice speech. I hate to say it but that’s probably why Obama disappointed some of the left. That’s NOT his fault by the way and I definitely am not blaming him. But purists left and right don’t want a leader, they want an abstraction to make them feel better.

Everybody wants a car.

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Skip Intro  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:57:42pm

re: #271 Joe Bacon 🌹

Tweety pushing Oprah for President on Hardball…

Tweety should have retired years ago.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:58:13pm

re: #281 stpaulbear

Everybody wants a car.

Yep and I’m afraid Trump is a point of no return for our Republic.

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Skip Intro  Jan 8, 2018 • 4:59:37pm

re: #281 stpaulbear

I have two names that disqualify Oprah forever: Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:01:16pm

re: #284 Skip Intro

I have two names that disqualify Oprah forever: Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil.

That honestly makes me question who she would surround herself with. Leadership includes delegation. Our best leaders has always been good at delegation and finding other leaders. This is also something that Trump has failed big in.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:01:22pm

This is what I’m talking about, Oprah’s speech was a cipher and so many people just heard what they wanted to hear in it. They’re so busy projecting their own desires on top that they can’t just let it be about what it was about. Matthews is so eager as an older white guy to piss on identity politics that he didn’t even notice Oprah talking about seeing Sidney Poitier be the first black man to win the CBD aware or her being the first black woman to win it. Chris completely missed the entire point about how important these milestones are, how the symbology has a real impact especially on shaping the perceptions of young viewers.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:03:34pm

re: #286 goddamnedfrank

This is what I’m talking about, Oprah’s speech was a cipher and so many people just heard what they wanted to hear in it. They’re so busy projecting their own desires on top that they can’t just letting it be about what it was about. Matthews is so eager as an older white guy to piss on identity politics that he didn’t even notice Oprah talking about Sidney Poitier or her being the first black woman to win the CBD award and how important these milestones are, how the symbology has a real impact especially on shaping the perceptions of young viewers.

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I wish he’d go back to his wet dreams about TIp and Gipp. So sick of the whining about “Ethnic games.” We’ve always had that number one and numbet two, we sure as hell are oging to play them while Trump tries to otherize Arab-American Muslims, Hispanics, and others.

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teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:05:05pm

This may result in downdings. Whatever.

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stpaulbear  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:06:28pm

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:06:49pm

Someone being the first PoC may not mean shit to you as a white person but it does often to PoC. And you know what, LBJ 50 years ago got that. He really saw Thurgood Marshall not as a great pick for SCOTUS but as someone that African-Americans could look up to. And that’s why it’s so shitty for me to hear politicians like Sanders or pundits like Tweety there shit on “ethnic politics.” When you’re of a race whose ancestors were brought to this country in forced chattel, when your relatives as recently as 50 years ago had to worry about saying sir to a white man lest they fear being lynched, etc, you’re going to be proud of your racial accomplishments. It’s not a double standard. It’s the result of treating PoC like others for years in what was just as much their country as it was yours.

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teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:06:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:07:21pm

re: #288 teleskiguy

This may result in downdings. Whatever.

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No. Quite the opposite. We saw what happened when we elected a political novice to the highest office.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:07:42pm

re: #291 teleskiguy

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EB gets it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:09:19pm

re: #292 HappyWarrior

No. Quite the opposite. We saw what happened when we elected a political novice to the highest office.

Right. And although I don’t doubt for a second Oprah would be significantly more competent than Trump she’s still no substitute for an experienced politician who knows how the game is played.

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teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:09:21pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:09:49pm

Ugh.

Trump getting a decent amount of cheers from GA crowd.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:10:19pm

re: #267 FormerDirtDart

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Glad to see the welfare for coal plan was rejected. If Republicans stick to their belief in free markets, dirty, expensive coal is doomed.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:10:52pm

re: #296 Eclectic Cyborg

Ugh.

Trump getting a decent amount of cheers from GA crowd.

Rich, white southerners, what do you expect?

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plansbandc  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:11:20pm

re: #296 Eclectic Cyborg

Not terribly surprising in the south. Plus a lot of good ole boys are the ones who can afford to go to the championship game.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:11:49pm

re: #298 Big Beautiful Door

re: #299 plansbandc

Touche.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:12:34pm

Honestly it’s amazing.

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teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:12:42pm

I got opinions.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:13:18pm

“David Bowie, The Last Five Years” looks to be a good documentary.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:14:24pm

GAH

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:14:44pm

re: #296 Eclectic Cyborg

Ugh.

Trump getting a decent amount of cheers from GA crowd.

Why are you surprised?

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unproven innocence  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:14:50pm

re: #268 Blind Frog Belly White

Turns out nobody wants new buggywhips.

I think there a lots of R’s that really would like moar buggywhips, but since there is an ongoing shortage of dead horses, they are looking hard for proxies.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:15:22pm

any cross examination of trump by mueller is is likely to devolve very quickly into trump getting red faced and yelling and stomping out in a huff before mueller is done

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:15:24pm

re: #304 The Vicious Babushka

GAH

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Remember when Obama got called narcissistic for saying I?

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plansbandc  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:15:27pm

I do want to watch this game, but the more camera time the orange bag gets, the more my enthusiasm wanes.

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teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:17:24pm

I wonder how thorough the search was on the way into the stadium. I’m betting pretty thorough.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:17:28pm

I’ll catch some flack for this but I’d support Bernie over Oprah at this point in time.

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The Major  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:17:33pm

re: #284 Skip Intro

I have two names that disqualify Oprah forever: Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil.

Ah-yup….

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:18:06pm

I’m sorry guys but I really think it’s a bad idea. I think we can do better than Oprah. She’s not the best woman we could nominate. Hell she’s not even the best Illinois woman we could nominate.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:18:48pm

I hope some of those players kneel during the anthem just to piss Trump off.

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Jack Burton  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:19:13pm

re: #284 Skip Intro

I have two names that disqualify Oprah forever: Dr. Oz and Dr. Phil.

I regret that I have only 1 upding to give this.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:19:18pm

re: #314 HappyWarrior

I hope some of those players kneel during the anthem just to piss Trump off.

They stayed in the locker room for the anthem per tradition.

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teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:20:50pm

“Oprah shouldn’t run for president, she should let someone more qualified to do it.”

It’s like screaming at a wall.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:20:50pm

re: #316 Eclectic Cyborg

They stayed in the locker room for the anthem per tradition.

Oh? I guess it’s just the NFL where they come out then. I’m a NFL fan not a CFB fan. CFB bores me for some reason even though it shouldn’t since every guy in the NFL is well a former CFBer. It helps that my and my mother’s alma mater don’t have a team though. I do have a soft spot for my Grandfather’s alma mater though, Pitt.

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Old Liberal  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:21:57pm

re: #312 The Major

Ah-yup….

Worse than Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz is Keith Ablow, Fox News shrink who denigrated President Obama.

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JordanRules  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:22:21pm

I want someone with governing experience for POTUS. I’d like Oprah to be a huge resource in various ways for that person and for the process more generally, from the outside. Kamala and Kristen are at the top of my list right now, but so much can change.
But I also think she is more than qualified to enter the primary if she wants. Carly and Meg and tons of other horrible candidates did.

I’m seeing a lot of downplaying her resume and legacy. She is far, far more than an entertainer and is not comparable to 45 or even The Rock (who appears functional).
I think many folks are just uneducated about a lot of what she’s done so they should stay open to learning more. Then of course there are those being shamefully resistant to seeing her whole legacy regardless of how much they learn. That’s to be expected from some.

I’ve had my issues with her and some of her associates over the years too.
When I was on the radio in the early 2000s I often criticized her for that The Secret/respectability bullshit. And no, the woo Dr’s are not worse than Nazis, sorry. I’ve had issues with Obama, Hillary etc for wack associates and positions too.

She is a self-made billionaire with successful publishing and broadcasting properties among other business ventures. She’s been a tireless education activist - built schools, scholarship funds etc. And there is so much more.

Just don’t erase her and her legacy as this debate continues.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:22:57pm

re: #317 teleskiguy

“Oprah shouldn’t run for president, she should let someone more qualified to do it.”

It’s like screaming at a wall.

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I’m disappointed. A lot of our criticism was that Trump wasn’t qualified. I know people are desperate and think we need to out Trump-Trump but are we not seeing the consequences of why we sadi Trump was unqualified. I’m sorry but this just bothers me. I don’t see Oprah having the know how to approach international crises. I did with HRC and Obama before her but I don’t with Oprah. Maybe you make Oprah in charge of something that attempts to bring people together but giving her keys to the car? Come on y’all.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:23:58pm

re: #321 HappyWarrior

Trump was unqualified AND an angry, racist, narcissistic asshole.

Oprah is just unqualified.

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teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:24:42pm

re: #320 JordanRules

She already has immense power and prestige as a private citizen. Leave the politics to the professionals.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:25:46pm

re: #322 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump was unqualified AND an angry, racist, narcissistic asshole.

Oprah is just unqualified.

Yep. That’s true. I’ll give Oprah credit. She IS A better business person than Trump is but she’s not qualified and oyu know what, that’s okay, few are.

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teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:26:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:26:39pm

re: #320 JordanRules

I want someone with governing experience for POTUS. I’d like Oprah to be a huge resource in various ways for that person and for the process more generally, from the outside. Kamala and Kristen are at the top of my list right now, but so much can change.
But I also think she is more than qualified to enter the primary if she wants. Carly and Meg and tons of other horrible candidates did.

I’m seeing a lot of downplaying her resume and legacy. She is far, far more than an entertainer and is not comparable to 45 or even The Rock (who appears functional).
I think many folks are just uneducated about a lot of what she’s done so they should stay open to learning more. Then of course there are those being shamefully resistant to seeing her whole legacy regardless of how much they learn. That’s to be expected from some.

I’ve had my issues with her and some of her associates over the years too.
When I was on the radio in the early 2000s I often criticized her for that The Secret/respectability bullshit. And no, the woo Dr’s are not worse than Nazis, sorry. I’ve had issues with Obama, Hillary etc for wack associates and positions too.

She is a self-made billionaire with successful publishing and broadcasting properties among other business ventures. She’s been a tireless education activist - built schools, scholarship funds etc. And there is so much more.

Just don’t erase her and her legacy as this debate continues.

That’s fair. She is more than an entertainer. I just don’t think she should become the frontrunner.

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JordanRules  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:27:24pm

re: #323 teleskiguy

She can run if she wants and we can support who we want. She probably wouldn’t be my first pick, but again, folks are really acting like she’s an actress with nutty friends. Thats bullshit.

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teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:29:25pm

Oh, she also ascribes to a whole lot of pseudo-scientific quackery.

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Interesting Times  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:29:52pm

Hey, where’s Renaissance_Man to tell us that Oprah is the only person who can beat trump because American voters are mindless dumbfucks who only do what the media says? :/

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JordanRules  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:29:57pm

re: #328 teleskiguy

That pic seems fair.

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teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:31:02pm

re: #327 JordanRules

She. Is. Unqualified.

Okay, I’ll stop. Probably burned enough bridges for one night.

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stpaulbear  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:31:23pm

re: #325 teleskiguy

Bully!!

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:32:21pm

re: #327 JordanRules

She can run if she wants and we can support who we want. She probably wouldn’t be my first pick, but again, folks are really acting like she’s an actress with nutty friends. Thats bullshit.

This is basically my response. I don’t really care if she runs or not but the viral response to a single, ostensibly non-political speech says a lot about our collective patho-sociological headspace. I’d also really like Democrats to focus on winning the midterms instead of getting distracted by potential 2020 candidates.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:32:48pm

re: #325 teleskiguy

I need some of what Pence is smoking because it must be some seriously good shit.

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The Major  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:32:50pm

re: #317 teleskiguy

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JordanRules  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:32:56pm

re: #331 teleskiguy

Why did you post that pic? To prove she’s unqualified?

Why can’t she make a primary run?

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JordanRules  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:33:44pm

re: #333 goddamnedfrank

Some people have been wanting her to run.

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Interesting Times  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:34:31pm

re: #333 goddamnedfrank

This is basically my response. I don’t really care if she runs or not but the viral response to a single, ostensibly non-political speech says a lot about our collective patho-sociological headspace. I’d also really like Democrats to focus on winning the midterms instead of getting distracted by potential 2020 candidates.

Indeed. As usual, Sarah nails it:

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:34:35pm

re: #331 teleskiguy

She. Is. Unqualified.

That ain’t stopping Bernie. She’s not my first pick but I’m still betting she has more realistic ideas about how to pay for shit than he does.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:34:58pm

I support Oprahs right to run.

I just don’t think she is the best choice.

341
retired cynic  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:35:08pm

A couple of other Oprah essays (and no, I did not listen to the speech and I would not want her to run, and she is not my choice, but she is a lot more than just an entertainer) to toss into the mix:

Nancy LeTourneau on Why OW Speech Mattered with an explanation on community organizing. I really liked this.

Then a second one on why the speech as about us, not OW, and quoting Dahlia Lithwick’s Oprah’s Real Message.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:35:36pm

I can’t figure out why everyone is getting all bent out of shape over a joke Seth made during his opening monologue last night.

Oprah is not running for President.

IT WAS A STUPID JOKE.

I guess this is another one of those “Alternative Facts” Kellyanne keeps talking about…

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JordanRules  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:36:40pm

re: #340 Eclectic Cyborg

I definitely get that. And that is what plays out in the primary process.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:37:02pm

re: #307 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

any cross examination of trump by mueller is is likely to devolve very quickly into trump getting red faced and yelling and stomping out in a huff before mueller is done

Trump will just lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and Mueller will be like OK if that’s how you want to play it.

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teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:38:42pm

re: #336 JordanRules

She can do whatever she wants, like most everybody is saying on this board. If she runs, I will do everything in my meager power to make sure she loses.

I posted the pic because although she is by all accounts decent and good-hearted, I think she has a lot to atone for. Did she know about Weinstein’s predilection for rape and still remain friends with him? I think that’s a fair question. After all, Oprah is more wealthy and powerful than Weinstein.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:38:58pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:40:45pm

I sure hope all the talk about Oprah doesn’t take away from the shock of Wolff’s book.

Political talk sure travels fast and we end up bouncing all over the place, often losing the focus on what is important to chase the next big thing.

We need to worry about 2018 House and Senate.

Maybe Oprah can talk about how important that is. Then she can get her feet wet with politics, prove some chops with the press and other pols, and help set her own stage. And do something that is politically good right now that Americans can wrap their heads around and understand.

But we can’t lose focus on 2018 with an outside candidate that’s a what-if at this time. If she wants in…start working for it.

This is why sometimes celebrity can be a huge distraction. Hopefully she does the right thing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:41:00pm

I’ll say this - Oprah is more qualified to be President than Trump. But that’s setting a REALLY FUCKING LOW BAR!!!

I heard someone today say that Trump’s election meant we were in a new era. If that’s so, then we need to radically change the authority and responsibility of the office, because as we’re discovering under Trump, electing somebody who only wants to be Head of State to the job of Head of Government is a goddam catastrophe.

Oprah may be smart, caring, well-read, able to speak on issues, etc., but she’s got zero experience in governing. This is not the place for on-the-job training, even with an apt pupil.

I understand how people might latch on to her speech and think it’s the greatest thing EVAR!!!! but really, we’re like people in the desert dying of thirst - we’d drink water out of the toilet and it would taste like nectar, but it’s still water out of the toilet.

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teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:41:40pm

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

I apologize. Oprah’s “political ambitions” have been shoved down my throat from all sides. Radio, TV, internet, it’s goddamned everywhere, and it annoys me to no end. I swear, I’ll stop. This is my last post about Oprah tonight.

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JordanRules  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:41:57pm

re: #345 teleskiguy

This feels really unfair and I’m going to leave it at that.

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plansbandc  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:43:15pm

re: #330 JordanRules

Yeah, the wingnuts have it plastered all over Facebook with a bunch of lies including how Oprah helped Weinstein rape a woman.

Kind of surprised to see it here.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:44:20pm

Didn’t we learn our lesson putting an inexperienced person into the highest office of the land? I’m sorry but I’m a big no on Oprah. We have plenty of WOMEN already serving in government who are far more qualified. If she wants to run for representative or even governor somewhere? Sure. Go for it. Gotta get your feet wet somehow. But President? No.

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teleskiguy  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:44:23pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:44:24pm
355
Skip Intro  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:44:39pm

re: #351 plansbandc

Yeah, the wingnuts have it plastered all over Facebook with a bunch of lies including how Oprah helped Weinstein rape a woman.

Kind of surprised to see it here.

Who posted that she helped Weinstein rape a woman here? Got a name?

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Bubblehead II  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:44:43pm

re: #288 teleskiguy

This may result in downdings. Whatever.

Nope. Want someone who has actual experience in Government, not some tyro who doesn’t have clue. She can run if she wants, but I will not vote for her based upon her current resume. IOW, let her get some House or Senate experience (like HRC did) and then make a run at it. Until then, nope.

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The Major  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:44:51pm

re: #351 plansbandc

Yeah, the wingnuts have it plastered all over Facebook with a bunch of lies including how Oprah helped Weinstein rape a woman.

Kind of surprised to see it here.

Not to mention that the fact that everybody’s is operating under the assumption that she would be running as a Democrat…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:45:08pm

re: #352 GlutenFreeJesus

Didn’t we learn our lesson putting an inexperienced person into the highest office of the land? I’m sorry but I’m a big no on Oprah. We have plenty of WOMEN already serving in government who are far more qualified. If she wants to run for representative or even governor somewhere? Sure. Go for it. Gotta get your feet wet somehow. But President? No.

That’s how I feel too. I feel she’s free to run if she wants to but I have many others much more ahead of her.

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JordanRules  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:45:49pm

re: #351 plansbandc

I still got fresh marks on my hand for trying to swat that kinda thing down regarding HRC.

Sigh.

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plansbandc  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:45:58pm

re: #355 Skip Intro

The picture, not the rape accusations.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:46:22pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:50:35pm

re: #361 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Come on Cuomo.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 8, 2018 • 5:52:37pm

re: #320 JordanRules

I want someone with governing experience for POTUS. I’d like Oprah to be a huge resource in various ways for that person and for the process more generally, from the outside. Kamala and Kristen are at the top of my list right now, but so much can change.
But I also think she is more than qualified to enter the primary if she wants. Carly and Meg and tons of other horrible candidates did.

I’m seeing a lot of downplaying her resume and legacy. She is far, far more than an entertainer and is not comparable to 45 or even The Rock (who appears functional).
I think many folks are just uneducated about a lot of what she’s done so they should stay open to learning more. Then of course there are those being shamefully resistant to seeing her whole legacy regardless of how much they learn. That’s to be expected from some.

I’ve had my issues with her and some of her associates over the years too.
When I was on the radio in the early 2000s I often criticized her for that The Secret/respectability bullshit. And no, the woo Dr’s are not worse than Nazis, sorry. I’ve had issues with Obama, Hillary etc for wack associates and positions too.

She is a self-made billionaire with successful publishing and broadcasting properties among other business ventures. She’s been a tireless education activist - built schools, scholarship funds etc. And there is so much more.

Just don’t erase her and her legacy as this debate continues.

Not a prob. Let her run for a Sen/House position first. POTUS isn’t a OJT position as we are seeing now. It takes experience to sit in that chair. Experience she doesn’t have.

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JordanRules  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:05:39pm

re: #363 Bubblehead II

Agree with that too. And yet if she doesn’t, like many before her, we can not support her in the primary.
Really just want some fair reflection on her whole life at this point, per my last sentence.

365
wheat-dogg  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:31:36pm

re: #124 GlutenFreeJesus

Trickle-up Economics!

Cisco, Pfizer, Coca-Cola plan to turn over gains from proposed tax cuts to shareholders

As a shareholder of Cisco and Coca-Cola, I can’t complain, but I’m not going to be able to buy much of anything with those dividends. I’m not a mega-bigly shareholder.

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Renaissance_Man  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:43:05pm

re: #329 Interesting Times

Hey, where’s Renaissance_Man to tell us that Oprah is the only person who can beat trump because American voters are mindless dumbfucks who only do what the media says? :/

Present.

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Interesting Times  Jan 8, 2018 • 6:47:26pm

re: #366 Renaissance_Man

As long as the Great American Idiocracy is afoot, my biggest fear is that you’re not wrong.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 8, 2018 • 8:43:35pm

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