Another Big Shoe Drops: Mueller Issues Indictments Against Russian Troll Farm for Working to Elect Donald Trump

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There’s an ancient blogger’s curse that says: “May you never have a slow news day.” And in the Trump era that curse is upon us with a vengeance. Special counsel announces indictment against Russian troll farm.

The Internet Research Agency, which is based in St. Petersburg, Russia, was named in the indictment.

“From in or around 2014 to the present, defendants knowingly and intentionally conspired with each other (and with persons known and unknown to the grand jury) to defraud the United States by impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful functions of the government through fraud and deceit for the purpose of interfering with the U.S. political and electoral processes, including the presidential election of 2016,’’ the indictment states.

The indictment charges that some of the Russian suspects traveled to the United States to gather information to help in the scheme, and that they also impersonated Americans online in order to try to sway voters’ opinions. None of those charged are in custody, according to Peter Carr, a spokesman for the special counsel’s office.

[…]

By February 2016, the suspects had decided whom they were supporting in the 2016 race. According to the indictment, Internet Research Agency specialists were instructed to “use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump — we support them.)”.

Prosecutors say some Russian employees of the troll farm were chastised in September 2016 when they had a “low number of posts dedicated to criticizing Hillary Clinton” and were told it was “imperative to intensify criticizing” the Democratic nominee in future posts.

Other bits of information from this stunning indictment: the Russian trolls were specifically instructed to encourage people to vote for Donald Trump, Jill Stein or Bernie Sanders, and to damage the chances of Hillary Clinton, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. In other words, it was a very determined effort to subvert the election in order to make Donald Trump president of the United States.

And of course, it worked.

Our so-called president has been calling Russian interference “a hoax” and “a witch hunt.” It’s hard to know how much the Russian effort really did influence the election, but one thing’s for sure now that there are actual detailed indictments: something really stinks about Trump’s constant, determined efforts to deride and mock the investigation.

This isn’t over yet.

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506 comments

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:06:13am
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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:06:19am
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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:07:47am
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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:07:51am
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Decatur Deb  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:09:57am

And all Gracious Host wanted to do was to nurse a cold…

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:10:09am

WOOT! FWIW.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:10:43am
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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:10:52am
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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:14:10am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:14:15am

Pleading guilty to ONE count.
He’s giving up a horde of info to get that deal

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:14:22am

re: #7 FormerDirtDart

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Charles Johnson  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:14:34am
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:14:56am

re: #9 MsJ

So slooooowwwww

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:14:57am

This sure smells like a Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization, don’t it?

I wonder what Schneiderman’s presently working on…

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:15:24am

re: #7 FormerDirtDart

Beat me to it! :D

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:15:28am
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thecommodore  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:15:41am

A former NeverTrumper now Trump bootlicker weighs in on the indictments:

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:16:13am

re: #1 FormerDirtDart

Second and third responses, too.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:16:21am

I am so glad to see that this story is front paged here! This is a huge deal and should not fall through the cracks just because we are all still reeling from the massacre is Florida. I hope it gets the news coverage it deserves in the press.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:16:33am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

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Yes and ?

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:16:49am

re: #13 FormerDirtDart

So slooooowwwww

STOP IT! :-D :-D

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:17:13am

re: #17 thecommodore

A former NeverTrumper now Trump bootlicker weighs in on the indictments:

1. Russia didn’t meddle!
2. OK, maybe Russia meddled but nothing illegal!
3. OK, some stuff was illegal but no collusion!

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:19:34am

carryover from previous thread, but re-dropping it here:

Mueller is driving our media world crazy. We do not want slow and methodical, we want bombshells and flashes and shock and awe and we also want to look over everyone’s shoulders and second-guess the experts.

Mueller would not have bothered indicting Russian nationals unless it furthered his investigation into US citizens.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:19:50am
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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:19:53am

Ari Melber is on MSNBC right now and he is emphasizing the new indictment of Mueller’s says there are “known and unknown” co-conspirators in America that worked with the Russians.

Sure, it does not name Trump or anyone associated with him. Yet.

And, from I can tell Ari is saying those “known’ folks are some of the people Mueller is already working with like Flynn, Manafort, Papadopoulos, Gates.

This appears to be two trains on the same track, one coming from Russia and one from the U.S. and they are headed at each other right at a point where Trump’s campaign and businesses stand. All trains being operated by Robert Mueller.

If it all times out right, Trump gets squished when they both crash into reality for Americans with the all the facts.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:19:56am

re: #17 thecommodore

A former NeverTrumper now Trump bootlicker weighs in on the indictments:

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Michael Medved has been a useless hack for years. He is so deep in the right-wing media these days he is no longer capable of seeing the truth, even if it knocks him on the head.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:20:26am

re: #17 thecommodore

A former NeverTrumper now Trump bootlicker weighs in on the indictments:

“Look, they’ve indicted the limo driver. I think we can say the mob boss had nothing to do with it.”

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sagehen  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:21:39am

re: #11 Kragar

GOP: Please just ignore every other day of the election year and just focus on our cherry picked statements about these 2 days.

Two days that were both AFTER the election.

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:21:46am

re: #5 Decatur Deb

And all Gracious Host wanted to do was to nurse a cold…

I bet he is feeling just a little better.

Rob Mueller’s Chicken Soup.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:22:26am

re: #25 ObserverArt

Ari Melber is on MSNBC right now and he is emphasizing the new indictment of Mueller’s says there are “known and unknown” co-conspirators in America that worked with the Russians.

Sure, it does not name Trump or anyone associated with him. Yet.

And, from I can tell Ari is saying those “known’ folks are some of the people Mueller is already working with like Flynn, Manafort, Papadopoulos, Gates.

This appears to be two trains on the same track, one coming from Russia and one from the U.S. and they are headed at each other right at a point where Trump’s campaign and businesses stand. All trains being operated by Robert Mueller.

If it all times out right, Trump gets squished when they both crash into reality for Americans with the all the facts.

“So this investigation is basically all done, nothing to see here, please disperse.”

/

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:22:40am

re: #29 ObserverArt

I bet he is feeling just a little better.

Rob Mueller’s Chicken Soup.

Ooh, that reminds me - lunch!

[ runs off to kitchen ]

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:22:47am

re: #22 Sir John Barron

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EPR-radar  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:23:14am

re: #26 Hecuba’s daughter

Michael Medved has been a useless hack for years. He is so deep in the right-wing media these days he is no longer capable of seeing the truth, even if it knocks him on the head.

The entire US right is grievously reality-impaired. Reality-capable conservatives are like true-believing Stalinists — there’s only a few dozen of each, even though the US is a big country.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:23:38am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:25:11am

How soon they forget that Trump said loudly that he believed Putin when Putin said he didn’t interfere. Trump cultists are useless.

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:25:19am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:25:22am

re: #25 ObserverArt

Ari Melber is on MSNBC right now and he is emphasizing the new indictment of Mueller’s says there are “known and unknown” co-conspirators in America that worked with the Russians.

Sure, it does not name Trump or anyone associated with him. Yet.

And, from I can tell Ari is saying those “known’ folks are some of the people Mueller is already working with like Flynn, Manafort, Papadopoulos, Gates.

This appears to be two trains on the same track, one coming from Russia and one from the U.S. and they are headed at each other right at a point where Trump’s campaign and businesses stand. All trains being operated by Robert Mueller.

If it all times out right, Trump gets squished when they both crash into reality for Americans with the all the facts.

Having been peripherally involved in efforts where Fed agencies are building complex cases against high-resource targets (cartel kingpins, money-launderers), the case is unfolding pretty much along the very same lines.
—Put up wiretaps.
—Flip vulnerable low-level stooges. Get them to wear wires.
—Work them up the chain.
—Cut off access to resources in other countries.
—Indict mid-level guys and see what kind of panic that induces further up the chain

Right now, Mueller and his team are watching very, VERY carefully to see how the higher-profile, as-yet-unindicted conspirators react. Usually what happens is someone freaks about their money and moves it. Or whacks a subordinate who was about to squeal.

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:25:25am

re: #14 makeitstop

This sure smells like a Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization, don’t it?

I wonder what Schneiderman’s presently working on…

I said “Hello RICO!” in the last thread.

That is where this is going.

And if I am thinking correctly, that doesn’t even need to be directly tied to The Big Orange Don, just that it all was to his benefit and operated by too many people he employs and works with, etc.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:25:33am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:25:47am

re: #32 MsJ

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:26:11am

re: #36 Kragar

She missed the part where we thought the Russians were trying to divide the Democratic party.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:26:49am

re: #36 Kragar

Those wide, empty-eyes are horrifying.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:26:49am

re: #35 HappyWarrior

How soon they forget that Trump said loudly that he believed Putin when Putin said he didn’t interfere. Trump cultists are useless.

“OK, but Putin didn’t know about all this. He doesn’t control much in Russia anyway.”

///

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Charles Johnson  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:27:17am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:27:42am

re: #43 Sir John Barron

“OK, but Putin didn’t know about all this. He doesn’t control much in Russia anyway.”

///

But we also love Putin because he’s so strong and manly unlike Obama.//

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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:28:05am

ok just for fun and dont hurt me

There’s an ancient blogger’s curse that says: “May you never have a slow news day.”

25 years?

or do i just have no sense of humor - which i’ve been told lotsa times

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:31:15am

re: #44 Charles Johnson

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:31:30am

What would make me ultimately thrilled to pieces is if Mueller could tie Fox News to this Russian investigation.

There really has to be consequences for propaganda.

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:32:54am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:33:02am

re: #48 MsJ

What would make me ultimately thrilled to pieces is if Mueller could tie Fox News to this Russian investigation.

There really has to be consequences for propaganda.

I think that Fox News is too savvy to let something like that trip them up…cannot say the same of the Trump organization, though

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:33:49am

Here’s some ways this could play out:

1. Jared Kushner does what Steve Bannon predicted - the little pussy “cracks like an egg” when the FBI does a predawn raid and hauls him away to sweat in The Box

2. Russian oligarchs wonder if their stolen money is *really* safe now that the FBI is sniffing around. So they check on it. Even move it from one bank to another. And then it gets seized, and all hell breaks loose in the Kremlin.

3. Stephen Miller is brought in for questioning. The arrogant idiot goes off-script and starts yammering crazy shit. Then he’s indicted for lying to Federal agents. Then he flips.

4. Rebekah Mercer’s connections to the pipeline between the GOP research and the Internet Research Agency start becoming troublesome. The Feds seize records, and look to prep a RICO case. Breitbart and half the right-wing media seize up.

5. Now that there are indictments up, the Feds start really looking into where all the “Dark Money” that flowed into the GOP coffers in 2016 came from. Surprise! Some of it was from Russia!

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Charles Johnson  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:34:09am
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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:34:52am
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Kilroy was here  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:35:24am

Can every week be infrastructure week?
I really like the indictment part.

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:35:27am

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson

@Green_Footballs
Something tells me the Trumpanzees are going to be even more dim-witted and deliberately obtuse than usual today.

2:25 PM - Feb 16, 2018

This is like the scene in The Exorcist, where the two priests are deep into the Catholic exorcism and little cute Regan is now a vomit spewing, head turning, body levitating, false image of reality demon trying to remain in control (of the Fox news and wingnut narrative) body.

It will be messy…but you gotta keep the faith!

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:35:41am

re: #48 MsJ

What would make me ultimately thrilled to pieces is if Mueller could tie Fox News to this Russian investigation.

There really has to be consequences for propaganda.

Yes. THIS. The Fox Propaganda Network is the root from which this evil plant sprouts. We can get rid of Trump - but he’s just a symptom of the prion disease that the right-wing TV/radio networks have infected 1/3 of America with.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:36:12am

re: #52 Charles Johnson

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A lot of people left and right dismissed it. The Sanders people bare a lot of responsibility for this mess by refusing to see how they were played by the Russians.

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:37:06am
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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:37:43am

re: #50 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think that Fox News is too savvy to let something like that trip them up…cannot say the same of the Trump organization, though

I dunno. They were stupid enough to get caught up in the phone scandal in the UK.

Hubris makes folks get sloppy. And a lot of the folks at Fox aren’t real smart to begin with (side-eyes Hannity).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:38:09am

re: #58 Kragar

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You were praising Putin as a macho man.stfu.

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:38:12am

re: #51 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Here’s some ways this could play out:

1. Jared Kushner does what Steve Bannon predicted - the little pussy “cracks like an egg” when the FBI does a predawn raid and hauls him away to sweat in The Box

2. Russian oligarchs wonder if their stolen money is *really* safe now that the FBI is sniffing around. So they check on it. Even move it from one bank to another. And then it gets seized, and all hell breaks loose in the Kremlin.

3. Stephen Miller is brought in for questioning. The arrogant idiot goes off-script and starts yammering crazy shit. Then he’s indicted for lying to Federal agents. Then he flips.

4. Rebekah Mercer’s connections to the pipeline between the GOP research and the Internet Research Agency start becoming troublesome. The Feds seize records, and look to prep a RICO case. Breitbart and half the right-wing media seize up.

5. Now that there are indictments up, the Feds start really looking into where all the “Dark Money” that flowed into the GOP coffers in 2016 came from. Surprise! Some of it was from Russia!

Is it hot in here? Have I mentioned that I am really wet right now? Just mentioning that.

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:38:52am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:39:02am

re: #58 Kragar

This needs to end

I see, so YOU’VE been warning us all for months and years about the insidiousness of Putin and Russia and now that these indictments have come down you want the investigation you’ve always called a hoax to end? Is that it?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:39:08am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:39:50am

re: #58 Kragar

We have been warning everyone about Putin and Russian operatives in the USA for a long time. That’s the BIG story of Uranium one. This needs to end.

— Sean Hannity

Oh, yeah, that’s what these indictments are about. How Russian operatives interfered in the 2016 to get Uranium One a few years ago.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:39:59am

Hannity I think is complicit somehow.

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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:40:05am

re: #58 Kragar

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irrefutable reality will eventually smack them in the face

who does and doesnt get:
indictments
pleas
deals
jail time

sure, they’ll try and spin it and keep resurrecting “uranium” and other stuff

the final score dont lie

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:41:00am
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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:42:39am

re: #63 Sir John Barron

I see, so YOU’VE been warning us all for months and years about the insidiousness of Putin and Russia and now that these indictments have come down you want the investigation you’ve always called a hoax to end? Is that it?

didnt all those guys at the intelligence briefing this week say trumps not interested in this very issue?

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:42:42am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Hannity I think is complicit somehow.

You gotta wonder about that. Did he facilitate some meetings? Did he know or lend out some social media data or workers to the Trump campaign from Fox?

Did he get phone calls with orders to lay out a specific line of propaganda - that now can be traced back to the Russians?

What kind of crime would that turn out to be? Lawhawk, what say you?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:43:08am
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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:43:53am
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:43:59am

re: #42 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Those wide, empty-eyes are horrifying.

Didn’t she go to Harvard?

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:44:22am

Just out of curiosity has the uncouth one made any remarks regarding the latest indictments?

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:44:52am

Another bad week for the Lock Her Up crowd, I’d say.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:45:18am

re: #68 Kragar

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:47:34am
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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:47:35am

Thread

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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:49:25am

re: #69 dangerman

didnt all those guys at the intelligence briefing this week say trumps not interested in this very issue?

this one

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:49:46am

NYC Conflicts of Interest Board celebrates the Year of the Dog!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:49:54am

re: #77 Scottish Dragon

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Yawn.

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:50:19am
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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:51:28am
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:51:43am

re: #82 Kragar

Increasingly possible.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:52:06am

ABC had a special last November about a Russian troll farm. Too lazy to watch again to see if it’s the one Muller just targeted. Pretty fascinating actually. Video at link.

abcnews.go.com

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:52:32am
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Mike Lamb  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:52:39am

At least part of Fox’s spin is that they organized against Trump after the election? Do I really have that right?

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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:52:57am

re: #76 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I dunno. Right-wing propagandists are telling me that this has cleared any Americans of being part of this. According to them, this is just the Russians doing what they do. Their audience is in for a shock.

they have done this dance every time an indictment comes out or big news of a plea or whatever drops

as if its the final, conclusive end all and be all

they dont seem to get they’re not done. there’s more coming

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:54:24am

I’m always here for The Wire references.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:54:40am

re: #72 Kragar

And remember, the Clinton campaign turned down contact offers from Russia; Trump’s didn’t.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:54:44am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:56:37am

re: #49 MsJ

Big news from Mueller indictment: Russians stole a page from Republican playbook & tried to suppress minority turnout for HRC, spread lies about voter fraud in 2016

our system was weak and susceptible to meddling and the Russians were foolish not to take advantage of it to promote their own interests.

politically speaking, we were a tipsy girl at a fraternity party and Russia was the bro with the roofies ready to pounce…

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:57:21am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:57:33am

re: #51 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Here’s some ways this could play out:

1. Jared Kushner does what Steve Bannon predicted - the little pussy “cracks like an egg” when the FBI does a predawn raid and hauls him away to sweat in The Box

2. Russian oligarchs wonder if their stolen money is *really* safe now that the FBI is sniffing around. So they check on it. Even move it from one bank to another. And then it gets seized, and all hell breaks loose in the Kremlin.

3. Stephen Miller is brought in for questioning. The arrogant idiot goes off-script and starts yammering crazy shit. Then he’s indicted for lying to Federal agents. Then he flips.

4. Rebekah Mercer’s connections to the pipeline between the GOP research and the Internet Research Agency start becoming troublesome. The Feds seize records, and look to prep a RICO case. Breitbart and half the right-wing media seize up.

5. Now that there are indictments up, the Feds start really looking into where all the “Dark Money” that flowed into the GOP coffers in 2016 came from. Surprise! Some of it was from Russia!

again, Mueller would not have indicted Russians for the sake of indicting Russians, this is just another piece of the puzzle

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 11:57:40am

re: #58 Kragar

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Oh look, Sean Hannity is speeding to depants himself. Again.

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:00:55pm

re: #74 PhillyPretzel

Just out of curiosity has the uncouth one made any remarks regarding the latest indictments?

I think I heard he already is running with the same slant as Hannity.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:01:00pm

re: #50 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think that Fox News is too savvy to let something like that trip them up…cannot say the same of the Trump organization, though

Remember the Navy SEAL FOX had as an expert… who wasn’t a SEAL after all… Just an educated hunch, but FOX is neck deep in this too.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:02:02pm

From the Nance thread on Russians being indicted.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:03:22pm

Look at this nuthingburger no collusion shut it down release the memo!

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:03:38pm
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Citizen K  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:06:18pm

The North Carolina GOP has instituted possibly the most successful coup in modern American history. And there seems to be literally zero way to get it out of their hands because they control all the nominal levers of addressing this.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:06:57pm

re: #96 ObserverArt

Rush was yelling about how this proved what he had said all along (natch) that there was no collusion because the Russians held rallies for Clinton AND for Trump on the same day. I didn’t realize (because El Rushbo wasn’t telling his audience) that these were after the election.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:07:55pm

LOL

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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:08:25pm

re: #102 Flying Squirrel Girl

Rush was yelling about how this proved what he had said all along (natch) that there was no collusion because the Russians held rallies for Clinton AND for Trump on the same day. I didn’t realize (because El Rushbo wasn’t telling his audience) that these were after the election.

if he included that irrelevant tidbit he couldnt have flogged it for 3 hours

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:09:16pm
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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:09:21pm

At least Mueller hasn’t indicted Trump! Shut it down! MAGA!

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:09:44pm

re: #102 Flying Squirrel Girl

Rush was yelling about how this proved what he had said all along (natch) that there was no collusion because the Russians held rallies for Clinton AND for Trump on the same day. I didn’t realize (because El Rushbo wasn’t telling his audience) that these were after the election.

I wonder why this detail was included in the indictment?

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:10:25pm

He stated all “illegals” should be killed
video embedded in the article is NSFW

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Mike Lamb  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:10:27pm

Also, NOW Faux Newz thinks there is merit to the Mueller investigation?

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:11:04pm

By Hannity’s show tonight wingnuts will be claiming the indictment showed how the Russians only attacked Trump and that Hillary should be indicted.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:11:17pm

re: #101 Citizen K

The North Carolina GOP has instituted possibly the most successful coup in modern American history. And there seems to be literally zero way to get it out of their hands because they control all the nominal levers of addressing this.

A lawsuit will be immediately filed, I bet, to strike that part down as well.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:11:27pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:12:57pm

You know, I sort of forgot…Ronan Farrow had his story in Vanity Fair this morning about The Big Orange Don’s extramarital affairs and how he hid them, etc.

So, today we have the culmination of a week of bad moves regarding the Power wife abuse, then mid-week Cohen talks about paying Stormy from his own pocket, this morning the Vanity Fair article (building on Stormy story) and now the Mueller indictment.

I can hear the boiling from here.

And Trump is on his way to Florida to speak to the people about the shootings.

If those folks down there give him all kinds of hell, he may just blow up by days end. He sure is going to be cranky.

Hmm. I bet he spends most of his time in Florida crying about fake news, witchunts, and unfairness. But he is cleared!

Just what upset parents and students want to hear.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:14:30pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:14:57pm

re: #112 Scottish Dragon

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:16:44pm

re: #108 FormerDirtDart

He stated all “illegals” should be killed
video embedded in the article is NSFW

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Asshole.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:17:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:17:12pm

re: #115 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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I’m so sick of this pedantic bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:17:51pm

re: #117 JordanRules

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Can’t wait to see the wingnuts lash out at these kids for demanding their school be free of guns.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:17:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:18:22pm

re: #114 FormerDirtDart

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Hypocrisy much Rick?

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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:19:26pm

re: #113 ObserverArt

there’s more:

the most unethical swamp ever

More than 40 percent of Trump’s first Cabinet-level picks have faced ethical or other controversies

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:20:43pm

re: #122 dangerman

there’s more:

the most unethical swamp ever

When Rick Perry is one of your more ethical picks….

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:20:47pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

Asshole.

Trump and the Republican party make people feel like it’s OK to put on a show of being an asshole.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:20:52pm
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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:21:06pm
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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:21:40pm

re: #120 JordanRules

I was just thinking about the fact that whites in Mississippi (or one of the other southern states) shut schools down for three years to avoid desegregation.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:21:55pm

re: #126 JordanRules

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Very well done. Rubio is a NRA stamp coward.

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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:22:37pm

re: #115 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Pulling a trigger dozens of times a minute is easy. In Virtual Reality games I pull a trigger once a second or faster. There’s no reason a psycho with a gun would have a hard time with this.

or two guns, or…

these people need to stop with their pathetic pedantic arguments and work on preventing the first shot

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:22:42pm

re: #127 Belafon

I was just thinking about the fact that whites in Mississippi (or one of the other southern states) shut schools down for three years to avoid desegregation.

Arkansas I think in response to Little Rock.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:23:11pm

re: #124 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Trump and the Republican party make people feel like it’s OK to put on a show of being an asshole.

Absolutely. He’s made this acceptable.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:23:14pm
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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:23:26pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

I’m so sick of this pedantic bullshit.

i just used the same damn word - right after you

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Citizen K  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:23:44pm

Yes, you orange turd, because it’s not possible that anyone could have joined the criminal conspiracy after it started. Nope, the fact that campaigns started in ‘15 meant that no way Russians could have been involved.

Holy fuck, if this man wasn’t so damn dangerous, he’d be hilarious.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:25:03pm

re: #134 Citizen K

Yes, you orange turd, because it’s not possible that anyone could have joined the criminal conspiracy after it started. Nope, the fact that campaigns started in ‘15 meant that no way Russians could have been involved.

Holy fuck, if this man wasn’t so damn dangerous, he’d be hilarious.

“We should start interfering in elections.”
“But we don’t have a candidate yet.”
“Well, then, never mind.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:26:23pm

re: #133 dangerman

i just used the same damn word - right after you

Oh you don’t have an encyclopedic knowledge of guns so you should shut up. Fuck them and their stupid guns.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:26:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:27:33pm

re: #134 Citizen K

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Yes, you orange turd, because it’s not possible that anyone could have joined the criminal conspiracy after it started. Nope, the fact that campaigns started in ‘15 meant that no way Russians could have been involved.

Holy fuck, if this man wasn’t so damn dangerous, he’d be hilarious.

What a fucking idiot. Btw Hillary didn’t either but you still accuse her but wait you’re a stupid hack.

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:27:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:28:29pm

re: #137 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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I want the NRA to go bankrupt & LaPierre to have guns destroyed in front of his sorry ass.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:29:35pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

Amen.

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:29:50pm

Malcolm Nance helpfully points out where timelines coincided…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:30:46pm

He may not have formally announced until 15 but it was obvious he was looking at running.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:32:01pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

I gotta admit, I thought all of his “will I or won’t I” shit every year was just to drive ratings for The Apprentice. I was so incredibly naive.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:32:19pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Very well done. Rubio is a NRA stamp coward.

When Rubio lies his ears get bigger. Take a look at a photo from five years ago and then now. Just sayin’.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:32:39pm

re: #144 Flying Squirrel Girl

I gotta admit, I thought all of his “will I or won’t I” shit every year was just to drive ratings for The Apprentice. I was so incredibly naive.

We wish we could have been that lucky.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:32:45pm

re: #71 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Dee Dee
@DavinaTaff1
Replying to @mitchellvii
Turns out Russia did exactly what I’ve said all along and the loony left fell right into their trap and helped do their dirty work. Russia’s goal was to sew discord and the left went right along with it and continue to work towards Russia’s goal today.

Jeff Furlington
@FurlingtonJeff
The people you call “the loony left” are the reality based community. You’re responding to a propagandist, who helps keep the American-right in a fantasy-world.
1:41 PM - Feb 16, 2018
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Twitter Ads info and privacy
1h

Larry Goudge
@havasusun
Replying to @DavinaTaff1 @mitchellvii
Teach your youngsters on how to recognize a left wing instructor and let you know. You should expose this activity and demand a stop to the brainwashing. This is a Marxist recruitment tool.

Jeff Furlington
@FurlingtonJeff
Right-wing propagandists call mainstream Americans “Marxists”. Hate-radio-far-right blogs, and Fox News have destroyed a lot of minds.
1:42 PM - Feb 16, 2018

I don’t know Dee Dee — but I do know left wing LockHerUppers and HillaryForJail people — they were as gullible as the right wing and spread these lies as eagerly.

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:33:07pm
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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:36:40pm

re: #148 Kragar

“Oh well I was only talking to my MAGA base anyway, they won’t care.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:36:51pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

I want the NRA to go bankrupt & LaPierre to have guns destroyed in front of his sorry ass.

I won’t be pleased unless LaPierre ends up in prison for treason and personally bankrupted!!

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Citizen K  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:37:00pm

re: #149 Sir John Barron

“Oh well I was only talking to my MAGA base anyway, they won’t care.”

Sad thing is that may be exactly right.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:37:30pm

re: #147 Hecuba’s daughter

Turns out Russia did exactly what I’ve said all along and the loony left fell right into their trap and helped do their dirty work. Russia’s goal was to sew discord and the left went right along with it and continue to work towards Russia’s goal today.

Nothing in this MAGAbot’s paragraph makes any sense or relates at all to the details in the indictments.

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:37:55pm
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:39:21pm

I find it interesting that after Mueller indicted these Russians, Trump didn’t tweet anything about how terrible it was that they tried to mess with our election and we must use every avenue possible to prevent it from happening in the future, but tweeted that it proved there was no collusion.

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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:39:57pm

re: #137 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Well done. We need to always mention that these are corrupt politicians, bought by the NRA, that care more about money than lives.

AND than trying anything at all

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:39:59pm

re: #154 Ace Rothstein

I find it interesting that after Mueller indicted these Russians, Trump didn’t tweet anything about how terrible it was that they tried to mess with our election and we must use every avenue possible to prevent it from happening in the future, but tweeted that it proved there was no collusion.

It’s almost as if Trumpy doesn’t care about the country at all and only cares about himself.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:40:10pm

re: #154 Ace Rothstein

So the same thing he always says then.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:41:05pm

re: #157 JordanRules

So the same thing he always says then.

After Mueller indicts Trump for collusion the response will still be “See, no collusion just like I always said!”

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:41:15pm

re: #156 Sir John Barron

I know, right?!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:41:34pm

re: #134 Citizen K

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Yes, you orange turd, because it’s not possible that anyone could have joined the criminal conspiracy after it started. Nope, the fact that campaigns started in ‘15 meant that no way Russians could have been involved.

Holy fuck, if this man wasn’t so damn dangerous, he’d be hilarious.

A lot of morons are gloating that they were right that Trump is innocent and the media made this up. They really want to believe.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:42:04pm
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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:42:34pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

He may not have formally announced until 15 but it was obvious he was looking at running.

There’s documented history of it. He’s flirted with it for decades.

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:43:16pm

re: #162 JordanRules

There’s documented history of it. He’s flirted with it for decades.

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Jay C  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:43:40pm

re: #156 Sir John Barron

It’s almost as if Trumpy doesn’t care about the country at all and only cares about himself.

“Almost”??

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:43:50pm

re: #155 dangerman

AND than trying anything at all

If they try anything, the extremist NRA will stop the firehose of cash.
What these morons entirely fail to understand is that inaction on this will lead to over-reaction when something is finally done. We could have banned weapons meant for mass-murder, and they’ll wind up losing all their guns when enough voters have experienced or know someone who has experienced a mass-shooting.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:44:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:44:10pm

re: #162 JordanRules

There’s documented history of it. He’s flirted with it for decades.

Yep as early as 88 I wanna say.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:44:31pm

re: #156 Sir John Barron

It’s almost as if Trumpy doesn’t care about the country at all and only cares about himself.

You have a gift for understatement. Are you British?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:44:43pm
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:45:29pm

re: #162 JordanRules

There’s documented history of it. He’s flirted with it for decades.

He was on George HW Bush’s short list for VP in 1988.

Correction: 1992.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:46:22pm

re: #170 Ace Rothstein

He was on George HW Bush’s short list for VP in 1988.

Never thought I’d say this but thank goodness for Dan Quayle.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:46:51pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:48:36pm

re: #172 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Right wingers can talk about stockpiling military weapons and get applauded as being anti tyranny. Black people get upset at a non verdict or indictment of a cop killing an unarmed man and they’re “as bad as the KKK”.

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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:48:36pm

re: #137 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I hope we’ve reached a tipping point. When a classroom of dead kindergartners didn’t do it, it looked hopeless, but the constant grind of shooting after shooting seems to be gaining traction with the public

this is bizarro thinking - no not on your part. it’s where we are.

vegas shot nearly 500 voters. i dont know exact ages. it didnt move the needle.
sandy hook they were too young. and i guess the fact that they all had parents who are voters - well - didnt move the needle.
every time - we think “this one”, and then the stupid platitudes and nothing

differences here:
older kids, not quite adults. soon will be. potential voters. some may already be registered.
and real time, in your face, while it happened, social media. this affected all their friends, followers - local and anonymous on every platform - everyone experienced the gunfire in real time.

these kids people are pissed

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:49:05pm

Thread, that continues to grow as I type

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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:49:18pm
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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:49:26pm

re: #170 Ace Rothstein

He was on George HW Bush’s short list for VP in 1988.

Wow, I had no idea about this.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:50:36pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:51:39pm

re: #178 JordanRules

No one plans to be radicalized. People spent a lot of money to twist up the American-right.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:51:54pm

re: #177 Sir John Barron

Wow, I had no idea about this.

I thought I had heard he was vetted but didn’t know he made the shortlist. Again “thank goodness for Quayle.”

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:52:01pm

re: #175 FormerDirtDart

Thread, that continues to grow as I type

Well we do know that Wikileaks-Russia hacked the DNC and the press dutifully printed all the emails and that Trumpy talked on the stump about all those emails, among which were the seeds of the ludicrous “Pizza-gate” rumors which brought a MAGAbot with a gun to the establishment in question, so actually we do know quite a bit about Russia’s impact and Donny’s collusion with them.

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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:52:02pm

re: #156 Sir John Barron

It’s almost as if Trumpy doesn’t care about the country at all and only cares about himself.

from some guy on disqus:

…Trump’s loyalties are only to himself. He might think that his interests are best served by playing a game of helping the Russians meddle in US affairs and elections, but he does not care about either government at all. He only cares about his own aggrandizement, proving he has more things, more money, more whores, more power and flaunting it. It is disgraceful for the GOP to support him.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:52:04pm

re: #176 Kragar

That act by Scott is on orders from Trump. I predicted last night that the FBI would be attacked in some way, and here we are.

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Jay C  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:52:40pm

re: #165 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

If they try anything, the extremist NRA will stop the firehose of cash.
What these morons entirely fail to understand is that inaction on this will lead to over-reaction when something is finally done. We could have banned weapons meant for mass-murder, and they’ll wind up losing all their guns when enough voters have experienced or know someone who has experienced a mass-shooting.

Well, to be precise, they’re more likely to redirect that “firehose of cash” to candidates who can be relied upon to push the NRA line: however, that has its own potential drawback: making NRA support toxic to the voting public is an uphill task, but, I think, CAN be done. Maybe not everywhere, but possibly in enough districts* that it can be seen to make an electoral difference. And once the image of the NRA as this invincible, un-crossable political Juggernaut is broken, it will probably be hard to put together again. Hopefully, never….

*on a Federal/Congressional level, anyway: State governments are another (and possibly hopeless) matter.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:52:50pm

re: #179 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

No one plans to be radicalized. People spent a lot of money to twist up the American-right.

It’s easy to do. The old Soviet dudes in their Dachas are kicking themselves right now tho proud of Vlad.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:52:54pm

In list format:

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Kilroy was here  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:55:05pm

Betty Bowers at work on guns..
Warning.. it has Ted Cruz in it.. Being Ted Cruz

Ted Cruz’s Top 10 Tips for Being an Being a Hooker for the NRA

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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:55:13pm

re: #165 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

If they try anything, the extremist NRA will stop the firehose of cash.
What these morons entirely fail to understand is that inaction on this will lead to over-reaction when something is finally done. We could have banned weapons meant for mass-murder, and they’ll wind up losing all their guns when enough voters have experienced or know someone who has experienced a mass-shooting.

yes. all of it.
and it’s sad we have to get to the italics for there to be enough political clout to get anything done

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:55:25pm

re: #181 Sir John Barron

Well we do know that Wikileaks-Russia hacked the DNC and the press dutifully printed all the emails and that Trumpy talked on the stump about all those emails, among which were the seeds of the ludicrous “Pizza-gate” rumors which brought a MAGAbot with a gun to the establishment in question, so actually we do know quite a bit about Russia’s impact and Donny’s collusion with them.

Although I realize that today’s indictments were not about this. Can’t wait until the Mueller gets around to indicting WL for the DNC hacks, assuming those are indictable offenses.

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darthstar  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:56:25pm
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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:56:37pm

Supreme Bowl!!!!
Yum.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:56:52pm

Somebody read Ronan Farrow’s article in the New Yorker

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Weaselone  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:58:12pm

re: #176 Kragar

I’m not Wray’s biggest fan, but how is he responsible for this? It’s not as though this alert crossed his desk personally and Trump and Sessions are far more responsible for the diversion of FBI resources and focus from monitoring the Far White than he his.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:58:20pm

re: #192 Blind Frog Belly White

Stay in DC then and stop spending our money on 2 separate trips, shit.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:59:19pm
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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 12:59:44pm

re: #191 JordanRules

Supreme Bowl!!!!
Yum.

Yeah I gave Chris Long a Twitter follow a while back.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:01:11pm

re: #191 JordanRules

Supreme Bowl!!!!
Yum.

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The Supreme Bowl? E iu tovaritch? He’s right btw. I hate what Schilling says but he has a right to say them just as I do to tell Schilling to fuck off.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:01:23pm

I’m actually pretty surprised anybody was indicted for the Russian meddling, as happened today, and I bet no Trumpbots thought anyone would be indicted either. This won’t likely be a comfortable weekend for them.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:02:30pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:03:09pm

re: #194 JordanRules

Stay in DC then and stop spending our money on 2 separate trips, shit.

again, imagine the reaction to Michelle travelling separately following admissions of Obama’s lawyer paying hush money to a porn starlet…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:03:30pm

re: #190 darthstar

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I’m remembering the scene from “Family Business”, where Sean Connery is telling Matthew Broderick how to handle prison…

“You pick out a tough guy, kick his ass right away, give him a real good beating. Word gets around, and it makes your time easier.”

” They don’t put you in solitary?”

“No, nobody wants trouble. So you do it out of sight, no one asks questions, the story is, “He fell.”“

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darthstar  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:03:51pm

re: #192 Blind Frog Belly White

Somebody read Ronan Farrow’s article in the New Yorker

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Her secret service detail must get tired of her asking them if they can stop at a gun store on the way to Mar a Lago.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:04:02pm

re: #200 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, imagine the reaction to Michelle travelling separately following admissions of Obama’s lawyer paying hush money to a porn starlet…

Fox News would lead with it all weekend.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:04:55pm

re: #198 Sir John Barron

I’m actually pretty surprised anybody was indicted for the Russian meddling, as happened today, and I bet no Trumpbots thought anyone would be indicted either. This won’t likely be a comfortable weekend for them.

And today’s indictments actually exposed a deeper level of Russian meddling than even I had expected.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:05:31pm

re: #195 Ace-o-aces

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The big bags of Cheetos and cases of Mountain Dew.

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Citizen K  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:07:39pm

Splinter gets way ‘lefter-than-thou’ way too much these days…but still, this piece is pretty much across the plate:

The New York Times Is Melting Down

Look, sometimes you tweet bad tweets. (Who among us, etc.) Usually, the best response when this happens is to listen to what people are saying, take the criticism in stride, and apologize. The worst response is to double down, which is exactly what The New York Times has been doing—and it’s causing a full-fledged meltdown at the paper.

[…]

On Friday, after days of this insanity, the entire leadership of the Times—CEO Mark Thompson, executive editor Dean Baquet, and Bennet—issued a very stern “note on civility” to remind everyone to “engage with each other constructively.” (Times editors: They get the job done!)

That the note even needed to be sent is a sign of how badly things have broken down, but the change that’s needed isn’t more civility—it’s an honest grappling with what Bennet and his team have wrought, and what it’s doing to the paper as a whole. The Times is losing its shit over what have been a slew of legitimate and (mainly) level-headed criticisms, including from their own employees. Its response has been to do what the Times op-ed section does over and over again: Instead of spending any time listening to the world, it is trying to opine its way out of its mess.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:07:45pm
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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:08:13pm

re: #200 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, imagine the reaction to Michelle travelling separately following admissions of Obama’s lawyer paying hush money to a porn starlet…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:08:19pm

re: #203 Sir John Barron

Fox News would lead with it all weekend.

Well, to be fair, EVERY outlet would cover it all weekend.

The difference is, Fox would still be covering it 20 years later, like they keep running specials on Bill Clinton’s Penis today.

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darthstar  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:09:32pm

re: #202 darthstar

Her secret service detail must get tired of her asking them if they can stop at a gun store on the way to Mar a Lago.

BTW, even just flying to Florida has become a shit show for this team.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:10:00pm
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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:10:28pm
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jaunte  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:11:01pm
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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:11:08pm

re: #209 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, to be fair, EVERY outlet would cover it all weekend.

The difference is, Fox would still be covering it 20 years later, like they keep running specials on Bill Clinton’s Penis today.

But no outlet will cover this for very long.

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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:11:10pm

re: #201 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m remembering the scene from “Family Business”, where Sean Connery is telling Matthew Broderick how to handle prison…

“You pick out a tough guy, kick his ass right away, give him a real good beating. Word gets around, and it makes your time easier.”

” They don’t put you in solitary?”

“No, nobody wants trouble. So you do it out of sight, no one asks questions, the story is, “He fell.”“

done in 1958 in The Sheepman (in a chinese restaurant. in some town somewhere in ‘the old west’)
it’s a big part of the early plot

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:11:51pm

I forgot how pathetic this tweet looked. What a traitorous dweeb.

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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:11:52pm

re: #203 Sir John Barron

Fox News would lead with it all weekend.

fox news would still be discussing it

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:12:00pm

re: #204 Sir John Barron

And today’s indictments actually exposed a deeper level of Russian meddling than even I had expected.

One of the things highlighted was a someone using an account called “Blacktivist” saying “Vote Jill Stein for peace! Your vote won’t be wasted, believe me!”

I can’t confirm it, but I’m almost certain my Idiot Brother shared or liked a post on FB just like this before the election.

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whitebeach  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:12:03pm

Lock ‘em up.

All of ‘em, Katie.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:12:40pm

re: #211 Ace-o-aces

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Yeah because professors know the personal politics of all their students. Maybe you got lower grades because you’re a stupid ass, Charlie. Try some of that famous conservative personal responsibility on yourself for once.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:13:16pm

re: #216 JordanRules

I forgot how pathetic this tweet looked. What a traitorous dweeb.

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Pathetic, AND prophetic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:13:56pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

Yeah because professors know the personal politics of all their students. Maybe you got lower grades because you’re a stupid ass, Charlie. Try some of that famous conservative personal responsibility on yourself for once.

again, Internet memes are not the way to discuss anything of substance, they can at best present talking points.

But they have come to represent the culmination and full extent of modern political discourse today.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:14:24pm

re: #222 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, Internet memes are not the way to discuss anything of substance, they can at best present talking points.

But they have come to represent the culmination and full extent of modern political discourse today.

That’s not a meme.

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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:15:55pm

re: #209 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, to be fair, EVERY outlet would cover it all weekend.

The difference is, Fox would still be covering it 20 years later, like they keep running specials on Bill Clinton’s Penis today.

i defer

re: #217 dangerman

fox news would still be discussing it

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:16:02pm

re: #216 JordanRules

I forgot how pathetic this tweet looked. What a traitorous dweeb.

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He really thinks Putin sees him as something other than a gullible pawn.

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jaunte  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:16:14pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

That’s not a meme.

It’s just bullshit in .jpg form.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:16:15pm

re: #211 Ace-o-aces

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Someone never learned not to lead with their chin…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:16:43pm

re: #226 jaunte

It’s just bullshit in .jpg form.

From a professional moron.

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jaunte  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:16:44pm

“Alt rgb.”

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Mike Lamb  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:17:06pm

re: #207 FormerDirtDart

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Except there is only one “emphasis” that makes any sense whatsoever.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:17:16pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

And I’m glad I get to see New Yorker cartoons now via social media. I only had one aunt with a subscription back in the day and when I was little I loved thumbing thru it.

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jaunte  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:17:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:18:08pm

re: #231 JordanRules

And I’m glad I get to see New Yorker cartoons now via social media. I only had one aunt with a subscription back in the day and when I was little I loved thumbing thru it.

I like Borowitz.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:18:50pm

re: #207 FormerDirtDart

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:19:06pm

re: #232 jaunte

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I had forgotten that. JFC. May as well announced the hiring of A. Hungry Fox to guard the henhouse.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:19:12pm
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lawhawk  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:19:16pm

re: #72 Kragar

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Knowingly accepted the help.

And we come right back around to the June 2016 meeting that Trumpworld lied extensively about. First it didn’t happen. Then it happened but it was about adoption. Then they lied about who was involved. Then there was a Russian. Then several.

Then Junior revealed emails that showed they all knew it was about getting dirt on Clinton.

Seeking out and accepting help from foreign powers.

That’s where this is headed, and all the idiots in Trumpworld think that the precise language in today’s indictments somehow favors them?

They’re even dumber than we give them credit for.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:19:54pm

re: #236 JordanRules

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Waah. Stop crying snowflake.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:20:47pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:21:30pm

Related-The Russians are still at it. What consequences will we impose?

Russian bots promote pro-gun messages after Florida school shooting
(CNN)Russia-linked bots are promoting pro-gun messages on Twitter in an attempt to sow discord in the aftermath of the Florida school shooting, monitoring groups say.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:21:36pm

So, how’s Infrastructure Week going?

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:21:41pm

How cynical is this. Rick Scott and Sean Hannity don’t give a flying fuck about 17 dead kids killed by the right wing’s favorite weapon, the AR-15. They’re exploiting this tragedy to call on Mueller to resign becuase it’s all about protecting Supreme Leader Trump. Fuck those assholes.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:22:20pm

re: #241 Ace Rothstein

Cool, cool, cool.

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lawhawk  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:22:28pm

re: #212 JordanRules

It’s quite likely we’ll get indictments for knowingly accepting help from Russians, and those indictments are likely to involve Jared, Junior, and others in that June 2016 meeting.

Oh, and the odds that Trump himself conference called in on that call? I’d put that as high.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:22:44pm

re: #242 DodgerFan1988

As directed by Trump.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:23:20pm

re: #242 DodgerFan1988

“Seventeen innocent people are dead and acknowledging a mistake isn’t going to cut it,” says Gov. Rick Scott hannity.com

— Sean Hannity

Oh, now 17 dead kids matters. Good to know, Sean Hannity.

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gocart mozart  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:23:45pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:24:35pm

re: #239 FormerDirtDart

re: #247 gocart mozart

Oh, wow, man! Deja vu!
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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:25:11pm

re: #242 DodgerFan1988

How cynical is this. Rick Scott and Sean Hannity don’t give a flying fuck about 17 dead kids killed by the right wing’s favorite weapon, the AR-15. They’re exploiting this tragedy to call on Mueller to resign becuase it’s all about protecting Supreme Leader Trump. Fuck those assholes.

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You mean Wray here but yes.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:25:44pm

re: #242 DodgerFan1988

How cynical is this. Rick Scott and Sean Hannity don’t give a flying fuck about 17 dead kids killed by the right wing’s favorite weapon, the AR-15. They’re exploiting this tragedy to call on Mueller to resign becuase it’s all about protecting Supreme Leader Trump. Fuck those assholes.

How cynical? Pretty damn cynical. Eleventy on the cynical scale.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:26:04pm

re: #244 lawhawk

It’s quite likely we’ll get indictments for knowingly accepting help from Russians, and those indictments are likely to involve Jared, Junior, and others in that June 2016 meeting.

Oh, and the odds that Trump himself conference called in on that call? I’d put that as high.

I’d be shocked if he weren’t intimately involved due to micromanaging and ego.

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lawhawk  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:27:26pm

I went back and checked - I saw some of their bullshit around election day. Two of my tweets were replies to their nonsense. This is one of them:

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Sir John Barron  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:27:57pm

re: #242 DodgerFan1988

How cynical is this. Rick Scott and Sean Hannity don’t give a flying fuck about 17 dead kids killed by the right wing’s favorite weapon, the AR-15. They’re exploiting this tragedy to call on Mueller to resign becuase it’s all about protecting Supreme Leader Trump. Fuck those assholes.

But RWNJ told us all not to politicize this latest gun massacre.

/

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:28:40pm

re: #248 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s how god gets down sometimes. LOL

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:29:07pm

re: #253 Sir John Barron

But RWNJ told us all not to politicize this latest gun massacre.

/

They told US not to politicize it. They said nothing about them exploiting it.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:30:42pm

GOP rep unveils ‘Crumbs Act’ to make bonuses tax-free, in swipe at Pelosi

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:31:04pm

re: #242 DodgerFan1988

How cynical is this. Rick Scott and Sean Hannity don’t give a flying fuck about 17 dead kids killed by the right wing’s favorite weapon, the AR-15. They’re exploiting this tragedy to call on Mueller to resign becuase it’s all about protecting Supreme Leader Trump. Fuck those assholes.

The FBI director should offer thoughts and prayers.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:32:09pm

re: #256 FormerDirtDart

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Classy people the GOP.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:33:31pm

re: #242 DodgerFan1988

How cynical is this. Rick Scott and Sean Hannity don’t give a flying fuck about 17 dead kids killed by the right wing’s favorite weapon, the AR-15. They’re exploiting this tragedy to call on Mueller to resign becuase it’s all about protecting Supreme Leader Trump. Fuck those assholes.

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This is what they will flog until Trump fires Wray.

It still won’t make the Russian indictments go away, but it is the outrage porn for the Hannity/Limbaugh crowd now. They have their marching orders as of now.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:33:35pm

But it may be the beginning of the end of the beginning….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:35:41pm
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freetoken  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:37:44pm

re: #261 Blind Frog Belly White

Old Republicans looking for talking points in order to turn on Trump.

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freetoken  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:39:02pm

Trump was threatening NAFTA long before he was elected.

Yet the Governor of Iowa, Terry Brandstad, the longest serving Governor btw, supported Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:39:11pm

re: #261 Blind Frog Belly White

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Yet you supported him without criticism or reservations and are a big reason why he got a Supreme Court pick, you own this Chuck.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:39:20pm

re: #261 Blind Frog Belly White

Trump might stop his opposition to NAFTA, but he won’t rejoin TPP since it would make him look like he was wrong.

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freetoken  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:39:32pm

The same Branstad who was then appointed ambassador to China.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:39:32pm

re: #262 freetoken

Old Republicans looking for talking points in order to turn on Trump.

The other possibility is he’s doing a Manafort - talking to the Press about Trump so that Trump actually hears him.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:39:48pm

re: #263 freetoken

Trump was threatening NAFTA long before he was elected.

Yet the Governor of Iowa, Terry Brandstad, the longest serving Governor btw, supported Trump.

Exactly. As did most Iowan voters too.

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KGxvi  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:40:51pm

re: #54 Kilroy was here

Can every week be infrastructure week?
I really like the indictment part.

This is like the sixth infrastructure week, right? I swear, it’s like the WH is being run by a terrible night club promoter who keeps running out the same tired event trying to get people to turn out for a shitty club.

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freetoken  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:40:51pm

re: #268 HappyWarrior

Exactly. As did most Iowan voters too.

As in many states, Trump’s winning margin was not that big.

Probably no more than the fools who bought in to all the Russian agitprop.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:41:53pm

re: #265 Belafon

Trump might stop his opposition to NAFTA, but he won’t rejoin TPP since it would make him look like he was wrong.

He already said he was open to the idea if they could negotiate a better deal. But of course, he says a lot of shit, all the time, and doesn’t really mean any of it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:42:28pm

re: #270 freetoken

As in many states, Trump’s winning margin was not that big.

Probably no more than the fools who bought in to all the Russian agitprop.

Yeah but he won Iowa by nearly ten points.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:43:08pm
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KGxvi  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:43:09pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Hannity I think is complicit somehow.

I wonder how his show will work from either Moscow or Rio? Would it still be live in the US? And what language will it be in?

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lawhawk  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:43:59pm

re: #256 FormerDirtDart

The Crumbs Act is aptly named.

All but the rich will see crumbs from this too.

Oh, and millionaires who get bonuses on Wall Street would get the full amount tax free unless you limit how much money would not be subject to tax. You’d further distort the economy to favor bonuses over raises and millionaires would come out ahead.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:44:05pm

re: #274 KGxvi

I wonder how his show will work from either Moscow or Rio? Would it still be live in the US? And what language will it be in?

He will good on RT next to Larry King, da, comrade?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:45:09pm

re: #273 Scottish Dragon

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Can’t spell Assenge without ass.

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darthstar  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:45:20pm

re: #241 Ace Rothstein

So, how’s Infrastructure Week going?

Just as expected, with the exception of a mass shooting which put a damper on the whole shit show.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:46:04pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

Yeah but he won Iowa by nearly ten points.

They voted for him because he was the anti-politician but then they expected him to act like how they thought a politician acted when he got in office and not do anything he said.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:46:14pm

re: #274 KGxvi

I wonder how his show will work from either Moscow or Rio? Would it still be live in the US? And what language will it be in?

As long as Trump shits on his face, Lumpy would do it in any language.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:46:54pm

re: #279 Belafon

They voted for him because he was the anti-politician but then they expected him to act like how they thought a politician acted when he got in office and not do anything he said.

In short, typical idiots. And I have no problem calling them that.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:47:11pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

As long as Trump shits on his face, Lumpy would do it in any language.

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KGxvi  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:47:16pm

So, the Russians started before you got involved… does that mean they hired you? Or were you just late to the party?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:48:09pm

re: #282 Scottish Dragon

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Ha fair enough.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:48:15pm

re: #277 HappyWarrior

Can’t spell Assenge without ass.

I find myself wanting to retort that you can’t spell ‘Assange’ at all.

I’m a terrible person. Forgive me.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:48:55pm

re: #285 Blind Frog Belly White

I find myself wanting to retort that you can’t spell ‘Assange’ at all.

I’m a terrible person. Forgive me.

Ha that’s fair.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:50:38pm
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KGxvi  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:52:17pm

Meanwhile:

Russia-linked bots are promoting pro-gun messages on Twitter in an attempt to sow discord in the aftermath of the Florida school shooting, monitoring groups say.

Hashtags, topics, and URLs related to the shooting overwhelmingly feature in the tweets pushed by these automated Twitter accounts in the past 48 hours, according to Hamilton 68, a tool launched by the Alliance for Securing Democracy to track what it describes as “Russian propaganda and disinformation efforts online.”

I don’t even know what the fuck to say.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:52:56pm

re: #273 Scottish Dragon

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The mask is almost completely gone now.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:53:11pm

re: #288 KGxvi

Meanwhile:

I don’t even know what the fuck to say.

Yep and I know many people happily doing their bidding.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:54:36pm

re: #289 Mike Lamb

The mask is almost completely gone now.

He’s part of why I don’t trust the far left’s judgment. Between Julian, Manning, Snowden, and others, they’ve shown themselves to be terrible judges of character.

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lawhawk  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:54:59pm

Hannity is a dull tool, but his ignorant and misinformed viewers don’t know any better. He’s weaponized the derp.

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KGxvi  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:56:50pm

re: #273 Scottish Dragon

How many fucking times do we have to go through this: the money we sent to Iran was because an international tribunal had ruled against the US for breaching an agreement in the late 70s. It was literally a breach of contract judgment. If we are not willing to follow the norms of international law that we helped create, why would we expect anyone else to?

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lawhawk  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:57:24pm

re: #287 JordanRules

Everything Schiff said is over Trump’s head. He doesn’t know or care.

And his supporters don’t know or care either because they’re just as ignorant as Trump (thanks to Fox).

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KerFuFFler  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:57:42pm

re: #187 Kilroy was here

Betty Bowers at work on guns..
Warning.. it has Ted Cruz in it.. Being Ted Cruz

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Video

Wow, that was great!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:57:46pm

re: #293 KGxvi

How many fucking times do we have to go through this: the money we sent to Iran was because an international tribunal had ruled against the US for breaching an agreement in the late 70s. It was literally a breach of contract judgment. If we are not willing to follow the norms of international law that we helped create, why would we expect anyone else to?

Because it’s easier to lie.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:57:57pm

re: #291 HappyWarrior

He’s part of why I don’t trust the far left’s judgment. Between Julian, Manning, Snowden, and others, they’ve shown themselves to be terrible judges of character.

Glen Fucking Greenwald….

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:58:20pm

re: #293 KGxvi

How many fucking times do we have to go through this: the money we sent to Iran was because an international tribunal had ruled against the US for breaching an agreement in the late 70s. It was literally a breach of contract judgment. If we are not willing to follow the norms of international law that we helped create, why would we expect anyone else to?

Weren’t we just returning to Iran their own money, with appropriate interest adjustment?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:58:23pm

re: #292 lawhawk

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Hannity is a dull tool, but his ignorant and misinformed viewers don’t know any better. He’s weaponized the derp.

He IS the weaponized derp. Kind of like The Tip Of The Spear, only not very sharp or strong. More like the floppy blade of the rubber spatula.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:59:03pm

There’s a cottage industry of disinformation spreading out there and time and time again I see the conservatives I know fall for it whether it’s a distortion of something someone said or even an outright lie.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 1:59:22pm

re: #297 Scottish Dragon

Glen Fucking Greenwald….

Yep.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:04:52pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

There’s a cottage industry of disinformation spreading out there and time and time again I see the conservatives I know fall for it whether it’s a distortion of something someone said or even an outright lie.

But those on the left fall as well — witness the BernieBros.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:05:57pm

re: #302 Hecuba’s daughter

But those on the left fall as well — witness the BernieBros.

Confirmation bias is more powerful than many appreciate.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:06:21pm

re: #302 Hecuba’s daughter

But those on the left fall as well — witness the BernieBros.

Of course.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:07:06pm

re: #303 Blind Frog Belly White

Confirmation bias is more powerful than many appreciate.

Which is why I always generally speaking post my own thoughts on FB whether the issue is gun violence, immigration, etc.

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darthstar  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:07:20pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:07:56pm

So, as news comes out of another Trump adultery and another payoff, on the same day as 13 indictments and a guilty plea in the Mueller probe, I have a suggestion for where Dana Loesch and the NRATV folks can shove their ‘Clenched Fist Of Truth’…..

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:08:01pm

Thread.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:09:50pm

This kid right here.

Rod Dreher will spill barrels of ink on his screeds about trans women destroying traditionalist America and liberal gay thugs coming for the Christian bakers in 5000 word essays at TAC. He will do another buy my book that I never fucking shut up about over his plan to go to church more and home school your kids because libruls. Then he will write 3 more essays about eating oysters in Paris.

This sort of thing is so squarely in the conservative blind spot he cannot even realize it exists at all except as an adjunct to his notion that everyone should be home schooling anyway.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:11:30pm

re: #308 makeitstop

Thread.

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I said this the other day about the Right’s shifting arguments on AGW, but it’s true here, too - if your argument changes radically but your conclusion never does, it’s because you started from the wrong end.

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Varek Raith  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:11:48pm

Lol, they think this vindicates Trump.

All it says that there was no connection to this specific troll farm.

Please proceede, GOP.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:12:28pm

CNN reports that WH/Trump made a statement just now that pursuing the Trump administration would be playing into the Russian agenda, so it’s “time to unite.”

Sends shivers up my spine—Reichstag Fire time? It won’t work, but it will set us back even more.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:12:44pm

re: #309 Scottish Dragon

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This kid right here.

Rod Dreher will spill barrels of ink on his screeds about trans women destroying traditionalist America and liberal gay thugs coming for the Christian bakers in 5000 word essays at TAC. He will do another buy my book that I never fucking shut up about over his plan to go to church more and home school your kids because libruls. Then he will write 3 more essays about eating oysters in Paris.

This sort of thing is so squarely in the conservative blind spot he cannot even realize it exists at all except as an adjunct to his notion that everyone should be home schooling anyway.

He’s right. Cons think a baker making a wedding cake for a gay couple is an attack on their liberty but don’t care about doing anything to prevent mass shootings because they’re NRA owned cowards.

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Varek Raith  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:13:46pm

It’s like they (INTENTIONALLY) don’t know how organized crime works.
You’ll almost never find direct connentions from the higher ups to lowly grunts doing grunt work.
Silly people.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:14:11pm

re: #283 KGxvi

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So, the Russians started before you got involved… does that mean they hired you? Or were you just late to the party?

Ratio’d.

15K retweets
50K replies

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:16:24pm

re: #261 Blind Frog Belly White

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:18:06pm
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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:19:01pm

re: #242 DodgerFan1988

How cynical is this. Rick Scott and Sean Hannity don’t give a flying fuck about 17 dead kids killed by the right wing’s favorite weapon, the AR-15. They’re exploiting this tragedy to call on Mueller to resign becuase it’s all about protecting Supreme Leader Trump. Fuck those assholes.

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Wray is not just acknowledging the mistake, but says the FBI will find out what went wrong, why and FIX things so that it doesn’t happen again. Unlike Scott’s GOP. One is the adult thing, one is childish.

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Targetpractice  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:19:43pm

re: #312 Barefoot Grin

CNN reports that WH/Trump made a statement just now that pursuing the Trump administration would be playing into the Russian agenda, so it’s “time to unite.”

Sends shivers up my spine—Reichstag Fire time? It won’t work, but it will set us back even more.

The flop sweat is just dripping off in buckets now.

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:21:44pm

re: #319 Targetpractice

The flop sweat is just dripping off in buckets now.

We’re getting to the part of the script where the villain makes a fatal mistake, aren’t we?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:23:04pm
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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:23:19pm

Careful, Mags. Things like this will get your access cut off…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:23:46pm

re: #321 Scottish Dragon

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Brave kid.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:24:28pm

re: #273 Scottish Dragon

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That’s a bogus Assange account.

Every account claiming to be Julian Assange is bogus.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:25:13pm

re: #320 makeitstop

We’re getting to the part of the script where the villain makes a fatal mistake, aren’t we?

Plus add the Melon drama.

Plus how he’s supposed to be concerned about the 17 dead kids.

Oh to be on AF1

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:25:31pm

re: #324 The Vicious Babushka

That’s a bogus Assange account.

Every account claiming to be Julian Assange is bogus.

Fake accounts for a fake no-account.

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Targetpractice  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:26:20pm

“After over a year of insisting Russia had nothing to do with the election, we want to now agree the Russians are working to interfere in our democracy…and the proper thing to do is rally around Trump, because the Russians want us to hate him!”

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:29:29pm

re: #327 Targetpractice
“Also too, what would be the point of imposing the sanctions now? The election is over!”

(My first attempt at wingnut font!)

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:30:37pm

re: #325 Stanley Sea

Plus add the Melon drama.

Plus how he’s supposed to be concerned about the 17 dead kids.

Oh to be on AF1

Is he visiting there today?

I can see him chirping about ‘no collusion’ and one of the parents pointing out ‘This isn’t about you, asshole!

Please, please, please let that moment be telecast live….

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:30:42pm

He ran for President in 2012 and dropped out, then went to Moscow in 2013, ostensibly for the Miss Universe pageant.

Let’s guess what happened next.

My guess (and this is just a guess!) he tried to run a scam on Russian mobsters, because he is a scamming scammer who scams folks. Russian mobsters don’t like to be scammed, but instead of busting every bone in his body they decided that he could be useful to them.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:31:27pm

re: #232 jaunte

Putin & I discussed forming an impenetrable Cyber Security unit so that election hacking, & many other negative things, will be guarded..
6:50 AM - Jul 9, 2017

I remember my head nearly exploding when I read that last Summer———not just that he said something that stupid but that all the GOP members in Congress did not immediately acknowledge that they would need to remove Trump from office right away for his weapons grade stupidity.

And of course, all Trump’s base saw no problem with it either.

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:32:32pm

Shep weighs in…

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:36:56pm

re: #193 Weaselone

I’m not Wray’s biggest fan, but how is he responsible for this? It’s not as though this alert crossed his desk personally and Trump and Sessions are far more responsible for the diversion of FBI resources and focus from monitoring the Far White than he his.

He is not. This is a Republican on the hot seat in Florida that is a friend of Trump who hates the FBI and Wray. Maybe Rick “Skeletor” Scott can help take out Wray for Trump and look good to his people in Florida…like he is doing something for their safety.

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JordanRules  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:37:12pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:40:50pm

18 year old conservative has important opinions.

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Citizen K  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:43:17pm

I fucking hate Devin Nunes. I might actually hate him more than Trump at this point. I’m not joking about this.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:43:27pm

re: #335 Scottish Dragon

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18 year old conservative has important opinions.

Do they ever stop with the pedantic bs?

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:43:51pm

re: #213 jaunte

The New Yorker

@NewYorker
“Ultimately, it all comes down to Waukesha County.” A cartoon by Paul Noth, from 2016

Once again, the artists prove to be the canaries in the coal mines.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:43:54pm

re: #336 Citizen K

I fucking hate Devin Nunes. I might actually hate him more than Trump at this point. I’m not joking about this.

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Fucker.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:45:05pm
The 2017 GPU shortage, which we had previously referred to as quite possibly the worst GPU shortage in history, was a rather dark time for gamers and PC enthusiasts. The price of some mid-range and high-end GPUs doubled, and for more than a month it was nearly impossible to find an Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 or an AMD Radeon RX 580. As bad as that shortage was, in light of the new prevailing shortage, we must now expurgate our original statement. If the GPU shortage observed last summer was horrible, the current shortage is nothing short of a complete fiasco.

The Ethereum Effect: Graphics Card Price Watch (Updated) (Tom’s hardware)

All to waste energy producing Libertarian funny-money. I shouldn’t complain, I make about $35/week profit leasing my gaming hardware to the miners.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:45:29pm

re: #337 HappyWarrior

Do they ever stop with the pedantic bs?

Nope. It is actually a vital part of their attempts to wrest control of mass shooting narratives.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:45:44pm
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KGxvi  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:47:16pm

re: #337 HappyWarrior

Do they ever stop with the pedantic bs?

Pedantic assholes are gonna pedant.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:47:19pm

re: #342 Dave In Austin

A spaghetti bagel?

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Varek Raith  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:47:55pm

Oh, geez, Fox blaming videogames…
e_e
rawstory.com

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:48:03pm

re: #344 PhillyPretzel

A spaghetti bagel?

Seems like the kind of thing that would be invented in Japan.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:48:26pm

re: #341 Scottish Dragon

Nope. It is actually a vital part of their attempts to wrest control of mass shooting narratives.

You don’t need to be an expert to know these things kill rapidly. I admit it. I’ve fired a gun once in my life. I don’t know a ton about them but I’m not a pilot either abc know air traffic control is vital to preventing accudends.

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Varek Raith  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:49:47pm

re: #347 HappyWarrior

You don’t need to be an expert to know these things kill rapidly. I admit it. I’ve fired a gun once in my life. I don’t know a ton about them but I’m not a pilot either abc know air traffic control is vital to preventing accudends.

Last and only time I fired a gun was a shotgun in Boy Scouts.

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Targetpractice  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:51:41pm

re: #345 Varek Raith

Oh, geez, Fox blaming videogames…
e_e
rawstory.com

Only thing video games taught me in the last year is to fear giant mutated bugs. Radscorpions could be lurking anywhere…

//

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petesh  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:51:43pm

re: #94 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, Mueller would not have indicted Russians for the sake of indicting Russians, this is just another piece of the puzzle

I’m running way behind on this thread, but … indicting Russians (and having Rod Rosenstein make the announcement) is, among other things, a self-preservation move. They are very useful idiots.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:52:32pm

re: #348 Varek Raith

Last and only time I fired a gun was a shotgun in Boy Scouts.

I did it with a friend once in NM. TBH meh.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:55:07pm

re: #351 HappyWarrior

I did it with a friend once in NM. TBH meh.

I shoot a LOT of different guns, and I still do. I am not an expert or an armorer, but I know how they perform and know what their basic roles and capabilities are, and I know how to use them. The sophist pedantry doesn’t work on me.

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Varek Raith  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:57:13pm

re: #349 Targetpractice

Only thing video games taught me in the last year is to fear giant mutated bugs. Radscorpions could be lurking anywhere…

//

Cazadors
*Hides in corner sobbing*

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Mike Lamb  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:58:54pm

re: #330 The Vicious Babushka

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He ran for President in 2012 and dropped out, then went to Moscow in 2013, ostensibly for the Miss Universe pageant.

Let’s guess what happened next.

My guess (and this is just a guess!) he tried to run a scam on Russian mobsters, because he is a scamming scammer who scams folks. Russian mobsters don’t like to be scammed, but instead of busting every bone in his body they decided that he could be useful to them.

The fact that they started in 2014 doesn’t really move the meter at all. It doesn’t preclude, in any way, intervening in favor of Trump at a later date.

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calochortus  Feb 16, 2018 • 2:59:20pm

re: #352 Scottish Dragon

I shoot a LOT of different guns, and I still do. I am not an expert or an armorer, but I know how they perform and know what their basic roles and capabilities are, and I know how to use them. The sophist pedantry doesn’t work on me.

Well, I don’t know squat about firearms and pedantry doesn’t work on me either. What difference does it make what brand or specific type of gun it was, if it has no reasonable use other than killing people and was used to do so? That’s like saying you have to have a detailed understanding why ricin powder is bad for you before you have a right to outlaw giving it to people.

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Varek Raith  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:00:22pm

Never gets old;

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:00:39pm

re: #348 Varek Raith

Last and only time I fired a gun was a shotgun in Boy Scouts.

Me, too. 13 years old and we all told the same joke when the summer camp guy said “fire at will.”
ETA for me it was a .22 rifle.

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:01:35pm

re: #344 PhillyPretzel

A spaghetti bagel?

A spaghetti O.

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Targetpractice  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:02:54pm

re: #358 ObserverArt

A spaghetti O.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:03:01pm

re: #352 Scottish Dragon

I shoot a LOT of different guns, and I still do. I am not an expert or an armorer, but I know how they perform and know what their basic roles and capabilities are, and I know how to use them. The sophist pedantry doesn’t work on me.

Exactly l.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:03:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:04:29pm

re: #355 calochortus

Well, I don’t know squat about firearms and pedantry doesn’t work on me either. What difference does it make what brand or specific type of gun it was, if it has no reasonable use other than killing people and was used to do so? That’s like saying you have to have a detailed understanding why ricin powder is bad for you before you have a right to outlaw giving it to people.

It’s just a way to try to insult gun control advocates intelligence and it drove me bonkers when a former Lizard used to do it.

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William Lewis  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:05:21pm

re: #352 Scottish Dragon

I shoot a LOT of different guns, and I still do. I am not an expert or an armorer, but I know how they perform and know what their basic roles and capabilities are, and I know how to use them. The sophist pedantry doesn’t work on me.

I was a tanker on active duty and trained as an armorer on both US & Warsaw Pact firearms. I’ve shot everything from .45 pistols to 105mm rifled tank guns. I know guns backwards and forwards. The stupid shit doesn’t work with me either.

I still have guns and enjoy shooting. But I will not have an AR.

Given how crappy full auto fire is for anything but suppression, in a real way the AR-15 is a more effective people killer than the official M-16/M-4 variants.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:05:25pm

re: #361 Barefoot Grin

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Yeah but you’re not Fredo Trump, Andrew.

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calochortus  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:05:30pm

re: #362 HappyWarrior

It’s just a way to try to insult gun control advocates intelligence and it drove me bonkers when a former Lizard used to do it.

Also deflects what is actually being discussed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:06:33pm

re: #365 calochortus

Also deflects what is actually being discussed.

Another reason why it’s done. I don’t think those kids cared about whether it was technically an assault rifle or not.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:07:07pm

re: #363 William Lewis

I was a tanker on active duty and trained as an armorer on both US & Warsaw Pact firearms. I’ve shot everything from .45 pistols to 105mm rifled tank guns. I know guns backwards and forwards. The stupid shit doesn’t work with me either.

Given how crappy full auto fire is for anything but suppression, in a real way the AR-15 is a more effective people killer than the official M-16/M-4 variants.

Exactly. I never once used my M16 on full auto. Never. You want full auto…talk to the sixty gunner.

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jaunte  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:08:01pm

re: #362 HappyWarrior

It’s just a way to try to insult gun control advocates intelligence and it drove me bonkers when a former Lizard used to do it.

Well, that’s not actually a tank.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:08:33pm

Okay I see what the RW message is now, meds are what causes these shootings. Which is why conservatives are such supporters of regulating the pharmaceutical industry. I’ll regale you with more humor later.

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:08:44pm

re: #363 William Lewis

I was a tanker on active duty and trained as an armorer on both US & Warsaw Pact firearms. I’ve shot everything from .45 pistols to 105mm rifled tank guns. I know guns backwards and forwards. The stupid shit doesn’t work with me either.

Given how crappy full auto fire is for anything but suppression, in a real way the AR-15 is a more effective people killer than the official M-16/M-4 variants.

Those variants can also be shot in semi-auto mode can they not…making them more target efficient?

And yes, I am a gun novice, but I do some work for some ex-marines that have gun sales online. And my one brother is a bit of a gun nut.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:08:52pm

re: #361 Barefoot Grin

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I know it’s Twitter, but good grief Andrew K made a hash of what he was trying to say there.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:09:48pm

I’m laughing at him.

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calochortus  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:10:02pm

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Mike Lamb  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:10:52pm

And my neck is really sore from the whiplash generated by the speed in which the GOP pivoted from “the Muller investigation is tainted and must be shut down” to “the Mueller investigation is totally credible and vindicates Trump”.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:12:16pm

re: #374 Mike Lamb

And my neck is really sore from the whiplash generated by the speed in which the GOP pivoted from “the Muller investigation is tainted and must be shut down” to “the Mueller investigation is totally credible and vindicates Trump”.

They’re desperately stupid people.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:12:38pm

re: #353 Varek Raith

It’s been years since I played Fallout, and I can still remember the primitive rage and bloodlust evoked by stumbling into cazador territory.

I got real good at sniping them from far, far off. Like, an entirely state-dependent level of markmanship beyond my aim with any other critter.

eta: with freaking ironsights. The hate was strong.

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William Lewis  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:12:58pm

re: #370 ObserverArt

Those variants can also be shot in semi-auto mode can they not…making them more target efficient?

And yes, I am a gun novice, but I do some work for some ex-marines that have gun sales online. And my one brother is a bit of a gun nut.

Certainly they can, some are limited to 3 round burst as well now because even the military understands that full auto rifles aren’t worth it. But if you have full auto or burst, most undisciplined troops will chose that instead and point and spray rather than aim. On a semi-auto only rifle, aiming and shooting is far more common.

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:12:59pm

Surprised? Nah.

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petesh  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:13:06pm

re: #294 lawhawk

Everything Schiff said is over Trump’s head. He doesn’t know or care.

And his supporters don’t know or care either because they’re just as ignorant as Trump (thanks to Fox).

Great. Then when he gets busted it’ll still be a surprise to him.

I am not usually vindictive, but I want Trump broke and in jail, and not in a cushy minimum-security one like most of the white-collar fraudsters.

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:14:24pm

Heh. I was just following that Rick Wilson Tweet thread linked above.

His page image is of himself against the “leafy flower” background in the Smithsonian Portrait Gallery Obama piece.

He is still a Republican, but he does have fun pulling some of their chains.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:15:02pm

Totally off-topic and before I read the thread — the SF Opera is doing the Ring Cycle this summer and I’m going! Not only that, but I called them about seats and they had a center aisle seat near the front of the Dress Circle.

In other news, my bankruptcy will be announced any day now.
/

Going back now to read the thread…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:15:25pm

re: #378 makeitstop

Surprised? Nah.

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He’s been pretty quiet on the whole subject all things considered. Don’t know if it’s direct complicity or denial his campaign may have indirectly benefited from the Russian disinformation.

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William Lewis  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:15:50pm

re: #372 Scottish Dragon

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I’m laughing at him.

As you should.

BTW, 13th Armor, 1st Bde, 1st Armored in Germany back in the cold war, watching the Czech border. 83-84. M-60A3 tanks.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:16:53pm

re: #381 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Try not to get the giggles when you remember that Siegfried is basically all singing about incest.

Ruined my last attempt at “the Ring.”

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:17:05pm

re: #383 William Lewis

As you should.

BTW, 13th Armor, 1st Bde, 1st Armored in Germany back in the cold war, watching the Czech border. 83-84. M-60A3 tanks.

Jesus…fun in the Fulda Gap!

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William Lewis  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:18:42pm

re: #381 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Totally off-topic and before I read the thread — the SF Opera is doing the Ring Cycle this summer and I’m going! Not only that, but I called them about seats and they had a center aisle seat near the front of the Dress Circle.

In other news, my bankruptcy will be announced any day now.
/

Going back now to read the thread…

Eh, enjoy if that’s your thing. I’ve never really gotten into opera even though I love classical, ballet, choral music, etc. I see the Met is broadcasting Parsifal tomorrow. Perhaps I should give it a try again.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:19:49pm

re: #348 Varek Raith

Last and only time I fired a gun was a shotgun in Boy Scouts.

My brother-in-law took me to the shooting range in Arizona a couple of times, I never particularly cared for it.

Then I recall watching “The Outlaw Josie Wells” with Clint Eastwood that featured those old Cold cap-and-ball revolvers, which I found fascinating.

So the local gun club (guns and shooting are highly organized in Germany) was having a Western Day and offered a chance to fire off a Colt pistol for about eight bucks. So I did. Last time I fired a weapon since.

I am sure that if I lived in the ‘States, or at least in Arizona, I would own a gun, probably a .22 pistol, loaded with snake shot (like tiny shotgun pellets), only for the purpose of scaring off critters one might unexpectedly encounter out on the hiking trail.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:19:59pm

re: #383 William Lewis

Jesus.

I hope the beer was good while you waited for the atomic wunderwaffen shitshow to start.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:20:37pm
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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:20:40pm

re: #312 Barefoot Grin

CNN reports that WH/Trump made a statement just now that pursuing the Trump administration would be playing into the Russian agenda, so it’s “time to unite.”

Sends shivers up my spine—Reichstag Fire time? It won’t work, but it will set us back even more.

He couldn’t pull something like that off if he knew what he was doing. It’s desperation. “If you love America, you’ll stop pursuing me even if I hate America.” Don’t get frightened. Stay angry.

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:20:45pm

re: #382 HappyWarrior

He’s been pretty quiet on the whole subject all things considered. Don’t know if it’s direct complicity or denial his campaign may have indirectly benefited from the Russian disinformation.

Speaking of which - where’s Jill Stein run off to?

She must have hit her grifting goal and got enough to tide her over until her next presidential run…

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thecommodore  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:21:52pm

All across the wingnutosphere, wingnuts are claiming that today’s indictments exonerate Trump because his name wasn’t on any of them.

This quote by Rosenstein is their proof:

“There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity,” Rosenstein said, adding there “there is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election.”

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Varek Raith  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:22:08pm

re: #376 The Ghost of a Flea

It’s been years since I played Fallout, and I can still remember the primitive rage and bloodlust evoked by stumbling into cazador territory.

I got real good at sniping them from far, far off. Like, an entirely state-dependent level of markmanship beyond my aim with any other critter.

eta: with freaking ironsights. The hate was strong.

Drink gallons of antivenom early and often.
xD

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:22:09pm

re: #321 Scottish Dragon

Problem is the current Florida Governor is Rick Scott who is more likely to announce the young man was involved with the shooter somehow.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:22:30pm

re: #369 HappyWarrior

Okay I see what the RW message is now, meds are what causes these shootings. Which is why conservatives are such supporters of regulating the pharmaceutical industry. I’ll regale you with more humor later.

That’s scientology’s play book

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William Lewis  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:22:31pm

re: #385 Scottish Dragon

Jesus…fun in the Fulda Gap!

We were taught that if the balloon went up, each tank needed to take out 5 WP T-72’s before dying to slow them enough for REFORGER to work.

What they didn’t tell us then was that they already knew the APFSDS we had would shatter on the T-72 from the front rather than penetrate. They started giving us DU rounds as I was going back to the states to make up for that…

OTOH, when Germany reunited, East German army reports showed that the WP expected that REFORGER would be 2x as fast and bring 3x as many troops as it actually could. That kept them from trying…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:23:32pm

re: #391 makeitstop

Speaking of which - where’s Jill Stein run off to?

She must have hit her grifting goal and got enough to tide her over until her next presidential run…

She’s even more suspicious but I’m expecting her in 2020 to tell us how the Dem nominee is as bad as Trump while she herself has done nothing against Trumpism the past two years and has even enabled it.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:23:32pm

re: #388 The Ghost of a Flea

Jesus.

I hope the beer was good while you waited for the atomic wunderwaffen shitshow to start.

You know the shit is real when you are with the guys who were issued those crazy Davy Crocket mico nuke rockets launched from a 120 mm recoiless rifle…

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William Lewis  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:23:53pm

re: #388 The Ghost of a Flea

Jesus.

I hope the beer was good while you waited for the atomic wunderwaffen shitshow to start.

I actually joined the Army expecting Ronnie Raygun to start WWIII and I wanted to die fast rather than from radiation sickness downwind from the silos of the Dakotas…

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:24:17pm

re: #393 Varek Raith

I got that DLC where the floating brain admits to inventing cazadors halfway through the plot:

1. *save game*
2. murder attempt on floating brain
3. get killed by the other floating brains
4. *reload game*
5. repeat until it’s demonstrated I can’t kill it and not depth-charge the plot.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:24:20pm

re: #344 PhillyPretzel

A spaghetti bagel?

I don’t eat a lot of bagels, I like them but just don’t eat a lot of them.

My mind goes to donut………

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:24:26pm

re: #395 Stanley Sea

That’s scientology’s play book

It’s so stupid. I’m on lexapro btw.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:25:36pm

re: #342 Dave In Austin

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Chef Bagel-Ar-Dee?????

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:26:05pm

re: #396 William Lewis

We were taught that if the balloon went up, each tank needed to take out 5 WP T-72’s before dying to slow them enough for REFORGER to work.

What they didn’t tell us then was that they already knew the APFSDS we had would shatter on the T-72 from the front rather than penetrate. They started giving us DU rounds as I was going back to the states to make up for that…

OTOH, when Germany reunited, East German army reports showed that the WP expected that REFORGER would be 2x as fast and bring 3x as many troops as it actually could. That kept them from trying…

Daaaaaaaamn……

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Targetpractice  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:27:46pm

re: #396 William Lewis

We were taught that if the balloon went up, each tank needed to take out 5 WP T-72’s before dying to slow them enough for REFORGER to work.

What they didn’t tell us then was that they already knew the APFSDS we had would shatter on the T-72 from the front rather than penetrate. They started giving us DU rounds as I was going back to the states to make up for that…

OTOH, when Germany reunited, East German army reports showed that the WP expected that REFORGER would be 2x as fast and bring 3x as many troops as it actually could. That kept them from trying…

I continue to be fascinated by how much of the Cold War was both sides over/underestimating the other and so overcompensating when they didn’t just throw up their hands in frustration.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:28:21pm

re: #337 HappyWarrior

No, because then they would have to do their own thinking which is really difficult for testosterone addled teenage males.

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:29:21pm

Russians knew. In January 2014.

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:30:57pm

These kids continue to impress.

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darthstar  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:31:03pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:32:24pm

re: #398 Scottish Dragon

re: #399 William Lewis

I read The Dead Hand—about Cold War nuclear strategy—last year.

Made my head spin. Particularly the early plans where it was bombing in Europe rather than missiles.

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gocart mozart  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:35:05pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:35:25pm

re: #398 Scottish Dragon

You know the shit is real when you are with the guys who were issued those crazy Davy Crocket mico nuke rockets launched from a 120 mm recoiless rifle…

Saw a film the other night about the “Little Feller” test. Bobby Kennedy was in the bleachers in a short-sleeved shirt. Our installation designed some of the components.

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MsJ  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:36:36pm

re: #411 gocart mozart

Forgive me but I can’t muster up one iota of sympathy for her.

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Belafon  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:37:32pm

re: #378 makeitstop

Surprised? Nah.

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The headline’s misleading. He released this statement:

“It has been clear to everyone (except Donald Trump) that Russia was deeply involved in the 2016 elections and intends to be involved in the 2018 elections. It is the American people who should be deciding the political future of our country, not Mr. Putin and the Russian oligarchs,” Sanders said in a statement. “It is absolutely imperative that the Mueller investigation be allowed to go forward without obstruction from the Trump administration or Congress.”

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Varek Raith  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:37:54pm
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calochortus  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:40:02pm

re: #381 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Totally off-topic and before I read the thread — the SF Opera is doing the Ring Cycle this summer and I’m going! Not only that, but I called them about seats and they had a center aisle seat near the front of the Dress Circle.

In other news, my bankruptcy will be announced any day now.
/

Going back now to read the thread…

You’ll also lose your job because you’ll be sleep deprived over the course of the week and do something stupid at work, but what the hell. Ring Cycle.
/

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:41:10pm

These Trump asskissers are unbelievable. Months after denying any Russian interference, they want to blame the Obama administration for this. I hate these people more than I do Putin. Putin’s a snake but he’s not acting like he gives two fucks about America either.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:43:27pm

re: #402 HappyWarrior

It’s so stupid. I’m on lexapro btw.

A lot of people claim antidepressants cause violence. It never seems to occur to them that depressed people take antidepressants. Mine’s Celexa. Same chemical as Lexapro, but a mix of left-handed and right-handed molecules so it takes twice the dose that would be needed with Lexapro.

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Kilroy was here  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:43:29pm

re: #415 Varek Raith

My father in law was assigned to the Davy Crockett Nuclear Bazooka during the Vietnam War. Was assigned to the airborne never got deployed and stayed in the states.

I’m not fond of weapons that you can’t escape the blast radius from….

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darthstar  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:43:51pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:44:00pm

re: #398 Scottish Dragon

You know the shit is real when you are with the guys who were issued those crazy Davy Crocket mico nuke rockets launched from a 120 mm recoiless rifle…

Personally, I just have this amusing image of the questions asking during training for that job:

“Sir, what’s the range on this puppy?”

“1 1/2 miles.”

“And what’s the blast zone size?”

“The bomb will project lethal radiation out to a quarter mile.”

“So what you’re saying is if this lands short, we’re fucked?”

“Basically.”

“How do I get out of this chicken shit outfit?”

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Sea Mexican!  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:44:45pm

re: #46 dangerman

ok just for fun and dont hurt me

25 years?

or do i just have no sense of humor - which i’ve been told lotsa times

Computer years are like dog years, only they accelerate faster.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:46:29pm

re: #416 calochortus

You’ll also lose your job because you’ll be sleep deprived over the course of the week and do something stupid at work, but what the hell. Ring Cycle.
/

I’m retired. Neener neener neener.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:46:29pm

re: #418 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

A lot of people claim antidepressants cause violence. It never seems to occur to them that depressed people take antidepressants. Mine’s Celexa. Same chemical as Lexapro, but a mix of left-handed and right-handed molecules so it takes twice the dose that would be needed with Lexapro.

Lex really helps with my anxiety. I used to get super emo and depressed.

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calochortus  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:46:37pm

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:47:28pm

re: #381 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Totally off-topic and before I read the thread — the SF Opera is doing the Ring Cycle this summer and I’m going! Not only that, but I called them about seats and they had a center aisle seat near the front of the Dress Circle.

In other news, my bankruptcy will be announced any day now.
/

Going back now to read the thread…

If my husband were still alive, we would already have plane reservations, hotel reservations, and tickets! Of course, he would have to attend the operas without me — I didn’t do Wagner Ring Cycle because the operas are way too long.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:47:29pm

re: #421 Targetpractice

Personally, I just have this amusing image of the questions asking during training for that job:

“Sir, what’s the range on this puppy?”

“1 1/2 miles.”

“And what’s the blast zone size?”

“The bomb will project lethal radiation out to a quarter mile.”

“So what you’re saying is if this lands short, we’re fucked?”

“Basically.”

“How do I get out of this chicken shit outfit?”

“That’s why we issue you this baby oil/iodine mixture.”

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:49:11pm
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calochortus  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:49:17pm

re: #423 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I’m retired. Neener neener neener.

Well, that’s all right then!

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William Lewis  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:50:46pm

re: #427 Decatur Deb

This talk reminds me of one the guys I went to high school with who ended up in a Pershing II unit. Much more interesting weapon, very accurate and quite a long range for Europe - all of which is why the Soviets hated and feared it. That hill they were on was probably the biggest target in the FRG while those missiles were deployed.

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Varek Raith  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:52:30pm

re: #421 Targetpractice

Personally, I just have this amusing image of the questions asking during training for that job:

“Sir, what’s the range on this puppy?”

“1 1/2 miles.”

“And what’s the blast zone size?”

“The bomb will project lethal radiation out to a quarter mile.”

“So what you’re saying is if this lands short, we’re fucked?”

“Basically.”

“How do I get out of this chicken shit outfit?”

Raise your hand if you accidentally killed yourself in the Fallout games using a mininuke.
*Raises hand*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:52:43pm

There are a number of wind turbines up at the top of our valley on the Rhine. They were built on the site of former Pershing missile silos, which were convenient to fill in with concrete to serve as foundations.

But it reminds me that if there had been any sort of war, this valley would still be a wasteland.

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darthstar  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:52:47pm

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makeitstop  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:53:15pm

re: #428 Ace-o-aces

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I loved this one from that thread:

Their level of self-delusion, day-drinking, head trauma, and lead-paint chip ingestion is a miracle of medical science.

Nailed it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:54:54pm

re: #433 darthstar

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darthstar  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:56:12pm

re: #435 Eclectic Cyborg

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I know…humor is wasted on some people.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:57:56pm

re: #430 William Lewis

This talk reminds me of one the guys I went to high school with who ended up in a Pershing II unit. Much more interesting weapon, very accurate and quite a long range for Europe - all of which is why the Soviets hated and feared it. That hill they were on was probably the biggest target in the FRG while those missiles were deployed.

That’s what finally drove the IRNF treaty. A buddy was a QASAS babysitting a hundred or so of them near Hanau.

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darthstar  Feb 16, 2018 • 3:58:16pm

Conversation I just had after someone posted a pic of a ‘Korean inspired sliders’ truck.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:02:19pm

re: #438 darthstar

Conversation I just had after someone posted a pic of a ‘Korean inspired sliders’ truck.

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Like all things, food trucks vary greatly in quality. Many are crap, but there are a few that are amazing.

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:04:02pm

re: #430 William Lewis

This talk reminds me of one the guys I went to high school with who ended up in a Pershing II unit. Much more interesting weapon, very accurate and quite a long range for Europe - all of which is why the Soviets hated and feared it. That hill they were on was probably the biggest target in the FRG while those missiles were deployed.

The little Revell plastic model of the Pershing II was a very popular rocket for model rocket competition where you had to convert a plastic model to “fly” powered by the standard model rocket engines.

It was always announced at the event that everyone wanting to view the launches to be on their toes. Getting a plastic model off the launch pad could be scary.

I can still remember a Revell Gemini Space Walker Astronaut chasing people.

Mine was a Gemini Capsule with clear plastic stabilizer fins. Good times.

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austin_blue  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:04:16pm

Big ass quake, 7.5, between Acapulco and Oaxaca. Just hit.

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darthstar  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:05:58pm

Poor Joe. He must be crushed.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:06:40pm

re: #440 ObserverArt

The little Revell plastic model of the Pershing II was a very popular rocket for model rocket competition where you had to convert a plastic model to “fly” powered by the standard model rocket engines.

It was always announced at the event that everyone wanting to view the launches to be on their toes. Getting a plastic model off the launch pad could be scary.

I can still remember a Revell Gemini Space Walker Astronaut chasing people.

Mine was a Gemini Capsule with clear plastic stabilizer fins. Good times.

I have an Estes entry-level in the grandkid’s spare bedroom, and an ammo can full of motors in the garage. He’s visiting this long weekend, and the weather is very good.

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darthstar  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:08:11pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:09:30pm

re: #438 darthstar

Conversation I just had after someone posted a pic of a ‘Korean inspired sliders’ truck.

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You could make Spam sliders with Korean ingredients. Like budae-jjigae on a bun. And the random processed foods would definitely lend a certain Guy Fieri quality to the proceeding.

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:13:24pm

re: #443 Decatur Deb

I have and Estes entry-level in the grandkid’s spare bedroom, and an ammo can full of motors in the garage. He’s visiting this long weekend, and the weather is very good.

That all really was a good time for a kid in high school. I was a pretty good modeler and learning to build cool little rockets and scale rockets and make them purposeful for competition was great. Learned a lot.

So teaching a kid to learn some modeling and then watching them fly is a good thing. Have fun!

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The Major  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:15:21pm

re: #373 calochortus

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:15:54pm

I knew this was coming:

Is it possible that RWNJs don’t really want school shootings to stop, (so long as they stay at public schools)?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:16:06pm

re: #446 ObserverArt

That all really was a good time for a kid in high school. I was a pretty good modeler and learning to build cool little rockets and scale rockets and make them purposeful for competition was great. Learned a lot.

So teaching a kid to learn some modeling and then watching them fly is a good thing. Have fun!

Incorporated an inch of lanyarded copper pipe in the safe/arm circuit. I know this kid.

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The Major  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:17:27pm

re: #381 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

the SF Opera is doing the Ring Cycle this summer and I’m going!

A quick introduction to Wagner’s Ring Cycle - as only could be delivered by the late great Anna Russel….

Wagner’s ‘Der Ring des Nibelungen’ (analysis)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:17:56pm

re: #373 calochortus

BBIAB

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I have had major reactions with all 4 statins my Dr tried. Muscle aches, weakness, brain fog and GERD. The last one really triggered pain in both my arm and my left ankle.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:19:17pm

re: #371 Mike Lamb

I know it’s Twitter, but good grief Andrew K made a hash of what he was trying to say there.

I was stunned, too. He’s usually right on point.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:21:30pm

re: #448 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I knew this was coming:

Wouldn’t a “school shooting” at homeschool just be…domestic murder?

I mean, there’s a basic category error here.

But also…you’re more likely to get shot at home, by your dad/husband, than by a classmate at school.

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The Major  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:22:26pm

re: #386 William Lewis

I’ve never really gotten into opera even though I love classical, ballet, choral music, etc.

I’ve seen Mahler’s 3rd Symphony performed twice: once at Fox Theater with Gunther Herbig and the Detroit Symphony back in the 1980s and at Ravinia with the Chicago Symphony under Christoph Esenbach in the 90s. Being on the flight path to ORD was a bummer….

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gocart mozart  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:23:18pm
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The Major  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:24:40pm

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austin_blue  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:26:23pm

re: #441 austin_blue

Big ass quake, 7.5, between Acapulco and Oaxaca. Just hit.

Looks like a relatively shallow (25,000 meters) normal thrust fault (dip of 15 degrees) and well inland. It’s not an overriding crust snapper like Japan or Indonesia. No tsunami.

Still, probably a lot of local damage. Felt in the DF.

CNN says it was in the southeast in the country in the State of Oaxaca.

Idiots.

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austin_blue  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:27:31pm

re: #450 The Major

A quick introduction to Wagner’s Ring Cycle - as only could be delivered by the late great Anna Russel….

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Our story begins in the Rhine River: not On it, In it!

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calochortus  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:27:33pm

re: #447 The Major

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:28:06pm

re: #450 The Major

A quick introduction to Wagner’s Ring Cycle - as only could be delivered by the late great Anna Russel….

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“The whole thing starts in the River Rhine.. IN IT!”

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The Major  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:28:42pm

re: #440 ObserverArt

The little Revell plastic model of the Pershing II was a very popular rocket for model rocket competition where you had to convert a plastic model to “fly” powered by the standard model rocket engines.

Pray tell-what engines were used-A, B or C-series? and in what newton ratings? (A8-3, B6-4, C6-5 come off the top of my head….)

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The Major  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:29:06pm

re: #442 darthstar

@SebGorka blocked me….

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calochortus  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:30:30pm

re: #451 Joe Bacon 🌹

I have had major reactions with all 4 statins my Dr tried. Muscle aches, weakness, brain fog and GERD. The last one really triggered pain in both my arm and my left ankle.

What fun for you. Not.

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:30:49pm

re: #449 Decatur Deb

Incorporated an inch of lanyarded copper pipe in the safe/arm circuit. I know this kid.

Heh, just doing some reminiscing about the competition and having mentioned this here before…I was just looking at Google images searching for “model rocket competition” and it appears to still be ongoing. Cool.

Here is an image of some kids with their “egg loft” competition rocket. Egg goes in the longish nose cone with as inventive a protection packing as possible. And you fly the rocket. it is judged on stability and height of flight and bring the egg back down unbroken.

Good to see young ladies involved too. I had a female teammate in my final year of high school…the girlfriend of a buddy that was at Ohio State in the aero department.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:31:23pm

re: #458 austin_blue

re: #460 Blind Frog Belly White

What I get for not reading through the thread before responding.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:31:59pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:32:14pm

re: #462 The Major

@SebGorka blocked me….

I think the only people he hasn’t blocked are those who never signed up for Twitter.

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:36:36pm

re: #461 The Major

Pray tell-what engines were used-A, B or C-series? and in what newton ratings? (A8-3, B6-4, C6-5 come off the top of my head….)

There were also D, E and F engines for competition.

“Plastic Model” was whatever engine you wanted to use to get the model off the pad. Judged by style points, uniqueness and flight ability. Most were heavy, but they had to be under 1 pound as all competition rockets needed to be.

And as such, most flights were slow and not very high with flights sometimes taking the characteristics of a carpenter bee flight.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:36:38pm

re: #384 The Ghost of a Flea

Try not to get the giggles when you remember that Siegfried is basically all singing about incest.

Ruined my last attempt at “the Ring.”

“And she’s the only woman he’s ever come across who ISN’T his aunt.

“I’m not making this up!”

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Charles Johnson  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:36:54pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:37:56pm
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Kragar  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:38:34pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:39:44pm

re: #472 Kragar

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And they were right.

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Kilroy was here  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:39:58pm

re: #472 Kragar

They proved right…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:41:16pm

“Record-setting”

I’m surprised he didn’t say, “Response the likes of which the world has never seen”.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:41:33pm

re: #464 ObserverArt

Heh, just doing some reminiscing about the competition and having mentioned this here before…I was just looking at Google images searching for “model rocket competition” and it appears to still be ongoing. Cool.

Here is an image of some kids with their “egg loft” competition rocket. Egg goes in the longish nose cone with as inventive a protection packing as possible. And you fly the rocket. it is judged on stability and height of flight and bring the egg back down unbroken.

Good to see young ladies involved too. I had a female teammate in my final year of high school…the girlfriend of a buddy that was at Ohio State in the aero department.

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Kid has been to Huntsville, only lives a couple hours away. He’s still too young for the camp, but I’ll get him to Kennedy soon. (Already ran him through a B17 and a day on a dropzone.) Every time his mother brings him, I try to up the throw-weight on the projectiles—from nerf stuff to model trebuchet, to Estes. I’ve still got a huge garage-door spring I can’t seem to toss away.

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The Major  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:42:12pm

re: #466 goddamnedfrank

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ObserverArt  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:42:46pm

One last point about model rockets. Some of the best were the people from Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Russia back in the 70s. There were world competitions.

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Jay C  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:45:42pm

re: #475 Blind Frog Belly White

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“Record-setting”

I’m surprised he didn’t say, “Response the likes of which the world has never seen”.

Gee, he spared them twenty whole minutes?
If it wasn’t late in the evening, I would have guessed he had a tee time to make….

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calochortus  Feb 16, 2018 • 4:49:45pm

Must see about making dinner. Chicken/tortilla soup. :)

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Brian J.  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:03:06pm

re: #302 Hecuba’s daughter

But those on the left fall as well — witness the BernieBros.

The Senator from Vladivostok has finally run out of excuses, and so have the Democrats for putting up with this traitorous turd.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:03:24pm
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Pineapple Pizzagate  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:03:55pm

re: #438 darthstar

(adds spam and wasabi to shopping list)

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gocart mozart  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:04:14pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:05:03pm

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you… Owen Shroyer.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:06:08pm
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FormerDirtDart  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:12:09pm

re: #486 Charles Johnson

He never talks about the victims. Always about the first responders

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ckkatz  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:13:39pm

re: #127 Belafon

I was just thinking about the fact that whites in Mississippi (or one of the other southern states) shut schools down for three years to avoid desegregation.

Prince Edward County, Virginia for one. My father moved from Virginia to Maryland because he was so disgusted at this.

en.wikipedia.org

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:15:58pm

the readjustment shock this caused at breitbart is something to behold

the major message is: “ok ok ok so the russia thing is real but see this clears trump of collusion see and democrats are the ones that the russians really played hahaha democrats are so gullible”

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Stanley Sea  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:16:36pm

re: #486 Charles Johnson

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He yanked the fuck out of the surgeon’s hand
Find the video.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:18:16pm

re: #490 Stanley Sea

He yanked the fuck out of the surgeon’s hand
Find the video.

Pres and Mrs Trump accompanied on hospital visit with shooting victims by trauma surgeon Dr. Igor Nichiporenko.

Trump has a hard time letting go of Russians.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:20:26pm

I’ve always suspected that Putin might have legacy Cold War dirt on Bernie.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:28:07pm

re: #485 Charles Johnson

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you… Owen Shroyer.

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He looks like a stock photo: “Millennial Asshole”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:28:46pm

re: #487 FormerDirtDart

He never talks about the victims. Always about the first responders

Victims are losers. First responders are heroes.

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electrotek  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:30:12pm

Welp, I finally had someone who I’ve known for 20 years since freshman year of HS delete me because he couldn’t handle my army of liberals pounding on him when he starts shit on my FB.

He calls others “snowflakes” yet he is the one that starts crying when he can’t handle the heat.

Even one of his closest friends admitted that he always starts shit on my FB posts and that I’ve demonstrated more patience with him, and that he has no room to play victim.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:31:10pm
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dirkdigglerjr  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:32:43pm

Going down the road today in my little world of right-wing, rural heaven, I get behind a pickup truck with a huge vertical anti-Obama sticker. These folks worship Trump because he says what they are thinking. And nothing - NOTHING - is going to change their minds. Nice folks, just completely ignorant and held hostage by Fox News, the Bible, and the NRA.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:32:50pm

re: #496 Dr. Matt

If he really believes that, his life is wasted.

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dangerman  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:32:57pm

mother jones says

Mueller’s Latest Indictment Shows Trump Has Helped Putin Cover Up a Crime.

By continuing to cast doubt on Russian involvement, the president is helping the Kremlin get away with its election attack.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:34:23pm

Bullshit

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Charles Johnson  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:37:45pm

re: #496 Dr. Matt

Right, that’s why companies spend billions of dollars on advertising, because it doesn’t work.

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scottslemmons  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:40:25pm

re: #448 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I knew this was coming:

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Is it possible that RWNJs don’t really want school shootings to stop, (so long as they stay at public schools)?

What they want is no public schools, no colleges, as little education as possible. Combined with no Internet, no government aid for anyone, a crashed job market — they want everyone uneducated, unable to learn anything, and too overworked to do anything but watch Trump TV. An uneducated populace is easier to enslave.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:45:11pm

re: #384 The Ghost of a Flea

Try not to get the giggles when you remember that Siegfried is basically all singing about incest.

Ruined my last attempt at “the Ring.”

And doesn’t the fact that Wotan set it all up spoil the pathos of his losing his beloved Brunhilde?

504
A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 16, 2018 • 5:52:17pm

re: #426 Hecuba’s daughter

If my husband were still alive, we would already have plane reservations, hotel reservations, and tickets! Of course, he would have to attend the operas without me — I didn’t do Wagner Ring Cycle because the operas are way too long.

“There’s really good seat available in the dress circle — one seat from the aisle! A single ticket purchaser snagged the aisle seat.”

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William Lewis  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:04:00pm

re: #500 DodgerFan1988

Bullshit

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That’s amazingly idiotic even for a racist moron like him.

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majii  Feb 16, 2018 • 6:09:18pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

“Yeah because professors know the personal politics of all their students. Maybe you got lower grades because you’re a stupid ass, Charlie. Try some of that famous conservative personal responsibility on yourself for once.”

Charlie is our typical American conservative—-blame anyone else for their personal failings except themselves. There is no attempt to accept personal responsibility for their own failings. It works because right-wingers have spent decades portraying themselves as the victims in self-initiated and propagated plots.


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