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The Major  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:37:04pm

Joe Walsh is such an easy mark….

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Kragar  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:39:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:39:42pm

re: #1 The Major

Joe Walsh is such an easy mark….

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Lol okay Joe. You seem awfully concerned about Obama’s choice of jeans. At least Obama’s not a dick to his kids, Mom jeans or not. and tbh his jeans always looked fine to me.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:40:20pm

re: #2 Kragar

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Spiteful dicks.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:41:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:42:48pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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Let them Gab. Means less of them to harass people on regular Twitter but LOL safe space much?

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Kragar  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:43:43pm
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jaunte  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:44:14pm

re: #1 The Major

Let’s see, “Mom jeans” vs. “giving Russians intelligence secrets and paying off porn stars.”
What a choice.

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retired cynic  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:44:54pm

Martin Longman is speculating that the special reason Mueller really is after Bannon is because of Cambridge Analytica. Seems sound to me.

There’s an obvious nexus here. Cambridge Analytica was founded by Robert Mercer. Robert Mercer became the most important funder of Breitbart News which was run by Steve Bannon. Steve Bannon became a vice-president of Cambridge Analytica. Bannon introduced Cambridge Analytica’s CEO Alexander Nix to the Trump campaign in May 2016. Jared Kushner hired Cambridge Analytica in June 2016. Mercer convinced Trump to hire Steve Bannon in August 2016.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:45:21pm

re: #8 jaunte

Let’s see, “Mom jeans” vs. “giving Russians intelligence secrets and paying off porn stars.”
What a choice.

Sounds easy to me but I’m not a crook like Walsh.

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makeitstop  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:45:34pm

You go, Pop.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:47:55pm

re: #11 makeitstop

You go, Pop.

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Best pro coach of his generation and it’s nkt even close.

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makeitstop  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:51:12pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Best pro coach of his generation and it’s nkt even close.

QFT. Spurs are my other favorite team, mostly because of Pop.

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Kragar  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:51:19pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:52:42pm

re: #13 makeitstop

QFT. Spurs are my other favorite team, mostly because of Pop.

I love how he coaches. He never lets egos dominate his teams. They’re all about teamwork and winning. Plus Pop is a really smart guy too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:53:33pm

re: #14 Kragar

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Dude never knows how to shut up.

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Pineapple Pizzagate  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:54:19pm

re: #7 Kragar

These are the hard-working Norwegians they want;

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:54:52pm

re: #17 Pineapple Pizzagate

These are the hard-working Norwegians they want;

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Heritage//

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Belafon  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:57:47pm

re: #14 Kragar

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Congress should pass a law requiring that they have to approve pulling out of NAFTA.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:57:48pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:57:52pm

re: #2 Kragar

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Heartbreaking for all those Haitians who really needed those jobs. Mia Love met with Trump after his racist sh*thole remarks. Looks like she wasted her time.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2018 • 7:58:57pm

Got a lot of news to catch up on. I should visit Stormy Daniels’ site, just for the political analysis.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:00:06pm

re: #21 Patricia Kayden

Heartbreaking for all those Haitians who really needed those jobs. Mia Love met with Trump after his racist sh*thole remarks. Looks like she wasted her time.

Does that include the Haitians who do the heavy lifting for Trump properties?

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Skip Intro  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:04:39pm

re: #23 Decatur Deb

I hope someone asks Huckabooboo that tomorrow.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:05:35pm

Samantha Bee just did a bit about interviewing working class Americans who aren’t white men While the mainstream press ignore them. A point that’s been made Often here.

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teleskiguy  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:06:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:07:36pm

re: #25 Big Beautiful Door

Samantha Bee just did a bit about interviewing working class Americans who aren’t white men While the mainstream press ignore them. A point that’s been made Often here.

Not just the mainstream press but even some Dem politicians. I like Biden a lot but he’s ignored that. Sanders certainly has.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:07:48pm

re: #26 teleskiguy

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Damn Dam

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teleskiguy  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:10:03pm

re: #28 Decatur Deb

Damn Dam

Learned this ditty in the first grade: “I went to the dam to get some dam water and the dam man said ‘don’t drink that dam water.’”

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:11:44pm

re: #17 Pineapple Pizzagate

These are the hard-working Norwegians they want;

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I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there were individuals in Trump’s inner circle who consider Anders Breivik as a model Norwegian.

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Skip Intro  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:12:50pm

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ObserverArt  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:14:04pm

re: #22 Decatur Deb

Got a lot of news to catch up on. I should visit Stormy Daniels’ site, just for the political analysis.

Let us know if there are a lot of articles to read.

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Jack Burton  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:14:04pm

re: #29 teleskiguy

Learned this ditty in the first grade: “I went to the dam to get some dam water and the dam man said ‘don’t drink that dam water.’”

Were you on the damn dam tour?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:14:06pm

i’d venture to guess that the trump recession might be triggered by the collapse of the current stock market euphoria

Eric Trump’s 401(k) is up by 35 percent, but half of American families don’t even have one

Appearing on Sean Hannity’s show on Fox News Channel this week, Eric Trump pointed to the stellar performance of his 401(k) as evidence that his father’s economic policies were helping average Americans. “I just opened up my 401(k), I haven’t looked at it in a year. It’s up by 35 percent. I didn’t think retirement was possible, and now it is,” Trump said.

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Jack Burton  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:15:06pm

re: #34 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

I thought if you made more than a certain amount you couldn’t contribute to a 401k or IRA?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:15:37pm

re: #31 Skip Intro

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Trump could so weigh 239 lbs, if his mean density approached that of meringue.

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teleskiguy  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:15:48pm

re: #33 Jack Burton

Were you on the damn dam tour?

I did take the deluxe tour of the Hoover Dam for my birthday in 2016.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:16:43pm

re: #35 Jack Burton

I thought if you made more than a certain amount you couldn’t contribute to a 401k or IRA?

Contributing to SS caps you.

401k, I’d think not.

Wonder if the yam org matches?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:16:47pm

re: #32 ObserverArt

Let us know if there are a lot of articles to read.

She seems to be too much behind.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:17:03pm

You can’t claim everything is just class and economics while ignoring that working class PoC are still reliably Democratic as WWC are Republican in many places. That’s something I’ve never seen answered by those who bemoan the loss of those voters. I’d be happy to have them vote for Dems but I’d be even happier if they got over the prejudices that lead them to Republicans too.

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Jack Burton  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:18:03pm

re: #31 Skip Intro

It *has* to be Kilograms, not pounds.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:20:27pm

re: #31 Skip Intro

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In the pursuit of accuracy, I have to disagree with that assessment. A much better fit would be that being his weight on Uranus (I’m going to avoid the obvious jokes here), which has only 85% of Earth gravity.

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Skip Intro  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:21:58pm

re: #35 Jack Burton

I thought if you made more than a certain amount you couldn’t contribute to a 401k or IRA?

$18,000 max tax deductible per year, so Eric is up around 5k.

Wheee!

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:22:30pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:23:13pm

re: #44 DodgerFan1988

Than. I know…English is hard when nazi is your first language.

Damn.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:24:50pm

re: #34 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

He didn’t think retirement was possible? Is the Trump Org. broke?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:25:08pm

re: #44 DodgerFan1988

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Doesn’t Gorka the Nazi have anything better to do than to try to troll Alyssa Milano.

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teleskiguy  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:25:13pm

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Kragar  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:25:34pm
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meteor  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:25:52pm
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jaunte  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:28:53pm
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Kragar  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:30:05pm

re: #51 jaunte

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Charles Johnson  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:31:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:31:48pm

re: #52 Kragar

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It’ll be ignored but the second a Democrat no matter how obscure does something close, FNC will act like the faux moralists they are.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:32:48pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

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LOL they really think people cared about this? Man Trump’s little hands are all over the RNC now too lol.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:32:49pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Narrator: Actually, the servers weren’t scaled up.

But Ms. Daniels’ might have been.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:33:40pm

re: #35 Jack Burton

I thought if you made more than a certain amount you couldn’t contribute to a 401k or IRA?

To have a 401(k) you have to have an employer that offers one. Then you can donate up to $18k tax deductible.

Anyone can have an IRA, but you cannot deduct contributions to a traditional IRA above a certain income. All contributions to a Roth IRA are not tax deductible, but the growth can be withdrawn in retirement tax-free so they’re a pretty sweet deal if you can manage that. However, there is an income limit on contributions to a Roth that are supposed to restrict their availability to folks in higher income brackets.

Of course, there’s the backdoor around that (post-tax contribution to a traditional that’s then rolled over to a Roth) that’s been around since about 2010.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:34:36pm

re: #46 Ace Rothstein

He didn’t think retirement was possible? Is the Trump Org. broke?

yeah :-) i know

maybe he just gets a salary or something and ivanka inherits everything…

or he could just be lying

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teleskiguy  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:34:47pm

Krager turned me on to this Twitter account, where it takes Joel Osteen’s tweets and replaces the word “God” with “your dick.” This one is… well, it’s something else.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:35:47pm

re: #59 teleskiguy

Krager turned me on to this Twitter account, where it takes Joel Osteen’s tweets and replaces the word “God” with “your dick.” This one is… well, it’s something else.

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That’s priceless.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:38:57pm

Trumps stupid website is up again.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:40:11pm

Not a single award to Fox. Shocked I am.//

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Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:43:08pm

re: #57 klys (maker of Silmarils)

To have a 401(k) you have to have an employer that offers one. Then you can donate up to $18k tax deductible.

Anyone can have an IRA, but you cannot deduct contributions to a traditional IRA above a certain income. All contributions to a Roth IRA are not tax deductible, but the growth can be withdrawn in retirement tax-free so they’re a pretty sweet deal if you can manage that. However, there is an income limit on contributions to a Roth that are supposed to restrict their availability to folks in higher income brackets.

Of course, there’s the backdoor around that (post-tax contribution to a traditional that’s then rolled over to a Roth) that’s been around since about 2010.

Do any of these instruments accept poultry as contributions? You know, for the doctors.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:43:38pm

re: #21 Patricia Kayden

Heartbreaking for all those Haitians who really needed those jobs. Mia Love met with Trump after his racist sh*thole remarks. Looks like she wasted her time.

And what will she do? Still march in lockstep with all the other RepubliKKKlans behind President Shittler!

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plansbandc  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:44:24pm

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:45:47pm

re: #64 Joe Bacon 🌹

And what will she do? Still march in lockstep with all the other RepubliKKKlans behind President Shittler!

I wonder if she’s in any danger of losing.

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Sister Inspired Revolver of Freedom  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:47:43pm

While I realize this will cause enormous problems for the citizens of the USA, a part of me is downright gleeful that this is going to happen. (Maybe. There’s still time to stop it.) Republicans control all 3 branches of your government. If it shuts down, it’s on them, and them alone. My hope, however faint, is that it will, once and for all, demonstrate how absolutely hopeless the GOP are at governing. They can’t even control their own president, who is a living, breathing demonstration of the cliche, The Emperor has no clothes. But of course, with the mass media being as hopeless as it is, there’s a real chance the GOP will be able to skate at least a little. I devoutly hope not. This appallingly pathetic bunch of incompetents, low life scum, and traitors has got to go!

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Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:48:02pm

re: #64 Joe Bacon 🌹

And what will she do? Still march in lockstep with all the other RepubliKKKlans behind President Shittler!

Mia Love represents Utahns. It’s remarkable that she hasn’t converted—to White.

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retired cynic  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:48:59pm

re: #9 retired cynic

Nancy LeTourneau works some of the same ground: Russian “Cyber”.

Robert Mueller’s investigation seems to be pursuing three major areas related to Donald Trump and his campaign:
Obstruction of justice
Money laundering
Cyber coordination with the Russians

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Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:49:05pm

re: #67 Sister Inspired Revolver of Freedom

Stand by for another Perils of Pauline budget rescue.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:49:17pm

re: #68 Decatur Deb

Mia Love represents Utahns. It’s remarkable that she hasn’t converted—to White.

She did the next best thing by going LDS.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:51:08pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:51:16pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

She did the next best thing by going LDS.

Did she really? Decent church music, but no Mississippi Mass Choir.

“When I Rose This Morning” - Mississippi Mass Choir

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HappyWarrior  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:52:09pm

re: #73 Decatur Deb

Did she really? Decent church music, but no Mississippi Mass Choir.

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Yeah she converted from Catholicism I believe.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:52:16pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

That’s priceless.

I read that to my wife and she suggested I change our wireless network name to “mydick”

Then the neighbours can see if it is up or down …

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:53:08pm

re: #59 teleskiguy

Krager turned me on to this Twitter account, where it takes Joel Osteen’s tweets and replaces the word “God” with “your dick.” This one is… well, it’s something else.

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Can Joel Dongsteen tell us who stole $600,000 from J0el 0$teen’s Church Safe?

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jaunte  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:53:50pm
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wheat-dogg  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:54:26pm

Public service announcement from Swedish wingnut now living in Norway. Lisbeth Salander is on the loose in Sweden. Stay away!!

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wheat-dogg  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:54:55pm

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹

I read that to my wife and she suggested I change our wireless network name to “mydick”

Then the neighbours can see if it is up or down …

Like the grand Old Duke of York?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:56:54pm

re: #65 plansbandc

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i’m tempted to start labelling the days after whatever bêtise that escaped the lips of Dear Leader, or insulting description, that currently dominates the discourse

by this measure Fucking Moron was quite a while ago, but more recently we had Stable Genius day I and II, followed by the defenestration of Sloppy Steve. of course right now we are at about Shithole IX (i’ve lost count), which might actually soon wear out its welcome

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:57:20pm

re: #79 wheat-dogg

Totally misread that as Dick of York.

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teleskiguy  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:58:59pm

re: #67 Sister Inspired Revolver of Freedom

One of my best friends is a geologist for the Bureau of Land Management. When the gov’t shuts down, he can’t work. Fuckin’ aye it causes enormous problems and the fact that you’re gleeful that “non-essential” federal employees will go without getting paid for an undetermined amount of time, I think, is offensive.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:59:13pm

Candy consolidation. How will it affect Starburst colors, and America’s political future? Stay tuned for a special CNN report.

[Starbursts are made by Wrigley’s, a subsidiary of the Mars Co., which is not consolidating. But just go with the joke, OK?]

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wheat-dogg  Jan 17, 2018 • 8:59:53pm

re: #81 Eclectic Cyborg

Totally misread that as Dick of York.

I am sure Boy Scouts have thought the same thing while singing that song.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:00:51pm

re: #83 wheat-dogg

Candy consolidation. How will it affect Starburst colors, and America’s political future? Stay tuned for a special CNN report.

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[Starbursts are made by Wrigley’s, a subsidiary of the Mars Co., which is not consolidating. But just go with the joke, OK?]

Upding for Joke Curation.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:03:14pm

Regarding the story about the racist University of Alabama sorority girl, the name was quite jarring. Just one letter different from a recent Miss Alabama (Hayley Barber) , an entirely different person. In high school she founded an organization that got eye exams for thousands of children. Talking with my wife one day, it turns out that we each knew her but did not know that the other spouse did.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:04:19pm

White supremacists in the United States killed more than twice as many people in 2017 as they did the year before, and were responsible for far more murders than domestic Islamic extremists, helping make 2017 the fifth deadliest year on record for extremist violence in America, a new report states.

The report, “Murder and Extremism in the United States in 2017,” published Tuesday by the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, said extremists killed 34 people last year. Twenty of those victims — or 59 percent — were killed by right-wing extremists, a designation that includes white supremacists, members of the so-called “alt-right” and “alt-lite,” and members of the anti-government militia movement.

Of the 34 people killed, 18 were murdered by white supremacists, marking a 157 percent increase over the 7 people killed by white supremacists in 2016.

digbysblog.blogspot.com

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Decatur Deb  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:05:08pm

re: #86 BlueSpotinAL

Regarding the story about the racist University of Alabama sorority girl, the name was quite jarring. Just one letter different from a recent Miss Alabama, an entirely different person. In high school she founded an organization that got eye exams for thousands of children. Talking with my wife one day, it turns out that we each knew her but did not know that the other spouse did.

In defense of the wretched Crimson, the racist in question was out-of-state from New Jersey.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:08:31pm

I’m still waiting for Franky Graham Cracker to chime in on this and give this serial adulterer his blessing…

Franky says—“Blessed is He who comes in the Name of THE LORD!!!!!!!
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:10:52pm

re: #87 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

White supremacists in the United States killed more than twice as many people in 2017 as they did the year before, and were responsible for far more murders than domestic Islamic extremists, helping make 2017 the fifth deadliest year on record for extremist violence in America, a new report states.

The report, “Murder and Extremism in the United States in 2017,” published Tuesday by the Anti-Defamation League’s Center on Extremism, said extremists killed 34 people last year. Twenty of those victims — or 59 percent — were killed by right-wing extremists, a designation that includes white supremacists, members of the so-called “alt-right” and “alt-lite,” and members of the anti-government militia movement.

Of the 34 people killed, 18 were murdered by white supremacists, marking a 157 percent increase over the 7 people killed by white supremacists in 2016.

digbysblog.blogspot.com

Do we know anything about what motivated the Stephen Paddock massacre? Could he have been impellled by some type of extremism? Or is it closer to Adam Lanza? Just another sociopath who killed courtesy of the NRA’s promotion of lethal weaponry for all.

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Renaissance_Man  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:28:07pm

re: #67 Sister Inspired Revolver of Freedom

While I realize this will cause enormous problems for the citizens of the USA, a part of me is downright gleeful that this is going to happen. (Maybe. There’s still time to stop it.) Republicans control all 3 branches of your government. If it shuts down, it’s on them, and them alone. My hope, however faint, is that it will, once and for all, demonstrate how absolutely hopeless the GOP are at governing. They can’t even control their own president, who is a living, breathing demonstration of the cliche, The Emperor has no clothes. But of course, with the mass media being as hopeless as it is, there’s a real chance the GOP will be able to skate at least a little. I devoutly hope not. This appallingly pathetic bunch of incompetents, low life scum, and traitors has got to go!

Republicans have shut down the government twice, deliberately, causing malicious damage and disruption to countless Americans. Both times, they have paid no penalty and borne no blame, because of a complicit media. I see no reason to believe that they will be held accountable this time either.

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teleskiguy  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:31:14pm
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teleskiguy  Jan 17, 2018 • 9:46:54pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:06:05pm

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:06:41pm

re: #94 The Ghost of a Flea

…and that’s why a 130K payment went down.

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scottslemmons  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:07:38pm

re: #94 The Ghost of a Flea

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The hair is uncanny.

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retired cynic  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:08:22pm

re: #96 scottslemmons

The hair is uncanny.

Hands are too big.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:21:16pm

White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly told Democratic lawmakers Wednesday that some of the hard-line immigration policies President Trump advocated during the campaign were “uninformed,” that the United States will never construct a wall along its entire southern border and that Mexico will never pay for it, according to people familiar with the meeting.

he must be getting tired of the gig

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:27:40pm

The way things are going I’m dreading a long long shutdown that still requires me to work and not get paid.

I’ll sit back and see what happens when people can’t get their income tax refunds because the IRS is shut down…in about 6 weeks people on Supplimental Security Income will lose the Federal portion of their checks…VA facilities will have skeleton crews, food inspectors and air traffic controllers will also be reduced…and the Corporate Media will continue to blame the Democrats…

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wheat-dogg  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:38:44pm

re: #88 Decatur Deb

In defense of the wretched Crimson, the racist in question was out-of-state from New Jersey.

From a mostly white township in NJ.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 17, 2018 • 10:57:07pm

re: #99 Joe Bacon 🌹

The way things are going I’m dreading a long long shutdown that still requires me to work and not get paid.

I’ll sit back and see what happens when people can’t get their income tax refunds because the IRS is shut down…in about 6 weeks people on Supplimental Security Income will lose the Federal portion of their checks…VA facilities will have skeleton crews, food inspectors and air traffic controllers will also be reduced…and the Corporate Media will continue to blame the Democrats…

I’m not looking forward to what they do with my Veterans Disability Compensation. I can’t seem to find if this is exempt or not. I’m also not looking forward to future medical appointments after the GOP guts the VA’s staff.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:02:09pm

This came across my Twitter. You history buffs will enjoy it. The music though I found a little annoying, like watching Pirates of the Caribbean but without any dramatic context.

The History of Europe: Every Year

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:04:42pm

Well, reading about the shutdown the GOP attempted to perpetrate in 2013, the answer was yes: The VA cuts off disability compensation in the event of a shutdown. In addition, other branches of the government that help veterans (such as the Small Business Administration or the Department of Labor) also shut down their veterans programs.

Yet somehow the GOP is the party that “supports the troops.”

I went through that crap when I was on active duty under Reagan, but at least at sea they still fed us. As a disabled vet now, it does look like if this goes through I’m truly screwed. I have some savings, and as my custom my electric, gas, and water are paid a couple months ahead, but the savings I have wouldn’t last very long.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:04:58pm

Air quality today is the shitz, but I have to go out anyway to fetch a package from the campus post office. If I’m not back by tomorrow, tell my family I loved them.

Srsly, AQI today is around 400. I really miss my old location where the AQIs were rarely above 100.

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Kragar  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:12:12pm
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Ace-o-aces  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:20:43pm
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Ace-o-aces  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:25:40pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:38:40pm

re: #102 wheat-dogg

This came across my Twitter. You history buffs will enjoy it. The music though I found a little annoying, like watching Pirates of the Caribbean but without any dramatic context.

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oh i love these moving picture historical maps so much!

yes i am definitely a history nerd!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:47:18pm

re: #106 Ace-o-aces

OOO he burned you …

And I’m the Queen of England.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:49:28pm

Wow there is some crazy on that guy’s semi-intelligible feed, everything from Katy Perry being part of the “deep state” to being a giant fan of Alex Jones.

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 17, 2018 • 11:55:17pm

re: #110 Anymouse 🌹

Wow there is some crazy on that guy’s semi-intelligible feed, everything from Katy Perry being part of the “deep state” to being a giant fan of Alex Jones.

He is a wellspring of unintentional comedy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:00:11am

re: #111 Ace-o-aces

He is a wellspring of unintentional comedy.

Or insanity, take your pick.

I’m going to head off to bed. I know calling my senators is useless since they have me on call block or something, and my representative says he only represents Republicans.

The best I could do is send out a local E-mail blast to folks around pointing out if a shutdown does occur it’s all on the GOP (they don’t need Democratic votes to pass bills) and disabled vets will be cut off. We’ll have to see where that goes.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:07:16am
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wheat-dogg  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:22:33am

re: #109 Anymouse 🌹

OOO he burned you …

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And I’m the Queen of England.

Perhaps this guy
linkedin.com

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Kragar  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:31:35am
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wheat-dogg  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:35:33am

re: #115 Kragar

The GOP: ruling from the 19th century.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:35:52am

re: #115 Kragar

Ann Coulter says the same thing. I think it’s a plank in their platform.

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Kragar  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:36:41am
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:50:24am

Ringo has a nice rack.

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Kragar  Jan 18, 2018 • 1:31:47am
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 18, 2018 • 1:44:13am
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 18, 2018 • 2:39:18am

re: #14 Kragar

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Looks like Austalia, Japan, Canada, and others are working to keep TPP alive—just without us/US.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 18, 2018 • 3:14:42am

re: #119 Single-handed sailor

That drummer looks like Sheila E.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 18, 2018 • 4:05:05am

re: #46 Ace Rothstein

He didn’t think retirement was possible? Is the Trump Org. broke?

The entire quote read like an Onion article.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 18, 2018 • 4:12:54am

Ah, another day. Hopefully I won’t feel muddy and overwhelmed like I did yesterday. Ever get that overwhelmed feeling, even though there isn’t anything all that important or pressing going on?

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 18, 2018 • 4:16:40am

re: #26 teleskiguy

That is when you lose roads, the water has to go somewhere, and it is the path of least resistance.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 18, 2018 • 4:24:01am

Oh, wait for Trump to go apeshit during every episode.

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Targetpractice  Jan 18, 2018 • 4:58:53am

So the GOP are supposed to vote on their bill today. My prediction: The “Freedom” Caucus will raise a stink and break ranks, but enough vulnerable Dems will likewise break from the DNC ranks to pass the bill on a hair thin margin. GOP leadership will take credit for have averting a shutdown despite the efforts of the DNC, the Dems who broke ranks will get chewed out for bailing out the GOP, and the media will treat the “crisis” as resolved and move on to the latest fluff piece about Trump voters.

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 5:05:05am

re: #86 BlueSpotinAL

Regarding the story about the racist University of Alabama sorority girl, the name was quite jarring. Just one letter different from a recent Miss Alabama (Hayley Barber) , an entirely different person. In high school she founded an organization that got eye exams for thousands of children. Talking with my wife one day, it turns out that we each knew her but did not know that the other spouse did.

Not to be confused with that sack o’crap Haley Barbour, who has me fighting waves of nausea as I envision the swimsuit competition.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 18, 2018 • 5:05:21am

Morning all! Threadlishous!

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Lupin  Jan 18, 2018 • 5:22:14am

re: #128 wheat-dogg

Oh, wait for Trump to go apeshit during every episode.

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The end of the world will indeed be televised.

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jeffreyw  Jan 18, 2018 • 5:24:13am

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Good morning!

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 18, 2018 • 5:25:01am

Nothing more tasty than dicing up some cold fried chicken and adding some mayo, mash with a fork, and serve on a bun. I can’t wait for lunch.

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 5:29:01am

re: #119 Single-handed sailor

Don’t fall asleep!

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I saw Edgar and his band two years ago, opening for Eric Burdon. It’s great to see him moving around the stage - I opened shows for him in the early 80s, and at that time he used a mixer and headphones on stage as his monitor so he was kind of nailed down in one spot. (I know that his albinoism renders him nearly blind, but it’s cool that wireless technology allows him to move around.)

And Sheila E is, I gotta say, still drop-dead gorgeous. And she can rock the hell out of a groove.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 18, 2018 • 5:29:03am

re: #133 jeffreyw

Squirrel Bomb!!

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 5:35:05am

Fuck the NRA.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 18, 2018 • 5:54:08am

re: #137 makeitstop

There are so many strings in the various Russia investigations. Dying for Mueller to tie a big bow on all of them and bring them together. This can’t end well for Republicans.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 18, 2018 • 5:56:50am

Gosh, I wonder what Hucky Boo Boo will do today when the GOP CR fails?

Oh what a feeling…
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nowherenorth2  Jan 18, 2018 • 5:57:37am

re: #139 Joe Bacon 🌹

What is seen can never be unseen….

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 18, 2018 • 5:57:58am

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Targetpractice  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:01:29am

re: #139 Joe Bacon 🌹

Gosh, I wonder what Hucky Boo Boo will do today when the GOP CR fails?

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Bubblehead II  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:06:16am

re: #139 Joe Bacon 🌹

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:08:58am

re: #139 Joe Bacon 🌹

Gosh, I wonder what Hucky Boo Boo will do today when the GOP CR fails?

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Dude. Hide that.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:11:14am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:11:21am

re: #141 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Disappointed that No Collusion missed the cut.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:12:05am

re: #139 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Citizen K  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:24:44am

Sadly, things like this convince me that folks like Bundy will never get their comeuppance, because the “people” are intent on making him a goddamn folk hero. Jury nullification will be the norm with these assholes for all time it seems:

Fear of the Federal Government in the Ranchlands of Oregon

A reminder that “real America” will remain forever alien to me. And that may be exactly the point.

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jeffreyw  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:26:00am

re: #139 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:27:04am

Beauty break?

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jeffreyw  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:28:54am

re: #139 Joe Bacon 🌹

We are NOT amused.
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dangerman  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:37:53am

morning all

i said this yesterday:

john kelly thinks he’s the puppetmaster

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:38:51am

re: #135 makeitstop

I saw Edgar and his band two years ago, opening for Eric Burdon. It’s great to see him moving around the stage - I opened shows for him in the early 80s, and at that time he used a mixer and headphones on stage as his monitor so he was kind of nailed down in one spot. (I know that his albinoism renders him nearly blind, but it’s cool that wireless technology allows him to move around.)

And Sheila E is, I gotta say, still drop-dead gorgeous. And she can rock the hell out of a groove.

Decent version of Frankenstein…but I miss the slick lead as done back in the day when I first saw Edgar’s White Trash. One time it was Ronnie Montrose, another time Rick Derringer.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:40:57am

re: #128 wheat-dogg

Oh, wait for Trump to go apeshit during every episode.

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I hope they cast Alec Baldwin.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:42:20am

The shutdown is now on since His Ass-Holeyness now opposes the part of the CR that extends CHIP…throwing another monkey wrench in the works…

talkingpointsmemo.com

On Thursday morning, President Trump torched that strategy with a single tweet, indicating that CHIP should not be attached to the short-term spending bill at all.

The declaration upends 11th-hour negotiations on Capitol Hill that were already teetering on the edge of collapse due both to Democratic opposition and internal Republican divisions.

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:43:15am

re: #133 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Looks like a fuzzy little interloper coming to clean up some of that bird seed. Gonna need more!

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Targetpractice  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:45:20am

re: #155 Joe Bacon 🌹

The shutdown is now on since His Ass-Holeyness now opposes the part of the CR that extends CHIP…throwing another monkey wrench in the works…

GOP: “We’re gonna be so clever by folding CHIP money into this bill, thus putting the DNC in a bind by forcing them to vote against it to spite us!”

Trump: “Yeah, I don’t feel that that money should be in the bill, but part of a long-term solution.”

GOP: “FFFFFFFFFF…..”

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jeffreyw  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:45:44am

re: #156 ObserverArt

We have plenty. I have a pic somewhere with 11 squirrels capering around a broadcast feeder.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:47:20am

So Trump shot them in the foot again. Heh.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:47:32am

re: #158 jeffreyw

11 squirrels would make a nice casserole. Just saying.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:50:38am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

So Trump shot them in the foot again. Heh.

It’s obvious Trump has wanted the shutdown all along. Knowing him he’s going to keep the government shut down until he forces as many Federal employees to quit as he can. Which was Newt Gingrich’s wet dream during the 1995-96 shutdown.

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jeffreyw  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:55:04am

re: #160 Shropshire Slasher

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The last time I shot a squirrel, I picked it up, still warm and limp, and wished I could undo what I did. Never hunted them again.

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:55:41am

re: #153 ObserverArt

Decent version of Frankenstein…but I miss the slick lead as done back in the day when I first saw Edgar’s White Trash. One time it was Ronnie Montrose, another time Rick Derringer.

I never saw Derringer with Edgar, but did see him with Johnny. Then when Rick left I saw Neil Geraldo (Benatar’s husband and another monster player) in Johnny’s band.

I saw Edgar with this band - Doug Rappaport is a shit-hot player. He hits just enough of Derringer’s solo in this one to make it identifiable, but then goes off. I really enjoyed watching Doug, he loves his work

Edgar Winter Group: Rock and Roll, Hoochie Koo by Rick Derringer (Sioux City, Iowa) 6/18/16

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:56:01am

re: #161 Joe Bacon 🌹

It’s obvious Trump has wanted the shutdown all along. Knowing him he’s going to keep the government shut down until he forces as many Federal employees to quit as he can. Which was Newt Gingrich’s wet dream during the 1995-96 shutdown.

Seems that way.

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Lupin  Jan 18, 2018 • 6:59:41am

re: #161 Joe Bacon 🌹

It’s obvious Trump has wanted the shutdown all along. Knowing him he’s going to keep the government shut down until he forces as many Federal employees to quit as he can. Which was Newt Gingrich’s wet dream during the 1995-96 shutdown.

Arguably a short-term pain for a long-term gain. IMHO it’ll take real suffering to compel your apathetic masses to rise up against the pluto-christo-trumpocrats.

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:01:03am

More Doug Rappaport. The dude wails.

Live at The Royal Albert Hall Guitar Solo Doug Rappoport

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:02:55am

I think 2018 is going to be a good year for Dems. I don’t know if we retake both Houses but we’ll lay the foundation for a 2020 return.

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Belafon  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:14:20am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

I think 2018 is going to be a good year for Dems. I don’t know if we retake both Houses but we’ll lay the foundation for a 2020 return.

I think we’ll retake the House. If we retake the Senate, Republicans will be shitting bricks and throwing them at Democrats for the next two years, because otherwise they’ll get crushed in the Senate in 2020.

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Sea Mexican!  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:16:25am

re: #168 Belafon

I think we’ll retake the House. If we retake the Senate, Republicans will be shitting bricks and throwing them at Democrats for the next two years, because otherwise they’ll get crushed in the Senate in 2020.

If they aren’t running for the (Moscow) hills.

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:17:54am

It would be a really sweet side effect to the investigation of Trump if Mueller could take down the NRA. It looks like they’ve got some explaining to do.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:19:47am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

I think 2018 is going to be a good year for Dems. I don’t know if we retake both Houses but we’ll lay the foundation for a 2020 return.

I’m hoping but I expect Republicans to pull every dirty trick to keep the vote down—more voter ID, eliminating early voting, cutting the number of machines in Democratic wards, KKKobach’s KKKrosscheck, restricting voter registration and removing the voter trails from hacked machines…

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:20:05am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:21:23am

re: #172 makeitstop

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Yep but he’s a stable genius.

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MsJ  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:21:37am

re: #91 Renaissance_Man

Republicans have shut down the government twice, deliberately, causing malicious damage and disruption to countless Americans. Both times, they have paid no penalty and borne no blame, because of a complicit media. I see no reason to believe that they will be held accountable this time either.

The Boston Globe has an article up that it is the Dems fault if there is a Gov shutdown. I read it and did not get - at all - what they were talking about. It was really weird.

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MsJ  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:24:24am

re: #109 Anymouse 🌹

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:24:36am

re: #174 MsJ

The Boston Globe has an article up that it is the Dems fault if there is a Gov shutdown. I read it and did not get - at all - what they were talking about. It was really weird.

No.

It’s par for the course.

The Globe is just another cog in the Republican Disinformation Machine.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:25:54am

Conservatives still don’t get it. George Will has an oped today about liberals and nostalgia. And you know, may well be but this is a man whose ideology does nothing but romanticize the 50’s and the Reagan years and we got bigger fish to fry than that.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:26:42am

re: #175 MsJ

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Ha!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:26:54am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:29:05am

re: #177 HappyWarrior

Conservatives still don’t get it. George Will has an oped today about liberals and nostalgia. And you know, may well be but this is a man whose ideology does nothing but romanticize the 50’s and the Reagan years and we got bigger fish to fry than that.

I’ll NEVER forget how George Will got a hold of Carter’s debate briefing book and gave it to the Reagan campaign. And did he suffer any consequences in doing that?

Nope. Our Corporate Disinformation Machine let him continue to spread the Gospel of Ayn Rand unchecked!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:29:56am

re: #180 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’ll NEVER forget how George Will got a hold of Carter’s debate briefing book and gave it to the Reagan campaign. And did he suffer any consequences in doing that?

Nope. Our Corporate Disinformation Machine let him continue to spread the Gospel of Ayn Rand unchecked!

Yeah Will may hate Trump but he’s still a dick.

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ipsos  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:30:22am

re: #176 Joe Bacon 🌹

No.

It’s par for the course.

The Globe is just another cog in the Republican Disinformation Machine.

Now that’s just silly.

I’m sitting here looking at a recent Sunday front page in my recycling bin, which is dominated by a long (and good) article about how good Obama is looking in retrospect.

bostonglobe.com

Even their token conservative columnist, Jeff Jacoby, is pretty solidly anti-Trump, roughly along Jennifer Rubin lines.

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Jay C  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:38:38am

re: #171 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m hoping but I expect Republicans to pull every dirty trick to keep the vote down—more voter ID, eliminating early voting, cutting the number of machines in Democratic wards, KKKobach’s KKKrosscheck, restricting voter registration and removing the voter trails from hacked machines…

Probably: but i’m wondering if that’s going to be enough to help much in (what one fervently hopes is) a “blue wave” election year. For one thing, Democratic (anti-Republican, anti-Trump) voters - who are the majority, after all - are, and have been, quite motivated to get off their asses and actually vote. For another, GOP vote-suppression efforts have been exposed and challenged in several states: their ID/registrations/polling-place shenanigans have come under judicial scrutiny in many locations: and the courts have (AFAICT) generally come down on the voters’ side. So far, anyway. If I were in charge of election strategy for the DNC, I’d make sure that GOTV efforts have a pretty high priority: and challenging voting-rights restrictions (preferably tagged with a “Why don’t Republicans want you to vote?” line) a major part of it.
Of course, the “motivation factor” works both ways: Republicans are going to be desperate to hang on to power (especially in statehouses) the 2018 midterms (IMO) are going to be an especially nasty affair.

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:40:00am

re: #163 makeitstop

I never saw Derringer with Edgar, but did see him with Johnny. Then when Rick left I saw Neil Geraldo (Benatar’s husband and another monster player) in Johnny’s band.

I saw Edgar with this band - Doug Rappaport is a shit-hot player. He hits just enough of Derringer’s solo in this one to make it identifiable, but then goes off. I really enjoyed watching Doug, he loves his work

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He’s pretty good.

Say, that looks like the Cheap Tricksters equipment set up behind them. If so that would be a good show…kinda like a stab from the past.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:42:39am

What would be considered a “win” in 2018?

Taking a few random seats?
Taking the House?
Taking the House and Senate?

Asking for a friend.

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:43:50am

re: #168 Belafon

I think we’ll retake the House. If we retake the Senate, Republicans will be shitting bricks and throwing them at Democrats for the next two years, because otherwise they’ll get crushed in the Senate in 2020.

Heard some speculation that Trump thinks if the Dems take the house, he will be a shoe-in for President in 2020.

Gotta stop that kind of thinking.

Also, I understand the New York Times is gonna do similar comment page tomorrow as they did today. Difference is it will be Trump supporters disappointed they voted for him.

I guess Clinton voters just plain do not count.

Gotta change that too.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:46:39am

re: #186 ObserverArt

If the Democrats take the house, they will impeach Trump.

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Citizen K  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:47:25am

re: #186 ObserverArt

Heard some speculation that Trump thinks if the Dems take the house, he will be a shoe-in for President in 2020.

Gotta stop that kind of thinking.

Also, I understand the New York Times is gonna do similar comment page tomorrow as they did today. Difference is it will be Trump supporters disappointed they voted for him.

I guess Clinton voters just plain do not count.

Gotta change that too.

The problem is how to change that. Especially with the last one, because we’ve seen how they, and other media outlets, tend to react to left-wing critique, compared to right-wing outrage. They kowtow to the latter and promise more ‘balanced’ reportage, and the turn around and act offended and persecuted at the former. No matter the volume of either.

Fixing the entire thing is an institutional undertaking.

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:47:37am

re: #175 MsJ

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Warning!

Aussie’s have their very own lexicon.

Imma thinking this is a slur on a group, if you get my drift. Key word is riding. As in, well riding. If you get my drift.

I worked around a ton of Aussies and New Zealanders in racing. They don’t have a lot of filters.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:48:17am

re: #186 ObserverArt

Heard some speculation that Trump thinks if the Dems take the house, he will be a shoe-in for President in 2020.

Gotta stop that kind of thinking.

Also, I understand the New York Times is gonna do similar comment page tomorrow as they did today. Difference is it will be Trump supporters disappointed they voted for him.

I guess Clinton voters just plain do not count.

Gotta change that too.

BBD brought up that Full Frontal talked with some blur collar voters who aren’t just white guys. I haven’t seen the clip yet but I appreciate it given that I think those voters are even ignored by many Democrats and left leaning politicians like Sanders and Biden. There’s a reason why PoC working class voters embrace the Democratic Party as much as white working class especially men disdain it. And I’ve never gotten a concrete answer from those like Sanders or Biden as to why. I like Biden a lot but he seems naive about prejudice in the WWC community. Sanders is hopeless on that.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:48:24am

re: #82 teleskiguy

One of my best friends is a geologist for the Bureau of Land Management. When the gov’t shuts down, he can’t work. Fuckin’ aye it causes enormous problems and the fact that you’re gleeful that “non-essential” federal employees will go without getting paid for an undetermined amount of time, I think, is offensive.

Not only will we not get paid for an unknown period of time, we may not get paid at all. If congress doesn’t authorize a bill for back-payment, we are screwed.

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Weaselone  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:49:24am

re: #186 ObserverArt

Also, I understand the New York Times is gonna do similar comment page tomorrow as they did today. Difference is it will be Trump supporters disappointed they voted for him.

I guess Clinton voters just plain do not count.

Gotta change that too.

Maybe Clinton supporters should all pretend to be disaffected Trump voters. Then the media would cover us.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:49:39am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:53:11am

re: #191 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Not only will we not get paid for an unknown period of time, we may not get paid at all. If congress doesn’t authorize a bill for back-payment, we are screwed.

And from what I’m hearing according to NARFE that is what the FreeDUMB KKKauKKKus wants to do whenever a CR is passed…

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Belafon  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:53:35am

re: #186 ObserverArt

Heard some speculation that Trump thinks if the Dems take the house, he will be a shoe-in for President in 2020.

Gotta stop that kind of thinking.

Also, I understand the New York Times is gonna do similar comment page tomorrow as they did today. Difference is it will be Trump supporters disappointed they voted for him.

I guess Clinton voters just plain do not count.

Gotta change that too.

That only works if the president is popular.

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Belafon  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:55:32am

re: #187 Shropshire Slasher

If the Democrats take the house, they will impeach Trump.

1. They already have been trying to file impeachment.
2. If the don’t control both houses, not much is going to happen on that front.
3. They will be able to launch real investigations.
4. Democrats filed impeachment articles on Nixon for a couple of years before the actual proceedings got under way.

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:55:50am

re: #190 HappyWarrior

BBD brought up that Full Frontal talked with some blur collar voters who aren’t just white guys. I haven’t seen the clip yet but I appreciate it given that I think those voters are even ignored by many Democrats and left leaning politicians like Sanders and Biden. There’s a reason why PoC working class voters embrace the Democratic Party as much as white working class especially men disdain it. And I’ve never gotten a concrete answer from those like Sanders or Biden as to why. I like Biden a lot but he seems naive about prejudice in the WWC community. Sanders is hopeless on that.

I like Joe too, but he is past time.

As a 63 year old, I think I have the right to say this.

Old White Dudes. Old Thinking.

Time for Younger People…color, orientation, gender not important. Spirit. Heart. Brains. Those are more important than ever.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:56:11am

re: #194 Joe Bacon 🌹

And from what I’m hearing according to NARFE that is what the FreeDUMB KKKauKKKus wants to do whenever a CR is passed…

Of course. We’re just free-loaders and leeches on the backs of hard working red-staters.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:56:20am

re: #82 teleskiguy

One of my best friends is a geologist for the Bureau of Land Management. When the gov’t shuts down, he can’t work. Fuckin’ aye it causes enormous problems and the fact that you’re gleeful that “non-essential” federal employees will go without getting paid for an undetermined amount of time, I think, is offensive.

Thanks for posting that! Appreciated!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:57:03am

re: #188 Citizen K

The problem is how to change that. Especially with the last one, because we’ve seen how they, and other media outlets, tend to react to left-wing critique, compared to right-wing outrage. They kowtow to the latter and promise more ‘balanced’ reportage, and the turn around and act offended and persecuted at the former. No matter the volume of either.

Fixing the entire thing is an institutional undertaking.

We need to move from critiques to Corey Booker-style outrage. Moron-Americans mistake the Conservative’s propaganda-based, misplaced-outrage for strength, and think intelligent responses are weakness.

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 7:57:27am

re: #195 Belafon

That only works if the president is popular.

This is Trump we are talking about. He thinks he is wildly popular. Any other thinking is from fake news.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:00:12am

re: #197 ObserverArt

I like Joe too, but he is past time.

As a 63 year old, I think I have the right to say this.

Old White Dudes. Old Thinking.

Time for Younger People…color, orientation, gender not important. Spirit. Heart. Brains. Those are more important than ever.

Yep. We’ve got a lot of fresh voices. I’m really liking Kamala. I like Booker too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:01:37am

re: #200 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

We need to move from critiques to Corey Booker-style outrage. Moron-Americans mistake the Conservative’s propaganda-based, misplaced-outrage for strength, and think intelligent responses are weakness.

Wasn’t a coincidence that I saw far left bs pushed on Booker. Thankfully someone corrected the record and most calmed down. Cory has my ear since he’s a great voice on CJ reform.

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Citizen K  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:02:01am

re: #200 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

We need to move from critiques to Corey Booker-style outrage. Moron-Americans mistake the Conservative’s propaganda-based, misplaced-outrage for strength, and think intelligent responses are weakness.

I mean, it’s not even just that the Moron-Americans (as you put it) mistake outrage for strength. The so-called ‘liberal media’ outlets do too, combined with the slavish devotion to ‘both sides same thing’ and ‘IOKIYAR’ platitudes. If it’s mildly critical, they respond with outrage at being challenged. If it’s pointed outrage, they dismiss you outright as being too ‘emotional’ and clearly not worth listening to, unlike those fine folks in the rural areas who they keep courting to and asking their damnable opinions on ad nauseam.

It’s a symptom of an entire huge crisis, where news continues to treat the GOP as default for governance, and treat them as the only legitimate game in town, and Dems have to prove themselves in triplicate to ever even get a mic.

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:02:59am

re: #184 ObserverArt

He’s pretty good.

Say, that looks like the Cheap Tricksters equipment set up behind them. If so that would be a good show…kinda like a stab from the past.

Yep, can’t miss Neilsen’s rig. Still probably my favorite band ever, outside of those guys from England.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:03:23am

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retired cynic  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:13:29am

re: #147 Unshaken Defiance

I recognize Spice!

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:18:25am

re: #205 makeitstop

Yep, can’t miss Neilsen’s rig. Still probably my favorite band ever, outside of those guys from England.

My 13 yo has Cheap Trick greatest hits on constantly in our car these days (my CD).

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:24:20am
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William Lewis  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:26:47am

re: #208 Barefoot Grin

My 13 yo has Cheap Trick greatest hits on constantly in our car these days (my CD).

My boy might recognize Cheap Trick (especially Surrender or Dream Police) but he’s more inclined to putting in my Replacements mix or My Chemical Romance’s last album.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:27:22am

re: #203 HappyWarrior

Wasn’t a coincidence that I saw far left bs pushed on Booker. Thankfully someone corrected the record and most calmed down. Cory has my ear since he’s a great voice on CJ reform.

Did Booker say something about Russian election meddling? That usually gets the far left fired up because America is bad, too, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:28:17am

re: #209 The Vicious Babushka

NYTIMES WHAT THE UTTER FUCK

Stephens is a dingus VB but it’s satirical.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:29:03am

re: #82 teleskiguy

One of my best friends is a geologist for the Bureau of Land Management. When the gov’t shuts down, he can’t work. Fuckin’ aye it causes enormous problems and the fact that you’re gleeful that “non-essential” federal employees will go without getting paid for an undetermined amount of time, I think, is offensive.

Yeah, me, too. I work for the feds in DC and a shutdown means I don’t get paid (on schedule anyway).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:29:19am

re: #211 Sir John Barron

Did Booker say something about Russian election meddling? That usually gets the far left fired up because America is bad, too, etc.

No it was Booker’s Nielsen shutdown which raised the myth again that he’s a tool of Big Pharma.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:30:25am

My youngest brother has gone Deadhead.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:30:37am
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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:31:30am

Swearing in of Governor of New Jersey and his son flashes a sign at 1:20. Damn, so many conspiracies.

Swearing-in of Governor Phil Murphy

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:32:29am

re: #216 Ace Rothstein

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I’d be depressed too if I couldn’t get erect and constantly portrayed myself as a macho tough guy.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:32:55am

re: #155 Joe Bacon 🌹

You and I are fucked.

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William Lewis  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:33:10am

re: #215 HappyWarrior

My youngest brother has gone Deadhead.

Other jam bands too or just Deadhead, the poor thing? Er, I mean, well, you know… < whistles innocently >

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:34:29am

re: #208 Barefoot Grin

My 13 yo has Cheap Trick greatest hits on constantly in our car these days (my CD).

Raisin’ ‘em right, you are. :)

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Dr. Matt  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:34:52am

re: #217 Shropshire Slasher

Swearing in of Governor of New Jersey and his son flashes a sign at 1:20. Damn, so many conspiracies.

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Looks like he’s playing the “circle game” on a grand scale. Well played.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:34:59am

re: #220 William Lewis

Other jam bands too or just Deadhead, the poor thing? Er, I mean, well, you know… < whistles innocently >

Ha not sure.

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retired cynic  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:35:21am

re: #193 Dave In Austin

Do you have a recipe for bark butter, or is it something you can purchase down there?

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calochortus  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:36:25am

re: #216 Ace Rothstein

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:36:43am

re: #213 Sir John Barron

Yeah, me, too. I work for the feds in DC and a shutdown means I don’t get paid (on schedule anyway).

The thing that was annoying during the 2013 shutdown was how wingnuts willingly butchered the definition of “non essential.”

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:38:05am

re: #216 Ace Rothstein

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Great, a potentially depressed president who’s already fucked in the head. That’s just great.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:38:47am

re: #214 HappyWarrior

No it was Booker’s Nielsen shutdown which raised the myth again that he’s a tool of Big Pharma.

Yeah and Hillary made a speech to Goldman Sachs so both sides, etc.

/

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:39:59am

re: #228 Sir John Barron

Yeah and Hillary made a speech to Goldman Sachs so both sides, etc.

/

Yeah. Sigh. Booker has rubbed me the wrong way before fwiw but he’d be a good president.

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:40:09am

re: #220 William Lewis

Other jam bands too or just Deadhead, the poor thing? Er, I mean, well, you know… < whistles innocently >

As someone who grew up in that era, I have to admit that I just never got it. I have friends who saw them literally hundreds of times. Just way too laid-back for my tastes.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:41:10am

re: #230 makeitstop

As someone who grew up in that era, I have to admit that I just never got it. I have friends who saw them literally hundreds of times. Just way too laid-back for my tastes.

You need to be on LSD to really appreciate their music.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:41:34am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

The thing that was annoying during the 2013 shutdown was how wingnuts willingly butchered the definition of “non essential.”

Well, I’ll admit I’m not exactly an essential employee, I don’t work on the frontline or service external customers (I do analysis stuff for higher ups). And I could probably go a month without a paycheck, but it wouldn’t be fun. So yeah a shutdown puts a burden on people.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:41:55am

re: #230 makeitstop

As someone who grew up in that era, I have to admit that I just never got it. I have friends who saw them literally hundreds of times. Just way too laid-back for my tastes.

I’ve liked what I have heard but I’m more into fast paced stuff too.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:42:03am

re: #210 William Lewis

My boy might recognize Cheap Trick (especially Surrender or Dream Police) but he’s more inclined to putting in my Replacements mix or My Chemical Romance’s last album.

Ha! I don’t have any My Chemical Romance, but the 13 has figured out the melody line to “I Will Dare” on guitar (he’s just starting out these last couple of months).

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:42:12am

re: #231 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You need to be on LSD to really appreciate their music.

I even tried that! Folkies with amps. That’s all I ever got out of it. :)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:42:44am

re: #232 Sir John Barron

Well, I’ll admit I’m not exactly an essential employee, I don’t work on the frontline or service external customers (I do analysis stuff for higher ups). And I could probably go a month without a paycheck, but it wouldn’t be fun. So yeah a shutdown puts a burden on people.

Right, that’s my point. They don’t care about the burdens shutdowns cause.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:44:14am

Okay so what is this tidepod thing?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:44:27am

re: #235 makeitstop

I even tried that! Folkies with amps. That’s all I ever got out of it. :)

It was the Mickey Hart drum solos that brought me to the shows. Well, that and the inexpensive acid. That drum solo and light-show during a thunderstorm at Soldier Field was amazing.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:44:51am

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Okay so what is this tidepod thing?

I do my laundry with them, other people put them in their mouths.

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:45:39am

re: #210 William Lewis

My boy might recognize Cheap Trick (especially Surrender or Dream Police) but he’s more inclined to putting in my Replacements mix or My Chemical Romance’s last album.

If you don’t have it, get the very first album. A dark American masterpiece.

That and the first Ramones were in heavy rotation for about a year in my bedroom.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:45:49am

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Right, that’s my point. They don’t care about the burdens shutdowns cause.

People in my office worry that they won’t pay us for the time lost in the next shutdown (they did end up paying us later for the time lost in the 2013 shutdown). I’m still optimistic they would ultimately reimburse us but you never know. And of course a shutdown is just a waste all the way around whether they pay us eventually or not.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:45:53am

It would be so great if Trump could have these brain farts in private and then get corrected before it goes public. Shit’s embarrassing and dangerous.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:46:41am

re: #240 makeitstop

If you don’t have it, get the very first album. A dark American masterpiece.

That and the first Ramones were in heavy rotation for about a year in my bedroom.

The first album is all I really need, though I like their other stuff. But, my god. “Ballad of TV Violence,” etc.

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:46:58am

re: #238 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It was the Mickey Hart drum solos that brought me to the shows. Well, that and the inexpensive acid. That drum solo and light-show during a thunderstorm at Soldier Field was amazing.

I’ll cop to liking Mickey. He always seemed interested in pushing the envelope.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:47:08am

re: #242 Barefoot Grin

CHIP should be part of a long term solution, not a 30 Day, or short term, extension!

— Donald J. Trump

Budgets, too, but you do you.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:48:18am

re: #244 makeitstop

I’ll cop to liking Mickey. He always seemed interested in pushing the envelope.

He’s written several books, and recorded tribal drums from around the world too. Impressive guy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:48:42am

re: #239 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I do my laundry with them, other people put them in their mouths.

Kids these days.

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William Lewis  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:49:58am

re: #231 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You need to be on LSD to really appreciate their music.

Honestly, that never even helped as far as I was concerned. I liked the well structured songs they would do like Casey Jones, Uncle John’s Band, Friend of the Devil, Sugar Magnolia, Truckin’, Touch of Grey, etc. but out of the studio & in concert? I found myself bored. Not as bad as the Phish concert my ex took us to at Alpine Valley but still…

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:51:28am

re: #209 The Vicious Babushka

NYTIMES WHAT THE UTTER FUCK

I understand what he is try to say and do. It does not work.

He’s trying to outrage with the headline and then work his way through the historical past when some wanted Jews banned and how those reasons are very much the same crap Trump and Company spew today.

Then he waits until the end to say, hey, the Jewish Americans worked out very well, why would not others from other countries.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:51:36am

This is what happens when you elect someone whose only idea of the job comes from TV and his ego.

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CongoJack  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:52:09am

re: #247 HappyWarrior

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:52:41am

re: #249 ObserverArt

I understand what he is try to say and do. It does not work.

He’s trying to outrage with the headline and then work his way through the historical past when some wanted Jews banned and how those reasons are very much the same crap Trump and Company spew today.

Then he waits until the end to say, hey, the Jewish Americans worked out very well, why would not others from other countries.

It would have worked better without the Red great uncle stuff.

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:52:45am

re: #251 CongoJack

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Gotta admit, they do look tasty.
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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:53:27am

re: #251 CongoJack

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I know. I was being silly. BTW how’s your wife and little boy doing?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:54:00am

re: #251 CongoJack

Those look tastier than the Tide pods.

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William Lewis  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:54:09am

re: #234 Barefoot Grin

Ha! I don’t have any My Chemical Romance, but the 13 has figured out the melody line to “I Will Dare” on guitar (he’s just starting out these last couple of months).

Heh. That’s a good one. “Unsatisfied” might be one he’d like to try too.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:54:10am

re: #212 HappyWarrior

re: #209 The Vicious Babushka

NYTIMES WHAT THE UTTER FUCK

As Happy Warrior pointed out, Stephens was being totally supportive of immigration from Haiti and Africa and actually attacking the Trump attitude.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:54:43am

re: #255 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Those look tastier than the Tide pods.

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Nah that looks like toothpaste.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:55:15am

re: #209 The Vicious Babushka

NYTIMES WHAT THE UTTER FUCK

He’s laying out an argument why banning Jew would have been bad.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:56:10am

re: #257 Hecuba’s daughter

As Happy Warrior pointed out, Stephens was being totally supportive of immigration from Haiti and Africa and actually attacking the Trump attitude.

Yeah it’s actually not that bad a piece though I think Stephens loses his effectiveness ranting about his communist great uncle. The guy is a dingus aside from this but this was satirical.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:57:00am

re: #256 William Lewis

Heh. That’s a good one. “Unsatisfied” might be one he’d like to try too.

Love that one. Whenever I think he might be going too dark because he’s listening to my old CDs I remember that he also spends a fair amount of time listening to “Hamilton.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:57:34am

re: #259 Colère Tueur de Lapin

He’s laying out an argument why banning Jew would have been bad.

Yep. And how the same attacks on Jews are used on Hispanics, Africans, & those from the Carribean.

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:58:20am

Well, here’s a surprise. Someone must have pulled Nunes aside and threatened to kick his treasonous ass.

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William Lewis  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:59:14am

re: #240 makeitstop

If you don’t have it, get the very first album. A dark American masterpiece.

That and the first Ramones were in heavy rotation for about a year in my bedroom.

Oh, I get Cheap Trick but being up in Northern WI I was more influenced by Minneapolis than Rockford so it wasn’t till Budokan that I heard of them & then fell for Heaven Tonight. But growing up it was The Clash, The Who & Husker Du that kept me something close to sane with huge helpings of The Ramones, Patti Smith Group & the A side of “Boston”.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 18, 2018 • 8:59:27am

re: #263 makeitstop

I’ll believe it when they release every page, and I mean EVERY SINGLE PAGE of it.

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William Lewis  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:01:20am

re: #261 Barefoot Grin

Love that one. Whenever I think he might be going too dark because he’s listening to my old CDs I remember that he also spends a fair amount of time listening to “Hamilton.”

Dark music lets it out into the light of day and makes it easier, in the end, to deal with.

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CongoJack  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:01:39am

re: #254 HappyWarrior

He is doing well! 2 months 25 days old, over 13 lbs, loudest poops I’ve ever heard and he actually sleeping 5 hours straight a night. He is giggling and smiling constantly (only ever fussy if he is waiting for a bottle or boob). I’ll have to get a more recent picture show him off.

All in all parenting isn’t too hard when the little bugger is cute and happy the whole time. Teething starts soon so I am sure I am in for a rude awakening when that starts.

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:02:16am

re: #235 makeitstop

I even tried that! Folkies with amps. That’s all I ever got out of it. :)

Folkies with amps on LSD that get three minutes into a song and get lost as to where they are but still remember the basic chords and arrangement then spend the next twenty minutes trying to figure out how to get everyone back onto the main progression so they can end the damn song.

: )

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:02:41am

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Okay so what is this tidepod thing?

Stupid.

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:04:02am

re: #240 makeitstop

If you don’t have it, get the very first album. A dark American masterpiece.

That and the first Ramones were in heavy rotation for about a year in my bedroom.

The first Cheap Trick is still in my rotation. It’s in my car right now. I love that album for the pure raw rocking it is.

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Jay C  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:04:51am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s actually not that bad a piece though I think Stephens loses his effectiveness ranting about his communist great uncle. The guy is a dingus aside from this but this was satirical.

I agree: not very well written, IMO: but the basic thesis is sound - xenophobic (sorry, “nationalistic”!) arguments from a hundred ago about how “all Jews” are ghetto-minded criminal misfits who shouldn’t be allowed into the US are the same ones Trump and his creatures spout off nowadays about “immigrants” in general. And have about the same basis in reality.
Though yeah, tossing in the stuff about his old Commie uncle didn’t add much: I noticed some of the NYT commenters (who were generally sympathetic) bringing it up as a negative….

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:08:24am

re: #266 William Lewis

Dark music lets it out into the light of day and makes it easier, in the end, to deal with.

Well said. Your list dovetails well with mine—started the “normal” way, though from Beatles and Stones to Who and on back home to explore my brother’s record collection (he is eight years older than I am). Friends introduced me to Minneapolis (one went to St. Johns up there). I took a detour through Athens, but to be honest, I never really made it to Seattle in a big way.

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:08:32am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

It would have worked better without the Red great uncle stuff.

Or the headline. He could have done something like “America wanted to ban the Jews too” or “Look where banning the Jews got us”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:08:36am

re: #271 Jay C

I agree: not very well written, IMO: but the basic thesis is sound - xenophobic (sorry, “nationalistic”!) arguments from a hundred ago about how “all Jews” are ghetto-minded criminal misfits who shouldn’t be allowed into the US are the same ones Trump and his creatures spout off nowadays about “immigrants” in general. And have about the same basis in reality.
Though yeah, tossing in the stuff about his old Commie uncle didn’t add much: I noticed some of the NYT commenters (who were generally sympathetic) bringing it up as a negative….

Yeah it just didn’t belong. Sound basic premise as you said but he nearly lost me on the Uncle. I think that was his way of letting his conservative readers know he’s one of them. I dunno tho. But yes even though I’m not Jewish myself, I understood completely since a lot of the same crap was said about the Irish and Slavs.

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:09:27am

re: #268 ObserverArt

Folkies with amps on LSD that get three minutes into a song and get lost as to where they are but still remember the basic chords and arrangement then spend the next twenty minutes trying to figure out how to get everyone back onto the main progression so they can end the damn song.

: )

Okay, that made me LOL.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:10:18am

re: #273 ObserverArt

Or the headline. He could have done something like “America wanted to ban the Jews too” or “Look where banning the Jews got us”

Nah. The headline grabs your attention. It’s Swiftian in spirit. That said, if he’s going to use that as a headline, the whole piece should remain satirical.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:12:19am

Moms grandmother just missed being excluded in the 1924 Act. Mom having all four immigrant grandparents is a lot more sympathetic than Dad who had only one and that one came as a child. Dad’s not a “nationalist” or xenophobic but I think could be more sympathetic or understanding what’s going on.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:13:27am

re: #267 CongoJack

He is doing well! 2 months 25 days old, over 13 lbs, loudest poops I’ve ever heard and he actually sleeping 5 hours straight a night. He is giggling and smiling constantly (only ever fussy if he is waiting for a bottle or boob). I’ll have to get a more recent picture show him off.

All in all parenting isn’t too hard when the little bugger is cute and happy the whole time. Teething starts soon so I am sure I am in for a rude awakening when that starts.

Good to know. My niece is four in March. She’s developing so much personality.

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:14:23am

re: #270 ObserverArt

The first Cheap Trick is still in my rotation. It’s in my car right now. I love that album for the pure raw rocking it is.

The album that nearly never saw the light of day and that rocks like a bastard is the re-recording of ‘In Color’ produced by Steve Albini.

Cheap Trick -Steve Albini Sessions 1997

That’s what that album should have sounded like in the first place.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:16:16am

For those of you with 3D printers. Ultimaker has made a lot of troubleshooting tips available on the web that apply to all extrusion printers. ultimaker.com

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:17:27am

re: #279 makeitstop

The album that nearly never saw the light of day and that rocks like a bastard is the re-recording of ‘In Color’ produced by Steve Albini.

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That’s what that album should have sounded like in the first place.

Whoa, I have to have that. Thank you!

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:17:59am

re: #275 makeitstop

Okay, that made me LOL.

Many years ago a good friend and his wife went to a show at an outdoor party venue called Legend Valley (eastern Ohio hills) to see Lenny Kravitz. The headliner was The Dead. My buddy asked me what I thought of The Dead and what to expect.

I told him basically that same bit about starting, getting lost and then coming back around to finish. I think I said they could walk away and get a hot dog mid-song and not miss anything too.

A few days later I asked him what he thought of The Dead. He said about midway through the first jam he and his wife looked at each other and burst out laughing saying to each other how right I was.

I shoulda been a rock critic.

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:18:56am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Nah. The headline grabs your attention. It’s Swiftian in spirit. That said, if he’s going to use that as a headline, the whole piece should remain satirical.

Ask VB what she thinks of the headline.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:20:49am

re: #283 ObserverArt

Ask VB what she thinks of the headline.

I know and I understand her problem but it’s meant to be that way. We mock wingnuts for not understanding satire. This headline poor as it may be was intended that way given the content.

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gocart mozart  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:23:19am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:23:31am

Not trying to say VB didn’t have a legit gripe but the headline vs what’s actually in the piece are different. TBH if I were writing such a piece, I may well use something like No Irish Need Apply or something like that. Stephens is a RW dingus but he’s correct that the antisemitism of the early 20th century directed at Jewish immigrants is no different than the groups Trump goes after today.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:23:49am

re: #285 gocart mozart

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Oh snap.

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:24:50am

re: #281 Barefoot Grin

Whoa, I have to have that. Thank you!

It was never ‘officially’ released - they did it at Albini’s studio when they had a couple of days off and never finished it. There used to be MP3s of it out in the wild, and you might still be able to find them. If you can’t, I’ve got them on one drive or another here - message me and I’ll toss them up on my server and send you a link.

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:26:57am

re: #286 HappyWarrior

Not trying to say VB didn’t have a legit gripe but the headline vs what’s actually in the piece are different. TBH if I were writing such a piece, I may well use something like No Irish Need Apply or something like that. Stephens is a RW dingus but he’s correct that the antisemitism of the early 20th century directed at Jewish immigrants is no different than the groups Trump goes after today.

If you drive away a good portion of readers with the headline your actual point is never taken.

We can disagree Happy. : )

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:28:33am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:29:08am

re: #289 ObserverArt

If you drive away a good portion of readers with the headline your actual point is never taken.

We can disagree Happy. : )

Agree to disagree then. The headline made me want to read more. TBH more European Americans should be aware of what our families went through. Maybe then people like Trump would be fringe.

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:29:40am

re: #288 makeitstop

It was never ‘officially’ released - they did it at Albini’s studio when they had a couple of days off and never finished it. There used to be MP3s of it out in the wild, and you might still be able to find them. If you can’t, I’ve got them on one drive or another here - message me and I’ll toss them up on my server and send you a link.

I’m listening to it now. If this mix had come out instead of the Jack Douglas mix, peoples’ heads would have exploded. It’s almost overwhelming how awesome it is.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:30:11am

re: #290 Ace-o-aces

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Here’s a deal Donnie. You leave. We build a wall around Trump Tower and you get no visitors.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:34:34am

So suppose the government gets shut down. Who gets the blame? The GOP? no, the WASHINGTON ESTABLISHMENT as a whole. And then Trump, still selling himself successfully as the outsider and anti-establishment President, attends a few high-profile meetings and brokers a deal to re-open government.

Then he is praised as the consummate deal maker and the one who saved us from Washington elitist insiders.

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:34:36am

re: #281 Barefoot Grin

Whoa, I have to have that. Thank you!

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Belafon  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:36:55am

re: #289 ObserverArt

If you drive away a good portion of readers with the headline your actual point is never taken.

We can disagree Happy. : )

What was the title of Swift’s writing about eating children?

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:38:27am

re: #292 makeitstop

I’m listening to it now. If this mix had come out instead of the Jack Douglas mix, peoples’ heads would have exploded. It’s almost overwhelming how awesome it is.

Correction: Tom Werman was responsible for the wimpy mix.

Jack Douglas, on the other hand, produced the ridiculously rocking first album.

We now return you to your regular programming.

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Belafon  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:38:57am

re: #294 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So suppose the government gets shut down. Who gets the blame? The GOP? no, the WASHINGTON ESTABLISHMENT as a whole. And then Trump, still selling himself successfully as the outsider and anti-establishment President, attends a few high-profile meetings and brokers a deal to re-open government.

Then he is praised as the consummate deal maker and the one who saved us from Washington elitist insiders.

Republicans were blamed for the shutdown during Clinton’s term. The reason the Republicans didn’t receive much blame for the shutdowns during Obama is Obama did as much as they could to prevent the closing from affecting most people. I don’t see Trump doing that.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:39:28am

re: #296 Belafon

What was the title of Swift’s writing about eating children?

“A Modest Proposal”.

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:41:56am

re: #296 Belafon

What was the title of Swift’s writing about eating children?

Was that a newspaper opinion piece?

I understand what he was doing with the article. I read it all the way through. All I am doing is debating if the headline works or is too shocking. I base it on VBs reaction and I bet there were others that had similar reactions.

I’d be interested to see if VB read it or not and her opinion.

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Dizzy  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:42:26am

re: #286 HappyWarrior

The headline is repulsive and bigoted regardless of the content of the article. The NYT should not be playing with this type of hyperbole.

My family has history regarding this. In short, the reason why my family ended up in Canada was because of the quota system in US universities in the 1920’s.

To see this in print, especially in the NYT, sends a chill down my spine.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:43:54am

re: #299 Dr Lizardo

Reminds me of “to Serve Man”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:44:26am

re: #298 Belafon

Republicans were blamed for the shutdown during Clinton’s term. The reason the Republicans didn’t receive much blame for the shutdowns during Obama is Obama did as much as they could to prevent the closing from affecting most people. I don’t see Trump doing that.

We cannot expect that the press or the public will be able to come to rational conclusions about this, it is all about selling a view of events that fits the GOP narrative.

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:45:35am

re: #301 Dizzy

The headline is repulsive and bigoted regardless of the content of the article. The NYT should not be playing with this type of hyperbole.

My family has history regarding this. In short, the reason why my family ended up in Canada was because of the quota system in US universities in the 1920’s.

To see this in print, especially in the NYT, sends a chill down my spine.

Thank you for your opinion.

I was feeling like I was swimming upstream in very little water.

One thing I learned a long time ago was to leave my own opinion and mind and try to see things as others do. That is what I am trying to do here. Your comment tells me it is valuable to keep doing that.

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Targetpractice  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:46:11am

re: #302 Shropshire Slasher

Reminds me of “to Serve Man”

That a pretty good book. *burp*

/

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:47:04am

re: #302 Shropshire Slasher

Reminds me of “to Serve Man”

Easily, one of my all-time favorite TZ episodes.

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Belafon  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:49:38am

The full title was A Modest Proposal For preventing the Children of Poor People From being a Burthen to Their Parents or Country, and For making them Beneficial to the Publick

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:49:50am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:50:46am

re: #307 Belafon

The full title was A Modest Proposal For preventing the Children of Poor Immigrant People From being a Burthen to Their Parents or Country, and For making them Beneficial to the Publick

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:53:35am
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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:53:40am

The best people. The very best.

Hungarian Police Have A Warrant Out For Former Trump Adviser Sebastian Gorka

Former Trump White House staffer Sebastian Gorka has an active warrant out for his arrest in Hungary, according to the Hungarian police’s website.

Gorka, whose exact role in the White House while serving as a deputy assistant to the president was never entirely clear, apparently is in trouble with the law over a charge of “firearm or ammunition abuse.” The warrant, first reported in Hungarian online outlet 444, was issued on Sept. 17, 2016, prior to Trump’s election.

That means that during the entire seven months Gorka spent in the White House, including when meeting with Hungarian Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó in Washington last March, an arrest warrant was pending overseas.

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Targetpractice  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:54:13am

re: #308 FormerDirtDart

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Yeah, well his base loves him and that’s all that matters!!!

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Belafon  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:54:17am

re: #308 FormerDirtDart

Just think how great we’ll be when no one can depend on us.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:54:27am

re: #299 Dr Lizardo

Then there is Demi Moore and Woody Harrelson in an “Indecent Proposal”

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Skip Intro  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:55:14am

re: #308 FormerDirtDart

Russia and Israel love him.

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:55:27am

re: #314 Shropshire Slasher

Then there is Demi Moore and Woody Harrelson in an “Indecent Proposal”

AKA ‘When Donny Met Stormy’

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:56:24am

re: #308 FormerDirtDart

His ass alone weighs 239 pounds.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 18, 2018 • 9:58:04am

re: #294 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So suppose the government gets shut down. Who gets the blame? The GOP? no, the WASHINGTON ESTABLISHMENT as a whole. And then Trump, still selling himself successfully as the outsider and anti-establishment President, attends a few high-profile meetings and brokers a deal to re-open government.

Then he is praised as the consummate deal maker and the one who saved us from Washington elitist insiders.

Didn’t work that way the last two times — both times the Repugs got the blame, and took a big hit. Problem was, it was short-term. We need to concentrate on keeping their bad actions before the public all the time.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:00:45am

Infrastructure problems aren’t just an issue for the USA; a major bridge in Prague, Libenský Most (Libensky Bridge) will be closing for several weeks - at minimum - for repairs.

The Klokner Institute of ČVUT in the first half of last year completed the examination of the samples from the bridge. The survey lasted several months and the results were not good.

He showed that the damage to concrete foundations of the bridge, which is on slate floor and hidden on the bottom of the Vltava, is worse than expected.

Experts have found that in concrete there is so-called sulphate corrosion, which disturbs the structure of the concrete. “It is an irreversible and, in principle, permanent process,” Klokner Institute Director Jiří Kolísko commented on the bridge status.

Deputy Mayor Petr Dolinek (ČSSD) has again stated that by mere repair the bridge’s capacity will never be able to return to the original condition under the existing technological possibilities.

That’s gonna be a mess.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:06:41am

re: #318 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Didn’t work that way the last two times — both times the Repugs got the blame, and took a big hit. Problem was, it was short-term. We need to concentrate on keeping their bad actions before the public all the time.

That was in the days before Trump: we now live in a totally different media reality.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:08:29am
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Dave In Austin  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:09:16am

re: #224 retired cynic

Do you have a recipe for bark butter, or is it something you can purchase down there?

Look it up online. Wild Birds Unlimited carries their commercial brand.

Recipe from A FB “Birds of Texas” site:
“I have had hundreds of birds at my feeders today because of the icy weather. Along with the seed and suet I put out, they love my bark butter I make to plug into holes drilled into a piece of hanging bark. Here is the recipe I use. Measurements don’t have to be exact. I microwave 1 C peanut butter and 1 C lard for about 20 seconds to soften. Mix in 2 C cornmeal, 1 C rolled oats, 1 C birdseed, and 1 C flour. I flour up my hands for mixing as it is really sticky. I like to pinch off pieces and roll into golfball sized balls to make it easier to grab what I need when heading out to the feeders. The birds LOVE it!”

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:10:02am

Anyone feeling sorry for Doctor Larry Nassar these days? The judge doesn’t. I don’t. Nobody should.

ESPN - Michigan judge dismisses complaints made by Larry Nassar about his sentencing hearing

The first four paragraphs in the article.

LANSING, Mich. — Larry Nassar told a circuit court judge in a letter this week that he wasn’t sure if he was mentally able to handle facing a week of comments from the women he has admitted to abusing for decades.

Nassar, 54, pleaded guilty to 10 counts of first-degree criminal sexual conduct in November. Part of the plea deal allowed all of the 135 women who have accused Nassar of abusing them — many when they sought him out for medical treatment — to confront him and share their stories with the court. He wrote a six-page letter to Judge Rosemarie Aquilina this week detailing his concerns about the sentencing hearing for his mental health.

Nassar’s letter accused the judge of grandstanding and conducting a “media circus” during the hearing that started Tuesday. Nassar said the judge placed him in the witness box to face the women speaking out against him so that cameras would also be pointed in her direction. Aquilina told him he was in the witness box so that the women didn’t have to turn to address him while facing the court.

“I have to say, this isn’t worth the paper it’s written on,” Aquilina said about Nassar’s letter. “There’s no truth in here. It’s delusional.”

…more at link

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:13:13am

re: #298 Belafon

Republicans were blamed for the shutdown during Clinton’s term. The reason the Republicans didn’t receive much blame for the shutdowns during Obama is Obama did as much as they could to prevent the closing from affecting most people. I don’t see Trump doing that.

The reason why the shutdown didn’t hurt the Republicans in 2013 was overshadowed by the Health Insurance Marketplace webpage problems. The Media gave constant coverage to the shortcomings of the insurance exchange website and they blamed that on Obama.

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:13:33am
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Dave In Austin  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:13:47am

re: #322 Dave In Austin

I meant to put the pic in.

Look it up online. Wild Birds Unlimited carries their commercial brand.

Recipe from A FB “Birds of Texas” site:
“I have had hundreds of birds at my feeders today because of the icy weather. Along with the seed and suet I put out, they love my bark butter I make to plug into holes drilled into a piece of hanging bark. Here is the recipe I use. Measurements don’t have to be exact. I microwave 1 C peanut butter and 1 C lard for about 20 seconds to soften. Mix in 2 C cornmeal, 1 C rolled oats, 1 C birdseed, and 1 C flour. I flour up my hands for mixing as it is really sticky. I like to pinch off pieces and roll into golfball sized balls to make it easier to grab what I need when heading out to the feeders. The birds LOVE it!”

Surt Balls
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:14:33am

re: #317 Ace Rothstein

His ass alone weighs 239 pounds.

Casey, I want to do a long distance dedication to Tweetler’s Butt!

The Fat Boys Are Back

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:15:12am

re: #320 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That was in the days before Trump: we now live in a totally different media reality.

Polls have voters blaming the Rs for the impending shutdown now — I don’t expect that to change (and is your past prediction record all that good)?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:17:14am

re: #323 ObserverArt

Nassar’s letter accused the judge of grandstanding and conducting a “media circus” during the hearing that started Tuesday.

Probably not a good move there, buddy. Criticizing the judge.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:17:17am

re: #322 Dave In Austin

I would totally eat that!

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Targetpractice  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:18:29am

re: #328 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Polls have voters blaming the Rs for the impending shutdown now — I don’t expect that to change (and is your past prediction record all that good)?

I don’t expect it to change, but I do expect the blow to be lessened if A) the shutdown is short, B) the damage is reduced (i.e. back-pay), or C) the GOP leadership can shift the anger from them to “the establishment.”

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:19:03am

re: #330 Shropshire Slasher

I would totally eat that!

Peanut butter and lard? Gaaah.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:19:43am

re: #328 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Polls have voters blaming the Rs for the impending shutdown now — I don’t expect that to change (and is your past prediction record all that good)?

DT has demonstrated the ability to consistently get away with things that would wreck the career of any professional politician. The GOP might get the blame, but DT will somehow escape unscathed.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:20:27am

re: #332 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Peanut butter and lard? Gaaah.

Rendered Beef fat is better if you can get it.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:20:43am
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Belafon  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:20:49am

re: #320 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That was in the days before Trump: we now live in a totally different media reality.

So, the media, who we all know favored Republicans during Obama’s term, will somehow cause opinion to shift now when they didn’t back then?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:21:51am

re: #321 FormerDirtDart

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i don’t believe this guy and his “Phd” for a hot second

he sounds like one of those concern trolls who starts out “i have always voted for the democrat party, but….”

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Targetpractice  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:21:56am

re: #335 FormerDirtDart

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Yeah, I don’t ever remember the GOP showing this sort of concern that if they revealed the events of “private” meetings with Obama, they would not be able to continue talking with him.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:22:33am

re: #335 FormerDirtDart

OFFS.

What a pussy.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:22:54am

re: #332 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

As a kid my parents had to hide the dog food because I would eat it.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:22:59am

re: #331 Targetpractice

I don’t expect it to change, but I do expect the blow to be lessened if A) the shutdown is short, B) the damage is reduced (i.e. back-pay), or C) the GOP leadership can shift the anger from them to “the establishment.”

I haven’t heard much about the “establishment” lately. I’m inclined to doubt that will sway many, but we may find out. (I’m hoping we don’t have to.) The other two would lessen the damage.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:23:01am
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dangerman  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:24:04am

re: #335 FormerDirtDart

Lindsey Graham can’t confirm that Trump said “shithole countries.” @DanaBashCNN: “Why can’t you?” Graham: “Because I want to make sure that I can keep talking to the president.”

here’s the simple followup:

“if you can’t confirm, then are you denying he said it?”

see?
simple.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:24:08am

re: #333 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

DT has demonstrated the ability to consistently get away with things that would wreck the career of any professional politician. The GOP might get the blame, but DT will somehow escape unscathed.

Wasn’t talking about him…. (his numbers keep dropping).

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Targetpractice  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:24:33am

re: #342 FormerDirtDart

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This sort of shit will be the “Global Cooling” of future generations, stories like pointed to as “proof” that the entire Russia investigation was about overturning to election to make Hillary president.

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Interesting Times  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:24:45am

Heh…creative chart headings for the win:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:25:09am

re: #344 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Wasn’t talking about him…. (his numbers keep dropping).

The only polls that count are the ones held every two years in voting booths

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Targetpractice  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:26:34am

re: #341 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I haven’t heard much about the “establishment” lately. I’m inclined to doubt that will sway many, but we may find out. (I’m hoping we don’t have to.) The other two would lessen the damage.

One of the ways the GOP have often avoided damage for their major screw-ups is to convince voters that it was the fault of “Washington” or “Congress,” i.e. convincing folks that both sides were in agreement or (conversely) caused the crisis due to pointless fighting rather than because one side was standing up for a genuine principle.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:26:36am

re: #339 Eclectic Cyborg

OFFS.

What a pussy.

Agreed. But it’s also a confirmation that DT did say that (not that rational people ever doubted it).

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Belafon  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:27:01am

re: #333 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

DT has demonstrated the ability to consistently get away with things that would wreck the career of any professional politician. The GOP might get the blame, but DT will somehow escape unscathed.

Donald Trump has exactly one election under his belt.

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Citizen K  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:27:42am

re: #188 Citizen K

re: #204 Citizen K

OW points out exactly the kind of thing I’m talking about here:

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:28:42am

re: #347 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The only polls that count are the ones held every two years in voting booths

Have you observed who’s been doing unexpectedly well in elections recently?

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KGxvi  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:30:22am

re: #350 Belafon

Donald Trump has exactly one election under his belt.

In fairness, that’s three more elections than he has any right winning

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retired cynic  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:30:54am

re: #322 Dave In Austin

Look it up online. Wild Birds Unlimited carries their commercial brand.

facebook.com

Ordered!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:33:16am

re: #352 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Have you observed who’s been doing unexpectedly well in elections recently?

I am glad to see that, but I still have too strong a sense of the Democrats’ ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:39:23am

One of my co-workers lost his mind again today. He’s an older guy who doesn’t adapt well, so when I told him that our process uses temporary IDs which are changed to real IDs over time, (which he should already know), and told him to use the source data with the payer’s ID instead, he started shouting about how I don’t want to do my job, and called me an asshole. He should not be unsupervised, but both of our managers are out, and the highest ranking person here refused to send him to HR. Sometimes I hate this place.

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JordanRules  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:39:50am

Lots of exciting activity and engagement hitting the timeline lately.
I like waves.

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Belafon  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:40:20am

re: #355 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am glad to see that, but I still have too strong a sense of the Democrats’ ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Speaking of winning in place we used to didn’t, there’s a special election March 13th in PA, that Republicans used to didn’t have to worry about:

There’s another special election for the House coming up fast on March 13, but even though it’s once again taking place in a dark red district, Republicans are freaking out—so much so that they’re sending Donald Trump out there today to prop up their utterly sad-sack candidate, state Rep. Rick Saccone, to whom Trump has pledged his “total support.”

Democrats, by contrast, couldn’t be more pleased with their nominee, former federal prosecutor and Marine veteran Conor Lamb, whose family is well-known for its longtime involvement in local politics. In the Marines, Lamb successfully prosecuted a fellow officer for trying to cover up a high-profile rape, and in the U.S. attorney’s office, he’s taken on the opioid epidemic. At 33, he’s also a fresh face, a tireless campaigner, and an ideal fit for his district, which is why Daily Kos is proud to endorse him.

Republicans shouldn’t be sweating at all, though. Pennsylvania’s 18th Congressional District is a heavily gerrymandered seat on the outskirts of Pittsburgh that voted for Trump by a wide 58-39 margin, and the special election here is one they should win without a second thought. (This is the seat, by the way, that became vacant when Republican Rep. Tim Murphy resigned in disgrace after it was revealed that he had pressured his mistress to have an abortion.) But thanks to the GOP’s lousy candidate, intense Democratic enthusiasm for Lamb, and widespread disgust with Trump, what should have been a snoozer has turned into a hotly competitive contest.

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:46:35am

re: #340 Shropshire Slasher

As a kid my parents had to hide the dog food because I would eat it.

Now we know what happened.

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Belafon  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:48:48am

80% of the country supports DACA, including 64% of Republicans. So, the New York Time has declared that the country supports a hard turn left. It’s probably obvious, but I don’t think people are stating it: The New York Times isn’t speaking for Trump, they are speaking for Wall Street. It all falls into perspective for me if you think of them as the real Wall Street Press.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:50:48am

What a snowflake.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:51:12am

re: #360 Belafon

80% of the country supports DACA, including 64% of Republicans. So, the New York Time has declared that the country supports a hard turn left. It’s probably obvious, but I don’t think people are stating it: The New York Times isn’t speaking for Trump, they are speaking for Wall Street. It all falls into perspective for me if you think of them as the real Wall Street Press.

“Hard turn left” seems overstated, but a lot more people are no longer believing any of the promises the GOP and Trump have been making to them

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Dave In Austin  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:51:38am

Here’s a dandy as a Reminder: @SenTomCotton

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Belafon  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:51:48am

re: #361 GlutenFreeJesus

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What a snowflake.

Did you get that? If so, I’d send it to a newspaper.

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Kragar  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:52:18am

re: #361 GlutenFreeJesus

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What a snowflake.

Not an official cease and desist. Its just Cotton trying to bully constituents into keeping quiet.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:52:31am

re: #361 GlutenFreeJesus

From October?

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:54:27am
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Jay C  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:55:52am

re: #290 Ace-o-aces

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…The Wall will be paid for, directly or indirectly, or through longer term reimbursement, by Mexico, which has a ridiculous $71 billion dollar trade surplus with the U.S. The $20 billion dollar Wall is “peanuts” compared to what Mexico makes from the U.S. NAFTA is a bad joke!

OMFG - this is moronic even by Trumpian “standards” - does our Idiot-in-Chief really have NO understanding of how international trade/finance actually works?* Does he really think (or, more likely, is trying to delude his xenophobic, mouth-breather base into “thinking”) that “trade deficit with Mexico” (even assuming his figures are correct, which is highly doubtful) is some sort of simple one-size-fits-all accounting category that can be easily qualified and quantified - and (somehow) tapped to pay for whatever insane folly the President wants to promote (and just BTW, so the estimate for “The Wall” is now $20B?? JFC!)?

*rhetorical question

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:58:36am
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Kragar  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:59:10am
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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 10:59:36am

re: #355 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am glad to see that, but I still have too strong a sense of the Democrats’ ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

You know, maybe all of the Democrats shooting themselves in the foot will die away with the boomers.

Maybe us older generation people grew soft because back years ago the Republicans were not as wicked and nutty as they are now, so we didn’t see politics and the GOP as the same threats as we and the younger folk see now.

Maybe we didn’t really care if a Republican would win because they still were able to govern.

Totally different political world now. I say let youth take the flag and make a stand. I’ll stand behind them and help as much as I can.

Here’s hoping the younger generations are seeing the need to be strong and are willing to rebuild a stronger tougher inclusive Democratic party.

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BeachDem  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:01:02am

re: #357 JordanRules

Lots of exciting activity and engagement hitting the timeline lately.
I like waves.

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And time for me to tout Emerge again (as is my wont).

In 2017, 152 out of 208 Emerge alumnae on general election ballots won their races—a 73% win rate.

emerge.ngpvanhost.com

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:01:23am
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Alephnaught  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:01:46am

re: #268 ObserverArt

Folkies with amps on LSD that get three minutes into a song and get lost as to where they are but still remember the basic chords and arrangement then spend the next twenty minutes trying to figure out how to get everyone back onto the main progression so they can end the damn song.

: )

Hmm, so you’ve been listening to the Incredible String Band recently, then?

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ObserverArt  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:01:49am

re: #361 GlutenFreeJesus

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What a snowflake.

I thought Cotton was the big strong soldier type.

I hope his state constituents see this for what it is and boot his butt next election.

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Kragar  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:02:45am
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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:03:35am

re: #374 Alephnaught

Hmm, so you’ve been listening to the Incredible String Band recently, then?

Or Tyrannosaurus Rex, for that matter.

(They cleaned a lot of it up by the T. Rex days.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:03:37am

re: #371 ObserverArt

You know, maybe all of the Democrats shooting themselves in the foot will die away with the boomers.


Here’s hoping the younger generations are seeing the need to be strong and are willing to rebuild a stronger tougher inclusive Democratic party.

and one that gets out to vote

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:07:36am

re: #373 Ace Rothstein

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Classy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:08:32am

re: #301 Dizzy

The headline is repulsive and bigoted regardless of the content of the article. The NYT should not be playing with this type of hyperbole.

My family has history regarding this. In short, the reason why my family ended up in Canada was because of the quota system in US universities in the 1920’s.

To see this in print, especially in the NYT, sends a chill down my spine.

Fair enough. I see what you mean and it’s awful your family was treated that way.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:09:00am
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JordanRules  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:10:09am

re: #372 BeachDem

Excellent update!! Please keep sharing.

I’m really proud of all the work these groups are doing. It feels like more people are so much more willing to get involved even beyond the candidates.

We are poised for great momentum heading towards the midterms!

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Kragar  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:10:43am

Seems like this could almost be a crime, but maybe that is just me

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:11:56am

re: #383 Kragar

And not a damn thing will happen to him.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:12:06am
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BeachDem  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:12:32am

re: #371 ObserverArt

…I say let youth take the flag and make a stand. I’ll stand behind them and help as much as I can.

Here’s hoping the younger generations are seeing the need to be strong and are willing to rebuild a stronger tougher inclusive Democratic party.

That would be nice. But right now, shit like this is happening. Our Dem Women’s group has been reaching out to get more young women to join. We invite them to be speakers, we support their events—hell, our main project is a scholarship contest.

So what did they do? They put together a “Young Progressives” group (with St. Bernie of Assisi and his damn bird as their logo) and scheduled their meetings at the same time as our group meets.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:14:43am

re: #369 Ace Rothstein

Holy shit. It’s been 50 kilos of horse taped under his shirt this whole time.

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JordanRules  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:15:39am
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:16:15am

Really, using Jr. as a draw? Will he be wearing prison orange?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:17:06am

re: #300 ObserverArt

Was that a newspaper opinion piece?

I understand what he was doing with the article. I read it all the way through. All I am doing is debating if the headline works or is too shocking. I base it on VBs reaction and I bet there were others that had similar reactions.

I’d be interested to see if VB read it or not and her opinion.

I did read the whole thing and I get his point but the headline was fucked up clickbait.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:17:43am

re: #381 FormerDirtDart

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The Ghost of a Flea  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:20:30am

re: #386 BeachDem

Unfortunately, ressentiment and the others drivers of the wingnuts are not pinned to conservatism.

The big risk for the future is people who don’t want to think structurally—-how do you get from point A to point F, recognizing that B through E will be difficult and require re-calculations—and American culture in general doesn’t encourage slow thinking.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:24:01am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:26:11am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:26:18am

re: #364 Belafon

Did you get that? If so, I’d send it to a newspaper.

Nah. Shoulda posted the arktimes article but it was easier to post the pic being mobile.

And yeah. Apparently October. And it’s being made public now?!

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Dave In Austin  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:26:56am

Julie is running against Hardened, long term, gerrymandered Texas Crud for my district. #TX25.

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Dizzy  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:27:31am

re: #380 HappyWarrior

Fair enough. I see what you mean and it’s awful your family was treated that way.

Indeed. All things considered, Canada is a great place to be, especially now. I certainly am not complaining about my current situation.

Cheers.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:28:05am

beware - somebody has given the word to the wingnut trumpykins trollerati to find ways to run down the krugzilla, passing around this quote of his:

“By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet’s impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine’s.”

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:28:57am

re: #373 Ace Rothstein

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Tucker has been getting really bloated these last couple of years.

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mmmirele  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:31:41am

re: #393 FormerDirtDart

TWO YEARS? Wow o wow, those poor children and young adults.

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Interesting Times  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:31:48am

re: #399 Barefoot Grin

Tucker has been getting really bloated these last couple of years.

Natural consequence of being full of shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:32:32am

re: #332 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Peanut butter and lard? Gaaah.

it looks like raw cookie dough, without any sugar

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JordanRules  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:32:33am

Nice speech tho I guess Flake.
**rolls eyes**

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Jay C  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:32:51am

re: #399 Barefoot Grin

Tucker has been getting really bloated these last couple of years.

Following his (Dear) Leader???

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Kragar  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:35:25am

re: #399 Barefoot Grin

Tucker has been getting really bloated these last couple of years.

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Kragar  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:36:48am
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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:38:01am
About two dozen NYPD offficers and investigators from the Manhattan district attorney’s office raided the offices of Newsweek and its parent company, IBT Media, on Thursday.

IBT Media was co-founded by Jonathan Davis and Etienne Uzac. The IRS placed a $1.2 million federal tax lien against Uzac in December 2017.

nypost.com

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gocart mozart  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:40:46am

This is genius rudepundit.blogspot.ca

Dear Editor,

Every morning, I awake from my oxy coma and thank Jesus for Donald Trump. I get up from the back of the 1987 Cutlass Supreme where I slept. It’s broken down in a ditch just a mile or two from my mobile home that got repossessed. I stretch as best I can, what with this back problem from working in the coal mines across the state line in Kentucky, and I am glad that America is great again. Or it’s on its way because Mr. Donald Trump is our president. I pop one of the two last oxy I’ve got, take a leak in the ditch, and grab my jacket before walking into town.

Because it’s already noon by the time I get to Rogersville, and I know I’m gonna need to score soon, I go over to the post office to see if they’ve got my Social Security disability check. While I’m there, I salute a man with a MAGA hat and tell him, “God bless my president!” I’m not sure he can understand me because I lost most of my teeth, and I don’t think I say the words so good anymore. But he smiles, and that’s enough for me. I could sure use a dentist, but I’ll just have to wait until the mobile dental clinic shows up in these parts. They come around about once a year, and the line is usually a couple of days long, but I know that it’s worth it because I don’t want no free doctors from the government. I’m fine with free doctors from a Christian charity, though.

I head over to the meat and three place where I can get a square meal and plenty to take home for just six bucks, and it’s where Chet likes to meet because he’s paid off the owner. Chet is always happy to see me on Social Security day. If he’s in a good mood, he’ll even buy my lunch. I walk in to Shelby’s restaurant, and Fox News is on the TV. They’re talking about how the liberals want more immigrants to come to America. Fuck that shit. Tell them Mexicans to just go on back and take their little brown children with ‘em. I don’t want no rapists and drug dealers here. If I could afford a gun, I’d go down to the border and shoot a couple of ‘em to keep ‘em out of here.

Chet comes in and sits opposite me. I’ve got a plate of fried chicken, corn, potatoes, and french fries. Chet tells me he’s got some He-Man if I want to kick it up from the oxy. It costs more than the oxy, so I tell him that I’ll just stick to what I know. I sign the back of my Social Security check and hand it over to him. He gives me back two full prescription bottles and a few hundred dollars. “Bank of Chet,” I always tell him. “Better than a toaster.” I ask him what he’s gonna do with his Trump tax cut. Chet stares at me for a minute and starts laughing. He tells me he’ll see me next week.

I pop a couple of the oxy because my back is just killing me. I turn to the TV and see them talking about coal mining jobs and how President Trump is bringing them back. I’d go back to the Perry #1 mine if they reopened it. I’m just waiting for the call. I’d take the regular income, back or no back. Maybe I’d get to see my kids again then. Maybe even get Willow to talk to me, if she doesn’t try to steal my oxy like before.

As I walk back to the Cutlass to lay down for a while before I head out to the bar, I think about how much Donald Trump has done for me. How he has given me my country back. How he is bringing jobs back. How he cares about my problems as a working class man. How I can say, “Merry Christmas” again. How he talks tough to all those Muslims and Jews and fags. How he showed that bitch Hillary what for. And, mostly, how he ain’t a goddamn n*****.

God bless him and his family. And God bless America.

Sincerely,

Maddox J. Maddox

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:48:16am

re: #397 Dizzy

Indeed. All things considered, Canada is a great place to be, especially now. I certainly am not complaining about my current situation.

Cheers.

True. Glad things worked out in the end. I actually have cousins in Canada whom I’ve never met.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:49:38am

re: #409 HappyWarrior

True. Glad things worked out in the end. I actually have cousins in Canada whom I’ve never met.

You should visit before Canada builds a wall to keep violent, rapey, drug dealing Americans out.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:50:53am

re: #396 Dave In Austin

Julie is running against Hardened, long term, gerrymandered Texas Crud for my district. #TX25.

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Jay C  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:50:54am

re: #410 Big Beautiful Door

You should visit before Canada builds a wall to keep violent, rapey, drug dealing Americans out.

But some of us, surely, are “fine people”…….????

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Dizzy  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:52:07am

re: #409 HappyWarrior

You should come for a visit, it’s easy :-)

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Kragar  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:54:36am
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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:55:19am

re: #412 Jay C

But some of us, surely, are “fine people”…….????

Of course. As the President noted, the folks who marched in Charlottesville shouting Nazi slogans.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 18, 2018 • 11:57:02am

re: #414 Kragar

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Stanley Sea  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:00:17pm

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:03:09pm

re: #413 Dizzy

You should come for a visit, it’s easy :-)

I need to.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:06:22pm

re: #417 Stanley Sea

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Why does anyone still bank at Wells-Fargo?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:08:15pm

re: #419 Big Beautiful Door

Why does anyone still bank at Wells-Fargo?

They’re so efficient that they pre-pay your bills!

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KGxvi  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:09:44pm

re: #419 Big Beautiful Door

Why does anyone still bank at Wells-Fargo?

Because, like the airlines, there’s no real difference between the big players in the industry?

And with automatic bill pay, it’s got to be a pain in the ass to change things over from one bank to another.

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Targetpractice  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:10:39pm

re: #417 Stanley Sea

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“So, will I be receiving a refund?”

“…why would we give you a refund when you just paid your bill? Shouldn’t you just be happy to not have to worry about your bill next month because it’s already paid?”

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:11:50pm

re: #419 Big Beautiful Door

Why does anyone still bank at Wells-Fargo?

Because BofA sucks too.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:11:56pm

re: #332 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Peanut butter and lard? Gaaah

Which reminds me, I have been meaning to order a pudding mold so I could make some Spotted Dick.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:13:38pm
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Renaissance_Man  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:14:36pm

re: #318 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Didn’t work that way the last two times — both times the Repugs got the blame, and took a big hit. Problem was, it was short-term. We need to concentrate on keeping their bad actions before the public all the time.

Did they? I’m not sure that’s true.

After both previous shutdowns, Republican control of all branches of government increased, to the point that now, only a few years later, they have control of all three branches. I don’t see that Republicans have ever paid any sort of meaningful penalty for their malfeasance.

Nor do they, since they believe they have free license to keep doing it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:15:05pm

re: #425 Dave In Austin

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You have a majority in both houses MFer and the Presidency. Try some of that famed personal responsibility you love to push on others, Yertle.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:16:16pm

re: #421 KGxvi

Because, like the airlines, there’s no real difference between the big players in the industry?

And with automatic bill pay, it’s got to be a pain in the ass to change things over from one bank to another.

I would think its a bigger pain in the ass to be signed up for a bunch of accounts you didn’t want, and to have your account drained by a glitch.

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mmmirele  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:16:50pm

re: #417 Stanley Sea

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Kragar  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:18:09pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:22:05pm

re: #430 Kragar

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:22:46pm

re: #426 Renaissance_Man

Did they? I’m not sure that’s true.

After both previous shutdowns, Republican control of all branches of government increased, to the point that now, only a few years later, they have control of all three branches. I don’t see that Republicans have ever paid any sort of meaningful penalty for their malfeasance.

Nor do they, since they believe they have free license to keep doing it.

As I said, the problem was that it didn’t last. Mainly, I think, because there were no long-term consequences — everyone got their back pay and people forgot about it. We need to keep reminding them.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:24:41pm

re: #431 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I don’t think there is one positive response to that thread. Tone deafness is amazing.

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Targetpractice  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:25:33pm

The tone of these tweets makes it pretty clear: The GOP doesn’t have the votes. If they had them, they wouldn’t be trying to shame Dems into supporting this bill. They’d have already voted on the bill and sent it to Trump’s desk.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:28:57pm

re: #434 Targetpractice

The tone of these tweets makes it pretty clear: The GOP doesn’t have the votes. If they had them, they wouldn’t be trying to shame Dems into supporting this bill. They’d have already voted on the bill and sent it to Trump’s desk.

Yep.

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KGxvi  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:32:37pm

re: #434 Targetpractice

The tone of these tweets makes it pretty clear: The GOP doesn’t have the votes. If they had them, they wouldn’t be trying to shame Dems into supporting this bill. They’d have already voted on the bill and sent it to Trump’s desk.

Apparently the old line about not belonging to an organized political party now applies to Republicans

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:34:31pm
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DodgerFan1988  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:34:31pm

It feels like it’s 1918 not 2018.

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Kragar  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:35:32pm

re: #437 Big Beautiful Door

Sebastian Gorka is reportedly wanted in Hungary for a firearms charge. Deport him!

Citizen arrest time, right?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:37:00pm

re: #438 DodgerFan1988

It feels like it’s 1918 not 2018.

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dangerman  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:38:34pm

re: #419 Big Beautiful Door

Why does anyone still bank at Wells-Fargo?

this hit me last night
and it was obvious it was a duplication and i didnt do it - the 2nd payment wasnt in the payment history and the descriptions were different. in my case it was a large amount and i had printed a confirmation so i had a conf number

i was on the phone for more than an hour
never got a human so i gave up
i figured if they really ended up paying the bill 2x, well, i dont have overdraft protection, not my decision, not my problem. and if they started in with fees, well i’m pretty good at letter writing to the ftc, state banking etc.

why wells fargo?
partially inertia - yes. moving a lot of accounts, with history, payee lists, scheduled transactions is a lot of work. and in my particular case, trust or estate accounts require lots of paperwork and coordinating signatures with folks in other states.

i have a good relationship with Chase and did once talk to them about moving. with 2 of 5 family signatories in states that have no Chase branch, we couldnt make it work.

wells mostly usually works good enough, so we’re stuck.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:40:30pm

re: #438 DodgerFan1988

It feels like it’s 1918 not 2018.

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It’s depressing and I say that as a 30 year old white guy.

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Kragar  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:40:58pm

re: #441 dangerman

Glad I’m in a Credit Union and that I was able to get my kids accounts there

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:41:08pm

re: #419 Big Beautiful Door

Why does anyone still bank at Wells-Fargo?

I can’t answer that since we closed all of our Wells accounts.

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meteor  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:41:14pm

I still owe Wells Fuckers about $3,000 on a line of credit. If I didn’t, I’d be out of there tomorrow.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:41:20pm

re: #440 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Yep. I still like playing video games but fuck the gamer Bros.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:41:53pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:43:43pm

re: #419 Big Beautiful Door

Why does anyone still bank at Wells-Fargo?

My branch is two blocks away and I can walk there if I have to. I know that they’re blood-sucking varmints not to mention straight-up criminals for their role in the mortgage meltdown and fake accounts.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:43:49pm

re: #446 HappyWarrior

Yep. I still like playing video games but fuck the gamer Bros.

I play with friends only, not the general gamer public.

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dangerman  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:44:15pm

re: #443 Kragar

Glad I’m in a Credit Union and that I was able to get my kids accounts there

i would if i could

after i wrote the first comment i realized there are way more tentacles than just billpay and auto repeat payments
there’s all the direct deposits, monthly automatic transfers between banks, clients that pay by wire and echeck….

it would take me a year to migrate to another bank

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:44:53pm

re: #450 dangerman

“it would take me a year to migrate to another bank”

And they know it.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:44:55pm

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:45:56pm

re: #447 Bubblehead II

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:45:59pm

Oops

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KGxvi  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:49:20pm

re: #453 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Not letting gay people get married or adopt kids, also not letting married women (the only ones who should be having sex, and definitely not enjoying it) have access to contraception or abortions.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:49:29pm

It is who her party is. I like her but she’s in denial.

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dangerman  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:49:42pm

re: #451 Ace Rothstein

“it would take me a year to migrate to another bank”

And they know it.

oh no doubt

given the varied and sometimes complicate nature of what we have to do, id say that overall they probably rate a B or B-. the website got way better the last 2 years especially the bill pay, the phone app for deposits works 95% of the time, and the local bankers bend over backwards when we need some tlc.

except for stuff like last night, they do what i want and i have them pretty well under control, so on to other stuff:

catfish for dinner!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:50:52pm

re: #455 KGxvi

Not letting gay people get married or adopt kids, also not letting married women (the only ones who should be having sex, and definitely not enjoying it) have access to contraception or abortions.

Which was a GOP thing when Ana advised Jeb. She’s not a bad person imo but she’s blind about the pre Trump GOP.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:51:02pm

re: #456 HappyWarrior

It is who her party is. I like her but she’s in denial.

I dream of the day when the GOP is no longer the party of Fascism and Plutocracy and goes back to simply being the party of Plutocracy.

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makeitstop  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:51:33pm

re: #452 Barefoot Grin

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:52:15pm

re: #459 Blind Frog Belly White

I dream of the day when the GOP is no longer the party of Fascism and Plutocracy and goes back to simply being the party of Plutocracy.

Yep.

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Bubblehead II  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:53:25pm

re: #454 HappyWarrior

Ana is saying this isn’t who Americans are but I don’t disagree with you about her party.

Concur about this is not being what Americans are (Well most of us). Was hammering her about her party.

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Teukka  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:54:38pm

Rediscovering music… This one… I like the instrumental as well as the vocal version:

Queen - Forever (Official Montage Video)


Miss you, Freddie Mercury :(

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:54:42pm

“From my cold dead hands!”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:56:50pm

re: #462 Bubblehead II

Concur about this is not being what Americans are (Well most of us). Was hammering her about her party.

Yeah I misread her. She was saying this isn’t who her party is. I like Ana but she’s wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:57:20pm

re: #464 DodgerFan1988

“From my cold dead hands!”

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Lock LaPierre up!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 18, 2018 • 12:58:51pm

re: #363 Dave In Austin

Here’s a dandy as a Reminder: @SenTomCotton

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So Tom Cotton is acting like my representative.

re: #417 Stanley Sea

I’ve never used auto-bill pay and never will as long as I can still write cheques or money orders, for precisely this reason.

As for Wells-Fargo, it is the faked up account scandal that caused my village government to move our accounts to our local agricultural bank (which also pays better interest on CDs the village owns).

When my wife and I first moved here we got a ton of advert fliers from Wells, Bank of the West, &c to open accounts with them. Nope, we stuck with the locally-owned banks whose owners we know personally.

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EPR-radar  Jan 18, 2018 • 1:00:39pm

re: #459 Blind Frog Belly White

I dream of the day when the GOP is no longer the party of Fascism and Plutocracy and goes back to simply being the party of Plutocracy.

The problem with that is that the Fascism is more popular than the Plutocracy, so the GOP isn’t likely to give up on it.

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retired cynic  Jan 18, 2018 • 1:03:16pm

re: #440 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Fresh Air on NPR on this topic today!

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A Mom Anon  Jan 18, 2018 • 1:07:41pm

re: #446 HappyWarrior

I’m having some issues right now with my son, he’s really not getting what he has to do to actually “get” dating and reciprocal relationships. I worry that he will end up vulnerable to this shit because he’s not getting that the problem is his, not the young women he can’t seem to connect with. He’s a good person, but he’s also really self focused and cheap as hell (to the point of not buying new shoes or underwear when they’re falling apart), which isn’t helpful either. I do not know if this is Aspergers related, just being a 23 yr old dude or a combo platter.

Here’s something else I see happening: A lot of young men seem to have a very specific type of woman they want. She has to be a certain height, weight, etc. Of course we all do this, have a physical “type” we’re attracted to, but in the case of these young men, that creates all kinds of barriers to what could be good relationships. Because the standards are so rigid. That leggy supermodel type or whatever she “should” be is the only women they pursue and so the rejection is almost guaranteed. They won’t consider any woman outside of their super narrow definition of what they think is perfect. So if she has the wrong hair color, or isn’t a size 3, or doesn’t like the same music then that’s it, she’s not worth another look , EVEN IF SHE ACTUALLY WAS INTERESTED at first. So, I think a lot of this “gamergate” and MRA type anger is based on this crap, in part at least. I have a hard time getting this, and I’ve had my share of shitty treatment from men in my past.

My personal taste, the ideal guy for me looks like Chris Cornell or Eddie Vedder. Did I fall in love and marry a guy who looks like either? Nope, lol. I married an overweight, tattooed up biker looking dude who is a skilled tradesperson. Because I didn’t shut out possibilities , even after a messy divorce and abusive relationships in my past. So what are we doing to young men and boys to make them so unrealistic. Not that young women are not frought with their own cultural challenges, but I don’t see the level of hate and huge numbers of groups online hating on men like we are seeing with men.

YMMV of course, but I really wonder how some of this can be countered. It’s not healthy for us as a culture or community to have so many disconnected young (and older) men out there being so pissed at women in general.

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mmmirele  Jan 18, 2018 • 1:15:31pm

re: #448 Ace Rothstein

My branch is two blocks away and I can walk there if I have to. I know that they’re blood-sucking varmints not to mention straight-up criminals for their role in the mortgage meltdown and fake accounts.

I’d just like to note that not all of us who work for the stagecoach and horsies are blood-sucking varmints or straight up criminals. There are thousands of us on the tech side, and while I can only speak for my experience, I can tell you people were staggering around in a daze after the fake account scandal broke. We didn’t have a clue, and worse yet, there were no technological signs anything was wrong. I’ve thought about it a lot. How could we have detected the problems? In so many of the accounts, they were for legit customers and the accounts looked legit! It wasn’t like counterfeit money was being deposited.

People are still unhappy and angry about what happened, but don’t blame all of us-we didnot know.

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Pineapple Pizzagate  Jan 18, 2018 • 1:18:08pm

re: #464 DodgerFan1988

“From my cold dead hands!”

BREAKING: MORE COLLUSION! The FBI is now investigating Alexander Torshin, a man very close to Putin. It is alleged that Torshin gave millions of dollars to the NRA as a means of illegally getting the money into Trump’s hands. So the NRA is now involved in Russian collusion too!

Didn’t that Sheriff Clarke character go to Moscow with a NRA delegation to meet with Torshin at the same time as Michael Flynn and Jill Stein were dining with Putin? Why, yes, he did!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 18, 2018 • 1:19:22pm

re: #470 A Mom Anon

My personal taste, the ideal guy for me looks like Chris Cornell or Eddie Vedder. Did I fall in love and marry a guy who looks like either? Nope, lol. I married an overweight, tattooed up biker looking dude who is a skilled tradesperson.

LOL, me too!

(And he knows that my target of perfection is Sean Connery…and he’s OK with that, which makes it even better!)

When shit hits the fan, mom, think about heading to TheBackwoods. We can always use trade skills here.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jan 18, 2018 • 3:31:15pm

re: #235 makeitstop

I even tried that! Folkies with amps. That’s all I ever got out of it. :)

The first time I saw them playing live (on the TV) I couldn’t understand why they were all playing nine different songs at the same time (but not in the same time.)


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