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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 16, 2018 • 8:42:42pm

Are you kidding me? That’s the test?

Test if you belong in an old folks home or not maybe…
cnn.com

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meteor  Jan 16, 2018 • 8:44:17pm

Read the thread. Lmao

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teleskiguy  Jan 16, 2018 • 9:02:32pm

re: #2 meteor

Ol’ Brit deleted his penis tweet. Whatever, dude. The internet is forever.

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teleskiguy  Jan 16, 2018 • 9:10:13pm

It’s absolutely true, people who claim to be conservative in the United States are - by and large - fucking hypocrites. They constantly say something then do another. CONSTANTLY. It’s a given that when Fuckface Von Clownstick confirms or denies anything (“No Collusion!”) he’s lying. He’s just affirming conservative thought writ large in the United States. Fucking hypocrites. Say one thing, do another.

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teleskiguy  Jan 16, 2018 • 9:18:01pm

Flying.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 16, 2018 • 9:19:54pm

re: #2 meteor

Read the thread. Lmao

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A reminder about Brit Hume’s son…

gawker.com

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Renaissance_Man  Jan 16, 2018 • 9:20:52pm

re: #1 Unshaken Defiance

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Test if you belong in an old folks home or not maybe…
cnn.com

Like I said, it’s to test acute delirium or confusion, as in ‘safe to discharge from the ICU’ or ‘safe enough to be left unsupervised in a room’ level of confusion. It does not assess dementia.

Which Trump clearly has.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2018 • 9:27:01pm

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 16, 2018 • 9:28:47pm

Left over on the end of the last thread …

I’m back after a few days of mourning. Village board meeting tonight, contentious discussions about voting for pay for board members (we currently don’t get paid).

The county attorney was in an accident in the county seat in his Smart car at one of the unsigned intersections of their dirt streets - his Smart car was t-boned and totalled. I now have the only Smart car in the Panhandle.

As far as guessing weight, I have no clue. I’m 5’10” and 115# so much more than that I just say “heavier than me.”

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teleskiguy  Jan 16, 2018 • 9:30:24pm

re: #9 Anymouse 🌹

As far as guessing weight, I have no clue. I’m 5’10” and 115# so much more than that I just say “heavier than me.”

Lanky motherfucker.

I say this with utmost love.

With that said, there are a lot of tall male Lizards out there.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 16, 2018 • 9:31:28pm

re: #1 Unshaken Defiance

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Test if you belong in an old folks home or not maybe…
cnn.com

Hey, they leaked Mr. Marmaladeface’s Test Paper!

Wow! What A Genius!
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jaunte  Jan 16, 2018 • 9:33:31pm

re: #11 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m going to speculate he got distracted by the word “Executive” on the first question and had to get help understanding the sequence.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 16, 2018 • 9:34:27pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

Lanky motherfucker.

I say this with utmost love.

With that said, there are a lot of tall male Lizards out there.

Well, other than the particular differences between women and men, many people say I am a carbon-copy of my mother (she is the same height and weight, and we look remarkably similar in appearance).

Perhaps I was cloned or something.

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teleskiguy  Jan 16, 2018 • 9:39:53pm

re: #13 Anymouse 🌹

Well, other than the particular differences between women and men, many people say I am a carbon-copy of my mother (she is the same height and weight, and we look remarkably similar in appearance).

Perhaps I was cloned or something.

I am definitely an amalgamation of my mom and dad. I look like my dad, have the personality of my mom, and I also look like my mom and have the personality of my dad. You dig?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 16, 2018 • 9:42:03pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 16, 2018 • 9:58:08pm

A local CBS station in California is reporting on this “New California” nonsense as well.

sacramento.cbslocal.com

SACRAMENTO (CBS13) — With the reading of their own version of a Declaration of Independence, founders of the state of New California took the first steps to what they hope will eventually lead to statehood.
To be clear, they don’t want to leave the United States, just California.
“Well, it’s been ungovernable for a long time. High taxes, education, you name it, and we’re rated around 48th or 50th from a business climate and standpoint in California,” said founder Robert Paul Preston.

(more, with video report)

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Kragar  Jan 16, 2018 • 10:07:51pm

re: #16 Anymouse 🌹

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Kragar  Jan 16, 2018 • 10:09:44pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 16, 2018 • 10:11:25pm

re: #16 Anymouse 🌹

A local CBS station in California is reporting on this “New California” nonsense as well.

sacramento.cbslocal.com

(more, with video report)

Anymouse, this is going to wind up in the trash heap the same way Tim Draper’s plan to split California into six states.

Now Draper is back with another plan to split California into 3 states. But that will fail.

And the secession movement collapsed when it split into two factions with one clearly under the control of Putin…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 16, 2018 • 10:18:32pm

re: #19 Joe Bacon 🌹

Anymouse, this is going to wind up in the trash heap the same way Tim Draper’s plan to split California into six states.

Now Draper is back with another plan to split California into 3 states. But that will fail.

And the secession movement collapsed when it split into two factions with one clearly under the control of Putin…

And the huge crowd in the video at that “independence declaration” looked like no more than a dozen people.

They were complaining about the state being “ungovernable” and having high taxes. Sounds a lot like SovCit nonsense to me.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 16, 2018 • 10:24:24pm

re: #20 Anymouse 🌹

And the huge crowd in the video at that “independence declaration” looked like no more than a dozen people.

They were complaining about the state being “ungovernable” and having high taxes. Sounds a lot like SovCit nonsense to me.

We have high taxes so we don’t become a shithole like red states.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 16, 2018 • 10:26:35pm

Liz Crokin declares Oprah Winfrey to be the Antichrist, part of the “New World Order,” and part of the “Bill Gates Depopulation Club”

NSFW for coarse language (goes to Utah Outcasts)

Oprah Winfrey is the Antichrist According to Liz Crokin

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Targetpractice  Jan 16, 2018 • 10:28:50pm

The “New California” nimrods are on the same level as the “Republic of Texas” ones: ”We want to get rid of all the taxes, the high government spending, and the government regulations…but please don’t take away our subsidies and entitlements!”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2018 • 10:36:33pm

re: #23 Targetpractice

Or those RWNJ idiots who wanted to build “The Citadel” a few years back.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Jan 16, 2018 • 10:37:18pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

Lanky motherfucker.

I say this with utmost love.

With that said, there are a lot of tall male Lizards out there.

I believe the technical term is “scrawny”.

(ObDisclaimer: 6’0” 210lbs and feeling it.)

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Targetpractice  Jan 16, 2018 • 10:37:53pm

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

Or those RWNJ idiots who wanted to build “The Citadel” a few years back.

Oh, you mean the wannabe Rapture that was gonna be a Libertarian utopia, but dropped off the radar in less than 2 months?

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teleskiguy  Jan 16, 2018 • 10:39:28pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 16, 2018 • 10:41:56pm

re: #27 teleskiguy

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A bobcat without a green card.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 16, 2018 • 11:10:57pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

That’d be it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 16, 2018 • 11:41:58pm

I’m going to retire for the night.

Keep a light on for the Republic for me… .

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 17, 2018 • 12:53:29am
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Ace-o-aces  Jan 17, 2018 • 12:55:02am
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Dave In Austin  Jan 17, 2018 • 1:02:39am
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2018 • 1:06:12am

re: #18 Kragar

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It’s such a stupid idea that it’s not surprising at all that Russia is behind it.

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freetoken  Jan 17, 2018 • 1:11:13am

re: #33 Dave In Austin

Democrats grab key Wisconsin Senate seat in Tuesday’s special elections

[…]

Schachtner said once she joins the Senate she hopes to focus on improving access to health care and helping drug addicts get treatment.

She sidestepped a question about whether she thought opposition to President Donald Trump helped her win.

[…]

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2018 • 1:53:29am

re: #35 freetoken

Yay!!!

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freetoken  Jan 17, 2018 • 1:57:27am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2018 • 2:59:05am

Today is Betty White’s 96th birthday.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2018 • 3:52:51am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2018 • 3:59:22am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2018 • 4:01:48am

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

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meteor  Jan 17, 2018 • 4:07:08am

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

Lmao

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2018 • 4:11:26am
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jeffreyw  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:04:12am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Dave In Austin  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:11:04am

9’ outside Austin TX this morning. The wood stove is working for everything it’s got.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:16:31am

re: #46 Dave In Austin

9’ outside Austin TX this morning. The wood stove is working for everything it’s got.

nine feet of snow?

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Dave In Austin  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:24:29am

I use the apost. for degrees.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:25:44am

re: #47 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

nine feet of snow?

nine degrees Farenheit?

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Dave In Austin  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:28:06am

Yes Sir. It’s colder than I’ve ever seen it here.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:28:54am
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lizardofid  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:29:57am

re: #50 Dave In Austin

Yes Sir. It’s colder than I’ve ever seen it here.

A few degrees colder than us, 30 miles or so east of Dallas.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:30:51am

Yow. Have not seen cold like that since I left Moscow, here on the Rhine it rarely gets down into single digits. Snowing today, though, but just a light dusting.

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lizardofid  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:31:35am

re: #51 Dave In Austin

He asking about the possibility of a bed pan?

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:36:32am

re: #50 Dave In Austin

Yes Sir. It’s colder than I’ve ever seen it here.

But global warming is just a figment of our collective imagination and a Chinese hoax to boot.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:37:37am

re: #54 lizardofid

You really don’t understand. Poor Tucker has always had problems adjusting to life. He’s 9 now and we continue to work with him and love him despite his foibles..

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:38:16am

Who’s going to cause the shutdown:

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:39:22am

re: #52 lizardofid

A few degrees colder than us, 30 miles or so east of Dallas.

Where are you? I’m in Rockwall.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:40:50am

re: #33 Dave In Austin

Too fuckin’ late, Scott. We’re coming.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:42:22am

re: #57 Belafon

Who’s going to cause the shutdown:

the Democrats, of course; by opposing it, they are compelling the GOP to support it

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lizardofid  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:42:27am

re: #58 Belafon

We’re in the very south east corner of Dallas County.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:50:46am

re: #56 Dave In Austin

That’s what my indoor cats do when they get out for a while. Time to go in, need to use the litter box.

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nowherenorth2  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:53:56am

Flipping through the old news sources while waiting for a client to get ready for school and CNN continues to dissect the democratic party and examine what THEY would like to do.
Maybe just maybe…some new articles besides praising republican legislation while being critical of them, besides trump voters and why they voted for trump, and besides the democratic party and what every tom dick and harry thinks the party should and what Bernie Sanders opinion on it is.

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dangerman  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:57:40am

re: #35 freetoken

Democrats grab key Wisconsin Senate seat in Tuesday’s special elections

It’s been 17 years held by a republican and I understand a 10 point win and 27 point swing compared to Trump over clinton results

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Dave In Austin  Jan 17, 2018 • 5:59:04am

WTF did I just see on MSNBC?? Holy Shit.

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nowherenorth2  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:00:24am

re: #65 Dave In Austin

What happenwd man

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:00:50am

re: #65 Dave In Austin

Bannon to cooperate with Mueller?

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lizardofid  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:01:24am

re: #53 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yow. Have not seen cold like that since I left Moscow, here on the Rhine it rarely gets down into single digits. Snowing today, though, but just a light dusting.

I take it you benefit from the north atlantic thermohaline circulation ?

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:02:42am

re: #67 Ace Rothstein

Would you argue with the man holding the hammer?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:08:46am

re: #68 lizardofid

I take it you benefit from the north atlantic thermohaline circulation ?

yes, farther East and south of here the climate tends a bit more continental, but the Rhineland is quite temperate.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:08:59am

They did a bit from a Female HLN host on some case of false representation of Sexual assault or harassment. It was stunning. I think this is was regarding Aziz Ansari.
huffingtonpost.com

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:10:08am

re: #71 Dave In Austin

“Get blue balls, not blackballed.”

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Dave In Austin  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:10:40am

This is it.

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piratedan  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:10:44am

to be honest, it’s fine with me if the physical reports are what they are… to me it just doesn’t matter. For the sake of argument, say he is 239 and is in perfect cognitive health. What does that say even if he is operating at his peak.

His peak still sucks..

he still is lazy…. physically and intellectually…

he still has an infantile grasp of the world, politics, people.. the reported “decline” of his physical and mental condition did nothing but give shade for the bad behavior and the heinous GOP agenda

he’s still Donald Motherfucking Trump, the same lying, racist duplicitous bastard he always was surrounded by people that are just as deplorable as he is..

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:10:46am

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

the Democrats, of course; by opposing it, they are compelling the GOP to support it

Actually, it’s worse: It would be the Democrats fault because, since they support keeping the government open, the super-conservatives are forced to openly oppose whatever is being proposed.

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lizardofid  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:11:55am

re: #70 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

yes, farther East and south of here the climate tends a bit more continental, but the Rhineland is quite temperate.

On behalf of the rest of the planet, let me say, we hope it holds.

; )

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:13:38am

re: #76 lizardofid

On behalf of the rest of the planet, let me say, we hope it holds.

; )

It would wreak havoc with the wine, yes…

as it is, they are now able to grow a lot more varieties of wine here, used to be mainly riesling that thrived here, but now pinots and sauvignons are doing well

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:15:59am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Don’t forget those delicious up and coming Chinese wines. Hardly makes you go blind!
//

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nowherenorth2  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:19:32am

re: #73 Dave In Austin

Did you see the nyt op ed piece about this and Aziz? Basically stated that aziz is guilty of not being able to read minds.

My hand hit my forehead so hard

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Sir John Barron  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:19:41am

re: #57 Belafon

WASHINGTON (AP) - House conservatives say there are enough Republican opponents to reject GOP leaders’ plan to prevent government shutdown.

— Zeke Miller

Another reading of this would be something like:

House conservatives say there are enough conservative opponents to reject conservative leaders plan to prevent government shutdown.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:21:48am

re: #78 Shropshire Slasher

Don’t forget those delicious up and coming Chinese wines. Hardly makes you go blind!
//

Monty Python on Australian table wines.

Actually, they are turning out good stuff and one of my absolute favorites is Cloudy Bay from New Zealand.

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makeitstop  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:22:33am

re: #57 Belafon

Who’s going to cause the shutdown:

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That’s some seriously crappy phrasing.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:25:46am

re: #33 Dave In Austin

Surprised Scott isn’t downplaying this.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:26:03am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:28:16am

wisdom from FB

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:30:04am

re: #85 I Would Prefer Not To

If it came down to a choice between the DT and Oprah, then I would definitely support Oprah, but I would prefer to see neither on the ballot.

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freetoken  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:30:42am

re: #85 I Would Prefer Not To

The Murdochs are wealthier than ever.

Selling the movie/TV portions of Fox to Disney is being done via stock transfer. The Murdochs will be the largest Disney shareholders, even more so than the Jobs estate.

Oprah giving the Murdochs billions of dollars will not help anything.

Murdoch did not invent the bigotry and atavism which he exploits for money. He figured out how to maximize its money-making potential, more so than his predecessors.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:31:32am

re: #74 piratedan

to be honest, it’s fine with me if the physical reports are what they are… to me it just doesn’t matter. For the sake of argument, say he is 239 and is in perfect cognitive health. What does that say even if he is operating at his peak.

His peak still sucks..

he still is lazy…. physically and intellectually…

he still has an infantile grasp of the world, politics, people.. the reported “decline” of his physical and mental condition did nothing but give shade for the bad behavior and the heinous GOP agenda

he’s still Donald Motherfucking Trump, the same lying, racist duplicitous bastard he always was surrounded by people that are just as deplorable as he is..

I have a real conflict. It’s important to me to not wish anyone ill. That’s just unhealthy for the mind. I’ve been breaking that rule a lot lately. Maybe it’s time to step back a tiny bit.

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makeitstop  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:31:47am

re: #83 Sir John Barron

Surprised Scott isn’t downplaying this.

He’s freaking out. Or at least he was when the final results came in.

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Lupin  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:32:36am

Trump Fans Threaten Psychologist Who Warned Trump Was Inciting Violence

Daily Beast

Disgusting.

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Lupin  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:36:11am

re: #74 piratedan

to be honest, it’s fine with me if the physical reports are what they are… to me it just doesn’t matter. For the sake of argument, say he is 239 and is in perfect cognitive health. What does that say even if he is operating at his peak.

His peak still sucks..

he still is lazy…. physically and intellectually…

he still has an infantile grasp of the world, politics, people.. the reported “decline” of his physical and mental condition did nothing but give shade for the bad behavior and the heinous GOP agenda

he’s still Donald Motherfucking Trump, the same lying, racist duplicitous bastard he always was surrounded by people that are just as deplorable as he is..

Unless I’m mistaken, there was no MRI; he could still have a brain tumor like the President in MADAME SECRETARY, that would affect his cognitive abilities.

Just watching him talk now, vs videos taken 10 years ago or less; it’s obvious there’s something wrong with him.

Also his weight seems to be underestimated, judging by what we see.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:38:46am

look at the degree of bickering over the President’s physical health, which is a lot easier to objectively quantify than mental health and you will see why a discussion of DT’s mental health is fairly pointless

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:43:17am

re: #92 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

look at the degree of bickering over the President’s physical health, which is a lot easier to objectively quantify than mental health and you will see why a discussion of DT’s mental health is fairly pointless

I told my family the other day, we will never remove a president from office for senility.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:45:19am

re: #89 makeitstop

He’s freaking out. Or at least he was when the final results came in.

I think a few percentage points are due to Republicans voting for the Democrat. A majority, I believe, is more than just the Democratic base finally getting out to vote.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:45:32am

re: #89 makeitstop

He’s freaking out. Or at least he was when the final results came in.

Cue the “Welfare recipients/college students/renters shouldn’t vote”

/

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:47:03am

re: #16 Anymouse 🌹

A local CBS station in California is reporting on this “New California” nonsense as well.

sacramento.cbslocal.com

(more, with video report)

Sacramento is the heart of this. I have a friend who lives there and is full throatedly on board. I was kinda shocked when we had a discussion once and discovered how, uhm, odd his thinking is. (And this was a couple of years ago.) And this is a guy who loves to travel overseas, is pretty smart…it totally boggled my mind.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:47:14am

re: #95 Sir John Barron

Cue the “Welfare recipients/college students/renters shouldn’t vote”

/

Which, Scott might realize, didn’t keep Alabama from electing a Democrat.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:48:03am

re: #95 Sir John Barron

Cue the “Welfare recipients/college students/renters shouldn’t vote”

/

if that is the case, then please be consistent: anybody who receives a direct or indirect government benefit without performing a specific service in exchange should be excluded from the voting rolls…

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A Mom Anon  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:51:52am

re: #92 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We don’t, as a society, discuss issues of mental health effectively at ALL. Which is making this particular situation even worse. We don’t have enough hospital beds, facilities or even practitioners to handle the need. If you’re rich, you can get access to better help, but the rest of us, not so much. Even if you’re rich and too proud or ashamed to get help, the help is still there.

All of us age, some better than others. And honestly, if he wasn’t a fucking selfish asshole with seriously shitty health habits, Trump wouldn’t be any different than any other person in their 70s, with memory loss, slowing down physically, etc. Why the wingnuts have trouble with this concept I have no idea, I guess it’s more of a reality problem than anything else.

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:53:52am

re: #33 Dave In Austin

What was better than Scott Walker’s original tweet (that you posted) was the follow up’s every two minutes that started with “WAKE UP CALL:” and there were several. That’s some serious fear there. I don’t think Scotty is going to skate into a third term. And he knows it. Losing a solidly GOP stronghold (won by trump in double digits and romney before him). The GOP is in trouble. And if Dems take over the legislature, they can fix the awful gerrymandering.

Wisconsin is such a disappointment to me. After 9/11, WI was the number 1 state in donations and outreach and caring. Then the GOP took over and turned them into I don’t know what.

This woman won the district by being true to who she was…a hunter who wasn’t a “raging liberal” (according to the Milwaukee paper I read this morning) whose message was kindness, caring and positive. Even the last minute attack ads didn’t help the GOP (likely turned off more people than anything). She said nothing against (or for) trump. She didn’t attack. She reached out to the underlying goodness of people in her district. Good on her.

American’s are getting sick of assholes. They see more and more of trumpism and go FUCK NO! THIS IS NOT US!

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:55:57am

cnn.com

CNN dutifully relays Trump hogwash on Executive Time to push back on his indolence. Who doesn’t think that Executive Time is as much about running his companies as communicating with congress people and foreign leaders?

Another thought: David Cay Johnston last night on MSNBC in touting his new book called the administration the ‘termite administration.’ While we quibble about Trump’s diet the legion of ‘termites’ sent out across the bureaucracy from the beginning of the term is slowly eating away at the foundations of our federal government and there’s fuck-all we can do to stop the damage.

Happy Wednesday!

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:57:36am

re: #90 Lupin

Trump Fans Threaten Psychologist Who Warned Trump Was Inciting Violence

Daily Beast

Disgusting.

So if threats of violence are going to cause Trump’s critics to step down, where does that leave this country? Are those on our side going to withdraw from resisting because some yahoos threaten them or are we going to fight back and keep up the pressure on this dangerous regime? This is very frustrating to hear.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 17, 2018 • 6:58:35am

Shocked, shocked I say…
You know what might help, health care

“… The study finds that recruits from Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas “are significantly less fit, and consequently are more likely to encounter training-related injuries [TRI] than recruits from other U.S. states.”

Although the South is the top recruiting region, the study, based on U.S. Army data, shows that “male and female soldiers coming from these states are 22 to 28 percent more likely to be injured” in training. (FDD: that’s an awful lot)

The study was released by the Citadel, the military school in Charleston, South Carolina, in collaboration with the U.S. Army Public Health Center and the American Heart Association.

“Our results suggest that the [Southern] states identified here pose a greater threat to military readiness than do other states,” the study says. …”

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:03:04am
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Lupin  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:03:29am

re: #102 Patricia Kayden

So if threats of violence are going to cause Trump’s critics to step down, where does that leave this country? Are those on our side going to withdraw from resisting because some yahoos threaten them or are we going to fight back and keep up the pressure on this dangerous regime? This is very frustrating to hear.

Couldn’t agree more. We should confront those nazis head on.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:03:42am

re: #89 makeitstop

So sad when your voter suppression tactics don’t work for you.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:04:23am

re: #99 A Mom Anon

All of us age, some better than others. And honestly, if he wasn’t a fucking selfish asshole with seriously shitty health habits, Trump wouldn’t be any different than any other person in their 70s, with memory loss, slowing down physically, etc. Why the wingnuts have trouble with this concept I have no idea, I guess it’s more of a reality problem than anything else.

He cannot be anything but superlative: The best, the healthiest, the least racist, the most, the baddest, with the biggest button…

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:07:15am

re: #105 Lupin

Couldn’t agree more. We should confront those nazis head on.

It could have started with Janet Napolitano, but she and the Obama administration backed down.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:13:34am

re: #108 Barefoot Grin

Well, that may be true but it must start now. We have a literal White Supremacist in the White House making policies which impact millions of people here and abroad. No backing down.

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Danack  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:13:57am

I think someone else posted it, but it’s worth drawing people’s attention to this bit of new about Bannon again: thedailybeast.com

But executive privilege—the president’s right to keep certain information from the public so he can have frank conversations with aides—will not keep Steve Bannon from sharing information with special counsel Robert Mueller’s team, according to a person familiar with the situation.

“Mueller will hear everything Bannon has to say,” said the source, who is familiar with Bannon’s thinking.

So some speculation….

* Bannon knows at least some of the illegal activity during the campaign, and has some awareness of the illegal financial activities of Trump and Jared Kushner

* Bannon was probably smart enough to stay clear of anything that is obviously illegal, or at least keep his distance for plausible deniability.

* Bannon has never really like Jared Kushner all that much, due mostly to Bannon’s racism. Although Bannon would likely lie to feds investigating the case, if he though it would cover up anything illegal Banon had done, he’s not going to lie to cover up Jareds and Trumps crimes.

* After being fired and publically criticised by Trump, any desire to help them cover up their crimes has probably faded, and probably turned into wanting to get revenge at least on Jared.

* Bannon is probably aware of what Nunnes is guilty of….and aware that anything that he said to the intelligence committee would be passed onto Trump before Bannon had left the building.

If he does testify to Mueller that’s pretty much the start of the end. Mueller can then interview any of Jared, Trump, Nunes, or Trump’s children, and have someone who is willing to testify that they’re lying, if they tell a lie.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:14:31am

re: #87 freetoken

Ugh, a Murdoch run Disney…

The Next Avengers movie features our heroes fighting a demented Villain and his army of illegal Mexican immigrants.

On this weeks episode of Mickey Mouse Clubhouse, Mickey and Donald join the Tea Party and don’t miss the new trailer for Star Wars Episode X: Make the Empire Great Again!

PROGRAMMING NOTE: All showings of Pocahontas, Aladdin and Moana are cancelled until further notice.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:19:09am

re: #110 Danack

I think someone else posted it, but it’s worth drawing people’s attention to this bit of new about Bannon again: thedailybeast.com

I think Müller wants to get people testifying under oath to things that are so inconsistent and mutually exclusive that he is setting someone up for perjury.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:19:10am

re: #97 Belafon

Which, Scott might realize, didn’t keep Alabama from electing a Democrat.

Yeah but that was because Soros bussing in millions of illegals and Muslims.

///

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:21:02am

re: #108 Barefoot Grin

It could have started with Janet Napolitano, but she and the Obama administration backed down.

Yep it sucked because DHS correctly identified that veterans would be targeted by these groups for recruitment and the GOP turned it into Obama hates vets.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:22:26am

So do you pronounce the Special Counsels name Mull-err or Mew-lur? I’ve heard both.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:23:36am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:24:09am

re: #115 Eclectic Cyborg

So do you pronounce the Special Counsels name Mull-err or Mew-lur? I’ve heard both.

latter is closer to the original German

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:24:20am

Coming soon to a city near you (well, not really).

It is pretty neat how concrete pipes are made, and a really pain in the ass to set without getting a belly in them on large back-fills under road ways:

How It’s Made Concrete pipes

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:24:23am

re: #115 Eclectic Cyborg

So do you pronounce the Special Counsels name Mull-err or Mew-lur? I’ve heard both.

Mull-err is how he says his name. I’ve seen people with the surname say Mew-lur though. I’m not sure how it is in German.

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:24:27am

Ah….so sweet.

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:25:25am

re: #115 Eclectic Cyborg

So do you pronounce the Special Counsels name Mull-err or Mew-lur? I’ve heard both.

The former. I haven’t ever heard the latter.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:25:43am

re: #100 MsJ

This woman won the district by being true to who she was…a hunter who wasn’t a “raging liberal” (according to the Milwaukee paper I read this morning) whose message was kindness, caring and positive. Even the last minute attack ads didn’t help the GOP (likely turned off more people than anything). She said nothing against (or for) trump. She didn’t attack. She reached out to the underlying goodness of people in her district. Good on her.

Yeah, there are more subtle ways of messaging that can be effective.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:26:11am

re: #73 Dave In Austin

This is it.

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That was posted yesterday or the day before.
Metafilter has a roundup of various opinions on this.
metafilter.com

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ThomasLite  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:30:32am

re: #119 HappyWarrior

Mull-err is how he says his name. I’ve seen people with the surname say Mew-lur though. I’m not sure how it is in German.

Mew-lur would be the most probable in German.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:31:15am

re: #119 HappyWarrior

Mull-err is how he says his name. I’ve seen people with the surname say Mew-lur though. I’m not sure how it is in German.

Müller, a common surname: Miller.

Common because millers always had enough food in the house and more of their children survived than in other families…

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:31:52am

re: #19 Joe Bacon 🌹

Anymouse, this is going to wind up in the trash heap the same way Tim Draper’s plan to split California into six states.

Now Draper is back with another plan to split California into 3 states. But that will fail.

And the secession movement collapsed when it split into two factions with one clearly under the control of Putin…

Seems Cali has more of a Russian problem than an illegal Mexican problem.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:32:39am

re: #124 ThomasLite

Mew-lur would be the most probable in German.

Danke, thought so.

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makeitstop  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:32:47am

re: #110 Danack

* Bannon is probably aware of what Nunnes is guilty of….and aware that anything that he said to the intelligence committee would be passed onto Trump before Bannon had left the building.

If he does testify to Mueller that’s pretty much the start of the end. Mueller can then interview any of Jared, Trump, Nunes, or Trump’s children, and have someone who is willing to testify that they’re lying, if they tell a lie.

That was my first thought, too - whatever Bannon said in that hearing would get to Trump post-haste.

Nunes is up to his ass in the conspiracy. It’s fucking obvious. That’s why when the FBI went to the Hill last week, Nunes was not invited to the meeting.

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:33:51am

Every fucking day.

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William Lewis  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:33:53am

re: #118 Shropshire Slasher

Can I get 2? One to live in & one next door for storage?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:34:22am

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Müller, a common surname: Miller.

Common because millers always had enough food in the house and more of their children survived than in other families…

Yep it’s very common. I have a very common German name in my family line- Schwarz- Black. It’s amazing how Muller sounds close to Miller but Schwarz sounds nothing like Black.

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dangerman  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:34:37am

re: #122 Sir John Barron

Yeah, there are more subtle ways of messaging that can be effective.

sometimes you only have to be an example and let the contrast speak for itself

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:36:22am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Yep it’s very common. I have a very common German name in my family line- Schwarz- Black. It’s amazing how Muller sounds close to Miller but Schwarz sounds nothing like Black.

but we do have the word “swarthy”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:37:12am

re: #129 MsJ

Every fucking day.

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You know what, don’t get involved in medicine if you have moral objections to certain procedures.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:37:48am

re: #133 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

but we do have the word “swarthy”

Yeah we do. Never thought about that.

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Lupin  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:39:27am

US Reportedly Weighing Using Nukes In Response To ‘Large Cyberattacks.’

HuffPost

You guys are now scaring us all more than the USSR ever did.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:40:58am

re: #109 Patricia Kayden

Well, that may be true but it must start now. We have a literal White Supremacist in the White House making policies which impact millions of people here and abroad. No backing down.

This is very true. Thanks.

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:41:03am

I hate the new reality of agreeing with the people that brought us these new republicans.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:41:20am

re: #136 Lupin

US Reportedly Weighing Using Nukes In Response To ‘Large Cyberattacks.’

HuffPost

You guys are now scaring us all more than the USSR ever did.

Yeah, saw that last night. Sigh. So short sighted.

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:42:17am

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Morning!

People here in Ohio apparently saw that meteor too. There was cell phone video from someone on NBC 4 this morning. That sucker was bright.

By the way, I haven’t gone down through the thread. Dan Patrick read a news report on his show that South Korea and North Korea have reached an agreement for their two women’s hockey teams to march under a unified flag in the Olympics opening ceremony. Didn’t catch all the details.

This is a good thing. Any thawing is good. Maybe they can work something further out of this.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:43:01am

re: #121 MsJ

The former. I haven’t ever heard the latter.

Preet Bharara on his podcast always stops people who call in and pronounce it “Mew-ler” to correct them, noting “I’m one who has dealt with a fair amount of mispronunciation, so maybe I’m extra sensitive.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:44:06am

re: #138 MsJ

I hate the new reality of agreeing with the people that brought us these new republicans.

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That may be one of the worst things he’s done. I really wanted to think Mitt Romney was the worst person the GOP base would nominate for President. Now? I don’t even know anymore. That party is lost to me. Its supporters? No different from BNP, UKIO, FN, Golden Dawn, Jobbnik, etc.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:45:18am

re: #129 MsJ

Every fucking day.

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:45:31am

re: #45 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Jeffrey’s Fly-in Diner.

It’s a popular spot in the winter.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:48:26am

re: #92 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

look at the degree of bickering over the President’s physical health, which is a lot easier to objectively quantify than mental health and you will see why a discussion of DT’s mental health is fairly pointless

Some want him to be healthy so badly, desperate to spite the critics. Others want him out so badly they are inclined to grasp at almost anything that points to getting Trump out. I’m in the latter category. But gotta try to keep a level head among all the noise.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:48:41am

re: #138 MsJ

I hate the new reality of agreeing with the people that brought us these new republicans.

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I’m just happy they’re not on the Trump-trainwreck. The populist wave Bannon hoped would put us on the wrong track for decades has already broken and is receding.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:49:21am

When do attorneys get protections from having moral objections to defending criminals because that’s where this is going. Have your beliefs, but if they get away if your job, either swallow your pride or find a new line of work.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:50:30am

re: #144 ObserverArt

Jeffrey’s Fly-in Diner.

It’s a popular spot in the winter.

Spike Milligan - There’s a Fly in My Soup

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:50:32am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:51:45am

re: #149 The Vicious Babushka

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What right wing antisemitism.

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ThomasLite  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:53:43am

re: #147 HappyWarrior

When do attorneys get protections from having moral objections to defending criminals because that’s where this is going. Have your beliefs, but if they get away if your job, either swallow your pride or find a new line of work.

Don’t they, though? The leeway in refusing a client is pretty damn broad, certainly for criminal defence attorneys.

edit and last I heard, “I don’t feel I can properly, wholeheartedly represent this client” still stood a good chance at getting permission to fire a client you’d already accepted (which is a damn sight harder than just refusing a client, as it should be).

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:54:13am

re: #86 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If it came down to a choice between the DT and Oprah, then I would definitely support Oprah, but I would prefer to see neither on the ballot.

But you’d support Oprah buying Fox News though, right?

Let’s stick to the positive thinking of that tweet Wendell. Plenty of time for worrying about the elections later. : )

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:54:14am

Nice catch from FB friend on Trump

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:55:18am

re: #151 ThomasLite

Don’t they, though? The leeway in refusing a client is pretty damn broad, certainly for criminal defence attorneys.

Yeah but it’s not a government protection. It’s not the pick and choose morality we’re seeing here.

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Lupin  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:57:12am

re: #139 HappyWarrior

Yeah, saw that last night. Sigh. So short sighted.

“short-sighted” isn’t quite the word I’d use. “Insane” and “criminal” are closer to my thoughts.

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:57:26am

re: #153 Barefoot Grin

HA! Punctuation matters.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:57:57am

re: #155 Lupin

“short-sighted” isn’t quite the word I’d use. “Insane” and “criminal” are closer to my thoughts.

Yeah that too. I wish I knew wtf is going on in my country. It sucks.

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Old Liberal  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:58:57am

re: #102 Patricia Kayden

So if threats of violence are going to cause Trump’s critics to step down, where does that leave this country? Are those on our side going to withdraw from resisting because some yahoos threaten them or are we going to fight back and keep up the pressure on this dangerous regime? This is very frustrating to hear.

Just catching up on the thread…..the article says the meeting was put off because they didn’t have an adequate security plan in place in view of the threats of violence. Put together a security plan, go after those who made threats since that is criminal, have the meeting. Keep on.

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ThomasLite  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:59:35am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Yeah but it’s not a government protection. It’s not the pick and choose morality we’re seeing here.

Those goalposts, they’re moving. Anyway, you’re way off there. The legal profession is remarkably strictly regulated (something about a government-mandated monopolized organisation) and it’s profoundly disingenuous to argue that the bounds on acceptable professional behaviour as an attorney are not government mandated, when those parts that are not mandated by aforementioned government-granted monopoly are mandated directly by the courts.

Really, you need another parallel here. This one isn’t going to fly.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:00:47am

re: #159 ThomasLite

Those goalposts, they’re moving. Anyway, you’re way off there. The legal profession is remarkably strictly regulated (something about a government-mandated monopolized organisation) and it’s profoundly disingenuous to argue that the bounds on acceptable professional behaviour as an attorney are not government mandated, when those parts that are not mandated by aforementioned government-granted monopoly are mandated directly by the courts.

Really, you need another parallel here. This one isn’t going to fly.

Okay fair enough. I retract.

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Lupin  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:03:29am

re: #157 HappyWarrior

Yeah that too. I wish I knew wtf is going on in my country. It sucks.

At the risk of comparing apples and oranges, I was in Moscow the first year of Gorbachev & perestroika and many Russians felt the country was crumbling while they watched. A drastic transition from one system to another (for better and worse) will do that.

Your system, call it pre-WWII-USA, has failed. You’re now transitioning towards something else. Hence the chaos and sense of loss.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:03:54am

Dolores O’Riordan: Cranberries Singer Died Of Fentanyl Poisoning In Apparent Suicide, Police Say Otherwise (Inquisitr - Not a reliable source)

Citing an anonymous source within the London Police Department, the Southern California newspaper claims that counterfeit Fentanyl was found near the singer’s bed. Further, the source claims that O’Riordan deliberately overdosed in an attempt to commit suicide.

O’Riordan had been known to battle mental health issues and addiction for decades. According to People, she had been sexually abused over a period of several years as a child and often suffered “flashbacks” to her abuse.

This is why hanging is too good for child-molesters. They should be set on fire.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:05:02am

re: #149 The Vicious Babushka

I would love to see his version of the Bible.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:05:40am

I guess a better analogy would be an anti gay teacher refusing to teach lgbt students. T, though, would a PD be able to object to defending an accused murderer? I know that was sorta the case with HRC and that rapist that Trump used to attack her as “not caring about women.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:05:41am

re: #149 The Vicious Babushka

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I see that Pulpit Pimp is warming up for his next KKKross burning…

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:07:01am

re: #149 The Vicious Babushka

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Imma thinking Rick Wiles is pure evil.

He certainly is not a Christian.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:09:35am

Bibo is working on lowering expectations for buyers of their printers

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I expect it to need some tweaking.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:10:08am

re: #161 Lupin

At the risk of comparing apples and oranges, I was in Moscow the first year of Gorbachev & perestroika and many Russians felt the country was crumbling while they watched. A drastic transition from one system to another (for better and worse) will do that.

Your system, call it pre-WWII-USA, has failed. You’re now transitioning towards something else. Hence the chaos and sense of loss.

There’s a demographic change. You’ve got those who embrace it and those scared of its implications.

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:11:00am

re: #161 Lupin

At the risk of comparing apples and oranges, I was in Moscow the first year of Gorbachev & perestroika and many Russians felt the country was crumbling while they watched. A drastic transition from one system to another (for better and worse) will do that.

Your system, call it pre-WWII-USA, has failed. You’re now transitioning towards something else. Hence the chaos and sense of loss.

Exactly what we are transitioning to is beyond my comprehension.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:11:09am

re: #147 HappyWarrior

When do attorneys get protections from having moral objections to defending criminals because that’s where this is going. Have your beliefs, but if they get away if your job, either swallow your pride or find a new line of work.

“I won’t do this mans kidney transplant surgery. He’s gay.”

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:12:48am

re: #169 MsJ

Exactly what we are transitioning to is beyond my comprehension.

It depends on who we let control it. And yes, the GOP is getting the first stage, but we can fix that. It’s a bit like any transition, especially because so many are invested in not changing it, and I mean those that will lose some of their authority under any new system (the wealthy in our case).

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:13:52am

Here is a bit from ESPN on the North and South Korean “joint” team to march together in the Olympics.

Koreas to form their first joint Olympic team, will march together during opening ceremonies

SEOUL, South Korea — The rival Koreas agreed Wednesday to form their first unified Olympic team and have their athletes parade together for the first time in 11 years during the opening ceremonies of next month’s Winter Olympics in South Korea, officials said.

The agreements still require approval from the International Olympic Committee. But they are the most prominent steps toward rapprochement achieved by the Koreas since they recently began exploring cooperation during the Olympics following a year of heightened tension over the North’s nuclear weapons program.

During their third day of talks at the border in about a week, senior officials reached a package of agreements including fielding a joint women’s ice hockey team and marching together under a “unification flag” depicting their peninsula during the opening ceremonies, Seoul’s Unification Ministry said.

…more at link

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:14:51am

Nervous Republicans fear they’ll pay if government shuts down.

President Donald Trump is confident that Democrats will take the blame if the government shuts down this weekend or Congress fails to find a fix to prevent DACA recipients from being deported. But Republicans on Capitol Hill aren’t so sure.

Many of them fear that voters would fault the GOP after looking at Trump’s decision to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, his past flirtation with letting federal funding expire and the fact that Republicans are in control of the White House, the Senate and the House.

“When there are shutdowns, our side usually takes the hit,” said Republican Rep. Charlie Dent, who is retiring from the competitive Allentown, Penn.,-based district he’s represented for nearly a dozen years.

“It will be difficult for us to deflect the blame — whether we deserve it or not,” he added.

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Lupin  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:15:03am

re: #168 HappyWarrior

There’s a demographic change. You’ve got those who embrace it and those scared of its implications.

Very true. If USA 2.0 started after the Civil War, and 3.0 after FDR and WWII, one might argue we’re transitioning into 4.0.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:15:17am

re: #171 Belafon

It depends on who we let control it. And yes, the GOP is getting the first stage, but we can fix that. It’s a bit like any transition, especially because so many are invested in not changing it, and I mean those that will lose some of their authority under any new system (the wealthy in our case).

they have an ideology behind their inconsistent and even contradictory talking points: dismantle government, sell off its resources and infrastructure to the highest bidder and allow corporate donations to have an undue share of influence on politics.

We cannot allow that to happen. It has already cost us a big point off our international credit rating.

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Citizen K  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:16:55am

It’s exhausting that Trump does so much shit that would have sunk previous politicians and presidents, and he gets to skate by on nearly fucking all of it. Perhaps precisely because he’s doing so much and none of it is allowed to sink in to the media cycle.

It exhausts me since it feels like trying to fight him ends up like spitting in the wind, and the only victories against him seem to be dumb own goals of his own accord…that immediately get swept under the rug because the media has the attention span of a larva.

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ThomasLite  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:16:59am

re: #164 HappyWarrior

I guess a better analogy would be an anti gay teacher refusing to teach lgbt students. T, though, would a PD be able to object to defending an accused murderer? I know that was sorta the case with HRC and that rapist that Trump used to attack her as “not caring about women.”

Interesting question. Not really my expertise but generally speaking, I suspect a PD would have more leeway than that teacher you mention. There’s basically (and generally, please check with your specific bar association ;) ) an ethical requirement to not take a case you can’t vigorously pursue. How that jives with the obligations under your employment agreement would be more of a real world / interpersonal and intra-office dynamic thing than a question of law, I suspect, but I’d be surprised if a PD’s office did not provide some way to hand off a case you’re too morally (or viscerally, as would sometimes be the problem, I suppose) opposed to to another attorney.
In short, I think generally that would be an option and in some cases even ethically required of such a PD. Also keep in mind there’s generally plenty of other cases for such an office to handle so the staffing inconvenience would pale compared to the ethical problems. Yes, I imagine generally a PD could get away with such things.

If he were opposed to defending criminals at all he’s not long for that job, but that’s comparable to such a nurse being opposed to nursing at all, not just opposed to nursing a certain, narrow class of patients. If anything, again, that attorney has more legal wiggle-room (and imagine that, who could imagine how that came about?) than most other professionals would have.

Obit.: IIRC there’s actually quite some precedent for medical staff refusing certain classes of patients which could be viewed as discriminatory: refusing to work with certain high-risk groups can be a thing, depending on union contracts etc. and will (or certainly would, in the past) have the not-so-unforeseen side-effect of not having to serve large portions of the gay community. Because of certain higher risks that was deemed an acceptable refusal in the past. Not sure if that’s still the case anywhere any more.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:17:09am

re: #173 Shropshire Slasher

The fuckers have the House, the Senate and the Presidency. They can keep government funded without ANY help. Who the fuck do they think we’ll blame if it gets shut down?

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Lupin  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:17:37am

re: #169 MsJ

Exactly what we are transitioning to is beyond my comprehension.

It always is. If we knew ahead of time, we wouldn’t be so scared, would we?

This reminds me of UPSTAIRS DOWNSTAIRS. Could the Bellamys in, say, 1905, truly guess what their lives would be in 1935? 1965? These worlds were so completely different. And things move faster nowadays.

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Citizen K  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:17:49am

re: #178 Eclectic Cyborg

The fuckers have the House, the Senate and the Presidency. They can keep government funded without ANY help. Who the fuck do they think we’ll blame?

Democrats, obviously, because ‘both sides same thing’ is law.

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makeitstop  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:17:58am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:18:19am

Also, a government shutdown at tax time would be a huge “winner” for the economy now wouldn’t it?

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:19:30am

re: #168 HappyWarrior

There’s a demographic change. You’ve got those who embrace it and those scared of its implications.

Thank you Happy.

The people that you speak of might actually drag this country’s thinking back to what the great American Experiment was in the early days. A free world for all. They actually believe in that dream more than the idiots that are scared.

I haven’t forgotten what the Statue of Liberty stands for. I don’t think the new demographic has either. They embrace it.

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Lupin  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:19:39am

re: #175 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they have an ideology behind their inconsistent and even contradictory talking points: dismantle government, sell off its resources and infrastructure to the highest bidder and allow corporate donations to have an undue share of influence on politics.

We cannot allow that to happen. It has already cost us a big point off our international credit rating.

At the extreme, a GOP-controlled Earth would look like FM Busby’s Earth in RISSA KERGUELEN.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:20:29am

re: #178 Eclectic Cyborg

Probably just have a repeat of history.

en.wikipedia.org

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dangerman  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:21:22am

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

“I won’t do this mans kidney transplant surgery. He’s gay.”

“i wont allocate this man a kidney. he’s gay”

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:21:29am

Drudge is having an anniversary today, don’t bother to click on it.

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:22:20am

re: #173 Shropshire Slasher

Nervous Republicans fear they’ll pay if government shuts down.

“It will be difficult for us to deflect the blame — whether we deserve it or not,” he added.

You deserve it. Trust me.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:22:35am

re: #186 dangerman

“i wont allocate this man a kidney. he’s gay”

or
“Can I catch the gayness from his kidney?”

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:22:40am

re: #176 Citizen K

It’s exhausting that Trump does so much shit that would have sunk previous politicians and presidents, and he gets to skate by on nearly fucking all of it. Perhaps precisely because he’s doing so much and none of it is allowed to sink in to the media cycle.

It exhausts me since it feels like trying to fight him ends up like spitting in the wind, and the only victories against him seem to be dumb own goals of his own accord…that immediately get swept under the rug because the media has the attention span of a larva.

It’s because prior presidents had parties that challenged them, even sometimes by their own party. The GOP, right now, is invested in maintaining power over running the country properly. And I think, especially based on recent elections, that some people are seeing this.

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:23:39am

re: #173 Shropshire Slasher

Nervous Republicans fear they’ll pay if government shuts down.

“It will be difficult for us to deflect the blame — whether we deserve it or not,” he added.

There in a simple statement is the entire admitted political philosophy of the Republican party. Their goal is to deflect the blame for what they do.

It cannot be any clearer. Someone in the party in a moment of lucidity let the truth out.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:26:11am

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:26:15am

re: #187 Shropshire Slasher

Drudge is having an anniversary today, don’t bother to click on it.

But you did. You devil.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:26:45am
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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:27:47am

re: #194 Dave In Austin

I was thinking that someone should invite him to speak, and build a scale into the platform.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:29:49am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Yep it’s very common. I have a very common German name in my family line- Schwarz- Black. It’s amazing how Muller sounds close to Miller but Schwarz sounds nothing like Black.

I poked around the online Merriam-Webster dictionary. Both black and swart (later swarthy) come to English from Old High German. I reckon the original words had different uses and diverged when English and German went their separate ways.

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Lupin  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:30:00am

re: #194 Dave In Austin

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ThomasLite  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:30:03am

re: #195 Belafon

I was thinking that someone should invite him to speak, and build a scale into the platform.

Secret contraption under the president’s lectern. Yup, sure the secret service has a sense of humour about those things nowadays…
All I’m saying is maybe that’s one of those things you’d want to get some of your in-laws to try rather than going for it yourself ;)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:30:10am

re: #195 Belafon

I was thinking that someone should invite him to speak, and build a scale into the platform.

He loves trucks. We could have him drive one into a weigh station.

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:30:23am

re: #194 Dave In Austin

Argyle Von Bargle 🐘🐘🐘🐘
@DaveoutofAustin
‘Guardians of the Galaxy’ director James Gunn offers $100,000 if Trump will step on a scale huffingtonpost.com … via @HuffPostComedy

11:22 AM - Jan 17, 2018

Girtherism is growing!

I like it. I hope people like this director take it to its most ridiculous and absurd end.

Is it dumb? It’s a joke. Laugh and poke Trump, Sheriff Joe and all the other idiots that got into birtherism.

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:31:21am

re: #195 Belafon

I was thinking that someone should invite him to speak, and build a scale into the platform.

A couple Toledo Scale load sensors and they’d never know it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:31:58am

re: #183 ObserverArt

Thank you Happy.

The people that you speak of might actually drag this country’s thinking back to what the great American Experiment was in the early days. A free world for all. They actually believe in that dream more than the idiots that are scared.

I haven’t forgotten what the Statue of Liberty stands for. I don’t think the new demographic has either. They embrace it.

And it’s not a generational thing. I know boomers like yourself, many Lizards, & my folks who embrace it and many my age who fear it.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:32:46am

re: #167 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Stanley Sea  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:33:13am

The kid of NJ’s new gov did the wp sign at the swearing in.

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mmmirele  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:33:34am

re: #129 MsJ

Every fucking day.

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Fuck these snowflakes. Seriously, Jesus said nothing about not providing services-any services-to those who aren’t like us.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:34:11am

re: #203 wheat-dogg

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Dave In Austin  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:35:46am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:38:20am

re: #207 Dave In Austin

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retired cynic  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:39:02am

re: #201 ObserverArt

A couple Toledo Scale load sensors and they’d never know it.

A scale beneath the podium at the SOTU speech, with a digital read-out on the wall behind him would work a treat.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:39:44am

re: #207 Dave In Austin

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wheat-dogg  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:40:12am

re: #206 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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A Mom Anon  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:40:19am

re: #207 Dave In Austin

Oh he’s so witty. These are the kids in middle school who wouldn’t let anyone sit at their table at lunch, tripped kids carrying trays and shoved the smaller kids into lockers. This is what happens when you never say no or have consequences for doing shit you have no business doing. The whole fucking country is being run by early teen mean girls.

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retired cynic  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:40:34am
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plansbandc  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:41:40am

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Absolutely! He’s the worst piece of shit to ever become “President”.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:42:58am
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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:43:20am

re: #209 retired cynic

A scale beneath the podium at the SOTU speech, with a digital read-out on the wall behind him would work a treat.

Haha.

I was thinking more like as soon as he steps on the podium the curtains behind Ryan and Pence fly open to reveal one of those fair/carnival type games where you have to swing the mallet and see if the dinger goes up and hits the bell. In this case the curtain opens the dinger flies up and hits the bell and an old fashioned dial scale at the top by the bell displays 300 LBS!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:43:44am

re: #196 wheat-dogg

I poked around the online Merriam-Webster dictionary. Both black and swart (later swarthy) come to English from Old High German. I reckon the original words had different uses and diverged when English and German went their separate ways.

lots of examples of that. I recall the nativity scene from Luke: “And they were sore afraid!”.

sore? as in hurt? turns out not

In German, the word sehr means “very”

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wheat-dogg  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:48:25am

Dim Kim is tweeting that (Democratic) Pakistani techs infiltrated the House of Representatives computer systems by pretending to be members of Congress.

Trying to imagine how this would even be possible makes me dizzy. I’m going to bed.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:49:03am

re: #217 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

lots of examples of that. I recall the nativity scene from Luke: “And they were sore afraid!”.

sore? as in hurt? turns out not

In German, the word sehr means “very”

Danke sehr!

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Dave In Austin  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:49:44am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:51:32am

re: #211 wheat-dogg

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:51:36am

So my company car is a 2016 Ford Focus shod with Continental ContiProcantact tires that have got to be the worse tires in the snow I have ever had the displeasure of driving. My driveway is a 1/4 mile long, and I have to back up half way up hill just to get enough potential energy to get up to my garage.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:53:01am

re: #222 Shropshire Slasher

So my company car is a 2016 Ford Focus shod with Continental ContiProcantact tires that have got to be the worse tires in the snow I have ever had the displeasure of driving. My driveway is a 1/4 mile long, and I have to back up half way up hill just to get enough potential energy to get up to my garage.

As long as the company pays for repairs when you put it through the back of the garage, you’ll be fine.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:53:33am

re: #219 wheat-dogg

Danke sehr!

donkey’s ear!

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plansbandc  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:59:07am

re: #195 Belafon

I like this sneaky plan!

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dangerman  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:00:04am

re: #205 mmmirele

Fuck these snowflakes. Seriously, Jesus said nothing about not providing services-any services-to those who aren’t like us. we don’t like

either way works

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wheat-dogg  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:00:10am

re: #224 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

donkey’s ear!

In Afrikaans, buy a donkey! (Forgotten how it’s spelled, though.)

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retired cynic  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:00:25am

Anymouse (or someone?) posted Celtic Woman’s version of The Parting Glass, and oddly enough, NPR just played Roseann Cash’s version on a program about the interface between the old world and the new in ballad singing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:06:06am

re: #227 wheat-dogg

In Afrikaans, buy a donkey! (Forgotten how it’s spelled, though.)

another odd word in Dutch: “nauw”. Pronounce that with a guttural voice and it sounds like “narrow”, which is exactly what the word means.

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:07:31am

Apparently being a center for high-tech, bio-tech, finance, agriculture and media is “communism”. Who knew?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:12:12am

re: #230 Ace-o-aces

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Apparently being a center for high-tech, bio-tech, finance, agriculture and media is “communism”. Who knew?

apparently not running your economy into the ground by killing the tax base is also communism

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makeitstop  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:12:36am

WTAF

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:14:04am

re: #232 makeitstop

WTAF

Now you know why Mueller doesn’t want the attorney around.

Edit: I hope this pisses off a few more Republicans.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:17:41am
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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:18:41am

re: #223 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

As long as the company pays for repairs when you put it through the back of the garage, you’ll be fine.

If I did that, after the supervisors picked themselves up off the floor after passing out laughing, they would ask me if I backed in or I drove in. If I backed in I am fired, if I drove in they would give me another car. Backing accidents are 100% preventable!!!!

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:19:37am

re: #234 FormerDirtDart

Someone should explain to USA Today they’re reporting Russian propaganda.

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:23:14am

From the story I read earlier today, women and independents are leaving republicans behind.

It made my day.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:23:32am
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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:25:26am

re: #222 Shropshire Slasher

So my company car is a 2016 Ford Focus shod with Continental ContiProcantact tires that have got to be the worse tires in the snow I have ever had the displeasure of driving. My driveway is a 1/4 mile long, and I have to back up half way up hill just to get enough potential energy to get up to my garage.

Those look to be very wide and low profile. Not good for snow, even if they are called all season. The “grand touring” also makes me uncomfortable as that usually means a sport handling tire…more for very mild winters.

I am a believer in all season is good for no season. Some are better than others, but that aspect ratio and tread pattern look bad for upper midwest and northeastern type weather. I note even at Tire Rack they only get a fair rating for winter. Not good.

I have had Continental tires before and loved them, but they were hi-performance rain and dry summer tires. I use narrower dedicated winter tires from November until April.

Kinda surprised Ford put those on a car. Where are you located and was the car bought at a deater in your area?

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:26:33am

re: #238 Belafon

Did Dems win all of them?

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:28:13am
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Dave In Austin  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:28:15am

You know what to do…..

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:29:10am

re: #115 Eclectic Cyborg

So do you pronounce the Special Counsels name Mull-err or Mew-lur? I’ve heard both.

My landlord has the same last name and he pronounces it Mew-lur.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:34:13am

re: #239 ObserverArt

I am in upstate NY and I have driven it since brand spanky new. To be fair, that wasn’t the exact size for it, I just threw it up there for a photo reference. I like to pick my tires by how they are reviewed in Consumer reports for my personal vehicles.

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:35:36am

re: #240 MsJ

Did Dems win all of them?

No, they won WI alone.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:35:37am

re: #240 MsJ

Did Dems win all of them?

I don’t know. No one is reporting any information on those other races other than how much better they did over 2016.

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:36:22am
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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:37:39am

re: #245 MsJ

No, they won WI alone.

Yep. If Democrats increase each district by +13 (the minimum on that list), Republicans will be decimated.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:40:53am

Tabloid Publishes 2011 Interview With Porn Star About “Textbook Generic” Adulterous Sex Romp With Trump

I can’t wait to hear the evangelical right come up with a way to defend Trump.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:41:31am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:43:48am

re: #230 Ace-o-aces

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:45:11am
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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:45:15am

re: #244 Shropshire Slasher

I am in upstate NY and I have driven it since brand spanky new. To be fair, that wasn’t the exact size for it, I just threw it up there for a photo reference. I like to pick my tires by how they are reviewed in Consumer reports for my personal vehicles.

If I lived in upstate New York I’d for sure be using dedicated winter tires. Especially if you are in that area from Buffalo to Syracuse or in the Adirondack area.

I do it and I am in central Ohio, but travel to northern Ohio to see relatives, etc. I use Dunlop Winter Sport 3s, now they are called SP Winter Sport 3Ds.

Even if that isn’t your size, the tread pattern would be the same and it just does not look aggressive and deep and knobby enough to cut through snow.

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I cannot.  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:46:38am

So, I am a customer at the same place I work at…and I end up being massively inconvenienced by a company that we contracted with to plow the snow…

…for one thing they showed up SEVEN HOURS after management called for them…and then they plowed just the aisles of the parking lot with the blade facing outwards…directing the ice and snow directly in front of our cars and the cart corrals.

Oh, and I had to push carts through that, to top it all off, we are under contract with them for this year. We actually PAID them for that “work”.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:48:00am

The right is driven by mental-illness.

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jaunte  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:48:10am

re: #251 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Always with the “hard-working” code, as if that’s the distinguishing factor.

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ckkatz  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:48:44am

re: #37 freetoken

Thanks for posting this! Sent me on an interesting journey.

As far as I can tell (from Google translate as I do not speak Japanese):

The group is called Dark Ducks and the song Tomoshibi. The song is Russian from World War 2 and is called Огонёк. It speaks of the sadness of separation during war. According to the wiki page :It is widely popular in Japan as a song that represents so-called Russian folk songs”

Hope link works:

translate.google.com

Russian original:

Владимир Нечаев - Огонёк

Back to listening to more of the Dark Ducks.

Also still working through the Parting Glass song versions from an earlier thread. I want to thank whom ever posted that!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:49:40am

How sad is it that we are reliant on something like 7 states out of 50 to keep the country from being completely overrun by Republicans?

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Jay C  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:49:53am

re: #245 MsJ

No, they won WI alone.

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Well, you just know that the GOP/WH are going to be harping on the flipside of these results: and they won’t be entirely wrong. Boosting D/R voting percentages is all well and good, but it’s the actual results - i.e. more Democrats in legislative seats - that is the important thing. And, unfortunately, despite the many positive signs, except for Virginia, the Dems haven’t (yet) made a serious dent in the GOP’s legislative majorities, either in Congress or (probably as importantly) in statehouses.

That said, though: even despite the poor rate of actual turnover, the electoral signs aren’t looking positive for the Republicans in November. We can only hope.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:49:56am

re: #156 MsJ

HA! Punctuation matters.

Pretty sure that’s not an accidental headline.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:50:16am

re: #174 Lupin

Very true. If USA 2.0 started after the Civil War, and 3.0 after FDR and WWII, one might argue we’re transitioning into 4.0.

Trump is the Windows ME of administrations.

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sizzzzlerz  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:50:31am

re: #16 Anymouse 🌹

A local CBS station in California is reporting on this “New California” nonsense as well.

sacramento.cbslocal.com

(more, with video report)

This is the continuation of the “State of Jefferson” thing that has been swirling around the toilet bowl in northern cal and southern oregon for decades. You drive up I-5 through Weed and Shasta, you’ll see creaky, old, barns with faded State of Jefferson painted on their roofs and sides. Considering that population of that area is less than half a million compared to the overall state total of almost 40, there isn’t a chance of this going anywhere. Even if it did, the resulting “state” would end up being poorer than any of the southern shitholes. About the only thing exported from that region is some pretty rightous herb.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:52:00am

re: #254 I cannot.

So, I am a customer at the same place I work at…and I end up being massively inconvenienced by a company that we contracted with to plow the snow…

…for one thing they showed up SEVEN HOURS after management called for them…and then they plowed just the aisles of the parking lot with the blade facing outwards…directing the ice and snow directly in front of our cars and the cart corrals.

Oh, and I had to push carts through that, to top it all off, we are under contract with them for this year. We actually PAID them for that “work”.

I got plowed in over the weekend, and missed work Tuesday because of it. I also got reminded that I’m getting old as I dug it out.

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dangerman  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:52:24am

re: #249 Dr. Matt

Tabloid Publishes 2011 Interview With Porn Star About “Textbook Generic” Adulterous Sex Romp With Trump

I can’t wait to hear the evangelical right come up with a way to defend Trump.

“as long as she didnt have an abortion…”

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jaunte  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:52:46am

re: #255 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:53:34am

re: #258 Eclectic Cyborg

How sad is it that we are reliant on something like 7 states out of 50 to keep the country from being completely overrun by Republicans?

Our education system has failed too many people. We should have taught critical thinking skills rather than rote memorization of what authorities tell the kids.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:55:04am

re: #259 Jay C

These are special elections:
1. There are significantly fewer than a normal election.
2. Most of them have been created by Republicans picking someone from a “safe” area for an executive position.

Virginia is the best indicator of what November might be like, and Democrats kicked butt against some serious gerrymandering. The special elections indicate what the trend looks like. Republicans will need to be in some massively safe districts (like Ratcliffe here in Rockwall) to keep their seats.

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:56:06am

Trump’s Gestapo strikes again.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:57:30am
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Jay C  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:00:52am

re: #234 FormerDirtDart

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These separatist morons almost always fall into the same rut/trap/cesspool: whatever their original “grievances” - and those almost invariable shake out into just two prejudice-reeking tracks: “We don’t want to pay taxes” or “We don’t want to live with Those People”; or usually both - they quickly veer off into “COMMUNIST SATANIST” gibberings and the like: which rarely does much positive for their image…..

One has to wonder, though, just how many (real) people there are behind this “New California” crapola: I’m guessing maybe a few hundred wingnuts max: but with an artificial online presence botted-up to make them look like a mass movement.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:02:12am

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

“I won’t do this mans kidney transplant surgery. He’s gay.”

I doubt this is in the pipeline. The bigots that want to limit service tend to be in a different sect of health care. Sturgeons are mechanics who do a procedure that seldom gets in the way of their bigotry. A pharmacist is seeing their “rights” directly impinged upon by having to sell birth control to a woman. Which is worse for them, woman or BC, I can’t answer.

YMMV.

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ckkatz  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:03:43am

re: #262 sizzzzlerz

Interesting point! Quite an intersection of malcontents from between are the Bundy’s and the Sagebrush crazies, the Sovereign Citizens, various Republicans trying to seize control of California from the Democrats and the Russians trying to split western countries.

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:03:48am

Curious if they did this in WI; tried to tie the demo to Pelosi and Schumer. StPaulBear…thoughts?

3apz/OtXFd5ZqBhtrlDT5bXj6bEj9nlISVeJaysb0MXQe3kqheCq/fBT+RVA/O4O

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:06:04am

I wonder if Russia will have the cojones to interfere in the midterms?

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ckkatz  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:07:57am

re: #274 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if Russia will have the cojones to interfere in the midterms?

I am assuming yes. I understand that at the national policy level, absolutely nothing has been done to stop it.

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Old Liberal  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:08:23am

re: #274 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if Russia will have the cojones to interfere in the midterms?

They haven’t stopped even now, and haven’t paid a price, and they are aware that as a nation we haven’t done much if anything to prevent it.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:08:23am

re: #274 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if Russia will have the cojones to interfere in the midterms?

I don’t wonder at all. They will. And both putin and trump will deny it.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:08:42am

re: #186 dangerman

“i wont allocate this man a kidney. he’s gay”

Well, if personal issues come up in the recipient list, that might. The scoring to receive a transplant doesn’t take into account sexual identity. The entire methodology would need to be rewritren. And, the medical community isn’t going to do that. Some individuals may want to, but your posited scenario isn’t got to happen.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:09:38am

re: #189 Shropshire Slasher

or
“Can I catch the gayness from his kidney?”

That’s on the recipient. Not the medical team/community.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:10:05am

re: #277 I Would Prefer Not To

I don’t wonder at all. They will. And both putin and trump will deny it.

Ugh. Here’s hoping Mueller drops a few bombs well below November.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:10:10am

re: #273 MsJ

Curious if they did this in WI; tried to tie the demo to Pelosi and Schumer. StPaulBear…thoughts?

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There’s something else I think the GOP is missing: Momentum. It seems to me that Democrats are doing better now than they were even in special elections early last year.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:10:22am

kelly doing president-work trump is incapable of performing by going down to congress and trying negotiate a way out of the shutdown

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:10:44am

I am tired of people misrepresenting the Prince of Darkness’s economic policies!

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ckkatz  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:10:56am

Interesting:

GOP activist from Virginia quits Republican Party over Trump’s remarks

“A young Republican activist from Northern Virginia who was seen as a potential rising star quit the party Tuesday, citing President Trump’s “appalling comments” about Haitian immigrants and what he called a nativist streak in his home state.”

washingtonpost.com

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ThomasLite  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:11:48am

re: #279 Colère Tueur de Lapin

That’s on the recipient. Not the medical team/community.

Somehow I suspect most putative recipients will suddenly, temporarily, be quite susceptible to reason on the matter. Not going to be an issue; if nothing else hypocrisy will trump all.
…But yeah, not the doc’s problem if you’re that boneheaded.

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blueraven  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:12:03am

Hmmm

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:12:05am

re: #280 Eclectic Cyborg

Ugh. Here’s hoping Mueller drops a few bombs well below November.

The “New California” things is Russia. I’m sure they were helping in Alabama, and Virginia. They will continue.

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:12:39am

re: #274 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if Russia will have the cojones to interfere in the midterms?

Absolutely. They are interfering daily now.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:12:56am

re: #196 wheat-dogg

I poked around the online Merriam-Webster dictionary. Both black and swart (later swarthy) come to English from Old High German. I reckon the original words had different uses and diverged when English and German went their separate ways.

English and German were never together to go their separate ways. On the British Isles, the peasants spoke German, the nobles French. Englisg wa$ 5he intermingling o& the two. German remained in Germany and just kept going.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:12:58am

JFC.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:13:26am

re: #283 Ace-o-aces

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I am tired of people misrepresenting the Prince of Darkness’s economic policies!

Too many Trump-supporters are literally insane from absurd Republican propaganda.

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:14:30am

re: #281 Belafon

There’s something else I think the GOP is missing: Momentum. It seems to me that Democrats are doing better now than they were even in special elections early last year.

Thankfully, people are paying attention. The olds, their base, is waking up - again - to the fact the the GOP wants to kill them. Slow and steady but they are seeing it. To what extent remains to be seen.

Women, OTOH, seem to be pretty fed up.

And trump does no one favors. Thank goodness.

Remains to be seen but we are seeing positive trends.

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Jay C  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:14:52am

re: #283 Ace-o-aces

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I am tired of people misrepresenting the Prince of Darkness’s economic policies!

SRSLY: Everybody know that Old Scratch is a dedicated capitalist…..

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ThomasLite  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:15:35am

re: #286 blueraven

Hmmm

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Was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, figured he might just be one of the more libertarian types and saw an opening, but no. This is from his own site:

Ended Vehicle Emission Testing (VET)
Solidly Pro-Life
Tough On Government Waste
Fights Job Killing Taxes
Stood Up Against Unsustainable Debt
Believes and Supports Traditional Marriage

Somebody’s seeing the writing on the wall and trying to get ahead of it. Oh well. Still a good thing I suppose.

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dangerman  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:18:08am

re: #278 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Well, if personal issues come up in the recipient list, that might. The scoring to receive a transplant doesn’t take into account sexual identity. The entire methodology would need to be rewritren. And, the medical community isn’t going to do that. Some individuals may want to, but your posited scenario isn’t got to happen.

i wasnt being serious
the whole concept of “moral objection” is absurd

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:19:24am
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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:20:19am

re: #290 Ace Rothstein

JFC.

I don’t think an attack would help him the way he thinks: it hadn’t happened before Bush, and people already think Trump’s hoping it. This is, though, why I think Trump was willing to go golfing during the scare in Hawaii.

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:21:31am

re: #256 jaunte

Always with the “hard-working” code, as if that’s the distinguishing factor.

Which makes them sound like Russian bots.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:21:37am

re: #294 ThomasLite

I’m sure he’s also hoping the income to the state will offset the gutting of the budget.

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blueraven  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:23:26am

re: #294 ThomasLite

Was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, figured he might just be one of the more libertarian types and saw an opening, but no. This is from his own site:

Somebody’s seeing the writing on the wall and trying to get ahead of it. Oh well. Still a good thing I suppose.

Yeah, hardly a progressive. But, he admits to smoking pot after surgery in lieu of oxy-contin. He also realizes the potential for jobs and economic development. I mean really, it is just common sense.

If a state as red as Kentucky can even consider this, it gives me hope for the future of legalization in others.

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Old Liberal  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:26:22am

re: #281 Belafon

There’s something else I think the GOP is missing: Momentum. It seems to me that Democrats are doing better now than they were even in special elections early last year.

I live in the WI Senate district next door, my district has Janet Bewley, D. Looking at the county results, I see a common theme- the Republican won his “home counties” they just happen to be the lowest population and poorest counties. Schactner won her “home counties” by a wide amount and some that have universities in them (UW River Falls and UW-Stout). These counties are more wealthy and the cities are liberal. I think Schactner was a well known, well liked candidate from the right area of the district. The hardcore Trump areas were won by the R. I haven’t seen turnout data, and given that this was a single-seat special election, I don’t think there is much to compare it to. A known candidate and turnout matter.

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Citizen K  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:27:32am

re: #296 MsJ

Reminder that there is never a ‘good enough’ with the folks pushing this ICE hardline. They don’t care about actual merit or criminality: to them, immigrants’ existence is criminal enough: The Case of the ‘Perfect’ Undocumented Immigrant

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ThomasLite  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:27:53am

re: #300 blueraven

Yeah, hardly a progressive. But, he admits to smoking pot after surgery in lieu of oxy-contin. He also realizes the potential for jobs and economic development. I mean really, it is just common sense.

If a state as red as Kentucky can even consider this, it gives me hope for the future of legalization in others.

Fair enough. It’s funny to me how apparently soft drugs are apparently much easier to flip on than gay marriage, I’d have expected it to be the other way around.
Around here (the Netherlands) gay marriage was a bit of a fuss for a few years after which it was basically over. Marihuana is still contentious (even around here) after decades of relatively progressive policy on the subject. I’m just surprised how much more progress seems to be made on that matter in the US than around here (and make no mistake, quite a few US states seem to be ahead of us on sensible drug policy by now).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:28:43am

re: #300 blueraven

Yeah, hardly a progressive. But, he admits to smoking pot after surgery in lieu of oxy-contin. He also realizes the potential for jobs and economic development. I mean really, it is just common sense.

If a state as red as Kentucky can even consider this, it gives me hope for the future of legalization in others.

Me too. The tax revenue alone would fill so many gaps and the you have the medical benefits…

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plansbandc  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:30:02am

re: #300 blueraven

The sticking point for legalization is the private prison industry. If they can figure out another easy way to fill their prisons, and can get in on the massive pot industry $$$$ it will happen nationally.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:30:23am

re: #304 Eclectic Cyborg

Me too. The tax revenue alone would fill so many gaps and the you have the medical benefits…

Huge health benefits for anyone who switches from alcohol to herb as well. It’s criminal that we ban a much less harmful alternative to alcohol.

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ThomasLite  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:32:26am

re: #304 Eclectic Cyborg

Me too. The tax revenue alone would fill so many gaps and the you have the medical benefits…

let’s not get ahead of ourselves on those alleged medical benefits.
Link
Recreationally it’s way less harmful than alcohol (let alone tobacco) but most of the medical benefits (and yes, in pain relief as well, that field is notoriously susceptible to placebo effects) are vastly overstated.
It’s no good replacing one fairytale with another here…

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dangerman  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:34:08am

re: #302 Citizen K

Reminder that there is never a ‘good enough’ with the folks pushing this ICE hardline. They don’t care about actual merit or criminality: to them, immigrants’ existence is criminal enough: The Case of the ‘Perfect’ Undocumented Immigrant

if you’re “illegal” you are by definition a rapist, murderer, and/or terrorist

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Citizen K  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:34:30am

re: #305 plansbandc

re: #300 blueraven

re: #305 plansbandc

The sticking point for legalization is the private prison industry. If they can figure out another easy way to fill their prisons, and can get in on the massive pot industry $$$$ it will happen nationally.

There’s also one more sticking point, long as we have this current iteration of the DoJ, and it’s related to the private prison industry: long as folks like Jeff Sessions, who see marijuana as a primarily ‘black’ drug by comparison, remain in control of what should and shouldn’t be criminalized, weed will stay criminalized, because it’s not just about economics, but ideology. Sessions wants to help his Private Prison buddies, but he also wants to make sure that all those shameful non-white folks ‘know their place’.

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Old Liberal  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:34:31am

re: #304 Eclectic Cyborg

Me too. The tax revenue alone would fill so many gaps and the you have the medical benefits…

I don’t know. My guess is that this is a Trojan Horse designed to further hemp farming in Kentucky. I can see the “ok, not pot but hemp then” going through to benefit Kentucky farmers who have a HUGE clout in this state. There was a “what about hemp” presentation in northwestern WI a few weeks ago and hundreds of farmers showed up. Smokin’ weed? Too many Baptists here. By the way, the state of KY JUST STARTED anti tobacco campaign- almost 20 years after the big tobacco settlement. Journalists on a public affairs programs “were shocked” to see the state do this. KY farmers are powerful lobby.

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ckkatz  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:35:01am

re: #289 Colère Tueur de Lapin

English and German were never together to go their separate ways. On the British Isles, the peasants spoke German, the nobles French. Englisg wa$ 5he intermingling o& the two. German remained in Germany and just kept going.

I find the history of the English language fascinating.

My understanding is that this resulted from the Norman conquest. And that word choice between the French originated word and the German originated word still exists today. Supposedly the French based words “beef”, pork and mutton are “classier” than the Germanic cow, pig and sheep. All because of some historical events almost 1000 years ago.

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:35:07am

re: #292 MsJ

Thankfully, people are paying attention. The olds, their base, is waking up - again - to the fact the the GOP wants to kill them. Slow and steady but they are seeing it. To what extent remains to be seen.

Women, OTOH, seem to be pretty fed up.

And trump does no one favors. Thank goodness.

Remains to be seen but we are seeing positive trends.

I’m interested to see what happens if Paul Ryan goes after Social Security as many are saying. Even if it is aimed at younger generations I think it will blow up in his and the Republican’s faces.

If he even utters that he is looking to change Social Security prior to next summer it will really hurt them.

If they and Trump do something on their own in a ramrod it through way it will hurt them for a generation.

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plansbandc  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:36:06am

Our state may actually legalize pot once Susana Martinez is out of office. Her husband has a huge stake in the medical marijuana business in New Mexico, so naturally she’s dead set against recreational.

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Citizen K  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:36:32am

re: #308 dangerman

if you’re “illegal” you are by definition a rapist, murderer, and/or terrorist

Alas, this is actually what so many people think earnestly. The very concept that an undocumented citizen might work harder than a ‘real American’ and be much more law abiding, if only out of fear, simply never enters the conversation. They’re treated like an infestation, and that treatment bleeds over into almost anyone non-white, because obviously all those nasty, criminal invaders look exactly alike and have one ethnic archetype….

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:36:40am

re: #293 Jay C

SRSLY: Everybody know that Old Scratch is a dedicated capitalist…..

I understand he makes people sign some pretty tough contracts. Way tougher than Trump’s NDAs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:37:11am

re: #286 blueraven

Hmmm

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Our Secretary of State Alison Grimes has been pushing very hard for at least legalizing medical marijuana.
Also, since marijuana has consistently been our Commonwealth’s #1 cash crop (exceeding even tobacco during its heyday), it make a lot of sense to legalize all marijuana and tax it.

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:41:03am

re: #300 blueraven

Yeah, hardly a progressive. But, he admits to smoking pot after surgery in lieu of oxy-contin. He also realizes the potential for jobs and economic development. I mean really, it is just common sense.

If a state as red as Kentucky can even consider this, it gives me hope for the future of legalization in others.

I think there is already a healthy in-state Marijuana production business in Kentucky.

It’s just not legal. Many times it is ignored.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:42:01am

re: #305 plansbandc

The sticking point for legalization is the private prison industry. If they can figure out another easy way to fill their prisons, and can get in on the massive pot industry $$$$ it will happen nationally.

We still have moonshiners in Kentucky. They can always bring back the revenuers…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:43:29am

re: #255 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The declared independence of about twelve wingnuts.

SovCit libertarian cosplay.

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jaunte  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:43:35am
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A Mom Anon  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:44:05am

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m not sure of the numbers on this, but it would seem that farmers growing pot would actually make more money than those growing hemp. If Colorado is any indication, it looks like it’s been a boost for everyone from growers to dispensary owners. The husband and I are planning another trip there this spring. It would be great to be able to go to a state closer for “pot tourism”.

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:46:06am

re: #312 ObserverArt

I’m interested to see what happens if Paul Ryan goes after Social Security as many are saying. Even if it is aimed at younger generations I think it will blow up in his and the Republican’s faces.

If he even utters that he is looking to change Social Security prior to next summer it will really hurt them.

If they and Trump do something on their own in a ramrod it through way it will hurt them for a generation.

Republicans don’t think that average American’s actually care about their mothers and fathers and sons and daughters. Because they are sociopaths, they think everyone else is. Perhaps that magic 27% of Americans are, but most are not. Messing with SocSec and Medicare will kill them. Kill them dead. For a long time…generations.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:47:16am

re: #321 A Mom Anon

I’m not sure of the numbers on this, but it would seem that farmers growing pot would actually make more money than those growing hemp. If Colorado is any indication, it looks like it’s been a boost for everyone from growers to dispensary owners. The husband and I are planning another trip there this spring. It would be great to be able to go to a state closer for “pot tourism”.

One almost immediate impact I can see for legalizing marijuana in Kentucky is that even with a hefty tax added, the price will drop like a rock. Last time I checked, a grower here was bringing in more than $1,000 a plant.

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retired cynic  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:47:55am

And then there were three (at least), and the resemblance is interesting…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:49:25am

re: #321 A Mom Anon

I’m not sure of the numbers on this, but it would seem that farmers growing pot would actually make more money than those growing hemp. If Colorado is any indication, it looks like it’s been a boost for everyone from growers to dispensary owners. The husband and I are planning another trip there this spring. It would be great to be able to go to a state closer for “pot tourism”.

Growing hemp is a completely different process and much more mechanized.

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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:49:26am

re: #324 retired cynic

And then there were three (at least), and the resemblance is interesting…

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Ah, Megyn Kelly…trying to get the salacious ratings.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:50:25am

Republican Lady Explains Good Fathers Stop Gun Crime, RFK’s Son Chris Kennedy Says (redacted) (Goes to Wonkette)

At a candidate debate where a wingnut woman is trying to primary the Illinois Governor from the right (because conservatives never primary from the left), said woman opined that crime would be reduced if more fathers were in the home in places like Chicago (pulling out the old dogwhistles).

Chris Kennedy verbally flayed her alive on the stage and walked out.

As he left the forum, Kennedy said,

You know, some stuff hits a raw nerve and, um, I think that should be a debate about great ideas, a clash, and not one of emotions […]

But when I hear such ignorance and stupidity aired out by someone who knows so little about so much, I don’t think there’s an appropriate place for them to be on a podium on a dais with other people who have given these issues thought and have the emotional capacity to be empathetic at the same time.

Kennedy later told the Chicago NBC affiliate,

I lost my father to someone with a gun. For someone to say simply the solution is to have a father-in-law - I don’t know. How shall I react? What should my family have done?

(more at Wonkette)

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Kragar  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:57:13am
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Citizen K  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:58:18am
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MsJ  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:59:00am

re: #328 Kragar

[searching for that vomit gif]

[searching]

[searching]

Fuck it. RALPH!

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Sir John Barron  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:59:11am

re: #328 Kragar

MAGA

/

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dangerman  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:59:14am

re: #314 Citizen K

Alas, this is actually what so many people think earnestly. The very concept that an undocumented citizen might work harder than a ‘real American’ and be much more law abiding, if only out of fear, simply never enters the conversation. They’re treated like an infestation, and that treatment bleeds over into almost anyone non-white, because obviously all those nasty, criminal invaders look exactly alike and have one ethnic archetype….

you’re right

i have to remember to use the /// tags

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Sir John Barron  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:00:00am

re: #329 Citizen K

MAGA: Not sure how it would
/

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Sir John Barron  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:00:28am

re: #329 Citizen K

MAGA: The Buck Stops With Someone Else

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:06:11am

Is anyone surprised Trump has a thing for his daughter?

No surprise to me. All those images of her on his lap, his uncomfortable hug and squeeze at the Republican National Convention, his statements that have been caught about how he would have dated her.

If he was Joe Average American father he would have been investigated by local Child Protective Services.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:06:44am

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

Exactly. Hemp is in the cannabis family but contains little if any THC. It’s bred specifically for fiber purposes (and seeds for bird food and oil). If I remember right, there are only one or two strains of hemp allowed to be grown for this purpose and it’s more like a giant farm growing corn or soybeans than a growhouse or outdoor operation for growing cannabis for human consumption. I doubt the price for an acre of industrial hemp is anywhere close to what an acre of,say Willie Nelson’s Sour Diesel or whatever. This could be a huge win for farmers.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:09:03am

re: #328 Kragar

a) EWWWWW.

and

b) I think Stormy looks more like Tiffany than Ivanka, but YMMV.

c) vomit.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:10:37am

re: #336 A Mom Anon

Exactly. Hemp is in the cannabis family but contains little if any THC. It’s bred specifically for fiber purposes (and seeds for bird food and oil). If I remember right, there are only one or two strains of hemp allowed to be grown for this purpose and it’s more like a giant farm growing corn or soybeans than a growhouse or outdoor operation for growing cannabis for human consumption. I doubt the price for an acre of industrial hemp is anywhere close to what an acre of,say Willie Nelson’s Sour Diesel or whatever. This could be a huge win for farmers.

As I recall, Lexington’s first millionaire was in hemp farming and manufacturing (among other things).

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jaunte  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:10:57am

re: #328 Kragar

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:11:20am

re: #336 A Mom Anon

Exactly. Hemp is in the cannabis family but contains little if any THC. It’s bred specifically for fiber purposes (and seeds for bird food and oil). If I remember right, there are only one or two strains of hemp allowed to be grown for this purpose and it’s more like a giant farm growing corn or soybeans than a growhouse or outdoor operation for growing cannabis for human consumption. I doubt the price for an acre of industrial hemp is anywhere close to what an acre of,say Willie Nelson’s Sour Diesel or whatever. This could be a huge win for farmers.

Just a note. Most medical and legal consumable marijuana is grown indoor. Better controls over production, quantity and quality and less chance for bugs and other stuff that makes it less profitable outdoors.

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Kragar  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:12:36am
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:15:33am

re: #334 Sir John Barron

MAGA: The Buck Stops With Someone Else

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:16:17am
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A Mom Anon  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:18:56am

re: #338 Barefoot Grin

Oh there’s money in hemp, I just would think on per plant and per acre basis, consumable cannabis would be more lucrative at the farmer/grower level.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:18:59am

Hahaha, I love this:

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dangerman  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:19:22am

re: #329 Citizen K

Reporter, asking about gvt funding: “Does the buck stop with President Trump?”
Sarah Huckabee Sanders: “I’m not sure how it would

Likely has no idea who originally said it, what it means, or why the question is significant

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:20:35am

re: #79 nowherenorth2

Did you see the nyt op ed piece about this and Aziz? Basically stated that aziz is guilty of not being able to read minds.

My hand hit my forehead so hard

It really shouldn’t be hard to figure out if a woman really wants to touch your penis or not.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:20:41am

re: #339 jaunte

[Embedded content]

You mean aside from everything Adam?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:22:28am

re: #345 Barefoot Grin

Hahaha, I love this:

An evangelical commenter on my website noted that Jesus also associated with sex workers.

heckuva thing to say about his wife

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:22:32am
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jaunte  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:25:15am
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A Mom Anon  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:26:10am

re: #340 ObserverArt

These problems still exist in greenhouses though, but admittedly would be easier to control inside (my grandparents had a huge green house when I was a kid, their specialty was hybrid tomatoes, but we still had to watch for stuff like powdery mildew and aphids). But, large amounts of what is sold illegally is grown outside, the NPS has been having problems for years with large grows on NPS land and the mess left behind by the growers. Given enough time and investment, I would bet that some of the outdoor growing challenges could be improved upon, especially if strains could be developed that were disease and pest resistant, we do it with food, why not weed?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:27:36am

re: #340 ObserverArt

Just a note. Most medical and legal consumable marijuana is grown indoor. Better controls over production, quantity and quality and less chance for bugs and other stuff that makes it less profitable outdoors.

And it only becomes less profitable outdoors once it is legalized.

Considerably less profitable.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:28:06am

re: #350 Ace-o-aces

@aceoaces
The “New California” movement is literally a single angry white guy who rented a podium. Why are people covering this like it’s a thing? This is not a thing!

Would love to see some analysis on which bot hordes are pushing this story on social media

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:28:35am

re: #343 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

Those are some seriously disturbing shoulder pads on that suit.

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Kragar  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:30:15am

re: #354 FormerDirtDart

Would love to see some analysis on which bot hordes are pushing this story on social media

RT is all in.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:30:41am

re: #350 Ace-o-aces

“Maybe he voted for Trump? We would like his perspective to see if he still supports Trump, etc.”

////

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Sir John Barron  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:31:49am

re: #351 jaunte

Are Republicans crying “Victim” again?

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:32:41am

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

Those are some seriously disturbing shoulder pads on that suit.

Maybe he’s going for that David Byrne “big suit” look? I dunno.

Anyhoo, time to call it a day. Have a good one, Lizards.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:33:31am

re: #152 ObserverArt

But you’d support Oprah buying Fox News though, right?

Let’s stick to the positive thinking of that tweet Wendell. Plenty of time for worrying about the elections later. : )

It would be better for Fox to promote woo instead of racism, but still not good. I’d like Neil deGrasse Tyson to buy Fox, but he can’t afford it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:37:55am

re: #164 HappyWarrior

I guess a better analogy would be an anti gay teacher refusing to teach lgbt students. T, though, would a PD be able to object to defending an accused murderer? I know that was sorta the case with HRC and that rapist that Trump used to attack her as “not caring about women.”

I would think that before a PD got to be lead counsel on a murder case they would be second to an experienced attorney on several first. So if they refused it wouldn’t be a big deal. OTOH, maybe PD offices are so underfunded now that inexperienced attorneys are being thrown right into capital cases.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:38:19am
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blueraven  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:42:34am

re: #347 Big Beautiful Door

It really shouldn’t be hard to figure out if a woman really wants to touch your penis or not.

It really shouldn’t have been that difficult to get the fuck out of his apartment if she felt the evening was going downhill. Women portrayed as victims for having a bad date is not helpful.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:43:26am

re: #339 jaunte

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Sir John Barron  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:43:49am

re: #362 Anymouse 🌹

All polls are fake except the ones that are favorable to Trump.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:44:17am

re: #328 Kragar

There is no bottom to Trump’s depravity. What’s next, necrophilia?

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jaunte  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:45:03am

re: #364 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

American social conservatives: busybodies with zero self-awareness.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:45:13am

re: #363 blueraven

It really shouldn’t have been that difficult to get the fuck out of his apartment if she felt the evening was going downhill. Women portrayed as victims for having a bad date is not helpful.

A lot of women are extremely passive in that kind of situation. They freeze rather than acting.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:45:35am

I passed along some of the comments from here last Saturday on the death of my sister-in-law to my sister. She was unaware there is a whole group of people she doesn’t know who genuinely care about her.

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JordanRules  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:46:49am

re: #360 Big Beautiful Door

He has some interesting blind spots too.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:48:48am

re: #370 JordanRules

He has some interesting blind spots too.

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Everyone does, and it seems that the smarter someone is in a particular field, the less aware of their lack of expertise in other fields they are.

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retired cynic  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:48:57am

re: #369 Anymouse 🌹

I passed along some of the comments from here last Saturday on the death of my sister-in-law to my sister. She was unaware there is a whole group of people she doesn’t know who genuinely care about her.

She should join us, when she feels up to it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:49:11am

re: #351 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Pathetic. It’s always funny when the party that gave us Feminazi complains when its women members get criticized. Booker would have done the same thing to Kelly if he were still Sec of DHS and playing the Dumb game Nielsen played.

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blueraven  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:50:02am

re: #368 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

A lot of women are extremely passive in that kind of situation. They freeze rather than acting.

Then they need to learn how to speak up for themselves.
Sorry, I am from the old school of feminist thinking where we were proud to voice our sexual desires and lay down boundaries.
This, treating women like they are helpless children with no voice or choice, is backward.
There was no threat, coercion or abuse in this case. The woman was free to leave.

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:50:07am

re: #371 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Everyone does, and it seems that the smarter someone is in a particular field, the less aware of their lack of expertise in other fields they are.

We all try to generalize what we know into other areas. People like Neil just get more attention.

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JordanRules  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:50:23am

re: #371 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

True indeed.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:52:34am

re: #373 HappyWarrior

Conservatives are always eager to claim that Liberals are the real [Insert cherished Conservative dysfunction].

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:53:01am

re: #264 dangerman

“as long as she didnt have an abortion…”

I’d say that its highly likely that Trump has paid for one or more abortions over the decades.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:53:27am

re: #374 blueraven

Then they need to learn how to speak up for themselves.
Sorry, I am from the old school of feminist thinking where we were proud to voice our sexual desires and lay down boundaries.
This, treating women like they are helpless children with no voice or choice, is backward.
There was no threat, coercion or abuse in this case. The woman was free to leave.

That’s victim-blaming. You can’t expect every woman to be an empowered feminist.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:55:11am

If someone wants to move to my part of the county and has the requisite credentials, the City of Scottsbluff is doing a national search for a new fire chief.

starherald.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:55:56am

re: #372 retired cynic

She should join us, when she feels up to it.

I’ll suggest it to her.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:56:20am

re: #377 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

[Embedded content]

Conservatives are always eager to claim that Liberals are the real [Insert cherished Conservative dysfunction].

Seriously triggered?

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blueraven  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:59:09am

re: #379 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That’s victim-blaming. You can’t expect every woman to be an empowered feminist.

Bullshit. I do expect women to have the power to walk away.

And that woman was not a victim. She had a bad experience with a boorish man. Give me a break.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:59:24am

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Stanley Sea  Jan 17, 2018 • 12:01:14pm

re: #379 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

She wrote her story to a shit website & just emailed Ashley Banfield writing about her looks and age.

And remember babe.net has a story up about period trapping your dude.

Critical eye.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 17, 2018 • 12:01:29pm

re: #286 blueraven

Hmmm

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It could raise a lot of money to help with Kentucky’s budget crisis.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 17, 2018 • 12:01:36pm

re: #383 blueraven

Bullshit. I do expect women to have the power to walk away.

And that woman was not a victim. She had a bad experience with a boorish man. Give me a break.

Guess that means we shouldn’t bother to discuss the man’s boorish behavior as if that isn’t part of the same damn culture that has men thinking they can just take what they want or put women in uncomfortable situations all over the place.

Sigh.

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blueraven  Jan 17, 2018 • 12:06:54pm

re: #387 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Guess that means we shouldn’t bother to discuss the man’s boorish behavior as if that isn’t part of the same damn culture that has men thinking they can just take what they want or put women in uncomfortable situations all over the place.

Sigh.

That is a different conversation. It is certainly one that is important. But let us not embrace victimhood as a badge of honor.

I want women to have a voice in the moment, not shrink away.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 17, 2018 • 12:10:06pm

re: #388 blueraven

That is a different conversation. It is certainly one that is important. But let us not embrace victimhood as a badge of honor.

I want women to have a voice in the moment, not shrink away.

I want women to not be judged for not reacting in the “perfect” way when faced with an uncomfortable situation.

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blueraven  Jan 17, 2018 • 12:19:30pm

re: #389 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I want women to not be judged for not reacting in the “perfect” way when faced with an uncomfortable situation.

Can we extend that to men as well?

Yes he behaved badly, at least in her telling of it and I don’t doubt that. But should he have his career threatened over it? He was no Harvey Weinstein or even a Franken.

We need to teach our sons and our daughters to respect each other and to speak out when they are uncomfortable.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 17, 2018 • 12:20:47pm

re: #363 blueraven

It really shouldn’t have been that difficult to get the fuck out of his apartment if she felt the evening was going downhill. Women portrayed as victims for having a bad date is not helpful.

On the Bitches for Hillary FB feed, when someone said that, the screams of victim blaming arose very loudly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 17, 2018 • 12:26:35pm

re: #389 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I want women to not be judged for not reacting in the “perfect” way when faced with an uncomfortable situation.

It is also extremely unhelpful to make this woman’s response a template for shaming/blaming EVERY woman who does not have the old school feminist fortitude to “just leave”.

Because this is exactly a blanket shaming.

sigh.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 17, 2018 • 12:54:00pm

re: #390 blueraven

Can we extend that to men as well?

Yes he behaved badly, at least in her telling of it and I don’t doubt that. But should he have his career threatened over it? He was no Harvey Weinstein or even a Franken.

We need to teach our sons and our daughters to respect each other and to speak out when they are uncomfortable.

I don’t think I’ve argued his career should be threatened over it.

I do think he needs to be doing some serious introspection of his own behavior as someone who says he supports the TimesUp movement. I hope he is.

But the biggest thing I’d like to see right now is fewer women standing up and doing the work of defending him by criticizing her and how she should have just moved on from this bad date, because what that’s doing is avoiding the discussion of how unacceptable his behavior was. The fact that a lot of women have been in similar situations does not make this behavior acceptable. It simply means this fucking discussion is long overdue.


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