Seth Meyers: Did Trump Try to Obstruct the Obstruction of Justice Investigation?
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Seth takes a closer look at how Trump’s administration was rocked by reports that he tried to fire Robert Mueller.
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Easy way to look at things tonight:
Who do you believe is more likely to mislead the American people on Russia, DoJ & the FBI?— David Jolly (@DavidJollyFL) January 30, 2018
I hope, hope, hope he’s right! Thread.
Stressing out about the day’s news?
This may help.
A shortie on the doings at the FBI.
1/— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) January 30, 2018
re: #2 VegasGolfer
As replies are pointing out, it’s not all of Congress.
re: #3 retired cynic
I hope, hope, hope he’s right! Thread.
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Bowditch isn’t JUST an FBI veteran, he has the kind of pedigree Republicans would usually experience the kind of erection you have to call your urologist over.
He was a police officer. He joined the FBI and was a sniper on SWAT teams. He was on the Joint Terrorism Task Force
9/— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) January 30, 2018
Shit. Hadn’t thought of this. And I wouldn’t put it past Trump/Republicans to do this…
A couple plausible scenarios:
1. Rosenstein fired… grumbles.
2. Mueller fired… protests for a few days.
3. Back to kleptocracy as usual.
OR
2. Protests build and grow.
3. National Guard called in.
4. Emergency Suspension of Constitution invoked.
5. Mid-terms suspended.— Michael Ian Black (@michaelianblack) January 30, 2018
re: #5 Belafon
“He was a police officer. He joined the FBI and was a sniper on SWAT teams. He was on the Joint Terrorism Task Force”
In short: Balls of Tungsten Hardcore.
re: #6 GlutenFreeJesus
Shit. Hadn’t thought of this. And I wouldn’t put it past Trump/Republicans to do this…
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Trump ain’t going to call the National Guard. He’d have to be responsible for something.
And while there will be protests, there will be just as many people setting up voter registration tables.
re: #6 GlutenFreeJesus
Shit. Hadn’t thought of this. And I wouldn’t put it past Trump/Republicans to do this…
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I don’t trust Republicans at all but I think if any suspension of elections happened, there’d be hell to pay & the judges wouldn’t let it happen but the GOP is playing a sick game here.
re: #9 HappyWarrior
I don’t trust Republicans at all but I think if any suspension of elections happened, there’d be hell to pay & the judges wouldn’t let it happen but the GOP is playing a sick game here.
Part of Trump’s problem is that he can’t seem to get the Democrats or those pesky judges to just do what he wants.
What do I want to see during the #StateOfTheUnion?
I want to see Donny get handed a subpoena to appear before a Mueller as he walks to the podium— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) January 30, 2018
re: #10 Belafon
Part of Trump’s problem is that he can’t seem to get the Democrats or those pesky judges to just do what he wants.
Yep.
re: #5 Belafon
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Isn’t Wray the guy who hid Chris Christie’s cell phone from investigators? Why is he sticking it to Trump? I don’t mind if he’s doing it, but I don’t know how you go from a guy hiding evidence for a corrupt Republican to a guy putting the screws on another corrupt Republican.
re: #3 retired cynic
I hope, hope, hope he’s right! Thread.
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I’m wondering who this Hoarse guy is.
And if his tweets have been fact checked. He lays out a lot of facts, not just BS commentary.
??
re: #3 retired cynic
I hope, hope, hope he’s right! Thread.
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That was the most (and only) positive thing I’ve seen today. I needed it.
So, show of hands—who’s going to watch the (deva)state of the uniom?
Not enough money or alcohol in the world to make me do it—I think I’ll have to go on total news/internet blackout tomorrow night. I just can’t even…
re: #13 scottslemmons
i said it last time Wray testified before Congress and GOP humiliated him and FBI for hours….and Wray never ONCE forcefully defended the bureau.
not once.— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) January 30, 2018
I remain confused.
p.s. Bowditch is so perfect an appointee, I’m LOLing
Wray just took Trump’s rhetoric and shoved it down his throat by appointing someone who it would be absurd to criticize
The guy is a mini-Mueller. Wray replaced McCabe with someone even worse for Trumphttps://t.co/YpCtEn9X9E— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) January 30, 2018
re: #14 Stanley Sea
I’m wondering who this Hoarse guy is.
And if his tweets have been fact checked. He lays out a lot of facts, not just BS commentary.
??
Just curious—do we even know that Hoarse is a guy?
re: #17 Kragar
Mueller is absurd to criticize and yet…
re: #18 BeachDem
Assuming they are human.
re: #15 BeachDem
That was the most (and only) positive thing I’ve seen today. I needed it.
So, show of hands—who’s going to watch the (deva)state of the uniom?
Not enough money or alcohol in the world to make me do it—I think I’ll have to go on total news/internet blackout tomorrow night. I just can’t even…
Not tomorrow satan.
No way. I’ll follow here maybe, waiting for the riot.
Broadchurch has my life, as planned.
re: #14 Stanley Sea
I’m wondering who this Hoarse guy is.
And if his tweets have been fact checked. He lays out a lot of facts, not just BS commentary.
??
Never trust any single source, no matter how reliable. But the one thing that Horse Whisperer does sparingly is speculate.
re: #17 Kragar
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Is this verified?
I’m weary of another opportunist telling us what we want to hear.
Leave it to Devin Nunes to expose that one of Trump’s own appointees — a lifelong Republican, Federalist Society member, and former Ken Starr assistant — found probable cause that a Trump campaign staffer was an agent of a foreign power. Well done, sir.
— Matthew Miller (@matthewamiller) January 29, 2018
re: #22 Belafon
Yeah, I’m highly cynical these days. I get the good feels from their threads and there isn’t a lot of super suspect stuff, but I still approach with a lot of caution at this point. I’ve seen too many accounts start off cool and then evolve into weirdness.
re: #22 Belafon
Never trust any single source, no matter how reliable. But the one thing that Horse Whisperer does sparingly is speculate.
But has it been fact checked?
Like past tweets?
Just feels like the after inauguration dream weavers.
I would like my speculation to be proven wrong.
Every dollar goes to removing @DevinNunes from office - join my fighthttps://t.co/p2WxNXfcfr
— Andrew Janz (@JanzforCongress) January 30, 2018
re: #15 BeachDem
That was the most (and only) positive thing I’ve seen today. I needed it.
So, show of hands—who’s going to watch the (deva)state of the uniom?
Not enough money or alcohol in the world to make me do it—I think I’ll have to go on total news/internet blackout tomorrow night. I just can’t even…
Not watching SOTU, I got a Knicks game. Screw that guy.
re: #27 Stanley Sea
But has it been fact checked?
Like past tweets?
Just feels like the after inauguration dream weavers.
I would like my speculation to be proven wrong.
S/he has been one of the twitter-ers that have been well-received here, and I have not seen complaints or false threads. S/he does avoid conjecture. Have no idea who it is, but probably not just Joe Blow from Podunk.
I’m going to avoid SOTU. Hearing Trumps voice and seeing that face pisses me off. I’ll probably read.
re: #23 Stanley Sea
Bowdich is a Mueller guy.
“In 2011, Mr. Bowdich was selected to handle the transition of a new FBI Director given that Director Mueller’s 10-year term expired in September 2011. After Director Mueller received a two-year extension, Mr. Bowdich was named as the special assistant to the associate deputy director.”
re: #30 retired cynic
S/he has been one of the twitter-ers that have been well-received here, and I have not seen complaints or false threads. S/he does avoid conjecture. Have no idea who it is, but probably not just Joe Blow from Podunk.
I don’t have the capacity to do this, but I would love a review of the past tweets fact v fiction.
JFC on a flaming pogo-stick. It would be bad enough if this were just a couple of brutal morons but it’s a whole organized movement, with its own secret Facebook page and international conferences. To probably nobody’s surprise there is a whack-job American church involved.
PARENTS ARE MAKING THEIR CHILDREN DRINK BLEACH TO ‘CURE’ THEM OF AUTISM
Parents are making their children drink industrial bleach to “cure” them of autism, with the potentially deadly practice traced back to a cult in the United States.
According to the British tabloid Sunday People, six British police forces probed cases in which children as young as 2 were forced to undergo the potentially lethal treatment.
The treatment being administered is CD (chloride dioxide) or MMS (“miracle mineral solution”), with a secret Facebook group touting its use to desperate parents in the United Kingdom.
The method was promoted by a controversial U.S. church with a branch in Los Angeles: the secretive Genesis II Church, founded by Jim Humble, a former scientologist.
A 2016 investigation by Eyewitness News and ABC News found an underground network clustered in Southern California, promoting MMS on Facebook as a cure for ailments including cancer, Parkinson’s and autism in children.
I have an idea: We can cure these cultists of brain rot by locking them up for the next 40 years.
Just trying to direct my energy correctly.
GAH
re: #34 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
OMG! Forty years is not long enough! And double for whoever is promoting it!
re: #18 BeachDem
Just curious—do we even know that Hoarse is a guy?
He’s mentioned that he’s a divorced father.
re: #32 Kragar
Bowdich is a Mueller guy.
Just looking at pictures of Bowdich, I’d say he’s someone with whom one should not fuck. (and I don’t mean that in the biblical sense.)
re: #34 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
JFC on a flaming pogo-stick. It would be bad enough if this were just a couple of brutal morons but it’s a whole organized movement, with its own secret Facebook page and international conferences. To probably nobody’s surprise there is a whack-job American church involved.
PARENTS ARE MAKING THEIR CHILDREN DRINK BLEACH TO ‘CURE’ THEM OF AUTISM
I have an idea: We can cure these cultists of brain rot by locking them up for the next 40 years.
Speaking as someone on the spectrum who has struggled with it, I believe more than ever we need to educate the population about what autism actually is. This is just so fucked up.
As a Member of the Foreign Affairs Cmte, I find the weakness shown by @realDonaldTrump towards Russia to be deeply troubling. Sanctions law was not just to deter Russia, but to hold it accountable for hacking our democracy. Russia shouldn’t get a mulligan. https://t.co/x2Ig2ZAoHC
— Ted Lieu (@tedlieu) January 30, 2018
Today:
— Admin announces there are enough sanctions already on Russia, don’t need more.
— House intel committee votes to release “the memo”
— almost at midnight, long awaited list of russian oligarchs close to Putin is released by Treasury
Buried ledes. Ignore the noise.— Molly McKew (@MollyMcKew) January 30, 2018
re: #40 jaunte
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Trump is the best asset the Kremlin has. We need to find out why he’s so servile to Putin.
re: #31 HappyWarrior
I’m going to avoid SOTU. Hearing Trumps voice and seeing that face pisses me off. I’ll probably read.
I’ll be watching Big Ten Bouncing Ball and other stuff. He’s just going to be blowing smoke anyway.
If someone yells “you lie…all the damn time!!!” I think we will hear about it. I can wait ‘til later.
re: #43 ObserverArt
I’ll be watching Big Ten Bouncing Ball and other stuff. He’s just going to be blowing smoke anyway.
If someone yells “you lie…all the damn time!!!” I think we will hear about it. I can wait ‘til later.
Yeah it’s just going to be more damn lies.
re: #42 HappyWarrior
Trump is the best asset the Kremlin has. We need to find out why he’s so servile to Putin.
Trump idolizes strongmen, and Putin’s the chief strongman on the world stage. I reckon it’s no more complicated than that.
re: #40 jaunte
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if democrats take the house this year, i predict in 2019 or 2020 trump will ignore the fact that a bill passed by the republican senate was voted down in the house and sign it into law anyway
re: #46 scottslemmons
Trump idolizes strongmen, and Putin’s the chief strongman on the world stage. I reckon it’s no more complicated than that.
I think Putin has dirt on him tbh.
re: #48 HappyWarrior
I think Putin has dirt on him tbh.
Nothing else fits the facts as we know them.
If the House GOP leadership is OK w Russian influence in our elections in 2018 going unchecked, that says a lot about their confidence that the Russians are on their side, and their fear that the American people aren’t.
— Ronald Klain (@RonaldKlain) January 30, 2018
re: #49 retired cynic
Nothing else fits the facts as we know them.
It’s interesting to think about. Just makes me sick that Trump is our President.
Russian oligarch report/list here:https://t.co/z3IC8nPKB3
— Molly McKew (@MollyMcKew) January 30, 2018
Not enacting the sanctions, passed by the Congress and signed by Trump is a complete surrender by the Administration to the Rule of Law.
It’s a complete capitulation by the Trump Administration to the Russians.
At what point do we call them traitors? Really, what will it take?
I think we all know that this is about money laundering for Russian Oligarchs to fund Trump’s businesses, but really, what will it take to bring down this criminal enterprise?
It’s 12:30am, a top ranking House Democrat just compared Trump to Hitler, and this will not be particularly big news. pic.twitter.com/ObSyloI75x
— Jennifer Bendery (@jbendery) January 30, 2018
re: #53 austin_blue
But they’re Republicans. They are the only real Americans that exist, therefore they can’t be traitors by definition, QED.
And if you think Clyburn is exaggerating:
This was the vote on Russian Sanctions:
House: 419-3
Senate: 98-2
Today, Trump said he won’t impose the sanctions despite a veto-proof majority.
Congratulations, America. Laws are meaningless now.— Nick Jack Pappas (@Pappiness) January 30, 2018
The Executive Branch of our government is a criminal enterprise. Full stop.
The Legislative Branch of our government is supporting this criminal enterprise.
This is how representative democracies die.
Our Kristallnacht is just around the corner for us if we don’t stop this.
Robert Parry, who uncovered a treasure trove of documents showing that Ronald Reagan’s campaign interfered with Jimmy Carter’s attempts to free the American hostages in Iran, and uncovered much of the information in the Iran-Contra scandal has passed away.
His son has written a final article about his father on his father’s Website.
re: #58 Anymouse 🌹
Important guy. How much farther we would have been along this disastrous fork in the road without people like that, who can say?
re: #58 Anymouse 🌹
Robert Parry, who uncovered a treasure trove of documents showing that Ronald Reagan’s campaign interfered with Jimmy Carter’s attempts to free the American hostages in Iran, and uncovered much of the information in the Iran-Contra scandal has passed away.
His son has written a final article about his father on his father’s Website.
The sad truth is the honest ones like Robert and Gary Webb get marginalized while the Maggies are taken as gospel truth.
This has been just a horrible day for the American experiment of Democracy. At a fundamental level, I just can’t even.
The fact that the Congress, the media, and the general population has not gone “Hey, wait a minute!” is just insane.
We lost our soul today. I don’t know how we will get it back.
I’m off to the rack. I wonder what kind of America to which I will wake up.
(I expect extra likes for not dangling a participle.)
Here is my speculation. Hopefully I do not sound like a downer… And, I agree that I have been wrong before. Far too many times.
My suspicion is that Putin and his friends have been using Trump for money laundering.(Into, and out of, real estate) For well into the 9 figures. And that Trump had little cash beyond that for most of the 21st Century. His whole family is vulnerable there. Including to the NY State AG.
I also suspect that Trump will eventually successfully fire Rosenstein and Mueller at some point. But that it will not matter if the Dems can do well enough in the 2018 mid-terms.
Remember that Nixon was able to fire the first special prosecutor. And it still did not end well for him.
The other thing that can happen is that a crisis, domestic, economic or foreign can affect the elections as well. In the short term there is likely to be a rally around the flag boost. However, it will fade in time and become another negative. The Bush-Iraq wars fit this mold.
re: #61 austin_blue
This has been just a horrible day for the American experiment of Democracy. At a fundamental level, I just can’t even.
The fact that the Congress, the media, and the general population has not gone “Hey, wait a minute!” is just insane.
We lost our soul today. I don’t know how we will get it back.
I’m off to the rack. I wonder what kind of America to which I will wake up.
(I expect extra likes for not dangling a participle.)
In the meantime, it appears that the Republicans held a middle of the night “pain capable 20 week abortion ban” bill (none of such having anything to do with science), mostly to paint Democrats as “pro-baby death.”
Tonight, the Senate is expected to vote on a bill that would ban abortions after 20 weeks. This would be very, very bad for anyone who can get pregnant, on account of the fact the vast majority of abortions after this time are due to fetuses with severe, unsurvivable defects.
It’s extremely unlikely the vote will pass — even though Trump announced at the March For Life that he was eager to sign it. It would require 60 votes, and the GOP only has 50. (John McCain is still feeling poorly.) There is almost no way they would get 10 Democratic Senators to sign on — and it’s unlikely that Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins will be too into it either.
The bill, introduced by Lindsay Graham, is titled the “Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act” — based on the fact that they have decided that a fetus can feel pain at 20 weeks. Of course, according to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, a fetus actually cannot feel pain until around 24 weeks.
re: #62 ckkatz
Here is my speculation. Hopefully I do not sound like a downer… And, I agree that I have been wrong before. Far too many times.
My suspicion is that Putin and his friends have been using Trump for money laundering.(Into, and out of, real estate) For well into the 9 figures. And that Trump had little cash beyond that for most of the 21st Century. His whole family is vulnerable there. Including to the NY State AG.
I also suspect that Trump will eventually successfully fire Rosenstein and Mueller at some point. But that it will not matter if the Dems can do well enough in the 2018 mid-terms.
Remember that Nixon was able to fire the first special prosecutor. And it still did not end well for him.
The other thing that can happen is that a crisis, domestic, economic or foreign can affect the elections as well. In the short term there is likely to be a rally around the flag boost. However, it will fade in time and become another negative. The Bush-Iraq wars fit this mold.
This does seem to be moving a lot faster than Watergate did. Though I was only a teenager, I distinctly remember the dribble of news over the Watergate Hotel break-in turning into a conspiracy to bug the Democratic National Committee took a couple years to unravel.
The only real difference here is a) Computers instead of hotel, and b) Using a foreign power instead of so-called plumbers.
re: #63 Anymouse 🌹
I am glad that you reminded me that the Repugs have essentially only a 50-49 Senate majority. Hopefully that will slow them down through the 2018 elections.
re: #62 ckkatz
re: #65 Anymouse 🌹
The problem here is that Watergate bringing Nixon down required a Republican Party that was actually willing to hold Nixon accountable in the end and take it on the chin.
Our current Republican party has actually become even more devoted to Trump the more shit comes out. They will not save us, and in fact are using it to reap the rewards.
We’re fucked. Yes, I’ll be less cynical and depressed about this come morning more than likely, but it’s clear the GOP from top to bottom wants this, or at the very least is willing to maintain it for their own advantage.
re: #57 austin_blue
The Executive Branch of our government is a criminal enterprise. Full stop.
The Legislative Branch of our government is supporting this criminal enterprise.
This is how representative democracies die.
Our Kristallnacht is just around the corner for us if we don’t stop this.
I completely understand feeling discouraged, because I’m a monstrous pessimist 99.999% of the time. The problem is — how do we stop this? Best case, we’re stuck waiting for November. And the Republicans seem entirely confident in the Russians’ ability to flip the election their way.
So with the Executive and Legislative branches firmly on the side of evil, and the strong possibility that the election will be compromised — no one’s asking what “stopping this” entails. What are we prepared to do? If marching doesn’t cut the mustard, what’s next? Fighting and dying? Or hiding and keeping our fingers crossed that someone else will fix things?
This is why we need to be making concrete plans about how to get vulnerable populations, activists, allies, scientists, artists, writers, and hopefully, our families and friends to safety in other countries.
re: #65 Anymouse 🌹
I also was a teenager back then. In the backwater of Pittsburgh. I do not remember much news until near the end.
I suspect that things felt a lot more fast moving in DC at the time.
And yes, I agree that computers/internet/social media has had a major on the US. (It reminds me of how newspapers and railroads affected the pre-Civil War political maneuvering.)
re: #67 Citizen K
The problem here is that Watergate bringing Nixon down required a Republican Party that was actually willing to hold Nixon accountable in the end and take it on the chin.
Our current Republican party has actually become even more devoted to Trump the more shit comes out. They will not save us, and in fact are using it to reap the rewards.
We’re fucked. Yes, I’ll be less cynical and depressed about this come morning more than likely, but it’s clear the GOP from top to bottom wants this, or at the very least is willing to maintain it for their own advantage.
But remember what brought the GOP around: The prospect of a bloodbath in the midterm elections at the time.
The GOP then supported President Nixon with all the same things you’re hearing now: Liberals are blowing all this out of proportion, it’s all irresponsible reporting, &c.
The GOP came around right when their conservative gravy train looked like it was going to go off an uncompleted bridge.
If they see their gravy train this time round doing the same thing, they’ll push Trump out the door as well.
The worst part of this is my whole life every time the electorate seems to think “this time conservatives running for office will be different.” No, difference is not really a thing in conservatism, gaining and maintaining power is.
Nixon, Reagan, both Bushes, all had huge numbers of people in their administrations indicted and convicted of crimes. Democrats under Clinton, Carter, and Obama, almost none.
re: #68 scottslemmons
I agree that the situation can easily be considered depressing.
But I take heart that the Trump support is being slowly eroded.
And that at some point, hopefully in 2018, it will collapse to government representation closer to it’s 30%. And it is very hard to govern a democracy with such a small minority.
The issue is the need to convince people to chnage their minds. And that takes time.
The ability to hold hearings in Congress and start turning over the rocks to see what creepie crawlies skitter away is vital.
re: #70 Anymouse 🌹
But remember what brought the GOP around: The prospect of a bloodbath in the midterm elections at the time.
The GOP then supported President Nixon with all the same things you’re hearing now: Liberals are blowing all this out of proportion, it’s all irresponsible reporting, &c.
The GOP came around right when their conservative gravy train looked like it was going to go off an uncompleted bridge.
If they see their gravy train this time round doing the same thing, they’ll push Trump out the door as well.
The worst part of this is my whole life every time the electorate seems to think “this time conservatives running for office will be different.” No, difference is not really a thing in conservatism, gaining and maintaining power is.
Nixon, Reagan, both Bushes, all had huge numbers of people in their administrations indicted and convicted of crimes. Democrats under Clinton, Carter, and Obama, almost none.
Yup, what you said!
And yes, the folks in power are slimy and ruthless. But that has generally proven a bug, not a feature in US History.
re: #71 ckkatz
Yup, there is a reason they call it the “crazification factor.” (The 27% or so of conservatives who will vote for R-Beelzebub.)
Trump is near that now. The problem is Congress: When pollsters ask about Congress, a huge number of people will say Congress is horrible, but a huge number will say their own Representative or Senator is not the problem.
Let me throw down the gauntlet NOW: If anyone comes on my tv tomorrow night after the SOTU saying whatever speech Trump READS somehow makes his sound good/presidential/unifying, I’m turning you off and never listening again.
— Charles M. Blow (@CharlesMBlow) January 29, 2018
re: #74 Anymouse 🌹
And then there is the question of exactly where was Grandma, and what was she doing there, when she found that.
Heh… Reminds me of the time I helped clean out my Great Aunt’s place. My grandfather handed me what looked like a mug and asked me what it was. He was amused at my response of “a mug?”. It was a chamber pot.
re: #75 Anymouse 🌹
Sadly, I expect many of his colleagues at the Times already have their templates of ‘Trump became president tonight’ at the ready and just waiting to be filled in.
re: #75 Anymouse 🌹
Sounds like a good intelligence test for talking heads. But I think that I will be providing some feedback to the sponsoring show too. And then writing the show off. Like a lot of others, I am all out of ****s to give.
re: #76 ckkatz
Chamber pots used to be nicknamed “thunder mugs.”
re: #77 Citizen K
Sadly, I expect many of his colleagues at the Times already have their templates of ‘Trump became president tonight’ at the ready and just waiting to be filled in.
Oh, you can be sure that the “Both Sides” crowd are already have the templates for their “Trump was impressively presidential” stories prepared and ready to go.
re: #78 ckkatz
Sounds like a good intelligence test for talking heads. But I think that I will be providing some feedback to the sponsoring show too. And then writing the show off. Like a lot of others, I am all out of ****s to give.
There’s an awful lot of upset commentary at Mr. Blow’s tweet (directed at the magic balancefairyist media, with names and at signs).
re: #77 Citizen K
Sadly, I expect many of his colleagues at the Times already have their templates of ‘Trump became president tonight’ at the ready and just waiting to be filled in.
I have mixed feelings about the NYT. It has had some good material. But it also has some really stupid stuff. But yes, I am starting to get tired of some of their writers.
re: #77 Citizen K
Sadly, I expect many of his colleagues at the Times already have their templates of ‘Trump became president tonight’ at the ready and just waiting to be filled in.
Maggie Hackerman, Russ Doubt-hat, &c, plus whoever it was who wrote the “why we need Stephen Miller” and “the friendly Nazi next door” articles.
I know my regional paper will have a glowing review of the SOTU ready to go.
re: #82 ckkatz
I have mixed feelings about the NYT. It has had some good material. But it also has some really stupid stuff. But yes, I am starting to get tired of some of their writers.
The problem is that they have good reportage that they summarily ignore in order to normalize and enable Trump, and Baquet has gone on the record for his contempt for his liberal readership. And the editorial edicts from above soft-handing Trump, giving Miller cover, alongside the endless swiping at HRC while demanding she stop being a public thing in the same breath….it’s over.
They’ve made it clear what side their on it seems like. Charles Blow, Krugman, and Sopan Deb are pretty much the only things left that aren’t utterly embarrassing.
re: #79 The Ghost of a Flea
Chamber pots used to be nicknamed “thunder mugs.”
Heh, did not know that.
I have not had occasion to encounter one since that day in the late 1960s in St Joseph Mo.
My Great Aunt’s father had served in the Civil War. (10th Kansas Cavalry, iirc) We also found an old powder horn. My grandfather poured out the powder onto the driveway and ignited it. He then said that the ladies of the house had been concerned about the old muzzle loader that had gone with the powder horn and had disposed of it many years previously. But they had not realized that powder horn still had powder in it.
It was an interesting look into an older way of life.
re: #84 Citizen K
The problem is that they have good reportage that they summarily ignore in order to normalize and enable Trump, and Baquet has gone on the record for his contempt for his liberal readership. And the editorial edicts from above soft-handing Trump, giving Miller cover, alongside the endless swiping at HRC while demanding she stop being a public thing in the same breath….it’s over.
They’ve made it clear what side their on it seems like. Charles Blow, Krugman, and Sopan Deb are pretty much the only things left that aren’t utterly embarrassing.
I agree, there is a lot to dislike about the NYT. The Nazi next door articles amongst them. On the other hand, it is an interesting statement of contempt to paint Trump supporters as deplorable Nazis.
Looks like NYT just raised their subscription price. Another reason to throw in the towel.
Well time to head to bed. We are due snow here (Northern Virginia) through rush hour. That should make things entertaining.
re: #86 ckkatz
I agree, there is a lot to dislike about the NYT. The Nazi next door articles amongst them. On the other hand, it is an interesting statement of contempt to paint Trump supporters as deplorable Nazis.
Looks like NYT just raised their subscription price. Another reason to throw in the towel.
What we call today the folks who supported Hitler because they were concerned about jobs, or infrastructure, or immigration, or Making Germany Great Again, or any other reason?
Nazis. We don’t care why they supported him.
Payday lending firms sometimes make loans against pending legal settlements.
Some firms are now looking to cash in on the MeToo movement by offering lending against pending sexual harassment suits.
Companies that offer money to plaintiffs in anticipation of future legal settlements are racing to capitalize on sexual harassment lawsuits.
That is setting off alarms in some quarters because the industry, like payday lenders, has a history of providing cash at exorbitant interest rates to customers who need the money for living and sometimes medical expenses.
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what in the wide world of fuck is this https://t.co/rBTJcHT4Pa pic.twitter.com/CmNfu5aW7l
— shauna (@goldengateblond) January 30, 2018
I understand the hand-wringing here, but you’ve got to face up to the facts that you now live in a rather different country than the one you remember from, say, 20 years ago, and it’s only going to get more “differenter”.
That has happened throughout history to many, many people in many, many countries. Things chance, not always for the better. History is a bitch that way. Remember the Bellamy family trying to adapt and survive in UPSTAIRS DOWNSTAIRS.
Historians will be discussing the many causes for that change for centuries to come, but ultimately it’s not important now. I’ve been writing on blogs for now 15 years, starting on DKos and Billmon’s in 2003, that the US is moving towards a democrature à la Brazil/Russia, and so far I’ve been proven right.
One might speculate that, as the first two decades of the 20th century saw the end of the old colonial empires, the first two decades of this century are seeing the end of the US of A as it once was. There’ll be a lot of bad things about it, for sure, but also good things. Nothing lasts forever. One has to roll with the punches.
According to some papers here, Trump want to start a trade war with the EU because he’s mad that we won’t let him build his f*cking golf courses here.
I’m amazed the Scots haven’t yet set fire to the damned thing.
re: #91 Lupin
Well, we’ll have to see. We have examples in the recent past of conservative overreach in our government.
Mass movements such as the Women’s Marches show that a significant portion of the populace isn’t going to take this lying down.
Every generation has to make a political stand against conservatism’s tendency toward authoritarianism. That is partly why the USA has had six so-called “party systems,” where each time there is a re-alignment of the political system. (They usually ended in the destruction of one of the two major parties.)
The GOP is an unstable coalition of political nihilists, corporations, Evangelical Christians, and small-l libertarians. Such coalitions of disparate groups have never held together too long in any other time in our or any other country; there is no reason to believe that “this time it’s different.”
Someone noted above that Democratic messaging might be encapsulated in the phrase “with liberty and justice for all” (with emphasis on all).
Nixon on Watergate in State of the Union, 44 years ago tomorrow night: “I believe the time has come to bring that investigation and the other investigations of this matter to an end. One year of Watergate is enough!” pic.twitter.com/F6ndl2kA3n
— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) January 29, 2018
Rep. Quigley says Russian operatives hacked Illinois elections board last year - Chicago Tribune https://t.co/RCVXYkDKwQ
— ΞLΞVΞNTH (@3L3V3NTH) January 30, 2018
re: #49 retired cynic
Nothing else fits the facts as we know them.
one of things that make him strong!
Republicans argued in briefs to Sam Alito that its unfair to donor’s money not to continue to use gerrymandered congressional districts in Pennsylvania which are unfair to voters. Alito being Alito, there is a good chance he will stay the Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s order even though its based on the Pennsylvania Constitution.
re: #98 Big Beautiful Door
Republicans argued in briefs to Sam Alito that its unfair to donor’s money not to continue to use gerrymandered congressional districts in Pennsylvania which are unfair to voters. Alito being Alito, there is a good chance he will stay the Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s order even though its based on the Pennsylvania Constitution.
Donors’ money has precedence over voters’ right to representation?
A stalker obsessed with guns killed four people at a Pennsylvania carwash. Meanwhile in Kentucky the General Assembly debates increasing school safety the only way they know how, with MOAR GUNZ!!!!
re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Donor’s money has precedence over voters’ right to representation?
According to the GOP, yes. Of course that is directly in line with the GOP’s belief that money has more rights than people.
re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Donors’ money has precedence over voters’ right to representation?
Yes!! That’s the whole point of Citizens United.
re: #102 Patricia Kayden
Yes!! That’s the whole point of Citizens United.
‘twas a rhetorical question, especially as relates to Alito…
How is this a thing? Has this always been the case?
#IRS encourages taxpayers seriously behind on #taxes to pay or enter into a payment agreement to avoid putting #passports at risk. https://t.co/lPBLKMGmCi pic.twitter.com/2Gjz04VYDn
— IRS (@IRSnews) January 30, 2018
HOLY SHIT. https://t.co/gcnp6vnCX7
— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) January 30, 2018
Trump already fucked farmers over by pulling out of TPP. That’s billions of farm stuff not going overseas. Now…
Farm state Republicans warn Trump: Don’t hurt us by fooling with NAFTA https://t.co/0gT0knDsEM
— Raw Story (@RawStory) January 30, 2018
re: #106 MsJ
Farm state Republicans warn Trump: Don’t hurt us by fooling with NAFTA
that’s just a friendly request, they will still continue to vote for him.
re: #106 MsJ
Trump already fucked farmers over by pulling out of TPP. That’s billions of farm stuff not going overseas. Now…
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One of the few things I will ding HRC for is caving on TPP when Bernie pushed her. That was a time to push back and explain what was at stake. I know Obama tried to sell it, but all the air was taken by the campaigns at that point.
re: #34 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
JFC on a flaming pogo-stick. It would be bad enough if this were just a couple of brutal morons but it’s a whole organized movement, with its own secret Facebook page and international conferences. To probably nobody’s surprise there is a whack-job American church involved.
PARENTS ARE MAKING THEIR CHILDREN DRINK BLEACH TO ‘CURE’ THEM OF AUTISM
I have an idea: We can cure these cultists of brain rot by locking them up for the next 40 years.
I get the threat of washing the kid’s mouth with detergent for having a potty mouth, but Dear God, this is stupid.
re: #109 Barefoot Grin
One of the few things I will ding HRC for is caving on TPP when Bernie pushed her. That was a time to push back and explain what was at stake. I know Obama tried to sell it, but all the air was taken by the campaigns at that point.
Sanders really dumbed down the debate on that issue.
ANY POLITICIAN THAT OPENLY (read LOUDLY) CALLS DONALD TRUMP A LIAR AT THE SOTU SPEECH WILL RECEIVE A $500 DONATION TO THEIR REELECTION CAMPAIGN FROM MY BROKE ASS.
re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
that’s just a friendly request, they will still continue to vote for him. The farmers should be angry, and next time register it by voting for those who actually care about their lives.
FTFY
re: #109 Barefoot Grin
One of the few things I will ding HRC for is caving on TPP when Bernie pushed her. That was a time to push back and explain what was at stake. I know Obama tried to sell it, but all the air was taken by the campaigns at that point.
I agree completely. We were well positioned before this trump thing came in. Obama drove TPP to ensure the US was well represented and protected. Now it’s all going to shit.
Thoughts about various conversations here on LGF yesterday:
“Democrats need to do better at messaging. Make it simple and stick to it.”
“Nunes’ memo is like Al Capone’s vault: There’s nothing there.” - Ted Lieu
“That’s a bad analogy because it doesn’t quite map to what’s going on.”
This is why Democrats don’t have a simple message.
@expedia FTW. @davidfrum pic.twitter.com/BFqNWeMYrg
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) January 30, 2018
re: #33 Stanley Sea
This account seems to be particularly careful. Take the release of the Senate and House reports on FusionGPS. Horse Whisperer read through both of them, pulling relevant information, in order. If they are pulling our leg, they are playing the very long game version.
re: #111 HappyWarrior
Sanders really dumbed down the debate on that issue.
Yep. That was his angry populist message based, I’m guessing on not even knowing the details.
re: #82 ckkatz
I have mixed feelings about the NYT. It has had some good material. But it also has some really stupid stuff. But yes, I am starting to get tired of some of their writers.
I appreciate Charles for pointing out that folks signed up with Amazon Prime can get a discount subscription to the Washington Post. I was paying the full price until he pointed it out.
re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Donors’ money has precedence over voters’ right to representation?
That is the ACLU’s position which really angers me to no end. They insist that money is free speech…
re: #118 Barefoot Grin
Yep. That was his angry populist message based, I’m guessing on not even knowing the details.
I was surprised with how uninformed on the issues he was for a man in office as long as he’s been. Just frustrating.
re: #120 Joe Bacon 🌹
That is the ACLU’s position which really angers me to no end. They insist that money is free speech…
Wow! Talk about the “long game”.
re: #117 Belafon
This account seems to be particularly careful. Take the release of the Senate and House reports on FusionGPS. Horse Whisperer read through both of them, pulling relevant information, in order. If they are pulling our leg, they are playing the very long game version.
Plus, his English is pretty good. :D
re: #121 HappyWarrior
I was surprised with how uninformed on the issues he was for a man in office as long as he’s been. Just frustrating.
Populists do not have to know anything…they just scream the loudest.
Trump and Bernie…two sides of the same coin, like a dumb and dumber sammich.
re: #120 Joe Bacon 🌹
That is the ACLU’s position which really angers me to no end. They insist that money is free speech…
What I don’t like about that position is that it implies no matter what its supporters say that some speech matters more than others. Now, I have seen it argued that unions could do the same thing as people like the Mercers and Kochs but A) Unions aren’t strong as they once were because of well people like the Kochs and Mercers and B) more importantly, that’s a collective voice, the Mercers and Kochs are literally buying politicians. Adelson is another guy. The post CU world results in a political landscape where politicians worry more about offending their sugar mommies and daddies than they do the voters and that simply is wrong. Citizens United was easily one of the worst SCOTUS decisions in decades.
re: #115 Belafon
This is why Democrats don’t have a simple message.
I thought the Democrats message was hate Trump.
re: #116 darthstar
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Also on Earth 1, Every Congressional Committee is conducting an investigation of President Clinton’s emails.
Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC on this snowy morning. Trump’s about to deliver a snow job to Congress today, taking credit for inheriting Obama’s economy and ignoring fact that businesses are using the tax scam to boost their bottom line and making PR moves that do little to actually boost worker salaries (one shot bonuses aren’t sticky the way salary hikes are).
Of course, it’s also expected Trump will make a statement during the SOTU about bringing Mueller’s investigation to an end.
Which is more likely:
1) Trump didn’t break laws and is obstructing justice to end investgation into his team;
2) Trump broke all kinds of laws and is obstructing justice to end investgations.— lawhawk (@lawhawk) January 30, 2018
Trump has interfered with the investigation from the moment he was made aware of it. He fired Comey because of it. He sought to have Sessions stop it. He sought to have McCabe end it.
He’s got his flacks in Congress running interference and conspiring with Trump to end it including Nunes.
He’s talking with Hannity and coordinating agitprop with Fox.
So, of course, which is more likely - that Trump is innocent and is interfering in an ongoing investigation that would result in obstruction of justice charges because of that interference, or Trump’s guilty as all hell and is interfering because he’s trying to derail a legitimate investigation.
Occam’s Razor? Trump’s cronies are all guilty as sin and Trump’s interfering because he thinks he’s above the law. With this GOP in place, he may well be right - because the GOP isn’t holding him or his cronies accountable. Worse than that, they’re spreading misinformation and lies that smear the FBI, law enforcement, and intel community.
This is a party of patriots?
Patriots for what country, because interfering in US elections by consorting with Russians to throw the election is conspiracy against the US. Lying about meeting with Russians is criminal offense. Lying about all their actions? Again, we’re talking criminal acts.
This whole thing reeks.
re: #105 MsJ
If you owe more than $25,000, the IRS can tell State to revoke your passport. This can create problems for expats, as you can imagine.
re: #124 MsJ
Populists do not have to know anything…they just scream the loudest.
Trump and Bernie…two sides of the same coin, like a dumb and dumber sammich.
They are more alike than their supporters will ever admit but I agree. It’s a lot of loud noise from both men and not a lot of actual beef.
re: #127 Shropshire Slasher
I thought the Democrats message was hate Trump.
‘Twill suffice. (until we get our shit together)
re: #128 Big Beautiful Door
Also on Earth 1, Every Congressional Committee is conducting an investigation of President Clinton’s emails.
Sounds like a beautiful place by comparison.
The dow is down 200 points. Much as I hate losing money, gives trump one less stupid thing to brag about.
re: #134 I Would Prefer Not To
That bond bubble has been expected to pop for a while. Hold onto your pants, here comes inflation!
re: #134 I Would Prefer Not To
Trump takes credit for one year jump in the markets. He ignores and claims Obama seeing market more than double on his watch was bogus, and ignored Main Street.
It’s trickle down BS all the time from Trump and the GOP.
Meanwhile, majority of companies aren’t boosting wages and they’re using the tax scam to pad their bottom line. Those that have given bonuses are doing it for the PR boost (ego stroking Trump, not because it’s the right thing to do after depressing wages for years on end).
Republicans are keeping a list of companies that have announced worker benefits as a result of tax reform.
Fewer than half of the Fortune 500 companies on the list actually say they’re raising wages. https://t.co/vVyBaowOpx— Arthur Delaney (@ArthurDelaneyHP) January 30, 2018
The reality is that companies are using the tax scam to get a PR boost; nothing more.
One shot bonuses aren’t leading to higher wages. Wages are still lagging inflation. https://t.co/jTDVnVOkTV— lawhawk (@lawhawk) January 30, 2018
re: #135 Shropshire Slasher
That bond bubble has been expected to pop for a while. Hold onto your pants, here comes inflation!
200 points doesn’t mean what it used to mean. Yours is a bit of an overreaction.
re: #136 lawhawk
Trump takes credit for one year jump in the markets. He ignores and claims Obama seeing market more than double on his watch was bogus, and ignored Main Street.
It’s trickle down BS all the time from Trump and the GOP.
Meanwhile, majority of companies aren’t boosting wages and they’re using the tax scam to pad their bottom line. Those that have given bonuses are doing it for the PR boost (ego stroking Trump, not because it’s the right thing to do after depressing wages for years on end).
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Yep. It’s just a temporary thing and then when memory fades, they’ll go back to screwing their workers and crying that expecting them to pay their employees a decent wage is SOCIALISM!
re: #134 I Would Prefer Not To
The dow is down 200 points. Much as I hate losing money, gives trump one less stupid thing to brag about.
Only natural after the market’s surge; it could go right back up tomorrow. Oil is dropping as well after its run up to $66 per barrel.
I’m so torn on SOTU. I don’t want to give Trump the ratings but I really want to see how much of a fucking trainwreck it will be.
re: #141 Eclectic Cyborg
I’m so torn on SOTU. I don’t want to give Trump the ratings but I really want to see how much of a fucking trainwreck it will be.
Feel free. Big ratings are a sign of an awakening electorate. We want them to see us coming.
re: #141 Eclectic Cyborg
I’m so torn on SOTU. I don’t want to give Trump the ratings but I really want to see how much of a fucking trainwreck it will be.
Go ahead and watch, you individually can’t effect the ratings much.
re: #143 Big Beautiful Door
Go ahead and watch, you individually can’t effect the ratings much.
Oh, I know. It’s more of a principle thing.
Market-wide circuit breakers provide for cross-market trading halts during a severe market decline as measured by a single-day decrease in the S&P 500 Index. A cross-market trading halt can be triggered at three circuit breaker thresholds—7% (Level 1), 13% (Level 2), and 20% (Level 3). These triggers are set by the markets at point levels that are calculated daily based on the prior day’s closing price of the S&P 500 Index.
re: #110 Sea Mexican!
I get the threat of washing the kid’s mouth with detergent for having a potty mouth, but Dear God, this is stupid.
people are eating tide pods out of sheer self-professed stupidity, but this is idiocy with an agenda, and a scary one at that
Harley-Davidson profit drops sharply as company moves ahead with plans to close Kansas City plant
Hurt by a continued slide in motorcycle sales, Harley-Davidson Inc.’s recent-quarter profit plummeted, the company said Tuesday, adding that it’s planning to close its assembly plant in Kansas City, Mo., resulting in the loss of 800 jobs there.
Snap On could be in trouble as well, they are increasingly reliant on their loan programs for a decreasing auto tech labor force for its profits.
The Monkey Wrench in Snap-on’s Strategy
Shares of Snap-on have tooled along nicely for years, rising 130% since 2012 to $181, handily topping the broad market’s 99% gain during the same period. The joyride, however, might be over relatively soon.
The advance in the stock (ticker: SNA) of this well-known maker of high-quality automotive tools, diagnostic equipment and software has come courtesy of earnings that nearly doubled to $9.20 a share in 2016 from $4.71 in 2011. But potential headwinds could cause Snap-on to miss consensus earnings-per-share expectations this year, denting its hot stock performance.
With about 4,900 franchisees and a $10 billion stock-market value, the Kenosha, Wis., company is its industry’s biggest player. Its Snap-on in-house financing arm has boosted sales at a faster clip than otherwise might have been the case, given the decelerating growth in the number of U.S. auto mechanics over the past two years. Some 70% of Snap-on’s revenue comes from the domestic market.
Consequently, results from financing have become crucial; they generated 27% of operating profit in last year’s third quarter—the biggest percentage ever—versus just 4.3% in 2010. (Fourth-quarter and full-year numbers won’t be reported until Feb. 8.) The problem is that an increasing number of borrowers are falling behind on their payments.
re: #145 Shropshire Slasher
OK? And?
Edit: The S&P would have to lose 200 points to trigger the first one. It’s only down 20.
re: #150 Big Beautiful Door
I guess there is still time to be back up in positive territory before the SOTU address.
re: #151 Shropshire Slasher
I guess there is still time to be back up in positive territory before the SOTU address.
Nice attempt at a recovery, but you didn’t quite stick your landing.
re: #147 Amory Blaine
Reason number 10 001 why ubiquitous financing is a big fucking problem.
re: #111 HappyWarrior
Sanders really dumbed down the debate on that issue.
That whole thing was a tricky mess. I know a lot of left leaning people that were still upset with NAFTA. A claim that it took jobs away, etc.
Bernie made ground on it. Hillary more or less had to go there as it was going to be a contentious point in the debates and may well have hurt her in the primaries.
I think the whole trade issue was turned into a Republican hammer to bash Democrats just after Clinton signed NAFTA, even though it was put together under Bush 1 and accepted by conservatives.
This is why the Democrats need an organization that is solely responsible for fighting back against Republican narratives and setting narratives for Democrats. Also it is needed to help influence the media.
If NAFTA was explained better and it’s good things publicized more it might not have been used to scare people into hating TPP.
Last night ICE agents forcibly deported Amer Adi Othman, dad, husband, “pillar of the community.” Another American family has been devastated by @DHSgov @ICEgov cruelty. How many more families must be destroyed b4 the Trump, Kelly, Sessions, Miller anti-immigrant tryranny ends?
— David Leopold (@DavidLeopold) January 30, 2018
This is the Trump policy that Roger Williams fully embraces.
It’s our moral duty to put a stop to this. We have to. https://t.co/KIZ2IQ7uss— Julie Oliver (@JulieForTX25) January 30, 2018
re: #153 Eclectic Cyborg
Reason number 10 001 why ubiquitous financing is a big fucking problem.
It’s what destroyed Nortel and caused the Telecom crash in the early 2000s.
I’m no auto tech, but I like and own used snap on wrenches and ratchets (currently searching for reasonably priced used metric line wrenches). I do know a few techs though and they borrow a lot of money for tools off the truck. There is also pressure in the industry to buy their outrageously priced toolboxes which can easily approach $10,000 for tech “credibility”. These loans are about 17% and can be difficult to pay down on a ~$20 an hour job.
re: #151 Shropshire Slasher
I guess there is still time to be back up in positive territory before the SOTU address.
Sometimes the Dow will take a loss for the day, and sometimes it can regain all or most of the losses that same day. But after a big run up its neither unusual or concerning to see a one day drop. Its not news unless it keeps dropping for several days and turns into an overdue correction.
re: #154 ObserverArt
That whole thing was a tricky mess. I know a lot of left leaning people that were still upset with NAFTA. A claim that it took jobs away, etc.
Bernie made ground on it. Hillary more or less had to go there as it was going to be a contentious point in the debates and may well have hurt her in the primaries.
I think the whole trade issue was turned into a Republican hammer to bash Democrats just after Clinton signed NAFTA, even though it was put together under Bush 1 and accepted by conservatives.
This is why the Democrats need an organization that is solely responsible for fighting back against Republican narratives and setting narratives for Democrats. Also it is needed to help influence the media.
If NAFTA was explained better and it’s good things publicized more it might not have been used to scare people into hating TPP.
Oh no doubt about that.
re: #155 Dave In Austin
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This is what the Trumpanzees voted for. Ann Coulter drinks the tears of children whose parents are deported.
re: #127 Shropshire Slasher
I thought the Democrats message was hate Trump.
Why do I feel like you are being disingenuous with that comment?
Should I guess that is a criticism, or maybe you don’t hate Trump???
I think there are many Republicans that also hate Trump. How does that fit in your world?
How about yourself? Do you hate Trump, is it that simple to you?
re: #161 ObserverArt
Yeah, hate is a byproduct not the message.
re: #156 Belafon
It’s what destroyed Nortel and caused the Telecom crash in the early 2000s.
Mid 2000s housing bubble too.
re: #127 Shropshire Slasher
I thought the Democrats message was hate Trump.
Also see you being disingenuous. The message was: Look at Trump objectively as someone with no record of public service, someone whose record as a private businessman is not open to public scrutiny, and someone whose education and character do not make him suitable for the office of President and Chief Executive.
That was re-spun and sold to us by Fox as “Hate Trump”.
I like gaming and stuff, but it is very tempting to sell my video card I bought over a year ago. I could sell it used for double what I paid for it.
re: #165 Amory Blaine
I like gaming and stuff, but it is very tempting to sell my video card I bought over a year ago. I could sell it used for double what I paid for it.
Speaking of messaging, who here knows the names Roy Cockrum, Scott Comer and Eric Schoenberg?
I’ve been saying this to my friends since the beginning, it’s wishful thinking to think Trump will get indicted. He and his minions are not going anywhere. The only way to remove him from office is the old fashion way, voting.
Why Robert Mueller will never indict President Trump, by @RosenzweigP https://t.co/LVE3e0nZpe pic.twitter.com/KYzVkxUndL
— The Atlantic (@TheAtlantic) January 30, 2018
The message has always been Trump is unfit and he proves it on a daily basis.
re: #168 DodgerFan1988
I’ve been saying this to my friends since the beginning, it’s wishful thinking to think Trump will get indicted. He and his minions are not going anywhere. The only way to remove him from office is the old fashion way, voting.
It is not Mueller’s job to fix things. Only we can do that.
At the same time, I don’t think our Democracy is gone. It has survived a period when huge chunks of the population have been oppressed and killed. It has survived people, even American citizens, being deported. It’s survived people being run out of office, and numerous White House scandals. It’s survival depends on us.
You’ll wait forever. I’m beginning to think I will too regarding the question I asked about a 2020 run by @SenSanders (Bernie). Let me be upfront. I am NOT a fan. I (and I’m sure others) need to know where you stand. Where is your support for the future leadership of the country?
— 🦈🦈Argyle Von Bargle 🦈🦈 (@DaveoutofAustin) January 30, 2018
re: #169 HappyWarrior
The message has always been Trump is unfit and he proves it on a daily basis.
But again, supporters see that as a feature, not a bug.
re: #168 DodgerFan1988
You seriously don’t think Mueller wil nail Trump for obstruction?
re: #173 Eclectic Cyborg
You seriously don’t think Mueller wil nail Trump for obstruction?
I hope that a lot more about Trump’s finances comes out in the course of this investigation. It will not get him run out of office but it could damage him and his party massively.
re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
But again, supporters see that as a feature, not a bug.
Of course they do.
re: #168 DodgerFan1988
I’ve been saying this to my friends since the beginning, it’s wishful thinking to think Trump will get indicted. He and his minions are not going anywhere. The only way to remove him from office is the old fashion way, voting.
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I agree. No matter how many members of the Trump Administration are indicted and convicted, its extremely unlikely you will ever get enough GOP Senators to vote to remove Trump himself from office.
re: #173 Eclectic Cyborg
You seriously don’t think Mueller wil nail Trump for obstruction?
Not to mention, yesterday’s refusal to enforce Russian sanctions falls afoul of his obligation to see that laws are enforced. That’s a basic part of his job, and he’s willfully failed.
re: #177 makeitstop
Not to mention, yesterday’s refusal to enforce Russian sanctions falls afoul of his obligation to see that laws are enforced. That’s a basic part of his job, and he’s willfully failed.
Sanctions passed by an overwhelming majority of Congress. Trump is Putin’s bitch.
re: #115 Belafon
Thoughts about various conversations here on LGF yesterday:
“Democrats need to do better at messaging. Make it simple and stick to it.”
“Nunes’ memo is like Al Capone’s vault: There’s nothing there.” - Ted Lieu
“That’s a bad analogy because it doesn’t quite map to what’s going on.”This is why Democrats don’t have a simple message.
The bolded portion is a perfect example of hyper-analysis-induced-paralysis (and yes, people in the reality-based community are terrible for that. GOPers and other reactionaries don’t give a fuck; they, as Ghost of a Flea often puts it, see words as weapons to wield however they see fit, truth and nuance be damned).
What I’ve always said is, do everything they do EXCEPT the lying and gaslighting - use their effective rhetorical tools, but for good instead of evil.
It can be done. Remember “same-sex marriage” being framed as “marriage equality”? It worked - public perceptions on that issue seemingly changed overnight.
re: #173 Eclectic Cyborg
You seriously don’t think Mueller wil nail Trump for obstruction?
It is the official position of the DoJ that the President cannot be indicted while in office. This is a long-standing interpretation of the Constitution.
re: #11 Kragar
Oh, in a just world, we’d have Mueller executing search/seizure of books/records/computer files in the White House as Trump’s delivering his SOTU.
Trump returns to the WH to find the FBI all up in his stuff, asking WTF is going on, only to hear that the FBI is conducting search in ongoing criminal investigations in to multiple persons associated with Trump.
The post-SOTU tweets would be epic.
re: #141 Eclectic Cyborg
I’m so torn on SOTU. I don’t want to give Trump the ratings but I really want to see how much of a fucking trainwreck it will be.
NPR always runs it live. Instead of watching, listen to it and give them a boost. It’s better for your blood pressure, anyway.
re: #137 Belafon
200 points doesn’t mean what it used to mean. Yours is a bit of an overreaction.
Same way that 1000 point jumps aren’t valued the same way that they were when we went from 9000 to 10000.
1000 point jump at 20000 is a smaller percentage gain than when it was at 10000. Basic math, not that any of the right wing blithering idiots care. They just see round numbers.
We’re guaranteed that the GOP will do everything possible to undermine the next Dem president if we weren’t already. We need to make the GOP a permanent minority.
re: #169 HappyWarrior
You mean that common message about fitness that was served at the Democratic Convention repeatedly and that HRC communicated every damn time she could??
re: #184 HappyWarrior
We’re guaranteed that the GOP will do everything possible to undermine the next Dem president if we weren’t already. We need to make the GOP a permanent minority.
“We” meaning voters. I do think Trump has pointed out to a lot of people that they can’t wait for others to do their job, hence the voting we’ve seen this year. It’s going to take voters to make them a minority party.
And anyone who claims to be left but tries to split the vote in any way will be, when I’m being polite, called a Russian bot.
THREAD:
I fear it is done.
That said, I will never stop fighting - nor should you.— Leah McElrath (@leahmcelrath) January 30, 2018
Especially this last part:
Right now despair AND hope are our enemies.
Our best chance is to be courageous enough to see things clearly EXACTLY AS THEY ARE.
If you do so, you will likely feel fear and anger - both of which are ENERGIZING.
You fight evil because you must - not because a win is certain.— Leah McElrath (@leahmcelrath) January 30, 2018
(hint, hint to certain doomsayers here whose posts are infused with constant “woe is me, there’s no point in even trying because we’ll fail anyway” downerism)
re: #186 JordanRules
You mean that common message about fitness that was served at the Democratic Convention repeatedly and that HRC communicated every damn time she could??
Yep, the one that was ignored by the media and Bros alike.
re: #187 Belafon
“We” meaning voters. I do think Trump has pointed out to a lot of people that they can’t wait for others to do their job, hence the voting we’ve seen this year. It’s going to take voters to make them a minority party.
And anyone who claims to be left but tries to split the vote in any way will be, when I’m being polite, called a Russian bot.
A tool of the Russians for sure.
re: #188 Interesting Times
THREAD:
(hint, hint to certain doomsayers here whose posts are infused with constant “woe is me, there’s no point in even trying because we’ll fail anyway” downerism)
If you’re only feeling fear, but not anger, then you’re doing it wrong.
Also, though, don’t confuse hope with optimism (I can’t read the thread, so I don’t know what’ she touches on). As I said above, don’t hope it will be fixed, and that someone else will do it. But if you don’t believe it can be overcome, if you aren’t somewhat optimistic, you won’t really try.
re: #147 Amory Blaine
Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
GE, GM, Chrysler, Ford, etc., all increasingly relied on their financing arms to profit from lending to customers. When those customers stopped paying, not only did the profits dry up, but the entire enterprise was exposed as a sham and collapsed on its own weight.
It nearly ended GM and Chrysler entirely - bankruptcy reorganizations, Ford had to recapitalize/reorganize its debt outside bankruptcy, GE is moving to divorce itself from financing and focus on manufacturing, and other companies are doing similar moves.
And yet, companies are finding themselves right back in this mess.
re: #193 lawhawk
A symptom of Wall Street’s need to return more of a profit than the year before.
Real heroes. Not actual size. Watch the brand-new trailer for Ant-Man and the Wasp. In theaters July 6th. #AntManandWasp pic.twitter.com/BeL52LLeIY
— Marvel Studios (@MarvelStudios) January 30, 2018
New trailer
re: #192 Belafon
Also, though, don’t confuse hope with optimism (I can’t read the thread, so I don’t know what’ she touches on). As I said above, don’t hope it will be fixed, and that someone else will do it. But if you don’t believe it can be overcome, if you aren’t somewhat optimistic, you won’t really try.
Here’s the text of the entire thread:
I fear it is done.
That said, I will never stop fighting - nor should you.
I woke up on 11/9/2016 to the clear realization we had lost a war most people had no idea we were even fighting.
For the record:
This is NOT a reflection on Mueller or his investigation.
The unfortunate reality is laws are just marks on paper if there is no one both able and willing to enforce them.
Mueller cannot save our republic from a GOP that refuses to enforce the law.
No one in the Republican Party appears able and/or willing to do so.
Democratic efforts have been shut down by the GOP.
There is no indication any GOP lawmakers will do what is necessary to enforce the rule of law vis a vis the Trump administration.
Political journalists should have been consulting with experts in criminal psychology.
Failure to do so and the (ongoing) resulting expectation Trump will think and/or behave like a person with a conscience has led to a failure of imagination with devastating consequences.
We are watching the systematic destruction of the United States occur with relatively minimal outcry.
This is happening in part because of denial, yes, but it is also happening because a lot of journalists are too afraid to identify obvious patterns for fear of looking uncool.
Please STOP sending me @HoarseWisperer’s thread and Bowditch articles.
The findings of Mueller’s investigation rely on Congress for enforcement.
There is NO evidence the GOP will enforce the law against Trump (or his criminal co-conspirators) and plenty of evidence they won’t.
Right now despair AND hope are our enemies.
Our best chance is to be courageous enough to see things clearly EXACTLY AS THEY ARE.
If you do so, you will likely feel fear and anger - both of which are ENERGIZING.
You fight evil because you must - not because a win is certain.
I believe what she means by “hope” being an enemy is that we shouldn’t “hope” some magical external event (e.g. Mueller probe wrap-up) will swoop in deus ex machina-style and save us.
Let’s have a little courage. The NASA photo of the day features an upclose image of Venus from the Japanese robotic Akatsuki. Wow, as they say.
This is the way to start every day. Lends a little perspective.
re: #199 retired cynic
Sanctions? What sanctions?
Trump. Russia. Election. Quid, Pro, Quo.
Charlie Pierce
Also - Team Trump Just Blew Its Cover
(Yeah, it’s Schindler. But he’s right.)
re: #196 lawhawk
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New trailer
I’m entirely in favor of the typography in that title.
Trailer looks good, too.
re: #29 makeitstop
Not watching SOTU, I got
a Knicks game.literally anything else to do. Screw that guy.
re: #197 Interesting Times
Here’s the text of the entire thread:
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I believe what she means by “hope” being an enemy is that we shouldn’t “hope” some magical external event (e.g. Mueller probe wrap-up) will swoop in deus ex machina-style and save us.
My main discouragement is that our only strategies for fixing this are (a) trusting Mueller to save us and (b) trusting the election in November. We’re dealing with a government that is champing at the bit to go full fascist — we should have more than just two plans.
re: #34 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
JFC on a flaming pogo-stick. It would be bad enough if this were just a couple of brutal morons but it’s a whole organized movement, with its own secret Facebook page and international conferences. To probably nobody’s surprise there is a whack-job American church involved.
PARENTS ARE MAKING THEIR CHILDREN DRINK BLEACH TO ‘CURE’ THEM OF AUTISM
I have an idea: We can cure these cultists of brain rot by locking them up for the next 40 years.
natural selection is a slow process and problematically, sometimes if adversely affects innocents
Who the hell “writes” on a legal pad by pulling up the edge.
Oh, nobody would do that if they were actually writing, which requires a flat surface, but only if they don’t want anyone to see that the pad of paper is actually just a blank prop.
“Trump hates the idea that anybody puts words in his mouth. He hates the idea that everything isn’t written by him.” https://t.co/duLO7mNxpB
— Matt Berman (@Mr_Berman) January 30, 2018
re: #203 scottslemmons
My main discouragement is that our only strategies for fixing this are (a) trusting Mueller to save us and (b) trusting the election in November. We’re dealing with a government that is champing at the bit to go full fascist — we should have more than just two plans.
The problem is, if both of those don’t work, we’re into a whole different situation which will require much more drastic fixes. Talking about those much more drastic fixes at this point is easily portrayed as violent extremism.
re: #202 dangerman
Yeah. Mr. C. keeps saying how horrible it will be to watch. I keep saying, no one will make us watch it. ;)
Also too, I hate the way State of the Union speeches are turned into a series of one liners by near-constant applause. They should only allow 2 applause breaks for things like poverty being ended or world peace breaking out.
re: #205 The Vicious Babushka
Trump hates.
That’s how he goes through the day.
He hates when others take credit for him.
He hates anyone who is disloyal or shows disloyalty.
He hates Obama and all that Obama represents.
He hates minorities.
He hates women.
He hates that others are more respected than he is - including Obama and Clinton.
He hates.
re: #203 scottslemmons
My main discouragement is that our only strategies for fixing this are (a) trusting Mueller to save us and (b) trusting the election in November. We’re dealing with a government that is champing at the bit to go full fascist — we should have more than just two plans.
We have repeatedly demonstrated the ability to generate massive crowds for demonstrations. In the extremely unlikely event of a trumped up excuse to cancel elections, we should be able to paralyze the country.
Interesting item on an attempt to improve healthcare delivery.
The really interesting part is that health insurance stocks sank on the news. Almost as though they know they’re a big part of the problem.
re: #130 wheat-dogg
If you owe more than $25,000, the IRS can tell State to revoke your passport. This can create problems for expats, as you can imagine.
Has it always been like that? (Thankfully, I am not affected but that’s kinda scary. After the trump tax scam, I upped my federal withholding to $600 a month since I recently sold my US houses and have no deductions and I don’t want to wind up paying a shitload of money at tax time.)
re: #141 Eclectic Cyborg
I’m so torn on SOTU. I don’t want to give Trump the ratings but I really want to see how much of a fucking trainwreck it will be.
My husband said he never missed a SOTU and I am pissed he wants to give trump ratings.
I will watch a live blog. Listening to trump speak for any period of time makes me want to blow my fucking brains out.
re: #34 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
I said this the other day - people who haven’t gone through the grieving process over losing their imagined ‘normal kid’ can’t get past it. They can’t accept their child as they are, and not as they wanted them to be. They need there to be a way to get that ‘normal child’ back.
There isn’t one. And you must accept that.
And once you do, you can begin to appreciate who they are for real. Sure, a small percent of kids On The Spectrum will have severe issues all their lives. Mostly? They’ll learn coping mechanisms and strategies and they’ll find a place in the world.
But if you’re stuck with the idea that they’re broken and need to be fixed, you’ll never be able to help and encourage them to find their path. And you’ll be prone to charlatans who will sell you bleach, or chelation, or some other dangerous and ineffective ‘cure’ out of some belief that their condition is SO HORRIBLE that risking their lives is worth it.
Imagine how growing up with parents who feel that way about you will fuck you up.
re: #168 DodgerFan1988
Trump will not be indicted, at least while sitting in office.
However, minions are another story.
That is why Mueller must go forward, even if the GOP accomplices in the House keep Trump from facing justice.
Justice still needs to be carried out, and many people have been involved with the Trump crime family.
re: #205 The Vicious Babushka
Potemkin Brand Legal Pads
I suspect the same press that never thought Trump could win are having a similar problem accepting he could be so openly corrupt. Because who would be that brazen, right? Certainly not the POTUS. Must be some other explanation…
— Schooley (@Rschooley) January 30, 2018
re: #91 Lupin
I understand the hand-wringing here, but you’ve got to face up to the facts that you now live in a rather different country than the one you remember from, say, 20 years ago, and it’s only going to get more “differenter”.
That has happened throughout history to many, many people in many, many countries. Things chance, not always for the better. History is a bitch that way. Remember the Bellamy family trying to adapt and survive in UPSTAIRS DOWNSTAIRS.
Historians will be discussing the many causes for that change for centuries to come, but ultimately it’s not important now. I’ve been writing on blogs for now 15 years, starting on DKos and Billmon’s in 2003, that the US is moving towards a democrature à la Brazil/Russia, and so far I’ve been proven right.
One might speculate that, as the first two decades of the 20th century saw the end of the old colonial empires, the first two decades of this century are seeing the end of the US of A as it once was. There’ll be a lot of bad things about it, for sure, but also good things. Nothing lasts forever. One has to roll with the punches.
thought provoking and serious question
had clinton won in ‘16 would things be different going forward or just a delay of the inevitable?
re: #203 scottslemmons
My main discouragement is that our only strategies for fixing this are (a) trusting Mueller to save us and (b) trusting the election in November. We’re dealing with a government that is champing at the bit to go full fascist — we should have more than just two plans.
All plans in a democracy ultimately depend on the voters. Once the voters choose to ignore all evidence in front of them, it’s all over.
As of right now, our biggest tools are protests, and people in government and the press that still give a shit about the country.
re: #173 Eclectic Cyborg
You seriously don’t think Mueller wil nail Trump for obstruction?
Even if he does, he will take it to Congress which will do nothing.
re: #212 MsJ
My husband said he never missed a SOTU and I am pissed he wants to give trump ratings.
I will watch a live blog. Listening to trump speak for any period of time makes me want to blow my fucking brains out.
I’ll be watching basketball. I can read about what the Trump-thing said later.
re: #219 MsJ
Even if he does, he will take it to Congress which will do nothing.
Unless he takes it to a Democratic Congress a year from now. A Democratic Congress may also choose to act on referrals the previous Republican Congress chose to ignore.
🚨 We have new state-by-state Trump approvals from Gallup 😍🎉https://t.co/lzaKLv6D5F pic.twitter.com/cjpmwVV5je
— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) January 30, 2018
re: #217 dangerman
thought provoking and serious question
had clinton won in ‘16 would things be different going forward or just a delay of the inevitable?
If Clinton was President she wouldn’t be deconstructing the executive branch, undermining the ACA or signing massive tax cuts for the rich, so things would definitely be different. And we would have a whole different Supreme Court Justice and other federal judges.
WUTTEHFUUUK
The emergency worker who sent a false nuclear attack alert in Hawaii believed that a missile was truly bound for the state https://t.co/1BfO6tqA65
— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) January 30, 2018
re: #206 Blind Frog Belly White
The problem is, if both of those don’t work, we’re into a whole different situation which will require much more drastic fixes. Talking about those much more drastic fixes at this point is easily portrayed as violent extremism.
I’m not even worrying about that right now. I’m not opposed to having plans about violence, but those plans would basically be “Here’s how to notify your next-of-kin that you’ve been killed.”
On the assumption that our plans to Fix America Through Marching will fail, we need to be making serious plans on how to protect vulnerable populations when the institutions that would normally be taking care of that may be working to endanger them. We need to be making plans on how to get people out of this country and into safe countries, or into safe locations where they can be moved to safe countries eventually. We need to be making plans on how we’re going to get activists, scientists, artists, regime critics to safety. We need to be making plans on how we’ll be able to communicate.
Everyone is making plans for how we’re going to win, and winning is no longer guaranteed. We need to make contingency plans, and no one’s doing that.
re: #130 wheat-dogg
If you owe more than $25,000, the IRS can tell State to revoke your passport. This can create problems for expats, as you can imagine.
its more than just ‘owe’
it looks like after you’ve exhausted all your due process, lost, and still then havent made any arrangement or agreement
re: #222 JordanRules
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Ugh, West Virginia is well and truly fucked in the head. And North Dakota is right behind them - that makes me nervous for both Manchin and Heitkamp (i.e. can they still win if Cheeto Benito’s approval ratings remain so high in those states come November?)
re: #222 JordanRules
Texas, 39% approval to 54% disapproval.
re: #223 Big Beautiful Door
If Clinton was President she wouldn’t be deconstructing the executive branch, undermining the ACA or signing massive tax cuts for the rich, so things would definitely be different. And we would have a whole different Supreme Court Justice and other federal judges.
I’m still pissed at the stolen SCOTUS seat. That to me was among the most galling thing McConnell has done.
re: #147 Amory Blaine
Harley-Davidson profit drops sharply as company moves ahead with plans to close Kansas City plant
called to take my 2001 into the local dealer. they wont touch it cause it’s more than 15 years old. ive been going there for 13 years. they sold the franchise last year. new owner’s policy
thats certainly not an incentive to buy a new bike from them. you dont need me as a service customer, then you lost me as any kind of customer.
re: #228 jaunte
Texas, 39% approval to 54% disapproval.
Now if you can only get those 54% to actually vote:
re: #227 Interesting Times
Ugh, West Virginia is well and truly fucked in the head. And North Dakota is right behind them - that makes me nervous for both Manchin and Heitkamp (i.e. can they still win if Cheeto Benito’s approval ratings remain so high in those states come November?)
They have a difficult rope to cross for sure sigh.
re: #228 jaunte
That was one that surprised me!
re: #222 JordanRules
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I’m surprised by Alaska - don’t they have legal weed? I thought they wouldn’t like the Trump admin cracking down on states rights.
re: #235 CongoJack
I’m surprised by Alaska - don’t they have legal weed? I thought they wouldn’t like the Trump admin cracking down on states rights.
Too damn cold to notice I guess. Joking but you raise a good point.
re: #234 JordanRules
Must be a non-gerrymandered poll.
re: #235 CongoJack
Whats their white nationalist population and education system look like?
re: #238 JordanRules
Whats their white nationalist population and education system look like?
That’s a good metric imo.
re: #187 Belafon
“We” meaning voters. I do think Trump has pointed out to a lot of people that they can’t wait for others to do their job, hence the voting we’ve seen this year. It’s going to take voters to make them a minority party.
And anyone who claims to be left but tries to split the vote in any way will be, when I’m being polite, called a Russian bot.
I think people are forgetting how our government works.
If (yes, it is a big if) the House gets turned into a Dem majority the chances of Trump getting impeached go up.
Even if it isn’t controlled but is close and the trends look like as long as Trump is around the beatings to the Republicans will continue…even a GOP controlled congress might decide it is time to boot him.
First rule of politics…keep your position. If Trump is making that look difficult suddenly there is no reason to keep him.
Republican politicians are taking a chance on Trump and they know they are on a knife edge.
Politically it is much easier to dump Trump with his popularity ratings where they are. All it takes is some indication that he threatens your position.
Omg, a Treasury Dept spox has confirmed to @John_Hudson that the new Russian “oligarch list” was taken from a Forbes ranking https://t.co/kJpxebZlNC
— Miriam Elder (@MiriamElder) January 30, 2018
re: #220 Big Beautiful Door
I’ll be watching basketball. I can read about what the Trump-thing said later.
I am going to be watching a mini-marathon of Major Crimes that I recorded the other day. I never watched this show when it was on live. Now we both find it funny and relatively well written. And it bucks the trend of everyone on the show has to be an asshole (thanks, Seinfeld). I find so many new shows have few or no redeeming characters. And I don’t like watching shows where everyone sucks.
Since he loves Major Crimes, I am hoping to tempt him. Maybe I will tell him I will delete them from the PVR. [[asshole mode on]]
re: #221 Blind Frog Belly White
Unless he takes it to a Democratic Congress a year from now. A Democratic Congress may also choose to act on referrals the previous Republican Congress chose to ignore.
Which is why we need to do everything we can to keep facebook and twitter from allowing russian ratfucking.
re: #227 Interesting Times
Ugh, West Virginia is well and truly fucked in the head. And North Dakota is right behind them - that makes me nervous for both Manchin and Heitkamp (i.e. can they still win if Cheeto Benito’s approval ratings remain so high in those states come November?)
Today’s column by David Brooks is surprisingly readable, and actually makes sense (think ‘blind pig/acorn’). He analogizes the division between the 500 counties that welcomed diversity (and went for Clinton) and the 2900 that remained really white (and went for Trump) to the division between West and East Germany.
After the war, one part chose Capitalism and the other Communism. After 40 years, it was obvious which one worked, and which didn’t. Similarly, the 500 counties with the greatest diversity, and the largest number of immigrants have been the economic driver of the country, while the 2900 that stayed white have lagged behind.
Beyond simple diversity or lack thereof, though, there’s another issue I’ve talked about before - willingness to leave your comfort zone to make a better life. The 500 counties are chock full of people who went out in search of something better. The 2900, OTOH are full of people who think that prosperity should come and find them. Remember, these include those idiots in Coal Country who turned down retraining because Trump was going to bring back Coal.
That’s why Trump kept talking about “Bringing Back Coal” as a touchstone - it epitomizes the prosperity that comes to you, that you don’t have to move someplace else to claim. All you need do is wait, and the mine will reopen and you can get your old job back.
re: #232 Interesting Times
Now if you can only get those 54% to actually vote:
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This is the major issue in Texas. Texans — especially left-leaning Texans, especially Hispanic/Latino Texans — just do not fucking vote, and no one seems to have any idea how to turn that around.
re: #203 scottslemmons
My main discouragement is that our only strategies for fixing this are (a) trusting Mueller to save us and (b) trusting the election in November. We’re dealing with a government that is champing at the bit to go full fascist — we should have more than just two plans.
+1 for content
+1 for correctly using “champing”
you can decide which one counts
re: #208 lawhawk
Trump hates.
That’s how he goes through the day.
He hates when others take credit for him.
He hates anyone who is disloyal or shows disloyalty.
He hates Obama and all that Obama represents.
He hates minorities.
He hates women.
He hates that others are more respected than he is - including Obama and Clinton.He hates.
Hey, I thought we were supposed to hate Trump and it was all we had???
re: #244 Blind Frog Belly White
Today’s column by David Brooks is surprisingly readable, and actually makes sense (think ‘blind pig/acorn’). He analogizes the division between the 500 counties that welcomed diversity (and went for Clinton) and the 2900 that remained really white (and went for Trump) to the division between West and East Germany.
After the war, one part chose Capitalism and the other Communism. After 40 years, it was obvious which one worked, and which didn’t. Similarly, the 500 counties with the greatest diversity, and the largest number of immigrants have been the economic driver of the country, while the 2900 that stayed white have lagged behind.
Beyond simple diversity or lack thereof, though, there’s another issue I’ve talked about before - willingness to leave your comfort zone to make a better life. The 500 counties are chock full of people who went out in search of something better. The 2900, OTOH are full of people who think that prosperity should come and find them. Remember, these include those idiots in Coal Country who turned down retraining because Trump was going to bring back Coal.
That’s why Trump kept talking about “Bringing Back Coal” as a touchstone - it epitomizes the prosperity that comes to you, that you don’t have to move someplace else to claim. All you need do is wait, and the mine will reopen and you can get your old job back.
That’s very well said. I think too that is what separates Trump territory from Clinton turf. Clinton areas are much more diverse and frankly in the 21st century. A lot of those coal or steel counties are still fighting the past. I recently found some old newspapers from my grandparents hometown about the mills and mines closing down and this was the mid 70’s long before NAFTA, the Clintons, etc.
Black Panther, the first big budget Superhero movie with a mostly black cast is coming out this weekend. It’s getting overwhelmingly positive reviews. Ben Shapiro has already decided this is a liberal conspiracy.
Well, you could go to the movie and write a review yourself. Or are you afraid to go to a movie theater with black people?
— aceoaces (@aceoaces) January 30, 2018
re: #165 Amory Blaine
I like gaming and stuff, but it is very tempting to sell my video card I bought over a year ago. I could sell it used for double what I paid for it.
You could also make your costs back by mining altcoins (selling quickly) and still have the card for gaming. It’s only hurting the gamers who don’t mine when not gaming, and after a crash there will be a lot of cheap used cards available.
re: #240 ObserverArt
I think people are forgetting how our government works.
If (yes, it is a big if) the House gets turned into a Dem majority the chances of Trump getting impeached go up.
Even if it isn’t controlled but is close and the trends look like as long as Trump is around the beatings to the Republicans will continue…even a GOP controlled congress might decide it is time to boot him.
First rule of politics…keep your position. If Trump is making that look difficult suddenly there is no reason to keep him.
Republican politicians are taking a chance on Trump and they know they are on a knife edge.
Politically it is much easier to dump Trump with his popularity ratings where they are. All it takes is some indication that he threatens your position.
Too right. I still believe that the Republican weasels in Congress will go along with Trump until they notice that their job is in jeopardy and Trump’s isn’t in the mid-term elections.
Self-preservation is the overriding principle for these dorks. Many of them have gotten the max personal gain out of the gig, and they’re deciding not to run for re-election.
A lot of them haven’t gotten to the point where they’ll be rich outside of government, and they’re the ones who will value their own skins over Trump’s. That’s a wild card, but I still believe that it will kick in as we get closer to election time.
re: #222 JordanRules
Population of those 12 states: 28.6 million. Even if all of them supported Trump, that’s not even 10% of the national population.
28.6 million - that’s less than the population of California, and just a tad more than Texas.
Oh, and Trump’s underwater in Texas too.— lawhawk (@lawhawk) January 30, 2018
re: #249 Ace-o-aces
Black Panther, the first big budget Superhero movie with a mostly black cast is coming out this weekend. It’s getting overwhelmingly positive reviews. Ben Shapiro has already decided this is a liberal conspiracy.
It comes out February 16th here in the US.
Edit: And this white man is stoked (and I don’t use stoked very often).
re: #225 scottslemmons
I’m not even worrying about that right now. I’m not opposed to having plans about violence, but those plans would basically be “Here’s how to notify your next-of-kin that you’ve been killed.”
On the assumption that our plans to Fix America Through Marching will fail, we need to be making serious plans on how to protect vulnerable populations when the institutions that would normally be taking care of that may be working to endanger them. We need to be making plans on how to get people out of this country and into safe countries, or into safe locations where they can be moved to safe countries eventually. We need to be making plans on how we’re going to get activists, scientists, artists, regime critics to safety. We need to be making plans on how we’ll be able to communicate.
Everyone is making plans for how we’re going to win, and winning is no longer guaranteed. We need to make contingency plans, and no one’s doing that.
I don’t think you’ll end up with the military and troops in the street. This is not Chile. Though it pays to remember that everything Pinochet did then was deemed legal by the Chilean Supreme Court. So don’t trust your Constitution and legal system too much.
Trump won’t be forever; likely he’ll be gone in 2020, if not sooner. My guess is, he’ll never be inducted or prosecuted, but will end up his days in a gold-plated retirement home for senile tyrants. But what he destroyed, you’ll never get back, at least not significantly.
As I said, if you want to see the future of the US of A, look at Brazil for the societal environment, factoring in Russia’s military power and kleptocratic power structure. Roughly you’ll be there in 10 years.
It’s not hell on Earth; but you’ll need to adapt if you want to get up on top instead of in the favellas.
re: #253 Belafon
It comes out February 16th here in the US.
Edit: And this white man is stoked (and I don’t use stoked very often).
I’ll have to wait for the home release — we don’t have a movie theater in town, and I hate driving two hours just to watch a movie and drive back home. But I’m looking forward to getting to see it eventually. The trailers are (hearts emojis).
re: #249 Ace-o-aces
Black Panther, the first big budget Superhero movie with a mostly black cast is coming out this weekend. It’s getting overwhelmingly positive reviews. Ben Shapiro has already decided this is a liberal conspiracy.
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Yawn get over yourself Ben.
In House Judiciary Committee and #GOP just shut down Dem request to view the underlying classified docs for the #NunesMemo. Republicans also won’t release the Democratic memo. Why? Because they know the actual facts decimate the misleading and inaccurate #NunesMemo.
— Ted Lieu (@tedlieu) January 30, 2018
re: #249 Ace-o-aces
I think the movie’s going to be great, because it’s got great actors from Chadwick Boseman on to Andy Serkis, Martin Freeman, and Michael B Jordan.
If it’s a great story and anywhere near as good as the other MCU movies, it’ll be one hell of a ride.
It would also figure that the special snowflakes are getting bent out of shape by the fact that it’s a predominantly black cast. As if that matters to whether a movie is good or not.
Edit:
As if there aren’t 100s or 1000s of movies with a predominantly white cast that have absolutely sucked. Or that critics hated and were successful or vice versa (critics loved, but were commercial flops).
Race isn’t going to be why this is successful or fails.
re: #213 Blind Frog Belly White
I said this the other day - people who haven’t gone through the grieving process over losing their imagined ‘normal kid’ can’t get past it. They can’t accept their child as they are, and not as they wanted them to be. They need there to be a way to get that ‘normal child’ back.
There isn’t one. And you must accept that.
And once you do, you can begin to appreciate who they are for real. Sure, a small percent of kids On The Spectrum will have severe issues all their lives. Mostly? They’ll learn coping mechanisms and strategies and they’ll find a place in the world.
But if you’re stuck with the idea that they’re broken and need to be fixed, you’ll never be able to help and encourage them to find their path. And you’ll be prone to charlatans who will sell you bleach, or chelation, or some other dangerous and ineffective ‘cure’ out of some belief that their condition is SO HORRIBLE that risking their lives is worth it.
Imagine how growing up with parents who feel that way about you will fuck you up.
i have no kids and i cant really imagine. i guess every parent’s hopes, dreams, plans, about the future must sooner or later conflict with what a child is or hopes, dreams, plans her/himself.
and i guess this would be true of any physical or psychological /personality trait that got in the parent’s way of their own expectations
its like they dont recognize their children as individual people
re: #253 Belafon
It comes out February 16th here in the US.
Edit: And this white man is stoked (and I don’t use stoked very often).
Cast looks great. Great director too. Same guy who directed Fruitvale Ststion. No wonder why Benny Boy hates it.
re: #260 HappyWarrior
Cast looks great. Great director too. Same guy who directed Fruitvale Ststion. No wonder why Benny Boy hates it.
I’m curious how they’re going to react to “Black nation saves the world” in Avengers.
re: #223 Big Beautiful Door
If Clinton was President she wouldn’t be deconstructing the executive branch, undermining the ACA or signing massive tax cuts for the rich, so things would definitely be different. And we would have a whole different Supreme Court Justice and other federal judges.
oh i agree 100% - that’s “current”
i am curious of how lupin thinks the rest of the 21st century would have unfolded
I just wish the next time Shapiro went on one of his campus tours, someone reminds him he used to be paid by Bannon and his crocodile tears are bullshit.
re: #229 HappyWarrior
I’m still pissed at the stolen SCOTUS seat. That to me was among the most galling thing McConnell has done.
dont make me pull out my favorite quote….
re: #262 Belafon
I’m curious how they’re going to react to “Black nation saves the world” in Avengers.
Freak out.
re: #268 HappyWarrior
It’s already gonna be nuts considering that Wakanda is the most advanced society on the planet - and they’ve been hidden from the rest of the world on purpose.
The Eurocentric/America firsters - white supremacists/Nazis/KKK types will absolutely pitch a fit.
Fuck ‘em.
re: #269 lawhawk
It’s already gonna be nuts considering that Wakanda is the most advanced society on the planet - and they’ve been hidden from the rest of the world on purpose.
The Eurocentric/America firsters - white supremacists/Nazis/KKK types will absolutely pitch a fit.
Fuck ‘em.
Yeah fuck em. I’m tired of their whiny bs.
I wish I could find this — I think it was on Facebook somewhere, and the author deleted it — but I’ve read that conservatives and Trump supporters in particular are fucking terrified of the Black Panther movie. A black superhero — headlining his own major motion picture — in a world where an African country is the most advanced on Earth? It’s a direct fuck-you to everything they’ve ever been told.
I wouldn’t bet against Trump eventually attacking the movie on Twitter. And therefore, I wouldn’t bet against the movie doing even better than anticipated as a result.
re: #271 scottslemmons
I wish I could find this — I think it was on Facebook somewhere, and the author deleted it — but I’ve read that conservatives and Trump supporters in particular are fucking terrified of the Black Panther movie. A black superhero — headlining his own major motion picture — in a world where an African country is the most advanced on Earth? It’s a direct fuck-you to everything they’ve ever been told.
I wouldn’t bet against Trump eventually attacking the movie on Twitter. And therefore, I wouldn’t bet against the movie doing even better than anticipated as a result.
I don’t think Trump himself will but his sons? For sure.
US inspector general accuses the Pentagon of censoring Afghanistan war data, calling the order unprecedented and “troubling for a number of reasons.” https://t.co/MIriIF5JT1
— NBC News (@NBCNews) January 30, 2018
Censoring data that should be public - showing that the Taliban are increasingly in control of Afghanistan and the opium production is on the rise:
Wow. Pentagon is now refusing to say how much of Afghanistan is controlled by insurgents https://t.co/kytEtwKQtH
— Sam Stein (@samstein) January 30, 2018
David Farenthold has an article in WaPo todayl
Nine Questions about President Trump’s Conflicts of Interest
re: #273 lawhawk
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And that’s why we can’t trust Mattis simply because he’s not totally batshit.
“Do not be afraid; just have faith.” Mark 5:36
— Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) January 30, 2018
“Just kidding; be absolutely terrified.” Mark 5:37 https://t.co/5sgwh14WD3
— God (@TheTweetOfGod) January 30, 2018
re: #257 jaunte
I have to think that even the Republicans know that Nunes is a hack and a fraud. They just don’t care.
— Jeff Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) January 30, 2018
re: #269 lawhawk
It’s already gonna be nuts considering that Wakanda is the most advanced society on the planet - and they’ve been hidden from the rest of the world on purpose.
Well, they’ll always have Latveria. Of course, Dr. Doom is Romani so maybe not.
re: #253 Belafon
It comes out February 16th here in the US.
Edit: And this white man is stoked (and I don’t use stoked very often).
The trailers look great and I am looking forward to it. Reading some of the comments after the premiere though I fear it is going to be really hard for it to live up to the hype. I expect it to be a great movie, but there are people saying things like it is going to “change the landscape of the genre forever” and stuff like that.
It is like the hype about Wonder Woman. It was a good movie, better than most DC attempts with the exception of a couple of the Batman movies, but it wasn’t exactly genre busting.
re: #280 Ace Rothstein
Dow -335 right now.
I wonder if they’ll be a quick line through in the SOTU speech?
re: #271 scottslemmons
I wouldn’t bet against Trump eventually attacking the movie on Twitter. And therefore, I wouldn’t bet against the movie doing even better than anticipated as a result.
In case anyone thinks Trump attacking “Black Panther” is a ridiculous idea, remember, this is an actual tweet from the man.
How is ABC Television allowed to have a show entitled “Blackish”? Can you imagine the furor of a show, “Whiteish”! Racism at highest level?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 1, 2014
Again, the above is not from a parody account. That’s a real Donald Trump tweet.
re: #283 Ace-o-aces
In case anyone thinks Trump attacking “Black Panther” is a ridiculous idea, remember, this is an actual tweet from the man.
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Again, the above is not from a parody account. That’s a real Donald Trump tweet.
True never knew about that.
re: #281 danarchy
It is like the hype about Wonder Woman. It was a good movie, better than most DC attempts with the exception of a couple of the Batman movies, but it wasn’t exactly genre busting.
It did prove that people will go see a female led superhero movie if it’s reasonably well made.
re: #273 lawhawk
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JFC! For some of us old geezers veteran observers, this brings back unpleasant memories of the Vietnam Era: supposedly “objective” analyses of a military situation (/intervention/involvement) being either manipulated or ignored in order to “justify” a - probably misguided and/or counterproductive - policy.
As I recall the story, in 1963 (?) President Kennedy sent both military (DoD) and civilian (DoS) delegations to South Vietnam to assess the state of that government’s counterinsurgency efforts. When they returned, Kennedy had them both to the WH to deliver a recap of their findings: and supposedly, when they done, asked them if they had even visited the same country…..
At least JFK listened to his “experts” - whatever his policy choices might have turned out to be - I shudder (as with most things) to imagine Trump in the same situation: he’d probably just hear the recaps, go on to regale them with golf stories and bragging about the stock market, then set policy via whoever was next in the room…
House Intel member Rep. Jim Himes of says there’s a reasonable chance that Schiff’s rebuttal memo will never be released: “I’m under no illusion that there’s much probability at all that the Democratic memo ever sees the light of day.” https://t.co/2EpqKeWaAY
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) January 30, 2018
“It is an extraordinarily detailed, point-by-point rebuttal of unbelievably shoddy allegations on the Republican side. If it were to get voted out of committee for public release, I would be very surprised if Trump didn’t block its release.” https://t.co/B8bF93K4jK
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) January 30, 2018
Definitely a document that should be left behind at a copy machine.
re: #271 scottslemmons
I wish I could find this — I think it was on Facebook somewhere, and the author deleted it — but I’ve read that conservatives and Trump supporters in particular are fucking terrified of the Black Panther movie. A black superhero — headlining his own major motion picture — in a world where an African country is the most advanced on Earth? It’s a direct fuck-you to everything they’ve ever been told.
I wouldn’t bet against Trump eventually attacking the movie on Twitter. And therefore, I wouldn’t bet against the movie doing even better than anticipated as a result.
Which makes me want even more the rumors that T’Challa/Black Panther will be taking Tony Stark’s place as the organizing figure in the next phase of the Marvel Universe.
re: #287 jaunte
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Definitely a document that should be left behind at a copy machine.
Where is Julian Assange now that we need him?
re: #280 Ace Rothstein
It’s only 1.26% loss.
re: #287 jaunte
Definitely a document that should be left behind at a copy machine.
Not a chance now that this stays secret. Republicans are not honest brokers. No reason for business as usual.
re: #249 Ace-o-aces
Black Panther, the first big budget Superhero movie with a mostly black cast is coming out this weekend. It’s getting overwhelmingly positive reviews. Ben Shapiro has already decided this is a liberal conspiracy.
Glad Ben is focused like a laser beam on the important issues.
Nunes memo fallout dominating a separate hearing before House Judiciary, where Goodlatte and Nadler spar over the memo, and the GOP Chairman rejected effort to investigate the matter, saying it would interfere with other panels
— Manu Raju (@mkraju) January 30, 2018
re: #293 Sir John Barron
Glad Ben is focused like a laser beam on the important issues.
Gotta find something to whine about the next time he’s crying on a college campus. He really does suck as a commentator.
re: #249 Ace-o-aces
Black Panther, the first big budget Superhero movie with a mostly black cast is coming out this weekend. It’s getting overwhelmingly positive reviews. Ben Shapiro has already decided this is a liberal conspiracy.
He is just bitter that Will Smith didn’t get the lead.
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re: #291 jeffreyw
Where do you park your food truck?
re: #294 jaunte
Nunes memo fallout dominating a separate hearing before House Judiciary, where Goodlatte and Nadler spar over the memo, and the GOP Chairman rejected effort to investigate the matter, saying it would interfere with other panels
a memo about the alleged misdeeds of people investigating trump for misdeeds gets a hearings while trumps investigated misdeeds gets none?
re: #34 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
This has been going on for years now.
Parents who make their kids drink bleach, from VICE in 2015:
vice.com
Huffington Post 2012:
m.huffpost.com
Association for Science in Autism Therapy
asatonline.org
I’ve read “reports” from “parents” who have tried bleach on their autistic kids. These ” parents” go through their kids’ excrement and pull out pink strand they call works. Uh, no. That’s sloghed off intestinal lining, destroyed by the bleach.
I’m on the spectrum. I am HORRIFIED at children being tortured this way. And because kids with autism often have difficulty expressing themselves, I imagine these “parents” think everything’s just fine. It’s not!
re: #298 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
a memo about the alleged misdeeds of people investigating trump for misdeeds gets a hearings while trumps investigated misdeeds gets none?
Yep.
Welcome to the GOP Congress….
Also, we’re now living in a Universe where Poe’s Law has been made moot. Trump selling air time during the #SOTU is true. https://t.co/NrjEcD2dEg
— Phil Plait (@BadAstronomer) January 30, 2018
re: #301 mmmirele
This has been going on for years now.
Parents who make their kids drink bleach, from VICE in 2015:
vice.comHuffington Post 2012:
m.huffpost.comAssociation for Science in Autism Therapy
asatonline.orgI’ve read “reports” from “parents” who have tried bleach on their autistic kids. These ” parents” go through their kids’ excrement and pull out pink strand they call works. Uh, no. That’s sloghed off intestinal lining, destroyed by the bleach.
I’m on the spectrum. I am HORRIFIED at children being tortured this way. And because kids with autism often have difficulty expressing themselves, I imagine these “parents” think everything’s just fine. It’s not!
It’s scary.
.@Green_Footballs @aceoaces @chrysicat @teleskiguy #Insteadof_TRUMP_SOTU Sorry gotta clean the cat boxes, get a root canal, *add your own pic.twitter.com/s8nvVvAJ2U
— Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) January 30, 2018
A swarm of Russian bots is spamming Twitter with a bunch of idiotic conspiracies, including the claim they are “not Russian bots”
@TheJuanWilliams Juan, it is #WeThePeople and Certainly NOT Russian Bots! You know that is a fact Twitter confirmed… Why the Lies?! @Potus knows it is true and @seanhannity does too!!! pic.twitter.com/LUddIGWCCW
— Kodi (@kodiuser27) January 30, 2018
@TheJuanWilliams WE ARE AMERICAN PATRIOTS, WE ARE NOT BOTS! TODAY WE WILL PRESENT YOU WITH PROOF. #MEMESTORM We are NOT Russian BOTS! #ControlTheNarrative #SOTU @POTUS Engage The STORM Anons. God Speed! #TheResistance https://t.co/N1xPGD1sQN
— PassionatePachyderms #ReleaseTheMemo (@PithyPins) January 30, 2018
re: #289 Decatur Deb
Where is Julian Assange now that we need him?
Having a conversation with Shawn Hannity.
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re: #306 The Vicious Babushka
A swarm of Russian bots is spamming Twitter with a bunch of idiotic conspiracies, including the claim they are “not Russian bots”
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WTF.
I can’t wait until the NYT runs a review of Black Panther that’s just a mediocre white dude asking over and over again, “what if there was a White Panther”?
— awesome tweets done quick (@jesseltaylor) January 30, 2018
re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth
I can’t wait until the NYT runs a review of Black Panther that’s just a mediocre white dude asking over and over again, “what if there was a White Panther”?
All Panthers Matter
.@SpeakerRyan calls to ‘cleanse’ the @FBI, backs surveillance memo release https://t.co/Iw8Ex4Sr1u
— Fox News (@FoxNews) January 30, 2018
Woah. https://t.co/sug1WOD7l7
— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) January 30, 2018
re: #288 Belafon
Which makes me want even more the rumors that T’Challa/Black Panther will be taking Tony Stark’s place as the organizing figure in the next phase of the Marvel Universe.
Somewhat off-topic, but it drives me up the wall that Marvel is apparently planning on just writing characters out of the series when their actors move on to other projects. There’s no reason to dump Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor whenever Downey, Evans, and Hemsworth stop making Marvel movies. It’s not like they got rid of War Machine when Don Cheadle took over the role from Terrence Howard. I really doubt people would stop watching the movies if there was someone else under the CGI armor…
*barf*
Pruitt statement re @CoralMDavenport story: “After meeting him, and now having the honor of working for him, it is abundantly clear that President Trump is the most consequential leader of our time. No one has done more to advance the rule of law than President Trump”
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) January 30, 2018
re: #313 scottslemmons
Somewhat off-topic, but it drives me up the wall that Marvel is apparently planning on just writing characters out of the series when their actors move on to other projects.
Those are marketing and production decisions that film studios make relating to their products.
re: #316 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Obviously but it seems unnecessary.
A small mountain cat who escaped at a Salt Lake City zoo has been recaptured after two days on the lam. https://t.co/kfOGvAC9fZ
— The Associated Press (@AP) January 30, 2018
re: #306 The Vicious Babushka
A swarm of Russian bots is spamming Twitter with a bunch of idiotic conspiracies, including the claim they are “not Russian bots”
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Have you ever heard of a Russian Named “Peggy”?
re: #304 HappyWarrior
No, it’s child abuse. Look up Kerri Rivera (sp) sometime. She’s got blood on her hands up to the elbows. I’m sorry, but if you are a parent and know your child is on the autism spectrum, then you KNOW autism is neurological and can’t be cured. Worked with, yes. But it’s not a disease, hence no cure. And of you know this and give your child fucking industrial bleach, your ass belongs in prison.
re: #312 jaunte
I’m so old I can remember when the FBI was not my liberal friend.
re: #320 A Mom Anon
No, it’s child abuse. Look up Kerri Rivera (sp) sometime. She’s got blood on her hands up to the elbows. I’m sorry, but if you are a parent and know your child is on the autism spectrum, then you KNOW autism is neurological and can’t be cured. Worked with, yes. But it’s not a disease, hence no cure. And of you know this and give your child fucking industrial bleach, your ass belongs in prison.
Yeah it certainly is. Some parents just can’t accept their children being on the spectrum.
re: #280 Ace Rothstein
Dow -335 right now.
Any speculation (other than my own) as to why it is dipping today?
re: #323 ObserverArt
Any speculation (other than my own) as to why it is dipping today?
Dunno. Too busy watching Bitcoin drop 10%.
re: #286 Jay C
JFC! For some of us
old geezersveteran observers, this brings back unpleasant memories of the Vietnam Era: supposedly “objective” analyses of a military situation (/intervention/involvement) being either manipulated or ignored in order to “justify” a - probably misguided and/or counterproductive - policy.As I recall the story, in 1963 (?) President Kennedy sent both military (DoD) and civilian (DoS) delegations to South Vietnam to assess the state of that government’s counterinsurgency efforts. When they returned, Kennedy had them both to the WH to deliver a recap of their findings: and supposedly, when they done, asked them if they had even visited the same country…..
At least JFK listened to his “experts” - whatever his policy choices might have turned out to be - I shudder (as with most things) to imagine Trump in the same situation: he’d probably just hear the recaps, go on to regale them with golf stories and bragging about the stock market, then set policy via whoever was next in the room…
I bet Lindsey Graham and John McCain will be real pissed about this. Both being Vietnam familiar and all. They both will probably raise a hell of a ruckus and say this needs to be made clear as this is what they swore would never happen again!
Right?
re: #323 ObserverArt
Any speculation (other than my own) as to why it is dipping today?
Jeff Bezos said that he was going to do healthcare what he did to bookstores.
re: #323 ObserverArt
Now -397. Huge bond sell-offs as yield rates have risen.
re: #315 Backwoods_Sleuth
Hey, remember when Obama supporters were consistently trashed for treating him ‘like a Messiah’, even when prominent Dem supporters consistently criticized him for being too conciliatory toward Republicans who would rather spit in his hand than shake it?
Yeah….— Citizen K (@Citizen_Kryptik) January 30, 2018
re: #287 jaunte
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Definitely a document that should be left behind at a copy machine.
Or somehow mistakenly texted to a list of media members phones. Whoops!
re: #325 Amory Blaine
Lets be fair, it’s barely a euphemism at this point. Everyone knows what the fuck he means.
re: #323 ObserverArt
Any speculation (other than my own) as to why it is dipping today?
Profit taking.
Christie attacked reporters, refused to hold press conferences, clamped down on open records, was embroiled in Bridgegate & left office as America’s most unpopular gov. Hes now rewarded by the journalism industry with a job, while reporters get laid off. https://t.co/EgYn7ZYL5m
— David Sirota (@davidsirota) January 30, 2018
I get that media execs will never understand we don’t want more Republican commentators, but Christie left office polling in the teens, and was even rejected by the Trump transition.
I’m struggling to think of anyone — ANYONE — who would care what he has to say. Who’s this for? https://t.co/71VqB1aBqG— Matthew Chapman (@fawfulfan) January 30, 2018
re: #287 jaunte
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Definitely a document that should be left behind at a copy machine.
This is when I really wonder if anyone on our side can play this game. If this really doesn’t “see the light of day” right after the Nunes memo is released - they don’t.
re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth
It seems impossible for a Republican to not fail upward, unless they literally convicted for murder or something.
re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth
Christie was spectacularly awful in his final term in office. He left with zero credibility and yet he’s got a job with a media outlet as a political commentator.
Why?
Why is he not knitting?
Asking for a friend.
Seriously, there’s no way he should have a job considering how poorly he was polling in NJ. He couldn’t even get a job on sports talk radio - that’s how bad it is for him, and yet ABC gave him a spot?
And yet right wingers will caterwaul about how the media is all liberal. Bullshit. This is just more proof.
re: #338 Citizen K
It seems impossible for a Republican to not fail upward, unless they literally convicted for murder or something.
I’m sure it’d be okay if they shot someone on 5th Avenue.
RNC Not Ready to Return Wynn’s Donations
nope, no double standard
RNC chairwoman Ronna Romney McDaniel told Fox News that donations made by former finance chair Steve Wynn, who has been accused of sexually assaulting his employees, will only be returned if he’s found guilty.
bold mine
italics mine just for fun
re: #323 ObserverArt
Any speculation (other than my own) as to why it is dipping today?
The normal market cycle springing into action: the Chief Moron’s gibberings about the stock market notwithstanding, the equity market has been on a upward roll for quite a while: “natural” profit-taking is inevitable and likely.
And also (an unremarked factor I’ve noticed in recent years) - for an index measured (like the unrepresentative but universally noticed DJIA) in 20,000+ units, a 300-400-point selloff is less than half a percent on the net value. It looks a lot worse than it is: especially if the markets rebound over the next few trading sessions….
re: #330 Citizen K
Pruitt continued, “I have now rejected Christ and declared Trump my new lord and savior. Tonight, I shall sacrifice a small child as an offering to win his favor!”.
— aceoaces (@aceoaces) January 30, 2018
Speaker Paul Ryan (@SpeakerRyan) really just called on Congress to ‘cleanse’ the @FBI.
I call on America to “cleanse” the GOP by voting out all of these corrupt GOP Congressmen in the upcoming elections. #CleanseTheGOP #TuesdayThoughts— Ed Krassenstein (@EdKrassen) January 30, 2018
re: #341 dangerman
RNC Not Ready to Return Wynn’s Donations
nope, no double standard
bold mine
italics mine just for fun
Enjoy the high road, liberals!
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re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth
I hated to retweet Sirota today, but couldn’t pass this one up.
re: #288 Belafon
Which makes me want even more the rumors that T’Challa/Black Panther will be taking Tony Stark’s place as the organizing figure in the next phase of the Marvel Universe.
In the animated avengers series there is sort of a power struggle between Black Panther and Captain Marvel as to who is the leader of the avengers in the absence of Cap and Tony. They end up sort of settling on BP being the big picture guy and CM being the field general. I wouldn’t be surprised if the same thing plays out in the MCU.
re: #313 scottslemmons
Somewhat off-topic, but it drives me up the wall that Marvel is apparently planning on just writing characters out of the series when their actors move on to other projects. There’s no reason to dump Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor whenever Downey, Evans, and Hemsworth stop making Marvel movies. It’s not like they got rid of War Machine when Don Cheadle took over the role from Terrence Howard. I really doubt people would stop watching the movies if there was someone else under the CGI armor…
How many Spidermans have there been? How many Batmans?
re: #347 Amory Blaine
At this point, it’s not even about the high road. It’s about knowing that even if you tried, you’d get blamed and shat upon for doing even close to the same thing as the GOP did, and you’d never get forgiven for it, ever.
We’re fishing to run up the score because we can’t leave it in the ref’s hands. And the problem is ‘how’ to run up the score enough to keep it from being stolen from us again.
This may explain why the GOP and Shitler are going extra ape shit against the FBI
This explains a lot—> REVEALED: The FBI is assessing a second Trump-Russia dossier. https://t.co/Ijc9m9Lyx4
— Hope and Pray GOP Nazis/Alt-Right Get Ball Cancer (@DrMatthew) January 30, 2018
re: #306 The Vicious Babushka
A swarm of Russian bots is spamming Twitter with a bunch of idiotic conspiracies, including the claim they are “not Russian bots”
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I’ve seen more convincing arguments from Kik bots.
re: #340 scottslemmons
I’m sure it’d be okay if they shot someone on 5th Avenue.
you know i want to start morphing this into:
would it be ok if he/they shot you on 5th avenue or just some other poor slob?
re: #291 jeffreyw
Lunch!
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chicken and roasted poblanos
our “cruel and usual (daily) punishment”
Big drops in the crypto “market”.
coinmarketcap.com
re: #356 Amory Blaine
Big drops in the crypto “market”.
coinmarketcap.com
I’m hoping that “conning people into giving them money and running away”-coin shows people just how useless a non-government backed currency is.
Now we see why ABC has Christie:
Chris Christie now says Trump shouldn’t sit down with Mueller: “I don’t think there’s been any… credible allegations against the President.” (via ABC) pic.twitter.com/bDm4LzfMuq
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) January 30, 2018
Thread, having to do with a tweet that was posted earlier, and the woman’s mention of Hoarse in her thread.
Since that thing I wrote about the ouster of FBI Deputy Director McCabe is kinda blowing up my phone, I wanna layer on a little something…
There’s debate about how much fear is enough fear - and whether my appearance of relative calm is good, bad or otherwise.
1/— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) January 30, 2018
re: #350 sagehen
How many Spidermans have there been? How many Batmans?
Every time they introduced a new Spiderman they rebooted the series, every time they introduced a new batman it got worse and worse, until they rebooted with Christian Bale.
That is more of a correlation than causation though, Kilmer and Clooney just had shit stories and direction.
re: #354 dangerman
you know i want to start morphing this into:
would it be ok if he/they shot you on 5th avenue or just some other poor slob?
I asked above if anyone knew the names Roy Cockrum, Scott Comer and Eric Schoenberg. To answer my own question, they’re the poor slobs. They’re the DNC activists who had their emails stolen and published. They’re currently pursuing a lawsuit against the Trump campaign. But their names need to be put out there as the real life victims here. And whenever there’s mention of “the Memo” or “obstruction” or “attacks on the FBI”, there needs also be a mention that there are specific victims that these activities are aimed at. And it needs to be repeated “Americans don’t help foreign governments commit crimes against other Americans!”
I’m lost here. I might be reading this wrong, but is Wray suggesting McCabe left because he was going to get indicted for Buttery Mails? As in, he thinks McCabe was part of a legit conspiracy to help Hillary or some dumb shit like that?
In message to employees, FBI Director Wray suggests review of Clinton email probe tied to McCabe’s exit, according to copy of his message obtained by @NBCNews. https://t.co/VE8gmk7wTy
— NBC News (@NBCNews) January 30, 2018
re: #358 Citizen K
Now we see why ABC has Christie:
Where’s the evidence?!
Normal person: In a campaign speech DJT begged Russia to hack Hillary’s account, he and his sons met in the Trump Tower with Russians who promised ‘dirt on Hillary’, DJT fired Comey for continuing to investigate Flynn and Russian election interference, DJT admitted to the Russians he fired Comey to shutdown the investigation….
Debunked! Dossier! Unmasking! Purge the FBI, DOJ and Deep State!
re: #227 Interesting Times
Ugh, West Virginia is well and truly fucked in the head. And North Dakota is right behind them - that makes me nervous for both Manchin and Heitkamp (i.e. can they still win if Cheeto Benito’s approval ratings remain so high in those states come November?)
If a Democrat can win in Alabama, its possible to win anywhere, especially if the GOP cooperates and nominates a child molester.
re: #361 garzooma
I asked above if anyone knew the names Roy Cockrum, Scott Comer and Eric Schoenberg. To answer my own question, they’re the poor slobs. They’re the DNC activists who had their emails stolen and published. They’re currently pursuing a lawsuit against the Trump campaign. But their names need to be put out there as the real life victims here. And whenever there’s mention of “the Memo” or “obstruction” or “attacks on the FBI”, there needs also be a mention that there are specific victims that these activities are aimed at. And it needs to be repeated “Americans don’t help foreign governments commit crimes against other Americans!”
thanks. i totally missed it
re: #362 Citizen K
I’m lost here. I might be reading this wrong, but is Wray suggesting McCabe left because he was going to get indicted for Buttery Mails? As in, he thinks McCabe was part of a legit conspiracy to help Hillary or some dumb shit like that?
He wasn’t going to get indicted, just move to some other position, essentially a demotion.
Today, Congressman Paul Gosar contacted the U.S. Capitol Police, as well as Attorney General Jeff Sessions, asking they consider checking identification of all attending the State of the Union address and arresting any illegal aliens in attendance.
— Rep. Paul Gosar, DDS (@RepGosar) January 30, 2018
Over/Under on how many citizens would get ‘accidentally’ arrested and possibly un-personed if they pulled something like this? #ThisIsNotNormal #DACADreamers https://t.co/Gi0sW1VEqs
— Citizen K (@Citizen_Kryptik) January 30, 2018
re: #364 Big Beautiful Door
If a Democrat can win in Alabama, its possible to win anywhere, especially if the GOP cooperates and nominates a child molester.
True. There’s also this: America’s Most and Least Popular Senators
Starts off scary, but when you scroll down to the actual ratings…
Joe Manchin
Approve: 52%
Disapprove: 36%
Don’t know/no opinion: 18%
MOE: 2%
Heidi Heitkamp
Approve: 50%
Disapprove: 33%
Don’t know/no opinion: 17%
MOE: 4%
Today, Congressman Paul Gosar contacted the U.S. Capitol Police, as well as Attorney General Jeff Sessions, asking they consider checking identification of all attending the State of the Union address and arresting any illegal aliens in attendance.
— Rep. Paul Gosar, DDS (@RepGosar) January 30, 2018
A perfect representative of the heartless, soulless monsters that run the Republican Party. https://t.co/sqF5VWymOn
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 30, 2018
In other news: Maggie still simply Does Not Fucking Get It. Story at 11.
Sincere question 4 @maggieNYT and @amychozick - It’s always okay to blame HRC 4 things she’s done, hasn’t done, 4 things others have done or haven’t done, etc & u all will hammer on any minutiae 4 days, but @HardballChris does HRC rape joke, silence. He’s still employed by @MSNBC
— Kim (@kimfrederi) January 30, 2018
I’m genuinely asking - why is how she dealt with a case of harassment where two top advisers made a recommendation that she overruled not newsworthy? People can make their own judgments but why shouldn’t it even be reported? https://t.co/zODL6ad5B6
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) January 30, 2018
If Trump can’t enforce sanctions on Russia, then there’s no reason to enforce immigration laws.
re: #367 Citizen K
Today, Congressman Paul Gosar contacted the U.S. Capitol Police, as well as Attorney General Jeff Sessions, asking they consider checking identification of all attending the State of the Union address and arresting any illegal aliens in attendance.
— Rep. Paul Gosar, DDS (@RepGosar) January 30, 2018
Paul Gosar is a RWNJ who parrots Infowars Conspiracy theories as facts, such as the Nazi March in Charlottesville being a false flag attack set up by George Soros. He is a psychotic thug who wraps himself in the flag as he attacks American values. https://t.co/s1qSvww3ML
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) January 30, 2018
The Dreamers aren’t here illegally. They’ve been paying to stay ever since they became adults.
re: #357 Belafon
I’m hoping that “conning people into giving them money and running away”-coin shows people just how useless a non-government backed currency is.
“MadoffCoin”
Today, Congressman Paul Gosar contacted the U.S. Capitol Police, as well as Attorney General Jeff Sessions, asking they consider checking identification of all attending the State of the Union address and arresting any illegal aliens in attendance.
— Rep. Paul Gosar, DDS (@RepGosar) January 30, 2018
Will they be checking Melanoma Trump’s ID? #magahttps://t.co/vGNXHESZwu^tfw
— Hope and Pray GOP Nazis/Alt-Right Get Ball Cancer (@DrMatthew) January 30, 2018
Guardian reports a SECOND Trump Dossier by veteran journalist. Very similar to Steele Dossier. https://t.co/IxhClAEP2A
— Malcolm Nance (@MalcolmNance) January 30, 2018
Nunes: “We’re gonna need a bigger memo.”
re: #373 Belafon
Unfortunately, many people’s answer to that is “once an illegal, always an illegal”. Doesn’t matter if you have no choice, doesn’t matter if you’ve made yourself part of a program to ensure you’re a contributing member of society and squeaky clean in all regards, doesn’t matter if you have all your roots here and are a better ‘citizen’ than most natural-born folk in this country.
Your very existence is a crime to ‘Real Americans’, therefore you are literally less than a person and need to get the hell out now where you ‘really’ belong: anywhere but here.
re: #367 Citizen K
Speaking about oneself in third person is really…weird.
Just sayin’.— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) January 30, 2018
re: #377 Citizen K
Unfortunately, many people’s answer to that is “once an illegal, always an illegal”. Doesn’t matter if you have no choice, doesn’t matter if you’ve made yourself part of a program to ensure you’re a contributing member of society and squeaky clean in all regards, doesn’t matter if you have all your roots here and are a better ‘citizen’ than most natural-born folk in this country.
Your very existence is a crime to ‘Real Americans’, therefore you are literally less than a person and need to get the hell out now where you ‘really’ belong: anywhere but here.
Luckily, they’re in the minority. Sadly, a good chunk of them are in Congress.
re: #269 lawhawk
It’s already gonna be nuts considering that Wakanda is the most advanced society on the planet - and they’ve been hidden from the rest of the world on purpose.
The Eurocentric/America firsters - white supremacists/Nazis/KKK types will absolutely pitch a fit.
Fuck ‘em.
Wha? Wakanda is not a shithole?
re: #379 Belafon
Luckily, they’re in the minority. Sadly, a good chunk of them are in Congress.
Not just that, but it’s clear our political climate gives those voices a disproportionate amount of credence compared to all others. They end up literally the only voices those in power hear, not for lack of shouting from the other side, but simply because they’re given all the megaphones. They’re simply treated as the only voices that actually exist to the point that they may as well be.
Dow Jones down -348.06 (-1.32%)
re: #376 jaunte
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A little wiggle room:
The second memo was written by Cody Shearer, a controversial political activist and former journalist who was close to the Clinton White House in the 1990s.
Today @SpeakerRyan called for a stalinist purge of the @FBI and it’s not being treated as a scandal because America died one year ago.
— Photon Herder (@goddamnedfrank) January 30, 2018
GOP 2016: “We are the party of freedom and liberty.”
GOP 2018: “You have set off our melanin detectors. Papers please.”— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) January 30, 2018
Rick Wilson’s new piece at Daily Beast is pretty good: Trump Turns GOP Into a Conspiracy of Dunces
The Republican Party’s head-first dive into breathless conspiratorial fantasies in defense of Donald Trump is a brand-defining moment as the Party of Lincoln morphs into the Party of LaRouche. Listening as members of Congress, the Fox News/talk-radio world and the constellation of batshit-crazy people drawn to Esoteric Trumpism adopt increasingly baroque theories to protect The Donald isn’t just depressing; it’s tragic. A diseased slurry of fake news, post-Truth Trumpism, and Russkie agitprop infects the Republican Party. It’s an ebola of wild-eyed MK-ULTRA paranoiac raving, spreading to every organ of the Republican body politic.
This loon-centric new world of crazy talk has dissolved the old ideological skeleton of the GOP and reduced it from the Conservative Party of Ideas to the Crackpot Party of Infowars. Covering up the connections among Donald Trump, his campaign officials, and family members with Russia, and this president’s efforts to obstruct justice and derail special counsel Robert Mueller will come at a still-untallied cost to our nation, our institutions, and the dignity and reputation of the GOP. It’s going to get worse as Mueller closes in.
Last week, the ridiculous memo crafted by Fredo Nunes (R-Clownshow) and his staffers (is that you, Ezra Cohen-Watnick?) was the subject of hyperventilating conspiracy headlines across right-wing media. While breathless Republicans like Matt Gaetz (R-The Narcissus of Fox News) raced for the cameras screaming that this is a “worse than Watergate” bombshell, this fetid, steaming shitheap of lies, cherry-picked outrage-bait for the Fox booboisie, and crayon-scribble was full of tells that it was all Trump, and little truth. As they voted Monday night to release their version, while denying the Democrats the chance to release their rebuttal, the scam was clear. The first clue is that the memo is being rolled out as part of a PR effort so clumsy, obvious, ham-fisted, and covered in its own drool that it could only appeal to the most deluded Deep State fantasists. Naturally, it has been in more or less constant rotation on Fox News and the fever swamp of pro-Trump fake-news sites.
re: #382 Dr. Matt
Dow Jones down -348.06 (-1.32%)
What’s driving this? Healthcare stocks from the Buffet/Bezos/forgot the 3rd person initiative?
Schiff, putting in work.
News: @RepAdamSchiff sent a Dear Colleague letter to all House members this morning inviting them to view the Democrats’ rebuttal memo, which he says “corrects the record and supplies context and detail absent from” the Nunes memo.
Members can view it after signing an NDA. pic.twitter.com/WxDaQXGdqf— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) January 30, 2018
re: #387 MsJ
Apple is being probed by DOJ. bloomberg.com
I just wrote a mean missive to one Paul Ryan. I suggest everyone write him and let him know what you think of his latest actions of protecting Trump by calling out the FBI.
Will it do anything? Who knows? It is our right and in a way our duty. If you can bitch here you can bitch on his contact form…even as awkward as it is.
I know one thing, telling Ryan where he can put his Ayn Rand books to keep them out of the sunlight is downright therapeutic.
Here is the link: https://www.speaker.gov/contact
re: #388 makeitstop
Schiff, putting in work.
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I hope someone mistakenly releases it into the wild.
re: #387 MsJ
What’s driving this? Healthcare stocks from the Buffet/Bezos/forgot the 3rd person initiative?
Obama, Soros, Hillary, and librulz.
re: #378 MsJ
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Hey, he has Sarah Palin’s former lawyer pet poodle as his Chief of Staff, so…
re: #394 BeachDem
Hey, he has Sarah Palin’s former
lawyerpet poodle as his Chief of Staff, so…
Well that explains it. 🙄🙄🙄
The FBI’s secret plan to elect Hillary Clinton by holding a press conference to disparage her after she was cleared while denying the existence of a very real counterintelligence probe of her opponent’s campaign was really poorly executed.
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) January 30, 2018
re: #390 ObserverArt
Good for you. It’s okay to get it off your chest and let him know how you feel.
Will it make a difference? Not to that ogre. All he cares about is that his wealthy donors are happy with their tax cuts.
re: #362 Citizen K
I’m lost here. I might be reading this wrong, but is Wray suggesting McCabe left because he was going to get indicted for Buttery Mails? As in, he thinks McCabe was part of a legit conspiracy to help Hillary or some dumb shit like that?
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re: #398 Patricia Kayden
Good for you. It’s okay to get it off your chest and let him know how you feel.
Will it make a difference? Not to that ogre. All he cares about is that his wealthy donors are happy with their tax cuts.
No, no. He cares about killing social security, Medicare and our friends and family, too.
Ryan is a freaking ghoul.
re: #398 Patricia Kayden
Good for you. It’s okay to get it off your chest and let him know how you feel.
Will it make a difference? Not to that ogre. All he cares about is that his wealthy donors are happy with their tax cuts.
That is why I told him sticking the Rand books where the sun doesn’t shine won’t hurt a bit since he has already bent over enough for the Kochs and others.
I closed by saying I hoped the good people of Wisconsin figure out all Paulie is an establishment taker and not a maker.
I know it probably doesn’t get to Ryan. I always have a hope that those reading his comments get a feel for how much he is despised. Maybe it changes one of his staff.
And, politics is all about numbers. If Ryan and McConnell get bombarded by huge amounts of negative messages it lets them know where they stand. And it helps others know there a lot of folks that do not like what they are doing.
Besides…if I am going to complain, I am going to do where it needs to be directed.
re: #400 JordanRules
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He’s going to keep pushing until something breaks.
And I don’t think the FBI is gonna break. In some form or fashion, they will strike back.
Won’t be pretty.
An example of how this works:
GOP Memo: “The reports says there is ‘no evidence of collusion’.”
Actual report: “You would have to be stupid or corrupt to say that there is no evidence of collusion.”
GOP: “See? We didn’t lie.”— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) January 30, 2018
re: #400 JordanRules
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Because a person being able to testify on two different days is so fucking hard to pull off…
How is ABC Television allowed to have a show entitled “Blackish”? Can you imagine the furor of a show, “Whiteish”! Racism at highest level?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 1, 2014
How is Nabisco allowed to have a product called “crackers”? Can you imagine the furor if I tried to sell a line of chocolate cookies called [expletive deleted]! Racism at highest level? https://t.co/5wt4cjRnSg
— Floppy Boot Stomp (@the_edwin_mix) January 30, 2018
Ron Wydn, Senate Finance Committee Ranking Member, on the Treasury’s Russian oligarchs report: “Mr. Mnuchin’s lack of seriousness and subsequent refusal to take immediate action is both reckless and a dereliction of duty.” pic.twitter.com/1k1Yjso1dJ
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) January 30, 2018
re: #405 makeitstop
He’s going to keep pushing until something breaks.
And I don’t think the FBI is gonna break. In some form or fashion, they will strike back.
Won’t be pretty.
Just think how easy it is to keep all of the FBI findings stored digitally somewhere. Trump and The GOP gang can try to stop the investigation but they will never be able to stop the actual process of info gathering and compiling. This is not going to go away.
I’m pretty sure FBI folks have “ways” of making sure this continues and it all gets to the public.
re: #405 makeitstop
Yeah, keep fucking with the people who know where the bodies are buried. Smart move. I hope this blows up and takes down a bus load of these fucking smug assholes.
re: #410 Backwoods_Sleuth
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They really don’t care anymore. And we’re barely into year 2. I know November, 2020 is a fair ways off still, but these guys act like they are absolutely bullet proof—which is scary.
re: #413 Mike Lamb
They really don’t care anymore. And we’re barely into year 2. I know November, 2020 is a fair ways off still, but these guys act like they are absolutely bullet proof—which is scary.
It’s also how the might fall, thinking they are bulletproof.
re: #413 Mike Lamb
They act like that because in the “world of business” you can get away with all kinds of shitty shit and never be challenged. I doubt most of these spoiled fucks have ever been told no in their entire lives. Of course they’re cocky. That level of hubris makes people stupid, which works in our favor.
Multiple Facebook pages linked to a website based out of Kosovo are pretending to represent Native Americans and pushing out fake news stories: https://t.co/1ANUNoTYSe pic.twitter.com/UlkRBWY5RU
— Media Matters (@mmfa) January 30, 2018
Multiple Facebook pages are pretending to represent Native Americans and are pushing fake news stories. These pages, which have at least 1.1 million followers combined, are apparently linked to multiple fake news websites based in Kosovo. And at least one of those pages has been verified by Facebook. (my bold)
Since 2016, Facebook has been forced to reckon with foreign manipulation of its platform for both geo-political and monetary ends. While Russia and Macedonia are generally considered countries from where some of the largest quantity of fake news is generated, Kosovo is another major source. Media Matters identified at least eight Facebook pages that claim to represent Native Americans but have actually been used to push fake news stories from websites registered in Kosovo. Those pages include:
Native American Apache (two pages with same name);
Apache Native Americans (two pages with same name);
Cherokee Native Americans;
Native Americans Proud;
Native Americans Cherokee;
and Pawnee Native Americans.
re: #412 A Mom Anon
Yeah, keep fucking with the people who know where the bodies are buried. Smart move. I hope this blows up and takes down a bus load of these fucking smug assholes.
The one thing that keeps me going these days is the belief that the people in federal law enforcement take their oath seriously, and they will not let this gang of thieves off the hook.
There are no doubt an awful lot of career professionals in both the FBI and CIA that are keeping score on all this shit Trump is dumping on them. And sooner or later, settling up is going to happen.
It might not even happen to ‘President’ Trump, but to ‘citizen’ Trump somewhere down the road. Revenge is a dish best served cold, after all.
Does the @cityofhamilton know @AlipaPatel (who works for them) is stating this photo is “staged”? On the anniversary of the worst shooting in a house of worship in 🇨🇦 history? Is this the position of City of Hamilton @FredEisenberger @Inspirehamilton? cc @nccm @BernieFarber pic.twitter.com/A5KcDxHFyi
— Sulemaan Ahmed (@sulemaan) January 30, 2018
As we gathered last night with our friends/neighbours from our Muslim community to #RememberJan29 ,a deeply disappointing/callous comment was posted by a colleague of mine. I will draw on the wisdom/compassion of Imam Tora to invite her to educate herself #YourLastWalkintheMosque https://t.co/tmQYbUi3pZ
— Matthew Green (@MGreenWard3) January 30, 2018
My senator.
We passed Russia mandatory sanctions 517 to 5 and instead of implementing them, POTUS is sitting on his tiny hands.
— Martin Heinrich (@MartinHeinrich) January 30, 2018
Trade protectionism keeps screwing over the residents of Clarksville, TN, who worry Trump’s new washing machine tariffs will cost it a planned LG factory https://t.co/vsktCxvNdY
— Lachlan Markay (@lachlan) January 30, 2018
Time for another piece on disappointed Trump voters.
re: #422 jaunte
Turns out, there’s a lot of those, after all:
New polling on that first year of Trump shows that the President has a lot of work to do in bringing the country together. There are just 12 states where Trump’s job approval rating was above 50% for the entirety of 2017. That pales in comparison to the 41 states where then-President Barack Obama was above 50% approval for his first year on office.
He’s under 40% in Texas of all fucking places.
Nothing to see here, just a Republican running for office who has compiled a list of Jewish enemies…
14/ I’ve compiled a list of “verified” Twitter users who have attacked me *in just the last month alone* for my #AmericaFirst positions. Of those 81 people, 74 are Jews, while only 7 are non-Jews. Here is the list: pic.twitter.com/2pQlEp0RjU
— Paul Nehlen (@pnehlen) January 30, 2018
.@TwitterSupport you cool with someone listing Jews for the purposes of targeted attacks on here or nah? https://t.co/NAISlkTn7M
— Sleeping Giants (@slpng_giants) January 30, 2018
re: #424 bratwurst
General rule, you refer to Jewish people as “Jews”, I immediately stop taking you seriously as anything other than a neo-nazi sympathizer.
Today, Congressman Paul Gosar contacted the U.S. Capitol Police, as well as Attorney General Jeff Sessions, asking they consider checking identification of all attending the State of the Union address and arresting any illegal aliens in attendance.
— Rep. Paul Gosar, DDS (@RepGosar) January 30, 2018
I’d like to see the Capitol police arrest anyone who refers to himself by the third person in a tweet. https://t.co/dQMQjjNPGv
— Ben Mankiewicz (@BenMank77) January 30, 2018
re: #424 bratwurst
Nothing to see here, just a Republican running for office who has compiled a list of Jewish enemies…
Now that I know he needs more non-Jews, I’ll help balance things out when I get home.
I’m imagining Dr. Seuss spinning in his grave.
re: #422 jaunte
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Time for another piece on disappointed Trump voters.
I hope the NY Times and Nicole from MSNBC hurry up and get to those folks to get a feel for how they feel about Trump now.
By the way…Lawrence O’Donnell had a disappointed Trump voter from Indiana on last night. Hopefully she is expressing all the same with her friends and family. Upset Trumpers can be soldiers for the next election.
Some that don’t get MSNBC might like to see this.
re: #429 Eclectic Cyborg
Dreamers and Hispanics.
There’s a lot of farmers and businesspeople who are being hurt by his policies, and a lot of us have Latino neighbors.
re: #423 KGxvi
Turns out, there’s a lot of those, after all:
He’s under 40% in Texas of all fucking places.
Some of them don’t think he’s conservative enough, for real. Others are disappointed that he won’t stop chemtrail spraying or admit the Moon landings were ‘shopped or order USGS to stop claiming the Earth is round.
re: #428 ObserverArt
I hope the NY Times and Nicole from MSNBC hurry up and get to those folks to get a feel for how they feel about Trump now.
By the way…Lawrence O’Donnell had a disappointed Trump voter from Indiana on last night. Hopefully she is expressing all the same with her friends and family. Upset Trumpers can be soldiers for the next election.
Some that don’t get MSNBC might like to see this.
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I guarantee you now that 90% of ‘Trump voters upset by Trump’ will vote Trump again in 2020.
Of those that don’t, 90%+ will have convinced themselves of the excuses that the NYT and others have given them - that voting Trump was a perfectly understandable thing to do and doesn’t reflect on them at all - and will vote enthusiastically for the next fascist the Republicans put forward.
The 1% of ‘Trump voters upset by Trump’ that actually vote differently will be those that stopped watching FOX for whatever reason.
By all means, we should be hopeful. I encourage it. But such hopes cannot include the idea that Trump voters will change their minds. It’s like believing in chemtrails and unicorns. Do not go down that road, there is only disappointment there.
re: #323 ObserverArt
Amazon, Berkshire Hathaway and JP Morgan Chase are announcing a new Healt Insurance initiative that has sent the stocks of United Healthcare, Aetna and others into the tank.
Yet another shaman from the Temple of the Golden Calf, Bat Guano denomination.
I wish I could feel bad for these people but I can’t. They were warned. They didn’t want to listen. They just dismissed any criticism of Trump. I don’t want them to suffer but of people I feel bad for, they ain’t it.
re: #428 ObserverArt
I hope the NY Times and Nicole from MSNBC hurry up and get to those folks to get a feel for how they feel about Trump now.
By the way…Lawrence O’Donnell had a disappointed Trump voter from Indiana on last night. Hopefully she is expressing all the same with her friends and family. Upset Trumpers can be soldiers for the next election.
Some that don’t get MSNBC might like to see this.
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My problem with that woman is she was fine with Trump until he personally screwed her over.
Lawrence should have asked if she’d vote for Trump again. I get the feeling that she would have said she would if she got her job back.
re: #432 Renaissance_Man
I guarantee you now that 90% of ‘Trump voters upset by Trump’ will vote Trump again in 2020.
Of those that don’t, 90%+ will have convinced themselves of the excuses that the NYT and others have given them - that voting Trump was a perfectly understandable thing to do and doesn’t reflect on them at all - and will vote enthusiastically for the next fascist the Republicans put forward.
The 1% of ‘Trump voters upset by Trump’ that actually vote differently will be those that stopped watching FOX for whatever reason.
By all means, we should be hopeful. I encourage it. But such hopes cannot include the idea that Trump voters will change their minds. It’s like believing in chemtrails and unicorns. Do not go down that road, there is only disappointment there.
I agree, but keep in mind also that the real hard-core of Trump supporters is 25% of the electorate, maximum.
Also, being hopeful isn’t enough. The demonstrated way to get people to vote is personal contact — phone banking, canvassing, talking to people in malls, and that’s what we’ve been neglecting. Start now.
re: #115 Belafon
Thoughts about various conversations here on LGF yesterday:
“Democrats need to do better at messaging. Make it simple and stick to it.”
“Nunes’ memo is like Al Capone’s vault: There’s nothing there.” - Ted Lieu
“That’s a bad analogy because it doesn’t quite map to what’s going on.”This is why Democrats don’t have a simple message.
I made a comment that wasn’t about messaging, you responded to it, and I responding in the same vein as my first comment.
At absolutely no point was I discussing Democratic messaging.
I always write long form, because my group I’m interested in interacting with is the board.
And, yes, I’m offended.
re: #436 makeitstop
My problem with that woman is she was fine with Trump until he personally screwed her over.
Lawrence should have asked if she’d vote for Trump again. I get the feeling that she would have said she would if she got her job back.
I get the feeling from many of those ‘disaffected Trump supporters’ that all they really need to do is distract them a bit more by punching down at a few minorities and pretending that this, THIS, will be the thing that brings their jobs back, and they’ll all be copacetic.
re: #436 makeitstop
My problem with that woman is she was fine with Trump until he personally screwed her over.
Lawrence should have asked if she’d vote for Trump again. I get the feeling that she would have said she would if she got her job back.
Exactly. That’s why I don’t feel bad. They don’t feel bad for the DREAMERS or others who live life in fear. I’m sorry she lost her job but not much sympathy.
Haven’t been around lately, but wanted to drop this in here.
My At-Large City Councillor Ayanna Pressley is running to unseat Rep Capuano in MA7. MA7 is my states only minority majority district.
“Making progress on longstanding challenges requires a different lens and a new approach,” she said. “I will be a bold voice in Congress, as an advocate for the entire district and as a champion for opportunity. This moment in time demands nothing less.”
Pressely was Boston’s first black city councillor and her mother was an activist that worked as an advocate for tenants rights in Chicago.
Fun fact, at Ayanna’s mom’s funeral, then Senator John Kerry read the following (in part):
“Sandra was an amazing gift who came into our lives through the daughter she loved with all her heart,” Senator John F. Kerry said in a statement read at her funeral. “Sandra was a woman of immense faith, and sometimes I think she spent more time praying for me than I’d prayed for anything… . Sandra prayed for me in good times and bad. She called and told me she was praying for me when I ran for president and again when I found I was diagnosed with cancer.”
re: #439 Citizen K
I get the feeling from many of those ‘disaffected Trump supporters’ that all they really need to do is distract them a bit more by punching down at a few minorities and pretending that this, THIS, will be the thing that brings their jobs back, and they’ll all be copacetic.
Only if some of them get their jobs back. If they keep hearing the same thing and their jobs don’t come back, they’re likely to at least stay home for the elections.
re: #438 The Ghost of a Flea
I made a comment that wasn’t about messaging, you responded to it, and I responding in the same vein as my first comment.
At absolutely no point was I discussing Democratic messaging.
I always write long form, because my group I’m interested in interacting with is the board.
And, yes, for once I’m offended.
You did talk about how his comment was simplistic. And others have made the point that Democrats have trouble doing simple messages. We understand that issues are complex, which makes it hard to get messages into sound bites. My point was that there are a lot of people that know that “Capone’s vault” is a euphemism for when something is built up as a big deal, and then nothing was there. It’s a simple message to stick to.
And my comment above is about all of the stuff I’d read.
re: #442 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.
But that’s just the thing: how long and how many times do they need to get rolled by Trump and Co.’s promises before they start taking a ‘believe it when I see it’ approach? Seems like many of these will be just fine being told ‘the jobs will come back soon as this passes’.
Pre-SOTU:
Thanks to Trump
-2017 was the worst year of job growth since 2010
-3 million more people uninsured
-Wages are stagnant
-Tourism to the US decreased by $4.6 billion, costing 40,000 jobs.
-Annual deficit back to levels we haven’t seen since the recession— Nunca Trump (@NeverTrumpTexan) January 30, 2018
re: #442 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.
Only if some of them get their jobs back. If they keep hearing the same thing and their jobs don’t come back, they’re likely to at least stay home for the elections.
I don’t believe that, and I don’t think you should either. All evidence shows that they will vote exactly as they are told to by FOX, whether they have a job or not, or quite frankly even if Trump were to personally murder one of their family members.
The number of Trump votes will increase in 2020, not decrease. I expect that the number of Democratic votes will also increase as well, by a greater number, but getting more votes does not necessarily win elections for Democrats.
re: #435 HappyWarrior
I wish I could feel bad for these people but I can’t. They were warned. They didn’t want to listen. They just dismissed any criticism of Trump. I don’t want them to suffer but of people I feel bad for, they ain’t it.
Should a person be punished for showing no consideration towards an idiot behaving like an idiot? - jo nesbo
re: #436 makeitstop
My problem with that woman is she was fine with Trump until he personally screwed her over.
Lawrence should have asked if she’d vote for Trump again. I get the feeling that she would have said she would if she got her job back.
so she’s good as long as its someone else who gets shot on 5th avenue - re: #354 dangerman
re: #446 Renaissance_Man
I don’t believe that, and I don’t think you should either. All evidence shows that they will vote exactly as they are told to by FOX, whether they have a job or not, or quite frankly even if Trump were to personally murder one of their family members.
The number of Trump votes will increase in 2020, not decrease. I expect that the number of Democratic votes will also increase as well, by a greater number, but getting more votes does not necessarily win elections for Democrats.
I’m trying to be good here.
But I have to ask; where do you get off telling people what they should believe?
What good are you doing with saying stuff like that?
I almost get the feeling you want people to give up. What other reason is there for saying that to another member?
re: #449 ObserverArt
I’m trying to be good here.
But I have to ask; where do you get off telling people what they should believe?
What good are you doing with saying stuff like that?
I almost get the feeling you want people to give up. What other reason is there for saying that to another member?
It’s not meant as a challenge. It’s the same warning I gave you - don’t expect Trump voters to change their votes. That can’t be a consideration, because it’s not realistic. Nor do I want people to give up, quite the contrary. But we also can’t go telling ourselves comforting fictions like the idea that Trump voters might change.
re: #435 HappyWarrior
I wish I could feel bad for these people but I can’t. They were warned. They didn’t want to listen. They just dismissed any criticism of Trump. I don’t want them to suffer but of people I feel bad for, they ain’t it.
Blinded By Hillary, blinded by hate.The blind led the blind to a damn dark corner.
re: #444 Citizen K
But that’s just the thing: how long and how many times do they need to get rolled by Trump and Co.’s promises before they start taking a ‘believe it when I see it’ approach? Seems like many of these will be just fine being told ‘the jobs will come back soon as this passes’.
At least once. We’re talking about people who hadn’t been rolled by Trump yet when they voted the last time..
re: #446 Renaissance_Man
The number of Trump votes will increase in 2020, not decrease. I expect that the number of Democratic votes will also increase as well, by a greater number, but getting more votes does not necessarily win elections for Democrats.
Evidence?
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