White Supremacist GOP Candidate Paul Nehlen Suspended From Twitter; His Fans Spew Racist and Antisemitic Comments in Response

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Republican Paul Nehlen (a big Donald Trump supporter, of course) has become quite infamous lately for his antisemitic and racist comments on Twitter. He’s gone so deep into this hateful rhetoric that even the far right propagandists at Breitbart “News” recently tried to distance themselves from him, after months of openly supporting him.

Nehlen is still supported by most of the right wing blogs, though, and by people like Holocaust denier Chuck C. Johnson and the Stupidest Man on the Internet, Jim Hoft.

But Nehlen finally went too far for Twitter — no small feat! — and yesterday his account was permanently suspended after he posted the following blatantly racist tweet with an image of “Cheddar Man” superimposed on British Prince Harry’s fiancee’s face.

Twitter doesn’t reveal why a person is permanently suspended, but most people think this was the reason because the outcry after this tweet was enormous, and many people reported it. Nehlen’s account had previously been verified by Twitter, so this was not a small step.

Nehlen is screaming bloody murder, of course, alleging that Twitter is “censoring” him and engaging in “election interference,” even though they have an absolute right to suspend hateful individuals like him when they violate the Terms of Service.

Meanwhile, Nehlen’s knuckle-dragging fan base is showing the world how unjust it was to suspend him, by changing their Twitter avatars to pictures of Nehlen (a sample of which is seen above) and tweeting reams of vile racist and antisemitic garbage.

Jared Holt at Right Wing Watch has a good rundown of the reaction in the white supremacist areas of the Internet: The Far-Right Internet Mourns Paul Nehlen’s Permanent Twitter Suspension.

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Kragar  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:27:53am
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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:29:17am

On a good note, there’s a Democratic candidate running against Sean Duffy in Wisconsin: Margaret Engebretson (an announcement at Daily Kos).

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sagehen  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:32:59am

Did “multiple complaints” cause Twitter to act, or was it Kensington Palace whose complaint made the difference?

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:36:51am

re: #3 sagehen

Did “multiple complaints” cause Twitter to act, or was it Kensington Palace whose complaint made the difference?

I would hope a flood of complaints came in after that awful tweet shown above.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:37:00am

I knew Paul Nehlen was a racist when he called for deporting all Muslims during his 2016 race.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:37:01am
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jaunte  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:37:13am
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jaunte  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:37:35am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:38:01am
His Fans Spew Racist and Antisemitic Comments in Response

His fans, or his bot army plus a handful of fans?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:38:11am

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jaunte  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:39:59am
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Charles Johnson  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:42:00am

re: #10 GlutenFreeJesus

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:42:41am

re: #7 jaunte

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National Wildlife Refuge Fund….

Undermining the protection of wildlife habitats, undermining the national park system, and ignoring the rule of law on the Antiquities Act.

Why? Because corporations have profits to be had by taking taxpayer resources and converting it to their personal profit while denying others access to these lands.

This is Trumpworld.

It’s also another boost to the sovereign citizens movement and the Bundy nuts who trespassed on a national wildlife refuge and did significant damage.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:43:38am

re: #8 jaunte

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Sigh.

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jaunte  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:43:40am

re: #13 lawhawk

Who needs a Chemical Safety Board? Industry will tell us when we’ve ingested enough benzene.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:44:56am

re: #9 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

His fans, or his bot army plus a handful of fans?

I’m seeing a lot of “I’m Paul Nehlen” memes shared by my conservative friends and family on Facebook. That’s how normalised this Alt-Right crap has become. And those who opposed this toxic racism are somehow “anti-free speech thugs.”

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:44:58am

re: #15 jaunte

West Texas Fire Department can’t be reached for comment.

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Kragar  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:46:09am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:46:48am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:48:17am

re: #16 DodgerFan1988

You’re friends and family may not be Conservatives anymore. We have a Nazi problem.

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jaunte  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:51:25am

re: #16 DodgerFan1988

I’m seeing a lot of “I’m Paul Nehlen” memes shared by my conservative friends and family on Facebook. That’s how normalised this Alt-Right crap has become. And those who opposed this toxic racism are somehow “anti-free speech thugs.”

I occasionally go and watch the #MAGA hashtag. It’s Bizzarro World come to life.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:53:43am

re: #20 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You’re friends and family may not be Conservatives anymore. We have a Nazi problem.

We do. Thankfully I haven’t seen any yet but I won’t be surprised if I do.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:54:38am

re: #18 Kragar

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Assange must be wearing his Freudian slip.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:57:36am
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 12, 2018 • 11:58:12am

re: #21 jaunte

I occasionally go and watch the #MAGA hashtag. It’s Bizzarro World come to life.

Yeah I clicked on a few of the racist tweets in the Obama portrait hashtag and it’s all the same Benghazi/Muslim/the economy didn’t start growing until 2017 bullshit.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:01:27pm

re: #11 jaunte

But who needs that, right, Red States?

This budget won’t even make a fucking dent in his supporters, even though it reveals he could give two shits about them…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:03:01pm

re: #25 Barefoot Grin

Yeah I clicked on a few of the racist tweets in the Obama portrait hashtag and it’s all the same Benghazi/Muslim/the economy didn’t start growing until 2017 bullshit.

All you gotta do is start your graphs on January 2017, and it looks really great for Trump.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:07:55pm

re: #20 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You’re friends and family may not be Conservatives anymore. We have a Nazi problem.

Many of them never heard of Nehlen before but then they saw the clickbait “Conservative censored on Twitter” on one of the many Right Wing Facebook pages they “liked,” and fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:08:46pm

re: #27 Blind Frog Belly White

All you gotta do is start your graphs on January 2017, and it looks really great for Trump.

Which, if I recall, they also did to hammer Obama in the early, most frightening days of the recession. As if the roots of it walked in with him and did not go back. Whatever bullshit satisfies the myths the base have been trained in.

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JordanRules  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:09:04pm
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makeitstop  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:09:34pm

I guess if someone in Russia doesn’t give us a heads up about communication with the White House, we just won’t find out.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:11:22pm

re: #29 Unshaken Defiance

Which, if I recall, they also did to hammer Obama in the early, most frightening days of the recession. As if the roots of it walked in with him and did not go back. Whatever bullshit satisfies the myths the base have been trained in.

I have seen memes comparing the economy 1 year into Obama’s term with today, one year into Trump’s, as if either one were responsible for it. It was an astonishingly brazen bit of propaganda.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:13:36pm

These assholes just live and die by their Twitter accounts, don’t they?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:15:56pm

re: #33 Eclectic Cyborg

These assholes just live and die by their Twitter accounts, don’t they?

That we’re aware of. Who knows what’s festering on Gab that could spew from the sewer at some point?

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JordanRules  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:18:18pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:19:19pm

re: #34 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That we’re aware of. Who knows what’s festering on Gab that could spew from the sewer at some point?

The thing about gab is that it’s just them. They thrive on the fight, attacking people on Twitter, swarming, etc. Without that interaction, who are they? They can’t puff themselves up with how tough they were on that SJW, if they’re blocked from actually trolling SJWs.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:20:47pm

re: #36 Blind Frog Belly White

The thing about gab is that it’s just them. They thrive on the fight, attacking people on Twitter, swarming, etc. Without that interaction, who are they? They can’t puff themselves up with how tough they were on that SJW, if they’re blocked from actually trolling SJWs.

They can continue to get worse and worse in an echo chamber where no one tells them they’ve gone off the rails. Echo-chambers are how we got wingnuts.

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Kragar  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:21:28pm
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Amory Blaine  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:25:59pm

re: #38 Kragar

I only grab them there. Tell me more!!
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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:26:56pm

The only thing I worry about is the lion getting food poisoning:

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Teukka  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:27:32pm

re: #40 Belafon

The only thing I worry about is the lion getting food poisoning:

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Karma is a female dog, ain’t it?

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:27:57pm

re: #36 Blind Frog Belly White

The thing about gab is that it’s just them. They thrive on the fight, attacking people on Twitter, swarming, etc. Without that interaction, who are they? They can’t puff themselves up with how tough they were on that SJW, if they’re blocked from actually trolling SJWs.

I know a lot of Gamergate/Men’s Rights Movement people since they were young. They fit the stereotyped rejects in high school/college, made fun of by the popular students and ignored by the pretty girls, and now they’re having their revenge on social media. It’s sad.

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dangerman  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:28:00pm

proof that the bacon sage bread pudding is real (well half anyway)
im not much of a photog

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Amory Blaine  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:28:24pm

re: #37 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

This won’t be good for his election campaign, although I believe half of Waukesha county is on .gab.

//(only half)

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dangerman  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:29:28pm

re: #40 Belafon

The only thing I worry about is the lion getting food poisoning:

A suspected poacher has been eaten by a lion, leaving only his head behind.

asymmetrical warfare

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:32:26pm

re: #42 DodgerFan1988

I know a lot of Gamergate/Men’s Rights Movement people since they were young. They fit the stereotyped rejects in high school/college, made fun of by the popular students and ignored by the pretty girls, and now they’re having their revenge on social media. It’s sad.

I’m one of those people, but in my generation we were eventually rewarded with high-paying IT jobs, so we didn’t turn into monsters.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:32:55pm

re: #43 dangerman

proof that the bacon sage bread pudding is real (well half anyway)
im not much of a photog

First seen I thought it was leftover lasagna

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:33:05pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:33:40pm
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jaunte  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:33:41pm

“…Even with Brunell’s withdrawal, the Census Bureau is facing a slew of other problems as it prepares for the 2020 census. It has no permanent director, its funding has been cut, field tests have been canceled, and it is unveiling a controversial new IT system for 2020. The Government Accountability Office now calls it a “high risk” program. Moreover, the Justice Department has asked the bureau to add a question to the census form about whether people are US citizens, a move civil rights groups fear will drastically reduce response rates among immigrant communities and cause areas with large immigrant populations to receive less funding and representation.”

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Dave In Austin  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:35:54pm

re: #47 FormerDirtDart

First seem I thought it was leftover lasagna

Leftover pizza, a good one.

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jaunte  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:36:02pm

Maybe the 2020 census will discover a large unsuspected population of Russians living in the U.S. who Putin then would be bound to “protect.”

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:38:01pm

re: #49 FormerDirtDart

I’ve felt the pain of Snowden’s actions, but, Jane’s missing the point. I snorted at Snowden’s statement, because the admin should be getting them much faster.

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Kragar  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:45:49pm
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makeitstop  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:47:01pm

These guys are running out of fake scandals. It’s to the point where they’re suspicious of Obama saying he wants to do things by the book. Pathetic.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:50:13pm

Posted first tweet downstairs earlier today. Orange Dotard has since blocked her.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:50:39pm

The stock market has had a remarkably strong day today, good for my retirement account balance, which I am drawing on right now as I work on establishing my law practice.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:55:04pm

re: #57 Big Beautiful Door

The stock market has had a remarkably strong day today, good for my retirement account balance, which I am drawing on right now as I work on establishing my law practice.

Has Dotard taken credit for it yet?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:57:09pm
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Sir John Barron  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:57:16pm

re: #56 FormerDirtDart

Posted first tweet downstairs earlier today. Orange Dotard has since blocked her.

I imagine Ms. Willoughby’s mentions are filled with understanding fans of the orange dotard.

///

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 12, 2018 • 12:58:42pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:02:38pm

re: #58 Dr. Matt

Has Dotard taken credit for it yet?

I imagine that will come during his first dump tomorrow morning.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:02:56pm

I didn’t quite have that view this morning, but I saw the forward edge & charcoal ceiling just across the river this morning. It sent me back to bed, telling the beasts we were gonna wait this one out.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:03:41pm

But Democrats are the ones who use Identity Politics as a weapon.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:05:56pm

re: #64 DodgerFan1988

But Democrats are the ones who use Identity Politics as a weapon.

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Like the Sheriff of Nottingham….

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:06:04pm

re: #64 DodgerFan1988

But Democrats are the ones who use Identity Politics as a weapon.

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After acknowledging slavery was the cause of the Civil War, he had to say something racist to balance it out.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:08:19pm

Reading Tom Nichol’s twitter feed, and his recent piece on ‘Why I’m Still A Republican’ is a good reminder that The Enemy Of My Enemy Is Really Just My Enemy’s Enemy.

He still thinks his party was hijacked by Trump, and won’t see the long and deep history of racist appeals in the GOP.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:10:20pm

re: #64 DodgerFan1988

But Democrats are the ones who use Identity Politics as a weapon.

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Honestly, I don’t think it was racism, or identity politics. I think it was a really, really stupid way to refer to traditions we got by having started out as a British colony. He just found the absolute worst way to say that.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:10:46pm

Fuck, you could probably knock a hole in one with a sledgehammer.

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ObserverArt  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:10:51pm

I just turned on MSNBC. It appears Sarah Huckabee Sanders is getting hammered by the press over the domestic abuse issue. I haven’t seen one in a while, it appears the press isn’t taking much of the Trump dodging on issues anymore.

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makeitstop  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:12:48pm

re: #69 Ace-o-aces

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Fuck, you could probably knock a hole in one with a sledgehammer.

I remember a few years back, one of those panels fell over on to the PA Turnpike and killed somebody.

If you got enough backs into it, you could just push them over.

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wrenchwench  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:13:45pm

re: #69 Ace-o-aces

[southern border ]

Fuck, you could probably knock a hole in one with a sledgehammer.

They coulda spent a few bucks for a guardrail on that part of I-10 where the two border patrol agents went down into the gully. Only one came out alive.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:15:01pm

re: #70 ObserverArt

I just turned on MSNBC. It appears Sarah Huckabee Sanders is getting hammered by the press over the domestic abuse issue. I haven’t seen one in a while, it appears the press isn’t taking much of the Trump dodging on issues anymore.

Trump: I’m going to fire everyone who’s got a problem with domestic abuse. Who’s criticized me about it?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:15:07pm

re: #69 Ace-o-aces

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Fuck, you could probably knock a hole in one with a sledgehammer.

Mr. Gorbachev, rebuild this wall.

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jaunte  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:18:00pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Is there any historic wall with a successful track record (worked long enough to be paid for) that the wall fans are touting?

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:19:05pm

re: #75 jaunte

Is there any historic wall with a successful track record (worked long enough to be paid for) that the wall fans are touting?

Not that wasn’t manned with machine guns.

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jaunte  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:20:25pm

re: #76 Belafon

Another problem they seem to be ignoring is that Border Patrol has a hard time recruiting employees who want to live near the border.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:22:15pm

re: #75 jaunte

Is there any historic wall with a successful track record (worked long enough to be paid for) that the wall fans are touting?

There was one in 1979.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:23:04pm

re: #75 jaunte

Is there any historic wall with a successful track record (worked long enough to be paid for) that the wall fans are touting?

Hadrian’s?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:23:13pm
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Citizen K  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:23:28pm

re: #68 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s Jeff Sessions. We’re kind of beyond giving him the benefit of the doubt and using incompetence as an explanation rather than malfeasance. It’s too convenient not to be a dog whistle IMO.

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jaunte  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:23:38pm

re: #79 Blind Frog Belly White

The Scots got loose!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:24:38pm

re: #77 jaunte

Another problem they seem to be ignoring is that Border Patrol has a hard time recruiting employees who want to live near the border.

I guess it’s more fun waiting till undocumented folks put down roots and raise families, and become integral and popular members of their communities before arresting and deporting them.

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jaunte  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:24:38pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:24:49pm
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jaunte  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:26:16pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Reminds me of the kitchen scene from Jurassic Park.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:26:41pm

Young adults are having less sex? Why? Do they have something better to do with their time? If they think so, maybe they’re doing it wrong.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:26:58pm

Yeah, I know it’s Haaretz

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:27:02pm

The right wing gravy train just keeps going round and round.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:29:12pm

re: #81 Citizen K

It’s Jeff Sessions. We’re kind of beyond giving him the benefit of the doubt and using incompetence as an explanation rather than malfeasance. It’s too convenient not to be a dog whistle IMO.

Understood. And the thing about a racist like him is that even when making non-racist statements, he’s got a tin ear about race that prevents him hearing how bad that sounds.

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:29:15pm

re: #88 FormerDirtDart

Putin will let Trump know what US foreign policy will be.

Trump has absolutely abdicated US foreign policy to the Russians.

The GOP isn’t even batting an eye. They’re going along with all of this.

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jaunte  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:29:17pm

Here we go again with the spammers.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:30:20pm

re: #84 jaunte

“I know I am but what are you?”

/

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Sir John Barron  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:31:12pm

re: #89 lawhawk

NEW: Glenn Beck’s empire has fallen so low that now it might become Ben Shapiro’s. thedailybeast.com

— Andrew Kirell

Did Glenn Beck get passed by by the Crazy?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:31:25pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:32:14pm

re: #87 Blind Frog Belly White

Young adults are having less sex? Why? Do they have something better to do with their time? If they think so, maybe they’re doing it wrong.

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How are they getting young adults are having less sex out of young adults are having fewer babies?

Where’s my graph on birth control rates in those specific age groups as a function of time?

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makeitstop  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:32:22pm

re: #94 Sir John Barron

Did Glenn Beck get passed by by the Crazy?

Kinda hard to grok that - he was the standard bearer there for a while.

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:33:52pm

re: #97 makeitstop

Kinda hard to grok that - he was the standard bearer there for a while.

Beck: Old and busted
Shapiro: Slightly newer and still busted, but with heavy backing.

Beck’s looking to cash out in a way that the gold scammers never could let him do.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:34:21pm

re: #87 Blind Frog Belly White

Young adults are having less sex? Why? Do they have something better to do with their time? If they think so, maybe they’re doing it wrong.

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Women have raised their standards, and the men left out by this, spew hate on the Internet during the times earlier generations were having sex.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:35:33pm

re: #84 jaunte

Some awesome personal responsibility you got there, Trumpy.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:35:42pm

re: #89 lawhawk

I was just paging that, gmta

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:36:03pm
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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:36:17pm

re: #96 klys (maker of Silmarils)

How are they getting young adults are having less sex out of young adults are having fewer babies?

Where’s my graph on birth control rates in those specific age groups as a function of time?

Read the article. They are first talking about how young adults are having less sex.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:36:27pm

re: #94 Sir John Barron

A more concentrated product entered the market.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:36:35pm

Wired is killing it today with stories about how tech has contributed to the uglification of our culture. Viz:

Predicting what fresh hell these automated systems will stumble upon next is a problem that’s not limited to Alphabet. As ProPublica found, last year, Facebook allowed advertisers to target users who were interested in terms like “jew hater.” Facebook hadn’t created the category intentionally; its automated tools had used information users wrote on their own profiles to create entirely new categories

Autocomplete suggestions are still a problem.
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:36:48pm

re: #98 lawhawk

Beck: Old and busted
Shapiro: Slightly newer and still busted, but with heavy backing.

Beck’s looking to cash out in a way that the gold scammers never could let him do.

At least The Blaze probably won’t join the Trump trainwreck like it would if evil billionaires bought it for a Trumpanzee

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:37:02pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

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Interesting Times  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:39:33pm

re: #102 Ace-o-aces

Best response:

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:39:59pm

re: #103 Belafon

Read the article. They are first talking about how young adults are having less sex.

Just finished the article.

a) That’s a shitty choice of image for the tweet because it communicates a very different message.

b) I really loved the demonization of the MeToo movement in the article, that was an excellent touch.

c) The image they should have used to explain declining sex rates is the one that shows the number of men ages 18-34 still living at home with their parents.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:42:12pm

re: #105 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Wired is killing it today with stories about how tech has contributed to the uglification of our culture. Viz:

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Those autocompletes just happen because a significant portion of Google users are scum. It’s hard to police large numbers of scumbags. Google would have to guess problematic searches in advance to filter them.

If an Internet death-penalty was possible, the mess could be cleaned up by banning scumbags, but it’s not possible.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:43:07pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:43:14pm

Florida Man.

Pastor said teen was ‘possessed by a demon.’ Cops say he was having sex with her.

sanluisobispo.com

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nines09  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:44:12pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

That’s the opening scene from about a million sci-fi horror stories/movies………with more and more coming down the halls….

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:44:29pm

re: #109 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Just finished the article.

a) That’s a shitty choice of image for the tweet because it communicates a very different message.

b) I really loved the demonization of the MeToo movement in the article, that was an excellent touch.

c) The image they should have used to explain declining sex rates is the one that shows the number of men ages 18-34 still living at home with their parents.

My oldest sons, 22 and 17, just aren’t interested. I’m actually kind of baffled at the behavior, considering what I was like as a kid.

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:44:57pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:45:09pm

The Robot Overlords continue to advance

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Skip Intro  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:46:07pm

Kentucky Woman.

I was on my way to get baby Jesus, so God said it was OK to drive fast, she reportedly told cops

Allen told troopers she was en route to pick up baby Jesus and she was Mother Mary, according to police. She also said she had died six years ago and knew police were behind her, but she had authority from God to drive the way she did, the citation says.

So many crazy people now.

sanluisobispo.com

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:47:27pm

re: #112 Skip Intro

Florida Man.

sanluisobispo.com

Doesn’t fit the profile. Florida Man has elements of surprise, spontaneity, and originality. This is another common predatory criminal feeding off the weak in his flock.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:49:17pm
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wrenchwench  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:49:39pm

I just called Shimano to see if they are still honoring the recall of a crank they made in 1995. They are. I have one on a bike that came in for a revival restoration this morning. They send a kit of all the parts needed to be compatible with the new crank, then I send them the old crank, and they’ll send me a check to cover labor.

What I didn’t get into with the very helpful person at Shimano is the fact that last time I was on my way to the post office with one of these recalled cranks, I was hit by a car. Some nice person picked up that box and it finished its trip to Shimano. The check was waiting for me six months later when I reopened the shop.

I’m one of the few bike mechanics who can ID the three models of crank involved in the recall in under a minute.

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nines09  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:49:40pm

re: #117 Skip Intro

Still alive……Hmmmmm….

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:50:32pm

re: #114 Belafon

My oldest sons, 22 and 17, just aren’t interested. I’m actually kind of baffled at the behavior, considering what I was like as a kid.

Anecdotal evidence…it’s not the soy.

(takes bite of mapo tofu)

…unless the tofu causes anomie….

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:50:52pm

re: #110 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Those autocompletes just happen because a significant portion of Google users are scum. It’s hard to police large numbers of scumbags. Google would have to guess problematic searches in advance to filter them.

If an Internet death-penalty was possible, the mess could be cleaned up by banning scumbags, but it’s not possible.

Touring the Google offices, they used to have a real-time display of all the searches being done. Asked if they were being filtered to remove all the pr0n searches, an employee winced and said, “You have no idea. If we put up there all the sick, demented shit that people search for, everyone who came in here would take one look, barf, and need therapy for the rest of their lives.”

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Skip Intro  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:50:53pm

God’s have a big day today.

People close to this ex-pastor keep dying violently. Now he’s on trial - again

CHARLOTTE, North Carolina

People close to Timothy Crumitie kept dying.

The former Cabarrus County minister, a convicted felon, has been physically present or criminally linked to three mysterious shooting deaths over less than a decade - including those of his wife and a former business partner.

Read more here: sanluisobispo.com

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ozharas  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:52:00pm

m.huffingtonpost.com.au

Lissa Lucas, running in November, using her 1.45 mins in the best way possible, dragged away for listing donors to the lawmakers proposing a law that weakens access restrictions for mining companies to private land. The details in the article are staggering.

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ckkatz  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:52:12pm

re: #107 FormerDirtDart

Yup, Black Mirror Metalhead episode. See its beginning…

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:52:37pm

re: #122 The Ghost of a Flea

Anecdotal evidence…it’s not the soy.

(takes bite of mapo tofu)

…unless the tofu causes anomie….

Finally, after 2100 years, Sister Mary Claver’s message has hit home.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:53:40pm

re: #127 Decatur Deb

You’re going to have to explain that one to me. Google was not a friend this time.

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nines09  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:55:15pm

re: #120 wrenchwench

I’m one of the few bike mechanics who can ID the three models of crank involved in the recall in under a minute.

But then you get run over……

“Service With A Smile!”

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Mike Lamb  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:57:02pm

re: #119 FormerDirtDart

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Because special prosecutors investigating the president for money laundering, obstruction, and electoral shenanigans are appointed “lightly”…

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:57:09pm

re: #128 The Ghost of a Flea

You’re going to have to explain that one to me. Google was not a friend this time.

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2018 • 1:59:26pm

re: #123 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

There’s a kink for every person out there- sometimes several. Or 1,000.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:01:16pm

re: #114 Belafon

My oldest sons, 22 and 17, just aren’t interested. I’m actually kind of baffled at the behavior, considering what I was like as a kid.

Same thing with driving - an important part of getting your license was the freedom to date without having your parents drive you, hence no chaperonage.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:05:05pm

re: #122 The Ghost of a Flea

Anecdotal evidence…it’s not the soy.

(takes bite of mapo tofu)

…unless the tofu causes anomie….

I thought tofu caused anime?

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makeitstop  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:08:06pm

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

I thought tofu caused anime?

If you serve it to a bunch of people who like it, it could cause bonhomie.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:08:08pm

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

I thought tofu caused anime?

I was a kindergartener in Japan. I’m an anime OG by US standards. No tofu involved.

If anything, reverse the equation: I’m back doing Chinese because I’ve been reading Shougeki no Souma (basically Iron Chef: the comic book) as a way of chilling out and, um, trying to be not serious all the time.

eta; Oooooohhhh…word play. I am sometimes a wee bit fucking literal.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:24:22pm

re: #69 Ace-o-aces

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Fuck, you could probably knock a hole in one with a sledgehammer.

I wasn’t aware sound was a human looking for a better life… or worse, trying to escape a bad situation.

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austin_blue  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:26:44pm

In international news, London City Airport was shut down today after a 500 kg unexploded bomb was found on the grounds.

One clever wag asked if it had been in Left Luggage since 1940.

(Actually, it was found during construction activities at the King George Docks, immediately south of the runway. LCA is a commuter airport on the Thames just downstream of Greenwich and the O2 arena.)

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:28:15pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

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Disturbingly reminiscent of a recent episode of Black Mirror

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:28:30pm

This outpouring of self-identification by Nehlen’s fellow racists would be an ideal opportunity for Twitter to round up the whole mob and give them the collective boot.
Hah! Just kidding.

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Skip Intro  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:28:31pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:30:09pm

re: #94 Sir John Barron

Did Glenn Beck get passed by by the Crazy?

He made the fatal error of not hopping on the Trumptrain.

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ObserverArt  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:30:51pm

re: #89 lawhawk

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The right wing gravy train just keeps going round and round.

Someone actually backs Ben Shapiro???

What the hell is their problem?

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ObserverArt  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:36:11pm

re: #112 Skip Intro

Florida Man.

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Pastor said teen was ‘possessed by a demon.’ Cops say he was having sex with her.

Ahhh…the old “drivin’ the devil out” excuse.

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Skip Intro  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:37:42pm

re: #144 ObserverArt

It took some deep probing to drive Ol Scratch out of there.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:37:55pm

re: #109 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Just finished the article.

a) That’s a shitty choice of image for the tweet because it communicates a very different message.

b) I really loved the demonization of the MeToo movement in the article, that was an excellent touch.

c) The image they should have used to explain declining sex rates is the one that shows the number of men ages 18-34 still living at home with their parents.

The drive to suppress wages below were a person can live on them, never mind support a family, doesn’t really help.

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Scout  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:40:38pm

Hi folks,
I don’t know how Google handles its “doodles” vis-a-vis different time zones and markets, but this morning (Tuesday, Feb. 13) in Japan, the Google page is making an annoying sound effect, sort of like running water, and there doesn’t seem to be a way to turn it off.
This is what the doodle looks like:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:47:06pm

re: #146 Big Beautiful Door

The drive to suppress wages below were a person can live on them, never mind support a family, doesn’t really help.

The contempt of people on the right, directed at people even slightly lower on the socioeconomic ladder, especially if they’re younger (and/or less white) is one of the more disturbing developments of the last decade or so.

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plansbandc  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:48:14pm

re: #102 Ace-o-aces

LMAO

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:51:30pm

One poster has the theory, er, hypothesis, that Saint Ronnie de Raygun closed all the mental institutions and abolished the Fairness Doctrine specifically to create this voter bloc. Makes more sense than the right’s own conspiracy theories.

Facebook Post

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ObserverArt  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:52:12pm

re: #147 Scout

Hi folks,
I don’t know how Google handles its “doodles” vis-a-vis different time zones and markets, but this morning (Tuesday, Feb. 13) in Japan, the Google page is making an annoying sound effect, sort of like running water, and there doesn’t seem to be a way to turn it off.
This is what the doodle looks like:

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I just checked what Google has up currently and it is a similar scene with google lettered on 6 gates that open with animal characters snowboarding down some jumps on a hill. The sound is the snowboards on snow which could sound like water.

It has a push to play graphic when hovered over to get it going.

I’m thinking your graphic is similar, all to do with the Winter Olympics in South Korea.

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plansbandc  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:56:37pm
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Scout  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:57:14pm

re: #151 ObserverArt

Yes, and on my computer, at least, there’s no way to turn off the sound. And the sound starts as soon as the Google home page comes up — not after you click on the “play” button.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 12, 2018 • 2:58:18pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:00:14pm
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Nyet  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:00:44pm

Charles, re: Chuck’s excuses about his denial - David Cole (who is currently a semi-denier who came to accept mass gassings of Jews, though not in Auschwitz) blows his silly defense out of water:

takimag.com

That explanation I just gave regarding the Red Cross report? I provided a slightly more detailed version of it to Chuck Johnson. I asked him if it altered his opinion regarding the Holocaust death toll. His reply? “Yes, you changed my mind.”

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Sinistershade  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:01:21pm

re: #153 Scout

In Chrome, at least, you can mute the tab by right-clicking the tab in the title bar and selecting “Mute Tab.”

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Scout  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:04:01pm

re: #157 Sinistershade

In Chrome, at least, you can mute the tab by right-clicking the tab in the title bar and selecting “Mute Tab.”

That isn’t working either.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:04:45pm

re: #158 Scout

That isn’t working either.

Is your bathtub running?

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Kragar  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:06:47pm
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Scout  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:07:34pm

re: #159 Decatur Deb

Is your bathtub running?

LOL

But I just figured out that the tab mute button works in Firefox and Opera, but not Chrome.

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ObserverArt  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:10:10pm

re: #161 Scout

LOL

But I just figured out that the tab mute button works in Firefox and Opera, but not Chrome.

That is rather bizarre since Google is Chrome. (???)

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:25:23pm

re: #26 Mike Lamb

This budget won’t even make a fucking dent in his supporters, even though it reveals he could give two shits about them…

Read a good article about that this morning. It makes sense to me.

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wrenchwench  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:32:06pm

I’ve been stuck on my Todd Tijerina Trio CD all day. This one isn’t on it, but it shows why their studio work sounds so much better than all the live videos on YouTube. There’s 3 minutes of music in the middle, sandwiched between two samples of all the work they put in.

The Todd Tijerina Trio @ KUNM studios - Tax Breaks for the Rich

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:32:28pm

re: #163 Romantic Heretic

Read a good article about that this morning. It makes sense to me.

As I say it, they would have to admit they were wrong. That is the single hardest thing for most people to do.

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ckkatz  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:33:31pm

re: #163 Romantic Heretic

Read a good article about that this morning. It makes sense to me.

Good article!

I suspect that you are correct. A significant portion of Trump’s support is based upon membership and ‘virtual’ benefits, not real, measurable benefit. Eric Hoffer’s “True Believer” is also about this.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:33:33pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:38:04pm

re: #119 FormerDirtDart

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Those reasons certainly didn’t cause the Right to hesitate to subpoena Bill Clinton for a deposition.

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ckkatz  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:39:19pm

re: #165 Belafon

As I say it, they would have to admit they were wrong. That is the single hardest thing for most people to do.

I suspect that a lot of his voters will fall away if they are convinced that he cannot govern. Unfortunately that will be because of an economic or foreign disaster. In which we will all get to participate.

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MsJ  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:41:41pm

re: #169 ckkatz

I suspect that a lot of his voters will fall away if they are convinced that he cannot govern. Unfortunately that will be because of an economic or foreign disaster. In which we will all get to participate.

David Duke and his ilk will support trump with their dying breaths.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:43:25pm

re: #169 ckkatz

I suspect that a lot of his voters will fall away if they are convinced that he cannot govern. Unfortunately that will be because of an economic or foreign disaster. In which we will all get to participate.

And, sadly, that won’t help in changing what they believe. It just means they’ll be suckers for the next one. I will definitely have to contemplate that article.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:44:53pm

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

One poster has the theory, er, hypothesis, that Saint Ronnie de Raygun closed all the mental institutions and abolished the Fairness Doctrine specifically to create this voter bloc. Makes more sense than the right’s own conspiracy theories.

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Why didn’t President Obama just use the private army he assembled during his Administration to retain power?//

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:47:23pm
A royal source told Daily Star that the prince and his fiancé “want to do things their own way,” despite some aides advising them not to invite the Obamas because it would outrage current president Donald Trump, who has reportedly not been invited. But now the decision is up to the Obamas. Barack Obama and Prince Harry have a genuine friendship, writes Daily Star, one that goes beyond politics and work. Obama was recently interviewed by the prince on BBC Radio 4’s Today program. When the prince and Markle’s engagement was announced, Obama tweeted “We wish you a lifetime of you and happiness together.”

Trump was not invited.

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ckkatz  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:49:26pm

re: #170 MsJ

David Duke and his ilk will support trump with their dying breaths.

True that. There are always the creepy crawlies under rocks and in the wood work who do not care about good governance or other people, just their deplorable goals.

On another note. I am so sorry to hear about your puppy. :( It can hurt so hard when one shows love by letting go.

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MsJ  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:52:32pm

re: #174 ckkatz

Thanks. Today sucked.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:53:18pm

One of the big coal plants here in Texas is closing:

Luminant Energy phased out operations at its Big Brown coal plant in Freestone County today, ceasing electricity production at the nation’s largest source of sulfur dioxide in 2016 and one of the nation’s largest sources of mercury. Communities in North Texas, affected for decades by dirty air, have held Luminant accountable for its coal pollution through community organizing and legal challenges.

Luminant announced in late 2017 that it would phase out its Big Brown coal plant along with its Sandow and Monticello power plants. Operations already ceased at the Sandow and Monticello coal plants in January of this year. In 2016, these three Luminant coal plants together emitted a total of 166 million pounds of sulfur dioxide, 24 million pounds of nitrogen oxide and 21 million tons of carbon dioxide pollution. That same year, organizers in Dallas secured clean air resolutions from the Dallas City Council and Dallas County Commissioners.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:55:29pm

re: #9 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

His fans, or his bot army plus a handful of fans?

Here’s an idea. Anyone who changed their user name to Paul Nehlen as a result of his ban automatically gets their accounts banned from Twitter as well. Those individuals can then reapply for reinstatement on a case-by-case basis and only those who users whose posts are not filled by neo-Nazi sympathies get their bans lifted.

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:55:46pm

re: #169 ckkatz

I suspect that a lot of his voters will fall away if they are convinced that he cannot govern. Unfortunately that will be because of an economic or foreign disaster. In which we will all get to participate.

No, I don’t think so. Or rather, I don’t think they will ever be convinced he cannot govern, no matter what.

This is a cult. That article uses long words like communion authority and so on, but in simpler terms, this is a religious cult. Members subscribe to it based on what they think their common values are, but it’s not as simple as people deciding to follow because they’re racist or hateful or anything like that, just like people didn’t choose to join the various apocalyptic sex cults of before because they really liked lack of free will and sexual servitude. Rather, a constant barrage of charismatic leadership and reinforcement has produced these ‘values’, perhaps by bringing out some latent tendencies, but also just by sheer indoctrination. This cult is produced by watching the same TV channels and listening to the same radio stations, and reinforced every hour of every day by a community on social media. It is a bond that cannot be broken without removing them from this constant reinforcement, or by them choosing to remove themselves. But while they consume the same media, they will always belong this same cult.

Trump voters will not change their minds. It will never happen. It won’t happen if there’s an economic disaster, it won’t happen if there’s a nuclear war, unless that war also happens to destroy the communications infrastructure the cult depends on. It won’t happen even if Trump were to personally kill one of their family members. The only way they will ever change their minds is to leave the cult, and while that’s possible, it won’t happen in enough numbers to make any difference. (The other way it might happen is if the cult were to, for some reason, turn on Trump. As that article says, a usurpation of power from within could happen, but it would be a distinction without a difference, as the cult would still believe in the same hate.) Do not think of them as possible voters to be persuaded. Do not think of them as rational actors making decisions. Their decisions are made for them - that’s how cults work. Worry instead about destroying the cult, and in the short term, overcoming the numbers the cult has.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:55:48pm

re: #176 Belafon

One of the big coal plants here in Texas is closing:

Texas has a very free energy market, and coal just can’t compete.

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A Cranky One  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:57:39pm

re: #120 wrenchwench

I just called Shimano to see if they are still honoring the recall of a crank they made in 1995. They are. I have one on a bike that came in for a revival restoration this morning. They send a kit of all the parts needed to be compatible with the new crank, then I send them the old crank, and they’ll send me a check to cover labor.

What I didn’t get into with the very helpful person at Shimano is the fact that last time I was on my way to the post office with one of these recalled cranks, I was hit by a car. Some nice person picked up that box and it finished its trip to Shimano. The check was waiting for me six months later when I reopened the shop.

I’m one of the few bike mechanics who can ID the three models of crank involved in the recall in under a minute.

I can list a lot of cranks that should be recalled. Oh wait, you’re talking bicycles. Never mind.

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ckkatz  Feb 12, 2018 • 3:58:10pm

re: #171 Belafon

And, sadly, that won’t help in changing what they believe. It just means they’ll be suckers for the next one. I will definitely have to contemplate that article.

Yup! There is a certainly a class of low information citizens out there.

The more imaginative ones figured out how close to the edge we came under Bush 43. And, I suspect without several thumbs on the scale in 2016, we would not have the current 45. (Putin and Comey come to mind.)

But without the searing memory of a major disaster, we were due for a Repug at some point in the near future anyway.

As Churchill is reputed to have said “Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing… after they have exhausted all other possibilities.”

I just hope we can survive until we do the right thing.

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wrenchwench  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:02:20pm

re: #180 A Cranky One

I can list a lot of cranks that should be recalled. Oh wait, you’re talking bicycles. Never mind.

Takes one to know one, eh?

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A Cranky One  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:03:52pm

re: #175 MsJ

Thanks. Today sucked.

Was so sorry to hear about that. The unconditional love given by our canine friends is so precious. I know you’ll have an empty spot in your heart for a while.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:05:12pm

re: #179 Big Beautiful Door

Texas has a very free energy market, and coal just can’t compete.

The three they’re shutting down account for a whole lot of emissions (h/t Daily Kos):

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Mike Lamb  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:06:59pm

re: #184 Belafon

The three they’re shutting down account for a whole lot of emissions (h/t Daily Kos):

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I was told there would be clean coal.

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KGxvi  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:07:11pm

re: #69 Ace-o-aces

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Fuck, you could probably knock a hole in one with a sledgehammer.

Him calling it the “lower 48” suggests he’s in Alaska, which leads me to ask the question: why the fuck would he care if there’s a border wall between the US and Mexico? Wouldn’t one between Alaska and Canada be more relevant to his life?

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:07:24pm

re: #184 Belafon

The three they’re shutting down account for a whole lot of emissions (h/t Daily Kos):

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Despite Trump’s efforts to halt the tide, coal is on its way out, helping reduce emissons.

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A Cranky One  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:08:08pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

Takes one to know one, eh?

Hey, I’m not a crank. I’m just cranky.

Sometimes I’m asked why I’m always cranky.

The answer is simple: experience.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:08:42pm

re: #181 ckkatz

Yup! There is a certainly a class of low information citizens out there.

The more imaginative ones figured out how close to the edge we came under Bush 43. And, I suspect without several thumbs on the scale in 2016, we would not have the current 45. (Putin and Comey come to mind.)

But without the searing memory of a major disaster, we were due for a Repug at some point in the near future anyway.

As Churchill is reputed to have said “Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing… after they have exhausted all other possibilities.”

I just hope we can survive until we do the right thing.

I think we can. With the voting and the marches, I think we’re beyond the usual opposition party reaction and may finally have some of that apathy solved. The number of both voters and people running for office are new.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:10:10pm
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ckkatz  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:10:19pm

re: #178 Renaissance_Man

Certainly that is one viable conclusion. And I would agree that there are those who fit the truly ‘deplorable’ bill.

(Although I suspect that many on social media who seem to fit the bill actually reside in St Petersburg and Moscow. And only take the positions they do for preofessional reasons.)

I personally hesitate to paint 35% of the US population as a completely outside the moral sphere. I hope that many are convinceable and that we are not heading to another civil war.

I admit that I have been wrong many times, though.

What comes to my mind is how few actually tie themselves to a divisive figure after that figure’s failure. How few still supported Nixon in 1975. How few still supported Hoover in 1932. How few Germans still supported Hitler in 1946.

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KGxvi  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:10:52pm

re: #173 Belafon

Trump was not invited.

If I’d have gotten married during the Obama Administration, I might have tried to convince my fiance to send an invitation to the White House. There’s no way I would do that today. Would you want Trump at your wedding? Would anyone?

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:11:27pm

re: #192 KGxvi

No.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:12:22pm

re: #173 Belafon

The very fact that it would set Trump’s weave on fire is all the reason to invite the Obamas.

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Nyet  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:12:22pm

re: #191 ckkatz

> I hope that many are convinceable

Nope.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:12:54pm

re: #189 Belafon

I think we can. With the voting and the marches, I think we’re beyond the usual opposition party reaction and may finally have some of that apathy solved. The number of both voters and people running for office are new.

The silver lining to Trump is that there is a very good chance that in 2021 we will have a Democratic President with a Democratic Congress that will have two years to get some good legislation enacted. If Clinton had been elected President, we’d probably be looking at a GOP Congress for at least the next 8 years, with no hope of passing any progressive legislation.

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KGxvi  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:13:07pm

re: #191 ckkatz

I personally hesitate to paint 35% of the US population as a completely outside the moral sphere. I hope that many are convinceable and that we are not heading to another civil war.

Whether the crazification factor is 27% or 35% or some other number, I always end up thinking about this:

One Fourth Of Americans are Retards

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:13:07pm

re: #184 Belafon

Everyone downwind is breathing a sigh of relief. Fewer asthma cases. Fewer respiratory ailments. Lower levels of NOx and smog producing chemicals.

All of this is good, and good for the environment and public health.

Trump’s claim that the war on coal is over is actually true.

Coal lost. The vaunted free market determined that years ago when natural gas via fracking turned out to be cheaper and more efficient than coal, which remains the heavy polluter it has always been (no such thing as clean coal despite billions spent on test facilities).

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Old Liberal  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:13:47pm

re: #186 KGxvi

There are no limitations on hating “messicans”. Most of the anti DACA crowd doesn’t have any immigrants in their town, which makes it much easier to hate a caricature. The insularity of these people is so toxic.

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:13:48pm

re: #192 KGxvi

If I’d have gotten married during the Obama Administration, I might have tried to convince my fiance to send an invitation to the White House. There’s no way I would do that today. Would you want Trump at your wedding? Would anyone?

If someone at your dinner party behaved like Trump, you’d ask them to leave. Yet millions of people thought that was just fine in a president.

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:13:56pm

re: #186 KGxvi

Him calling it the “lower 48” suggests he’s in Alaska, which leads me to ask the question: why the fuck would he care if there’s a border wall between the US and Mexico? Wouldn’t one between Alaska and Canada be more relevant to his life?

Most of the people demanding a wall don’t live in an actual border state, let alone have interacted with anyone who might be considered an immigrant, legal or otherwise.

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Skip Intro  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:14:22pm

re: #177 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Here’s an idea. Anyone who changed their user name to Paul Nehlen as a result of his ban automatically gets their accounts banned from Twitter as well. Those individuals can then reapply for reinstatement on a case-by-case basis and only those who users whose posts are not filled by neo-Nazi sympathies get their bans lifted.

That should be a no brainer for @jack. Does @jack have a brain?

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KGxvi  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:15:30pm

re: #196 Big Beautiful Door

The silver lining to Trump is that there is a very good chance that in 2021 we will have a Democratic President with a Democratic Congress that will have two years to get some good legislation enacted. If Clinton had been elected President, we’d probably be looking at a GOP Congress for at least the next 8 years, with no hope of passing any progressive legislation.

If Clinton had one, I’d’ve figured on four years of Clinton and a Republican Congress (or at least one house), two years of Republican president and Republican Congress (or at least one house), two years of Republican president and Democratic Congress, followed by who knows what in 2029.

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ckkatz  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:16:56pm

re: #197 KGxvi

Very good! I had not seen that before. Thanks for posting.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:17:07pm

re: #120 wrenchwench

I just called Shimano to see if they are still honoring the recall of a crank they made in 1995. They are. I have one on a bike that came in for a revival restoration this morning. They send a kit of all the parts needed to be compatible with the new crank, then I send them the old crank, and they’ll send me a check to cover labor.

What I didn’t get into with the very helpful person at Shimano is the fact that last time I was on my way to the post office with one of these recalled cranks, I was hit by a car. Some nice person picked up that box and it finished its trip to Shimano. The check was waiting for me six months later when I reopened the shop.

I’m one of the few bike mechanics who can ID the three models of crank involved in the recall in under a minute.

It’s not the 7410 Dura Ace 175mm, I hope.

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Old Liberal  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:17:48pm

re: #201 lawhawk

Most of the people demanding a wall don’t live in an actual border state, let alone have interacted with anyone who might be considered an immigrant, legal or otherwise.

Same is true with terrorism. The people who are most concerned and let it affect their daily life live in some backwater town that isn’t worth blowing up.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:18:23pm

re: #205 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s not the 7410 Dura Ace 175mm, I hope.

These are, BTW, without question the most beautiful cranksets ever made by humankind.

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ObserverArt  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:20:18pm

re: #173 Belafon

Trump was not invited.

I wonder if Trump is asking his advisers if there is a legal way he can refuse the Obamas from attending the Royal Wedding?

“Can I put them under house arrest or something? Maybe would could say it is for foreign interests and their own protection. We have reports their lives are threatened and we can’t let them go since he is a former president. My base would buy it, and I won’t look bad. I hate Obama…damn him! I know he is a Kenyan Muslim. I know it!!!”

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gocart mozart  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:20:48pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:21:35pm
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wrenchwench  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:21:42pm

re: #205 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s not the 7410 Dura Ace 175mm, I hope.

Nope. Low-end mountain bike stuff. Remember Acera X? Nobody does.

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KGxvi  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:21:43pm

re: #209 gocart mozart

Ok, that’s it. Shut down twitter, we have a winner, it’s over now.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:21:51pm

re: #209 gocart mozart

That was a good retort.

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wrenchwench  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:24:06pm

re: #207 Blind Frog Belly White

These are, BTW, without question the most beautiful cranksets ever made by humankind.

I don’t know… I have a chrome cottered crankset so nice, it lives in the front window, where a previous tenant put his jewelry. Single speed.

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:24:24pm

re: #202 Skip Intro

And they could get banned for TOS violations - impersonating someone else.

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:25:35pm

re: #209 gocart mozart

1) Snowden is the reason security clearances now take longer.
2) The admin is filled with people who have spent more time cozying up to Russia than Snowden.

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ObserverArt  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:27:29pm

re: #186 KGxvi

Him calling it the “lower 48” suggests he’s in Alaska, which leads me to ask the question: why the fuck would he care if there’s a border wall between the US and Mexico? Wouldn’t one between Alaska and Canada be more relevant to his life?

You can never be too far away from an issue to not be outraged by it.

I think it is an American tradition. We can bitch about shit that doesn’t even exist…we’re that good.

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:28:24pm

re: #191 ckkatz

Certainly that is one viable conclusion. And I would agree that there are those who fit the truly ‘deplorable’ bill.

(Although I suspect that many on social media who seem to fit the bill actually reside in St Petersburg and Moscow. And only take the positions they do for preofessional reasons.)

I personally hesitate to paint 35% of the US population as a completely outside the moral sphere. I hope that many are convinceable and that we are not heading to another civil war.

I admit that I have been wrong many times, though.

What comes to my mind is how few actually tie themselves to a divisive figure after that figure’s failure. How few still supported Nixon in 1975. How few still supported Hoover in 1932. How few Germans still supported Hitler in 1946.

Cultists will change their support if told to by the cult, or by the destruction of the cult. I don’t think support for Nixon or any previous president (except the latter part of W’s presidency) had cult-like tendencies. Nazi Germany may be more cult-like, but that cult was destroyed fairly spectacularly. That’s not going to happen in the 21st century USA. If Trump were indicted or voted out, the cult leaders may start telling their believers that he was false, and they will immediately disavow him. But if, for some reason, they told the believers otherwise, no amount of physical or personal deprivation would change that belief.

The NYT and American mainstream media also hopes as you do, and are paving the way as best they can for cult members to be allowed to excuse themselves in public, to pretend that Trump support and hating other Americans was just something they tried out for size, and that it was totally fine because of economic anxiety or excessive political correctness or some other bullshit. That’s the purpose behind all these navel-gazing Trump supporter articles - to reinforce the cultural dominance of the mediocre white male, and to normalise their hate so that they remain glorified in society instead of pariahs as they should be. That sort of retroactive forgiveness has worked so many times before, allowing Nixon supporters to pretend they never supported such things, allowing people who have done terrible things to continue on as if they were totally excusable.

But fundamentally, I think we differ in that I do think 35% of Americans belong to this cult, and will do exactly as they’re told, no matter how evil that is.

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austin_blue  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:32:09pm

re: #176 Belafon

One of the big coal plants here in Texas is closing:

And about three thousand *pounds* of elemental mercury from those three sites alone. For reference, the entire California power grid emits less than 20 pounds/year.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:35:32pm

re: #207 Blind Frog Belly White

These are, BTW, without question the most beautiful cranksets ever made by humankind.

My brother had a spare Dura Ace set that he put on my bike for me. It really is nice. It’s ca 1990s, but I don’t know anything else.

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ckkatz  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:36:50pm

re: #195 Nyet

> I hope that many are convinceable

Nope.

As someone for whom I have a lot of respect, your rather blunt ‘Nope’ raised some questions for me.

I respect that the audience here can be rather ‘direct’ at times. But if you are comfortable, two questions in particular come to mind.

What led you to your conclusion. And, assuming it is correct, what should we do about it?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:44:16pm

re: #211 wrenchwench

Nope. Low-end mountain bike stuff. Remember Acera X? Nobody does.

Heh. 105, Ultegra, and Dura Ace are the only ones the Shimano makes, right?

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austin_blue  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:44:38pm

re: #184 Belafon

The three they’re shutting down account for a whole lot of emissions (h/t Daily Kos):

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The reason those plants were so foul was that they burned locally mined, shallow lignite using big-ass draglines. Coal is filthy in general but lignite, which is one step up from peat, is the worst. It’s not called “brown coal” for nothing. It’s just a shitty fuel source, but it’s cheap.

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ckkatz  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:50:37pm

re: #218 Renaissance_Man

I agree with you that there is a certain percentage of folks who are completely unredeemable. I agree with you that we are basically discussing the size of that cult.

I agree with you on how cult45 is going to act. And I think we agree that they came to cult45 from other places. To which they would return were they to abandon cult45. (Ie, they are not going away. Even if they return to the woodwork from which they crawled out.)

And I agree with your point on how the mainstream media is trying to give cult45 a chance to back away from the derp. Another example of the your point on retroactive forgiveness is how the US dealt with Reconstruction after the Civil War.

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:51:25pm

re: #223 austin_blue

This is a few years out of date, but the 50 worst polluting coal plants contributed an obscene amount of pollution.

In 2011, the 50 dirtiest U.S. power plants were responsible for 30 percent of all U.S. power-sector emissions of carbon dioxide, 12 percent of total U.S. energy-related emissions, and 2 percent of worldwide energy-related emissions.10 (See Figure 1.) If the 50 dirtiest power plants were an independent nation, they would be the seventh-largest emitter of carbon dioxide pollution in the world, behind Germany and ahead of South Korea.11 (See Figure 2.) Their emissions in 2011 were greater than half the emissions of all passenger vehicles in the United States in 2010.12(See Table 1 for additional comparisons.)• The 100 dirtiest plants were responsible for about half of total carbon dioxide emissions from the U.S. electricity sector in 2011, and more than 3 percent of total worldwide emissions from energy use.1

That list of 50 includes Martin Lake and others mentioned above.

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sagehen  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:54:13pm

re: #65 Barefoot Grin

Like the Sheriff of Nottingham….

Bull Connor was a Sheriff, in Sessions’ home state during his formative years no less.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:54:46pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:58:37pm
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sagehen  Feb 12, 2018 • 4:58:58pm

re: #103 Belafon

Read the article. They are first talking about how young adults are having less sex.

1. They can’t afford their own apartments; they either live with their parents or they have 6 roommates

2. They don’t have cars.

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ObserverArt  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:00:28pm

re: #225 lawhawk

This is a few years out of date, but the 50 worst polluting coal plants contributed an obscene amount of pollution.

That list of 50 includes Martin Lake and others mentioned above.

Nice to see the Ohio AEP plants not in the top 100 on that list. My understanding is AEP has gone to mostly natural gas and now they are also jumping into solar and wind. I am not sure when they went to natural gas, but I think it was before the list which is from 2011, so some others may have changed.

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makeitstop  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:00:30pm
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:02:30pm

re: #226 sagehen

Bull Connor was a Sheriff, in Sessions’ home state during his formative years no less.

Found this from Senator from Hawaii in Lawrence Tribe’s timeline:

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:02:43pm

re: #231 makeitstop

The only artist that would do it is if Lee Greenwood also paints.

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petesh  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:06:24pm

re: #231 makeitstop

I’m sure little Trump is mad about the Obama portraits but on a deeper level, he just doesn’t care as long as we talk about him. That’s all he wants, people to talk about him. And give them his money, of course.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:07:02pm

re: #192 KGxvi

If I’d have gotten married during the Obama Administration, I might have tried to convince my fiance to send an invitation to the White House. There’s no way I would do that today. Would you want Trump at your wedding? Would anyone?

The risk of him demanding Prima Nocta is too high to take a chance.

That, and he’s an obnoxious buffoon who needs to make every occasion about him.

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ipsos  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:12:57pm

re: #221 ckkatz

What led you to your conclusion. And, assuming it is correct, what should we do about it?

We work like hell to get minority voters out in record numbers.

Black women elected Doug Jones in Alabama. They may save all of us yet.

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Skip Intro  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:13:44pm
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:16:49pm

re: #237 Skip Intro

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:16:57pm

re: #237 Skip Intro

This is only a small mutation beyond what I hear from a lot of Americans about WW2.

The “we saved everybody, they owe us” shit is ubiquitous.

eta: also this is the crystallization of the appeal of Trump…tectonic-scale entitlement and grievance,, the idea that everyone owes them deference. That’s what unites the far right at current.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:18:46pm

re: #237 Skip Intro

Isn’t this the lazy ass that doesn’t go to work until 11:00 and leaves at 4:00?

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:19:47pm

re: #237 Skip Intro

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Really dangerous ignorance.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:20:55pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:21:54pm

re: #237 Skip Intro

“Lazy” … says the fucker who has spent about 1/4 of his Presidency golfing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:27:40pm

re: #237 Skip Intro

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Everything is a monetary transaction to this boob. No grasp of the idea that you do something like the Marshall Plan because it’s WAY CHEAPER than fighting WWII again in 20-50 years.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:29:29pm

re: #192 KGxvi

If I’d have gotten married during the Obama Administration, I might have tried to convince my fiance to send an invitation to the White House. There’s no way I would do that today. Would you want Trump at your wedding? Would anyone?

VB sent an invitation to the Obamas for her daughter’s wedding (IIRC).
Barack replied with a best wishes note.

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MsJ  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:30:27pm

re: #243 Eclectic Cyborg

“Lazy” … says the fucker who has spent about 1/4 of his Presidency golfing.

And the rest watching television.

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unproven innocence  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:35:21pm

re: #153 Scout

Yes, and on my computer, at least, there’s no way to turn off the sound. And the sound starts as soon as the Google home page comes up — not after you click on the “play” button.

If you have a set of earphones (especially if they don’t work anymore), try plugging them into the audio phone jack. You’re welcome.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:39:06pm

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

VB sent an invitation to the Obamas for her daughter’s wedding (IIRC).
Barack replied with a best wishes note.

I should have. :/

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Charles Johnson  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:42:49pm
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plansbandc  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:44:04pm

I wish that I could explain the absolute gut level loathing I have for the dotard. The every single second of every single minute of every single hour of every single day of every single week of every single month of every single year of pure fucking hate. Oh fucking hell I hate him. I hate his followers. I hate every single goddamn person that enabled him to win and continue to enable him.

I fucking loved America. And I fucking hate Trumpland.

Seriously you guys the oppressive wind today? I mean I haven’t dropped this many f bombs in a fucking long fucking time.

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Skip Intro  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:45:53pm

re: #244 Blind Frog Belly White

Everybody is a sucker and a fool compared to Trump. All those other presidents, morons, every single one of them.

Why back in WWII if Trump was president he would have made a deal to charge the Allies for every soldier, vehicle, ship, plane, bullet, shell and bomb plus fuel and wear and tear. If they missed a payment, well maybe the Axis powers would be more appreciative.

To call this man garbage is to denigrate garbage’s name.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:46:31pm

re: #229 sagehen

1. They can’t afford their own apartments; they either live with their parents or they have 6 roommates

2. They don’t have cars.

There’s a little more than that, though, and it’s a good thing. Not having a car or living at home, as a teenager, wasn’t a hindrance. I’m glad they’re better than I was.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:47:23pm

good fucking grief

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MsJ  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:47:59pm

Fucking Russians took the bronze in mixed doubles curling.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:48:47pm

re: #250 plansbandc

You are not alone. I disliked Nixon, Reagan and W most, but they had some redeeming qualities. Trump has none. Zero. I see his face and I want to throw stuff at it.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:49:12pm
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sagehen  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:49:45pm

re: #252 Belafon

There’s a little more than that, though, and it’s a good thing. Not having a car or living at home, as a teenager, wasn’t a hindrance. I’m glad they’re better than I was.

Also, they spend so much time online or on their smartphones, when you and I were young when we interacted with people it was IRL.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:50:50pm

And once again I am waiting for my plane, after arriving 2 hours ahead like a good boy.

First world problems.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:52:09pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:52:37pm

re: #255 wheat-dogg

You are not alone. I disliked Nixon, Reagan and W most, but they had some redeeming qualities. Trump has none. Zero. I see his face and I want to throw stuff at it.

I think visceral hate of Trump is a rationally defensible position.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:52:59pm

re: #257 sagehen

Also, they spend so much time online or on their smartphones, when you and I were young when we interacted with people it was IRL.

Scout can confirm, but I remember reading that young folks in Japan don’t date much now. Lots of singles with no inclination to find an SO.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:53:19pm

re: #257 sagehen

Also, they spend so much time online or on their smartphones, when you and I were young when we interacted with people it was IRL.

True. But not quite the same interaction. I had hormones seeping out of my pores.

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MsJ  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:53:25pm

re: #260 Blind Frog Belly White

I think visceral hate of Trump is a rationally defensible position.

Anything but is an irrational position.

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wheat-dogg  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:54:43pm

re: #260 Blind Frog Belly White

I think visceral hate of Trump is a rationally defensible position.

He’s scum. Everything bad about Americans in one ugly package.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:56:58pm

re: #260 Blind Frog Belly White

I think visceral hate of Trump is a rationally defensible position.

It’s also perfectly rational to run in “I am opposed to everything Trump does.” We don’t need a message any better at this moment than “I will stop him from doing what he’s doing, I will investigate him, and I will try to reverse what he has done.”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:57:20pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

Even ignoring the hatchet, holding a cat that size by the scruff of its neck is pretty rotten.

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gocart mozart  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:58:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:58:47pm
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:58:59pm

re: #1 Kragar

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Which is fine with me. Let them go to their own spaces and stay away from Twitter and Facebook and other widely used forums.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:59:10pm

re: #267 gocart mozart

Not so amazing. It’s a small way to make up for having a son who’s a right-wing asshole.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:59:35pm

re: #267 gocart mozart

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They must be so disappointed with him. I would be.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:59:52pm

re: #263 MsJ

Anything but is an irrational position.

I disagree. For some people it makes perfect sense to like Trump. Like, say, if you make a shit-ton of money, especially if you’re in a position to take all your compensation as pass-through income. Or if you’re a loan shark owner of a Pay Day Loan company, or other such business that benefits from having Mick Mulvaney looking out for your interests while running a bureau founded to do the opposite. Or if you’re a white guy who can’t compete on a level playing field with immigrants. For all those people, liking Trump is rationally defensible.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 12, 2018 • 5:59:58pm

re: #269 Patricia Kayden

Which is fine with me. Let them go to their own spaces and stay away from Twitter and Facebook and other widely used forums.

They need a service that gives them an electric shock whenever they post anything horrible.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:00:08pm

I’m just coming in on this convo but that feeling you get in your core when you walk int a room and jackass is on the tube spewing pain and suffering.
I will dance in the street the day of his demise.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:00:51pm

re: #270 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Not so amazing. It’s a small way to make up for having a son who’s a right-wing asshole.

Sometimes, no matter how you raise a kid, they don’t get into art school.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:01:06pm

re: #256 goddamnedfrank

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And he’s not lazy? When does he get up and start working again? How many times has he played golf? He has a nerve.

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Skip Intro  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:01:22pm

re: #267 gocart mozart

He looks like Richard Spencer to me.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:01:44pm

re: #273 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The shock is when their behinds get kicked off forums like Twitter.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:01:56pm

The older tuxedo cat (I’d guess that she’s six or seven) that’s been hanging around my house for years hasn’t been around since Wednesday morning. Should I be worried?

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:02:45pm

re: #254 MsJ

Thought they were banned for doping.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:03:06pm

re: #264 wheat-dogg

He’s scum. Everything bad about Americans in one ugly package.

And worst of all, he mainstreams and justifies the worst impulses in the worst people in this country. It’s not just coarsening the discourse. It’s celebrating and rewarding hatred and ignorance.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:03:40pm
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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:03:53pm

re: #276 Patricia Kayden

And he’s not lazy? When does he get up and start working again? How many times has he played golf? He has a nerve.

if you haven’t read the article at #163, read it. It indirectly explains Trump’s statement. He’s filling in the resentment “his” folks feel at not being the center of things.

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ObserverArt  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:04:59pm

re: #243 Eclectic Cyborg

“Lazy” … says the fucker who has spent about 1/4 of his Presidency golfing.

Wait ‘til spring hits. He will be playing more golf than last year. I still think it is a way for him skip the pressure of not knowing what the fuck he is doing. Pure escapism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:05:05pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:06:58pm

re: #281 Blind Frog Belly White

And worst of all, he mainstreams and justifies the worst impulses in the worst people in this country. It’s not just coarsening the discourse. It’s celebrating and rewarding hatred and ignorance.

Which Republicans have been doing for decades now. Be a hateful, ignorant jackass, and billionaires will finance you.

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Skip Intro  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:09:13pm

re: #286 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

And the NYT will try to understand your supporter’s pain on a weekly basis.

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MsJ  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:09:38pm

re: #275 Belafon

Sometimes, no matter how you raise a kid, they don’t get into art school.

I see what you did there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:09:47pm

re: #286 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Which Republicans have been doing for decades now. Be a hateful, ignorant jackass, and billionaires will finance you.

The difference is that hitherto, they had to speak in dogwhistle, and at least give a nod to reality. Only a few, in the reddest of districts, could go full Birther, or full AGW Denialist. Most were stuck in ‘Just asking questions’ and ‘the debate isn’t over yet’ mode. Trump makes it okay to say things they thought, but couldn’t say.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:10:07pm

Just stumbled into the first TV drama of the Trump Age, HBO’s Here and Now. It’s quite frightening, exploring a family of Lifestyle Liberals facing the psychological and philosophical impact of our newly-discovered country.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:11:08pm
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MsJ  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:11:26pm

re: #280 Patricia Kayden

Thought they were banned for doping.

No. They are the “Olympic Athletes from Russia” now. They can’t fly the Russian flag or play “for Russia”. They got wrist slapped. It’s infuriating.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:16:05pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:21:32pm
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petesh  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:21:46pm

re: #242 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Trump wouldn’t help his own family.
newyorker.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:24:31pm

re: #294 Charles Johnson

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I’m not religious at all but it really makes me sick when Trump tries to play the part of a pious person. I’m not religious as I said but I know a lot of people who genuinely are people of faith and the way he uses that is just agh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:24:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:25:08pm
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VegasGolfer  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:25:33pm

re: #295 petesh

thought it was about the baby he would take away the health care before i even clicked the link.
wasn’t wrong.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:28:36pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:29:34pm

I strongly suspect the real power in the White House is Mike Pence. He’s the one who has legitimate long-standing ties to the religious right base, and that’s where the GOP’s power really comes from.

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gocart mozart  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:30:16pm

This thread is full of win

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petesh  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:30:18pm

re: #299 VegasGolfer

Yup. I wrote it in response to the crass lie about Presidents not getting Europe to pay us back for helping them … but went out to walk the dogs before hitting Post. Evergreen truth, though.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:30:25pm

re: #294 Charles Johnson

And operating at levels above Trump and the RR are the Real Money—Individuals and corporations that look at Trump as a useful arriviste buffoon.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:30:43pm

re: #301 Charles Johnson

I strongly suspect the real power in the White House is Mike Pence. He’s the one who has legitimate long-standing ties to the religious right base, and that’s where the GOP’s power really comes from.

We’re definitely eeing his influence.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:31:16pm

re: #302 gocart mozart

This thread is full of win

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Ha!

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Kragar  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:37:42pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:42:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:42:37pm

re: #307 Kragar

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People like you were saying this when the minimum wage was concieved Tomi. Find a new gig.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:44:23pm

re: #307 Kragar

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Do you know why we have a minimum wage? Because if people like you had it your way, you wouldn’t pay people ANYTHING for the work that minimum-wage workers do. Douchecanoe.

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:44:48pm

re: #309 HappyWarrior

People like you were saying this when the minimum wage was concieved Tomi. Find a new gig.

Funny, but she’ll be eclipsed at Fox by someone younger and more idiotic than her.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:45:02pm

re: #310 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Do you know why we have a minimum wage? Because if people like you had it your way, you wouldn’t pay people ANYTHING for the work that minimum-wage workers do. Douchecanoe.

And let’s face it. If we did replace workers with iPads, she’d be the first to complain.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:48:24pm

re: #312 HappyWarrior

And let’s face it. If we did replace workers with iPads, she’d be the first to complain.

They already do. Go get ‘em started on automated kiosks. Or look to the previous generation and manufacturing robots.

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lawhawk  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:49:10pm

Hannity’s gotta Hannity.

So who does he get to come on to peddle this bs?

Florida AG Pam Bondi, who happened to take Trump money and somehow managed to drop Trump scam school case.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:49:58pm

What’s fascinatingly stupid is that automation of the service industry doesn’t necessarily benefit the consumer.

Congratulations…you’re paying for less service, less customizability, and the potential for a different, harder-to-solve inconvenience when the machine fails to do it’s shit.

I mean, have you ever used self-checkout?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:50:36pm

re: #314 lawhawk

Hannity’s gotta Hannity.

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So who does he get to come on to peddle this bs?

Florida AG Pam Bondi, who happened to take Trump money and somehow managed to drop Trump scam school case.

Lumpy had no problem with FISA and the NSA when Bush was in office. And yeah Bondi? Great choice Lumpy.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:51:23pm

re: #313 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

They already do. Go get ‘em started on automated kiosks. Or look to the previous generation and manufacturing robots.

The way I look at is this, if you’re going to be bitching about people who serve your food wanting better wages. maybe you shouldn’t go out to eat.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:52:10pm

re: #315 The Ghost of a Flea

What’s fascinatingly stupid is that automation of the service industry doesn’t necessarily benefit the consumer.

Congratulations…you’re paying for less service, less customizability, and the potential for a different, harder-to-solve inconvenience when the machine fails to do it’s shit.

I mean, have you ever used self-checkout?

Self-check out is all right if you have a few items but I’d never want to do a whole shopping load on the self check out.

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Skip Intro  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:52:40pm

re: #315 The Ghost of a Flea

What’s fascinatingly stupid is that automation of the service industry doesn’t necessarily benefit the consumer.

Congratulations…you’re paying for less service, less customizability, and the potential for a different, harder-to-solve inconvenience when the machine fails to do it’s shit.

I mean, have you ever used self-checkout?

I love it when it demands that I lift the 40 pound bag of water softener salt out of my cart and onto its 18 inch scale, then locks up.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:53:42pm

re: #318 HappyWarrior

Self-check out is all right if you have a few items but I’d never want to do a whole shopping load on the self check out.

If I wanted to work for a retail store, I’d fill out an application. Screw their scab registers.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:53:43pm

re: #317 HappyWarrior

The way I look at is this, if you’re going to be bitching about people who serve your food wanting better wages. maybe you shouldn’t go out to eat.

What do you expect them to do, cook for themselves? What kind of uncouth barbarian are you?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:53:44pm

re: #314 lawhawk

Hannity’s gotta Hannity.

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So who does he get to come on to peddle this bs?

Florida AG Pam Bondi, who happened to take Trump money and somehow managed to drop Trump scam school case.

and Tom Fitton.
*spit*

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ObserverArt  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:53:49pm

re: #309 HappyWarrior

People like you were saying this when the minimum wage was concieved Tomi. Find a new gig.

I bet Tomi wouldn’t work for $15 an hour. And what does she even produce or serve that everyone can’t do without?

In a sense I have already replaced Tomi with a tablet/pad. I don’t watch her, only seeing stuff on her here. I can be somewhere else ignoring her, on my tablet or one of my PCs.

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Kragar  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:53:51pm

re: #314 lawhawk

Caught him on the radio on the way home

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:54:12pm

re: #319 Skip Intro

I love when it freaks out because I set my empty grocery bags in the loading area and it keeps telling me to scan them again.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:55:02pm

re: #323 ObserverArt

I bet Tomi wouldn’t work for $15 an hour. And what does she even produce or serve that everyone can’t do without?

In a sense I have already replaced Tomi with a tablet/pad. I don’t watch her, only seeing stuff on her here. I can be somewhere else ignoring her, on my tablet or one of my PCs.

Seriously all she is a younger version of Coulter.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:55:40pm

re: #319 Skip Intro

I love it when it demands that I lift the 40 pound bag of water softener salt out of my cart and onto its 18 inch scale then locks up.

The ones I’ve used have an option that says, “I don’t want to bag this item.” I usually get into trouble with fresh produce because there’s no scan tag, so you have to pick the right item, and measure it, and the search interface is terribad.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:56:47pm

So that Moody idiot is looking pretty stupid right now considering the diverse Olympians that were promoted are doing quite well.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:57:47pm

re: #319 Skip Intro

I love it when it demands that I lift the 40 pound bag of water softener salt out of my cart and onto its 18 inch scale, then locks up.

They’ve added hand scanners at the checkout. The Walmart in my area is also testing scanners people carry with them, and then you just put the scanner in the terminal when you are done.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:58:15pm

re: #327 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The ones I’ve used have an option that says, “I don’t want to bag this item.” I usually get into trouble with fresh produce because there’s no scan tag, so you have to pick the right item, and measure it, and the search interface is terribad.

Apparently my diet is 50% unidentified vegetation from Patagonia.

Buying cardoons actually got embarrassing. Like three people consulting with each other, all staring at me accusingly, with a certain air that suggested maybe I should have just bought some fucking celery like a normal person.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 12, 2018 • 6:59:39pm
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jaunte  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:01:00pm
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ThomasLite  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:03:55pm

re: #320 Decatur Deb

If I wanted to work for a retail store, I’d fill out an application. Screw their scab registers.

Funny. Maybe things are different around here but at my local supermarket there’s something like 20 self checkout registers in the space of 5 or so regular registers, there’s one to three employees supervising (depending on how busy it is etc), barely anyone has issues and you get through pretty much instantly, even when the entire store is pretty much chock full (and it’s in a pretty busy location to boot). The things are pleasant to work with and I’ve never had to wait for more than a few seconds to get to one, in stark contrast to the ‘classic’ model registers. I recognise that there’s a loss of jobs there but to argue that it’s a loss to the customer ‘experience’? Heck, you guys must have pretty poor self-service registers compared to ours, to put it mildly.

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ObserverArt  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:03:59pm

re: #327 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The ones I’ve used have an option that says, “I don’t want to bag this item.” I usually get into trouble with fresh produce because there’s no scan tag, so you have to pick the right item, and measure it, and the search interface is terribad.

Kroger here in Ohio has their machines working pretty well now as compared to when they first started. They even made their fruit and produce easier to deal with because they put little number stickers on the item.

You put it on the scale, punch in the number and it’s priced. And they are good for small runs.

The one I use downtown has four lanes of four machines now. It helps serve the lunchtime people that come in for the salad bar, deli and cafeteria items, etc.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:04:52pm

I ran into my first self-checkout in 1993. They have been around for a while.

The Walmart in my area is generating business now via their curbside delivery.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:06:00pm
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Teukka  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:06:24pm

Observations show sea levels rising, and climate change is accelerating it (CNN)
TL;DR sea level has risen 7cm (2 3/4”) since 1993.

The Good News Keeps a comin’///

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jaunte  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:06:31pm

re: #333 ThomasLite

I’m hoping that eventually “loss prevention” tech will merge with automated checkouts and we can just walk out of the store and be charged for what we’re carrying.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:06:57pm
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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:10:24pm

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

Would Corker actually save it?

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JordanRules  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:10:45pm

re: #333 ThomasLite

My experience with them over the last 2 years is pretty much like yours.

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jaunte  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:11:16pm

re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth

Was the white woman St. Catherine of Alexandria?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:13:50pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:13:55pm

Finally! Rain, Rain, Glorious Rain here in Los Angeles!

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ObserverArt  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:14:14pm

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If someone takes out Marsha Blackburn that would restore a whole lot of faith for me and a belief that things can turn for the Democrats. Please make it so!!!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:15:16pm

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Damn, Pumbaa really let himself go.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:15:25pm

re: #345 ObserverArt

If someone takes out Marsha Blackburn that would restore a whole lot of faith in me and a belief that things can turn for the Democrats. Please make it so!!!

Isn’t that setting the bar pretty high? It is Tennessee.

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ThomasLite  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:16:23pm

re: #338 jaunte

I’m hoping that eventually “loss prevention” tech will merge with automated checkouts and we can just walk out of the store and be charged for what we’re carrying.

Hallelujah, sing it ;-)
That’s probably kind of a long way for supermarket stuff though. It’s never gonna happen with anything fresh and bagged to whatever quantity you want, and lots of cheaper things aren’t going to be worthwhile putting even half a penny’s worth of RFID tag on (since in the end us consumers are cheap and will not shop anywhere that’s consistently half a penny per item more expensive…).

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:17:56pm

re: #333 ThomasLite

Funny. Maybe things are different around here but at my local supermarket there’s something like 20 self checkout registers in the space of 5 or so regular registers, there’s one to three employees supervising (depending on how busy it is etc), barely anyone has issues and you get through pretty much instantly, even when the entire store is pretty much chock full (and it’s in a pretty busy location to boot). The things are pleasant to work with and I’ve never had to wait for more than a few seconds to get to one, in stark contrast to the ‘classic’ model registers. I recognise that there’s a loss of jobs there but to argue that it’s a loss to the customer ‘experience’? Heck, you guys must have pretty poor self-service registers compared to ours, to put it mildly.

To paraphrase Walter, the Walmart greeter, my peak shopping experience is to “get my shit and get out”. Why would I take work from some kid who’s trying to feed her family?

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teleskiguy  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:19:40pm

re: #116 FormerDirtDart

We’re doomed.

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ObserverArt  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:20:56pm

re: #347 Belafon

Isn’t that setting the bar pretty high? It is Tennessee.

It is only a statement of hope based on the info in Sleuth’s post in #339. I wasn’t declaring anything.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:24:32pm

re: #351 ObserverArt

It is only a statement of hope based on the info in Sleuth’s post in #339. I wasn’t declaring anything.

OK. I will say I was pretty panicked after 2016 ended. But the special election wins, and the increasing margins, in places we were consistently losing, has made me way more optimistic.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:25:10pm

re: #352 Belafon

OK. I will say I was pretty panicked after 2016 ended. But the special election wins, and the increasing margins, in places we were consistently losing, has made me way more optimistic.

We get two more shots.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:26:13pm

When is the Pennsylvania special election?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:26:45pm

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

VB sent an invitation to the Obamas for her daughter’s wedding (IIRC).
Barack replied with a best wishes note.

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MsJ  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:27:03pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:27:32pm

re: #352 Belafon

OK. I will say I was pretty panicked after 2016 ended. But the special election wins, and the increasing margins, in places we were consistently losing, has made me way more optimistic.

FiveThirtyEight said there were possibly 7 governorships the Republicans could pick up. Minnesota’s was one of them. That took me by surprise; Tim Pawlenty notwithstanding, Minnesota isn’t as Republican as all that. It’s mostly a very vocal minority in a very specific small area around the Twin Cities.

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:28:43pm

re: #357 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

FiveThirtyEight said there were possibly 7 governorships the Republicans could pick up. Minnesota’s was one of them. That took me by surprise; Tim Pawlenty notwithstanding, Minnesota isn’t as Republican as all that. It’s mostly a very vocal minority in a very specific small area around the Twin Cities.

Is that recent?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:28:58pm
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ThomasLite  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:29:28pm

re: #349 Decatur Deb

To paraphrase Walter, the Walmart greeter, my peak shopping experience is to “get my shit and get out”. Why would I take work from some kid who’s trying to feed her family?

I understand that last bit (even though I’d like to point out that it’s not entirely different from the buggy whip industry etc) but you seemed to say the self checkout was unpleasant in it’s own right. That always sounds a bit strange to me, that’s all.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:29:40pm

re: #358 Belafon

Is that recent?

Is what recent, the article? It was yesterday, I think. fivethirtyeight.com

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Charles Johnson  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:32:10pm

Another Indian spammer showed up tonight.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:32:20pm

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Too reasonable. Sigh.

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Scout  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:33:15pm

LOL.

Hugh Jackman reads the same newspaper I do:

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:33:35pm

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:34:22pm

re: #361 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Is what recent, the article? It was yesterday, I think. fivethirtyeight.com

OK. Just read it. A few of them seem farther apart than the drama seems to warrant. All we can say is GOTV.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:35:00pm

re: #315 The Ghost of a Flea

What’s fascinatingly stupid is that automation of the service industry doesn’t necessarily benefit the consumer.

Congratulations…you’re paying for less service, less customizability, and the potential for a different, harder-to-solve inconvenience when the machine fails to do it’s shit.

I mean, have you ever used self-checkout?

I remember when Tesco came into Southern California with their Fresh & Easy markets that had no checkout workers. Instead they had scanners and half a dozen “walkers”.

The markets failed.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:35:09pm

re: #366 Belafon

OK. Just read it. A few of them seem farther apart than the drama seems to warrant. All we can say is GOTV.

Yeah, it’s not that I’m worried. That doesn’t mean I should rest on my laurels, however. After all, we were all not very worried about Donald Trump, and we all know how that ended.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:35:25pm

re: #360 ThomasLite

I understand that last bit (even though I’d like to point out that it’s not entirely different from the buggy whip industry etc) but you seemed to say the self checkout was unpleasant in it’s own right. That always sounds a bit strange to me, that’s all.

I like our Publix checkout kid, Mercedes. Goes to church with Wife. We’ve baby-sat her kid. If you try to buy a bottle of wine or pack of cigs in an Alabama self-check it calls the fucking store gendarmerie. I’m the customer. I don’t work for them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:35:40pm
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scottslemmons  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:35:53pm

re: #245 Backwoods_Sleuth

VB sent an invitation to the Obamas for her daughter’s wedding (IIRC).
Barack replied with a best wishes note.

When my grandmother had her 100th birthday, we sent requests for greetings from every state and national elected official we could. The Obamas sent a nice greeting, which we framed. The only other official to send anything other than a really perfunctory note was, believe it or not, Gov. Rick Perry. The Governor’s Office apparently never had anyone request greetings of that sort, as there wasn’t a link on their site for it, like there was for every other official we contacted. They sent a very nice proclamation-style document. (Grandmother was a Republican, so we framed that one, too.)

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Belafon  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:38:09pm

re: #370 Backwoods_Sleuth

I wouldn’t find any problem at all with ICE agents doing shit like this being told by a judge they can’t return without anyone they try to deport this way.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:38:29pm

re: #371 scottslemmons

When my grandmother had her 100th birthday, we sent requests for greetings from every state and national elected official we could. The Obamas sent a nice greeting, which we framed. The only other official to send anything other than a really perfunctory note was, believe it or not, Gov. Rick Perry. The Governor’s Office apparently never had anyone request greetings of that sort, as there wasn’t a link on their site for it, like there was for every other official we contacted. They sent a very nice proclamation-style document. (Grandmother was a Republican, so we framed that one, too.)

I remember my grandmother cherishing her Christmas card from the Clintons. She was a proud Democrat till the end.

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scottslemmons  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:43:36pm

re: #373 HappyWarrior

I remember my grandmother cherishing her Christmas card from the Clintons. She was a proud Democrat till the end.

My grandmother seemed entirely pleased to get the card from the Obamas. She was a Republican, but not deranged. Getting a note from the president was the cool thing for her.

After she died, and everyone was divvying up her stuff, my more wingnutty cousin said she might want both proclamations. She was already grabbing everything she could and she gave the impression she was going to junk the Obamas’ note, so I put my foot down and said I did all the legwork to get ‘em, and I paid for the frames, so they were going home with me.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:43:54pm

When Grandma Bacon turned 100, I wrote to Senators Feinstein and Boxer and President Clinton. All three of them sent wonderful letters for me to give to my Grandmother. But when I came to see Grandma for her birthday and I wanted to give her the letters, my Aunt took them out of my hands and tore them up . While she tore them up she said she would not let Grandma touch such satanic documents.

This was my same insane Aunt who set up a prayer altar with Reagan’s picture. She actually prayed to Reagan.

This is why I so detest the fucking Religious Right!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:45:19pm

she is still updating the thread today.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:45:36pm

re: #371 scottslemmons

When my grandmother had her 100th birthday, we sent requests for greetings from every state and national elected official we could. The Obamas sent a nice greeting, which we framed. The only other official to send anything other than a really perfunctory note was, believe it or not, Gov. Rick Perry. The Governor’s Office apparently never had anyone request greetings of that sort, as there wasn’t a link on their site for it, like there was for every other official we contacted. They sent a very nice proclamation-style document. (Grandmother was a Republican, so we framed that one, too.)

When I was a kid, I wrote to then-President George H. W. Bush. By the time my correspondence was received, it was President Bill Clinton that responded. I kept that letter on my wall regardless.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:48:21pm

re: #374 scottslemmons

My grandmother seemed entirely pleased to get the card from the Obamas. She was a Republican, but not deranged. Getting a note from the president was the cool thing for her.

After she died, and everyone was divvying up her stuff, my more wingnutty cousin said she might want both proclamations. She was already grabbing everything she could and she gave the impression she was going to junk the Obamas’ note, so I put my foot down and said I did all the legwork to get ‘em, and I paid for the frames, so they were going home with me.

Yeah I think Nana would have felt the same way. She really liked Adlai Stevenson according to my Dad. Awesome you kept the Obama letter.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:49:12pm

re: #375 Joe Bacon 🌹

When Grandma Bacon turned 100, I wrote to Senators Feinstein and Boxer and President Clinton. All three of them sent wonderful letters for me to give to my Grandmother. But when I came to see Grandma for her birthday and I wanted to give her the letters, my Aunt took them out of my hands and tore them up . While she tore them up she said she would not let Grandma touch such satanic documents.

This was my same insane Aunt who set up a prayer altar with Reagan’s picture. She actually prayed to Reagan.

This is why I so detest the fucking Religious Right!

That is so messed up.

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jaunte  Feb 12, 2018 • 7:56:50pm

re: #376 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s a great detective story.
I’ve got a few photos of my grandfather (in the tent) from 1917, but no uniform.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 12, 2018 • 8:00:51pm

re: #380 jaunte

That’s a great detective story.
I’ve got a few photos of my grandfather (in the tent) from 1917, but no uniform.

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I have a photo of my one grandfather from WWII (not sure what the date is).

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Decatur Deb  Feb 12, 2018 • 8:10:33pm

re: #381 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I have a photo of my one grandfather from WWII (not sure what the date is).

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Working on a B26 in the background.

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teleskiguy  Feb 12, 2018 • 8:12:37pm

OK, it’s time to shovel some snow.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 12, 2018 • 8:14:08pm

I love the old photos guys. I recently stumbled on some of my Mom every year from kindergarten through 10th grade.

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ckkatz  Feb 12, 2018 • 8:14:47pm

Reading the comments in this thread, I am reminded of a famous quote from St Augustine:

“Hope has two beautiful daughters; their names are Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to see that they do not remain as they are.”

― Augustine of Hippo

Thankyou! For this is proof of Hope!

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 12, 2018 • 8:40:38pm

A pessimist is just an optimist with experience.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 12, 2018 • 9:06:08pm

re: #358 Belafon

Is that recent?

He wasn’t saying GOP pickups were likely in seven states, only that it was within the realm of possibility.

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sagehen  Feb 12, 2018 • 9:10:23pm

re: #387 Big Beautiful Door

He wasn’t saying GOP pickups were likely in seven states, only that it was within the realm of possibility.

That’s exactly what he said about Trump beating Clinton.

I am not reassured.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 12, 2018 • 9:47:29pm

re: #307 Kragar

Tonka Liebensraum could be replaced by a rotary dial phone.


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