FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe “Forced Out”

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Trump press secretary Sarah Sanders denied today that Donnie had anything to do with this, despite his weeks-long campaign of incitement against McCabe: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe is stepping down

There were reports last month that McCabe, 49, planned to retire in the coming months, but sources told CBS’ Pat Milton that McCabe was forced out. NBC’s Pete Williams notes that in addition to the distraction caused by criticism from President Trump, McCabe may be anticipating the release of an inspector general’s report on how the FBI handled the Clinton email investigation.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:28:08am

I just CL’ed the last thread, but this is the unified message from the wingnutisphere:

The hot take from the wingnuts is that Wray saw the memo and McCabe scurried out because he knows he’s just about to get swept up in indictments against Hillary and Obama.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:28:15am

Keep digging, Portly Pinochet.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:28:35am

re: #1 Barefoot Grin

I just CL’ed the last thread, but this is the unified message from the wingnutisphere:

The hot take from the wingnuts is that Wray saw the memo and McCabe scurried out because he knows he’s just about to get swept up in indictments against Hillary and Obama.

Which makes no sense. But let the RWNJ do RWNJ.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:29:54am

re: #1 Barefoot Grin

I just CL’ed the last thread, but this is the unified message from the wingnutisphere:

The hot take from the wingnuts is that Wray saw the memo and McCabe scurried out because he knows he’s just about to get swept up in indictments against Hillary and Obama.

It also means the RWNJ don’t have McCabe to kick around anymore. They’ll have to find new enemies.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:31:35am

re: #1 Barefoot Grin

I just CL’ed the last thread, but this is the unified message from the wingnutisphere:

The hot take from the wingnuts is that Wray saw the memo and McCabe scurried out because he knows he’s just about to get swept up in indictments against Hillary and Obama.

That doesn’t make any sense.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:32:08am

re: #4 Sir John Barron

One thing they’re skilled at is quickly turning their wrath onto a new enemy.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:32:30am

re: #5 HappyWarrior

They didn’t get a chance to take away his pension!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:33:58am

re: #6 Amory Blaine

One thing they’re skilled at is quickly turning their wrath onto a new enemy.

Yep.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:34:48am

re: #5 HappyWarrior

That doesn’t make any sense.

but it fits the narrative and makes a handy radio talking point

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Sir John Barron  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:38:49am

re: #9 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

but it fits the narrative and makes a handy radio talking point

You’d think Donny Junior and the other rugnuts would be embarrassed at the insinuation that Pops reached down into the federal bureaucracy to can a public servant, but of course, this crew doesn’t embarrass easily.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:39:46am

re: #9 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

but it fits the narrative and makes a handy radio talking point

Once again, if Obama had canned a #2 at DOJ or FBI who Obama had been screaming at for more than a year as being biased against him a GOP Congress would immediately have started impeachment hearings.

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makeitstop  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:41:01am
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MsJ  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:41:25am

re: #11 Sir John Barron

Once again, if Obama had canned a #2 at DOJ or FBI who Obama had been screaming at for more than a year as being biased against him a GOP Congress would immediately have started impeachment hearings.

I keep saying this (over and over), Dems and GOPers play by different rules and they define those rules.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:41:51am
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MsJ  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:43:23am

re: #12 makeitstop

What is HPSCI SCIF?

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:44:52am

re: #15 MsJ

What is HPSCI SCIF?

House
Permanent
Select
Committe
on
Intelligence

Sensitive
Compartmented
Information
Facility

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jaunte  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:47:00am
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makeitstop  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:47:21am

re: #15 MsJ

What is HPSCI SCIF?

House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence

Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility - basically a sound-proof room with no connections to outside communications, for reviewing sensitive/classified stuff

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:47:46am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

7% are yes….

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:50:07am

re: #17 jaunte

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Whoa! Burn Center, we have a third-degree case on the way…..

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:50:28am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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Where’s the “RON PAUL!!!” option?

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Broad With Sass  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:51:27am

re: #19 Colère Tueur de Lapin

It could be the way it’s worded I almost voted yes until I re-read it

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Kragar  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:51:53am

re: #20 Barefoot Grin

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FormerDirtDart  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:54:45am

re: #18 makeitstop

House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence

Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility - basically a sound-proof room with no connections to outside communications, for reviewing sensitive/classified stuff

SCIFs can have communications connection, they just have to be secured systems.
I’ve been a crap load of SCIFs

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:55:18am

re: #23 Kragar

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Ha!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:55:19am

re: #23 Kragar

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Uh no. The more you talk the more you prove your youngest brother is far more smart than you, your dad, sister, and other brother combined.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 29, 2018 • 11:56:42am

Ugh. Google Adsense is now handing out policy violations if a years-old article has an embedded video that was deleted from YouTube. Apparently Google thinks we have nothing better to do than check every one of almost 50,000 articles to make sure all the videos still work.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:03:26pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

Thanks. Is this standard stuff or…?

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Kragar  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:06:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:10:53pm

re: #29 Kragar

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Bernie would have won.// Despite you know not getting PoC at all.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:11:26pm
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Sea Mexican!  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:11:38pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Ugh. Google Adsense is now handing out policy violations if a years-old article has an embedded video that was deleted from YouTube. Apparently Google thinks we have nothing better to do than check every one of almost 50,000 articles to make sure all the videos still work.

Even if this check could be automated, it makes no sense to penalize Google Adsense active users.

Perhaps Google drop one word from their famous motto?

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:12:01pm

I’d say it’s 10/1 bots and Trumpsters flooding the Andrew McCabe hashtag now. There’s a bunch of “he’s a criminal” but no one seems to know why. Twitter is a fucked up place sometimes.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:13:22pm

re: #31 MsJ

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Do it motherfuckers. Line it up and put in a lackey that will shit can Mueller. I double dog dare you.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:14:32pm
CURRENT MOOD
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:14:38pm

I am not 100% convinced the GOP won’t get away with somehow derailing the Mueller inquiry.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:14:59pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Ugh. Google Adsense is now handing out policy violations if a years-old article has an embedded video that was deleted from YouTube. Apparently Google thinks we have nothing better to do than check every one of almost 50,000 articles to make sure all the videos still work.

Pretty sure I have a couple like that, happy to dig them up if helpful.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:15:47pm

re: #36 Eclectic Cyborg

I am not 100% convinced the GOP won’t get away with somehow derailing the Mueller inquiry.

They can’t stop the NY AG.

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VegasGolfer  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:15:52pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:16:58pm

re: #38 Belafon

They can’t stop the NY AG.

Can Schneiderman stop a President?

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:18:36pm

re: #40 Eclectic Cyborg

Can Schneiderman stop a President?

I can’t remember the details, but someone asked this of Preet a couple of weeks ago on his podcast and he basically said “no.”

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Kragar  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:19:05pm
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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:20:14pm

re: #42 Kragar

Not for nothing, but that House of Representatives header looks like a Castlevania logo.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:20:18pm

re: #42 Kragar

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You know, we even redo paper work with double periods if we have to.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:20:35pm

re: #43 Citizen K

Not for nothing, but that House of Representatives header looks like a Castlevania logo.

Yeah it does.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:27:49pm

re: #42 Kragar

It’s a pubic humiliation!
LBJ School “Mortified” Over “Pubic Affairs” Typo

At Austinist, Katie Friel described the error as a “hairy situation,” the first of many similarly bush-league puns.

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S'latch  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:28:55pm

re: #42 Kragar

The theory that Conservatism is the result of opioid drug abuse is still valid in my opinion.

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freetoken  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:30:10pm

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Idiocracy.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:32:16pm

Read this. There is so much obstruction going on.

Kelly held separate meetings or phone calls with senior Justice Department officials last Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday to convey Trump’s displeasure and lecture them on the White House’s expectations, according to the people. Kelly has taken to ending such conversations with a disclaimer that the White House isn’t expecting officials to do anything illegal or unethical.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:36:30pm

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Republicans may have to recall all State of the Union tickets because they say “Uniom” not “Union,” per two Dem aides.

misspelling, it was supposed to be “State of the Onion”, a discussion of satirists’ inability to come up with anything outrageous enough compete with real developments

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:36:35pm

re: #49 Stanley Sea

“We’re not going to have your back if you do something illegal, but we won’t think any less of you if you do.”

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:38:48pm

Just remembered: Omarosa will be on Celebrity Big Brother.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:40:45pm

A small step:

“And I hold myself somewhat responsible for that,” continued [Jeffry] Toobin, a steady presence on CNN since 2002. “I think there was a lot of false equivalence in the 2016 campaign. That every time we said something, pointed out something about Donald Trump — whether it was his business interests, or grab ‘em by the p—-y, we felt like, ‘Oh, we gotta, like, talk about — we gotta say something bad about Hillary.’ And I think it led to a sense of false equivalence that was misleading, and I regret my role in doing that.”

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Amory Blaine  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:43:25pm

Hey, they took out all the TVs in the clinic lobby. Small victories.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:44:28pm

re: #53 Belafon

Yeah, ok, let’s see what happens in 2020. See if he remembers. Then I will believe him.

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:46:31pm

re: #48 freetoken

Idiocracy.

Narrator: The years passed, mankind became stupider at a frightening rate. Some had high hopes the genetic engineering would correct this trend in evolution, but sadly the greatest minds and resources where focused on conquering hair loss and prolonging erections.

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makeitstop  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:47:17pm
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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:47:56pm

re: #53 Belafon

A small step, but it also ignores that this is hardly the birth of ‘both sides same thing’. It was just ramped up to absurd levels because of just how much malfeasance Trump perpetrated.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:49:55pm

re: #57 makeitstop

From what we’ve heard about it, the immediate response needs to be “And how does this change the investigation?”

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:51:37pm

re: #58 Citizen K

A small step, but it also ignores that this is hardly the birth of ‘both sides same thing’. It was just ramped up to absurd levels because of just how much malfeasance Trump perpetrated.

And I’d read that somewhere. Because they had to do “Some from Column B because we pulled from Column A” it made Hillary’s few issues look super serious compared to the shitstorm coming from Trump.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:54:57pm

re: #42 Kragar

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Maybe they meant ‘State of the Unisom’ since TelePrompTer Trump will put you right to sleep as he laboriously decodes simple words.

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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2018 • 12:58:16pm

re: #60 Belafon

Again, the basics of ‘both sides same thing’: making things look equal in seriousness even when one is the smallest of potatoes and one is possible fucking treason (or at the very least, career ending). Combined with the sheer level of projection the GOP deals in and media giving them undue credulity by default, they made Hillary into the massive fucking criminal treasonous mastermind while all of Trump’s shit got brushed under the table week of. It’s how Obama golfing in general became the greatest waste of money and leadership ever because of Bush’s ‘watch this drive’ moment. It’s how ‘Fast and Furious’ became worse than Valerie Plame, etc.

It’s been their calling card since ‘00 at the absolute fucking minimum. They don’t really get much credit for figuring it out now, especially if they’re just going to go back and do it all over again because they’re terrified of the ‘liberal media’ bullshit.

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Interesting Times  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:01:51pm

re: #59 Belafon

From what we’ve heard about it, the immediate response needs to be “And how does this change the investigation?”

As per MsJ’s #31, the memo is supposed to provide pretext for firing Rosenstein so he can be replaced by a stooge who’ll fire Mueller?

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fern01  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:02:18pm

re: #36 Eclectic Cyborg

I am not 100% convinced the GOP won’t get away with somehow derailing the Mueller inquiry.

You are not alone - trump has got away with issues that would have caused Obama to resign or be impeached. He has been forgiven by the religious right for being a 3 times husband and adulterer not to mention abusing women and then there are the bankruptcies and financially screwing business associates

I’ll be amazed if Mueller gets to the end of his inquiry - and if he does the GOP probably won’t release the findings.

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fern01  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:06:03pm

re: #55 A Mom Anon

Yeah, ok, let’s see what happens in 2020. See if he remembers. Then I will believe him.

I don’t believe him now - the media is still attacking Hillary & talking “both sides” on all and any GOP issues.

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jaunte  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:06:58pm
WASHINGTON — The day after President Donald Trump fired James Comey, he became so furious watching television footage of the ousted FBI director boarding a government-funded plane from Los Angeles back to Washington, D.C. that he called the bureau’s acting director, Andrew McCabe, to vent, according to multiple people familiar with the phone call.

Trump demanded to know why Comey was allowed to fly on an FBI plane after he had been fired, these people said. McCabe told the president he hadn’t been asked to authorize Comey’s flight, but if anyone had asked, he would have approved it, three people familiar with the call recounted to NBC News.

The president was silent for a moment and then turned on McCabe, suggesting he ask his wife how it feels to be a loser — an apparent reference to a failed campaign for state office in Virginia that McCabe’s wife made in 2015.

McCabe replied: “OK, sir.” Trump then hung up the phone.

Both the White House and the FBI declined to comment on the call.
nbcnews.com

Once again, what. an. asshole.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:07:40pm

re: #63 Interesting Times

As per MsJ’s #31, the memo is supposed to provide pretext for firing Rosenstein so he can be replaced by a stooge who’ll fire Comey?

I get that, though you mean Mueller, but the response to cut this off is to ask how it affects the investigation.

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thecommodore  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:07:47pm

re: #3 Sir John Barron

Which makes no sense. But let the RWNJ do RWNJ.

I highly recommend Brian Klaas’s book The Despot’s Apprenctice, because he talks about this very scenario, as well as the many other things that have been talked about since Trump became President. It’s a fast read, and it will make your blood boil because you will relive the insanity of the first ten months of the Trump presidency (the book went to press in October 2017), but it’s all written in the framework of Trump’s authoritarian demeanor and ultimate contempt for the rule of law and democracy. It isn’t alarmist - Klaas doesn’t compare Trump to Hitler or say that he’s going to suspend the constitution or impose martial law - but it does show how, from the beginning, Trump has worked to erode our democratic institutions, with the aide of Congressional Republicans. So check it out.

Speaking of Congressional Republicans, do not the actions of Devin Nunes, Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, and even Trey Gowdy at least flirt with obstruction of justice? I think this whole #ReleaseTheMemo nonsense, in part, is just as serious as that which Trump has done. They are aiding and abetting him. Which makes them criminals, as well as Quislings.

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gocart mozart  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:09:52pm
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Interesting Times  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:11:24pm

re: #69 gocart mozart

I think you’ve officially achieved Poe levels with that tweet. If it hadn’t been for your username attached to it, I’d have thought it was real o_O

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:12:47pm

re: #69 gocart mozart

Trump won because too many people who didn’t care for his policies got complacent and thought he wouldn’t win so they’d oppose Hillary out of principle, either through not voting or voting third party (a small fraction couldn’t vote for the first woman president and did vote for Trump for that reason). As much as it’s fun to this that “Libs were mean” is a reason these people voted for Trump, they were going to vote for him. “Mean” is just one of a string of excuses.

Edit: And yes, I know who FBS is.

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gocart mozart  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:13:09pm

re: #70 Interesting Times

I know her, she knows I’m joking.

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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:13:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:13:56pm

re: #69 gocart mozart

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Dude you worked for Breitbart, shut up.

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gocart mozart  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:14:10pm

The president is a petulant asshole

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:14:23pm

Working from home today I’ve flipped the TV on a few times. MSNBC has had on Gaetz and Jim Jordan today. Don’t know about CNN. I know I need to buck up, but I can’t help feel a little doomed when even MSNBC are giving these chowderheads airtime to spread lies about the memo. And tomorrow Trump will be presidential for reading a script. It just feels bleak. Sorry. Back to work.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:14:52pm

re: #71 Belafon

Trump won because too many people who didn’t care for his policies got complacent and thought he wouldn’t win so they’d oppose Hillary out of principle, either through not voting or voting third party (a small fraction couldn’t vote for the first woman president and did vote for Trump for that reason). As much as it’s fun to this that “Libs were mean” is a reason these people voted for Trump, they were going to vote for him. “Mean” is just one of a string of excuses.

Yep but Shapiro’s a stupid persons idea of an intellectual. He’s a fucking know none at all.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:15:30pm

re: #66 jaunte

Once again, what. an. asshole.

Leaving on that note means McCabe has no loyalty to this particular president.

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scottslemmons  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:16:44pm

re: #68 thecommodore

Speaking of Congressional Republicans, do not the actions of Devin Nunes, Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, and even Trey Gowdy at least flirt with obstruction of justice? I think this whole #ReleaseTheMemo nonsense, in part, is just as serious as that which Trump has done. They are aiding and abetting him. Which makes them criminals, as well as Quislings.

If this whole thing ends with only Trump out of office, we’ve failed utterly. Every Republican serving in Congress needs to go to prison. Every Republican-leaning pundit who’s made excuses and lies for this needs to go to prison. A decent number of state-level Republican politicians should go to prison, too.

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Interesting Times  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:17:16pm

re: #67 Belafon

I get that, though you mean Mueller, but the response to cut this off is to ask how it affects the investigation.

Yes, I meant Mueller. But bad-faith GOPers will answer your question with blather on how the memo “proves” the entire investigation is corrupt so Cheeto Benito is totes justified in firing Mueller because MAGA (and this “spin” will be endlessly and breathlessly repeated on the MSM with no pushback).

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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:18:44pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

And yet he’s fooled so many, including a disturbingly large number of our generation, that he’s a brilliant genius debater and intellectual. He’s given undue credence because he give a pseudo-academic air to white supremacy, scientific racism, and the same general sociopathy that the GOP caters in.

It’s despairingly common for me to see folks praise Shapiro for his writing and how he ‘owns dirty feminists’ and that sort of bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:20:05pm

re: #81 Citizen K

And yet he’s fooled so many, including a disturbingly large number of our generation, that he’s a brilliant genius debater and intellectual. He’s given undue credence because he give a pseudo-academic air to white supremacy, scientific racism, and the same general sociopathy that the GOP caters in.

It’s despairingly common for me to see folks praise Shapiro for his writing and how he ‘owns dirty feminists’ and that sort of bullshit.

Yeah I hear ya. I have a conservative friend who loves pushing his bullshit. He’s a waste of a good law degree.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:20:50pm

Shapiro ignores of course that Trump relishes in celebrity.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:21:32pm

re: #73 Citizen K

re: #80 Interesting Times

A corollary of #IOKIYAR is the left’s constant tendency to automatically construct the actions people will take to benefit Republicans rather than sticking to opposing them.

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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:21:39pm

….what.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:22:48pm

re: #76 Barefoot Grin

Working from home today I’ve flipped the TV on a few times. MSNBC has had on Gaetz and Jim Jordan today. Don’t know about CNN. I know I need to buck up, but I can’t help feel a little doomed when even MSNBC are giving these chowderheads airtime to spread lies about the memo. And tomorrow Trump will be presidential for reading a script. It just feels bleak. Sorry. Back to work.

Pretty soon they’ll have conservatives thinking maybe MSNBC is OK.

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:23:54pm

re: #75 gocart mozart

The president is a petulant asshole

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Not wanting to be distracted from her 20+ tweets about Hillary, Maggie “magsplains” it away with:

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jaunte  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:24:47pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:24:52pm

re: #88 BeachDem

Not wanting to be distracted from her 20+ tweets about Hillary, Maggie “magsplains” it away with:

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It’s that NY dialect again.

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dangerman  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:25:00pm

re: #73 Citizen K

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it should have all crystallized with Gorsuch and now there should be no room for any iota of doubt

the final extent to which Republicans debased themselves and their country to maintain control of the Supreme Court.

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dangerman  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:27:06pm

re: #71 Belafon

Trump won because too many people who didn’t care for his policies got complacent and thought he wouldn’t win so they’d oppose Hillary out of principle, either through not voting or voting third party (a small fraction couldn’t vote for the first woman president and did vote for Trump for that reason). As much as it’s fun to this that “Libs were mean” is a reason these people voted for Trump, they were going to vote for him. “Mean” is just one of a string of excuses.

he “also” won because enough wealthy, ‘fiscally conservative moderates’ traded social justice, the planet, their daughter’s rights, international relations, safe gun policy, the health care of millions and much more for their own tax cut.

and the struggling, white middle class traded it all for a fictional job promise.

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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:27:23pm

re: #91 dangerman

it should have all crystallized with Gorsuch and now there should be no room for any iota of doubt

the final extent to which Republicans debased themselves and their country to maintain control of the Supreme Court.

I mean…it seems like most of the Dem leadership seems to get it. But it’s a frustratingly uphill battle considering how many institutions seem to be fully and utterly compromised and bent on giving Trump and Co a full pass at every turn (all the while grinding their heel on anyone who dares try to hold him accountable). Even the lefter-than-thou folks seem to have persisted in making the Dem party their Public Enemy #1, with Trump a distant #2.

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jaunte  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:27:24pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:27:45pm

re: #89 jaunte

Genuinely fucked up for the son of POTUS to be publicly questioning the right of a career FBI agent to his pension absent actual evidence of wrongdoing.

“Genuinely Fucked Up” is on the Trump family crest.

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Interesting Times  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:27:53pm

re: #84 Belafon

A corollary of #IOKIYAR is the left’s constant tendency to automatically construct the actions people will take to benefit Republicans rather than sticking to opposing them.

No argument there - I’ve been saying for ages that Dems should listen to George Lakeoff (and others with similar views) and shout their own framing from the rooftops, no matter how much the bad-faith GOPers and their MSM enablers try to squelch it. Instead, they have a nasty habit of folding like cheap lawn chairs the minute they’re faced with faux indignation from the usual suspects.

And of course there’s always the option (now more than ever) of bypassing the beltway MSM filter and fighting fire with fire (e.g. targeted social media campaigns, etc). Ted Lieu and John Dingell are some great examples of Dems who use Twitter effectively to get the Dem message out.

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Kragar  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:28:28pm

Reports that Syrian Regime Forces attacked the Turks

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dangerman  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:29:40pm

re: #87 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Small aircraft forced to make emergency landing on Long Island beach

New meaning for “landing wheels up.”

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wow, i woulda liked to have seen that amazing piloting

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Charles Johnson  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:29:48pm
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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:30:20pm

re: #86 Sir John Barron

Pretty soon they’ll have conservatives thinking maybe MSNBC is OK.

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freetoken  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:31:00pm

re: #96 Interesting Times

My limited experience, such as observing my friends on Facebook, that many people who like to label themselves as “liberal” avoid confronting the wingnuts. It’s all too easy, if one is half-way intelligent, employed, and otherwise engaged in life, to just sequester oneself into a bubble of like-minded people.

This gets back to my idea that the past few decades or so the Democratic party has been afraid of ideology. There has been a trend towards acting like it is not necessary to defend ideas.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:31:11pm

re: #71 Belafon

Trump won because too many people who didn’t care for his policies got complacent and thought he wouldn’t win so they’d oppose Hillary out of principle, either through not voting or voting third party (a small fraction couldn’t vote for the first woman president and did vote for Trump for that reason). As much as it’s fun to this that “Libs were mean” is a reason these people voted for Trump, they were going to vote for him. “Mean” is just one of a string of excuses.

Edit: And yes, I know who FBS is.

Trump won because the electoral vote got tweaked in some key states, whether this was due to targeting voters in those states or outright election machine tampering.

I see that Berniebots are still hard at work trying to split #TheResistance and scam money for Scott Dworkin at the same time.

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dangerman  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:31:18pm

re: #88 BeachDem

Not wanting to be distracted from her 20+ tweets about Hillary, Maggie “magsplains” it away with:

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bonehead

Calling places shitholes is just how he talks

yeah, this is easy….

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Mike Lamb  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:32:11pm

re: #88 BeachDem

Not wanting to be distracted from her 20+ tweets about Hillary, Maggie “magsplains” it away with:

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Yes, Maggie, we know. He talks like an asshole.

I mean honestly, how the fuck is that a defense?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:32:36pm

re: #103 dangerman

bonehead

Calling places shitholes is just how he talks

yeah, this is easy….

Does she ever get tired of sucking up for him?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:33:19pm

re: #104 Mike Lamb

Yes, Maggie, we know. He talks like an asshole.

I mean honestly, how the fuck is that a defense?

Seriously can you imagine if Obama talked that way? Fuck Trump but also fuck his enablers.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:33:54pm

I’m not entirely sure how Democrats were supposed to oppose Republicans attempt to trash the constitution when:
1. The media keeps favoring Republicans on messaging: The number of Republicans vs Democrats that get invited on shows, Fox, the empty Trump podium when Clinton was speaking.
2. An entire segment of the population kept choosing Republicans.

It ties into the Democrats continuing losses after the CRA and VRA legislation. So many people want blacks, Latinos, and gays gone, and women back in the kitchen, including women.

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dangerman  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:35:32pm

re: #93 Citizen K

I mean…it seems like most of the Dem leadership seems to get it. But it’s a frustratingly uphill battle considering how many institutions seem to be fully and utterly compromised and bent on giving Trump and Co a full pass at every turn (all the while grinding their heel on anyone who dares try to hold him accountable). Even the lefter-than-thou folks seem to have persisted in making the Dem party their Public Enemy #1, with Trump a distant #2.

for all its depravity and lack of humanity the right has a way of distilling its 4 main issues, then focusing and uniting itself in action and message.

‘the left’ is a broader coalition of diverse thought, ideas, wants, goals and needs.
i keep saying the best we can do is something all encompassing and lofty like
“liberty and justice for all”. and save the details for later

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Kragar  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:36:11pm
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plansbandc  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:39:46pm

re: #109 Kragar

The stupid is strong with that one.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:40:12pm

re: #17 jaunte

I will also say that this is an appropriate response.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:43:45pm

re: #109 Kragar

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If PETA did do that, I wouldn’t have a shit fit on Twitter but there’s a difference between a racist logo and an animal logo. This guy isn’t as clever as he thinks he is.

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scottslemmons  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:44:37pm

re: #75 gocart mozart

The president is a petulant asshole

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Trump’s jail cell needs to have “LOSER” painted in bright red paint on the back wall so he knows everyone who sees him will have that word associated with him. It needs to be the last word he sees before he eventually passes on.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:45:20pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:49:49pm

Been playing all day

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gocart mozart  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:52:15pm
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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:52:48pm

re: #107 Belafon

I’m not entirely sure how Democrats were supposed to oppose Republicans attempt to trash the constitution when:
1. The media keeps favoring Republicans on messaging: The number of Republicans vs Democrats that get invited on shows, Fox, the empty Trump podium when Clinton was speaking.
2. An entire segment of the population kept choosing Republicans.

It ties into the Democrats continuing losses after the CRA and VRA legislation. So many people want blacks, Latinos, and gays gone, and women back in the kitchen, including women.

This. We’ve seen what can happen even if you get on the right message, get out there and get in people’s faces, and unite in the right way: they just utterly dismiss your existence and work as normal anyway. We’ve seen it with the media pretending that non-Trump voters simply don’t exist. We’ve seen it with the way they ignore the massive number and volume of marches that have happened, many with pretty damn focused messages. The only time we exist is when we’re cast as agitator and antagonist, which is what they managed to pull off in Charlottesville where, somehow, despite pulling off something that would have BLM pilloried and declared even more of a terrorist organization than they already pretend it is, Naziism and white supremacy became even MORE mainstreamed and protected, because ANTIFAAAA! and “Both sides same thing”ing.

“Better messaging”, “unified messaging” seems to be as much spitting in the wind when it can all just be ignored away, and replaced with caricatures of your “Message” by those who control the fucking megaphones.

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:53:33pm

Heh

Now THAT I’d watch.

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BigPapa  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:54:04pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:54:10pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

That doesn’t make any sense.

Since when do RWNJs make sense?

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austin_blue  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:54:36pm

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

It’s a pubic humiliation!
LBJ School “Mortified” Over “Pubic Affairs” Typo

She Who Must Be Obeyed got her MPP degree at the LBJ School back in the 90’s. Even then, “public” and “pubic” were always highlighted in school spellcheckers to avoid that specific goof.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:54:58pm

re: #4 Sir John Barron

It also means the RWNJ don’t have McCabe to kick around anymore. They’ll have to find new enemies.

Rod Rosenstein…and has added extra value of a Jewish name for the alt right fanbois to make new memes!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:58:01pm

re: #116 gocart mozart

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I’m waiting for Ben Garrison to go full Tom of Finland mode and draw Trump as a muscle leatherman….

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BigPapa  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:58:03pm

Now that McCabe is out… much easier for him to talk to Mueller. His exposure to retribution is much narrower.

Dumb Trumpkins. They’re playing marbles when they need to be playing chess.

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dangerman  Jan 29, 2018 • 1:58:06pm

re: #117 Citizen K

T
“Better messaging”, “unified messaging” seems to be as much spitting in the wind when it can all just be ignored away, and replaced with caricatures of your “Message” by those who control the fucking megaphones.

i know i keep tooting my own horn. not for the specific but the idea

let them try and demonize “liberty and justice for all” a better life for everyone

it’s simple and clear
and it parses well

liberty means freedom to mostly do what you want and be left alone
justice means fairness and proportional equity in all things
for all means everyone’s included - we all put in and we all get out

any spin or twisted interpretation to exclude or gain unfair advantage is downright unamerican - it’s the pledge of allegiance fer cryin out loud

you build your policies on and around that

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:01:38pm

re: #125 dangerman

i know i keep tooting my own horn. not for the specific but the idea

let them try and demonize “liberty and justice for all” a better life for everyone

it’s simple and clear
and it parses well

liberty means freedom to mostly do what you want and be left alone
justice means fairness and proportional equity in all things
for all means everyone’s included - we all put in and we all get out

any spin or twisted interpretation to exclude or gain unfair advantage is downright unamerican - it’s the pledge of allegiance fer cryin out loud

you build your policies on and around that

It won’t solve everything talked about, but it’s a start. And I know there’s a lot of atheists here, but the answer to “What about the illegals?” is “The Bible says take care of everyone in your country because you were once immigrants too.”

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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:02:37pm

re: #117 Citizen K

To expand upon…I’ve said as much since the election but our system seems heavily predicated on the idea of all sides operating in good faith. Which is idealistic, but when one side figures out they can operate in bad faith at will long as they can simply obfuscate who’s the one acting in real bad faith, then they ‘re free to operate as maliciously as possible, especially when they have everyone assuming the worst of their opponents because they’ve already been tarred and made toxic simply by sheer dint of innuendo.

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plansbandc  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:02:42pm

New page. I remember my first Mold-a-Rama toy. A Sinclair station had a machine at their grand opening fair. Got a dinosaur.

My second was a Frankenstein bank at Universal Studios. :D

Hope to see another one of those splendid machines again some day.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:05:19pm

re: #88 BeachDem

She really sucks at sarcasm. I had to look at it for awhile to tell.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:06:25pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:07:08pm

re: #124 BigPapa

Now that McCabe is out… much easier for him to talk to Mueller. His exposure to retribution is much narrower.

Dumb Trumpkins. They’re playing marbles when they need to be playing chess.

McCabe could always talk to Mueller. Now they have a shorter means of taking on Rosenstein to fire him and then put a stake in Mueller.

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:07:31pm

re: #129 Scottish Dragon

She really sucks at sarcasm. I had to look at it for awhile to tell.

Yeah—her fanboi Yashar is defending her honor—but it’s all a little bit too precious and “It was just a joke” for me. (She does suck at sarcasm, but she’s “magsplained” similar shit in a non-sarcastic way, so I’m not giving her the benefit of the doubt.)

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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:08:57pm

re: #79 scottslemmons

If this whole thing ends with only Trump out of office, we’ve failed utterly. Every Republican serving in Congress needs to go to prison. Every Republican-leaning pundit who’s made excuses and lies for this needs to go to prison. A decent number of state-level Republican politicians should go to prison, too.

That is extreme and not really helpful.

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:09:07pm

re: #76 Barefoot Grin

Working from home today I’ve flipped the TV on a few times. MSNBC has had on Gaetz and Jim Jordan today. Don’t know about CNN. I know I need to buck up, but I can’t help feel a little doomed when even MSNBC are giving these chowderheads airtime to spread lies about the memo. And tomorrow Trump will be presidential for reading a script. It just feels bleak. Sorry. Back to work.

I think the early and mid-day MSNBC shows try to be “news” presenters so they have Republicans on spewing their crap. It is from 4:00 on that is starts to change a bit more on looking into what was and is being said and then they break it down. By the time Chris Hayes and Rachel come on it is tougher on the current news and politics.

I no longer watch Chuck on MTP Daily. I wait and start watching with Ari Melber’s The Beat.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:09:11pm

re: #132 BeachDem

Yeah—her fanboi Yashar is defending her honor—but it’s all a little bit too precious and “It was just a joke” for me. (She does suck at sarcasm, but she’s “magsplained” similar shit in a non-sarcastic way, so I’m not giving her the benefit of the doubt.)

Perhaps her sarcasm would be easier to spot if it didn’t sound so much like her sincerity.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:09:53pm

re: #135 Decatur Deb

Perhaps her sarcasm would be easier to spot if it didn’t sound so much like her sincerity.

This.

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:10:29pm

re: #79 scottslemmons

If this whole thing ends with only Trump out of office, we’ve failed utterly. Every Republican serving in Congress needs to go to prison. Every Republican-leaning pundit who’s made excuses and lies for this needs to go to prison. A decent number of state-level Republican politicians should go to prison, too.

That’s going to take a lot of doing…probably too much to ask for. It is going to take the American people to get pissed off and do that at the voting booth.

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:10:40pm

re: #131 Scottish Dragon

McCabe could always talk to Mueller. Now they have a shorter means of taking on Rosenstein to fire him and then put a stake in Mueller.

McCabe and Mr. Mueller—

Somebody should “update” this poster while I sing:

Oh the sisters of mercy, they are not departed or gone…

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:11:24pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:13:05pm

re: #138 BeachDem

McCabe and Mr. Mueller—

Somebody should “update” this poster while I sing:

Oh the sisters of mercy, they are not departed or gone…

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I remember hearing Julie Christie was a pain in the ass to work with.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:16:21pm

Jumping in and right back out because my wife says we need to go to town.

re: #126 Belafon

It won’t solve everything talked about, but it’s a start. And I know there’s a lot of atheists here, but the answer to “What about the illegals?” is “The Bible says take care of everyone in your country because you were once immigrants too.”

Since I run an atheist discussion forum, I’ve already heard the wingnut and libertarian rejoinder to that for years.

But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

(Leviticus 19:34, a similar passage appears in Deuteronomy)

The Israelites weren’t illegal immigrants!!!!uno!!111!!

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:16:44pm

re: #138 BeachDem

McCabe and Mr. Mueller—

Somebody should “update” this poster while I sing:

Oh the sisters of mercy, they are not departed or gone…

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The Stranger Song, actually, though I can never remember all the words.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:17:12pm

re: #140 Scottish Dragon

I remember hearing Julie Christie was a pain in the ass to work with.

Never mind, I was thinking of Britt Eklund. Sorry.

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:23:29pm

Question for those here that are disappointed with MSNBC.

What else is there?

What would the media be like if we didn’t have them?

No Rachel, Ari, Chris and Lawrence.

You think it is bad now…it could be a lot worse.

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:23:58pm

re: #142 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

The Stranger Song, actually, though I can never remember all the words.

Too close to the snake story the yam always told on the stump:

I told you when I came I was a stranger.

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ipsos  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:24:26pm

re: #128 plansbandc

New page. I remember my first Mold-a-Rama toy. A Sinclair station had a machine their grand opening fair. Got a dinosaur.

My second was a Frankenstein bank at Universal Studios. :D

Hope to see another one of those splendid machines again some day.

littlegreenfootballs.com

One of my favorite things at one of my favorite museums, the Henry Ford. They have a dozen of the machines there. Such fun!

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plansbandc  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:26:08pm

re: #146 ipsos

I MUST go there some day.

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sagehen  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:26:58pm

re: #137 ObserverArt

That’s going to take a lot of doing…probably too much to ask for. It is going to take the American people to get pissed off and do that at the voting booth.

Assuming we have free and fair elections, with an honest count.

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JordanRules  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:27:21pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:27:48pm

A couple of idiots in my lunchroom are talking about tax cuts bringing in more revenue, saying it’s a fact, and spending cuts being the only way to cut the deficit.
One said the wall is foolish, and we need to spend on infrastructure, the other said he likes the wall. He’s stupid, and used to be our head of IT.

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allegro  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:28:16pm

Feeling very adult right now. Did my Medicare supplement homework (to start March 1) and I’m all set to go with medi-gap Part G insurance. The peace of mind alone is worth the reasonable premium cost. Think I made a very wise and excellent decision. Cool when that happens. :)

Back to your regularly scheduled discussion of today’s Trump horrors.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:28:20pm

re: #133 Big Beautiful Door

That is extreme and not really helpful.

Maybe it is somewhat extreme — but the Republican party is infested with traitors who care nothing about their oath of office. Either they are Trump toadies or else direct Putin puppets. If they are not purged, they will do this again — swear their allegiance to an autocrat and doom our democracy, if it is not already doomed, which it may very well be.

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:28:31pm

re: #79 scottslemmons

If this whole thing ends with only Trump out of office, we’ve failed utterly. Every Republican serving in Congress needs to go to prison. Every Republican-leaning pundit who’s made excuses and lies for this needs to go to prison. A decent number of state-level Republican politicians should go to prison, too.

That’s what I have been saying, too. There needs to be prison time. There has to be a detriment for future bad players telling them they will lose everything including their freedom. No excuses. Nothing short of that.

They let Nixon go and the GOP did nothing but get worse. There must be consequences.

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:29:31pm

re: #148 sagehen

Assuming we have free and fair elections, with an honest count.

Yes. What else is there outside of people taking to the streets with guns and trying to overthrow the government?

Got any other ideas?

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JordanRules  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:32:05pm
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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:32:14pm

re: #144 ObserverArt

Question for those here that are disappointed with MSNBC.

What else is there?

What would the media be like if we didn’t have them?

No Rachel, Ari, Chris and Lawrence.

You think it is bad now…it could be a lot worse.

I think that’s exactly what’s frustrating for many ofl us: they were the real alternative to Fox and CNN, and were doing well enough so before, but the ownership has decided to lurch evermoreso rightward in a way that mirrors the Iraq War atmosphere way too much, not to mention the NYT’s quick descent into open Trump apoligism.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:34:36pm

re: #155 JordanRules

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The more realistic answer is “May has no future without Brexit, but Britain has no future with it.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:36:07pm
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A Mom Anon  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:37:29pm

I re: #158 The Vicious Babushka

OFFS. What the hell?

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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:40:10pm

re: #158 The Vicious Babushka

I expect the SOTU to have something about cutting off ‘dead weight’ or something. I honestly wonder if Trump just wants the island to die off and/or expel it from the list of US territories or something, because fuck.

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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:40:52pm

Sigh…

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dangerman  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:42:04pm

re: #126 Belafon

It won’t solve everything talked about, but it’s a start. And I know there’s a lot of atheists here, but the answer to “What about the illegals?” is “The Bible says take care of everyone in your country because you were once immigrants too.”

what about the illegals?
arent they people?
dont they deserve justice and equity depending on who they are how they got here and what their individual circumstances are?
does all mean all or only some?

and that’s the point - it’s a three tiered approach

the motto / the message of the party is clean and simple and all encompassing- that’s what the dem leadership should be shouting every single day. we are for freedom and equal treatment for everybody

when the discussion goes to the next level, the explanations are also simple
liberty means..
justice means…
for all means…

*then* you get into specifics…where it’s ok to have disagreements on *how* but not the fundamentals -

sometimes the government is the solution sometimes it isnt
everyone is treated proportionally and equitably
and everyone means *everyone*

otherwise someone really didnt accept “liberty and justice for all” in the first place

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:42:15pm

re: #89 jaunte

After all, McCabe was serving out country in the FBI when Jr was still wetting the bed in college.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:43:15pm

re: #158 The Vicious Babushka

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And yet you can bet that Donny will stand up there tomorrow and insist the response to PR was “excellent” and take credit for the island being back to “normal.”

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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:45:16pm

re: #162 dangerman

what about the illegals?
arent they people?
dont they deserve justice and equity depending on who they are how they got here and what their individual circumstances are?
does all mean all or only some?

and that’s the point - it’s a three tiered approach

the motto / the message of the party is clean and simple and all encompassing- that’s what the dem leadership should be shouting every single day. we are for freedom and equal treatment for everybody

when the discussion goes to the next level, the explanations are also simple
liberty means..
justice means…
for all means…

*then* you get into specifics…where it’s ok to have disagreements on *how* but not the fundamentals -

sometimes the government is the solution sometimes it isnt
everyone is treated proportionally and equitably
and everyone means *everyone*

otherwise someone really didnt accept “liberty and justice for all” in the first place

The problem here with the bolded is that a disturbingly large segment of the country has answered these question, and the answers are as follows: 1) Fuck em. 2) No. 3) Hell no. 4) They’re not people so they don’t count among ‘all’.

I’m not sure trying to promote ‘Liberty and Justice for All’ will help when half the country already describes liberty as ‘the freedom to shitkick the others for not being real people’ and Justice as ‘being able to see those darkies go to jail for being darkies’

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allegro  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:45:42pm

re: #164 Targetpractice

And yet you can bet that Donny will stand up there tomorrow and insist the response to PR was “excellent” and take credit for the island being back to “normal.”

That’s when voices should be ringing out “LIAR!”

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:47:37pm

re: #156 Citizen K

I think that’s exactly what’s frustrating for many ofl us: they were the real alternative to Fox and CNN, and were doing well enough so before, but the ownership has decided to lurch evermoreso rightward in a way that mirrors the Iraq War atmosphere way too much, not to mention the NYT’s quick descent into open Trump apoligism.

No, a few years back MSNBC was not doing all that well. Trump being elected seems to have helped them. Greta quit the network due to low numbers and was replaced by Ari Melber. That is something, and in a way that says they know their market.

I don’t like some aspects of it either. All I am doing is saying it is all we have. If we bitch and don’t watch, it will no longer be what it is. That is how TV works these days. It is all ratings and numbers or die.

If you look at even Fox News numbers and consider the total TV population…TV cable news doesn’t draw that big a group of viewers. People have too many things to watch.

I think it is obvious our country’s real problems lie in the fact too many don’t pay enough attention to politics. The only time they do is election time or some big thing like 9/11, etc. If they only watch during elections I think they are susceptible to being manipulated because they don’t have the depth of knowledge to question what they are being told.

We are not in ideal times. We have to fight to get to that point. If their shows that we like get real numbers then maybe they change more to the left and stop trying to be middle left.

Contact them and tell them what you like or don’t like. I do.

I always think that we are still a country that has representative government. If shit is fucked up it is because our citizenry is fucked up.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:49:08pm
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dangerman  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:49:32pm

re: #158 The Vicious Babushka

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FEMA:
we’ve done enough, we’re out
not our problem if the job isnt done.

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dangerman  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:50:15pm

re: #161 Citizen K

Sigh…

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right here in one nutshell tweet

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jaunte  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:51:25pm
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scottslemmons  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:53:16pm

re: #171 jaunte

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And most of the press will probably celebrate. I think there’s a big chunk of them that’ve dreamed of getting to be Lord Haw Haws.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:54:33pm

This is fucking absurd and what’s frightening is how conditioned we’ve so quickly become to being lied to so blatantly.

Reporter: So should he go?

TRUMP: Do you remember, did anybody hear many of my speeches where I talked about McCabe? He was the star of my speeches. This isn’t now, and I said a man who was more or less in charge of her—the wife got $500,000 from Terry. Now Terry is Hillary, and I mean—

Reporter: Do you regret having him as your acting FBI Director then?

TRUMP: You know what, I keep out of it, you’d find that hard to believe, that’s the way it fell, he’s been there, it’s been one of those things, but he was the star of many of my speeches, because he got from five to $700,000, whatever the number was, got that many for the wife, and you know in Virginia, in Virginia —-

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:56:31pm

re: #171 jaunte

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Sad but true.

2018 elections are more important than ever now.

I know one thing I am going to be doing is writing as many Democrats and Democratic organizations I can and tell them they need to toughen up big time. A pure political war is warranted now.

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dangerman  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:58:50pm

re: #165 Citizen K

I’m not sure trying to promote ‘Liberty and Justice for All’ will help when half the country already describes liberty as ‘the freedom to shitkick the others for not being real people’ and Justice as ‘being able to see those darkies go to jail for being darkies’

im not disagreeing
i think though this is a slightly different problem

i started talking about a clear and concise and sort of unifying democratic message. one we can mostly all agree to and still call ourselves dems, the left or whatever. because the dems seem to be about a lot of different things at all once and most issues dont resonate well as soundbytes

that message is not aimed at the group you quite rightly identified. they come later.

first we have to be stronger and more unified

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2018 • 2:59:46pm

re: #171 jaunte

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From the article:

On the right, in fact, they’re already crowing that McCabe left because of the possibility that someone will #ReleaseTheMemo. This, too, is idiotic because there’s one person in the country who could #ReleaseTheMemo with no unfortunate consequences, and that’s the President* of the United States. He can declassify anything. I suspect he has not yet decided to #ReleaseTheMemo because to #ReleaseTheMemo would be to demonstrate that The Memo represents Devin Nunes’s desperate attempt to get a raise for cleaning the White House pool.

The whole thing is totally depressing, but I’m sure the pundits will parse every conspiracy theory in their bothsidesnow revival.

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jaunte  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:02:34pm
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dangerman  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:02:46pm

re: #176 BeachDem

From the article:

On the right, in fact, they’re already crowing that McCabe left because of the possibility that someone will #ReleaseTheMemo. This, too, is idiotic because there’s one person in the country who could #ReleaseTheMemo with no unfortunate consequences, and that’s the President* of the United States. He can declassify anything. I suspect he has not yet decided to #ReleaseTheMemo because to #ReleaseTheMemo would be to demonstrate that The Memo represents Devin Nunes’s desperate attempt to get a raise for cleaning the White House pool.

The whole thing is totally depressing, but I’m sure the pundits will parse every conspiracy theory in their bothsidesnow revival.

or he is just clueless, has no idea he has the ability to do that

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:03:21pm

re: #171 jaunte

Depressing.

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dangerman  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:03:28pm

off to broil some salmon and roast some cauliflower

hold the fort

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:04:48pm

re: #179 Stanley Sea

Depressing.

I’m still hoping Mueller has a contingency plan ready to go if he gets fired.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:06:03pm

re: #171 jaunte

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And the Congressional GOP who’ve spent the better part of a year insisting that there’s no real danger of Mueller being fired…are teed up to argue that he needs to go and the investigation needs to end so we can begin investigating the FBI for their failure to indict Hillary in the middle of the 2016 campaign season.

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:06:11pm

Just what ABC needs:

Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie was hired as a contributor to ABC News, nj.com reports.

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jaunte  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:08:38pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:10:35pm

re: #157 Targetpractice

The more realistic answer is “May has no future without Brexit, but Britain has no future with it.”

Britain has a future with Brexit, just a poorer one.

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thecommodore  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:14:28pm

re: #149 JordanRules

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That could easily fit Hugh Hewitt.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:16:30pm

re: #164 Targetpractice

And yet you can bet that Donny will stand up there tomorrow and insist the response to PR was “excellent” and take credit for the island being back to “normal.”

Wel
His handlers did take him to a relatively uneffected, affluent neighborhood. So he thinks that situation hold true for the rest of the island.

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:16:41pm

re: #183 BeachDem

Just what ABC needs:

Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie was hired as a contributor to ABC News, nj.com reports.

See…MSNBC didn’t hire him.

That’s something, right?

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austin_blue  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:20:46pm

re: #188 ObserverArt

See…MSNBC didn’t hire him.

That’s something, right?

Something, yes.

But, still…

Having the second biggest ego in the country bloviating on ABC…

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VegasGolfer  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:20:49pm

Like this dumb woman didnt know her husband was always a piece of shit.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:22:00pm

re: #190 VegasGolfer

I wonder what she was running from that was so horrible that she’d run willingly into that mess.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:22:11pm

re: #177 jaunte

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Holy. Shit.

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:24:16pm

Interesting Adam Schiff is holding a news conference saying it appears the memo is now not going to be released. Yet. Sounds like he is really bummed about all of this. And the majority in the house is going to open an investigation into the FBI and the Department of Justice. He seems to be saying this is nothing but a show to get to where they are getting too. McCabe gone. The FBI and Justice under question, and all designed to cloud the investigation.

What a fucking mess.

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:25:19pm

re: #191 A Mom Anon

I wonder what she was running from that was so horrible that she’d run willingly into that mess.

Some shithole somewhere.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:25:29pm

re: #193 ObserverArt

The headline says “GOP VOTES TO RELEASE RUSSIA MEMO.”

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:26:08pm

McCabe stepped down rather than being demoted

NYT saying he stepped down rather than being demoted, but he also felt pressured.

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austin_blue  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:26:24pm

re: #190 VegasGolfer

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Like this dumb woman didnt know her husband was always a piece of shit.

If I did something like that, She Who Must Be Obeyed would Bobbittize me and I’d wake up with my dick Super Glue™d to my forehead.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:27:14pm

harre: #184 jaunte

He’s blowing everything up, saying whatta ya gonna do about it?

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:28:14pm

re: #193 ObserverArt

The committee voted to not allow dems to release their counter memo. But I am now reading that they did vote to release Nunes’ bullshit memo.

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:28:56pm

re: #195 Ace Rothstein

The headline says “GOP VOTES TO RELEASE RUSSIA MEMO.”

Yeah, I see that. Sounds like there is some kind of a hold for 5 days. Not sure what is going on.

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austin_blue  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:29:38pm

re: #193 ObserverArt

Interesting Adam Schiff is holding a news conference saying it appears the memo is now not going to be released. Yet. Sounds like he is really bummed about all of this. And the majority in the house is going to open an investigation into the FBI and the Department of Justice. He seems to be saying this is nothing but a show to get to where they are getting too. McCabe gone. The FBI and Justice under question, and all designed to cloud the investigation.

What a fucking mess.

Hmmm…almost like a show trial, isn’t it? Where do we normally see those? Makes one wonder…

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:29:48pm

re: #200 ObserverArt

Yeah, I see that. Sounds like there is some kind of a hold for 5 days. Not sure what is going on.

more here

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:32:31pm

re: #202 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

more here

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Mike Lamb  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:33:03pm

re: #196 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

McCabe stepped down rather than being demoted

NYT saying he stepped down rather than being demoted, but he also felt pressured.

The possibility of demotion is, by definition, “pressure”.

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Dizzy  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:34:36pm

Trump refuses to impose sanctions on Russia:

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:34:57pm

re: #190 VegasGolfer

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Like this dumb woman didnt know her husband was always a piece of shit.

What’s she furious about? She’s wife #3, the trophy wife that he bought to replace the older model he bought to replace an even older one. She really believed that he was going to remain faithful solely to her?

Or is she just furious that it was made public?

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:38:01pm

re: #205 Dizzy

Trump refuses to impose sanctions on Russia:

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And the Congressional Republicans will…make some noises about disagreeing with thus, but make no moves to override Trump or take him to court over refusal to faithfully execute the law.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:38:45pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:40:19pm

re: #205 Dizzy

Trump refuses to impose sanctions on Russia:

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ckkatz  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:40:35pm

re: #97 Kragar

Looks like the Turks are threatening the Damascus-Aleppo Highway with a brigade sized task force.

The reports I have seen on twitter, so far, are that it is currently more noise than fury. I would guess that the Turks are more interested in making a point rather than a full scale battle. “Nice city there, Shame if something should happen to it.”

The Mideast is a real shark tank. The Assad regime is too weak to defend itself, so the Turks, Iranians and a boatload of others (including us and the Russians) are jumping in to see what they can get.

Edit to clarify -

The Turks are manuevering around the western edge of Aleppo. Occupying Idlib would cut off one major highway. The other villages mentioned (Al-Eis and Al-Hadher/Hader) would mean that the Turks moved across the Damascus-Aleppo Highway and occupied Syrian and Iranian strongpoints. Which would cut off Aleppo.

There was shooting reported from the Iranian strongpoint in Al-Hadher. But apparently it was from the Iranians celebrating that the Turks had moved back and not attacked the Iranians.

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austin_blue  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:42:10pm

re: #206 Targetpractice

What’s she furious about? She’s wife #3, the trophy wife that he bought to replace the older model he bought to replace an even older one. She really believed that he was going to remain faithful solely to her?

Or is she just furious that it was made public?

Yes, she probably did, and yes, I’m sure that’s exactly what he promised her, that he would be a faithful husband because he was the Best Husband any woman could have and he would never ever ever subject her to public ridicule.

You live and learn, or you don’t live long, Melania.

The question is, what’s she going to do about it? Remember, this is the man who divorced wife #2 just before the pre-nup expired.

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:42:42pm

So, I’m sure that McCarthy and Graham are going to now advance the bills in Congress to protect Mueller’s investigation. Right?

They just were so sure this weekend that nothing was indicating they needed it.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:42:55pm

re: #190 VegasGolfer

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Like this dumb woman didnt know her husband was always a piece of shit.

Is Melania going to the SOTU?

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:43:10pm
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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:43:52pm

re: #213 bill d. (b.d.)

Is Melania going to the SOTU?

yep.

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:45:07pm

re: #190 VegasGolfer

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Like this dumb woman didnt know her husband was always a piece of shit.

The most revealing line in that story (which translates to “poor, poor Melon”) is that the first lady’s short trip aboard a C-32A plane cost taxpayers around $64,600, according to figures kept by the Department of Defense.

But hey—she had to go to Florida to go to a fucking spa.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:47:28pm

re: #216 BeachDem

The most revealing line in that story (which translates to “poor, poor Melon”) is that the first lady’s short trip aboard a C-32A plane cost taxpayers around $64,600, according to figures kept by the Department of Defense.

But hey—she had to go to Florida to go to a fucking spa.

BUT MOOCHELLE’S TRIP COST $12,000,000,000.00

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JordanRules  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:48:12pm

A lot of really bad shit is going down today.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:48:45pm

re: #214 Stanley Sea

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And thus begins the purge of those found disloyal to Dear Leader.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:56:54pm

The thread’s dead, Jim.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:57:25pm

re: #214 Stanley Sea

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JFC.

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scottslemmons  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:58:51pm

re: #214 Stanley Sea

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Ya know, at some point, the House Intelligence Committee Republicans are going to open an investigation into why Jay-Z doesn’t say nicer things about Trump.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 29, 2018 • 3:58:57pm

Larkin Poe | Preachin’ Blues (Official music video)
I’ve been in a YouTube hole for a couple of days now. There’s always something else good listed on the right of whatever I’m watching.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:00:17pm

London braced for the ‘biggest protest in UK history’ against Donald Trump visit, as celebrities and politicians throw support behind demo

This isn’t till October and the planning is already underway. Doesn’t look like they’ll need reinforcements, but maybe we can get together a tour group anyway. Is “protest tourism” a thing yet? It will be by the time Trump is through.

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:02:39pm

What you have is really one of two conclusion: The GOP either feel so safe that they feel that can take deliberate actions to facilitate Trump ending Mueller’s investigation without serious fear of public backlash.

OR they’re so scared about the possible outcome of Mueller’s final report that they’re taking actions that will cause immediate anger and outrage with the hope that, by the time we reach the midterms, the public response will be muted and they won’t suffer as badly as they would if Mueller is allowed to conclude his investigation unimpeded.

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BigPapa  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:02:41pm

re: #218 JordanRules

A lot of really bad shit is going down today.

I’m trying to get my head around Trump not doing anything about sanctions that were voted into law, that he signed. That he’s not going to enforce, because, well, it was voted for and it’s doing it’s job so they don’t need to actually enforce it. Because it’s working.

After obstructing justice by forcing a top level FBI guy out in a campaign against him.

This is bonkers.

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BeachDem  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:04:25pm

re: #224 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

London braced for the ‘biggest protest in UK history’ against Donald Trump visit, as celebrities and politicians throw support behind demo

This isn’t till October and the planning is already underway. Doesn’t look like they’ll need reinforcements, but maybe we can get together a tour group anyway. Is “protest tourism” a thing yet? It will be by the time Trump is through.

If it isn’t, it should be. Damn—just remembered I need to renew my passport.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:05:16pm

Bright side to an otherwise dreary & pain filled day.

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freetoken  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:10:58pm

re: #225 Targetpractice

Remember, the Congressional Republicans have achieved their primary goal: putting millions of dollars into their own pockets and billions of dollars into the pockets of their sponsors.

So, it sort of doesn’t matter now. Even if they are deposed from power in the House in 2018, the Dems will not control the WH so the tax changes will remain in law.

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ckkatz  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:11:05pm

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

Yum!

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scottslemmons  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:12:04pm

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

Bright side to an otherwise dreary & pain filled day.

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(goes to car)
(fills trunk with burglary tools)
(drives to VB’s house)
(breaks into house)
(steals cinnamon bread)
(drives back home)

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:12:06pm

re: #196 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

McCabe stepped down rather than being demoted

NYT saying he stepped down rather than being demoted, but he also felt pressured.

That would affect his pension, I believe. I think your pension goes by your last ranking (like G15).

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austin_blue  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:13:27pm

re: #227 BeachDem

If it isn’t, it should be. Damn—just remembered I need to renew my passport.

New Passports are chipped. Don’t forget to get one of these:

amazon.com

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Interesting Times  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:13:39pm

re: #226 BigPapa

This is bonkers.

On that note, everyone read this thread:

Again, I strongly recommend reading the whole thing, but to sum up, Eichenwald believes Nunes is beyond desperate to hide something and it might even go beyond just trump.

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Cheechako  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:14:41pm

re: #232 MsJ

That would affect his pension, I believe. I think your pension goes by your last ranking (like G15).

No, Fed pensions are based on the highest 3 (maybe now 5) years salary.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:17:22pm

re: #231 scottslemmons

(goes to car)
(fills trunk with burglary tools)
(drives to VB’s house)
(breaks into house)
(steals cinnamon bread)
(drives back home)

You wouldn’t have to break in, you could just knock on the door and ask.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:19:40pm

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

Bright side to an otherwise dreary & pain filled day.

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Damn VB, i swear your stuff just gets prettier and prettier as time goes by.

( i would wager it tastes better too but ……sigh……)

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:19:41pm

So, it appears the Nunes memo is relying on folks thinking FISA requirements were hinky with regards to surveillance of one Carter Page.

This is clearly a different slant than previous attempts to cloud Mueller’s investigations.

The hope seems to be if they can find one little thing that is not right about why the FBI wanted to follow Carter they can say the whole investigation is corrupt.

Fucking Carter Page. The indescribable gadfly that is more question than answer for what he amounts to politically.

WTF???

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:20:20pm

re: #234 Interesting Times

On that note, everyone read this thread:

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Again, I strongly recommend reading the whole thing, but to sum up, Eichenwald believes Nunes is beyond desperate to hide something and it might even go beyond just trump.

The whole GOP could be implicated. Their actions pretty much prove they’re involved.

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Nyet  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:25:01pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:25:14pm
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Eventual Carrion  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:25:39pm

re: #88 BeachDem

Not wanting to be distracted from her 20+ tweets about Hillary, Maggie “magsplains” it away with:

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It’s how pompous shitbags talk.

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JordanRules  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:28:55pm
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Cheechako  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:29:41pm

Also remember the most famous quote from Watergate….”FOLLOW THE MONEY!!”.

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Sea Mexican!  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:30:12pm

re: #234 Interesting Times

On that note, everyone read this thread:

Again, I strongly recommend reading the whole thing, but to sum up, Eichenwald believes Nunes is beyond desperate to hide something and it might even go beyond just trump.

I’m reading it right now.

It sure marks the beginning of the end. I’m not sure if it’s the Trump presidency or USA democracy …

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:31:12pm

re: #245 Sea Mexican!

Maybe both.

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:32:04pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:34:19pm

re: #247 Ace-o-aces

WHAT THE FUCK DOES THIS EVEN MEAN?

For a guess, it means that she has written off the West Virginia diner denizens and the rest of the deplorables.

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Sea Mexican!  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:35:46pm

re: #247 Ace-o-aces

He’s high on something, and it’s not even the mediocre stuff.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:36:02pm

Gee CNN. Slip of the tongue with “parti-SANE”?!

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nines09  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:36:11pm

So. Have a few minutes? Like to fill out surveys? Here’s a fun one.

1EojxBf375CqPLJJDNFuVQr9maYKVQZF/oDuTKO8baWyvbZArHmL6mPEhnLqHNlGzKLlQzJXO2tRdOx75sBNnxCR0gTw3BYBy2kaSV0M3UuFF2zwMcsAquwURp3pylpXhcdMr+VZLEalO41BVNhDni4F80cAxB2+ctEbQ/XS/B/Kv0cPZTlj9Jc8RdT+ycHuqyYcWGDHSlgSBCpEG7BDnHOfsHP2FNrG7UxPY33xN2tInFgSdhE6SS+pAREfESWrVJEAmyvgQHM2im1PSeVh8mSL7zwpeH8tJkpviFUZHreScqBry6wy00vi4yvNMbqbPoz5DXgkNZABodxNv1oOfoqbTC/bMcCG1Gj8vt5akyOGj2xBx5jTJrMJm/ORmhOckG4SRyGVkc6S6wQPi2twruA4HfunaVdToHFNIeJ2wLAt0sK+gkzRRs1+yeriAspDhwu++dlKA79xRBQDj410iVEeef7rq24lkNRpQY66rz2GoCJ1brpkZSL1tlkE/lXrs1zjPE4NYlPlCW5ElEc2PQ==

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:40:42pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

If PETA did do that, I wouldn’t have a shit fit on Twitter but there’s a difference between a racist logo and an animal logo. This guy isn’t as clever as he thinks he is.

I think PETA has animals on some of its logo’s for different causes.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:42:47pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:45:09pm

re: #247 Ace-o-aces

What does it mean? It means that Trump voters thought that we thought they were stupid, so they decided to show us by proving that they really ARE stupid.

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BigPapa  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:46:21pm

I have no doubt senior GOP, especially Nunes, have kompromat on them. The likelihood that the GOP was also hacked yet nothing was released even, modestly embarrassing, begs incredulity that Putin doesn’t have something on the GOP.

Remember that nothing in the Wikileaks emails from the DNC were worth a shit. They sure tried though.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:47:02pm

re: #119 BigPapa

And Trump’s regime just announced that it will not place any more sanctions on Russia. Putin’s Puppet is doing quite well — for Russia, that is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:47:10pm

re: #250 GlutenFreeJesus

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Gee CNN. Slip of the tongue with “parti-SANE”?!

Part is sane. Part is insane.

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Sea Mexican!  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:47:59pm

re: #234 Interesting Times

On that note, everyone read this thread:

Again, I strongly recommend reading the whole thing, but to sum up, Eichenwald believes Nunes is beyond desperate to hide something and it might even go beyond just trump.

The key player to pressure is Ryan. He can remove Nunes from the IC committee. Either Ryan is in cahoots with Nunes, someone has something on him, or he’s a cynical enabler.

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austin_blue  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:48:31pm

re: #245 Sea Mexican!

I’m reading it right now.

It sure marks the beginning of the end. I’m not sure if it’s the Trump presidency or USA democracy …

May be just the end of the beginning. One thing for sure, the R’s are dreading the mid-terms this year.

The Dem polity is woke and mad as hell.

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scottslemmons  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:49:31pm

re: #236 The Vicious Babushka

You wouldn’t have to break in, you could just knock on the door and ask.

But I’ve already filled the trunk with burglary tools!

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austin_blue  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:50:23pm

re: #250 GlutenFreeJesus

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Gee CNN. Slip of the tongue with “parti-SANE”?!

Missed the L just before the i in the first word.

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Sea Mexican!  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:50:35pm

re: #259 austin_blue

May be just the end of the beginning. One thing for sure, the R’s are dreading the mid-terms this year.

The Dem polity is woke and mad as hell.

Which makes them even more dangerous. They’ll pull every dirty trick in the book, and write a sequel to the book with all they’ll try to pull off.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:50:59pm

re: #259 austin_blue

May be just the end of the beginning. One thing for sure, the R’s are dreading the mid-terms this year.

The Dem polity is woke and mad as hell.

Woke as fuck.

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garzooma  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:55:27pm

re: #256 Patricia Kayden

And Trump’s regime just announced that it will not place any more sanctions on Russia. Putin’s Puppet is doing quite well — for Russia, that is.

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dangerman  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:56:35pm

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

Bright side to an otherwise dreary & pain filled day.

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Down south they pronounce it “braid”

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Scout  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:57:18pm

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dangerman  Jan 29, 2018 • 4:58:34pm

re: #236 The Vicious Babushka

You wouldn’t have to break in, you could just knock on the door and ask.

Justice for all

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:00:41pm
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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:00:56pm

re: #265 dangerman

Down south they pronounce it “braid”

My brother’s name is Brad. My southern relatives call him Bread.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:02:25pm

Thanks Sergy

An update on your report
Thanks again for letting us know. Our investigation found this account in violation of the Twitter Rules:


Ignazio
@IVS_SANGVINIS
Violating our rules against abusive profile information.
We appreciate your help in improving everyone’s experience on Twitter. You can learn more about reporting abusive behavior

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JordanRules  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:03:56pm

Lordt.

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dangerman  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:07:21pm

re: #269 Stanley Sea

My brother’s name is Brad. My southern relatives call him Bread.

I didn’t go into the whole two syllables thing:
Bray-ud
Hay-ud
Etc

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MsJ  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:09:28pm

re: #270 Stanley Sea

Thanks Sergy

An update on your report
Thanks again for letting us know. Our investigation found this account in violation of the Twitter Rules:

Ignazio
@IVS_SANGVINIS
Violating our rules against abusive profile information.
We appreciate your help in improving everyone’s experience on Twitter. You can learn more about reporting abusive behavior

This time they actually did something. I got the update and now when I get them I look to see what Twitter did. Usually the people are still there. It’s maddening.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:10:23pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:15:32pm

re: #206 Targetpractice

What’s she furious about? She’s wife #3, the trophy wife that he bought to replace the older model he bought to replace an even older one. She really believed that he was going to remain faithful solely to her?

Or is she just furious that it was made public?

Yes.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:16:35pm

re: #274 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

fredrogers.org

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teleskiguy  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:18:27pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:19:14pm

re: #272 dangerman

I didn’t go into the whole two syllables thing:
Bray-ud
Hay-ud
Etc

In Texas only politicians really talk that way. They affect an exaggerated drawl as a kind of even plainer folks variation of plain folks propaganda, possibly because their privileged circumstances isolate them so much from actual plain folk. Remember Phil Gramm? He’s spent a lifetime representing himself as a simple barefoot corporate economist.
Some years ago a wealthy Lubbock attorney decided to launch a campaign for Congress. He lost but not before he ran a bunch of commercials showing him riding the range in a cowboy getup and speaking in a classic countrified politician’s drawl. He was actually an immigrant from the UK and spoke with a nearly Oxonian accent in private.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:22:52pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:24:52pm

re: #190 VegasGolfer

“‘Oh, shut up, silly woman,’ said the reptile with a grin. ‘You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in.’”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:25:40pm

re: #278 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Some years back a dude came into my store and asked for Choco-Flood.

Took us about 15 minutes to realize he meant “Charcoal fluid”.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:26:30pm

A prediction (and warning): If life-long Texan Alex Jones suddenly starts speaking in a hackneyed drawl you will know he is about to run for office.

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:26:41pm

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:28:20pm

re: #281 Eclectic Cyborg

Some years back a dude came into my store and asked for Choco-Flood.

Took us about 15 minutes to realize he meant “Charcoal fluid”.

What a rube. Everyone knows it’s “charkle flude.”

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Charles Johnson  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:28:58pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:29:22pm

re: #272 dangerman

I didn’t go into the whole two syllables thing:
Bray-ud
Hay-ud
Etc

My female relatives called me “shugah.” My male relatives called me “bo-uh.”

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:30:19pm

re: #281 Eclectic Cyborg

That is almost as bad as what happened to me when I was working at John Wanamaker’s quite a few years ago. A Japanese businessman walked up to me and asked for a “reeting yard” After a couple times I finally gave him a pad of paper and a pen. He wrote on it “greeting card.” I showed him where he could get his Hallmarks.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:32:12pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:34:49pm

re: #287 PhillyPretzel

That is almost as bad as what happened to me when I was working at John Wanamaker’s quite a few years ago. A Japanese businessman walked up to me and asked for a “reeting yard” After a couple times I finally gave him a pad of paper and a pen. He wrote on it “greeting card.” I showed him where he could get his Hallmarks.

About 15 years ago I received a phone message about a job interview from an Indian-accented woman who gave her name as “Vagina.” I called the number back and, cringing, asked to speak to “Vagina.” She said “this is Vagina.” I asked how does she spell her name. She said V-I-J-A-Y-A.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:34:59pm

re: #283 Ace-o-aces

Don’t see that often: Woman pretending to be a man in internet sting.

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:35:46pm

I haven’t seen this posted, but even if so worth a repeat.

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ipsos  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:38:02pm

re: #291 Stanley Sea

I haven’t seen this posted, but even if so worth a repeat.

[Embedded content]

“Everybody involved apologized to each other and shared a bag of poutine-flavoured Doritos while watching a curling match.”

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teleskiguy  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:38:02pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:38:27pm

re: #288 DodgerFan1988

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Charles Johnson  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:38:51pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:39:15pm

re: #291 Stanley Sea

I haven’t seen this posted, but even if so worth a repeat.

[Embedded content]

The Benny Hill Show Theme Song (From The Show)

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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:39:59pm

Good read on wtf is going on here.

My hope is something awful/wonderful breaks tomorrow to throw the SOTU off kilter.

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plansbandc  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:41:21pm

re: #288 DodgerFan1988

Our bully ass piece of human garbage ruler, that’s who. The loathing I feel for him every goddamn day is destructive and interruptive, and absolutely horrible. I hate, with a serious passion, every day that the orange fraud holds office.

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gocart mozart  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:41:34pm
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Stanley Sea  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:46:08pm
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garzooma  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:47:33pm

Saw this on TPM comments:

gateau12h
You know you’re in it up to your earlobes when CARTER PAGE is the hill you choose to die on.

Here’s some information about said hill from Wikipedia:

In 1998, Page joined the Eurasia Group, a strategy consulting firm, but left three months later. In 2017, Eurasia Group president Ian Bremmer recalled on his Twitter feed that Page’s strong pro-Russian stance was “not a good fit” for the firm and that Page was its “most wackadoodle” alumnus.[19] Stephen Sestanovich later described Page’s foreign-policy views as having “an edgy Putinist resentment” and a sympathy to Russian leader Vladimir Putin’s criticisms of the US.[2] Over time, Page became increasingly critical of US foreign policy toward Russia, and more supportive of Putin, with a US official describing Page as “a brazen apologist for anything Moscow did”.[4] Page is frequently quoted by Russian state television, where he is presented as a “famous American economist”.[3] In 2013, Russian intelligence operatives attempted to recruit Page, and one described him as enthusiastic about business opportunities in Russia but an “idiot”.[2][20]

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Mike Lamb  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:47:48pm

re: #214 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

Hey Greenwald, you fucking hack, THIS is McCarthyism .

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Cheechako  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:49:28pm

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:51:20pm

re: #303 Cheechako

2h6W0/oadPLWTWk+2iQp9VVrK2DrOAXWGNhZthpygIwZa7CIVPSY2aKgaONKapm8

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Woods Witch  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:51:45pm

In which Bob Cesca pulls no punches…

Daily Banter

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jan 29, 2018 • 5:55:34pm

I’ve been having a lot of trouble getting 3D prints to stick to the bed using glue stick.

These look promising.

amazon.com

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unproven innocence  Jan 29, 2018 • 10:11:44pm

re: #260 scottslemmons

But I’ve already filled the trunk with burglary tools!

Cover them with a confederate flag or two, a couple local R-candidate brochures and maybe hardcopy of a book/article on what to do when you’ve locked yourself out of your own home. //


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