Sunday Night Weirdness: House of Glass

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Well. Here’s something you won’t see every day.

Music by Holy Fuck (Buy or stream smarturl.it)

Director: Ft. Langley
Cinematography: OPD Brooks
Producer: William Wilkinson
1AD: Tim Wilkinson
Makeup: Felicity Baker
Movi Operator: Dave Wallace
1AC: Neal Granger
PA: Jonah Grindler, Rowan Mackenzie
Wardrobe: Leta Cushing Woodcock
Set Photographer: Brian Van Wyk
VFX: William Wilkinson, Austin Brown
Colorist: Josh Bohoskey @ The Mill
Special Thanks: David, Hans, Leslie, Nigel

Produced with the financial assistance of MuchFACT (RIP), a division of Bell Media Inc. muchfact.ca

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Skip Intro  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:31:21pm

President’s Day portrait.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:32:53pm
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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:33:34pm
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danarchy  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:36:59pm

Ok, I was just flipping through tv and there was something on the Science channel about Tesla so I stopped for a minute and they were chasing down some conspiracy theory abour Hitler having sent an assassination squad to the US to kill him. Et. tu. science channel?

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calochortus  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:40:42pm

re: #4 danarchy

Ok, I was just flipping through tv and there was something on the Science channel about Tesla so I stopped for a minute and they were chasing down some conspiracy theory abour Hitler having sent an assassination squad to the US to kill him. Et. tu. science channel?

Why I don’t miss cable.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:41:41pm
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Stanley Sea  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:41:52pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

He’s such an insecure bully.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:42:00pm
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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:42:59pm

re: #4 danarchy

Okay, I thought that silliness sounded familiar. Yup, aired first on basic (many, not all) cable sister station, Discovery. A mess.

hollywoodreporter.com

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:44:48pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Republican source: “the president is an incontinent infant.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:45:11pm

Thinking outside of the box: I went to Microsoft’s “report a scam” Website and reported Microsoft as a scammer.

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danarchy  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:45:45pm

re: #9 JordanRules

Okay, I thought that silliness sounded familiar. Yup, aired first on basic (many, not all) cable sister station, Discovery. A mess.

hollywoodreporter.com

That’s the one.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:46:16pm
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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:48:10pm
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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:50:22pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:52:02pm

re: #8 Ace-o-aces

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Women aren’t really attracted to the whole “Issac from Children of the Corn” vibe.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:52:21pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:55:35pm

These fucking assholes.

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:56:41pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Yes, amazing what survival will spur you to do.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:58:10pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Interesting initials there.

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calochortus  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:58:53pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

It’s not like they are responsible for any of the arrangements for the funerals or anything else, and grief doesn’t necessarily prevent you from taking action.

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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2018 • 8:59:16pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

These fucking assholes.

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Shorter tweet: ”WHY CAN’T THESE KIDS SHUT UP AND GO AWAY SO WE CAN ALL GO BACK TO BLISSFUL IGNORANCE?!”

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Decatur Deb  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:00:01pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

That’s KKK for short.

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:00:21pm

I just finished setting up my new Amazon Fire TV with my new choice to go with ATT DirecTV Now streaming service and if it works as good as it looks right now, Imma be real happy with this.

Amazing how easy it all was. Biggest problem was entering all my passwords for Amazon and ATT.

Then I hooked up the audio out using the digital out and damn, even the sound is nice and natural.

Hopefully I can call Spectrum (Charter/Former Time Warner) and tell them where they can put their service they just raised my price by 33%!

That is all.

Oh, yeah, the Fire TV wifi unit was free along with a free week on DirecTV on a special I managed to get about 20 minutes before it expired.

The Fire TV can be handy for other stuff now too. And it is voice activated. Look out…time to leave cable behind…I hope. Fingers crossed.

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calochortus  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:01:20pm

Time to turn my attention to “Victoria.”
Hasta mañana, Lizards.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:01:25pm

Insecure Oprah tho? LMAO
So lame. Traitorous dweeb.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:01:55pm

re: #19 jaunte

Yes, amazing what survival will spur you to do.

Many people find that grieving is most effective when it is channeled toward change.

We’re about due for some damn change. It was the shooting of Kent State students broadcast on television that caused a sea change on support for the Vietnam War. The photographs of Emmett Till published in magazines and newspapers that spurred the change to get rid of Jim Crow.

Perhaps the broadcast of the shooter’s actions by the students of the school will be the thing that galvanises the public into a change in the conservative view on blood sacrifice for their religion.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:03:44pm

re: #27 Anymouse 🌹

We’re about due for some damn change

Think I might need a T-shirt.

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:07:40pm

The president is not a man.

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teleskiguy  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:12:49pm

re: #29 jaunte

He’s a ghoul, an evil fucking fuck.

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:13:44pm

re: #30 teleskiguy

Embodied pathology.

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:15:00pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:15:51pm

re: #17 Dave In Austin

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:18:46pm

re: #24 ObserverArt

I just finished setting up my new Amazon Fire TV with my new choice to go with ATT DirecTV Now streaming service and if it works as good as it looks right now, Imma be real happy with this.

Amazing how easy it all was. Biggest problem was entering all my passwords for Amazon and ATT.

Then I hooked up the audio out using the digital out and damn, even the sound is nice and natural.

Hopefully I can call Spectrum (Charter/Former Time Warner) and tell them where they can put their service they just raised my price by 33%!

That is all.

Oh, yeah, the Fire TV wifi unit was free along with a free week on DirecTV on a special I managed to get about 20 minutes before it expired.

The Fire TV can be handy for other stuff now too. And it is voice activated. Look out…time to leave cable behind…I hope. Fingers crossed.

Welcome to the club!

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:20:42pm

re: #33 Joe Bacon 🌹


@JohnDingell
Turn the TV off, you old fool.



josephebacon 🌹
@josephebacon
He can’t shut off the TV because he might sleep thru FAUX and FIENDS!
11:15 PM - Feb 18, 2018

Trump doesn’t read and doesn’t listen to briefings. The only way he knows anything, as flawed as it may be, outside his immediate observations is through television.

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Kragar  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:20:57pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:23:23pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:24:02pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:27:50pm

I may need more Bingo cards!

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:27:56pm

I noted to Microsoft that since they themselves recommend reporting suspected scams to your state attorney general, I will be doing that on Tuesday if this is not fixed.

Headline in newspaper: Microsoft accused of scamming Nebraska residents - AG

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BigPapa  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:33:27pm

I’m struck by thinking of these kids getting robbed of their last few years of childhood. In many dysfunctional families where one or both parents are failing, one or more of the kids steps up and becomes the adult out of necessity and takes care of the adults. Except in this case, the county and the adults running it are dysfunctional and these kids are stepping up. It’s really amazing and inspiring. It gives me hope that the Orange Terror and this ideological scourge can be beaten back the next two elections.

These kids, wow. They need our support and encouragement. I’m going to try and help them.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:33:44pm

Just got back from the House of Waters show in Evanston. If it weren’t for our gracious host, I would have never heard of them and experienced one of the best shows I’ve ever been to. Unfortunately I left my damn phone in my car. #%$&@!!!

For those that don’t know about them, check them out.

House of Waters: 2017 Tiny Desk Submission

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fern01  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:34:49pm

re: #3 JordanRules

Don’t think it’s paranoia that’s sending trump into a dip swing at the minute - he knows for whom the bell tolls.

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fern01  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:38:11pm

re: #26 JordanRules

Insecure Oprah tho? LMAO
So lame. Traitorous dweeb.

Self description. What is in themselves - they see in others.

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:42:20pm

re: #35 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump doesn’t read and doesn’t listen to briefings. The only way he knows anything, as flawed as it may be, outside his immediate observations is through television.

Everything is a freaking reality show contest with The Chief Orange Foolious.

Well okay have it that way Donny. You’re fucking fired. You have been voted off the island. You lost in the first round. The others want you out of the house!

You are a loser. Big L Donnie. Resign.

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:43:33pm

re: #43 fern01

Don’t think it’s paranoia that’s sending trump into a dip swing at the minute - he knows for whom the bell tolls.

Criminal Conspiracy to defraud the United States.

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jaunte  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:45:09pm

Sounded like Trump for a second there.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:50:39pm

re: #42 GlutenFreeJesus

Just got back from the House of Waters show in Evanston. If it weren’t for our gracious host, I would have never heard of them and experienced one of the best shows I’ve ever been to. Unfortunately I left my damn phone in my car. #%$&@!!!

For those that don’t know about them, check them out.

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Evanston? Illinois? I’ll bet my mother and step-father know the hammered dulcimer player… .

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:57:12pm

The Special Counsel’s indictments may someday have to be cataloged by local, state, national or international, as well as by geographic region, depending on the operating level and venue of the indicted stooge.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 18, 2018 • 9:57:32pm

re: #48 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. I know he and the bassist are originally from here. They’ve had at least 2 percussionists over the years. Based out of NY now.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:01:37pm

A President’s Day Without a Real President (Joy Ann Reed @ The Daily Beast)

Monday is President’s Day. It will be the second consecutive such holiday without an American president. Sure, Donald Trump sits in the Oval Office, when he’s not golfing. He lives in the White House, at least in theory with his family. But he is not the president of the United States.

When Trump addressed the nation in the wake of the Parkland massacre, my team and I looked at the TV but the words coming from his mouth had no effect. They neither resonated nor moved a single person in the room. It truly didn’t matter what he said, particularly after he tweeted out blame for the carnage at the neighbors and classmates of the killer. Trump is as hollow a vessel as there has ever been in the White House. His rule lacks even a shred of moral authority.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:20:20pm

I just got a flood of E-mail from Microsoft offering to help me with my Office problems “please don’t report this to your AG!!!”

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:23:45pm

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:28:37pm

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Martin Van Buren can fuck off.

He knows what he did.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:28:55pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:39:34pm

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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Someone actually claims that it’s John Tyler that they don’t want to honor because he was a member of the Confederate Congress.

I am going to bed now…

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makeitstop  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:40:13pm

I’ve been reading some guy’s tweet about Fergie and the national anthem. This cracked me up.

I love a good typo.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:42:30pm

re: #57 makeitstop

That was not sexy or good. My pantry on the other hand…

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makeitstop  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:44:36pm

re: #58 JordanRules

That was not sexy or good. My pantry on the other hand…

I can’t wrap my head around her take on the anthem. I’m at a total loss for words.

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ozharas  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:46:26pm

Another cartoon to make a point, from the Guardian UK.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:46:39pm

And whaddya know? Office seems to be working correctly now.

Those folks who complain about “big government” and “fewer regulations” can take a leap at a flying doughnut.

Government is the only tool the people have to defend themselves against rapacious business and scammers (ofttimes the same thing).

Just the threat of calling my state AG was enough to get a problem fixed in less than an hour, which I have been wrestling with for three months.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:48:16pm

re: #57 makeitstop

I’ve been reading some guy’s tweet about Fergie and the national anthem. This cracked me up.

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I love a good typo.

I hate when my pantries are in a wad. Peanut butter is where the canned chili is supposed to be, canned diced tomatoes are where the soups should be and where are the tortillas?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 18, 2018 • 10:53:34pm

Aaarrgg! My own brother, the youngest one, has fallen for the bullshit claim that “crime is out of control” in Australia since the “gun ban.” In fact only about 20% of the guns in Australia were affected and there has been no significant increase in crime.
snopes.com
I have sent him some relevant information and links but I am not sure what good it will do, such is the power of the NRA/GOP lie machine.
Btw, I would love to see the NRA get caught up in the Russia-gate investigation, with Wayne Lil’Penis frog-marched away to Federal prison and his blood-stained empire abolished as a criminal enterprise.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:21:39pm

re: #59 makeitstop

I really can’t either.
I didn’t enjoy the take on the musical arrangement and of course she was uhhh interestingly bad - interpretation and singing.
Whole thing was just not good and I’m still confused by it.
Luckily I got some enjoyment out of the player and audience reactions.

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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:28:27pm

re: #55 JordanRules

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I am honestly surprised they haven’t found a wingnut (parent, teacher, staff, student, etc) to be the “spokesperson” on their shows, bitching that students and families pushing gun control are “disrespecting” the deceased and should “just let the families grieve.”

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:29:49pm

Happy Presidents’ Day everyone.

SOS
SOS
SOS
SOS

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:35:23pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

I think bottom dwellers were caught off guard.
I expect the full, depraved, coordinated response this week.
And now their support is so huge it can help deflect, insulate and mute more of it than usual. People been ready for this fight!

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sagehen  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:36:27pm

re: #4 danarchy

Ok, I was just flipping through tv and there was something on the Science channel about Tesla so I stopped for a minute and they were chasing down some conspiracy theory abour Hitler having sent an assassination squad to the US to kill him. Et. tu. science channel?

Did you ever see the TV show Sanctuary? Starring Amanda Tapping (SG-1’s Samantha Carter)…

Nikola Tesla was a character on the show; a 150-year-old vampire, weird sense of humor, and of course he’d continued inventing things (secret things) after he faked his death…

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:40:19pm

re: #66 JordanRules

Happy Presidents’ Day everyone.

SOS
SOS
SOS
SOS

The flag is at half-mast in front of my house for another school massacre.

I used to be a member of The Liberal Gun Club, right after the organisation formed. In point of fact, I was their first Nebraska member, as the organisation at the time was primarily in California.

It was originally formed so people who wanted to practice target or skeet shooting at ranges could do so when those ranges required being a member of a gun-owners association (and the choices were the crazy NRA and the crazier GOA).

They formed a discussion forum (found at the link above) to discuss things such as hunting, skeet shooting, gunsmithing, &c.

As the NRA continued to gain a radical bent, more of its members left the NRA and joined the LGC. As they joined, the LGC’s discussion fora have become more and more rabid and absolutist, just like the NRA.

After a couple years, I left the LGA. I was not interested in NRA lite, and I can go to skeet shooting ranges around here anyway without any such membership requirements.

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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:42:48pm

re: #67 JordanRules

I think bottom dwellers were caught off guard.
I expect the full, depraved, coordinated response this week.
And now their support is so huge it can help deflect, insulate and mute more of it than usual. People been ready for this fight!

I’d buy that, that they haven’t found anyone because the event was so shocking and the response from survivors so adamant that nobody really wants to be “that guy.” But there has to be a wingnut in some way connected to all this who is going to see the opportunity to be the “voice of sanity” and try to come forward.

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JordanRules  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:48:18pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

Agree. Something/one will eventually fill that gross role.
They didn’t expect this response at all I’d suspect. Look at the history. They have been so comfortable. The playbook has worked amazingly well. The terrorist arm paid for that and they enabled it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 18, 2018 • 11:51:10pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

I’d buy that, that they haven’t found anyone because the event was so shocking and the response from survivors so adamant that nobody really wants to be “that guy.” But there has to be a wingnut in some way connected to all this who is going to see the opportunity to be the “voice of sanity” and try to come forward.

As far as I know, there are no walkout events planned anywhere around here. I don’t know how to find one if there is.

I would be happy to join a protest … dammit, at least one elected person ought to show up if there is. (Probably lose me the election in November, but I’m sick of this crap.)

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:02:54am

re: #72 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t have a sense for how widespread it will be yet.
But if you’d like to make a sign I’d love to post it around with whatever geographic descriptor you’d like as I’m sure other lizards would too.
Would love if you had a good logistical option for a protest with like-minded folk too and support from an elected official.
But solidarity expressed however we can is amazing and important!

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:22:01am

re: #3 JordanRules

That’s what I’ve been thinking for a while now…….his paranoia has gotta be off the charts. Well beyond mere Nixonian paranoia.

We’re into Trumpian paranoia now.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:27:08am

re: #74 Dr Lizardo

And I believe it will get a lot worse unfortunately.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:27:51am

Well, as far as the Women’s March school walkout, there is only one currently scheduled in Nebraska (Omaha, 420 miles away).

The nearest would be several scheduled in the Denver area (over 200 miles away).

Probably too far for me, but I can keep an eye on that Website to see if something closer is scheduled.

actionnetwork.org

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:28:42am

re: #75 JordanRules

And I believe it will get a lot worse unfortunately.

I have little doubt that it will, especially if (or when) those in his inner circle end up under indictment.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:29:14am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:29:37am

re: #73 JordanRules

I don’t have a sense for how widespread it will be yet.
But if you’d like to make a sign I’d love to post it around with whatever geographic descriptor you’d like as I’m sure other lizards would too.
Would love if you had a good logistical option for a protest with like-minded folk too and support from an elected official.
But solidarity expressed however we can is amazing and important!

I’m not sure what you mean by “make a sign” unless you mean something like a yard sign. That I could do, and post a photo, though it would have to be in my own yard, of course.

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Kragar  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:32:01am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:53:46am

re: #80 Kragar

LOL (and sad as well), we’ve surpassed peak “thoughts and prayers.”

I’ve passed that on to my E-mail stable of poor saps who are stuck with my liberal diatribes. (I suppose if they really didn’t want to read them, they could tell me to quit sending them. Either that, or my E-mail is flagged for their “junk” folders… .)

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:58:52am

re: #79 Anymouse 🌹

Yeah, just a protest sign and be outside.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 19, 2018 • 1:13:05am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 19, 2018 • 1:22:10am

The thread above doesn’t appear correctly on my computer, so I’ll post what that was in response to:

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 19, 2018 • 1:31:12am

Thread, six tweets:

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Dave In Austin  Feb 19, 2018 • 1:33:47am

I’m sharpening my knives!

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 19, 2018 • 1:34:53am

re: #87 Dave In Austin

I’m sharpening my knives!

Hey man, I didn’t do it. Take my wife and wallet but leave me alone! /s (wait, wut?)

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Aussie Apocalypse  Feb 19, 2018 • 1:40:18am

re: #87 Dave In Austin

What in: English, Maths, Physics or Chemistry?

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 1:42:27am
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Dave In Austin  Feb 19, 2018 • 1:51:04am

re: #89 Aussie Apocalypse

What in: English, Maths, Physics or Chemistry?

No, I’m really sharpening my knives!

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 1:54:53am
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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 1:59:52am

Can’t wait for these bullies to go down.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 19, 2018 • 2:06:04am
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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 2:24:31am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 19, 2018 • 2:33:48am

I imagine it is difficult to tell who the real students in the Florida school are, and which accounts might be fake. With that as a caution:

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 2:42:27am

re: #96 Anymouse 🌹

Who is asserting that they are a student in that tweet reply?
I don’t see anything in Katey’s timeline suggesting that she is.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 19, 2018 • 2:48:35am

re: #97 JordanRules

Who is asserting that they are a student in that tweet reply?
I don’t see anything in Katey’s timeline suggesting that she is.

Perhaps I misunderstood the tweet. Re-reading it, it doesn’t appear to be from a student, but a third person.

The concern remains though, social media being what it is, that many people could try to impersonate students from the school.

In the meantime, Wonkette was busy collecting social media posts from GOP folks and their enablers:

GOP Lying Out of Their Asses about the Mueller Indictments, Unpossible

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 2:55:50am

re: #98 Anymouse 🌹

Katey was quoting Cameron from the interview. He is a student.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 2:57:03am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 2:59:18am

re: #96 Anymouse 🌹

Florida shooting survivors announce March For Our Lives on March 24 in support of gun control: “We’ve been hearing is that it’s not the yet time to talk about gun control…so here’s the time we’re going to talk about gun control, March 24.”

Columbine happened before the Internet had taken off. The kids at Sandy Hook were too young to be cyberactive. These high school students have decided that they have had enough of being walking targets and have lent human faces to the cause of gun control.

Given the sort of reaction they can expect from certain circles, that is also an act of bravery.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 19, 2018 • 3:02:34am

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Columbine happened before the Internet had taken off. The kids at Sandy Hook were too young to be cyberactive. These high school students have decided that they have had enough of being walking targets and have lent human faces to the cause of gun control.

Given the sort of reaction they can expect from certain circles, that is also an act of bravery.

I guarantee wingnuts will have no trouble threatening teenagers. You know, pro-life and all.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 19, 2018 • 3:06:01am

Winter weather advisory for us right now. Winter storm warning immediately to our north. It’s already snowing here.
forecast.weather.gov

Storm warnings are also up for eastern Wyoming, the mountains of Colorado and New Mexico, and a good chunk of Utah.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 3:16:54am

re: #102 Anymouse 🌹

I guarantee wingnuts will have no trouble threatening teenagers. You know, pro-life and all.

That is what amazes me: this calls for a great deal of personal bravery, driven by sheer frustration and desperation.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 19, 2018 • 3:19:18am

re: #104 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is what amazes me: this calls for a great deal of personal bravery, driven by sheer frustration and desperation.

Bravery and courage are often displays that occur when you have nothing else.

They are the difference between “no more, I have to do something” and “I give up.”

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fern01  Feb 19, 2018 • 4:11:30am

Morning Ho just compared the Mueller investigation to Ken Starr’s investigation of pres Clinton - and announced how good the republicans are because they are not attacking Mueller, while all those terrible democrats attacked Starr.

These so called moderate republicans look for ANY reason to attack democrats - and of course anyone called Clinton.

When trump is gone they will revert to form and attack democrats non stop. They have no moral path. They are trump.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 19, 2018 • 4:19:36am

Seeing on Japanese twitter that Gibson is on the verge of bankruptcy. I guess between issues getting good wood, drop in sales (more competition but also fewer playing). Guess it’s good I held on to my Firebird.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 4:21:11am

re: #107 Barefoot Grin

Seeing on Japanese twitter that Gibson is on the verge of bankruptcy. I guess between issues getting good wood, drop in sales (more competition but also fewer playing). Guess it’s good I held on to my Firebird.

I had a 70’s vintage SG that I had to give in security for a personal loan when my old car broke down. I might get it back some day but I am afraid that is not likely at this point

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 19, 2018 • 4:42:06am

re: #106 fern01

Morning Ho just compared the Mueller investigation to Ken Starr’s investigation of pres Clinton - and announced how good the republicans are because they are not attacking Mueller, while all those terrible democrats attacked Starr.

These so called moderate republicans look for ANY reason to attack democrats - and of course anyone called Clinton.

When trump is gone they will revert to form and attack democrats non stop. They have no moral path. They are trump.

Republicans aren’t attacking Mueller? Which country does Joe Scarborough live in?

BWAHAHAHAHA

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 19, 2018 • 4:43:39am

re: #108 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I had a 70’s vintage SG that I had to give in security for a personal loan when my old car broke down. I might get it back some day but I am afraid that is not likely at this point

That would be worth a few thousand now.

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William Lewis  Feb 19, 2018 • 4:44:37am

re: #69 Anymouse 🌹

The flag is at half-mast in front of my house for another school massacre.

I used to be a member of The Liberal Gun Club, right after the organisation formed. In point of fact, I was their first Nebraska member, as the organisation at the time was primarily in California.

It was originally formed so people who wanted to practice target or skeet shooting at ranges could do so when those ranges required being a member of a gun-owners association (and the choices were the crazy NRA and the crazier GOA).

They formed a discussion forum (found at the link above) to discuss things such as hunting, skeet shooting, gunsmithing, &c.

As the NRA continued to gain a radical bent, more of its members left the NRA and joined the LGC. As they joined, the LGC’s discussion fora have become more and more rabid and absolutist, just like the NRA.

After a couple years, I left the LGA. I was not interested in NRA lite, and I can go to skeet shooting ranges around here anyway without any such membership requirements.

Yep. I was there for years. But last fall I refused to renew my membership and told them so and why. OF course now I’m not a Real Leftist/Real Liberal because I won’t toe the party line there.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 4:50:37am
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Targetpractice  Feb 19, 2018 • 4:58:21am

re: #106 fern01

Morning Ho just compared the Mueller investigation to Ken Starr’s investigation of pres Clinton - and announced how good the republicans are because they are not attacking Mueller, while all those terrible democrats attacked Starr.

These so called moderate republicans look for ANY reason to attack democrats - and of course anyone called Clinton.

When trump is gone they will revert to form and attack democrats non stop. They have no moral path. They are trump.

Did Morning Joke happen to mention that Starr was the second goon appointed by the GOP after the first was fired for failing to turn up anything incriminating? And that Starr would have also crapped out if a two-faced bitch by the name of Tripp hadn’t betrayed her best friend in the worst way imaginable?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 5:00:51am

re: #110 Barefoot Grin

That would be worth a few thousand now.

yes, nearly half of what I had to borrow…

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Targetpractice  Feb 19, 2018 • 5:07:39am

There’s a special level in Hell for Roger Stone:

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nowherenorth2  Feb 19, 2018 • 5:07:41am

re: #110 Barefoot Grin

I have been reading up on this lately. Big issues with upper management, over pricing guitars (the new modern flying v ie msrp at 4500), not listenijg to or innovating with demand, and poor quality control as of late.

I personally think there are more guitarists and musicians but they are going for quality and price point and also buying based on their music, such as music mans and strandbergs or mayones. On top of that, more independent companies are out and giving far more qualityguitars for a lower price point.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 5:10:00am

re: #113 Targetpractice

Did Morning Joke happen to mention that Starr was the second goon appointed by the GOP after the first was fired for failing to turn up anything incriminating? And that Starr would have also crapped out if a two-faced bitch by the name of Tripp hadn’t betrayed her best friend in the worst way imaginable?

Honestly, to me the biggest issue is that what they found out was a consensual blow job. Millions spent on a BJ. Tripp or no Tripp, *this* was the big “get” that Republicans found.

And you have people like Gingrich, who was getting his own hummers from his not-at-the-time-but-future wife (which I forget…was that wife #2 or wife #3?) while he was going all Holier Than Thou on Clinton.

That was the travesty of BJgate. And, as always, Republicans got away with it.

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William Lewis  Feb 19, 2018 • 5:12:38am

re: #116 nowherenorth2

I have been reading up on this lately. Big issues with upper management, over pricing guitars (the new modern flying v ie msrp at 4500), not listenijg to or innovating with demand, and poor quality control as of late.

I personally think there are more guitarists and musicians but they are going for quality and price point and also buying based on their music, such as music mans and strandbergs or mayones. On top of that, more independent companies are out and giving far more qualityguitars for a lower price point.

I only hope that Epiphone can get out from under the collapsing debris when Gibson is finished off by the arrogance of Henry Juszkiewicz. They’re making good products at sane prices and are a far better buy than anything with the Gibson name on it right now.

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steve_davis  Feb 19, 2018 • 5:14:56am

re: #24 ObserverArt

I just finished setting up my new Amazon Fire TV with my new choice to go with ATT DirecTV Now streaming service and if it works as good as it looks right now, Imma be real happy with this.

Amazing how easy it all was. Biggest problem was entering all my passwords for Amazon and ATT.

Then I hooked up the audio out using the digital out and damn, even the sound is nice and natural.

Hopefully I can call Spectrum (Charter/Former Time Warner) and tell them where they can put their service they just raised my price by 33%!

That is all.

Oh, yeah, the Fire TV wifi unit was free along with a free week on DirecTV on a special I managed to get about 20 minutes before it expired.

The Fire TV can be handy for other stuff now too. And it is voice activated. Look out…time to leave cable behind…I hope. Fingers crossed.

I did close to the same thing. I’m hanging out in the same house my Dad was in before he died recently. He was spending 260 bucks a month for freakin satellite and internet. I didn’t even know there was such a thing as DirectvNow. But a couple weeks ago, I stumbled across it on the internet. So I now have a 40 dollar internet connection through AT&T and a 5 dollar a month promotional Now package, with a 5 dollar a month HBO package (pretty sure that’s the best HBO price out there). I use a Firestick on the big t.v. and it works flawlessly. Would it be nice if I still could use a remote with numbers on it, rather than having to flip through the channel guide to get back and forth between stuff? Sure. Would it be worth 200 bucks to do that? No.

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nowherenorth2  Feb 19, 2018 • 5:15:57am

re: #118 William Lewis

True. I have my little issues with epiphones but those masterbilt acoustics are goddamn solid.

If you want to see a great “custom” company, I would check out carbon/kiezel. I say “custom” because they build guitars that you make, but you only have their options for everything from body shape to but material.

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Targetpractice  Feb 19, 2018 • 5:18:24am

re: #117 MsJ

Honestly, to me the biggest issue is that what they found out was a consensual blow job. Millions spent on a BJ. Tripp or no Tripp, *this* was the big “get” that Republicans found.

And you have people like Gingrich, who was getting his own hummers from his not-at-the-time-but-future wife (which I forget…was that wife #2 or wife #3?) while he was going all Holier Than Thou on Clinton.

That was the travesty of BJgate. And, as always, Republicans got away with it.

It was Wife #3, who Newt was banging while Wife #2 was in the hospital battling cancer.

And I bring up Tripp because without her, there would have been no “Lewinskygate” and Starr would have struck out. Or, at the very least, the odds of the affair would have taken longer to come to light and might very well have stayed secret past the end of Bill’s second term.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Feb 19, 2018 • 5:28:52am

re: #95 JordanRules

Huntsmen: Scaring the tourists since Dampier.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 19, 2018 • 5:35:59am
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Targetpractice  Feb 19, 2018 • 5:36:33am

re: #95 JordanRules

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William Lewis  Feb 19, 2018 • 5:46:57am

re: #120 nowherenorth2

True. I have my little issues with epiphones but those masterbilt acoustics are goddamn solid.

If you want to see a great “custom” company, I would check out carbon/kiezel. I say “custom” because they build guitars that you make, but you only have their options for everything from body shape to but material.

Nice looking instruments. If I was other than broke, I’d be quite interested.

My next guitar, if I can ever afford one, will be a semi or full hollow 12 string.

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fern01  Feb 19, 2018 • 5:47:58am

re: #113 Targetpractice

Did Morning Joke happen to mention that Starr was the second goon appointed by the GOP after the first was fired for failing to turn up anything incriminating? And that Starr would have also crapped out if a two-faced bitch by the name of Tripp hadn’t betrayed her best friend in the worst way imaginable?

Don’t know - I turned it off when the sycophants around him started nodding their bubble heads in agreement. I think he drops this nonsense hoping trump will tweet about it - Joe is desperate to know if dear leader still watches his show. He is going to spend the next 8 years claiming he brought trump down - as he spent the last 8 saying what a great job he did in congress.

America will never recover until they get some honest fair minded political pundits to tell people the truth - without adding the “both sides”

Some other pundit was mentioning all the other Presidents reactions to guns deaths - Clinton, Bush & Reagan got a mention. President Obama was mentioned re singing Amazing Grace. Not a word about the hours and hours he spent comforting the Sandy Hook parents, nor his speech prior to singing, nor his actions on gun control when congress refused to act. They really want to forget #44 - despite he was the best president of my lifetime (& I’m old)

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nowherenorth2  Feb 19, 2018 • 5:52:04am

re: #125 William Lewis

Nice I am looking at some Ibanez hollow body’s and solid body 6 strings

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 19, 2018 • 5:55:15am

re: #126 fern01

President Obama seems to have been the best president of my own life as well. President Carter’s failure was to deal with the GOP fairly when the GOP was doing everything it could to undermine him (to a degree President Obama had that problem as well).

I don’t think Hillary Clinton would have made that mistake if she’d been elected. Alas, we’re not going to find out from her presidency. Hopefully the next Democratic president will not make the mistake of believing the conservative party is interested in anything but gaining and maintaining power.

It’s late (that is, the sun is up), and it’s snowing, and I’m cold. All of those are good reasons to say good-bye for now and mosey off to bed.

The Lawrence Welk Show: Adios, Au Revior, Aufweidersehn `78

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 5:59:01am

I think lizard/liberal fatalism on a lot of topics keeps us from solving a lot of problems:

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jeffreyw  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:05:43am

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:12:57am

re: #129 Belafon

I think lizard/liberal fatalism on a lot of topics keeps us from solving a lot of problems:

I’m not of the opinion that calling out the outright hypocrisy of “thoughts and prayers, and nothing will be done” is fatalism. It is motivation to get people in office who will do something more than claim to clasp hands in prayer.

It is the Republicans in office who are beholden to the NRA who claim “nothing can be done.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:17:12am

re: #131 Anymouse 🌹

It is the Republicans in office who are beholden to the NRA who claim “nothing can be done.”

More like “Anything we might possibly do would be an unacceptable infringement on our 2A rights!”

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:18:49am

re: #121 Targetpractice

It was Wife #3, who Newt was banging while Wife #2 was in the hospital battling cancer.

And I bring up Tripp because without her, there would have been no “Lewinskygate” and Starr would have struck out. Or, at the very least, the odds of the affair would have taken longer to come to light and might very well have stayed secret past the end of Bill’s second term.

I have a friend who was in Washington for a few years as a staffer and she left politics completely. She told me that everyone knew that Clinton was a hound dog and she is fully convinced that the whole thing was a setup, either Monica herself or Tripp.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:26:47am

Well I was warned. I guess we do have the dive bar drunk and horny version of the National Anthem for the archives… Oh Fergie. (Morning news)

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:27:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:27:58am

re: #133 MsJ

I have a friend who was in Washington for a few years as a staffer and she left politics completely. She told me that everyone knew that Clinton was a hound dog and she is fully convinced that the whole thing was a setup, either Monica herself or Tripp.

Clinton was a terrible disappointment in that sense, he owned up to cheating on his wife and then demonstrated that it was not just a slip-up but part of a pattern. Not enough of a disappointment to run him out of office over, though…

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:29:29am

Good on her!

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Decatur Deb  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:30:35am

re: #134 Unshaken Defiance

Well I was warned. I guess we do have the dive bar drunk and horny version of the National Anthem for the archives… Oh Fergie. (Morning news)

Plz let this not be the Fergie related to the British royal family….

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Decatur Deb  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:31:39am

re: #136 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Clinton was a terrible disappointment in that sense, he owned up to cheating on his wife and then demonstrated that it was not just a slip-up but part of a pattern. Not enough of a disappointment to run him out of office over, though…

But he deserves every shot the late-night comics ever took at him.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:33:16am

re: #138 Decatur Deb

Plz let this not be the Fergie related to the British royal family….

No, it’s the Black Eyed Peas, will.i.am Fergie.

Stop being so old. Fergie (in the UK) stopped being “a thing” once Stacey Ferguson hit the airwaves. Ya old fogie!

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:33:39am

re: #115 Targetpractice

There’s a special level in Hell for Roger Stone:

Yep. I can’t help but think of all the people who decided we didn’t need to look into who is actually accusing Franken. And it could have been done without making their identities public, even though the accusers of all the other politicians have been brave enough to do it, even though, since they accuse Republicans, their lives have been threatened.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:33:51am

This is pretty cool.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:35:21am

re: #141 Belafon

Yep. I can’t help but think of all the people who decided we didn’t need to look into who is actually accusing Franken. And it could have been done without making their identities public, even though the accusers of all the other politicians have been brave enough to do it, even though, since they accuse Republicans, their lives have been threatened.

As soon as I saw that 1) the woman was part of the Fox News universe, and 2) Roger Stone had advance notice, I knew it was a setup. Few agreed with me. We spent days here arguing over it. I found it enormously frustrating.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:35:42am

re: #140 MsJ

You kids and your Fergies…

The best recent rendition of the anthem was done by the Dropkick Murphys for a Boston game. They stood there, sang it as well as it allows, and walked off.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:37:18am

re: #144 Decatur Deb

You kids and your Fergies…

The best recent rendition of the anthem was done the Dropkick Murphys for a Boston game. They stood there, sang it as well as it allows, and walked off.

I wish I was a young’un. I had to train myself to not think of her royal Fergieness. That’s my era, too.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:37:22am

re: #131 Anymouse 🌹

I’m not of the opinion that calling out the outright hypocrisy of “thoughts and prayers, and nothing will be done” is fatalism. It is motivation to get people in office who will do something more than claim to clasp hands in prayer.

It is the Republicans in office who are beholden to the NRA who claim “nothing can be done.”

Personally, I’m thinking more in terms of “the Republicans are just going to block it” or “we’ll never hear Democrats on TV because of the media” or “the Koch’s will just throw more money at races.” If we predict what the Republicans will do, and don’t act just because we’ve decided not to, then we do their job for them.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:38:24am
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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:39:32am

re: #139 Decatur Deb

Worse than Roseanne Barr or Carl Lewis because this Fergie is an actual singer for a living.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:39:44am

re: #131 Anymouse 🌹

It is the Republicans in office who are beholden to the NRA who claim “nothing can be done.”

Even when the NRA is not objecting apparently. Bumpstock…

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Decatur Deb  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:42:36am

The path to a renewed Assault Weapons Ban depends entirely on the Democrats taking the House, Senate, and Presidency. Work it out from there.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:43:29am

re: #150 Decatur Deb

Our future depends on it.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:44:12am

re: #143 MsJ

Most people agreed with you and Belafon.
I believe me, BBD and GD Frank were on an island alone.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:44:23am

re: #151 Unshaken Defiance

Our future depends on it.

Taking the reins or passing the ban?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:45:07am

re: #146 Belafon

Personally, I’m thinking more in terms of “the Republicans are just going to block it” or “we’ll never hear Democrats on TV because of the media” or “the Koch’s will just throw more money at races.” If we predict what the Republicans will do, and don’t act just because we’ve decided not to, then we do their job for them.

That’s the impression I got too. Thoughts and prayers isn’t fatalism. It’s more an observation on how men and women with the capacity as political leaders have the ability to implement change but use an empty slogan. If they want to pray, that’s fine but they weren’t elected to pray, they were elected to solve societal problems and gun violence is one of those.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:45:19am

re: #153 Decatur Deb

Taking the reins or passing the ban?

Yes.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:47:05am

re: #153 Decatur Deb

Taking the reins or passing the ban?

Taking the reins. We have a panoply of deadly issues being handled now with pure self serving incompetence

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Decatur Deb  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:47:08am

re: #155 Belafon

Yes.

Which has to happen first?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:48:27am

re: #152 JordanRules

Most people agreed with you and Belafon.
I believe me, BBD and GD Frank were on an island alone.

I have to admit that I got caught up in it. We and I include myself have to be careful because this is going to be directed at potential presidential candidates too.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:50:21am

re: #157 Decatur Deb

Which has to happen first?

I’m very much a believer in Daily Kos’s mission statement: More and Better Democrats. I’d rather discuss passing a bill with conservative Democrats than attempting to get Republicans on board. Elect Democrats, challenge their votes, primary them of you don’t like them, and then vote for the Democrat.

Maybe someday, we’ll get more liberal Republicans back in office, but it isn’t going to be any time soon.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:51:04am

The latest RW talking point seems to be Wray needs to be fired as FBI Director.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:52:12am

re: #160 HappyWarrior

The latest RW talking point seems to be Wray needs to be fired as FBI Director.

Back to basics!

/

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:53:02am

re: #159 Belafon

I’m very much a believer in Daily Kos’s mission statement: More and Better Democrats. I’d rather discuss passing a bill with conservative Democrats than attempting to get Republicans on board. Elect Democrats, challenge their votes, primary them of you don’t like them, and then vote for the Democrat.

Maybe someday, we’ll get more liberal Republicans back in office, but it isn’t going to be any time soon.

Agreed. I definitely don’t agree with the position that Republican is better than Republican lite which I think is dishonest anyhow but part of coalition building is building a national movement that includes many people.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:53:46am

re: #158 HappyWarrior

I have to admit that I got caught up in it. We and I include myself have to be careful because this is going to be directed at potential presidential candidates too.

I think if we stick to the basics and lessen the atmospherics we can do that. Weight of evidence, credibility of accuser, number of accusers, strength of alibi if any. Hell what if Al gets exonerated and then runs? Wishful thinking perhaps.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:53:50am

re: #160 HappyWarrior

The latest RW talking point seems to be Wray needs to be fired as FBI Director.

I’m so old I remember when we lefties wanted to fire the first FBI Director.

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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:55:04am

Last week while it was happening i made a comment that i live close to Plantation and used to live about 5 miles from there. Partially i guess to give perspective. And more.

Some of us clearly follow the gun debate closer than others. I have for years. Still i dont track every shooting because i think i’d go insane if i did.

Sadly, some shootings do stand out more than others. And we all know that nothing much ever changes. so it does all kind of blur

maybe my giving it immediate context was a way to make this one a little more authentic - to me - to reawaken/remind…well since, Las Vegas. Which is a mind numbing thing to realize - how easily and quickly the mind gets numbed. (thats why a lot of people pray every day, though that’s really OT)

Last night i learned that i personally know people who know some of the victims. And lots of the survivors. Two degrees of separation.

fuck.

Ps - marco rubio was interviewed for 20 minutes on one of the local rock stations this morning.

he’s an ass

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:56:30am

re: #160 HappyWarrior

The latest RW talking point seems to be Wray needs to be fired as FBI Director.

“If we can fire Wray, then we can get someone who will force the FBI to stop investigating Trump.” They have no understanding how FBI, Justice, or the Mueller investigation work or work together.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:56:43am

re: #152 JordanRules

Most people agreed with you and Belafon.
I believe me, BBD and GD Frank were on an island alone.

It’s not a bad island, and in any other circumstance I would have been on it with you. But anytime Roger Fucking Stone is anywhere near it, whatever IT happens to be, it is a complete rat fuck. There’s no middle ground there.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:56:55am

re: #163 Unshaken Defiance

I think if we stick to the basics and lessen the atmospherics we can do that. Weight of evidence, credibility of accuser, number of accusers, strength of alibi if any. Hell what if Al gets exonerated and then runs? Wishful thinking perhaps.

True points. I do have to admit it was curious about the lady at the USO’s connections to the right wing machine.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:57:36am

re: #167 MsJ

It’s not a bad island, and in any other circumstance I would have been on it with you. But anytime Roger Fucking Stone is anywhere near it, whatever IT happens to be, it is a complete rat fuck. There’s no middle ground there.

I’d love to beat that son of a bitch at his own game.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:58:22am

re: #158 HappyWarrior

I have to admit that I got caught up in it. We and I include myself have to be careful because this is going to be directed at potential presidential candidates too.

That is something we are all going to have to watch.

As Carolyn O on twitter recently noted, we need to be especially careful about whom we believe on twitter because there is a huge Long Con going on. I am already starting to pitch a tent in the Trust No One camp.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:59:07am

re: #166 Belafon

“If we can fire Wray, then we can get someone who will force the FBI to stop investigating Trump.” They have no understanding how FBI, Justice, or the Mueller investigation work or work together.

They don’t want a FBI Director, they want a Trump enabler to obstruct any investigative activity directed Trumps way and to investigate HRC and Obama instead.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 6:59:31am

re: #170 MsJ

That is something we are all going to have to watch.

As Carolyn O on twitter recently noted, we need to be especially careful about whom we believe on twitter because there is a huge Long Con going on. I am already starting to pitch a tent in the Trust No One camp.

Correct.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:00:59am

re: #164 Decatur Deb

Defending the FBI is definitely new for me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:02:11am

re: #170 MsJ

That is something we are all going to have to watch.

As Carolyn O on twitter recently noted, we need to be especially careful about whom we believe on twitter because there is a huge Long Con going on. I am already starting to pitch a tent in the Trust No One camp.

I still see Twitter and FB primarily as social media, at best a source of material that can become part of news, but not as a source of news in itself.

But that argument is a cry in the wilderness: Trending on Twitter is a news item in and of itself, and people, starting with Breitbart and Drudge, figured that all they have to do is to float something on Twitter long enough and it will be picked by broadcast and print media and discussed as if it had any merit on its own, regardless of whether or not it does.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:03:56am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

I’d love to beat that son of a bitch at his own game.

I’d love to see that fucker rotting in prison.

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makeitstop  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:04:30am

These kids. Emma Gonzalez will make a great representative for some lucky district.

She’s just fearless. ‘This is our fight now.’

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:04:32am

re: #173 JordanRules

Defending the FBI is definitely new for me.

It’s like the police: I completely think that, in any society, you need police and an organization similar to the FBI. That doesn’t mean that I will defend any particular action just because I support the idea of their organization.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:06:15am

re: #176 makeitstop

These kids. Emma Gonzalez will make a great representative for some lucky district.

She’s just fearless. ‘This is our fight now.’

Someone should ask her if she thinks young adults need to get out and vote.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:06:26am

re: #176 makeitstop

These kids. Emma Gonzalez will make a great representative for some lucky district.

She’s just fearless. ‘This is our fight now.’

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:06:48am

re: #176 makeitstop

These kids. Emma Gonzalez will make a great representative for some lucky district.

She’s just fearless. ‘This is our fight now.’

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She’s very brave. I just know that she’s going to be targeted for hate and harassment if she hasn’t already. Keep up the good fight, Emma.

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:09:36am

re: #115 Targetpractice

There’s a special level in Hell for Roger Stone:

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Imagine my surprise, there was a big bot and wingnut pile-on to dump Franken. I guess they know what triggers Democrats and Republicans. It is what each does and doesn’t want to hear.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:10:20am

re: #168 HappyWarrior

True points. I do have to admit it was curious about the lady at the USO’s connections to the right wing machine.

And the allegation that the bit was written specifically for her so Al could get his hands on her. Yet there is video of the skit being performed some 2- 3 years before the alleged incident.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:11:19am

re: #182 Eventual Carrion

And the allegation that the bit was written specifically for her so Al could get his hands on her. Yet there is video of the skit being performed some 2- 3 years before the alleged incident.

I missed that part. Damn.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:11:53am

His tweet seems a little more unbothered than 45.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:12:37am

re: #170 MsJ

That is something we are all going to have to watch.

As Carolyn O on twitter recently noted, we need to be especially careful about whom we believe on twitter because there is a huge Long Con going on. I am already starting to pitch a tent in the Trust No One camp.

“The Internet, where men are men, women are also men, and children are FBI agents”

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:13:00am

re: #179 Decatur Deb

People react differently to being shot at. Some get really pissed off.

The right wingers on social media attacking these kids have no idea what they are getting into. These kids survived a physical attack (where their friends and family did not) and the right wingers think that some bad words are going to derail them. Good luck with that.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:13:22am

re: #184 JordanRules

His tweet seems a little more unbothered than 45.

After you clean up the blood enough times, it no longer causes your heart to race.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:14:03am

re: #180 HappyWarrior

She’s very brave. I just know that she’s going to be targeted for hate and harassment if she hasn’t already. Keep up the good fight, Emma.

I’m guessing the GOP and their goons are currently in the condescending phase of their approach to Emma and her fellow students. They’ll move on to harassment in short order.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:14:05am

re: #187 Belafon

So true. Yikes.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:14:43am

re: #187 Belafon

After you clean up the blood enough times, it no longer causes your heart to race.

So he’s The Wolf?

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:14:45am

re: #186 MsJ

The right wingers on social media attacking these kids have no idea what they are getting into. These kids survived a physical attack (where their friends and family did not) and the right wingers think that some bad words are going to derail them. Good luck with that.

I keep thinking we’ve reached the part in Finding Nemo where dad finally realizes Nemo knows what to do.

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:15:08am

re: #116 nowherenorth2

I have been reading up on this lately. Big issues with upper management, over pricing guitars (the new modern flying v ie msrp at 4500), not listenijg to or innovating with demand, and poor quality control as of late.

I personally think there are more guitarists and musicians but they are going for quality and price point and also buying based on their music, such as music mans and strandbergs or mayones. On top of that, more independent companies are out and giving far more qualityguitars for a lower price point.

That is exactly what happened in my opinion. And it is sad because just as you say, a good guitar can be built for less cost and Gibson could do it too.

I know a guy that runs a pretty solid guitar shop here in Columbus and he has said for a good 20 years or so that Gibsons need to be completely set-up when you buy one as they come from the factory with poor intonation, fret dressing, string height, neck curvature etc.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:15:19am

re: #188 Mike Lamb

I’m guessing the GOP and their goons are currently in the condescending phase of their approach to Emma and her fellow students. They’ll move on to harassment in short order.

Right. I totally expect Alex Jones to do something like attack her looks and for the Shapiro’s to attack her intelligence.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:17:11am

These kids were in grade school when Sandy Hook happened. I coach many kids around the same age. Good kids. I don’t do Twitter so I regrettably can’t send my support to them.

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:18:55am

re: #119 steve_davis

I did close to the same thing. I’m hanging out in the same house my Dad was in before he died recently. He was spending 260 bucks a month for freakin satellite and internet. I didn’t even know there was such a thing as DirectvNow. But a couple weeks ago, I stumbled across it on the internet. So I now have a 40 dollar internet connection through AT&T and a 5 dollar a month promotional Now package, with a 5 dollar a month HBO package (pretty sure that’s the best HBO price out there). I use a Firestick on the big t.v. and it works flawlessly. Would it be nice if I still could use a remote with numbers on it, rather than having to flip through the channel guide to get back and forth between stuff? Sure. Would it be worth 200 bucks to do that? No.

My DirecTV Now package came with the Fire TV wifi device…not the Firestick. It has the vocal recognition feature that so far works pretty good. You just say what channel you want and it switches. I haven’t used it a bunch yet, still getting used to the whole thing.

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sagehen  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:19:06am

re: #185 Eventual Carrion

“The Internet, where men are men, women are also men, and children are FBI agents”

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:19:38am

re: #193 HappyWarrior

Right. I totally expect Alex Jones to do something like attack her looks and for the Shapiro’s to attack her intelligence.

And they will totally fail. This isn’t a matter of attacking parents over their dead children where fighting back was as painful as reliving the death of their child over and over. These are pissed off teenagers with a cause, a cause that is from personal tragedy. While some may be overcome with sadness, the rest are angry and they are fighting mad. I do not see these right wing tools making any headway at all. Not there and not now. This is our time. And these kids are going to drive it home. I think (and hope) the NRA might not survive this one.

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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:19:42am

i know it’s Limbaugh: “The solution is we need concealed carry in these schools. If we’re not going to take action, we better have mechanisms in these schools to stop it when it breaks out.

in a nutshell

were not going to do anything
all their suggestions are for after the shooting starts

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:21:27am

re: #185 Eventual Carrion

“The Internet, where men are men, women are also men, and children are FBI agents”

re: #193 HappyWarrior

Right. I totally expect Alex Jones to do something like attack her looks and for the Shapiro’s to attack her intelligence.

Those are given, that is just satisfying what their audience demands. I worry about physical threats to them.

These young people are lending a human face to the issue of gun control and are going to be hard to ignore.

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makeitstop  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:23:45am

re: #192 ObserverArt

That is exactly what happened in my opinion. And it is sad because just as you say, a good guitar can be built for less cost and Gibson could do it too.

I know a guy that runs a pretty solid guitar shop here in Columbus and he has said for a good 20 years or so that Gibsons need to be completely set-up when you buy one as they come from the factory with poor intonation, fret dressing, string height, neck curvature etc.

The only Gibson I’ve got that was bought new is a Sixties Tribute Gold Top, and it’s a pretty good guitar. But I tried out every one they had in the shop (five of them) before I found one with proper fret dressing that wasn’t ripping up my fingers as I played. It’s the type of thing I can do myself, but for the cost of a new Les Paul, no one should have to set up their own guitar.

I’ve got four other Gibsons, all used, from ‘66, ‘71, ‘82 and 2003. No neck problems on any of those.

I’m hoping Gibson removes Henry J and grabs someone from a younger company (like the excellent Collings Guitars) to run things. Bill Collings’ work simply blows Gibson’s stuff out of the water.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:24:30am

re: #198 dangerman

i know it’s Limbaugh: “The solution is we need concealed carry in these schools. If we’re not going to take action, we better have mechanisms in these schools to stop it when it breaks out.

in a nutshell

were not going to do anything
all their suggestions are for after the shooting starts

Concealed carry in schools. You’re right. They have no solutions for preventing these shootings just fantasy based ideas once it starts. And don’t get me started on gun pedantry or the idea we won’t stop all shootings so ergo gun control measures are futile. We’re trying to reduce and prevent. We’d love to eliminate of course too but reduction and prevention are the goal here.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:25:13am

re: #193 HappyWarrior

Right. I totally expect will be angry when Alex Jones to do something like attack her looks and for the Shapiro’s to attack her intelligence.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:26:11am

And what happens when the shooter kills “good guy gun”, he gets more guns and ammo. Good guy gun will also make an already chaotic situation worse for LEO.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:26:34am

We need to get the word out on these companies that support the NRA and tell them that it’s not acceptable.

(tweet below)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:26:52am

re: #202 Belafon

For sure. A lot of us have kids her age or in my case a brother.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:27:09am

re: #204 MsJ

We need to get the word out on these companies that support the NRA and tell them that it’s not acceptable.

(tweet below)

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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:28:12am

re: #201 HappyWarrior

Concealed carry in schools. You’re right.They have no solutions for preventing these shootings just fantasy based ideas once it starts. And don’t get me started on gun pedantry or the idea we won’t stop all shootings so ergo gun control measures are futile. We’re trying to reduce and prevent. We’d love to eliminate of course too but reduction and prevention are the goal here.

there’s your media campaign in two sentences

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Dr. Matt  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:29:04am

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Stanley Sea  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:29:43am

re: #122 Aussie Apocalypse

Huntsmen: Scaring the tourists since Dampier.

They are like your little mice, right?

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makeitstop  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:29:46am

re: #203 HappyWarrior

And what happens when the shooter kills “good guy gun”, he gets more guns and ammo. Good guy gun will also make an already chaotic situation worse for LEO.

What happens when a ‘good guy’ tries taking out a shooter and accidentally kills a kid?

Do they get a pass because they’re the good guy? Who’s liable at that point?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:30:51am

re: #207 dangerman

there’s your media campaign in two sentences

We should be taking lessons from other countries rather than having an archaeic notion of guns that stems from an amendment that was passed when muskets were the most deadly weapon.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:31:09am

re: #210 makeitstop

What happens when a ‘good guy’ tries taking out a shooter and accidentally kills a kid?

Do they get a pass because they’re the good guy? Who’s liable at that point?

Also a valid question.

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:34:05am

re: #143 MsJ

As soon as I saw that 1) the woman was part of the Fox News universe, and 2) Roger Stone had advance notice, I knew it was a setup. Few agreed with me. We spent days here arguing over it. I found it enormously frustrating.

I agreed. I actually hit the wall by bringing up her career choices. Stopped commenting on it after that.

As liberals this will always be a problem though. I just hope we can get a better feel for what is really critical…keeping someone in office that may not be perfect and fighting for them or giving up and getting a Republican.

A Republican that will be protected at all costs and be bad for liberal causes because the right side of things do not really care what is actually right as far as personal behavior as long as they do the right’s bidding.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:36:01am

re: #203 HappyWarrior

And what happens when the shooter kills “good guy gun”, he gets more guns and ammo.

Bingo! Anyone who has played a shooter game knows this.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:37:12am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:37:57am

re: #214 Aussie Apocalypse

Bingo! Anyone who has played a shooter game knows this.

Yep.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:38:02am

re: #214 Aussie Apocalypse

Bingo! Anyone who has played a shooter game knows this.

I have been told that only Americans play violent video games. That’s why we’re so violent.

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makeitstop  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:38:52am

There seems to be an effort underway to get the Parkland Kids blue check marks. Good idea.

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nines09  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:41:26am
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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:42:42am

Conservative Rule of Law peeps. Uh huh.

“I think he should be pardoning anybody who’s been indicted and make it clear that anybody else who gets indicted would be pardoned immediately,” said Frederick Fleitz, a former CIA analyst and senior vice president at the conservative Center for Security Policy.

“It’s kind of cruel what’s going on right now and the president should put these defendants out of their misery,” said Larry Klayman, a conservative legal activist. “I think he should pardon everybody — and pardon himself.”

The former is terrifying. The latter is hysterical.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:45:04am
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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:45:57am

re: #152 JordanRules

Most people agreed with you and Belafon.
I believe me, BBD and GD Frank were on an island alone.

I was just suspicious as hell about it all. But it heated up around here so fast that we really couldn’t discuss it. Sometimes discussion/debate means you have to take an uncomfortable and awkward position that is really not your own thinking…but it is seen as your own and you get to own it and the actual discussion comes to an end because you lose the point having to scramble to explain yourself.

Politics and Religion.

And really anymore, a lot of stuff can’t be discussed as it should.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:46:02am

re: #220 MsJ

So basically they should all admit guilt?

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Aussie Apocalypse  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:47:12am

re: #220 MsJ

“I think he should be pardoning anybody who’s been indicted and make it clear that anybody else who gets indicted would be pardoned immediately,”

So, he is saying the indicted are guilty and should admit it.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:47:39am

re: #220 MsJ

Conservative Rule of Law peeps. Uh huh.

The former is terrifying. The latter is hysterical.

A president pardoning himself should automatically trigger removal from office. He’s admitting he broke the law.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:48:06am

re: #220 MsJ

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Conservative Rule of Law peeps. Uh huh.

The former is terrifying. The latter is hysterical.

I think Klayman really thinks pardons are a get out of any responsibility free card.

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makeitstop  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:48:26am
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Eventual Carrion  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:48:40am

re: #211 HappyWarrior

We should be taking lessons from other countries rather than having an archaeic notion of guns that stems from an amendment that was passed when muskets were the most deadly weapon.

The founding fathers wrote in that the whole 2nd amendment thing should be regulated by the government. It says so right in the amendment.

I can’t stand on the street corner yelling, “Fuck you you fucking fuckers!” at the top of my lungs at all passers by. The government (police) would arrest me, or at least detain me or silence me. Yet there is no mention on regulating free speech in the 1st amendment, but we seem to have no problem regulating it. The 2nd amendment states that this right needs regulation, yet we don’t really have much regulation.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:49:08am

re: #222 ObserverArt

I thought the discussion was generally fine here, as it is with most things.
It’s why I like this place.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:49:57am

re: #221 GlutenFreeJesus

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This isn’t a knee jerk reaction you lying son of a bitch, it’s a reaction to your callous indifference to victims of gun violence. Maybe if it was your kids that experienced this, you’d get the NRA tramp stamp to have removed.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:50:59am

re: #223 Eclectic Cyborg

So basically they should all admit guilt?

All so the conservatives can scream NO THEY DIDN’T!

The goal posts shift so much, they can’t stand on their own any longer. And it is going to be some kind of spectacular collapse.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:51:56am

The fall is often more glorious than the rise. Keep that in mind Trump co.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:52:45am

re: #227 makeitstop

I would love to see the calculations going on in Little Marco’s head right now.

NRA. GOP donor. NRA. GOP donor. A game of whiplash.

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makeitstop  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:54:12am

re: #233 MsJ

I would love to see the calculations going on in Little Marco’s head right now.

NRA. GOP donor. NRA. GOP donor. A game of whiplash.

He’s for sale to the highest bidder, the weasel.

(Apologies to weasels.)

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scottslemmons  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:54:23am

re: #230 HappyWarrior

This isn’t a knee jerk reaction you lying son of a bitch, it’s a reaction to your callous indifference to victims of gun violence. Maybe if it was your kids that experienced this, you’d get the NRA tramp stamp to have removed.

Pretty sure Paul Ryan will never turn against the NRA. He’s a pure sociopath, and you’ll never get him thinking about anything other than his wallet. Paul Ryan without the NRA is a significantly less wealthy Paul Ryan, and god knows we can’t have that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:54:37am

re: #233 MsJ

I would love to see the calculations going on in Little Marco’s head right now.

NRA. GOP donor. NRA. GOP donor. A game of whiplash.

I imagine he’ll do whatever he thinks would make him more palatable to GOP primary voters so he’ll choose the NRA.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:56:29am

re: #235 scottslemmons

Pretty sure Paul Ryan will never turn against the NRA. He’s a pure sociopath, and you’ll never get him thinking about anything other than his wallet. Paul Ryan without the NRA is a significantly less wealthy Paul Ryan, and god knows we can’t have that.

I disagree. Because he thinks of nothing but his wallet, if the NRA negatively affects his ability to continue to be a money grubbing sociopath, he will cut them loose faster than Usain Bolt on the 100m.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:57:52am

The NRA will never stop funding Republicans.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:59:04am

re: #238 Eclectic Cyborg

The NRA will never stop funding Republicans.

We need to help the NRA not have funding.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 19, 2018 • 7:59:15am

You know. I wonder how many of these assholes like Ryan/Rubio own guns, or have ever even fired one. Sure, there are many GOP “law”makers that brag about their guns but i can’t recall Ryan/Rubio/many others proving their NRA balls.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:03:19am

re: #171 HappyWarrior

They don’t want a FBI Director, they want a Trump enabler to obstruct any investigative activity directed Trumps way and to investigate HRC and Obama instead.

This.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:03:26am

re: #240 GlutenFreeJesus

Ryan has a known affinity for hunting.

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:03:54am

As far as the gun debate…when is someone in our media going to ask NRA types why what happens in other countries can’t happen here?

Take Australia for instance. What they did might be tried here in America. And the minute someone brings it up the pushback from the NRA types seems to be accepted without question.

How about asking back why they think it won’t work instead of just accepting the answer. Make them explain and make them give actual reason and support for the thinking.

When someone says we can’t stop selling AR type rifles ask them why not? Ask them to tell all of us why we can’t live without them as other countries do.

In so many debates everyone takes their positions and the media just goes around and reconfirms those positions instead of making people have to stand up and honestly defend.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:05:23am

re: #243 ObserverArt

As far as the gun debate…when is someone in our media going to ask NRA types why what happens in other countries can’t happen here?

Those countries are socialist hellholes. No discussion needed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:05:46am

re: #240 GlutenFreeJesus

You know. I wonder how many of these assholes like Ryan/Rubio own guns, or have ever even fired one. Sure, there are many GOP “law”makers that brag about their guns but i can’t recall Ryan/Rubio/many others proving their NRA balls.

Rubio I’m certain is a poseur.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:06:17am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:06:37am

re: #246 Belafon

Oh snap!

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:06:45am

re: #229 JordanRules

I thought the discussion was generally fine here, as it is with most things.
It’s why I like this place.

Agreed. But I bet a lot of people pulled back and didn’t even enter into it. I know I gave up.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:08:52am

I wonder the same though. That is how many right wing talking heads really know or have experience with guns. Full disclosure, I do not but my mom’s dad did and never treated guns like play things or bought NRA bs about the left being out for his guns.

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:09:52am

re: #238 Eclectic Cyborg

The NRA will never stop funding Republicans.

Never is such a big word.

I try to never use it.

Why? Because it never is fully true!

And really, if you think that is true, then you admit you already have given up.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:10:35am

re: #246 Belafon

CNN: The president dined with his children last night at his Mar-a-Lago club. Don Jr, Eric, and Lara Trump.

Should that not be SOME of his children?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:12:36am

re: #251 Aussie Apocalypse

Should that not be SOME of his children?

It is funny that we hear almost nothing of his relationship to his 11-year-old son. One would think that would be played up a lot to generate sympathy and identification. Not even any details, jut the fact that they spent time together doing something fatherly-sonly

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:14:52am

Not sure if I want to laugh or cry

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:14:54am

re: #252 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is funny that we hear almost nothing of his relationship to his 11-year-old son. One would think that would be played up a lot to generate sympathy and identification. Not even any details, jut the fact that they spent time together doing something fatherly-sonly

From what I’ve heard, his relationship with Barron is even more distant than with his older kids. I feel bad for Barron tbh. Only Trump I do.

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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:16:50am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

Rubio I’m certain is a poseur.

he said on the radio this am he owns guns

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:17:01am

Talk about harshing the buzz.

I keep coming back the slapdash nature of Trump’s 2016 operation, and the chaos and dysfunction that everyone who covered that campaign saw play out each day. Like the Trump White House, the Trump campaign was a viper’s nest of incompetence and intrigue, with aides leaking viciously against one another almost daily. So much damaging information poured out of Trump Tower that it’s hard to believe a conspiracy to collude with Moscow to win the election never went public. If there was such a conspiracy, it must have been a very closely guarded secret.

Then there’s the Trump factor to consider. Here’s a man who seems to share every thought that enters his head, almost as soon as he enters it. He loves nothing more than to brag about himself, and he’s proven remarkably indiscreet in the phone calls he makes with “friends” during his Executive Time—friends who promptly share the contents of those conversations with D.C. reporters. If Trump had cooked up a scheme to provide some favor to Putin in exchange for his election, wouldn’t he be tempted to boast about it to someone?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:18:03am

re: #255 dangerman

he said on the radio this am he owns guns

Ah. Well he’s always struck me as one tbh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:18:22am

re: #255 dangerman

he said on the radio this am he owns guns

This is already being framed as a gun vs. anti-gun debate.

That is not it at all, and we must not let them control that narrative.

It is about controlling access to certain types of guns and ammunition.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:18:59am

re: #248 ObserverArt

Agreed. But I bet a lot of people pulled back and didn’t even enter into it. I know I gave up.

I did. I shut myself down completely at the end. After they won and Dems like Gillibrand decided that Franken wasn’t going to get the investigation he welcomed, discussion was pointless.

I think I watched dog videos for a couple of days. Maybe curling.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:19:10am

re: #258 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is already being framed as a gun vs. anti-gun debate.

That is not it at all, and we must not let them control that narrative.

It is about controlling access to certain types of guns and ammunition.

It’s akwats framed that way unfortunately.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:19:25am

re: #250 ObserverArt

Never is such a big word.

I try to never use it.

Why? Because it never is fully true!

And really, if you think that is true, then you admit you already have given up.

I see what you did there. :-D

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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:19:26am

ot - presidential rankings - not doing too well - you gotta go way down to the last one to see it

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makeitstop  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:20:29am

re: #252 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is funny that we hear almost nothing of his relationship to his 11-year-old son. One would think that would be played up a lot to generate sympathy and identification. Not even any details, jut the fact that they spent time together doing something fatherly-sonly

Hey, Barron’s cuter than Trump, and he’d divert attention away from the guy who’s really important here.

It sucks that this is the reality of the situation, but it’s true. Preznit Baby is really that petty.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:21:14am

re: #115 Targetpractice

There’s a special level in Hell for Roger Stone:

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As I said all along—that was a Roger Stone Ratfucking Operation that took out Al Franken.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:22:05am

re: #253 I Would Prefer Not To

Not sure if I want to laugh or cry

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That plays into what I’ve said before. I went to a poor elementary school in the 70s where all of the doors opened to the outside, and we never once had a shooter.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:23:02am

re: #256 MsJ

If Trump had cooked up a scheme to provide some favor to Putin in exchange for his election, wouldn’t he be tempted to boast about it to someone?

THIS ELECTION IS RIGGED, FOLKS. IT’S RIGGED. BUHLEEVE ME, IT’S RIGGED.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:23:09am

re: #256 MsJ

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Talk about harshing the buzz.

Except the idiots haven’t been secret about it. We know Sessions lied. Dumbfuck Junior tweeted out emails that show he knew he was conspiring with Russian operatives to find dirt on Hillary. We know policy towards Crimea was changed.

I mean, these guys are fucking dopes, and they have been pretty open about what has transpired thus far.

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gocart mozart  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:26:44am
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makeitstop  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:27:56am

re: #256 MsJ

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Talk about harshing the buzz.

Yeah, but parts of what he’s claiming hasn’t happened has happened. Junior’s meeting with the Russians at Trump Tower has leaked and is common knowledge now. Trump did brag about firing Comey to the Russian ambassador, specifically because it would ‘take the pressure off’ regarding his collusion.

It sounds like the only thing that would convince this ‘skeptic’ is everybody just coming right out and admitting everything. And that isn’t going to happen.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:32:23am

re: #263 makeitstop

Hey, Barron’s cuter than Trump, and he’d divert attention away from the guy who’s really important here.

It sucks that this is the reality of the situation, but it’s true. Preznit Baby is really that petty.

It is just funny: they do not even need to show a lot of photos, but I have never read any reports of any indication of him spending any sort of father-son time with his 11-year-old. My son is 11, and although he lives several hours away across the border in France with his mom, I look forward to every opportunity I get to spend time with him.

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Skip Intro  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:37:38am

re: #29 jaunte

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The president is not a man.

The Trump’s have farmed their son out to Melon’s relatives. He just gets in the way.

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lizardofid  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:37:47am

re: #258 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is already being framed as a gun vs. anti-gun debate.

That is not it at all, and we must not let them control that narrative.

It is about controlling access to certain types of guns and ammunition.

Yes. And legislative changes don’t have to “stop these shootings from ever happening again” to be worthwhile. Our goal must be to begin to turn the tide.

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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:39:49am

re: #262 dangerman

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i left out the cite - its from the NYT

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:40:33am

re: #258 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is already being framed as a gun vs. anti-gun debate.

That is not it at all, and we must not let them control that narrative.

It is about controlling access to certain types of guns and ammunition.

Well, they could have done something about shootings earlier and prevented it from getting this far. WE ALL KNEW that inaction would leave to an overreaction. It’s on them to make the reaction “reasonable”, not us, and not the kids who have lived through these experiences.

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Skip Intro  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:40:42am

re: #35 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump doesn’t read and doesn’t listen to briefings. The only way he knows anything, as flawed as it may be, outside his immediate observations is through television.

The middle-aged and simple-minded Chance Donald lives in the townwhitehouse of an old, wealthy man in Washington, D.C. He has spent his whole life tending the garden grifting suckers and has never left the property. Other than gardening grifting, his knowledge is derived entirely from what he sees on television.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:42:24am

re: #269 makeitstop

Yeah, but parts of what he’s claiming hasn’t happened has happened. Junior’s meeting with the Russians at Trump Tower has leaked and is common knowledge now. Trump did brag about firing Comey to the Russian ambassador, specifically because it would ‘take the pressure off’ regarding his collusion.

It sounds like the only thing that would convince this ‘skeptic’ is everybody just coming right out and admitting everything. And that isn’t going to happen.

It was just rationalized or ignored or their lame excuses were taken at the time at face values, whereas their after-the-fact admissions of what happened were ignored

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:43:31am

re: #275 Skip Intro

The middle-aged and simple-minded Chance Donald lives in the townwhitehouse of an old, wealthy man in Washington, D.C. He has spent his whole life tending the garden grifting suckers and has never left the property. Other than gardening grifting, his knowledge is derived entirely from what he sees on television.

Being There is all that counts

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:43:57am

re: #255 dangerman

he said on the radio this am he owns guns

Sure. They are all still in their packages never used and sitting in a storage facility somewhere. But, he owns them.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:45:34am

re: #269 makeitstop

Yeah, but parts of what he’s claiming hasn’t happened has happened. Junior’s meeting with the Russians at Trump Tower has leaked and is common knowledge now. Trump did brag about firing Comey to the Russian ambassador, specifically because it would ‘take the pressure off’ regarding his collusion.

It sounds like the only thing that would convince this ‘skeptic’ is everybody just coming right out and admitting everything. And that isn’t going to happen.

That was my take, too. Especially the ever changing “Russian meeting was about adoption, etc., etc., etc.” I was disappointed to see this from @KFILE, though.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:45:43am

re: #270 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is just funny: they do not even need to show a lot of photos, but I have never read any reports of any indication of him spending any sort of father-son time with his 11-year-old. My son is 11, and although he lives several hours away across the border in France with his mom, I look forward to every opportunity I get to spend time with him.

Right, and there’s no logical reason why a “dysfunctional and chaotic” campaign would be incapable of collusion. Quite the opposite, I would think.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:47:12am

re: #280 Barefoot Grin

Right, and there’s no logical reason why a “dysfunctional and chaotic” campaign would be incapable of collusion. Quite the opposite, I would think.

The term in Mueller’s indictment was “unwitting members of the Trump campaign”.

or did he mean “witless”?

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:52:07am
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:52:18am

re: #281 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The term in Mueller’s indictment was “unwitting members of the Trump campaign”.

or did he mean “witless”?

[cut to image of Don, Jr. seated on tree stump, posing for Rodin….]

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I cannot.  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:52:23am

re: #281 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The term in Mueller’s indictment was “unwitting members of the Trump campaign”.

or did he mean “witless”?

Unwitting and witless are not mutually exclusive.

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Skip Intro  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:53:32am

re: #166 Belafon

“If we can fire Wray, then we can get someone who will force the FBI to stop investigating Trump.” They have no understanding how FBI, Justice, or the Mueller investigation work or work together.

Wouldn’t it be a whole lot simpler to just fire Trump? He’s the totally corrupt asshole who has no idea how to do his job.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:54:15am

re: #279 MsJ

It’s also an interesting “defense”: these guys are too stupid, narcissistic, incompetent vainglorious, greedy, etc. to have conspired with the Russians.

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scottslemmons  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:55:05am

Trump begged the Russians for Hillary’s emails during the campaign. He did it in public.

His contacts and business dealings with Russia have been well-known, and their eagerness to have him run, and his support of Russia since taking office are gigantic red flags. Anyone pretending there’s no collusion or conspiracy has a bad definition of both words.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:56:31am

re: #287 scottslemmons

Trump begged the Russians for Hillary’s emails during the campaign. He did it in public.

His contacts and business dealings with Russia have been well-known, and their eagerness to have him run, and his support of Russia since taking office are gigantic red flags. Anyone pretending there’s no collusion or conspiracy has a bad definition of both words.

again, all the obvious warning signs and red flags were ignored or rationalized away

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:58:22am

re: #256 MsJ

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Talk about harshing the buzz.

And I think that is what he (Blake Hounshell) is attempting to do.

Trump is smart enough to know not to blurt out someone helped him. Plus his arrogance would never allow him to admit he had any help, especially if it questionable or illegal help.

How often has Trump blurted out about anything he has done wrong? How much has he talked about any of his business failings? He doesn’t. And if he does, he talks about only about how great a businessman he is.

Sorry. Not buying today. And it is Politico…referred to as Tiger Beat on the Potomac.

Link to the Charlie Pierce article in 2014 that brought about that designation.

Esquire - Tiger Beat on the Potomac Finally Crosses Over

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:58:29am

re: #242 Eclectic Cyborg

What. No AR-15?! Poser.

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Skip Intro  Feb 19, 2018 • 8:59:22am

re: #228 Eventual Carrion

The founding fathers wrote in that the whole 2nd amendment thing should be regulated by the government. It says so right in the amendment.

I can’t stand on the street corner yelling, “Fuck you you fucking fuckers!” at the top of my lungs at all passers by. The government (police) would arrest me, or at least detain me or silence me. Yet there is no mention on regulating free speech in the 1st amendment, but we seem to have no problem regulating it. The 2nd amendment states that this right needs regulation, yet we don’t really have much regulation.

The Supreme Court decided otherwise.

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), is a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held, in a 5-4 decision, that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, and that Washington, D.C.’s handgun ban and requirement that lawfully-owned rifles and shotguns be kept “unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock” violated this guarantee. Due to Washington, D.C.’s special status as a federal district, the decision did not address the question of whether the Second Amendment’s protections are incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment against the states,[1] which was addressed two years later by McDonald v. City of Chicago (2010) in which it was found that they are. It was the first Supreme Court case to decide whether the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense.[2]

On June 26, 2008, the Supreme Court affirmed the Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit in Heller v. District of Columbia.[3][4] The Supreme Court struck down provisions of the Firearms Control Regulations Act of 1975 as unconstitutional, determined that handguns are “arms” for the purposes of the Second Amendment, found that the Regulations Act was an unconstitutional ban, and struck down the portion of the Regulations Act that requires all firearms including rifles and shotguns be kept “unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock”. Prior to this decision the Firearms Control Regulation Act of 1975 also restricted residents from owning handguns except for those registered prior to 1975.

The majority opinion, written by Justice Antonin Scalia, and the primary dissenting opinion, written by Justice John Paul Stevens, are considered examples of the application of originalism in practice - Wiki

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:01:03am

re: #288 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, all the obvious warning signs and red flags were ignored or rationalized away

We were warned…but many disregarded the warning due to the messenger (Hillary).

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sagehen  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:02:00am

re: #262 dangerman

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Wow.

Is this the first time anybody’s ever ranked below Buchanan?

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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:04:55am

re: #282 MsJ

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real time social media of the event as it unfolded

articulate and pissed off targets / survivors

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:08:03am

re: #217 Belafon

I have been told that only Americans play violent video games. That’s why we’re so violent.

**snork**

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:09:14am
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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:10:11am

re: #294 dangerman

real time social media of the event as it unfolded

articulate and pissed off targets / survivors

Spot on. The combination of the two (live action video - along with tearful text messages where these children didn’t know if their siblings were alive or if they would ever see their parents again) and their being somewhat affluent and eloquent.

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sagehen  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:10:46am

re: #288 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, all the obvious warning signs and red flags were ignored or rationalized away

Trump to Clinton: ‘No, You’re the Puppet’

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:11:16am
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Eventual Carrion  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:13:38am

re: #291 Skip Intro

The Supreme Court decided otherwise.

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The Supreme court also decide for Citizens United that money is speech and bribery of officials is legal.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:14:04am

re: #296 JordanRules

That is something that bothers Trump exactly zero.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:16:37am

re: #243 ObserverArt

How about asking back why they think it won’t work instead of just accepting the answer. Make them explain and make them give actual reason and support for the thinking.

When someone says we can’t stop selling AR type rifles ask them why not? Ask them to tell all of us why we can’t live without them as other countries do.

They pro-gun folx are absolute freedom. They don’t need a reason and they don’t care. If there are any restrictions all freedumb is lost.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:16:54am

re: #301 Belafon

No doubt. Didn’t even think about him when I read it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:16:58am

Trump told us that neither the media nor the public had any interest in seeing his tax returns and he was not taken to task over it.

I still consider that his greatest political coup.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:18:13am

re: #296 JordanRules

At some point American warlordism and the presence of so many AR-15s in the hands of God knows who is going to impact tourism to the U.S. and reduce the number of foreign students willing to come here. People around the world have other choices where there aren’t guns everywhere.

America has already lost the equivalent of some 40K jobs in tourism since DT became President and I suspect that number will continue to rise as there are more shootings on a regular basis

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:18:27am

re: #279 MsJ

That was my take, too. Especially the ever changing “Russian meeting was about adoption, etc., etc., etc.” I was disappointed to see this from @KFILE, though.

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Put the Twitter Machine down MsJ…you are letting “them” get to you. I go by what feels right. And nothing about what Trump has done feels right in the slightest. You have to trust your instincts.

Check your sources too. Andrew Kaczynski could be protecting Trump.I think he is a both-sider and likes to stir stuff up. It got him his job.

I went to Wiki to make sure…just a couple quick finds there:

He was described as “the [2012] Republican primaries’ most influential amateur opposition researcher”.[4]

He has worked as an intern for the Republican National Committee[9] and was an intern in 2011 in the office of Congressman Bob Turner.[4]

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:18:34am

Trump…from disaster to disaster…with golf in between.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:20:06am

Meanwhile in an alternate universe…

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:22:58am

re: #306 ObserverArt

Put the Twitter Machine down MsJ…you are letting “them” get to you. I go by what feels right. And nothing about what Trump has done feels right in the slightest. You have to trust your instincts. I

Check your sources too. Andrew Kaczynski could be protecting Trump.I think he is a both-sider and likes to stir stuff up. It got him his job.

I went to Wiki to make sure…just a couple quick finds there:

What’s scary is these new alliances are going to go to shit when a new Republican is running. Which is going to make paying close attention that much more important.

And we collectively have ADD.

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plansbandc  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:25:40am

re: #279 MsJ

Thank you for pointing out these “journalists”. I have happily blocked them.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:26:09am
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makeitstop  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:27:41am

re: #311 JordanRules

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I’m beginning to think these kids have already landed an agent. Savvy, indeed.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:31:47am

re: #312 makeitstop

I’m surprised Marco eventually accepted the invite. Initially it was only Nelson.
I expect a lot of adult-splaining bullshit from Marco.

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:34:06am

re: #289 ObserverArt

Esquire - Tiger Beat on the Potomac Finally Crosses Over

I just reread that article, which came to my attention when BeachDem mentioned it.

I suggest everyone read it again, or for the first time. Charlie Pierce really understands politics and political journalism and the history of what was good and bad.

It really really explains so much of what is going on with the coverage we do and don’t get.

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makeitstop  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:34:59am

re: #313 JordanRules

I’m surprised Marco eventually accepted the invite. Initially it was only Nelson.
I expect a lot of adult-splaining bullshit from Marco.

Over-under on whether the kids make him
a) cry
b) pull rank
c) get up and leave

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:36:42am

re: #315 makeitstop

Over-under on whether the kids make him
a) cry
b) pull rank
c) get up and leave

I can’t wait for a bunch of kids who’ve just taken government to explain to Rubio why b will not work.

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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:36:51am

re: #296 JordanRules

At some point American warlordism and the presence of so many AR-15s in the hands of God knows who is going to impact tourism to the U.S. and reduce the number of foreign students willing to come here. People around the world have other choices where there aren’t guns everywhere.

already happening
and some will/would say feature not bug

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:37:45am

re: #312 makeitstop

I’m beginning to think these kids have already landed an agent. Savvy, indeed.

I would imagine lawyers and agents, PR folks, backers, etc. are all jumping on this one.

I just hope they don’t turn it into a circus and snuff it all out by just going for the hits because it is a big story.

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Jay C  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:37:54am

re: #262 dangerman

ot - presidential rankings - not doing too well - you gotta go way down to the last one to see it

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In the Big White House In The Sky, I can imagine Andy Johnson, Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan celebrating President’s Day by raising a jug or two in appreciation of FINALLY getting to -eventually -
move off the bottom slot.

And when Trump eventually gets there, he’ll probably - a la Nixon - be cursed to eternally wander the halls talking to the portraits: all of which will no doubt yell at him “Asshole!” “Failure!” “Loser”…

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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:41:13am

re: #311 JordanRules

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rubio’s gonna ‘splain again why they arent assault weapons
then offer nothing substantive otherwise

20 minutes on the radio this morning and not one solid suggestion

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:42:27am
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:47:59am

re: #321 Ace-o-aces

I just noticed on Dump’s stupid twitter banner where he’s going “thumbs up” like he opened a used car lot, his eyes are closed lol.

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Interesting Times  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:48:00am

re: #296 JordanRules

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I visited the US in 2013, 2014, and 2015, and each time, gun violence was definitely a worry at the back of my mind. Now, when you add a far greater version of that worry to additional fear of jackboot-thug border guards and emboldened alt-right racists? Yeah, no. No tourist dollars from me :/

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:48:14am

The only credit I’d give to the skeptics’ arguments about Trump is that I believe Trump would probably sue someone for claiming that he won a golf game by cheating. The mulligans, dropped strokes, five-foot gimmes, are just the way he plays the game to Trump. And even that implies not that his campaign is free of corruption, but that Trump is too morally bankrupt to even recognize it.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:48:31am

Hmmm…

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:49:13am

re: #323 Interesting Times

I visited the US in 2013, 2014, and 2015, and each time, gun violence was definitely a worry at the back of my mind. Now, when you add a far greater version of that worry to additional fear of jackboot-thug border guards and emboldened alt-right racists? Yeah, no. No tourist dollars from me :/

While I completely understand, this saddens me beyond words.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:50:36am

re: #321 Ace-o-aces

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I don’t need a special day to reflect on what a shitbox of an individual currently occupies the WH.

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wrenchwench  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:54:37am

I saw the couple who has been married 52 or 53 years (didn’t ask if they’d gotten that one sorted out), and said, ‘It’s some kind of holiday today.’ They said, in unison again, ‘Presidents Day.’ Then he continued, ‘I don’t know if they’re going to pick up the garbage today or not. We put it out, anyway, just in case.’ I said, ‘Ah, the celebratory Presidents Day Garbage.’ They sort of laughed, I think.

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Interesting Times  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:56:33am

re: #326 MsJ

While I completely understand, this saddens me beyond words.

Me too. Sometimes, looking at what’s become of the US is like watching a close friend trapped in a relationship with an abusive, horrid, good-for-nothing lout and realizing there’s nothing you can do to help.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:57:51am

re: #328 wrenchwench

I saw the couple who has been married 52 or 53 years (didn’t ask if they’d gotten that one sorted out), and said, ‘It’s some kind of holiday today.’ They said, in unison again, ‘Presidents Day.’ Then he continued, ‘I don’t know if they’re going to pick up the garbage today or not. We put it out, anyway, just in case.’ I said, ‘Ah, the celebratory Presidents Day Garbage.’ They sort of laughed, I think.

In my area, garbage doesn’t observe federal holidays. They only days they have to change schedules are Thanksgiving and Christmas.

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makeitstop  Feb 19, 2018 • 9:58:48am

It’s spreading. This is the NRA’s worst nightmare.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:00:18am

re: #331 makeitstop

It’s spreading. This is the NRA’s worst nightmare.

They fucked with the wrong group of people. Teenagers with Internet skills influencing politics…IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY!!!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:00:41am

The Page I wrote the other day seems to be picking up steam. I’m just egotistical enough to be impressed. I’m curious what people are saying about it.

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plansbandc  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:03:07am

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Interesting Times  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:03:26am

re: #332 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They fucked with the wrong group of people. Teenagers with Internet skills influencing politics…IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY!!!

Add to that the fact the NRA is in deep 💩 over this, and maybe, just maybe, this might be the year they go down in flames.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:04:35am

One reason the AR-15 is so popular is that it is so profitable for the manufacturers. It is basically a 350 dollar gun, but typically sells for twice that or more. Like its earlier Soviet counterpart, the AK-47, it was designed for mass production. It is not the precision instrument its many worshipers seem to assume, nor was it meant to be.

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Skip Intro  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:05:35am

re: #321 Ace-o-aces

Why Ivanka? She’s as big an asshole as he is.

I’m sure staff has access to his Twitter account.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:06:39am

re: #329 Interesting Times

Me too. Sometimes, looking at what’s become of the US is like watching a close friend trapped in a relationship with an abusive, horrid, good-for-nothing lout and realizing there’s nothing you can do to help.

Which is pretty much how most of America feels.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:07:58am

re: #337 Skip Intro

Because she pretends better.

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Swampwitch  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:08:19am

re: #334 plansbandc

You scared me there for a minute.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:08:22am

re: #339 JordanRules

She is also staff.

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Jay C  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:09:54am

re: #338 MsJ

Which is pretty much how most of America feels.

Except, of course, for that percentage who are gleefully pleased to be able to act the “abusive lout” without getting any criticism (still less substantive action) for it.

In a sane world, this percentage would down to the “margin-of-error” levels, but unfortunately, we aren’t that lucky.

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Skip Intro  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:10:00am

re: #341 JordanRules

She is also staff.

No she isn’t. She’s royalty.

Anyway, isn’t she on vacation again, at the Olympics?

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:10:01am

re: #338 MsJ

Which is pretty much how most of America feels.

The problem, though, is we’re in the relationship, but too many feel like there’s nothing they can do, because they’re worried about what it would be like being out of the relationship.

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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:11:12am

re: #336 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

One reason the AR-15 is so popular is that it is so profitable for the manufacturers. It is basically a 350 dollar gun, but typically sells for twice that or more. Like its earlier Soviet counterpart, the AK-47, it was designed for mass production. It is not the precision instrument its many worshipers seem to assume, nor was it meant to be.

rubio said this AM that its also popular because its small and easy to handle and concealable - just throw it in a bag. as opposed to say a “deer rifle” that is more powerful and can fire just as fast but is harder to conceal

but its not an assault rifle

all his words

totally tone deaf

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:12:24am

My Senator! I hope she doesn’t post any spoilers. I haven’t seen it yet!

Facebook Post

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:12:44am

re: #335 Interesting Times

Add to that the fact the NRA is in deep 💩 over this, and maybe, just maybe, this might be the year they go down in flames.

These young people are putting a very human face on the issue of gun control, something that has been missing up to now…the NRA was always in control of the narrative and now they are losing it to a bunch of Internet-savvy teens.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:13:20am

re: #342 Jay C

Except, of course, for that percentage who are gleefully pleased to be able to act the “abusive lout” without getting any criticism (still less substantive action) for it.

In a sane world, this percentage would down to the “margin-of-error” levels, but unfortunately, we aren’t that lucky.

It never will get to the MOE level. There have and, unfortunately, will always be “those” people; Neo Nazis, racists, misogynists, anyone who hates, anyone who can’t deal with rejection and needs someone to blame for their own shortcomings, people who cannot accept a changing world and would prefer bullshit to reality. If we can keep it to 27% and continue to marginalize them at every turn, that is the best we can hope for.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:14:47am

re: #344 Belafon

The problem, though, is we’re in the relationship, but too many feel like there’s nothing they can do, because they’re worried about what it would be like being out of the relationship.

I wish we could nationalize the ONE-VOTE in Virginia to show what one person has the power to do.

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MsJ  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:15:39am

re: #345 dangerman

rubio said this AM that its also popular because its small and easy to handle and concealable - just throw it in a bag. as opposed to say a “deer rifle” that is more powerful and can fire just as fast but is harder to conceal

but its not an assault rifle

all his words

totally tone deaf

If he does that with these kids, they will fillet him, live on CNN…they will eat him alive.

I might have to watch that.

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VegasGolfer  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:16:15am

re: #195 ObserverArt

My DirecTV Now package came with the Fire TV wifi device…not the Firestick. It has the vocal recognition feature that so far works pretty good. You just say what channel you want and it switches. I haven’t used it a bunch yet, still getting used to the whole thing.

Do you guys get any buffering problems? Seriously thinking of going this route in my new place.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:21:02am

re: #343 Skip Intro

Not to me she’s not. On the other hand, she is officially on staff as an advisor unfortunately. This is important to remember as we try to absorb her into indictments too.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:25:54am
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Stanley Sea  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:26:40am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:27:39am

re: #345 dangerman

rubio said this AM that its also popular because its small and easy to handle and concealable - just throw it in a bag. as opposed to say a “deer rifle” that is more powerful and can fire just as fast but is harder to conceal

but its not an assault rifle

all his words

totally tone deaf

I don’t know about anybody else, but when I think ‘deer rifle’, I think of something like a Winchester Model 70 - a highly accurate bolt action rifle with no detachable magazine. Usually with a beautiful walnut stock. I don’t think of a semiautomatic with a detachable magazine chambered in .223 with a plastic stock.

So, to my mind, a ‘deer rifle’ is NOT as fast to fire, by a country mile.

The AR15 is such an obvious choice for this kind of mayhem, because it doesn’t need to be accurate. It’s more accurate than a handgun, more readily available, and can hold a lot more rounds.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:29:28am

re: #354 Stanley Sea

CNN: Pentagon May Solicit Donations For Trump’s Military Parade

We often said in the 60s that the country would be on the right track when the schools were fully appropriated and the Air Force was holding bake sales.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:29:42am

re: #353 Charles Johnson

That account is a firehose of insanity.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:30:12am

re: #354 Stanley Sea

Bake sales!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:30:59am

re: #351 VegasGolfer

Do you guys get any buffering problems? Seriously thinking of going this route in my new place.

If you go to their web site, it starts streaming video immediately. You should see right away if your connection is too slow.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:31:40am

re: #356 Decatur Deb

We often said in the 60s that the country would be on the right track when the schools were fully appropriated and the Air Force was holding bake sales.

except our schools are not at all fully appropriated

this is the Pentagon’s form of saluting and saying “yes, sir” while quietly flipping the CinC the finger over his ridiculous parade plans

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Decatur Deb  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:32:17am

re: #358 Belafon

Bake sales!

Faster, Grasshopper.

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retired cynic  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:34:07am

re: #184 JordanRules

His tweet seems a little more unbothered than 45.

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He didn’t capitalize The Family.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:35:05am

re: #351 VegasGolfer

Do you guys get any buffering problems? Seriously thinking of going this route in my new place.

I have some buffering issues with DirecTV Now when I am watching through their app. When I use another network app (WatchESPN, NBC, etc.), I don’t have issues.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:35:53am

Betty Cracker over at Balloon Juice makes a good catch: John Kasich has changed his campaign website from “Absolute 2nd Amendment” to “Common Sense on the 2nd Amendment”. Weather vane has turned.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:36:53am
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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:39:25am
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Kragar  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:41:11am
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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:41:41am

re: #350 MsJ

If he does that with these kids, they will fillet him, live on CNN…they will eat him alive.

I might have to watch that.

“my friends are still dead no matter what you call the gun”

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:46:19am

!!!!!!!!!

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Dave In Austin  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:46:47am

Anyone want to say HPD to ol’ Roger Dodger???

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:47:28am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:47:49am

re: #368 dangerman

“my friends are still dead no matter what you call the gun”

Yep. That’s why I don’t like gun pedantic bs.

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lizardofid  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:48:23am

re: #350 MsJ

If he does that with these kids, they will fillet him, live on CNN…they will eat him alive.

I might have to watch that.

“rubio said this AM that its also popular because its small and easy to handle and concealable - just throw it in a bag. as opposed to say a “deer rifle” that is more powerful and can fire just as fast but is harder to conceal”

So concealable an Uber driver will cheerfully drop you off in front of a school?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:48:29am

re: #371 JordanRules

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Damn good question. Fuck the nra.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:49:49am
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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:50:12am

re: #371 JordanRules

How many Republicans are contemplating bumping the voting age back up to 21?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:51:12am

re: #375 Charles Johnson

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Yawn. GFY Ari.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:51:52am

re: #376 Belafon

How many Republicans are contemplating bumping the voting age back up to 21?

The 12 year olds won’t be voting until 2026. That’s a whole lot of elections where new voters paying attention to politics will finally be voting.

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Kragar  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:51:59am
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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:53:18am

re: #376 Belafon

Whoa! Crazy but so are they. I bet at least one “think tank” is working on a position paper.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:55:34am

It has been sadly gratifying to watch how the last few days have played out in the media, since the Parkland shooting.

We often say that, once America saw 20 first graders killed and did nothing, that the choice had been made, that sacrificing children on the altar of the gun was now acceptable. But now it feels like something’s happening, like maybe this time is different.

The difference? First graders can’t speak out, can’t organize, can’t articulate what’s wrong with the gun culture. Their parents are suspect, because they’re probably Democrats.

But High School students are close enough to adults to be effective at speaking out, at getting people to listen. And they’re miles ahead of us on Social Media.

Look for wingnut blogs to ramp up the attacks on these kids, questioning whether they even attend that school, questioning their sexuality (like that matters), questioning whether they’re paid.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:55:41am

re: #375 Charles Johnson

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The $1.25 million a month by the Russians is just the money that Mueller has told us about to date, we have no idea how much they really spent.

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allegro  Feb 19, 2018 • 10:59:57am

re: #382 bill d. (b.d.)

The $1.25 million a month by the Russians is just the money that Mueller has told us about to date, we have no idea how much they really spent.

It also ignores how many RWNJs and Berniebros were working for them for free by spreading their propaganda 24/7 fucking everywhere.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:01:50am

re: #383 allegro

It also ignores how many RWNJs and Berniebros were working for them for free by spreading their propaganda 24/7 fucking everywhere.

Yep. It’s not a drop in the ocean despite what Ari wants to claim.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:01:59am

re: #382 bill d. (b.d.)

The $1.25 million a month by the Russians is just the money that Mueller has told us about to date, we have no idea how much they really spent.

And of course Fleischer focuses on ad buys, not on posts on FB and Twitter, which cost almost nothing - just the time to put together a stupid, poorly worded meme your wingnut uncle will like and share.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:02:30am

re: #379 Kragar

“I can make up numbers that make you feel good.”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:03:53am

re: #375 Charles Johnson

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:05:31am

re: #379 Kragar

This is so far removed from reality that it’s breathtaking. Till you see it’s Dan Bidondi.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:08:18am

re: #387 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Ari Fleischer

@AriFleischer
Russians spent $46,000 on Facebook prior to the election. Hillary and Trump spent $81 million. We should punish Russia because the right amount they should spend is zero. But a little perspective is helpful. Russia influenced the election the same way a drop influences an ocean.



Jeff Furlington
@FurlingtonJeff
It’s horrifying to watch Republicans minimize this and deflect from it, rather than rooting out the traitors among us who worked with the Russians to strike at America by making a clown President. The whole party seems to be hopelessly corrupt.
1:03 PM - Feb 19, 2018

True that. The whole Washington Republican party — House and Senate both — are totally on board with Putin. Maybe Flake occasionally speaks out — but has he actually denounced the Russians, instead of just criticizing Trump’s non-Presidential behavior.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:12:26am

re: #369 JordanRules

Hearing that Iowa City area high school students are planning walkouts and peaceful protests today, amid rainy and cold weather. Will keep updated.

cue right-wing pundits snarking about how those students are just too lazy to want to study and attend classes and get an education

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Mike Lamb  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:12:39am

re: #379 Kragar

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giphy.com

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calochortus  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:13:13am

re: #381 Blind Frog Belly White

It has been sadly gratifying to watch how the last few days have played out in the media, since the Parkland shooting.

We often say that, once America saw 20 first graders killed and did nothing, that the choice had been made, that sacrificing children on the altar of the gun was now acceptable. But now it feels like something’s happening, like maybe this time is different.

The difference? First graders can’t speak out, can’t organize, can’t articulate what’s wrong with the gun culture. Their parents are suspect, because they’re probably Democrats.

But High School students are close enough to adults to be effective at speaking out, at getting people to listen. And they’re miles ahead of us on Social Media.

Look for wingnut blogs to ramp up the attacks on these kids, questioning whether they even attend that school, questioning their sexuality (like that matters), questioning whether they’re paid.

This is exactly what I’ve been saying to Mr. C.

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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:13:38am

re: #370 Dave In Austin

Anyone want to say HPD to ol’ Roger Dodger???

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“today we celebrate all the past presidents”

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Kragar  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:14:47am
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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:15:02am

re: #373 lizardofid

“rubio said this AM that its also popular because its small and easy to handle and concealable - just throw it in a bag. as opposed to say a “deer rifle” that is more powerful and can fire just as fast but is harder to conceal”

So concealable an Uber driver will cheerfully drop you off in front of a school?

as i was listening i wondered if he had any idea what he was implying

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:16:00am

re: #394 Kragar

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Yawn. Coward.

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KGxvi  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:16:32am

re: #376 Belafon

How many Republicans are contemplating bumping the voting age back up to 21?

two-thirds of both Houses of Congress and three-quarters of the states. Not going to happen.

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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:19:22am

re: #381 Blind Frog Belly White

It has been sadly gratifying to watch how the last few days have played out in the media, since the Parkland shooting.

We often say that, once America saw 20 first graders killed and did nothing, that the choice had been made, that sacrificing children on the altar of the gun was now acceptable. But now it feels like something’s happening, like maybe this time is different.

The difference? First graders can’t speak out, can’t organize, can’t articulate what’s wrong with the gun culture. Their parents are suspect, because they’re probably Democrats.

But High School students are close enough to adults to be effective at speaking out, at getting people to listen. And they’re miles ahead of us on Social Media.

Look for wingnut blogs to ramp up the attacks on these kids, questioning whether they even attend that school, questioning their sexuality (like that matters), questioning whether they’re paid.

some had the presence of mind to video while it was happening

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:20:30am
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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:20:41am

re: #375 Charles Johnson

Notice how Ari Fleischer focuses on the $46K Facebook ad buy, and ignores that the Russian influence operation had a total budget of $1.25 MILLION PER MONTH.

ari, no one said the meddling was in buying ads

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:22:14am

re: #400 dangerman

ari, no one said the meddling was in buying ads

all distraction.

Russian meddling is not illegal

American citizens actively colluding with Russian meddling is another matter

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:23:16am

re: #401 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

all distraction.

Russian meddling is not illegal

American citizens actively colluding with Russian meddling is another matter

Don’t the indictments say otherwise?

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KGxvi  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:23:34am

re: #399 JordanRules

I actually liked her rendition. Kinda reminded me of this:

Marvin Gaye sings American National Anthem

Which has recently been elevated into the discussion of best performances of the song.

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allegro  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:25:16am

re: #376 Belafon

How many Republicans are contemplating bumping the voting age back up to 21?

I was just thinking about that. Not changing it now but how it got changed from 21 in the first place - kids did it (with adult support of course but). Kids have the power to make huge changes in our country as proven by the 60s. Kids got us out of Nam, changed the voting age to 18, stopped the draft. I am so excited to see this mobilization again. I’ve been waiting for it. So very sad to see what caused it - essentially bringing Nam home into our schools - but excited to seeing the kids saying “NO MORE!”. I think it will go beyond guns too. These kids are going to stand up for their minority and LGBT friends more than ever and fight for them in unity.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:25:29am

re: #402 Belafon

Don’t the indictments say otherwise?

you got me there…what exactly are they charged with? if it was simply a matter of trying to influence an election, then that is not illegal, but there are plenty of illegal actions that can be related to election tampering/meddling.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:25:46am

re: #403 KGxvi

It’s always been considered a classic to me and lots of people I know. And I don’t think her version was close. And I’m being gentle there. LOL

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KGxvi  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:26:34am

re: #402 Belafon

Don’t the indictments say otherwise?

Yes.

Beyond that, they are likely a violation of international law. A coordinated effort by a government to interfere and swing an election outcome can be construed as violating the right to self determination.

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jaunte  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:27:28am

re: #407 KGxvi

And that’s why dark money is a huge problem.

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KGxvi  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:28:13am

re: #406 JordanRules

It’s always been considered a classic to me and lots of people I know. And I don’t think her version was close. And I’m being gentle there. LOL

I’d never heard the Marvin Gaye version until maybe a year to two ago. I’ve heard people comparing Fergie’s rendition to Roseanne’s, which is just fucked up.

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jaunte  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:28:55am

Emoluments Air.

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sagehen  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:29:17am

re: #328 wrenchwench

I saw the couple who has been married 52 or 53 years (didn’t ask if they’d gotten that one sorted out), and said, ‘It’s some kind of holiday today.’ They said, in unison again, ‘Presidents Day.’ Then he continued, ‘I don’t know if they’re going to pick up the garbage today or not. We put it out, anyway, just in case.’ I said, ‘Ah, the celebratory Presidents Day Garbage.’ They sort of laughed, I think.

Presidents Day is a time for mattress sales… which for this particular president, is finally on topic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:31:32am

re: #411 sagehen

Presidents Day is a time for mattress sales… which for this particular president, is finally on topic.

special discount on moisture-proof mattress covers!

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:32:15am
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lizardofid  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:32:25am

re: #404 allegro

I was just thinking about that. Not changing it now but how it got changed from 21 in the first place - kids did it (with adult support of course but). Kids have the power to make huge changes in our country as proven by the 60s. Kids got us out of Nam, changed the voting age to 18, stopped the draft. I am so excited to see this mobilization again. I’ve been waiting for it. So very sad to see what caused it - essentially bringing Nam home into our schools - but excited to seeing the kids saying “NO MORE!”. I think it will go beyond guns too. These kids are going to stand up for their minority and LGBT friends more than ever and fight for them in unity.

I was around when the voting age was lowered. I remember the argument at the time was something along the lines of “conscription with out representation”.

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:33:27am

re: #409 KGxvi

That’s why we love art and YouTube! It lives on!

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allegro  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:34:08am

re: #414 lizardofid

I was around when the voting age was lowered. I remember the argument at the time was something along the lines of “conscription with out representation”.

Me too. It enabled me to vote for the first time at age 19. (Okay it was for Nixon which doesn’t make for the best argument now, I grant. At least I learned from it.)

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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:34:56am

this is interesting
it’s at political-wire.com and goes to the philadelphia inquirer

copying in full cause it’s short

“The Pennsylvania Supreme Court is set to release a new congressional district map on Monday, after weeks of political and legal fighting following its ruling that the map adopted in 2011 was an unconstitutional partisan gerrymander,” the Philadelphia Inquirer reports.

“But whatever the map looks like, don’t expect it to end the battle.”

“Republican lawmakers have vowed to resist the court’s order, saying they will seek a federal challenge to whatever map is selected.”

that bolded part is mine

they havent seen the map yet and are going to challenge it no matter what

thats perilously close to “whatever it is, i’m against it”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:35:03am

re: #413 Unshaken Defiance

It’s quite interesting that the children survivors haven’t even buried their friends, grieve, get over shock but have had the time to plan for a march, come up with a creative hashtag, get their story to all media outlets all in such a short amount time.

“It’s too early to politicize this” takes on a new poetic overtone…

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Alephnaught  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:35:58am

re: #331 makeitstop

It’s spreading. This is the NRA’s worst nightmare.

Reminds me of the 1980s when the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) would often stage “die-ins” in public places. That certainly caught the public imagination in the UK at the time.

BTW Notice the first reply to that tweet is a predictability sneery debating society pendantic point(less) in favour of inaction: exactly the sort of attitude these folks are protesting against. Move the fuck over, Grandad.

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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:36:43am

re: #413 Unshaken Defiance

Kambree Kawahine Koa

@KamVTV
It’s quite interesting that the children survivors haven’t even buried their friends, grieve, get over shock but have had the time to plan for a march, come up with a creative hashtag, get their story to all media outlets all in such a short amount time….. #MarchForOurLives


Daniel Ballard
@RW_Conspirator
It’s a tragedy, a disaster, not a matter of mere “interest”. A grief driven transcending event will do that

ida gone with ‘whats your fucking point?”

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KGxvi  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:37:13am

re: #416 allegro

Me too. It enabled me to vote for the first time at age 19. (Okay it was for Nixon which doesn’t make for the best argument now, I grant. At least I learned from it.)

If it was 1972, don’t feel bad, three-fifths of the country voted for Nixon. I really wonder how differently we think of Nixon if he wasn’t so paranoid as to greenlight Watergate. I suspect the entire course of the last quarter of the twentieth century is drastically different.

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KGxvi  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:38:35am

re: #417 dangerman

this is interesting
it’s at political-wire.com and goes to the philadelphia inquirer

copying in full cause it’s short

that bolded part is mine

they havent seen the map yet and are going to challenge it no matter what

thats perilously close to “whatever it is, i’m against it”

Considering their reaction to the ruling was to try and impeach a majority of the state Supreme Court, I can’t say I’m particularly surprised.

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sagehen  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:41:10am

re: #405 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

you got me there…what exactly are they charged with? if it was simply a matter of trying to influence an election, then that is not illegal, but there are plenty of illegal actions that can be related to election tampering/meddling.

If they were working on behalf of a candidate, paying salaries and expenses for people to work on behalf of a candidate — that’s a campaign contribution. Foreigners are not allowed to make campaign contributions.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:41:44am

re: #420 dangerman

That timeline is a hot mess by way of wingnutty.

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lizardofid  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:41:54am

re: #416 allegro

Me too. It enabled me to vote for the first time at age 19. (Okay it was for Nixon which doesn’t make for the best argument now, I grant. At least I learned from it.)

(I feel your pain) You know, I think at the time they might have gotten by with raising the conscription age, rather than lowering the voting age. There’s a real thought experiment in why they went the way they did.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:42:08am

re: #410 jaunte

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Emoluments Air.

Why anyone would care what Fredo has to say on foreign policy is a mystery to me.

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Kragar  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:43:43am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:45:30am

re: #427 Kragar

Trump wasn’t a real President last year either.

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sagehen  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:45:44am

re: #416 allegro

Me too. It enabled me to vote for the first time at age 19. (Okay it was for Nixon which doesn’t make for the best argument now, I grant. At least I learned from it.)

Don’t apologize for voting Nixon.

EPA
OSHA
Title IX
Title X
Affirmative Action
Saving Israel in 1973
Establishing diplomatic relations with China

None of his crimes diminish the value of the good things he also did.

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KGxvi  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:45:46am

re: #426 Mike Lamb

Why anyone would care what Fredo has to say on foreign policy is a mystery to me.

In ancient times, you pleased the young prince in order to win favor with the king. Same difference today.

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sagehen  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:47:18am

re: #417 dangerman

this is interesting
it’s at political-wire.com and goes to the philadelphia inquirer

copying in full cause it’s short

that bolded part is mine

they havent seen the map yet and are going to challenge it no matter what

thats perilously close to “whatever it is, i’m against it”

Groucho Marx - I’m Against It

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Kragar  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:47:57am

re: #428 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Benefit of the doubt last year, as we didn’t have the indictments then.

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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:51:29am

re: #431 sagehen

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winner

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Interesting Times  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:53:55am

So about all those breathless concern-troll articles about Cheeto Benito’s numbers “inching up”…

But as always, the only poll that matters is election day. Turnout, turnout, turnout!

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wrenchwench  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:54:06am

re: #431 sagehen

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That’s twice you’ve posted my favorite song; this one and ‘Pico and Sepulveda’.

I have several favorite songs.

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Kragar  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:55:23am
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lawhawk  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:55:48am
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:56:37am

re: #382 bill d. (b.d.)

The $1.25 million a month by the Russians is just the money that Mueller has told us about to date, we have no idea how much they really spent.

I wonder how Republicans think Russian money has no influence, but George Soros’s personal contributions cause all the ills of America?

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jaunte  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:56:47am
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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:57:14am

re: #436 Kragar

She won’t accept logic, but: We’re totally blaming the shooter, but, it would be a whole lot harder for him to kill if he did not have access to military style weapons, as has been proven in other countries.

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Interesting Times  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:57:16am

This right here is the kind of messaging the Dems need to pound relentlessly, just as relentlessly as the NRA-lickspittle GOPers pound the “good guy with gun” idiocy:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:58:25am

re: #436 Kragar

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Damn right I blame an assault weapon that should never be in civilian hands you moron.

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lawhawk  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:58:36am

re: #436 Kragar

You need to use small words for a small minded buffoon like Tomi.

The fact is that gun violence is enabled by the easy availability of guns across the nation. States with lax gun laws have higher per capita death rates from firearms than those with strong gun laws.

Make guns more difficult to get the less likely there will be mass shootings, or domestic violence incidents that turn in to homicides (or cops getting killed trying to stop one domestic partner murdering the other with firearms).

And gun bans do work - just ask Japan, Australia, and Europe. They have far fewer mass shootings combined over the past decade than the US had in just the past year.

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jaunte  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:59:01am

Conservatives are spending a huge amount of taxpayers money on pushing their propaganda.

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2018 • 11:59:10am

re: #336 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

One reason the AR-15 is so popular is that it is so profitable for the manufacturers. It is basically a 350 dollar gun, but typically sells for twice that or more. Like its earlier Soviet counterpart, the AK-47, it was designed for mass production. It is not the precision instrument its many worshipers seem to assume, nor was it meant to be.

Yeah, but they are cool and like a model car you can build them and add custom parts to make them even more badass!!!

(And tell me that is not some of the attraction)

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wrenchwench  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:00:21pm

re: #439 jaunte

[Texas, which has the country’s highest maternal mortality rate, also accounts for nearly half of $40.5 million spent in state funding of fake clinics nationwide]

Pro Lie.

No fs to give.

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jaunte  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:00:29pm

re: #445 ObserverArt

Add as many skulls as you like.

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Kragar  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:01:54pm

Can anyone be surprised by this?

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Interesting Times  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:02:30pm

#Gundamentalist as term of ridicule and scorn needs to be a thing:

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jaunte  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:02:47pm

re: #448 Kragar

With everything else he’s done, rigging a beauty contest is almost quaint.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:03:25pm

re: #321 Ace-o-aces

And it looks like Trump has gotten his phone back…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:03:26pm

re: #449 Interesting Times

#Gundamentalist as term of ridicule and scorn needs to be a thing:

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I like it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:04:21pm

re: #451 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

And it looks like Trump has gotten his phone back…

Well there were these sanctions but you got rid of them because you needed to pay back Vlad.

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:04:42pm

re: #351 VegasGolfer

Do you guys get any buffering problems? Seriously thinking of going this route in my new place.

Well, I am only a day and a half in and the only buffering I’ve seen was late last night watching some Olympics coverage on NBC Sports. I’m thinking that may have been due to the signal being slow from Korea and maybe causing it to mess with the stream too.

We shall see.

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Kragar  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:06:12pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:06:32pm

Just a thought. Trumps reaction to the Russians being indicted sure looks like a blackmailed guy. Most anyone else in the Oval Office would be expelling diplos, accelerating, not resisting sanctions, arming Ukraine….

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:07:16pm
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Belafon  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:07:34pm

re: #456 Unshaken Defiance

Just a thought. Trumps reaction to the Russians being indicted sure looks like a blackmailed guy. Most anyone else in the Oval Office would be expelling diplos, accelerating, not resisting sanctions, arming Ukraine….

You’d have to have an actual president in order to think of those things.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:08:07pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:08:48pm

re: #456 Unshaken Defiance

Just a thought. Trumps reaction to the Russians being indicted sure looks like a blackmailed guy. Most anyone else in the Oval Office would be expelling diplos, accelerating, not resisting sanctions, arming Ukraine….

There’s more to the kompromat than the pee tape for sure. There are actual dead bodies involved somewhere.

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lawhawk  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:09:11pm

re: #451 Ace-o-aces

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:09:17pm

re: #456 Unshaken Defiance

Just a thought. Trumps reaction to the Russians being indicted sure looks like a blackmailed guy. Most anyone else in the Oval Office would be expelling diplos, accelerating, not resisting sanctions, arming Ukraine….

I definitely think they have dirt on him going back to Soviet days when his first wife was a native of Soviet satellite, Czechoslovakia.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:09:37pm

re: #460 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

There’s more to the kompromat than the pee tape for sure. There are actual dead bodies involved somewhere.

Or raped children.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:09:51pm

re: #458 Belafon

You’d have to have an actual president in order to think of those things.

Heh. Funny thing is you actually don’t to get the basics like that… and this guy blows Presidenting 101 weekly. Um, weakly.

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:09:59pm

re: #364 Belafon

Betty Cracker over at Balloon Juice makes a good catch: John Kasich has changed his campaign website from “Absolute 2nd Amendment” to “Common Sense on the 2nd Amendment”. Weather vane has turned.

It is Kasich. Check the weather again later and be sure to pay attention to the long-range forecast.

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FormerDirtDart  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:10:08pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:10:25pm

re: #423 sagehen

If they were working on behalf of a candidate, paying salaries and expenses for people to work on behalf of a candidate — that’s a campaign contribution. Foreigners are not allowed to make campaign contributions.

that is a different matter than just tweeting, posting or writing articles

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jaunte  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:10:55pm
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allegro  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:11:27pm

re: #444 jaunte

Conservatives are spending a huge amount of taxpayers money on pushing their propaganda.

And none piss me off more than the fake pregnancy crisis centers white baby adoption mills. Here I will admit to a crime: I super glued the door lock once (okay twice, OKAY three times) at one of these horrid places that was right across the street from a high school a block from my home. Not sorry neither. It closed pretty soon after.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:13:26pm

re: #468 jaunte

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He’s complicit. Hell he may not even be blackmailed. He’s always been a me first jerk and Putin flattered his yugge ego unlike Obama.

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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:15:30pm

re: #442 HappyWarrior

Damn right I blame an assault weapon that should never be in civilian hands you moron.

the cop is supposed to know better and be trained. he is authroized and expected to carry a weapon and use it correctlyto perform his duties. the fault is in his missuse or misjudgement

the very existence of the ar15 for civilian use and the system that put it in the school shooters hands is the problem. no gun no shooting

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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:16:15pm

re: #447 jaunte

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Add as many skulls as you like.

totally a rabbit and varmint gun

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dangerman  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:18:05pm

re: #455 Kragar

Obama was President up to, and beyond, the 2016 Election. So why didn’t he do something about Russian meddling?

ask mitch

you two know each other?

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JordanRules  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:21:58pm

re: #468 jaunte

This is a nice response to the man himself but also those stupid “skeptical” journos. Dude has blabbed plenty.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:22:32pm

I’m not seeing other people’s responses to Trump’s tweet.

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ObserverArt  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:31:32pm

re: #450 jaunte

With everything else he’s done, rigging a beauty contest is almost quaint.

Goes to intentions. He likes to rig things. Why wouldn’t he rig an election if given the opportunity and the assistance? Resistance to do the right thing is already gone and past results probably tell him it’s a good thing to do.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:35:02pm

re: #417 dangerman

this is interesting
it’s at political-wire.com and goes to the philadelphia inquirer

copying in full cause it’s short

that bolded part is mine

they havent seen the map yet and are going to challenge it no matter what

thats perilously close to “whatever it is, i’m against it”

They know damn well that it will not give them an unfair advantage. That in itself is not acceptable to them. If it is fair and doesn’t give them some advantage, it is shit in their eyes.

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makeitstop  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:35:51pm

re: #463 HappyWarrior

Or raped children.

Maybe both.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:40:05pm

re: #455 Kragar

Apparnere: #476 ObserverArt

Goes to intentions. He likes to rig things. Why wouldn’t he rig an election if given the opportunity and the assistance? Resistance to do the right thing is already gone and past results probably tell him it’s a good thing to do.

I suspect that Trump is tortured by wondering whether he really ever won anything. He’ll rig EVERYTHING, even cheating at golf, because he can’t stand not winning. But the knowledge that he cheated to win might sour that victory. Similarly, he can never really tell whether ll the people who cling to him do so for himself, or because he’s rich and powerful. Sure, he knows The Base loves him, but he has no respect for them, any more than ANY con man respects his marks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:45:28pm

re: #451 Ace-o-aces

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And it looks like Trump has gotten his phone back…

he should ask Mitch McConnell why President Obama “did nothing”.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:46:23pm

re: #451 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

And it looks like Trump has gotten his phone back…

Looks like he’s having a reflexive Presidents Day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 19, 2018 • 12:49:39pm

re: #469 allegro

And none piss me off more than the fake pregnancy crisis centers white baby adoption mills. Here I will admit to a crime: I super glued the door lock once (okay twice, OKAY three times) at one of these horrid places that was right across the street from a high school a block from my home. Not sorry neither. It closed pretty soon after.

the non-white babies will also be adopted, because souless white “Christians” always need household help and those particular babies can be trained up right from the get-go…

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retired cynic  Feb 19, 2018 • 4:02:03pm

re: #421 KGxvi

If it was 1972, don’t feel bad, three-fifths of the country voted for Nixon. I really wonder how differently we think of Nixon if he wasn’t so paranoid as to greenlight Watergate. I suspect the entire course of the last quarter of the twentieth century is drastically different.

NOT ME! (And yes, I was old enough!)


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