Holocaust Denier Chuck C. Johnson Admits Denying the Holocaust, but Says It Was a Cunning Scheme to Do… Something

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Florida Republican representative Matt Gaetz, who invited Holocaust denying white supremacist Chuck C. Johnson (who is NOT ME) to Donald Trump’s State of the Union address, went on the radio this morning and once again denied that Johnson is a Holocaust denier.

Speaking on NewsRadio 1620, Gaetz said he now thinks he should have vetted Johnson more carefully and wouldn’t invite him to an event like this again, but he’s still pushing the obviously false claim that Johnson is a victim of a smear campaign and isn’t actually a Holocaust denier.

Gaetz said, “I think that labeling Mr. Johnson a denier of the Holocaust has been met with skepticism from people who have dedicated a substantial portion of their lives to Holocaust remembrance.” He claims the founder of the Republican Jewish Coalition is going to release a statement defending Johnson as well.

Gaetz may be making this absurdly false claim because of the post Johnson put up on his Facebook account yesterday. Johnson is just returning from his latest 30-day Facebook suspension for hate speech, and in this post he admits he did make these statements on Reddit (after claiming previously that they were “doctored” and he never said them):

justacolyte:
what are your thoughts on the Holocaust, WW2, and the JQ in general? [“JQ” is a white supremacists’ abbreviation for “Jewish Question.” – ed.]

ChuckCJohnson:
I do not and never have believed the six million figure. I think the Red Cross numbers of 250,000 dead in the camps from typhus are more realistic. I think the Allied bombing of Germany was a ware crime. I agree with David Cole about Auschwitz and the gas chambers not being real. I read the German War (highly recommend), Bloodlands, Mein Kampf, and all of David Irving. I’m more or less of the view that the war was an outgrowth of the efforts of communism to spread itself throughout the world. I also believe that the fears of German extermination were not misplaced, especially in light of the Ukrainian famine. But I support Israel as a Jewish state and Zionism as a concept. I’m pro-ethno state, generally. I understand why and how Hitler rose to power but think too much of our focus on World War II is spent trying to understand Hitler and not enough is spent trying to understand Weimar. Mecius Moldbug, aka Curtis Yarvin, is right. America is a communist country.

Here’s the archived copy for reference.

Johnson’s Facebook post is very long and barely coherent, and since he tends to delete or edit things like this, here’s journalist Will Sommer’s screen capture of the whole thing, posted on Twitter:

That’s right, folks — it’s the threadbare “I was just trolling” excuse used by right wingers whenever they’re caught doing something awful.

Johnson says:

Over the last few years I have financed a project studying the various tech companies and their commitments to free speech against fake hate speech. I began this process several years ago when I joined a group of likeminded individuals committed to getting Ellen Pao fired from Reddit over her reluctance to embrace free speech. In that instance as in this one anti-Semitic language trended to the top of Reddit and lead ultimately to her firing.

It’s almost comical how transparently ludicrous this is. Ellen Pao left Reddit on July 9, 2015. Chuck’s Holocaust denial post was on January 26, 2017. But even better — by publicly stating he deliberately violated Twitter’s terms of service, he’s effectively torpedoed his own lawsuit against them.

What would lead the other tech companies to suspend accounts? Do they have any limits?

I set about finding them, getting myself kicked off or suspended on platform after platform to learn how their algorithms worked.

But let’s face it — Chuck C. Johnson has left a long trail of evidence all over the internet that he’s a genuine dyed-in-the-wool white supremacist. He’s written for white supremacist publications, raised money for white supremacist causes, attended white supremacist gatherings and events, made numerous racist statements, and on July 23, 2016 he appeared on the white supremacist podcast “Fash the Nation” (“fash” is alt-right slang for “fascism”) and made a string of antisemitic and racist comments.

Here’s one example from that appearance, in which Johnson says black people are “dumber” than whites.

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And all of that is just the tip of the iceberg. His history of racism and antisemitism is very long and very ugly. If he’s really engaged in a super-secret trolling campaign to reveal the limits of free speech, he’s been at it for most of his adult life.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:16:53pm
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Kragar  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:17:31pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:18:37pm

We have gone from the realm of Fake News into Fake History.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:18:41pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:19:28pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:19:54pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

W/ all due respect Rep Matt Gaetz, how can u say Charles Johnson “is not a #whitesupremacist” when he made $20K in profit raising $159K+ for notorious neo-nazi Andrew Anglin’s legal fees?

there is no respect due here

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:21:06pm

re: #2 Kragar

#somuchwinning

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:21:28pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:21:45pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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lawhawk  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:22:01pm

Rage Furby blocked me (before he got banned) for me pointing out that his “exploring different views” is a convenient and bullshit excuse to be a white supremacist and bigot.

It’s the same position he’s adopting here.

And it’s still bullshit.

You don’t run in the circles with white supremacists and neo Nazis day in and day out spewing the same garbage as they do every day and not be a white supremacist and bigot.

You don’t deny the Holocaust because you’re merely exploring different views. You’re actively denying historical fact. That makes him a bigot, crank, and conspiracy theorist who needs to be exposed for what he is, and Gaetz needs to be exposed for his own brand of bullshit.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:22:44pm

So does that make Gaetz a Holocaust Denier denier?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:23:01pm

I wonder how much of a tank in the stock market it would take for Trumps corporate buddies to bail on him?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:24:21pm

re: #1 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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You gotta admire that.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:26:11pm

re: #11 bill d. (b.d.)

So does that make Gaetz a Holocaust Denier denier?

Yes, and it makes UpChuck a Holocaust denying denier who’s going to lose his Nazi friends, the only people who will put up with him.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:26:51pm

OT but we’re barely a month into Virginia’s new Legislative session and Danica Roem is already awesome and standing up for all her constituents rather than just being a hateful asshole like her predecessor:

lis.virginia.gov

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Kragar  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:28:22pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:29:36pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:29:50pm

I am here for every possible way to mock Tom Brady.

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:29:57pm

I pretty much figured the runup of the stock market over the last couple of weeks was the due to the tax cut. People were trying to get in so they could “earn” some of the money the tax cut “freed” up.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:30:58pm

re: #18 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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I am here for every possible way to mock Tom Brady.

There’s no individual I like watching lose more.

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calochortus  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:31:14pm

Now that much of the stock market excitement appears to be over, I must go get some stuff done.
BBL

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:31:48pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:32:02pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

There’s no individual I like watching lose more.

mr. klys is the most sports-apathetic person I have ever met.

He was rooting against Tom Brady.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:34:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:34:31pm

re: #23 klys (maker of Silmarils)

mr. klys is the most sports-apathetic person I have ever met.

He was rooting against Tom Brady.

He’s so easy to dislike IMO. I mean once upon a time he was a nice underdog story but not anymore. Man am I glad the Superb Owl ended the way it did. I really like a lot of the Eagles players too. Torrey Smith is fairly local, Chris Long is a UVA guy and a great guy, and they have others too.

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Skip Intro  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:37:22pm

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:37:41pm

re: #25 HappyWarrior

He’s so easy to dislike IMO. I mean once upon a time he was a nice underdog story but not anymore. Man am I glad the Superb Owl ended the way it did. I really like a lot of the Eagles players too. Torrey Smith is fairly local, Chris Long is a UVA guy and a great guy, and they have others too.

I know lots of folks from PA, so I guess I am pleased, even as a person who has not followed pro football since childhood

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Sir John Barron  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:38:04pm

re: #24 FormerDirtDart

Treasonous, just treasonous.

//

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:38:30pm

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I know lots of folks from PA, so I guess I am pleased, even as a person who has not followed pro football since childhood

To me what I think makes Brady easy to dislike is he comes off smug to me, the Pats reputation of cheating, and oh yeah loves him some Trump.

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lawhawk  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:39:30pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:39:31pm

Hey, so apparently Trump just said this:

Dude, L’etat sure ain’t vous.

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S'latch  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:39:47pm

So, he’s basically saying “LOL JK BRB”

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:40:10pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:40:47pm

re: #33 FormerDirtDart

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Like clockwork.

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Skip Intro  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:41:00pm

re: #33 FormerDirtDart

Nobody outdoes stupid like Alex Jones.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:42:17pm
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austin_blue  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:42:31pm


@RealAlexJones
Is the historic -1500 DOW drop a false flag by the big banks? Should we investigate Goldman Sachs?!
2:38 PM - Feb 5, 2018

It’s the Joooz!!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:42:51pm

re: #33 FormerDirtDart

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LMAO.

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Skip Intro  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:43:56pm

re: #36 FormerDirtDart

Here’s another stat: If you have money in the stock market and need it soon, you’re fucked.

Thanks, Trump.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:44:46pm

...

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:45:21pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

Fuck it, gotta learn to read the whole tweet.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:45:45pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

Slightly deceptive in that we shouldn’t be comparing points but percentage. Still, not a good day.

as soon as it bottoms out and starts moving up, we will hear from Trump again about how much it has gained…

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:45:51pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:47:16pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:47:59pm

re: #42 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

as soon as it bottoms out and starts moving up, we will hear from Trump again about how much it has gained…

Trump will claim he sold out at the very top and did very, very well. And no one will think there’s anything wrong with that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:48:05pm

re: #43 FormerDirtDart

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That’s an understatement. I’d love to give Trump a citizenship test.

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Kragar  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:48:09pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:48:16pm
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Belafon  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:49:20pm

re: #33 FormerDirtDart

Trump can’t afford to lose any more cabinet members.

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lawhawk  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:49:53pm

re: #47 Kragar

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Charles Johnson  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:50:24pm
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lawhawk  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:50:49pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:50:56pm

re: #26 Skip Intro

Trump Considering Firing Dow Jones Industrial Average

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—After watching it suffer its worst losses since he became President, Donald Trump is “seriously considering” firing the Dow Jones industrial Average, aides have confirmed.

According to the aides, Trump is “furious” at the D.J.I.A. for going down so precipitously and believes that it has treated him “very unfairly.”

“Increasingly, the President has become convinced that the Dow Jones Industrial Average is not on his team,” one aide said. “Seeing the negative Dow numbers in the corner of the TV screen has been wrecking eleven hours of every day for him.”

***

“The Dow Jones Industrial Average is a disgrace, and it should be very, very ashamed of itself,” he said.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:51:33pm

re: #47 Kragar

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Freep is on top of it. Not saying it was the Rothschilds, but it was the Rothschilds.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:51:58pm

re: #49 Belafon

Is the historic -1500 DOW drop a false flag by the big banks? Should we investigate Goldman Sachs?!

— Alex Jones

“Hello Mister Goldman Sachs, if that is indeed your real name, we’re here to investigate the stock market drop. Can we look at your finance books or something?”

/

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:52:34pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart

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Where, the Super-Supreme Court?

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:52:40pm

Ten minutes to closing and it’s back to -1042.

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Kragar  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:52:55pm
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Sir John Barron  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:53:08pm

re: #31 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, so apparently Trump just said this:

Dude, L’etat sure ain’t vous.

Remember when Obama locked all the conservatives up in FEMA camps, though?

///

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Skip Intro  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:53:09pm

re: #54 Decatur Deb

Freep is on top of it. Not saying it was the Rothschilds, but it was the Rothschilds.

Soros. George Soros is behind it, along with Alinsky.

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lawhawk  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:53:40pm

re: #55 Sir John Barron

I’ve got a few Goldman Sachs that you can investigate:

James Donavan, Gary Cohn, Dina Powell, Steven Mnuchin and former White House chief strategist Stephen Bannon.

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Skip Intro  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:53:50pm

re: #59 Sir John Barron

Remember when Obama locked all the conservatives up in FEMA camps, though?

///

Maybe he should have done that.

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Kragar  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:54:51pm
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Jack Burton  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:56:04pm

re: #33 FormerDirtDart

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“False Flag”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:56:21pm

re: #59 Sir John Barron

Remember when Obama locked all the conservatives up in FEMA camps, though?

///

Imagine if someobody’d done a Joe Wilson and shouted ‘You Lie!”

Of course, it would be hard to choose JUST ONE lie out of so many.

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fern01  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:56:51pm

re: #58 Kragar

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Republicans - can always be depended on to change the rules to suit their current situation. Why anyone thinks they are good money managers is beyond my understanding. Republicans create deficits (tax cut anyone) which the media conveniently ignore, until a democrat is in charge - suddenly deficits are bad.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:57:40pm
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makeitstop  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:58:25pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart

After SCOTUS rejects application for stay in PA partisan gerrymandering case, top Republicans say they “may be compelled to pursue further legal action in federal court.”

Am I being stupid, or are the Supremes the last stop on that line?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:58:28pm

Obviously, the markets are over-regulated.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:59:04pm

re: #61 lawhawk

I’ve got a few Goldman Sachs that you can investigate:

James Donavan, Gary Cohn, Dina Powell, Steven Mnuchin and former White House chief strategist Stephen Bannon.

Fox News will claim they all donated to Democrats once upon a time.

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Targetpractice  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:59:26pm

DOW set to wipe out all gains made since the year began, and after weeks of hailing those gains as “proof” that the “Trump economy” was a winner, his supporters are now arguing that such shifts in the market aren’t a big deal.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:59:35pm

re: #68 makeitstop

Am I being stupid, or are the Supremes the last stop on that line?

I think the only think left is the Burrito Supreme Court.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 5, 2018 • 12:59:57pm

re: #70 Sir John Barron

Fox News will claim they all donated to Democrats once upon a time.

Many associate with Democratic au pairs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:00:15pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

There’s no individual I like watching lose more.

well, be honest…there’s at least ONE other person…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:01:36pm

Not quite down 1200 for the day. That’s the whole month of January’s gains gone.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:02:06pm

re: #65 Blind Frog Belly White

Imagine if someobody’d done a Joe Wilson and shouted ‘You Lie!”

Of course, it would be hard to choose JUST ONE lie out of so many.

“You lie! A lot. In fact, according to Washington Post’s fact checker, you lie 6.5 times a day!” That would be such a Democratic thing to shout.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:02:32pm

re: #45 Skip Intro

Trump will claim he sold out at the very top and did very, very well. And no one will think there’s anything wrong with that.

because they admire him as a savvy businessman

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Decatur Deb  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:02:35pm

re: #75 Blind Frog Belly White

Not quite down 1200 for the day. That’s the whole month of January’s gains gone.

Just dollars fleeing to Bitcoin for safety.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:03:15pm

re: #56 Blind Frog Belly White

Where, the Super-Supreme Court?

The Star Chamber

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:05:05pm

re: #76 Barefoot Grin

“You lie! A lot. In fact, according to Washington Post’s fact checker, you lie 6.5 times a day!” That would be such a Democratic thing to shout.

WHAT DO WE WANT?!?

Equality for women, LGBTQ folks, and minorities; a strong social safety net; strong labor; universal healthcare; a foreign policy based on mutually beneficial alliances!

WHEN DO WE WANT IT?!?

As soon as reasonably achievable!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:05:46pm

re: #79 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Star Chamber

Summon the Peers of the Realm!

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:06:12pm

The one time in his life that Bill Mitchell is correct. What matters is percentage change not absolute dollar change. Let’s see what happens over the next several months. It’s certainly possible that the realization that the deficit is skyrocketing has spooked some in the market. Or it’s the usual temporary market correction.

For those of us who lived through 1987, there was a huge one day drop and then the market recovered by the end of the year.

Sigh — and I’m retiring in June. No pension — all 401(k)

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:07:27pm

re: #61 lawhawk

I’ve got a few Goldman Sachs that you can investigate:

James Donavan, Gary Cohn, Dina Powell, Steven Mnuchin and former White House chief strategist Stephen Bannon.

Damn…missed that in the middle of the night

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Dave In Austin  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:08:07pm

Just kinda makes me smile….

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:08:17pm

re: #33 FormerDirtDart

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Sir John Barron  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:09:29pm

re: #84 Dave In Austin

Just kinda makes me smile….

Man, I don’t like the Eagles. Don’t go making me have positive feelings for this team from Dilly Philly…..

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Sir John Barron  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:10:36pm

re: #56 Blind Frog Belly White

Where, the Super-Supreme Court?

A special People’s Court with former Milwaukee Sheriff what’s his face guy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:12:29pm

re: #87 Sir John Barron

A special People’s Court with former Milwaukee Sheriff what’s his face guy.

The Pimple’s Court.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:14:20pm

re: #86 Sir John Barron

Man, I don’t like the Eagles. Don’t go making me have positive feelings for this team from Dilly Philly…..

I applaud them for the win but applaud them more for not going.

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Citizen K  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:14:49pm
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Dave In Austin  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:14:53pm

re: #88 Blind Frog Belly White

The Pimple’s Court.

Who’s the head of it?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:16:21pm

re: #91 Dave In Austin

Who’s the head of it?

Clearasil.

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Kragar  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:16:41pm
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Belafon  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:18:43pm

re: #93 Kragar

After it gives up 10,000 points: “I have never met this Dow Jones guy. I don’t know who he is.”

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Jay C  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:22:30pm

re: #87 Sir John Barron

A special People’s Court with former Milwaukee Sheriff what’s his face guy.

“Judge” Jeanine Pirro presiding…

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Dr. Matt  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:22:57pm

BREAKING NEWS!!! THE TRUMP ECONOMY IS IN FULL SWING!! DOW DOWN 1175 POINTS IN A SINGLE DAY!

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Citizen K  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:23:51pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

As a note, under this standard, can we arrest Trump for treason for treating the previous president like a foreign usurper then? I mean, that’s as far from the mandatory adulation he seems to think he’s entitled to as President.

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lawhawk  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:23:57pm
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fern01  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:24:18pm

re: #31 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, so apparently Trump just said this:

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Dude, L’etat sure ain’t vous.

So all the attacks on President Obama can now to equated to treason - 90% of GOP supporters would be locked up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:24:47pm

no one has told him…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:25:07pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, be honest…there’s at least ONE other person…

Well yeah. I meant in sports.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:25:48pm

Dow has dropped over 1800 points in two days. That Trump economy is bigly booming.

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BeachDem  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:26:56pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

no one has told him…

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Good lookin’ bunch behind him—I particularly like the gum chomper in the back row who puts his all into every chomp.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:27:23pm

re: #95 Jay C

“Judge” Jeanine Pirro presiding…

I’m afraid she’s busy looking in the woods for Hillary Clinton….

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:27:36pm

re: #90 Citizen K

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He’s such a creep.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:27:52pm

re: #102 Dr. Matt

Dow has dropped over 1800 points in two days. That Trump economy is bigly booming.

The index had recovered after briefly dropping 1,500 points, the largest intraday drop in the Dow’s history.

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lawhawk  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:28:00pm

Trump’s probably figuring out a way to somehow blame this on Hillary Clinton and get her investigated for it.

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Targetpractice  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:28:41pm

The hilarity of today is a wingnut acquaintance seemed to think she’d scored some little victory by pointing out that Trump has passed the 9mths/1yr mark where presidents traditionally start receiving credit for a “good” economy.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:28:43pm
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:29:33pm
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Citizen K  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:29:48pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

He’s such a creep.

But he “triggers the libs” and treats them like they’re inherently illegitimate people in all aspects of life, thusly conservatives think he’s the Best President Evar, and (because he’s a Republican) the media must treat his position as the starting point of every conversation from hereon in.

So who’s expecting the Times to come out tomorrow with a piece on ‘The Case against Democrats for Treason’ or some dumb shit?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:29:52pm

re: #107 lawhawk

Trump’s probably figuring out a way to somehow blame this on Hillary Clinton and get her investigated for it.

Wall Street paid her to give speeches…

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fern01  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:31:11pm

re: #82 Hecuba’s daughter

Sigh — and I’m retiring in June. No pension — all 401(k)

It took about 2 years for my retirement fund to recover from the 2008 crash. It grew steadily after that. I may well take a hit again and may have a couple of lean years - so I’m not stressing at the moment - if an economic “correction” helps get rid of trump the recovery will be in good hands - as with Obama.

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sagehen  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:31:30pm

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I know lots of folks from PA, so I guess I am pleased, even as a person who has not followed pro football since childhood

I don’t even like football, but I like a good cheesesteak and hate Tom Brady, so…

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:31:45pm

re: #94 Belafon

After it gives up 10,000 points: “I have never met this Dow Jones guy. I don’t know who he is.”

Let’s hope this is a temporary blip and not a prolonged slide like 1972 here or the continuing disaster in Japan, which peaked at almost 39,000 in December 1989, eventually lost about 75%, and today, almost 30 years later, is still 40% lower than that top.

Let’s see if his economic team actually knows something that can benefit this country, as opposed to enriching Goldman Sachs.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:32:50pm

re: #111 Citizen K

But he “triggers the libs” and treats them like they’re inherently illegitimate people in all aspects of life, thusly conservatives think he’s the Best President Evar, and (because he’s a Republican) the media must treat his position as the starting point of every conversation from hereon in.

So who’s expecting the Times to come out tomorrow with a piece on ‘The Case against Democrats for Treason’ or some dumb shit?

I’m waiting for Maggie to explain to us it’s just how he talks.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:32:55pm

re: #18 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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I am here for every possible way to mock Tom Brady.

I have to say, and I’m not a Patriots fan, that the only reason the Patriots were even in the Super Bowl with a defense that bad is because of how great Brady is. He was damn near perfect in the game, but its hard to win when the defense lets the other team score at will.

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ObserverArt  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:33:11pm

re: #11 bill d. (b.d.)

So does that make Gaetz a Holocaust Denier denier?

All it does is confirm Gaetz is a massive asshole. No denying that.

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Kragar  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:34:20pm
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Varek Raith  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:34:23pm

re: #2 Kragar

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Image: obama.gif

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Targetpractice  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:34:49pm

re: #115 Hecuba’s daughter

Let’s hope this is a temporary blip and not a prolonged slide like 1972 here or the continuing disaster in Japan, which peaked at almost 39,000 in December 1989, eventually lost about 75%, and today, almost 30 years later, is still 40% lower than that top.

Let’s see if his economic team actually knows something that can benefit this country, as opposed to enriching Goldman Sachs.

Well We’re Boned!

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Interesting Times  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:34:49pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:35:36pm

re: #18 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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I am here for every possible way to mock Tom Brady.

You should never kick a man when he is down.

And just lost the ball to the other team.

It might get you a penalty.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:35:39pm

re: #37 austin_blue


@RealAlexJones
Is the historic -1500 DOW drop a false flag by the big banks? Should we investigate Goldman Sachs?!
2:38 PM - Feb 5, 2018

It’s the Joooz!!

Constitution of the State of Texas, Article V

Section 16: The County Courts shall have the general jurisdiction of a Probate Court. They shall probate wills, appoint guardians of minors, idiots, lunatics, persons non compos mentis, and common drunkards…

We should immediately petition the Travis County courts to appoint a guardian for Alex and as many of his cult as can be found.

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fern01  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:36:25pm

re: #103 BeachDem

Good lookin’ bunch behind him—I particularly like the gum chomper in the back row who puts his all into every chomp.

I thought the same - then remembered my mother’s words on attacking people for how they look - then I read your post - and said “my mother would understand - she would have supported Hillary”

I’ve never seen a weirder collection of kooks - the real americans of trump fame.

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Varek Raith  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:37:01pm

re: #18 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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I am here for every possible way to mock Tom Brady.

NSFW but Tom Brady!

South Park: The Fractured But Whole - Tom Brady Easter Egg

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Interesting Times  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:37:32pm
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Dr. Matt  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:38:41pm

The Dow closes to the same level as it was on around December 8, 2017. All of Trump’s “gains” have been erased. MAGA

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ObserverArt  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:41:36pm

re: #58 Kragar

Kragar
@Kragar_LGF
So you’re saying that Obama taking the DOW from 8k to 20k is a bigger achievement than Trump’s anemic 5K before the crash?

Thanks for finally noticing Bill #DowJones

3:52 PM - Feb 5, 2018
Replies 2 2 Retweets 2 2 likes

Hmmm. I think you just took his King.

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dangerman  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:41:50pm

the unintended consequences of declassifying intelligence for political / personal purposes (the own-goalness of the memo gets worse)

The New York Times notified the Justice Department on Monday that it is asking the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to unseal secret documents related to the wiretapping of Carter Page (via political-wire.com cause i dont go to nyt)

“But President Trump lowered the shield of secrecy surrounding such materials on Friday by declassifying the Republican memo about Mr. Page, after finding that the public interest in disclosing its contents outweighed any need to protect the information. Because Mr. Trump did so, the Times argues, there is no longer a justification ‘for the Page warrant orders and application materials to be withheld in their entirety,’ and ‘disclosure would serve the public interest.”

i should just bold the whole paragraph

(i havent read through so pardons if im redundant)

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Kragar  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:43:50pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:43:56pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

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Reminds me of a story I once heard about Stalin. At a party meeting the audience stood to give him a standing ovation, and everyone was afraid to be the first to quit clapping, so they all just stood there and kept clapping until they started to collapse from exhaustion. No idea if its true or not.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:45:06pm

re: #129 ObserverArt

Losing a couple thousand points when the Dow is at 26,000 is MUCH different than when it is at 10,000.
— Bill Mitchell (@mitchellvii) February 5, 2018

Proving once again that the Trump Cultists will always find a way to defend Dear Leader.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:45:45pm

Apparently the WH had on state TV (fox) and freaked out when they cut his speech & went to the dow coverage.

Oh what a fun trip it must be on AF1 right now.

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:46:04pm

re: #132 Big Beautiful Door

Reminds me of a story I once heard about Stalin. At a party meeting the audience stood to give him a standing ovation, and everyone was afraid to be the first to quit clapping, so they all just stood there and kept clapping until they started to collapse from exhaustion. No idea if its true or not.

It’s true. disappearingman.com

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dangerman  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:46:07pm

re: #93 Kragar

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more likely from him “I’ve got complete confidence in Mr. Jones.”

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Stanley Sea  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:46:33pm

re: #132 Big Beautiful Door

Reminds me of a story I once heard about Stalin. At a party meeting the audience stood to give him a standing ovation, and everyone was afraid to be the first to quit clapping, so they all just stood there and kept clapping until they started to collapse from exhaustion. No idea if its true or not.

VB has the video.

Not of the fainting, but the duration.

It’s sick.

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ObserverArt  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:48:55pm

re: #94 Belafon

After it gives up 10,000 points: “I have never met this Dow Jones guy. I don’t know who he is.”

Fox news will be sure he is a Democrat, close associate of Obama and The Deep State™, and voted for Clinton. And he is funded by Soros and Kenyan interests.

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lawhawk  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:49:21pm

re: #131 Kragar

National Futures Association banned his sorry ass for running a scam.

Wohl is a Trumperoid grifter barely out of diapers and he’s already running multimillion dollar scams and getting in trouble with the authorities.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:50:39pm

re: #102 Dr. Matt

Dow has dropped over 1800 points in two days. That Trump economy is bigly booming.

Well, I mean the economy is fine. Rich people are upset that workers are finally getting raises so interest rates will go up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:51:06pm

add to the “there’s always a tweet” collection:

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dangerman  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:51:17pm

re: #125 fern01

I thought the same - then remembered my mother’s words on attacking people for how they look - then I read your post - and said “my mother would understand - she would have supported Hillary”

I’ve never seen a weirder collection of kooks - the real americans of trump fame.

that there is the republican party as it stands right now

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Targetpractice  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:51:43pm

Dow wipes its gains since Dec, deficits are past the $1t market again, and we’re on the verge of yet another gov’t shutdown.

Morons
Are
Governing
America

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:51:56pm

re: #106 Dr. Matt

The index had recovered after briefly dropping 1,500 points, the largest intraday drop in the Dow’s history.

Yeah, like Violetta at the end of La Traviata, just before she dies.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:53:38pm

Sarah Huckabee will soon explain to us how losing 1800 points in two business days is MAGA.

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Varek Raith  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:54:44pm

re: #145 Dr. Matt

Sarah Huckabee will soon explain to us how lising 1800 points in two business days is MAGA.

#ADONISDNA

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fern01  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:54:48pm

re: #142 dangerman

that there is the republican party as it stands right now

It really is the 27% rump - all that is left of the GOP

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dangerman  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:54:57pm

re: #131 Kragar

Today is a great day to BUY, BUY, BUY — America is BACK!

you think the slide is done, you should go all in.

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:56:00pm

re: #145 Dr. Matt

Sarah Huckabee will soon explain to us how lising 1800 points in two business days is MAGA.

“The market is getting affordable, and thanks to our tax cuts, teachers will finally be able to invest.”

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Amory Blaine  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:56:53pm

This Elmo bitcoin gif has me laughing my ass off.

reddit.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:58:08pm
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dangerman  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:58:58pm

re: #149 Belafon

“The market is getting affordable, and thanks to our tax cuts, teachers will finally be able to invest.”

…that new $1.50 a week they’ll have to spare

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KGxvi  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:59:18pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart

Every other state Republican Party: SHUT THE FUCK UP GUYS!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 5, 2018 • 1:59:34pm

Evening Lizardim.

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lawhawk  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:00:05pm

re: #152 dangerman

…that new $1.50 a week they’ll have to spare

Which, if invested in the market this morning, is now worth $1.44.

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ObserverArt  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:00:11pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

add to the “there’s always a tweet” collection:

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But hey, he is beating Obama. It went down a bit in Obama’s second term. Trump’s improved that by topping Obama and doing it just into his second year.

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Jay C  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:00:27pm

re: #133 Dr. Matt

re: #129 ObserverArt

Losing a couple thousand points when the Dow is at 26,000 is MUCH different than when it is at 10,000.
— Bill Mitchell (@mitchellvii) February 5, 2018

Proving once again that the Trump Cultists will always find a way to defend Dear Leader.

Well, despite being a dishonest hack, troll and moron (in no particular order) Mitchell is actually correct: the Dow’s loss today* may be the one-day point-loss record, but the percentage drop (4.60%), while bad (especially after Friday’s drop), isn’t a record. But of course, as Mitchell’s Dear Leader has been mindlessly cheerleading every uptick in the markets as a personal endorsement of any and every policy of his Administration, it’s going to look bad for his Idol. Which is, as financial professionals like to phrase it: tough shit.

*The DJIA isn’t the greatest benchmark index, but unfortunately, the main (often only) one that gets cited in the news. A quick perusal of other stock indexes, however, shows a general drop of about 4% overall. Maybe not “Black Monday”, but definitely a dark gray…..

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:01:14pm

re: #156 ObserverArt

But hey, he is beating Obama. It went down a bit in Obama’s second term. Trump’s improved that by topping Obama and doing it just into his second year.

But, you know it’s already his second term, in Trump Years.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:01:56pm

re: #148 dangerman

you think the slide is done, you should go all in.

Since one can’t be sure exactly where the market is going, its best to keep up at steady rate of investment rather than trying to time the market. The economy is still fundamentally sound, so at some point the selling will stop; its just hard to say when. Stocks are certainly looking like bargains now compared to Friday though.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:04:01pm
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dangerman  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:04:04pm

re: #159 Big Beautiful Door

Since one can’t be sure exactly where the market is going, its best to keep up at steady rate of investment rather than trying to time the market. The economy is still fundamentally sound, so at some point the selling will stop; its just hard to say when. Stocks are certainly looking like bargains now compared to Friday though.

oh certainly

i meant the guy wohl “Today is a great day to BUY, BUY, BUY — America is BACK!”

the market couldnt go down again tomorrow, right?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:05:12pm

In which Ben Shapiro unwittingly destroy’s Trump’s claim to have created trillions of dollars of wealth with the rising stock market.

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ObserverArt  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:05:25pm

re: #157 Jay C

Well, despite being a dishonest hack, troll and moron (in no particular order) Mitchell is actually correct: the Dow’s loss today* may be the one-day point-loss record, but the percentage drop (4.60%), while bad (especially after Friday’s drop), isn’t a record. But of course, as Mitchell’s Dear Leader has been mindlessly cheerleading every uptick in the markets as a personal endorsement of any and every policy of his Administration, it’s going to look bad for his Idol. Which is, as financial professionals like to phrase it: tough shit.

*The DJIA isn’t the greatest benchmark index, but unfortunately, the main (often only) one that gets cited in the news. A quick perusal of other stock indexes, however, shows a general drop of about 4% overall. Maybe not “Black Monday”, but definitely a dark gray…..

All that is true. I was just responding to Krager’s Tweet and the whole Mitchell quote came in on a link in the tweet. Should have edited that out.

The point is Krager is saying to him good thing you are looking at percentage. Obama had a bigger growth of the Dow percentage wise.

Therefore…Krager took his King. Checkmate!

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KGxvi  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:06:11pm

re: #68 makeitstop

Am I being stupid, or are the Supremes the last stop on that line?

When a party loses a case at trial or on appeal, they can ask the next highest court to stay the ruling until it has a chance to rule on the matter. So the State GOP, in this case, asked the US Supreme Court to stay the ruling of the State Supreme Court. The US Supreme Court’s procedure for stays is that they get sent to one justice who either grants or denies a temporary stay at least until the Court can consider a writ of cert.

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Targetpractice  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:06:15pm

So Trump avoided looking petty and vindictive during the SOTU by just staying to the script, so we instead get it all in bite-sized chunks for the coming weeks and months.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:07:39pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:08:03pm

re: #161 dangerman

oh certainly

i meant the guy wohl “Today is a great day to BUY, BUY, BUY — America is BACK!”

the market couldnt go down again tomorrow, right?

I remember very well the market crash of 1987.

It dropped over 100 points on Friday, which was about 4%. I watched Wall Street Week that night, where the experts were all confident that the worst had passed, and Monday, after having the weekend to calmly reflect on it, investors would be calm.

All the experts but one, who said “It’ll be a bloodbath”.

It was.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:11:26pm

Billy is a straight-up Cultist. There really is no other way to describe him:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:12:37pm
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Dr. Matt  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:13:22pm

If today happened under Hillary, the GOP would be calling for impeachment.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:14:23pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:14:46pm

re: #167 Blind Frog Belly White

I remember very well the market crash of 1987.

It dropped over 100 points on Friday, which was about 4%. I watched Wall Street Week that night, where the experts were all confident that the worst had passed, and Monday, after having the weekend to calmly reflect on it, investors would be calm.

All the experts but one, who said “It’ll be a bloodbath”.

It was.

Wasn’t the problem on Monday, though, the new computer driven trading technique of “portfolio insurance”? The human element was taken out of the equation, and the computers sold, sold, sold …..

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majii  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:14:56pm

re: #152 dangerman

“re: #149 Belafon

“The market is getting affordable, and thanks to our tax cuts, teachers will finally be able to invest.”

…that new $1.50 a week they’ll have to spare”

It’s no secret that Paul Ryan is an idiot. At current market prices here in Middle GA, you cannot buy a loaf of bread, a gallon of milk, or a dozen eggs for $1.50.

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Targetpractice  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:15:11pm

So when the DJIA is hitting new highs daily, that’s the sign of a “strong” economy. And when it loses an entire month’s gains in two days, that’s also sign of a “strong” economy.

So obviously Black Monday was the sign of the strongest economy ever.//////

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:15:31pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

Good time to recall that in the previous administration, we NEVER boasted about the stock market — even though the Dow more than doubled on Obama’s watch — because we knew two things: 1) the stock market is not the economy; and 2) if you claim the rise, you own the fall.

second claim no longer applies in the Age of the New Media Reality

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:15:40pm

re: #168 Dr. Matt

5.4%?

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dangerman  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:15:56pm

re: #162 Blind Frog Belly White

In which Ben Shapiro unwittingly destroy’s Trump’s claim to have created trillions of dollars of wealth with the rising stock market.

Note: you didn’t actually lose money when the stock market dropped unless you sold your stock while it was dropping.

ben, you’re mincing words

you do actually lose wealth - ie net worth when the stock market drops unless you sell your stocks at the peak before the drop

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:16:43pm

Way late again.

Am I first to notice that’s a Moscow Mule Chuck C Johnson (not our host) is drinking?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:17:08pm

re: #177 dangerman

ben, you’re mincing words

you do actually lose wealth - ie net worth when the stock market drops unless you sell your stocks at the peak before the drop

Shhh, you’re confusing him.

The idea that you can take losses but don’t lock them in unless you sell is hard for a lot of people.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:18:05pm

re: #176 jaunte

5.4%?

Trump claimed that figure last week and was universally mocked. Dotard cherry-picked it from a specific sector of the economy.

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Jay C  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:18:09pm

re: #167 Blind Frog Belly White

I remember very well the market crash of 1987.

It dropped over 100 points on Friday, which was about 4%. I watched Wall Street Week that night, where the experts were all confident that the worst had passed, and Monday, after having the weekend to calmly reflect on it, investors would be calm.

All the experts but one, who said “It’ll be a bloodbath”.

It was.

Yep: Black Monday ‘87: I recall calling a friend of mine who was working at Merrill Lynch then to chat, and having her hang up on me in a panic, yelling that the Dow was down 500 points (on a then 2200-point index), and thinking that she was definitely over-the-top, and had to be exaggerating. Which of course, then as now, was no odd condition for Wall-Streeters.
Until I saw the day’s results: a still-record 22.61% drop in one trading session. Man, they did things right in the Olden Days……

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dangerman  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:19:04pm

re: #167 Blind Frog Belly White

I remember very well the market crash of 1987.

It dropped over 100 points on Friday, which was about 4%. I watched Wall Street Week that night, where the experts were all confident that the worst had passed, and Monday, after having the weekend to calmly reflect on it, investors would be calm.

All the experts but one, who said “It’ll be a bloodbath”.

It was.

yup. i remember too
used to watch rukeyser regularly

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:19:30pm

re: #181 Jay C

Yep: Black Monday ‘87: I recall calling a friend of mine who was working at Merrill Lynch then to chat, and having her hang up on me in a panic, yelling that the Dow was down 500 points (on a then 2200-point index), and thinking that she was definitely over-the-top, and had to be exaggerating. Which of course, then as now, was no odd condition for Wall-Streeters.
Until I saw the day’s results: a still-record 22.61% drop in one trading session. Man, they did things right in the Olden Days……

Yes, I recall how stock-market crazy people were getting in the mid-80’s…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:20:35pm

re: #172 Hecuba’s daughter

Wasn’t the problem on Monday, though, the new computer driven trading technique of “portfolio insurance”? The human element was taken out of the equation, and the computers sold, sold, sold …..

I beleive it exacerbated it, but really, people were panicked. It was the first really big bull market of most people’s lives, and a lot of people had discovered borrowing on margin. The rules then allowed you to borrow a larger percentage of the value of your portfolio, so there were a lot of margin calls.

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majii  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:21:14pm

re: #176 jaunte

“re: #168 Dr. Matt

5.4%?”

Now, Jaunte, we both know where Mitchell got the figure from——the same place on his body that releases his feces.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:21:59pm

re: #178 Unshaken Defiance

Way late again.

Am I first to notice that’s a Moscow Mule Chuck C Johnson (not our host) is drinking?

Meh. The drink was invented in NYC and his was probably made with Tito’s. In short, Rage Furby is more closely aligned with Russia than the cocktail.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:22:36pm

re: #184 Blind Frog Belly White

I beleive it exacerbated it, but really, people were panicked. It was the first really big bull market of most people’s lives, and a lot of people had discovered borrowing on margin. The rules then allowed you to borrow a larger percentage of the value of your portfolio, so there were a lot of margin calls.

Back in 1929 you could buy stock with less than 15% down payment, when those margin calls hit, the whole house of cards crumbled.

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dangerman  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:22:52pm

re: #173 majii

“re: #149 Belafon

“The market is getting affordable, and thanks to our tax cuts, teachers will finally be able to invest.”

…that new $1.50 a week they’ll have to spare”

It’s no secret that Paul Ryan is an idiot. At current market prices here in Middle GA, you cannot buy a loaf of bread, a gallon of milk, or a dozen eggs for $1.50.

it was a bonehead thing for him to say
that’s why i wouldnt be surprised by someone saying “if you invest that 1.50” - instead of recognizing that (forgetting the effects of the latest “tax cut” ) people are already in a hole and doing without. $1.50 idiodic as it is is not “free to be invested”

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BlueGrl21  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:23:01pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

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” if you claim the rise, you own the fall.”

Bam.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:23:13pm
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dangerman  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:23:14pm

re: #176 jaunte

5.4%?

assinine

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fern01  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:23:34pm

re: #159 Big Beautiful Door

Since one can’t be sure exactly where the market is going, its best to keep up at steady rate of investment rather than trying to time the market. The economy is still fundamentally sound, so at some point the selling will stop; its just hard to say when. Stocks are certainly looking like bargains now compared to Friday though.

I’ve never been able to pick the top/bottom of the market - and doubt the words of those who always manage to do that - so I won’t buy during a fall - but wait for a sustained rise after the event. e.g. After the 2008 crash I didn’t buy anything until 2011 - so I didn’t buy in at the bottom but I did buy way below the 2007 top.

My guestimate is the DOW will probably drop to c 20K before this is done, so I’m on the sidelines. I also won’t sell what I have - it will recover eventually - as happened in Obama times. Will probably need a change of US government for full recovery - hope that happens soon.

I miss Obama

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:24:04pm

re: #188 dangerman

it was a bonehead thing for him to say
that’s why i wouldnt be surprised by someone saying “if you invest that 1.50” - instead of recognizing that (forgetting the effects of the latest “tax cut” ) people are already in a hole and doing without. $1.50 idiodic as it is is not “free to be invested”

and the sickest thing is that even this minor “tax relief” is only a temporary thing under the new tax guidelines

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:26:01pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:27:03pm

re: #192 fern01

I’ve never been able to pick the top/bottom of the market - and doubt the words of those who always manage to do that - so I won’t buy during a fall - but wait for a sustained rise after the event. e.g. After the 2008 crash I didn’t buy anything until 2011 - so I didn’t buy in at the bottom but I did buy way below the 2007 top.

My guestimate is the DOW will probably drop to c 20K before this is done, so I’m on the sidelines. I also won’t sell what I have - it will recover eventually - as happened in Obama times. Will probably need a change of US government for full recovery - hope that happens soon.

I miss Obama

Dollar cost averaging is about not trying to time the market at all. The idea is that you invest regularly (once a month or three months or whatever) instead of doing large purchases and attempting to time things. Some of what you buy will be bought when the market is close to the top. Some of what you buy will be bought when the market is close to the floor. Overall, the concept is that you end up averaging it out and can invest without feeling like you need to hold off because of timing.

This advice mostly applies to buying, though.

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dangerman  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:27:17pm

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

The stock market is riding a 10 month winning streak, the longest since 1959!

10 months?
longest
since 1959(!)???

twaddle

im going to make dinner
youre an idiot

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Targetpractice  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:27:30pm

re: #176 jaunte

5.4%?

The Atlanta Fed Bank releases projections based upon the latest data, which is where this came from.

For the record, they projected 4.3% growth for Q2 of last year. The actual result? 3.1%. And most every other economist is projecting no better than 3% for this quarter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:27:37pm
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fern01  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:27:44pm

re: #165 Targetpractice

So Trump avoided looking petty and vindictive during the SOTU by just staying to the script, so we instead get it all in bite-sized chunks for the coming weeks and months.

By allowing Nunes to release the memo!! - trump lost all media related to the SOTU speech. He might just be realizing this (or his minders have told him) - so is talking about the lack of respect to bring the conversation back to being about trump. He does not like anyone else to be at the top of the news.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:28:20pm

re: #187 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Back in 1929 you could buy stock with less than 15% down payment, when those margin calls hit, the whole house of cards crumbled.

Groucho Marx described it in his autobiography. Buy a stock on a tip, use the gain to buy another stock on margin, use the gain from that to buy yet another stock on margin.

I remember at Genentech, back in the heady days of the mid-80s, some of the higher ups talking about option trading. There was one guy to bragged about how he was gonna get fabulously wealthy that way. As I recall, he just about broke even, which is good, because unlike stocks, with options you can lose WAY more than you invested. I glanced once at the form Schwab had for people who wanted to trade options. They asked about the value of all your property.

You know, just in case they ever needed to seize it.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:28:52pm

re: #186 Dr. Matt

Meh. The drink was created in NYC and his was probably made with Tito’s. In short, Rage Furby is more closely aligned with Russia than the cocktail.

Just seemed coldly ironic. /

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dangerman  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:29:42pm

re: #192 fern01

I’ve never been able to pick the top/bottom of the market - and doubt the words of those who always manage to do that - so I won’t buy during a fall - but wait for a sustained rise after the event. e.g. After the 2008 crash I didn’t buy anything until 2011 - so I didn’t buy in at the bottom but I did buy way below the 2007 top.

My guestimate is the DOW will probably drop to c 20K before this is done, so I’m on the sidelines. I also won’t sell what I have - it will recover eventually - as happened in Obama times. Will probably need a change of US government for full recovery - hope that happens soon.

I miss Obama

no one ever has, or will
anyone who says so got lucky, or is a liar

now im really off to broiled salmon, baked french fries, and a side dish to be named later

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Dr. Matt  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:30:55pm

re: #201 Unshaken Defiance

Just seemed coldly ironic. /

True. Given that it’s Rage Furby, and he’s a complete f**king idiot, he probably thought he was trolling the left.

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calochortus  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:31:08pm

re: #195 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Dollar cost averaging is about not trying to time the market at all. The idea is that you invest regularly (once a month or three months or whatever) instead of doing large purchases and attempting to time things. Some of what you buy will be bought when the market is close to the top. Some of what you buy will be bought when the market is close to the floor. Overall, the concept is that you end up averaging it out and can invest without feeling like you need to hold off because of timing.

This advice mostly applies to buying, though.

IMHO knowing when to sell is much harder than knowing when to buy.
Way back in the Before Times one used to be able to do value investing and other crazily dull things and do pretty well. Now, it’s way harder to beat the pros with their fancy computers and all, so unless you really enjoy the research and stuff, something like a Vanguard fund is the way to go.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:31:31pm

re: #192 fern01

I’ve never been able to pick the top/bottom of the market - and doubt the words of those who always manage to do that - so I won’t buy during a fall - but wait for a sustained rise after the event. e.g. After the 2008 crash I didn’t buy anything until 2011 - so I didn’t buy in at the bottom but I did buy way below the 2007 top.

My guestimate is the DOW will probably drop to c 20K before this is done, so I’m on the sidelines. I also won’t sell what I have - it will recover eventually - as happened in Obama times. Will probably need a change of US government for full recovery - hope that happens soon.

I miss Obama

Never try to catch a falling knife.

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fern01  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:33:35pm

re: #183 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, I recall how stock-market crazy people were getting in the mid-80’s…

All I remember about the mid 80s - we were a single income family with a babe and a massive mortgage (interest rates were off the planet) - there was no spare cash for investing so I know nothing about what the markets were doing.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:35:07pm

re: #204 calochortus

IMHO knowing when to sell is much harder than knowing when to buy.
Way back in the Before Times one used to be able to do value investing and other crazily dull things and do pretty well. Now, it’s way harder to beat the pros with their fancy computers and all, so unless you really enjoy the research and stuff, something like a Vanguard fund is the way to go.

You still have to figure out when to sell even if it’s a Vanguard fund. :/

We’re looking at bond ladders and whatnot. That’s on my to do list for this month, although after today it may be less pressing a concern. Haha.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:35:36pm

re: #206 fern01

All I remember about the mid 80s - we were a single income family with a babe and a massive mortgage (interest rates were off the planet) - there was no spare cash for investing so I know nothing about what the markets were doing.

I was a poor musician, I was just aware of all the guys my age donning suits and convincing themselves that they were on the road to becoming millionaires and retiring at age 40.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:39:11pm

re: #160 The Vicious Babushka

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:39:12pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:39:15pm

Dow Jones plunging so fast even the Titanic is like: Damnnnn!

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calochortus  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:40:51pm

re: #206 fern01

All I remember about the mid 80s - we were a single income family with a babe and a massive mortgage (interest rates were off the planet) - there was no spare cash for investing so I know nothing about what the markets were doing.

We had some investments back then, but no need to cash anything out in the near future, so we just kept on keeping on. The big problem with these drops are the people who don’t have the luxury of waiting for value to pick up again.

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majii  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:41:35pm

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Tuesday’s DAILY MIRROR: “You’re sick, Mr President”“

I guess it’s time for Trump to re-schedule the alleged already re-scheduled UK visit. Guy keeps opening his mouth and f*cking things up.

I suggested to the DM on Twitter that it should have written “HE’S LIED AGAIN” instead of “He’s BLUNDERED AGAIN,” because it’s the truth.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:42:41pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:42:57pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:42:57pm

re: #212 calochortus

We had some investments back then, but no need to cash anything out in the near future, so we just kept on keeping on. The big problem with these drops are the people who don’t have the luxury of waiting for value to pick up again.

and the clueless guys in suits trying to make a living from buying and selling…they all find it easier to work with a rising market. only the most seasoned and savvy can work successfully with one that is falling

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:43:32pm

re: #208 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was a poor musician, I was just aware of all the guys my age donning suits and convincing themselves that they were on the road to becoming millionaires and retiring at age 40.

I was single, making pretty good scratch for a single guy in his 20s, and the Genentech ESP allowed us to buy stock for $10 a share that was selling in the high 30s.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:49:30pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:52:31pm
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fern01  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:52:44pm

re: #195 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Dollar cost averaging is about not trying to time the market at all. The idea is that you invest regularly (once a month or three months or whatever) instead of doing large purchases and attempting to time things. Some of what you buy will be bought when the market is close to the top. Some of what you buy will be bought when the market is close to the floor. Overall, the concept is that you end up averaging it out and can invest without feeling like you need to hold off because of timing.

This advice mostly applies to buying, though.

I understand what you are saying - Before retirement I did the regular investing via an investment fund but now I’m retired I mostly live off my investment funds while doing a little “dabbling on the side” to see how I go “on my own”.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:55:28pm

re: #215 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Just talked to my rep at Morgan-Stanley. At least some of the the big investors have noticed. The losers are the MAGA-heads who still have faith in the Rancid One’s economic voodoo. Some of these, unfortunately, are major investors themselves. It is amazing how gullible and uninformed fatcats can be when they think they are poised for a major killing. Their attempts at bargain hunting will fuel a false recovery tomorrow but after that, nobody knows. As usual in a big decline I am going to sit tight.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:56:27pm
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Dr. Matt  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:57:14pm

I really hate agreeing with this guy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 2:58:52pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:00:01pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:00:34pm

re: #223 Dr. Matt

I really hate agreeing with this guy.

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calochortus  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:00:46pm

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Just talked to my rep at Morgan-Stanley. At least some of the the big investors have noticed. The losers are the MAGA-heads who still have faith in the Rancid One’s economic voodoo. Some of these, unfortunately, are major investors themselves. It is amazing how gullible and uninformed fatcats can be when they think they are poised for a major killing. Their attempts at bargain hunting will fuel a false recovery tomorrow but after that, nobody knows. As usual in a big decline I am going to sit tight.

Bottom fishing is a poor strategy, but there’s always someone who thinks they’ll win big with it.

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fern01  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:00:58pm

re: #223 Dr. Matt

I really hate agreeing with this guy.

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He still seems unable to call trump what he is - a moronic liar who wants the divine right to rule. Saying Trump is acting like an autocrat. will be seen as a compliment by trump - and Joe knows that.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:02:19pm

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Stock-market volatility surges, but VIX traders aren’t panicking yet

The Cboe Volatility Index, or VIX VIX, +115.60% , which measures implied volatility on the S&P 500, has more than quadrupled from the record low set late last year, but VIX futures contracts suggest the spike in volatility will abate over the next few months.

[…]

Monday’s surge was the biggest one-day increase since the inception of the index.

[…]

“But when VIX gets above 20 and stays there, that’s when investors usually start panicking,” he added.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:02:34pm
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austin_blue  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:04:35pm

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Just talked to my rep at Morgan-Stanley. At least some of the the big investors have noticed. The losers are the MAGA-heads who still have faith in the Rancid One’s economic voodoo. Some of these, unfortunately, are major investors themselves. It is amazing how gullible and uninformed fatcats can be when they think they are poised for a major killing. Their attempts at bargain hunting will fuel a false recovery tomorrow but after that, nobody knows. As usual in a big decline I am going to sit tight.

Dead Cat Bounce.

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KingKenrod  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:04:59pm

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Just talked to my rep at Morgan-Stanley. At least some of the the big investors have noticed. The losers are the MAGA-heads who still have faith in the Rancid One’s economic voodoo. Some of these, unfortunately, are major investors themselves. It is amazing how gullible and uninformed fatcats can be when they think they are poised for a major killing. Their attempts at bargain hunting will fuel a false recovery tomorrow but after that, nobody knows. As usual in a big decline I am going to sit tight.

I’d like to see the portfolios of some big money Trump boosters. I think you’d find a lot of them short, short, short because they know Trump+GOP is a disaster. They hate the steady growth & low interest rate market and want to go back to boom and bust.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:06:08pm

heh

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:06:41pm

re: #232 KingKenrod

I’d like to see the portfolios of some big money Trump boosters. I think you’d find a lot of them short, short, short because they know Trump+GOP is a disaster. They hate the steady growth & low interest rate market and want to go back to boom and bust.

because they are the short-term grab-and run speculators who do not care about a healthy, stable economy. we have established a system of conflicting interests that rewards those with the most destructive interests.

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calochortus  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:10:27pm

re: #232 KingKenrod

I’d like to see the portfolios of some big money Trump boosters. I think you’d find a lot of them short, short, short because they know Trump+GOP is a disaster. They hate the steady growth & low interest rate market and want to go back to boom and bust.

I doubt there would be much shorting. Even experienced investors have a hard time not investing in a market that’s going up, up, up. That’s why we get bubble after bubble.
The human brain is, over the long term, really bad at investing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:11:02pm

“The applause went on—six, seven, eight minutes! They were done for! Their goose was cooked! They couldn’t stop now till they collapsed with heart attacks! At the rear of the hall, which was crowded, they could of course cheat a bit, clap less frequently, less vigorously, not so eagerly…Nine minutes! Ten!…Insanity! To the last man! With make-believe enthusiasm on their faces, looking at each other with faint hope, the district leaders were just going to go on and on applauding till they fell where they stood, till they were carried out of the hall on stretchers.”

At last, after eleven minutes of non-stop clapping, the director of a paper factory finally decided enough was enough. He stopped clapping and sat down—a miracle!
“To a man, everyone else stopped dead and sat down.”

That same night, the director of the paper factory was arrested and sent to prison for ten years. Authorities came up with some official reason for his sentence, but during his interrogation, he was told: “Don’t ever be the first to stop applauding!”

Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

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BadgerB  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:11:39pm

re: #161 dangerman

i meant the guy wohl “Today is a great day to BUY, BUY, BUY — America is BACK!”

the market couldnt go down again tomorrow, right?

Time to break out my favorite wall street phrase - the “Dead Cat Bounce”, as in “even a dead cat will bounce if you drop it from high enough”. Used to refer to a small bump on the day after a big decline (like the market being up tomorrow after today’s big drop).

Used to remind people that if things are headed downhill fast, a brief one day bump isn’t the same thing as the worst being over.

Edit: Austin Blue beat me to it at #231

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:13:14pm

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Just talked to my rep at Morgan-Stanley. At least some of the the big investors have noticed. The losers are the MAGA-heads who still have faith in the Rancid One’s economic voodoo. Some of these, unfortunately, are major investors themselves. It is amazing how gullible and uninformed fatcats can be when they think they are poised for a major killing. Their attempts at bargain hunting will fuel a false recovery tomorrow but after that, nobody knows. As usual in a big decline I am going to sit tight.

NVDA gave up a lot today, but the run up has been ridiculous so this is probably healthy. I still think they’re probably the best positioned stock to benefit from AI development. The trend towards autonomous driving and AI driven robotic manufacturing will only accelerate and NVDA currently has the only truly market viable computing hardware / software environment for AI training. Earnings announcement is on the 8th and all signs point to a huge beat.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:13:40pm

How much of the current market is driven by those programmed traders who hold stocks/currencies/etc for a few milliseconds?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:19:55pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:20:26pm

re: #239 Hecuba’s daughter

How much of the current market is driven by those programmed traders who hold stocks/currencies/etc for a few milliseconds?

That steep valley at 3pm is definitely looks like some runaway machine logic in action.

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makeitstop  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:21:45pm

re: #241 Dr. Matt

House Intelligence Committee votes unanimously to release Democrats’ rebuttal memo

Now it’s all on Trump. If he refuses to release it, Rs have cover.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:22:38pm

re: #241 Dr. Matt

House Intelligence Committee votes unanimously to release Democrats’ rebuttal memo

I’ll be surprised if Trump actually okays the release. His tweet about Schiff seems like the set up to a big lie.

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Targetpractice  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:24:42pm

re: #241 Dr. Matt

House Intelligence Committee votes unanimously to release Democrats’ rebuttal memo

I suspect that, unlike the Repub memo, Trump’s gonna sit on it with some mealy-mouthed BS from Huckaboo about giving it “proper review.”

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garzooma  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:25:21pm

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Is Bannon a Dem?

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dangerman  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:27:32pm

re: #245 Targetpractice

I suspect that, unlike the Repub memo, Trump’s gonna sit on it with some mealy-mouthed BS from Huckaboo about giving it “proper review.”

q: “has he read it?”
oh good
q: “so do we have to explain to him what it says and what it means?”

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Targetpractice  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:30:02pm

He’s 5 days to review, which (unsurprisingly) means if he has no objections then it will be available for release on Saturday. So if the WH does not object, expect them to push the release on Saturday, when the DNC might have instead held it til Monday.

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Skip Intro  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:31:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:33:54pm
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KGxvi  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:35:29pm

re: #245 Targetpractice

I suspect that, unlike the Repub memo, Trump’s gonna sit on it with some mealy-mouthed BS from Huckaboo about giving it “proper review.”

He only has a certain amount of time (I want to say five days?) to either authorize it or deny it. If he denies it, he has something to hide. If he authorizes it, it tells a more complete story that doesn’t “vindicate” “Trump.”

He steps on more rakes than Sideshow Bob.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:37:11pm
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KGxvi  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:40:41pm

re: #248 Targetpractice

He’s 5 days to review, which (unsurprisingly) means if he has no objections then it will be available for release on Saturday. So if the WH does not object, expect them to push the release on Saturday, when the DNC might have instead held it til Monday.

I’m not entirely sure that releasing information on Friday or Saturday makes much of a difference anymore. Everyone is going to get a news alert on their phone. It’s going to be the main focus of all the Sunday shows. Cable news and podcasts are going to talk about it all week.

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Targetpractice  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:41:05pm

*sigh* I’ve lost my faith in a higher power:

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Jay C  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:41:28pm

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Dow Joans”???
SRSLY??

An index of companies owned by women??

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:42:21pm

re: #255 Jay C

“Dow Joans”???
SRSLY??

An index of companies owned by women??

It’s satire

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Skip Intro  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:42:44pm

re: #255 Jay C

It’s a joke, unfortunately.

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fern01  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:45:22pm

re: #241 Dr. Matt

House Intelligence Committee votes unanimously to release Democrats’ rebuttal memo

Why unanimous - D and R voted for release - what do they know that we do not??

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garzooma  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:46:00pm

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Treasonous” means betraying your country - like, say, if someone colluded with Russia to influence American elections.

Good to see Democrats using the “T” word. Now can we change “influence American elections” to “commit crimes against Americans”?

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KGxvi  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:48:36pm

re: #258 fern01

Why unanimous - D and R voted for release - what do they know that we do not??

The Republicans painted themselves into a corner between the reaction to the Nunes memo and then going on TV saying that they’d vote to release the Dems’ memo.

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fern01  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:48:52pm

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Mike Lamb  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:49:01pm

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Tracey is such a fucking clown.

Tracey: Both sides are equally bad.

Jake McClory: Uh, one of these things is objectively worse than the other.

Tracey: I never said they were the same. Except they are totally the same.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:49:15pm
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Sea Mexican!  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:51:03pm

re: #260 KGxvi

The Republicans painted themselves into a corner between the reaction to the Nunes memo and then going on TV saying that they’d vote to release the Dems’ memo.

Republicans have made a long career of disconnecting their mouths from their votes.

I think it’s more basic than that. My guess is that they expect the Dems’ memo to be a snoozer, like the Reps one.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:51:08pm

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Like commit adultry?

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Stanley Sea  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:52:02pm

:(

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Decatur Deb  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:52:06pm

re: #261 fern01

Embedded Sweet mother of god. Not for one second did I think people would believe that to be genuine.

He’s not very much attuned to his times.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:52:11pm
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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:52:31pm

re: #260 KGxvi

The Republicans painted themselves into a corner between the reaction to the Nunes memo and then going on TV saying that they’d vote to release the Dems’ memo.

They are counting on Trump bailing them out and he will, he’ll blast Dems like they were trying to give away the launch codes.

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Sea Mexican!  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:52:54pm

re: #261 fern01

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To be honest, I fell for it too (if I wasn’t several hours late). It’s what I expect to see in Trump’s Twitter feed.

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Targetpractice  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:55:19pm

re: #269 bill d. (b.d.)

They are counting on Trump bailing them out and he will, he’ll blast Dems like they were trying to give away the launch codes.

Ayep, even though both memos are based upon the documents, look for Trump to accuse the DNC of trying to compromise “national security.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:56:44pm
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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:57:56pm

re: #196 dangerman

10 months?
longest
since 1959(!)???

twaddle

im going to make dinner
youre an idiot

I think Ivanka was touting the not terribly useful metric of higher at the end of the month than beginning, 10 months in a row.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:58:11pm

re: #255 Jay C

“Dow Joans”???
SRSLY??

An index of companies owned by women??

I think he meant “Dow Johns,” an index of companies owned by associates of Stormy Daniels.

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ipsos  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:58:30pm

re: #270 Sea Mexican!

It’s actually kind of telling about Trump’s sharp cognitive decline - I looked at that tweet and figured it was fake because in 2015, he wasn’t yet doing the Random Capitalization and “quotes” like he does now.

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Weaselone  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:58:32pm

re: #264 Sea Mexican!

I’m curious as to why the Democrats feel the need to release their memo. The Nune’s Memo blew up in the Republican’s faces. I’m not sure why we would need to follow up on their own goal with an attempt at what could be one of our own.

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KGxvi  Feb 5, 2018 • 3:59:32pm

re: #269 bill d. (b.d.)

They are counting on Trump bailing them out and he will, he’ll blast Dems like they were trying to give away the launch codes.

Let’s assume Trump refuses to release the Dems’ memo after a unanimous vote. How’s that play out for him? The only question becomes: what is the president trying to hide? It will become the “what did the president know, and when did he know it?” of Stupid Watergate. You’ve got a unanimous vote by the committee to release this second memo, you’ve had plenty of Republicans say that this has no bearing on the larger Russia probe.

Maybe it saves some Congressional GOPers because they can say “well, that was the president’s decision.” But then it goes back to “What is the president trying to hide?” Suddenly Congressional Republicans are placed in a position where they have to answer real questions about investigating Trump. Because what is he trying to hide? Eventually that question will lead to the impeachment question… and in an election year, no less.

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Targetpractice  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:00:20pm

re: #276 Weaselone

I’m curious as to why the Democrats feel the need to release their memo. The Nune’s Memo blew up in the Republican’s faces. I’m not sure why we would need to follow up on their own goal with an attempt at what could be one of our own.

Well, for one thing, I doubt that Schiff would be so stupid as to concede anything in the memo that could bolster the GOP’s case for shutting down the investigation (ex: “Oh, the whole thing started in July, months before the FISA warrants”).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:01:05pm

thought this might be the case:

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:01:33pm

Thank you for your service Tim Walz.

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KGxvi  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:01:41pm

re: #276 Weaselone

I’m curious as to why the Democrats feel the need to release their memo. The Nune’s Memo blew up in the Republican’s faces. I’m not sure why we would need to follow up on their own goal with an attempt at what could be one of our own.

Apparently the Dems’ memo refutes a bunch of stuff in the Nunes Memo. It keeps that stupidity in the news cycle a little longer. And, as I mentioned in my last comment, creates the potential for “what is the president trying to hide?” to become the new central question of this story.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:02:45pm

re: #280 DodgerFan1988

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:02:47pm

re: #276 Weaselone

I’m curious as to why the Democrats feel the need to release their memo. The Nune’s Memo blew up in the Republican’s faces. I’m not sure why we would need to follow up on their own goal with an attempt at what could be one of our own.

In Republican alternate-reality, the memo was devastating to the corrupt Democrats who are trying to bring down our dear leader. There are a lot of people who get some input from propagandists and some from real news, They must be convinced that the propagandists are lying about this.

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Varek Raith  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:06:27pm

Instead of just not clapping they should give him the bird.

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Sea Mexican!  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:07:17pm

re: #276 Weaselone

I’m curious as to why the Democrats feel the need to release their memo. The Nune’s Memo blew up in the Republican’s faces. I’m not sure why we would need to follow up on their own goal with an attempt at what could be one of our own.

They painted themselves in the corner. Maybe the original memo had more damaging information, and they needed to address it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:09:50pm

Just one month ago today….

Well, on the plus side,, he’s STILL got the record fastest 1000 point move….

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:15:58pm

re: #286 Blind Frog Belly White

Just one month ago today….

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Well, on the plus side,, he’s STILL got the record fastest 1000 point move….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:16:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:18:45pm
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Schroedinger's Dog  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:18:49pm

re: #284 Varek Raith

Instead of just not clapping they should give him the bird.

Or.practice screaming you lie in unison

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:26:00pm

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Carter Page is such an idiot, some poor sap is going to be stuck living in a cell with him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:28:03pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:29:36pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:34:26pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:40:22pm

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:42:03pm

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She’s lost her looks, which she’d gotten by on all her life, and that’s the only thing she had going for her.

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Citizen K  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:44:13pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart

re: #56 Blind Frog Belly White

Welp, this is where their recourse is taking them:

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garzooma  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:44:58pm

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Tonight on the #IngrahamAngle my EXCLUSIVE interview w/Carter Page, target of FISA surveillance & key to justifying Mueller probe.

And still no one interviewing the targets of the Russian hacking, who had their private information stolen and publicized.

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Interesting Times  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:50:36pm

Good goddamned grief:

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:53:56pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 5, 2018 • 4:55:08pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:01:31pm

re: #301 goddamnedfrank

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Interesting Times  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:01:43pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:05:26pm

re: #302 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

So would the corporate media. It would be the lead story on TV and headline news in the papers.

But with Trump it’s just another of the 1000s of outrageous things he says every month.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:07:53pm

re: #299 Interesting Times

Good goddamned grief:

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The stakes are a lot higher, but this reminds of the aura reader who tried to sue me for calling her a quack in print. The judge threw it out on the grounds that she was, well, a quack. The language was a bit more formal but that was the gist of it.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:10:08pm

re: #305 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The stakes are a lot higher, but this reminds of the aura reader who tried to sue me for calling her a quack in print. The judge threw it out on the grounds that she was, well, a quack. The language was a big more formal but that was the gist of it.

Did you have to pay a lawyer to defend you? Jeesh!

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ObserverArt  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:12:55pm

So, the Democrats have taken the boat out and are going to be doing a little fishing. The bait is their version of a memo. The Trump Fish likes those big flashy memos.

The Democratic memo trolls The Big Orange Roughy forcing him to make a decision; refuse to release it and further the look of obstruction, or release it and say it is all lies even though now it will most likely be accepted as the real story.

He’s in the net flapping around either way.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:14:51pm

re: #306 Big Beautiful Door

Did you have to pay a lawyer to defend you? Jeesh!

It was pro bono.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:16:42pm

Too damn funny to not share again:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:26:29pm

popcorn time!

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:28:41pm

White people behaving badly:
Fires break out, cars flipped and fans try to tear down poles after Eagles win Super Bowl

Lawless thugs Fans celebrate flipping over a SUV on Walnut. Eagles fans watch and celebrate their Super Bowl LII victory over the New England Patriots. Monday February 5, 2018. Philadelphia, PA, USA

Black Lives Matter: Philadelphia Super Bowl Riots Reaction ‘Glaring Example of White Privilege’

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Stanley Sea  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:31:21pm

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

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popcorn time!

He was in for 2 weeks.

He’ll be out tomorrow.

Yeah, the dysfunction of this WH.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:33:00pm
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PhillyPretzel  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:34:07pm

re: #311 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Yes that did happen. And someone kicked in a display window at Macy’s. Stuff like this always happens when there is a unscheduled street party. The official parade will be on Thursday and I am still gathering information at this point. Please keep in mind that in other neighborhoods like West Philly at University of Penn there was very little in the way of damage.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:34:14pm
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Belafon  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:35:13pm

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

In the replies:

The first one was what I thought I was going to show.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:35:16pm

Junior is projecting like an IMAX in Outer Space

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makeitstop  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:35:40pm

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Refusing to sit for an interview opens the possibility that Mr. Mueller will subpoena the president to testify before a grand jury.”

Fun fact: ‘Grand Jury’ = Just Trump, no lawyers.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:37:33pm

re: #317 The Vicious Babushka

Junior is projecting like an IMAX in Outer Space

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He’s supposed to be running the business.

I just want to puke.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:38:53pm

re: #314 PhillyPretzel

Yes that did happen. And someone kicked in a display window at Macy’s. Stuff like this always happens when there is a unscheduled street party. The official parade will be on Thursday and I am still gathering information at this point. Please keep in mind that in other neighborhoods like West Philly at University of Penn there was very little in the way of damage.

“Why do white people destroy their own stores?”

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cat-tikvah  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:38:58pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart

They’ve decided to try to impeach the PA Supreme Court justices.
I called the Rep. proposing this and left this message: Apparently the GOP in PA can’t win if they don’t cheat. Well, now you and Tom Brady are in the same boat.”
I have had it with the GOP in this state.
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:40:00pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:41:11pm

re: #311 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

White people behaving badly:
Fires break out, cars flipped and fans try to tear down poles after Eagles win Super Bowl

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Black Lives Matter: Philadelphia Super Bowl Riots Reaction ‘Glaring Example of White Privilege’

It’s a total double standard, there’s no doubt about that, but something we’re doing isn’t working here. No matter how many times we point out the hypocrisy and double standards of right wingers, it seems to make no difference at all. It’s not just that they have no consciences and no shame, it’s that the rest of the country doesn’t seem to care either.

I don’t know what needs to happen to break this barrier of uncaring, but it’s a very real thing. Only liberals and Democrats ever seem to be accountable for double standards.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:41:59pm

re: #318 makeitstop

Fun fact: ‘Grand Jury’ = Just Trump, no lawyers.

If I was Trump’s attorneys and couldn’t quash the subpoena, I’ll tell him to plead the fifth in response to every question in front of the grand jury. If he answers, Trump will start lying and open himself up to perjury charges.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:44:02pm

re: #320 Blind Frog Belly White

I have no idea. I was at home and as a matter of fact here online and at LGF when this so-called party was taking place. Maybe it is because I am a fairly quiet person. I have no urge to destroy things that are mine or anyone else’s. There are other ways of expressing oneself with out resorting to violence and destroying property.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:45:21pm

re: #323 Charles Johnson

It’s a total double standard, there’s no doubt about that, but something we’re doing isn’t working here. No matter how many times we point out the hypocrisy and double standards of right wingers, it seems to make no difference at all. It’s not just that they have no consciences and no shame, it’s that the rest of the country doesn’t seem to care either.

I don’t know what needs to happen to break this barrier of uncaring, but it’s a very real thing. Only liberals and Democrats ever seem to be accountable for double standards.

For example, the GOP is running trillion dollar deficits after accusing Obama of bankrupting the economy, and their response to that being pointed out is “I wish you had cared when Obama was President.” That’s all they need to say, and their rank hypocrisy is overlooked.

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makeitstop  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:46:15pm

re: #324 Big Beautiful Door

If I was Trump’s attorneys and couldn’t quash the subpoena, I’ll tell him to plead the fifth in response to every question in front of the grand jury. If he answers, Trump will start lying and open himself up to perjury charges.

Mueller could probably bait him into blabbing his ass off without even trying hard.

And with no attorneys around to tell him to STFU, he’d probably tell Mueller more than he’s bargaining for.

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garzooma  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:46:24pm

re: #310 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Some news: @NYMag obtained private messages in which Raj Shah, the White House principal deputy press secretary, called Donald Trump “a deplorable” and, while at the RNC, …

What did the Russians get when they hacked the RNC?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:48:25pm

re: #326 Big Beautiful Door

For example, the GOP is running trillion dollar deficits after accusing Obama of bankrupting the economy, and their response to that being pointed out is “I wish you had cared when Obama was President.” That’s all they need to say, and their rank hypocrisy is overlooked.

To which the appropriate rejoinder is, “Well, clearly YOU didn’t actually care, either.”

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dangerman  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:48:54pm

re: #317 The Vicious Babushka

Junior is projecting like an IMAX in Outer Space
“Americans should be a little bit scared about what’s going on right now. Where you hear this stuff going on, you don’t think of this happening in the United States.
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Cf the Pennsylvania Senate and judges

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:49:17pm

re: #319 Stanley Sea

He’s supposed to be running the business.

I just want to puke.

The real business of the Trump family is “Protect Daddy.”

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BeachDem  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:49:22pm

re: #299 Interesting Times

Good goddamned grief:

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Just sent $50—what a fucking travesty.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:50:41pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:53:25pm

re: #329 Blind Frog Belly White

To which the appropriate rejoinder is, “Well, clearly YOU didn’t actually care, either.”

The thing is, the next time a Democrat is elected President the GOP will start running on “balanced budgets” again, and THE MEDIA WILL TREAT THEM LIKE THEY ARE SERIOUS, instead of pointing at them and laughing, and all of a sudden, the budget deficit will be a major issue again.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:54:27pm

Trump’s entire existence is a “perjury trap.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:55:02pm

re: #321 cat-tikvah

They’ve decided to try to impeach the PA Supreme Court justices.
I called the Rep. proposing this and left this message: Apparently the GOP in PA can’t win if they don’t cheat. Well, now you and Tom Brady are in the same boat.”
I have had it with the GOP in this state.
Image: 27657088_10155268066422653_1068316476063767516_n.jpg

My impression is that the GOP has not believed in representative democracy at least since Gingrich. They abandoned diversity as a positive value under Nixon’s Southern strategy. What is somewhat confusing to me is why the Republican billionaire class — Koch Bros, Mercers, Adelson, etc — are also aligned with Putin. I would have thought they would actually at least have some semblance of patriotism, but they don’t seem to care about this country either. Maybe it’s that Putin is one of their own — the richest man in the world through his grand theft and they admire him for his success in acquiring this wealth.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:56:20pm

re: #317 The Vicious Babushka

Junior is projecting like an IMAX in Outer Space

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Books, cover, and all that, but are their 2 people on this planet that look as stupid in photos as Trump, Jr. and Carlson?

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Jay C  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:56:35pm

re: #317 The Vicious Babushka

Junior is projecting like an IMAX in Outer Space

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What a stupid little putz. Yeah, Donny: Americans ARE scared about what’s going on in the country: what seems to escape you (like so many things, apparently) is that the thing they’re probably most scared of is that your incompetent idiot father is President.

Woot! Another meaningless-but-oddly-comforting milestone: only seven more updings to 10,000 Karma! Is there an Enlightenment Prize or something??

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Mike Lamb  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:58:08pm

Oh, we will see the go to move for Fuckface’s misstatements tomorrow: he was just joking.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:58:16pm

re: #338 Jay C

No prize but you might get a smile or a “way to go” from your fellow Lizards.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 5, 2018 • 5:58:26pm

I’m feeling a little blue tonight because three of the greatest musicians I ever worked with, George Duke, Ndugu Leon Chancler and Al Jarreau are all gone.

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Jay C  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:00:58pm

re: #340 PhillyPretzel

No prize but you might get a smile or a “way to go” from your fellow Lizards.

Close enough!

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fern01  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:01:40pm

re: #326 Big Beautiful Door

For example, the GOP is running trillion dollar deficits after accusing Obama of bankrupting the economy, and their response to that being pointed out is “I wish you had cared when Obama was President.” That’s all they need to say, and their rank hypocrisy is overlooked.

This always happens - GOPers spend, reduce taxes and then blame democrats for the deficit. President Obama understands economics, trump thinks all economics is explained by the dow, Bush thought taxes should be used to buy votes.

In most economies Government spending is a LARGE part of GNP - as republicans reduce government spending the GNP will tank, because business will never take up the slack.

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Citizen K  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:02:10pm

re: #329 Blind Frog Belly White

To which the appropriate rejoinder is, “Well, clearly YOU didn’t actually care, either.”

But see, they don’t have to care, Dems are the ‘adults in the room’ while the GOP is just ‘boys will be boys’.

Dems will get the blame for not stopping the GOP when they feed the dog anti-freeze.

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The Major  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:02:28pm

re: #341 Charles Johnson

I’m feeling a little blue tonight because three of the greatest musicians I ever worked with, George Duke, Ndugu Leon Chancler and Al Jarreau are all gone.

But take hear that some of the musicians you have been showing us here (Jacob Collier (?)) are filling in the void. Plus, the musicians that have left to their great rewards are now part of history - along with their performances.

My personal favorite Al Jarreau album: “This Time” (Including the songs “Spain (I can recall)” and “If you could only change your mind”.

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:02:53pm

re: #344 Citizen K

But see, they don’t have to care, Dems are the ‘adults in the room’ while the GOP is just ‘boys will be boys’.

Dems will get the blame for not stopping the GOP when they feed the dog anti-freeze.

“If you’d only picked a better candidate in 2016.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:03:08pm

re: #344 Citizen K

But see, they don’t have to care, Dems are the ‘adults in the room’ while the GOP is just ‘boys will be boys’.

Dems will get the blame for not stopping the GOP when they feed the dog anti-freeze.

And then they claim to be the adults in the room.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:03:22pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:03:58pm

re: #336 Hecuba’s daughter

My impression is that the GOP has not believed in representative democracy at least since Gingrich. They abandoned diversity as a positive value under Nixon’s Southern strategy. What is somewhat confusing to me is why the Republican billionaire class — Koch Bros, Mercers, Adelson, etc — are also aligned with Putin. I would have thought they would actually at least have some semblance of patriotism, but they don’t seem to care about this country either. Maybe it’s that Putin is one of their own — the richest man in the world through his grand theft and they admire him for his success in acquiring this wealth.

They don’t recognize any greater allegiance to anything other than themselves. When you are a billionaire, you are effectively an absolute monarch of your own little empire, a law unto themselves.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:05:02pm

re: #348 jaunte

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They’re not white. Duh.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:06:52pm

re: #349 Big Beautiful Door

They don’t recognize any greater allegiance to anything other than themselves. When you are a billionaire, you are effectively an absolute monarch of your own little empire, a law unto themselves.

Gingrich told them they didn’t have to compromise, that they could release the Monsters From The Id, that the other party are not just wrong, or misguided, but actually The Enemy.

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Citizen K  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:07:50pm

re: #348 jaunte

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Weaselone  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:09:01pm

re: #321 cat-tikvah

They’ve decided to try to impeach the PA Supreme Court justices.
I called the Rep. proposing this and left this message: Apparently the GOP in PA can’t win if they don’t cheat. Well, now you and Tom Brady are in the same boat.”
I have had it with the GOP in this state.
Image: 27657088_10155268066422653_1068316476063767516_n.jpg

I wonder if the GOP has thought this all the way through. They’ve insulated themselves from being voted out and if they then prevent resolution through the courts, exactly what option do they think will be left to the people they’re disenfranchising.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:09:51pm

re: #341 Charles Johnson

I’m feeling a little blue tonight because three of the greatest musicians I ever worked with, George Duke, Ndugu Leon Chancler and Al Jarreau are all gone.

When true masters of their art fall, the world is lessened. But then you get those young guys coming up. Like Jacob Collier. Meanwhile, listen to your doc, look both ways when crossing the street okay?

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:15:17pm

re: #353 Weaselone

I wonder if the GOP has thought this all the way through. They’ve insulated themselves from being voted out and if they then prevent resolution through the courts, exactly what option do they think will be left to the people they’re disenfranchising.

That is why they support a militarized police state, duh.

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The Major  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:16:39pm

re: #349 Big Beautiful Door

When you are a billionaire, you are effectively an absolute monarch of your own little empire, a law unto themselves.

Yet they can’t take their money with them upon their death…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:17:24pm
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jaunte  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:17:46pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:19:39pm

re: #356 The Major

Yet they can’t take their money with them upon their death…..

That is why they are either working to abolish estate taxes to keep their dynasties flush, or working on technology to try to literally cheat death and live forever.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:21:20pm

re: #333 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ten Colorado law enforcement officers have died in the line of duty since December 31st.

We don’t know anything about the deceased suspect, except that he was stopped as part of a car theft investigation.
I do know that Colorado Springs is absolutely infested with paranoid ammosexuals.
My brother, who lives in the Springs, had a co-worker who habitually used code words for anything gun related, such as “bowling alley” for shooting range. He did this because he was sure the NSA could, and would, eavesdrop on private conversations conducted in person in the breakroom of an private, civilian facility. .
Four casualties to law enforcement would at least suggest that the shooter was well armed and fairly proficient.

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Kragar  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:24:22pm
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scottslemmons  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:25:00pm

re: #336 Hecuba’s daughter

My impression is that the GOP has not believed in representative democracy at least since Gingrich. They abandoned diversity as a positive value under Nixon’s Southern strategy. What is somewhat confusing to me is why the Republican billionaire class — Koch Bros, Mercers, Adelson, etc — are also aligned with Putin. I would have thought they would actually at least have some semblance of patriotism, but they don’t seem to care about this country either. Maybe it’s that Putin is one of their own — the richest man in the world through his grand theft and they admire him for his success in acquiring this wealth.

They’re not citizens of any nation. They’re citizens of Money. Money is all they hold loyalty to.

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makeitstop  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:25:34pm

re: #341 Charles Johnson

I’m feeling a little blue tonight because three of the greatest musicians I ever worked with, George Duke, Ndugu Leon Chancler and Al Jarreau are all gone.

I was re-reading Rolling Stone’s Tom Petty tribute, and I loved this quote from Bruce Springsteen:

“Good songs stay written. Good records stay made. They are always filled with the promise and hope and life essence of their creator.”

The great thing about your friends is the work they left behind. People who are fortunate enough to discover it in coming years will ensure that they’re gone but not forgotten.

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scottslemmons  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:25:37pm

re: #353 Weaselone

I wonder if the GOP has thought this all the way through. They’ve insulated themselves from being voted out and if they then prevent resolution through the courts, exactly what option do they think will be left to the people they’re disenfranchising.

In that case, they’ll have the police go and shoot the people.

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IngisKahn  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:27:01pm

Am excite for Falcon Heavy tomorrow. Chilling in Cocoa Beach tonight for the big show tomorrow ::fingers crossed::

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:28:08pm

re: #361 Kragar

The GOP has taught the Administration that they don’t have to follow any rules. We’re at the stage where the teacher can’t control the class.

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scottslemmons  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:30:21pm

re: #366 Belafon

The GOP has taught the Administration that they don’t have to follow any rules. We’re at the stage where the teacher can’t control the class.

What really puts us in trouble is that the principal and vice principal aren’t on their way down the hallway to glare the kids back under control. :(

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Stanley Sea  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:32:11pm

re: #363 makeitstop

I was re-reading Rolling Stone’s Tom Petty tribute, and I loved this quote from Bruce Springsteen:

The great thing about your friends is the work they left behind. People who are fortunate enough to discover it in coming years will ensure that they’re gone but not forgotten.

I am still gutted over losing Tom.

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Jay C  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:33:38pm

re: #367 scottslemmons

What really puts us in trouble is that the principal and vice principal aren’t on their way down the hallway to glare the kids back under control. :(

‘Cuz the P and VP are spending their time making speeches to the local Chamber of Commerce about how fabulously well the schools are doing, and trying to distract attention from the columns of smoke rising up…..

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:34:42pm

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:35:28pm

re: #353 Weaselone

I wonder if the GOP has thought this all the way through. They’ve insulated themselves from being voted out and if they then prevent resolution through the courts, exactly what option do they think will be left to the people they’re disenfranchising.

Hitler, Mussolini, and Putin are all role models for how to handle a population that disapproves of your rule. Our historical treatment of Native Americans, African Americans, and Japanese shows that we have existing precedents here on what to do.

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Kragar  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:37:48pm

re: #370 GlutenFreeJesus

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Weaselone  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:39:44pm

re: #371 Hecuba’s daughter

Hitler, Mussolini, and Putin are all role models for how to handle a population that disapproves of your rule. Our historical treatment of Native Americans, African Americans, and Japanese shows that we have existing precedents here on what to do.

I wasn’t under the impression that liberal had any defining physical characteristics.

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makeitstop  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:40:29pm

re: #368 Stanley Sea

I am still gutted over losing Tom.

Me, too. But Springsteen’s quote is a powerful truth.

The art that Charles’ fellow musicians created was groundbreaking, and while they’re no longer here, we still have the privilege of listening and marveling at it and learning from it.

There was another part to the Springsteen quote - “It’s sad that he’s gone, but it was nice to be alive in his lifetime.”

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:41:22pm

re: #373 Weaselone

I wasn’t under the impression that liberal had any defining physical characteristics.

Did you click the wrong comment to reply to?

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:41:47pm

re: #373 Weaselone

I wasn’t under the impression that liberal had any defining physical characteristics.

Neither was being Jewish, or communist.

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meteor  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:46:07pm

I’ve got the flu. I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but this has me wondering whether Trump is trying to wipe us all out with an epidemic.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:49:36pm

re: #377 meteor

I’ve got the flu. I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but this has me wondering whether Trump is trying to wipe us all out with an epidemic.

My wife is recovering from the Flu, so I’m pretty sure its not Captain Trips.

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Weaselone  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:50:03pm

re: #375 Belafon

Did you click the wrong comment to reply to?

I don’t believe so. I do find it strange that that my hinting that this type of activity could lead to more acts like the Scalise shooting seems to be getting so much push pack / assumption that the next step is genocide/internment camp of liberals.

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meteor  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:50:03pm

re: #378 Big Beautiful Door

Thx :)

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teleskiguy  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:50:05pm

re: #360 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

When Deputy Zackari Parrish was killed in Douglas County, the suspect fired over a hundred rounds in less than a few minutes.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:51:04pm

re: #374 makeitstop

Me, too. But Springsteen’s quote is a powerful truth.

The art that Charles’ fellow musicians created was groundbreaking, and while they’re no longer here, we still have the privilege of listening and marveling at it and learning from it.

There was another part to the Springsteen quote - “It’s sad that he’s gone, but it was nice to be alive in his lifetime.”

“Don’t be sad I’m gone, be happy we had all those years”
Wise Cat, translation by beloved anon

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:51:06pm

re: #379 Weaselone

I don’t believe so. I do find it strange that that my hinting that this type of activity could lead to more acts like the Scalise shooting seems to be getting so much push pack / assumption that the next step is genocide/internment camp of liberals.

OK. I was having trouble placing the context of your statement.

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EPR-radar  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:53:47pm

re: #168 Dr. Matt

Billy is a straight-up Cultist. There really is no other way to describe him:

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Trumpholster isn’t bad, for a bit of variety.

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dangerman  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:54:30pm

re: #358 jaunte

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technically???
technically????

How about “factually” ya knobhead

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teleskiguy  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:54:41pm

re: #381 teleskiguy

The guy who killed Deputy Parrish was a Trump supporter who posted Pepe The Frog memes on social media.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:55:11pm

I notice that embedded tweets are no longer showing the number of retweets or allow you to retweet directly from the embed. I’m guessing this was done to make it harder for troll farms to coordinate viral campaigns via a central web site listing tweets to be signal boosted.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:55:54pm

re: #376 Big Beautiful Door

Neither was being Jewish, or communist.

And at Kent State, unarmed protesters were murdered by representatives of the state. The Haymarket massacre in 1886 involved the deaths of trade unionists. Too many in authority are quite willing to murder those who stand up to them.

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teleskiguy  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:57:15pm

10 cops killed in Colorado in the line of duty this year. A few instances they were simply outgunned. What a great country.

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teleskiguy  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:58:53pm

re: #389 teleskiguy

I should amend this. Only three of these 10 were murdered.

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ObserverArt  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:59:32pm

re: #389 teleskiguy

10 cops killed in Colorado in the line of duty this year. A few instances they were simply outgunned. What a great country.

When it comes to allowing guns the ways we do, the NRA is willing to admit Even Blue Lives Don’t Matter…Guns Are God.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 5, 2018 • 6:59:37pm

re: #389 teleskiguy

10 cops killed in Colorado in the line of duty this year. A few instances they were simply outgunned. What a great country.

According to the NRA, that is precisely why the Second Amendment exists.

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meteor  Feb 5, 2018 • 7:02:33pm

re: #392 Big Beautiful Door

Buncha Turner Diaries assholes.

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teleskiguy  Feb 5, 2018 • 7:03:09pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2018 • 7:04:05pm

OK, Rachel just said Bannon will refuse to appear before the House Intelligence Committee even though he has been subpoenaed!

So, is Trump going to pardon him?

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teleskiguy  Feb 5, 2018 • 7:05:38pm

All these guys that have died in the line of duty in Colorado have left behind very young families.

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meteor  Feb 5, 2018 • 7:07:21pm

re: #396 teleskiguy

So sad.

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EPR-radar  Feb 5, 2018 • 7:07:38pm

re: #359 Big Beautiful Door

That is why they are either working to abolish estate taxes to keep their dynasties flush, or working on technology to try to literally cheat death and live forever.

If any real technology for immortality becomes available, that will pretty much doom civilization.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2018 • 7:08:44pm

re: #370 GlutenFreeJesus

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teleskiguy  Feb 5, 2018 • 7:08:46pm

re: #397 meteor

I should also add that all three guys killed were younger than me. I’m 35.

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meteor  Feb 5, 2018 • 7:09:35pm

re: #400 teleskiguy

Terrible. :(

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teleskiguy  Feb 5, 2018 • 7:11:06pm

What is it with Colorado and notorious gun murders? Columbine fucked us up.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 5, 2018 • 7:13:17pm

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

So what happens if Trump defies the subpoena?

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meteor  Feb 5, 2018 • 7:14:08pm

re: #403 Patricia Kayden

Let the Capitol Police come in and arrest his ass! Please let it be the Capitol Police!

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meteor  Feb 5, 2018 • 7:30:35pm

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