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Charles Johnson  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:38:53pm
2
Dave In Austin  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:42:01pm

Shit…. Retirement calls.

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Kragar  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:43:29pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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VegasGolfer  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:43:30pm
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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:45:05pm

re: #4 VegasGolfer

At least Trump finally paid one of his subcontractors.

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Kragar  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:46:18pm
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jaunte  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:48:31pm

re: #5 teleskiguy

Breaking: Trump fails to stiff contractor.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:49:01pm

re: #3 Kragar

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Yep. And yet she lectures condescendingly. Screw her.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:49:14pm

re: #6 Kragar

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:49:30pm

re: #6 Kragar

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:49:36pm

re: #6 Kragar

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A duty my ass. This wasn’t a secret meeting.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:50:57pm

Oh it’s Cassidy who used Jimmy Kimmel’s sick son to make himself look like a decent human being. Of course.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:54:19pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:55:35pm

re: #13 FormerDirtDart

I’m glad it specifies “human people,” as opposed to “dog people” or “cat people,” since that way I know it doesn’t apply to me because I currently hate the rest of humanity for what they’re doing.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:58:52pm

I wanted to take issue with a tweet in the last thread. Trump isn’t creating an unaccountable presidency without help. The GOP is enabling it.

It will be up to us to put an end to it.

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jaunte  Jan 12, 2018 • 8:59:19pm

White Pride APB

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:00:11pm

re: #16 jaunte

White Pride APB

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Silence expected from those who whine about blm.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:00:20pm

I’m sure he’s a nice guy, and his neighbors are shocked, it’s obviously due to economic anxiety

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:00:21pm

The GOP wants to silence any criticism of their God Emperor; they seem him as their ticket to permanent majority rule, especially with the judges he will appoint to the federal judiciary.

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Belafon  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:02:12pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart

I’m sure he’s a nice guy, and his neighbors are shocked, it’s obviously due to economic anxiety

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His first name is Ronnie. Maybe that’s who the White House was talking about.

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Targetpractice  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:02:14pm

“Dem Senators had a duty to keep quiet about the President saying naughty words…which he totally didn’t say, but if he did they have a duty to keep quiet!”

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:05:12pm

re: #16 jaunte

White Pride APB

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Where are the “Blue Lives Matter” crowd now?

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:06:42pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:07:59pm

re: #22 DodgerFan1988

Where are the “Blue Lives Matter” crowd now?

Blue Lives Matter only if they are confronting people who have a darker skin or follow a different faith. Any non-Muslim white shooter is clearly mentally impaired and a lone wolf.

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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:08:38pm

re: #23 FormerDirtDart

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Probably the easiest way to swallow it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:08:42pm

re: #23 FormerDirtDart

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What Obama said about FNC is tame compared to what Trump says about the media but FNC needs their vixtimhood.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:14:38pm

re: #16 jaunte

White Pride APB

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Surely Trump will condemn this guy as a show of solidarity with law enforcement right?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:15:55pm

re: #14 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m glad it specifies “human people,” as opposed to “dog people” or “cat people,” since that way I know it doesn’t apply to me because I currently hate the rest of humanity for what they’re doing.

Crab people

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:16:23pm

Both OANN and FNC are no different than the propaganda organs of any autocratic nation. They are leading the charge to destroy this country. Why assume that Murdoch is not a Russian asset? After all, his compatriot Assange does the Kremlin’s bidding.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:16:38pm

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

Surely Trump will condemn this guy as a show of solidarity with law enforcement right?

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He may say something but he won’t call him a son of a bitch. He killed a cop, he didn’t protest during the anthem. Which is worse? //

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Kragar  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:22:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:23:56pm

re: #31 Kragar

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Can’t wait to see all the right wing tough guys call him a snowflake.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:27:28pm

re: #4 VegasGolfer

Hello? Police?

I’d like to report a murder.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:28:09pm

re: #31 Kragar

Kragar
@Kragar_LGF
U.S. ambassador to Panama resigns, saying he cannot serve Trump huffingtonpost.com … via @HuffPostPol
11:20 PM - Jan 12, 2018

These resignations are troubling because they leave posts open to be filled by Trumpsters. I know it’s easy for me to say since I don’t have to work in this environment, but it may be better for this country if people stick it out until they are actually fired.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:28:38pm

re: #33 The Ghost of a Flea

Hello? Police?

I’d like to report a murder.

There’s a reason why he’s one of the most popular comics. My cousins went to school with him. Patton is awesome.

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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:29:36pm

re: #34 Hecuba’s daughter

These resignations are troubling because they leave posts open to be filled by Trumpsters. I know it’s easy for me to say since I don’t have to work in this environment, but it may be better for this country if people stick it out until they are actually fired.

There is a certain symbolic value to having an ambassador “make a point” following one of these outbursts. Get your point, tho’…

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:30:30pm

The snow is dumping!

In Japan.

Instagram

Hokkaido #snowbank

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:31:13pm

re: #14 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:31:20pm

re: #37 teleskiguy

The snow is dumping!

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*0*

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:32:51pm

re: #37 teleskiguy

The snow is dumping!

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Saw the first line and thought at last!! and then saw your second line. Sorry it hasn’t happened yet. :-(

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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:34:22pm

re: #39 retired cynic

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Supposed to be two eyes bugging out and a mouth open wide, but it doesn’t really look like I intended!

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:35:03pm
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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:37:16pm

re: #41 retired cynic

Supposed to be two eyes bugging out and a mouth open wide, but it doesn’t really look like I intended!

Like this? 😲

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:38:45pm

re: #34 Hecuba’s daughter

These resignations are troubling because they leave posts open to be filled by Trumpsters. I know it’s easy for me to say since I don’t have to work in this environment, but it may be better for this country if people stick it out until they are actually fired.

Ambassadorships are political appointments anyway. Most ambassadors are posted by the incoming president. While some serve over several administrations, most only serve until a new president is elected.

re: #36 retired cynic

There is a certain symbolic value to having an ambassador “make a point” following one of these outbursts. Get your point, tho’…

Especially if the television or radio media ask this now-resigned ambassador to come on and explain why he did so.

Probably no one knew or cared who the US Ambassador to Panama was. If he gets a bunch of airtime, a whole lot more people will know who he is and why he quit.

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retired cynic  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:39:11pm

re: #43 teleskiguy

Like this? 😲

Bigger 0

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:40:04pm

The measure of my opinion of Batman Begins is that I’m still watching it, because I just pause and wander off and Netflix boots me.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:41:33pm

re: #45 retired cynic

Bigger 0

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:43:57pm

re: #46 The Ghost of a Flea

I sort of feel like I’m supposed to be surprised about Ducard, but not because of the plot, but because Liam Neeson always dies in the first half of the film in he’s playing a mentor figure.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:44:08pm

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹

Trump has failed to fill many appointed positions so the role is filled by career civil servants. Losing those people can damage this country.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:47:53pm
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wheat-dogg  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:48:19pm

AARP sent me an email about Social Security, and it seems the maximum monthly income for participants is now $1,420, before SSA penalizes you for making too much money. I make less than $1,420 in China.

I turn 62 this year. Full retirement age for me would be 66y4m. So, do I start collecting now and still work in China? Or wait until I’m 65, when China tells me I can’t work here anymore?

Decisions, decisions.

Anyone have advice?

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Kragar  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:48:34pm

re: #49 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump has failed to fill many appointed positions so the role is filled by career civil servants. Losing those people can damage this country.

RWNJ radio host was saying how great it was going to be that the EPA would lose half its employs by 2020 just because they aren’t going to hire any replacements

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:50:35pm

re: #49 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump has failed to fill many appointed positions so the role is filled by career civil servants. Losing those people can damage this country.

nbcnews.com

[John] Feeley’s departure had been communicated to State Department officials on Dec. 27 [my emphasis] and was not a response to Trump’s alleged use of the word “shithole” to describe Haiti and African countries at a meeting on Thursday, U.S. officials said.

Trump denies using the term.

Feeley, one of the department’s Latin America specialists and among its senior most officers, made clear that he had come to a place where he no longer felt able to serve under Trump.

“As a junior foreign service officer, I signed an oath to serve faithfully the president and his administration in an apolitical fashion, even when I might not agree with certain policies,” Feeley said, according to an excerpt of a resignation letter read to Reuters on Friday.

“My instructors made clear that if I believed I could not do that, I would be honor bound to resign. That time has come.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:51:45pm

re: #52 Kragar

RWNJ radio host was saying how great it was going to be that the EPA would lose half its employs by 2020 just because they aren’t going to hire any replacements

People like that deserve shitty air.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:53:09pm

re: #52 Kragar

RWNJ radio host was saying how great it was going to be that the EPA would lose half its employs by 2020 just because they aren’t going to hire any replacements

Republicans have been running all my life on the idea of “shrinking government” because so-called big government is necessarily bad.

Too bad so many people think both parties are just the same and chose not to vote.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:53:31pm

re: #50 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Shapiro is such a fucking hack. No one cares he said shithole. It’s what that means and what it means about those people. Calling ACA a big fucking Deal is different. Shapiro knows that but once a Breitbart hack always a Breitbart hack.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:54:40pm

re: #53 Anymouse 🌹

I took the Foreign Service exam twice. Passed the written both times. Once when Reagan was in office, and then when W was in office. I never went on to the interview process, because I knew I could not represent either administration’s foreign policy goals impartially.

Trump is making it a real challenge for career FSO to remain in their posts.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:55:11pm

re: #51 wheat-dogg

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:56:27pm

re: #57 wheat-dogg

I took the Foreign Service exam twice. Passed the written both times. Once when Reagan was in office, and then when W was in office. I never went on to the interview process, because I knew I could not represent either administration’s foreign policy goals impartially.

Trump is making it a real challenge for career FSO to remain in their posts.

I took it and failed after I graduated. A disappointment at the time but no regrets in hindsight.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:56:44pm

re: #52 Kragar

RWNJ radio host was saying how great it was going to be that the EPA would lose half its employs by 2020 just because they aren’t going to hire any replacements

Good!

Let that asshole drink polluted water and win a Darwin Award in the process!

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wheat-dogg  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:58:33pm

re: #58 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:58:40pm

re: #57 wheat-dogg

I took the Foreign Service exam twice. Passed the written both times. Once when Reagan was in office, and then when W was in office. I never went on to the interview process, because I knew I could not represent either administration’s foreign policy goals impartially.

Trump is making it a real challenge for career FSO to remain in their posts.

I can understand why you would do so. Representing the nation is particularly hard when you don’t agree with the leadership. (I left the Navy in 1984 under Reagan, though I eventually chose to go back in late 1985.)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 9:58:47pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

I took it and failed after I graduated. A disappointment at the time but no regrets in hindsight.

Happy I took it twice, once under Carter and once under Reagan and passed the written and interviews. Then they had us play a game of Diplomacy. I was able to get on the roster but I wasn’t high enough to get selected. Anyway Social Security picked me up.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:00:21pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

People like that deserve shitty air.

Unfortunately the rest of us, innocent children of Republican voters, and the rest of life on this planet will suffer too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:00:24pm

re: #63 Joe Bacon 🌹

Happy I took it twice, once under Carter and once under Reagan and passed the written and interviews. Then they had us play a game of Diplomacy. I was able to get on the roster but I wasn’t high enough to get selected. Anyway Social Security picked me up.

It’s a difficult test. I have an old grade school friend who made it. He’s one of the good guys.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:00:53pm

re: #64 Hecuba’s daughter

Unfortunately the rest of us, innocent children of Republican voters, and the rest of life on this planet will suffer too.

I know. I was speaking tongue in cheek.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:01:31pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

It’s a difficult test. I have an old grade school friend who made it. He’s one of the good guys.

Yes, the test was difficult. I was shocked when the score came back the second time and I was at 99%!

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Citizen K  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:01:31pm

I’m so exhausted of this shit. Just so fucking exhausted.

And far as the Tide Pod thing, I smell the 4Chan/Reddit crowd on this. Dumb kids willing to poison themselves just to start a new dumb meme for contrarianism’s sake.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:01:34pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

It’s a difficult test. I have an old grade school friend who made it. He’s one of the good guys.

I presume the Foreign Service requires college to take the examination?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:02:51pm

re: #67 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yes, the test was difficult. I was shocked when the score came back the second time and I was at 99%!

I think even if I passed, I’d struggle with the interview. It’s too bad because I really dreamed it’d be my ideal job. I’m happy where I am though. I’m helping people and learning.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:03:01pm

re: #51 wheat-dogg

AARP sent me an email about Social Security, and it seems the maximum monthly income for participants is now $1,420, before SSA penalizes you for making too much money. I make less than $1,420 in China.

I turn 62 this year. Full retirement age for me would be 66y4m. So, do I start collecting now and still work in China? Or wait until I’m 65, when China tells me I can’t work here anymore?

Decisions, decisions.

Anyone have advice?

It depends on your health. If you are in reasonably good health, wait, if you can, to avoid the hit to benefits.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:03:15pm

re: #69 Anymouse 🌹

I presume the Foreign Service requires college to take the examination?

When I took it, they required a BA but preferred an MA degree. You also had to master 2 foreign languages. In Western PA I spoke English and French. I read Russian because of my love of chess. Picked up Spanish in High School.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:04:11pm

If what NBC says in their article about Ambassador Feeley is true, he was upset with Trump long before this insanely racist statement he made came out.

It might be interesting to get him in front of a microphone to find out what his breaking point was with the maladministration.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:05:06pm

re: #69 Anymouse 🌹

I presume the Foreign Service requires college to take the examination?

Yeah I think you need a degree. It’s a difficult test. Part of my other liability was being poor with foreign language. I hate that since I love travel but I’m a butcher of foreign language.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:06:04pm

re: #72 Joe Bacon 🌹

When I took it, they required a BA but preferred an MA degree. You also had to master 2 foreign languages. In Western PA I spoke English and French. I read Russian because of my love of chess. Picked up Spanish in High School.

I only speak a little Spanish. Not enough to get by.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:06:28pm

re: #72 Joe Bacon 🌹

When I took it, they required a BA but preferred an MA degree. You also had to master 2 foreign languages. In Western PA I spoke English and French. I read Russian because of my love of chess. Picked up Spanish in High School.

Well, I have two foreign languages (Spanish and Portuguese) but a firm no-go on the college.

I keep suggesting my wife join the CIA, but she cryptically responds “how do you know I didn’t?”

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wheat-dogg  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:07:39pm

re: #71 Hecuba’s daughter

It depends on your health. If you are in reasonably good health, wait, if you can, to avoid the hit to benefits.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:10:48pm

In Mr. Trump’s (at best) insensitive remark to the woman of Korean decent, a bit got buried about that.

nbcnews.com

At a March meeting with members of the Congressional Black Caucus, Trump asked the elected officials if they personally knew just one member of his incoming cabinet — Ben Carson — according to two people in the room.

Carson, the only black member of Trump’s Cabinet, had never served in Congress and spent his career as a surgeon. Trump found that surprising that no one said they knew him, the attendees said.

During that same meeting, a member relayed to Trump that potential welfare cuts would harm her constituents, “not all of whom are black.” The president replied: “Really? Then what are they?”

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wheat-dogg  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:12:24pm

re: #72 Joe Bacon 🌹

When I took it, they required a BA but preferred an MA degree. You also had to master 2 foreign languages. In Western PA I spoke English and French. Picked up Spanish in High School.

I had reasonably good Spanish at the time, and mediocre Portuguese. I probably could have squeaked by with those and my BA. I gave up consideration of the foreign service after I realized I could teach abroad, and have the international experience I wanted without all the government requirements.

The written exam was very heavy on history, politics, geography and economics, as I recall. My degree was in lit, but I studied enough of the other subjects to be able to answer most of the questions correctly. But jeez, it was a brutal test. Three hours, then lunch, then another three hours. Like two GREs back to back.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:15:07pm

re: #79 wheat-dogg

I had reasonably good Spanish at the time, and mediocre Portuguese. I probably could have squeaked by with those and my BA. I gave up consideration of the foreign service after I realized I could teach abroad, and have the international experience I wanted without all the government requirements.

The written exam was very heavy on history, politics, geography and economics, as I recall, my degree was in lit, but I studied enough of the other subjects to be able to answer most of the questions correctly. But jeez, it was a brutal test. Three hours, then lunch, then another three hours. Like two GREs back to back.

I don’t know how difficult the examination is, but I have a fair amount of all those subjects and could probably do very well in geography.

My degree from the School of Hard Knocks probably wouldn’t fly though.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:20:47pm

re: #79 wheat-dogg

On a tangential subject, when I was in the Navy I decided to seek out a radiotelephone license. (That was back in the days when there were three classes of license.)

I started the examination for 3rd (required for DJs and other radio operators such as air traffic controllers), and slugged my way through the 1st class exam, followed by the radar endorsement, all in one sitting.

The proctor for the FCC at that test said he’d never seen a person take all the tests in one slug, and most engineers failed the 1st class test at least once. (In fact, the day I took all those exams there were a number of engineers in the room. I felt a bit of probably inappropriate pride at slugging through each test while they struggled and failed.)

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:22:29pm

Norway is where the telemark (freeheel) ski turn originated. Tele ski is my Zen.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:26:43pm

re: #82 teleskiguy

The tweeter should note that during the 1800s, Norway and Sweden *were* shitholes in many respects, overpopulated with insufficient arable land for farming, very strict class divisions, and formidable state churches. So, it’s no wonder tens of millions of Norwegians and Swedes came to the USA (and Canada).

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:27:10pm

re: #82 teleskiguy

Considering the snow you have at your ski resorts, you’d probably do better to ski here at Chimney Rock or Scotts Bluff National Monument.

From the photos you’ve shown of the abysmal snowfall in Colorado, it would seem we have much more.

My wife and I will be gracing your fair state on January 24 and 25, when I have to go to Denver to have my car serviced at the Mercedes dealer in Westminster. You’ve been warned.

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:28:52pm

re: #84 Anymouse 🌹

My wife and I will be gracing your fair state on January 24 and 25

Those are my days off. There’s a good chance I’ll be in Utah or Wyoming, chasing powder.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:32:29pm

OT, and a personal gripe. If unfamiliar LinkedIn users would really like to connect with me, you think they’d bother to send a message or work through our mutual connections first. I’ve got two invites here from people I don’t know at all from the ESL universe. LinkedIn is not supposed to be flipping Facebook. If you don’t know me personally or through some other social media, just don’t bother trying to make a connection. I will ignore you.

/end rant

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:35:16pm

re: #85 teleskiguy

Those are my days off. There’s a good chance I’ll be in Utah or Wyoming, chasing powder.

I’ll be in Wyoming on the 24th, but not chasing powder (unless I have to drive through it from Nebraska). I’ll be there for a VA appointment.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:39:10pm

re: #86 wheat-dogg

OT, and a personal gripe. If unfamiliar LinkedIn users would really like to connect with me, you think they’d bother to send a message or work through our mutual connections first. I’ve got two invites here from people I don’t know at all from the ESL universe. LinkedIn is not supposed to be flipping Facebook. If you don’t know me personally or through some other social media, just don’t bother trying to make a connection. I will ignore you.

/end rant

I used to get LinkedIn messages until I told the company to cease-and-desist.

It seems that LinkedIn sends out spam from E-mail lists they acquire from third parties.

I used to get messages from all sorts of people in fields unrelated to anything I ever did saying they wanted to connect with me on the site, would I please sign up.

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teleskiguy  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:47:37pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:51:21pm

Thanks, GOP.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 12, 2018 • 10:52:04pm

re: #88 Anymouse 🌹

I’ve got mine restricted only to people with connections to my existing connections, but none of them bother with getting intros from those existing connections. I treat them like a cold call, as in I don’t pick up the phone and/or I don’t engage in conversation. I’ll check their bios for possible connections from workplaces or schools, and if there are none, I ignore them. If they want to connect with me that badly, they can send me a message or find me elsewhere on the Web.

Lazy people.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:02:31pm

re: #91 wheat-dogg

I’ve got mine restricted only to people with connections to my existing connections, but none of them bother with getting intros from those existing connections. I treat them like a cold call, as in I don’t pick up the phone and/or I don’t engage in conversation. I’ll check their bios for possible connections from workplaces or schools, and if there are none, I ignore them. If they want to connect with me that badly, they can send me a message or find me elsewhere on the Web.

Lazy people.

I don’t have a LinkedIn account and never did. Nevertheless, LinkedIn “connexions” used to fill my E-mail box (asking me to sign up for the service) until I wrote them and told them to take me off their list.

I got a letter back with a “you’ll be sorry because if we block your E-mail you can never sign up.” Good. I don’t want to sign up. I could not care less about LinkedIn - and the vast majority of people on that service are far above my economic stratum anyway.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:13:20pm

re: #92 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t have a LinkedIn account and never did. Nevertheless, LinkedIn “connexions” used to fill my E-mail box (asking me to sign up for the service) until I wrote them and told them to take me off their list.

I got a letter back with a “you’ll be sorry because if we block your E-mail you can never sign up.” Good. I don’t want to sign up. I could not care less about LinkedIn - and the vast majority of people on that service are far above my economic stratum anyway.

TBH I hardly use it at all, though I can see how it would help in networking for professionals. I was going to post my resume on LinkedIn when I lost my teaching job last year, but didn’t need to, as I found a new job in short order.

As for economic strata, there are a lot of folks in LinkedIn who are at the bottom of the corporate ladders trying to claw their way up. Government types, too. The really well-to-do don’t need LinkedIn for networking. They have their country clubs for that.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:14:09pm

Gone for a bit, to meet up with some folks. laterz!

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meteor  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:34:17pm
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Dave In Austin  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:36:00pm
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freetoken  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:48:26pm

re: #82 teleskiguy

I have ancestors from Telemark.

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freetoken  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:48:58pm

Something special for the overnight crowd:

Henryk Górecki - Symphony of Sorrowful Songs - 2nd Movement

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freetoken  Jan 12, 2018 • 11:52:21pm

Symphony No. 3 (Górecki)

The Symphony No. 3, Op. 36, also known as the Symphony of Sorrowful Songs (Polish: Symfonia pieśni żałosnych), is a symphony in three movements composed by Henryk Górecki in Katowice, Poland, between October and December 1976. […]

A solo soprano sings Polish texts in each of the three movements.[2] The first is a 15th-century Polish lament of Mary, mother of Jesus, the second a message written on the wall of a Gestapo cell during World War II, and the third a Silesian folk song of a mother searching for her son killed by the Germans in the Silesian uprisings.[3] The first and third movements are written from the perspective of a parent who has lost a child, and the second movement from that of a child separated from a parent. The dominant themes of the symphony are motherhood and separation through war.

[…]

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 13, 2018 • 12:25:34am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2018 • 12:27:21am

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

… with cover from less-radical churches. I eagerly await any church calling them out as a death-cult.

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I cannot.  Jan 13, 2018 • 12:33:52am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 13, 2018 • 12:50:44am

I’m off to bed. It was a long day biting fingernails hoping an express mail package of a water sample reached the state water lab in the morning on Friday when I mailed it from my village (twenty bucks) on Thursday.

It arrived in the morning. Yay. I won’t be dragged out in a tumbrel by the state.

G’night y’all.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 13, 2018 • 1:18:57am
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Kragar  Jan 13, 2018 • 1:47:15am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2018 • 3:24:58am

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

Photon Herder
@goddamnedfrank
Modern evangelical christianity is basically an insane death cult plotting murder-suicide on a global scale.


2:17 AM - Jan 13, 2018
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In which case, Pence may not be the sane alternative to Trump!

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2018 • 3:28:22am

re: #105 Kragar

John Hodgman

@hodgman
Norway is not a skill


3:35 AM - Jan 13, 2018
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If these rules applied when our families were trying to emigrate, most of us would not be here. He is racist to the core — and that seems to be true of a majority of whites in this country.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2018 • 3:56:12am

re: #77 wheat-dogg

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dangerman  Jan 13, 2018 • 5:02:48am

today the NYT has a bit of a backbone

Mr. Trump denied making the remarks on Friday, but Senator Richard Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, who attended the meeting, said the president did in fact say these “hate-filled things, and he said them repeatedly.”

Of course he did. Remember, Mr. Trump is not just racist, ignorant, incompetent and undignified. He’s also a liar.

(bold mine)

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I cannot.  Jan 13, 2018 • 5:09:45am

re: #109 dangerman

Damn, they took their vitamins today. Read the whole thing.

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dangerman  Jan 13, 2018 • 5:44:49am

Meanwhile Muller want to try manafort and gates in May

Mueller has disclosed that he has 590,000 items of evidence, including 2,200 important ones. And19 warrants

Bloomberg

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 5:45:14am

re: #105 Kragar

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darthstar  Jan 13, 2018 • 5:51:35am
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darthstar  Jan 13, 2018 • 5:52:38am
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darthstar  Jan 13, 2018 • 5:54:28am

Haiti’s ambassador too now.

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darthstar  Jan 13, 2018 • 5:56:26am
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darthstar  Jan 13, 2018 • 5:57:04am

I want to see Nikki Haley booed out of the UN when she shows up.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 13, 2018 • 5:58:28am

re: #116 darthstar

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wheat-dogg  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:02:38am

re: #108 Hecuba’s daughter

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:02:49am

I’m so old I remember Bush being lauded in Africa.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:04:01am

re: #118 Decatur Deb

I’m so old I remember when we used to insult countries one at a time.

Much more efficient to insult entire continents now.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:04:34am

re: #120 HappyWarrior

I’m so old I remember Bush being lauded in Africa.

I’m so old I remember Bush. Both of them.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:06:39am

re: #120 HappyWarrior

I’m so old I remember Bush being lauded in Africa.

Are you sure GHWB wasn’t just fooled by the Union of South Africa crowds chanting “USA, USA”?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:09:18am

re: #123 Decatur Deb

Are you sure GHWB wasn’t just fooled by the Union of South Africa crowds chanting “USA, USA”?

Was talking about Dubya’s AIDS efforts actually.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:20:50am

‘Safest car in the world’ scored nearly perfect in crash test

The Volvo XC60 is the safest car money can buy, according to latest crash tests.

The large family SUV scored a full five stars on the Euro NCAP ratings - and nearly hit 100 percent in two categories.

The $40,000 car was praised for its protection of passengers in a head-on crash and a classic side smash.

Front and side airbags meant dummies suffered very little impact with the bulky structure of the SUV absorbing the impact.

Passengers were unlikely to suffer whiplash, too, thanks to clever seatbelt tech that stops the neck from snapping forward.

The 98 percent adult occupant rating topped any other car tested in 2017 and the 87 percent for child protection was one of the highest on record, too.

Volvo XC60 Best in Class 2017

nypost.com

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jeffreyw  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:23:41am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:24:18am

re: #125 Shropshire Slasher

At 1:11 you see a pretty cool action sequence of the self tensioning seat belts.

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darthstar  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:36:44am

re: #124 HappyWarrior

Was talking about Dubya’s AIDS efforts actually.

As much as I hated that fucker, he did do well on the AIDS front…and he was pretty quiet about it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:37:40am

re: #128 darthstar

As much as I hated that fucker, he did do well on the AIDS front…and he was pretty quiet about it.

Yeah. No fan of his either. But I can’t imagine Trump doing that.

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darthstar  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:39:29am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:46:03am

still a moron

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:46:54am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:50:17am

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I hate British Nazis.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:50:24am

this thread…
JFC

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darthstar  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:53:43am
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MsJ  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:54:40am

re: #125 Shropshire Slasher

‘Safest car in the world’ scored nearly perfect in crash test

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The only problem with Volvo is if you get a good car it’s great. But not all are good, and a bad one is nothing but problems. Design may be flawless, but quality isn’t.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:56:16am

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

From the article:

After the protesters were ousted on Saturday, Khan took another jab at Trump. “It is a pleasure to be here even though we were distracted by the actions of what some would call very stable geniuses,” he said.

Heh.

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darthstar  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:57:42am

Febrile-Wrath Spice

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2018 • 6:59:59am

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

still a moron

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You’ve got that backwards, Donny. You’re missing out on the opportunity to get another legislative victory because your vanity project is not being funded. I strongly suspect that even members of your own party, when they know the cameras are not on them, are incandescent with rage over your preparation to drive the country into a ditch over a wall that’s never going to be built.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:01:57am

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

this thread…
JFC

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Damn.

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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:03:41am

Morning!

Pretty good winter storm last night. Cool drifts all over the street and folk’s yards. They say we had 4”. I just got back in from shoveling my walkways and with the drifting some of the areas I had to remove were a good foot deep. Pretty hard to shovel with the coating of ice under it. Columbus seems to have done a decent job with the streets as the county is only a level 1 alert. All the counties around us though are level 2 and the ones in the hilly country southeast along the river are level 3.

Okay…with that, I am now ready for winter to be over. You hear that Mom Nature? Cut it out!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:06:39am

re: #141 ObserverArt

It’s -13 degrees F (-25 degrees C) here this morning. Happy January, Lizardim.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:10:54am
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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:15:37am

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

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As others were pointing out last night, the statement gave the doctor’s name as “Ronnie,” when in fact it is “Ronny.” I’m curious to hear where the press received this statement from, because I suspect it was “passed on” by the White House Press Office.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:20:48am

re: #136 MsJ

The only problem with Volvo is if you get a good car it’s great. But not all are good, and a bad one is nothing but problems. Design may be flawless, but quality isn’t.

I think it is a better deal than a $60,000 pick-me-up truck.

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MsJ  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:24:52am

re: #145 Shropshire Slasher

I think it is a better deal than a $60,000 pick-me-up truck.

Only if it works! I bypassed Volvo for that reason. Like I said, they’re great cars when you get a good one, truly top of the line. But they have major quality issues and a car that won’t start or run is worthless if you depend on a car.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:25:06am

re: #119 wheat-dogg

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:28:54am

re: #142 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

A balmy 7 degrees F here!! But blue skies and sunshine the entire day.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:29:07am

re: #147 Hecuba’s daughter

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sagehen  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:29:53am

re: #51 wheat-dogg

AARP sent me an email about Social Security, and it seems the maximum monthly income for participants is now $1,420, before SSA penalizes you for making too much money. I make less than $1,420 in China.

I turn 62 this year. Full retirement age for me would be 66y4m. So, do I start collecting now and still work in China? Or wait until I’m 65, when China tells me I can’t work here anymore?

Decisions, decisions.

Anyone have advice?

How’s your health?

If you wait for full retirement, you get more per month than if you start at 62. If you expect to live past 70, it’s worth waiting.

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fern01  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:30:16am

re: #49 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump has failed to fill many appointed positions so the role is filled by career civil servants. Losing those people can damage this country.

Anyone who stops working for trump has my full support. An ambassador must support the current government/administration. For many that must be near impossible at this point in time.

Australia doesn’t have a US ambassador - whether this is because no-one will work for trump or because he has deliberately left the position vacant as an insult to the current Oz PM, I have yet to determine. Both could be true.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:31:16am

re: #148 Hecuba’s daughter

A balmy 7 degrees F here!! But blue skies and sunshine the entire day.

It’s supposed to creep up above 0 degrees F by the afternoon, but we are definitely in another cold snap for most of the next week. To be fair, this is typical for this time of the year - in fact, we’re actually a little bit warm. Mid-January is typically with highs (yes, highs!) in the -5 to -10 degrees F range, and lows dipping down to -40 degrees.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:31:41am

I haven’t seen Shiplord around. Hope he’s OK. I always love his takes from the wingnut perimeter.

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Citizen K  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:34:55am

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

this thread…
JFC

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Sweet jesus christ…

That’s what keeps me up at night: knowing that there are far, far, far more racists with violent fantasies than we (or they) are willing to admit, especially in public. That’s how Trump was able to win: we are a truly racist nation at its core, and that still hasn’t changed.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:36:14am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:39:48am

re: #155 FormerDirtDart

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Spencer also approved them. But hey the libtards are pissed off and that’s all that matters. Didya know that liberals are the KKK because of what the parties were 150 years ago? //

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Mike Lamb  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:39:59am

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Aravosis has it nailed. His weight alone would be a major cause of concern. Given his diet and demeanor, it would take a freaking miracle for him not to be hypertensive with cholesterol problems.

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Old Liberal  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:40:41am

re: #150 sagehen

How’s your health?

If you wait for full retirement, you get more per month than if you start at 62. If you expect to live past 70, it’s worth waiting.

The break even calculation, the amount of SS income I would get between 62 and 66 4 months, it would take until I was 82 to “get that back” from the higher monthly benefit I would get at 66 4 months. So for me, it was how long after 82 would I live. And would a few hundred extra per month after 83 really change my life at that point. Experts agree that there is no real “formula”, the decision depends on so many factors other than just how long you think you will live. I recommend spending time on line reading articles from sources like Kiplinger, Vanguard to gain an understanding of the various components. I chose to take SS at 62 because I would prefer to retain my IRA accounts and no longer work. If I liked my job and had little IRA money, my calculus might be different.

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fern01  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:41:47am

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

“White House doctor pronounces Trump in “excellent health”

The report spelt the doctor’s name wrong, didn’t specifically say it was from the doctor - which Rachel pointed out in her show. The report came from the White House, not from the doctor.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:42:33am

re: #156 HappyWarrior

Spencer also approved them. But hey the libtards are pissed off and that’s all that matters. Didya know that liberals are the KKK because of what the parties were 150 years ago? //

This is why the current model of adversarial politics pisses me off so much. The GOP and the evangelicals have spent so much time and energy building up to making the Democrats the enemy, and this is the end result - policy is determined purely on what makes the enemy mad.

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dangerman  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:43:45am

re: #148 Hecuba’s daughter

A balmy 7 degrees F here!! But blue skies and sunshine the entire day.

don’t want to gloat - ok maybe a little

71 and sunny

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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:44:05am

re: #150 sagehen

How’s your health?

If you wait for full retirement, you get more per month than if you start at 62. If you expect to live past 70, it’s worth waiting.

The magic number is live past 78, put off claiming.

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dangerman  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:45:49am

re: #154 Citizen K

Sweet jesus christ…

That’s what keeps me up at night: knowing that there are far, far, far more racists with violent fantasies than we (or they) are willing to admit, especially in public. That’s how Trump was able to win: we are a truly racist nation at its core, and that still hasn’t changed.

lets just keep at it so that core keeps shrinking….

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:47:58am

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

this thread…
JFC

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Absolutely terrifying. Too many people out there reveal hatred and prejudice if they think you are not a member or a supporter of an oppressed group. Too many in the South still have the same attitudes as prior generations; and too many Northern whites share this view. There is something very wrong with this country; Obama had given me real hope that Trump snatched away. However, perhaps the 2018 midterms will produce a pleasant outcome that will allow us to begin the recovery from this nightmare.

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Semper Fi  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:49:58am

re: #51 wheat-dogg

AARP sent me an email about Social Security, and it seems the maximum monthly income for participants is now $1,420, before SSA penalizes you for making too much money. I make less than $1,420 in China.

I turn 62 this year. Full retirement age for me would be 66y4m. So, do I start collecting now and still work in China? Or wait until I’m 65, when China tells me I can’t work here anymore?

Decisions, decisions.

Anyone have advice?

Oh, to be 62 again…sounds nice.
I would consider just ‘where’ I intend to be ‘after’ China says thanks for your service. Short answer: You’ll need the extra dough if retiring in the States…that means 66yrs4mo of age.
Good luck whatever you do.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:50:26am

re: #150 sagehen

How’s your health?

If you wait for full retirement, you get more per month than if you start at 62. If you expect to live past 70, it’s worth waiting.

Health is fine. I know about the lower payouts if I claim before full retirement age. It’s just a question of whether i want to keep working until I am 66+.

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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:51:14am

re: #161 dangerman

don’t want to gloat - ok maybe a little

71 and sunny

Oh sure…rub it in.

Wait. I remember a only a few months ago…

Never mind. I’ll take the snow and cold.

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dangerman  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:51:37am

re: #164 Hecuba’s daughter

Absolutely terrifying. Too many people out there reveal hatred and prejudice if they think you are not a member or a supporter of an oppressed group. Too many in the South still have the same attitudes as prior generations; and too many Northern whites share this view. There is something very wrong with this country; Obama had given me real hope that Trump snatched away. However, perhaps the 2018 midterms will produce a pleasant outcome that will allow us to begin the recovery from this nightmare.

obama was both change and continuity with administrations of the past

trump is an aberration. when he’s out, or politically crippled, the ship will begin to right itself (with work and attention)

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:52:57am

re: #158 Old Liberal

The break even calculation, the amount of SS income I would get between 62 and 66 4 months, it would take until I was 82 to “get that back” from the higher monthly benefit I would get at 66 4 months.

Doesn’t the break even also depend on inflation? If inflation returns, then you would recover the money in a shorter period.

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BlueGrl21  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:54:43am

At this point, I’m waiting for Trump to tweet, “Hitler. Great ideas. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!”

I know that’s Godwin, but I’m waiting for it.

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dangerman  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:55:22am

re: #166 wheat-dogg

Health is fine. I know about the lower payouts if I claim before full retirement age. It’s just a question of whether i want to keep working until I am 66+.

im just jumping in so sorry if i missed a detail above

the choices are more than comparing work till 66 and delay ss or take ss now and stop working

another option to consider is take ss early and continue to work. yes you may pay some back in taxes each year.

my eval would be which option maximizes the dollars in your pocket after taxes.

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Old Liberal  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:57:44am

re: #166 wheat-dogg

Health is fine. I know about the lower payouts if I claim before full retirement age. It’s just a question of whether i want to keep working until I am 66+.

You can quit at 65, you’ll get less than 66 but more than 62. Quit whenever you want, if you have other funds you can live on those until 66. If you like your job, If you like your life, why would you change?

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dangerman  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:57:48am

re: #167 ObserverArt

Oh sure…rub it in.

Wait. I remember a only a few months ago…

Never mind. I’ll take the snow and cold.

and that’s why god invented more than one growing zone
10B rah!

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wheat-dogg  Jan 13, 2018 • 7:59:01am

re: #165 Semper Fi

Oh, to be 62 again…sounds nice.
I would consider just ‘where’ I intend to be ‘after’ China says thanks for your service. Short answer: You’ll need the extra dough if retiring in the States…that means 66yrs4mo of age.
Good luck whatever you do.

I am pretty sure I will not be retiring in the USA, but in Central or South America. I already speak Spanish, and living there would be more convenient for visiting family than, say, Thailand or Malaysia. I have visited both, and enjoyed the experience, but flying 14+ hours to visit my kids and grandkid(s) takes the luster off the exotic locales. Plus, the Thai government is fucked up. Malaysia is a little better.

re: #158 Old Liberal

The break even calculation, the amount of SS income I would get between 62 and 66 4 months, it would take until I was 82 to “get that back” from the higher monthly benefit I would get at 66 4 months. So for me, it was how long after 82 would I live. And would a few hundred extra per month after 83 really change my life at that point. Experts agree that there is no real “formula”, the decision depends on so many factors other than just how long you think you will live. I recommend spending time on line reading articles from sources like Kiplinger, Vanguard to gain an understanding of the various components. I chose to take SS at 62 because I would prefer to retain my IRA accounts and no longer work. If I liked my job and had little IRA money, my calculus might be different.

This is the kind of calculation I need to do. I like my work, but having the extra money now would allow me to pack in more travel before my body starts to call it quits.

Like I said above, I have the luxury of taking my time to consider this issue.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:02:07am

re: #172 Old Liberal

You can quit at 65, you’ll get less than 66 but more than 62. Quit whenever you want, if you have other funds you can live on those until 66. If you like your job, If you like your life, why would you change?

My point was to both work (since I make less than the maximum allowed) and collect SS benefits. Essentially, two incomes. But Joe Bacon, our local Social Security guru, says working abroad may complicate matters.

I was not suggesting that I leave my job.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:02:11am

So wingnut acquaintence is using a DiFi video from 1994 to say she’s a hypocrite on illegal immigration. Okay if you want to play that game, you shouldn’t trust Trump on anything since he far more recently than that has shown himself to be two faced on issues.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:02:43am

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

this thread…
JFC

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Things have changed, but if you don’t see, don’t truly open your eyes, you might think things have changed more than they have.

If there’s any advantage to living in Texas it’s that I see the progress and the resistance to moving to the 21st century all around me.

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retired cynic  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:02:44am

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

this thread…
JFC]

OMG. It is not surprising, is it? But still shocks one to the core.

I _was_ heartened to see that NYT editorial board really slamming DT as a racist, bigot and liar, and the comments were strengthening, too. This one got me:

jimbo Guilderland, NY 2 hours ago
People voted for Trump because they weren’t being heard. They had no voice. And the rest of us needed to sit down and have a dialogue with them to listen to their point of view. Well I, for one, have certainly heard enough. It’s not like Trump’s base shrinks because of what he says and does. Their leader is expressing their wishes. Otherwise the support for him would decline, but it does not. Look at the response from people like Paul Ryan. “Not helpful” ? That’s the best you can do, Mr. Ryan? That’s as forceful a response as you can muster? Do you call the child molesters in your district “unkind”? Others like Cotton and Perdue do the see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil every time. They lie to cover up for Trump. Being Christians their response to a sin is to downplay the significance of the behavior. No need to repent. “Nothing much we can recall happened here”. Well I see no need to listen to the “unheard” anymore. I hear you. I understand exactly what you want . So when your heroes are voted out, I hope you get the response to your chance to be heard LOUD AND CLEAR. Because the response IS coming. And you can cover your ears like Cotton and Perdue, but the answer is still going to be the same. ENOUGH.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:03:11am

re: #171 dangerman

im just jumping in so sorry if i missed a detail above

the choices are more than comparing work till 66 and delay ss or take ss now and stop working

another option to consider is take ss early and continue to work. yes you may pay some back in taxes each year.

my eval would be which option maximizes the dollars in your pocket after taxes.

And that’s the nail being hit with the hammer.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:03:13am

re: #166 wheat-dogg

Health is fine. I know about the lower payouts if I claim before full retirement age. It’s just a question of whether i want to keep working until I am 66+.

This is a different situation but I once persuaded an acquaintance to work until she reached full SS retirement age. She was not someone who ever saved money and I wanted her to have sufficient monthly income when she finally retired. For most people, Social Security is their primary (or only) income.

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Old Liberal  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:05:37am

re: #169 Hecuba’s daughter

Doesn’t the break even also depend on inflation? If inflation returns, then you would recover the money in a shorter period.

If SSA increased payments due to inflation, both early and full retirees would get adjust, so no difference. If for some reason they adjust full and not early, then yes. Off the top of my head.
On the issue of losing SS due to making too much income during early retirement, you don’t lose it. At full retirement it is calculated back in to your benefit. See this document, info near bottom on page 6.

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Belafon  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:07:33am

The birds are taking over (Australia):

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wheat-dogg  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:08:19am

re: #180 Hecuba’s daughter

This is a different situation but I once persuaded an acquaintance to work until she reached full SS retirement age. She was not someone who ever saved money and I wanted her to have sufficient monthly income when she finally retired. For most people, Social Security is their primary (or only) income.

I’m grateful that I have the ability to consider options. Many people my age don’t have a choice, because of lack of employment or health issues. I have a job with bennies, a nest egg, and good health. So I can take my time to mull over the decision.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:10:33am

re: #181 Old Liberal

If SSA increased payments due to inflation, both early and full retirees would get adjust, so no difference. If for some reason they adjust full and not early, then yes. Off the top of my head.
On the issue of losing SS due to making too much income during early retirement, you don’t lose it. At full retirement it is calculated back in to your benefit. See this document, info near bottom on page 6.
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Thanks for the ref. I’ll peruse it later on.

Since my pay in Chinese yuan is below the SSA’s monthly cap in $$, I’m not sure I need to worry about excess income. ;-)

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:11:20am

When do they start suggesting that mix salad dressing in your mouth?
“Would you like a nice vinaigrette?…(gargle, gargle)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:11:53am

re: #185 FormerDirtDart

When do they start suggesting that mix salad dressing in your mouth?
“Would you like a nice vinaigrette?…(gargle, gargle)

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It means nothing if I can’t use my teeth to chew on avocado toast.

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Old Liberal  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:12:14am

re: #180 Hecuba’s daughter

This is a different situation but I once persuaded an acquaintance to work until she reached full SS retirement age. She was not someone who ever saved money and I wanted her to have sufficient monthly income when she finally retired. For most people, Social Security is their primary (or only) income.

Sounds like good advice…..wonder if it was my ex wife :)

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wheat-dogg  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:13:14am

re: #185 FormerDirtDart

When do they start suggesting that mix salad dressing in your mouth?
“Would you like a nice vinaigrette?…(gargle, gargle)

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Just when I think we have reached the limits of human stupidity, humans manage to outdo themselves. This is right up there with “raw water” and “deconstructed lattes.”

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Old Liberal  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:15:08am

re: #183 wheat-dogg

I’m grateful that I have the ability to consider options. Many people my age don’t have a choice, because of lack of employment or health issues. I have a job with bennies, a nest egg, and good health. So I can take my time to mull over the decision.

Yes, living outside the U.S. gives one a lot of options (not so much in Normay). A lot of focus is often placed on the income side of the ledger, but not as much on the expense. Reduce expenses/have more money.

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Old Liberal  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:16:46am

re: #184 wheat-dogg

Thanks for the ref. I’ll peruse it later on.

Since my pay in Chinese yuan is below the SSA’s monthly cap in $$, I’m not sure I need to worry about excess income. ;-)

PROOF OF CURRENCY MANIPULATION!!!!!!!!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:19:49am

re: #180 Hecuba’s daughter

This is a different situation but I once persuaded an acquaintance to work until she reached full SS retirement age. She was not someone who ever saved money and I wanted her to have sufficient monthly income when she finally retired. For most people, Social Security is their primary (or only) income.

A few months ago, I was talking to my dad about financial stuff. He may be a wingnut, but in financial matters, he is very prudent. He told me his one regret was that he had messed with his retirement account early in his career, presumably to either make some ends meet or to pay off something, he wasn’t explicit. I’ve been very strict on leaving the money in my retirement account alone so that I wouldn’t have to rely on Social Security like Mrs. Fish’s parents do.

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:20:27am

re: #185 FormerDirtDart

When do they start suggesting that mix salad dressing in your mouth?
“Would you like a nice vinaigrette?…(gargle, gargle)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:20:38am

I’m seeing Trumpers attack DiFi because in the 90’s she made a statement about illegal immigrants. Okay, if you want to play that game, I can point out all the flip flops Trump has made on nearly every issue.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:21:54am

re: #181 Old Liberal

If SSA increased payments due to inflation, both early and full retirees would get adjust, so no difference. If for some reason they adjust full and not early, then yes. Off the top of my head.
On the issue of losing SS due to making too much income during early retirement, you don’t lose it. At full retirement it is calculated back in to your benefit. See this document, info near bottom on page 6.
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The inflation adjustments are a flat percentage of your benefit. Hmmm I would have to take a look on its effect, if any, on the break even point.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:22:00am

re: #190 Old Liberal

PROOF OF CURRENCY MANIPULATION!!!!!!!!

Dollar has been falling relative to the yuan lately, if I understand my forex lingo correctly.
$1 = CNY 6.47 now.
CNY 8 buys me lunch: rice + three sides.

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BlueGrl21  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:22:46am

We live in an area of Houston with many, many African immigrants. 8 of the 11 players on my husband’s basketball team this year are African. This is not unusual.

Over the past 20 years, there have been 2 kids that we genuinely would have adopted. One lives in our spare bedroom when he’s home (he’s in college in Austin), the other plays for the Nigerian National team, a fact he is extremely proud of. Those two are my sons. Period. They will always be our sons and big brothers to my boys. It’s not even the tiniest question.

Fuck Trump. Don’t go after my kids.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:23:50am

re: #146 MsJ

Only if it works! I bypassed Volvo for that reason. Like I said, they’re great cars when you get a good one, truly top of the line. But they have major quality issues and a car that won’t start or run is worthless if you depend on a car.

Yep. My parents got a nice 940GL from a friend who lost her ability to drive and soon after they sold it to me. It was nothing but trouble: two transmissions, constant leaks, electrical problems, you name it. Fortunately, somebody hit me and the damage was more than the car was worth. I was forced to finally give up and take a loan for a newer car.

That Volvo looked great, but….

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:25:25am

re: #188 wheat-dogg

Just when I think we have reached the limits of human stupidity, humans manage to outdo themselves. This is right up there with “raw water” and “deconstructed lattes.”

Apparently it’s become “trendy” to introduce as many pathogens and toxins into your body as possible, because playing Russian Roulette with your health like our ancestors is a “better” kind of life.

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dangerman  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:28:32am

re: #185 FormerDirtDart

When do they start suggesting that mix salad dressing in your mouth?
“Would you like a nice vinaigrette?…(gargle, gargle)

Forget knives, is chopping your food with your teeth the future of food prep?

no it isnt.

next

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:29:31am

re: #196 BlueGrl21

We live in an area of Houston with many, many African immigrants. 8 of the 11 players on my husband’s basketball team this year are African. This is not unusual.

Over the past 20 years, there have been 2 kids that we genuinely would have adopted. One lives in our spare bedroom when he’s home (he’s in college in Austin), the other plays for the Nigerian National team, a fact he is extremely proud of. Those two are my sons. Period. They will always be our sons and big brothers to my boys. It’s not even the tiniest question.

Fuck Trump. Don’t go after my kids.

One of my best friends growing up was from Peru. It didn’t matter to me where he was from, he was just my friend. Same thing with my brother, his best friend who is also his daughter’s Godfather is African-American. We really never saw their backgrounds. They were just our friends. Even in the days where my brother and I fought like dogs in our teenage years, I always admired him because he honestly never thought less of someone because of their race or origin. He just wanted people he had common ground with whether that was music or today an appreciation of nature. No surprise that today he is married to an immigrant and makes friends whenever he travels globally.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:34:05am

re: #198 Targetpractice

Apparently it’s become “trendy” to introduce as many pathogens and toxins into your body as possible, because playing Russian Roulette with your health like our ancestors is a “better” kind of life.

It’s what anti-vaxxers do when they’ve run out of vaccines to refuse. Next up: don’t bother cleaning and bandaging that cut finger. Let your natural immune system deal with the sepsis.

Reminds me of Lester Nygaard in Fargo (TV first season) with his severely infected hand.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:36:11am

I came across a 1971 thesis from an Atlanta University student call “The Condition of the Negro In Meriwether Vindicator, 1873-1910. Of course, the imperative to exclude black citizens from politics was one of the main things that propelled the rise of white supremacy movements at that time (when Confederate monuments were also popping up all over. But this caught my eye:

Another argument used to justify lynching was the fact that they were dealing with a new Negro. Many whites felt that the new Negroes, who never knew the bonds of slavery or were slaves only as children, had neither love or respect for the white race. They seemingly had “no truck”, so to speak, for this type of Negro.

Editor Henry H. Reviii, in the beginning of his famous “Fireside Flashes” gave this excerpt on what was soon to be called the new Negro. His statement exemplified the thinking of the average white man in Meriwether County and throughout the South.

“The ante-bellum—the oldtime negro is rapidly passing and will soon be extinct. His passage from the earthly stage severs the tie that binds the affection of the South to the Negro. The modern buck with his smattering of education, lawlessness and hatred of the whites, and the ebony-hued female with her total lack of moral chastity, and dislike of the superior race, excite an emotion in the Caucasian breast—the antithesis of that entertained for the oldtime Negro.
The state ought to appropriate a sum of money to procure a master to chisel out of sable marble, a true type of the negro of the old South, to be placed in the capital of Georgia. The devotion of the Southern white man for colored mammies and uncles of the olden time will follow the last one of the class into the great beyond.”

The editor, like most white men of that day, could not understand what was taking place before their eyes. He could not understand that
this was a New Negro.

The thesis introduces the idea that the generational shift meant more blacks were appearing without having experienced slavery and the psychological habits that might have come with it. It was essential to suppress them through disenfranchisement, terror, inferior education—any way possible.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:38:55am
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wheat-dogg  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:39:33am

re: #202 Barefoot Grin

How dare they forget being subjugated! We’ll just make their lives miserable every damned day.

And it hasn’t stopped, even a hundred years on.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:42:37am

OK, it’s bed time for me here. See everyone tomorrow (or later today, depending on your time zone).

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:44:28am

Apparently this is the tweet that caught Comrade Glenn’s ire

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:48:48am

re: #203 FormerDirtDart

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Yes, I read that the other day. It was right on then and it’s right on now. I’m not surprised that Trump doesn’t get that. But Lowry? He should know better. He may be a pompous right wing douche but he’s probably at least a well read pompous right wing douche.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:49:04am

re: #206 FormerDirtDart

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Apparently this is the tweet that caught Comrade Glenn’s ire

Ha!

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retired cynic  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:51:44am

re: #203 FormerDirtDart

Hey, he has that expanded at WaPo:

washingtonpost.com

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:53:17am

re: #203 FormerDirtDart

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I’m in a discussion with a wingnut on another board about Trump’s comments, and to my total lack of surprise, her position (in keeping with Faux) is that Trump’s sin was speaking his mind around Democrats because he should have known they’d tell the press. But that he’s right that the countries named are “shitholes” and the comments were totally not racist.

So I pointed out to her that he asked aloud why we’re not encouraging more immigration from white-majority nations like Norway, to which she tried the lame excuse that Norway has a lot of college grads that we’d want in a “merit-based” system like Trump’s asking for.

And so I took the time to quote from the LA Times about how the percentage of immigrants from African nations that have college degrees is not only higher than the US, it’s actually higher than those from Norway. She hasn’t responded back yet, but when she does I expect to get something about “chain migration,” refugees, or “criminal aliens” despite all three being cited after his comments went public as “what he really meant.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:55:25am

We fucked things up in El Salvador during the Reagan years because Reagan and his team knew little about the people in Latin America and nor did they really care, they just cared about sticking it to the Soviets. If you worship the altar of Reagan, shut the hell up about people coming from “shitholes”, your favorite President supported a lot of these policies that have hurt these countries. And Haiti and I appreciate Katz pointing this out to me because I did not know this, nearly every major power refused to trade with them after their independence from the French and they spent many years paying off the French government. Too much of white America has no idea or worse no desire to learn about the history of the countries around us. Maybe if we did, we’d understand why things are the way they are.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:56:07am

re: #210 Targetpractice

I’m in a discussion with a wingnut on another board about Trump’s comments, and to my total lack of surprise, her position (in keeping with Faux) is that Trump’s sin was speaking his mind around Democrats because he should have known they’d tell the press. But that he’s right that the countries named are “shitholes” and the comments were totally not racist.

So I pointed out to her that he asked aloud why we’re not encouraging more immigration from white-majority nations like Norway, to which she tried the lame excuse that Norway has a lot of college grads that we’d want in a “merit-based” system like Trump’s asking for.

And so I took the time to quote from the LA Times about how the percentage of immigrants from African nations that have college degrees is not only higher than the US, it’s actually higher than those from Norway. She hasn’t responded back yet, but when she does I expect to get something about “chain migration,” refugees, or “criminal aliens” despite all three being cited after his comments went public as “what he really meant.”

I pretty much without calling out names called out the Trumpers I know to defend the bullshit. Crickets.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:57:35am

The stupid wingnuts act like we’re just upset about the cursing or the word used. It’s about the meaning behind the words that he has made clear- that he doesn’t think people from those nations are worthy of enjoying the American dream and for that I say fuck him and his cult of supporters.

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darthstar  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:58:43am
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 13, 2018 • 8:59:29am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:02:49am

re: #213 HappyWarrior

The stupid wingnuts act like we’re just upset about the cursing or the word used. It’s about the meaning behind the words that he has made clear- that he doesn’t think people from those nations are worthy of enjoying the American dream and for that I say fuck him and his cult of supporters.

America is the land of opportunity. We are supposed to WELCOME people from shithole countries. He may be right - maybe they are shitholes; I wouldn’t know, I’ve never been there and I’ll admit I am not globally cognizant enough to make that determination. But just saying that people shouldn’t come here because their country isn’t rich and fabulous like the United States, that’s offensive to the very core of American ideals. We welcome EVERYBODY, no matter what (well, except people that want to blow us up), in order to give everyone a chance at the life they desire.

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:03:09am

re: #211 HappyWarrior

We fucked things up in El Salvador during the Reagan years because Reagan and his team knew little about the people in Latin America and nor did they really care, they just cared about sticking it to the Soviets. If you worship the altar of Reagan, shut the hell up about people coming from “shitholes”, your favorite President supported a lot of these policies that have hurt these countries. And Haiti and I appreciate Katz pointing this out to me because I did not know this, nearly every major power refused to trade with them after their independence from the French and they spent many years paying off the French government. Too much of white America has no idea or worse no desire to learn about the history of the countries around us. Maybe if we did, we’d understand why things are the way they are.

The second half of the 20th century was spent by a lot of Western powers trying to regain/retain their empires and punishing (politically, economically, & militarily) all countries that broke away from their rule. And we only exacerbated the matter by supporting various despotic regimes in order to spread our influence globally, proclaiming to do it in the name of “freedom” and “liberty” as we were shoveling money into the coffers of dictators. Now we dub our past victims “developing countries” and play dumb about why its so hard for them to get with the program and act like Europe or North America.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:04:25am

re: #217 Targetpractice

The second half of the 20th century was spent by a lot of Western powers trying to regain/retain their empires and punishing (politically, economically, & militarily) all countries that broke away from their rule. And we only exacerbated the matter by supporting various despotic regimes in order to spread our influence globally, proclaiming to do it in the name of “freedom” and “liberty” as we were shoveling money into the coffers of dictators. Now we dub our past victims “developing countries” and play dumb about why its so hard for them to get with the program and act like Europe or North America.

Yep.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:09:36am

re: #213 HappyWarrior

The stupid wingnuts act like we’re just upset about the cursing or the word used. It’s about the meaning behind the words that he has made clear- that he doesn’t think people from those nations are worthy of enjoying the American dream and for that I say fuck him and his cult of supporters.

My take is that we can not afford to have those who so easily and enthusiastically find contempt for those unlike themselves to lead. They hate too easily to be trusted.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:11:20am
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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:12:09am

Woodward accused of killing Bernstein.

A friend of slain pre-med student Blaze Bernstein was arrested Friday on suspicion of homicide in the death of the University of Pennsylvania sophomore who went missing for a week before his body was discovered in a shallow grave near a Foothill Ranch park.

Samuel Lincoln Woodward, 20, was taken into custody Friday shortly after driving from his home in Newport Beach, said Orange County Undersheriff Don Barnes during a press conference hours later. He had been under surveillance, and a mile and a half into his drive, he was stopped and apprehended.

I know, clickbait. Meth is a helluva drug.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:17:04am

re: #221 Shropshire Slasher

From The Daily Pennsylvanian:
thedp.com
University of Pennsylvania’s Newspaper.

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BeachDem  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:19:59am

re: #183 wheat-dogg

I’m grateful that I have the ability to consider options. Many people my age don’t have a choice, because of lack of employment or health issues. I have a job with bennies, a nest egg, and good health. So I can take my time to mull over the decision.

One more anecdotal story to add to your mulling docket. I was still making pretty decent money in my 60s, and would have owed money back, so I waited till the full amount age. That was the deciding factor—I didn’t “need” the SS $ at 62, so I figured I’d go for the higher amount later on. Now, Medicare I applied for as soon as I could, because being self-employed I had really crappy, really expensive individual insurance.

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sagehen  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:24:52am
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:26:23am
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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:27:45am

re: #196 BlueGrl21

We live in an area of Houston with many, many African immigrants. 8 of the 11 players on my husband’s basketball team this year are African. This is not unusual.

Over the past 20 years, there have been 2 kids that we genuinely would have adopted. One lives in our spare bedroom when he’s home (he’s in college in Austin), the other plays for the Nigerian National team, a fact he is extremely proud of. Those two are my sons. Period. They will always be our sons and big brothers to my boys. It’s not even the tiniest question.

Fuck Trump. Don’t go after my kids.

I think I like your family.

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plansbandc  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:27:50am

I suspect it’s been discussed, but definitely watch Letterman’s Obama interview. It’s very moving.

(Dave’s new show on Netflix, My Next Guest Needs No Introduction.)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:28:26am

re: #225 FormerDirtDart

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Orban, of course.

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scottslemmons  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:28:28am

re: #206 FormerDirtDart

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Apparently this is the tweet that caught Comrade Glenn’s ire

Well, clearly, a racist, sexist, homophobic dictatorship working behind the scenes to destroy democracy worldwide must be the True Leftist Paradise we’ve always wanted!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:30:39am

re: #229 scottslemmons

Well, clearly, a racist, sexist, homophobic dictatorship working behind the scenes to destroy democracy worldwide must be the True Leftist Paradise we’ve always wanted!

Greenwald is such a hack.

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wrenchwench  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:32:05am

From the top:

Watch Jason Isbell & the 400 Unit perform “The Life You Chose” on this Austin City Limits web exclusive! The double feature episode with Jason Isbell and Amanda Shires airs January 13th, 2018 on PBS.

Last Thursday, I killed wisely spent 102 minutes watching (and listening to) this:

Ry Cooder at Nashville

Jason Isbell and Amanda Shires are in it. You’ll have to sit through a half an hour of other fantastic musicians and songwriters (accompanied by Ry Cooder, who is the best one of them all, IMHO) before you get to them. You poor thing.

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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:34:26am

re: #207 HappyWarrior

Yes, I read that the other day. It was right on then and it’s right on now. I’m not surprised that Trump doesn’t get that. But Lowry? He should know better. He may be a pompous right wing douche but he’s probably at least a well read pompous right wing douche.

I’m sure Chuck Todd will have him on tomorrow to explain it all on Meat the Press.

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retired cynic  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:39:48am

We are all appalled by the corporate tax law drop to 15.5%, and the huge hole that helps to blow in our national debt. It seems like that is not the worst of it: there is a loophole (related to a shithole?) that could allow a rate as low as 8%, and if that is used, that hole in the deficit is going to get a LOT bigger.

bobcesca.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2018 • 9:51:10am
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BeachDem  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:15:40am

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Round 2: Joy Reid spits fire in ongoing feud with booted pastor who suggested she ‘just move to Haiti’

rawstory.com

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:16:57am

re: #235 BeachDem

Round 2: Joy Reid spits fire in ongoing feud with booted pastor who suggested she ‘just move to Haiti’

rawstory.com

So why didn’t all the Religious Right asshats who praised Russia and insulted us after Obergefell move there?

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:18:29am
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retired cynic  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:20:04am

re: #237 jaunte

WTF?

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:21:23am
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:21:49am
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jaunte  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:21:51am

re: #238 retired cynic

Apparently iPhones are getting texted missile alerts in Hawaii right now.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:22:21am

re: #237 jaunte

Yahoo search said that there was a test on 12/4.
search.yahoo.com

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:22:40am
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Jay C  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:26:41am

re: #214 darthstar

If Trump’s medical report IS as accurate as most information coming out of the White House, Mike Pence has probably actually been President for several months….

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:27:23am
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:27:37am

re: #243 FormerDirtDart

As per yahoo:
news.search.yahoo.com

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:28:25am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:28:47am

Glad it was a mistake. Phew.

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jaunte  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:30:07am
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Dizzy  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:30:17am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

Glad it was a mistake

I’ve never said this here, but JFC!

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Jay C  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:30:42am

re: #246 PhillyPretzel

As per yahoo:
news.search.yahoo.com

I checked your link, then changed the search parameter to “hawaii missile alert”, and got just one article: one headlined “Trump is Actually Good for Business - the Nuclear Fallout Industry is Booming”.
Hawaii, apparently, is a prime market.
VERY reassuring…..

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:31:59am

re: #251 Jay C

Thanks. One reason to check all links.

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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:32:48am

Anyone find it interesting that in Trump Time a screwed up missile warning message appears?

I don’t…Trump only hires the best people.

At least the message words were spelled properly.

There will be more and more screw-ups. Fucked up administration is fucked up.

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Targetpractice  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:33:48am

Remember the old days when the worst you had to worry about was an alert about a zombie apocalypse?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:40:18am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:42:45am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:43:21am

re: #254 Targetpractice

Remember the old days when the worst you had to worry about was an alert about a zombie apocalypse?

Or the worst conspiracy theory was getting locked up in FEMA camps by UN troops? Or the worst insult the President uttered (to the dismay of many) was “ass”? Good times.//

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:44:04am

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thank G-d that I do not work for Walmart. My kid sister wanted me to work there so she applied for me. I am glad I never was hired by these people.

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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:44:41am

re: #255 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I wonder what the percentage of WalMart workers voted for Trump thinking he was going to Make America Great Again?

Is it too early to yell out: SUCKERS!

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:45:51am

re: #259 ObserverArt

It was not too early when he was nominated.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:46:39am
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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:46:59am

re: #196 BlueGrl21

We live in an area of Houston with many, many African immigrants. 8 of the 11 players on my husband’s basketball team this year are African. This is not unusual.

Over the past 20 years, there have been 2 kids that we genuinely would have adopted. One lives in our spare bedroom when he’s home (he’s in college in Austin), the other plays for the Nigerian National team, a fact he is extremely proud of. Those two are my sons. Period. They will always be our sons and big brothers to my boys. It’s not even the tiniest question.

Fuck Trump. Don’t go after my kids.

Anthony Bourdain had a recent episode of his CNN travel show on Houston, highlighting the immigrant cuisine and culture. And basically threw in a Fuck Trump .

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meteor  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:48:06am

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lol

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:48:45am

The jig is up for Trump and “all the jobs.” Carrier, Wal Mart/Sam’s and other b&m closing, coal plants shutting down because coal can’t compete with natural gas, steel plants in Pennsylvania shutting down, etc. This is all going to bite him in his fat orange ass in in a few months.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:49:18am

Hey guys - I know this has been asked & answered, but i can’t recall.

Which DNA test is the one you do with your sibling (brother, I’m the sis) that gives the best result?

TY

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:49:41am

re: #214 darthstar

What does it say? He is about to keel over?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:49:52am

re: #264 Ace Rothstein

The jig is up for Trump and “all the jobs.” Carrier, Wal Mart/Sam’s and other b&m closing, coal plants shutting down because coal can’t compete with natural gas, steel plants in Pennsylvania shutting down, etc. This is all going to bite him in his fat orange ass in in a few months.

but but BUT…CHRYSLER!!!!

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Stanley Sea  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:52:56am

JFC

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ObserverArt  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:54:47am

re: #264 Ace Rothstein

The jig is up for Trump and “all the jobs.” Carrier, Wal Mart/Sam’s and other b&m closing, coal plants shutting down because coal can’t compete with natural gas, steel plants in Pennsylvania shutting down, etc. This is all going to bite him in his fat orange ass in in a few months.

Want an example of how inexpensive Natural Gas is? AEP Energy is my natural gas supplier. I also have them as my electric supplier too.

They buy such large quantities of natural gas in their now-converted-to-gas generation plants they can offer it to others at rates the other suppliers can’t touch.

And they also allowed me to declare my electric will come from their alternate green energy division using wind and solar…no extra cost. They just ask that you declare it so they can record it being used for marketing and political purposes.

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meteor  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:55:14am

Everton’s defense, that’s terrifying.

Badumbump.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:55:25am

re: #267 Backwoods_Sleuth

In January 2017, the company said it would spend $1 billion to expand factories in Ohio and Michigan, creating 2,000 jobs total.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:55:59am

re: #265 Stanley Sea

Hey guys - I know this has been asked & answered, but i can’t recall.

Which DNA test is the one you do with your sibling (brother, I’m the sis) that gives the best result?

TY

What are you trying to find? Ethnicity or family? If the former 23 and me, If the latter ancestry.com

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Stanley Sea  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:57:15am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

I want both!!!

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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:57:30am

re: #256 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Maxine Waters reclaiming her time!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:57:52am

re: #216 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

But just saying that people shouldn’t come here because their country isn’t rich and fabulous like the United States, that’s offensive to the very core of American ideals. We welcome EVERYBODY, no matter what (well, except people that want to blow us up), in order to give everyone a chance at the life they desire.

I still recall a neighbor kid from when I was growing up (upper middle class, MD suburb of DC) that we don’t need anymore immigrants, “the melting pot is full.” He was probably 13.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 10:59:41am

re: #273 Stanley Sea

I want both!!!

Okay Ancestry is probably the best bet. It’s got the biggest database of users and a lot of ethnic results.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 13, 2018 • 11:00:12am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Okay Ancestry is probably the best bet. It’s got the biggest database of users and a lot of ethnic results.

Cool, thanks!!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 13, 2018 • 11:02:59am

re: #275 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I still recall a neighbor kid from when I was growing up (upper middle class, MD suburb of DC) that we don’t need anymore immigrants, “the melting pot is full.” He was probably 13.

“The melting pot is full.” What the actual fuck. There’s plenty of room left in this country for more people. He’s just got the, “I got mine, so fuck all y’all” mentality going on.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 13, 2018 • 11:04:33am

re: #277 Stanley Sea

Cool, thanks!!

Good luck! Wouldn’t it be wild if we matched?

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BeachDem  Jan 13, 2018 • 11:14:22am

re: #262 BlueSpotinAL

Anthony Bourdain had a recent episode of his CNN travel show on Houston, highlighting the immigrant cuisine and culture. And basically threw in a Fuck Trump .

Top Chef did a segment a few weeks ago at the Comal Heritage Food Incubator in Denver. It was pretty cool.

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BeachDem  Jan 13, 2018 • 11:18:31am

re: #267 Backwoods_Sleuth

but but BUT…CHRYSLER!!!!

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But economic analysts note that the 2,500 jobs Fiat Chrysler plans to create at the Warren Truck Plant lags the auto manufacturing jobs lost in 2017.

freep.com


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