White House Security Chaos Watch: Third Official Resigns

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Donald Trump is so bad at being president, and this simple fact means that the people he’s been hiring are also really bad at working in the government.

A senior official on the National Economic Council resigned on Tuesday after being informed that he would not receive a permanent security clearance, as the White House faces increasing scrutiny over the number of high-ranking officials allowed to work on interim clearances.

George David Banks, who had served since February 2017 as special assistant to the president for international energy and environmental policy, told POLITICO that he was informed by the White House counsel’s office Tuesday that his application for a permanent clearance would not be granted over his past marijuana use.

Of course, none of this would be happening if Rob Porter hadn’t gotten in trouble for (allegedly) beating his wife, and the shockingly lax approach of the Trump administration to security clearances came to light incidentally. Now we’re starting to find out how bad it really is.

This may be the one redeeming factor of having this malevolent toad in charge of the nation — he’s so incompetent at it.

UPDATE at 2/14/18 10:56:43 am by Charles Johnson

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141 comments

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 10:57:45am

Past marijuana use?

Quite a box they’ve put themselves in to.

LOL, sounds like Pence and Sessions get to make that call…

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2018 • 10:58:00am

Speaking of chaos…

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:00:12am

One scary thing is you just know for every exposed problem, many more remain. So how badly are we getting exploited by various slightly or highly hostile powers right this minute, undiscovered?

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makeitstop  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:02:30am

Well oiled machine, amirite?

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:05:03am

re: #3 Unshaken Defiance

This!!
We are crazy vulnerable in ways we don’t even know. And the stuff we do know is already hard enough to wrap our heads around. Yesterday we were reminded by every person who would know, in a formal hearing, that oh yeah they are going to attack our midterms and oh no the President doesn’t give a damn. Crazy, crazy, crazy.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:05:05am

re: #2 Kragar

Speaking of chaos…

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Sing Stormy, sing.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:06:45am

Donald Trump is so bad at being president, and this simple fact means that the people he’s been hiring are also really bad at working in the government.

when christie says it:

Former Gov. Chris Christie (R) trashed the White House staff in a discussion at the University of Virginia.

Said Christie: “You need people around you who know how to play the inside game. And I think he’s been ill-served by a number of the people around him.”

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:07:13am

re: #2 Kragar

Speaking of chaos…

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I’m…not really sure I wanna hear about the sexual exploits of Donald Trump.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:07:56am

I’m just surprised that anyone remotely cool would work for Trump. Maybe we’ll hear that he regularly bogarted the joint, or he was smoking stuff he confiscated from someone else.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:09:16am

re: #8 Targetpractice

I’m…not really sure I wanna hear about the sexual exploits of Donald Trump.

Don’t like short stories?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:09:50am

Elizabeth Warren Finally Addresses Native-American Heritage, Rips Trump for ‘Pocahontas’ Jabs

“My mother’s family was part Native American. And my daddy’s parents were bitterly opposed to their relationship. So, in 1932, when Mother was 19 and daddy had just turned 20, they eloped,” Warren explained of her Cherokee heritage in the speech, as first reported by The Boston Globe.

Wouldn’t an inexpensive genetic test provide the proof needed to shut down the nuts?

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:09:57am

re: #1 bill d. (b.d.)

Past marijuana use?

Quite a box they’ve put themselves in to.

LOL, sounds like Pence and Sessions get to make that call…

reporters should start asking everyone “have you ever smoked….”

let em lie to the cameras

you can only deny it if its true
you can try “im not gonna get into that” - sorry that’s an admission

because virtually anyone who did smoke in his/her past did not do it alone
there’s witnesses out there - stoned at the time maybe…nevertheless

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:10:31am

re: #8 Targetpractice

I’m…not really sure I wanna hear about the sexual exploits of Donald Trump.

No, but I do want to hear how long it went on and her side of how she was paid off. The first part because I want to watch Melania’s reaction. The second because it could get Cohn in trouble.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:10:35am

re: #1 bill d. (b.d.)

Past marijuana use?

Quite a box they’ve put themselves in to.

LOL, sounds like Pence and Sessions get to make that call…

I do have to say, if it was just misdemeanor possession abd not a felony I think that’s not a good reason to deny someone clearance. Doesn’t change the fact that he shouldn’t have been working for months without clearance.

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ericblair  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:10:43am

re: #9 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I’m just surprised that anyone remotely cool would work for Trump. Maybe we’ll hear that he regularly bogarted the joint, or he was smoking stuff he confiscated from someone else.

They usually don’t care about past casual marijuana use if you don’t lie about it. So either it was a lot, he’s still using, and/or (my guess) he lied his ass off about it in a security clearance application.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:11:07am

re: #11 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Elizabeth Warren Finally Addresses Native-American Heritage, Rips Trump for ‘Pocahontas’ Jabs

Wouldn’t an inexpensive genetic test provide the proof needed to shut down the nuts?

Barack Obama.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:11:22am

re: #12 dangerman

reporters should start asking everyone “have you ever smoked….”

let em lie to the cameras

you can only deny it if its true
you can try “im not gonna get into that” - sorry that’s an admission

because virtually anyone who did smoke in his/her past did not do it alone
there’s witnesses out there - stoned at the time maybe…nevertheless

Being stoned would be a good excuse for taking a job in the Trump administration.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:11:29am

re: #15 ericblair

They usually don’t care about past casual marijuana use if you don’t lie about it. So either it was a lot, he’s still using, and/or (my guess) he lied his ass off about it in a security clearance application.

Or things have changed with Sessions as AG.

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Alephnaught  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:11:43am

re: #10 bill d. (b.d.)

I’m…not really sure I wanna hear about the sexual exploits of Donald Trump.

Don’t like short stories?

There are not enough updings for that.

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:11:55am

Are those agents on the lawn looking for moles? I’d suggest they look in the oval office.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:12:22am

re: #10 bill d. (b.d.)

Don’t like short stories?

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:12:37am

re: #15 ericblair

They usually don’t care about past casual marijuana use if you don’t lie about it. So either it was a lot, he’s still using, and/or (my guess) he lied his ass off about it in a security clearance application.

Yep, lying about anything to get a security clearance isn’t proper form…

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:13:01am

re: #13 Belafon

No, but I do want to hear how long it went on and her side of how she was paid off. The first part because I want to watch Melania’s reaction. The second because it could get Cohn in trouble.

i want to know if the NDA is with trump or cohen

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:13:18am

re: #8 Targetpractice

I’m…not really sure I wanna hear about the sexual exploits of Donald Trump.

oh, i think you’re sure

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:14:02am

re: #14 Big Beautiful Door

I do have to say, if it was just misdemeanor possession abd not a felony I think that’s not a good reason to deny someone clearance. Doesn’t change the fact that he shouldn’t have been working for months without clearance.

afaik, no arrest, - he admitted it

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:15:27am

re: #17 bill d. (b.d.)

Being stoned would be a good excuse for taking a job in the Trump administration.

and for the performance coming out of there

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:16:17am

re: #23 dangerman

i want to know if the NDA is with trump or cohen

Trump supposedly knew nothing about it, so the agreenent is with Cohen. Since he violated the NDA, Storny is free to sing like a bird, subject to Trump’s usual empty threats to sue her for libel.

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:16:17am

Things are getting more incestuous by the day.

“…If Trump doesn’t name anyone to succeed Brand, the next in line in the Justice order of succession is Solicitor General Noel Francisco. That is concerning. Before he joined Justice, Francisco was a law partner of Donald F. McGahn II, now the White House counsel. Their firm, Jones Day, represented the Trump campaign (though we are not aware of Francisco personally having done any of the work). Jones Day still works for the campaign; it.was paid more than $800,000 in the last quarter of 2017 to deal with, among other things, the Mueller investigation.”
usatoday.com

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:16:40am

re: #11 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Elizabeth Warren Finally Addresses Native-American Heritage, Rips Trump for ‘Pocahontas’ Jabs

Wouldn’t an inexpensive genetic test provide the proof needed to shut down the nuts?

You’re talking people that, to this day, believe that Bill Clinton has a secret biracial son despite a DNA test. Why? They insist the test was flawed and inaccurate, and want a new one conducted because “He looks just like him!”

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:19:43am

re: #27 Big Beautiful Door

Trump supposedly knew nothing about it, so the agreenent is with Cohen. Since he violated the NDA, Storny is free to sing like a bird, subject to Trump’s usual empty threats to sue her for libel.

what im hearing is if thats the case then trump himself cant hide behind “i cant talk about it”.

it still strikes me as weird that someone can pay you to not talk about somebody else

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:20:50am

re: #29 Targetpractice

You’re talking people that, to this day, believe that Bill Clinton has a secret biracial son despite a DNA test. Why? They insist the test was flawed and inaccurate, and want a new one conducted because “He looks just like him!”

Ok it wouldn’t shut down the nuts, but it would show observers that those people are nuts, and the test could be posted in reply every time some wackjob called her Pocahontas.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:21:07am

re: #27 Big Beautiful Door

Are you basing the latter on the former here?

“Trump supposedly knew nothing about it, so the agreement is with Cohen .”

Or has something else been confirmed?

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:21:07am

re: #11 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Elizabeth Warren Finally Addresses Native-American Heritage, Rips Trump for ‘Pocahontas’ Jabs

Wouldn’t an inexpensive genetic test provide the proof needed to shut down the nuts?

We might find out that Trump was actually Austrian.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:21:52am

There are so many Trump scandals thet just run over each other. The Porter scandal is sucking up all the oxygen, so no-one is talking about Trump’s latest violation of the emoluments clause, when he used a meeting with the PM of Georgia to promote a Trump Tower deal in that country.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:22:36am

re: #23 dangerman

i want to know if the NDA is with trump or cohen

I’d say it was with the guy who paid her.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:23:12am

re: #11 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Elizabeth Warren Finally Addresses Native-American Heritage, Rips Trump for ‘Pocahontas’ Jabs

Wouldn’t an inexpensive genetic test provide the proof needed to shut down the nuts?

The rwnj’s would call the results fake and keep on bloviating about it. See birthers.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:24:07am

re: #32 JordanRules

Are you basing the latter on the former here?

“Trump supposedly knew nothing about it, so the agreement is with Cohen .”

Or has something else been confirmed?

I don’t think journalists have seen the actual document on the record.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:27:16am

re: #35 bill d. (b.d.)

I’d say it was with the guy who paid her.

yeah im lost in this
if trumps not a party to it where is his legal protection?

couldnt he be forced to talk about it even if she maybe cant?

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:28:13am

re: #37 Big Beautiful Door

The whole thing is par for the course weird.

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:28:19am
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makeitstop  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:30:43am

re: #32 JordanRules

Are you basing the latter on the former here?

“Trump supposedly knew nothing about it, so the agreement is with Cohen .”

Or has something else been confirmed?

Cohen said as much yesterday. Nobody in the Trump campaign knew a thing, which would presumably include Trump.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:31:37am

re: #41 makeitstop

Oh I know. I just don’t believe that, for obvious reasons.

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makeitstop  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:33:55am

re: #42 JordanRules

Oh I know. I just don’t believe that, for obvious reasons.

Yeah, I don’t buy it, either.

Man, is today’s presser gonna be a hot mess or what?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:35:08am
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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:35:09am

This “Infrastructure Week” seems to be going as well for the WH as the last two.

//

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:36:05am

re: #44 FormerDirtDart

Lies. All he does is lie.

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danarchy  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:36:49am

re: #31 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Ok it wouldn’t shut down the nuts, but it would show observers that those people are nuts, and the test could be posted in reply every time some wackjob called her Pocahontas.

This also runs the risk of showing that the family lore was wrong. Genealogists who have looked into it haven’t found a smoking gun, they found one document that shows her great-great-great-great grandmother may have been Cherokee making her 1/64th Cherokee, but even that is tenuous, so why get the DNA test and potentially give her opponents something else with which to attack her.

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:37:07am
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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:38:10am

re: #43 makeitstop

Yes indeed. SHS was flailing badly yesterday too. Today could be an assault by podium day ala McCarthy as Spicer.

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:39:46am

“…The gifts made on behalf of Edwards by his campaign contributors to keep this potential scandal quiet were intended to help him stay in the 2008 presidential race as a viable candidate. They would not have been made if not for Edwards’s status as a federal candidate, and they were linked to a federal election. They should be considered illegal campaign contributions under federal law and applicable FEC regulations and advisory opinions. A jury may end up disagreeing that Edwards knew that what he was doing was illegal, but if the government’s facts are correct, then John Edwards should be held accountable for violating federal law.”

— Hans A. von Spakovsky is a senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation.

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petesh  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:40:37am

re: #36 Bubblehead II

The rwnj’s would call the results fake and keep on bloviating about it. See birthers.

Of course, and ancestry tests are of limited reliability so it would be easy to concoct a conspiracy theory. IIRC quite a large number of Native Americans actually refuse such tests, though some tribes require them. All together now: It’s complicated.

More to the point, who cares? Warren never, ever received any benefit whatsoever from her self-reported partial ancestry. Don’t give them any justification to ask for “proof” because they just don’t deserve it.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:42:31am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:42:32am

re: #47 danarchy

This also runs the risk of showing that the family lore was wrong. Genealogists who have looked into it haven’t found a smoking gun, they found one document that shows her great-great-great-great grandmother may have been Cherokee making her 1/64th Cherokee, but even that is tenuous, so why get the DNA test and potentially give her opponents something else with which to attack her.

She claims her own mother was native American and faced bigotry. No one would know about the test unless she released the results.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:42:58am
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jaunte  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:43:48am
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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:44:48am

re: #48 jaunte

Didn’t the defense win in this case or am I misremembering?

I still see the wide-eyed hypocrisy as always though.

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mmmirele  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:45:46am

A Washington Post health care reporter is flailed (justifiably) on Twitter today.

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makeitstop  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:46:08am

re: #52 Charles Johnson

Trump’s full remark seems to suggest some irritation that he was forced to condemn domestic violence out loud.

Just like when he was dragged kicking and screaming into disavowing Nazis.

I’m surprised he didn’t bring back the ‘very fine people’ line for an encore.

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sagehen  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:46:29am

re: #47 danarchy

This also runs the risk of showing that the family lore was wrong. Genealogists who have looked into it haven’t found a smoking gun, they found one document that shows her great-great-great-great grandmother may have been Cherokee making her 1/64th Cherokee, but even that is tenuous, so why get the DNA test and potentially give her opponents something else with which to attack her.

I’ve deliberately avoided doing genealogy research because I’m afraid some of the “family lore” might be grandpa’s bullshit and/or jokes. I like the stories he told, I do not want to chance finding contradictory evidence.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:46:33am
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jaunte  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:47:14am

re: #56 JordanRules

” The formal dismissal of charges was filed in federal court in Greensboro, N.C., on Wednesday. The decision came less than two weeks after Edwards’s trial on the campaign finance-related charges ended when a jury deadlocked on five felony counts and voted to acquit him on one charge.”
politico.com

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:49:01am

re: #57 mmmirele

A Washington Post health care reporter is flailed (justifiably) on Twitter today.

Because no one has any effect on anyone else. //

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:49:22am

re: #48 jaunte

Wow, a very strong argument from The Heritage Foundation that payments to mistresses of politicians are illegal

today’s white house,. with a straight face: “ms. daniels wasnt a ‘mistress’”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:49:43am

re: #57 mmmirele

A Washington Post health care reporter is flailed (justifiably) on Twitter today.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:50:12am

re: #59 sagehen

I’ve deliberately avoided doing genealogy research because I’m afraid some of the “family lore” might be grandpa’s bullshit and/or jokes. I like the stories he told, I do not want to chance finding contradictory evidence.

I like the movie Big Fish. Someday, I need to read the book.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:50:35am

re: #63 dangerman

today’s white house,. with a straight face: “ms. daniels wasnt a ‘mistress’”

“Yeah, the President is ready to propose.”

Edited.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:50:48am

re: #63 dangerman

today’s white house,. with a straight face: “ms. daniels wasnt a ‘mistress’”

She was just one of the people that Trump cheated on his wife with.

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Sea Mexican!  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:50:49am

re: #11 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Elizabeth Warren Finally Addresses Native-American Heritage, Rips Trump for ‘Pocahontas’ Jabs

Wouldn’t an inexpensive genetic test provide the proof needed to shut down the nuts?

That’s what they said …

… with Obama’s short form birth certificate.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:52:40am

re: #52 Charles Johnson

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Just like the first “Infrastructure Week,” Trump gets angry when forced to say something that he doesn’t want to. Be prepared to suffer whiplash when he goes back to defending Porter.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:52:56am

re: #57 mmmirele

A Washington Post health care reporter is flailed (justifiably) on Twitter today.

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:53:38am
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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:54:28am

re: #57 mmmirele

Lots of really great replies even before I got to this one. Ouch.

A damn shame.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:54:30am
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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:54:33am

re: #57 mmmirele

A Washington Post health care reporter is flailed (justifiably) on Twitter today.

I actually think it’s super weird how people are blaming their diminished sense of well-being on the Trump administration. Personal events determine my quality of life; not who’s in the WH

tell that to a deported dreamer
or anyone whose job or department would be axed under mulvaney’s ludicrous budget
or those on snap
or someone addicted to opiods
or or or

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makeitstop  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:55:36am

re: #57 mmmirele

A Washington Post health care reporter is flailed (justifiably) on Twitter today.

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Best response so far:

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:57:05am

re: #71 Kragar

“You have to treat ‘em like shit.

its not domestic violence if you’re not married to ‘em

#grabembythepussy

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:58:14am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 11:59:35am
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jaunte  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:00:36pm
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IngisKahn  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:01:02pm

Genetics is not particularly intuitive. So if you inherit A from one parent B from another, you don’t get a 50/50 split. You could only get 5% A. It’s really impossible to tell exact racial identity (if there were such a thing).

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:04:07pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:06:46pm

If one party breaches the terms of an NDA, then it is invalidated. Trump is not used to agreements that work both ways.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:08:18pm

re: #81 The Vicious Babushka

I just got a BBC alert on that - as per BBC, reports of “multiple casualties”.

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:09:24pm
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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:12:30pm

re: #81 The Vicious Babushka

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parkland is my backyard

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:12:35pm

At the end of last year / beginning of this year, it was demonstrated that Libertarian funny-money can gouge you as badly as a bank does, when transactions clogged the network and the fees went through the roof. It still costs a couple of bucks for a transaction that would be free at a bank.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:12:57pm

re: #85 dangerman

parkland is my backyard

Duck.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:13:29pm

re: #2 Kragar

Speaking of chaos…

A manager for @StormyDaniels tells AP she “believes Trump’s lawyer invalidated a non-disclosure agreement by publicly discussing the payment” and thus she is now free to discuss alleged 2006 affair.

There is honest to god not enough popcorn in the world for this shitshow.

As to security clearances, if Dems are not playing “Republicans are not keeping our country safe and openly compromising national security” over and over on repeat every hour of every day, they are not doing it right.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:14:38pm

re: #82 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If one party breaches the terms of an NDA, then it is invalidated. TRump is not used to agreements that work both ways.

the impression im getting is trump is not a party to this nda
what with all the denials and now cohen’s statement that he did this entirely on his own

its between daniels and the cohen

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:14:46pm

re: #86 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

At the end of last year / beginning of this year, it was demonstrated that Libertarian funny-money can gouge you as badly as a bank does, when transactions clogged the network and the fees went through the roof. It still costs a couple of bucks for a transaction that would be free at a bank.

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Banks deal in currencies that are backed by goverments. Bitcoins are electronic fiction.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:15:04pm

Interesting Read on the ongoing Kelly fiasco

Money quote:

One White House adviser tells Sherman that Trump would prefer to see Mick Mulvaney take over the job, although the director of the Office of Management and Budget so far has shown no indication that he would agree to do so.

“Mulvaney doesn’t want it — his goal is run for governor or land a corporate gig,” the adviser says. “And his thinking is, if you’re Trump’s chief of staff, you stain yourself for the future.”

So Mulvaney thinks he is NOT tarnishing himself by doing the shit he’s been doing? HA!…HA I say!

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makeitstop  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:15:24pm

Presser got bumped from 3:00 to 4:00.

They have many stories to get their lies straight on today.

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petesh  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:15:27pm

re: #77 JordanRules

Thank you for alerting me to this image, which I have shamelessly stolen and am using to announce my intention to take Monday off. Us freelancers have a really tough life, so we take our occasional smooth with the rough.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:15:39pm

re: #87 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Duck.

well a few miles as the duck flies, anyway

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:16:59pm

re: #89 dangerman

the impression im getting is trump is not a party to this nda
what with all the denials and now cohen’s statement that he did this entirely on his own

its between daniels and the cohen

The NDA between Cohen and Daniels was designed to keep her interaction with Trump private. It was done to protect Trump. He’s a party to this whole thing even if it doesn’t involve his money.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:17:27pm

Regarding the shooting incident in Florida,

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petesh  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:18:29pm

re: #95 Belafon

The NDA between Cohen and Daniels was designed to keep her interaction with Trump private. It was done to protect Trump. He’s a party to this whole thing even if it doesn’t involve his money.

Yes, and in my view (and at least some lawyers agree) Cohen violated election laws even if he was not reimbursed, by making an unreported expenditure intended to benefit the campaign.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:19:59pm

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Banks deal in currencies that are backed by goverments. Bitcoins are electronic fiction.

Currencies are also fiction. Backing by a stable government is all that makes them usable. Return to the gold standard!!1!!
/Ron Paul

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:20:31pm

fudge

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:20:50pm

re: #82 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If one party breaches the terms of an NDA, then it is invalidated. TRump is not used to agreements that work both ways.

My question is, if it is pursuant to a criminal act (such as prostitution presumably is), is a nondisclosure agreement in any way legal or enforceable?

I mean:

District Attorney: The cops got you red-handed, Bruno. You wanna help yourself out a little, tell us who else was in on this.

Bank Robber: I can’t. I mean, I’d like to, but we signed a NDA.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:21:52pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:21:52pm

re: #97 petesh

Yes, and in my view (and at least some lawyers agree) Cohen violated election laws even if he was not reimbursed, by making an unreported expenditure intended to benefit the campaign.

I would think most lawyers would agree. The payoff was well above the $2,700 individual donation limit.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:22:12pm

re: #93 petesh

Treat yourself petesh and enjoy not celebrating 45!

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:22:24pm

re: #95 Belafon

The NDA between Cohen and Daniels was designed to keep her interaction with Trump private. It was done to protect Trump. He’s a party to this whole thing even if it doesn’t involve his money.

im not trying to be pedantic and i know we’re just speculating here

by buying her silence, agree 100% - The NDA between Cohen and Daniels was designed to keep her interaction with Trump private.

agree 100% - It was done to protect Trump.

this part:
He’s a party to this whole thing even if it doesn’t involve his money

if he’s an actual party to the nda, then they are all just lying - and im fine with that
if he’s not an actual party to the nda then its still hazy - many scenarios of which i have dotted the last two threads with

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:23:11pm

re: #100 whitebeach

Prostitution?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:25:09pm

re: #105 JordanRules

Prostitution?

Hard to prove, assuming he never handed her cash for sex, and just rewarded her in other ways.

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:25:10pm

re: #105 JordanRules

Prostitution?

What? You’re saying she did it for pisses and giggles?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:25:49pm

re: #107 whitebeach

What? You’re saying she did it for pisses and giggles?

For other rewards, like regular dating, but with a wealthy date.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:26:12pm

re: #108 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Exactly.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:27:37pm

re: #86 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

At the end of last year / beginning of this year, it was demonstrated that Libertarian funny-money can gouge you as badly as a bank does, when transactions clogged the network and the fees went through the roof. It still costs a couple of bucks for a transaction that would be free at a bank.

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The best thing about Bitcoin is that it can be used as a perfect demonstration of why going back to “gold standard” for our currency is a bad idea.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:28:09pm

The GOP will offer more Tots and Pears.

I swear by the Flying Spaghetti Monster that even Pat Paulsen would have been a more competent President…

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:28:15pm
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MsJ  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:28:40pm

re: #53 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

She claims her own mother was native American and faced bigotry. No one would know about the test unless she released the results.

And it would turn into “Was it the LONG FORM test? HUH? HUH??” There is literally nothing she could say or do that would dissuade the wingers.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:29:22pm

re: #110 Ace-o-aces

The best thing about Bitcoin is that it can be used as a perfect demonstration of why going back to “gold standard” for our currency is a bad idea.

We should switch to a spider-based currency. It creates a vibrant economy because no one wants a large stash of spiders, which keeps the spiders circulating.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:29:29pm

re: #111 Joe Bacon 🌹

re: #112 Kragar

Yep

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:29:31pm

re: #11 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Wouldn’t an inexpensive genetic test provide the proof needed to shut down the nuts?

Nothing ever shuts down the nuts.

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:29:34pm

re: #108 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

For other rewards, like regular dating, but with a wealthy date.

Could be, I suppose. And I could win the half-pipe at the next Winter Olympics. But if Stormy starts to talk, she might drop this one out of the bag herself. We shall see, I hope.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:29:46pm

re: #97 petesh

Yes, and in my view (and at least some lawyers agree) Cohen violated election laws even if he was not reimbursed, by making an unreported expenditure intended to benefit the campaign.

i think they could be nailed on the election law aspect many different ways - so there will be fines

im more interested in the non disclosure aspects
if trump isnt a party to the agreement, he cant hide behind it

and i’d guess, if she thinks its void and starts talking, even if it wasnt a breach before, it is then and everyone knows it. he still couldnt hide behind it then

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:30:00pm

re: #107 whitebeach

What? You’re saying she did it for pisses and giggles?

Maybe she is attracted to men with small hands?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:30:30pm

re: #115 Dr Lizardo

Yep

“Our thoughts and prayers are with those affected.” http://

Yeah. That’ll fucking help. Loads.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:30:59pm

re: #101 FormerDirtDart

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:31:10pm

re: #117 whitebeach

Could be, I suppose. And I could win the half-pipe at the next Winter Olympics. But if Stormy starts to talk, she might drop this one out of the bag herself. We shall see, I hope.

I hope so too, but won’t hold my breath. We don’t lock women up for accepting nice presents from their dates.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:31:30pm

re: #118 dangerman

i think they could be nailed on the election law aspect many different ways - so there will be fines

im more interested in the non disclosure aspects
if trump isnt a party to the agreement, he cant hide behind it

and i’d guess, if she thinks its void and starts talking, even if it wasnt a breach before, it is then and everyone knows it. he still couldnt hide behind it then

What I’d really like to see is Ms. Daniels break the Trump NDA and get sued for that by Trump & co. in such a way as to reveal the Trump NDAs are bluffs.

Cause we all know there is an ocean of shit out there covered up by Trump NDAs.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:32:38pm
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:33:02pm
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Kragar  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:33:49pm
127
FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:33:50pm

Lone wolf/troubled young man

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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:34:11pm

re: #112 Kragar

LATEST: Pres. Trump has been made aware of the school shooting in Florida, White House says. “Our thoughts and prayers are with those affected.” abcnews.go.com
— ABC News (@ABC) February 14, 2018

This is just as helpful as “thoughts and prayers”:

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:35:14pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:35:38pm

re: #123 EPR-radar

What I’d really like to see is Ms. Daniels break the Trump NDA and get sued for that by Trump & co. in such a way as to reveal the Trump NDAs are bluffs.

Cause we all know there is an ocean of shit out there covered up by Trump NDAs.

yeah id like to see that too

well until we know more, it appears she could only be sued by cohen
if trump tried, it ties him to it and that uncovers the lie

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Amory Blaine  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:36:28pm

re: #57 mmmirele

A Washington Post health care reporter is flailed (justifiably) on Twitter today.

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Here’s another gem.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:38:01pm

re: #127 FormerDirtDart

Lone wolf/troubled young man

Police issue a “Be on the Lookout” for white male wearing burgundy shirt, last seen leaving shooting scene at Stoneman Douglas High Schoo

some of the students seem to know who it was / a “former” student

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:39:27pm
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Amory Blaine  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:40:27pm
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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:42:16pm

re: #122 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I hope so too, but won’t hold my breath. We don’t lock women up for accepting nice presents from their dates.

Actually, “we,” or at least those who get some of our tax money as salaries, lock up women all the time in most jurisdictions for accepting “nice presents” of $20 or $50 or $100 for a “date” in a car seat or a hot crib joint. Probably there’s some kind of threshhold above which this doesn’t happen. I’d imagine $130,000 is over that limit.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:42:19pm

FYI. The namesake of the school where the shooting took place, Marjory Stoneman Douglas, is a feminist and environmentalist. If there was a Left-wing equivalent of Alex Jones, conspiracy theories would be running amok.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:42:25pm

re: #128 Dr. Matt

This is just as helpful as “thoughts and prayers”:

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At least you can feed people with those.

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wrenchwench  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:44:27pm

re: #133 jaunte

[A full list of all 18 school shootings in the first 43 days of 2018.]

Man, time flies. The school shooting in NM was last year, 3 months ago.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:45:06pm

My Walmart “2-day free shipping” shopping has arrived, from Fort Worth, TX.
That’s a bizarre business model.

According to the FedEx tracking data, the large box weighs 1 lbs
while containing ~35 lbs of pet food & treats. And, a lot of air.

A lot of packing material. Though, it does claim to be made mostly from recycled material.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:45:17pm

re: #135 whitebeach

Actually, “we,” or at least those who get some of our tax money as salaries, lock up women all the time in most jurisdictions for accepting “nice presents” of $20 or $50 or $100 for a “date” in a car seat or a hot crib joint. Probably there’s some kind of threshhold above which this doesn’t happen. I’d imagine $130,000 is over that limit.

That’s cash, not presents. Giving a woman something nice to encourage her to sleep with you is not illegal. It happens all the time.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:45:23pm

re: #11 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Elizabeth Warren Finally Addresses Native-American Heritage, Rips Trump for ‘Pocahontas’ Jabs

Wouldn’t an inexpensive genetic test provide the proof needed to shut down the nuts?

I’m sure someone else has responded but I’ve heard that Native American communities are understandably very under-represented in those company databases.


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