The Bob Cesca Show: My Shoes Fell Off

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

My Shoes Fell Off: Not Safe For Work; Jody Hamilton from the Stephanie Miller Show is here; Chuck Grassley is Pete Puma; Trump plans to strengthen libel laws; Sol Rosenberg; Trump’s DACA repeal blocked by federal judge; The Stable Genius Act; Michael ‘Says Who’ Cohen is suing Buzzfeed; Mueller adds cyber crime expert to his team; US attorney nominee has ties to Deutsche Bank; and much more.

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:27:38pm
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austin_blue  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:30:05pm

Which reminds me:

The Front Fell Off

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:31:48pm
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Kragar  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:34:32pm
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Dave In Austin  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:35:10pm
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retired cynic  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:35:45pm

re: #3 JordanRules

Remove the POS that said it, and then we can talk.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:37:11pm

1000 points for Loco J. Racista

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:38:06pm

re: #3 JordanRules

It’s like the difference between using n***** and quoting someone saying it. I personally think you have to show it when quoting, because otherwise you’re lessening the impact.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:42:06pm

re: #7 Stanley Sea

1000 points for Loco J. Racista

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Racista’s banner, btw, is him at the football game where he botched the national anthem.

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:43:21pm
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Stanley Sea  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:43:30pm

re: #9 Belafon

Racista’s banner, btw, is him at the football game where he botched the national anthem.

Hi America! Welcome to the public melt down of your “potus”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:43:46pm
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Dave In Austin  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:44:28pm

And it keeps on coming. Trouble is following Rick around CNN like a bad penny

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BeachDem  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:46:55pm

re: #7 Stanley Sea

1000 points for Loco J. Racista

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Love it—still trying to decide if my band will be “Violent Rivers” or “Vicious Rivers.” Decisions, decisions…

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:48:49pm

re: #7 Stanley Sea

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:52:53pm

re: #9 Belafon

Racista’s banner, btw, is him at the football game where he botched the national anthem.

Maybe Trump should have sung something he DID know the words to!

Green Acres

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:53:45pm
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Stanley Sea  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:54:16pm

re: #14 BeachDem

Love it—still trying to decide if my band will be “Violent Rivers” or “Vicious Rivers.” Decisions, decisions…

Reminded me. I was driving & the local NPR station had a show with these guys (makeitstop, you up?)

Deer Tick. It was another song I heard, can’t find it yet. But sounds SO PETTY

Deer Tick - Jumpstarting

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:56:00pm

re: #7 Stanley Sea

HOW IS THAT A REASON TO CANCEL A TRIP

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BeachDem  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:57:35pm

re: #18 Stanley Sea

Reminded me. I was driving & the local NPR station had a show with these guys (makeitstop, you up?)

Deer Tick. It was another song I heard, can’t find it yet. But sounds SO PETTY

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Right now, the speakers on my desktop aren’t working—I probably kicked out a wire or something—need to crawl around and figure it out tomorrow (Yikes—it’s 12:54 am and I have an 8 am meeting—damn)

Meanwhile—Anderson Cooper throwing some sweet shade at “multi-Daddy, Jason Miller”:

“Africa.” Cooper said simply. “Have you been to Africa? I mean, do you know — does the president know how many countries? I know the president likes to make up countries not actually in Africa but there are actually an incredibly developed and well-off countries in Africa. In fact, when the president was speaking to African leaders he talked about his rich friends making money in Africa.”

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:58:46pm
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Stanley Sea  Jan 11, 2018 • 9:59:56pm

re: #20 BeachDem

Fuck. I always forget (because so assimilated) that I’m 1/2 African AND an anchor baby.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:00:29pm

Dinner is beef pelmeni in herb broth with chopped leaf celery and dabs of soy sauce and butter.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:00:46pm

re: #22 Stanley Sea

Fuck. I always forget (because so assimilated) that I’m 1/2 African AND an anchor baby.

But white. That’s made it moot. But I fit the description.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:01:57pm

re: #12 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Gosh, I wonder why the Post Gazette blocked me? Is it proof that Vonnegut was correct when he referred to delivering newspapers as “a royal screwing”?????

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Dave In Austin  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:04:36pm

re: #21 FormerDirtDart

That’s gonna leave a mark….. Now he’s gonna want to add another 1000 “Low yield” nukes to the arsenal.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:05:44pm

re: #25 Joe Bacon 🌹

Gosh, I wonder why the Post Gazette blocked me? Is it proof that Vonnegut was correct when he referred to delivering newspapers as “a royal screwing”?????

You’re ungrateful……..
//

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:06:43pm

re: #19 The Ghost of a Flea

HOW IS THAT A REASON TO CANCEL A TRIP

But seriously that is not a meaningful explanation for cancelling a diplomatic trip. As in, every single person involved in foreign relations and diplomacy worldwide is stunned at this attempt at a bad-faith, incredibly petty statement and—and this is the important part—wondering how their own interactions with the current administration are going to go if this is the level of discourse…or worse yet that he actually fucking means this, implying that random fucking personal whims can and will fuck up what should be Baby’s First Diplomatic Jaunt easy trips.

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:07:10pm

re: #23 The Ghost of a Flea

Had to look up pelmeni.
Saw a fried version…very intrigued!

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austin_blue  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:07:20pm

re: #19 The Ghost of a Flea

HOW IS THAT A REASON TO CANCEL A TRIP

It’s not. It’s just cowardice on the shitgibbon’s part.

Another “What The Fuck?” day in Drumpfworld comes to another “What The Fuck?” end.

It’s insane, but this is the new normal.

It’s midnight, and I’m off to bed. Our post-Hanukwanzmas party is tomorrow night, maybe 65 people. John Burnett will be here! Tons of gumbo, greens, and a port-finished mushroom and cream reduction over savory biscotti. Grandmother Kelly’s famous Irish chicken liver pate, and other delightful goodies will be on hand.

It’s South Austin.

Night all. Sweet dreams.

We need to get that insane ratfucker out of the WH.

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Kragar  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:07:55pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:10:38pm

re: #29 JordanRules

Mine are store-bought but pretty good. The real win is putting the bland-but-pleasant dumpling with the Asian celery, which has thin ribs that have a much stronger “celery” taste.

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teleskiguy  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:11:06pm

First powder day of the year today!

Oh right, it’s 11 January. I miss the days when I skied powder in November, and sometimes even in October.

Snow is still shallow. I hit a lot of rocks today. A lot of rocks. One rock made me faceplant. When you get off the summit chair they have a sign that simply reads “YOU WILL HIT ROCKS.” They weren’t kidding. And I hit a water bar on the easiest trail on the mountain… and faceplanted. All told I faceplanted three times. And I caught an edge trying to ski backwards which knocked off my hat and goggles. Other than that, it was the best day of the year on skis for me. The low angles slopes, if you could keep a good glide, yielded some sweet powder turns.

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fern01  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:12:00pm

re: #10 JordanRules

Running scared - making up stories.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:14:23pm

UH OH…

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:14:59pm

re: #28 The Ghost of a Flea

A notable feature of “how bad a fuckup” is that he doesn’t even make a statement facing towards the host nation.

Even if a polite private explanation of the cancellation was sent to the UK authorities, making a public statement that ignores the nation for the sake of a cheap shot at Obama is disastrous optics.

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:15:59pm
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majii  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:16:42pm

re: #19 The Ghost of a Flea
re: #7 Stanley Sea

“HOW IS THAT A REASON TO CANCEL A TRIP”

We already know he’ll never admit that he can’t deal with being met by thousands upon thousands of protesters in London, so he has to use BS to explain why he isn’t going, and he has to lay the blame at someone else’s feet. Yep, he’s a chicken-livered coward with a side serving of feathers.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:24:13pm
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Dave In Austin  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:29:51pm

Wingnuts need to be reminded that Dotard just solidified Chinese influence in Africa, Central, and S. America.

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teleskiguy  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:30:32pm

Sobering thread, of which I will share in full here.

It’s a realization that I will probably never be worthy of basic human dignity from many, not because of who I am or what I did, but because of how I look and where I’m from.

[…]

I’m saddened because everywhere I turn, I see the devastating effects of centuries of imperialism and colonialism. Even in America.

And yet many pretend as though it is just a bad chapter in human history that’s best left to museums.

[…]

America’s own early years after independence was tumultuous to say the least, ending in a civil war. And even 241 years later, she’s still clawing her way out of lingering horrors of slavery and colonization.

[…]

By comparison, much of the ‘developing world’ in Asia and Africa and Caribbean has experienced ‘freedom’ from colonial rule for barely 50 years. Are we surprised they’re still ‘developing’?

[…]

‘Developing nations’ is itself a euphemism we use to whitewash a history of brutal subjugation, colonization, and exploitation. A more apropos name? ‘Former colonies’.

[…]

Yes, no country is perfect. But even a casual observer of history will be able to draw a direct line from present-day conditions to a legacy of economic & political imperialism.

[…]

That people forget history of just a few decades past is incredibly disappointing in a world that can’t seem to stop talking about freedom, equality, and opportunity.

[…]

That people are still nostalgic about colonialism or the era of Jim Crow is living proof of an economic, political, and social system that has changed little.

[…]

Am I sad or angry that a President of the United States could espouse such views? Not really. I realize I am much better off than most. My education is a very effective shield.

[…]

What I feel most is a profound sense of disappointment. Disappointed that my idea of America is a lot benevolent than it really is. That’s what you read in textbooks. Perhaps, I was naive. Perhaps, I wanted to be.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:31:58pm

re: #31 Kragar

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:33:19pm

I needed the laughs in the comments.

Still LOL.

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sagehen  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:44:17pm

re: #38 majii

re: #7 Stanley Sea

“HOW IS THAT A REASON TO CANCEL A TRIP”

We already know he’ll never admit that he can’t deal with being met by thousands upon thousands of protesters in London, so he has to use BS to explain why he isn’t going, and he has to lay the blame at someone else’s feet. Yep, he’s a chicken-livered coward with a side serving of feathers.

It is (indirectly) about the Obamas. Because Barack and Michelle will be greeted like rock stars at Harry and Megan’s wedding.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:44:51pm

With apologies to Afroman

I was having a good day but then Trump lied
I was minding my own business but then Trump lied
Now skinheads are taunting me and I know why
Because Donald lied
Because Donald lied
Because Donald lied

I was top of my class but then Trump lied
He said people like me always cheated but then Trump lied
I’m a DACA kid getting deported and I know why
Because Donald lied
Because Donald lied
Because Donald lied

I thought I had a permanent job but Trump lied
He said he’s save my factory but Trump lied
Now I’m unemployed and I know why
Because Donald lied
Because Donald lied
Because Donald lied

The ICE dragged me to jail because Trump lied
I thought I could make bail but then Trump lied
And now I’m getting deported and I know why
Because Donald lied
Because Donald lied
Because Donald lied

I wasn’t gonna run from the cops but Trump lied
I was gonna pull right over and stop but Trump lied
The cops, they shot me dead and I know why,
Because Donald lied
Because Donald lied
Because Donald lied

I was gonna pay my Student Loan off but Trump lied
I was counting on that reduced interest but Trump lied
My student debt has doubled and I know why
Because Donald lied
Because Donald lied
Because Donald lied

I was gonna propose to you but then Trump lied
Milo said Trump was pro-gays but then Trump lied
Now Christians persecute me and I know why!
Because Donald lied
Because Donald lied
Because Donald lied

I messed up my entire life because Trump lied
I blamed everything on Hillary and Trump lied
Now I’m regretting my vote for Jill Stein
Because Donald lied
Because Donald lied
Because Donald lied

I’m gonna stop singing this song because Trump lied
I voted this whole thing wrong because Trump lied
And now I’ll vote Democrat and I know why!
Because Donald lied
Because Donald lied
Because Donald lied

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 10:50:43pm

re: #44 sagehen

And it’s going to be ALL over the tele!

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Stanley Sea  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:09:35pm

No comments for a while, so I’ll post more Tom.

Note, this is the real deal. Midnight Special.

Midnight Special-Tom Petty “American Girl/Listen To Her Heart” 1978

Watch through - Listen to her heart is next & is it.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:17:59pm
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Stanley Sea  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:22:07pm

Oh dog, Tom was fucked up. The lost days.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:23:42pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:29:21pm

The last time I saw Tom Petty (that I remember) was a New Years Eve concert in 1979 with Chuck Berry. It was at the Oakland Coliseum Arena. At Midnight Tom rode a giant arrow shaped guitar on an aerial cable from the back of the arena to the stage where it pierced a giant heart to start the new year and his act. I’m pretty sure that’s what I saw. mostly, anyway.

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ckkatz  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:29:52pm

Just catching up on older threads now.

From below… JordanRules - Thanks for the recipe for Peruvian Green Sauce!

I have seen the yellow sauce (Aji Amarillo) sold commercially by Goya and Costa Peruana. But I have not the green sauce (Aji Verde) commercially produced.

Now I’m hungry.

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:34:53pm

re: #52 ckkatz

My pleasure!

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:43:57pm

I wonder if Dotard had to do any prep tonight for his physical tomorrow?

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:46:24pm

re: #54 JordanRules

No, I don’t think we’ll ever get a true report, if any.
Yes, I think there is a good chance he won’t actually do the full thing or at all.
Yes, if there was prep, like fasting, I think there was a good chance he was eating a midnight cheeseburger while tweeting about London.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:51:32pm

re: #21 FormerDirtDart

Annual performance review time can be a bitch.

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JordanRules  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:51:57pm
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ckkatz  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:53:56pm

re: #56 JordanRules

No, I don’t think we’ll ever get a true report, if any.
Yes, I think there is a good chance he won’t actually do the full thing or at all.
Yes, if there was prep, like fasting, I think there was a good chance he was eating a midnight cheeseburger while tweeting about London.

Yup, I am not convinced that we will see an honest report released by the White House. Even assuming that the checkup isn’t another thing corrupted by Trump.

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ckkatz  Jan 11, 2018 • 11:57:43pm

re: #58 JordanRules

Nice “White Hat trolling”. I like!

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Stanley Sea  Jan 12, 2018 • 12:15:11am

I’m having a time. Please join.

Stevie is in the background.

Gainesville 2006.

Listen to Tom’s voice. It is perfect here.

Learning to Fly - Tom Petty w/ Stevie Nicks

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JordanRules  Jan 12, 2018 • 12:26:31am

re: #62 Stanley Sea

Love!!!

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Stanley Sea  Jan 12, 2018 • 12:30:45am

I don’t think many people have seen this.

From the same concert.

It is IT

Stevie Nicks and Tom Petty Insider

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 12, 2018 • 12:50:06am

I’d like to dedicate this song to two assholes. The first asshole is the engineer who thought the flimsy SATA connector on the back of drives was adequate. The second is that cocksucker at Firefox who thought the option of opening search results in a new tab wasn’t important. I have lost countless posts here as a result of that, hence my rant….

Bruce Cockburn - If I Had A Rocket Launcher

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majii  Jan 12, 2018 • 12:52:46am

re: #58 JordanRules

“Chuck Lorre took a dig at Stephen Miller on his vanity card tonight.”

This is why I monitored my daughter’s TV watching closely. She grew up in the 1980s. I made sure she knew the difference between what was real and what was fantasy by watching many kids’ programs with her. I also made sure she knew that much of the information in the toy commercials about how the toys would perform was not true. I remember getting her a Rainbow Bright for Christmas one year. That doll’s hair was supposed to change colors when it was combed, but the hair never changed. I also remember buying her what was supposed to be an “easy ice cream maker” one year. It didn’t work as advertised either. Don’t let me start talking about the “Barbie Dream House.” Her dad and I stayed up all night putting that thing together. If we’d known how long it would take us to put together, we would have paid Toys R Us the assembly fee to do it.

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JordanRules  Jan 12, 2018 • 12:58:17am

I saw another lawyer mention this conflict earlier and she was puzzled. She didn’t even know about McGahn. She was wondering about the conflict with repping Bannon and Preibus.
I’m too cynical to get tingley about this, but it damn sure is compelling.

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2018 • 1:05:23am

re: #65 Single-handed sailor

I’d like to dedicate this song to two assholes. The first asshole is the engineer who thought the flimsy SATA connector on the back of drives was adequate.

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Yup, I’m sitting here looking at a hard drive with a sata connector taped to it’s back. So far, I have been lucky. (And, fortunately, I have already copied the data to another drive.) But still, what a waste of a 4tb drive, to have a cheap piece of plastic crack off.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 12, 2018 • 1:07:01am

Have you ever not told others about something going good for fear of jinxing it, then it was so good that you told others and you jinxed it? It’s hard not to be superstitious with regards to investing, gambling, health, love, and sailing.

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Teukka  Jan 12, 2018 • 1:17:11am

re: #65 Single-handed sailor

I’d like to dedicate this song to two assholes. The first asshole is the engineer who thought the flimsy SATA connector on the back of drives was adequate. The second is that cocksucker at Firefox who thought the option of opening search results in a new tab wasn’t important. I have lost countless posts here as a result of that, hence my rant….

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re: #68 ckkatz

Yup, I’m sitting here looking at a hard drive with a sata connector taped to it’s back. So far, I have been lucky. (And, fortunately, I have already copied the data to another drive.) But still, what a waste of a 4tb drive, to have a cheap piece of plastic crack off.

I’ve had more luck with choosing the connectors which have both the power and signal connectors together, the first SATA drive I had I managed to brick because the connector on the drive broke. Should sit a bit more firmly. Another idea would be velcro cable ties to appropriate structural component of PC enclosure.

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2018 • 1:18:01am

re: #69 Single-handed sailor

Well, yup, there is always that possibility. And yes, the disk could expire unexpectedly now.

It seems to me that the human condition is that but for the grace of something, I would have been done in long ago! And most probably by something dumb that I did to myself. (Hold my beer and watch this.)

But just now, there have been two short power losses/blackouts. So I am currently busy trying to save my work.

And currently listening to the rocket launcher song. Interesting! I had not heard that before. So thanks for posting it!

And, yes, I am also irritated with some of the Firefox changes. It seems to have become more and more bloatware. And with some _really_ strange design decisions. However, I seem to have been toughened up by all the wierd and stupid Microsoft Windows changes over the years, so I find that I don’t notice the wierd and stupid Firefox ones as much.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 12, 2018 • 1:22:09am

re: #71 ckkatz

Heh, now I’m paranoid. Since my rant, Firefox locked up on me and I couldn’t up-ding, enter a comment or click new comments. I had to restart Firefox. They’re watching!!

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JordanRules  Jan 12, 2018 • 1:24:34am

re: #67 JordanRules

This person appears to be in the Mensch gang. Blech!
Would love some input from legal lizards about this *if* they are indeed all repped by the same lawyer.

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2018 • 1:32:32am

re: #72 Single-handed sailor

Heh, now I’m paranoid. Since my rant, Firefox locked up on me and I couldn’t up-ding, enter a comment or click new comments. I had to restart Firefox. They’re watching!!

Oops! Hope it reloads okay.

Some of the changes over the past year or so have required a lot more reloads of Firefox. Not sure of the design decisions that went into that. Because of all the reloads, I made restoring all the old tabs, the default reload activity.

I also had some strange stuff happening with Firefox Thursday. Ghostery was complaining about Google Publisher Tags (gpt.js) on LGF. But there have been some other issues as well. I have not yet had time trace it enough to pester our host. And I am not yet fully eliminated the possibility of PEBKAC (Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair).

I also paused long enough to look up the “Bruce Cockburn - If I Had A Rocket Launcher”. Apparently it is about the 1980’s military dictatorship under General Efrain Rios Montt in Guatemala that caused 1/8th of the population to flee. And killed tens of thousands of peasants.

Again, thanks for posting this!

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2018 • 1:37:11am

re: #70 Teukka

I usually build my own computers.

These days building them it costs about the same as a store bought one. And takes days longer. But I want to understand how the ‘suckers’ work. I had a boot drive sector fail in December and so basically killed a weekend trying to diagnose and fix it.

Your connector idea sounds like a good one as there is more to hold the connector to the drive. I will need to look into that.

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JordanRules  Jan 12, 2018 • 1:48:13am

Cool!

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2018 • 1:52:30am

re: #73 JordanRules

This person appears to be in the Mensch gang. Blech!
Would love some input from legal lizards about this *if* they are indeed all repped by the same lawyer.

I usually check out Renato Mariotti’s twitter feed for legal thoughts.

iirc, he had an interesting thread on Sept 10 that talked about McGahn and Priebus hiring the same attorney.

His conclusions were:

- “having one attorney for multiple individuals is often in the interest of those individuals in a criminal investigation.”
- As long as there wasn’t a conflict of interest.
- “What this tells me is that McGahn and Priebus do not intend to be at odds with each other or a witness against the other.”
- “It also suggests that their lawyer thinks both men will be witnesses, not defendants.”

As IANAL, I certainly do not know. And Mensch folks seem to thrive on all sorts of conspiracy theories and rumors.

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JordanRules  Jan 12, 2018 • 2:02:21am
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JordanRules  Jan 12, 2018 • 2:08:06am

re: #77 ckkatz

Thanks for pulling that out of the memory bank. September feels like a year ago! Renato is a wonderful resource.

Adding a 3rd client to all those considerations you listed is pretty compelling. Adding Bannon specifically has me super intrigued!

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2018 • 2:11:18am

re: #79 JordanRules

Thanks for pulling that out of the memory bank. September feels like a year ago! Renato is a wonderful resource.

Adding a 3rd client to all those considerations you listed is pretty compelling. Adding Bannon specifically has me super intrigued!

I agree with you! But smarter people than I are going to have to decipher what it means.

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2018 • 2:17:42am

re: #78 JordanRules

Very saddening that so many are so ruthlessly amoral, so willing to lie, deceive, and betray anything they can, including the US itself, in order to keep their tribe, and themselves, in power.

There is an ethics debate going on right now in this country. It has been fascinating to watch it unfold.

But even if we win and save the Constitution, I suspect that the malefactors will mostly do quite fine. While people like Heather Heyer will have paid a heavy price.

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JordanRules  Jan 12, 2018 • 2:29:17am

re: #81 ckkatz

Yeah. In those detached moments I just want to run into the future and read the books because it is horribly fascinating.
So much packed into each day that deals with this overall ethics debate you highlight.

It’s a lot.

I absolutely do not expect to feel comforted by the eventual justice meted out, but I will celebrate. I just don’t think we’ve pushed the moral arc of the universe far enough yet for the massive perp walk that should happen. I will continue to hope and fight for it though cause that’s how we get there.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 12, 2018 • 2:35:14am

OK, when I click the upding button and I hit the quote button instead, I know it.s time to go to bed. I can;t find the apostrophy, fuck it.

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Jay C  Jan 12, 2018 • 2:47:34am

re: #40 Dave In Austin

Wingnuts need to be reminded that Dotard just solidified Chinese influence in Africa, Central, and S. America.

You think the real wingnuts (IOW, the “Trump base”) either know or care about the ramifications of US foreign-policy? Outside of simple-minded jingoism, and gloating about Their Hero sticking it to the dirty furriners and their effete libtard apologists?

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ckkatz  Jan 12, 2018 • 2:48:37am

re: #83 JordanRules

Yup, its certainly interesting times.

One consolation, for me anyway, is that my parent’s generation lived through the Great Depression and World War 2. My father was wounded while landing on the beaches at Normandy, and again in hand-to-hand fighting during the battle for Germany. So far, at least, they seem to have had it a lot worse.

And on that thought, I have procrastinated enough. Time to go to bed.

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Teukka  Jan 12, 2018 • 2:53:44am

re: #75 ckkatz

I usually build my own computers.

These days building them it costs about the same as a store bought one. And takes days longer. But I want to understand how the ‘suckers’ work. I had a boot drive sector fail in December and so basically killed a weekend trying to diagnose and fix it.

Your connector idea sounds like a good one as there is more to hold the connector to the drive. I will need to look into that.

Looks sumthin’ like so:

Combined SATA+Power Cable
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 12, 2018 • 2:55:48am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2018 • 3:05:57am

re: #85 Jay C

You think the real wingnuts (IOW, the “Trump base”) either know or care about the ramifications of US foreign-policy? Outside of simple-minded jingoism, and gloating about Their Hero sticking it to the dirty furriners and their effete libtard apologists?

They find it refreshing that somebody uses “straight talk” to confirm their opinion on what the rest of the world looks like…

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boredtechindenver  Jan 12, 2018 • 3:19:05am

So Donny Deutsch just called Cheetolini “Evil” on “Morning Joe”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2018 • 3:20:43am

Again, all this outrage over DT’s latest attack of logorrhea is just distracting us from the damage that his people is doing to the US government and its economy.

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JordanRules  Jan 12, 2018 • 3:27:39am

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It’s not damaging to the troops in Africa?
The immigrant kids at school here?
The China dynamics you just commented on?
The brain drain that could result from less immigration?

I thought immigration was one of the major issues?
This is the Government and the economy.

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JordanRules  Jan 12, 2018 • 3:34:23am

re: #92 JordanRules

A white supremacist administration laying bare their evil intentions is not a distraction.

Hate crimes are literally increasing. But yeah, just a distraction from the real issues.
This is so damn offensive no matter how much it’s repeated.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2018 • 3:56:13am

re: #92 JordanRules

He just expressed in clear and undeniable words the message that has been at the core of his policies on immigration and international relations. And his supporters are just doubling down and praising him for his directness.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2018 • 3:57:10am

re: #93 JordanRules

A white supremacist administration laying bare their evil intentions is not a distraction.

Their intentions have been clear to anyone who pays attention, now they are becoming clear even to those who have chosen to ignore them

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JordanRules  Jan 12, 2018 • 4:06:37am

re: #94 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So why wouldn’t you expect their policies to be discussed after new events? Just because they’ve been consistent?
Why is this policy issue deemed a distraction and another policy issue not?

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

New people being informed doesn’t seem like a distraction when we’re relying on the electorate to empower a possible remedy in about 10 months.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 12, 2018 • 4:15:59am

Oh, please, make this happen!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2018 • 4:17:49am

I am talking about a conscious strategy on the part of the White House: get people going on about his outrageous, fallacious or baseless statements while his appointees are busy dismantling government, gutting education, taking away health care for poor working people, destroying progress in civil rights and personal freedoms, and selling our infrastructure natural resources off to the highest bidders.

Those are the things we need to concentrate on, not the well known fact that he thinks that countries with populations of non-Europeans are all shitholes and that only blonde, blue-eyed Europeans are desirable.

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JordanRules  Jan 12, 2018 • 4:18:11am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2018 • 4:22:16am

re: #97 wheat-dogg

Oh, please, make this happen!

Swiss group starts petition to oppose Pres. Trump’s visit to the annual gathering of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, later this month.

I think they could make a good case that he has nothing constructive to contribute and will only distract from the procedings

and then he can whine about intolerant Eurotrash elitists

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 12, 2018 • 4:29:14am
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JordanRules  Jan 12, 2018 • 4:31:15am

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He said what he meant. There was no strategy behind it and yet it informs a government policy that is related to every other policy example you gave.

What you see:
outrageous, fallacious or baseless
What I see:
dangerous, empowering oppression, hate

Again (to borrow your oft-used intro), we can and have been focusing on more than one thing at a time. Who in the 21st century doesn’t? I’m happy to provide evidence of such if you’d like. I can show you the groups on the ground working on everything you listed AND show you the ones working on immigration and race issues too. I can let you know which committees and associated lawmakers are working on them as well.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2018 • 4:31:59am
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 12, 2018 • 4:34:54am

re: #103 Dr. Matt

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There’s a reason they are forgotten.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2018 • 4:42:26am

re: #103 Dr. Matt

Fox News host defends Trump’s “shithole” remark: This is how ‘the forgotten men and women’ tal

perhaps that is one reason that they have been forgotten

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weave  Jan 12, 2018 • 4:43:46am

At times like this I remember when certain people would go nuts screaming about how President Obama was unpresidential and disgracing the office when he put his foot on the Resolute desk or wore the wrong color suit, so I like to see what they say about Trump. Not disappointed….

Sometimes “acting presidential” means saying things that others are afraid to say. If Obama had the courage to ask the question Trump did, we wouldn’t be in the mess we are today.

Source: From the comments on this story, “Gee Willikers! Our Moral Fabric Torn Rips As President Trump Says A Swear” itself just nothing but an excuse for his remarks….

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wheat-dogg  Jan 12, 2018 • 4:46:12am

re: #106 weave

The comment raises the question of what mess he’s talking about. The USA was in pretty good shape at the end of Obama’s tenure.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 12, 2018 • 4:47:09am

re: #107 wheat-dogg

The comment raises the question of what mess he’s talking about. The USA was in pretty good shape at the end of Obama’s tenure.

The mess of allowing a Kenyan into the country to become President? ///

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Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2018 • 4:47:34am

re: #106 weave

There is no low the right won’t defend.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2018 • 4:56:24am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2018 • 4:58:05am

re: #110 Dr. Matt

To think that there was a time when there were still Republican that I even voted for or at least considered seriously. That has not been the case since 2000.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 4:59:28am

re: #110 Dr. Matt

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She was right. No two ways about it.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:00:01am

This popped up in my YT feed. Electronic harp whatsit.

Bohemian Rhapsody (Queen) on Harpejji G16 by Mathieu Terrade.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:00:25am

re: #111 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The 2000 John McCain was the last time I thought a republican made sense. I might have voted for him.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:01:01am

re: #106 weave

At times like this I remember when certain people would go nuts screaming about how President Obama was unpresidential and disgracing the office when he put his foot on the Resolute desk or wore the wrong color suit, so I like to see what they say about Trump. Not disappointed….

Source: From the comments on this story, “Gee Willikers! Our Moral Fabric Torn Rips As President Trump Says A Swear” itself just nothing but an excuse for his remarks….

The swear I could care fucking less. He complained about the people from those countries too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:04:11am

re: #103 Dr. Matt

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What does a FNC host know about “forgotten people?” FNC loves to disguise their bigotry and enabling there of as what the common people want. But even if it is? Who gives a fuck.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:09:03am

The Trumpers are hopeless unfortunately. They really believe that the country was hell under Obama and now under Trump it’s a new age. Trump has little to nothing to do with the economy. Meanwhile the actual measured economic gains in the Obama years mean nothing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:10:48am

re: #114 Dr. Matt

The 2000 John McCain was the last time I thought a republican made sense. I might have voted for him.

I voted for him in the primaries. (was still registered GOP)

I could have imagined voting for mitt Romney for Governor of Massachusetts had I lived there, and there was even a time when I admired Chris Christie for his work with Obama on Sandy relief and the way he stood up to critics of his choice for a Muslim judge. But that admiration soon faded.

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weave  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:15:34am

…. and now Trump is denying he ever said “shithole” despite not a single Republican in the room disputing it before now, so of course all his supporters will believe him and his poll numbers are going to go up because of all the “fake news” attacks against him again.

Unbelievable…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:17:44am

LOL now he’s denying it. Face it Trumpers your guy “who straight shoots” is a coward. He can’t own anything because he’s a wimp.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:18:37am

re: #119 weave

…. and now Trump is denying he ever said “shithole” despite not a single Republican in the room disputing it before now, so of course all his supporters will believe him and his poll numbers are going to go up because of all the “fake news” attacks against him again.

Unbelievable…

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Yep that’s gonna be the new narrative that “he never said it!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:26:31am

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Yep that’s gonna be the new narrative that “he never said it!”

he was just talking about Amsterdam airport

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:35:23am

yeah, he’s mad…

and there is nothing he won’t lie about:

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weave  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:35:52am

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Yep that’s gonna be the new narrative that “he never said it!”

Video emerges of Trump shooting a person on Fifth Avenue.

“Fake. Obviously that video was created by the deep state trying to bring him down.”

But there are eye witnesses that he shot him and there’s a body.

“Do you know how many people get shot on Fifth Avenue every day? And you’re just so desperate in your Trump Derangement Syndrome that it just has to be Trump, right? Those eye witnesses are obviously paid by Soros. Wake up.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:36:04am
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weave  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:38:53am

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

yeah, he’s mad…

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An hour spent on his phone writing tweets.

Just think about that for a moment. The most powerful man in the world wakes up and spends an hour first thing in the morning writing tweets — slowly.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:44:41am

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

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When you’ve lost a toady like Kilmeade.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:45:32am

re: #124 weave

Video emerges of Trump shooting a person on Fifth Avenue.

“Fake. Obviously that video was created by the deep state trying to bring him down.”

But there are eye witnesses that he shot him and there’s a body.

“Do you know how many people get shot on Fifth Avenue every day? And you’re just so desperate in your Trump Derangement Syndrome that it just has to be Trump, right? Those eye witnesses are obviously paid by Soros. Wake up.”

I’m convinced there’s nothing he can’t do in their eyes. They’re a cult.

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jeffreyw  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:47:43am

Imgur

Good morning!

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Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:48:01am
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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:48:11am

re: #119 weave

…. and now Trump is denying he ever said “shithole” despite not a single Republican in the room disputing it before now, so of course all his supporters will believe him and his poll numbers are going to go up because of all the “fake news” attacks against him again.

Unbelievable…

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What happens to that if you remove Rasmussen?

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:55:10am

re: #82 Single-handed sailor

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:55:44am

re: #114 Dr. Matt

The 2000 John McCain was the last time I thought a republican made sense. I might have voted for him.

Morning!

The conservative reaction to 1992 Bill Clinton put paid to the last time I even considered a Republican.

And they have sailed off to the far right leaving this one time centerists solidly on the left.

And then along came Fox News.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:56:51am

In about seventy years we’ve gone from the greatest generation to the worst generation

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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 12, 2018 • 5:57:09am

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:00:29am

re: #133 ObserverArt

Morning!

The conservative reaction to 1992 Bill Clinton put paid to the last time I even considered a Republican.

And they have sailed off to the far right leaving this one time centerists solidly on the left.

And then along came Fox News.

Agh the Buchanan speech.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:01:16am

re: #124 weave

Video emerges of Trump shooting a person on Fifth Avenue.

“Fake. Obviously that video was created by the deep state trying to bring him down.”

But there are eye witnesses that he shot him and there’s a body.

“Do you know how many people get shot on Fifth Avenue every day? And you’re just so desperate in your Trump Derangement Syndrome that it just has to be Trump, right? Those eye witnesses are obviously paid by Soros. Wake up.”

and that person was probably a terrorist or MS 13 member anyways

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:01:29am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:04:08am

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ana please leave the GOP, you’re far too decent and thoughtful person for that shit show.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:04:57am

re: #111 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I’m still registered R in case there is someone worth voting for in a primary. Hasn’t happened but someday…
The last R presidential candidate I voted for was H in 1992 and the last R anything I voted for was Arlen Spector in about 2004.

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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:05:25am

Trump is a pustule on the nation white supremacist backside that needs to be excised because it is cancerous.

The GOP wont do anything because the bigot brigade and deplorables are the GOP base. They wont act against their base. They wont act against Trump.

That shows that they’re craven cowards who are immoral and debased because the only thing they care about is power. They don’t care how many people they hurt, how much the economy suffers, or how many people lose insurance (or their jobs).

The GOP touts Walmart getting around to matching wage hikes by Target - by lying that this is the result of the tax scam.

The GOP remains silent when Walmart shutters dozens of Sam’s Club stores without WARN notifications. 11,000 people lose jobs with no notice? How is that even allowed? The GOP didn’t care - and the administration isn’t going to hold Walmart accountable for this either.

Meanwhile, we continue to watch Trump founder and flail like an angry toddler who reacts to everything around him with ignorance. Feinstein says something and he agrees, only to have GOPers correct him and then he agrees with the GOPers.

That’s not a master negotiator. That’s not even a con artist.

That’s someone who has absolutely no grasp of any issues he’s dealing with - and every issue that comes to the Office of the President - is an issue that no one else in the nation has the authority to speak on. Trump is clueless about everything.

His advisers are just as clueless and incompetent, because they’re enabling a guy who doesn’t know or care.

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MsJ  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:07:03am

re: #140 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I’m still registered R in case there is someone worth voting for in a primary. Hasn’t happened but someday…
The last R presidential candidate I voted for was H in 1992 and the last R anything I voted for was Arlen Spector in about 2004.

That comment depresses me beyond words.

After all that’s happened you still want to be a Republican. SMDH.

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:07:57am

re: #127 HappyWarrior

When you’ve lost a toady like Kilmeade.

I propose we here at Little Green Footballs drop using the word “lost” when it comes to conservative supporters criticizing Donald J. Lump.

The reason for this proposal is they are never actually lost. What in fact they are doing is covering for him for the time needed that America forgets about the outrage they criticized.

Once enough time is passed, they are back on the support wagon like nothing ever happened.

I think a famous religious spiritual line puts it best for the True Believer Trumper…

“I once was lost but now am found, Was blind, but now I see.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:08:29am

His supporters are worse. They’d rather “piss off the libs.” It’s not about governance, it’s about pissing people off that they don’t like or want to understand since they’ve been brainwashed about liberals and liberalism from their right wing safe spaces.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:08:54am

re: #143 ObserverArt

I propose we here at Little Green Footballs drop using the word “lost” when it comes to conservative supporters criticizing Donald J. Lump.

The reason for this proposal is they are never actually lost. What in fact they are doing is covering for him for the time needed that America forgets about the outrage they criticized.

Once enough time is passed, they are back on the support wagon like nothing ever happened.

I think a famous religious spiritual line puts it best for the True Believer Trumper…

“I once was lost but now am found, Was blind, but now I see.”

True fair enough.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:09:35am

re: #106 weave

At times like this I remember when certain people would go nuts screaming about how President Obama was unpresidential and disgracing the office when he put his foot on the Resolute desk or wore the wrong color suit, so I like to see what they say about Trump. Not disappointed….

Source: From the comments on this story, “Gee Willikers! Our Moral Fabric Torn Rips As President Trump Says A Swear” itself just nothing but an excuse for his remarks….

Remember, a couple of months a go, when lots of these people got the vapors when Gillibrand sweared? The difference is she wasn’t talking about a group of people.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:10:03am

re: #140 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I’m still registered R in case there is someone worth voting for in a primary. Hasn’t happened but someday…
The last R presidential candidate I voted for was H in 1992 and the last R anything I voted for was Arlen Spector in about 2004.

Why? It’s been 14 years since you voted R. The party is hopeless dude. They’re at the point of no return.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:10:53am

re: #146 Belafon

Remember, a couple of months a go, when lots of these people got the vapors when Gillibrand sweared? The difference is she wasn’t talking about a group of people.

They’re hypocrites. No one gives a fuck about the swear. It’s about what he said about people as you say.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:12:29am
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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:12:32am

re: #142 MsJ

Clearly my stated voting pattern contrasts with your assertion that I want to be a Republican. As long as the Republican leave the party to the wingnuts all you’re gonna get are wingnuts. It isn’t going to fix itself. I’ve argued in the past that everybody should register R and vote out the worst of the entrenched wingnuts in the primaries.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:12:40am

re: #134 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

In about seventy years we’ve gone from the greatest generation to the worst generation

Some of those greatest generation voted for these people. Quite a few of them, actually. The greatest generation denied just about everything they could to blacks, including GI Bill benefits to black soldiers returning from WW2.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:13:48am

re: #147 HappyWarrior

PA is a closed primary. The only way to vote for a Pat Toomey GOP challenger is to be registered R

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:13:53am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:14:06am

re: #139 HappyWarrior

Ana please leave the GOP, you’re far too decent and thoughtful person for that shit show.

If Ana leaves the Republican party, she will no longer have a job, and there will be no reason for anyone else to hire her.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:14:33am
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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:15:12am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
Never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a very poor and troubled country. Never said “take them out.” Made up by Dems. I have a wonderful relationship with Haitians. Probably should record future meetings - unfortunately, no trust!

8:48 AM - Jan 12, 2018
11,432 11,432 Replies 5,672 5,672 Retweets 19,303 19,303 likes

Bold Face Liar!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:15:18am

re: #152 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

PA is a closed primary. The only way to vote for a Pat Toomey GOP challenger is to be registered R

Fair enough but why stay registered R? Make the Democratic Party Better rather than helping those assholes. The Republican Party deserves to die at this point.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:15:33am

re: #154 Belafon

If Ana leaves the Republican party, she will no longer have a job, and there will be no reason for anyone else to hire her.

True.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:16:02am

re: #151 Belafon

Some of those greatest generation voted for these people. Quite a few of them, actually. The greatest generation denied just about everything they could to blacks, including GI Bill benefits to black soldiers returning from WW2.

They had their flaws too for sure.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:16:15am

re: #151 Belafon

It’s more of an oratorical thing. There was really no greatest generation.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:16:57am

re: #150 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I agree. The party can only be “fixed” from the grassroots. In Philly Democrats outnumber Republicans 5 to 1. In my neighborhood it is closer to 6 to 1. I work with my neighbors to try to make Philly a better place for all. I have done this since 1992.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:17:04am

re: #158 HappyWarrior

True.

And my cynicism in that statement is this: We need her yelling at other Republicans, and the only way she’ll be able to do that is to stay one.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:17:35am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Lordy, let there be tapes!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:17:36am

re: #160 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

It’s more of an oratorical thing. There was really no greatest generation.

There have always been great people but yeah never great generations. My grandfather was the same age as Nixon. One was a bigoted crook, one a man who was very ahead of his time on race.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:18:04am

re: #162 Belafon

And my cynicism in that statement is this: We need her yelling at other Republicans, and the only way she’ll be able to do that is to stay one.

I’m afraid you’re right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:20:07am
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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:20:07am

re: #157 HappyWarrior

The Dems are ok without my primary participation. It’s the shitty Democratic voter turnout that burns me up but that isn’t up for grabs here. Whether we like it or not we have a two party system so we need a functioning Republican Party. (Or some other rival/adversary to the Democrats).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:21:00am

re: #140 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I’m still registered R in case there is someone worth voting for in a primary. Hasn’t happened but someday…
The last R presidential candidate I voted for was H in 1992 and the last R anything I voted for was Arlen Spector in about 2004.

I registered R to vote in a Republican primary for the candidate I thought was least likely to get a majority.

But then the Democratic ticket was split and one of them ran as an independent, and the GOP candidate, Evan Mecham, won with a plurality…and went on to be one of the biggest embarrassments the state of Arizona has ever known.

That’s what I get for trying to be all Machiavellian…

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:22:59am

re: #168 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think that’s how Maine got their current governor (whose name escapes me)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:23:11am

re: #167 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

The Dems are ok without my primary participation. It’s the shitty Democratic voter turnout that burns me up but that isn’t up for grabs here. Whether we like it or not we have a two party system so we need a functioning Republican Party. (Or some other rival/adversary to the Democrats).

Okay, fair enough, you do your thing, I’ll do mine. I’d rather let the Republicans die out due to their own bigotry and let a sane center-right party emerge without my help. IT’s not my job as an American liberal to help American conservatives fix their own mess.

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John Carter  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:23:47am
Some of those greatest generation voted for these people. Quite a few of them, actually. The greatest generation denied just about everything they could to blacks, including GI Bill benefits to black soldiers returning from WW2.

While true, the worst of the lot is the Boomers. They grew up with everything handed to them in the wake of WW2 and turned around and ruined it for everyone else.

Trump is their tantrum that the Millennials are coming into their own and they are no longer culturally significant.

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:24:23am

re: #150 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Clearly my stated voting pattern contrasts with your assertion that I want to be a Republican. As long as the Republican leave the party to the wingnuts all you’re gonna get are wingnuts. It isn’t going to fix itself. I’ve argued in the past that everybody should register R and vote out the worst of the entrenched wingnuts in the primaries.

Sorry, that was a stupid argument then, It remains a stupid argument now.

Stay a Republican if you choose, but to ask others to fix your problems is about the dumbest political argument I ever heard.

Look at the responses from the Republican moderates in office yesterday.

Oh, there were none.

Your party can’t even stand up now to put down Trump. And you want help for those that show no initiative to help themselves.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:26:17am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:26:49am

re: #171 John Carter

While true, the worst of the lot is the Boomers. They grew up with everything handed to them in the wake of WW2 and turned around and ruined it for everyone else.

Trump is their tantrum that the Millennials are coming into their own and they are no longer culturally significant.

I don’t want to get into generation battles here so I’ll say this as a Millenial. There are many boomers I have the utmost respect for and other boomers that can fuck off. Same with people my generation. I do hate that older generation’s tantrums at my generation though and lies about us.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:27:43am

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m no fan of Corbyn but Boris shut up, the reason why many of your countrymen are having a negative reaction to my country is because of your doppleganger.

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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:27:44am
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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:28:58am

(And I think we’re beyond the stage where we need to write “When you’ve lost Kristol” or “I hate having to agree with Bill”.)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:29:21am

re: #176 lawhawk

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It’s not the cursing you fucking Children of the Corn cosplayer. But keep on telling yourself that Ben, you fucking idiot whose immigrant ancestors would want to bitch slap him for what he’s been enabling for years. You’re acting like the people who attacked immigrant Jews as “dirty”.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:30:04am

re: #177 Belafon

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(And I think we’re beyond the stage where we need to write “When you’ve lost Kristol” or “I hate having to agree with Bill”.)

Kristol while his FP is honestly awful never struck me as a racist. An asshole who has no idea what his FP can create but not a racist.

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dangerman  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:30:53am

re: #140 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I’m still registered R in case there is someone worth voting for in a primary. Hasn’t happened but someday…
The last R presidential candidate I voted for was H in 1992 and the last R anything I voted for was Arlen Spector in about 2004.

Change your Registration, imo

It’s no longer worth the “just in case”

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:31:01am

re: #167 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

The Dems are ok without my primary participation. It’s the shitty Democratic voter turnout that burns me up but that isn’t up for grabs here. Whether we like it or not we have a two party system so we need a functioning Republican Party. (Or some other rival/adversary to the Democrats).

Answer why they are not functioning and there is your problem.

Sometimes a political party might just need to go away because the people in it are too corrupt to attract those that can bring any change.

We are possibly at that time.

You’d be better served to start a new party.

I wanna help that by making sure the Republican party is forced to change themselves or go away for a new party.

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John Carter  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:31:47am

re: #174 HappyWarrior

I don’t want to get into generation battles here so I’ll say this as a Millenial. There are many boomers I have the utmost respect for and other boomers that can fuck off. Same with people my generation. I do hate that older generation’s tantrums at my generation though and lies about us.

There are many great boomers - no question about that.

As for what the boomers say about Millenials, well as a X-er, at least your generation has the numbers to fight back. Boomers have been shitting on the X-ers (even our nickname name is derogatory) since the beginning but since we are so small we are dismissed. I love Millenials for the simple reasons they piss of Boomers and don’t take any shit from them and have the size to shut them down.

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William Lewis  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:32:40am

re: #160 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

It’s more of an oratorical thing. There was really no greatest generation.

No, I disagree.

Back a couple of generations ago there were people who, despite their own bigotries, still understood right from wrong. No one would ever accuse my ex-wife’s grandfather of being anything other than racist. And yet when the klan wanted to kill a young black man he knew he risked his life to sneak him past klan roadblocks and got him home. He overcame the evil in his own heart - even if it was only for that moment - and did what was right. So too many of the men and women who brought down the Fascist regimes of the 1940’s.

Can you imagine any of the current GOP members doing like GHWBush did and leaving a nice safe college class to go and risk his life as a combat pilot flying Grumman torpedo bombers in the Pacific? Getting shot down and being lucky enough to land at sea rather than on Chichi-jima like the nine others on the raid who were shot down, captured and eaten by their captors?

“Greatest Generation” is something of a rhetorical device, true, but it is also, simultaneously True as well. They had something too many of our current generation do not have and that honor, courage, discipline, whatever you want to call it, that we lack is why the Grand Old Fascist party is destroying America as we speak. The rest of us have no choice but to fight on despite there still being 30+% of the nation supporting Pumpkin Pinochet and who only wish for him to the be the kind of murderous thug that the Philippines has for a leader.

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:33:44am

re: #171 John Carter

While true, the worst of the lot is the Boomers. They grew up with everything handed to them in the wake of WW2 and turned around and ruined it for everyone else.

Trump is their tantrum that the Millennials are coming into their own and they are no longer culturally significant.

I’m a boomer. Charles the site owner is too. Many here are. You just dumped on the lot of us. Piss the hell off with your generalization.

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Old Liberal  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:36:35am

re: #151 Belafon

Some of those greatest generation voted for these people. Quite a few of them, actually. The greatest generation denied just about everything they could to blacks, including GI Bill benefits to black soldiers returning from WW2.

Not to mention that in order to gain southern support for New Deal policies, farm workers and domestics were excluded from Social Security to ensure that darker-skinned people wouldn’t get any. And a mile long list of other deplorable acts.

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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:36:46am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reminds me of the scene in Doctor Who where the Doctor tells Nixon he ought to tape his meetings/conversations.

Yeah, that’ll work out famously for Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:37:21am

re: #182 John Carter

There are many great boomers - no question about that.

As for what the boomers say about Millenials, well as a X-er, at least your generation has the numbers to fight back. Boomers have been shitting on the X-ers (even our nickname name is derogatory) since the beginning but since we are so small we are dismissed. I love Millenials for the simple reasons they piss of Boomers and don’t take any shit from them and have the size to shut them down.

What I love is when they bitch about participation trophies. Yeah? Who gave them to us? But anyhow, I don’t care about generations. I care about people. A lot of the worst alt-right assholes are my age or even younger and a lot of the people fighting back are old enough to be my parents or even grandparents in the case of someone like John Lewis or Nancy Pelosi.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:37:56am

re: #185 Old Liberal

Not to mention that in order to gain southern support for New Deal policies, farm workers and domestics were excluded from Social Security to ensure that darker-skinned people wouldn’t get any. And a mile long list of other deplorable acts.

To be fair, that wasn’t the Greatest Generation, that was their parents.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:38:55am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:39:08am

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yep. Or Shapiro’s “You’re crying about curse words.” From the dipshit that whines about Hollywood non stop.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:39:53am

re: #183 William Lewis

Conservatives and liberals join the military, even now.

I’ll give you an anecdote about race. My mother is racist. Those Mexicans and those blacks are lazy and are dangerous. When I was a kid, a Mexican couple from down the street got into a fight. The guy jumped in the car. He was drunk, and his wife tried to stop him, by hanging onto him through the window. She fell off in the street. We all came running out side because of the noise and went to check on her. The guy turned his car around, acting like he was going to run over the woman. My mom laid on top of her. He swung around at the last moment.

I’ve seen acts of kindness and bravery by people who claim to hate a certain group of people in general. My mom has black friends.

They got the name “greatest generation” from fighting in WW2. But they could fight in that and still come home and be hostile to other American citizens.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:41:17am
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:41:36am
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Old Liberal  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:44:14am

re: #188 HappyWarrior

To be fair, that wasn’t the Greatest Generation, that was their parents.

What is the definition? Are there years bracketed? Age groups? Not being snarky, I don’t know the rules.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:45:23am

In November when I was at the polls the Judge of Elections for my division called me over and told me he wanted me on the election board. Right now in my division the entire election board is Democratic. The minority party Republican is not represented. The entire board wants me there because I have worked with them for over 20 years. Even the Democratic Ward leader agreed with our board she wants me on the board too. I told my Ward Leader the Republican that everyone wants me on the board. He too agreed it would be a good idea. The reason I got that nomination is because I work with people no matter who they are. I still remember what Tip O’Neill said many years ago, “All politics is local.” This is what I believe and what I continue to stand by as an elected official of the City and County of Philadelphia.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:47:51am

re: #194 Old Liberal

What is the definition? Are there years bracketed? Age groups? Not being snarky, I don’t know the rules.

I usually see the Greatest Generation defined as beginning around 1920ish. Those people would be too young to vote for FDR. I’d say basically anyone born after WWI and who coming of age in the Depression. That said, I’m seeing a definition now that has it as early as 1900. I don’t know. My dad’s parents were born in 1912/13 and Mom’s were 27/29 and I always saw my Dad’s parents as being a different generation than Mom’s since Dad’s parents were married with kids in fact as Mom’s parents were still in elementary school.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:49:00am

*blink*

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:49:32am

re: #183 William Lewis

I heartily disagree that their generation is any greater than ours. Their generation was as captive to their fears and apathy as ours. What that generation had that this one doesn’t was the war. The trajectory of history has been a positive one. If this generation were called upon en masse like seventyfive years ago they would answer the call.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:50:26am

I like to think my generation would have done what the WWII generation did were we confronted with that. Conversely, I hope we never have to find out.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:50:29am
Trump…is all id and pure appetite, unspooling raw, insatiable, childish hunger every night on Twitter. He’s the most unregulated, unself-governed president this country has ever had, an example of what happens to the psyche of rich white people after four decades of economic deregulation. But white folks—at least powerful ones—get to decide the exception to the rule. (“Some of the virtues of a freeman would be the vices of slaves,” as one 1837 defense of slavery explained.) And that’s what makes Trump the whitest of white presidents: He can openly tweet-mock moral conventions that hold that only those who demonstrate self-sovereignty are worthy of political sovereignty and still be the sovereign.

thenation.com

And that will be the hardest thing to overcome. You can’t legislate, in a democracy, that only people who have cleared a certain moral bar can run for president. You can put up barriers, I still think that requiring tax returns to be released is a good one, but, in the end, good people will just have to show up and do the right thing.

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:51:15am

re: #182 John Carter

There are many great boomers - no question about that.

As for what the boomers say about Millenials, well as a X-er, at least your generation has the numbers to fight back. Boomers have been shitting on the X-ers (even our nickname name is derogatory) since the beginning but since we are so small we are dismissed. I love Millenials for the simple reasons they piss of Boomers and don’t take any shit from them and have the size to shut them down.

Who pissed in your pool?

Many boomers also thought they were the people to piss off the establishment of the time. They were going to be the saviors and didn’t take any shit from the older generations.

You know what happened? Some of them grew past what was only fashion to them, got some money and power and turned their backs on everything they stood for.

I don’t like many of my generation either. But I try to understand how the world works and none of this is unique in history. I didn’t close my mind as many in my generation have.

You are going to find out that as the Millenials grow older and get their money and power many of them too will forget everything they stood for and they too will look down on others of their generation and generations younger.

Get ready for some hard truths coming your way.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:54:02am

re: #201 ObserverArt

I still marvel that so much of each generation ditches the optimism and humanity they had when they were young and embraces the bitterness and fear as their elders

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Old Liberal  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:54:47am

re: #196 HappyWarrior

I usually see the Greatest Generation defined as beginning around 1920ish. Those people would be too young to vote for FDR. I’d say basically anyone born after WWI and who coming of age in the Depression. That said, I’m seeing a definition now that has it as early as 1900. I don’t know. My dad’s parents were born in 1912/13 and Mom’s were 27/29 and I always saw my Dad’s parents as being a different generation than Mom’s since Dad’s parents were married with kids in fact as Mom’s parents were still in elementary school.

OK, but if we start from 1920, for example, then the Greatest Generation owns a whole lot of shit from the 1950s 60s 70s and 80s that makes them a whole lot less “great”. Segregation, union suppression, Vietnam, Nixon, Watergate, Reagan, desegregation opposition, opposition to LGBTQ. I’m going to go with “What is a rhetorical device used to sell a book?” Alex.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:55:23am

re: #203 Old Liberal

OK, but if we start from 1920, for example, then the Greatest Generation owns a whole lot of shit from the 1950s 60s 70s and 80s that makes them a whole lot less “great”. Segregation, union suppression, Vietnam, Nixon, Watergate, Reagan, desegregation opposition, opposition to LGBTQ. I’m going to go with “What is a rhetorical device used to sell a book?” Alex.

Oh I don’t disagree with that. But the Social Security Act was brought up which was passed in 1935.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:57:26am

Hm for a couple days now Firefox has locked up after I load LGF, requiring closing the browser and opening it again to read new comments or any other Website. I’ll try Microsoft Edge and see how it works.

Boomer here, ducking from the flying ordinance coming in.

As for trying to “save the Republican Party from themselves,” they need to do that. I have never knowingly voted for a Republican, ever since my first vote for Jimmy Carter’s reëlection against Ronald Reagan (who opened his campaign on the site of slain civil rights workers, a dogwhistle so loud you could hear it from space).

The country has survived the collapse of major political parties before (the Anti-Federalists, the Whigs, &c). If the GOP was to collapse, another would take its place (perhaps the Libertarians since they already have a fifty-state presence, perhaps another).

As for voting for John McCain, I never once considered it. Aside from his age, his continual “I got mine, screw the rest of you vets” and selecting the Tundra Grifter for a running mate, there are plenty of examples of his famous equivocation in the Senate.

Barry Goldwater was “Mr. Conservative” when I was coming of age, and he was also a first class racist. Until Reagan came along, he was my impression of the GOP. Goldwater’s only concern was Paul Wyrich convincing Reagan to bring all the Evangelicals into his campaign to vote against the Evangelical sitting President.

Dwight Eisenhower could have run as either a D or an R. He felt the same way (the country needs two strong parties) which is why he ran as an R when the party was dying after the Depression. Eisenhower was wrong: A new second party arises if one dies off.

Eisenhower was paid back for his kindness by Joe McCarthy.

Let the Rs fix their own problems, as a liberal I don’t have to help them. If the Ds ever go off the rails, I’ll find a new party.

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Old Liberal  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:58:05am

re: #202 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I still marvel that so much of each generation ditches the optimism and humanity they had when they were young and embraces the bitterness and fear as their elders

Back in 1973, the retired School Superintendent of my rural school district said to me “Of course people get more conservative as they age. What bothers me is when these young people who are conservative. They become extremists.”

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:58:21am

re: #202 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I still marvel that so much of each generation ditches the optimism and humanity they had when they were young and embraces the bitterness and fear as their elders

I think it comes from things not turning out like you hoped so you blame others.

It is easy to hate. It is hard to fight it.

They give up. And when you give up you have to find someone else to blame.

Look down.

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William Lewis  Jan 12, 2018 • 6:58:51am

re: #198 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I heartily disagree that their generation is any greater than ours. Their generation was as captive to their fears and apathy as ours. What that generation had that this one doesn’t was the war. The trajectory of history has been a positive one. If this generation were called upon en masse like seventyfive years ago they would answer the call.

That fantasy will do more damage than Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:00:06am

re: #206 Old Liberal

Back in 1973, the retired School Superintendent of my rural school district said to me “Of course people get more conservative as they age. What bothers me is when these young people who are conservative. They become extremists.”

That makes me wonder what’s going to happen to a lot of these young alt-right people. Some of them I think will renounce their past racism. But many of them? They’re going to get worse.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:01:11am

re: #208 William Lewis

That fantasy will do more damage than Trump.

You obviously don’t remember when people ran to volunteer after 9/11.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:01:30am

re: #209 HappyWarrior

That makes me wonder what’s going to happen to a lot of these young alt-right people. Some of them I think will renounce their past racism. But many of them? They’re going to get worse.

All we can do is stand up to them.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:03:07am

re: #211 Belafon

All we can do is stand up to them.

Yep. I don’t disagree. I just worry that today’s Pepe fan is going to be tomorrow’s full out Nazi.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:03:37am

re: #208 William Lewis

What fantasy? The injustices of our society have grown smaller in scale compared with fifty, a hundred or two hundred years ago. It’s the bigots and radicals who fantasize of a past golden age. They are the ones who voted for Trump

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:05:34am

As for the generation thing. I do get tired of people blaming one generation over another, as well as thinking everyone in a generation is being blamed for the actions of some (it’s like “Men can get aggressive” “Not me!”). From what I’ve seen as a history reader and observer is that every generation had some good people, some good people for the time who are now not quite as good (see the founding fathers), and some really bad people. Events shape them. But, as long as the good people and the good people at the time keep fighting to make it better, things will improve.

As for all of us right here, right now, we have racists running the country. What we will be defined as is how we will respond to it.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:07:58am
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BlueGrl21  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:08:49am

re: #206 Old Liberal

Back in 1973, the retired School Superintendent of my rural school district said to me “Of course people get more conservative as they age. What bothers me is when these young people who are conservative. They become extremists.”

Or it can go the other way. My mother was a staunch Conservative until Reagan. She voted for him, watched the shitstorm, and said, “Never again.” She would not vote Republican now if you held a gun to her head.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:11:35am

re: #216 BlueGrl21

Or it can go the other way. My mother was a staunch Conservative until Reagan. She voted for him, watched the shitstorm, and said, “Never again.” She would not vote Republican now if you held a gun to her head.

It’s nice to see that some conservatives saw Reagan for what he actually was instead of doubling down on the Reagan myth. I still laugh thiking about what my mom’s dad said about him. “He wasn’t even that good an actor.” Oh and he told Oliver North that Chuck Robb had him in 1994. I loved that man. Unlike Trump, he actually did tell things as they were and didn’t try to go back on it.

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William Lewis  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:15:05am

re: #213 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

What fantasy? The injustices of our society have grown smaller in scale compared with fifty, a hundred or two hundred years ago. It’s the bigots and radicals who fantasize of a past golden age. They are the ones who voted for Trump

And those remain an eager 1/3 of the country. You’ll not get the kind of WWII response that you think you would unless it was a fascist war against brown people.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:16:04am

One thing I notice among people who drift (or veer) right is that they have the same world view they had when they were teenagers. Or worse, they haven’t changed a bit. I joke often that I am 53 going on 15 (and my patients and colleagues really seem to respond well to that) but I never forget that I am a work in progress. At the heart of conservatism is the awareness of limits or put another way, accepting the fact that you may be wrong. (It’s happened)

Disclaimer: the current use of “conservative” refers to people who don’t have a conservative bone in their bodies. They refuse to concede that they might not be right about anything. They are reactionaries. They are radicals. There’s no way in hell a radical can be conservative. Calling these people conservative is a sugar coating they aren’t worthy of.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:17:46am

So I see my prediction from last night is coming true, having found a great deal of public outrage over Trump’s sentiments, the wingnuts are going with a talking point that his saying “shitholes” is fake but the idea that people from those nations are undesirable is real…and supported by “most Americans.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:18:14am

Trump Disproves Dementia Concerns by Shouting “Wall” at a WSJ Reporter for Three Straight Hours (goes to Wonkette)

Why does the White House staff let Trump talk to reporters? If you’re going to put Poot Lips up there every afternoon to swear on a can of AquaNet that the President is the posterboy for mental health, then why let him sit down for an extended session of loonytoons word vomit with the Wall Street Journal! We know you’re all just amateurs up there, but COME ON! LORDY! THEY SHOULD JUST LET HIM WATCH TELEVISION IN HIS BATHROBE ALL DAY!
It’s been a year since that fool was sworn in, and we’ve all watched enough disaster porn to know the drill. Time for another round of Top 4,723 Batshit Insane Interview Quotes: The Not Russia Edition. Evan will fill you in on all the Russia fuckery later, so stay tuned!

Read more at wonkette.com

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:18:27am

re: #220 Targetpractice

So I see my prediction from last night is coming true, having found a great deal of public outrage over Trump’s sentiments, the wingnuts are going with a talking point that his saying “shitholes” is fake but the idea that people from those nations are undesirable is real…and supported by “most Americans.”

Cowardly fucks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:19:15am

The Greatest Generation was great because they understood that they were not just working for themselves; they were working to make the world a better place for their children and for others.
They understood that it took a more that a bit of self-sacrifice and seeing beyond their own immediate personal benefit.
I have not seen that in any GOP policy put forward in this administration.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:19:33am

re: #182 John Carter

Shut up, get off my lawn and back to work so you can keep my social security solvent!!

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Sir John Barron  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:20:01am

re: #221 Anymouse 🌹

Trump Disproves Dementia Concerns by Shouting “Wall” at a WSJ Reporter for Three Straight Hours (goes to Wonkette)

“loony tunes word vomit”

That’s gold, Jerry, GOLD.

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William Lewis  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:20:47am

Well, sorry to piss people off but if you think our politically polarized nation would pull together for anything under Trump…? Even 9/11 was 17 years ago - 17 years of Faux News and GOF propaganda and 8 years of racist resentments against a black president “from Kenya”. The nation has been badly poisoned and it remains to be seen if there is any chance of survival.

Now, I have to go out and deal with the real world, talk to people who believe these things the president says are true and try to talk to them else-wise. To try and _do_ in a world that only wants to talk shit.

Later.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:23:25am

re: #219 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

(rest cut) Disclaimer: the current use of “conservative” refers to people who don’t have a conservative bone in their bodies. They refuse to concede that they might not be right about anything. They are reactionaries. They are radicals. There’s no way in hell a radical can be conservative. Calling these people conservative is a sugar coating they aren’t worthy of.

Goldwater wasn’t a “true conservative” (so they memory-holed his support for Planned Parenthood). Wallace wasn’t a “true conservative.” McCarthy wasn’t a “true conservative, he was a reactionary.” Reagan wasn’t a “true conservative” (so they made up what they wanted about him). GW Bush wasn’t a “true conservative” (so they memory holed him).

Nope. Today’s crop of conservatives are no different. Conservatism is the endless quest of trying to find the “True Conservative (tm)” and when the latest Great White Hope turns out not to meet expectations, then it’s “the party left me, I didn’t leave the party” (my wife constantly uses that one from her days before being a Libertarian) or “he isn’t really a True Conservative.”

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:28:14am

War Porn

Russia’s EXPLOSIVE war games: Thousands of troops simulate ATTACK in huge drills
RUSSIA has sparked fears of a potential war looming as thousands of troops simulated a deadly attack during huge military drills. Pictures from the Khmelyovka training ground show soldiers in a massive range of war scenarios, including detonating weapons on the battlefield.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:28:57am

re: #227 Anymouse 🌹

My point is these right wingers are using the word conservatism as a sort of euphemism to obscure their ugliness. Like I said there isn’t a conservative bone in their bodies.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:31:45am

All modern day conservatives or whatever you want to call them seem to care about is pissing off their idea of liberals.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:32:11am

re: #227 Anymouse 🌹

Goldwater wasn’t a “true conservative” (so they memory-holed his support for Planned Parenthood). Wallace wasn’t a “true conservative.” McCarthy wasn’t a “true conservative, he was a reactionary.” Reagan wasn’t a “true conservative” (so they made up what they wanted about him). GW Bush wasn’t a “true conservative” (so they memory holed him).

Nope. Today’s crop of conservatives are no different. Conservatism is the endless quest of trying to find the “True Conservative (tm)” and when the latest Great White Hope turns out not to meet expectations, then it’s “the party left me, I didn’t leave the party” (my wife constantly uses that one from her days before being a Libertarian) or “he isn’t really a True Conservative.”

They only ever really use those lines to explain why they’ve lost the presidency this go around. It’s the ever-ready talking point for why the latest disaster of a Republican has either been run out of office or immediately replaced by a Democrat: “He wasn’t a ‘true conservative’ because he (insert ‘liberal’ action) and so the nation rejected him. If we’d had a ‘true conservative,’ America would be in a much better place!”

See also: Their hate for Papa Bush raising taxes to deal with his boss’ runaway deficits, Dubya hated for not allowing entire sectors of the economy to crash, Ford hated for not defending Nixon’s “legacy,” Nixon hated for “getting caught,” etc, etc. They love the myth of Ronaldus Magnus, largely because he left office with the party in a good enough spot to get Bush Sr elected. Even today, they try to blame all the negative shit from Ron’s presidency on those around him (see: Iran-Contra) or argue that he had “good intentions” that got spoiled by Tip O’Neill.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:32:12am

re: #229 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

My point is these right wingers are using the word conservatism as a sort of euphemism to obscure their ugliness. Like I said there isn’t a conservative bone in their bodies.

So did McCarthy. So did Goldwater. So did Wallace. So did Strom Thurmond. So did Reagan. So did W.

So when was the last True Conservative, because apparently that was a long time before I was born.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:32:16am
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Mike Lamb  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:33:08am

His “walk back” re: Haiti is something else:

I didn’t say anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a shithole country…

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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:33:12am

re: #230 HappyWarrior

All modern day conservatives or whatever you want to call them seem to care about is pissing off their idea of liberals.

And screwing the poor, minorities, and anyone who isn’t exactly like them.

They’re also the very special snowflakes they claim liberals are.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:34:05am

re: #235 lawhawk

And screwing the poor, minorities, and anyone who isn’t exactly like them.

They’re also the very special snowflakes they claim liberals are.

Very much so. These are people who flip out over transgendered people using the same shitters as they do for fuck sake but we’re snowflakes because we think people shouldn’t be hateful fucks?

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:34:18am

re: #230 HappyWarrior

I agree. They have their white privilege, and they think tjings are just fine as they are now. They’d vote against a liberal even if it means their mines will close or their taxes will go up

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:35:21am

re: #234 Mike Lamb

His “walk back” re: Haiti is something else:

I didn’t say anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a shithole country…

As I saw stated somewhere, his “shithole” comment was basically “It’s all the Democrats fault they couldn’t read my mind that I don’t want brown people in this country.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:35:22am

re: #237 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I agree. They have their white privilege, and they think tjings are just fine as they are now. They’d vote against a liberal even if it means their mines will close or their taxes will go up

Man if I stick my dick in this sticker bush, it will infuriate the libs!

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:35:38am

re: #233 Belafon

[Embedded content]

That’s really what this is. His vanity project is not getting full funding and he’s looking for any excuse to blow up the deal over it. And the GOP, much like every other disaster he’s driven them into, will now faithfully drive the country into another shutdown over his demands that a wall that was supposed to be paid for by Mexico be funded by US taxpayers.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:36:43am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Man if I stick my dick in this sticker bush, it will infuriate the libs!

It will really piss the libs off if I piss on an electric fence.

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mmmirele  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:37:10am

This is my congresscritter:

Facebook Post

And my response:

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:37:13am

re: #232 Anymouse 🌹

You want to know who I think was the last true conservative? I am serious btw
(I was gonna put it behind a tag but the last time I did I shrunk the whole thread)

Barack Obama

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:38:12am

re: #241 Anymouse 🌹

It will really piss the libs off if I piss on an electric fence.

Jeebus I really don’t recommend that (shudders).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:39:10am

re: #241 Anymouse 🌹

It will really piss the libs off if I piss on an electric fence.

Don’t Whiz on the Electric Fence Song

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:40:16am

re: #243 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

You want to know who I think was the last true conservative? I am serious btw
(I was gonna put it behind a tag but the last time I did I shrunk the whole thread)

Barack Obama

I think Obama was conservative in some ways. Maybe not politically but in approach. Obama definitely isn’t the radical the right thinks he was. He was in fact very pragmatic.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:40:27am

What I figure is sometime in the next 10 days, the GOP will beg the DNC to again bail them out by agreeing to another temporary CR, pushing out the date to later in the year in the hope that they can somehow assuage Hair Furor over wall funding.

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weave  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:40:33am

You know damn well too that whenever we get a Democratic President again, we’re going to have to go back to hearing every day about each little nonsensical bullshit matter that said President does that disgraces and diminishes the office again.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:41:09am

Well, at least we’re off the “no true Baby Boomer, Millenial, &c” kick. /s

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:41:18am

re: #243 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

You want to know who I think was the last true conservative? I am serious btw
(I was gonna put it behind a tag but the last time I did I shrunk the whole thread)

Barack Obama

I know Obama was an empty vessel we all like to project our views onto, but compared to every other president that’s been in office, I’m just not seeing it. One of the things I associate with conservatives is “It’s not too bad right now, which should things change substantially.” It’s why I agree with your statement about Republicans being reactionaries, they don’t want to leave things as they are, they want to move things back a few decades. But I’m just not seeing him as conservative.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:41:54am

re: #248 weave

I’m actually ok with that. What I won’t be ok with is stonewalling judges and legislation.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:41:56am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

Exactly. He was pragmatic and that is exactly what is needed for leader.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:42:10am

re: #248 weave

You know damn well too that whenever we get a Democratic President again, we’re going to have to go back to hearing every day about each little nonsensical bullshit matter that said President does that disgraces and diminishes the office again.

Then one of the good things about Trump is that we can tell them to fuck off.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:42:14am

re: #248 weave

You know damn well too that whenever we get a Democratic President again, we’re going to have to go back to hearing every day about each little nonsensical bullshit matter that said President does that disgraces and diminishes the office again.

He’s wearing a tan suit!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:43:21am

re: #252 PhillyPretzel

Exactly. He was pragmatic and that is exactly what is needed for leader.

I had a good line the other day I thought about arrogance and leaders. You gotta be arrogant to want the job but you gotta be humble enough to keep the job.

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MsJ  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:44:02am

re: #243 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

You want to know who I think was the last true conservative? I am serious btw
(I was gonna put it behind a tag but the last time I did I shrunk the whole thread)

Barack Obama

So you want democrats - or conservatives, as you call them - to fix everything so you can return to voting for the people who fucked it up in the first place. Awesome.

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:45:41am

re: #243 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

You want to know who I think was the last true conservative? I am serious btw
(I was gonna put it behind a tag but the last time I did I shrunk the whole thread)

Barack Obama

Some people also say Bill Clinton was a conservative…and Hillary.

That is why the Democrats have their own issues.

People always seem to forget the Democrats really are open to everyone…that is not a hateful bigot.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:45:53am

re: #243 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

You want to know who I think was the last true conservative? I am serious btw
(I was gonna put it behind a tag but the last time I did I shrunk the whole thread)

Barack Obama

Also, that means there’s no reason to stay in the Republican party. We have your conservatives right here.

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Weaselone  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:47:13am
Well, sorry to piss people off but if you think our politically polarized nation would pull together for anything under Trump…? Even 9/11 was 17 years ago - 17 years of Faux News and GOF propaganda and 8 years of racist resentments against a black president “from Kenya”. The nation has been badly poisoned and it remains to be seen if there is any chance of survival.

Now, I have to go out and deal with the real world, talk to people who believe these things the president says are true and try to talk to them else-wise. To try and _do_ in a world that only wants to talk shit.

Later.

We’ve never had everyone. Even before WWII you had a massive nest of Nazi sympathizers here. During the Revolution, there was massive swath of Tories. When events that truly test the national character transpire what you end up with is the 20-30 percent of the population that gives a shit one way getting the support of the temporarily energized 40-60% of the dedicated disengaged while most of the 20-30% of the deplorable shitheads go along to get along and the rest get crushed by sheer numbers.

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:47:43am

re: #249 Anymouse 🌹

Well, at least we’re off the “no true Baby Boomer, Millenial, &c” kick. /s

I hate bags man.

(hippietalk)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:48:19am

I really hate going political but my problem with the shithole comments is more so the implication that the people from those countries are unworthy of being here: Growing up in the DC burbs, I knew many people from places like El Salvador, Haiti, sub-Saharan Africa, etc. I love this country which is why I’m happy to share it just as I’m glad there were those wiling to share with mine when we got here from Germany, France, Ireland, Scotland, Slovakia, and Slovenia. My first immigrant ancestor arrived during the French Revolution. My last one a few years after WWI. Some of us can go back to Jamestown or Plymouth, others have arrived far more recently. America’s beauty is in the simple idea we are one out of many, where a Euro mutt like me shares the same dreams and belief in his country as someone whose path here may be different than mine but we’re united in said dream. If you don’t see that, as why people have taken offense to Trump’s words, I’d honestly advise you to try to remember your own family who experienced the feeling of being unwanted in some quarters but worked and laid the foundation to get you are now where you can’t imagine being anywhere else.

This was my rant on the subject. Surprisingly none of the Trumpers I know have said anything. I did get a like from my mom’s cousin and one from a paternal cousin, both of whom I’ve connected with in the past year.

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:49:05am

re: #114 Dr. Matt

The 2000 John McCain was the last time I thought a republican made sense. I might have voted for him.

Michael Bloomberg; in fact, I did vote for him. 3 times.

RINO, but still. Officially Republican at the time.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:49:20am

I can pretty much guarantee that many in the GOP leadership right now are absolutely livid over Cheeto Benito getting them stuck so deeply in this mess. They wanted to push out the spending/debt ceiling issue past November, in the hopes that they could continue pursuing their legislative agenda sans headaches over shutdowns/defaults. But instead he openly sabotaged by them by accepting a 3 month extension because he thought he could use that to leverage wall funding from the DNC leadership. Now they’ve got a rolling crisis where every few weeks, they have to visit this again and the DNC’s demands remain pretty much the same. With the knowledge that they’re never going to secure funding without a major concession on their part, but without it they’re never going to do more than just keep limping from deadline to deadline.

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:49:54am

re: #256 MsJ

So you want democrats - or conservatives, as you call them - to fix everything so you can return to voting for the people who fucked it up in the first place. Awesome.

Well, Steve is a nurse.

Just trying to bring them back to health. And not realizing it may be terminal.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:52:13am

re: #256 MsJ

I don’t think you’re getting my line of argument. I don’t expect anybody to fix everything. What I want is to push out the extremists. Admittedly we need help because they aren’t just going to walk away on their own and my argument is the best way to get them out is at the primaries. As far as who f’ed things up there is plenty of blame to go around.
I can argue that the Democrats have a lot to do with their substantial legislative minority status (see 2010)

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:54:36am

re: #258 Belafon

I’m well aware of that. I’ve also said that Republicans aren’t conservative. You missed the part where I said 1 I don’t vote for Republicans and 2 I only stay registered in the hope that I met get to vote against a wingnuts in a primary

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MsJ  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:54:46am

re: #264 ObserverArt

Well, Steve is a nurse.

Just trying to bring them back to health. And not realizing it may be terminal.

It’s so depressing it makes me want to cry.

Being pragmatic about what is possible is now called being conservative.

I just can’t even.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:55:19am

re: #265 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I don’t think you’re getting my line of argument. I don’t expect anybody to fix everything. What I want is to push out the extremists. Admittedly we need help because they aren’t just going to walk away on their own and my argument is the best way to get them out is at the primaries. As far as who f’ed things up there is plenty of blame to go around.
I can argue that the Democrats have a lot to do with their substantial legislative minority status (see 2010)

Hm. I agree the GOP would be a better place without its extremists. My problem is in my fifty-seven years I’ve never seen anything but extremists in that party.

I’d rather let the extremists tear the party apart and see a new one that’s less extreme arise from the ashes.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:55:46am

re: #265 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I don’t think you’re getting my line of argument. I don’t expect anybody to fix everything. What I want is to push out the extremists. Admittedly we need help because they aren’t just going to walk away on their own and my argument is the best way to get them out is at the primaries. As far as who f’ed things up there is plenty of blame to go around.
I can argue that the Democrats have a lot to do with their substantial legislative minority status (see 2010)

The sickness is throughout the party. There’s a good chunk that is racist. And there’s another good chunk that has used that to maintain power. You have to get rid of both groups. The problem is that the second group has the money Republicans use.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:57:20am

re: #268 Anymouse 🌹

That may happen. Just remember that breaking something in order to improve does not always work.

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Old Liberal  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:57:40am

re: #232 Anymouse 🌹

So did McCarthy. So did Goldwater. So did Wallace. So did Strom Thurmond. So did Reagan. So did W.

So when was the last True Conservative, because apparently that was a long time before I was born.

This is why I use “conservative” when most use “Republican”. They call themselves “conservative” and define it as “limited government, personal responsibility, strong defense” which doesn’t define them at all. I would like to do to “conservative” as was done to “liberal”- make it a pejorative so they can’t hide behind it to sound reasonable.

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:58:19am

Weather watching. I’m hoping that this transition from warm rain to cold snow is fast so we don’t have too much ice in the transition.

Right now it is looking decent. The “pink” ice band looks to be diminishing. And, forecasts for snow have been cut back from up to 7” to 2 to 4”

Yeah, sick of winter…and Trump. Mostly Trump.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 12, 2018 • 7:59:47am

re: #272 ObserverArt

I am also watching the weather. It does not look good.
weather.gov

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:00:11am

re: #268 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t think you would see that happen. The extremists already own the party. Why would they want to leave it and start a new one? I don’t see the extremists growing less extreme. My logic of crashing the Republican Party is to reduce their voice or put another way dilute their ownership interest.

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:02:06am

re: #271 Old Liberal

This is why I use “conservative” when most use “Republican”. They call themselves “conservative” and define it as “limited government, personal responsibility, strong defense” which doesn’t define them at all. I would like to do to “conservative” as was done to “liberal”- make it a pejorative so they can’t hide behind it to sound reasonable.

I think they are doing that to themselves. Unlike Reagan and his “L” word which was given to the Democrats, making your own party a toxic brownfield will be longer lasting.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:02:56am

re: #269 Belafon

And how do you get rid of the racists? They’re not going to leave the party when that is the source of their power.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:03:35am

Racist representative in the district next door says what?

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:04:44am

re: #276 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Make them unwelcome and very much on edge. They should not be a part of any political processes.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:04:59am

re: #277 Anymouse 🌹

Racist representative in the district next door says what?

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Fuck you KKKing. My uncle was one of those so called anchor babies and he served this country. What have you fucking done other than been a stalking horse for racism?

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:05:06am

re: #271 Old Liberal

The problem with that is they prefer to be called conservative instead of what they really are.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:06:20am

re: #271 Old Liberal

This is why I use “conservative” when most use “Republican”. They call themselves “conservative” and define it as “limited government, personal responsibility, strong defense” which doesn’t define them at all. I would like to do to “conservative” as was done to “liberal”- make it a pejorative so they can’t hide behind it to sound reasonable.

Might be a little tough though to make the word “conservative” a pejorative.

Conservatives supported the Crown. They supported slavery. They fought a Civil War against the nation. They supported and advanced Jim Crow laws and segregation. They weren’t ashamed of doing those things then, they won’t be now.

Those things are conservatism.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:06:23am

re: #276 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

And how do you get rid of the racists? They’re not going to leave the party when that is the source of their power.

I believe that’s our question to you.

Have you ever left a job because you realize that they’re just not going to fix what you see needs to be fixed.

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dangerman  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:06:37am

today, pagliacci. first:

YouTube

then the full bocelli

YouTube

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:06:46am

Gotta go outside and get wet

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:07:08am

re: #277 Anymouse 🌹

Racist representative in the district next door says what?

[Embedded content]

That’s the other talking point: “If Trump is wrong, then send those people back!” A point that only makes sense if you ignore Trump’s stated preference for people from nations like Norway.

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:07:18am

re: #277 Anymouse 🌹

Racist representative in the district next door says what?

[Embedded content]

Time to drag this out…again.

I’m not trying to ‘cause a big s-s-sensation…
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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:09:07am

re: #277 Anymouse 🌹

Racist representative in the district next door says what?

A better idea, Mr. King, is you should head to a certain country in Europe that seems to think people like you would make good citizens. Attacked the country last year via election manipulation.

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jeffreyw  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:09:48am
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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:10:37am

The wingnuts love Trump’s thinking because they really want to end all immigration and chase out those who can’t trace their ancestry to US soil back several generations, BUT if they have to accept immigrants then they want them from white-majority countries. This is from the mindset that America’s problems are because there are too few white people around and that if we don’t turn back the demographic decline then the country is “doomed.”

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:11:46am

re: #282 Belafon

Not yet but if you mean to argue that I should register other than R I would say it isn’t a real comparison. Just because I reserve the right to vote for a reasonable R in a primary (remember that PA has closed primaries) doesn’t mean that I support the Republican Party in any way. I haven’t cast a vote for one in November in over twenty years.
Now I really gotta get wet. Thanks Obama

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:13:36am

re: #273 PhillyPretzel

Don’t get too close

weather.com

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:14:54am

re: #290 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Not yet but if you mean to argue that I should register other than R I would say it isn’t a real comparison. Just because I reserve the right to vote for a reasonable R in a primary (remember that PA has closed primaries) doesn’t mean that I support the Republican Party in any way. I haven’t cast a vote for one in November in over twenty years.
Now I really gotta get wet. Thanks Obama

You can register as a Democrat and still vote for a reasonable Republican.

So, it is telling you hang with your party.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:14:57am

Nothing more pathetic than a dude with Jesus H. Christ in his Facebook photo defending Trump’s comments and saying that all immigrants do is mooch off the system.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:15:17am

re: #292 ObserverArt

You can register as a Democrat and still vote for a reasonable Republican.

So, it is telling you hang with your party.

He lives in a closed primary state.

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Weaselone  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:15:49am

re: #277 Anymouse 🌹

Racist representative in the district next door says what?

[Embedded content]

Think there’s any way we can get Ireland to take him back?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:16:26am

re: #263 Targetpractice

I can pretty much guarantee that many in the GOP leadership right now are absolutely livid over Cheeto Benito getting them stuck so deeply in this mess. They wanted to push out the spending/debt ceiling issue past November, in the hopes that they could continue pursuing their legislative agenda sans headaches over shutdowns/defaults. But instead he openly sabotaged by them by accepting a 3 month extension because he thought he could use that to leverage wall funding from the DNC leadership. Now they’ve got a rolling crisis where every few weeks, they have to visit this again and the DNC’s demands remain pretty much the same. With the knowledge that they’re never going to secure funding without a major concession on their part, but without it they’re never going to do more than just keep limping from deadline to deadline.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS, SUCH ACCOMPLISHMENTS, MAGA!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:16:40am

re: #295 Weaselone

Think there’s any way we can get Ireland to take him back?

Come on, that’s not fair to them. They’re not why he’s a racist fuckwad.

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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:16:45am

Hoft retweets:

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:19:00am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

Nothing more pathetic than a dude with Jesus H. Christ in his Facebook photo defending Trump’s comments and saying that all immigrants do is mooch off the system.

“Immigrants are a bunch of moochers!!!” declares the crowd that would go absolutely apeshit if Medicare and Social Security disappeared tomorrow.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:20:07am

re: #295 Weaselone

Think there’s any way we can get Ireland to take him back?

Is he looking to ship back “anchor babies” like Ivanka, Eric, Donald Jr., and Barron?

Tiffany would be able to stay.

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calochortus  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:20:45am

re: #266 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I’m well aware of that. I’ve also said that Republicans aren’t conservative. You missed the part where I said 1 I don’t vote for Republicans and 2 I only stay registered in the hope that I met get to vote against a wingnuts in a primary

I was a Republican far longer than I should have been for that reason. I gave up when the party endorsed torture. It’s OK if that’s what works for you.

Also there are areas where you have to belong to the GOP to have any say in local politics, and you may live in one of those. I’m not going to dump on your choices.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:20:51am

re: #261 HappyWarrior

I really hate going political but my problem with the shithole comments is more so the implication that the people from those countries are unworthy of living

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:21:00am

re: #268 Anymouse 🌹

Hm. I agree the GOP would be a better place without its extremists. My problem is in my fifty-seven years I’ve never seen anything but extremists in that party.

cough*Gerald Ford*cough

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:21:05am

re: #298 lawhawk

Hoft retweets:

[Embedded content]

Look at them goalposts move. Trump said nothing about “criminal aliens,” Steve.

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lawhawk  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:21:06am

re: #300 Anymouse 🌹

Is he looking to ship back “anchor babies” like Ivanka, Eric, Donald Jr., and Barron?

Tiffany would be able to stay.

Anchor babies only applies when the person involved isn’t white or European (Christian preferred).

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Weaselone  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:21:12am

re: #285 Targetpractice

That’s the other talking point: “If Trump is wrong, then send those people back!” A point that only makes sense if you ignore Trump’s stated preference for people from nations like Norway.

It doesn’t make sense at all. These people’s lives are here now. For example, just because New Zealand is perfectly lovely, that doesn’t mean I want the US government to forcibly move me there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:22:22am

I was wondering how long it would take before his comments would be defended as “straight talk” or “the language of the forgotten people”.

Ever wonder how these people came to be forgotten?

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BeachDem  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:23:13am

re: #225 Sir John Barron

“loony tunes word vomit”

That’s gold, Jerry, GOLD.

Mark Sumner’s description of the interview was pretty good as well:

This is The Iliad of self-delusion. A primal scream of egotism. The Bayeux Tapestry of What. The. Hell. It’s the kind of speech a Ritalin-soaked ferret might deliver … if he fell into a heap of uncut cocaine.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:24:18am

re: #303 sagehen

cough*Gerald Ford*cough

Jerry Ford was the best thing that could have happened to the GOP in the aftermath of Watergate and instead they embraced Reagan. I never would have voted for Ford but he was a good man and ahead of his time in many ways.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:24:24am

re: #301 calochortus

I was a Republican far longer than I should have been for that reason. I gave up when the party endorsed torture. It’s OK if that’s what works for you.

Also there are areas where you have to belong to the GOP to have any say in local politics, and you may live in one of those. I’m not going to dump on your choices.

Well, I turned in a blank ballot in 2016 except for President and village board due to the lock Republicans have on my area.

The issue isn’t “belong to the GOP to stay in local politics” though (as I am in local politics). The party has to run candidates first.

As we’ve seen in places like Alabama, Virginia, and Oklahoma, when we run candidates we can win.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:26:07am

re: #304 Targetpractice

Look at them goalposts move. Trump said nothing about “criminal aliens,” Steve.

Exactly. Of course, to a dipshit like King who has never crawled outside his shithole district (Yeah I’m sorry but I’m going to go there because I’m pissed), every El Salvadorian must belong to MS-13.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:26:15am

re: #309 HappyWarrior

Jerry Ford was the best thing that could have happened to the GOP in the aftermath of Watergate and instead they embraced Reagan. I never would have voted for Ford but he was a good man and ahead of his time in many ways.

He pardoned Nixon and sealed his political fate.

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calochortus  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:26:20am

re: #301 calochortus

I was a Republican far longer than I should have been for that reason. I gave up when the party endorsed torture. It’s OK if that’s what works for you.

Also there are areas where you have to belong to the GOP to have any say in local politics, and you may live in one of those. I’m not going to dump on your choices.

That first paragraph might come off sounding snarky, which wasn’t intended. I’m not saying Steve endorses torture, just that it was my reason for leaving the GOP and giving up on trying to moderate the party.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:26:40am

Have to take a break: My wife just made a bunch of bagels.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:27:06am

re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He pardoned Nixon and sealed his political fate.

Dude I’m aware. I’m strictly talking about Ford as a man. A man who unlike Republicans old enough to be his grandchildren and even great grandchildren respected the right to choose, respected women, and respected LGBT people as his equal.

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calochortus  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:27:29am

re: #310 Anymouse 🌹

And that’s reasonable. I’m just suggesting that these decisions are personal and we shouldn’t be too hard on those who choose differently.

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:27:48am

re: #292 ObserverArt

You can register as a Democrat and still vote for a reasonable Republican.

Not in the primaries.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:27:55am

re: #314 Anymouse 🌹

Yum. Bagels. Enjoy them.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:29:31am

Of course we know why the goalposts are moving. The GOP want to maintain the lie that they don’t hate all immigrants, just “criminal” ones. So now they’ll try to jam words into Trump’s mouth, insisting that he didn’t really mean they’re against all immigrants from “shithole” countries, just the “criminal” ones.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:32:17am

The GOP has been pushing “trickle-down economics” since the XIX Century. That was the central point of William Jennings Bryant’s speech.

The GOP just calls it different things in different years. Hoover’s then Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon pushed what was then the largest tax cut for the wealthy in history, using the same logic (it will create growth and jobs) - instead it created the Great Depression.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:33:11am

The question really is, would all of those people who are staying in the Republican party in hopes of changing it actually do a better job if they left? And I think the answer is this: One or two people won’t make much of a difference if they stay in or go. But I think they’d have more of an impact if they all left. The hard part for so many of them is that they are conservative, and think that Democrats will break things, but are unwilling, because they are conservative, to take a chance that they could fix it after a few years of political realignment.

And my answer to that is this: A new party would draw some of the conservative Democrats to it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:33:13am

re: #320 Anymouse 🌹

The GOP has been pushing “trickle-down economics” since the XIX Century. That was the central point of William Jennings Bryant’s speech.

The GOP just calls it different things in different years. Hoover’s then Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon pushed what was then the largest tax cut for the wealthy in history, using the same logic (it will create growth and jobs) - instead it created the Great Depression.

They didn’t push trickle down in the 50’s under Ike and Ford wasn’t a tax cuts uber alles types. I agree with you, the GOP has more or less been shit since Abe died but it’s had some good Presidents since then too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:33:40am

re: #319 Targetpractice

I am in favor of comprehensive immigration reform, but the whole discussion just gets beaten down to “build a wall!” and “round ‘em all up!”. That is a far cry from what this nation needs or what could be considered just, humane and, well, American.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:34:49am

re: #323 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am in favor of comprehensive immigration reform, but the whole discussion just gets beaten down to “build a wall!” and “round ‘em all up!”. That is a far cry from what this nation needs or what could be considered just, humane and, well, American.

And their fear is that comprehensive immigration reform means not only that minorities will get to stay, but more will get to come in legally.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:35:11am

I guess this is a thing.

A government watchdog is expressing concern over the dangerous misuse of a laundry detergent. In this latest social media fad, teenagers are putting detergent pods in their mouths in what’s being called the “Tide Pod Challenge.”

Ingredients in the pods include ethanol, hydrogen peroxide and polymers - a highly-toxic mix of detergent meant to wipe out dirt and grime. Manufacturers have been concerned about toddlers mistakenly ingesting them, but now teens are popping them on purpose and posting videos of the results online, reports CBS News correspondent Anna Werner.

Nineteen-year-old Marc Pagan, who did it on a dare, told CBS News he knew better but did it anyway.

“A lot of people were just saying how stupid I was or how - why would I be willing to do that,” he said. “No one should be putting anything like that in their mouths, you know?”

Now I have to go out and buy laundry pods. Do you think I could substitute dishwasher tabs?

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:35:36am
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sagehen  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:35:37am

re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He pardoned Nixon and sealed his political fate.

He still would have won, but for a very bad answer to a debate question.

Ford-Carter debate excerpt

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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:35:47am

re: #320 Anymouse 🌹

The GOP has been pushing “trickle-down economics” since the XIX Century. That was the central point of William Jennings Bryant’s speech.

The GOP just calls it different things in different years. Hoover’s then Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon pushed what was then the largest tax cut for the wealthy in history, using the same logic (it will create growth and jobs) - instead it created the Great Depression.

Before the development of economics as a “science”, the trickle-down argument at least had plausibility. Economists have since learned that trickle down is empirically false, regardless of theories why.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:35:52am

re: #324 Belafon

And their fear is that comprehensive immigration reform means not only that minorities will get to stay, but more will get to come in legally.

and other interests fear that a source of cheap, easily exploited labor will dry up

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Mike Lamb  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:36:49am

re: #304 Targetpractice

Look at them goalposts move. Trump said nothing about “criminal aliens,” Steve.

But here’s the thing—there are not other types of “aliens” in Steve King’s mind. If you really pinned him down, he’d say “criminal aliens” is redundant.

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ThomasLite  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:37:08am

re: #305 lawhawk

Anchor babies only applies when the person involved isn’t white or European (Christian preferred).

also, too, maybe not the greatest of arguments when all those kids would’ve been US citizens by ius sanguini alone. But hey, let’s not let inconvenient details stand in the way of a good rant here.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:38:04am

re: #322 HappyWarrior

They didn’t push trickle down in the 50’s under Ike and Ford wasn’t a tax cuts uber alles types. I agree with you, the GOP has more or less been shit since Abe died but it’s had some good Presidents since then too.

Ford didn’t have much of a chance since he was cleaning up the Dumpster fire from Nixon. I do remember his “Whip Inflation Now” campaign slogan that had no plan behind it. Alan Greenspan called Ford’s idea “unbelievably stupid.” Detractors wore his WIN buttons upside-down (NIM, need immediate money).

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:39:34am

This is why you use the library computer when plotting nefarious acts…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:40:12am

re: #328 BlueSpotinAL

Before the development of economics as a “science”, the trickle-down argument at least had plausibility. Economists have since learned that trickle down is empirically false, regardless of theories why.

It might have had some validity in the age of national economies, when there were greater restrictions on the flow of goods and capital.

Now, globalized capital is free to seek the rate of highest ROI, which more often than not , lies in countries that have lax or unenforced/non-existent environmental, health and safety regulations.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:40:19am

re: #332 Anymouse 🌹

Ford didn’t have much of a chance since he was cleaning up the Dumpster fire from Nixon. I do remember his “Whip Inflation Now” campaign slogan that had no plan behind it. Alan Greenspan called Ford’s idea “unbelievably stupid.” Detractors wore his WIN buttons upside-down (NIM, need immediate money).

I know but my point is that Ford and Ike weren’t lunatics that pushed what we today call Reaganomics. Don’t get me wrong. If I’m voting in 1976, I’m voting for the soft spoken Peanut Farmer and if I’m voting in 52/56, I’m voting for Adlai, my Nana loved Adlai.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:40:39am

re: #333 FormerDirtDart

This is why you use the library computer when plotting nefarious acts…

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Ha!

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Sir John Barron  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:40:45am

re: #333 FormerDirtDart

This is why you use the library computer when plotting nefarious acts…

Gotta delete those histories, lady

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:41:19am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:41:44am

re: #337 Sir John Barron

Gotta delete those histories, lady

And delete complete search so instead of “How to kill my husband and get away with it” the cops would find “How to kill my neighbor’s annoying cat and get away with it?” Pfft amateur hour.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:42:53am

re: #339 HappyWarrior

And delete complete search so instead of “How to kill my husband and get away with it” the cops would find “How to kill my neighbor’s annoying cat and get away with it?” Pfft amateur hour.

And make sure you don’t have a Google or Bing account that helps “remember” your searches across devices.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:46:30am

re: #326 FormerDirtDart

I guess the “shithole” comment was too much for him. I don’t blame him resigning one bit.

And resignations are what it will take to fix the GOP, not waiting for the Next True Conservative (tm) who will be called a RINO or forgotten as soon as she or he is done.

Props to Mia Love for condemning Trump’s statement. No props for continuing to support the party and consistently voting for Trump’s agenda (such as it is).

Words are cheap. Actions matter, and so far Rep. Love is still part of the “I got mine” crowd.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:46:41am

re: #333 FormerDirtDart

This is why you use the library computer when plotting nefarious acts…

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Also, clearly, her Google-fu is weak.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:47:19am

re: #337 Sir John Barron

Ooh thanks for reminding me //

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:47:28am
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:48:45am

The President of the United States calls on his “black friend” to deliver a public message honoring MLK

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:48:45am

re: #344 Blind Frog Belly White

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Ever think it’s because people want to come here? Nah, you didn’t Tomi because you want to replace Ann Coulter when Ann Coulter becomes Phyillis Schalfry 2.0.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:49:16am

re: #345 FormerDirtDart

The President of the United States calls on his “black friend” to deliver a public message honoring MLK

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Which you violated Dr. Carson when you signed up to work for this racist piece of shit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:49:16am

Off to Frankfurt for the weekend, hanging with my expat homies.

I split up with my girlfriend/musical partner of four years in October, one buddy just split up with his long-term GF after Xmas, other buddy’s wife has moved to Brussels and left him there alone over holidays…we will be a total studmuffin squad when he hit the streets!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:50:22am

Oh and alot of those countries are “shitholes” because of policies you support Tomi so shove it.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:52:08am

re: #344 Blind Frog Belly White

Patrick Stewart isn’t moving here because England is a shithole.

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MsJ  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:52:35am

re: #348 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Off to Frankfurt for the weekend, hanging with my expat homies.

I split up with my girlfriend/musical partner of four years in October, one buddy just split up with his long-term GF after Xmas, other buddy’s wife has moved to Brussels and left him there alone over holidays…we will be a total studmuffin squad when he hit the streets!!!

Women of Germany…be afraid, be very, very afraid!

/////////

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Weaselone  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:53:40am

re: #344 Blind Frog Belly White

Does alt-right Skipper work and live in the same place she was born?

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:54:23am

re: #348 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Staying Alive (1983) - John Travolta’s walk scene.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:55:07am

re: #344 Blind Frog Belly White

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It’s an article of wingnut faith that people want to move to the US because we’re just so awesome in comparison to the countries they came from. It helps them mentally white out all the problems in this country by saying that if we’re so horrible, why do people want to come here?

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:58:00am

re: #294 HappyWarrior

He lives in a closed primary state.

He said vote, so I took that as an actual election.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:58:39am

re: #355 ObserverArt

He said vote, so I took that as an actual election.

Oh, well he was talkin gabout the primaries. FWIW I agree with oyu. Why stay with the GOP when they have shown no desire for self improvement.

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:58:40am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:59:44am

re: #357 Ace-o-aces

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Easy, she was willing to marry someone like him.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:00:55am

Going to be scarce for a few more days. We mismanaged a “flu-like illness” and Wife is in the hospital sucking IVs to get a blood pressure.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:01:16am

re: #357 Ace-o-aces

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She had the looks to be a rich man’s arm candy. With the understanding that the moment her looks go, she goes with them.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:03:13am

re: #360 Targetpractice

She had the looks to be a rich man’s arm candy. With the understanding that the moment her looks go, she goes with them.

She got one patch, which I personally think made her look worse.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:03:27am

re: #344 Blind Frog Belly White

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BeachDem  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:05:10am

re: #359 Decatur Deb

Going to be scarce for a few more days. We mismanaged a “flu-like illness” and Wife is in the hospital sucking IVs to get a blood pressure.

Take care, DD, and send good wishes to the Wife. (Keep us posted when you have a minute.)

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scottslemmons  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:05:16am

As far as I know, I have almost no Blue Checkmarks following me, because I’m boring and mostly retweet stuff. But I had one follow me this morning, and I mute/blocked him immediately. Because I do not trust the motives of the Mooch.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:08:05am

re: #359 Decatur Deb

Going to be scarce for a few more days. We mismanaged a “flu-like illness” and Wife is in the hospital sucking IVs to get a blood pressure.

Oh no, may your better half recover quickly.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:08:12am

re: #363 BeachDem

Take care, DD, and send good wishes to the Wife. (Keep us posted when you have a minute.)

I’m on break at home. She is re-inflating nicely, but shrunken veins are slowing it down. Both hospitals in our town are totally slammed—like 110% of capacity. Good news—no IV bag shortage in evidence.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:09:35am

re: #358 HappyWarrior

Easy, she was willing to marry someone like him.

Doing a job Americans just won’t do.

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darthstar  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:10:26am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:10:33am

re: #359 Decatur Deb

Going to be scarce for a few more days. We mismanaged a “flu-like illness” and Wife is in the hospital sucking IVs to get a blood pressure.

I hope your wife recovers quickly.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:12:04am

Photo of the Day.

Photo of the Day
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:12:19am
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calochortus  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:12:52am

re: #371 FormerDirtDart

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Snowing in the East Room, is it?
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:13:58am

re: #371 FormerDirtDart

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Severe thunderstorms predicted this afternoon for the Brady Room, with temperatures near freezing. Tonight, snow likely. Now back to you , John, for the sports update.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:14:00am

re: #357 Ace-o-aces

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:14:11am

re: #371 FormerDirtDart

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Pussy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:15:39am

Yum, delicious bagels gone.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:15:56am

Wrastlers doing wrastling, I have few words

thesun.co.uk

I think he is a fan/Trump voter

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:16:03am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

Pussy.

He’s neither warm nor deep, so I’d say nope.

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:16:39am

re: #372 calochortus

Snowing in the East Room, is it?
/

nah, it’s the shitstorm.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:17:32am
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sagehen  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:20:17am
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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:20:49am

“So I took the job offer and moved here…”

“Because our small town is better than that big city, right?”

“Well no, access to utilities is shit, I have no broadband cable access, the nearest mall is half an hour away by car, the education opportunities are few, and most of the convenience of a major city is not here.”

“Well then why did you move out here?”

“I just told you, because I got a job offer.”

“Ain’t no job good enough to move to a place worse than where you was. So either our small town is better than that big city or that job ain’t as good as you thought it was.”

The wingnut mindset in a nutshell.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:22:26am

Doctor: The President is suffering from Stage IV covfefe.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:24:54am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:26:16am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:26:47am

re: #384 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump spent last night phoning allies and friends, asking them how they thought the “shithole” remark was playing out in the press. One White House official referred to it as a “victory lap.”

— Kaitlan Collins

Why is Obama always spiking the football?

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calochortus  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:27:24am

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I think it’s Trump’s statements that make the country look bad, rather than the fact someone reports them.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:27:37am

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

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From the network that spent countless hours last year pouring over the contents of private emails stolen from the DNC server.

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MsJ  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:28:21am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

Pussy.

Grabber.

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wrenchwench  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:28:35am

re: #384 Backwoods_Sleuth

[One White House official referred to it as a “victory lap.”]

‘Cool! What did we win?’

‘Look in the hole.’

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:28:37am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Man if I stick my dick in this sticker bush, it will infuriate the libs!

If that was a euphemism for something, keep it away from me.

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The Major  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:28:56am

re: #333 FormerDirtDart

Or learn how to use a VPN + Tor…

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:28:57am
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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:29:29am

re: #387 calochortus

I think it’s Trump’s statements that make the country look bad, rather than the fact someone reports them.

What they’re really getting around to is screaming that the Democrats at the meeting had an obligation to keep quiet about Trump’s outbursts because it was a “private” meeting and they’ve somehow violated an unspoken agreement to keep his insane rants hushed up.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:30:39am

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh shut the fuck up already you pathetic FNC hack. What’s that saying? Character is what you are when you think people aren’t watching.

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MsJ  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:30:48am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:31:09am

Never happen.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:31:42am

re: #393 sagehen

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You know, I may disagree with Rick on most of the issues but at least he believes in an America for all.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:32:05am

re: #397 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Never happen.

It’s time FNC just formally announce that they’re a stalking horse for the WH and nothing else.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:36:21am

Fix Or Repair Daily
Fracking Out Right Dangerous

Ford is telling owners of about 2,900 Ranger small pickup trucks not to drive them after finding out that an exploding Takata air bag inflator killed a driver in West Virginia.

Steve Mollohan, 56, of the Hedgesville, w.va., area died July 1 in nearby Martinsburg, about 80 miles northeast of Washington, D.C.

latimes.com

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dangerman  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:36:45am

the lord is my shepherd’s pie
i shall not want it until dinner

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:37:16am

re: #400 Shropshire Slasher

It happens. My Honda Accord had the same kind of killer air-bag in it.

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danarchy  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:37:36am

I don’t know about the other news channels, but cnn seems to be reveling in saying the word shithole over and over again.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:37:41am

re: #396 MsJ

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That’s why he’ll end up setting another record before he leaves office of taking fewer international trips than any other modern president. His ego is so fragile that he can’t travel anywhere unless he knows that he’ll have adoring fans waiting for him.

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Renaissance_Man  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:38:58am

re: #399 HappyWarrior

It’s time FNC just formally announce that they’re a stalking horse for the WH and nothing else.

Well, it’s actually the reverse. The White House is the political action centre for FOX. It’s become quite apparent that the actual president of the US is whoever took over for Ailes.

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Citizen K  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:39:32am

re: #400 Shropshire Slasher

re: #402 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Yeah, I remember those cases, it’s more about the airbag manufacturer than the car makers themselves.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:40:32am

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah I can see a cause for concern with not wanting the details of conversations leaked when issues are being discussed, possible legislation negotiated, if for no other reason than the desire to keep negotiating partners on somewhat good terms and to maintain trust, etc. Although the disclosures themselves can be a bargaining tactic. But it does violate a norm of sorts, and we’ve lost lots of norms in the past few years, especially the past year.

But yeah, we had 45 calling for Russians to hack Hillary’s emails, campaigning on the Wikileak hacks of the DNC, James O’Keefe with his various deceitful scams based on disclosing private discussions, etc. And of course we have 45 himself violating nearly every civilized norm.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:41:47am

re: #404 Targetpractice

That’s why he’ll end up setting another record before he leaves office of taking fewer international trips than any other modern president. His ego is so fragile that he can’t travel anywhere unless he knows that he’ll have adoring fans waiting for him.

Time for another trip to Saudi Arabia

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Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:42:10am

Sanity Comedy break

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Sea Mexican!  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:42:27am

re: #243 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

You want to know who I think was the last true conservative? I am serious btw
(I was gonna put it behind a tag but the last time I did I shrunk the whole thread)

Barack Obama

You and half the world.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:43:38am

re: #410 Sea Mexican!

You and half the world.

It’s not surprising that some of Obama’s biggest allies were actually fairly conservative i.e. Merkel.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:44:06am

My wife just got a very long response to an E-mail to Senator Ben Sasse (R-NE). She asked that Senator Sasse continue to support the investigation into Russian meddling in our elections.

Senator Sasse responded saying he strongly supports the efforts of our intelligence services and Robert Mueller’s investigation to find out what happened, but cautions people against looking at these issued through a partisan lens of whether they voted for Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:44:43am

re: #412 Anymouse 🌹

My wife just got a very long response to an E-mail to Senator Ben Sasse (R-NE). She asked that Senator Sasse continue to support the investigation into Russian meddling in our elections.

Senator Sasse responded saying he strongly supports the efforts of our intelligence services and Robert Mueller’s investigation to find out what happened, but cautions people against looking at these issued through a partisan lens of whether they voted for Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump.

In short, a politician’s answer.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:45:25am

re: #399 HappyWarrior

It’s time FNC just formally announce that they’re a stalking horse for the WH and nothing else.

“Look, when a Democrat is president, we are all about holding our government “accountable” and making sure citizens aren’t afraid of their government but that government is afraid of its citizens. And if we have to call for revolution and the nullification of election results we don’t like, we’ll to it, OK? But when a Republican is president we’re all about making sure he is “respected” and that opponents shut up their criticism or move out if you don’t like America, ok?”

///

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:46:07am

re: #414 Sir John Barron

“Look, when a Democrat is president, we are all about holding our government “accountable” and making sure citizens aren’t afraid of their government but that government is afraid of its citizens. And if we have to call for revolution and the nullification of election results we don’t like, we’ll to it, OK? But when a Republican is president we’re all about making sure he is “respected” and that opponents shut up their criticism or move out if you don’t like America, ok?”

///

That pretty much is FNC to a tee.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:46:37am

re: #400 Shropshire Slasher

Fix Or Repair Daily
Fracking Out Right Dangerous

latimes.com

Considering the airbag, are you going to use FORD as the name of some of the Asian car companies?

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:48:04am

re: #359 Decatur Deb

Going to be scarce for a few more days. We mismanaged a “flu-like illness” and Wife is in the hospital sucking IVs to get a blood pressure.

Take good care of her and yourself Deb. Alabama and the surrounding area states need you.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:48:17am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

In short, a politician’s answer.

Well, at least Senator Sasse responds to my wife. I don’t get responses from his office.

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darthstar  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:48:24am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:50:14am

re: #418 Anymouse 🌹

Well, at least Senator Sasse responds to my wife. I don’t get responses from his office.

True. Better than your asshole Rep.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:50:43am

re: #419 darthstar

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Lol.

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MsJ  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:51:48am

re: #400 Shropshire Slasher

Fix Or Repair Daily
Fracking Out Right Dangerous

latimes.com

The one I always heard was “Found On Road Dead” which is a little too apropos.

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Weaselone  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:54:27am

re: #381 sagehen

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Crap. Let me go look at the skies for blood moons and black suns. That actually counts as real journalism, doesn’t it?

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:54:35am

re: #422 MsJ

One of my co-workers likes F*ed Out Raw Deal. Now considering that my grandfather (dad’s side) worked for them I just prefer FORD.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:56:09am

Ready for something mindblowing: the stable genius tweet was only 6 days ago. Trump’s hour-by-hour idiocy has successfully buried it.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:57:45am

re: #422 MsJ

The one I always heard was “Found On Road Dead” which is a little too apropos.

As a native Detroiter, the MOPAR devotees preferred the “found on road dead” back in the day.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:58:16am

re: #419 darthstar

“Was my shithole remark the greatest or what”

“Well actually….”

“How about we go with that I really didn’t say it?”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:58:48am

foreignaffairs.com

The Myth of a Limited Strike on North Korea

It is unlikely, however, that a strike would work as planned. It would have no guarantee of successfully destroying North Korean capabilities, and Kim may well feel compelled to respond to even a limited attack. Any strike would thus risk igniting a full-blown war on the Korean Peninsula that would endanger millions of lives and ultimately diminish U.S. power and influence in the Asia-Pacific.

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darthstar  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:58:53am

Friday pics:

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electrotek  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:58:56am

Wonder what will top this tomorrow, and the next day, and the hereafter.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:59:48am

re: #430 electrotek

Wonder what will top this tomorrow, and the next day, and the hereafter.

Dunno. But it will happen.

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:59:57am

re: #399 HappyWarrior

It’s time FNC just formally announce that they’re a stalking horse for the WH and nothing else.

I’m trying to think of what they could possibly find so terrible about Trump they could offer no excuse for him.

I got nothing.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:00:29am

re: #430 electrotek

There appears to be no bottom limit.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:01:13am

re: #432 ObserverArt

I’m trying to think of what they could possibly find so terrible about Trump they could offer no excuse for him.

I got nothing.

I know right? Maybe dissing Reagan but Trump has become their new Reagan.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:01:19am

re: #366 Decatur Deb

The IV bag shortage was just the little ones to mix antibiotics and chemo stuff.
Don’t take for granted the staff can handle everything. They may be overloaded. Keep your wife turned every two hours. (We’re supposed to do it that we but sometimes we just can’t keep up). Watch for fluid overload - make sure she keeps urinating. Make sure staff listens to her lungs more than once a day. If you think of it ask dr to order daily weights.
A lot of people get gratuitous advice but if there is a surge in patients at your hospital the staffing may not catch up.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:01:23am

re: #428 Anymouse 🌹

foreignaffairs.com

The Myth of a Limited Strike on North Korea

Feature not bug for Trump’s handlers.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:02:00am

re: #432 ObserverArt

I’m trying to think of what they could possibly find so terrible about Trump they could offer no excuse for him.

I got nothing.

If he did something to help the poor or minorities, they might turn on him, but it’s unlikely he’d do that, unless we can get decent people whispering in his ear.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:03:16am

re: #359 Decatur Deb

I will pray for you and your family. I hope everything works out for you.

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MsJ  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:03:39am

re: #426 Dr. Matt

As a native Detroiter, the MOPAR devotees preferred the “found on road dead” back in the day.

A fellow MOPAR fiend (I had a ‘68 GTX, ‘69 GTX, ‘72 Satellite Sebring Plus, ‘74 Duster amongst others) maybe it *was* a MOPAR thing.

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:06:22am

re: #412 Anymouse 🌹

My wife just got a very long response to an E-mail to Senator Ben Sasse (R-NE). She asked that Senator Sasse continue to support the investigation into Russian meddling in our elections.

Senator Sasse responded saying he strongly supports the efforts of our intelligence services and Robert Mueller’s investigation to find out what happened, but cautions people against looking at these issued through a partisan lens of whether they voted for Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump.

You can’t spell Ben Sasse without an ass being involved.

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:07:25am

re: #416 Belafon

Considering the airbag, are you going to use FORD as the name of some of the Asian car companies?

Forget it Jake…it’s The Slasher.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:10:37am

The Alt-Right mourning one of the heroes.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:11:18am

re: #428 Anymouse 🌹

foreignaffairs.com

The Myth of a Limited Strike on North Korea

The White House (of course) thinks it would be a win-win for them. Either the strike goes without NK response and so we look “strong” or Kim responds and thus we make up a lot of BS about how we’re acting in our “defense” as millions of South Koreans die.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:14:20am

re: #440 ObserverArt

but cautions people against looking at these issued through a partisan lens of whether they voted for Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump.

Because Russia hacked Democrats and Republicans oh wait no they didn’t.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:14:24am

“unfortunate” and “unhelpful”….oh yeah, that’s telling him!

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Sir John Barron  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:15:16am

re: #445 Backwoods_Sleuth

“unfortunate” and “unhelpful”….oh yeah, that’s telling him!

Ryan knows not to anger his shithole’s party’s shithole’s base.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:15:18am
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darthstar  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:15:33am
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Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:16:27am

re: #447 Backwoods_Sleuth

Translation: No denials. It happened.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:17:36am

re: #444 Sir John Barron

Because Russia hacked Democrats and Republicans oh wait no they didn’t.

Yes they did. They released the Democrats emails, and kept the Republican ones, presumably to blackmail them.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:17:37am

re: #432 ObserverArt

I’m trying to think of what they could possibly find so terrible about Trump they could offer no excuse for him.

I got nothing.

If he compromised with Democrats.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:20:41am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:21:50am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:22:49am

re: #453 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Two of the biggest xenophobes in the Senate and proponents of reducing LEGAL immigration.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:23:24am

re: #453 Backwoods_Sleuth

Selective memory or the onset of dementia?

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:23:38am

re: #453 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“I don’t recall,” the mating call of the Yellow-Bellied Partisan Hack.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:23:46am

re: #453 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:25:45am

re: #446 Sir John Barron

Ryan knows not to anger his shithole’s party’s shithole’s base.

Ryan doesn’t realize how small this makes him look.

Why, it is almost looks like he is smaller because he is standing in a shithole.

And he is sinking in it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:26:21am

MrBWS is on a 16-hour hold (since 7 am) for this storm, so I’m guessing I won’t see him for at least another week.

I am not happy.

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:27:23am

re: #451 Sir John Barron

If he compromised with Democrats.

That’s crazy talk!

I didn’t think of it because it is out of the realm of possibility.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:28:56am

re: #459 Backwoods_Sleuth

I understand. Philly is being rained on.
forecast.weather.gov

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MsJ  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:29:26am
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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:29:45am

re: #453 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Tom Cotton. Big tough ass military man.

Reality: Wimp.

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Kragar  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:30:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:30:25am

re: #461 PhillyPretzel

I understand. Philly is being rained on.
forecast.weather.gov

Raining here in TheBackwoods. Temp is 35F, going down to 17 tonight. Hard to believe that it was 57F just three hours ago.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:30:33am

re: #463 ObserverArt

Tom Cotton. Big tough ass military man.

Reality: Wimp.

Yep. Coward just like Missouri’s former SEAL governor who blackmailed his mistress.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:30:46am

re: #464 Kragar

Pot meet kettle.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:31:19am

re: #464 Kragar

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And not the guy who said it? Sigh these fucking hacks.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:32:06am

re: #465 Backwoods_Sleuth

Temps will be bottoming out tomorrow. Brr.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:32:45am
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Kragar  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:33:11am
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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:33:35am

re: #459 Backwoods_Sleuth

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MrBWS is on a 16-hour hold (since 7 am) for this storm, so I’m guessing I won’t see him for at least another week.

I am not happy.

I’m hoping Columbus will not need him.

I think we are about two hours from the transition. I just want to skip past the ice. I can deal with snow.

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Kragar  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:33:41am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:33:45am

re: #469 PhillyPretzel

Temps will be bottoming out tomorrow. Brr.

yeppers. Tomorrow’s forecast is 20/4. And the following days aren’t much better.

yuck

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:33:50am

I just received a phishing scam alleging to be Microsoft from a DeKalb County, Ga. government address.

Finding out how to report to Microsoft is like looking for a needle in the desert.

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Renaissance_Man  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:33:54am

re: #460 ObserverArt

That’s crazy talk!

I didn’t think of it because it is out of the realm of possibility.

It’s actually quite possible. Trump, as a person, has no particular principles or desires other than the need for praise. As we’ve seen, he agrees with whoever is flattering him at the time. If, somehow, he were isolated from his advisers, and Democrats flattered him and allowed him some means of indulging his cruelty on someone, he would unhesitatingly go along with everything they told him to do or sign. He would also have to be isolated away from FOX in order to begin deprogramming, just like any other member of the cult.

He is in many ways the perfect puppet regime leader, as long as you are willing to live with the consequences of flattering an evil, self-absorbed man-baby who has to have a helpless target or two to vent cruelty on.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:34:40am

Darth still here? Im trying to remember your nic for Sur la Table!!!! I know it was funny, but I forgot!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:34:42am

re: #470 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A) It was given coverage and B) he was a candidate not even a nominee let alone president. C) He was right

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:35:03am

re: #475 Anymouse 🌹

I just received a phishing scam alleging to be Microsoft from a DeKalb County, Ga. government address.

Finding out how to report to Microsoft is like looking for a needle in the desert.

You can also forward them to the FBI.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:35:43am

re: #471 Kragar

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I believe that.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:36:16am

re: #475 Anymouse 🌹

Email or letter or phone call?

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:36:46am

re: #429 darthstar

Friday pics:

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They found dinner for you!! Good dog.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:37:37am

Wingnuts again pulling the same shit they did with the Access Hollywood tape, making the outrage not about the contents of the conversation but about the “naughty word” that was spoken.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:37:53am

re: #478 HappyWarrior

A) It was given coverage and B) he was a candidate not even a nominee let alone president. C) He was right

D) and the outraged wingnuts are still outraged about it, bringing up at every opportunity.

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jaunte  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:38:22am

re: #462 MsJ

Getting tired of these lying assholes pretending they care anything about “protecting the American worker.”

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electrotek  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:39:49am

re: #464 Kragar

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Pretty rich coming from someone who was a MTV reality star in the mid-90s.

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:40:13am

re: #476 Renaissance_Man

It’s actually quite possible. Trump, as a person, has no particular principles or desires other than the need for praise. As we’ve seen, he agrees with whoever is flattering him at the time. If, somehow, he were isolated from his advisers, and Democrats flattered him and allowed him some means of indulging his cruelty on someone, he would unhesitatingly go along with everything they told him to do or sign. He would also have to be isolated away from FOX in order to begin deprogramming, just like any other member of the cult.

He is in many ways the perfect puppet regime leader, as long as you are willing to live with the consequences of flattering an evil, self-absorbed man-baby who has to have a helpless target or two to vent cruelty on.

And Steve the Nurse from Philly down-dinged me for it.

Whatever. Seems rather strange since it was just a joke.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:40:21am

re: #485 jaunte

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Getting tired of these lying assholes pretending they care anything about “protecting the American worker.”

What they care about is the same thing that Trump cares about: That there’s too many of “those people” being allowed to immigrate here.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:42:39am

re: #485 jaunte

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Getting tired of these lying assholes pretending they care anything about “protecting the American worker.”

Faux populism.

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jaunte  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:42:49am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:43:57am

re: #479 Belafon

You can also forward them to the FBI.

I did that, as well as to the Webmaster of the DeKalb County, Georgia Website.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:44:02am

Perhaps Cotton and Perdue need to speak with Graham

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:44:17am

re: #196 HappyWarrior

I usually see the Greatest Generation defined as beginning around 1920ish. Those people would be too young to vote for FDR. I’d say basically anyone born after WWI and who coming of age in the Depression. That said, I’m seeing a definition now that has it as early as 1900. I don’t know. My dad’s parents were born in 1912/13 and Mom’s were 27/29 and I always saw my Dad’s parents as being a different generation than Mom’s since Dad’s parents were married with kids in fact as Mom’s parents were still in elementary school.

I always thought of the Greatest Generation as those who lived through the Great Depression and who fought in WWII. They may include those born in the 1920’s as well as those born late in the 19th century. Technically they may not have all been born in the same generation but they all endured terrors that we have never faced. But that doesn’t mean that they weren’t racist and/or misogynist.

As a Baby Boomer, my generation faced the Viet Nam War, but that wasn’t the existential crisis that my parents confronted.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:44:38am

!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:46:39am

re: #494 Backwoods_Sleuth

!!!

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Nice party.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:46:45am

re: #494 Backwoods_Sleuth

!!!

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He can’t decimate all of them, by definition he can only decimate one in ten.

There, that fulfills my language pedantry quota for the year.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:46:46am

re: #494 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oy Vey. Here we go with that sh*t again. ::: rolling eyes :::

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:47:38am

“Imbalance” is the usual code word among wingnuts for “Too many brown people, not enough white people” that crops up at the heart of every “issue” they have with immigration. And if you ask them what a proper “balance” looks like, they mumble stuff about “merit” and “America’s needs” when really what they mean is they want immigration exclusively from white-majority countries.

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jaunte  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:48:09am

re: #496 goddamnedfrank

“Everyone gets a decimation!”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:48:46am

re: #493 Hecuba’s daughter

I always thought of the Greatest Generation as those who lived through the Great Depression and who fought in WWII. They may include those born in the 1920’s as well as those born late in the 19th century. Technically they may not have all been born in the same generation but they all endured terrors that we have never faced. But that doesn’t mean that they weren’t racist and/or misogynist.

As a Baby Boomer, my generation faced the Viet Nam War, but that wasn’t the existential crisis that my parents confronted.

My grandparents were of the Greatest Generation cohort (the name specifically for those old enough to fight in WW2). My mother and father are of the Silent Generation (those born during the Great Depression and too young to fight in WW2).

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sagehen  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:50:22am

re: #493 Hecuba’s daughter

I always thought of the Greatest Generation as those who lived through the Great Depression and who fought in WWII. They may include those born in the 1920’s as well as those born late in the 19th century. Technically they may not have all been born in the same generation but they all endured terrors that we have never faced. But that doesn’t mean that they weren’t racist and/or misogynist.

What made the generation great is that it was the whole generation doing the heavy lifting.

Unit for unit, soldier for soldier, our troops today are every bit their equal. But our soldiers today are a self-selected 1%; our soldiers in WWII was every able-bodied man 18-34. All of them. Plus a bunch of woman, and not-so-able-bodied, and under-18’s and over-34’s.

Plus everything happening on the home front — the manufacturing, the recycling, the vegetable gardens, whatever it took.

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MsJ  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:50:25am

re: #493 Hecuba’s daughter

That was my understanding, as well.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:51:39am

So by logic presented here up the thread, people in Wisc. 1 should register as Republicans so they can vote in the primary and oust Paul Ryan, then hope like hell that Iron Stache wins.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:51:46am

re: #496 goddamnedfrank

He can’t decimate all of them, by definition he can only decimate one in ten.

There, that fulfills my language pedantry quota for the year.

Guess what, the word’s evolved since the 1600s:

1 : to select by lot and kill every tenth man of *decimate a regiment

2 : to exact a tax of 10 percent from *poor as a decimated Cavalier
—John Dryden

3 a : to reduce drastically especially in number *cholera decimated the population
*Kamieniecki’s return comes at a crucial time for a pitching staff that has been decimated by injuries.
—Jason Diamos

b : to cause great destruction or harm to *firebombs decimated the city
*an industry decimated by recession

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:52:26am
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:52:30am
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wrenchwench  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:52:34am

re: #496 goddamnedfrank

He can’t decimate all of them, by definition he can only decimate one in ten.

There, that fulfills my language pedantry quota for the year.

I’m starting to think you and Mr. w are related. That’s one of his favorite pedantry bits.

How’s your cast iron?

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:53:28am

re: #498 Targetpractice

“Imbalance” is the usual code word among wingnuts for “Too many brown people, not enough white people” that crops up at the heart of every “issue” they have with immigration. And if you ask them what a proper “balance” looks like, they mumble stuff about “merit” and “America’s needs” when really what they mean is they want immigration exclusively from white-majority countries.

“Well, 43% of all Nigerians have college degrees, versus 33% of Americans. I think, on merit, we need to allow more Nigerians in until our number climbs to 38%.”

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:54:50am

re: #507 wrenchwench

I’m starting to think you and Mr. w are related. That’s one of his favorite pedantry bits.

How’s your cast iron?

I haven’t picked up anything new for about a year. Saw another one of those crazy huge Grizwald 00 waffle irons on eBay a few months back though.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:55:33am

re: #462 MsJ

Cotton and Perdue did not want to lie outright — so they pulled the Jeff Sessions stunt of pretending they didn’t recall hearing the statement.

Presidents throughout my life used colorful language when they were speaking privately; Trump’s sin was not in the language (erroneous in many cases) he used to describe these countries, but in the fact that he wanted to deny fugitives from these regimes a home in this country.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:55:46am

re: #443 Targetpractice

The White House (of course) thinks it would be a win-win for them. Either the strike goes without NK response and so we look “strong” or Kim responds and thus we make up a lot of BS about how we’re acting in our “defense” as millions of South Koreans die.

This shit is why I paged Ellsbergs book. It’s full of where this nonsense comes from, and the pushback from (sometimes) more sensible generals and or realistic SecDef or SecState.

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jaunte  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:55:51am
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Kragar  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:57:09am
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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:58:20am

So have the NYT crowd gotten around to arguing that Trump looks so awesome to his base for using “shitholes” because the dipshits living in Bumfuck, Pennsylvania use that kinda talk every day?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:59:18am

I know, RWNJ “Christianity”.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:59:58am

re: #513 Kragar

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Makes Perdue and Cotton’s “not recalling” all the more pathetic.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:01:20am

re: #500 Anymouse 🌹

I think I am considered a baby boomer, I was born in 1960. I’m at the very end of that era though. I think the biggest advantage I had growing up when and where I did was that I got an excellent K-12 public education. With Civics, American History, State, Local and Federal Government classes all required for HS graduation and we had to begin taking foreign language classes in Jr. High School. My siblings are 5 and 10 yrs younger than I am and by the time they were out of elementary school, the State of Ohio decided these things weren’t important anymore (my siblings didn’t have those same requirements). We had shop classes, a whole building devoted to science on our school campus, and a huge amount of choices for elective classes. I graduated in 1978.

I don’t look down on the younger generations because it’s not the same world it was when I was the same age. I left high school and went straight to working a second job because I was on my own at 17. I was able to survive, had an apartment, money to pay bills and eventually a crappy car. I look at my son, and there is no way he can survive on the 12 bucks an hour he makes right now. He’s 23. And that’s why he’s still living at home, not because he’s lazy(except the stuff I ask him to do, lol). Each generation has its own shit to deal with, some had it better than others but I think it’s a mistake to think anyone (besides people with wealth handed to them) has it”easy”. YMMV of course.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:03:37am

re: #517 A Mom Anon

Do we share the same birthday perhaps? (Born in the same year.)

519
A Mom Anon  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:04:20am

re: #518 Anymouse 🌹

Early May…….the second to be exact.

520
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:04:38am

Not really a bad guy, but he has the right look.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:06:29am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:06:40am
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wrenchwench  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:06:40am

re: #519 A Mom Anon

Early May…….the second to be exact.

My next-younger brother was born a week later. Mom got the date wrong until he started kindergarten and she had to pull out the birth certificate.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:06:51am

This guy

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:07:41am

re: #524 DodgerFan1988

This guy

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Dude you live in a sanctuary city. Shut your fat face.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:07:49am

re: #517 A Mom Anon

I was born in 1962 and by the time I graduated high school Latin was declared by the Philadelphia School District to be useless. In History class we never got past WWI. It was going down hill before I graduated in 1980 and still continues down hill today.

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MsJ  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:07:52am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:08:36am

re: #522 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Good question.

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VegasGolfer  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:10:02am

re: #524 DodgerFan1988

This guy

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I thought that shithead was quitting the twitters.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:10:11am

re: #521 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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“We don’t recall President Trump calling those countries ‘shitholes,’ but we totally recall the sentiments he was trying to express and agree with them.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:11:18am

re: #524 DodgerFan1988

This guy

James Woods

@RealJamesWoods
And every “sanctuary city” will devolve into a 💩hole city. Democrats destroy everything they touch. It’s a guarantee…

James Woods

@RealJamesWoods
Don’t call them “sanctuary cities.” Call them the “shitholes” they are and be done with it. #FactsAreFriendly
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Unlike Trump, James Woods has a verified high IQ. Once again, he is the poster child to illustrate that IQ doesn’t measure historical knowledge, understanding, morality, compassion, ethics or decency.

532
jaunte  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:11:42am

re: #529 VegasGolfer

I thought that shithead was quitting the twitters.

And go back to being nobody?

533
Dave In Austin  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:12:17am

re: #506 goddamnedfrank

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Rick “FishMonger” Wilson

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:12:19am

re: #520 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Wait - so his ‘religious adviser’, who almost certainly calls him/herself ‘Christian’, says Trump was right to ask why we let in so many people from ‘shithole’ countries, and why not more from white Aryan Nordic developed countries?

Yet another “Christian” who doesn’t know Christ.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:12:22am

re: #517 A Mom Anon

My schooling was a bit different because we moved around Michigan quite a bit. In the school I went to the longest, there was an ag class, woodshop, metal shop, auto shop, and home economics (the last a required course for everyone).

Foreign language wasn’t a requirement (but I got that as an exchange student to Brazil, paid for by a fortuitous win by my mother of the Michigan Lottery).

As a senior when I returned from Brazil, my new school required Government (civics), and I had to make up American History (I was the only senior in the class who hadn’t failed it the year before). My school thought my World History class was interesting from Brazil because they didn’t offer it, and gave me credit for my second-year (native speaker) high school Portuguese (the only C grade I ever got in high school and I was damn proud of that C).

536
Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:12:29am

re: #522 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Jennifer, maybe you and some others can get together and start a new party. You’ll just have to come up with a good patriotic name.

537
HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:12:30am

re: #531 Hecuba’s daughter

Unlike Trump, James Woods has a verified high IQ. Once again, he is the poster child to illustrate that IQ doesn’t measure historical knowledge, understanding, morality, compassion, ethics or decency.

He’s a decent actor but one of the biggest assholes out there.

538
Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:13:18am

re: #534 Blind Frog Belly White

Wait - so his ‘religious adviser’, who almost certainly calls him/herself ‘Christian’, says Trump was right to ask why we let in so many people from ‘shithole’ countries, and why not more from white Aryan Nordic developed countries?

Yet another “Christian” who doesn’t know Christ.

Jesus was white and spoke English. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. //

539
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:13:27am
540
A Mom Anon  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:13:29am

re: #526 PhillyPretzel

I had to have Latin and pass it before I could take any other of the required language classes once I got to high school. In other words I couldn’t be moved forward to 9th grade without it. I loved it though, since I loved botany and zoology that Latin came in handy. It’s just so weird to me that people won’t see how important investment in public education is.

Of course the schools I went to were in white suburban Columbus, Ohio, and I doubt that same level of education existed on the other side of town.

541
HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:14:17am

I see wingnuts talk about immigrants worse than I’d talk about animals.

542
Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:14:17am

re: #506 goddamnedfrank

The reaction shots in that whole segment were priceless. There’s a scene where the Trumpkin says something and Wilson’s jaw drops and he literally gapes in astonishment, and then there’s Charles Blow’s reaction to Wilson’s ‘gut you like a fish’ comment.

543
Dr Lizardo  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:14:58am

re: #520 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

What? Now I’m glad I never saw Childhood’s End because my image of the Overlords comes straight from the Barlowe’s Guide to Extraterrestrials, and it’s a helluva lot cooler-looking than that critter.

544
Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:15:19am

re: #537 HappyWarrior

He’s a decent actor but one of the biggest assholes out there.

But since he always plays assholes, how much of an actor does he have to be? Woods is not one of those actors who disappears into a role.

545
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:15:27am

re: #536 Belafon

Jennifer, maybe you and some others can get together and start a new party. You’ll just have to come up with a good patriotic name.

That’s what’s being discussed in the replies to that Tweet.

546
ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:15:28am

re: #517 A Mom Anon

I think I am considered a baby boomer, I was born in 1960. I’m at the very end of that era though. I think the biggest advantage I had growing up when and where I did was that I got an excellent K-12 public education. With Civics, American History, State, Local and Federal Government classes all required for HS graduation and we had to begin taking foreign language classes in Jr. High School. My siblings are 5 and 10 yrs younger than I am and by the time they were out of elementary school, the State of Ohio decided these things weren’t important anymore (my siblings didn’t have those same requirements). We had shop classes, a whole building devoted to science on our school campus, and a huge amount of choices for elective classes. I graduated in 1978.

I don’t look down on the younger generations because it’s not the same world it was when I was the same age. I left high school and went straight to working a second job because I was on my own at 17. I was able to survive, had an apartment, money to pay bills and eventually a crappy car. I look at my son, and there is no way he can survive on the 12 bucks an hour he makes right now. He’s 23. And that’s why he’s still living at home, not because he’s lazy(except the stuff I ask him to do, lol). Each generation has its own shit to deal with, some had it better than others but I think it’s a mistake to think anyone (besides people with wealth handed to them) has it”easy”. YMMV of course.

It wasn’t just the state of Ohio Mom. Those changes in the classic old liberal education happened all across the nation.

I had a good friend now passed who was studied in mental health and education. From the Reagan times on he was sure it was a plot to dumb down the country to ready it for the service economy that was coming.

He felt that not only did it make for good worker-bots that wouldn’t question anything because they didn’t know what to question, it also created ideal Republican party members.

And we discussed many times how America would become fascist in due time.

I can only think of how distraught he would be if still living. Much of our fears we always debated and discussed have come true.

The fact his wife is now more or less trapped on the island of Vieques (Puerto Rico) and abandoned by Trump, a president he was worried would be in our future, makes me glad I can say he rests in peace now. He isn’t seeing the mess he knew was coming.

And now I am tearing up. He was a dear friend. Damn.

547
HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:16:21am

re: #544 Blind Frog Belly White

But since he always plays assholes, how much of an actor does he have to be? Woods is not one of those actors who disappears into a role.

That’s true.

548
VegasGolfer  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:16:38am

re: #532 jaunte

And go back to being nobody?

I will always remember him in this scene getting his ass kicked

Casino (7/10) Movie CLIP - Lester Diamond (1995) HD

549
MsJ  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:17:48am

re: #544 Blind Frog Belly White

But since he always plays assholes, how much of an actor does he have to be? Woods is not one of those actors who disappears into a role.

Wasn’t Woods off playing with teenaged girls not too long ago? As if anything he has to say means anything at all.

550
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:18:00am

re: #543 Dr Lizardo

What? Now I’m glad I never saw Childhood’s End because my image of the Overlords comes straight from the Barlowe’s Guide to Extraterrestrials, and it’s a helluva lot cooler-looking than that critter.

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I read the book in high school, so i don’t remember much of it, but a key plot-point in the TV miniseries was that they had to hide themselves for years, because they look just like our portrayal of demons.

551
Hecuba's daughter  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:18:05am

re: #539 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The Ana Navarros, Jennifer Rubins, David Jollys, Charles Sykes, and Bill Kristols are the GOP establishment figures who understand what has been created and totally reject it. The other members of the GOP establishment really seem fine with it.

552
ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:18:17am

re: #528 HappyWarrior

Good question.

And it goes to what we discussed earlier about saving the Republicans.

553
Unshaken Defiance  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:18:43am

re: #524 DodgerFan1988

554
MsJ  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:20:06am

Man, I am really having a hard time with all these conservatives (Rubin, Krystal, the cryptkeeper [whose name escapes me right now], et fucking all) who now espouse honesty. I can’t support them. I won’t support them.

They built this shit. And once Trump is gone, they will be back to the same lies and deception that they did for years, if not decades.

555
Unshaken Defiance  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:20:41am

re: #517 A Mom Anon

I think I am considered a baby boomer, I was born in 1960. I’m at the very end of that era though….

Hey we are both “late boomers”. ;-)

556
A Mom Anon  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:22:42am

re: #555 Unshaken Defiance

I see what you did there…….snort.

557
Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:23:34am

re: #550 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I read the book in high school, so i don’t remember much of it, but a key plot-point in the TV miniseries was that they had to hide themselves for years, because they look just like our portrayal of demons.

With the ending point being:

that they look like demons because their affect on humans was so dramatic that the image reverberated back through time.

558
Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:23:39am

re: #546 ObserverArt

I’m particularly sorry about your friend’s wife on Vieques Island being on the receiving end of the New Conservative Cruelty (same as the old, but fortified with 20% more covfefe).

Quoting the old gospel spiritual: We Shall Overcome (if atheists are allowed to do that):

We Shall Over Come - Mahalia Jackson

559
Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:24:50am

re: #551 Hecuba’s daughter

The Ana Navarros, Jennifer Rubins, David Jollys, Charles Sykes, and Bill Kristols are the GOP establishment figures who understand what has been created and totally reject it. The other members of the GOP establishment really seem fine with it.

They also deny that their party’s actions since Wallace brought this about.

560
Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:25:30am

re: #549 MsJ

Wasn’t Woods off playing with teenaged girls not too long ago? As if anything he has to say means anything at all.

Yeah, as related by Amber Tamblyn.

“James Woods tried to pick me and my friend up at a restaurant once. He wanted to take us to Vegas. ‘I’m 16’ I said. ‘Even better’ he said,” Amber tweeted.

561
BeachDem  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:27:07am

re: #447 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And some good advice:

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ObserverArt  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:27:27am

re: #544 Blind Frog Belly White

But since he always plays assholes, how much of an actor does he have to be? Woods is not one of those actors who disappears into a role.

Heh.

Citizen Cohn, 1992 - Trailer

563
Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:31:00am

Carried over from the last thread, because our esteemed host Mr. Johnson didn’t clear a new thread with me first.

[[[Observer Art]]]

re: #558 Anymouse 🌹

I’m particularly sorry about your friend’s wife on Vieques Island being on the receiving end of the New Conservative Cruelty (same as the old, but fortified with 20% more covfefe).

Quoting the old gospel spiritual: We Shall Overcome (if atheists are allowed to do that):

We Shall Over Come - Mahalia Jackson

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BeachDem  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:33:33am

re: #470 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

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Stanley Sea  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:35:41am

re: #526 PhillyPretzel

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:36:44am

re: #362 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:58:14am

re: #565 Stanley Sea

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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2018 • 12:42:51pm

re: #503 Anymouse 🌹

So by logic presented here up the thread, people in Wisc. 1 should register as Republicans so they can vote in the primary and oust Paul Ryan, then hope like hell that Iron Stache wins.

That’s not what he said.


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