And Now, the Lemon Twigs, Live on KEXP

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A new discovery for me, The Lemon Twigs remind me of The Who, if Pete Townsend and Keith Moon traded off on guitar and drums, and Brian Wilson, John Lennon and Todd Rundgren helped write the songs. Amazing, goofy, surprising music with all the best influences.

kexp.org presents The Lemon Twigs performing live in the KEXP studio. Recorded October 27, 2016.

Songs:
I Wanna Prove To You
These Words
As Long As We’re Together
Queen of My School

Host: Cheryl Waters
Audio Engineer: Kevin Suggs
Cameras: Jim Beckmann, Alaia D’Alessandro & Justin Wilmore
Editor: Alaia D’Alessandro

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Charles Johnson  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:02:01pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:07:39pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:14:38pm

These guys are pretty good. Lots of classic fun in these tunes, yet they are fresh and their own.

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Woods Witch  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:15:07pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Except that it was a Democrat who created the DACA program that didn’t need fixing until you intentionally broke it….what a moron

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:18:50pm

heh
Used to do this to fellow soldiers during night movements

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:23:19pm

LGF Programming Note:

I got adverts when I opened LGF (before I logged in):

Franklin Graham: Sign the Petition for Trump to turn America back to Jesus Christ

A second advert for a massive blowout gun sale.

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stpaulbear  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:25:20pm

I’m going to drag a couple of videos up from my comment in the last thread. I just finished reading a book called Respect Yourself about Stax Records and I started listening to William Bell for the first time. I need to play some catch-up. He wrote so many great songs.

William Bell: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

William Bell Performs “You Don’t Miss Your Water” | In Performance at the White House

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stpaulbear  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:29:01pm

I’ve got the Lemon Twigs on my Amazon wish list now too. I may have to pick up the vinyl version at one of the local stores.

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whitebeach  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:29:50pm

re: #5 FormerDirtDart

heh
Used to do this to fellow soldiers during night movements

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For an objective observer, it’s hard to say whether the human’s or the cat’s behavior is more “confused” (irrational). After three viewings, my vote is that the human is the nut.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:32:49pm

From the previous thread:

re: #218 whitebeach

I use checks, my child. As for those waiting behind me in line, if they can’t stand another thirty seconds, let them complain to the management for not opening up more checkout lanes.

Agreed. I also use cheques. Poor schmuck tourist from out of the area finds out how fast they will starve because no one takes credit cards. During the eclipse there were a lot of tourists stranded around here because only a few gas stations take credit cards: the state National Guard was running up and down the highways selling gasoline (at $20 a gallon) to hundreds stranded on US-385 between Bridgeport and Alliance (the same repeated itself across the state).

If you have to wait fifteen seconds for me to write a cheque, you probably shouldn’t be shopping. Heaven forbid if I had to move my grocery cart out of your way so you could get a can of beans or something.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:32:51pm

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹

LGF Programming Note:

I got adverts when I opened LGF (before I logged in):

Franklin Graham: Sign the Petition for Trump to turn America back to Jesus Christ

A second advert for a massive blowout gun sale.

ROTFLMAO when I saw Pulpit Pimp Franky’s advert on Daily Kos before I signed in. We all know that bigot wants to force all Americans to bow down and worship a Golden Elephant while reciting John Galt’s speech from Atlas Shrugged!

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ObserverArt  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:33:59pm

Ouch. Will Ferrell doing GW Bush as opening of SNL. And it’s a burn on The Donald. And Bush.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:34:10pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:34:57pm
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Belafon  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:35:03pm

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹

LGF Programming Note:

I got adverts when I opened LGF (before I logged in):

Franklin Graham: Sign the Petition for Trump to turn America back to Jesus Christ

A second advert for a massive blowout gun sale.

I’m all for the Jesus that was into drinking, hanging with the poor, and curing the sick.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:36:35pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:38:26pm

re: #15 Belafon

I’m all for the Jesus that was into drinking, hanging with the poor, and curing the sick.

Now, now, now you need to get with the program. Michelle Bachman always loves to recite that verse saying if folks won’t work they should not eat.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:40:21pm

re: #16 Joe Bacon 🌹

“Service Guarantees Citizenship!” (Heinlein)

Except conservatives don’t want even that, since they are deporting US Veterans.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:40:28pm

re: #17 Joe Bacon 🌹

Now, now, now you need to get with the program. Michelle Bachman always loves to recite that verse saying if folks won’t work they should not eat.

I know. But, as you know:
1. That wasn’t Jesus
2. That was about Christians who think they should get something just for being one, like Michelle Bachman.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:47:15pm

I notice there is still no proclamation on the White House Website for Holocaust Remembrance Day.

The last proclamation was about “school choice.”

As for Slavs killed in the Holocaust versus Jews from that dingbat Holocaust denier on the other thread, yeah there were a lot of Slavs killed (including a good portion of my family), along with Roma, atheists, socialists, trade unionists, &c.

That is not what the Holocaust is about.

You know, Twitter is a private company. They don’t have to allow that nonsense. I can only conclude that when such people are reported and not removed they either:

a) Don’t care
b) Support denialism

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:50:01pm

re: #20 Anymouse 🌹

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Kragar  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:51:55pm
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Kragar  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:52:06pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:54:15pm

Regarding the commentary on “chain migration” in the last thread, I wrote to NPR’s “Morning Edition” Tuesday about using that term uncritically and also having on a person from the Center for Immigration Studies and presenting them as if they are a normal think tank.

I got an automated message from NPR saying they would respond within 24 hours to my E-mailed concern.

Nothin’ yet… . Perhaps I will print that E-mail out and mail it back in an NPR money pitch envelope, “This is why I don’t donate to you.” (I used to donate even though I am out of range of NPR stations, but no longer.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:56:49pm

re: #21 Belafon

Not up on the White House Proclamation Website.

Holocaust Remembrance Day should have a written proclamation on the Website, as it does every year. Last year’s debacle is still up.

The proclamation is supposed to be up no later than the working day before.

whitehouse.gov

Nice photo on the main page of Mr. Trump flying through the Alps in a helicopter though. They managed to get that up right away.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2018 • 8:57:23pm

re: #23 Kragar

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:00:05pm

re: #25 Anymouse 🌹

Oh I see why there is no proclamation. He released it as a “message.”

The message page of the White House is hard to find on their Website and gets little press coverage.

Tomorrow marks the 73rd anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz-Birkenau, the Nazi death and concentration camp in Nazi-occupied Poland. We take this opportunity to recall the Nazis’ systematic persecution and brutal murder of six million Jewish people. In their death camps and under their inhuman rule, the Nazis also enslaved and killed millions of Slavs, Roma, gays, people with disabilities, priests and religious leaders, and others who courageously opposed their brutal regime.

More: whitehouse.gov

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Kragar  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:00:42pm
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retired cynic  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:01:32pm

re: #28 Kragar

The answer is, I’ll fight you for it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:03:56pm

Well the New York Times is getting a lot of love from cancelling subscribers tonight!

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scottslemmons  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:06:26pm
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jaunte  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:06:26pm
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Stanley Sea  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:07:07pm

I’ve prob watched this 18 times.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:10:40pm

LGF Programming note:

I have been unable to use Firefox here for a while (64-bit Windows update apparently killed it).

It seems to hang on reading syndication (dot) twitter (dot) com.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:10:42pm

re: #32 jaunte

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Grandpa Bacon HATED the Boy Scouts because he dealt with their strikebreaking multiple times in the 1920s and early 1930s.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:10:48pm

re: #29 retired cynic

The answer is, I’ll fight you for it.

In my “Hunger Games” style world, everyone would get a counterpart in some other country, and, when you turn 18, your job is to keep that other person out. If you don’t, we keep the person who wanted it more.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:14:15pm

Um …

The intervention with Sessions, which has not previously been reported, marked another example of the president’s year-long attempts to shape and influence an investigation that is fundamentally outside his control. Trump, appearing frustrated and at times angry, has complained to confidants and aides in recent weeks that he does not understand why he cannot simply give orders to “my guys” at what he sometimes calls the “Trump Justice Department,” two people familiar with the president’s comments said.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:17:27pm

re: #37 goddamnedfrank

Um …

He thinks this is USA, Incorporated, and he’s the CEO. When you elect someone who doesn’t understand separation of powers, you get someone who acts like him.

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stpaulbear  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:18:44pm

re: #33 Stanley Sea

I’ve prob watched this 18 times.

Handi-Wrap, I hate you.

Cute Beagle Videos - Handi Wrap - Plastic Wrap Commercial

Edit: I know it’s not a beagle.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:27:38pm

re: #33 Stanley Sea

I’ve prob watched this 18 times.

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That’s my dog when I pay attention to the other dogs.

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AaronFromToronto  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:27:42pm

I swear every time I go to an international news agency’s “US and Canada” page it consists of seven horribly depressing and sordid items out of the US and one incongruous Canadian human interest item.

Death, corruption, banality, environmental catastrophe, death, death, death, “Winnipeg woman receives confusing electric bill.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:30:51pm

re: #30 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well the New York Times is getting a lot of love from cancelling subscribers tonight!

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It’s Douthat — what do you expect? I don’t think it’s fair to attack the Times itself for the views of a single columnist. He is the one who should be attacked for his proposals.

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retired cynic  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:31:42pm

re: #42 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s Douthat — what do you expect? I don’t think it’s fair to attack the Times itself for the views of a single columnist. He is the one who should be attacked for his proposals.

They pay him to be there. Some blame for that!

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:35:53pm

re: #42 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s Douthat — what do you expect? I don’t think it’s fair to attack the Times itself for the views of a single columnist. He is the one who should be attacked for his proposals.

Douthat is the straw that broke the camel’s back. A number of recent stories have put readers off.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:36:32pm

re: #38 Belafon

He thinks this is USA, Incorporated, and he’s the CEO. When you elect someone who doesn’t understand separation of powers, you get someone who acts like him.

Too bad the entire GOP Congressional delegation supports this position. They have sworn fealty to Trump and not the Constitution. They don’t represent their constituents, they represent Trump. Not a single one is loyal to his oath of office.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:37:41pm

I have one episode of Victoria left.

sob

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:39:49pm

re: #41 AaronFromToronto

“Winnipeg woman receives confusing electric bill.”

Yeah, well half the bill is in french.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:46:05pm

Facebook Post

A noted aviation enthusiast, Copeland was recently seen celebrating and praising the Lord at the arrival of his new Gulfstream jet. He never had to fly a dust-off into An Loc though or he might feel a little differently about PTSD.

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Kragar  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:47:11pm
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retired cynic  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:47:51pm

re: #48 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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A noted aviation enthusiast, Copeland was recently seen celebrating and praising the Lord at the arrival of his new Gulfstream jet. He never had to fly a dust-off into An Loc though or he might feel a little differently about PTSD.

Why do ALL of these people make my skin crawl just looking at a photo? Why don’t they affect other people the same way? GAH!

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wheat-dogg  Jan 27, 2018 • 9:58:07pm

Well, cool! The Lemon Twigs are from Long Island, like me.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 27, 2018 • 10:05:35pm

Jordan, are you here?

Just started the last Victoria episode. The opening scene is in Africa with the title “The Kingdom of Dahomey”

So as is usual while watching I go to google.

This connection to the story you posted blew me away.

From Wiki:

On Monday, July 9th, 1860, a schooner called “The Clotilda,” captained by William Foster arrived in the bay of Mobile, Alabama carrying the last known shipment of slaves to the US from the Dahomey Kingdom.

I am paused at the title, I will see where this story goes in relation to Victoria.

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JordanRules  Jan 27, 2018 • 10:08:07pm

re: #50 retired cynic

My dermis is now cold. Ackk!

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Kragar  Jan 27, 2018 • 10:08:51pm
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JordanRules  Jan 27, 2018 • 10:10:03pm

re: #52 Stanley Sea

Oh my goodness!!!
There’s so much in there. So much.

Victoria is in the watch queue!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 27, 2018 • 10:12:53pm

re: #45 Hecuba’s daughter

Too bad the entire GOP Congressional delegation supports this position. They have sworn fealty to Trump and not the Constitution. They don’t represent their constituents, they represent Trump. Not a single one is loyal to his oath of office.

It fits into the conservative idea that the US should be run like a business. One might question (if he was still alive) President Hoover about that (since he held the same idea, and we got the Great Depression out of it).

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 27, 2018 • 10:13:48pm

re: #48 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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A noted aviation enthusiast, Copeland was recently seen celebrating and praising the Lord at the arrival of his new Gulfstream jet. He never had to fly a dust-off into An Loc though or he might feel a little differently about PTSD.

Another conservative Christian who supports the troops.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 27, 2018 • 10:17:54pm

The King of Dahomey gave Queen Victoria a little African girl. ugh.

I don’t really consider this a spoiler.

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Kragar  Jan 27, 2018 • 10:18:54pm

Thread:

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 27, 2018 • 10:23:22pm

On the issue of Japanese Internment, that executive order to remove “certain citizens” has never been rescinded.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 27, 2018 • 10:29:32pm

re: #59 Kragar

Thread:

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damn

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Kragar  Jan 27, 2018 • 10:30:54pm

re: #61 Stanley Sea

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Kilroy was here  Jan 27, 2018 • 10:40:21pm

SNL cold opening with Will Ferrell as GW

George W. Bush Returns Cold Open - SNL

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Teukka  Jan 27, 2018 • 10:59:03pm

re: #48 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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A noted aviation enthusiast, Copeland was recently seen celebrating and praising the Lord at the arrival of his new Gulfstream jet. He never had to fly a dust-off into An Loc though or he might feel a little differently about PTSD.

re: #57 Anymouse 🌹

Another conservative Christian who supports the troops.

DAFUQ?

What the fuck is happening?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2018 • 11:08:30pm

re: #64 Teukka

DAFUQ?

What the fuck is happening?

Ain’t nothin’ like Tax Free Pulpit Pimpin’ where you can continually fleece the flock!

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 27, 2018 • 11:24:26pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 27, 2018 • 11:37:10pm

How many more months before the conservatives devolve to this level?

Nigerian man beaten by mob for ‘turning human into a goat’

A 36-year-old man was seen being followed around by a black goat, which somehow raised suspicions among locals who accused him of Voodooism. They reportedly suspected him of using magic to transform a human into the animal which was now chasing him.

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majii  Jan 27, 2018 • 11:47:30pm

re: #67 Single-handed sailor

“How many more months before the conservatives devolve to this level?”

That has already happened. Some of us are already said to be monkeys/gorillas. The thing about it is that it is they who did the changing from human to animal.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 28, 2018 • 12:04:52am

re: #66 Single-handed sailor

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Maybe I’m just old and no fun anymore but this seems like a super bad idea guaranteed to generate countless horror stories with his Musk & TBC’s name attached. Which makes me think they’re super desperate to generate cash since TBC faces mountainous regulatory & project approval delays. Even if he can find a municipality willing to fund his plans he’s still likely going to have to secure a bunch of underground easements from private property owners.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 28, 2018 • 12:32:26am

re: #69 goddamnedfrank

Maybe he can buy the California high speed train right of way.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jan 28, 2018 • 12:45:48am

re: #67 Single-handed sailor

How many more months before the conservatives devolve to this level?

Nigerian man beaten by mob for ‘turning human into a goat’

I’ve seen this kind of “logic” from Texas fundies many times. For example, that earthquakes are caused by gays, spaceflight etc. because “you used to never hear about ‘em before (whatever).” It never occurs to them that they used to have 3 TV channels and a newspaper they could barely read, and there were less than half as many people in the world.
One of the oddest things I have heard from fundies is that twice as many boys as girls are born every year. I have heard this from more than one of them, over a period of many years.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 28, 2018 • 1:00:49am

re: #70 Single-handed sailor

Maybe he can buy the California high speed train right of way.

Nah, his plan is to build relatively short tunnels that allow cars to bypass urban surface traffic (for a fee.) That means he’ll mostly be restricted to the subsurface below public streets owned by the same city governments green-lighting his projects.

The Boring Company | Tunnels

The future we’re building — and boring | Elon Musk

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 28, 2018 • 1:08:59am

re: #72 goddamnedfrank

Ah, I thought it was boring for his hyperloop.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 28, 2018 • 1:32:30am

I had some eclectic music when I was a kid. I found this album in the sale bin at the Sears record department in 1969 or so.

The Wind In The Willows - S/T 1968 (FULL ALBUM) [Psychedelic Rock/ Psychedelic Folk]

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 28, 2018 • 1:47:46am

You might know the band from their female vocalist Debbie Harry.

the wind in the willows - shes fantastic and shes yours

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Kragar  Jan 28, 2018 • 2:27:57am
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Kragar  Jan 28, 2018 • 2:35:21am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 28, 2018 • 2:47:05am

re: #71 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I’ve seen this kind of “logic” from Texas fundies many times. For example, that earthquakes are caused by gays, spaceflight etc. because “you used to never hear about ‘em before (whatever).” It never occurs to them that they used to have 3 TV channels and a newspaper they could barely read, and there were less than half as many people in the world.
One of the oddest things I have heard from fundies is that twice as many boys as girls are born every year. I have heard this from more than one of them, over a period of many years.

Fundies also claim “gays cause weather disasters.” The best counter I heard to that was from an atheist who noted there was very little damage from Hurricane Katrina in the French Quarter. Obviously, all the gays who live in the French Quarter spared that section of the city from disaster.

Hence, all we need to do is figure out how to spread out “teh geyhs” in an equitable manner across the nation to provide the best means to repel weather disasters.

On the issue of “twice as many boys are born than girls,” I have heard that argument as well, but only in regard to legal abortion (liberals are allowing people to abort girls, thus we need to eliminate safe and legal abortion because liberals are the real misogynists).

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wheat-dogg  Jan 28, 2018 • 3:09:39am

re: #78 Anymouse 🌹

Fundies also claim “gays cause weather disasters.” The best counter I heard to that was from an atheist who noted there was very little damage from Hurricane Katrina in the French Quarter. Obviously, all the gays who live in the French Quarter spared that section of the city from disaster.

Hence, all we need to do is figure out how to spread out “teh geyhs” in an equitable manner across the nation to provide the best means to repel weather disasters.

On the issue of “twice as many boys are born than girls,” I have heard that argument as well, but only in regard to legal abortion (liberals are allowing people to abort girls, thus we need to eliminate safe and legal abortion because liberals are the real misogynists).

I would bet they are drawing on the idea that abortions were rampant in China during the one-child policy days because boys were preferred over girls. Because commies and librulz are the same things. Fact is, while abortion is legal in China, and can be forced by the authorities, it was not as rampant as many Americans believe. Many families found ways to have more than one child, girl or boy.

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sagehen  Jan 28, 2018 • 3:27:53am

re: #79 wheat-dogg

I would bet they are drawing on the idea that abortions were rampant in China during the one-child policy days because boys were preferred over girls. Because commies and librulz are the same things. Fact is, while abortion is legal in China, and can be forced by the authorities, it was not as rampant as many Americans believe. Many families found ways to have more than one child, girl or boy.

There are something like 5% more boys than girls born, always has been, but boys have also always had a slightly higher infant mortality rate (they’re more likely to be sickly) and a higher rate of childhood accidents (probably because parents let them do riskier sports or rough-housing). By the time kids are 10, the gender ratio is almost 50-50.

When IVF allows parents to do gender selection… it was a HUGE surprise to every researcher that significantly more parents choose girls than boys. Theories abound as to why, but there’s no definitive answer.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2018 • 3:40:23am

Coming over the wires that Ingvar Kamprad, the founder of IKEA, has passed away at the age of 91.

For good or ill (and some rather unsavory allegations), the man changed retail forever.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 28, 2018 • 3:41:53am

re: #81 Dr Lizardo

Coming over the wires that Ingvar Kamprad, the founder of IKEA, has passed away at the age of 91.

For good or ill (and some rather unsavory allegations), the man changed retail forever.

He certainly changed “some assembly required” forever.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2018 • 3:47:48am

re: #64 Teukka

DAFUQ?

What the fuck is happening?

Accumulation of Tolerances, but apply it to the somewhat sloppy design of the US political system. In normal times the errors cancel each other workably. Sometimes they will inevitably go directional.

globalspec.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 28, 2018 • 3:56:17am

re: #83 Decatur Deb

Accumulation of Tolerances, but apply it to the somewhat sloppy design of the US political system. In normal times the errors cancel each other workably. Sometimes they will inevitably go directional.

globalspec.com

Well, no political system is “perfect,” because someone will always figure out a way to manipulate it to his or her advantage.

Much of the US system is based on agreed-upon norms, which conservatives have decided they don’t want to follow anymore (stolen Supreme Court seat, &c).

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2018 • 4:03:50am

re: #84 Anymouse 🌹

Well, no political system is “perfect,” because someone will always figure out a way to manipulate it to his or her advantage.

Much of the US system is based on agreed-upon norms, which conservatives have decided they don’t want to follow anymore (stolen Supreme Court seat, &c).

Good example. The system was not designed to such tight tolerances that a USSC seat could not be stolen. A bunch of other specification inadequacies (gerrymandering, etc.) all working together, spit out a President Trump every couple hundred years. You don’t want to buy a government that was built on a Tuesday morning after a 3-day weekend.

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wheat-dogg  Jan 28, 2018 • 4:40:29am

re: #80 sagehen

There are something like 5% more boys than girls born, always has been, but boys have also always had a slightly higher infant mortality rate (they’re more likely to be sickly) and a higher rate of childhood accidents (probably because parents let them do riskier sports or rough-housing). By the time kids are 10, the gender ratio is almost 50-50.

Not true in China and South Asia, where the boys outnumber girls by roughly 1.2x to 1.4x. It’s a consequence of the one-child policy, supposedly, but some experts suggest many of those girls are “missing” - meaning that families have covered up their births somehow. So the disparity may not be as bad as the statistics suggest.

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jeffreyw  Jan 28, 2018 • 5:10:10am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 28, 2018 • 5:11:58am

I’m off to bed now. G’night y’all.

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Weaselone  Jan 28, 2018 • 5:14:05am

re: #50 retired cynic

Why do ALL of these people make my skin crawl just looking at a photo? Why don’t they affect other people the same way? GAH!

It’s not just you. Lots of these “religious leaders” make my skin crawl. I suspect they fall into my uncanny valley.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 28, 2018 • 5:22:11am

re: #89 Weaselone

Because they all have been castrated?
/

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 28, 2018 • 5:32:56am

re: #90 Shropshire Slasher

20 Year anniversary
nydailynews.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 28, 2018 • 5:36:50am

still a moron

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William Lewis  Jan 28, 2018 • 5:41:13am

re: #48 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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A noted aviation enthusiast, Copeland was recently seen celebrating and praising the Lord at the arrival of his new Gulfstream jet. He never had to fly a dust-off into An Loc though or he might feel a little differently about PTSD.

What a sick little SOB. I hate scum like him.

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2018 • 5:45:24am

It’s apparently easy…”Here, click on this link”

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 28, 2018 • 5:48:37am

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

What policies?

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2018 • 5:51:39am

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

still a moron

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I thought trump didn’t watch CNN.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:04:05am

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

still a moron

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He is a moron. Jay-Z was talking about the shithole comment which still sucks regardless of Donnie’s delusions about his work on the economy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:12:21am

*blink*

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Amory Blaine  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:13:49am

‘Charles in Charge’ Star Nicole Eggert Claims Scott Baio Molested Her as a Minor

Actress Nicole Eggert is accusing actor-director Scott Baio of having “molested” her repeatedly when she was 14 until she was 17.

In a series of tweets Saturday morning, the former Charles in Charge and Baywatch star told another Twitter user commenting on Baio’s support for President Donald Trump, “Ask @scottbaio what happened in his garage at his house when I was a minor. Creep.”

In subsequent replies to Twitter users commenting on her tweet, Eggert described herself as a “molested child” and said that she was 14, 15, 16 and 17 when the alleged incidents occurred. To another user, she described the alleged assaults: “What is ur explanation for him fingering me at age 14?”

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Mike Lamb  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:14:04am

re: #48 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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A noted aviation enthusiast, Copeland was recently seen celebrating and praising the Lord at the arrival of his new Gulfstream jet. He never had to fly a dust-off into An Loc though or he might feel a little differently about PTSD.

Sorry, but that photo disqualifies that motherfucker from commenting on the mental and/or emotional health and/or stability of anyone.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:17:28am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:24:32am

re: #101 Amory Blaine

Quite a “power couple” those two are.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:24:37am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:26:22am

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Piers asks the difficult questions the fake news will never ask! We now know Trump likes Arsenal!

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:28:36am

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Piers asks the difficult questions the fake news will never ask! We now know Trump likes Arsenal!

Well, he definitely puts the “arse” in Arsenal….I’ll be here all day.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:29:00am

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

Chef Andres did so much to help the people of Puerto Rico with healthy meals after Hurricane Maria. It figures that Melania hates him.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:33:15am

re: #76 Kragar

And that’s different from reading at a beach how?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:40:44am
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bill d. (b.d.)  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:41:11am

re: #101 Amory Blaine

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Scott Baio is a perv, where did I leave my shocked face?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:43:27am

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lifestyles of the Rich and Stupid.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:49:29am

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*

Corroboration

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:54:52am

re: #111 FormerDirtDart

How typical. Trump and his cronies have no clue as to how to treat anyone outside their immediate circle. Make America Great Again, indeed. They are a bunch of nincompoops.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:54:55am

re: #111 FormerDirtDart

Corroboration

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Ivanka is such a snowflake. Jose Andres is one of DC’s best restauranteurs. Went to one of his tapas restaurants for my birthday a couple years back and it was delicious.

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JordanRules  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:55:23am
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:55:53am

re: #113 HappyWarrior

His PBS show “Made in Spain” was very popular.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:57:39am

re: #115 PhillyPretzel

His PBS show Made in Spain was very popular.

Not surprised. He’s very charismatic as well.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:58:19am

re: #114 JordanRules

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Any comments Herr Trump?

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2018 • 6:58:59am

re: #59 Kragar

Thread:

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And what’s one of the things that Trump has been calling for: “We need to end the cycle of catch and release.” What better way to do that than to lock them in a private prison to be used as labor?

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makeitstop  Jan 28, 2018 • 7:10:59am

Nice move, Montana! Governor signs an executive order preserving Net Neutrality!

MARTIN: So first, would you just tell us about your thought process in deciding to issue this executive order? And I’d particularly like to know why you think this is an important issue for Montana.

BULLOCK: Well, I think it’s an important issue for Montana and, indeed, our entire nation. The free and open exchange of information secured by an Internet has never been more essential to our modern, social, commercial and civic life. I see it through business that the state does. I see it through the activities of my children. So to sit back and say hopefully Washington will take some action to fix what was recently broken in December was unacceptable to me. So I wanted to take action and make sure that we can guarantee for Montanans and hopefully, then ultimately for the rest of the nation, that net neutrality will continue.

MARTIN: We need to point out that the FCC ruling says explicitly that states and city governments cannot create their own net neutrality laws. So is this a largely symbolic move or do you expect it actually to have force in the marketplace?

BULLOCK: We as governors, you know, we just don’t make statements. We actually try to make a difference and take action that will withstand. And from my perspective, I mean, we’re not regulating anything. Through this order, the state of Montana, we’re acting as a purchaser. I think that it’s legally sound. And the FCC can’t challenge the fact that what we’re doing is just as a market - I mean, the FCC chair even said that individual consumers, not the federal government, should be making these decisions. I, as overseeing an enterprise called state government in Montana, is making that individual decision that this is the expectation that I’m going to uphold if I’m going to be purchasing services from companies.

Interesting angle. Here’s hoping a bunch of other states follow suit.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2018 • 7:14:21am

re: #118 Belafon

And what’s one of the things that Trump has been calling for: “We need to end the cycle of catch and release.” What better way to do that than to lock them in a private prison to be used as labor?

Their labor value is just gravy. Their prison number is a PIN for another Trump donor raid on the taxpayer.

When the prisons are twice-full, then camps.

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jaunte  Jan 28, 2018 • 7:19:47am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 28, 2018 • 7:20:11am

The “catch and release” terminology is disgusting. Immigrants are people, not fish or wild animals.

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jaunte  Jan 28, 2018 • 7:27:47am

Seen on Lie To The Press this morning.

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jaunte  Jan 28, 2018 • 7:31:33am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 28, 2018 • 7:37:49am

re: #123 jaunte

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Seen on Lie To The Press this morning.

Did Chuck U challenge that or did he do his usual GOP asskissing on Meet The Presstitute?

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jaunte  Jan 28, 2018 • 7:40:05am

re: #125 Joe Bacon 🌹

I didn’t see the whole segment, but it looked like he just let the response go without comment.

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mmmirele  Jan 28, 2018 • 7:40:26am

re: #52 Stanley Sea

Jordan, are you here?

Just started the last Victoria episode. The opening scene is in Africa with the title “The Kingdom of Dahomey”

So as is usual while watching I go to google.

This connection to the story you posted blew me away.

From Wiki:

On Monday, July 9th, 1860, a schooner called “The Clotilda,” captained by William Foster arrived in the bay of Mobile, Alabama carrying the last known shipment of slaves to the US from the Dahomey Kingdom.

I am paused at the title, I will see where this story goes in relation to Victoria.

So I did some looking, and it appears the scuttled and burnt wreck of the Clotilda may have been found just last week! Here’s an article from al.com:

al.com

And here’s a video:

Wreck found by reporter may be last American slave ship, archaeologists say

Some serious excavating would have to be done to find if there are artifacts in the mud to link this wreck to the Clotilda. OH, and by the way, this run over to Africa to get some slaves and bring them back was done on a bet, because the slave trade was officially ended in 1808.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 28, 2018 • 7:48:36am

re: #52 Stanley Sea

re: #127 mmmirele

This season of Victoria? Or something a little further down the road?

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JordanRules  Jan 28, 2018 • 7:49:59am

This is quite a profile of ole Paul.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 28, 2018 • 7:57:03am

Halftime show?

Asteroid Reportedly May Pass by Earth During Eagles vs. Patriots Super Bowl.

Kidding, as usual with asteroids it’s clickbait, the rock won’t get closer than a couple hundred million miles.
bleacherreport.com

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jaunte  Jan 28, 2018 • 7:57:10am
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jaunte  Jan 28, 2018 • 8:00:54am

Republicans are selling out everything to protect their Dear Leader. Even America.
Jason Sattler, Opinion columnist, USA Today

“…Since the moment Trump’s first national security adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and agreed to cooperate with the investigation of Russian interference into the 2016 election, the coordinated campaign to undermine special counsel Robert Mueller has shifted into a screeching overdrive.

It’s not clear if the goal of this campaign is to goad Trump into firing Mueller, a Bronze star-decorated veteran of the Vietnam War, or to prepare for a firing Trump has planned, or to simply discredit the findings of an investigation that has already resulted in two felony guilty pleas and the indictment of Trump’s former campaign chair Paul Manafort and his associate, Rick Gates.

What is clear that conservatives have learned the lessons of Watergate, the lessons that would have helped them save Nixon’s presidency.”
…….

“…After spending years investigating Benghazi and the Clintons’ money-losing Whitewater land deal, the vast majority of Republicans in Congress seem willing to close or nullify what could be the most consequential investigation into a president in American history — after less than a year.

The only question is whether there’s anything, including their country, that they won’t give up for Trump.”

usatoday.com

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 28, 2018 • 8:08:48am

re: #132 jaunte

I am not surprised by those actions. Ever since the uncouth one was elected, politics on the local level has become very local. There is little if no mention of national political activities. I think at the grassroots level many Republicans are going to support Democrats for higher offices in an effort to try to get rid of the embarrassment that resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 28, 2018 • 8:13:53am
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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2018 • 8:17:14am

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

still a moron

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 28, 2018 • 8:17:29am

re: #133 PhillyPretzel

I am not surprised by those actions. Ever since the uncouth one was elected, politics on the local level has become very local. There is little if no mention of national political activities. I think at the grassroots level many Republicans are going to support Democrats for higher offices in an effort to try to get rid of the embarrassment that resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Yes, and especially out where the map gets purple. Lot of indies etc.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 28, 2018 • 8:19:03am

re: #133 PhillyPretzel

This is why I say they gotta go. I’m not wanting a fix. The GOP needs *extinction. Let the far left splinter off. Double win for us sensible Dems. Hell even indy voters come out ahead.

*When I use the word extinction, I refer to the party aparatus, and not wishing harm on anyone.*

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2018 • 8:19:51am

re: #135 BeachDem

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He totally ignored what Jay-Z said too. Jay-Z said nothing about the economy but rather his racist bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2018 • 8:20:21am

re: #137 Unshaken Defiance

This is why I say they gotta go. I’m not wanting a fix. The GOP needs extinction. Let the far left splinter off. Double win for us sensible Dems. Hell even indy voters come out ahead.

Yep, GOP needs to die a painful death.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 28, 2018 • 8:21:54am

re: #137 Unshaken Defiance

I agree. That is why I split my ticket in the Presidential Election. And I have no problems about working with my Democratic neighbors to try to make Philly a better place to live, work and play. :)

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 28, 2018 • 8:22:00am

Imagine the Democratic party unburdened of Bernie, Code Pink etc. Let the far left fight for their ideology on their own while adults get the work done.

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Targetpractice  Jan 28, 2018 • 8:22:14am

re: #131 jaunte

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The GOP took the lesson that if they’d just had the means to control the narrative, they could have kept Nixon’s presidency limping along until ‘76. Reagan would prove that with Iran-Contra and Dubya with the various scandals that popped up during his presidency. The only reason Bush Sr. never had that issue is his own party ran him out on a rail for committing the cardinal sin of raising taxes to address a budget deficit.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 28, 2018 • 8:27:30am

re: #140 PhillyPretzel

I agree. That is why I split my ticket in the Presidential Election. And I have no problems about working with my Democratic neighbors to try to make Philly a better place to live, work and play. :)

I’m not sanguine about this idea. There will be very discomfiting moments should such a thing happen. But I think the party will make room for those that like all the amendments that uphold rights. And regulations to temper excess. Or fail to persuade and who knows what next.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2018 • 8:27:58am

re: #139 HappyWarrior

Yep, GOP needs to die a painful death.

They’ll probably end up splitting into an outright white nationalist/neo-Nazi/nativist wing and a big business/libertarian wing. The bulk of the Bible-thumpers will drift off to the white nationalist/neo-Nazi/nativist wing.

The GOP is actually unstable, which is why party discipline and internal cohesion is so important to them. It’s much like the Bolsheviks and their idea of democratic centralism.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 28, 2018 • 8:28:56am

re: #143 Unshaken Defiance

Very true. I am not crazy about it either.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 28, 2018 • 8:29:21am

Sunday Morning Blues a bit loud here. New Beth Hart/Joe Bonamassa. New album Black Coffee. Rich like whiskey smooth like good leather.

Iframe

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 28, 2018 • 8:30:17am

Geez politics are dark when you put up blues to cheer folks up.

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jaunte  Jan 28, 2018 • 8:32:45am

re: #147 Unshaken Defiance

You don’t miss your water ‘til the well runs dry.

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 28, 2018 • 8:39:40am
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FormerDirtDart  Jan 28, 2018 • 8:56:55am

Only Trump companies can profit off the US government

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Amory Blaine  Jan 28, 2018 • 8:58:52am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:06:08am

re: #144 Dr Lizardo

They’ll probably end up splitting into an outright white nationalist/neo-Nazi/nativist wing and a big business/libertarian wing. The bulk of the Bible-thumpers will drift off to the white nationalist/neo-Nazi/nativist wing.

The GOP is actually unstable, which is why party discipline and internal cohesion is so important to them. It’s much like the Bolsheviks and their idea of democratic centralism.

That’s where they seem to be going.

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lizardofid  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:08:42am

re: #127 mmmirele

So I did some looking, and it appears the scuttled and burnt wreck of the Clotilda may have been found just last week! Here’s an article from al.com:

al.com

And here’s a video:

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Some serious excavating would have to be done to find if there are artifacts in the mud to link this wreck to the Clotilda. OH, and by the way, this run over to Africa to get some slaves and bring them back was done on a bet, because the slave trade was officially ended in 1808.

Thanks for the video!

I saw on an episode of Finding your Roots that they found that Quest Love had an ancestor on that ship.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:09:14am

These days, you could figure out where it’s being published based on just the title.

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BigPapa  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:10:58am

re: #154 Belafon

Same paper, Ross Douchehat = Steven Miller should be taken seriously.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:11:13am

Blow and Krugman should move.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:11:24am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:13:21am

re: #150 FormerDirtDart

Only Trump companies can profit off the US government

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President Putinpuppet will pardon him.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:13:37am

re: #154 Belafon

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These days, you could figure out where it’s being published based on just the title.

Oh?

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Targetpractice  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:18:05am

re: #154 Belafon

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These days, you could figure out where it’s being published based on just the title.

Another day, another “Both Sides” article from the paper that is still dealing with the Stockholm Syndrome it developed during the Bush years.

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plansbandc  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:18:45am

re: #120 Decatur Deb

I’ve thought for awhile that the increased ICE arrests were purely for the private prison industry. Dreamers are perfect for the prisons. Fine upstanding non citizens. Even better than the casual pot smokers. Round ‘em up and fill the prisons and then use them for slave labor.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:23:55am

re: #157 Joe Bacon 🌹

This one made me damn near choke on my coffee:

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:25:17am

re: #161 plansbandc

I’ve thought for awhile that the increased ICE arrests were purely for the private prison industry. Dreamers are perfect for the prisons. Fine upstanding non citizens. Even better than the casual pot smokers. Round ‘em up and fill the prisons and then use them for slave labor.

Drug on the market. Our state’s prisons, public and private, are criminally overcrowded now. We export prisoners to other states, paying a going rate. It’s bullshit, and particularly hard on the women, who have vastly reduced chances for visits by children and family. Much of this is the work of Jeff Sessions and his buddies in the prosecutor business.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:26:12am

re: #84 Anymouse 🌹

Well, no political system is “perfect,” because someone will always figure out a way to manipulate it to his or her advantage.

Much of the US system is based on agreed-upon norms, which conservatives have decided they don’t want to follow anymore (stolen Supreme Court seat, &c).

Which is why I refer to the GOP as a revolutionary party in the manner of the Jacobins and Bolsheviks. It is their intention to destroy the nation so they can rebuild it to their specifications.

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dangerman  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:34:37am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

The president of the United States is a goddamned idiot who doesn’t understand simple basic things about his job and has no interest in learning.

Vox / yglesias re the interview with CNBC’s Joe Kernen from Davos:

…Trump is holding the office of president, but he’s not doing the job of president. He seems to have no real idea what’s going on, even with his own signature policy moves.

Some of his misstatements have the color of propaganda, but often he seems to be caught up in other people’s propaganda or even to have misunderstood his own talking points….He can’t even describe his own negotiating positions in the immigration standoff accurately.

“seems”. heh

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Dave In Austin  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:40:39am
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Stanley Sea  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:41:54am

re: #128 PhillyPretzel

This season of Victoria? Or something a little further down the road?

Final episode, S2.

I paid PBS to watch em all.

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scottslemmons  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:42:46am

Strauss is already going to retire, but Texas Republicans are still infuriated at him for not letting them get their sadism on.

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:43:48am
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:45:50am

re: #167 Stanley Sea

thanks. And I check them out on Wiki.
en.wikipedia.org

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:49:18am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:49:45am

And I understand why Manchin says this, because he represents a state with almost no non-white people who are deathly afraid of non-white people. But bad, discriminatory policy gets passed when people refuse to identify it as bad, discriminatory policy out of a sense of niceness.

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dangerman  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:49:46am

re: #148 jaunte

You don’t miss your water ‘til the well runs dry.

scuba diver’s quote
“air is like sex. you dont miss it till you’re not getting any”

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The Major  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:56:07am

re: #173 dangerman

scuba diver’s quote
“air is like sex. you dont miss it till you’re not getting any”

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BeachDem  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:56:27am

re: #149 FormerDirtDart

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Although you usually don’t hear much about Ron McNair, his astronaut story is pretty interesting. (And John Jenrette, who went to prison during Abscam, was one of his big supporters and champions.)

jsc.nasa.gov

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The Major  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:58:05am

re: #171 MsJ

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2018 • 9:58:25am

re: #172 Blind Frog Belly White

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And I understand why Manchin says this, because he represents a state with almost no non-white people who are deathly afraid of non-white people. But bad, discriminatory policy gets passed when people refuse to identify it as bad, discriminatory policy out of a sense of niceness.

Had the same thoughts.

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dangerman  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:00:53am

re: #174 The Major

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dangerman  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:05:23am

re Bernie Marcus and his comments yesterday

i can easily pass home depot and drive the extra few miles to lowes (until they do something that offends me)

it is my power - to spend my money where i choose

im considering writing a letter to home depot

since marcus doesnt have any affiliation any more (as far as i can tell), does anyone think there’s any point in doing so?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:06:02am

What, did concrete blocks and 1x12’s suddenly stop being produced after we Boomers graduated to real furniture?

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jaunte  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:07:48am

re: #176 The Major

Most of the Koch money comes from: petroleum, chemicals, asphalt, gas liquids and other energy products.

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dangerman  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:08:38am

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

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What, did concrete blocks and 1x12’s suddenly stop being produced after we Boomers graduated to real furniture?

…and these

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Targetpractice  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:09:43am

re: #172 Blind Frog Belly White

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And I understand why Manchin says this, because he represents a state with almost no non-white people who are deathly afraid of non-white people. But bad, discriminatory policy gets passed when people refuse to identify it as bad, discriminatory policy out of a sense of niceness.

What I hear in Manchin is a guy who sees the White House’s proposal as good for him politically, because he can go back home to the slack-jawed yokels and inform them that while he has allowed them “illegals” to become citizens, he’s also secured all sorts of money for “border security.”

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dangerman  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:11:09am

re: #181 jaunte

Most of the Koch money comes from: petroleum, chemicals, asphalt, gas liquids and other energy products.

from cnn via electoral-vote.com

There is a time when a $400 million ad buy had the potential to really move the needle, but commercials grow less and less effective every year and, if Donald Trump has taught us anything, it is that social media is the ascendant force in American politics. Undoubtedly, Team Koch will choose its battles carefully, and will invest its money as wisely as is possible, but the great likelihood is that most of that money is going to go to waste

my bold

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jaunte  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:11:11am

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

My first piece of “real” furniture was an eight foot colonial style sofa covered in turquoise fabric that I bought for $15 at a garage sale.

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Targetpractice  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:11:14am

re: #182 dangerman

…and these

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And these…

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dangerman  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:12:14am

re: #186 Targetpractice

And these…

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yeah, right!

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dangerman  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:13:00am

re: #186 Targetpractice

And these…

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(i went with the milk crate because i didnt think the spool / table would fit in here)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:15:40am

re: #182 dangerman

…and these

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But once CDs took over from LPs, did milk crates even matter?

As an aside, I remember how proud I was of my first concrete-block-and-board book case, because I built it to go around a corner in my apartment. Now THAT was grown up, I thought!

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Targetpractice  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:15:49am

I figure we’re going to see a slow gravitation of red/purple state Congressional Dems to Miller’s immigration proposal (I won’t call it Trump’s because he’s nowhere near that clever) because it offers them the sort of “middle ground” they desperately want. They get to tell their few liberal supporters that it secures citizenship for 1.8 million folks, while they tell the “independent” voters that it secures “border security” and put’s “reasonable” limits on legal immigration.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:15:59am

re: #182 dangerman

…and these

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Ikea book shelf: 29.99: ikea.com

Cinder block: $1.61 lowes.com

1x12x4 Wood: #9.54 lowes.com

So, a three level shelf would cost more to build out of stuff from Lowes.

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ObserverArt  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:16:19am

re: #172 Blind Frog Belly White

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And I understand why Manchin says this, because he represents a state with almost no non-white people who are deathly afraid of non-white people. But bad, discriminatory policy gets passed when people refuse to identify it as bad, discriminatory policy out of a sense of niceness.

He just didn’t want to get caught up in all that New York talk.

I only caught the opening bit of MTP and heard Joe say that a couple times.

All I can figure is Joe thinks his state is isolated from the rest of America. Which I don’t understand, because that is what a lot of Americans think about West Virginia.

So Joe I have to ask, what are you really doing to advance your state so they can understand the big city? How about educating them so maybe they understand Democratic political positions instead of soft shoeing them and allow the GOP to keep you dancing.

I think if you actually stood up and showed some damn spine, they might understand that.

It’s no wonder your seat is tenuous.

(Keeping on the downlow on politics for a day or so. Batteries were being overdrawn and heating up. Gotta recharge.)

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The Major  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:16:51am

re: #178 dangerman

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Citizen K  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:17:08am
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Dave In Austin  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:17:18am

re: #186 Targetpractice

Upding of the day. I had a big one that I swear after the years of spillage, I could prolly turn it upside down and shake an ounce out of it. (Or did I already try tha……..) Oh Anyway, where was I?

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:17:20am

Plus, a cinder block shelf will last about six months in a marriage.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:17:53am

re: #194 Citizen K

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The GOP hasn’t given a damn about the working class in ages.

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Citizen K  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:18:21am

re: #192 ObserverArt

The worst part about this is that he still may be the best Democrat we can get out of West Virginia.

That speaks less to Manchin himself and more about how absolutely bat-shit Red the state has gotten since ‘00.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:18:23am

re: #192 ObserverArt

He just didn’t want to get caught up in all that New York talk.

I only caught the opening bit of MTP and heard Joe say that a couple times.

All I can figure is Joe thinks his state is isolated from the rest of America. Which I don’t understand, because that is what a lot of Americans think about West Virginia.

So Joe I have to ask, what are you really doing to advance your state so they can understand the big city? How about educating them so maybe they understand Democratic political positions instead of soft shoeing them and allow the GOP to keep you dancing.

I think if you actually stood up and showed some damn spine, they might understand that.

It’s no wonder your seat is tenuous.

(Keeping on the downlow on politics for a day or so. Batteries were being overdrawn and heating up. Gotta recharge.)

You know, (((New York Talk)))

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The Major  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:18:58am

re: #196 Belafon

Plus, a cinder block shelf will last about six months in a marriage.

As audiophiles call this - the WAF (Wife Approval Factor)….

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Targetpractice  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:20:47am

re: #196 Belafon

Plus, a cinder block shelf will last about six months in a marriage.

“We’re not keeping that.”

“But baby, it’s perfect for my LPs!”

“I don’t care, it’s tacky, it’s dirty, and it looks horrible. You’re an adult, it’s time to buy some furniture!”

“*muttergrumble* Yes dear…”

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dangerman  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:21:21am

re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White

But once CDs took over from LPs, did milk crates even matter?

As an aside, I remember how proud I was of my first concrete-block-and-board book case, because I built it to go around a corner in my apartment. Now THAT was grown up, I thought!

this was mostly college decorating for me and that was before cd’s
all my lps went to cassette, then to mp3. the vinyl’s in storage
though i still have that milk crate!

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Dave In Austin  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:21:37am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:21:53am

re: #199 Blind Frog Belly White

You know, (((New York Talk)))

Which is what Cruz really meant when he attacked New York values.

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William Lewis  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:23:14am

re: #146 Unshaken Defiance

Sunday Morning Blues a bit loud here. New Beth Hart/Joe Bonamassa. New album Black Coffee. Rich like whiskey smooth like good leather.

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My after church pick me up:

Lita Ford & Lzzy Hale “Close My Eyes Forever” Live @ Webster Hall

Lita Ford (with Lzzy Hale, and Dorothy) “Cherry Bomb” Live @ Webster Hall

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dangerman  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:24:23am

re: #191 Belafon

Ikea book shelf: 29.99: ikea.com

Cinder block: $1.61 lowes.com

1x12x4 Wood: #9.54 lowes.com

So, a three level shelf would cost more to build out of stuff from Lowes.

cinder blocks - find a local construction site
milk crates - behind any food store
the wood…a bit more problematic - you could probably buy it off a graduating senior

jk, right?
after all mrs. dm does all the decorating these days..

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:24:46am

re: #202 dangerman

this was mostly college decorating for me and that was before cd’s
all my lps went to cassette, then to mp3. the vinyl’s in storage
though i still have that milk crate!

The only way you can get a milk crate now is to buy it, or buy other storage, probably from Ikea.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:25:17am

re: #199 Blind Frog Belly White
re: #192 ObserverArt

Honestly, having tried to talk sense into a couple of WV folks, I figure Manchin is very limited in his range of freedom of action.

Remember, WV is one of the if not THE whitest, and Trumpiest states in the Union. There are almost no black people or immigrants, and most of the people there have no interaction with black or brown or LGBT or Muslim people, so with their beliefs unsullied by actual knowledge, they will tell you they know more than you do about all of them.

They are not only ignorant, they are proudly ignorant. Any attempt to educate them will be met with even harsher ignorance.

Manchin’s seat is tenuous because he’s walking a tightrope, and if we didn’t have him we’d have someone TRULY representative of the arrogant ignorance of most of his constituents.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:25:35am

re: #206 dangerman

cinder blocks - find a local construction site
milk crates - behind any food store
the wood…a bit more problematic - you could probably buy it off a graduating senior

jk, right?
after all mrs. dm does all the decorating these days..

My mom worked as security at a local construction site. They don’t give stuff away.
They don’t give milk crates away.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:27:39am

re: #207 Belafon

I bought the Electric Ladyland album and an Osco drugstore in 1967…… Wish I still had it.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:28:10am

re: #196 Belafon

Plus, a cinder block shelf will last about six months in a marriage.

We did that in NJ 40 yrs ago, moved the 2x12x96 shelves to Alabama 30 yrs ago, and I incorporated them as uprights in a massive wall of ‘built-ins’. Like an XKE, they’re probably worth more now than when new.

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dangerman  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:28:27am

re: #193 The Major

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go low tech while remembering that in the 1400’s this was cutting edge!

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ObserverArt  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:29:13am

re: #186 Targetpractice

And these…

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Heh. We had one of those in a house I lived in junior and senior years in college. The big difference is we put just the top on a big heavy-duty bearing plate that allowed the top to spin. Stained it real nice and bar coated it so it was real glossy and easy to clean.

With two couches and four chairs around it it made passing “things” easy.

TV in the corner, plants filling both sets of windows on huge window sills, stereo in the owners bedroom with wires out to the four speakers.

And to make sure we could tell when someone was at the door, we had the buzzer rigged with big flood lights that would flash too.

Party central. I swear, I have stories about those two years. I’m glad we made it out the other side. That house was known city-wide and we weren’t Ohio State Students.

Art students rule!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:30:15am

re: #208 Blind Frog Belly White

Honestly, having tried to talk sense into a couple of WV folks, I figure Manchin is very limited in his range of freedom of action.

Remember, WV is one of the if not THE whitest, and Trumpiest states in the Union. There are almost no black people or immigrants, and most of the people there have no interaction with black or brown or LGBT or Muslim people, so with their beliefs unsullied by actual knowledge, they will tell you they know more than you do about all of them.

They are not only ignorant, they are proudly ignorant. Any attempt to educate them will be met with even harsher ignorance.

Manchin’s seat is tenuous because he’s walking a tightrope, and if we didn’t have him we’d have someone TRULY representative of the arrogant ignorance of most of his constituents.

I have to agree and I’m no admirer of Manchin but he’d be replaced by someone even worse. I like that phrase- arrogant ignorance, it sums it up well.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:30:37am

re: #200 The Major

As audiophiles call this - the WAF (Wife Approval Factor)….

I am very lucky in that regard. Mrs. FBW puts up with the system I put together a year before we wed (thirty years ago last week), including the 6’x18”x 1” Magneplanar speakers and the Conrad Johnson vacuum tube preamp that takes 40 seconds to heat up the tubes. And the garden hose speaker cables.

It helps that this system makes her Madonna and David Bowie sound fantastic.

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Citizen K  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:30:41am

A reminder that the rot in the Times has been there for a while, it just metastasized post-Trump

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Citizen K  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:32:31am

re: #208 Blind Frog Belly White

Honestly, having tried to talk sense into a couple of WV folks, I figure Manchin is very limited in his range of freedom of action.

Remember, WV is one of the if not THE whitest, and Trumpiest states in the Union. There are almost no black people or immigrants, and most of the people there have no interaction with black or brown or LGBT or Muslim people, so with their beliefs unsullied by actual knowledge, they will tell you they know more than you do about all of them.

They are not only ignorant, they are proudly ignorant. Any attempt to educate them will be met with even harsher ignorance.

Manchin’s seat is tenuous because he’s walking a tightrope, and if we didn’t have him we’d have someone TRULY representative of the arrogant ignorance of most of his constituents.

The irony being that it’s one of the states that has benefited greatly from the influx of immigrant doctors and medical practitioners, precisely because of the sheer lack of them for a long time. Most of the Fil-Am community in the state is made of doctors who found work here precisely because of that.

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I cannot.  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:33:07am

re: #209 Belafon

Because technically, they don’t actually belong to the grocery store where you see them, they actually belong to the dairy that the grocery store buys their milk from. Same thing with the things that hold 2-liter bottles.

The things you learn from working mass market retail…

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jaunte  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:34:36am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:34:52am

Hello again everyone! Been out a few days as I was helping out at a church Youth retreat this weekend.

Good to see Trump hasn’t nuked us into oblivion.

Dumb bastard just can’t stop picking fights with black people, can he?

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:35:24am

re: #216 Citizen K

I wonder if Ross actually understands that our “Racial trajectory” is away from whites.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:35:25am

re: #208 Blind Frog Belly White

The other thing about West Virginia? It’s about the least educated state in the union, too. 42nd in % of high school graduates, dead last in Bachelors and higher. They are the most vulnerable, economically, to both offshoring and cheap immigrant labor. So it’s not surprising that they want whatever small advantage they have for being white preserved.

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ObserverArt  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:36:23am

re: #199 Blind Frog Belly White

You know, (((New York Talk)))

Did you see MTP?

For those that may not have, Joe was saying he didn’t want to get into too much about immigration and the budget and the shutdown because that was all Trump and Schumer talking New York talk.

After Joe and having already heard McCarthy first, I quickly changed the channel back to Fox Sports 1 to continue watching the Daytona 24 Hour race. I had enough political crap for today.

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Citizen K  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:38:00am

re: #221 Belafon

I wonder if Ross actually understands that our “Racial trajectory” is away from whites.

That’s only if you start with the idea that non-white folks can ever be American to begin with. If you start with the baked-in assumption that non-whites are inherently less-American, of course the racial trajectory of the country will remain ‘white’.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:40:43am

Re Home Depot. Won’t shop at a store where the founder calls me stupid. I won’t shop at Menard’s because well, Menards. Lowe’s gets no sympathy from me either. I’ve been buying my lumber at Blifferts. Only because it’s impossible to buy lumber online economically. I do as little shopping and spending in my local community as possible. I buy most of my tools online or used. It’s been 8 years since I stopped buying anything local. If I can buy my food online I will. If a wingnut is getting my money, he’ll be from out of state. As crazy as it is, I am boycotting as many businesses in my state as possible. I try and buy dairy from out of state as well.

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allegro  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:40:56am

re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White

But once CDs took over from LPs, did milk crates even matter?

As an aside, I remember how proud I was of my first concrete-block-and-board book case, because I built it to go around a corner in my apartment. Now THAT was grown up, I thought!

The cutest apartment I ever had included an entire wall of built-up blocks and boards (that I painted) with all my books, TV, stereo stuff, records, etc. and a dining table made from a concrete bird bath base with a glass top and director’s chairs. My coffee table was an old lobster trap with glass top.

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dangerman  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:41:22am

re: #207 Belafon

The only way you can get a milk crate now is to buy it, or buy other storage, probably from Ikea.

progress
boxed milk can sit on a shelf for a year
i’ve got this by the back door, but no ones come to take the empties for years…
(one of those bottles has a cream top)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:43:02am

re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White

But once CDs took over from LPs, did milk crates even matter?

As an aside, I remember how proud I was of my first concrete-block-and-board book case, because I built it to go around a corner in my apartment. Now THAT was grown up, I thought!

When I was in college my buddy had a milk crate of CDs.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:43:31am

re: #227 dangerman

progress
boxed milk can sit on a shelf for a year
i’ve got this by the back door, but no ones come to take the empties for years…
(one of those bottles has a cream top)

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The “American Pickers” guys will stop by in the morning.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:44:18am

re: #227 dangerman

I hate to say this but my parents had a milk box like that when I was growing up. It sat outside the back door and I took in the milk (plastic gallon jugs) every couple days.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:44:30am

re: #207 Belafon

The only way you can get a milk crate now is to buy it, or buy other storage, probably from Ikea.

I recently got a lot of used LPs and I have some of those “milk” crates you buy in the store and every one of them is .5” short of being able to hold the records. Most likely on purpose.

FUUUUCKKK!!!

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ObserverArt  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:44:31am

re: #208 Blind Frog Belly White

Honestly, having tried to talk sense into a couple of WV folks, I figure Manchin is very limited in his range of freedom of action.

Remember, WV is one of the if not THE whitest, and Trumpiest states in the Union. There are almost no black people or immigrants, and most of the people there have no interaction with black or brown or LGBT or Muslim people, so with their beliefs unsullied by actual knowledge, they will tell you they know more than you do about all of them.

They are not only ignorant, they are proudly ignorant. Any attempt to educate them will be met with even harsher ignorance.

Manchin’s seat is tenuous because he’s walking a tightrope, and if we didn’t have him we’d have someone TRULY representative of the arrogant ignorance of most of his constituents.

I know. Just frustrated with it all. I’d just love to see some Democratic fight in the state.

Being from Ohio, I am familiar with the state and people. Many make their way to Columbus.

When I roadied for a band back in the 70s, during summers and some weekends while going to school, we played Parkersburg, Wheeling and Clarksburg. So I’ve been in the state a bit too. Lovely part of the country. The people are just so tight to their own thoughts, everything else is seen as suspicious activity by outsiders out to take them.

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stpaulbear  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:45:21am

re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White

But once CDs took over from LPs, did milk crates even matter?

As an aside, I remember how proud I was of my first concrete-block-and-board book case, because I built it to go around a corner in my apartment. Now THAT was grown up, I thought!

For a short while, Ikea made the best CD bookshelf you could find. It was about 4 feet tall, 20 inches wide and held six shelves of CDs. I bought five of them and would buy more if they still made them.

Ikea does still make the best LP shelves available with their Kallax systems. Last weekend, I bought one of those and a bookshelf just like the one that Belafon mentions above (except it’s the black version with adjustable shelves). I’ve been looking for a good inexpensive CD storage shelf for a while but no one seems to make them anymore.

I’ve still got the milk crates that I used for records. They’re used for storage out in the garage now.

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dangerman  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:46:43am

re: #208 Blind Frog Belly White

Honestly, having tried to talk sense into a couple of WV folks, I figure Manchin is very limited in his range of freedom of action.

Remember, WV is one of the if not THE whitest, and Trumpiest states in the Union. There are almost no black people or immigrants, and most of the people there have no interaction with black or brown or LGBT or Muslim people, so with their beliefs unsullied by actual knowledge, they will tell you they know more than you do about all of them.

They are not only ignorant, they are proudly ignorant. Any attempt to educate them will be met with even harsher ignorance.

Manchin’s seat is tenuous because he’s walking a tightrope, and if we didn’t have him we’d have someone TRULY representative of the arrogant ignorance of most of his constituents.

so interestingly they have very strong opinions and want to influence national policy about issues that dont directly affect their lives much if at all

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Amory Blaine  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:47:01am

My house has a pass through milk door at the back entrance. I was thinking of putting a sprinkler controller behind it to at least make it functional for today.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:47:31am

Chris Christie is running as a Democrat for Alabama Attorney General.

christie4alabamaag.com

Not that Chris Christie.

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dangerman  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:48:01am

re: #209 Belafon

My mom worked as security at a local construction site. They don’t give stuff away.
They don’t give milk crates away.

this was many many years ago. and im not suggesting they gave stuff away
so…moving on, lest i become a deportation target

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sagehen  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:48:17am

re: #180 Blind Frog Belly White

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What, did concrete blocks and 1x12’s suddenly stop being produced after we Boomers graduated to real furniture?

And milk crates.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:48:40am

re: #236 Decatur Deb

I did not think that the Jersey Whale would be welcome in Alabama.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:50:36am

re: #239 PhillyPretzel

I did not think that the Jersey Whale would be welcome in Alabama.

Fits in better than I do.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:50:50am

re: #234 dangerman

so interestingly they have very strong opinions and want to influence national policy about issues that dont directly affect their lives much if at all

Polls have consistently showed that the places that want to get rid of minorities have very little interaction with them.

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dangerman  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:51:32am

re: #219 jaunte

So the question is how does Manafort go from that terrible state to running the Trump campaign a year later? 5/

or how does someone who “only hires the best” let a guy like this even near his campaign?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:54:08am

re: #224 Citizen K

That’s only if you start with the idea that non-white folks can ever be American to begin with. If you start with the baked-in assumption that non-whites are inherently less-American, of course the racial trajectory of the country will remain ‘white’.

The whole ‘skill-based immigration’ thing is a way of saying ‘European immigration’ which is to say ‘white immigration’.

But here’s the thing - we’ve spent 300 years emptying Europe of the adventurous types who want to build a new life in a new place. Meanwhile, Asia and Africa and Latin America have lots of people anxious to build a new life in a new place, people who WANT TO work hard and make something for themselves.

Meanwhile swaths of America are full of people whose ancestors moved here hundreds of years ago, and who are not willing to move anywhere else to build a better life for themselves.

Which is more valuable to America? The immigrant from a ‘shithole country’ who wants a better life for themselves and their family and will work to acquire skills and education to achieve that? Or the ones who think America owes them a high-paying job despite their low skill level, in the town where they grew up?

Sorry, I guess I’m pissing on a lot of people, but the view of America as ‘blood and soil’ is so far removed from reality. Combine that with the intolerance of difference of any kind, and the contempt for knowledge and expertise, and I see America turning into a shithole country.

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dangerman  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:55:51am

re: #230 PhillyPretzel

I hate to say this but my parents had a milk box like that when I was growing up. It sat outside the back door and I took in the milk (plastic gallon jugs) every couple days.

this was mine growing up
quarts
all glass
plastic wasnt invented yet ;-)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:55:59am

re: #241 Belafon

Polls have consistently showed that the places that want to get rid of minorities have very little interaction with them.

And chock full of experts on The Negro, and Mooozlimz.

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Citizen K  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:58:05am

re: #234 dangerman

so interestingly they have very strong opinions and want to influence national policy about issues that dont directly affect their lives much if at all

re: #241 Belafon

Polls have consistently showed that the places that want to get rid of minorities have very little interaction with them.

It’s the Dunning-Kruger of immigration issues.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:59:07am

re: #243 Blind Frog Belly White

I give people a hard time about ethnicity sometimes. When I have to listen to how “proud” someone is of being “German” or “Irish” or whatever. I’m like motherfucker, you ain’t even met your great great grandparents that came here from there, so how the fuck can you be proud of being Irish? If Germany was so great, why the fuck did your ancestors come here? Heh.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 28, 2018 • 10:59:56am

Conservatives willing to give Donald Trump a “mulligan” for his affair with a porn star are the same ones who brings up adultery to discredit Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

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allegro  Jan 28, 2018 • 11:00:05am

re: #244 dangerman

this was mine growing up
quarts
all glass
plastic wasnt invented yet ;-)

Ours too when I was a kid in Enid, OK. Glass bottles with the little cardboard tops that fit inside the rim. Our milkman walked right in the house through the back door, looked in the fridge to see what we had and left what we needed. Grabbed the empty bottles from the thingie on his way out.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 28, 2018 • 11:04:50am

re: #248 DodgerFan1988

Conservatives willing to give Donald Trump a “mulligan” for his affair with a porn star are the same ones who brings up adultery to discredit Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

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Black man as sexual monster, threatening the purity of our white women.

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ObserverArt  Jan 28, 2018 • 11:12:11am

re: #249 allegro

Ours too when I was a kid in Enid, OK. Glass bottles with the little cardboard tops that fit inside the rim. Our milkman walked right in the house through the back door, looked in the fridge to see what we had and left what we needed. Grabbed the empty bottles from the thingie on his way out.

We had a little six space metal rack with a handle. The truck stopped by, and if there were two milk bottles, a chocolate milk and an orange juice in the rack, he would replace the rack with the same. He’d then ring the doorbell, or knock.

Yes, we got orange juice from the dairy. For some time that was actually Isaly’s Dairy, then it became Page’s.

And those were the days when the economy and work supported mom being home to get the milk in.

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sagehen  Jan 28, 2018 • 11:12:13am

re: #221 Belafon

I wonder if Ross actually understands that our “Racial trajectory” is away from whites.

I wonder if Ross actually understands that DIVERSITY was the not-so-secret weapon that won WWII. The Nazis were all German. Efficient, aryan, teutonic, etc. We had Navajo code-talkers, Jewish physicists, Sicilian Mafia, the 442nd Nisei infantry, our privates and spies (collectively) spoke every European language with every accent and had cousins in every occupied village…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 28, 2018 • 11:20:29am

re: #216 Citizen K

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A reminder that the rot in the Times has been there for a while, it just metastasized post-Trump

So Ross wants to see more “high skilled, highly educated legal immigrants” therefore he must want more brown-skinned people from India and Pakistan.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2018 • 11:33:07am

re: #251 ObserverArt

We had a little six space metal rack with a handle. The truck stopped by, and if there were two milk bottles, a chocolate milk and an orange juice in the rack, he would replace the rack with the same. He’d then ring the doorbell, or knock.

Yes, we got orange juice from the dairy. For some time that was actually Isaly’s Dairy, then it became Page’s.

And those were the days when the economy and work supported mom being home to get the milk in.

We had that kind of delivery in Pittsburgh. In Italy they delivered wine.

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The Major  Jan 28, 2018 • 11:44:48am

re: #215 Blind Frog Belly White

Conrad Johnson vacuum tube preamp

I remember a great Stereo Review cartoon back in the 1970’s which shows some news reporter crying madly when he had to report that local stereo store was destroyed ina fire and when he got to talking about the Conrad Johnson gear he was bawling like a baby…

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austin_blue  Jan 28, 2018 • 11:51:07am

re: #168 scottslemmons

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Strauss is already going to retire, but Texas Republicans are still infuriated at him for not letting them get their sadism on.

Well, he IS Jewish…

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 28, 2018 • 12:02:04pm

re: #186 Targetpractice

And these…

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We had one of those as the kids picnic table in the backyard.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 28, 2018 • 12:52:28pm

re: #253 The Vicious Babushka

So Ross wants to see more “high skilled, highly educated legal immigrants” therefore he must want more brown-skinned people from India and Pakistan.

Also Asians.


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