A Classic: The Band - the Last Waltz - "The Weight" (Feat. The Staples Singers)

A Classic: The Band - the Last Waltz - “The Weight” (Feat. The Staples Singers)

MusicFebruary 2018 • Views: 30,151

Rediscovering amazing performances like this one. I should note that the live tracks may have been extensively overdubbed and re-done in the studio (that’s how it looks to me now). I think there are still some bits of the original tracks in there somewhere, even if it’s only the tempo, but this is a reconstruction of the concert we all heard in our minds.

And yet… they produced a great piece of recorded music regardless of how much work it took to revise, replace and enhance it. A great album, even if it shouldn’t really be considered “live.”

Mavis killed it, re-recorded or not. And so did everyone else on that stage.

And somebody has to make reality resemble fantasy, sometimes, anyway.

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323 comments

plansbandc Feb 21, 2018 • 6:51:30pm

Charles, this is just beautiful. Thank you.

Scottish Dragon Feb 21, 2018 • 6:52:13pm

This is brutal. My God.

JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 6:52:19pm

This is absolutely one of my favorite songs of all time.
Such a good evening to listen to it.

Anymouse 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 6:54:05pm

From the previous thread:

re: #643 nines09

OPERA menu top left can guide you.
Free VPN search engine. can’t get you everywhere, but can help. Clean your cache and type in new search, go private on top. Nothing ventured.

Thanks, though I imagine by the time I can download Opera at my service’s glacial speeds and set it up, the town hall will be over.

I’ll give it a whirl though for the next time I want to see something my IP doesn’t.

HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 6:54:10pm

Rubio tried to weasel out of it by claiming he’s a supporter of the 2nd amendment. Marco, most of us ARE but not all of us take NRA money.

Quoth the raven, Covfefe. Feb 21, 2018 • 6:56:29pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

Rubio tried to weasel out of it by claiming he’s a supporter of the 2nd amendment. Marco, most of us ARE but not all of us take NRA money.

I had to explain this to Mrs. Fish. I described it as, “Basically, they’re asking if Rubio is going to stop sucking the gun-fuckers’ cocks or not.” She was not amused.

Belafon Feb 21, 2018 • 6:56:34pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

Rubio tried to weasel out of it by claiming he’s a supporter of the 2nd amendment. Marco, most of us ARE but not all of us take NRA money.

He’s a supporter of part of the second amendment, the one that earns him money.

JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 6:56:38pm

Cameron’s out here lighting Rubio’s ass. That’s something journalists are supposed to do and yet… #CNNTownHall

— #TeamKillmonger. (@thewayoftheid) February 22, 2018

Anymouse 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 6:57:12pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

Rubio tried to weasel out of it by claiming he’s a supporter of the 2nd amendment. Marco, most of us ARE but not all of us take NRA money.

I support the II Amendment. I have no problem with the idea of issuing titles for all firearms so they can be positively tracked from the day they are sold to the day they are destroyed.

I’m not scared of “teh gubmint is coming to take muh shotgun!”

If the government wanted to do that, there is no way I could stop it anyway.

GlutenFreeJesus Feb 21, 2018 • 6:57:12pm

Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos Feb 21, 2018 • 6:57:41pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

Rubio tried to weasel out of it by claiming he’s a supporter of the 2nd amendment. Marco, most of us ARE but not all of us take NRA money.

Anyone want to take a bet that within the next two weeks Rubio will be standing in front of an NRA function and bragging about how he stood up to the students tonight?

HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 6:58:07pm

re: #11 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Anyone want to take a bet that within the next two weeks Rubio will be standing in front of an NRA function and bragging about how he stood up to the students tonight?

I’ll take it.

allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 6:58:44pm

What’s the blood of my teachers and students worth in your blood money?

nines09 Feb 21, 2018 • 6:58:55pm

re: #4 Anymouse 🌹

Can’t hurt. If it’s no go, just uninstall. It’s gotten me around some walls.

HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 6:59:12pm

It was nice to see Rubio schooled by a kid no less.

Ace Rothstein Feb 21, 2018 • 6:59:14pm

The Time 2018 “Person of the Year” will be these students’ activism.

gocart mozart Feb 21, 2018 • 6:59:21pm

Here’s the thing about sake. It pretends that it isn’t alcohol. Like it’s just a starch or some shit.

— David Simon (@AoDespair) February 22, 2018

dangerman Feb 21, 2018 • 7:00:14pm

re: #9 Anymouse 🌹

I support the II Amendment. I have no problem with the idea of issuing titles for all firearms so they can be positively tracked from the day they are sold to the day they are destroyed.

I’m not scared of “teh gubmint is coming to take muh shotgun!”

If the government wanted to do that, there is no way I could stop it anyway.

the prob with th e 2a is no enforcement for recklessness and no consequences for any bad behavior. especially with sales and xfers. also with storage.

Anymouse 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 7:01:02pm

re: #11 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Anyone want to take a bet that within the next two weeks Rubio will be standing in front of an NRA function and bragging about how he stood up to the students tonight?

Or the upcoming CPAC convention.

dangerman Feb 21, 2018 • 7:02:00pm

re: #19 Anymouse 🌹

Or the upcoming CPAC convention.

every time I read cpac I see cpap

JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:02:03pm

Cameron roasting him on TV while his fellow classmates hold down social media.

$176,000 that’s how much @marcorubio was paid for each child’s life by the NRA #neveragain

— David Hogg (@davidhogg111) February 22, 2018

lawhawk Feb 21, 2018 • 7:02:24pm

They have no time to train to be in a position to deal with active shooter situations - it’d be a full time job to have that kind of training. That’s why cops have SWAT teams to handle situations like active shooter situations.

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) February 22, 2018

Cops train to fire their guns and handle law enforcement.

When they come across situations too tough for them, they call in SWAT teams.

Guess what are tough for the beat cops to deal with? Active shooter situations, such as when a school is involved.

When the public needs help, they call cops. When cops need help, they call SWAT/ESU.

SWAT/ESU train nonstop for these situations. There’s no way teachers would ever have that level of proficiency, which means that when the shooter gets the drop on them, their gun is now the shooters’.

Anymouse 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 7:03:15pm

re: #18 dangerman

the prob with th e 2a is no enforcement for recklessness and no consequences for any bad behavior. especially with sales and xfers. also with storage.

Enact the NRA’s own safety regulations, and put penalties for failing to follow them.

Jim Wright suggested that. There is a candidate running in Texas now running on that idea.

The NRA is then put on the spot: They either have to support their own safety regulations backed with penalties for failure to follow them, or repudiate their own safety regulations and be shown to be hypocrites and shills.

The NRA’s own safety regulations are actually a pretty good foundation for a set of gun safety laws.

Quoth the raven, Covfefe. Feb 21, 2018 • 7:03:20pm

re: #21 JordanRules

Cameron roasting him on TV while his fellow classmates hold down social media.

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Their Twitter game is on point. Kids these days, I tell ya.

allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:03:36pm

These kids rock.

calochortus Feb 21, 2018 • 7:03:41pm

re: #20 dangerman

every time I read cpac I see cpap

Me too, but I thought it was just because I seem to be coming down with a cold and am a bit mentally fuzzy at the moment.

dangerman Feb 21, 2018 • 7:04:28pm

re: #22 lawhawk

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Cops train to fire their guns and handle law enforcement.

When they come across situations too tough for them, they call in SWAT teams.

Guess what are tough for the beat cops to deal with? Active shooter situations, such as when a school is involved.

When the public needs help, they call cops. When cops need help, they call SWAT/ESU.

SWAT/ESU train nonstop for these situations. There’s no way teachers would ever have that level of proficiency, which means that when the shooter gets the drop on them, their gun is now the shooters’.

nor are they gonna run towards the guy firing

allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:04:34pm

So Rubio will consider looking at large capacity magazines. He’s changing his mind. Sure Marco. Let’s see.

JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:05:12pm

re: #28 allegro

He’s counting on this blowing over.
Nope.

allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:05:15pm

re: #28 allegro

So Rubio will consider looking at large capacity magazines. He’s changing his mind. Sure Marco. Let’s see.

Wait, Not changing his mind. Considering rethinking.

Jason Munro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:05:24pm

re: #28 allegro

He is on the ropes. I expect this will all be walked back inside 24 hours.

dangerman Feb 21, 2018 • 7:05:26pm

re: #23 Anymouse 🌹

Enact the NRA’s own safety regulations, and put penalties for failing to follow them.

Jim Wright suggested that. There is a candidate running in Texas now running on that idea.

The NRA is then put on the spot: They either have to support their own safety regulations backed with penalties for failure to follow them, or repudiate their own safety regulations and be shown to be hypocrites and shills.

The NRA’s own safety regulations are actually a pretty good foundation for a set of gun safety laws.

absolutely. no one should have a problem with laws for demonstrated recklessness

HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:05:43pm

re: #28 allegro

So Rubio will consider looking at large capacity magazines. He’s changing his mind. Sure Marco. Let’s see.

He’ll consider it right up until he fears for his political future.

Quoth the raven, Covfefe. Feb 21, 2018 • 7:05:46pm

re: #31 Jason Munro

He is on the ropes. I expect this will all be walked back inside 24 hours.

As soon as he’s out of the spotlight.

JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:06:14pm

This is absolutely generational.

The oldest first-term president, elected by greying voters, enabled by one of the oldest congresses in history, has repeatedly sold out young people on climate, immigration, and national debt.

Add gun violence to that list.

— Charlotte Alter (@CharlotteAlter) February 22, 2018

Dave In Austin Feb 21, 2018 • 7:06:24pm

5rds internal magazine on anything over .22

gocart mozart Feb 21, 2018 • 7:06:33pm

I’m astonishingly drunk. Martinis and sake. Reading Russian bots and American rubes advocating for teacher-warriors. This is the end.

— David Simon (@AoDespair) February 22, 2018

Bartender, please throw him out and send him home.

— Laura Lippman (@LauraMLippman) February 22, 2018

goddamnedfrank Feb 21, 2018 • 7:06:48pm

Marco Rubio flopping in front of these kids like … pic.twitter.com/AJMvLNDGxr

— MC 555 nanometer Jesus (@goddamnedfrank) February 22, 2018

GlutenFreeJesus Feb 21, 2018 • 7:07:31pm

You know who Republicans aren’t consulting regarding their idea to arm teachers? THE FUCKING TEACHERS.

Quoth the raven, Covfefe. Feb 21, 2018 • 7:07:34pm

re: #38 goddamnedfrank

Poor Magikarp.

JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:07:41pm

Wow, this is remarkable. Rubio is taking a lot of heat from this very angry, hurt audience. But the honest truth is a lot of Republicans wouldn’t be willing to do what he’s doing tonight.

— Abby D. Phillip (@abbydphillip) February 22, 2018

That this is true shouldn’t read as praise for Rubio but as an indictment of his fellow Republicans. Showing up is literally the least they can do. https://t.co/zZrPjhVSBO

— Dennis Yedwab (@dennisyedwab) February 22, 2018

Belafon Feb 21, 2018 • 7:08:13pm

I don’t know that there’s anything being planned at my son’s school, but I told him I would support any decision he made regarding any protest or march.

HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:08:14pm

re: #41 JordanRules

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True.

Decatur Deb Feb 21, 2018 • 7:08:40pm

re: #39 GlutenFreeJesus

You know who Republicans aren’t consulting regarding their idea to arm teachers? THE FUCKING TEACHERS.

Or their unions, one of the last bastions of labor in the economy.

JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:08:49pm

when you realize this night is going to become its own section on your wikipedia page pic.twitter.com/yulcTr09sE

— Michael Pielocik (@michaelpielocik) February 22, 2018

lawhawk Feb 21, 2018 • 7:09:00pm

Sean Hannity just called CNN “the shithole news network” at CPAC.@brianstelter

— Alexander Nazaryan (@alexnazaryan) February 22, 2018

Scout Feb 21, 2018 • 7:09:26pm

re: #39 GlutenFreeJesus

You know who Republicans aren’t consulting regarding their idea to arm teachers? THE FUCKING TEACHERS.

Oh, they’ll trot out some right-wing teachers who will welcome it. It’ll be like climate scientists. They will get equal coverage even though they represent a small minority of teachers.

Jason Munro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:09:47pm

re: #34 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Rubio is now prefixing every statement with “I believe”.

goddamnedfrank Feb 21, 2018 • 7:10:15pm

re: #36 Dave In Austin

5rds internal magazine on anything over .22

I’m good with that. I’d also be okay with no more semi autos period. Everything has to be either bolt action, break action, falling / rolling block or a revolver.

gocart mozart Feb 21, 2018 • 7:10:32pm

Marco Rubio says a bunch of pretty words about how we have to come up with solutions both sides can agree on.

But: here is him voting down a BIPARTISAN background checks bill in 2013 that 94% of Americans support ↓ pic.twitter.com/VHQcMI68NR

— igorvolsky (@igorvolsky) February 22, 2018

Anymouse 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 7:11:20pm

re: #32 dangerman

absolutely. no one should have a problem with laws for demonstrated recklessness

For example, the NRA’s own rules say you should always safely store a firearm.

Note the NRA doesn’t specify the method, only that it is inaccessible to an unauthorised person.

Your kid gets your gun and fires it, you go to jail.

There are no such things as accidental discharges of firearms. There are only negligent ones. Negligence can be prosecuted in any number of other venues, there is no reason it can’t be prosecuted for negligent handling of firearms.

The NRA holds you should never transfer a weapon to a person unauthorised to have it (like loaning it out or selling it to an unauthorised person). Do that? Lose your rights to guns, fines, or go to jail.

The NRA notes you should know your target and what’s behind it. Negligently discharge a weapon in an unsafe direction? Negligent discharge of a firearm equals a fine if no damage, fine and misdemeanour if property is damaged, felony if a person is injured and killed.

FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 Feb 21, 2018 • 7:11:26pm

Rubio says after this attach he’s reconsidering past indifference to regulating magazine size -
Which is critical - also hints that law enforcement has some info about this shooting that will support his reconsideration

— Philip Gourevitch (@PGourevitch) February 22, 2018

Another news making moment: @marcorubio says he reverses his opposition to high capacity magazines because while it wouldn’t stop shootings “it could make them less lethal”

— Mary Ellen Klas (@MaryEllenKlas) February 22, 2018

gocart mozart Feb 21, 2018 • 7:13:00pm

This kid just referred to Donald Trump as “Our so-called president”.

Give him a SCHOLARSHIP and a NEW CAR!

🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
#CNNTownHall #StudentsStandUp pic.twitter.com/RLKvTme5Di

— Tommy Campbell (@MrTommyCampbell) February 22, 2018

Anymouse 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 7:13:03pm

re: #39 GlutenFreeJesus

You know who Republicans aren’t consulting regarding their idea to arm teachers? THE FUCKING TEACHERS.

Conservatism can’t fail, it can only be failed. If the plan fails, it’s the teachers’ faults.

Belafon Feb 21, 2018 • 7:13:43pm

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

I’m good with that. I’d also be okay with no more semi autos period. Everything has to be either bolt action, break action, falling / rolling block or a revolver.

I would actually go so far as to say that the loading action must be a separate physical action from firing action, either requiring the other hand or forcing the firing hand to be removed from the trigger.

GlutenFreeJesus Feb 21, 2018 • 7:13:53pm

re: #40 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Poor Magikarp.

“Rubio uses STRUGGLE”

HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:14:00pm

re: #46 lawhawk

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Stay classy Sean.

allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:14:40pm

NRA coming up.

Ace Rothstein Feb 21, 2018 • 7:14:47pm

The crowd starts booing when Jake says “Next, an NRA spokesperson will be with us.”

Belafon Feb 21, 2018 • 7:15:40pm

re: #53 gocart mozart

“People should never be disrespectful of the president. Why, I never—-“
*Ring*
“High, it’s 2009-2017 calling.”

Decatur Deb Feb 21, 2018 • 7:15:43pm

re: #58 allegro

NRA coming up.

If it’s Loesch, she’ll condescend. They’ll like that.

gocart mozart Feb 21, 2018 • 7:15:46pm

I’ve seen no evidence you’re a military officer, but that plays no part in my dealings. Sarah made her choices, so be it. My point was about the millieu represented by Floppy Boot Stomp. A bought intelligentsia, so wrongheaded that Stein is smeared as an oligarch’s tool.

— Robb Chavez (@robb_chavez) February 22, 2018

allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:15:54pm

Nelson and Deutch for the win. Adult, sensible. Rubio, waffling, slippery, dishonest.

Dave In Austin Feb 21, 2018 • 7:16:17pm

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

Hey Frank, you notice no one ever bitches about plugs to limit shell numbers in shotguns? Huh…..

Ace Rothstein Feb 21, 2018 • 7:16:36pm

re: #61 Decatur Deb

If it’s Loesch, she’ll condescend. They’ll like that.

The only reason she is there is because the NRA knows her combative style will raise a lot of money.

Scottish Dragon Feb 21, 2018 • 7:16:48pm

re: #39 GlutenFreeJesus

You know who Republicans aren’t consulting regarding their idea to arm teachers? THE FUCKING TEACHERS.

It was mentioned at work today.

We are not pleased.

Belafon Feb 21, 2018 • 7:17:17pm

re: #61 Decatur Deb

If it’s Loesch, she’ll condescend. They’ll like that.

“The men are going to attack me.”
“Now, we hear from the young women of Stoneman Douglas.”

Quoth the raven, Covfefe. Feb 21, 2018 • 7:17:46pm

re: #56 GlutenFreeJesus

“Rubio uses STRUGGLE”

CROWD is unaffected!

calochortus Feb 21, 2018 • 7:17:47pm

re: #62 gocart mozart

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“My point was about the millieu represented by Floppy Boot Stomp. A bought intelligentsia, so wrongheaded that Stein is smeared as an oligarch’s tool.”

Can anyone translate this pseudo-intellectual bafflegab?

Scottish Dragon Feb 21, 2018 • 7:18:13pm

Dana on stage.

Dave In Austin Feb 21, 2018 • 7:18:20pm

Danamaguns

Quoth the raven, Covfefe. Feb 21, 2018 • 7:18:21pm

re: #69 calochortus

Can anyone translate this pseudo-intellectual bafflegab?

Somebody’s mad that Jill Stein is being called out as a Russia stooge.

Ace Rothstein Feb 21, 2018 • 7:18:27pm

She has a very pissy look on her face. That’ll go over well.

allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:18:48pm

Sheriff Isreal: Teachers shouldn’t be armed. They should teach.

HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:18:50pm

re: #73 Ace Rothstein

She has a very pissy look on her face. That’ll go over well.

She always has that look.

allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:19:02pm

Emma! Huge cheers.

HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:19:12pm

re: #74 allegro

Sheriff Isreal: Teachers shouldn’t be armed. They should teach.

100% correct.

calochortus Feb 21, 2018 • 7:19:23pm

re: #72 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Somebody’s mad that Jill Stein is being called out as a Russia stooge.

Thank you. Why not just say it, I wonder?

Jason Munro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:19:32pm

I would respect any representative actually answering the fucking question directly without mini diatribes for the sole purpose of building applause. JFC (I don’t normally watch this type of shit so maybe I’m asking too much).

Quoth the raven, Covfefe. Feb 21, 2018 • 7:20:37pm

re: #78 calochortus

Thank you. Why not just say it, I wonder?

Because who wants to admit they voted for Jill Stein when she’s been exposed as an operative - however unwitting - of the Russia election rigging?

JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:20:41pm

I don’t think politicians grasp yet that that A+ from the NRA is going to have a very different meaning by Election Day.

— Schooley (@Rschooley) February 22, 2018

Dave In Austin Feb 21, 2018 • 7:21:11pm

Pander in the 1st degree

dangerman Feb 21, 2018 • 7:21:11pm

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹

For example, the NRA’s own rules say you should always safely store a firearm.

Note the NRA doesn’t specify the method, only that it is inaccessible to an unauthorised person.

Your kid gets your gun and fires it, you go to jail.

There are no such things as accidental discharges of firearms. There are only negligent ones. Negligence can be prosecuted in any number of other venues, there is no reason it can’t be prosecuted for negligent handling of firearms.

The NRA holds you should never transfer a weapon to a person unauthorised to have it (like loaning it out or selling it to an unauthorised person). Do that? Lose your rights to guns, fines, or go to jail.

The NRA notes you should know your target and what’s behind it. Negligently discharge a weapon in an unsafe direction? Negligent discharge of a firearm equals a fine if no damage, fine and misdemeanour if property is damaged, felony if a person is injured and killed.

&c

99%
except your last line. i dont care whether something (or someone) is hit or not. the threat, the exposure, the danger to all of us is the same.

if you lose control of your weapon whether you recklessly brandish it, or actually discharge it, whether you hit something or not, you have demonstrated you cannot be trusted with our safety.

and no second changes.

i believe, with no actual proof that draconian laws of consequence will straighten out the rest of gun owners right quick

(and now im off to bed)

FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 Feb 21, 2018 • 7:21:59pm

ah. so Dana’s strategy is to lie all night abt NRA.

noted.

— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) February 22, 2018

Quoth the raven, Covfefe. Feb 21, 2018 • 7:22:25pm

re: #84 FormerDirtDart

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No shit, Sherlock.

FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 Feb 21, 2018 • 7:22:28pm

Could we have a @CNN town hall meeting on climate change where politicians take questions from teenagers?

— Kate Brannen (@K8brannen) February 22, 2018

JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:22:29pm

Emma got that fresh buzz! Preach! #CNNTownHall

— 🇺🇸🇭🇹 Only4RM 🇭🇹🇺🇸 (@Only4RM) February 22, 2018

Bring the pain, Emma. CNNTownHall

— #TeamKillmonger. (@thewayoftheid) February 22, 2018

HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:23:03pm

Someone I hope asks her how she can claim to be against divisiveness while she appeared in the ad that she did.

goddamnedfrank Feb 21, 2018 • 7:23:39pm

re: #64 Dave In Austin

Hey Frank, you notice no one ever bitches about plugs to limit shell numbers in shotguns? Huh…..

Probably because that’s only a hunting regulation. They’d bitch mightily if internal mag size was limited at home. I mean, I’ll admit that I chose the Benelli M2 precisely because I could put a mag extension on it and butt right up next to the California legal limit of 10 rounds.

HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:23:44pm

re: #86 FormerDirtDart

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Any issue really. The kids are better than Ken Bone.

allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:23:49pm

Dana Gunz, platitudes to Emma. The shooter was nuts. SHouldn’t have had a gun. They don’t support it. And she’s fighting for all of them. Obfuscating. Now a shot at CNN.

Dana going on about mentally unfit. Flawed BG check. Blah blah.

Emma, should it be harder to get auto weapons? As a rep of the NRA…

Dana not answering a single question.

Ace Rothstein Feb 21, 2018 • 7:24:03pm

HOLY SHIT

allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:24:09pm

Sheriff Isreal. Go! You are not standing up for them!

Ace Rothstein Feb 21, 2018 • 7:25:27pm

Whatever the NRA is paying Lash is way too much.

HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:25:36pm

re: #91 allegro

Dana Gunz, platitudes to Emma. The shooter was nuts. SHouldn’t have had a gun. They don’t support it. And she’s fighting for all of them. Obfuscating. Now a shot at CNN.

Dana going on about mentally unfit. Flawed BG check. Blah blah.

Emma, should it be harder to get auto weapons? As a rep of the NRA…

Dana not answering a single question.

Dana is the one who’s nuts. She can’t go a day on Twitter without crying about her guns that she probably has no idea how to actually use but is just a pawn because she’s an attractive woman who the NRA knows will appeal to tubes rather than fat guys.

Charles Johnson Feb 21, 2018 • 7:25:39pm

Not going well for Dana. pic.twitter.com/Cnnd5H6kG6

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 22, 2018

Jason Munro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:26:04pm

Dana: “by the way, I’M HERE!. I’M HERE!”

Dave In Austin Feb 21, 2018 • 7:26:46pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

I always think of a field gun. Silly old school me. Your correct.

Quoth the raven, Covfefe. Feb 21, 2018 • 7:26:49pm

re: #97 Jason Munro

Dana: “by the way, I’M HERE!. I’M HERE!”

That’s nice, Dana Gun-Fucker. Now go fuck yourself with one of those pieces that you fetishize so much.

100

allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:27:03pm

Teacher, breaking my heart. Question to Dana: define well regulated militia. Explain to me how, using supporting details, how an 18 year old with a military rifle is well regulated. The nation is going to grade your answer.

101

Scottish Dragon Feb 21, 2018 • 7:27:25pm

HISTORY TEACHERS FOR THE FUCKING WIN!!!!!!!!!!

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:27:35pm

re: #100 allegro

Teacher, breaking my heart. Question to Dana: define well regulated militia. Explain to me how, using supporting details, how an 18 year old with a military rifle is well regulated. The nation is going to grade your answer.

Awesome.

103

allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:27:48pm

Dana talking about how she’s a mom. The militia is the whole of the people. That’s it.

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Anymouse 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 7:27:49pm

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

I’m good with that. I’d also be okay with no more semi autos period. Everything has to be either bolt action, break action, falling / rolling block or a revolver.

One could make an argument that a revolver is a semi-automatic. (While it doesn’t eject a cartridge, the cylinder moves to put a new cartridge under the firing pin.)

105

Ace Rothstein Feb 21, 2018 • 7:27:52pm

BULLSHIT!

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JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:27:55pm

re: #100 allegro

Yassss!!
Go teachers!!!!

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Skip Intro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:27:58pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

Like Limbaugh, Hannity, and the other RW media hacks, Dana isn’t used to people talking back to her. She misses her call screener and kill switch.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe. Feb 21, 2018 • 7:28:08pm

re: #100 allegro

Teacher, breaking my heart. Question to Dana: define well regulated militia. Explain to me how, using supporting details, how an 18 year old with a military rifle is well regulated. The nation is going to grade your answer.

The individual mandate is all well and good, but no one has yet addressed the “well-regulated” part of the 2nd Amendment. They focus purely on the “militia” part and the “right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” part.

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Belafon Feb 21, 2018 • 7:28:20pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

Of course not. Ripley has killed aliens.

— (((IntheNumbers))) (@ItsNumbersMan) February 22, 2018

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:28:22pm

re: #103 allegro

Dana talking about how she’s a mom. The militia is the whole of the people. That’s it.

She’s not a good mom. She cares more about guns than her kids.

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:28:40pm

Teacher: how is he well regulated?

Dana: he shouldn’t have had a fire arm. Dana martyr because audience isn’t having her bullshit.

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JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:28:52pm

Dana Loesch’s @NRA makes racist videos endorsing guns as a way to protect against white genocide. Listen to her like you would listen to any other neo-Nazi. #CNNTownHall

— Jessie doesn’t need a tax break Losch❄️ (@JessieLosch) February 22, 2018

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Ace Rothstein Feb 21, 2018 • 7:29:04pm

She is an awful representative of her organization.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe. Feb 21, 2018 • 7:29:09pm

re: #111 allegro

Teacher: how is he well regulated?

Dana: he shouldn’t have had a fire arm. Dana martyr because audience isn’t having her bullshit.

She’s right, he shouldn’t, but what is she going to do to stop future incarnations of him from having them? Answer: NOTHING.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:29:17pm

re: #111 allegro

Teacher: how is he well regulated?

Dana: he shouldn’t have had a fire arm. Dana martyr because audience isn’t having her bullshit.

Yet he did DUE to lax laws YOU support.

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:29:23pm

Now she’s trying to lay the responsibility on the SHeriff.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:29:41pm

re: #112 JordanRules

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She is a racist twat.

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 7:29:44pm

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:29:52pm

re: #116 allegro

Now she’s trying to lay the responsibility on the SHeriff.

Coward.

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Anymouse 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 7:29:56pm

re: #62 gocart mozart

Wow, this Chavez guy seems an awful lot like either a (brainless idiot) or a (foreign troll).

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gocart mozart Feb 21, 2018 • 7:30:49pm

These kids could teach a class called Follow Up Questions

— Preet Bharara (@PreetBharara) February 22, 2018

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:31:00pm

Isreal: we do need to have some gun control reform. Auto rifles should be outlawed forever. NRA we’re calling BS.

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JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:31:04pm

Dana Loesch is literally the public spokeswoman for the NRA. Showing up at this event is her job. No cookies for her, either — she doesn’t get credit for doing what she’s supposed to do.

— Amanda Litman (@amandalitman) February 22, 2018

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Ace Rothstein Feb 21, 2018 • 7:31:15pm

This sheriff needs to run for President. He’d crush Trump.

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nines09 Feb 21, 2018 • 7:31:16pm

re: #113 Ace Rothstein

She is an awful representative of her organization.

She IS THE ORGANIZATION. That’s THEM.

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goddamnedfrank Feb 21, 2018 • 7:31:56pm

re: #104 Anymouse 🌹

One could make an argument that a revolver is a semi-automatic. (While it doesn’t eject a cartridge, the cylinder moves to put a new cartridge under the firing pin.)

It’s a repeater, like a lever action, bolt, etc. Now Belafon’s suggestion that a separate action should be required from pulling the trigger is a good one, meaning that the only legal revolvers should be single action where you have to cock the hammer manually. You could also ban swing out cylinders, which are exclusively found on double action revolvers anyway, requiring rounds to be fed into and out of the cylinder one at a time.

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jaunte Feb 21, 2018 • 7:32:02pm

GREAT QUESTION to @DLoesch from teacher: What is your definition of a well-regulated militia and using details explain how an 18-year old with a military rifle is well-regulated. Our nation is going to grade your answer.”

— Karoli (@Karoli) February 22, 2018

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:32:20pm

Dana going for the “brutally raped”. Can’t defend themselves. Please.

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Anymouse 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 7:32:32pm

re: #103 allegro

Dana talking about how she’s a mom. The militia is the whole of the people. That’s it.

Okay fine, you could define the militia that way (the law says men 18-45). Where’s the “well regulated” part?

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:32:43pm

re: #128 allegro

Dana going for the “brutally raped”. Can’t defend themselves. Please.

Coward.

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Decatur Deb Feb 21, 2018 • 7:33:07pm

The NRA would shit if we even suggested controlling weapons as tightly as any military installation.

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Ace Rothstein Feb 21, 2018 • 7:33:42pm

Dana Loesch has never heard of pepper spray.

— B. 📎 (@knicks148) February 22, 2018

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:34:34pm

re: #132 Ace Rothstein

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How the hell is a gun supposed to stop a date rape? She has no idea what most rapes are like.

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JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:34:50pm

re: #128 allegro

Dana going for the “brutally raped”. Can’t defend themselves. Please.

She’s gross.

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Charles Johnson Feb 21, 2018 • 7:35:15pm

Episode 8 has dropped, featuring a distinct lack of @Ugarles and 30% more hell dude, providing the answer to the age-old question: what do Michael Cohen, The Slender Man, and Chuck Johnson have in common? https://t.co/hI7myeWLqd

— Mic Dicta (@Mic_Dicta) February 21, 2018

They start ripping chunks out of Chuck C. Johnson at about 50 minutes in.

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Skip Intro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:35:36pm

The NRA’s sole purpose is to get people to buy more guns. Every massacre does just that. That’s what soulless people like Dana do for a living.

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jaunte Feb 21, 2018 • 7:35:59pm

When Loesch (quite condescendingly) told Gonzalez that she could grow up to be like her, did anyone else hear someone in the crowd yell, “If we live that long!”

These teens are not here to be talked down to.

— Emct (@eileenmct14) February 22, 2018

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:36:04pm

re: #136 Skip Intro

The NRA’s sole purpose is to get people to buy more guns. Every massacre does just that. That’s what soulless people like Dana do for a living.

Absolutely correct.

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Citizen K Feb 21, 2018 • 7:36:21pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

How the hell is a gun supposed to stop a date rape? She has no idea what most rapes are like.

Not to mention just how fucking often a gun owned by a victim of sexual assault or domestic abuse ends up turned right on them by their attackers/abusers.

A gun is not a magic talisman of security that imbues its owners with unerring judgment and aim. It is not an icon of pure security, no matter how much the NRA insists it is.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:36:44pm

re: #137 jaunte

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:36:46pm

Mom of killed daughter asking question of Dana: I’m tired of people doing nothing…. rambling about security measures… and rambling… WHAT IS YOUR ACTION?

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Citizen K Feb 21, 2018 • 7:37:05pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

Why would anyone want to grow up to be a hateful witch like Dana Loesch?

Because it pays. It pays real well, apparently.

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JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:37:14pm

These teenagers in Florida are about to guide this country toward a better day. Meanwhile I can’t find my damn car keys.

— George Wallace (@MrGeorgeWallace) February 22, 2018

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Ace Rothstein Feb 21, 2018 • 7:37:22pm

re: #136 Skip Intro

Also when a black Democrat serves as President for eight years, sales skyrocket.

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Skip Intro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:37:25pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

How the hell is a gun supposed to stop a date rape? She has no idea what most rapes are like.

Like teachers, you have to have them in your hand at all times and be ready to shoot in a split second.

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goddamnedfrank Feb 21, 2018 • 7:37:38pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

How the hell is a gun supposed to stop a date rape? She has no idea what most rapes are like.

Always keep gun in vagina.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:37:45pm

re: #142 Citizen K

Because it pays. It pays real well, apparently.

Yeah but Emma’s a decent kid.

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JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:37:53pm

When asked what the NRA plans to do to prevent people like the Parkland gunman from getting firearms, Loesch said: “We need to follow up on red flags.” But in most states, police often can do nothing to prevent troubled people from possessing guns. https://t.co/Kf6bRcWRM1

— The Trace (@teamtrace) February 22, 2018

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:38:26pm

Dana: It’s up to schools and parents. Blah blah. Check point systems, reinforcing doors, that’s what NRA supports. Nothing about guns.

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 7:38:53pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

Why would anyone want to grow up to be a hateful witch like Dana Loesch?

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:38:57pm

Isreal: Doesn;t work. Gotta do something different. Less guns on our streets. Not more.

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Scottish Dragon Feb 21, 2018 • 7:39:16pm

re: #146 goddamnedfrank

Always keep gun in vagina.

Vagina dentata is a real problem for date rape….

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gocart mozart Feb 21, 2018 • 7:39:26pm

Loesch also says that she “speaks for the NRA” when she says she supports “stronger background checks.” Quoting from the NRA website: “NRA opposes expanding firearm background check systems.” pic.twitter.com/8pZ6tgCP7U

— ana marie cox (@anamariecox) February 22, 2018

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Jason Munro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:39:29pm

re: #149 allegro

100% BS. She almost pulled a Rubio

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JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:39:32pm

Well, that’s awkward. pic.twitter.com/uPzNieyfUD

— Gary Legum (@GaryLegum) February 22, 2018

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:39:35pm

re: #148 JordanRules

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They can do nothing because people like you cry it’s like Nazi Germany. If Cruz wasn’t able to buy a gun, Dana would be on Twitter crying about how a patriotic Trump supporter was denied a gun.

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GlutenFreeJesus Feb 21, 2018 • 7:39:36pm

re: #113 Ace Rothstein

She is an awful representative of her organization.

No. She’s perfect.

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:40:03pm

Dana: Pounding BG checks. Red flags. Follow up on red flags. Blah blah. Nothing about guns.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:40:12pm

re: #153 gocart mozart

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Stupid liar.

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JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:40:52pm

My annual reminder: The precedent shows that confiscatory/penal gun reforms will always be used disproportionately against black people, ESPECIALLY in regards to mental health prohibitions

— de bleck penta (@fivefifths) February 22, 2018

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Charles Johnson Feb 21, 2018 • 7:41:09pm

Iframe

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calochortus Feb 21, 2018 • 7:41:30pm

A friend of mine from South Africa recently asked me what it was with America and guns. She said lots of South Africans have guns because of crime rates, but they don’t talk about them all the time like we do. Naturally I was no help because I don’t worship firearms.

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JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:41:32pm

In some instances you can’t rent a car until 25 but you don’t mind a 20 year-old having a gun in her dorm. Ok, Dana.

— #TeamKillmonger. (@thewayoftheid) February 22, 2018

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jaunte Feb 21, 2018 • 7:41:53pm

This crowd is hostile. Do the kids speak to their parents and teachers with the same level of disrespect?

— toddstarnes (@toddstarnes) February 22, 2018

How quaint that some folks are more concerned about kids speaking respectfully than the fact that 17 kids were slaughtered with an assault rifle.#StudentsStandUp https://t.co/S1htXAC8Xb

— Ted Lieu (@tedlieu) February 22, 2018

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Skip Intro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:41:58pm

re: #158 allegro

Dana: Pounding BG checks. Red flags. Follow up on red flags. Blah blah. Nothing about guns.

What were the red flags the Las Vegas shooter triggered? I’ve forgotten.

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Dr. Matt Feb 21, 2018 • 7:42:16pm

Dana is a fucking animal.

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Belafon Feb 21, 2018 • 7:42:26pm

re: #163 JordanRules

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My 20 year old couldn’t rent a hotel room.

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Belafon Feb 21, 2018 • 7:43:11pm

re: #164 jaunte

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Learning something new every day Starnes has blocked me.

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Skip Intro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:43:23pm

re: #167 Belafon

The NRA wants no age limit for purchasing guns.

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:43:30pm

Question: Why didn’t the FBI follow up on tips? Etc.

Tapper: FBI was invited. Declined.

Isreal: Changes have to be made by law makers. Asking lawmakers to give police more power, Baker act, if circumstances dictate they should be allowed to take firearms and commit them.

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jaunte Feb 21, 2018 • 7:43:43pm

All this talk of arming teachers is a reminder of what happened to one employee of the Saint Paul (MN) Public School System who had a concealed carry permit.

RIP Philando Castile https://t.co/pTyDOh8FdV

— Franklin Leonard (@franklinleonard) February 21, 2018

Well, they didn’t mean non-white teachers.

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calochortus Feb 21, 2018 • 7:44:03pm

re: #164 jaunte

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Well you see, back when kids were respectful (which would have been when, I wonder?) no one took AR-whatevers and shot up schools.
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Decatur Deb Feb 21, 2018 • 7:44:15pm

re: #164 jaunte

This crowd is hostile. Do the kids speak to their parents and teachers with the same level of disrespect?

The kids are speaking like combat veterans, because they are.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:44:18pm

re: #164 jaunte

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Respect? Like you respected them when you implied they were paid by Soros or how about how you treated Obama. Fuck off Todd.

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Ace Rothstein Feb 21, 2018 • 7:44:39pm

Lash is now trying to blame the sheriff. What a despicable…

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Dr. Matt Feb 21, 2018 • 7:45:00pm

Dana is attacking Blue Lives.

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:45:01pm

Dana bullshitting about threats from the kid. Blah Blah. They are letting her distract.

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Skip Intro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:45:15pm

re: #175 Ace Rothstein

Lash is now trying to blame the sheriff. What a despicable…

Very Trump-like.

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JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:45:17pm

re: #165 Skip Intro

What were the red flags the Las Vegas shooter triggered? I’ve forgotten.

QFT!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 21, 2018 • 7:45:23pm

still a moron

I will always remember the time I spent today with courageous students, teachers and families. So much love in the midst of so much pain. We must not let them down. We must keep our children safe!!

Full Listening Session: https://t.co/x5VenyQX5p pic.twitter.com/CAPfX5odIp

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 22, 2018

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The Ghost of a Flea Feb 21, 2018 • 7:46:05pm

The NRA is only partially about the right to bear arms.

The bulk of their efforts are directed at redefining self-defense, breaking down societal mechanisms that critique and analyze firearm use both in efficacy and morality, and creating a cultural understanding of “crime” as a thing done by outsiders and misfits.

That’s what they spend all their money and words on, and what flavors their draft legislation, and which sets the parameters of their language and programming and talking points. The NRA is a reactionary organization posing as a civil liberty organization. They’ve made the gun another pillar of “tradition” and “the way things were” just as fictive and load-less as “church” and “family.” Their romantic idyll of the past demonizes formal social order—federalism, bureaucracy, jurisdiction, set standards of conduct—and lionizes an implicit social order defined by hoary-but-substanceless notions like “local control,” “honor,” “self determination.”

And implicit social systems rot faster and deeper than ones with rules and accountability…that’s the appeal. The moral ethos of the sundown town and the rotten borough. The sheriff as fixer in local intrigue and enforcer of the social hierarchy. Law as nudge-and-wink, under-the-table coordination. These are not mysterious things that have to be winnowed out of their language. Any—any—assessment of the smugness in the face of mortal harm, the excitement about the idea of getting to unleash rough justice on unwanted kinds (inevitably, sounding much like The Turner Diaries in the process). Their spokespeople—angry, disdainful, specifically teasing the notion of violence as redress for criticism—didn’t appear out of the ether. They built that culture, year after year.

US gun culture isn’t about guns, it’s just another front in the project of creating a society in which the privileged get to dictate terms at whim to their lessers. Which is why other people’s dead kids don’t rate. Why young black men always deserve it. Why cops are tyrants when they face toward white people and demand compliance but are heroes when they arbitrarily tread on black people. In the end, nobody fucking matters as much as their—The self-appointed Elect—feeling of assurance and pleasure in power.

One of the last times I posted a link about gun-rights issues, it was in reference to lobbying efforts against attempts to confiscate firearms from men accused of domestic abuse…and I think it’s the single best demonstration that the NRA and its murmuration of Ancient Pistol types could care less about anyone’s safety. To achieve the semblance of consistency of position—rather than just concede that their position is the whimsical exercise of violence for some, the passive acceptance of that rule for others—men that harm their wives and kids must retain access to weaponry so that they can protect their wives and kids.

It’s not about self-protection. It’s just another self-indulgent nihilism with a facade of tradition.

Libertines with pistols.

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gocart mozart Feb 21, 2018 • 7:46:41pm

Freedom’s Safest Place | The Violence Of Lies

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Backwoods_Sleuth Feb 21, 2018 • 7:46:47pm

.@DLoesch has a message for the @nytimes: “We’re coming for you.” One
non-#fakenews story is not enough. #NRA #ClenchedFistofTruth pic.twitter.com/Hm1QkJi5Tp

— NRATV (@NRATV) August 3, 2017

THIS is who CNN invited to the #CNNTownHall to debate Parkland gun violence survivors. No, really. https://t.co/hGdLqnaIEd

— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) February 22, 2018

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jaunte Feb 21, 2018 • 7:47:00pm

And making it to be easier to involuntarily commit people isn’t going to do much about mass shootings either. It WILL keep people from being open about their mental illness.

— ana marie cox (@anamariecox) February 22, 2018

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:47:01pm

ANother mother, her son was a teacher. ASking Dana, why are my son’s unalienable rights not as protected as the right to bear arms.

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jaunte Feb 21, 2018 • 7:47:33pm

that “crazy people” rhetoric is so dangerous. People who struggle with mental illness are more likely to harm themselves than others.

but no one wants to talk about their needs unless it’s to argue against gun control.

imagine how that feels.

— Wagatwe Wanjuki (@wagatwe) February 22, 2018

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:47:33pm

re: #182 gocart mozart

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She needs to own that shit for the rest of her time in public life.

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Skip Intro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:47:53pm

re: #182 gocart mozart

Dana’s not a who, she’s a what.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:48:23pm

re: #186 jaunte

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So true but Dana needs a scalegoat.

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JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:48:27pm

that “crazy people” rhetoric is so dangerous. People who struggle with mental illness are more likely to harm themselves than others.

but no one wants to talk about their needs unless it’s to argue against gun control.

imagine how that feels.

— Wagatwe Wanjuki (@wagatwe) February 22, 2018

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:48:31pm

Dana pretending compassion. All life should be protected. Good guys with guns protecting lives. This issue is about making sure we’re protecting innocent lives. Blah.

Mother not having it. Standing ovation.

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Jason Munro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:48:41pm

Good Guys With Guns For The Win! FFS

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dangerman Feb 21, 2018 • 7:48:48pm

re: #185 allegro

ANother mother, her son was a teacher. ASking Dana, why are my son’s unalienable rights not as protected as the right to bear arms.

I love when people use unalienable correctly

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:48:57pm

Dana going pedant. Audience booing.

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Ace Rothstein Feb 21, 2018 • 7:48:58pm

OH GOD DANA THE GUN PEDANT

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 Feb 21, 2018 • 7:49:02pm

President Donald Trump holds notes during a White House listening session with students and parents affected by school shootings. (AP Photo by Carolyn Kaster) pic.twitter.com/Z0lZbSVaoF

— AP Politics (@AP_Politics) February 21, 2018

Everyone is crapping on @realDonaldTrump for these notes but any halfway decent team would prepare a busy executive in a similar fashion. The preparation, in my view, is responsible and typical. Critique of this is out of control. @asymmetricinfo @BillKristol @jpodhoretz https://t.co/JeqlE82laL

— David Shaywitz (@DShaywitz) February 22, 2018

I disagree, David. I used to write speeches and prepare briefing books for a politician. I never had to hand him a note telling him to feign empathy, because he was, you know, a normal human being who didn’t need instructions about talking to other normal human beings. https://t.co/zZ6ZOEI2r8

— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) February 22, 2018

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:50:13pm

Isreal: Vote in people who feel the same way you do. Standing ovation.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Feb 21, 2018 • 7:50:15pm

another episode in Just How Dumb Are Wingnuts, Anyway??

proposition:
Everyone should be packing. Especially teachers in public schools. Not even debatable intellectually.

question:
what is an example of a country or society that works that way?

reply:
The USA not even a century ago. And all of human existence for thousands of years before that

i bet you didn’t know that humans have been carrying guns for thousands of years

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines Feb 21, 2018 • 7:50:28pm

The Puckle gun? For the love of God.

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goddamnedfrank Feb 21, 2018 • 7:50:31pm

The same loophole that governs gun show purchases from one private party (non FFL holder) to another in the 41 States that haven’t outlawed it.

— MC 555 nanometer Jesus (@goddamnedfrank) February 22, 2018

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JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:50:37pm

We talk a lot about who the NRA funds but not enough about who funds the NRA. They are a lobbying group for gun manufacturers and therefore push for positions that lead to more guns being bought in this country.

— Dan Pfeiffer (@danpfeiffer) February 22, 2018

Because their market is hella limited in other countries.

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:50:43pm

Dana trying for the crazy guy, red flags bullshit again. Audience not buying.

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Ace Rothstein Feb 21, 2018 • 7:50:52pm

re: #197 allegro

Dim Jim will have his voting record doxxed.

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Jason Munro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:51:12pm

Oh snap. This sheriff is cutting through the shit. Dana responds by dissing LEO

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:51:38pm

Dana did not go over well. Didn’t succeed. At. All.

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jaunte Feb 21, 2018 • 7:52:00pm

Everyone wants to classify everything as a “mental health issue” so it absolves people of responsibility for their own actions.

— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) May 27, 2014

There is always a tweet. https://t.co/pIGL90Z0GS

— Charles P. Pierce (@CharlesPPierce) February 22, 2018

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JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:52:00pm

The NRA opposes strengthening the federal background check system. She is lying to our faces to protect gun manufacturer profits. #CNNTownHall #StudentsStandUp

— John Iadarola (@johniadarola) February 22, 2018

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Belafon Feb 21, 2018 • 7:52:25pm

re: #196 FormerDirtDart

It’s On The Cards | Under The Lake | Doctor Who Series 9

The difference, though, is the Doctor is an actual alien.

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Skip Intro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:52:38pm

re: #205 allegro

Dana did not go over well. Didn’t succeed. At. All.

She’s off to CPAC to be with her people and be treated as a goddess.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:52:46pm

re: #205 allegro

Dana did not go over well. Didn’t succeed. At. All.

Good. I guess the NRA was just her safe space and not freedom’s.

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Decatur Deb Feb 21, 2018 • 7:53:59pm

re: #209 Skip Intro

She’s off to CPAC to be with her people and be treated as a goddess.

Dana is past her “use-by” date.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:54:05pm

re: #209 Skip Intro

She’s off to CPAC to be with her people and be treated as a goddess.

Aka her safe space. She’ll regard them with tales of how she stood up to “elites.”

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teleskiguy Feb 21, 2018 • 7:54:56pm

#PhilandoCastile was executed by a cop after telling him he had a legal registered gun. NRA did not defend his 2nd Amendment rights. @DLoesch blamed him for his own death because he had pot. And here she is tonight defending the “rights” of mass murderers. https://t.co/GDCKn2P6ru

— Billy Corben (@BillyCorben) February 22, 2018

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Belafon Feb 21, 2018 • 7:54:57pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

Aka her safe space. She’ll regard them with tales of how she stood up to “elites.”

And when she does, people will splice those comments with what happened tonight.

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Skip Intro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:55:23pm

Wayne LaPierre is going to be blowing out so much spittle at the big NRA do that they’re going to need pumps to keep the saliva level down.

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stpaulbear Feb 21, 2018 • 7:55:40pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
I will always remember the time I spent today with courageous students, teachers and families…

Except for, like, their names and their stories.

What he’ll remember is that he got caught with a note in his hand reminding him to say that he was listening. He’ll be furiously tweeting about it before morning.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:55:52pm

re: #213 teleskiguy

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Exactly. She and her rotten organization are frauds.

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Skip Intro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:56:19pm

re: #211 Decatur Deb

Dana is past her “use-by” date.

Not this year. Both hubby and her are honored guests.

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:56:25pm

The eyeball waterfall with a poem written by a kid killed read by his father.

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gocart mozart Feb 21, 2018 • 7:56:43pm

Thread on politicizing children. I offered some thoughts on this on an interview in Denver last night, and want to share them here. Don’t be surprised at what you’re seeing, and expect to see more of it. A lot more.

— Steve Deace (@SteveDeaceShow) February 20, 2018

Here is a thread by a broken human so completely brainwashed and marinated in its own propaganda that it is unable to feel empathy for children who just watched their friends murdered. https://t.co/Yzq3Od7Cg3

— Floppy Boot Stomp (@the_edwin_mix) February 21, 2018

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Decatur Deb Feb 21, 2018 • 7:56:45pm

It would be nice to think that MSD is a representative American school, and these are typical American kids.

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 7:57:23pm

NOw a song written and performed by the kids.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:57:43pm

re: #220 gocart mozart

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I knew kids much younger than this that were sent by their schools to protest Roe. Didn’t see right wingers object to that.

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JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 7:58:11pm

Her rape defense hero fiction is appalling.

Fact checking Dana Loesch. Women are more likely to die by domestic violence or sexual assault if they own a firearm. It does not make them safer. It puts them at greater risk. https://t.co/a4PvrfXMCE

— Kelly Ellis (@justkelly_ok) February 22, 2018

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 7:58:26pm

re: #221 Decatur Deb

It would be nice to think that MSD is a representative American school, and these are typical American kids.

I’d say in the affirmative they are. They’re good kids with good teachers and parents.

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TedStriker Feb 21, 2018 • 7:58:55pm

re: #137 jaunte

When Loesch (quite condescendingly) told Gonzalez that she could grow up to be like her, did anyone else hear someone in the crowd yell, “If we live that long!”

These teens are not here to be talked down to.

— Emct (@eileenmct14) February 22, 2018

Also, who in their fucking right minds would want to be like Dana “MuhGunz” Loesch?

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Decatur Deb Feb 21, 2018 • 7:59:24pm

re: #218 Skip Intro

Not this year. Both hubby and her are honored guests.

She’s on verge of becoming a venerable Grande Dame of gun worship.

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 8:00:06pm

These kids are tearing me up. Amazing kids.

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jaunte Feb 21, 2018 • 8:00:35pm

re: #224 JordanRules

I seem to be blocked by Kelly Ellis. I don’t know who she is.

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Anymouse 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 8:00:42pm

re: #221 Decatur Deb

It would be nice to think that MSD is a representative American school, and these are typical American kids.

It will be. The message is getting out that conservatives don’t want any child in a school to be safe.

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 8:01:30pm

Need moar wine. And moar tissues.

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Scottish Dragon Feb 21, 2018 • 8:01:35pm

re: #219 allegro

The eyeball waterfall with a poem written by a kid killed read by his father.

I started crying.

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jaunte Feb 21, 2018 • 8:01:58pm

I was a Marine Infantryman and also went to Columbine High School. Using my knowledge of both, my guess on what it would take to prevent kids from being killed on 4/20/99: at least 20 Armed Marines (And it’s still a maybe). And that’s somehow “common sense”? #VetsForGunReform

— Daniel Riley (@Dcwriley) February 18, 2018

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The Ghost of a Flea Feb 21, 2018 • 8:02:42pm

re: #181 The Ghost of a Flea

And I’m not being a flappy ponce with language with that last line.

The single best explanation for all these fucking idiots posing with guns, making up gun-use fan-fic, doing stupid stupid things with tools designed to kill…is that these are not at all serious people. They’re just fucking having fun, feeling powerful, feeling the erotic frisson of “yeah, I could kill some shit…let’s go shoot a bleeding 3-D target shaped like a woman sold under the product name ‘The Ex’.”

It even explains the simultaneous vomit-wave of pedantry—Ia! Ia ! Clip versus magazine—and the can’t-wipe-their-asses pageant of fucking up trigger discipline, shooting at shit full of tannerite, not storing their weapons properly…the entire clown orgy of incompetence and no-shit-giving that continually racks up a body count. Pageantry has replaced competence.

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JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 8:03:03pm

re: #229 jaunte

She probably uses an auto blocker.

Her Twitter bio:

feminist, nerd, software engineer • #Repeal2A • (link: ko-fi.com) ko-fi.com • @justkelly_ok@mastodon.social • TW: I tweet about sexual violence • she/her

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 8:03:05pm

re: #233 jaunte

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Thank you Dan.

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jaunte Feb 21, 2018 • 8:05:08pm

re: #235 JordanRules

Ah, I wondered. No problem.

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Kragar Feb 21, 2018 • 8:05:15pm

First it was security cameras.

The shootings continued.

Then metal detectors.

More gunfire.

Advanced security measures.

Shootings increased.

Blockading classroom doors.

More massacres.

Now Kevlar vests, thicker walls & arming teachers?

The problem is guns, not security.

— jordan (@JordanUhl) February 22, 2018

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calochortus Feb 21, 2018 • 8:05:32pm

re: #234 The Ghost of a Flea

And I’m not being a flappy ponce with language with that last line.

The single best explanation for all these fucking idiots posing with guns, making up gun-use fan-fic, doing stupid stupid things with tools designed to kill…is that these are not at all serious people. They’re just fucking having fun, feeling powerful, feeling the erotic frisson of “yeah, I could kill some shit…let’s go shoot a bleeding 3-D target shaped like a woman sold under the product name ‘The Ex’.”

It even explains the simultaneous vomit-wave of pedantry—Ia! Ia ! Clip versus magazine—and the can’t-wipe-their-asses pageant of fucking up trigger discipline, shooting at shit full of tannerite, not storing their weapons properly…the entire clown orgy of incompetence and no-shit-giving that continually racks up a body count. Pageantry has replaced competence.

Pageantry has always impressed the masses. Participating in the pageantry can be a rush for many people. Maybe they could just participate in fancy dress parades (Mummers maybe?) instead of messing around with guns.

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TedStriker Feb 21, 2018 • 8:05:53pm

re: #137 jaunte

When Loesch (quite condescendingly) told Gonzalez that she could grow up to be like her, did anyone else hear someone in the crowd yell, “If we live that long!”

These teens are not here to be talked down to.

— Emct (@eileenmct14) February 22, 2018

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teleskiguy Feb 21, 2018 • 8:06:29pm

re: #146 goddamnedfrank

Always keep gun in vagina.

What if the man is also packing?

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JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 8:06:43pm

Women are overwhelmingly hurt by guns, not helped. More domestic violence murders are committed with guns than with all other weapons combined. A huge risk factor for abused women is whether or not there’s a gun in the home.

— Jessica Valenti (@JessicaValenti) February 22, 2018

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Anymouse 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 8:07:11pm

Politicians fire up and/or disregard young people at their peril. Remember the battle for civil rights. How about the protests to end the Vietnam War? #IStandWithTheKids #GunControlNow

— crookshanks (@lighthousegae) February 22, 2018

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 8:07:21pm

re: #242 JordanRules

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That’s a damn good point.

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jaunte Feb 21, 2018 • 8:07:27pm

re: #240 TedStriker

They certainly seem to understand the bullshit they’re hearing is in fact bullshit.

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 8:08:48pm

re: #242 JordanRules

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If I had been able to get to my gun the night I was raped and used it, I would have spent the rest of my life in prison.

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jaunte Feb 21, 2018 • 8:09:08pm

I was a Marine Infantryman and also went to Columbine High School. Using my knowledge of both, my guess on what it would take to prevent kids from being killed on 4/20/99: at least 20 Armed Marines (And it’s still a maybe). And that’s somehow “common sense”? #VetsForGunReform

— Daniel Riley (@Dcwriley) February 18, 2018

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jaunte Feb 21, 2018 • 8:09:32pm

Sorry, I meant this one:

So is her solution a law saying that “insane monsters” cannot buy assault weapons, but everybody else can? And how does her “insane monster” test work?
Idiocy.

NRA spokesperson: ‘Insane monster’ shouldn’t have been able to get firearm @CNNPolitics https://t.co/PehFqrGIKY

— Richard W. Painter (@RWPUSA) February 22, 2018

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Skip Intro Feb 21, 2018 • 8:10:42pm

re: #238 Kragar

Does no one remember “bullet proof” backpacks?

Turns out they’re worthless against a weapon like an AR-15.

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jaunte Feb 21, 2018 • 8:11:28pm

Dana has probably gone to the range at the same time as several insane monsters without knowing it.

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JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 8:12:31pm

The most consistent “red flag” in mass shootings isn’t mental illness.

It’s domestic violence.

Allowing Loesch to blame gun violence on “crazy people” is afactual, misleading, and doesn’t grapple with the real challenge in any meaningful way.

— Dan Lavoie (@djlavoie) February 22, 2018

We’ve got to make this connection.

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Kragar Feb 21, 2018 • 8:14:00pm

As someone who campaigned hard for Hillary Clinton from one end of this country to another, it is an outrage that she had to run against not only Donald Trump but also the Russian government.

— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) February 21, 2018

“As someone who campaigned hard for Hillary Clinton”

You can just stop right fucking there. https://t.co/BIFFVjrbq8

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) February 22, 2018

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Patricia Kayden Feb 21, 2018 • 8:14:06pm

re: #112 JordanRules

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This!

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Skip Intro Feb 21, 2018 • 8:14:20pm

NRA opposes new age limits on gun purchases

thehill.com

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Anymouse 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 8:14:21pm

Arming everyone is the obvious solution for kids. This is why war zones are famed for their safety.

— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) February 22, 2018

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The Ghost of a Flea Feb 21, 2018 • 8:14:40pm

re: #239 calochortus

Pageantry has always impressed the masses. Participating in the pageantry can be a rush for many people. Maybe they could just participate in fancy dress parades (Mummers maybe?) instead of messing around with guns.

These people are into power, that’s what gets them off. That’s the appeal of guns. Power to kill, power to frighten, power to coerce. Take every fantasy they compose, verbal or written or cinematographic, and it comes down to that personal ability to exercise total power over another person.

Hence why gun-having isn’t enough. They have to demand deference for being gun-havers.

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teleskiguy Feb 21, 2018 • 8:14:46pm

re: #250 jaunte

She is an insane monster.

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Belafon Feb 21, 2018 • 8:15:30pm

re: #252 Kragar

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I chose to ignore him.

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JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 8:15:41pm

re: #246 allegro

Yes.
I’m disgusted by her going there.

When women and girls do shoot in the VICINITY of their abusers they risk imprisonment. See Marissa Alexander’s case. Bresha Meadows.

When DV and rape victims use guns to defend themselves, they wind up #SurvivedAndPunished

— Sophie Ellman-Golan (@EgSophie) February 22, 2018

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makeitstop Feb 21, 2018 • 8:16:47pm

I figured Loesch wouldn’t cut it. She’s a hothouse flower, used to talking at people and able to cut them off at will. Put her in a live environment where she has to actually interact with intelligent humans and she’ll expose how essentially useless she is when her talking points can be challenged.

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Patricia Kayden Feb 21, 2018 • 8:17:16pm

re: #254 Skip Intro

NRA opposes new age limits on gun purchases

thehill.com

The NRA opposes every thing. Their opposition shouldn’t control the entire country. We’re not all members of the NRA. Their influence is way out of proportion.

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Anymouse 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 8:18:04pm

MSD HS @USArmy and now, @WestPoint_USMA student Pvt. Peter Wang, who scarficed himself so that others may live, receives Taps. pic.twitter.com/zpKHFfua7R

— James LaPorta (@JimLaPorta) February 20, 2018

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 8:18:47pm

re: #259 JordanRules

Yes.
I’m disgusted by her going there.

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Yeah, I go pretty ballistic (pun intended) when I hear that. My rapist was a lawyer, a real up-and-comer, who actually laughed as he told me there was nothing I could do as he was raping me. No one would ever believe me.

I knew he was right.

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jaunte Feb 21, 2018 • 8:21:05pm

The NRA also lobbied for — and got passed — a regulation that requires the records of a background check to be destroyed after 24 hours, which means the NICS system *can never be audited,* and federal agencies can’t ever follow up on anyone that is improperly approved. pic.twitter.com/NkVfYHmy5a

— ana marie cox (@anamariecox) February 22, 2018

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Interesting Times Feb 21, 2018 • 8:21:53pm

re: #259 JordanRules

Yes.
I’m disgusted by her going there.

And just so you’re prepared in advance, here’s a case ammosexuals often drag out to support that premise…but there’s a catch:

“He was restraining me with both of his hands and the gun was across my chest and I just took my left hand and I started just pushing it away from me.”

Mira started trying to push him off with her hands and feet, using some martial arts and self-defense techniques that she had learned years before.

“Do you want to die?” he asked.

At that point, something snapped and she sprung into action, Mira said. In what she described as something like “a dream state,” she wrestled the .38-caliber revolver away from her 170-pound attacker and and rolled him onto the floor. She fired three shots at the man, striking him twice in the upper torso.

She had no firearm of her own, and she sure as hell wouldn’t have had time to retrieve it if she did - she used martial arts and self-defense training to take his gun away from him.

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JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 8:22:08pm

…it may come down to picking a poison. which is worse, a confiscatory/penal policy with some likely biased enforcement or no such policy at all? (assume biased enforcement isn’t something solvable in the meantime)

— Matunos (@matunos) February 22, 2018

Quote tweeting so i don’t have to say it again, but I think this is a false choice, informed by our default penal thinking. Treating gun violence truly as a public health issue gives us quite a few options that aren’t dealing with strengthening a carceral state vs doing nothing https://t.co/Z1f6nozwxT

— de bleck penta (@fivefifths) February 22, 2018

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jaunte Feb 21, 2018 • 8:24:24pm

Temporarily got off Facebook because there’s no character count so the death threats from the @NRA cultists are a bit more graphic than those on twitter. Will be back when I have the time for it. Busy getting my feelings hurt by fellow teenagers at Br**tb*rt

— Cameron Kasky (@cameron_kasky) February 21, 2018

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 8:26:57pm

re: #267 jaunte

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Cameron Kasky is a name to watch for in the future. That kid has a future.

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Interesting Times Feb 21, 2018 • 8:26:59pm

re: #267 jaunte

That was “wouldn’t worry much”. And do screen shot them and forward them to the FBI and to us. You all have millions of supporters

— Howard Dean (@GovHowardDean) February 21, 2018

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TedStriker Feb 21, 2018 • 8:28:36pm

re: #267 jaunte

I have to say, these high school survivors are impressing the hell out of me so far.

As Shakespeare wrote in Twelfth Night, or What You Will, “Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon ‘em.”; this definitely falls under “h[as] greatness thrust upon ‘em.”

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Patricia Kayden Feb 21, 2018 • 8:31:59pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

She’s outside her rightwing bubble. Poor dear.

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GlutenFreeJesus Feb 21, 2018 • 8:32:53pm

GayewayPundit, no doubt: BREAKING: RUBIO/LOESCH OWN BRATTY DISRESPECTFUL KIDS WHO WANT TO TAKE YOUR GUNS!

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Anymouse 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 8:34:56pm

Peter Wang with Hero’s Medal and Posthumous West Point Acceptance Is Laid to Rest (goes to Stars and Stripes, more at the link):

Peter Wang’s final act of heroism - holding the door so his classmates could escape the former student shooting up their school - inspired people from around the world.

His friends and family said the bravery during the attack on Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School last week was a natural act for the 15-year-old U.S. Army Junior Reserve Officers’ Training Corps cadet, who was always quick with a joke and eager to help others.

Strangers sent his family military patches and coins, the U.S. Army awarded him a Medal of Heroism, the U.S. Military Academy at West Point (his dream school) posthumously accepted him, and veterans from around the state showed up to pay their respects at his funeral Tuesday afternoon.

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Belafon Feb 21, 2018 • 8:35:08pm

re: #272 GlutenFreeJesus

Let him write that, so we can point and laugh.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 Feb 21, 2018 • 8:36:26pm

In Baghdad, our Division Commander @Martin_Dempsey started a tradition of saying “make it matter” every time a soldier made the ultimate sacrifice. It reminded us to carry on the fight.

The young men and women of #MSD are making it matter in a huge way.

— Mark Hertling (@MarkHertling) February 22, 2018

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 Feb 21, 2018 • 8:39:54pm

Heck, according to US law Dana Loesch, unless she is currently a member of the National Guard, is not a member of the “Militia”
10 U.S.C. § 311

— WB Young (@FormerDirtDart) February 22, 2018

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 Feb 21, 2018 • 8:42:13pm

.@DLoesch claims guns can reduce domestic violence — the literal opposite is true. Presence of a gun in a domestic-violence situation increases the risk of homicide by 500 percent https://t.co/Kjulzl9cHm

— Jerry Iannelli (@jerryiannelli) February 22, 2018

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 Feb 21, 2018 • 8:42:40pm

At the @cnn town hall, @nra representative @dloesch criticized that states only *voluntarily* submit records into the nation’s background check system.

Well… the NRA’s lawyers helped set that precedent in the Supreme Court’s 1997 Printz v US decision. pic.twitter.com/Ykw6tCcx9C

— Jose Pagliery (@Jose_Pagliery) February 22, 2018

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CleverToad Feb 21, 2018 • 8:42:43pm

(CL’d big time, was back on the LAST really long thread… Pardon the repeat)

Wish it were an OT:
My college freshman son who should have gotten out of his Physics class at 9 pm just texted me. Not to say he was heading for the light rail, as normal. To say he and two friends are in friend’s car, just left campus and heading to a nearby grocery store ‘to regroup.’ Because they left in a hurry, because there was an announcement: “There is an emergency on campus. Evacuate immediately.”

Says that’s all he knows. Says he’s safe.

Waiting for the next text, with my blood pressure rising.

(Now back to comment #256 of the previous thread! as I try to catch up on this very long ~~thread~~ day. I wasn’t going sleep well tonight anyway.)

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Kragar Feb 21, 2018 • 8:43:36pm

wait wait i seen this i know how this fight ends pic.twitter.com/mI3ttzapCV

— Zeddy (@Zeddary) February 22, 2018

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BlueGrl21 Feb 21, 2018 • 8:44:14pm

re: #271 Patricia Kayden

She’s outside her rightwing bubble. Poor dear.

I’m very open about my mental illness, specifically to fight the stigma. I am a successful professional with a husband of 23 years and two well-adjusted yet weird kids. Unless I told people they would have absolutely no idea I am bipolar…that’s why I do it. I want people to know “crazy” is not some abstract thing, they’re talking about me.

Watching and listening to Dana tonight is genuinely the first time in my life that I felt hated because I am mentally ill. That I felt a person would rather I didn’t exist. She is a horrible, horrible person.

Husband was furious. “Do you want me to turn this witch off?” “Nope. It makes me more determined.”

I don’t ever want her turned off. I want people to KNOW.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 Feb 21, 2018 • 8:44:50pm

Loner’s best friend ✒ https://t.co/PuiL50xbE6 pic.twitter.com/dlSz8OODr0

— The Nib (@thenib) February 22, 2018

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 Feb 21, 2018 • 8:45:34pm

.@DLoesch talking about local communities tailoring gun laws to fit them best is not allowed in the State of Florida. In fact, local officials trying to will go to jail, receive a $5000 fine and be removed from office. #StudentsStandUp

— James LaPorta (@JimLaPorta) February 22, 2018

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Kragar Feb 21, 2018 • 8:46:35pm

An #ArmedCitizen was in the right place at the right time, saving a mother and her daughter! #2A #NRA https://t.co/7ZeVAaP6Hf

— NRA (@NRA) February 20, 2018

An estranged husband was able to get his hands on a gun, then tried to murder his wife and children

and yet you fight against gun control laws to prevent men like him from getting guns.

Go crawl back in your hole. https://t.co/CFCnsA8Fgq

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) February 20, 2018

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JordanRules Feb 21, 2018 • 8:47:28pm

The music piece in this post is so on point.

What these children have worked at, confronted, accomplished and had to go through right after such a devastating and preventable tragedy is a lot. A lot.

Everyone should take some of the burden and help carry it forward to change.

Shout out to the Chicago kids, Dreamers, DAPL kids and BLM kids who have been carrying the weight too.

Hope and action.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 Feb 21, 2018 • 8:49:16pm

Strippers protest gun laws by pretending to sell AR-15 — and Tea Partier who gave away real AR-15 freaks out https://t.co/bYvmarn3wn

— Raw Story (@RawStory) February 22, 2018

“… “All stunts are meant to generate publicity, and I think this is kind of tragic with what happened in Florida in the school down there and what has happened in a number of schools over the past few years,” Republican candidate Joe Carr told the TV station. “It should not be minimized by sensational antics by a handful of women in front of a gentleman’s club.”

Carr has apparently changed his tune since June 2016, when he gave away an AR-15 rifle like the one used to kill 49 people and wound 53 others about three weeks earlier at a gay nightclub in Orlando. …”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 Feb 21, 2018 • 8:53:12pm

OK. completely off subject

Hell No

Facebook Video

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scottslemmons Feb 21, 2018 • 8:54:32pm

re: #287 FormerDirtDart

OK. completely off subject

Hell No

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Now I don’t mind pictures of spiders a bit, but you should probably hide that for the sake of any arachnophobes out there… :)

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines Feb 21, 2018 • 8:56:31pm

I look forward to Coach Dave trying this himself:

Dave Daubenmire faults the male students for not displaying “masculinity” by confronting the heavily armed gunman who killed more than a dozen students and facility during the Parkland school shooting. https://t.co/Ex47PzzDRU

— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) February 21, 2018

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 Feb 21, 2018 • 8:57:25pm

If an abundance of slaughter guns isn’t causing our disproportionate slaughter rate then (A) Americans are significantly more mentally ill than people in other countries, or (B) Americans have a significantly higher a$$hole quotient than other countries. Either way, we lose. pic.twitter.com/l3cNREHXE6

— Col. Morris Davis (@ColMorrisDavis) February 22, 2018

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Kragar Feb 21, 2018 • 9:01:16pm

Be proud that I taught them so well. #StudentsStandUp pic.twitter.com/Cd0KgrNXlG

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) February 22, 2018

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 9:02:26pm

re: #289 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I look forward to Coach Dave trying this himself:

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A reminder of what Doofy Dave’s son did. Probably because Daddy is such a religious nutcase…

dispatch.com

“I will not let you down or anyone who had faith in me,” Zachary Daubenmire told Judge Thomas Marcelain in Licking County Common Pleas Court.

Daubenmire, the 24-year-old son of Dave Daubenmire, appeared yesterday for a hearing on a felony charge of pandering obscenity involving a minor. He pleaded no contest and Marcelain found him guilty.

The judge fined him $1,000 plus court costs and told him he would serve two years in prison if he violates terms of his probation. Marcelain also designated Daubenmire as a sexually oriented offender.

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 9:05:32pm

I’d tell my child that I would be proud of them for putting that $3 million dollar NRA whore in his place! pic.twitter.com/Eemi3tw2vT

— josephebacon 🌹 (@josephebacon) February 22, 2018

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BlueGrl21 Feb 21, 2018 • 9:09:31pm

re: #291 Kragar

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No one HAS to respect ANYONE.

Respect has to be earned.

Case in point: I would love to be able to respect the person who holds the office of President. But, Trump. Therefore, I do not currently respect the office of the presidency.

Why is anyone owed respect considering who occupies the Oval Office?

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Anymouse 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 9:09:49pm

re: #293 Joe Bacon 🌹

Todd Starnes needs his so-called ratio hammered into dust.

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 9:12:42pm

re: #291 Kragar

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I saw none lectured to or ridiculed. Clearly, questioning the stances and opinions of elected officials who are Republican isn’t an acceptable practice to Starnes. Fuck him.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 9:13:33pm

re: #293 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Yawn. They hardly disrespected him. More like exposed him as an empty suit.

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Anymouse 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 9:13:58pm

House GOP Holding Background Checks Hostage to Demand Looser Gun Laws (goes to Wonkette):

Oh, yes, there’s also WORSE NEWS! For even Cornyn’s very weak reform to get support from rightwingers in the House, they’re demanding it be linked with adoption of a law requiring for “concealed carry reciprocity” — or a federal mandate that each state must respect every other state’s concealed carry permits, so everyone who lives in a state that “must issue” them licenses can carry their boom sticks around, say, the inner city of Chicago. As Politico notes, “Combining the two ideas would have the net effect of loosening gun controls.”

Reciprocity would mean that anyone could mail in for a CCW from the State of Utah (which allows that), pay a small fee, and be able to carry concealed with no training or testing anywhere in the country.

States’ rights out the window… .

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 9:15:07pm

re: #289 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I look forward to Coach Dave trying this himself:

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Something tells me Coach Shit For Brains has never been in a situation like that and I hope for his sake he never is.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 9:16:32pm

re: #286 FormerDirtDart

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Yeah gun raffles are only for Republican man babies trying be tough guys.

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sagehen Feb 21, 2018 • 9:17:25pm

re: #264 jaunte

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It also means that someone who buys 20 weapons in a month… doesn’t throw up any red flags.

But if I try to buy 20 bottles of cough syrup, or 20 bags of nitrite fertilizer… law enforcement will take notice. They will check me out.

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allegro Feb 21, 2018 • 9:17:46pm

re: #299 HappyWarrior

Something tells me Coach Shit For Brains has never been in a situation like that and I hope for his sake he never is.

I’m evil enough to wish that he would be in a situation like that with a video of him pissing himself and pleading to be the gunman’s bitch.

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BlueGrl21 Feb 21, 2018 • 9:17:56pm

re: #296 allegro

I saw none lectured to or ridiculed. Clearly, questioning the stances and opinions of elected officials who are Republican isn’t an acceptable practice to Starnes. Fuck him.

Same. There were a couple of times I flinched but it was more because the kids are so raw they don’t know how to control their emotions so they’d lose track of their argument…or they’d ramble and not ask a question. But adults did that too. It’s a lot to ask any of these people to know how to really land the punches they want to land. It’s only been a week. The kids are holding their own.

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scottslemmons Feb 21, 2018 • 9:18:15pm

re: #298 Anymouse 🌹

House GOP Holding Background Checks Hostage to Demand Looser Gun Laws (goes to Wonkette):

Reciprocity would mean that anyone could mail in for a CCW from the State of Utah (which allows that), pay a small fee, and be able to carry concealed with no training or testing anywhere in the country.

States’ rights out the window… .

That’s a giant fuck-you to anyone angry about the NRA’s support for mass shootings. Hell, by the time the next NRA convention rolls around, LaPierre’s going to be demanding members shoot up high schools to prove their loyalty.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 9:18:24pm

re: #301 sagehen

It also means that someone who buys 20 weapons in a month… doesn’t throw up any red flags.

But if I try to buy 20 bottles of cough syrup, or 20 bags of nitrite fertilizer… law enforcement will take notice. They will check me out.

Exactly. I hate to use this phrase because right wingers abuse it common sense.

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petesh Feb 21, 2018 • 9:19:59pm

… Mavis killed it, re-recorded or not. And so did everyone else on that stage….

There was some fixing up of the actual concert tracks (and movie — notably to remove a cocaine booger from Neil Young’s close-ups), but Mavis and co weren’t there at all. Apparently unsatisfied with one of the great live albums &/or blown out on coke, Robbie roped in the others to create a “Last Waltz Suite” which was filmed on a soundstage, no audience, and included this lovely track. The Band did do The Weight at the gig, but that performance was not included in the record; same is true of Evangeline — both have been bootlegged, and they’re not that bad; I’ll take a few bum notes for a live feel, but maybe that’s just me.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 9:20:04pm

re: #303 BlueGrl21

Same. There were a couple of times I flinched but it was more because the kids are so raw they don’t know how to control their emotions so they’d lose track of their argument…or they’d ramble and not ask a question. But adults did that too. It’s a lot to ask any of these people to know how to really land the punches they want to land. It’s only been a week. The kids are holding their own.

It was tough for me to speak to family after my Nana died and she died of old age. A lot of these people had their loved ones murdered and were speaking on television.

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Anymouse 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 9:20:07pm

re: #304 scottslemmons

That’s a giant fuck-you to anyone angry about the NRA’s support for mass shootings. Hell, by the time the next NRA convention rolls around, LaPierre’s going to be demanding members shoot up high schools to prove their loyalty.

It might be better in this case for the Dems to oppose Cornyn’s very modest improvement to the background check laws, and work on taking the House and Senate.

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jaunte Feb 21, 2018 • 9:20:48pm

re: #299 HappyWarrior

“I’m on a manhunt!” Daubenmire proclaimed several times before explaining, “I believe that we’re in the problem we’re in in America today because there aren’t any men. There aren’t any men. There are a lot of males. There are a lot of guys who are born male. So you’re a male by birth, but you’re a man by choice.”

He said that there are “thousands and thousands of men who love the Lord but are sick of church” because Christianity has become “sissified.”
thewartburgwatch.com

Daubenmire has an extreme problem. But he’s not going to charge into any gunmen himself, no sir.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 9:21:08pm

re: #302 allegro

I’m evil enough to wish that he would be in a situation like that with a video of him pissing himself and pleading to be the gunman’s bitch.

Behind every fake right wing tough guy is a scared little man.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 9:22:08pm

re: #309 jaunte

Daubenmire has an extreme problem. But he’s not going to charge into any gunmen himself, no sir.

He also ignores the students whose actions did in fact save lives. Daubermire can go fuck himself with a gun.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 9:23:26pm

I’m humble to know I have no idea what I’d do in a situation like that. I just hate that anyone has to find themselves in that situation.

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TedStriker Feb 21, 2018 • 9:23:45pm

re: #311 HappyWarrior

He also ignores the students whose actions did in fact save lives. Daubermire can go fuck himself with a gun.

Buttstock end first.

And dry.

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 9:24:07pm

re: #299 HappyWarrior

Something tells me Coach Shit For Brains has never been in a situation like that and I hope for his sake he never is.

Hey Coach Doofy Dave! The reason why millions of people have walked out of churches and never gone back is because we are tired of hearing Republican propaganda from the pulpit.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 9:28:42pm

re: #313 TedStriker

Buttstock end first.

And dry.

Ouch but he deserves it. He cares more about guns and his bs vision of masculinity then humanity.

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Anymouse 🌹 Feb 21, 2018 • 9:28:43pm

re: #311 HappyWarrior

He also ignores the students whose actions did in fact save lives. Daubermire can go fuck himself with a gun.

Private Peter Wang, noted above in the “Taps” video was braver than “Coach Dave” would ever be. Wang was fifteen years old.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 9:31:56pm

re: #316 Anymouse 🌹

Private Peter Wang, noted above in the “Taps” video was braver than “Coach Dave” would ever be. Wang was fifteen years old.

Yep two other JROTC cadets too including a young woman. He should stick with coaching.

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CleverToad Feb 21, 2018 • 9:32:00pm

re: #279 CleverToad

(CL’d big time, was back on the LAST really long thread… Pardon the repeat)

Wish it were an OT:
My college freshman son who should have gotten out of his Physics class at 9 pm just texted me. Not to say he was heading for the light rail, as normal. To say he and two friends are in friend’s car, just left campus and heading to a nearby grocery store ‘to regroup.’ Because they left in a hurry, because there was an announcement: “There is an emergency on campus. Evacuate immediately.”

Says that’s all he knows. Says he’s safe.

Waiting for the next text, with my blood pressure rising.

(Now back to comment #256 of the previous thread! as I try to catch up on this very long ~~thread~~ day. I wasn’t going sleep well tonight anyway.)

Kid’s home, rattled but safe. Says it was unnerving (to put it mildly) — he was in the chem hallway when the announcement came over the PA saying ‘get out now,’ followed by the rhythmic clunk of metal panels covering the windows. He’d naively assumed those were just blinds — says it felt like something out of a movie when the panels started slamming down. Says he and friends were joking about something smelling a little not-normal, but then said he got a good whiff of it as they left and it was definitely something that didn’t smell right. (Says that might just be because chem students were running out, of course.)

But doubly-glad he was with friends with a car, because the light rail station which is about a five-minute walk from campus had a flashing sign saying it was closed due to an emergency. Kid would have been stranded 22 miles from home in 11 degree weather, with at least a fifteen-minute walk to the nearest shopping center where he could wait for us to get to him.

No, I’m not going to sleep well tonight, but I’m the lucky one, my kid is home. We’ll have to find out tomorrow what the hell happened.

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HappyWarrior Feb 21, 2018 • 9:32:34pm

Well all I’m going to bed.

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BeachDem Feb 21, 2018 • 9:46:22pm

re: #249 Skip Intro

Does no one remember “bullet proof” backpacks?

Turns out they’re worthless against a weapon like an AR-15.

I don’t think they were worth much against a pea shooter. (And the ads were repulsive)

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majii Feb 21, 2018 • 9:59:17pm

re: #39 GlutenFreeJesus

“You know who Republicans aren’t consulting regarding their idea to arm teachers? THE FUCKING TEACHERS.”

It doesn’t matter what the subject/topic is, teachers are always the last ones to be consulted. During the 33 years in my teaching career, everything was handed down from the state lawmakers and state BOE. It doesn’t matter that teachers are on the front-lines by actually being in the classroom, those without any/very little experience in education always think they know more than educators. I’ve spoken with Joe and Susie Blows who have said that all teachers do all day is sit behind their desks. I kid you not. Teaching is one of the few occupations wherein everyone thinks s/he is an expert. Never mind that a majority of these lay “experts” wouldn’t last one month in a classroom.

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Eventual Carrion Feb 22, 2018 • 3:37:03am

re: #108 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The individual mandate is all well and good, but no one has yet addressed the “well-regulated” part of the 2nd Amendment. They focus purely on the “militia” part and the “right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” part.

I have been preaching that part of the 2nd for YEARS.

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Eventual Carrion Feb 22, 2018 • 3:50:27am

re: #184 jaunte

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