Top Trump Aide Rob Porter Out After Allegations He Abused His Ex-Wives

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In the latest sordid episode of the corruption-riddled, scandal-plagued Trump administration, today another of his top aides, Rob Porter, was forced to resign when the news broke that he’d physically and mentally abused two of his ex-wives — and then Chief of Staff John Kelly actually defended him and wanted him to stay.

For weeks, Donald Trump has been souring on his Chief of Staff John Kelly because of his controlling ways and rising public profile. And now Kelly is in the midst of a bonafide crisis, one that exacerbates the president’s own #MeToo problems. On Tuesday, Kelly strongly defended White House Staff Secretary Rob Porter against disturbing allegations, first published in the Daily Mail, that he abused his ex-wives. Kelly’s decision to back Porter has left many people inside the White House angry, two sources with knowledge of the matter said. On Wednesday afternoon, Porter resigned. Axios reported Kelly wanted Porter to “stay and fight.”

Yesterday, Porter’s second wife, Jennifer Willoughby, told the Mail that Porter called her a “fucking bitch” on their honeymoon, and once pulled her naked out of the shower. In response, Kelly put out a statement calling Porter “a man of true integrity and honor” and a “trusted professional.” But shortly after Kelly rallied behind his colleague, Porter’s first wife came forward with additional harrowing allegations. Colbie Holderness, who married Porter in 2009, told the Daily Mail that Porter punched her in the face and choked her, among other alleged abuses. The article included a photo of her with a black eye. “It was not hard enough for me to pass out, but it was scary, humiliating, and dehumanizing,” she said. Porter told the Daily Mail that the allegations were “slanderous and simply false.”

Kelly’s decision to go to bat for Porter deeply frustrated White House staffers, sources told me. He was supposed to be the West Wing’s resident grown-up, but staffers are increasingly questioning Kelly’s judgment, four Republicans close to the White House told me. “It’s beyond disbelief. Everyone is trying to figure out why Kelly is leading the charge to save him,” one former West Wing official said.

And it gets worse. Because there’s also evidence that Kelly and the FBI knew about Porter’s misogynistic history before this news broke.

If Kelly did not know about the allegations in Porter’s past, then his unflinching defense is a matter of bad judgment, but there are reasons to believe that Kelly should have known. Both of Porter’s ex-wives told The Intercept that they had informed FBI agents vetting Porter about the past abuse. A senior administration official also told Politico that Kelly was aware of a 2010 protective order against Porter.

Every decent person knew America was in trouble when Donald Trump was elected, but every day it keeps getting worse.

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236 comments

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:30:46pm

I stand by my assessment that we are watching DeSadian nihilism enter the political mainstream.

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:31:43pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:32:34pm

Trump has the amazing ability to bring everyone around him down to his level. There are no exceptions.

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JordanRules  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:33:39pm

Another one off the island!

Meanwhile, another castoff, Omarosa will be on Big Brother tonight.

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ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:37:19pm

re: #3 Skip Intro

Trump has the amazing ability to bring everyone around him down to his level. There are no exceptions.

Is it that, or does he surround himself with those already down at his level and we only know it because once operating with him, they can skip all the pretenses?

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:38:23pm

re: #2 Targetpractice

That Ultraviolet ad needs to go viral. That’s the kind of message that Dems should be pushing while simultaneously explaining what they have to offer to the American people.

We all knew Trump was sexist before he was elected. Things have only gotten worse and his lack of judgment means that things will not get any better. He just doesn’t respect women.

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Skip Intro  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:38:24pm

re: #5 ObserverArt

I thought Kelly was supposed to be the rational one. He isn’t now.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:39:35pm

re: #3 Skip Intro

Or to find miscreants who are already at his level.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:40:06pm

Porter had a security clearance despite the restraining order out against him and any investigation that would have revealed significant issues.

He was kept around anyways.

Kushner still has clearance despite lying on multiple SF-86s.

Nothing about Trumpworld is legit - and they are undermining US national security daily with these nonstop violations and ignoring policy and practice.

And all that’s before we start talking about Trump policy choices, especially related to anything with Russia in it.

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:41:05pm

re: #7 Skip Intro

I thought Kelly was supposed to be the rational one. He isn’t now.

I suspect that most, if not all, of those who call themselves conservative Republicans publicly are FOX cultists, meaning that they belong to a hate cult. The FOX viewers who rage at their TVs are the same people who form the current government.

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ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:41:48pm

re: #7 Skip Intro

I thought Kelly was supposed to be the rational one. He isn’t now.

You just made the point I was floating. We thought Kelly was a morally good guy. That was just pretense. Kelly was down at Trump level all along. He needed Trump to give him the space to get his freak on. Really they all display that once they work with Trump. He allows monstrosity.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:42:13pm
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:42:24pm

Sorry OT LOL. The GAME MUST GO ON!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:42:46pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:43:40pm

re: #1 The Ghost of a Flea

I stand by my assessment that we are watching DeSadian nihilism enter the political mainstream.

Rape is pretty much a GOP ‘family value’ at this point.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:43:46pm

re: #9 lawhawk

From what I have read, Porter had a partial security clearance and couldn’t get a full one because of the restraining order. The fact that he has been in the White House for a full year and thus privy to confidential documents is astounding. And yet Republicans howled about Secretary Clinton’s email server.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:44:28pm

Newly released text messages between FBI lovers Peter Strzok and Lisa Page saying Barack Obama wanted to “know everything” the FBI was “doing” could raise questions about the former president’s 2016 statement that he was not involved in discussing pending probes.
— Most of us knew he was a feminized liar —

breitbart trolls are losing the thread by promoting soporifically nerdaceous theories that are as arcane as theological disputes…

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:45:43pm

re: #14 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I commend you for trying to reach some of the deplorables but it seems like a losing battle, tbh. They’re gone.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:47:04pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:47:08pm

Turned this around on this hateful person who talks about love and respect while calling people “snowflakes”

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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:47:27pm

I never thought John Kelly was a good person or would be a moderating force in the White House. He has a history of extremism on issues like immigration and Islam, and that’s why he was picked as Chief of Staff. The meme that he was going to help rein in Trump’s idiocy was always bullshit.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:48:00pm

re: #15 EPR-radar

Rape is pretty much a GOP ‘family value’ at this point.

A husband can’t rape their wife. How do you rape your own property?

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JordanRules  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:48:14pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Yessir!

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EPR-radar  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:48:38pm

re: #11 ObserverArt

You just made the point I was floating. We thought Kelly was a morally good guy. That was just pretense. Kelly was down at Trump level all along. He needed Trump to give him the space to get his freak on. Really they all display that once they work with Trump. He allows monstrosity.

That’s exactly it. 40 years of Republican dog whistling all the worst aspects of human nature has primed the party for its instantaneous and total takeover by the first candidate to openly and proudly be the right kind of piece of shit.

The world ends in Vonnegut’s Cat’s Cradle when one little crystal of ice-9 finds its way into the ocean and all the water on earth instantaneously becomes solid. The election of 2016 was a political equivalent of that, where one absolutely evil man crystallized the entire GOP into a markedly more evil state than it had been in before. It remains to be seen if this is a world-ending event.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:48:47pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:50:27pm

re: #18 Patricia Kayden

I commend you for trying to reach some of the deplorables but it seems like a losing battle, tbh. They’re gone.

I post more for other people who see the Tweets and might not be as damaged.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:51:01pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

I never thought John Kelly was a good person or would be a moderating force in the White House. He has a history of extremism on issues like immigration and Islam, and that’s why he was picked as Chief of Staff. The meme that he was going to help rein in Trump’s idiocy was always bullshit.

Yep. There was a lot of wishful thinking with Kelly. He’s more Edwin Walker than George Marshall.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:51:08pm

This explains why the Russo-publican conspira-lie machine is going to such lengths to hype the non-existent pizzagate pedophile network. Since they can’t deny their own guilt, or erase it from the public mind, they must make the opposition seem even worse.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:51:32pm

re: #20 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Which is stronger for you snowflakes, your hate for Trump or your love of our USA?

My love for the USA DRIVES my hate for Trump, because he regularly demonstrates antipathy to the very core of what America is.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:51:47pm

re: #15 EPR-radar

Most of us are raised with the premise that justice is equally applied, but there’s a ton of US institutions that have quietly pushed towards a pre-Enlightenment system in which morality starts with checking the org chart of How Much You Matter, then determines degree of culpability.

But now it’s really open.

I cite de Sade because of his formula about people choosing to empathize with the powerful (the torturer rather than the tortured) because it’s gratifying applies to all this shit.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:51:51pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:52:49pm

re: #16 Patricia Kayden

From what I have read, Porter had a partial security clearance and couldn’t get a full one because of the restraining order. The fact that he has been in the White House for a full year and thus privy to confidential documents is astounding. And yet Republicans howled about Secretary Clinton’s email server.

1) Nothing in white world emails could be all that secret to begin with.

2) Underneath all the Fox News/GOP caterwauling, the issue at hand seems to be that there were three paragraphs marked (c) (after the fact by the originating agency?) in some 30,000 emails. (c) in this context means ‘confidential’, which is the lowest level of classified info. IIRC summer interns can get cleared for that.

3) So emailgate was just another giant GOP nothing burger.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:53:06pm

re: #31 lawhawk

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“Don’t take what the President of the United States says in public seriously” is a strange defense.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:53:12pm

re: #29 Blind Frog Belly White

My love for the USA DRIVES my hate for Trump, because he regularly demonstrates antipathy to the very core of what America is.

Trumpkins live in an inverted reality that Republican propagandists built for them. They couldn’t handle changing their platform to be more attractive to sane people, so they drove the Conservatives insane with propaganda instead.

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:53:46pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

I never thought John Kelly was a good person or would be a moderating force in the White House. He has a history of extremism on issues like immigration and Islam, and that’s why he was picked as Chief of Staff. The meme that he was going to help rein in Trump’s idiocy was always bullshit.

I admit, I’m one of those who got snookered, but that’s because I wasn’t really paying attention what Kelly was doing prior to his being brought in as CoS. In retrospect, what seemed like “cleaning house” was really about Kelly running out contrary voices in order to establish himself as the gatekeeper.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:54:05pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:54:34pm

Here’s a picture of the mug of a rich white woman-abusing asshole who wants to live forever and never age.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:54:36pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:54:44pm

re: #33 Blind Frog Belly White

“Don’t take what the President of the United States says in public seriously” is a strange defense.

And yet they’ve been making it for months because the media keeps letting them get away with it. We’re supposed to write it off as the man being “plain-spoken” or “not being up to speed.”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:55:30pm

re: #14 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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deplorables’ minds are shut up tight. they can’t be reasoned with, only outvoted

election day 2018 will soon be here

EMERGENCY!

EMERGENCY!

ALL HANDS ON DECK!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:55:38pm

re: #14 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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teleskiguy  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:56:30pm
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:56:54pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

I never thought John Kelly was a good person or would be a moderating force in the White House. He has a history of extremism on issues like immigration and Islam, and that’s why he was picked as Chief of Staff. The meme that he was going to help rein in Trump’s idiocy was always bullshit.

Exactly. His short stint as Secretary of Homeland Security saw ICE and CBP go nuts in terms of how visitors and migrants were treated. He’s a fascist just like Trump. Racist too given his comments about the Civil War and treatment of Rep Fredricka Wilson.

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:57:09pm

The whole story seems to be slowly forming that the WH knew or strongly suspected Porter was a serial abuser, but sat on the story and allowed him to remain because they didn’t honestly believe there was physical evidence.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:57:48pm

re: #37 teleskiguy

Here’s a picture of the mug of a rich white woman-abusing asshole who wants to live forever and never age.

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He’ll look fine once they center his mouth with the next surgery.

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EPR-radar  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:58:29pm

re: #37 teleskiguy

Here’s a picture of the mug of a rich white woman-abusing asshole who wants to live forever and never age.

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This kind of thing is why I’m convinced that the discovery of a real immortality procedure would end civilization. Inevitably the worst people on the planet would make themselves (and only themselves) immortal. At which point the need for a fairly vigorous revolution would become very clear indeed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:58:42pm

re: #43 Patricia Kayden

Exactly. His short stint as Secretary of Homeland Security saw ICE and CBP go nuts in terms of how visitors and migrants were treated. He’s a fascist just like Trump. Racist too given his comments about the Civil War and treatment of Rep Fredricka Wilson.

Yep his time at DHS was a harbinger for how he’s been as CoS and yeah how he treated Rep Wilson was awful and his comments about the Civil War. Or his more recent comments about immigrants.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:58:44pm
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dangerman  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:58:51pm

As I said downstream

It’s not the GOP

It’s the effing white house did this

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scottslemmons  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:59:12pm

It occurs to me that Twitter needs a revision of their reporting system that lets you flag likely bots.

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:59:47pm

re: #50 scottslemmons

It occurs to me that Twitter needs a revision of their reporting system that lets you flag likely bots.

The hard part is that bots would abuse it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2018 • 5:59:50pm

re: #42 teleskiguy

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They’ve been for a long time. Not even hiding it anymore. They’re not a gun owners rights organization. They’re a bunch of fascist assholes who like guns but they’re about the gun industry and a disgusting interpretation of the 2nd amendment. And of course they’re racist as fuck.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:00:00pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:00:20pm

re: #46 EPR-radar

This kind of thing is why I’m convinced that the discovery of a real immortality procedure would end civilization. Inevitably the worst people on the planet would make themselves (and only themselves) immortal. At which point the need for a fairly vigorous revolution would become very clear indeed.

The immortals would amass knowledge and power that would make them very hard to take down by the time they’re 100-150. The revolution would have to happen quickly.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:00:28pm

Orrin Hatch is such a fuckhead. In these situations, it’s so, so simple not to fuck up. You say,

“These are very serious accusations. If they are true, they show a side of Rob I’d never seen in our years working together. This whole thing just makes me feel sad.”

People have a couple choices for how to interpret it, since you haven’t really come down on either side. And you’ve given yourself an out for not knowing about it, since abuse is rarely done in public - that way the abuser can isolate the abused even more.

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ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:02:47pm

re: #32 EPR-radar

1) Nothing in white world emails could be all that secret to begin with.

2) Underneath all the Fox News/GOP caterwauling, the issue at hand seems to be that there were three paragraphs marked (c) (after the fact by the originating agency?) in some 30,000 emails. (c) in this context means ‘confidential’, which is the lowest level of classified info. IIRC summer interns can get cleared for that.

3) So emailgate was just another giant GOP nothing burger.

Ahh, you remind me of the email I wrote Chris Cillizza asking that very same thing.

“Why do 3 out of 30,000 lowly classified (and maybe incorrectly on two of those) emails make it something you seem to want to hang her on? Why do you continually make it bigger than it is? Can you explain, or should I draw my own conclusions?”

Funny, never did hear back. Heh.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:03:00pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Yep. There was a lot of wishful thinking with Kelly. He’s more Edwin Walker than George Marshall.

Upding for Walker reference. Edwin Walker

Edwin Anderson Walker (November 10, 1909 - October 31, 1993) — known as Ted Walker — was a United States Army officer who served in World War II and the Korean War. He became known for his staunch conservative political opinions and was criticized by U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower for promoting a personal political opinion while in uniform.

He was reprimanded again and forced to resign under President Kennedy. He became a star in Bircher world, along with the up and coming Phyllis Schlafly and has the distinction of being shot at by Lee Harvey Oswald a few months before the JFK assassination.
He has something else in common with many Trumperati, some unpleasant personal baggage.

Walker, then 66, was arrested on June 23, 1976, for public lewdness in a restroom at a Dallas park. He was accused of fondling and propositioning a male undercover police officer. He was arrested again in Dallas for public lewdness on March 16, 1977. He pleaded Nolo contendere (no contest) to one of the two misdemeanor charges, was given a suspended and a 30-day jail sentence and fined $1,000.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:03:30pm

re: #42 teleskiguy

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So what if she burns a copy of the NYT? Truth still prevails. What an idiot.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:03:31pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:04:42pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

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I recall the rage furby claiming that “taking scalps” is what journalists do, and suggesting he was thinking of serial killers.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:05:02pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Calling immigrants lazy while working for a man who plays golf pretty much all the time and wakes up late to watch t.v. takes a whole lot of nerve.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:05:16pm

re: #57 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Upding for Walker reference. Edwin Walker

He was reprimanded again and forced to resign under President Kennedy. He became a star in Bircher world, along with the up and coming Phyllis Schlafly and has the distinction of being shot at by Lee Harvey Oswald a few months before the JFK assassination.
He has something else in common with many Trumperati, some unpleasant personal baggage.

Yeah he was a lunatic. A lot of people don’t know that Oswald targeted him before JFK. The man was a right wing kook as you get at. George C. Marshall IMO is one of the most underappreciated Americans by the average America of any era not just that era because of his work in WWII and Korea. There’s a school around here, in fact it’s my Dad’s alma mater that’s named after him and they’re called the Statesmen, that was George Marshall, that’s not General Kelly nor was it General Walker.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:05:54pm

re: #61 Patricia Kayden

Calling immigrants lazy while working for a man who plays golf pretty much all the time and wakes up late to watch t.v. takes a whole lot of nerve.

Exactly. And while having made the previous excuse the Schiff memo was “long” Kelly’s nothing but a prick.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:05:56pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:07:05pm

re: #42 teleskiguy

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Maybe the Times will allow the NRA to do an opinion piece in their fine publication. Or, Maggie can do a touching story about how liberals just do not understand people of the good conservative earth and their guns and religion.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:07:23pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

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I think a lot of people wrongly thought that because Kelly was a former general and a Gold Star parent at that, he’d bring some humanity to Trump but he hasn’t. I’m sorry he lost his son but he showed his true colors to me during his time at DHS and then really when he attacked Rep Wilson because she dared to criticize Trump.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:07:45pm

re: #28 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:08:01pm

re: #54 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The immortals would amass knowledge and power that would make them very hard to take down by the time they’re 100-150. The revolution would have to happen quickly.

Looked at another way, if the immortality treatment were godawfully expensive, and thus only available to a very few, the resentment of everyone else toward them would become so great that there would be a big target on their backs.

I mean, right now there are ludicrously rich people like the Mercers and the Kochs, but we can see them getting older. And we know that cancer, heart disease - hell, even the flu! could kill them anytime, just as it could any of us. Take that away, and you remove one of the few things that puts us all in the same boat.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:09:48pm

The closest Trump has ever been to military hardware:

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teleskiguy  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:10:00pm

So, I bought this at the bookstore today. A lot to unpack, that’s for sure.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:10:10pm

re: #54 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The immortals would amass knowledge and power that would make them very hard to take down by the time they’re 100-150. The revolution would have to happen quickly.

Also,

Queen - ‘Who Wants To Live Forever’

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:12:35pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

The whole story seems to be slowly forming that the WH knew or strongly suspected Porter was a serial abuser, but sat on the story and allowed him to remain because they didn’t honestly believe there was physical evidence.

They’ve let Trump stay in the White House too because there’s no physical evidence so the way they handled Porter appears to be par for the course.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:14:30pm

re: #70 teleskiguy

So, I bought this at the bookstore today. A lot to unpack, that’s for sure.

Ages ago in North Beach, Frisco, the early 1980’s to be somewhat precise, I had the pleasure of occasionally bending the elbow and shooting the bull with the inimitable Warren Winckle. I suspect the book is total bullshit, but I’d much rather read Mr. Hinkle’s bullshit than most anyone else’s bullshit (though I have to admit I thought he was run over by a train years ago, so that was total bullshit). He reminded me a lot of Malachy McCourt, another wonderful character, writer, editor and elbowbender. I seriously doubt I’ll ever read it, but I hope the book sells like psilocybin-laced hotcakes, because back in the day he made me and others at Vesuvio Cafe, and other joints, laugh our sides off.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:14:40pm

And to think we only have 2 years, 11 months and 12 days left of this international nightmare.

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scottslemmons  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:16:49pm

re: #74 Rocky-in-Connecticut

And to think we only have 2 years, 11 months and 12 days left of this international nightmare.

Feh, optimism.

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:17:25pm

re: #74 Rocky-in-Connecticut

And to think we only have 2 years, 11 months and 12 days left of this international nightmare.

Thanks for harshing my mellow.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:18:26pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:18:38pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:19:05pm

“Russians penetrated US voter systems is 2016” - NBC News tonight

The response: a big yawn.

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:19:41pm

re: #77 goddamnedfrank

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FFS, will nobody ever shoot that fucking zombie talking point in the goddamn head?!

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Mike Lamb  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:20:50pm

re: #77 goddamnedfrank

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Don’t forget Lieberman.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:21:15pm

Richard Pryor’s Widow Confirms He and Marlon Brando Did the Freaky Deaky

When asked if Richard did in fact have sex with Brando, Jennifer said “”It was the ’70s! Drugs were still good, especially quaaludes. If you did enough cocaine, you’d fuck a radiator and send it flowers in the morning.”

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nines09  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:21:47pm

re: #50 scottslemmons

It occurs to me that Twitter needs a revision of their reporting system that lets you flag likely bots.

What makes you think Jack doesn’t like bots? Jack likes money. Bots are clicks. Clicks are traffic. Traffic is numbers. Numbers are money. Jack likes money.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:21:59pm

re: #82 The Ghost of a Flea

Richard Pryor’s Widow Confirms He and Marlon Brando Did the Freaky Deaky

We’ve been living in an era of too much information for a while now.

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Citizen K  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:22:34pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

FFS, will nobody ever shoot that fucking zombie talking point in the goddamn head?!

Of course not. Because how else will they be able to claim that Dems are the real problem?

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:22:46pm
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BeachDem  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:23:17pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

The whole story seems to be slowly forming that the WH knew or strongly suspected Porter was a serial abuser, but sat on the story and allowed him to remain because they didn’t honestly believe there was physical evidence.

Ah, but palace intrigue expert Maggie says it’s been “in the ether” for mere weeks.

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Citizen K  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:23:54pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

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MsJ  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:24:13pm

re: #77 goddamnedfrank

Or was worse than that. Remember that Joe Lieberman said he’d vote No if single payer was anywhere near the ACA.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:24:41pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

FFS, will nobody ever shoot that fucking zombie talking point in the goddamn head?!

Especially since it isn’t true (and it’s a right-wing talking point). After the election, Senator Al Franken’s victory was challenged in court by his Republican opponent, and Franken was not seated until much later. Shortly after Franken was seated, Senator Ted Kennedy died.

There was never a super-majority except for a few days (assuming all the D’s plus independents voted together), and things like saving the economy were an issue.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:25:04pm

re: #82 The Ghost of a Flea

Confirming a bit of that Quincy Jones interview.

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:25:05pm

re: #87 BeachDem

Ah, but palace intrigue expert Maggie says it’s been “in the ether” for mere weeks.

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We get it, Maggie, you’re working on a book and wanna keep your “access” until it’s off to the publishers. Word of advice: Journalists who risked their careers to report on the shit presidents tried to keep under wraps are better remembered than ones who turned tricks on paper in order to sell a book.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:25:09pm

re: #83 nines09

What makes you think Jack doesn’t like bots? Jack likes money. Bots are clicks. Clicks are traffic. Traffic is numbers. Numbers are money. Jack likes money.

Twitter is still a money hole, and may always be one, but I expect that Jack is taking a fat salary.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:25:22pm

re: #86 Targetpractice

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The Horror!

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nines09  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:25:53pm

re: #93 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I doubt Jack is losing any of his money.

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Sea Mexican!  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:26:05pm
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Citizen K  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:26:31pm

re: #77 goddamnedfrank

re: #89 MsJ

This shit is another thing that rankles me about the ‘Burn the Dem Party Down!’ rhetoric that seems set to sabotage things: the ahistorical world view, where they pretend that the DLC and Blue Dogs are still running things, when most got wiped out after the brilliant idea to run against Obama and the party as a whole in 2010 that saw them swept out by “more conservative than thou” Republicans.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:26:57pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

We get it, Maggie, you’re working on a book and wanna keep your “access” until it’s off to the publishers. Word of advice: Journalists who risked their careers to report on the shit presidents tried to keep under wraps are better remembered than ones who turned tricks on paper in order to sell a book.

See also: Judith Miller, who worked at the same publication.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:27:03pm

re: #91 lawhawk

All I’m saying is…I never shipped that.

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BeachDem  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:27:57pm

re: #46 EPR-radar

This kind of thing is why I’m convinced that the discovery of a real immortality procedure would end civilization. Inevitably the worst people on the planet would make themselves (and only themselves) immortal. At which point the need for a fairly vigorous revolution would become very clear indeed.

I read that book in 1970—The Methuselah Enzyme

An aging Wall Street businessman coaxes a scientist into testing a purported elixir of eternal rejuvenation on him.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:28:13pm

re: #96 Sea Mexican!

OT:

facebook.com

Roll Tide.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:28:34pm
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:28:39pm

re: #98 Anymouse 🌹

See also: Judith Miller, who worked at the same publication.

And was the leading cheerleader for the war in Iraq.

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TedStriker  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:28:54pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

We get it, Maggie, you’re working on a book and wanna keep your “access” until it’s off to the publishers. Word of advice: Journalists who risked their careers to report on the shit presidents tried to keep under wraps are better remembered than ones who turned tricks on paper in order to sell a book.

Yeah, but it didn’t make them rich beyond the dreams of avarice.

That’s why a bunch of the media is so willing to kowtow and play stenographer: it’s all about the cash.

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Skip Intro  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:29:41pm

re: #93 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Twitter is still a money hole, and may always be one, but I expect that Jack is taking a fat salary.

Jack knows the traffic will really pick near the midterms as the Russians flood his site with propaganda.

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EPR-radar  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:30:36pm

re: #65 ObserverArt

Maybe the Times will allow the NRA to do an opinion piece in their fine publication. Or, Maggie can do a touching story about how liberals just do not understand people of the good conservative earth and their guns and religion.

I understand US conservatives perfectly well. They are stupid and evil. This is proven because they have taken over the Republican party and turned it stupid and evil.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:31:53pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:31:59pm

re: #98 Anymouse 🌹

Speaking of hack women journalists, is Peggy Noonan still writing her “Cocktails with Peggy” column for the WSJ?

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BigPapa  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:32:09pm

re: #105 Skip Intro

Jack knows the traffic will really pick near the midterms as the Russians flood his site with propaganda.

Simple Question: does Jack make more $ off Russian botplay or no?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:32:13pm

re: #106 EPR-radar

I understand US conservatives perfectly well. They are stupid and evil. This is proven because they have taken over the Republican party and turned it stupid and evil.

When wasn’t the GOP like that? Not in my lifetime.

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Skip Intro  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:33:44pm

re: #109 BigPapa

If he didn’t he’d put a stop to it.

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Sea Mexican!  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:34:38pm

re: #101 Decatur Deb

Roll Tide.

Didn’t catch the reference… now I do. :)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:34:50pm

re: #110 Anymouse 🌹

When wasn’t the GOP like that? Not in my lifetime.

Well, Conservatives did their damnedest to erase all the goodwill Ike built up and they succeeded.

Back in Ike’s time half of the GOP were “liberal Republicans”. Goldwater’s goons started purging them out and the last liberal Republican standing , Robert Stafford was gone in 2006.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:36:14pm

Twitter has lost billions of dollars as they help destroy civilization.

When Twitter went public back in 2013, it was an unprofitable company. More than two years later, that hasn’t changed. In fact, the company revealed in its annual 10-K filed Feb. 29 that it has lost more than $2 billion in total since launching a decade ago.

Twitter Has Lost a Staggering Amount of Money

Their stock has has a wild ride, but is going up this year.

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EPR-radar  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:36:43pm

re: #110 Anymouse 🌹

When wasn’t the GOP like that? Not in my lifetime.

In the 1960s, the GOP wasn’t the total shit show it is today, as seen in the votes on the civli rights acts of that era.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:36:52pm

re: #113 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well, Conservatives did their damnedest to erase all the goodwill Ike built up and they succeeded.

Back in Ike’s time half of the GOP were “liberal Republicans”. Goldwater’s goons started purging them out and the last liberal Republican standing , Robert Stafford was gone in 2006.

That avatar of mine? Thanks, Nixon.

That guy who Eisenhower picked as his VP. Nixon would not have been President if it wasn’t for Ike.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:37:29pm

re: #112 Sea Mexican!

Didn’t catch the reference… now I do. :)

Explains why it took an hour to get our Baja Alabama power back up this afternoon. But still…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:37:34pm

re: #106 EPR-radar

I understand US conservatives perfectly well. They are stupid and evil. This is proven because they have taken over the Republican party and turned it stupid and evil.

A lot of them are so stupid that they think they’re fighting against evil, and there’s a whole industry to keep them believing that.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:39:25pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

But I thought waterboarding wasn’t torture?!

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:39:40pm
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BigPapa  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:39:55pm

I don’t think Twitter is making money off Russians. Maybe they’re still trying to make money and monetize tweets or advertising… so any tweet is a good tweet at this point.

Or Jack is a wingnut or Russian plant.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:40:56pm

Is this the new Trump White House Theme Song?

Michael Jackson - Beat It (Official Video)

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Sea Mexican!  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:40:57pm

re: #117 Decatur Deb

Explains why it took an hour to get our Baja Alabama power back up this afternoon. But still…

「(⌒_⌒;)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:41:13pm

re: #105 Skip Intro

Jack knows the traffic will really pick near the midterms as the Russians flood his site with propaganda.

True, but that may not translate to income. Jack runs a service that should shut down for the good of humanity, but has lost billions of dollars with the promise of future profit.

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:42:45pm
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De Kolta Chair  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:43:15pm

Peter Kuper

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:44:17pm

I wonder if anyone is polling about the military parade.

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EPR-radar  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:44:32pm

Here’s part of a famous letter by Eisenhower:

Now it is true that I believe this country is following a dangerous trend when it permits too great a degree of centralization of governmental functions. I oppose this-in some instances the fight is a rather desperate one. But to attain any success it is quite clear that the Federal government cannot avoid or escape responsibilities which the mass of the people firmly believe should be undertaken by it. The political processes of our country are such that if a rule of reason is not applied in this effort, we will lose everything-even to a possible and drastic change in the Constitution. This is what I mean by my constant insistence upon “moderation” in government. Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.

Ike was wrong. That negligible fraction of stupid zealots has grown enough to take over the Republican party.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:44:40pm
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nines09  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:47:14pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

The next guy will be one who only hits his wife with an open hand. Or above the hairline. Or on the stomach or back. Hidden.

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EPR-radar  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:48:38pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

At this point I’m more surprised by conservative politicians that don’t have sex/violence scandals than those that do.

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meteor  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:49:15pm
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De Kolta Chair  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:49:38pm

A couple of days old, but it never really gets old does it?

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:53:39pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:56:08pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:57:11pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

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Based upon reports so far, what Kelly is “shocked” by is that the ex-wives were keeping receipts.

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:58:27pm
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JordanRules  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:58:50pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:58:52pm

Here’s the whole eight hours

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 7, 2018 • 6:58:54pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:00:09pm

re: #140 De Kolta Chair

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But, you know, “Both Sides.”

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:00:18pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:00:44pm
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De Kolta Chair  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:02:59pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

But, you know, “Both Sides.”

Proof!

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:03:54pm

You know, given all the revelations in recent months about Republicans being caught as either adulterers, sexual predators, or domestic abusers, the idea that Al Franken had to “take one for the team” just to help the DNC in November becomes ever more repugnant.

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austin_blue  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:05:18pm

re: #9 lawhawk

Porter had a security clearance despite the restraining order out against him and any investigation that would have revealed significant issues.

He was kept around anyways.

Kushner still has clearance despite lying on multiple SF-86s.

Nothing about Trumpworld is legit - and they are undermining US national security daily with these nonstop violations and ignoring policy and practice.

And all that’s before we start talking about Trump policy choices, especially related to anything with Russia in it.

Porter didn’t get a FULL TS clearance (Top Secret-No Forn/EWO) because of the hits discovered in his check.

Kelly. Knew This.

No doubt he knew this. Had to.

But he defended him today. This is worse than troubling.

To put him into a position where he reviewed documents before they went to the President is unbelievable. Who cleared the documents that prevented anything above TS from slipping into his hands? Why put another layer of Security after him to review documents going the Drumpf that he couldn’t review? Did that layer even exist?

Enquiring minds, &c.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:07:46pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:09:34pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:10:52pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:11:02pm

Glad I got Sling so I can now watch MSNBC again. Lawrence is firing both barrels over and over at Porter! He’s also ripping into Whorrin’ Orrin!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:13:53pm

Hugh Hancock, a VR developer, and the founder of machinima.com, died suddenly of a heart attack yesterday. He was in his early 40s.

reddit.com

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:15:10pm

re: #147 Charles Johnson

Diane Arbus, eat your heart out!

That photo is the Trump admin in a nutshell.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:15:49pm

re: #145 Targetpractice

You know, given all the revelations in recent months about Republicans being caught as either adulterers, sexual predators, or domestic abusers, the idea that Al Franken had to “take one for the team” just to help the DNC in November becomes ever more repugnant.

I’d rather the Democrats take the high road on this issue. Moreover, it was Al Franken’s decision to leave. The attacks on Kirsten Gillibrand “kneecapping” Franken seem to ignore all the other elected Democratic officials who also called for accounting on this issue. I wonder why that might be?

Politics (even local politics) is not a nice game. Franken did not drag out a spectacle like the continuing Dumpster fire from Trump and a whole lot of other Republican politicians.

And nothing prevents Al Franken from running again, though that might not be wise (I am not a political consultant).

Considering how many R seats are being flipped to D seats in special elections all around the nation (and not the reverse of that), I think Franken did the right thing here (and I was originally in the “let this play out” camp).

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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:16:01pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:16:06pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:16:54pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

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The Dishonor Roll.

What’s funny is to remember that without one of those in the photo (Mooch), two others might still have jobs (Gorka & Omarosa). The dipshit in shades ran Rinsed out of the WH, expecting to get his job via Klingon Promotion, then almost immediately got shit-canned by Kelly.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:18:22pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson

That reminds me (again), where’s Rand Paul been during Jeff Sessions’ flashback of Dragnet ‘68, the classic Blue Boy episode, the one where the stoner paints half his face blue and buries his head in the earth, retro-Ed Meese recreational drug crackdown?

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austin_blue  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:19:05pm

re: #149 teleskiguy

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Charlie? You okay, my friend?

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teleskiguy  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:21:55pm

re: #158 austin_blue

Charlie? You okay, my friend?

I’m fine. I read that poem in the book called “Requiem” in this book I bought today called “Who Killed Hunter S. Thompson?” I thought it was beautiful, so I shared.

Thank you for caring, my friend!

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:22:21pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson

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The answer is simple: “Enforcement” gives him an excuse to build his damned wall and go after brown people. If he actually treats the epidemic, his buddies on Wall St. will scream because it’ll cut into pharmaceutical profits.

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:23:36pm

re: #160 Targetpractice

The answer is simple: “Enforcement” gives him an excuse to build his damned wall and go after brown people. If he actually treats the epidemic, his buddies on Wall St. will scream because it’ll cut into pharmaceutical profits.

Treatment might help millions. Incarceration helps private prison owners.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:27:05pm

re: #161 Belafon

Treatment might help millions. Incarceration helps private prison owners.

If we didn’t live in a deeply corrupt country, private prisons wouldn’t exist.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:29:39pm
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De Kolta Chair  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:30:24pm

re: #70 teleskiguy

So, I bought this at the bookstore today. A lot to unpack, that’s for sure.

Let us know what you think of the book, teleskiguy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:32:01pm

Fux Noise is getting more and more unhinged

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:33:51pm

Ellis Rosen

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:35:22pm

re: #165 The Vicious Babushka

Fux Noise is getting more and more unhinged

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:38:02pm

Speaking of Trump’s preferred method of “enforcement”:

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:39:09pm

re: #167 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

#FatNixon. I can die happy now.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:40:18pm

re: #169 De Kolta Chair

#FatNixon. I can die happy now.

Bill Maher kicked that off last week.

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plansbandc  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:40:55pm

Enjoyed most of the day away from paying attention to Trumpland atrocities. But honestly, I’m pretty sure I’ve developed an ulcer. My stomach hurts all the time and hurts worse when I eat or drink anything.

Yesterday’s military parade news blew it up big. Guess I need to take a longer break.

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garzooma  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:41:15pm

re: #165 The Vicious Babushka

Fux Noise is getting more and more unhinged

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“[Christopher Steele] broke @FBI cardinal rules,…

So? Christopher Steele doesn’t work for the FBI.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:43:45pm

re: #165 The Vicious Babushka

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:44:11pm

re: #171 plansbandc

Enjoyed most of the day away from paying attention to Trumpland atrocities. But honestly, I’m pretty sure I’ve developed an ulcer. My stomach hurts all the time and hurts worse when I eat or drink anything.

Yesterday’s military parade news blew it up big. Guess I need to take a longer break.

Ulcers are caused by bacteria, and easily cured these days. One of the people who discovered that had to fight against the established “wisdom” that they were stress-induced, and gave himself an ulcer with the bacteria to prove it.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:45:08pm

Steele is a private citizen who worked for a private company to investigate claims about a private citizen by going through public channels. There is no evidence whatsoever that anything he shared with the FBI was a national secret or of a classified nature, and now accusing him of having violated the rules is in total contradiction with the idea that his entire “dossier” was a bunch of fabrications.

But you know, aside from all that, Fox is still talking out its ass.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:45:14pm

And another mainstream RepubliKKKlan makes an asshole of themselves…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:45:46pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:46:58pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:47:55pm

Really, what the GOP are hacked over is that Steele’s reputation for honesty and integrity is standing in the way of calling him a smut peddler who produced a “dossier” full of lies. The only way they see to attacking his character is to accuse him of having committed a crime, and their reasoning behind that is thinner than a human hair.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:49:33pm

They were never a good news source, but I hadn’t seen that MAGA interpretation before.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:49:57pm

re: #173 Joe Bacon 🌹

They already have, their propaganda parallels each others every day now.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:49:59pm

re: #179 Targetpractice

Really, what the GOP are hacked over is that Steele’s reputation for honesty and integrity is standing in the way of calling him a smut peddler who produced a “dossier” full of lies. The only way they see to attacking his character is to accuse him of having committed a crime, and their reasoning behind that is thinner than a human hair.

Thinner than Trump’s hair.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:57:10pm

Self-deleted, because who wants to read that stupid shit?

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retired cynic  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:58:19pm

re: #171 plansbandc

Enjoyed most of the day away from paying attention to Trumpland atrocities. But honestly, I’m pretty sure I’ve developed an ulcer. My stomach hurts all the time and hurts worse when I eat or drink anything.

Yesterday’s military parade news blew it up big. Guess I need to take a longer break.

See doctor. You may need antibiotics, or some further testing.

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2018 • 7:59:58pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:01:34pm

We’ve assumed that the Big Lie machine is attacking the FBI because Mueller is closing in on Trump. What if the investigation is spreading out as well as closing in though?
There is plenty of evidence that Russian influence actually started at lower levels and is pervasive throughout conservative America. Remember the California secession guy absconding to Russia, or the proven Russian involvement in the Texas secession nuttery?
How far does it go?
With what he has learned about Russian influence financing in particular, Mueller may have the goods on hundreds of tools, with thousands (yes, thousands) in danger of being named as un-indicted co-conspirators.

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:02:07pm

re: #185 jaunte

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Wasn’t it around the same time frame that the GOP sudden grew very interested in attacking the FBI’s credibility?

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teleskiguy  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:03:52pm

re: #186 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The process Mueller and his team of expert lawyers has to be meticulous as all hell. Dotting all the ‘t’s’ and crossing all the ‘i’s’ is taking a long time, because of what you outline in re: Russian influence on American business and politics.

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:05:15pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

Dec. 2017:

A small but vocal group of conservative lawmakers, much of the conservative media and, at times, the president himself have launched a series of attacks to paint not only Mr. Mueller but institutions once considered sacrosanct to Republicans like the F.B.I. and Justice Department as dangerously biased against Mr. Trump. One of them, Representative Francis Rooney of Florida, called on Tuesday for top F.B.I. and Justice Department officials to be “purged.”

nytimes.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:06:00pm
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retired cynic  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:07:28pm

re: #190 Anymouse 🌹

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WHOA!

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petesh  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:07:28pm

re: #190 Anymouse 🌹

THAT needs lots of publicity.

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:08:00pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:09:03pm

re: #192 petesh

THAT needs lots of publicity.

I’m not on Twitter, so I can’t retweet it to veterans or the GoldStarFamilies hashtag.

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Skip Intro  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:09:12pm

re: #191 retired cynic

Look at the date. It happened 8 months ago. See any media coverage of it?

Of course you didn’t.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:09:57pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:10:17pm

re: #195 Skip Intro

Look at the date. It happened 8 months ago. See any media coverage of it?

Of course you didn’t.

Tweet it at Rachel Maddow’s account?

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retired cynic  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:10:54pm

re: #195 Skip Intro

Look at the date. It happened 8 months ago. See any media coverage of it?

Of course you didn’t.

8 months? It was probably posted here, and I was probably livid then. And the fire hose of outrage goes on, and drowns us all!

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Skip Intro  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:11:08pm

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t tweet either.

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:11:51pm

re: #194 Anymouse 🌹

I retweeted to both hashtags.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:12:43pm

re: #190 Anymouse 🌹

I’ve called that mental and moral pipsqueak every name in the book on Twitter, sometimes when space permits backed with evidence, and he refuses to ban me. Anyone who’s blocked by the Great Imbecile should consider themself a Great American Hero. I look forward to being banned.

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freetoken  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:13:31pm

re: #186 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

There’s a lot of ideological brotherhood between Russian Orthodox nationalists and America’s religious right.

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teleskiguy  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:13:41pm
204
freetoken  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:15:18pm

re: #203 teleskiguy

I wish my Mac played Twitter videos, but they stopped working a couple of months ago.

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retired cynic  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:17:02pm

re: #204 freetoken

I wish my Mac played Twitter videos, but they stopped working a couple of months ago.

Mine plays them. ?

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:17:45pm
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MsJ  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:17:56pm

re: #190 Anymouse 🌹

That’s appalling.

I’m not sure how it’s possible but I hate that motherfucker more every day.

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:18:10pm

I still remember the absolute freakout among wingnuts when “sources” told the press that Hillary’s maid had been tasked with printing out her emails. She didn’t have clearance to read what could be highly classified national secrets, we didn’t know if she was really a Russian spy, she could be giving our nation’s secrets to anybody!!

Now we find out that the White House knew for months that Porter could not obtain a security clearance because he was considered at risk for blackmail, and yet they not only kept him on, but allowed him to have continued access to documents containing our nation’s secrets. And would have kept him on if not for a single photo being published by the Daily Mail.

209
Charles Johnson  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:19:01pm

re: #204 freetoken

I wish my Mac played Twitter videos, but they stopped working a couple of months ago.

Did you try clicking the film icon in the blue bar?

210
teleskiguy  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:20:41pm

re: #204 freetoken

Here’s the YouTube.

Curiosity at Martian Scenic Overlook

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:21:36pm

Disgusting.

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Skip Intro  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:21:53pm

re: #198 retired cynic

Since there is nothing Trump does that doesn’t generate outrage in sane people, we’d all have stroked out by now if we held on to even 1% of it.

Some day, not in this country, scholars are going to produce analyses of this regime that will ultimately approach the volume of information that has been published about Nazi Germany.

For those of us living through it now we’re like a group of blind people trying to describe a strange artifact by touch. We have no idea about what it is or what’s really going on.

213
teleskiguy  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:22:23pm

re: #211 jaunte

Fuck. All.

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:22:54pm

Senator Linda Lopez:

Commentary: I am astounded that the Albuquerque Journal would publish such an outrageous editorial cartoon on the Page A14 Opinion section on Wednesday, February 7, 2018, that equates Dreamers with criminal MS13 gang members. It is yet another glaring example of the ignorance, racism and hatred openly permeating throughout our country since the election of Donald Trump, only this time it is strangely happening in New Mexico.
………..
For the Albuquerque Journal to run such an insensitive portrayal of Dreamers by unfairly comparing them with one of society’s most violent and unsavory criminal elements exhibits yet another example of institutionalized racism. In addition, equating the MS13 thugs in the cartoon with future Democrats leaves us with an obvious insight of the newspaper’s institutionalized partisanship.
krwg.org

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:25:23pm

“…Thompson H. Lang, president of the Journal Publishing Co., was born and raised in Albuquerque and publishes the Albuquerque Journal as an independent, hometown newspaper with a global white supremacist view.”
abqjournal.com

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:26:51pm

Oh, wrong asshole brother.

“His brother, William P. “Bill” Lang, succeeded Tom as publisher in 2012.”
abqjournal.com

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:27:14pm

re: #202 freetoken

There’s a lot of ideological brotherhood between Russian Orthodox nationalists and America’s religious right.

That’s one reason I think Pence is dirtier than Trump and will not be the successor. The Russians started working the religious right early on. As a prominent RR officeholder, Pence would not have escaped their favorable attention.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:31:20pm

Jack Posobiec being an idiot, and being responded to by a bigger idiot.

I fit a couple of those categories. I am absolutely uninterested in marching in a parade to stroke Cheetolini’s ego.

219
Interesting Times  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:32:09pm

Hmmm…interesting theory here:

220
jaunte  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:33:40pm

Kelly is just as bad as his job as Trump.

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Interesting Times  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:34:24pm

Ha:

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:34:27pm

“If anyone other than Trump…” is the horseshit excuse that wingnuts have been left with, that any brainfart he has would be readily embraced by all if it came from another source. But we know that’s not true, because if Obama had told (not asked) the DoD to put together a military parade down Penn Ave and spun it as “honoring” the troops…Jack and other wingnut would be portraying it exactly as Democrats are portraying it: A egotistical jackass with delusions of being a dictator wanting the military to march in honor of him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:34:43pm

re: #218 Anymouse 🌹

I hope they include Veterans from past Battles, #GoldStarFamilies & Support Groups such as @the_USO etc.

Don’t we call that ‘Memorial Day’?

224
ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:39:11pm

re: #152 De Kolta Chair

Diane Arbus, eat your heart out!

That photo is the Trump admin in a nutshell.

As soon as I saw your comment I had to see what I could do. I studied Arbus a lot at art college where I helped run the student darkrooms and had three years of photography.

So here is the Trump gang in Diane Arbus mode.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:41:18pm

re: #223 Blind Frog Belly White

Don’t we call that ‘Memorial Day’?

Actually, Veterans Day. Memorial Day is to honour the dead. Veterans Day is to honour the living. Armed Forces Day is to honour Active Duty and Reserve personnel.

226
Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:42:33pm

The thing about it is I can see Donny getting even more angry and paranoid after today. After all, this is yet another of “his guys” who was taken down by the press, that there has to be somebody in his inner circle who is leaking this stuff to them. And I wouldn’t be surprised if he throws all the blame on Kelly, even though he was one of Porter’s biggest supporters, accusing him of failing to put an end to the leaks.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:45:00pm

re: #226 Targetpractice

The thing about it is I can see Donny getting even more angry and paranoid after today. After all, this is yet another of “his guys” who was taken down by the press, that there has to be somebody in his inner circle who is leaking this stuff to them. And I wouldn’t be surprised if he throws all the blame on Kelly, even though he was one of Porter’s biggest supporters, accusing him of failing to put an end to the leaks.

There was rumour control floating around some time ago suggesting Trump was looking for a reason to fire John Kelly. If that was true, he might take this as the excuse to do it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:46:20pm

re: #217 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

That’s one reason I think Pence is dirtier than Trump and will not be the successor. The Russians started working the religious right early on. As a prominent RR officeholder, Pence would not have escaped their favorable attention.

And it sure is amazing how Fucked Up Franky Graham Cracker is now the leading Pulpit Pimp kissing Putin’s ass!

thinkprogress.org

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:46:26pm

re: #223 Blind Frog Belly White

Don’t we call that ‘Memorial Day’?

We have three holidays for vets and I can’t go to a sporting event without them being honored nor can I apply for a job knowing a veteran is likely preferred. I’m not bothered by it but more this suggestion that this is to honor the troops and to call it what it is somehow disrespectful to them. The way Trump talks is far more disrespectful.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:48:27pm

‘Night all

Drew Sheneman

Bonus Jack “King” Kirby panel:

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petesh  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:49:12pm

re: #227 Anymouse 🌹

There was rumour control floating around some time ago suggesting Trump was looking for a reason to fire John Kelly. If that was true, he might take this as the excuse to do it.

I know it was his catchphrase on TV but I seriously doubt Trump has the balls to fire anyone face to face.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2018 • 8:50:53pm

re: #231 petesh

I know it was his catchphrase on TV but I seriously doubt Trump has the balls to fire anyone face to face.

We saw how the coward handled Comey.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 7, 2018 • 9:04:13pm

re: #224 ObserverArt

That’s great, ObserverArt. We had some friends over for drinks tonight, all with publishing and printing backgrounds, and we were remembering and lamenting the mystery and majesty of the pre-digital world of darkrooms.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 7, 2018 • 9:05:44pm

re: #87 BeachDem

Ah, but palace intrigue expert Maggie says it’s been “in the ether” for mere weeks.

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Based on what I read in Fire and Fury about the neverending war between factions in the WH for control of Trump, I’m guessing Porter was an ally of Kelly’s in his fight to limit Jarvanka’s access to Trump. And of course, spousal abuse just isn’t that big a deal to a he-man like Kelly. What real man doesn’t have to smack his wife around a time or two?//

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 8, 2018 • 1:59:46am

re: #208 Targetpractice

I still remember the absolute freakout among wingnuts when “sources” told the press that Hillary’s maid had been tasked with printing out her emails. She didn’t have clearance to read what could be highly classified national secrets, we didn’t know if she was really a Russian spy, she could be giving our nation’s secrets to anybody!!

Now we find out that the White House knew for months that Porter could not obtain a security clearance because he was considered at risk for blackmail, and yet they not only kept him on, but allowed him to have continued access to documents containing our nation’s secrets. And would have kept him on if not for a single photo being published by the Daily Mail.

Not to mention Kushner and Ivanka.

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sagehen  Feb 8, 2018 • 3:52:39am

re: #212 Skip Intro

Since there is nothing Trump does that doesn’t generate outrage in sane people, we’d all have stroked out by now if we held on to even 1% of it.

Some day, not in this country, scholars are going to produce analyses of this regime that will ultimately approach the volume of information that has been published about Nazi Germany.

For those of us living through it now we’re like a group of blind people trying to describe a strange artifact by touch. We have no idea about what it is or what’s really going on.

Six blind men trying to describe an elephant, is the metaphor you’re looking for.


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