Breaking: Yet Another Mass Shooting, in Florida This Time

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Here we go again. Another horrific mass shooting, and another opportunity for Donald Trump and the GOP to blather meaninglessly about “thoughts and prayers” while doing absolutely nothing to address the senseless proliferation of gun violence in the Trump era.

CORAL SPRINGS, Fla. — Authorities are responding to reports of a shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida.

The Broward Sheriff’s Office said there are reports of victims. Margate Fire Department told CBS Miami there are between 20 and 50 victims. The extent of the injuries was unclear.

They’re already starting with the empty gestures.

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433 comments

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:44:27pm

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:44:37pm
They’re already starting with the empty gestures.

Thoughts and prayers. Time to mourn. Don’t want to politicize the situation and other peoples’ grief…

Oh, another shooting, start the cycle over again.

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Flavia  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:45:20pm

This kid is live-tweeting it:
(I have told him to STAY DOWN)

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:46:53pm

re: #3 Flavia

This kid is live-tweeting it:
(I have told him to STAY DOWN)

some are live tweeting to wfor news and they’re reading them on camera

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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:48:27pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:48:52pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Considering that the gun nuts hallucinated that Obama was a tyrant, and support an actual would-be autocrat, guns were never going to be used to end tyranny.

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:49:23pm
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:49:27pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:50:57pm

We can never fix a problem that continues to go unacknowledged by the people with the power to do something about it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:52:04pm

We politicize guns, not shootings.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:52:24pm
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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:53:02pm

and the news “the latest school shooting”

like “the latest trump scandal”

its normalized

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:53:26pm

re: #8 Ace-o-aces

No one is talking about what’s important to the NRA. Is the gun OK?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:54:06pm

Seriously doubt the author is named Donald

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Amory Blaine  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:54:52pm

Liberal tears are worth more than the blood of american children.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:55:00pm

re: #14 FormerDirtDart

Seriously doubt the author is named Donald

No child, teacher or anyone else should ever feel unsafe in an American school.

would then be best to keep the guns out of the school buildings

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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:55:13pm

Live streaming coverage here —> cbsnews.com

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:55:37pm

I’m old enough to remember when such a thought was tantamount to a treasonable offense.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:55:38pm

some chatter that a suspect is in custody and is being transported

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:55:41pm

re: #14 FormerDirtDart

Seriously doubt the author is named Donald

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Yeah, some staffer or intern wrote that.

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:55:51pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:56:04pm

EDIT: Just saw post above mine.

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Kragar  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:57:07pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart

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Stanley Sea  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:57:32pm

Just got home & turned on CNN - they interviewed an older guy outside of the school who I swear just said, …..not to be political, but you need to show the faces of the students at this school…..

Maybe my imagination is going off.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:57:38pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart

Somewhere, Grover Norquist is apoplectic.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:57:48pm

Well, we now know for certain why the press briefing was bumped from 3 PM to 4 PM

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:57:52pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart

I’m old enough to remember when such a thought was tantamount to a treasonable offense.

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“Remember that tax cut I just gave you plebes? Yeah, I’m gonna need it back.”

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:57:54pm
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TedStriker  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:58:24pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

“Remember that tax cut I just gave you plebes? Yeah, I’m gonna need it back.”

“And then some.”

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:58:57pm

re: #26 FormerDirtDart

Well, we now know for certain why the press briefing was bumped from 3 PM to 4 PM

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Infrastructure week is going swimmingly I see.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:59:03pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:59:05pm

re: #26 FormerDirtDart

Well, we now know for certain why the press briefing was bumped from 3 PM to 4 PM

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It’s sad that I actually found myself thinking not but 5 minutes ago that the WH must be breathing a sigh of relief because now they’ve got something to dominate the news cycle for the rest of the day.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 12:59:41pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

“Remember that tax cut I just gave you plebes? Yeah, I’m gonna need it back.”

wait till the rnc tells him they were hoping people would donate that money - reported yesterday or 2 days ago

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:00:49pm

President of South Africa resigns

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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:00:54pm

re: #17 Dr. Matt

Live streaming coverage here —> cbsnews.com

Live on TV, someone is in custody: White male wearing a redshirt.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:00:55pm

cbs is showing a live arrest on tv right now

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:02:13pm

re: #35 Dr. Matt

Live on TV, someone is in custody: White male wearing a redshirt.

yeah im watching the same feed from the local affiliate

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:02:36pm

re: #34 FormerDirtDart

President of South Africa resigns

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Huh. He very recently talked about how “unfair” people were to him. Sound familiar?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:02:40pm
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:02:59pm

I drive by two gun stores on the way home. One is doubling in size—it’s in the middle of construction. Nothing will ever change.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:03:48pm

re: #32 Targetpractice

It’s sad that I actually found myself thinking not but 5 minutes ago that the WH must be breathing a sigh of relief because now they’ve got something to dominate the news cycle for the rest of the day.

Same. How fucked up is America these days?

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:04:38pm

Another goddamned mass shooting in/near a school. We are the only nation on the planet where this happens with any kind of regularity.

USA!

Fuck the NRA and fuck the GOP for going along with this suicide pact to read “a well regulated militia” out of the Second Amendment.

The NRA/GOP refuse to lift a finger to stop the carnage, and GOP/Trump don’t care to act unless there’s a minority, illegal alien, or a Muslim terrorist involved.

Note the silence from Trump whenever there’s a mass shooting that doesn’t involve any of the above, and then note how quickly he moves to respond when one of those are involved.

It’s like fucking clockwork. That’s how predictable Trump is.

The only thing more predictable than Trump is the fact that we have mass shootings like clockwork.

The GOP offers up thoughts and prayers. That’s meaningless. Act. They’re in a position to act. Their thoughts and prayers are a sign they don’t care and wont act.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:06:45pm

re: #35 Dr. Matt

Live on TV, someone is in custody: White male wearing a redshirt.

Parkland suspect in custody
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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:08:21pm
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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:09:00pm

re: #42 lawhawk

Another goddamned mass shooting in/near a school. We are the only nation on the planet where this happens with any kind of regularity.

18 in first 43 days of 2018 - posted last thread

18/43 = gah!

how can we allow this to be normalized?

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:09:48pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart

I’m old enough to remember when such a thought was tantamount to a treasonable offense.

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NEW YORK CITY VALUES!! WHAT DOES HE CARE? HE DOESN’T EVER HAVE TO DRIVE!! NOBODY DRIVES IN THAT COMMIE ENCLAVE

(Archer voice)You can just say New York(/Archer voice)

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:10:55pm

re: #45 dangerman

18 in first 43 days of 2018 - posted last thread

18/43 = gah!

how can we allow this to be normalized?

That’s damn near one every other day.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:11:25pm

re: #47 Dr Lizardo

That’s damn near one every other day.

fucking depressing

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:12:14pm

re: #45 dangerman

18 in first 43 days of 2018 - posted last thread

18/43 = gah!

how can we allow this to be normalized?

.418 shootings a day means this is normal. It’s normal for me to buy groceries, but I only do that 1 in 7-14 days.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:12:55pm

re: #48 dangerman

fucking depressing

Don’t get depressed, get mad. Just don’t get so mad you start shooting.

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:13:14pm

re: #44 lawhawk

Wikipedia has a per capita gun death numbers by state (as of 2013).

Lowest states:

Illinois 8.67
Iowa 8.19
California 7.89
Minnesota 7.88
New Hampshire 7.03
New Jersey 5.69
Rhode Island 5.33
Connecticut 4.48
New York 4.39
Massachusetts 3.18
Hawaii 2.71

Highest states:

Alaska 19.59
Louisiana 19.15
Alabama 17.79
Mississippi 17.55
Wyoming 17.51
Montana 16.94
Arkansas 16.93
Oklahoma 16.41
Tennessee 15.86
New Mexico 15.63

I notice a trend when it comes to voting tendencies in those states.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:14:32pm

re: #31 Dr. Matt

If I should ever be involved in any shooting as a victim, I’d want my surviving family and friends to POLITICIZE THE MOTHER FUCKING HELL OUT OF THE SITUATION.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:15:23pm

re: #51 KGxvi

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:15:29pm

re: #52 lawhawk

If I should ever be involved in any shooting as a victim, I’d want my surviving family and friends to POLITICIZE THE MOTHER FUCKING HELL OUT OF THE SITUATION.

I’d want that too, unfortunately, my family would be more inclined to politicize it in the “if only he had a gun to defend himself” way.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:17:07pm

re: #51 KGxvi

Also a trend: stronger laws in states with fewer incidents. Gee, how about that?

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:18:59pm

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

Ayep.

Giffords Center scores states, and those with the weakest gun laws have the highest gun deaths.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:19:29pm

re: #49 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

.418 shootings a day means this is normal. It’s normal for me to buy groceries, but I only do that 1 in 7-14 days.

news reporter just said “you dont expect to see this in a high school”

i realize they are rambling to fill airspace but wtf?

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:19:30pm

re: #55 Eclectic Cyborg

Also a trend: stronger laws in states with fewer incidents. Gee, how about that?

There’s also a big state/small state issue. Texas is 32 on the 2013 list at 10.5 (which is just under the national number), but it has several large metro areas. Ten people getting shot in California is going to move the per capita number less than 10 people in North Dakota.

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sagehen  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:21:58pm

re: #8 Ace-o-aces

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Reminder:

50 years ago (before the wingnut takeover) NRA was super-environmentalist… because deer hunters and duck hunters cared deeply about habitat preservation.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:22:07pm

re: #58 KGxvi

There’s also a big state/small state issue. Texas is 32 on the 2013 list at 10.5 (which is just under the national number), but it has several large metro areas. Ten people getting shot in California is going to move the per capita number less than 10 people in North Dakota.

Per capita is only way to normalize the comparisons.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:22:21pm

re: #57 dangerman

news reporter just said “you dont expect to see this in a high school”

i realize they are rambling to fill airspace but wtf?

I guess that reporter has never heard of the Columbine Massacre?

Well, gonna call it a day. What a depressing end to the evening. And as I concluded after not a single goddamn thing was done (aside from the usual “thoughts and prayers” platitudes) after Sandy Hook, well…..nothing is ever gonna get done, at least not in the immediate future.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:24:00pm

Trump’s Intelligence Agencies Directors try to send Trump an Urgent Message (KOS)

“Frankly, the United States is under attack,” Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats told the Senate Intelligence Committee, adding that Russia is attempting to “degrade our democratic values and weaken our alliances.”

In unequivocal language, Coats said Russian President Vladimir Putin was emboldened by Russia’s interference in the 2016 presidential elections and is targeting the midterms.

Unfortunately there’s no way of saying this that doesn’t at least imply that Russia got Trump elected to harm America. Even if Trump didn’t collude with the Russians, which he probably did, his ego would never allow him to understand that rather than having the best brain, that he’s a fool elected to strike at America.

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:26:13pm

re: #60 lawhawk

Per capita is only way to normalize the comparisons.

I get that, but I’m just saying, a single mass shooting in a smaller population state is going to move the needle for them a lot more than it would in a large state.

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sagehen  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:27:06pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart

I’m old enough to remember when such a thought was tantamount to a treasonable offense.

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When Donald supports an Actual Good Idea… it’s just a freakish coincidence.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:28:09pm

re: #64 sagehen

When Donald supports an Actual Good Idea… it’s just a freakish coincidence.

It just means that someone suggested it, and no one else had told him not to at that time.

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:29:01pm

re: #60 lawhawk

Per capita is only way to normalize the comparisons.

Exactly. But remember that most people in the guns-for-all states don’t accept statistics or any reality except their own prejudices. When I tell people in Shreveport or Baton Rouge that they’re much more likely to be killed by a gun than people in New York City, they simply refuse to believe it.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:29:58pm

re: #57 dangerman

news reporter just said “you dont expect to see this in a high school”

i realize they are rambling to fill airspace but wtf?

We shouldn’t expect to see it anywhere, for fuck’s sake. This should not be normal.

Warning, the video is disturbing, but not graphic. Some (understandably) NSFW language.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:30:13pm

re: #58 KGxvi

There’s also a big state/small state issue. Texas is 32 on the 2013 list at 10.5 (which is just under the national number), but it has several large metro areas. Ten people getting shot in California is going to move the per capita number less than 10 people in North Dakota.

At the same time, it’s easier to get to those numbers in denser states.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:30:17pm

re: #66 whitebeach

Exactly. But remember that most people in the guns-for-all states don’t accept statistics or any reality except their own prejudices. When I tell people in Shreveport or Baton Rouge that they’re much more likely to be killed by a gun than people in New York City, they simply refuse to believe it.

math is hard

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Archangelus  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:30:42pm

Never mind, removed (missed two others posting while I got distracted away from the keyboard)

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:30:42pm

re: #64 sagehen

When Donald supports an Actual Good Idea… it’s just a freakish coincidence.

Is it really a good idea?

On the whole, it probably is, but it’s a dead issue given that it would absolutely put the brakes on the economy as everyone now pays more out of pocket for travel, transit, and shipped goods.

Know what would have been better? Not do the massive tax scam for millionaires and devote a significant portion of the revenue to infrastructure. Or hike taxes on millionaires to fund infrastructure and debt relief.

Motor fuel taxes end up disproportionately hitting poor and working class hardest, because they’ve got the highest percentage of their income going to travel/transit as compared to other income groups.

Besides, the GOP doesn’t do tax hikes, unless they know it’ll hit Democrats hardest (as with the SALT move).

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:31:16pm

I’ve been busy signing up for Direct tv now and messing with my tablet which was all screwed up and wouldn’t let me download apps…so I missed this was going on.

I just want to say…goddamnit, when are we going to do something about guns in this country?

This happens in no other country. Why does this country that thinks it is all that not able to put a stop to this?

Fuck Trump. Fuck the NRA. Fuck Gun Nuts. Fuck Republicans.

Sorry, had to get that out…it’s been a frustrating afternoon.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:35:27pm

annnnnd now they’re starting the body count

how did we get to where half the country is unreachable about this?

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sagehen  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:36:12pm

re: #66 whitebeach

Exactly. But remember that most people in the guns-for-all states don’t accept statistics or any reality except their own prejudices. When I tell people in Shreveport or Baton Rouge that they’re much more likely to be killed by a gun than people in New York City, they simply refuse to believe it.

NYC has 8 million people. In 2017, there were fewer than 300 homicides (and not all of them were by guns).

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:36:24pm

re: #14 FormerDirtDart

Seriously doubt the author is named Donald

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It can’t be. He didn’t attack any Democrats.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:38:37pm

re: #73 dangerman

annnnnd now they’re starting the body count

how did we get to where half the country is unreachable about this?

Not half the country. There was > 80% support for expanded background checks.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:39:18pm

re: #74 sagehen

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gocart mozart  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:39:39pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:40:13pm

re: #76 Belafon

Not half the country. There was > 80% support for expanded background checks.

Less than 20% of Americans want the carnage to continue, but the vast majority of bought and paid for Republican politicians block any progress on this issue.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:41:16pm

re: #57 dangerman

news reporter just said “you dont expect to see this in a high school”

i realize they are rambling to fill airspace but wtf?

No one could have predicted….

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:43:54pm

re: #80 Sir John Barron

NRA determined to strike U.S.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:44:28pm

“you never want to see this happen”

and were not gonna do anything to stop the next one

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:44:36pm

re: #81 JordanRules

NRA determined to strike U.S.

NRA striking the US on a daily basis for decades. GOP refuses to act.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:45:57pm

re: #83 GlutenFreeJesus

NRA striking the US on a daily basis for decades. GOP refuses to act.

And risk losing their campaign donations??

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:47:13pm

re: #76 Belafon

Not half the country. There was > 80% support for expanded background checks.

bg checks are a start

discuss enacting any serious responsibility laws and that drop pretty quick

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:47:28pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:51:39pm

I’ve been calling the NRA Murder Inc. for years. They haven’t done anything to make me change my mind.

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:52:47pm

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:55:17pm

Welp.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:55:19pm

re: #86 FormerDirtDart

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The greatest revolution of the last 50 years was watching the NY Times get stupid and the NY Daily News get smart.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:55:30pm

re: #74 sagehen

NYC has 8 million people. In 2017, there were fewer than 300 homicides (and not all of them were by guns).

Columbus Ohio…850,000 population, 2.1 million metro area.

140 gun deaths in 2017.

It’s sad and it sucks.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:56:21pm

Miami Herald: opening sentence: An American nightmare is unfolding.

Wrong. A uniquely American nightmare is unfolding again.

The US is unique among OECD countries.
The US is unique among English speaking countries.
The US is unique among all countries.

Only in the US do we consider mass shootings to be a common occurrence that we have seemingly become immune to fact when fewer than 10 are killed, or when school shootings don’t even register because they didn’t get a double digit victim count.

No where else do we see this kind of regular and systemic violence in countries that are not currently war zones or civil wars or internal conflicts (think Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.)

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:57:11pm

re: #77 lawhawk

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This is another thing that reality-challenged people cannot accept or even begin to understand: that not only in New York but nationwide, including in the aforementioned Shreveport and Baton Rouge, murder and most violent crime rates have fallen dramatically for going on thirty years. The local news everywhere now plays up every instance of two-bit gunplay as if their coverage area were turning into Beirut during the civil war. Of course the cretinous Republican politicians make all the hay they can of this perception. The result is that virtually everyone I speak with on this subject is convinced that crime is at an all-time high, and that it’s somehow Obama’s fault.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:57:30pm

re: #89 JordanRules

Superintendent confirms there *were* police officers stationed at Stoneman Douglas High School but obviously could not stop shooter

Welp.

go up to #67 and listen to how fast the shots come

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:58:15pm

re: #91 ObserverArt

Columbus Ohio…850,000 population, 2.1 million metro area.

140 gun deaths in 2017.

It’s sad and it sucks.

NYC’s mean daily population, including the commuters/visitors is several million more. They are probably counted in the victim statistics.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:58:39pm

WE SHOULD BUILD WALLS!!!

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 1:59:48pm

re: #89 JordanRules

Obviously.

A shooter nearly always has the initiative in a shooting. They’ll get the drop on anyone, including cops.

And that makes all the asinine claims that we can train teachers to carry to prevent shootings like this even more insane.

Cops get regular training. SWAT gets special training to deal with school shootings. They have to train rigorously to keep those skills. Teachers? We’re going to train them how?

It’s bugnuts insanity.

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Archangelus  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:00:24pm

F*ck “thoughts and prayers”:

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:00:36pm

re: #94 dangerman

Oh I can’t get that audio out of my head. Like Vegas. I can still hear that one too.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:00:38pm
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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:02:01pm

re: #94 dangerman

Superintendent confirms there *were* police officers stationed at Stoneman Douglas High School but obviously could not stop shooter

The best way to avoid a situation is to prevent it, not shorten it’s duration once it’s begun

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:02:36pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

guy walks in with two assault rifles, opens fire. Three good guys with guns fire back… how many people get killed in the cross fire? How will those three good guys with guns know that the other shooters are good guys with guns?

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:02:50pm

I’d like more follow-up and attention on the NRA and Kremlin ties.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:02:59pm

re: #96 FormerDirtDart

President Trump offers his prayers and condolences after a school shooting in Parkland, Florida: “No child, teacher or anyone else should ever feel unsafe in an American school”

just asking, does that include dreamers?

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:05:02pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

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want an armed guard at the ready on every floor?, in every hall, in every room? otherwise this is just nonsense talk

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Archangelus  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:05:24pm
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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:06:55pm

re: #102 KGxvi

guy walks in with two assault rifles, opens fire. Three good guys with guns fire back… how many people get killed in the cross fire? How will those three good guys with guns know that the other shooters are good guys with guns?

how will they know that more bad guy shooters arent coming up behind the first guy or through a different door - how do they know they’re not good guys responding too?

the whole concept is assinine

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:08:41pm

re: #105 dangerman

want an armed guard at the ready on every floor?, in every hall, in every room? otherwise this is just nonsense talk

And no matter how many you put in, the guy on offense will always have the upper hand.

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:10:03pm

re: #105 dangerman

want an armed guard at the ready on every floor?, in every hall, in every room? otherwise this is just nonsense talk

It’s still nonsense talk. The aggressor will always have the advantage over the guard, who is probably bored stiff and unprepared for a surprise attack.

Arming teachers is even dumber unless they’ll always have their weapon out and be ready to fire at a moments notice.

There is one thing we could do, but that can’t even be discussed because FREEDUM!

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:14:00pm

re: #87 Skip Intro

I’ve been calling the NRA Murder Inc. for years. They haven’t done anything to make me change my mind.

Every time my wingnut brother mentions violence in Chicago, I tell him that the NRA is to blame. They are an evil criminal organization, just like the GOP.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:15:36pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:16:00pm

re: #107 dangerman

how will they know that more bad guy shooters arent coming up behind the first guy or through a different door - how do they know they’re not good guys responding too?

the whole concept is assinine

THIS.

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:17:06pm

Name sounds Hispanic. I wonder what the reaction to that will be.

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Archangelus  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:19:10pm

re: #113 A dark and stormy covfefe

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Name sounds Hispanic.

Or Canadian. /sarc
Well at least we know one GOP politician who will be cautious in reacting…

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:19:59pm
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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:20:10pm

re: #111 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just spoke to Broward School Superintendent. Today is that terrible day you pray never comes.

you’re left with prayer…because you didnt do anything to actually prevent it

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:20:24pm

re: #113 A dark and stormy covfefe

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Name sounds Hispanic. I wonder what the reaction to that will be.

“MS-13!!!”

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:21:00pm

I see Bible Palin is being sued for divorce by her soon to be ex husband in Travis County, TX, which means he’s been living in Austin for at least the last 90 days.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:21:28pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:21:37pm

re: #113 A dark and stormy covfefe

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Name sounds Hispanic. I wonder what the reaction to that will be.

$5 Trump will try to claim he’s undocumented.

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:22:52pm

re: #120 Eclectic Cyborg

We need to start building wall in Florida STAT!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:23:26pm

re: #113 A dark and stormy covfefe

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Name sounds Hispanic. I wonder what the reaction to that will be.

must be related to Ted…………..

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:23:34pm

re: #110 Hecuba’s daughter

Every time my wingnut brother mentions violence in Chicago, I tell him that the NRA is to blame. They are an evil criminal organization, just like the GOP.

Show your brother some of those stats shown above in the chart and the map. Illinois is in the lowest number of shootings column.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:25:07pm

re: #112 Eclectic Cyborg

THIS.

Humility saves lives - yours and others

Regardless of how experienced you are or how easily you feel you may perform, it will always be more difficult than it seems. Proper planning and recurrent training is a necessity.

Continuing to test/extend yourself under controlled and supervised conditions will also constantly remind you of how much you can still learn, how much your skills need regular work and review, how easy looking things aren’t.

the purpose of consistent planning and training, using the same procedures, rules and systems over and over time after time is to develop predictability and proficiency.

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:26:43pm

re: #110 Hecuba’s daughter

Every time my wingnut brother mentions violence in Chicago, I tell him that the NRA is to blame. They are an evil criminal organization, just like the GOP.

For all the good it will do with a wingnut, you might inform your brother that over the last five years, according to Forbes, the following large American cities have higher, in some cases much higher, murder rates than Chicago: New Orleans, Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, Oakland, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Memphis, Buffalo, Washington D.C., Stockton, Miami, Milwaukee, and Pittsburgh. Also that Chicago itself is closely followed by Indianapolis and Tulsa.

But it won’t matter. Chicago is associated with Obama, so it has to be the worst no matter what the facts are.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:26:45pm

re: #118 Skip Intro

I see Bible Palin is being sued for divorce by her soon to be ex husband in Travis County, TX, which means he’s been living in Austin for at least the last 90 days.

Went looking for some more info and found this:

“The marriage has become insupportable because of discord or conflict of personalities between [Dakota Meyer] and [Bristol Palin] that destroys the legitimate ends of the marriage relationship and prevents any reasonable expectation of reconciliation,” Meyer claimed in docs filed in Travis County, Texas, last month.

Considering all the stories over the past few years, I’d guess he wanted to settle down into married life and she just wants to keep partying.

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:28:50pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

He should have realized that he wasn’t just marrying her, he was marrying the whole crazy family.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:28:53pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:29:12pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

Went looking for some more info and found this:

Considering all the stories over the past few years, I’d guess he wanted to settle down into married life and she just wants to keep partying.

I agree with this assessment.

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:29:36pm

re: #113 A dark and stormy covfefe

Interesting that the refer to him as 19-year old ex-student. That reads to me as either a drop out or an expulsion.

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:30:22pm

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:31:09pm

re: #67 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We shouldn’t expect to see it anywhere, for fuck’s sake. This should not be normal.

Warning, the video is disturbing, but not graphic. Some (understandably) NSFW language.

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Maybe Megan McArdle can use her new position at the Washington Post to push her strategy of having school children rush at shooters.

I’d also like us to encourage people to gang rush shooters, rather than following their instincts to hide; if we drilled it into young people that the correct thing to do is for everyone to instantly run at the guy with the gun, these sorts of mass shootings would be less deadly, because even a guy with a very powerful weapon can be brought down by 8-12 unarmed bodies piling on him at once. Would it work? Would people do it? I have no idea; all I can say is that both these things would be more effective than banning rifles with pistol grips.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:32:27pm

re: #130 KGxvi

Interesting that the refer to him as 19-year old ex-student. That reads to me as either a drop out or an expulsion.

Could be just a bad choice of words for someone that graduated. I guess we will find out eventually.

But watch for the Trumper aholes to latch onto the name “Cruz”.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:32:28pm

nevermind

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:33:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:33:51pm

OT positive news:

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:34:30pm

Just fired off an email contact to Rob Portman.

I saw some above mention the money the Rubio gets from the NRA. It made me wonder about Portman.

Surprise! He too took over $3,000,000 from the NRA.

I told him I hope he is enjoying that money today and that it brings him comfort.

Closed by saying “thoughts and prayers that you get replaced as an Ohio senator sooner than later”

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:35:25pm

re: #89 JordanRules

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Welp.

Unpossible! Did those good guys not have guns?

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:37:37pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

OT positive news:

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:39:09pm

re: #138 Big Beautiful Door

Unpossible! Did those good guys not have guns?

how dare the shooter go where the guards werent

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petesh  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:39:21pm

re: #34 FormerDirtDart

President of South Africa resigns

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My South African friend, whose father was famous in the freedom struggle, says he would be dancing in the street except that he has inescapable Valentine’s Day obligations.

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:39:36pm

re: #133 GlutenFreeJesus

Could be just a bad choice of words for someone that graduated. I guess we will find out eventually.

But watch for the Trumper aholes to latch onto the name “Cruz”.

I don’t know, I feel like they’d say he was a graduate or a former student. “Ex” suggests his leaving the school was not amicable. Plus there’s this bit from the story:

“We were told last year that he wasn’t allowed on campus with a backpack on him,” said math teacher Jim Gard, who said Cruz had been in his class last year. “There were problems with him last year threatening students, and I guess he was asked to leave campus.”

Regardless, I’m sure the Trumpsters will jump on this, only question is whether we need to invade Puerto Rico or repeal wet foot/dry foot and send all the Cubans back.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:41:29pm

re: #142 KGxvi

I don’t know, I feel like they’d say he was a graduate or a former student. “Ex” suggests his leaving the school was not amicable. Plus there’s this bit from the story:

Regardless, I’m sure the Trumpsters will jump on this, only question is whether we need to invade Puerto Rico or repeal wet foot/dry foot and send all the Cubans back.

Every time they do, just ask if they mean Ted.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:41:55pm

Ugh. It looks like they are taking a body out on a gurney to that tent they have set up, probably for the coroner.

This is just so sad and unnecessary.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:43:14pm

he just needs to sit down and STFU

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CleverToad  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:43:39pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:43:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:44:11pm

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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petesh  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:46:00pm

re: #133 GlutenFreeJesus

Could be just a bad choice of words for someone that graduated. I guess we will find out eventually.

But watch for the Trumper aholes to latch onto the name “Cruz”.

As in Ted?

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:46:51pm

I really need to stop engaging people on facebook. An old blog friend had a post about the Obama portraits. We met many years ago when we were both conservative/libertarian bloggers, but for what it’s worth, she noted that she liked the portraits.

Unfortunately…

In the comments, someone raised the “there’s sperm in his hair” bullshit. I pointed out that it was a 4chan hoax and posted a link to snopes. Which got a “oh, going to believe George Soros people with no investigative backgrounds?” response. So I quipped, “ok, go with the 4chan racists then, good call.” She comes back with claiming I’m playing the “racist card”. And so, I turned off notifications for that post, because I’m not even going to deal with it.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:47:35pm

re: #107 dangerman

how will they know that more bad guy shooters arent coming up behind the first guy or through a different door - how do they know they’re not good guys responding too?

the whole concept is assinine

ALL of these scenarios - arm the teachers, more guards, no gun free zones etc are worthless until AFTER someone starts shooting

the goal should be to prevent the shooting in the first place

responsibility and accountability laws (including use, misuse, discharge, storage, control, transfer, etc.) do not affect the 2a rights of responsible owners at all.

consequence laws only affect those who demonstrate irresponsibility.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:48:06pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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wrenchwench  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:49:08pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

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he just needs to sit down and STFU

He can stand in the corner and STFU.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:49:32pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

We are working closely with law enforcement on the terrible Florida school shooting.

he just needs to sit down and STFU

to do what EXACTLY?

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:50:01pm

re: #151 dangerman

No plan survives contact with the enemy.

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:50:12pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

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he just needs to sit down and STFU

When, in his 40 years as a “celebrity”, has he ever done that?

Also, I use quotes on celebrity because he really is the ur-Kardashian, nobody can really say why he’s famous or point to any socially redeemable qualities as a public person.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:50:47pm

re: #135 JordanRules

My little brother just sent me this video of the swat team evacuating his classroom at stoneman douglas. So scary but glad he’s safe.

Our schools should start offering the Combat Infantryman’s Badge for kids who have been downrange.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:52:01pm

re: #140 dangerman

how dare the shooter go where the guards werent

The clear solution is to put even more armed good guys in schools. //

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:52:55pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

I believe in the power of prayer to accomplish many things, some of which you might even call a miracle—but I don’t understand how getting Congress to pass sensible gun laws got to be a thing that requires one.

someone’s gonna point a gun at you. do you want to:

- pray he misses
- prevent him from having the weapon in the first place

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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:55:20pm
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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:55:34pm

re: #155 Belafon

No plan survives contact with the enemy.

sure. that goes more to my #124.

what im saying here is there can be lots of laws that will weed out the irresponsible among us. they wont affect “responsible” gun owners one whit.

and they are still against all of them. won’t even honestly discuss em

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:55:37pm

re: #158 Big Beautiful Door

The clear solution is to put even more armed good guys in schools. //

I’m pretty sure Erik Prince has a contract proposal ready.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:56:21pm
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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:56:55pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:57:12pm

I’m feeling so sad and full of rage about yet another mass shooting, that this country REFUSES TO DEAL WITH. Sorry, but I don’t believe in “the power of prayer.” It’s this kind of magical thinking that leads to the situation we’re in, where we have people in charge of the country who think it’s more important to praise a magic sky being than actually handle shit that needs to be handled.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:57:46pm

re: #158 Big Beautiful Door

The clear solution is to put even more armed good guys in schools. //

as i said, every floor, hall, room, door

and a determined guy will come in a window or whatever

this is whack-a-mole thinking

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:58:32pm

re: #161 dangerman

sure. that goes more to my #124.

what im saying here is there can be lots of laws that will weed out the irresponsible among us. they wont affect “responsible” gun owners one whit.

and they are still against all of them. won’t even honestly discuss em

They won’t discuss them because, deep down, they know that they’re not really responsible gun owners. They know that they’ll eventually face liability for their own irresponsible acts.

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Jay C  Feb 14, 2018 • 2:58:33pm

Just heard the first firm number reported for the Parkland dead: 15 dead, 14 wounded.
So far.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:00:11pm

re: #168 Jay C

Just heard the first firm number reported for the Parland dead: 15 dead, 14 wounded.
So far.

Then this has become the big St. Valentine’s Day Massacre. More than double the dead as the original.

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makeitstop  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:00:47pm

in other news…

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:01:01pm

re: #154 dangerman

to do what EXACTLY?

To find out who the shooter was, how long he and his family have been in this country and if anyone has a record so that maybe we can get ICE on the job.

Cynical? Probably…that is how I feel about how gun issues are handled in this country.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:01:21pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:01:33pm

15. This fucking day.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:01:34pm

re: #168 Jay C

Just heard the first firm number reported for the Parland dead: 15 dead, 14 wounded.
So far.

So is it too soon to talk about gun control, or is it too late?

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:01:54pm

re: #167 KGxvi

Yes, yes!
I’ve tried to have the sensible conversations and they can’t. They can’t deal in reality because they know. Deep down, they already know.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:01:59pm

re: #166 dangerman

as i said, every floor, hall, room, door

and a determined guy will come in a window or whatever

this is whack-a-mole thinking instead

What else can we do except get moar gunz into the schools? For the life of me, I can’t conceive of any other possible solution.///

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:02:09pm

re: #174 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yes.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:02:38pm

re: #167 KGxvi

They won’t discuss them because, deep down, they know that they’re not really responsible gun owners. They know that they’ll eventually face liability for their own irresponsible acts.

big, loud, bold, italics, 100%

they want the right without any responsibility whatsoever

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Greup  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:03:04pm

Strangely prophetic…
Bowies “Valentines day” about school shootings…

David Bowie - Valentine’s Day (Video)

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:03:57pm

re: #170 makeitstop

I got some creepy ass vibes from reading this.
He’s an odd, scary figure.

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:04:21pm

re: #175 JordanRules

Yes, yes!
I’ve tried to have the sensible conversations and they can’t. They can’t deal in reality because they know. Deep down, they already know.

All you have to do is look at the story from a couple weeks ago (?) where a 12-year-old girl brought a gun to school that accidentally went off when she dropped her backpack. The fact that she even had access to it shows her parent(s) was/were not responsible.

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:04:35pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:04:42pm

re: #173 GlutenFreeJesus

15. This fucking day.

But, you know, some guy with a truck killed 86 people in Nice two years ago, so it has absolutely nothing to do with guns.

Yes, I already saw that one on FB. Clearly, although it’s too soon to talk about doing something about guns, it’s NOT too soon to talk about doing NOTHING about guns.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:05:07pm

re: #168 Jay C

Just heard the first firm number reported for the Parkland dead: 15 dead, 14 wounded.
So far.

Damn. Worse than I was thinking from what I have heard so far.

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TedStriker  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:05:14pm

re: #168 Jay C

Just heard the first firm number reported for the Parland dead: 15 dead, 14 wounded.
So far.

More blood for the the blood gods of the High Holy Second Amendment of ‘Merica.

And nothing of consequence will come of this, just as it didn’t after Columbine, Newtown, Las Vegas, or any of the countless number of other gun-fueled massacres this country has seen and will see in the future.

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Varek Raith  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:05:49pm

Dammit.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:06:06pm

28th mass shooting of 2018.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:06:11pm

re: #174 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

So is it too soon to talk about gun control, or is it too late?

It’s traditional to wait until the last child is buried. Since shootings are coming every couple days, there is a scheduling problem.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:07:31pm

The ammosexuals will not even believe it happened. They are literally beyond reason.

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TedStriker  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:07:45pm

re: #174 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

So is it too soon to talk about gun control, or is it too late?

Six of one, a half-dozen of the other, because the NRA and the ammosexuals will never let a cogent, reasoned discussion on gun control ever happen in this country.

The Second Amendment has become a fucking suicide pact.

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:08:34pm
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Romantic Heretic  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:08:35pm

re: #15 Amory Blaine

Liberal tears are worth more than the blood of american children.

And blood is needed to water The Tree of Liberty. Freedom hating, pacifist, unarmed libtards will never understand that.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:08:46pm

I guess passing gun control is like planting oak trees:

The best time to plant an oak tree was twenty years ago. The second-best time is today.
—-Chinese aphorism

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:08:49pm

re: #189 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The ammosexuals will not even believe it happened. They are literally beyond reason.

As soon as the Sandy Hook conspiracy theories started, I knew that something like today would happen. If a bunch of schoolchildren getting shot and killed doesn’t force the gun-fuckers to think second thoughts about gun ownership, literally nothing will.

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Jay C  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:09:31pm

And in one of the weirder aspects of the Parkland shooting, apparently the suspected shooter, Nicholas Cruz ( and almost needlessly stereotypical to add, described as “troubled” and with an “obsession with guns”) escaped the school at first by mingling with the crowd of students trying to get out. No clear news, tho, as to how he came to be arrested.

Also, no breakdown of casualties, yet: one assumes they were mainly students (?)

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:10:26pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:10:39pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

I’m feeling so sad and full of rage about yet another mass shooting, that this country REFUSES TO DEAL WITH. Sorry, but I don’t believe in “the power of prayer.” It’s this kind of magical thinking that leads to the situation we’re in, where we have people in charge of the country who think it’s more important to praise a magic sky being than actually handle shit that needs to be handled.

In Trump’s case, he probably doesn’t believe in the magic sky being but just tweeting (or rather have a staff member tweet) formulaic pablum in order to prevent reporters from claiming Trump doesn’t care about these victims. Hmmm — actually, he probably doesn’t care about these victims anyway.

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:11:00pm

re: #191 Skip Intro

How do responsible gun owners end up having their guns stolen?

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Dr. Matt  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:11:13pm

Facebook is a shitshow. If you search for “Nicolas Cruz” there is a post claiming he is a ‘Dreamer’, another post claiming he wrote “allahu akbar” while holding a pistol on a facebook pic, and of course several new profiles under the name Nicolas Cruz.

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:11:15pm

re: #196 Skip Intro

I wonder if she knows any of their names?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:11:45pm

re: #200 Skip Intro

I wonder if she knows any of their names?

She wouldn’t want to. That’s getting too close to the tragedy.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:12:39pm

re: #191 Skip Intro

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There are no legal or illegal guns, but there are legal and illegal people…I mean.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:13:17pm

re: #167 KGxvi

They won’t discuss them because, deep down, they know that they’re not really responsible gun owners. They know that they’ll eventually face liability for their own irresponsible acts.

i put gun owners/possessors in three general categories
1 the real responsible ones
2 the real irresponsible ones
3 the “speeders”

i’ve said over and over that group 1 should have no problem with any voluntary compliance law or consequence law because, in general they dont do anything wrong. they control their weapons, they dont lend them, they sell more or less reputably, they store safely. many may even carry insurance and more than likely would take responsibility for their actions if something happened.

group 2 needs to be disarmed. these people are dangerous, careless and will hurt people actively or negligently. they are the face of all gun owners and the rest seem to let it be this way.

group 3 are the big problem. they’re doing 90 in a 55 zone, havent been stopped so figure they’re lucky or at least “getting away with it”. they dont store safely, they sell to anyone, they are not careful. and they just havent got ‘caught’ yet - hurting someone else, or having a kid get at it or whatever. these are the people you describe.

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:13:56pm

re: #202 Mike Lamb

But there are legal and illegal people…

And legal and illegal drugs. And cars/motorcycles

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:14:55pm

re: #189 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The ammosexuals will not even believe it happened. They are literally beyond reason.

Well, you do have one extra-crazy guy down there in Texas that is probably already figuring out all the false flag aspects of today’s non-shooting in Florida.

And I bet whatever he comes up with this time…”deep state” will be in the spiel. And maniacal screaming.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:15:39pm

re: #181 KGxvi

All you have to do is look at the story from a couple weeks ago (?) where a 12-year-old girl brought a gun to school that accidentally went off when she dropped her backpack. The fact that she even had access to it shows her parent(s) was/were not responsible.

perfect example
they get disarmed
lose their 2a rights
possibly go to jail

that no one got hurt is completely besides the point. the potential threat of harm to others is what should be prosecuted

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Stanley Sea  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:15:41pm
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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:16:29pm

re: #203 dangerman

Something that really pisses me off is that it’ll be portrayed as “a few bad apples.” And the meaning of that has been completely turned on its head. It used to be “one bad apple ruins the bunch.” As in if one is bad, all are bad. Now, it’s just “oh well, at least these ones are ok.”

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weave  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:17:01pm

Sure let’s have a conversation about guns, but that’s probably not the real problem here. For example, that Kentucky student just lost his father and was being bullied and allegedly the school ignored it, and he struck out. So if he was unable to obtain a gun, would he have turned to some other means for his carnage, like bombing, acid, poison, etc?

I was a victim of bullying in High School many years ago. Actually it was encouraged by my ninth grade gym teacher even. I turned to that fucker for help since I was so skinny and weak. I asked him for some private time and help in the weight room and he proceeded to march me in to the room in front of all the jocks and say out loud “You better start with the 10 pound weight” with everyone roaring.

It still bothers me (obviously) 40 years later.

High School can be a living hell. We’re killing funding, making classes larger, killing teacher morale, and pushing the best teachers out of the work force.

Let’s not just bandaid the symptoms here and try to fix the real causes of the disfunction in our schools.

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:17:47pm

re: #206 dangerman

perfect example
they get disarmed
lose their 2a rights
possibly go to jail

that no one got hurt is completely besides the point. the potential threat of harm to others is what should be prosecuted

Oh, no, a kid got shot in the head in that story.

In a classroom next door, a 15-year-old boy had been shot in the head, a 15-year-old girl was shot in the wrist and several others were struck by broken glass.

Jordan tells The Associated Press that his 12-year-old classmate at Salvador B. Castro Middle School told him it was an accident.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:18:55pm

re: #209 weave

I feel for you, but… GUNS ARE THE REAL FUCKING PROBLEM HERE.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:19:01pm

re: #191 Skip Intro

Furthermore, there is no such thing as an “illegal gun” or a “legal gun.” There is illegal possession and legal possession

unless every “illegal possession” was by stealing the gun, someone else is turning a legal possession into an illegal one.

by sale, transfer, lending, trading, or not safely storing

why wont you help us hunt down those people dana?

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:19:20pm

re: #97 lawhawk

That’s because to the ammosexuals firearms are, literally, magic. Point, shoot, bad guy falls down. Their faith, the American faith, tells them that is how it works.

John Calvin has a lot to answer for.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:19:44pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:19:56pm

re: #194 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

As soon as the Sandy Hook conspiracy theories started, I knew that something like today would happen. If a bunch of schoolchildren getting shot and killed doesn’t force the gun-fuckers to think second thoughts about gun ownership, literally nothing will.

True.

And, I don’t know the full makeup of a Jason Aldean concert crowd in Los Vegas, but being it was a country music show, I think it safe to say many in that crowd are gun owners and second amendment rights proponents that don’t want their guns taken, etc.

How many died and were shot in Vegas again?

Add Sandy Hook and Vegas together and it still doesn’t seem to shake those gun-lovers to want to stop it.

It is just not in the range of normal human behavior…is it?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:20:56pm

re: #213 Romantic Heretic

That’s because to the ammosexuals firearms are, literally, magic. Point, shoot, bad guy falls down. Their faith, the American faith, tells them that is how it works.

John Calvin has a lot to answer for.

So does Marshal Matt Dillon, for that matter.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:21:20pm

re: #208 KGxvi

Something that really pisses me off is that it’ll be portrayed as “a few bad apples.” And the meaning of that has been completely turned on its head. It used to be “one bad apple ruins the bunch.” As in if one is bad, all are bad. Now, it’s just “oh well, at least these ones are ok.”

I disagree with that view. After all, that’s what the anti-Muslim groups all assert: we cannot have any Muslim immigrants because one may be a terrorist.

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:21:35pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

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he just needs to sit down and STFU

The trouble is, he seems to do most of his most idiotic yammering while sitting down. It’s old-school tech. Shit in stereo.

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TedStriker  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:21:54pm

re: #207 Stanley Sea

Surprise, fucking surprise.

Once again, a Black Rifle in the hands of a “civilian” with ill intent mows down scores of innocents with cold, deadly efficiency.

And, soon enough, it’ll happen again.

And again.

And again.

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mmmirele  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:21:58pm

re: #209 weave

Look, high school is far more murderous today than it was when I went in the 1970s. And that was at a 96 percent white suburban high school with social tensions (cowboys v. rockers). Pop bottles were removed from the school after a riot where they turned into weapons. We had someone call in almost weekly for a couple of months threatening to blow the place up and I spent a lot of time in a field south of the school that fall. The calls stopped, but a pipe bomb went off one day. But we never had to worry about guns, and this was Texas, semi-rural Texas, in fact.

What’s different now is the absolute proliferation of guns. I don’t think we can get around that.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:22:13pm

16 more sacrifices to feed the Blood Lust of the holy Tree of Liberty. But its never enough.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:22:15pm

re: #108 Belafon

And he’ll know who to target first.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:22:52pm

re: #208 KGxvi

Something that really pisses me off is that it’ll be portrayed as “a few bad apples.” And the meaning of that has been completely turned on its head. It used to be “one bad apple ruins the bunch.” As in if one is bad, all are bad. Now, it’s just “oh well, at least these ones are ok.”

the laws are a filter. they filter out the bad apples. they dont touch “you”

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makeitstop  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:22:59pm

re: #179 Greup

Strangely prophetic…
Bowies “Valentines day” about school shootings…

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Fun fact: The director of that video wanted to stage a school shooting. Bowie refused.

Instead, he deliberately chose a guitar that resembled a gun.

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mmmirele  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:23:37pm

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

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How can that guy go to church for Ash Wednesday and then testify on the behalf of Trump? I wish Jesus was here to smack the everloving crap out of him.

Oh, and $10-30MM is a lowball figure for sure. Tank treads and heavy weapon systems will damage the streets of Washington.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:24:42pm

re: #210 KGxvi

Oh, no, a kid got shot in the head in that story.

my bad - i didnt read the story
so i change my answer slightly

take their guns
lose 2a rights
go to jail
all manner of financial and civil penalties
end

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:24:47pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:25:05pm

re: #209 weave

I was a victim of bullying in High School many years ago. Actually it was encouraged by my ninth grade gym teacher even. I turned to that fucker for help since I was so skinny and weak. I asked him for some private time and help in the weight room and he proceeded to march me in to the room in front of all the jocks and say out loud “You better start with the 10 pound weight” with everyone roaring.

It still bothers me (obviously) 40 years later.

Things like that stay with a person.

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:25:37pm

re: #217 Hecuba’s daughter

I disagree with that view. After all, that’s what the anti-Muslim groups all assert: we cannot have any Muslim immigrants because one may be a terrorist.

I should be more clear, the use of the “a few bad apples” phrase annoys me. There will always be outliers, but the question is how many and what is the danger. The issue, I suppose, is when the logic is used to let bad actors get by - like with police misconduct, it’s never a real problem, because it’s just a few bad apples (ignoring the fact that the alleged majority turning a blind eye to the bad acts of the minority makes them culpable for further bad acts).

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:27:11pm

re: #215 ObserverArt

True.

And, I don’t know they full makeup of a Jason Aldean concert crowd in Los Vegas, but being it was a country music show, I think it safe to say many in that crowd are gun owners and second amendment rights proponents that don’t want their guns taken, etc.

How many died and were shot in Vegas again?

Add Sandy Hook and Vegas together and it still doesn’t seem to shake those gun-lovers to want to stop it.

It is just not in the range of normal human behavior…is it?

The ammosexuals are concerned only about any restriction on gun ownership. They DO NOT care about how many innocents are murdered. They do not care if their 3 year child kills her 2 year old brother; it’s an accident, don’t you know? Fate? How do you think Trump got elected? Too many Americans are incapable of compassion or reason.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:27:18pm

MSNBC -Now reporting 17 dead. 18 injuries.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:27:18pm

im out

gonna make dinner for a lady
(mrs dm of course)

its way more uplifting than this conversation

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:27:27pm

“Your dead kids don’t trump my Constitutional rights!”
- Joe The Plumber to the victim’s families of the 2014 Isla Vista Shooting.

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weave  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:27:42pm

re: #220 mmmirele

What’s different now is the absolute proliferation of guns. I don’t think we can get around that.

Certainly there were guns back then. There were in my house when I was growing up in the 70s.

I’m sure the Internet has a lot to do with it though. The disturbed ones can be reached by other ones, or trolls can egg them on and encourage them to go and do it. In the old days, they’d be isolated and disconnected.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:28:39pm

re: #234 weave

Certainly there were guns back then. There were in my house when I was growing up in the 70s.

I’m sure the Internet has a lot to do with it though. The disturbed ones can be reached by other ones, or trolls can egg them on and encourage them to go and do it. In the old days, they’d be isolated and disconnected.

The bullying never stops. You go home, but you get picked on via social media and in video games.

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:29:56pm

re: #233 DodgerFan1988

“Your dead kids don’t trump my Constitutional rights!”
- Joe The Plumber to the victim’s families of the 2014 Isla Vista Shooting.

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Basic principle of libertarianism: my rights only extend so far to the point that they do not interfere with your rights, and vice versa. The classic example: I have every right to walk around swinging my arms wildly, until I come close enough to you that I could hit you, at that point, my right to swing my arms is limited by your right to not get hit.

We have reached a point where “your” right to own a gun is interfering with “my” right to be alive.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:31:37pm

re: #220 mmmirele

What’s different now is the absolute proliferation of guns. I don’t think we can get around that.

It’s not the number of guns that pose the problem, it’s the high capacity magazines and semi-automatic or automatic style firing.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:32:33pm
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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:33:38pm

re: #237 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s not the number of guns that pose the problem, it’s the high capacity magazines and semi-automatic or automatic style firing.

Archer - a little column A, a little column B

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:35:29pm

re: #196 Skip Intro

Thoughts and prayers to her marriage.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:37:05pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:38:10pm

re: #239 KGxvi

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Video

Yes. Weave is right…bullying is a problem, most likely more now that Trump has unleashed everyone to be ugly.

And that needs to be added to more guns that are by far more powerful than what was available so easily in the 70s.

Everything has gotten worse and even less is being done about it.

A little A, a little B…a lot that is just bad.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:39:17pm

re: #237 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s not the number of guns that pose the problem, it’s the high capacity magazines and semi-automatic or automatic style firing.

Some truth in that, and it doesn’t matter. Until a sane electorate takes the reins of government and erases the Trump influence on the Supreme Court, there can be no movement. Think 10-20 years to begin a fix, if ever.

It would have been really good if we had made a max effort in the 2016 election. If we don’t in the next two elections, kiss it off.

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Archangelus  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:39:50pm

This is pretty much my default template now in response to any NRA money-grabber in office offering ‘thoughts and prayers’…

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Jay C  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:40:05pm

re: #215 ObserverArt

It is just not in the range of normal human behavior…is it?

American Exceptionalism.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:41:54pm

I’m getting awfully cynical about this shit. I’ve about resigned myself to accept this new normal. If Sandy Hook didn’t convince ammosexual chowderheads in Congress and Republican state legislatures to enact stronger gun laws, nothing will. Maybe we should all just wear bullet proof vests in public, y’know, just in case someone starts shooting everybody.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:41:57pm

re: #243 Decatur Deb

Some truth in that, and it doesn’t matter. Until a sane electorate takes the reins of government and erases the Trump influence on the Supreme Court, there can be no movement. Think 10-20 years to begin a fix, if ever.

It would have been really good if we had made a max effort in the 2016 election. If we don’t in the next two elections, kiss it off.

Lot of talk about court packing….doubling the number of all federal benches and then stacking them with GOP wet dream nominees. Trump would appoint more judges than all other US Presidents combined.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:42:58pm

re: #244 Archangelus

This is pretty much my default template now in response to any NRA money-grabber in office offering ‘thoughts and prayers’…

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Fucking Portman…shut the hell up!

I want that guy gone so bad…but he still has 4 year in office.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:44:00pm

Latest WebMD spam email headline:

Does Sex Get Better With Age?

Dunno. But age is better with sex.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:45:10pm
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BlueGrl21  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:45:18pm

Every single politician thoughts and prayers tweet needs a response of how much the NRA paid them.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:45:51pm

re: #236 KGxvi

Basic principle of libertarianism: my rights only extend so far to the point that they do not interfere with your rights, and vice versa. The classic example: I have every right to walk around swinging my arms wildly, until I come close enough to you that I could hit you, at that point, my right to swing my arms is limited by your right to not get hit.

We have reached a point where “your” right to own a gun is interfering with “my” right to be alive.

Except you don’t have a right to be alive. Hang the Declaration of Independence, the right to life is only guaranteed to fetuses according to the Constitution. After birth, all bets are off.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:46:11pm

Gonna watch some sports…maybe a quick drum workout…to get away from the ever frustrating politics of the day. Need a break.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:48:54pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:49:20pm

re: #236 KGxvi

Basic principle of libertarianism: my rights only extend so far to the point that they do not interfere with your rights, and vice versa. The classic example: I have every right to walk around swinging my arms wildly, until I come close enough to you that I could hit you, at that point, my right to swing my arms is limited by your right to not get hit.

We have reached a point where “your” right to own a gun is interfering with “my” right to be alive.

I’d say we’ve passed that point, and reached the point where the right of white people to own guns trumps every other right. That right has become so sacrosanct that we can’t even really enforce the rules we all agreed upon about who may or may not own a gun. It’s the one right that even propertarians bow to, when gunfuckers get laws passed that prohibit privately owned entities from barring firearms.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:49:40pm
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DodgerFan1988  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:52:16pm

This asshole

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Archangelus  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:52:35pm

Seriously, f*ck this guy with a thermite and polonium-laced iron pitchfork…

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BlueGrl21  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:54:39pm

re: #257 DodgerFan1988

This asshole

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I think I can safely say that the timing of this tweet is really quite exceptional.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:57:08pm
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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:58:09pm

re: #251 BlueGrl21

Oh folks already do that, every time this happens.

Just like The Onion re-ups their headlines each time.

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electrotek  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:59:21pm

I’m at a loss of words. I’m so fucking numb right now.

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Feb 14, 2018 • 3:59:40pm

And this one can be re-upped as well:

Mass shooting in _________, USA kills ___

thebeaverton.com

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:00:06pm
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austin_blue  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:00:52pm

re: #40 Barefoot Grin

I drive by two gun stores on the way home. One is doubling in size—it’s in the middle of construction. Nothing will ever change.

Never say never.

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electrotek  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:01:47pm

I wonder what the local gun shop here in Dallas is up to.

Namely the one named Templar Ordnance which has no shame in utilizing Crusader imagery to sell weapons at Farmer’s Branch.

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electrotek  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:02:14pm

re: #264 A dark and stormy covfefe

And this one can be re-upped as well:

Mass shooting in _________, USA kills ___

thebeaverton.com

Jeb Bush: “Stuff happens”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:02:56pm

re: #251 BlueGrl21

Every single politician thoughts and prayers tweet needs a response of how much the NRA paid them.

yes

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:03:21pm

re: #132 Scottish Dragon

Maybe Megan McArdle can use her new position at the Washington Post to push her strategy of having school children rush at shooters.

Megan McArdle can blow what passes for her thoughts out her ass. To the ninth circle of Hell with the idea of “dealing” with this by training children in suicide charges vs. active shooters.

Repeal the motherfucking second amendment.

Confiscate the goddamn guns.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:03:58pm
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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:04:36pm

re: #265 Charles Johnson

Goes without saying that SMOTI and pals are doxxing, and possibly getting the wrong person targeted.

Always with the smears and lies. It never ends with that cabal of crazies.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:05:30pm

Author of Columbine, expert on school shootings.

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weave  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:05:40pm

Press: “What will happen for these victims you’re treating and their families now?”
Doctor: “They’re going to go through successful surgeries and then go home”
Me: “Then they’ll get the hospital bills” :-(

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:08:22pm

re: #267 electrotek

I wonder what the local gun shop here in Dallas is up to.

Namely the one named Templar Ordnance which has no shame in utilizing Crusader imagery to sell weapons at Farmer’s Branch.

I’m shocked that a place that references the Knights Templar in its name would use crusader imagery.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:08:26pm

Buzzfeed is pretty good at keeping up with the bullshit fire hose hoax machine on social media.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:09:23pm

re: #270 EPR-radar

Megan McArdle can blow what passes for her thoughts out her ass. To the ninth circle of Hell with the idea of “dealing” with this by training children in suicide charges vs. active shooters.

Repeal the motherfucking second amendment.

Confiscate the goddamn guns.

Do you have a timeline and milestones for this?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:09:54pm

re: #275 KGxvi

I’m shocked that a place that references the Knights Templar in its name would use crusader imagery.

Third of its name:

en.wikipedia.org

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electrotek  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:10:09pm

re: #275 KGxvi

I’m shocked that a place that references the Knights Templar in its name would use crusader imagery.

lol right

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:10:44pm

Reupped (and pinned) because this never changes so long as the GOP/NRA are obstructing the will of the people.

The majority of the nation is sick of this shit. They’re sick of the mass shootings. They’re sick of the same kind of guns being used in mass shooting after mass shooting.

But attempted assassinations of Congressmembers didn’t change anything. Killing toddlers didn’t change anything. Killing dozens of concertgoers didn’t change anything.

The GOP/NRA wont change anything, all while collecting the butcher’s bill.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:13:14pm

On a much more positive note - dinner was made and consumed with great gusto.

Pan seared london broil with a kebab spice rub crust, roasted vegies, and whiskey reduction sauce made with tahini and teriyaki. No pictures - too hungry to take ‘em.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:13:24pm

re: #277 Decatur Deb

Do you have a timeline and milestones for this?

No. I realize it’s politically impossible, but ending slavery was once just as impossible.

Minimally, the second amendment needs to go. It is an absolute legal bar (or, equivalently, can too easily be interpreted as such) to the kind of gun control that has worked everywhere else in the developed world.

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Varek Raith  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:15:10pm

re: #280 lawhawk

Reupped (and pinned) because this never changes so long as the GOP/NRA are obstructing the will of the people.

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The majority of the nation is sick of this shit. They’re sick of the mass shootings. They’re sick of the same kind of guns being used in mass shooting after mass shooting.

But attempted assassinations of Congressmembers didn’t change anything. Killing toddlers didn’t change anything. Killing dozens of concertgoers didn’t change anything.

The GOP/NRA wont change anything, all while collecting the butcher’s bill.

Fuck that guy.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:15:30pm

re: #282 EPR-radar

No. I realize it’s politically impossible, but ending slavery was once just as impossible.

Minimally, the second amendment needs to go. It is an absolute legal bar (or, equivalently, can too easily be interpreted as such) to the kind of gun control that has worked everywhere else in the developed world.

It is in no way impossible, but it will be a very long march requiring a very large number of concrete political steps. Start with the nearest Republican bullshitter in your zip code.

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dangerman  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:15:51pm

re: #270 EPR-radar

Megan McArdle can blow what passes for her thoughts out her ass. To the ninth circle of Hell with the idea of “dealing” with this by training children in suicide charges vs. active shooters.

Repeal the motherfucking second amendment.

Confiscate the goddamn guns.

imo “gun control” can never and will never happen

gun accountability is possible - slowly and over a long period of time

now back to the lamb chops and green beans

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:16:47pm

re: #209 weave

Sure let’s have a conversation about guns, but that’s probably not the real problem here. For example, that Kentucky student just lost his father and was being bullied and allegedly the school ignored it, and he struck out. So if he was unable to obtain a gun, would he have turned to some other means for his carnage, like bombing, acid, poison, etc?

I was a victim of bullying in High School many years ago. Actually it was encouraged by my ninth grade gym teacher even. I turned to that fucker for help since I was so skinny and weak. I asked him for some private time and help in the weight room and he proceeded to march me in to the room in front of all the jocks and say out loud “You better start with the 10 pound weight” with everyone roaring.

It still bothers me (obviously) 40 years later.

High School can be a living hell. We’re killing funding, making classes larger, killing teacher morale, and pushing the best teachers out of the work force.

Let’s not just bandaid the symptoms here and try to fix the real causes of the disfunction in our schools.

You aren’t the only one. High school was hell for me. The last time I walked out of that torture chamber…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:18:28pm

re: #281 lawhawk

On a much more positive note - dinner was made and consumed with great gusto.

Pan seared london broil with a kebab spice rub crust, roasted vegies, and whiskey reduction sauce made with tahini and teriyaki. No pictures - too hungry to take ‘em.

I have owed mr. klys a kani nabe (crab hot pot) for his birthday for about three years now. I picked up the induction cooker and a hot pot that would work for it for our anniversary and am about 3/4 of the way through the pre-cooking. It will include homemade dashi, momiji oroshi, cabbage-spinach rolls, and I also did Japanese potato salad because did I mention that I don’t actually eat crab?

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Varek Raith  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:19:15pm

re: #286 Joe Bacon 🌹

WTF.

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meteor  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:19:34pm

re: #251 BlueGrl21

Bess Kalb is doing just that.

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Semper Fi  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:22:29pm

Wow! that was a nice call:
I just learned I have a Great Grandson who apparently just arrived. Total now is 4 great grandchildren. Makes me feel like I accomplished something. It is a good feeling.
All the horrible news we’re hearing…something makes me feel better but I have nothing to offer those who are feeling tremendous loss in Parkland.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:23:18pm

re: #287 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Japanese potato salad.

I. am. intrigued.

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:23:41pm

re: #281 lawhawk

On a much more positive note - dinner was made and consumed with great gusto.

Pan seared london broil with a kebab spice rub crust, roasted vegies, and whiskey reduction sauce made with tahini and teriyaki.

Curse you. Just curse you.

No pictures - too hungry to take ‘em.

Your hunger has perhaps saved your life, torturemonger.

(Goes to kitchen and decides there is no need to reduce the whiskey, especially since I lack teriyaki and tahini. Perhaps the simple old ways are best. I am poor but I am wealthy. Please forgive my hasty remarks.)

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:25:07pm

re: #289 meteor

Igor Volsky too (just a sampling):

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:26:46pm

re: #291 lawhawk

Japanese potato salad.

I. am. intrigued.

I’m using this recipe, although skipping the hard-boiled egg and the hot Japanese mustard - I subbed in normal American yellow for just a hint of flavor and it’s fine. It is honestly one of my favorite things and the secret is the Japanese mayo.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:26:51pm

re: #290 Semper Fi

Congratulations!

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:28:28pm

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:30:00pm

re: #279 electrotek

lol right

Have you watched the Detour on TBS? There’s an episode where they go to a Mexican buffet somewhere on the eastern seaboard called Conquistadors (complete with a musical number about the conquistadors and Aztecs). That is what I imagine this gun shop is like.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:30:10pm

Meanwhile over at Baby Whiplash’s crib…

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Semper Fi  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:30:10pm

re: #295 JordanRules

Congratulations!

Thank you

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electrotek  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:31:24pm

re: #297 KGxvi

Have you watched the Detour on TBS? There’s an episode where they go to a Mexican buffet somewhere on the eastern seaboard called Conquistadors (complete with a musical number about the conquistadors and Aztecs). That is what I imagine this gun shop is like.

I have never seen it, but holy cow this does not surprise me. I’ll add that to my list.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:31:50pm

re: #294 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:32:42pm

re: #258 Archangelus

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Reported it but Twitter won’t do anything.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:33:38pm

I posted the lyrics to King Crimson’s “Elephant Talk” last night. Thoughts and prayers and all.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:34:06pm

re: #273 teleskiguy

Author of Columbine, expert on school shootings.

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Absolutely excellent book.

I made my book club read it. We’re split down the middle Dem and Repub, all moderates. All moms. That was quite the conversation after we finished the book.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:34:24pm

re: #294 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m using this recipe, although skipping the hard-boiled egg and the hot Japanese mustard - I subbed in normal American yellow for just a hint of flavor and it’s fine. It is honestly one of my favorite things and the secret is the Japanese mayo.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:36:40pm

Bullying might be worse these days, but I’m not sure that explains these kinds of shootings.

There’s no correlation of actual bullying that occurred to violent response.

I know I pound a very specific drum, but it’s relevant: there are people with less empathy, less impulse control, who perceive themselves as harmed by things like rejection, not being the center of attention, not receiving compliance from others. And of that set there are some who choose to use lethal force; and of that set, there are those that choose to lash out in general, or in a broad swath. It’s about enjoying the exercise of total power.

That’s what’s the same. The idea that there’s deep, explainable motives—a profile, and most particularly a compose in which someone is driven to the act by the actions of others—tends to overlook the simplest driver: it is gratifying.

If there are myriad people that are bullied and only a few become spree shooters, but there are other spree shooters that weren’t bullied…and that is exactly where we are in terms of sampling…then it’s not part of the equation.

This is the same error that has affected understanding of serial killers for years. Deep profiling failed because it was never about distant mommies or cross-dressing or whatever. The only elements that have remained useful are a pattern of not displaying empathy. Same applies here.

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sagehen  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:36:59pm

re: #300 electrotek

I have never seen it, but holy cow this does not surprise me. I’ll add that to my list.

Very funny show; exec-produced by Samantha Bee and her husband Jason Jones. He also stars in it.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:37:44pm

re: #301 lawhawk

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:39:01pm

re: #290 Semper Fi

Wow! that was a nice call:
I just learned I have a Great Grandson who apparently just arrived. Total now is 4 great grandchildren. Makes me feel like I accomplished something. It is a good feeling.
All the horrible news we’re hearing…something makes me feel better but I have nothing to offer those who are feeling tremendous loss in Parkland.

I’ve always thought I was a fairly lucky man. Your luck is better by far. Congratulations.

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allegro  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:39:46pm

re: #301 lawhawk

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Amory Blaine  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:41:06pm

re: #233 DodgerFan1988

“Your dead kids don’t trump my Constitutional rights!”
- Joe The Plumber to the victim’s families of the 2014 Isla Vista Shooting.

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If prying the gun out of your cold dead hands is what it takes, so be it.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:41:15pm

re: #306 The Ghost of a Flea

Bullying might be worse these days, but I’m not sure that explains these kinds of shootings.

There’s no correlation of actual bullying that occurred to violent response.

I know I pound a very specific drum, but it’s relevant: there are people with less empathy, less impulse control, who perceive themselves as harmed by things like rejection, not being the center of attention, not receiving compliance from others. And of that set there are some who choose to use lethal force; and of that set, there are those that choose to lash out in general, or in a broad swath. It’s about enjoying the exercise of total power.

That’s what’s the same. The idea that there’s deep, explainable motives—a profile, and most particularly a compose in which someone is driven to the act by the actions of others—tends to overlook the simplest driver: it is gratifying.

If there are myriad people that are bullied and only a few become spree shooters, but there are other spree shooters that weren’t bullied…and that is exactly where we are in terms of sampling…then it’s not part of the equation.

This is the same error that has affected understanding of serial killers for years. Deep profiling failed because it was never about distant mommies or cross-dressing or whatever. The only elements that have remained useful are a pattern of not displaying empathy. Same applies here.

All of this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:41:50pm

re: #305 MsJ

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:43:29pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:44:19pm

re: #301 lawhawk

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:44:42pm

Uh oh. New user just registered with a name that’s setting off alarm bells.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:45:01pm

Libslayer1488?

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:45:37pm

re: #310 allegro

It’s that you have to actually find a Japanese mayo that is kosher. Mayo itself isn’t the problem. I’ve found other Japanese staples with kosher variations. It’s trying to find specific stuff like this that becomes an issue.

I even saw a kosher fish sauce (Red Boat) being touted at one point around Passover last year, but never could find any around here despite checking out a bunch of specialty stores.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:46:29pm

re: #315 Decatur Deb

That’s what I do now.

Lox substitutes for most everything :)

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:46:37pm

re: #317 Amory Blaine

Libslayer1488?

That’s not a name to give any benefit of the doubt to.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:46:44pm

I’ll wait and see what happens.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:47:01pm

re: #320 EPR-radar

That’s not a name to give any benefit of the doubt to.

Not the actual name.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:47:34pm

Sorry, I was being a wiseass.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:48:04pm

re: #319 lawhawk

That’s what I do now.

Lox substitutes for most everything :)

USAF had a great old safety film called The Man From Lox, but it was about something else.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:50:25pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:51:26pm

re: #324 Decatur Deb

USAF had a great old safety film called The Man From Lox, but it was about something else.

Good God, it’s on YT. Haven’t seen it in 30 years:

THE MAN FROM LOX LIQUID OXYGEN SAFETY & HANDLING PROCEDURES 81840

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:52:52pm
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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:53:21pm

re: #326 Decatur Deb

Big badda boom.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:53:22pm

re: #326 Decatur Deb

So is Primitive Pete!

ABC of Hand Tools 1

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:53:32pm

re: #318 lawhawk

It’s that you have to actually find a Japanese mayo that is kosher. Mayo itself isn’t the problem. I’ve found other Japanese staples with kosher variations. It’s trying to find specific stuff like this that becomes an issue.

I even saw a kosher fish sauce (Red Boat) being touted at one point around Passover last year, but never could find any around here despite checking out a bunch of specialty stores.

The other approach is to make your own. The trick might be the hon-dashi powder, which is fish-based. And I’m not sure if MSG is considered kosher. The dashi might be optional, the MSG less so.

I fully admit I’m not real familiar with the rules for keeping kosher so I defer to someone who is when it comes to what’s possible.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:54:23pm

OK, they posted a comment that wasn’t bad. May have been a false alarm.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:55:21pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:58:46pm

re: #328 lawhawk

Big badda boom.

“Got a film I wanna show ya.”

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:58:51pm

re: #332 Patricia Kayden

Igor rips all these craven GOPers a new one.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:59:13pm

re: #306 The Ghost of a Flea

Spree shooters are treated as some kind of rare bird, but they’re really just one illogical step beyond the everyday domestic murder or murder/suicide: Hollow narcissistic fucker makes another person suffer and die because it’s a re-assertion of power that they feel they’ve lost by being shamed, ignored, not given total compliance.

Which is why one of the most common backgrounders for spree shooters is…domestic violence.

(The other one being mild depression, because if you constantly felt the world couldn’t provide the exact level of fawning obedience required for you to feel whole, you’d be sad, too. Sort of like how serial killers get depressed when they can’t do their specific thing that makes them feel powerful.)

It’s a waste of time to romanticize them. They’re fucking simple.

*I’d apply this to serial killers as well. Most of them are incredibly boring when you realize it just comes down to two varieties: “I kill people because it’s an easy way of getting money or other needs” and the “I torture, I kill, and play with corpses, and eat and fuck corpse parts…because it makes me feel strong and aroused” with only slight variations.

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fern01  Feb 14, 2018 • 4:59:20pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart

I’m old enough to remember when such a thought was tantamount to a treasonable offense.

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Make the poor pay for infrastructure - the good ole american way

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:00:14pm

re: #321 Charles Johnson

I’ll wait and see what happens.

never mind

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:01:49pm

re: #330 klys (maker of Silmarils)

MSG isn’t the problem.. amazon.com

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:03:00pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:03:39pm

re: #336 fern01

Make the poor pay for infrastructure - the good ole american way

My memory may not be correct — but hasn’t this tax been in effect for decades? If so, it probably should be reviewed and increased to reflect the increase in costs for highway maintenance. The problem would be that hybrid and electric vehicles are not paying their way.

I have an idea: let’s repeal all of the Trump tax reform except for those provisions that help people earning less than 100,000 annually!! I bet that would help provide the finances needed to repair our infrastructure!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:04:41pm

re: #338 lawhawk

MSG isn’t the problem.. amazon.com

Then you can probably make something close enough to get the flavor profile in addition to the creaminess. :) I think the dashi could be skipped without having a huge impact on the overall flavor.

It’s a decent amount of work but the end result is really tasty and very different from the more traditional potato salads we think of here. (I tasted mine earlier and it’s very similar to the one we get at our favorite local izakaya so the recipe I liked above is pretty good.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:05:49pm

re: #338 lawhawk

MSG isn’t the problem.. amazon.com

It’s the dashi which has a fish base. There does not seem to be a kosher equivalent.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:06:02pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:06:06pm

re: #339 JordanRules

Answering why do people believe this crap is the only easy part of the puzzle.

People have a strong tendency to believe lies they like to hear vs. truths that are difficult one way or another. This applies to everyone.

Republicans have weaponized this natural tendency, and now subsist entirely on a diet of lies and willful stupidity.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:06:19pm

re: #334 lawhawk

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Igor rips all these craven GOPers a new one.

Not just GOPers — but also some Democrats afraid of losing their seats. How did Bernie vote on this?

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:06:55pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:07:00pm

The recipe only calls for 1/8 teaspoon of dashi so you could skip it and still enjoy the experience.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:08:00pm

re: #343 JordanRules

Another terrible relic from the Dubya era. That and letting the Clinton era federal assault weapons ban expire.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:08:12pm

re: #345 Hecuba’s daughter

Not just GOPers — but also some Democrats afraid of losing their seats. How did Bernie vote on this?

Sanders was a ‘yes’.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:08:24pm

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

The recipe only calls for 1/8 teaspoon of dashi so you could skip it and still enjoy the experience.

I am in general pro-skipping the dashi because I am not a big fish person.

It is a measure of my affection for mr. klys that I just did a whole batch of homemade dashi broth for his hot pot tonight.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:08:26pm

re: #342 The Vicious Babushka

The only near equivalent is a Red Boat fish sauce that is kosher certified (if you can find it). amazon.com

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:10:09pm

re: #350 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The fish sauce/dashi is all about getting the umami.

You could also probably get a similar result substituting with Worcestershire sauce.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:10:46pm

re: #345 Hecuba’s daughter

Not just GOPers — but also some Democrats afraid of losing their seats. How did Bernie vote on this?

The path from here to there is going to be very ugly. It will involve supporting Dems who vote the “other’ way, and will require STFU when necessary. Or we can continue to wring hands with boring regularity.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:11:12pm

re: #350 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Speaking in theory rather than from experience: dashi is kombu (seaweed) and katsuoboshi (dried skipjack) generally, but there’s also kombu-only—which is glutamate rich to MSG levels—and also kombu and shiitake mushroom.

Wouldn’t the latter two eliminate the issue?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:11:46pm

In related news: Bump stocks are still legal in most of the country.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:12:07pm
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:12:27pm

re: #257 DodgerFan1988

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:13:53pm
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allegro  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:14:32pm

Well my dinner *burp* was certainly not kosher but it sure was good. I’m trying to invent healthy versions of my favorite things and tonight was barbie tater, i.e. loaded baked potato topped with BBQ, usually brisket or pork. I started with a small baked potato, glopped on lots of Chobani Greek yogurt and chopped green onions then topped it with BBQ chicken. It was soooo good and came in at 400 calories. Enjoyed it every bit as much as its high calorie predecessor - probably more since it’s guilt-free. :)

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:14:43pm

re: #247 Scottish Dragon

Lot of talk about court packing….doubling the number of all federal benches and then stacking them with GOP wet dream nominees. Trump would appoint more judges than all other US Presidents combined.

They can’t do that without 60 votes in the Senate.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:15:56pm

re: #350 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:16:05pm

re: #359 allegro

Tonight for myself and Mrs. Fish was a splurge night - garlic butter T-bone steak, popcorn shrimp in the air fryer, asparagus, and a salad.

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allegro  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:18:57pm

re: #362 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Tonight for myself and Mrs. Fish was a splurge night - garlic butter T-bone steak, popcorn shrimp in the air fryer, asparagus, and a salad.

Show off. ;p

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:20:01pm

Senator Chris Murphy was impressive as usual on with Chris Hayes.

He discusses this as a social movement that is very, very slowly making progress thru the electoral process. He’s not being naive about it. It’s really underscoring our main remedy for all of the BS we’re dealing with that threatens our democracy. So it fits well with the message we need to keep pushing about voting.

He also doesn’t really wanna hear shit 45 has to say because he’ll likely make it worse.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:20:10pm

re: #355 Eclectic Cyborg

In related news: Bump stocks are still legal in most of the country shithole.

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fern01  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:20:54pm

re: #194 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

As soon as the Sandy Hook conspiracy theories started, I knew that something like today would happen. If a bunch of schoolchildren getting shot and killed doesn’t force the gun-fuckers to think second thoughts about gun ownership, literally nothing will.

Didn’t president Obama put VP Biden in charge of getting some gun control issues through congress? It always appeared to me that Obama was the only person who got anything contentious through congress during his 8 years. Clue for next Democratic President - get Pres Obama to take up the issue.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:22:09pm

re: #352 lawhawk

The fish sauce/dashi is all about getting the umami.

You could also probably get a similar result substituting with Worcestershire sauce.

Honestly the MSG is going to give you the same hit in the mayo so I wouldn’t think it’s a huge difference.

re: #354 The Ghost of a Flea

Speaking in theory rather than from experience: dashi is kombu (seaweed) and katsuoboshi (dried skipjack) generally, but there’s also kombu-only—which is glutamate rich to MSG levels—and also kombu and shiitake mushroom.

Wouldn’t the latter two eliminate the issue?

For me? Maybe.

mr. klys actually likes the stuff though. He’s big into saba - the flake mixture I got for the dashi I did today is actually 4 different types of dried fish,* including one type of saba. It smells quite strongly. This is not a lightly flavored dashi for the nabe tonight.

* Don’t ask me specifics, he’s the one that read the packaging. It’s all in Japanese.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:22:27pm

I decided to do all of my shopping on the day before the Chinese/Vietnamese New Year reunion dinner (nian ye fan), resulting in a very long line to get to the cashier and a large number of impulse purchases (but not the raw duck feet)…

…which I am now stress eating (but not the raw duck feet)….

Generally I clam up when these shootings happen—at least for awhile—but I’m overloaded and pissed.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:22:44pm

re: #363 allegro

Show off. ;p

Yes, but I guarantee that cost us a lot more than 400 calories. ;)

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:23:50pm

My favorite reply.

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allegro  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:24:06pm

re: #369 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yes, but I guarantee that cost us a lot more than 400 calories. ;)

It’s Valentine’s Day. I’m sure you’ll work it off after the kids are in bed. ;)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:24:53pm

re: #371 allegro

It’s Valentine’s Day. I’m sure you’ll work it off after the kids are in bed. ;)

You’re right, it’s certainly warm enough for a Pokewalk tonight.

//

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:25:16pm

re: #372 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

You’re right, it’s certainly warm enough for a Pokewalk tonight.

//

Damn kids and their smartphones these days…

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:25:57pm

re: #372 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Hey man, whatever you kids wanna call it is totally cool.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:26:00pm

Also, I saw my first live geoduck in person.

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fern01  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:26:55pm

re: #340 Hecuba’s daughter

My memory may not be correct — but hasn’t this tax been in effect for decades? If so, it probably should be reviewed and increased to reflect the increase in costs for highway maintenance. The problem would be that hybrid and electric vehicles are not paying their way.

I have an idea: let’s repeal all of the Trump tax reform except for those provisions that help people earning less than 100,000 annually!! I bet that would help provide the finances needed to repair our infrastructure!

Indirect taxes - sales tax, road taxes, gas tax - always hit the poor much more than the wealthy. Progressive income tax - where the wealthy pay a higher % of their higher income is what trump and the GOP have “reformed”. All US taxes are now regressive in that they hit the poorest the hardest.

Also, most hybrid and electric cars are not owned by the poorer members of the community. The latter tend to own 15+ year old gas guzzlers.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:27:37pm

I got to run so I hope all lizards have a very Happy Valentine’s Day.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:29:07pm

re: #367 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Saba is mackerel.

Which…not my bag either. I keep trying those oily fish and they keep doing nothing for me.

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allegro  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:30:11pm

re: #378 The Ghost of a Flea

Saba is mackerel.

Which…not my bag either. I keep trying those oily fish and they keep doing nothing for me.

But they’re holy! I hear that all the time.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:30:59pm

re: #378 The Ghost of a Flea

Saba is mackerel.

Which…not my bag either. I keep trying those oily fish and they keep doing nothing for me.

Oh, I know saba is mackerel. It’s the other 3 types in the bag I’m less clear on.

Saba is one of mr. klys’s favorite fish.

I hate fishy fish.

TRUE LOVE, I tell you, that I have made the house smell like this for him.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:31:31pm

re: #379 allegro

Mackerel is the opiate of the masses.

Or so I was told by some communist herring.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:32:20pm

re: #380 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So that first sentence should have had a question mark rather than period.

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BigBadDemocrat  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:32:59pm

Many people knew the guy was trouble!

The ones who saw his crazy actions and talk on the internet should have called the cops on this guy!

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:35:51pm

Whoa!

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:37:27pm

re: #354 The Ghost of a Flea

Speaking in theory rather than from experience: dashi is kombu (seaweed) and katsuoboshi (dried skipjack) generally, but there’s also kombu-only—which is glutamate rich to MSG levels—and also kombu and shiitake mushroom.

Wouldn’t the latter two eliminate the issue?

Significant other uses both methods. I think the katsuoboshi is her usual go-to, but for nabe I think it’s usually konbu.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:37:31pm

re: #384 JordanRules

Too quick. Of 2018. D’oh!

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:38:22pm

re: #337 Scottish Dragon

We all know what 1488 means. Jesus.

Not that suspect nic. A more arguable one cropped up.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:39:04pm
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guachi  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:39:34pm

re: #384 JordanRules

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Whoa!

Actual article says “highest opening day of 2018” which is a bit different than “highest opening day”.

Still, it’ll do quite well at the box office. Should top $100 million in the US.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:41:01pm
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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:42:19pm

re: #389 guachi

Yes, I’m thinking we’ll get the huge numbers here for sure.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:43:08pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:43:13pm

Priebus is starting his striptease:

“Who Needs a Controversy Over the Inauguration?”: Reince Priebus Opens Up About His Six Months of Magical Thinking

vanityfair.com

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:43:42pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:44:03pm

The deadliest high school shooting in U.S. history occurred today.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:44:17pm

re: #385 Barefoot Grin

I don’t really cook Japanese at all, but I’ve read cookbooks, so it’s like reading a language you can’t speak.

I kind of want to learn some, but my pantry is already overstuffed without stocking in for yet another cuisine. There is no room at the inn right now.

I’ve been doing Georgian for three months. I think Thai/Burmese is going to be next.

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Brian J.  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:45:35pm

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bet he almost regrets conspiring to put a fascist in the Oval… nah. It’ll pass, like anyone giving a damn about some dead kids in Florida. The gun is all that protects us from the dark-skinned, you know!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:45:48pm

re: #390 Ace-o-aces

PoliticalDiva is full-on nuts. Her Twitter banner is Trump looking like a dictator, and she retweets Bill Mitchel.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:46:21pm
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Brian J.  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:47:15pm

re: #285 dangerman

imo “gun control” can never and will never happen

gun accountability is possible - slowly and over a long period of time

now back to the lamb chops and green beans

Nope. It’ll have to happen all at once when the opportunity arises… but it probably won’t. Maybe when the USA government falls like the old Soviet one, our new rulers will impose civilization on us.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:49:13pm

re: #400 Brian J.

Nope. It’ll have to happen all at once when the opportunity arises… but it probably won’t. Maybe when the USA government falls like the old Soviet one, our new rulers will impose civilization on us.

First we have to make the opportunity arise. Do you know anyone who doesn’t vote?

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:49:40pm

re: #395 teleskiguy

The deadliest high school shooting in U.S. history occurred today.

With more than double the fatalities of Al Capone’s St. Valentine’s Day Massacre, and where none of the victims were mobsters.

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:50:10pm

re: #336 fern01

Make the poor pay for infrastructure - the good ole american way

I’m old enough to remember, all too clearly, the segregation days, when in almost any small southern city you could tell when you were about to enter the “colored” section because that was where the pavement ended.

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Brian J.  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:50:56pm

re: #400 Brian J.

Nope. It’ll have to happen all at once when the opportunity arises… but it probably won’t. Maybe when the USA government falls like the old Soviet one, our new rulers will impose civilization on us.

You don’t want most of them voting, sadly. They’re white people in Louisiana.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:51:37pm

re: #396 The Ghost of a Flea

I don’t really cook Japanese at all, but I’ve read cookbooks, so it’s like reading a language you can’t speak.

I kind of want to learn some, but my pantry is already overstuffed without stocking in for yet another cuisine. There is no room at the inn right now.

I’ve been doing Georgian for three months. I think Thai/Burmese is going to be next.

Georgian sounds intriguing! I love Thai (though I’ve only had it in America) and I’ve heard wonderful things about Burmese. But….

It looks like I may get to go back to Japan in May! I’m going to eat all the things!

406
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:52:53pm

PoliticalDiva already blocked me. Trumpanzees really hate when reality intrudes into their bubble.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:52:58pm

re: #404 Brian J.

You don’t want most of them voting, sadly. They’re white people in Louisiana.

You go to the polls with the electorate you’ve got, not the electorate you might want.

(Used to work for that asshole SecDef.)

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:55:04pm

re: #403 whitebeach

I’m old enough to remember, all too clearly, the segregation days, when in almost any small southern city you could tell when you were about to enter the “colored” section because that was where the pavement ended.

I had no idea it was that stark.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:55:28pm

re: #403 whitebeach

I’m old enough to remember, all too clearly, the segregation days, when in almost any small southern city you could tell when you were about to enter the “colored” section because that was where the pavement ended.

Shit. My street doesn’t have sidewalks now, and I’m white.

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Brian J.  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:55:47pm

re: #408 EPR-radar

I had no idea it was that stark.

Hell, in many towns, those places are still there!

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:56:29pm

Fuck you Bekah!

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:58:44pm

re: #408 EPR-radar

Crossing from Detroit to Grosse Pointe is some of the starkest shit I’ve ever seen.

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plansbandc  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:59:27pm

re: #306 The Ghost of a Flea

Bullying doesn’t explain it. Dude and I were both relentlessly bullied to the point of us spending many days walking home from school crying. (Different places, somewhat different generations, but relentless bullying for both of us.) Yet, even though we both knew how to use guns—he had access to lots of guns, I did not—neither one of us decided to go shoot up a school, church, baseball game, etc. etc.

It’s not bullying, it’s something more. Maybe it’s no hope. Maybe these people were never fully loved. Or maybe it’s the goddamn easy access to pretty much any gun anyone wants without any checks on that privilege.

I don’t expect anything to change, since I don’t think we have an America anymore. And this is why I despair more every day.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 5:59:57pm

re: #411 JordanRules

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Fuck you Bekah!

If open discourse wasn’t code for promoting racists and Nazis, that wouldn’t sound so bad. Trump is a really good argument for decentralizing power.

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:00:01pm

re: #395 teleskiguy

The deadliest high school shooting in U.S. history occurred today.

In a year or two nobody except the survivors and the friends and kin of the victims will remember the name of the school or the town. The most recent two or three mass shootings will have pushed all that to the back shelf. So it fucking goes in the gun old USA.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:00:53pm

re: #413 plansbandc

Bullying doesn’t explain it. Dude and I were both relentlessly bullied to the point of us spending many days walking home from school crying. (Different places, somewhat different generations, but relentless bullying for both of us.) Yet, even though we both knew how to use guns—he had access to lots of guns, I did not—neither one of us decided to go shoot up a school, church, baseball game, etc. etc.

It’s not bullying, it’s something more. Maybe it’s no hope. Maybe these people were never fully loved. Or maybe it’s the goddamn easy access to pretty much any gun anyone wants without any checks on that privilege.

I don’t expect anything to change, since I don’t think we have an America anymore. And this is why I despair more every day.

I never shot up the school, but I did push one of my bullies down the stairs. I was never bullied again.

417
EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:01:32pm

re: #411 JordanRules

If the revolution comes, Rebekah Mercer will be one of the first up against the wall, deservedly so.

418
teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:02:25pm

re: #406 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

PoliticalDiva already blocked me. Trumpanzees really hate when reality intrudes into their bubble.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:03:04pm

re: #416 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I never shot up the school, but I did push one of my bullies down the stairs. I was never bullied again.

One of my biggest regrets is that I never really fought back against the bullying I got in school.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:03:12pm

re: #418 teleskiguy

Block in 5…4…3…2…1

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:03:13pm

A couple folks asked what the gift mentioned this morning for Valentines would be. In addition to a couple silver necklaces, a nice goblet.

Facebook Post

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:03:55pm

re: #419 EPR-radar

One of my biggest regrets is that I never really fought back against the bullying I got in school.

I didn’t until I snapped. Being bullied still fucked me up for at least a decade.

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JordanRules  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:04:03pm

re: #421 Unshaken Defiance

That’s lovely!

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whitebeach  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:04:43pm

re: #409 Decatur Deb

Shit. My street doesn’t have sidewalks now, and I’m white.

Pavement, deb, not sidewalks. Sidewalks there would have been like asking for a path of emeralds.

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Brian J.  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:05:21pm

re: #415 whitebeach

In a year or two nobody except the survivors and the friends and kin of the victims will remember the name of the school or the town. The most recent two or three mass shooting will have pushed all that to the back shelf. So it fucking goes in the gun old USA.

And it won’t affect even them. The white families will blissfully support the same policies that robbed them of their relatives because otherwise THEY might win.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:11:06pm

re: #422 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I didn’t until I snapped. Being bullied still fucked me up for at least a decade.

It’s a lifetime sentence for me, I’m afraid.

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MsJ  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:11:40pm

re: #393 Decatur Deb

Priebus is starting his striptease:

“Who Needs a Controversy Over the Inauguration?”: Reince Priebus Opens Up About His Six Months of Magical Thinking

vanityfair.com

That’s some article right there. Wow.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:12:58pm

re: #426 EPR-radar

It’s a lifetime sentence for me, I’m afraid.

An antidepressant fixed me.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:13:13pm

re: #424 whitebeach

Pavement, deb, not sidewalks. Sidewalks there would have been like asking for a path of emeralds.

Our town paved the last of its streets in the last ten years. When we got here, a brightly-lit 4-lane was named the “George C. Wallace Great White Way.” It’s been renamed.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 14, 2018 • 6:21:13pm

re: #413 plansbandc

The way I see it, we’re talking about people who struggle to see other people as things-unto-themselves, not as having use value. That’s the grand difference, and individuals experiences make that hole in their perception manifest in different ways.

Hence why I think it’s important that there’s a trend of domestic violence and spree violence. Same dehumanization, different fields of focus.

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Semper Fi  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:06:28pm

re: #309 whitebeach

I’ve always thought I was a fairly lucky man. Your luck is better by far. Congratulations.

Thank you

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retired cynic  Feb 14, 2018 • 7:55:50pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

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Who is the “MAGA Hat Fool” in that tweet?

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retired cynic  Feb 14, 2018 • 8:05:05pm

re: #287 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I have owed mr. klys a kani nabe (crab hot pot) for his birthday for about three years now. I picked up the induction cooker and a hot pot that would work for it for our anniversary and am about 3/4 of the way through the pre-cooking. It will include homemade dashi, momiji oroshi, cabbage-spinach rolls, and I also did Japanese potato salad because did I mention that I don’t actually eat crab?

I would happily eat your share of the crab.


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