UPDATE: White House-Accredited Fake News Blog Gateway Pundit Tries to Duck Responsibility in Doxing the Wrong Person for the Florida Shooting

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Jim Hoft (r), owner of the far right White House-accredited fake news blog Gateway Pundit

As we reported yesterday, the White House-accredited blog Gateway Pundit (home of the fabled “Stupidest Man on the Internet,” Jim Hoft) published the personal details of someone they claimed was the Florida high school shooter, based on one tweet that spelled his name wrong. Writer Lucian Wintrich doxed the wrong person in his rush to pin the blame for the mass shooting on the left.

This was the screaming headline they originally put on this massive fail of an article:

The original is stored at archive.is, for posterity, including the word “Florida” misspelled as “Flordia,” not once but three times.

And today, Wintrich is laughably trying to cover up this massive fail by claiming it was someone else who identified and outed the wrong person.

They’ve deleted their screenshot of the wrong person’s voter registration details, and the headline now reads:

“Some sources!” That’s rich. You almost have to admire the gall it takes to try to duck responsibility for their malicious screw-up so blatantly.

(The word “Florida” is still misspelled in this updated and sanitized article, by the way.)

The mainstream news outlets that originally published an incorrect name for the shooter all corrected their articles as soon as the right name was reported — but only Gateway Pundit rushed to look up personal details and recklessly published them, and only Gateway Pundit claimed the shooter was a registered Democrat in their typical haste to blame the mass murder on Democrats and the left.

Lucian Wintrich is an officially accredited White House correspondent.

And in fact, the accused Florida mass murderer has an extensive history of far right sympathies, including a reported association with a notorious militant white supremacist group. (Update: local authorities now say they’ve found no evidence to confirm this report. See the link below.)

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electrotek  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:36:01am

I hope he gets bankrupt and penniless in the streets.

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Skip Intro  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:36:48am

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Sir John Barron  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:37:49am

I almost read this as—

And today, Wintrich Wingnut is laughably trying to cover up this massive fail by claiming it was someone else who identified and outed the wrong person.

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KGxvi  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:38:50am

Defamation, invasion of privacy, intentional infliction of emotional distress, negligent infliction of emotional distress, negligence… there’s so many causes of action they could hit them with.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:39:14am

re: #1 electrotek

I hope he gets bankrupt and penniless in the streets.

No, this is the key to success. He has seen that they can say whatever they want and suffer no consequences from it.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:40:45am

Seriously…this is really disturbing so click at your discretion, but it should be seen.

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KGxvi  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:40:47am

re: #5 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

No, this is the key to success. He has seen that they can say whatever they want and suffer no consequences from it.

One of these days, they’re going to doxx someone who is actually a lawyer, or married to a lawyer, and they’ll be able to tap into a network of people willing to ruin his life.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:42:36am
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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:42:47am

re: #7 KGxvi

One of these days, they’re going to doxx someone who is actually a lawyer, or married to a lawyer, and they’ll be able to tap into a network of people willing to ruin his life.

Paul Newman and his uncle santos in absence of mailce

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:43:27am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:44:44am
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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:45:44am
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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:47:45am
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Mattand  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:48:05am

re: #6 Scottish Dragon

This cartoon should win the fucking Pulitzer Prize, IMO. It perfectly encapsulates the problem.

Just got off of a FB post featuring this, where (shockingly) one person is more upset about the potential for military-grade weapons being banned from civilians than he is about all the FL school kids lying pools of their own blood.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:50:46am

I would like to point out that the only reason Cruz didn’t have a fully automatic machine gun is that they were outlawed for private use before LaPierre was born. Otherwise, it would be perfectly legal for anyone to acquire such a weapon. The AR-15 and every similar weapon should be treated the same way as a machine gun.

Of course, we will first have to destroy the NRA and every similar organization.

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KGxvi  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:51:45am

re: #9 dangerman

Paul Newman and his uncle santos in absence of mailce

Except the person they are doxxing is not a public person, they are not even a limited public person. So the malice standard doesn’t apply. And even if the malice standard applied: reckless disregard for the truth of the statements made. That’s provable with these idiots.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:52:45am

re: #14 Mattand

This cartoon should win the fucking Pulitzer Prize, IMO. It perfectly encapsulates the problem.

Just got off of a FB post featuring this, where (shockingly) one person is more upset about the potential for military-grade weapons being banned from civilians than he is about all the FL school kids lying pools of their own blood.

Not shocking to me at all — after Sandy Hook, my NRA Breitbart loving “friend” did not express any concern for the deaths of children; he only cared about any minimal gun restrictions. These people are evil.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:53:23am
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:53:33am
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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:54:07am

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

What are they voting on?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:54:42am

re: #20 Belafon

What are they voting on?

DACA

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:55:19am
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Mike Lamb  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:56:03am

re: #19 Scottish Dragon

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Ah, the pedantry begins…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:56:33am

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

DACA

more broadly, immigration reform

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Mike Lamb  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:56:49am

Have we reached the point in the proceedings where some pastor explains that this happens because we don’t have God in schools?

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:56:59am

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

DACA

OK. We must all remind people that this vote occurred because of Schumer and Democrats in the Senate. And it must be equally pointed out that this vote probably would not have occurred had he held on for more than a few days and turned public sentiment against it.

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Skip Intro  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:57:43am

re: #25 Mike Lamb

Have we reached the point in the proceedings where some pastor explains that this happens because we don’t have God in schools?

By tomorrow, at the latest, is my bet.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:57:49am

re: #19 Scottish Dragon

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The pedantic bs is why I gave up any hope of reasonably discussing this issue with the gun absolutists I know. I admit it, I’m not a gun expert but you know what, I don’t have to be to see what these are capable of.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:58:16am

I’m guessing this is why the WH is pissed off at Lindsey:

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:58:19am

re: #25 Mike Lamb

They’ll be preaching it on Sunday for sure.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:58:28am

Did I get an award?!!?

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Scout  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:58:50am

If the facts here bear out, this is one amazing story:

“He hid in a closet while his family was murdered during the first mass shooting in America. Almost 70 years later, I also hid in a closet from a murderer.”

Florida Shooting Survivor Hid In Closet Almost 70 Years After Grandpa Hid From Shooter

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Decatur Deb  Feb 15, 2018 • 11:59:40am

re: #25 Mike Lamb

Have we reached the point in the proceedings where some pastor explains that this happens because we don’t have God in schools?

Check the KY Governor’s belches from this morning.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:00:03pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:00:58pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:01:14pm

re: #33 Decatur Deb

Check the KY Governor’s belches from this morning.

God, what did Bevin say now?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:02:15pm

We need more Democrats unafraid to call the NRA out. That’s why I like Chris Murphy of Connecticut.

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:02:59pm

re: #12 JordanRules

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that video last week of the guy accosting the woman at the subway stop in LA i think?
it was posted here

iirc wasnt he yelling something about trump as well as all the racist nonsense

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:03:15pm

re: #36 Big Beautiful Door

God, what did Bevin say now?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:03:56pm

re: #36 Big Beautiful Door

God, what did Bevin say now?

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:05:18pm

re: #16 KGxvi

Except the person they are doxxing is not a public person, they are not even a limited public person. So the malice standard doesn’t apply. And even if the malice standard applied: reckless disregard for the truth of the statements made. That’s provable with these idiots.

you are right of course
i was focusing on “they’ll be able to tap into a network of people willing to ruin his life”

how he with the help of his uncle took down the DA, the weasel strike force investigator, and pwned the newspaper

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:05:25pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sigh.

I’d point out all the bullshit in this but you all know and agree and it’s not likely to change anyone else’s mind.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:05:31pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I can think of one thing all school shootings have in common. C’mon Governor, you can too if you try!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:05:48pm

heh

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Mike Lamb  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:05:57pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Because the NRA’s influence is somehow wholly independent from the “culture” in the US…

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:06:08pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

1. There was a study showing no correlation between video games and actual violence.
2. There was a tweet that showed that Fox was turning people into what they said video games and rock music were going to.

Both seem applicable here.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:06:54pm

Also, because the whole thread was great but this chart in particular:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:08:22pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:08:49pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:10:01pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nikolas Cruz Trained With White Supremacists, Wore Trump Hat

He is being spun as a mentally disturbed lone wolf, who obviously had nothing to do with this group, its ideology or the people who actively promote their program.

WhIteSIS

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:11:09pm

re: #26 Belafon

OK. We must all remind people that this vote occurred because of Schumer and Democrats in the Senate. And it must be equally pointed out that this vote probably would not have occurred had he held on for more than a few days and turned public sentiment against it.

this is kind of interesting:

The Clock Is Not Ticking on DACA
The longer Democrats wait to cut a deal, the more leverage they will have.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:12:25pm

re: #50 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is being spun as a mentally disturbed lone wolf, who obviously had nothing to do with this group, its ideology or the people who actively promote their program.

WhIteSIS

Who trained with other mentally unstable “lone-wolves” to kill people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:12:42pm
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Interesting Times  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:12:48pm

Good one:

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:13:15pm

re: #49 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This is also probably the reason why folks here occasionally end up blocked by some of the higher profile tweeps like Stonekettle or ABL. If you start having an argument with someone else in a reply chain and you don’t pull them out of the reply-to stuff, well, I’m pretty sure both of them have a policy of blocking folks who carry on arguments in their mentions. Stonekettle might give a warning, but it’s really common courtesy to clean up the replies so you’re not filling up someone’s mentions with an argument they didn’t ask to be involved in.

Be a good Twitter citizen and if you decide you have to engage with someone, consider carefully who needs to be on the reply list.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:13:57pm

huffingtonpost.com

The Republic of Florida, a white nationalist militia, confirmed Thursday that the man charged in Wednesday’s school shooting in Parkland, Florida, was involved in some of its activities.
Jordan Jereb, a leader within the group, told The Associated Press that shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz had participated in the group’s paramilitary drills in Tallahassee.

Jereb also told the Anti-Defamation League that Cruz had carpooled to the training exercises with other members of the group. He said Cruz had been “brought up” by a member of ROF, though it was not clear what this meant.
Cruz, 19, has been charged with 17 counts of premeditated murder in Wednesday’s shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.
Jereb told the AP that Cruz had “trouble with a girl” and thinks that may have been linked to him carrying out the attack on Valentine’s Day.
Jereb also told The Daily Beast that ROF bought Cruz at least one of his guns. He speculated that Cruz’s training with the group helped him carry out Wednesday’s massacre.
“I’m not trying to glorify it, but he was pretty efficient in what he did,” Jereb said. “He probably used that training to do what he did
.”

These guys need to be classified as a terrorist group and prosecuted.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:14:15pm

re: #50 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is being spun as a mentally disturbed lone wolf, who obviously had nothing to do with this group, its ideology or the people who actively promote their program.

WhIteSIS

Evergreen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:15:23pm
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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:15:40pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:17:27pm

re: #56 Scottish Dragon

huffingtonpost.com

These guys need to be classified as a terrorist group and prosecuted.

There is a template for doing this:

FT. SMITH, ARK. — The indictments of 15 white supremacists here and in Denver late last week on charges of sedition, conspiracy and civil rights violations involve a nationwide government effort that authorities say is aimed at breaking the back of America`s violence-prone racist movement.

The grand jury action in Arkansas capped a week-long, nationwide law enforcement initiative against a raft of hate groups.

These groups` activities came under scrutiny after a cadre of neo-Nazis called The Order was linked to a spree of racially motivated robberies and murders that began in 1984.

Court actions against ultra-right figures have been launched in Illinois, Colorado, California, Idaho, North Carolina and Arkansas as prosecutors began disclosing information culled in a lengthy investigation code-named “Clean Sweep.“

In Denver, indictments for civil rights violations were issued on Friday against four people in one of the most spectacular of the Order crimes, the machine-gun slaying in 1984 of Alan Berg, the controversial host of a Denver radio talk show.

One member of the Berg hit squad, Robert Jay Matthews, leader of The Order, died in an 1984 shootout with police. The other four suspects are in federal prison after convictions for earlier Order crimes.

Leading the list of those indicted in Arkansas were the Rev. Richard Butler, head of the Idaho-based Aryan Nations neo-Nazi group, and Robert Miles, a neo-Nazi and Klan leader in Cochtah, Mich. The two are widely considered the top elders in the hate movement.

Also indicted on sedition was Louis Beam, a Texas Klan leader who established a nationwide computer bulletin board linking racist groups.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:18:05pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Poor kid.

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:18:31pm

re: #51 dangerman

this is kind of interesting:

The Clock Is Not Ticking on DACA
The longer Democrats wait to cut a deal, the more leverage they will have.

There’s parts of that I agree with, but I don’t actually think Trump is scared of the consequences of deportation. That’s why he’s balking at the deal right now. He was never going to agree with a bipartisan deal.

I do agree that Democrats don’t need to take anything that sacrifices one group of immigrants for another. I didn’t mind Schumer’s concession of money for the wall because the wall is going to take longer to build than Trump will be in office.

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:19:04pm

re: #52 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Who trained with other mentally unstable “lone-wolves” to kill people.

q: what do they become when a bunch of lone-wolves congregate in the same den?

a: not lone- anything

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:19:20pm

Of course, these efforts to break up & imprison dangerous, batshit crazy gun-nuts before they could massacre innocent Americans —

these efforts all took place before said batshit crazy mass murderers formed “The Base” of the Republican party.

The GOP has been hijacked by mass murderers. God help us all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:20:25pm

another of the students:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:21:04pm
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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:21:25pm

re: #63 dangerman

q: what do they become when a bunch of lone-wolves congregate in the same den?

a: not lone- anything

re: #56 Scottish Dragon

huffingtonpost.com

These guys need to be classified as a terrorist group and prosecuted.

my work here is done

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:21:39pm
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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:22:27pm

For those of you paying more attention than me, what is in the bill in the Senate right now?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:22:30pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

another of the students:

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Sir John Barron  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:23:11pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

another of the students:

The compassionate wingnut 2A absolutists will absolutely be kind to this kid who was in the line of fire.

/

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Sir John Barron  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:23:48pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

Poor MAGAbots will have to stay home

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:24:05pm

re: #62 Belafon

There’s parts of that I agree with, but I don’t actually think Trump is scared of the consequences of deportation. That’s why he’s balking at the deal right now. He was never going to agree with a bipartisan deal.

I do agree that Democrats don’t need to take anything that sacrifices one group of immigrants for another. I didn’t mind Schumer’s concession of money for the wall because the wall is going to take longer to build than Trump will be in office.

yep
specificalyl, though. he may not be scared of how deportations will look. he should be

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Charles Johnson  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:24:50pm

re: #55 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This is also probably the reason why folks here occasionally end up blocked by some of the higher profile tweeps like Stonekettle or ABL. If you start having an argument with someone else in a reply chain and you don’t pull them out of the reply-to stuff, well, I’m pretty sure both of them have a policy of blocking folks who carry on arguments in their mentions. Stonekettle might give a warning, but it’s really common courtesy to clean up the replies so you’re not filling up someone’s mentions with an argument they didn’t ask to be involved in.

Be a good Twitter citizen and if you decide you have to engage with someone, consider carefully who needs to be on the reply list.

Absolutely right - I also sometimes block people who insist on including me in endless pointless arguments and filling up my mentions with things I have no interest in.

Twitter does have a “Mute This Conversation” option now, but it’s very porous and doesn’t work well enough. Sometimes blocking people is the only way to stop it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:25:03pm

good freaking grief

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:26:13pm
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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:28:19pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

Was the Las Vegas shooter orphaned as a kid? Was Dylan Roof? What about the Texas shooter?

Because they all have AR-15 in common.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:29:05pm

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief

I’m sure they and their parents appreciate this.

spit

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Sir John Barron  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:29:40pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

So we’re gonna give every kid two loving parents forever?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:30:11pm

re: #56 Scottish Dragon

JJ MacNab finds all the claims questionable. in this thread and other replies to people she basically characterizes Jordan Jereb as a serious shit stirrer

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Bubblehead II  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:30:24pm

re: #57 Big Beautiful Door

Evergreen.

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Should have a /Lone Wolf as well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:30:29pm

with a school shooting now happening about every other day, the yam might as well just leave that flag at half staff.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:30:29pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

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makeitstop  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:31:53pm

re: #25 Mike Lamb

Have we reached the point in the proceedings where some pastor explains that this happens because we don’t have God in schools?

Well, we passed ‘violent video games’ this morning, so…yeah, any minute now, I guess.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:33:15pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:37:54pm

The mother just on CNN screaming & crying to trump.

my god.

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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:38:23pm

Regarding Trump and the Republicans rolling back the ADA (Disabilities Act).

That is so Trump. Probably the biggest costs associated with the ADA is with builders and all the aids they have to put into buildings to help disabled people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:38:52pm

re: #32 Scout

If the facts here bear out, this is one amazing story:

“He hid in a closet while his family was murdered during the first mass shooting in America. Almost 70 years later, I also hid in a closet from a murderer.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:40:11pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea

The mother just on CNN screaming & crying to trump.

my god.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:40:58pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:42:07pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

My God.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:42:39pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My Grandfather’s mothrrvwas orphaned by sixteen. No murders. Just enjoying cold beers after laundry.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:43:00pm

re: #80 FormerDirtDart

JJ MacNab finds all the claims questionable. in this thread and other replies to people she basically characterizes Jordan Jereb as a serious shit stirrer

Hmm.

He is still doing a great job of talking himself into federal charges.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:43:59pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Why are they politicizing this?//

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Interesting Times  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:44:27pm
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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:44:38pm

re: #80 FormerDirtDart

Yeah, Im not convinced, but I’m glad this terrorist group is now a known entity by more folks.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:44:53pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

“A twice-orphaned 19-year-old with a troubled past….”

You cannot underestimate the power of family with two strong and loving parents.

But the left would rather talk #GunControl

— 🇺🇸MFLYNNJR🇺🇸 (@mflynnJR) February 15, 2018

Translation: Guns don’t kill people, people without parents kill people

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:44:56pm

re: #93 Scottish Dragon

Hmm.

He is still doing a great job of talking himself into federal charges.

in the meantime, he’s grifting funds.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:46:32pm
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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:47:57pm

re: #83 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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as an aside, wft is “twice orphaned”?

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Bubblehead II  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:48:10pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Absolutely right - I also sometimes block people who insist on including me in endless pointless arguments and filling up my mentions with things I have no interest in.

Twitter does have a “Mute This Conversation” option now, but it’s very porous and doesn’t work well enough. Sometimes blocking people is the only way to stop it.

Probably guilty of this. Just figured out how to decouple/unlink individuals in a response/retweet today. It’s actually very easy. Just didn’t know you could do it.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:48:32pm

re: #96 JordanRules

Yeah, Im not convinced, but I’m glad this terrorist group is now a known entity by more folks.

And, that is apparently something Jordan Jereb has hoped to achieve in the past.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:48:45pm

re: #100 dangerman

as an aside, wft is “twice orphaned”?

His parents died, and his adoptive parents died.

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Jay C  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:48:48pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

IIJM, or is this outpouring of social-media pleas from the surviving victims/targets of the Parkland shooting - basically a call to “Authority” to cut the bullshit and start doing something substantive about the sick level of gun violence in this country - something new?

In most other school shootings, as I seem to recall, the “survivors” have generally been kept away from the press (for the most part) and left to deal with the emotional fallout between themselves/their families/grief counselors, etc.: It looks like something different here: the students themselves calling out the hollow “thoughts-and-prayers” boilerplate, and demanding action.

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Targetpractice  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:49:49pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Both Sides,” dontchaknow?

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electrotek  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:49:49pm

Are there any articles that talk in detail of the shooter’s hatred of Muslims?

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Stanley Sea  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:50:10pm
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electrotek  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:50:55pm

re: #107 Stanley Sea

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Pendejo

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Dr. Matt  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:51:04pm

re: #106 electrotek

Are there any articles that talk in detail of the shooter’s hatred of Muslims?

Nikolas Cruz’s Instagram Profile Contains Trump MAGA Hat.
heavy.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:51:05pm

re: #104 Jay C

IIJM, or is this outpouring of social-media pleas from the surviving victims/targets of the Parkland shooting - basically a call to “Authority” to cut the bullshit and start doing something substantive about the sick level of gun violence in this country - something new?

In most other school shootings, as I seem to recall, the “survivors” have generally been kept away from the press (for the most part) and left to deal with the emotional fallout between themselves/their families/grief counselors, etc.: It looks like something different here: the students themselves calling out the hollow “thoughts-and-prayers” boilerplate, and demanding action.

The kids this time were very active on social media while this was all going down, and were dealing with assholes from the get-go. They aren’t stopping now.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:52:06pm

re: #107 Stanley Sea

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Useless Rubio strikes again.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:52:32pm
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makeitstop  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:52:42pm

Hmm. Multiple meetings.

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:52:46pm

re: #104 Jay C

IIJM, or is this outpouring of social-media pleas from the surviving victims/targets of the Parkland shooting - basically a call to “Authority” to cut the bullshit and start doing something substantive about the sick level of gun violence in this country - something new?

In most other school shootings, as I seem to recall, the “survivors” have generally been kept away from the press (for the most part) and left to deal with the emotional fallout between themselves/their families/grief counselors, etc.: It looks like something different here: the students themselves calling out the hollow “thoughts-and-prayers” boilerplate, and demanding action.

Yes. I think it has to do with all the available video, tweets, and that they are older. It’s a bit harder to shut them up. That’s why I think this is different.

Now, here’s the problem: Keeping this from getting swamped by something else Trump does.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:53:17pm

re: #108 electrotek

Pendejo

You’re far too kind. Fucker loves to act like he gives a shit about immigrants but he’s nothing but a fraud who does what the far right wants.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:53:43pm
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petesh  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:53:49pm

re: #87 ObserverArt

Regarding Trump and the Republicans rolling back the ADA (Disabilities Act).

That is so Trump. Probably the biggest costs associated with the ADA is with builders and all the aids they have to put into buildings to help disabled people.

Don’t those builders get paid? Oh, wait, it’s Trump. He thinks they don’t because his don’t.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:54:27pm

I am still in decompression mode over yesterday. Last night I just turned the TV off and listened to several operas—Tom Jones, The Tales Of Hoffman and The Mikado.

Today just watching DVD’s Munchhausen, The General, Speedy, Thief of Bagdad and more are in the pile to be watched.

I have to get my mind off of those innocent kids slaughtered in the New St. Valentine’s Day Massacre and knowing that the NRA’s bought and paid for rubber stamps will let these executions continue unchecked.

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Weaselone  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:54:51pm

re: #107 Stanley Sea

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That’s expected. What about the 3 Democrats who voted no?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:55:27pm

re: #112 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

We need to put the Initiative and Referendum into the Federal Constitution.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:55:38pm

re: #117 petesh

Cuts into profits. That’s all they care about.

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Kragar  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:57:51pm
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Kragar  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:58:38pm
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Dr. Matt  Feb 15, 2018 • 12:59:17pm

Senate rejects centrist immigration bill after Trump veto threat

The centrist deal, backed by Sens. Susan Collins (Maine), Jeff Flake (Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (S.C.) and other Republicans…..

Flake and Graham are now considered “centrists”. FFS.

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Targetpractice  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:00:14pm

re: #124 Kragar

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“But the real danger is all them illegals! We build a wall and they all go away!!”

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Sir John Barron  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:00:43pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m old enough to remember when conservatives routinely mocked people who rationalized bad acts because of the poor/underprivileged background of the criminal.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:00:47pm

re: #102 FormerDirtDart

Yeah, I figured we wanted the same thing for different reasons.
I do think sunlight is needed and I also want folks they target to have information so that they might protect themselves.

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:01:34pm

re: #119 Joe Bacon 🌹

I am still in decompression mode over yesterday. Last night I just turned the TV off and listened to several operas—Tom Jones, The Tales Of Hoffman and The Mikado.

Today just watching DVD’s Munchhausen, The General, Speedy, Thief of Bagdad and more are in the pile to be watched.

I have to get my mind off of those innocent kids slaughtered in the New St. Valentine’s Day Massacre and knowing that the NRA’s bought and paid for rubber stamps will let these executions continue unchecked.

an excellent prescription

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KGxvi  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:01:44pm

re: #108 electrotek

Pendejo

coño, pinche cabron, puta de madre…

It’s a fucking shame he’s there to take such important stands for the next five years.

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Kragar  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:01:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:02:02pm

re: #127 Sir John Barron

I’m old enough to remember when conservatives routinely mocked people who rationalized bad acts because of the poor/underprivileged background of the criminal.

Only when they’re not white.

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:02:58pm

re: #124 Kragar

The GOP has an agenda.

They want to see more dead Americans.

That is why they refuse to address #guncontrol, gut healthcare, raise taxes on the poor and middle classes, destroy assistance programs, and pursue endless wars.

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

Washington is fundamentally broken

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:03:02pm

re: #131 Kragar

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Oh hi Henry VIII, you have a lot to catch up on.

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KGxvi  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:03:13pm

re: #121 Joe Bacon 🌹

We need to put the Initiative and Referendum into the Federal Constitution.

I say this as someone who has lived in California his entire life: please no. It is way too easy to fuck that shit up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:03:25pm

re: #131 Kragar

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I’d say that he has no daughter because he has no wife because he still lives in his mom’s basement.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:03:39pm
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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:04:02pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:04:15pm

re: #42 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s Bevin. Not a single utterance has even a trace of good faith.

It’s all positioning to make something he doesn’t like to blame, and thus something he wants can be presented as the solution.

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Targetpractice  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:04:49pm

re: #138 JordanRules

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Tweets like these are why Joe Walsh’s “sane” posts are still so hard to accept.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:05:46pm

re: #131 Kragar

This isn’t satire?

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:06:34pm

re: #138 JordanRules

Then why don’t Canada, England, Australia, and other countries have the same problem we do, Joe?

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:08:16pm

...

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Targetpractice  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:08:26pm

re: #142 Belafon

Then why don’t Canada, England, Australia, and other countries have the same problem we do, Joe?

Because in the minds of wingnuts those countries aren’t “free.” Without the right to own a implement of death, you’re not truly “free” in their minds.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:09:12pm
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KGxvi  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:09:13pm

re: #138 JordanRules

Funny, if you compare the US to every other first world nation, you find that many fewer people die because of guns in those countries. Helpful chart here (about 2/3 of the way down).

102 gun deaths per million in the US in 2010. Every other first world nation combined (22 in all): 314.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:09:31pm

re: #138 JordanRules

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We did have armed adults in that school and one of them killed sixteen people. We can have measures to prevent drunk driving, airplane crashes but heaven forbid we try to prevent gun violence. No sir, wouldn’t want to make the baby dick brigade upset.

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CongoJack  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:09:56pm

re: #143 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

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Shouldn’t Jr. spend his time getting his shit in order when the Mueller train comes rolling through instead of being an absolute dick on social media.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:10:08pm

re: #141 JordanRules

This isn’t satire?

It might be. I read it as messing with the “cuck” crowd’s minds, but you never know with so many nuts on the Internet.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:10:33pm

re: #148 CongoJack

Shouldn’t Jr. spend his time getting his shit in order when the Mueller train comes rolling through instead of being an absolute dick on social media.

No one said Flynn Jr was smart.

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:10:46pm

re: #144 Targetpractice

Because in the minds of wingnuts those countries aren’t “free.” Without the right to own a implement of death, you’re not truly “free” in their minds.

Except you can own guns in those countries.

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KGxvi  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:11:02pm

re: #148 CongoJack

Shouldn’t Jr. spend his time getting his shit in order when the Mueller train comes rolling through instead of being an absolute dick on social media.

I’m guessing Jr thinks he’ll get a pardon from his dad (which, if that’s not the first article of impeachment, we’ve lost and it is seriously time to consider immigration).

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:11:12pm

re: #144 Targetpractice

Because in the minds of wingnuts those countries aren’t “free.” Without the right to own a implement of death, you’re not truly “free” in their minds.

Then they’re not free when they can’t buy or even build their own nukes.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:11:42pm

re: #151 Belafon

Except you can own guns in those countries.

Well they also think Chicago has the highest rate of gun deaths and the most restrictive gun laws when neither is even close to being true.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:11:50pm
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Kragar  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:12:03pm
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CongoJack  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:12:09pm

re: #152 KGxvi

That was Flynn Jr. not Donnie Jr. Though I’m sure Donnie Jr. is still being a dick on social media … so really it is all the same.

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Targetpractice  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:12:13pm

re: #151 Belafon

Except you can own guns in those countries.

True, but that’s a level of nuance that is long on wingnuts.

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:12:14pm

re: #130 KGxvi

coño, pinche cabron, puta de madre…

It’s a fucking shame he’s there to take such important stands for the next five years.

when i was about 15 i had a cuban girlfriend. daughter of an actual booted out of the country exile. she was religious, and proper (well not really so much).

at the time, i was reading the book Red Sky At Morning which takes place in New Mexico.

there were/are a lot of spanish words, mostly in italics.
so i asked her what they meant.

to this day I have never seen a human turn that color red

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:12:18pm

re: #152 KGxvi

I’m guessing Jr thinks he’ll get a pardon from his dad (which, if that’s not the first article of impeachment, we’ve lost and it is seriously time to consider immigration).

Flynn Jr not Trump Jr. Wrong Fredo.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:12:35pm

re: #150 HappyWarrior

No one said Flynn Jr was smart.

In fact, people responding are wondering if he’s the dumbest person on Twitter.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:12:49pm

re: #156 Kragar

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Exactly. But these douchebags.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:13:17pm

re: #161 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

In fact, people responding are wondering if he’s the dumbest person on Twitter.

He may be stupider than Don Jr or Jim Hoft.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:13:23pm

re: #141 JordanRules

If I recall correctly, it’s a statement from one of those boards that hosts incels and MRAs and such, where the central fuel for discussion is how the world at once owes the dudes a pretty girl that’s completely compliant *and* how the world is conspiring to not acknowledge that debt.

So basically, Moliere’s “School for Wives” but for serious, because these people merit my only use of the vernacular, cray-cray.

They are cray-cray.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:13:25pm

re: #149 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It seemed like really good satire to me. But as you said..who knows these days.

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Targetpractice  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:14:13pm

re: #156 Kragar

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Yet if you point out that a wall won’t stop illegal immigration or a travel ban won’t stop terrorism, they scream that you’re a “defeatist” and insist that we implement such policies immediately. And if they don’t work, then we just go from there.

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lawhawk  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:14:25pm

re: #145 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Free society.

Australia is a free society, and they got rid of guns after the a major mass shooting.

We’ve had 100s since then, and still do nothing except make excuses.

Japan has a free society. Israel has a free society, and both put heavy burdens on those seeking to own guns. European countries (western Europe) have free societies, and yet they too have heavy burdens to gun ownership.

Only here in the US do we treat a well regulated militia as anyone with a goddamned pulse can buy a AR-15 and enough ammo to kill dozens of people and wound 600 in under 10 minutes as though this should be normal.

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:14:53pm

re: #138 JordanRules

In a free society, you can’t stop bad people who are intent on killing.

In a free society, you can‘t stop some bad people who are intent on killing.

not that hard joe

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KGxvi  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:15:40pm

re: #159 dangerman

when i was about 15 i had a cuban girlfriend. daughter of an actual booted out of the country exile. she was religious, and proper (well not really so much).

at the time, i was reading the book Red Sky At Morning which takes place in New Mexico.

there were/are a lot of spanish words, mostly in italics.
so i asked her what they meant.

to this day I have never seen a human turn that color red

Heh. My grandmother taught my dad a phrase in Spanish that was basically the worst possible string of curse words imaginable. My mom still gets mad when he tries to say it.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:15:49pm

re: #131 Kragar

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What. The. Actual. Fuck.

This only makes sense when you are so far down the wingnut logic hole, that you only see women as appliances for sexual gratification. As possessions to be used. That sex is “despoilation.”

Christ. What a headfulla hissing snakes (to adopt a wingnut phrase).

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Stanley Sea  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:16:09pm

re: #118 JordanRules

I miss our “images” tab

:(

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:16:14pm

re: #145 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That’s what the Republicans bought by the NRA keep saying, but a free society doesn’t have to be so free that weapons made for mass-slaughter are available to anyone. No one needs an AR-15 for home-defense.
Armed adults were in this school. They did not encounter the shooter.

how dare the shooter go where the “armed adults” werent

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:16:28pm

re: #145 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Also, since the shooter was a former student, wouldn’t he have some knowledge about where the officers were likely to be at any given time? Wouldn’t they probably make scheduled rounds or something like that?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:16:37pm

Fuck, I really boxed myself in with that use of “only.”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:16:39pm

re: #167 lawhawk

Free society.

Australia is a free society, and they got rid of guns after the a major mass shooting.

We’ve had 100s since then, and still do nothing except make excuses.

Japan has a free society. Israel has a free society, and both put heavy burdens on those seeking to own guns. European countries (western Europe) have free societies, and yet they too have heavy burdens to gun ownership.

Only here in the US do we treat a well regulated militia as anyone with a goddamned pulse can buy a AR-15 and enough ammo to kill dozens of people and wound 600 in under 10 minutes as though this should be normal.

All it took was a right-wing misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment to get all these kids killed. It’s past time to regulate gun owners, and take guns away from people who wash out of the militia due to stupidity or anger issues.

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KGxvi  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:17:24pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Flynn Jr not Trump Jr. Wrong Fredo.

re: #157 CongoJack

That was Flynn Jr. not Donnie Jr. Though I’m sure Donnie Jr. is still being a dick on social media … so really it is all the same.

In my defense, when I clicked through to the original post, it wasn’t there, so I figured it was Donnito. So many Freddos, not enough Michaels.

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:17:28pm

re: #151 Belafon

Except you can own guns in those countries.

a pesky fact lost on the pro gun crowd

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:18:13pm

re: #176 KGxvi

In my defense, when I clicked through to the original post, it wasn’t there, so I figured it was Donnito. So many Freddos, not enough Michaels.

There’s not even a Santino in the bunch let alone a Michael or Tom Hagen.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:18:33pm

re: #174 The Ghost of a Flea

Ha! Yes you did! And you will be tested by Murrika daily.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:18:59pm

re: #171 Stanley Sea

I miss our “images” tab

:(

Do you mean the images button on tweets? It’s still there…it’s the mountains in a box all the way on the right at the bottom of the tweet.

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darthstar  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:19:15pm

This was a bit of awesomeness from yesterday that got missed in all the tragedy.
Kid says yes to all of the news outlets except Fox…then Fox reporter deletes her tweet and makes her account private.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:19:15pm

re: #179 JordanRules

Ha! Yes you did! And you will be tested by Murrika daily.

I have my fallback position of “crazy as a shithouse rat.”

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lawhawk  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:20:01pm

So, the FBI is saying that they got tips about the FL shooter, but they couldn’t find him.

Well, let’s take a step back.

Last year, Trump decided to change the focus (and cutting funding) of the Countering Violent Extremism from dealing with right wing extremist groups, such as white supremacists, KKK, Nazis, etc., to focus on Islamic terrorists.

Now, we find that the FBI couldn’t track this guy down, despite the fact that he was known to associate with white supremacists?

Yeah, what are the odds.

Put simply, the blood is on Trump’s hands with his decision to give his supporters a pass on any kind of scrutiny by law enforcement.

Countering violent extremists. Trump only cares when they’re Muslim terrorists or foreigners.

White supremacists and Nazis? They get a pass.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:20:43pm

re: #181 darthstar

Day before yesterday and it got lots of love.
I loved that he made sure to claim it before telling Fox to eff off.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:21:50pm

re: #131 Kragar

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If my Dad were still alive he would give that ass a major “attitude adjustment”!

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Targetpractice  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:21:56pm

Both the bipartisan and the Trump amendments to the DACA bill failed to clear the 60-vote hurdle. In a functioning gov’t, this is the point where the sides would sit down and start hashing out their differences to come together on an acceptable compromise.

Instead, I expect the wingnuts to insist that the DNC “take it or leave it” with the Trump amendment, threatening to hold them “responsible” for DACA’s expiration if they won’t bow to pressure.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:25:26pm

the trump amendment included $25 billion for the yam’s stupid wall.

The Senate said no.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:26:55pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

Do you mean the images button on tweets? It’s still there…it’s the mountains in a box all the way on the right at the bottom of the tweet.

Yes & TY!!

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Stanley Sea  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:27:30pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

And dog I’m dumb sometimes.

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nines09  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:27:37pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:28:52pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:28:59pm

Just to be clear, the Grassley bill (aka Trump’s White Supremacist Wish List) failed 39-60, while the “Common Sense Coalition” bill failed by 54-45.

Something tells me El Jefe Naranjo isn’t going to be calling for Yertle to use the nuclear option so that we can go back to a 51-vote majority to pass bills.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:30:05pm

Whew.
These kids!!! These kids!!!!

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KGxvi  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:30:27pm

re: #191 FormerDirtDart

Any word on why Harris voted no on the bipartisan deal?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:31:06pm

re: #189 Stanley Sea

And dog I’m dumb sometimes.

Charles had to make new buttons when Twitter changed the embed codes.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:31:16pm

re: #191 FormerDirtDart

His bill is the biggest loser! Perfect.

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:31:55pm

re: #193 JordanRules

Whew.
These kids!!! These kids!!!!

I think kids are getting tired of being shot at.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:32:23pm

re: #193 JordanRules

Whew.
These kids!!! These kids!!!!

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The kids are pissed and I don’t blame them. What I worry about is though is the right wing media stirring up hate and threats against them because they dared to criticize Trump & the rest of the do nothings.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:32:29pm

re: #194 KGxvi

Any word on why Harris voted no on the bipartisan deal?

My guess is because she wants a clean vote on the Dream Act.

(Also apparently one of the progressive immigrant advocacy groups came out against it? Saw something go by on Twitter about it a while ago.)

The cynical part of me says 2020 positioning.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:32:40pm

Now I truly fear Shittler will use the Senate rejection as justification for rounding up the Dreamers.

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:33:53pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:33:53pm

re: #193 JordanRules

Whew.
These kids!!! These kids!!!!

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A lot of these particular kids are going to be old enough to vote come November.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:34:30pm

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yesss goodness!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:34:46pm

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

A lot of these particular kids are going to be old enough to vote come November.

And FLA is an important state.

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Targetpractice  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:35:17pm

re: #194 KGxvi

Any word on why Harris voted no on the bipartisan deal?

According to the LA Times,

Three Democrats — Kamala Harris of California and the two senators from New Mexico, Tom Udall and Martin Heinrich — voted against the measure, including mainly out of a concern that its border security provisions went too far. Eight Republicans — those who were part of the bipartisan accord — voted in favor.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:35:48pm

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

A lot of these particular kids are going to be old enough to vote come November.

A lot of school-shooting survivors have been for a while. Columbine survivors are in their 30s now.

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KGxvi  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:35:50pm

re: #199 klys (maker of Silmarils)

My guess is because she wants a clean vote on the Dream Act.

(Also apparently one of the progressive immigrant advocacy groups came out against it? Saw something go by on Twitter about it a while ago.)

The cynical part of me says 2020 positioning.

Maybe had something to do with this bit (via CNN):

The plan would also place $25 billion in a guarded trust for border security, would cut a small number of green cards each year for adult children of current green card holders, and would prevent parents from being sponsored for citizenship by their US citizen children if that child gained citizenship through the pathway created in the bill or if they brought the child to the US illegally.

I mean that provision does kind of suck, but I think it’s something you could give up as part of a compromise.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:37:14pm

re: #156 Kragar

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And many of the same people who say banning guns won’t reduce gun crime want to ban abortion, believing that will eliminate it.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:37:58pm

re: #207 KGxvi

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:38:32pm

The man who cannot let an insult go without a counterattack:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:38:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:38:38pm

re: #209 JordanRules

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She’s not wrong.

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Targetpractice  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:38:53pm

re: #209 JordanRules

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FFS

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:39:02pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:39:56pm

re: #194 KGxvi

Any word on why Harris voted no on the bipartisan deal?

I have no clue, but, if I was to guess, maybe because it includes wail funding

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KGxvi  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:40:25pm

re: #213 Targetpractice

FFS

I suspect that if there were 3 more Republicans voting yes on that bill, those three Democratic Senators may have voted differently. Since Congress (or a future president) could always reallocate that money.

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:40:55pm

re: #213 Targetpractice

FFS

Still wouldn’t have cleared 60 votes.

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KGxvi  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:41:08pm

Also, who isn’t voting? All these totals are 99

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:42:09pm

re: #217 Belafon

Still wouldn’t have cleared 60 votes.

That’s why I can’t bring myself to get too worked up over it right now.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:42:31pm

re: #216 KGxvi

I suspect that if there were 3 more Republicans voting yes on that bill, those three Democratic Senators may have voted differently. Since Congress (or a future president) could always reallocate that money.

Indeed. I’d assume Schumer is good at his job and allows Senators to vote strategically, especially if the whip count from the other side won’t get there.

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Jay C  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:42:34pm

re: #216 KGxvi

I suspect that if there were 3 more Republicans voting yes on that bill, those three Democratic Senators may have voted differently. Since Congress (or a future president) could always reallocate that money.

I wonder if that’s the “guarded trust for border security” bit? Sequestered funds that can only be spent on Trump’s Folly??

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:42:47pm

yes, Christina.
Yes.

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KGxvi  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:42:51pm

re: #218 KGxvi

Also, who isn’t voting? All these totals are 99

Nevermind, apparently it is McCain… figured he was there since his name was on an amendment.

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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:43:37pm

I had to do something to chill out from my outrage of the BS I am hearing people and politicians saying about the Florida school shootings. So I created this…

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:43:47pm

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Targetpractice  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:43:52pm

re: #217 Belafon

Still wouldn’t have cleared 60 votes.

Not going to stop me from shaking my head that some would allow perfect to be the enemy of good.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:44:05pm

Interesting point regarding the WH’s insistence on cutting legal immigration:

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:45:31pm

It’s not satire…

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:45:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:47:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:47:38pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

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More dogs, less guns.

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KGxvi  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:48:34pm

re: #227 Blind Frog Belly White

There’s an argument to be made (I would have to look at a lot of numbers) to suggest that the restrictionist immigration view is growing in the GOP because the GOP overall is shrinking. If 30 people support something out of 300, it’s 10%; if 30 out of 200 support it, it’s 15%. Have to figure out why the position is gathering strength.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:49:00pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

I want that on a t-shirt.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:49:47pm

re: #233 JordanRules

I want that on a t-shirt.

Ditto!

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:49:49pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

1,000,000,000,000,000/10

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:52:57pm

meanwhile in Kentucky:

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:53:57pm

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

meanwhile in Kentucky:

Hopefully he said “prevent” instead of “present”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:53:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:54:01pm

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

meanwhile in Kentucky:

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Good.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:54:14pm

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Cowards.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:56:39pm

re: #232 KGxvi

There’s an argument to be made (I would have to look at a lot of numbers) to suggest that the restrictionist immigration view is growing in the GOP because the GOP overall is shrinking. If 30 people support something out of 300, it’s 10%; if 30 out of 200 support it, it’s 15%. Have to figure out why the position is gathering strength.

It can be argued - indeed, I have argued it - that most of the things proposed by the Right are about maintaining white supremacy.
- Voter ID
- Gerrrymandering
- Retaining the Electoral College
- Restricting immigration
- Repealing the 17th Amendment
- Constitutional Convention

All of these pretty much directly empower rural white voters over metro area voters, in an attempt to cement their political power against demographic inevitability. I HOPE Trump’s election was their last gasp, their Ardennes Counteroffensive.

So remember - when Trumpkins demand surrender, the historically correct response is “Nuts!”

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Targetpractice  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:56:59pm

re: #227 Blind Frog Belly White

Interesting point regarding the WH’s insistence on cutting legal immigration:

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What we really see is the Pickett’s Charge of the culture war going on right now. It’s an unsustainable charge, one that is flying in the face of all common sense, because the alternative is to concede defeat. And once that concession is made, then the war is effectively lost and the best they can do is negotiate favorable terms. So they will ride into the guns, sacrificing lives and futures for a futile grasp at a victory that remains out of reach, because they see no other choice.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:58:21pm

re: #241 Blind Frog Belly White

It can be argued - indeed, I have argued it - that most of the things proposed by the Right are about maintaining white supremacy.
- Voter ID
- Gerrrymandering
- Retaining the Electoral College
- Restricting immigration
- Repealing the 17th Amendment
- Constitutional Convention

All of these pretty much directly empower rural white voters over metro area voters, in an attempt to cement their political power against demographic inevitability. I HOPE Trump’s election was their last gasp, their Ardennes Counteroffensive.

So remember - when Trumpkins demand surrender, the historically correct response is “Nuts!”

Love the Nuts ref as the grand nephew of two Bulge vets.

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CleverToad  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:59:38pm

re: #159 dangerman

when i was about 15 i had a cuban girlfriend. daughter of an actual booted out of the country exile. she was religious, and proper (well not really so much).

at the time, i was reading the book Red Sky At Morning which takes place in New Mexico.

there were/are a lot of spanish words, mostly in italics.
so i asked her what they meant.

to this day I have never seen a human turn that color red

Dang it, now I have to find my copy of Red Sky and re-read it. It’s been two or three decades, I’ve forgotten most of the Spanish slang I learned from that book and the neighbor kids…

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gocart mozart  Feb 15, 2018 • 1:59:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:00:38pm

re: #245 gocart mozart

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Yes.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:00:53pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:00:54pm

re: #51 dangerman

this is kind of interesting:

The Clock Is Not Ticking on DACA
The longer Democrats wait to cut a deal, the more leverage they will have.

Why, there were LGF members that were so pissed off about not sticking with the shutdown. How can there be more leverage now??? I thought “we” already caved-in.

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gocart mozart  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:01:49pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:02:18pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

More dogs, less guns.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:03:17pm

re: #250 FormerDirtDart

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My wife would never forgive me if I didn’t say that it should be FEWER guns.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:03:32pm

re: #244 CleverToad

Dang it, now I have to find my copy of Red Sky and re-read it. It’s been two or three decades, I’ve forgotten most of the Spanish slang I learned from that book and the neighbor kids…

Within a week of leaving the seminary, I was working in a Garment District warehouse with a couple hundred Puerto Rican and Cuban workers. My 2 years of Capuchin/Berlitz Spanish had not prepared me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:03:57pm

re: #251 Blind Frog Belly White

My wife would never forgive me if I didn’t say that it should be FEWER guns.

woof

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gocart mozart  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:04:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:05:37pm

re: #247 Charles Johnson

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The lefties who thought Assenge was a good guy should smack themselves.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:05:54pm

re: #250 FormerDirtDart

In addition to ALL the love they give, they can protect homes.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:06:56pm

re: #254 gocart mozart

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Why the media stopped reporting and here’s something by a right wing media outlet.

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:07:04pm

re: #250 FormerDirtDart

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some ‘o dem are def smiling

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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:07:08pm

re: #62 Belafon

There’s parts of that I agree with, but I don’t actually think Trump is scared of the consequences of deportation. That’s why he’s balking at the deal right now. He was never going to agree with a bipartisan deal.

I do agree that Democrats don’t need to take anything that sacrifices one group of immigrants for another. I didn’t mind Schumer’s concession of money for the wall because the wall is going to take longer to build than Trump will be in office.

I thought the bill as written says “border security” and not specifically a wall. I think that goes to what has been talked about more lately…drones, cameras, more patrol, additional fencing where still needed, etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:08:40pm
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gocart mozart  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:09:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:10:05pm

re: #259 ObserverArt

I thought the bill as written says “border security” and not specifically a wall. I think that goes to what has been talked about more lately…drones, cameras, more patrol, additional fencing where still needed, etc.

the bill may say that. The items voted on today were amendments, at least one of which specifically mentioned $25 billion for the wall.

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:10:22pm

re: #252 Decatur Deb

Within a week of leaving the seminary, I was working in a Garment District warehouse with a couple hundred Puerto Rican and Cuban workers. My 2 years of Capuchin/Berlitz Spanish had not prepared me.

ALM (second edition)
“escuche y despues repita”

if i knew i was destined to have a cuban gf, even for a while, i’da paid more attention

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:11:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:12:12pm

re: #264 FormerDirtDart

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Oh suck a dick Mitch.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:14:00pm

re: #263 dangerman

ALM (second edition)
“escuche y despues repita”

if i knew i was destined to have a cuban gf, even for a while, i’da paid more attention

Immersion is the best route.

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:15:34pm

re: #264 FormerDirtDart

The only legislative tool Mitch knows how to use is “It’s the Dems fault.”

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:16:13pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:17:05pm

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Oh suck a dick Mitch.

And Mich can claim he kept his word to Democrats on the deal to pass the Continuing Resolution last month

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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:17:40pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea

The mother just on CNN screaming & crying to trump.

my god.

There have been some really well-spoken and extremely pissed off parents on TV ripping on Trump, Rubio and Gov. Scott.

And they look to me to be the very type of people Republicans will have to really answer to come election time. I have a feeling some of them voted for Trump and other Republican Florida politicians.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:19:27pm

re: #268 Scottish Dragon

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Oh fuck you very much Erick.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:19:36pm

From Trump’s Parkland remarks:

“Think of all those people that hate gun owners.”

Yeah, right, the poor gun owners are the real victims here. Trump just has to message his base that they are the aggrieved parties in this situation. What a divisive turd he is.

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:19:51pm

re: #264 FormerDirtDart

McConnell on failure to advance something on immigration: Democrats failed to produce a solution..I thought we may be able to resolve this..Our friends across the aisle were unable to get something done..They turned away from a golden opportunity to resolve the issue

psst, mitch:

Trump threatens to veto bipartisan immigration bill

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:20:43pm

re: #270 ObserverArt

There have been some really well-spoken and extremely pissed off parents on TV ripping on Trump, Rubio and Gov. Scott.

And they look to me to be the very type of people Republicans will have to really answer to come election time. I have a feeling some of them voted for Trump and other Republican Florida politicians.

One of the parents I saw today was wearing a Trump 2020 t-shirt while holding a photo of his daughter who died.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:20:56pm

re: #272 KerFuFFler

From Trump’s Parkland remarks:

“Think of all those people that hate gun owners.”

Yeah, right, the poor gun owners are the real victims here. Trump just has to message his base that they are the aggrieved parties in this situation. What a divisive turd he is.

No offense to the gun owners here but I’m sick of the whining by gun owners after these tragedies.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:21:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:21:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:21:47pm

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

One of the parents I saw today was wearing a Trump 2020 t-shirt while holding a photo of his daughter who died.

I hope he seriously reconsiders knowing that Trump is fine with the policy that led to his daughter’s death.

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:22:02pm

re: #268 Scottish Dragon

Abortionists kill more kids each year than mass shooters, but let’s talk about the latter and not the former

erick, they are not “kids”

take a damn science class

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:22:17pm

re: #276 JordanRules

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Only two no’s were Paul and Sanders right?

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:23:16pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

I believe so.

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KGxvi  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:23:21pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Only two no’s were Paul and Sanders right?

And at least one of them was because they wanted it separate from the Iran sanctions, I believe.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:24:18pm

re: #282 KGxvi

And at least one of them was because they wanted it separate from the Iran sanctions, I believe.

That was Sanders.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:24:28pm

re: #281 JordanRules

I believe so.

It was.

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KGxvi  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:25:20pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

That was Sanders.

Do we remember what Paul’s excuse was?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:25:48pm

re: #285 KGxvi

Do we remember what Paul’s excuse was?

No idea. He’s a Paul so he’s flaky to begin with.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:26:29pm
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KerFuFFler  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:26:52pm

re: #275 HappyWarrior

No offense to the gun owners here but I’m sick of the whining by gun owners after these tragedies.

I don’t lump all gun owners in together———some, I assume, are good people. ;)

But I do take issue with 2nd amendment absolutists, ammosexuals and politicians who refuse to even consider legislation that could reduce the number of these events or the deadliness of these massacres.

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:26:57pm

re: #270 ObserverArt

There have been some really well-spoken and extremely pissed off parents on TV ripping on Trump, Rubio and Gov. Scott.

And they look to me to be the very type of people Republicans will have to really answer to come election time. I have a feeling some of them voted for Trump and other Republican Florida politicians.

I saw a picture of one of the heartbroken fathers looking for his dead daughter. He was wearing a Trump 2020 shirt.

I felt no schadenfreude, and I was pleased about that, because I thought I was a more terrible person than that now. I have nothing but empathy for a man suffering like nobody ever should. Plus, it’s true to say that Trump himself has done little to worsen the appalling state of human sacrifice in this country. He may be incapable of empathy and actively incite violence rather than condemn it, but Americans, and especially Republicans, have created this sacrificial cult without any help from the evil dictator in the White House.

But even with all that he’s going through, I would lay better than even money that that guy votes Trump in 2020 just like his shirt says. Cultists love their children, but they need hate more than air.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:27:42pm

re: #288 KerFuFFler

I don’t lump all gun owners in together———some, I assume, are good people. ;)

But I do take issue with 2nd amendment absolutists, ammosexuals and politicians who refuse to even consider legislation that could reduce the number of these events or the deadliness of these massacres.

Yes.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:27:45pm

re: #289 Renaissance_Man

It’s a helluva drug.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:28:27pm

re: #291 JordanRules

It’s a helluva drug.

And it goes on and on.

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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:28:42pm

re: #114 Belafon

Yes. I think it has to do with all the available video, tweets, and that they are older. It’s a bit harder to shut them up. That’s why I think this is different.

Now, here’s the problem: Keeping this from getting swamped by something else Trump does.

Some of the students that have been on TV are making some very strong heartfelt comments on TV.

These youngsters are also media savvy.

This is going to be real bad for politicians as these kids are now making louder noises than the NRA and their supporters.

I sure hope that maybe, just maybe the last 5 months of carnage are beginning to make a strong impression on Americans.

Polls have shown 85+% backing of background checks and overall gun control is at about 70%. This is going to make these numbers concrete. A good time to change when you have that strong a base.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:28:42pm

Lizards calling it a day. Rest well, if you can.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:29:26pm

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s bullshit. A shooting is a shooting, a casualty is a casualty.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:32:04pm

re: #293 ObserverArt

These youngsters are also media savvy….

This is going to be real bad for politicians as these kids are now making louder noises than the NRA and their supporters….
A good time to change when you have that strong a base.

We ordinary people are more empowered now as witnesses and therefore the strongest advocates for change. We have more power as witnesses than ever in human history because of the cameras in our phones and taking to instant live social media. Use responsibly but use it. Run with it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:32:06pm

re: #293 ObserverArt

Some of the students that have been on TV are making some very strong heartfelt comments on TV.

These youngsters are also media savvy.

This is going to be real bad for politicians as these kids are now making louder noises than the NRA and their supporters.

I sure hope that maybe, just maybe the last 5 months of carnage are beginning to make a strong impression on Americans.

Polls have shown 85+% backing of background checks and overall gun control is at about 70%. This is going to make these numbers concrete. A good time to change when you have that strong a base.

The crazy thing about this is that proposing something with 85% favorability is electoral poison.

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KGxvi  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:32:41pm

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll concede the suicide at a closed school shouldn’t count as a school shooting. But a shooting at 1 a.m. at a sorority event at Wake Forrest and a shooting outside of a high school basketball game should count, even if classes weren’t in session.

Regardless, this bit is not very reassuring:

Five of Everytown’s 18 school shootings listed for 2018 happened during school hours and resulted in any physical injury. Three others appeared to be intentional shootings but did not hurt anyone. Two more involved guns — one carried by a school police officer and the other by a licensed peace officer who ran a college club — that were unintentionally fired and, again, led to no injuries. At least seven of Everytown’s 18 shootings took place outside normal school hours.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:35:14pm

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My thought too. Only one a week. So much better…

/dripping/

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Skip Intro  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:35:46pm

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

This one?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:36:19pm

re: #297 Blind Frog Belly White

The crazy thing about this is that proposing something with 85% favorability is electoral poison.

Because it’s soft support. That is to say people say they support things like background checks but the minute the NRA propaganda comes on the TV, it’s time to arm themselves against tyranny.

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majii  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:36:49pm

re: #298 KGxvi

Any d*mn shooting on any d*mn campus whether anyone was killed or not is another d*mn shooting on a campus. WTF is wrong with the journalist that wrote the WP article?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:37:55pm

re: #300 Skip Intro

This one?

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that’s the one

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:38:41pm

re: #302 majii

Any d*mn shooting on any d*mn campus whether anyone was killed or not is another d*mn shooting on a campus. WTF is wrong with the journalist that wrote the WP article?

Both sidesism.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:39:03pm

Part of the problem also is this association with masculinity and manhood with guns that the gun lobby and its supporters push.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:39:46pm

re: #302 majii

Any d*mn shooting on any d*mn campus whether anyone was killed or not is another d*mn shooting on a campus. WTF is wrong with the journalist that wrote the WP article?

Discharge a weapon on an Army installation, and see if you had a “shooting”.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:42:11pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

Because it’s soft support. That is to say people say they support things like background checks but the minute the NRA propaganda comes on the TV, it’s time to arm themselves against tyranny.

Really, what a poll on any single issue fails to capture is the complexities of what makes people vote for a given politician. The 80% number might be just fine with background checks expanding, NRA be damned. But you don’t get to vote on just their gun control position. You’re getting the package deal. And so some people who might be fine with gun control but could never allow a woman the right to choose because pro-life will vote for the R because the other option would be someone who lets the ladies choose.

This is pretty much another consequence of our two party system.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:42:18pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:42:52pm

The number of shootings does nothing to impact the urgency of the problem.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:43:03pm

re: #275 HappyWarrior

No offense to the gun owners here but I’m sick of the whining by gun owners after these tragedies.

Hell with those guys. This one is not offended in the least by you but I am of course by the idiots (gun owners or not) that refuse to put children’s safety at the forefront of the argument today.

What responsible owners do is redouble our efforts to put safety first and advocate with others for sensible actions. By sensible I mean along the lines of Gabby Giffords advocacy.

NRA lawyers would disagree, but I say after my own legal research and consultations with sharp professionals-We can restrict the most dangerous guns without bans like those overturned. The guys i talked to are gun lawyers that defend gun owners. Not makers, owners.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:43:11pm

Gun nuts and conspiracy theorists were able to take advantage of the young age of the victims and witnesses at Newtown to deny that the event had even occurred. With so many media savvy adolescents, this massacre may have much more of an impact. The survivors can tell their heartrending stories this time around.

Perhaps I’m in the mood to indulge in a little wishful thinking….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:43:46pm

re: #305 HappyWarrior

Part of the problem also is this association with masculinity and manhood with guns that the gun lobby and its supporters push.

Anything proposed by a Dem is presumed to be the first step in confiscation. So, no Republican will ever vote for such.

That means the proposal has to come from a Republican. BUT…..

The NRA faction are a crazy core of the GOP base, so you can’t win a GOP primary while supporting anything the NRA deems unacceptable. So, no GOP’er will ever propose such.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:43:57pm

re: #307 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Really, what a poll on any single issue fails to capture is the complexities of what makes people vote for a given politician. The 80% number might be just fine with background checks expanding, NRA be damned. But you don’t get to vote on just their gun control position. You’re getting the package deal. And so some people who might be fine with gun control but could never allow a woman the right to choose because pro-life will vote for the R because the other option would be someone who lets the ladies choose.

This is pretty much another consequence of our two party system.

Excellent points.

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:44:19pm

re: #298 KGxvi

I’ll concede the suicide at a closed school shouldn’t count as a school shooting. But a shooting at 1 a.m. at a sorority event at Wake Forrest and a shooting outside of a high school basketball game should count, even if classes weren’t in session.

Regardless, this bit is not very reassuring:

the larger issue should never be measured in injuries or death

measuring school shootings is measuring “success”

its entirely the wrong metric

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:44:35pm

re: #311 KerFuFFler

They’ve probably already found that “crying girl”
somewhere in the photos.

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Varek Raith  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:44:46pm

An armed society is a fucked up society.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:44:49pm

re: #310 Unshaken Defiance

Hell with those guys. This one is not offended in the least by you but I am of course by the idiots (gun owners or not) that refuse to put children’s safety at the forefront of the argument today.

What responsible owners do is redouble our efforts to put safety first and advocate with others for sensible actions. By sensible I mean along the lines of Gabby Giffords advocacy.

NRA lawyers would disagree, but I say after my own legal research and consultations with sharp professionals-We can restrict the most dangerous guns without bans like those overturned. The guys i talked to are gun lawyers that defend gun owners. Not makers, owners.

Thanks man.

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Skip Intro  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:46:14pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:46:27pm

re: #181 darthstar

This was a bit of awesomeness from yesterday that got missed in all the tragedy.
Kid says yes to all of the news outlets except Fox…then Fox reporter deletes her tweet and makes her account private.

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It was posted here yesterday.

Come on, you should know this…Lizards don’t miss much if anything!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:47:08pm

re: #312 Blind Frog Belly White

Anything proposed by a Dem is presumed to be the first step in confiscation. So, no Republican will ever vote for such.

That means the proposal has to come from a Republican. BUT…..

The NRA faction are a crazy core of the GOP base, so you can’t win a GOP primary while supporting anything the NRA deems unacceptable. So, no GOP’er will ever propose such.

Absolutely. Honestly I’m hoping we find ties between the NRA and the Kremlin and the bastards are bankrupted.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:48:35pm

re: #320 HappyWarrior

Absolutely. Honestly I’m hoping we find ties between the NRA and the Kremlin and the bastards are bankrupted.

I’m afraid that’s already priced in. That is to say, the same people who support that NRA wanted Putin for President rather than Obama.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:48:37pm

re: #320 HappyWarrior

Absolutely. Honestly I’m hoping we find ties between the NRA and the Kremlin and the bastards are bankrupted.

The gun humpers will just reorganize under a new name.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:49:37pm
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Jay C  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:49:44pm

re: #273 dangerman

re: #264 FormerDirtDart

McConnell on failure to advance something on immigration: Democrats failed to produce a solution..I thought we may be able to resolve this..Our friends across the aisle were unable to get something done..They turned away from a golden opportunity to resolve the issue

psst, mitch:

Trump threatens to veto bipartisan immigration bill

I think another factor involved in all this is that the immigration “issue” is also the last of Trump’s BFD campaign issues that hasn’t been up for Congressional action: And most of his “agenda” has, so far, been pretty much a series of failures: Outside, of course, of boosting military spending (not hard in Washington), and the Republicans’ execrable tax bill (not his idea), Trump’s first year in the White House has (to date) little positive to show for it: and it’s come at the cost of pretty much ALL his Presidential credibility. Having to salvage any sort of compromise, especially on his stupid Wall, over immigration (after his constant “build-the-Wall, throw ‘em out. keep ‘em out! ” “nativist” rhetoric) is likely to be spun as just another Trump failure: and, loser that is, that’s just too much to hope he’s going to go for without a fight. Hopefully one he will, again, lose….

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:49:53pm

re: #322 Eclectic Cyborg

The gun humpers will just reorganize under a new name.

They will but will the new lobby have the pull the NRA presently has?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:50:01pm

re: #322 Eclectic Cyborg

The gun humpers will just reorganize under a new name.

Haven’t you heard? Russia is a White Christian country where they stand up to Muslims and hate gays. We should be allying with them instead of those pansy European countries!!
///

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Skip Intro  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:50:51pm

re: #326 Blind Frog Belly White

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:51:06pm

re: #321 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m afraid that’s already priced in. That is to say, the same people who support that NRA wanted Putin for President rather than Obama.

Well we know they preferred Putin over Obama, what I mean is a money trail showing LaPierre’s little dick to Putin.

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:52:18pm

re: #324 Jay C

I think another factor involved in all this is that the immigration “issue” is also the last of Trump’s BFD campaign issues that hasn’t been up for Congressional action: And most of his “agenda” has, so far, been pretty much a series of failures: Outside, of course, of boosting military spending (not hard in Washington), and the Republicans’ execrable tax bill (not his idea), Trump’s first year in the White House has (to date) little positive to show for it: and it’s come at the cost of pretty much ALL his Presidential credibility. Having to salvage any sort of compromise, especially on his stupid Wall, over immigration (after his constant “build-the-Wall, throw ‘em out. keep ‘em out! ” “nativist” rhetoric) is likely to be spun as just another Trump failure: and, loser that is, that’s just too much to hope he’s going to go for without a fight. Hopefully one he will, again, lose….

yup. and on this issue, he’s already lost the “mexico will pay for it” part.
no one seems to care

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:52:21pm

re: #326 Blind Frog Belly White

Haven’t you heard? Russia is a White Christian country where they stand up to Muslims and hate gays. We should be allying with them instead of those pansy European countries!!
///

Pretty much the right’s logic since Putin’s played the homophobic card.

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JordanRules  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:52:40pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:53:09pm

re: #305 HappyWarrior

Part of the problem also is this association with masculinity and manhood with guns that the gun lobby and its supporters push.

Can’t they just smoke Marlboro Reds if they want to feel manly?

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:53:51pm

re: #332 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Can’t they just smoke Marlboro Reds if they want to feel manly?

camel non-filters

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:54:10pm

re: #328 HappyWarrior

Well we know they preferred Putin over Obama, what I mean is a money trail showing LaPierre’s little dick to Putin.

I don’t see how that would make any difference to their supporters. If they want Putin for President, they’ll see an NRA alliance with Putin as a good thing. Remember, a few years ago, Sean Hannity wanted Julian Assange shot. Now? He’d give that fucker a medal and his own show on Fox.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:54:27pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:54:49pm

re: #333 dangerman

camel non-filters

Hey, my Mom smoked those for 30 years!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:55:24pm

Just saw this floating around FB again…

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Decatur Deb  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:55:39pm

re: #331 JordanRules

Shocking that she has a chance. Bullitt Co. is a very retrograde “White Flight” suburb that is best noted for an annual machine-gun shoot and burning Black churches.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:55:52pm

re: #334 Blind Frog Belly White

I don’t see how that would make any difference to their supporters. If they want Putin for President, they’ll see an NRA alliance with Putin as a good thing. Remember, a few years ago, Sean Hannity wanted Julian Assange shot. Now? He’d give that fucker a medal and his own show on Fox.

True.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:55:58pm

re: #331 JordanRules

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seat most recently held by Dan “Pope” Johnson who committed suicide in December.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:56:05pm

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:56:34pm

re: #337 Eclectic Cyborg

Just saw this floating around FB again…

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Yeah because no one ever has shot armed people. Morons.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:56:34pm

From the Daily Intelligencer:

Earlier this week, the Trump administration released its budget proposal for 2019. Included among the many programs that the White House wants to cut are several meant to enhance school safety and help communities recover from tragedies like the one that took place in Florida this week, Politico reports.

The budget reportedly cuts $24 million from national school-safety programs and would eliminate “project prevent grants,” which are used to “serve students exposed to pervasive violence,” according to the Education Department. In the past, these grants have funded services such as conflict resolution and “other school-based violence

I hope people take notice. Trump and his lackeys pay lip service to making schools safe but then turn around and defund initiatives that might actually help reduce violence in schools.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:58:22pm

re: #341 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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Kragar  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:58:36pm
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majii  Feb 15, 2018 • 2:58:50pm

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

“seat most recently held by Dan “Pope” Johnson who committed suicide in December.”

I had read that Johnson’s wife wanted to run for the seat. Is she running? Based on what I’ve read about her and Johnson, she’s just as much of a whack-job as he was.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:01:05pm
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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:02:18pm

re: #337 Eclectic Cyborg

Just saw this floating around FB again…

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it’s a sign. it cant shoot back

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:02:19pm

re: #347 Scottish Dragon

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Loser cares more about his guns than his fellow man.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:02:42pm

re: #346 majii

“seat most recently held by Dan “Pope” Johnson who committed suicide in December.”

I had read that Johnson’s wife wanted to run for the seat. Is she running? Based on what I’ve read about her and Johnson, she’s just as much of a whack-job as he was.

far as I know, she’s running too.
and yes…she’s just as big a whackjob

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:03:20pm

re: #342 HappyWarrior

Yeah because no one ever has shot armed people. Morons.

Remind them that Custer’s men were armed.

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Jay C  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:04:06pm

re: #335 DodgerFan1988

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He seems nice…..

What a shitheel: so where did all those supposed “connections” between Nikolas Cruz and the “Republic of Florida” cretins come from*? Sounds like Jackwad Jordan tried to cash in on the shooter’s notoriety, then hastily backtracked when it turned over the online rock he and his merry band of scumbags had been hiding under.

* and “lying jew media” doesn’t count

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KerFuFFler  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:04:12pm

re: #335 DodgerFan1988

[…Local law enforcement are now saying there are “no known ties” between Cruz and Jereb…

But

“Some of Cruz’s former classmates at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School confirmed to ABC News that Cruz had been seen with Jereb before and was known to participate in ROF marches.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:05:02pm
You want guns banned and I’ll kill anyone who tries to take mine.

We can’t have a rational discussion, because you don’t believe us when we tell you honestly that that isn’t what we want, but we believe you when you say that last bit.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:06:20pm

re: #354 Blind Frog Belly White

We can’t have a rational discussion, because you don’t believe us when we tell you honestly that that isn’t what we want, but we believe you when you say that last bit.

They don’t want to listen. And I blame that on the gun lobby poisoning the discussion.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:06:33pm

re: #351 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Remind them that Custer’s men were armed.

So was Navy SEAL Chris Kyle. Shot at a gun range by a guy he knew was a potential nut who should not have a gun.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:06:53pm

re: #338 Decatur Deb

Shocking that she has a chance. Bullitt Co. is a very retrograde “White Flight” suburb that is best noted for an annual machine-gun shoot and burning Black churches.

Hobbies, donchaknow….///

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:07:50pm

re: #347 Scottish Dragon

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He needs a gun to defend against people who want to take the gun he has to defend against people who want to take the gun he has to defend against people who want to take the gun he has to defend against people who want to take the gun he has to defend against people who want to take the gun he has to defend against people who want to take the gun he has to defend against people who want to take the gun he has to defend against people who want to take the gun he has to defend against people who want to take the gun…..

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:07:55pm

re: #356 Scottish Dragon

So was Navy SEAL Chris Kyle. Shot at a gun range by a guy he knew was a potential nut who should not have a gun.

I always think of the fact entire platoons have been captured by single infantrymen. It’s the element of surprise.

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:08:12pm

re: #355 HappyWarrior

They don’t want to listen. And I blame that on the gun lobby poisoning the discussion.

they dont want to listen because going “la-la-la” with fingers in the ears means they dont have to take the issue seriously

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:08:42pm

re: #354 Blind Frog Belly White

We can’t have a rational discussion, because you don’t believe us when we tell you honestly that that isn’t what we want, but we believe you when you say that last bit.

That is the clue that it is all toxic masculinity with these guys. He will kill anyone who takes his toy dick gun away from him. The sheer over the top insanity of the reaction tells you exactly what is going on.

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:09:27pm

re: #359 HappyWarrior

I always think of the fact entire platoons have been captured by single infantrymen. It’s the element of surprise.

“how dare the shooter enter the school where the armed guards…..werent”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:11:18pm

jeebus

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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:13:21pm

re: #226 Targetpractice

Not going to stop me from shaking my head that some would allow perfect to be the enemy of good.

It’s not over yet. And if we think back a few weeks, there were many here that said it would never get to this point; the Democrats blew it by not sticking to a shut down.

Imma be patient. There is a lot of outside heat from all the support for dreamers now. It’s politics, they know they have a lot of eyes on ‘em.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:13:46pm
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ipsos  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:14:32pm

America. 2018.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:15:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:15:36pm

re: #367 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Owned.

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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:17:38pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jacob looks like he is good at his job. Good doggo. He deserves his 15/10.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:19:09pm
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majii  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:19:51pm

re: #361 Scottish Dragon

“That is the clue that it is all toxic masculinity with these guys. He will kill anyone who takes his toy dick gun away from him. The sheer over the top insanity of the reaction tells you exactly what is going on.”

Dude couldn’t think his way out of a wet paper bag. He hasn’t thought about us gun owners who are in favor of stronger/better gun control legislation who don’t want to take his guns because we have our own guns. I have several guns, but I can only shoot one of mine at a time.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:23:18pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:24:51pm

re: #261 gocart mozart

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That was painful. Any human would be crushed by that mother’s words.

Problem is too many Republicans don’t seem to identify as humans.

Wow. Sniff.

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Jay C  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:24:55pm

re: #370 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think Rachel is quite right here: but I still wouldn’t want to have to hold my breath waiting for any kind of “correction” for any false assertion by Mike Pence.

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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:27:03pm

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

the bill may say that. The items voted on today were amendments, at least one of which specifically mentioned $25 billion for the wall.

And that one is the one that crashed and burned by the biggest margin, right?

That is the point I was (poorly) trying to make. The wall as envisioned by Trump may be dead. The other items for security are alive.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:28:59pm

re: #372 Scottish Dragon

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Pedantic gun fucks are the worst.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:30:14pm

I had one right-wing family member left, my youngest cousin. She’s got a good heart and we tried for a long time to be each other’s tokens in the middle of our respective political ideologies.

Her husband is the president of our local NRA chapter. I wanted to keep a channel open to see if we could reach some agreements. We never came close, but we tolerated each other.

She just posted an invite to a local NRA event this weekend.

I love my cousin.

I unfriended her.

I feel no remorse whatsoever.

These people are beyond reaching.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:30:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:32:45pm

re: #378 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s always been a political wimp. Rubio is the cowardly lion of politics.

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MsJ  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:35:17pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Oh fuck you very much Erick.

Erickson is pig on so many levels.

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majii  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:35:21pm

re: #373 ObserverArt

“That was painful. Any human would be crushed by that mother’s words.”

“Problem is too many Republicans don’t seem to identify as humans.”

“Wow. Sniff.”

They’re hooked on stupid. The individual who gave an interview to CNN while wearing a Trump 2020 t-shirt is an example of someone who is hooked on stupid. If you asked someone like that whether Trump is working to save kids’ lives, s/he’d say, “Yes.” These are uninformed persons we’re dealing with, and since their major source for news is Fox, they don’t know that Trump rolled back Obama’s policy that was meant to keep guns out of the hands of severely, and documented, mentally ill persons, even though keeping guns out of the hands of mentally ill persons was the focus of his BS-filled speech earlier today.

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jaunte  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:36:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:36:12pm

re: #380 MsJ

Erickson is pig on so many levels.

He is. He may dislike Trump but he’s still a vile pos.

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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:36:16pm

re: #297 Blind Frog Belly White

The crazy thing about this is that proposing something with 85% favorability is electoral poison.

I caught a bit of Morning Joe and one of them said this is a bit of misguided thinking; more of NRA power positioning.

His contention was voting lately around the country and over the last few years does show favorability for sensible gun policies.

That leads me to believe it is all about the money. Politicians might be saying that and making that a scare tactic because it pays very well.

Something to consider. Maybe that poison is really a placebo. $6 to $3 million to some senators can get those guys to say just about anything.

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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:38:28pm

re: #302 majii

Any d*mn shooting on any d*mn campus whether anyone was killed or not is another d*mn shooting on a campus. WTF is wrong with the journalist that wrote the WP article?

They are all wearing Magic Balance Fairy outfits these days.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:40:33pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:42:51pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:43:05pm

re: #387 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You could start by looking at what you’ve supported over the years sir but that would require a little thing called introspection.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:43:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:44:25pm

re: #388 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He should have just retired like he promised. He’s one of the most useless members of the Senate. He only stayed there because he thought Trump would lose and he’d have a head start on 2020.

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jaunte  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:46:01pm
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majii  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:46:09pm

re: #374 Jay C

“I think Rachel is quite right here: but I still wouldn’t want to have to hold my breath waiting for any kind of “correction” for any false assertion by Mike Pence.”

All past examples show that Pence is a burrower. He wouldn’t admit he knew about Flynn; he wouldn’t admit that he was begging for a meeting with Adam Rippon for the purpose of trying to prove he no longer supports conversion therapy; he wouldn’t admit knowing that Porter had abused his wife, which was the reason Porter only had an interim security clearance; and he’s not going to admit his statement that our IC concluded that Russian interference in the 2016 elections didn’t affect the outcome of the elections is a lie. He’ll simply fade into the background, hunker down, and avoid answering any further questions. Pence is a stubborn, corrupt, lying, SOB who will resist admitting he’s wrong about anything he says/does. These qualities make him a perfect VP for Trump.

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Jay C  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:46:46pm

re: #384 ObserverArt

I caught a bit of Morning Joe and one of them said this is a bit of misguided thinking; more of NRA power positioning.

His contention was voting lately around the country and over the last few years does show favorability for sensible gun policies.

That leads me to believe it is all about the money. Politicians might be saying that and making that a scare tactic because it pays very well.

Something to consider. Maybe that poison is really a placebo. $6 to $3 million to some senators can get those guys to say just about anything.

This could be very well be right: unfortunately, it will have to withstand a real-world electoral test to be proved right: though the prospect of the NRA losing a well-publicized campaign to an avowed opponent would have to give them fits: once their image as this unstoppable, unopposable Juggernaut of American politics gets broken, its going to be hard to put back together. Yes, they’ll always have the wingnuts and gun-humpers: but if the shallowness of that “base” ever gets exposed (and 30% support isn’t going to cut it on a national level) they’ll be screwed. Or at least unless/until they can rake up enough money to try to simply swamp the opposition. But that would (one hopes) have to be ALL the opposition - and that’s a task of another order.

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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:49:42pm

re: #338 Decatur Deb

Shocking that she has a chance. Bullitt Co. is a very retrograde “White Flight” suburb that is best noted for an annual machine-gun shoot and burning Black churches.

Is that the place the good-ol’-boys from all over the country get together and unload maximum bullets from all kinds of old, exotic and current automatic weapons and hoot ‘n’ holler about how much fun it all is? I saw some video once…they were like little boys playin’ shoot ‘em up.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:50:54pm

re: #388 Backwoods_Sleuth

If the America First GOP of 1941 had thought of this strategy they might have been able to save their Axis friends from American intervention in the Second World War.

“President Roosevelt should allow time for us to pray and grieve before he tries to politicize the tragedy at Pearl Harbor.”

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:51:09pm

re: #372 Scottish Dragon

That’s a rifle, not an assault weapon… learn the difference

would that change how many innocent people have been killed by them?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:54:46pm

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dangerman  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:54:53pm

re: #388 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ouch

that one should sting

and it wont

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:56:16pm

re: #325 HappyWarrior

Ah ha the hard part. Well my $.02 We really need orgs like this one lawcenter.giffords.org to fundraise from the center and left, and start counter contributing against NRA. Seize the gun owner vote ground out from under the NRA. Gonna have to pick fights selectively at first.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:56:19pm

So for the first time, I saw a Christian quote a Bible verse in favor of “all Christians (and by extension, all good Americans) should own guns”. Like, what the actual goddamn bejesusing fuck.

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gocart mozart  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:58:27pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:58:42pm

re: #241 Blind Frog Belly White

It can be argued - indeed, I have argued it - that most of the things proposed by the Right are about maintaining white supremacy.
- Voter ID
- Gerrrymandering
- Retaining the Electoral College
- Restricting immigration
- Repealing the 17th Amendment
- Constitutional Convention

All of these pretty much directly empower rural white voters over metro area voters, in an attempt to cement their political power against demographic inevitability. I HOPE Trump’s election was their last gasp, their Ardennes Counteroffensive.

So remember - when Trumpkins demand surrender, the historically correct response is “Nuts!”

That fits in with the chilling observation I read here that the rise of truly malignant gun nuttery in the US coincides neatly with the decline of lynchings and cross burnings as a method for white racists to entertain themselves in regions they politically dominate.

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Jay C  Feb 15, 2018 • 3:59:19pm

re: #398 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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A good list, but missing one of the classic standbys:

2a. Argue over semantics of “clip” vs. “magazine”

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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:00:23pm

re: #366 ipsos

America. 2018.

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That’s a sticker added to the paper after the paper is printed.

They used to do that with The Columbus Dispatch. Well, at least until I stopped getting it. They peel off. They are put on certain paper routes by third party advertisers. Similar problem that happens on the internet with pop up ads at awkward times.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:00:37pm

That moment you really hope your sarcasm makes things more clear.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:00:55pm

So glad I unsubscribed from this piece of shit.

Fucking NY Times.

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majii  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:01:17pm

re: #377 BlueGrl21

“I unfriended her.

I feel no remorse whatsoever.

These people are beyond reaching.”

Don’t permit it to bother you too much. I unfriended a former student after I noticed that every time I posted something about PBO being a Christian, he felt the need to respond and go on the attack and try to “prove” that PBO wasn’t a Christian, he was a Muslim. It got on my last damn nerve, so I unfriended him. First, he tried to send me a message through someone else’s Face book link, then, he tried to sic his mother on me. She sent me a Facebook message about it. I read no further than: “You know Ms. R, I’ve always respected you…. I ignored her ass, too. Deleted her post within 20 seconds. The guy is about 40 years old and feels the need to get his mom to fight his battles for him? Excuse me, but I ain’t the one to put up with his or her BS. I didn’t put up with it when he was my student, and I sure as hell am not going to put up with it on Facebook. He asked me to be his Facebook friend. He lives in SC now and has adopted the “conservative” way of “managing” the world by using authoritarian BS tactics. Both of them backed off after trying to reach me in more ways than one because they finally figured out that I didn’t give two sh*ts about the BS they were trying to push off on me. I’m a Christian who tries to live Christian principles, and I don’t waste my time with those who call themselves Christians while mimicking the GOP’s anti-Christian talking points. Even is PBO were Muslim, what would be wrong with that? I have little patience when it comes to dealing with those who refuse to think for themselves.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:03:50pm

re: #402 gocart mozart

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nines09  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:08:35pm

Reading how the murderer that killed 17 people in a Florida high school was tutored by a White Supremacist group, who trained him to kill…….when do the Seals raid that terrorist base? And how the fuck did this killer manage to not be shot like 764 times?

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:09:58pm

re: #410 nines09

Because he’s not a Muslim.
/

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Charles Johnson  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:10:56pm

re: #410 nines09

Reading how the murderer that killed 17 people in a Florida high school was tutored by a White Supremacist group, who trained him to kill…….when do the Seals raid that terrorist base? And how the fuck did this killer manage to not be shot like 764 times?

This report may not be accurate - authorities are now saying they have no evidence Cruz was a member of that group.

tallahassee.com

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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:12:50pm

re: #391 HappyWarrior

He should have just retired like he promised. He’s one of the most useless members of the Senate. He only stayed there because he thought Trump would lose and he’d have a head start on 2020.

Marco seems to be getting hammered in Florida today, as is Rick Scott.

The heat is on. Turn it up.

I heard someone today saying everyone needs to take it to congress the way everyone did back in July with the healthcare fight. Ride them hard and continuously.

I dropped my buddy Sen. Robby Portman another email contact this morning once I saw his tweet about “prayers” for those grieving n Florida.

I called them empty words from an empty man. And I reminded him to enjoy his bloody $3 million from the NRA.

And I asked: would you change your stance if a family member was killed in a spree shooting? You know, like how you changed your stance on same-sex marriage when your son came out?

Maybe that last one was a low shot. I guess that is why I did it.

I didn’t use any bad words. So that is something.

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nines09  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:13:07pm

re: #412 Charles Johnson

Someone in that group rushed to embrace him?
So if the mouthpiece is bragging, I think a knock on the door might be in order.

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nines09  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:13:38pm

re: #411 Ace Rothstein

No hoodie?

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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:14:09pm

re: #393 majii

“I think Rachel is quite right here: but I still wouldn’t want to have to hold my breath waiting for any kind of “correction” for any false assertion by Mike Pence.”

All past examples show that Pence is a burrower. He wouldn’t admit he knew about Flynn; he wouldn’t admit that he was begging for a meeting with Adam Rippon for the purposes of trying to prove he no longer supports conversion therapy; he wouldn’t admit knowing that Porter had abused his wife, which was the reason Porter only had an interim security clearance; and he’s not going to admit his statement that our IC concluded that Russian interference in the 2016 elections didn’t affect the outcome of the elections is a lie. He’ll simply fade into the background, hunker down, and avoid answering any further questions. Pence is a stubborn, corrupt, lying, SOB who will resist admitting he’s wrong about anything he says/does. These qualities make him a perfect VP for Trump.

He hides behind God. He thinks if he gets pious everyone will overlook it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:14:37pm

re: #412 Charles Johnson

This report may not be accurate - authorities are now saying they have no evidence Cruz was a member of that group.

tallahassee.com

pretty much what JJ McNab was cautioning everyone about earlier today.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:14:41pm

re: #413 ObserverArt

Sorry, but Sandy Hook and Las Vegas didn’t change anything, what makes you think this will? They’re eating the NRA’s ass and always will. Period.

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Jay C  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:15:48pm

re: #416 ObserverArt

He hides behind God. He thinks if he gets pious everyone will overlook it.

Seems to have worked for him so far: though if he weren’t merely the VP, the trailing mounds of bullshit might get more recognized…..

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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:16:09pm

re: #394 Jay C

This could be very well be right: unfortunately, it will have to withstand a real-world electoral test to be proved right: though the prospect of the NRA losing a well-publicized campaign to an avowed opponent would have to give them fits: once their image as this unstoppable, unopposable Juggernaut of American politics gets broken, its going to be hard to put back together. Yes, they’ll always have the wingnuts and gun-humpers: but if the shallowness of that “base” ever gets exposed (and 30% support isn’t going to cut it on a national level) they’ll be screwed. Or at least unless/until they can rake up enough money to try to simply swamp the opposition. But that would (one hopes) have to be ALL the opposition - and that’s a task of another order.

I wasn’t paying close attention, but I think they said recent Virginia races had some gun control issues involved and the Dems still won. They made it seem they had other stats that proved the point.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:16:26pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:18:58pm

re: #401 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

So for the first time, I saw a Christian quote a Bible verse in favor of “all Christians (and by extension, all good Americans) should own guns”. Like, what the actual goddamn bejesusing fuck.

That is the new, new New Testament.

King NRA Version 2014.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:20:25pm

Matthews is showing a clip of Obama after Sandy Hook. That was when the United States had a real man as President.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:21:37pm

re: #423 Ace Rothstein

Matthews is showing a clip of Obama after Sandy Hook. That was when the United States had a real man as President.

I still remember when the wingnut assholes mocked him for crying.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:23:04pm

re: #424 HappyWarrior

They mocked him for wearing a tan suit and putting dijon mustard on his cheeseburger. Why would crying over dead children be any different?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:24:33pm

re: #425 Ace Rothstein

They mocked him for wearing a tan suit and putting dijon mustard on his cheeseburger. Why would crying over dead children be any different?

Yep.

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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:25:14pm

re: #410 nines09

Reading how the murderer that killed 17 people in a Florida high school was tutored by a White Supremacist group, who trained him to kill…….when do the Seals raid that terrorist base? And how the fuck did this killer manage to not be shot like 764 times?

I believe I heard he actually made it out of the school and went and got an ice cold drink at a convenience shop a mile away where he was spotted and then take down by the police. He had dropped his gun and mask.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:25:15pm

re: #425 Ace Rothstein

They mocked him for wearing a tan suit and putting dijon mustard on his cheeseburger. Why would crying over dead children be any different?

yep, screw those Nazi haters. They got their wet dream and the nation has gone to hell.

We need an adult in the White House.

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Skip Intro  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:25:17pm

re: #413 ObserverArt

There are no low shots to people who put money over kids lives. None at all.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:27:45pm

re: #425 Ace Rothstein

They mocked him for wearing a tan suit and putting dijon mustard on his cheeseburger. Why would crying over dead children be any different?

Dijon mustard on a cheeseburger actually sounds pretty amazing. I might have to try that once.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:29:03pm
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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:29:20pm

Can we pick a date to talk about gun control?

How about Feb 15, 2019?

Can we get the Dems to ask the GOP’ers if that date is ok and write it down in ink?

They always say it is too soon but how about 1 year’s notice. Seriously.

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nines09  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:29:23pm

re: #427 ObserverArt

Ok. I just read that.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:29:41pm

The transgender teenager who helped change Australia

Trans woman Georgie Stone’s young life has been marked by firsts and achievements. Notably, the 17-year-old Australian led a high-profile petition to end a “discriminatory” legal barrier. Gary Nunn reports from Sydney.

The successful campaign by Georgie, and others, affects thousands.

In a landmark ruling in November, it was decided that young transgender people in Australia will no longer have to go through the nation’s Family Court to access hormone treatment - a vital stage of transitioning.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:29:47pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:29:52pm

re: #423 Ace Rothstein

Matthews is showing a clip of Obama after Sandy Hook. That was when the United States had a real man as President.

And Glenn Beck and others went all “onions” on him.

Time to run off to watch some Big# basketball with a buddy. Escapism. Plus Ohio State has been the surprise of college ball this year. Let’s see if they can keep it up.

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gocart mozart  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:34:07pm

Just thought of the best Tomi Lahren name

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:35:42pm
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:35:55pm

Maybe from “John Barron’s letter to Penthouse Forum”? “I never thought it would happen to me…..

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:36:19pm

re: #412 Charles Johnson

This report may not be accurate - authorities are now saying they have no evidence Cruz was a member of that group.

tallahassee.com

Fair point. The scary part is what we are not doing about those groups with their hate and dramatic potentialpropensity for mass violence. Not with Trump constantly signaling it’s all right if your white. That message permeates the already very white LEO / agencies and the criminal racists. (edit)

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Jay C  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:38:22pm

re: #430 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Dijon mustard on a cheeseburger actually sounds pretty amazing. I might have to try that once.

It IS good: but then, you’re not a Democratic President: you wouldn’t get flak for it.

I recall the hoots from starboard: “Man! Obama put DIJON mustard on his burger? Typical snobby elitist - thinks he’s too good for the [harsh bright-yellow glop] REAL Americans use!!!”

And course, if it came out that Donald Trump did the same thing, their cries would be: “Man! Trump eats cheeseburgers just like a regular Joe! And he’s got real class, ‘cuz he uses DIJON mustard instead of the [harsh bright-yellow glop]! Whatta guy!!!!”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:40:39pm

re: #441 Jay C

It IS good: but then, you’re not a Democratic President: you wouldn’t get flak for it.

I recall the hoots fro starboard: “Man! Obama put DIJON mustard on his burger? Typical snobby elitist - thinks he’s too good for the [harsh bright-yellow glop] REAL Americans use!!!”

And course, if it came out that Donald Trump did the same thing, their cries would be: “Man! Trump eats cheeseburgers just like a regular Joe! And he’s got real class, ‘cuz he uses DIJON mustard instead of the [harsh bright-yellow glop]! Whatta guy!!!!”

I mean, hell, Trump puts KETCHUP on his STEAK. But even that crime against food isn’t enough to make people stop worshiping him.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:46:29pm

re: #442 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I mean, hell, Trump puts KETCHUP on his STEAK. But even that crime against food isn’t enough to make people stop worshiping him.

He hates dogs ffs.

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MsJ  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:50:16pm

re: #443 HappyWarrior

He hates dogs ffs.

That should be a disqualifier. Period.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:55:17pm

re: #444 MsJ

That should be a disqualifier. Period.

You ain’t kidding. What kind of person hates dogs?

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:56:05pm

I had a thought, and I’ll have to work on articulating it into something simpler but it goes like this: People who fetish the second amendment miss the point of the amendments. The entire purpose of the constitution is to ensure our rights to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” The amendments, including the bill of rights, were added to implement that. The Constitution, though, is just a document made by man, and is incomplete. It cannot override our rights to the three things. If it does, then it is flawed, and should be changed.

Now, the problem with the 2nd amendment fetishists is they’re no longer free. They have allowed themselves to be chained to a part of the document that was meant to help provide a defense of our rights. They have lost the original purpose (yes, I’m ignoring the slavery angle of the 2nd) because they’ve allowed themselves to be convinced that a gun is a magic talisman that will make them superior. The problem in that is that there’s not guarantee of superiority.

Like I said, I need to work on it, because I need to come up with a better way to say someone that tied to the 2nd is no longer a free man. But is a starting thought.

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lawhawk  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:56:14pm

re: #443 HappyWarrior

He hates dogs ffs.

He hates kids. No one has seen him interact with children in any way other than using them as a prop. Kids know a phony innately.

448
lawhawk  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:56:49pm

re: #444 MsJ

That should be a disqualifier. Period.

Terminator rules…. if a dog has a bad feeling - know there’s bad jobu.

449
Pineapple Pizzagate  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:57:18pm

re: #25 Mike Lamb

Have we reached the point in the proceedings where some pastor explains that this happens because we don’t have God in schools?

Yes, that was said, hours before you even asked, by pastor Rick Joyner (pictured here)

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:57:33pm

re: #445 HappyWarrior

You ain’t kidding. What kind of person hates dogs?

Dogs always bark at demons.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:58:46pm

re: #450 bill d. (b.d.)

Dogs always bark at demons.

Sam Winchester, is that you?

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Kragar  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:59:19pm
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 15, 2018 • 4:59:37pm

re: #442 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Dude, not only that, he likes his steak EXTREMELY WELL DONE. That is trash.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:00:13pm

re: #445 HappyWarrior

You ain’t kidding. What kind of person hates dogs?

Who said Trump was a person?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:01:13pm

re: #452 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Ah, yes, the “peace through superior firepower” mantra. Tell me, how did that work out for any of the various European armies, all of whom at one time or another had the greatest concentration of firepower in the world? A million guys with guns are still going to take casualties and lose battles.

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Belafon  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:01:21pm
457
Skip Intro  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:03:34pm

re: #452 Kragar

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:03:44pm

Trump and his people are total fuck ups.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:04:25pm

re: #457 Skip Intro

[Embedded content]

SimPrison, the new game from Maxis Studios.

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lawhawk  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:06:49pm

Not enough firepower?

There were police already on teh campus when the shooter started murdering former classmates.

Not enough firepower?

We’ve seen mass shooters target cops (Dallas!) and get the drop on law enforcement, even when law enforcement has superior firepower (sheer numbers, and types of weapons).

If you think the only thing that will keep people safe is arming teachers, you’re a lost cause. No teacher will ever have the skills needed to deal with an active shooter situation.

Why? Because SWAT trains daily and expends all kinds of time practicing and preparing for active shooter situations.

A teacher’s full time job is teaching and they’re never going to have the time, training, or practice to do anything other than become a statistic when they lose the initiative to a gunman who knows who/what they’re looking to target.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:07:31pm

re: #456 Belafon

You can’t have gods in our schools. An omniscient being would throw off the grading curve and cause all the other students to get bad grades.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:08:41pm

re: #460 lawhawk

The greatest rifleman in the world can still be killed by some schmuck who manages to force his way into his home without waking him up.

463
Skip Intro  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:12:57pm

re: #460 lawhawk

I think the answer is obvious; we have to get rid of the schools.

They are too big a threat to the sacred 2nd Amendment, plus they cost a lot of money and try to educate people which goes against the first pillar of the Trump philosophy:

I love the poorly educated

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:15:17pm

re: #463 Skip Intro

I think the answer is obvious; we have to get rid of the schools.

They are too big a threat to the sacred 2nd Amendment, plus they cost a lot of money and try to educate people which goes against the first pillar of the Trump philosophy:

I like stupid people.

From now on, people will not be allowed to gather in groups of 5 or more within 500 yards of each other. This will effectively prevent mass murders by depriving the bad guy with a gun of targets. So let it be written, so let it be done.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:24:05pm

re: #463 Skip Intro

I think the answer is obvious; we have to get rid of the schools.

They are too big a threat to the sacred 2nd Amendment, plus they cost a lot of money and try to educate people which goes against the first pillar of the Trump philosophy:

I love the poorly educated

When I was doing the radio show a few years ago, one of our guests, a local libertarian party luminary, decried how far “ahead” Oklahoma was in the application of libertarian ideology. He cited some examples and predicted confidently that Oklahoma would be the first state to abolish public schools (“government schools” in Batshit dialect). Now, five years later, they are not too far from it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:25:24pm

re: #452 Kragar

[Embedded content]

WTF. There’s plenty of guns. They’re just in the hands of paranoid fucks.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:26:12pm

re: #466 HappyWarrior

WTF. There’s plenty of guns. They’re just in the hands of paranoid fucks.

Until every literal man, woman, and child is carrying a death machine, there isn’t enough.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:27:42pm

re: #467 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Until every literal man, woman, and child is carrying a death machine, there isn’t enough.

There actually some people who want to mandate gun ownership but you know the individual mandate in healthcare was awful.//

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:28:32pm

re: #467 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

There’s already an average of one per citizen now.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:28:49pm

re: #469 Ace Rothstein

There’s already an average of one per citizen now.

Yes, an average. But, for example, I’m not carrying one. Therefore, not enough.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:29:16pm

re: #468 HappyWarrior

There actually some people who want to mandate gun ownership but you know the individual mandate in healthcare was awful.//

People point to Switzerland for that. Does it occur to them that Switzerland is second to the US in gun deaths per million?

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:30:13pm

re: #470 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

And I read somewhere that over half of all the guns are owned by 3% of the population.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:33:30pm

re: #472 Ace Rothstein

And I read somewhere that over half of all the guns are owned by 3% of the population.

I believe it.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:34:51pm

re: #467 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Until every literal man, woman, and child is carrying a death machine, there isn’t enough.

At one time I would have met ammosexual approval because I routinely carried an M1911 pistol, a .38 revolver, an M-16, a couple of nasty knives, 2 or 3 grenades, and a pack of Camel filters. Of course, this was while I was deployed in a very hot part of Vietnam where it was not batshit crazy to do so.

(Why Camel filters? Oh, I was just listing lethal stuff and reflexively included those.)

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:37:10pm

re: #474 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Filtered? Wimp.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:43:25pm

re: #475 Ace Rothstein

Filtered? Wimp.

Hey, I had to take the hazard reduction where I could find it!

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meteor  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:44:27pm

re: #268 Scottish Dragon

Every year, there are more miscarriages than abortions.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 15, 2018 • 5:54:38pm

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

One of the parents I saw today was wearing a Trump 2020 t-shirt while holding a photo of his daughter who died.

Fuck. Him.


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