A Meditation: Jóhann Jóhannsson, “Flight From the City”

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Jóhann Jóhannsson presents “Flight from the City” from his highly anticipated new studio album – the first in 6 years!
Orphée traces a path from darkness into light, inspired by the Orpheus myth. A story about death and rebirth, the elusive nature of creation and art and the ephemeral nature of memory. It’s an album about change, love and art – a reflection of our relationships, as is the film Flight from the City directed and produced by Clare Langan.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:40:11pm

I keep seeing the argument from liberals “well, we should have the sort of guns the II Amendment applied to in the XVIII Century: flintlocks.”

I’m not a particular fan of that not-well-thought out argument: I would not prefer to read Little Green Footballs in pamphlet form as the I Amendment might have applied in the XVIII Century.

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jaunte  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:43:37pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:50:55pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:52:04pm

I’m off to bed … reading how the students did with Sen. Rubio and Dana Loesch tonight feels a lot different than other such mass-murders. This feels like it has the momentum to carry to the election.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:53:18pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:57:13pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 21, 2018 • 9:59:15pm
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jaunte  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:04:51pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 21, 2018 • 10:50:52pm

The History of Russian Involvement in America’s Race Wars

From propaganda posters to Facebook ads, 80-plus years of Russian meddling.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2018 • 11:19:45pm

So I made the mistake of sleeping through the CNN town hall, because I had this feeling that the refs would kneecap the competition just to give the home team a fighting chance. Instead I hear Li’l Marco threw his political career is a ditch and then put two in its head, while Dana MuhGunz showed that she’s totally unused to this “empathy” thing she’s seen humans display.

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TedStriker  Feb 21, 2018 • 11:26:57pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

So I made the mistake of sleeping through the CNN town hall, because I had this feeling that the refs would kneecap the competition just to give the home team a fighting chance. Instead I hear Li’l Marco threw his political career is a ditch and then put two in its head, while Dana MuhGunz showed that she’s totally unused to this “empathy” thing she’s seen humans display.

Animal House Flounder

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2018 • 11:37:57pm

Rubio could have followed Scott’s lead and backed out, made up some bullshit excuse about how he had something so important that he couldn’t spare time for this horror show. Yeah, he’d have been branded a coward for doing so, but he would have spared himself the dragging that went on last night. This is the kinda performance that is going to stick with him, clips from last night are gonna be made into campaign ads come 2022.

He did himself no favors and actually killed any chance he might have had of running in the 2020 GOP primary.

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piratedan  Feb 21, 2018 • 11:48:40pm

and you know what… after watching what happened to Rubio, I’ll wager that the remainder of the GOP will eschew the notion of bringing the notion of gun safety up in any future town halls, or more likely never bother to even have any.

I think we’re looking at a legislative tsunami in 2018 that is going to make the GOP a political afterthought, granted they won’t go willingly but lets take a peek at what’s going on, boiled down to the essentials of what the GOP has fucked up:

Health Care
Immigration
Gun Safety
Infrastructure
Education
Consumer Protections
The Environment
Governing
Corruption
Treason
Stupidity
Racism
Sexism
Foreign Policy
Taxes

and they’ve managed to bring this all into the light in one fucking year…

If the Russians don’t invade and stage a coup, these guys are fucked and in about 6 years, the GOP will cease to exist as a political factor.

just mho… but people are sick and tired of giving these self-righteous fucks the benefit of the doubt.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 22, 2018 • 12:13:36am

re: #13 piratedan

and you know what… after watching what happened to Rubio, I’ll wager that the remainder of the GOP will eschew the notion of bringing the notion of gun safety up in any future town halls, or more likely never bother to even have any.

I think we’re looking at a legislative tsunami in 2018 that is going to make the GOP a political afterthought, granted they won’t go willingly but lets take a peek at what’s going on, boiled down to the essentials of what the GOP has fucked up:

Health Care
Immigration
Gun Safety
Infrastructure
Education
Consumer Protections
The Environment
Governing
Corruption
Treason
Stupidity
Racism
Sexism
Foreign Policy
Taxes

and they’ve managed to bring this all into the light in one fucking year…

If the Russians don’t invade and stage a coup, these guys are fucked and in about 6 years, the GOP will cease to exist as a political factor.

just mho… but people are sick and tired of giving these self-righteous fucks the benefit of the doubt.

Yep, the basket’s nearly full. Time to clamp the lid on and plunge it into the pond.

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freetoken  Feb 22, 2018 • 12:15:03am

re: #12 Targetpractice

“Lil’ Marco” - the term was pejorative at the time, but Trump knew he was dealing with a light-weight.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2018 • 12:21:01am

re: #15 freetoken

“Lil’ Marco” - the term was pejorative at the time, but Trump knew he was dealing with a light-weight.

I might have gone with Marco-Bot, as it seems he was just acting off programming last night rather than showing any capacity to think whatsoever.

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TedStriker  Feb 22, 2018 • 12:24:53am

re: #15 freetoken

“Lil’ Marco” - the term was pejorative at the time, but Trump knew he was dealing with a light-weight.

Well, it takes one to know one, so there’s that…

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TedStriker  Feb 22, 2018 • 12:25:44am

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Yep, the basket’s nearly full. Time to clamp the lid on and plunge it into the pond.

I prefer “kill it with fire”.

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Kragar  Feb 22, 2018 • 12:31:47am

“I believe that, regardless of politics, it’s everyone’s duty to support the troops, and also to support the Second Amendment should the day come when we need to overthrow the government and kill those troops.”

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freetoken  Feb 22, 2018 • 12:34:36am

Looking at my Facebook network of connections, I don’t see the Trumpers changing their minds. They’re as dug in as ever. Some rarely post anymore, but that doesn’t mean they’ve changed their minds.

There are several Congressional districts around this country which the Republicans won in the last election by only a few points. It’s not unreasonable to expect many of these to flip to Democrats in the midterms.

However, I remain to be convinced that the Trumpers who put Trump in office are going to diminish. They are as much America as any other group, and I am not convinced that the social changes which brought these folk to reject the decent candidates for the grotesque one are going to lessen any time soon.

And we notice that with the doubling down by the gun nuts in the wake of the latest mass shooting.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 22, 2018 • 12:36:20am
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freetoken  Feb 22, 2018 • 12:45:27am
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Kragar  Feb 22, 2018 • 12:46:04am
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freetoken  Feb 22, 2018 • 12:53:26am

Your overnight entertainment, well, mental stimulation:

2018 Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate: Artificial Intelligence

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2018 • 1:04:20am

re: #23 Kragar

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The public is more worried about the dangers of Tide pods than they are about guns. The difference is that a Tide pod can’t be used to mow down a classroom.

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Kragar  Feb 22, 2018 • 1:24:54am
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 22, 2018 • 1:25:23am

Doesn’t seem to be much movement on AR-15 prices or supply. The same is true of 5.56 ammo. Even the most paranoid ammosexuals obviously have little fear of a ban.

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EPR-radar  Feb 22, 2018 • 1:53:54am

re: #1 Anymouse 🌹

I keep seeing the argument from liberals “well, we should have the sort of guns the II Amendment applied to in the XVIII Century: flintlocks.”

I’m not a particular fan of that not-well-thought out argument: I would not prefer to read Little Green Footballs in pamphlet form as the I Amendment might have applied in the XVIII Century.

Ditto. I prefer not to give the gun nuts such easy arguments to refute.

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freetoken  Feb 22, 2018 • 2:44:26am

Medical advancements and social dystopia arising from past transgressions:

CRISPR could end sickle cell disease, but signing up black patients for clinical trials will be a hard sell

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 22, 2018 • 2:47:04am

re: #9 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The History of Russian Involvement in America’s Race Wars

The point was, America was vulnerable and Russia/The USSR simply exploited it to promote their own interests. One can argue the morality of it, but that is what nations do.

They did not create the racial tensions that already existed in America, just as they did not create the slipshod, highly vulnerable electoral/political/media climate that existed in America at the start of this century.

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Chrysicat  Feb 22, 2018 • 3:08:19am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 22, 2018 • 3:24:57am

A lot of people do not seem to get past the title of “Born in the USA” when they are shouting and fist-pumping to it…

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Dave In Austin  Feb 22, 2018 • 4:58:55am

When does the despondent parent finally firebomb the local gun shop.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:02:05am
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Dave In Austin  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:10:26am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:16:59am

re: #33 Dave In Austin

When does the despondent parent finally firebomb the local gun shop.

we don’t need martyrs to the cause of the 2A

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Dave In Austin  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:21:37am

re: #36 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we don’t need martyrs to the cause of the 2A

This is not a wish, but give a few more 10 of lives to the altar of AR and it just may.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:24:06am

re: #37 Dave In Austin

This is not a wish, but give a few more 10 of lives to the altar of AR and it just may.

Point is that it would effectively derail any chance of having a reasonable discussion about realistic steps to help curb gun violence in America.

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jeffreyw  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:25:49am

Imgur


Good morning!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:31:59am

re: #28 EPR-radar

Ditto. I prefer not to give the gun nuts such easy arguments to refute.

Right it could easily be used to limit speech. I do think it is relevant to bring up the changes in arms from 1787 to 2018.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:35:09am

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Decatur Deb  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:36:40am
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:37:55am

re: #41 Dave In Austin

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And that is exactly why the gun nuts stockpile the damn things, because they have Rambo fantasies of killing hordes of (black) people. And inevitably, some really disturbed people go to a school or church or nightclub or concert and live out their fantasy.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:38:42am

re: #41 Dave In Austin

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Exactly.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:42:15am

I can’t take the American right seriously on mental health when every GOP budget proposes to cut mental health services. And I definitely can’t take them seriously when they claim that criminals are just going to break the law anyhow which is why we don’t have laws against stealing, rape, murder, etc.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:43:22am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:45:45am

re: #46 Dave In Austin

Donald J. Trump

I will be strongly pushing Comprehensive Background Checks with an emphasis on Mental Health. Raise age to 21 and end sale of Bump Stocks! Congress is in a mood to finally do something on this issue - I hope!

He knows he can safely come out in favor of these things because there is little or no chance of them actually being implemented but it will make him look like he is being reasonable and responsible.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:47:11am
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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:47:51am

re: #20 freetoken

Looking at my Facebook network of connections, I don’t see the Trumpers changing their minds. They’re as dug in as ever. Some rarely post anymore, but that doesn’t mean they’ve changed their minds.

There are several Congressional districts around this country which the Republicans won in the last election by only a few points. It’s not unreasonable to expect many of these to flip to Democrats in the midterms.

However, I remain to be convinced that the Trumpers who put Trump in office are going to diminish. They are as much America as any other group, and I am not convinced that the social changes which brought these folk to reject the decent candidates for the grotesque one are going to lessen any time soon.

And we notice that with the doubling down by the gun nuts in the wake of the latest mass shooting.

Germans still haven’t eradicated their Nazis, they just forced them to become confederates.

No, we won’t get rid of these groups. There will always be homophobes, racists, and sexists. The big question, though, is what are the rest of us going to do about that. Give up in defeat? Ignore them, or recognize these people exist, what they will do given power, and do what we can to minimize the damage they can do in the future?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:50:27am

re: #48 Dave In Austin

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Oh but that’s not politicizing shootings. GFY lady. Did one Democrat in office comment on that Cruz wore a stupid MAGA hat?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:51:36am

re: #33 Dave In Austin

When does the despondent parent finally firebomb the local gun shop.

Not in Panama City, I hope. It shares the wall of an historic building with the Democratic Women’s Club.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:51:38am

re: #49 Belafon

Germans still haven’t eradicated their Nazis, they just forced them to become confederates.

No, we won’t get rid of these groups. There will always be homophobes, racists, and sexists. The big question, though, is what are the rest of us going to do about that. Give up in defeat? Ignore them, or recognize these people exist, what they will do given power, and do what we can to minimize the damage they can do in the future?

I’ve been asking myself that. They’re not going away. No matter how much we wish they would.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:57:19am

re: #51 Decatur Deb

Not in Panama City, I hope. It shares the wall of an historic building with the Democratic Women’s Club.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:57:25am

re: #49 Belafon

Germans still haven’t eradicated their Nazis, they just forced them to become confederates.

Germany has a right-wing party, the AfD, which just got 13% in the national elections and is now a faction in parliament.

In America, those people have hijacked a major party, the GOP.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:58:31am

re: #52 HappyWarrior

I’ve been asking myself that. They’re not going away. No matter how much we wish they would.

2016 was the result of too many people thinking that they could ignore what the other side was doing, that things like equality would be resilient to opposing forces. Stoneman Douglas was the result of too many people giving into the idea that there’s nothing we can do about guns. Lots of people have learned their lesson on those fronts.

Now, there’s one more lesson to learn: Change won’t happen overnight, and it definitely won’t happen in November. Are they willing to fight for two more years before we can really change things? Are they willing to stick with it for the next decade?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 22, 2018 • 5:58:38am

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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Dave In Austin  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:00:40am

re: #49 Belafon

And the main thing is that will always be a minority. Always.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:02:05am

re: #57 Dave In Austin

And the main thing is that will always be a minority. Always.

Yep. As that wise man said, though, the problem is that sometimes, good people do nothing.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:02:39am

In good news, initial unemployment claims continue to be extremely low, at levels not seen in decades when the workforce was much smaller. Even in the late nineties boom workers didn’t enjoy this much job security as we have seen in the last three years. As the graph shows, every recent recession was preceded by an increase in job losses, so at this point, there is still no reason to anticipate a near-term recession. Thanks Obama!

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:03:21am

re: #52 HappyWarrior

I’ve been asking myself that. They’re not going away. No matter how much we wish they would.

We have to get this ratio to the polls.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:03:58am

re: #43 Big Beautiful Door

And that is exactly why the gun nuts stockpile the damn things, because they have Rambo fantasies of killing hordes of (black) people. And inevitably, some really disturbed people go to a school or church or nightclub or concert and live out their fantasy.

I’ve talked about that quite a bit. “The day the welfare checks stop” is a common scenario in racist/prepper literature and folklore. Not knowing what “minority” means, they imagine that there are endless masses of black people packed into the mysterious “no go zones” of the inner cities, waiting to pour out in mindless zombie swarms in search of loot.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:05:31am

Belafon, You’re over by Houston, Correct? is there a Congressional Elect this year in your district?

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:06:09am

If you ever wanted to understand how much and what kind of an optimist I am, my response to “You have strep” was “At least it’s not the flu.”

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:06:38am

re: #62 Dave In Austin

Belafon, You’re over by Houston, Correct? is there a Congressional Elect this year in your district?

I’m up by Dallas. John Ratcliffe if my evil rep.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:06:41am

re: #56 Decatur Deb

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:08:24am

re: #57 Dave In Austin

And the main thing is that will always be a minority. Always.

but they co-opted a party that used gerymandering and voter suppression to gain an EC and Congressional majority and we see what is happening to the country as a result…

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:09:27am

re: #62 Dave In Austin

Texas 7th in Houston may flip: polling favors generic Democratic candidate by 10%.
ballotpedia.org

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:09:46am

re: #66 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

but they co-opted a party that used gerymandering and voter suppression to gain an EC and Congressional majority and we see what is happening to the country as a result…

At least Pennsylvania won’t be gerrymandered for the midterms, which by itself should mean several new Democratic Congressmen, not even considering the likelihood of a blue wave in November.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:10:10am

re: #60 jaunte

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We have to get this ratio to the polls.

Good. I’m glad to see the NRA taking heat like they deserve.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:10:45am

re: #65 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:12:21am

re: #68 Big Beautiful Door

At least Pennsylvania won’t be gerrymandered for the midterms, which by itself should mean several new Democratic Congressmen, not even considering the likelihood of a blue wave in November.

Things are starting to turn there. Just imagine a Congress where Democrats’ overall share of the vote is reflected in the number of seats they actually hold…

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:13:06am

re: #66 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

but they co-opted a party that used gerymandering and voter suppression to gain an EC and Congressional majority and we see what is happening to the country as a result…

Yeah, people are finally getting off their asses.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:15:00am

Good morning from slightly chilly SoCal. We await Spacex for a possible light show this morning. spacex.com 2 minutes…

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:15:18am
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lawhawk  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:18:25am

re: #8 jaunte

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:20:06am

Cool stuff from the Victoria and Albert Museum
The art of the ocean liner travel poster

This is a beautiful website all the way ‘round, well worth a look.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:23:46am

re: #75 lawhawk

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I’d be proud of them for standing up to a do nothing Senator who just offers fake piety rather than solutions and given how people like you and Rubio treated Obama, you have no room to talk Todd.

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lawhawk  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:25:19am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area.

Last night Trump said he’d arm teachers.

This morning, he says he wouldn’t arm teachers, but only the best teachers would get armed.

This fucker even has a tweet for that…

He’s got a goddamned tweet for every situation. And his idiot supporters will believe anything he says because they’ve got the same attention span of a gnat. After all, Trump needed cue cards for how to attempt to show compassion and empathy (and still failed).

I also see that Marco Rubio was somehow getting credit for doing a town hall.

Why? That’s his goddamned job. That’s the bare minimum of being an elected official. GOPers have been ducking town halls since 2016 because they’re a perpetual shit show given Trump. Rubio’s answers show he’s trying to muddle through all while getting paid by the NRA.

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lawhawk  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:26:28am
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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:29:24am

Wentzville (Mo.) City Council has atheist removed after complaint against city funding giant “In God We Trust” sign on the front of the city council’s bench at the taxpayer expense.

She used her time, then was questioned by the mayor, then ordered removed from the city government meeting. The mayor accused her of lying about the concerns of citizens.

Fortunately in my village, we don’t have this sort of thing where Christian Fundamentalists have the need to “mark” public property with tax money or assert the power of the State when a person has a differing religious view.

(7:10, Feb. 14)

Wentzville Mayor Has Atheist Removed Over Opposition to “In God We Trust” City Hall Sign

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ObserverArt  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:31:29am

re: #12 Targetpractice

Rubio could have followed Scott’s lead and backed out, made up some bullshit excuse about how he had something so important that he couldn’t spare time for this horror show. Yeah, he’d have been branded a coward for doing so, but he would have spared himself the dragging that went on last night. This is the kinda performance that is going to stick with him, clips from last night are gonna be made into campaign ads come 2022.

He did himself no favors and actually killed any chance he might have had of running in the 2020 GOP primary.

Morning!

I didn’t get a chance to watch last night, and only followed for a bit here on LGF.

This morning I watch the opening of Morning Joke and of course Joke had to give some props to both Marco for attending the CNN Townhall and for Trump holding the White House talk.

Okay, that was a given.

I will give Marco credit for showing up too, but that is it. That is his job.

Trump…I don’t know how to feel but my instincts tells me it was another Trump produced reality show with a preordained decision to still play to the NRA and blame everything and anything on people and not guns.

While Marco took it on the chin, where was Rick Scott and Wayne LaPierre?

Scott is the one I hope gets damaged the most. I hope his stance on this costs the Florida Republicans for years.

And Wayne…where were you big guy? You sure can attend a room of your backers and talk tough…what are you scared of some kids that aren’t packing guns?

Maybe Trump grabbed you.

I hope this is all costing the NRA members and money. They claim 5 million Americans as members. The population of this country is 323 million. 5 million should not have the power they have in a democracy. They need to be put in their place as the minority they are.

Go Emma and all the rest of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School students. Keep on it…a lot of Americans are behind you.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:31:33am

A thread of CPAC doings:

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:32:34am

So much “snowflake” projection.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:33:46am

re: #82 jaunte

A thread of CPAC doings:

Dana Gunz and her hub were in the very first “stand your ground” state, and they felt they had to flee?

Boo.

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makeitstop  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:34:30am

re: #82 jaunte

Chris Loesch, husband of the NRA’s Dana Loesch, says they had to flee the scene of the CNN town hall fast because it could’ve gotten “dangerous” for them.

Yeah, those unarmed high school kids might have exposed even more of their stupidity.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:35:51am

re: #85 makeitstop

Not sure if he’s a semiautomatic chickenshit or full auto.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:36:28am

Maybe just a dumbstock.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:36:48am

re: #86 jaunte

Not sure if he’s a semiautomatic chickenshit or full auto.

LOL. He might need a high-capacity clip magazine to hold more chickenshit.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:36:53am

re: #82 jaunte

A thread of CPAC doings:

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If he’s going to invoke dead commies he needs to at least keep the players straight. Trotskyites didn’t get to stage show trials, that was the rival Stalinists. Trotsky is the one who got the ice-pick(axe), inspiring several band names in the process.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:37:16am

OK, no spoilers.
Watching replay of SpacEx PAZ
Just under T-minus 1:30

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:40:06am

Morning news anchor funnies
Instead of Japanese Hockey Team she spoke a little too fast and pronounced Japanese sake team.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:40:23am

re: #89 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

As a writer for Breitbart, he probably doesn’t concern himself much with historical accuracy.
en.wikipedia.org

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:42:02am
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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:44:46am

re: #93 jaunte

Once again, Trump makes it clear that “GREAT” means “WHITE”.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:47:20am

re: #93 jaunte

I can’t do image embeds at work, the browser won’t let it, but this comment reminds me of the picture of the women laughing, which looks nice, until you realize they work at a concentration camp.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:47:46am

re: #82 jaunte

A thread of CPAC doings:

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I guess they wanted to be in a safe space.

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makeitstop  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:50:37am

Loesch, cynical? Nah, not at all. //

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:51:39am

re: #90 FormerDirtDart

OK, no spoilers.
Watching replay of SpacEx PAZ
Just under T-minus 1:30

OK, all caught up

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:51:43am

What is it great that the NRA does? Is it Nugent insulting victims of gun violence? Dana pushing lies and bullshit or is it Wayne’s use of guns to spread fear and bigotry of racial minorities and his silence when people like Castile are murdered. The NRA at one time was a respectable organization but it hasn’t in a long time.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:53:45am

re: #97 makeitstop

Loesch, cynical? Nah, not at all. //

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She was too chicken shit to say that last night because she’d get even more boos. Fuck you Dana and fuck your guns too. You hide behind them because you’re a fucking coward just like the rest of the NRA who need guns to compensate for their lack of self esteem.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:54:36am
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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:55:44am

re: #101 FormerDirtDart

There was an armed security person at the school, Trump.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:56:11am

Damn, when did that happen?
I was up late watching the Women’s Hockey Gold Medal game.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:56:46am

re: #101 FormerDirtDart

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And then when the cops do show up, they get multiple shooters? Yeah fuck off with this fantasy bs.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:57:27am

re: #102 Belafon

There was an armed security person at the school, Trump.

Yep. But facts are irrelevant when you get your info from the NRA and Fox.

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lawhawk  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:59:33am
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darthstar  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:59:34am
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geosherman  Feb 22, 2018 • 6:59:48am

YouTube


video from the neighborhood, sorry about my finger getting in the way.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:01:34am

The idea of returning vets sounds nice but I’d rather give them a job where they may not have to kill someone.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:02:35am

re: #106 lawhawk

I guess I’m not seeing what she’s replying to, but I’m not entirely sure what she means by the bottom half of her tweet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:03:42am

re: #109 HappyWarrior

The idea of returning vets sounds nice but I’d rather give them a job where they may not have to kill someone.

or be killed themselves

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lawhawk  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:03:46am

re: #110 Belafon

Added the missing tweet for context.

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makeitstop  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:04:09am

D’Addario is a local company. I’ve used their strings for years, quality product. They treat their workers fairly, do a lot of community work, and they’re not afraid to cut loose an endorsee who turns out to be an asshole. I’m proud of them for this.

Facebook Post

Sadly, the comments show that a lot of people who use their products are fucking mooks who probably can’t get through re-stringing their guitar without garrotting themselves.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:04:44am

re: #109 HappyWarrior

The idea of returning vets sounds nice but I’d rather give them a job where they may not have to kill someone.

Seconded.

Florida used to have a programme where an honourably discharged veteran would be sent to college at state expense to become a teacher. (The contract with the state required the veteran to stay in the job for a certain number of years after completing the teacher certification.) I don’t know if they still have that programme now though.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:06:48am

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

or be killed themselves

Absolutely.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:07:07am

re: #106 lawhawk

I have to disagree a bit. I know some teachers who would be OK with it. These women are those that think a handgun will save them from an attack.

And, it hasn’t distracted from the call to ban military style weapons.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:07:41am

The Army has had a program, in times of force reduction, to put separating soldiers into teaching positions—“Green to Gold”. It provides assistance with professional requirements tailored to the various states. Many of our super-bright nuclear weapons techs went that way.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:07:51am

re: #114 Anymouse 🌹

Seconded.

Florida used to have a programme where an honourably discharged veteran would be sent to college at state expense to become a teacher. (The contract with the state required the veteran to stay in the job for a certain number of years after completing the teacher certification.) I don’t know if they still have that programme now though.

Now that’s a program I can get behind. One of my favorite teachers was a vet.

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ObserverArt  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:07:59am

re: #39 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

You did it…you put a chimney on the feeder with white smoke!

Hahahahaha…nice!

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:08:54am

I am using the term military style weapon rather than assault weapon, because, to me, it gives a much clearer idea of the kind of weapon we want removed. An AR-15 is a military style weapon; the shotgun I have at home is not.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:09:18am

re: #120 Belafon

I am using the term military style weapon rather than assault weapon, because, to me, it gives a much clearer idea of the kind of weapon we want removed. An AR-15 is a military style weapon; the shotgun I have at home is not.

Agreed.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:10:11am
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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:10:29am

punching the radio buttons as im driving 2 hrs to the client this AM

whenever i hear this it always makes me smile

YouTube

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:12:36am

re: #79 lawhawk

DT: “I will be strongly pushing Comprehensive Background Checks with an emphasis on Mental Health. Raise age to 21 and end sale of Bump Stocks! Congress is in a mood to finally do something on this issue - I hope!”

Lawhawk:
The House GOP wont move on any of these steps. It’s up to you to convince your fellow fanatics to act.

As I mentioned earlier, he is just grandstanding and trying to bump his popularity points…he knows damn well that none of these things will be acted on.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:12:37am
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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:13:24am

CPAC has gone form being hated to being scoffed at and ridiculed.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:14:48am
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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:15:44am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:17:36am

re: #128 jaunte

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I thought you were about gun rights Wayne. BTW look up Bernie Sanders record on guns and get your head out of a gun’s ass for once.

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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:18:25am

did Dana say something like the militia is the whole of the people or some nonsense?

does that include women? if so, how? cause likely it didnt originally
and the 19th amendment is silent on the issue

kids? esp older kids?
“minorities”?, immigrants, green card holders (yes i know the answer), non citizen residents?

and what if someone doesnt want to be part of this militia?
is it optional?

i know, dont accept the premise. still, they’re just so bad at this

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:18:27am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:18:47am

I knew the NRA was a right wing partisan organization when they’ve went after Creigh Deeds in the 2009 gubernatorial election here.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:18:47am

re: #128 jaunte

From the party that has accepted the backing of Russia (yes, I know the country is more authoritarian the socialist, but, then again, Democrats aren’t socialists).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:19:12am

re: #131 jaunte

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Yawn. Choke on a gun Wayne.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:19:53am

re: #131 jaunte

The conversion of the NRA into a political arm of the GOP is complete.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:20:20am

re: #131 jaunte

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Wayne’s act is growing rather stale.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:20:39am

re: #133 Belafon

Wayne’s new definition of “socialist” means people who understand we all actually live in a mutually dependent society.

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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:21:13am

re: #101 FormerDirtDart

..History shows that a school shooting lasts, on average, 3 minutes. It takes police & first responders approximately 5 to 8 minutes to get to site of crime. Highly trained, gun adept, teachers/coaches would solve the problem instantly, before police arrive. GREAT DETERRENT!

the shooting has already started
it is not a “deterrent”

asshat

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Decatur Deb  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:21:30am

re: #130 dangerman

did Dana say something like the militia is the whole of the people or some nonsense?

does that include women? if so, how? cause likely it didnt originally
and the 19th amendment is silent on the issue

kids? esp older kids?
“minorities”?, immigrants, green card holders (yes i know the answer), non citizen residents?

and what if someone doesnt want to be part of this militia?
is it optional?

i know, dont accept the premise. still, they’re just so bad at this

IIRC, there was a Militia Act, very early on, that defined the notional militia. It did start from “everybody” and pared that down to trustworthy white men in a couple paragraphs. The Revolutionary War militias were not organized under that, and often included state requirements for a draft.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:22:40am

[trump] WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR TOO LONG! I AM GOING TO BE TALKING TO THESE PEOPLE ABOUT HOW WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS TOO LONG!!! [/trump]

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:23:16am

re: #130 dangerman

did Dana say something like the militia is the whole of the people or some nonsense?

does that include women? if so, how? cause likely it didnt originally
and the 19th amendment is silent on the issue

kids? esp older kids?
“minorities”?, immigrants, green card holders (yes i know the answer), non citizen residents?

and what if someone doesnt want to be part of this militia?
is it optional?

i know, dont accept the premise. still, they’re just so bad at this

According to 10 U.S.C. § 311 only women who are current members of the National Guard are member of the Militia.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:24:31am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:24:52am

Someone should ask Wayne if the NRA is so anti socialist why they endorsed Sanders in the past.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:25:16am

Wayne deserves to have his guns destroyed in front of him.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:25:45am
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bill d. (b.d.)  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:26:03am

re: #142 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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The NRA knows Wayne is a loon, he is one of the diversions.

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lawhawk  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:26:33am

Meanwhile, Newt’s busy lying about regulations and FDA approvals.

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:27:05am

re: #20 freetoken

Looking at my Facebook network of connections, I don’t see the Trumpers changing their minds. They’re as dug in as ever. Some rarely post anymore, but that doesn’t mean they’ve changed their minds.

There are several Congressional districts around this country which the Republicans won in the last election by only a few points. It’s not unreasonable to expect many of these to flip to Democrats in the midterms.

However, I remain to be convinced that the Trumpers who put Trump in office are going to diminish. They are as much America as any other group, and I am not convinced that the social changes which brought these folk to reject the decent candidates for the grotesque one are going to lessen any time soon.

And we notice that with the doubling down by the gun nuts in the wake of the latest mass shooting.

If they are silent, perhaps they have the sense to be embarrassed. Keep pointing out the incompetence, not necessarily policy. Point out that Trump is not a dealmaker, how farmers are getting screwed by us not being in TPP, how they would be if NAFTA is repealed, etc.

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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:27:07am

re: #137 jaunte

Wayne’s new definition of “socialist” means people who understand we all actually live in a mutually dependent society.

unless its just you and a volleyball named wilson, “the moral logic of common sacrifice”

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lawhawk  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:28:04am

This Congressional rep from upstate NY spewing fever swamp talking points:

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Dave In Austin  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:28:09am
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William Lewis  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:28:11am

re: #41 Dave In Austin

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Memes. As always doing more harm than good.

I would say that it is not quite true. A self loader (aka Semi-automatic) either with an internal clip fed magazine like the M1 Garand or a small detachable box like the Browning BAR (not the military weapon - en.wikipedia.org ) do have appropriate places in hunting and range sports. These are both very different from the proverbial “black rifles” and I do think that if you try to spread any legislation too widely you will get push back from the Democrats that live in hunting country. One of the special elections up here that was won by a Democrat was a woman known as a keen hunter.

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lawhawk  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:28:52am

Trump wants to arm teachers.

Would that include sex predators like Larry Nassar or any of the other pedophiles caught in recent years?

Would it include this guy?

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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:29:31am

re: #139 Decatur Deb

IIRC, there was a Militia Act, very early on, that defined the notional militia. It did start from “everybody” and pared that down to trustworthy white men in a couple paragraphs. The Revolutionary War militias were not organized under that, and often included state requirements for a draft.

said totally tongue in cheek:

if we’re gonna go back to “very early on” to define the militia then it has to be the same standard for “arms”, right?

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William Lewis  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:31:00am

re: #141 FormerDirtDart

According to 10 U.S.C. § 311 only women who are current members of the National Guard are member of the Militia.

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Actually that is a fairly recent version - it wasn’t that long ago that only female National Guard Officers were considered in the militia and in those days that basically meant nurses.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:31:23am

re: #152 William Lewis

How many rounds?

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:31:45am

Fred Trump’s Young Son Donald Fatally Shot After Punching Music Teacher.

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ObserverArt  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:32:31am

re: #109 HappyWarrior

The idea of returning vets sounds nice but I’d rather give them a job where they may not have to kill someone.

You bring up a good point. Why subject vets to do something they probably didn’t want to do even in their service.

And with all the fear of mental health, if you use vets are they going to be subject to testing to prove a bad situation won’t provoke PTSD where they either run scared or go off and start shooting indiscriminately thinking they are under attack in a war?

I guess I don’t know why we can’t do what seems to work everywhere else…ban assault rifles. I think some of those countries still have hunting guns too. Go figure.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:32:34am

re: #154 dangerman

said totally tongue in cheek:

if we’re gonna go back to “very early on” to define the militia then it has to be the same standard for “arms”, right?

A true Homeric warrior considers the bow a coward’s weapon.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:33:24am
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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:35:18am

re: #140 bill d. (b.d.)

Will be meeting with Lawmakers today at 11:30 A.M. to discuss School Safety. Next week it will be with our Nation’s Governors. It’s been many years of all talk, no action. We’ll get it done!

[trump] WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR TOO LONG! I AM GOING TO BE TALKING TO THESE PEOPLE ABOUT HOW WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS TOO LONG!!! [/trump]

see how its already morphing from guns to “school safety”.
that can mean so many things not directly related to guns and being shot

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:35:21am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:35:42am

re: #158 ObserverArt

You bring up a good point. Why subject vets to do something they probably didn’t want to do even in their service.

And with all the fear of mental health, if you use vets are they going to be subject to testing to prove a bad situation won’t provoke PTSD where they either run scared or go off and start shooting indiscriminately thinking they are under attack in a war?

I guess I don’t know why we can’t do what seems to work everywhere else…ban assault rifles. I think some of those countries still have hunting guns too. Go figure.

Exactly. I’m all for helping vets readjust once their deployments end but that’s an unfair situation to put them in. By all means let’s have job training for returning vets but putting them in that situation is a bad idea.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:36:19am

LaPierre thinking a little too much about child spanking.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:36:58am

re: #162 jaunte

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Wayne, it’s your organization that blamed American Psycho for Sandy Hook and it’s your organization’s bought politicians that want to ban video games and music. STFU.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:37:35am
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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:37:40am

re: #141 FormerDirtDart

According to 10 U.S.C. § 311 only women who are current members of the National Guard are member of the Militia.

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i was only half serious.

you’d think dana would know its so obviously not “all of us”, katie

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ObserverArt  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:38:28am

re: #135 Belafon

The conversion of the NRA into a political arm of the GOP is complete.

Wait. I thought that happened back in Bill Clinton’s time in office.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:38:51am

re: #152 William Lewis

Memes. As always doing more harm than good.

I would say that it is not quite true. A self loader (aka Semi-automatic) either with an internal clip fed magazine like the M1 Garand or a small detachable box like the Browning BAR (not the military weapon - en.wikipedia.org ) do have appropriate places in hunting and range sports. These are both very different from the proverbial “black rifles” and I do think that if you try to spread any legislation too widely you will get push back from the Democrats that live in hunting country. One of the special elections up here that was won by a Democrat was a woman known as a keen hunter.

And that kind of thinking leads to nothing getting done. Is that they only way they can hunt? I doubt it. They can learn to live without one gun type.

There’s some of us that could come up with some pretty cool applications of a small amount of radioactive material. It would actually make a great heating source. But I’m not going to advocate for ending the ban on people owning that stuff.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:39:20am

I misnamed the Army’s program to put veterans in the classroom—it’s Troops To Teachers, now.
dantes.doded.mil

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:41:23am

re: #162 jaunte

Well, if LaPierre starts ranting about gay frogs, then I guess it’s not unfair to say all bets are off.

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William Lewis  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:41:32am

re: #120 Belafon

I am using the term military style weapon rather than assault weapon, because, to me, it gives a much clearer idea of the kind of weapon we want removed. An AR-15 is a military style weapon; the shotgun I have at home is not.

Equally important is to not let them get away with “Modern Sporting Rifles.”

Prior to WWI, most people were only familiar with either single shot or lever action rifles. Then the massive call up of 1917 happened and millions were introduced to bolt action rifles (1892 Krag to 1903 Springfield to 1917 Enfield). Add into the wave of surplus rifles (sold via the NRA) available after the war and before long the default hunting rifle in the US was a clone of the 1903 Mauser Springfield.

A similar thing started happening after Gulf 1 & the new model post 1977 NRA has tried to help it happen by pushing the idea of the AR platform as a “Modern Sporting Rifle”. The AR could be the basis of a semi decent hunting rifle but the vast majority of the ones on the market right now are simple semi-automatic clones of the M-4 carbine that are shit for hunting but excellent for tacti-cool accessories for people killing.

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Anymouse 🌹  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:41:46am

re: #154 dangerman

said totally tongue in cheek:

if we’re gonna go back to “very early on” to define the militia then it has to be the same standard for “arms”, right?

And if we go back to “very early on” to define “the press” then it has to be the same standard for “news media?”

I don’t like the II Amendment argument that “arms” should be what they had in the XVIII Century, because the same logic could be applied to the I Amendment.

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William Lewis  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:44:05am

re: #156 Dave In Austin

How many rounds?

Wisconsin used to require that detachable box magazines for hunting could hold 5 rounds maximum. Other types could hold as many as the built in magazine held which still tended to max out at 10.

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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:44:14am

re: #162 jaunte

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neither “family” nor “patriotism” are freedoms

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:45:11am

re: #162 jaunte

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“INTERVIEWED first? Who’s going to conduct that interview? And what will they ask?

Is your seatbelt on? Did you use proper signaling for that turn? Are your rear view mirrors adjusted so you can see clearly? Let’s see your insurance verification. Have you completed your 40 hours of training?

Oh sorry, those are all questions asked when you are trying to acquire that deadly drivers license.

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Kilroy was here  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:45:16am

Something what would make everyone less unhappy and maybe solve part of the problem.

Just reduce any rifles legal magazine size to 10 and make it illegal to own higher capacity types. This effects the magazine only not the rifles themselves.

Have a buy back program for those magazines to soften the blow.

Enforce the hell out of it with large fines and jail time for trying to sell them.

Hunters don’t use large magazines so they won’t care.

The 2nd Amendment doesn’t say anything about magazines.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:46:37am

re: #175 dangerman

neither “family” nor “patriotism” are freedoms

“Freedoms” is Wayne’s word for “shibboleths.”

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William Lewis  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:48:01am

re: #169 Belafon

And that kind of thinking leads to nothing getting done. Is that they only way they can hunt? I doubt it. They can learn to live without one gun type.

There’s some of us that could come up with some pretty cool applications of a small amount of radioactive material. It would actually make a great heating source. But I’m not going to advocate for ending the ban on people owning that stuff.

Get rid of modern military weapons then. You can make that case. Try to extend it to all semi-autos and you’ll not get it done for a whole lot longer (because you’ll have to replace not just a majority of one party but basically one and one half parties) with a whole lot more deaths happening in the meantime.

The perfect is the enemy of good enough. That’s true here as well.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:50:21am

My opinion is 5 rounds internal magazine for all new production center fire long guns. The right to a speedy reload is not covered by the second. and if you can’t take what you are hunting down within 5 rounds, you’re doing something wrong. Just my opinion.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:51:54am

re: #180 Dave In Austin

My opinion is 5 rounds internal magazine for all new production center fire long guns. The right to a speedy reload is not covered by the second. and if you can’t take what you are hunting down within 5 rounds, you’re doing something wrong. Just my opinion.

As soon as you get the majority of the Supreme Court to second your opinion, it will have some weight. How might we make that happen?

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William Lewis  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:52:41am

re: #177 Kilroy was here

Something what would make everyone less unhappy and maybe solve part of the problem.

Just reduce any rifles legal magazine size to 10 and make it illegal to own higher capacity types. This effects the magazine only not the rifles themselves.

Have a buy back program for those magazines to soften the blow.

Enforce the hell out of it with large fines and jail time for trying to sell them.

Hunters don’t use large magazines so they won’t care.

The 2nd Amendment doesn’t say anything about magazines.

While I tend to agree and think it’s appropriate, the 1st amendment doesn’t say anything about how much paper you can run through your press either. Just bear in mind that there will still be arguments against it.

In the short term, the legality of California’s moves on magazines needs to be played out in the courts as well to see if the current SCOTUS will accept that as reasonable regulation.

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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:53:48am

re: #178 jaunte

“Freedoms” is Wayne’s word for “shibboleths.”

yeah, i could never say that word correctly //

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:54:31am

re: #177 Kilroy was here

I remember a discussion of that from a couple of years ago. The counterargument was that some people just practice really hard and get so good at reloading that it doesn’t really matter. They’ll come up with any excuse.

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Weaselone  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:54:36am

re: #173 Anymouse 🌹

And if we go back to “very early on” to define “the press” then it has to be the same standard for “news media?”

I don’t like the II Amendment argument that “arms” should be what they had in the XVIII Century, because the same logic could be applied to the I Amendment.

Actually, we’re trying to push back on the 1st Amendment in much the same way we’re pushing back on the 2nd. The massive megaphones rich people buy themselves courtesy of having a massive pile of cash, actively infringes on the individual right to free speech by drowning out all other voices. This is pretty fucking similar to the issue where a single asshole can acquire more firepower than the average Revolutionary War Regiment without even the requirement to haul his or her ass onto the village green a couple of times a year to drill and demonstrate basic proficiency.

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plansbandc  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:56:06am

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Interesting Times  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:58:30am

HA:

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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:58:57am

totally ot

what is a “juvenile probation officer”?

it’s on a resume

i can think of at least two interpretations
i have not met the individual

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 7:59:44am

re: #188 dangerman

A probation officer specifically tasked with dealing with kids.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:00:55am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:02:09am

NRA members get a discount on ammunition, so some people who don’t agree with their extremism are still members for financial reasons. Hopefully having Wayne’s madness on display will peel off some of those members.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:02:50am

re: #190 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

[Wayne belongs in a mental-hospital, but is only a symptom of the radicalization of the NRA.

Well, there’s our metric for the proposed new gun screenings. Any process that let Wayne register a gun is too loose.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:05:34am

re: #141 FormerDirtDart

According to 10 U.S.C. § 311 only women who are current members of the National Guard are member of the Militia.

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I need to correct myself. Apparently “10 U.S.C. §311. Militia: composition and classes” has migrated to “10 U.S.C. §246. Militia: composition and classes” in the last few years.

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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:05:49am

re: #189 Belafon

A probation officer specifically tasked with dealing with kids.

yeah, that’s not where i was going at all…

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makeitstop  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:08:45am

Hoarse brings up the liability angle of arming teachers.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:09:01am

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Bubblehead II  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:10:09am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:10:18am

re: #195 makeitstop

I’ve been thinking the same damn thing for days now.

Or the teacher will be accidentally gunned down by a cop or a student will wrest the gun from a teacher and shoot another student.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:12:13am

re: #198 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve been thinking the same damn thing for days now.

Or the teacher will be accidentally gunned down by a cop or a student will wrest the gun from a teacher and shoot another student.

Or the teacher will be so busy that the gun will be left unattended because she got distracted.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:13:54am

Oh Look, there’s rain on the windshield.

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nines09  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:14:27am
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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:14:55am

re: #195 makeitstop

Hoarse brings up the liability angle of arming teachers.

Prediction:

Some small, very red township will arm teachers.

A teacher will be involved in a shooting death of a student.

The liability lawsuit will bankrupt the school district.

I give it two years.

the lawsuit will be because the teacher:

1. responded to an incident
2. did NOT respond to an incident

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Interesting Times  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:16:23am

What do you think of this line of argument?

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Dr. Matt  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:18:10am

re: #201 nines09

HOLY SHIT. Just now at CPAC, @SebGorka just raised his hand and threatened to hit @Mediaite reporter @calebecarma, then got in his face, told him to fuck off and shoved him.pic.twitter.com

— jordan (@JordanUhl) February 22, 2018

I hope there is video.

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plansbandc  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:18:43am

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:19:59am

re: #91 Unshaken Defiance

Morning news anchor funnies
Instead of Japanese Hockey Team she spoke a little too fast and pronounced Japanese sake team.

They wouldn’t have stood a chance against David Simon last night.

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nines09  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:20:31am

re: #204 Dr. Matt

It’s there. Click on video symbol lower right.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:20:56am

re: #189 Belafon

A probation officer specifically tasked with dealing with kids.

Unless its a probation officer who is a child. Who knows?/

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makeitstop  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:21:01am

re: #201 nines09

They’re all a bit testy today, aren’t they?

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justaminute  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:21:36am

Felt I had to come out of lerking mode and make a comment.

Pretty sure the 2nd Amendment was ment as a defensive measure for citizens.

I really don’t see the population of gun owners using assault rifle for day to day protection.

There really isn’t an assault weapon concealed and carry permit. Nor a glove compartment sized assault rifle. People are really not welcomed anywhere in public carrying their assault weapon, at least I haven’t seen them in Oklahoma.

Nor will the assault rifle be missed by the serious hunter.

The assault rifle is now used being used as an offensive measure by an offender to commit a crime.

Thanks for reading.

So basically for the law abiding citizen the assault rifle is used not for defense but a hobby. A hobby people can live without.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:21:48am

re: #207 nines09

It’s there. Click on video symbol lower right.

Twitter is blocked at my work. I’ll have to pull it up on my iPhone.

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JordanRules  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:21:55am

re: #203 Interesting Times

It was posted upthread and it’s the only thing that makes sense to me.

Yall might as well be discussing the merits of flying zombie frogs as air passenger travel AFAIC.

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nines09  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:22:07am

re: #209 makeitstop

They know they got their asses kicked last night. On live TV. By high school students.

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makeitstop  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:23:18am

re: #213 nines09

They know they got their asses kicked last night. On live TV. By high school students.

Yep. And they’re shook. Good.

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Interesting Times  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:23:38am

re: #212 JordanRules

It was posted upthread and it’s the only thing that makes sense to me.

Ha, that’s what I get for having too many tabs open at once and forgetting where I saw what :P (then again, some things deserve to be repeated)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:24:35am

re: #213 nines09

They know they got their asses kicked last night. On live TV. By high school students.

Their standard tactics of defame and dissemble are not working against these Internet and media-savvy kids who have really put a human face on the issue of gun control.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:24:46am

re: #203 Interesting Times

What do you think of this line of argument?

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I agree that the Right wants to turn the debate to whether or not to arm teachers rather than whether or not to ban assault rifles.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:24:50am

re: #209 makeitstop

They’re all a bit testy today, aren’t they?

The NRA is now the enemy of Generation Z. Big mistake. Big. Huge.

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Interesting Times  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:26:27am

Holy crap, I just discovered the official NRA/arms manufacturer song from 2006:

WE ARM THE WORLD - THE KINSEY SICKS

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Decatur Deb  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:27:04am

re: #203 Interesting Times

What do you think of this line of argument?

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Needs citations.

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Weaselone  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:27:24am

re: #198 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve been thinking the same damn thing for days now.

Or the teacher will be accidentally gunned down by a cop or a student will wrest the gun from a teacher and shoot another student.

It’s the accidental shootings that will drive the largest numbers. Teachers are in schools to teach. To teach and watch children. To teach, watch and discipline children. To teach, watch, discipline and instill values in children. To teach, watch, discipline, instill values and make good citizens of children…With 20 children in a classroom, the amount of head space teachers devote to their fire arms is going to drop to 0 multiple times a day. That means guns are going to get left in bathrooms, fall out of holsters, or otherwise find their way into the hands of children and those hands are going to sometimes end up inadvertently killing themselves, a classmate or a teacher

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JordanRules  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:27:30am
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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:27:47am

re: #203 Interesting Times

What do you think of this line of argument?

I understand the concern, but it has to be dealt with, because there are plenty of people who think it can be done or who wonder if it can be done. If you try to answer “What if we armed teachers?” with “BAN ASSUALT WEAPONS” you’re not going to convince them. The answer is “Arming teachers will not solve it, because armed faculty will not deter a shooter since there was an armed guard at the school. And there are a whole host of issues associated with teachers being armed. The only good solution is to return to when assault weapons were banned.”

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SteelPH  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:29:48am

re: #162 jaunte

I can’t shake the feeling LaPierre is sending a thinly veiled signal to his supporters that they need to kill Democrats.

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nines09  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:29:50am

re: #216 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Marco Rubio in some circles is being lauded for showing up. That’s what it’s come to. Doing your job is now exemplary action. So he shows up to a non hand picked audience on live TV and is promptly shown to be the idiot he always was. What? No snappy bible verse? The kids ripped his arguments to pieces. And he knows it.
High School Kids.
I wonder if journalists were watching, and getting pointers on how to ask questions and follow up questions until you get an answer or stunned silence.
Marco is a douche.

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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:30:23am

re: #220 Decatur Deb

Needs citations.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:30:53am

re: #224 SteelPH

I can’t shake the feeling LaPierre is sending a thinly veiled signal to his supporters that they need to kill Democrats.

I would not be surprised if he’s engaging in stochastic terrorism.

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JordanRules  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:31:34am

re: #223 Belafon

you’re not going to convince them

We’re not going to convince them. It’s crazy and they’re in the ballpark for thinking it’s not.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:32:33am

In six weeks, one percent of the adult population will be able to identify Marjory Stoneman Douglas school. On a multiple-choice test.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:33:11am

re: #224 SteelPH

The NRA’s constant message is that a gun is the only tool needed to solve a perceived problem, so yes.

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JordanRules  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:34:39am

re: #230 jaunte

And they use “economic anxiety” -like excuses to cover up their real issues.

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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:35:08am

re: #225 nines09

Marco Rubio in some circles is being lauded for showing up. That’s what it’s come to. Doing your job is now exemplary action. So he shows up to a non hand picked audience on live TV and is promptly shown to be the idiot he always was. What? No snappy bible verse? The kids ripped his arguments to pieces. And he knows it.
High School Kids.
I wonder if journalists were watching, and getting pointers on how to ask questions and follow up questions until you get an answer or stunned silence.
Marco is a douche.

Given the general political cowardliness that Marco fucking Rubio has shown through out his political career, he does deserve some credit for just showing up. Of course, all credit will be lost if/when gun control comes up for a vote and he makes some mealy mouthed statement about concern for balance and individual rights and then promptly proceeds to vote how McConnell and/or the NRA tell him to vote.

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nines09  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:37:16am

re: #232 KGxvi

Mario today with his handlers…

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nines09  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:37:57am

re: #233 nines09

Who am I kidding. He has no face to lose.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:39:32am

re: #233 nines09

Mario today with his handlers…

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“But careful with the follow-through….”

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Kilroy was here  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:40:47am

Guns in the classroom are a non-starter..

Unless someone can come up with a way to pay for implementing (pay for it) across the country it is a joke.

100,000 schools and 3.2 million teachers in the US.
Who pays for the guns, training, storage and insurance?

Also, most teachers would carry smaller pistols (lower weight, smaller size and low recoil). A cheap bullet proof vest can stop smaller pistol rounds cold.

So what is the point other than to distract from the problem and sell teachers useless guns?

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darthstar  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:41:01am

Just in case you thought the NRA was only focused on lawmakers…They like judges too.

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JordanRules  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:41:47am

re: #236 Kilroy was here

It would be insane bullshit even if we could pay for it.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:42:13am
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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:42:15am

re: #208 Big Beautiful Door

Unless its a probation officer who is a child. Who knows?/

or acts like one

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:42:28am
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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:42:52am

re: #230 jaunte

The NRA’s constant message is that a gun is the only tool needed to solve a perceived problem, so yes.

I don’t know which Homer Simpson clip is more appropriate, so I’m going to post them both (same episode):

Homer Buying a Gun

The Simpsons - Homer and his gun

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:42:52am

Curtis Rhodes, fascist:

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darthstar  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:42:57am

re: #237 darthstar

Just in case you thought the NRA was only focused on lawmakers…They like judges too.

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Scott Jones is going to need a new phone number.

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nines09  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:44:24am

A good guy with a gun will stop a bad guy with a gun. And you need a gun because there are a lot of bad guys with guns. How do we know this? Sales. Through the roof. And we sell to mentally ill people also, with no background checks.
So if you are scared about all those bad guys with guns we armed, buy guns.
It’s only way to save yourself.
Love;
Your NRA

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darthstar  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:46:21am

Falcon 9 pic taken this morning from Benicia in the Bay Area.

Sean Hannity will probably see sperm in this.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:48:37am

re: #246 darthstar

Falcon 9 pic taken this morning from Benicia in the Bay Area.

Sean Hannity will probably see sperm in this.

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You should make it the background of the Obama portrait.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:49:15am
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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:49:30am

re: #225 nines09

Marco Rubio in some circles is being lauded for showing up. That’s what it’s come to. Doing your job is now exemplary action. So he shows up to a non hand picked audience on live TV and is promptly shown to be the idiot he always was. What? No snappy bible verse? The kids ripped his arguments to pieces. And he knows it.
High School Kids.
I wonder if journalists were watching, and getting pointers on how to ask questions and follow up questions until you get an answer or stunned silence.
Marco is a douche.

they’re giving marco a participation medal
everyone gets a trophy!
it really is a low form of embarrassment that ‘showing up” is all they can come up with
its the trump standard - he didnt shit himself on national tv, so winner!

and yeah, the bold.

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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:51:29am

re: #236 Kilroy was here

Guns in the classroom are a non-starter..

Unless someone can come up with a way to pay for implementing (pay for it) across the country it is a joke.

100,000 schools and 3.2 million teachers in the US.
Who pays for the guns, training, storage and insurance?

Also, most teachers would carry smaller pistols (lower weight, smaller size and low recoil). A cheap bullet proof vest can stop smaller pistol rounds cold.

So what is the point other than to distract from the problem and sell teachers useless guns?

teachers will still be outgunned

they will not be running into the line of fire

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:52:00am
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JordanRules  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:52:33am

*mumbles to self*
They won’t even let guns into CPAC but we’re supposed to have an earnest discussion about arming teachers and turning schools into battlegrounds* FOH!!
*deep sigh*

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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:53:55am

re: #252 JordanRules

*mumbles to self*
They won’t even let guns into CPac but we’re supposed to have an earnest discussion about arming teachers and turning schools into battlegrounds* FOH!!
*deep sigh*

I always do find that to be the funniest annual bit about CPAC

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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:54:18am

First you said obama was coming for your guns - he didnt

Then you threatened hillary was gonna take them - she wasnt

Wouldnt it be ironic if the first restrictions in a long long time came out of a republican administration and congress…

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nines09  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:55:08am

re: #232 KGxvi

Like Lindsey Graham “concern”, or McCain “furrowed brow”? Like Jeff Flake “ripping” Trump? Mitt Romney “welcoming” Trumps support?
Every last one of these weasels are the same.
This is not politics. This is social deconstruction.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:55:14am
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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:55:15am

re: #225 nines09

Marco Rubio in some circles is being lauded for showing up. That’s what it’s come to. Doing your job is now exemplary action. So he shows up to a non hand picked audience on live TV and is promptly shown to be the idiot he always was. What? No snappy bible verse? The kids ripped his arguments to pieces. And he knows it.
High School Kids.
I wonder if journalists were watching, and getting pointers on how to ask questions and follow up questions until you get an answer or stunned silence.
Marco is a douche.

From yesterday:

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:56:27am

I see Wayne LaPierre decided to make my analysis of the NRA’s purpose text, not subtext.

FUTURE PSYCHIC

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Interesting Times  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:56:47am

At this rate, we’ll have to add Jennifer Rubin to the “perfectly functioning clock” file:

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JordanRules  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:57:20am
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nines09  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:57:58am

re: #257 Belafon

It is rather obvious. One of the reasons I can’t watch TV. The shit they let them get away with. “So it’s the Democrats who are the true Nazis?”
Yes.
“Oh. Ok. And now can we talk about that suit you’re wearing?”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:58:04am

re: #122 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I am not making light of people with Alzheimer’s.

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jeffreyw  Feb 22, 2018 • 8:59:03am

re: #119 ObserverArt

You did it…you put a chimney on the feeder with white smoke!

Hahahahaha…nice!

I was thinking maybe no one would notice! Thanks, pal!

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ObserverArt  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:01:00am

re: #263 jeffreyw

I was thinking maybe no one would notice! Thanks, pal!

I don’t call myself ObserverArt for nothing!

And I was the one that mentioned adding the chimney…so I saw it right off.

You made my day. I’m easy.

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JordanRules  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:01:34am
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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:01:43am

re: #254 dangerman

First you said obama was coming for your guns - he didnt

Then you threatened hillary was gonna take them - she wasnt

Wouldnt it be ironic if the first restrictions in a long long time came out of a republican administration and congress…

Ancient Vulcan proverb: Only Nixon could go to China.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:02:56am

re: #256 jaunte

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We’ll know how this message comes across when Giuliani makes some smug-ass comment on Fox News about “something big” coming up.

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JordanRules  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:02:58am
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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:05:13am

re: #259 Interesting Times

At this rate, we’ll have to add Jennifer Rubin to the “perfectly functioning clock” file:

What happened last night and happened today demonstrate that it’s not about protecting fucking anyone. They can’t even feign sympathy, because the dead people and the survivors matter less than their competence fantasy. It’s exactly the same rhythm that defines other variety of reactionaries surrounding Trump: baying at the world for deference, commanding compliance, doubt is an existential threat.

Of course they’ve fallen in line with the next rhetorical jump to the “Deep State” and everything is “socialism”—plus open accusations of treason for everyone—the one constant is that no one else actually matters.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:06:33am

re: #262 GlutenFreeJesus

I am not making light of people with Alzheimer’s.

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Sometimes you have to chuckle, though. My wife is a care giver. One of her clients on Monday mistakenly scratched Monday and Tuesday off of her calendar on Monday. She had a hair appointment on Wednesday. For seven straight hours she was picking up her calendar and saying “when am I going to my appointment?” Sad, but also heartwarming in a way—that contact and physical touch is so meaningful still.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:08:01am
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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:09:19am

re: #271 Ace-o-aces

Or, you know, he’ll target them first?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:10:49am

re: #271 Ace-o-aces

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JordanRules  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:11:20am
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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:12:31am

re: #259 Interesting Times

At this rate, we’ll have to add Jennifer Rubin to the “perfectly functioning clock” file:

As we saw from NRA spokeswoman Dana Loesch’s appalling performance (she was condescending, dismissive, non-responsive) at the CNN town hall, the NRA is peculiarly disadvantaged in this debate

the word is particularly

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:13:52am

re: #269 The Ghost of a Flea

I’m also going to remind everyone of one of my oldest contentions on this board:

These people do not care about the 2nd amendment as a right.

The minute they feel they have enough license to create a biased structure that protects their own, they will figure out how the disarm people who are not part of their reactionary sphere. Their cultural reading of “who is a threat” and “who can be shot by police or a vigilante and it is deserved” points to how this distinction—the right to carry unquestioned versus the a priori assumption of threat—is already in place culturally, and in the back end of use-of-force laws like “Stand Your Ground.”

It’s not about rights, it’s about dyeing the nation in reactionary colors.

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ObserverArt  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:14:52am

re: #273 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
….If a potential “sicko shooter” knows that a school has a large number of very weapons talented teachers (and others) who will be instantly shooting, the sicko will NEVER attack that school. Cowards won’t go there…problem solved. Must be offensive, defense alone won’t work!

Oh, it appears Donny read off his note sheet for this Tweet. That would be the one Wayne LaPeeAir sent him this morning, composed after watching last night.

I like that “very weapons talented teachers (and others)” bit. That sound straight out of Wayne’s World of Imaginative Gun Debate Topics.

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plansbandc  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:15:35am

re: #242 KGxvi

Bloodbath & Beyond makes it art.

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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:15:50am

re: #271 Ace-o-aces

…If a potential “sicko shooter” knows that a school has a large number of very weapons talented teachers (and others) who will be instantly shooting, the sicko will NEVER attack that school. Cowards won’t go there…problem solved. Must be offensive, defense alone won’t work!

“defense alone” my ass
you folks havent offered one “defense” solution

nothing viable to even try to prevent the shooting in the first place

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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:17:41am

re: #276 The Ghost of a Flea

I’m also going to remind everyone of one of my oldest contentions on this board:

These people do not care about the 2nd amendment as a right.

The minute they feel they have enough license to create a biased structure that protects their own, they will figure out how the disarm people who are not part of their reactionary sphere. Their cultural reading of “who is a threat” and “who can be shot by police or a vigilante and it is deserved” points to how this distinction—the right to carry unquestioned versus the a priori assumption of threat—is already in place culturally, and in the back end of use-of-force laws like “Stand Your Ground.”

It’s not about rights, it’s about dyeing the nation in reactionary colors.

and this is why i questioned upthread whether dana really meant “all of us”

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makeitstop  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:18:19am

re: #259 Interesting Times

At this rate, we’ll have to add Jennifer Rubin to the “perfectly functioning clock” file:

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I was saying this yesterday. Their usual shit-flinging tactics won’t work.

These kids grew up on the internet. They’re not afraid of getting flamed, they laugh it off.

And the ‘adults’ (using the term loosely here) can’t go after high school kids like they do Democrats, because they’re high school kids. D’Souza and Hoft were early examples of this, and the pushback was swift and effective. It cost them real money.

No wonder they’re shitting themselves and lashing out. The Parkland kids took their playbook and fucking torched it. What do they do now?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:18:35am

re: #279 dangerman

“defense alone” my ass
you folks havent offered one “defense” solution

nothing viable to even try to prevent the shooting in the first place

No, but Trump really is offensive.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:21:37am
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:21:52am
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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:23:02am

re: #280 dangerman

Trayvon Martin demonstrated without question that it’s not about “all of us.”

An armed, grown man followed a child in his car, then on foot. When that pursuit turned into a fight, the child is shot and it’s “self defense.”

The implication of a grown man following a child around a neighborhood—“unofficial neighborhood watch”—with no cause somehow being a neutral act, not fucking creepy and rape-y and stalkerish, is where you can see that it’s not about honor or community or defense.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:23:03am

re: #283 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Yawn.

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Citizen K  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:23:26am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:25:05am

re: #284 Ace-o-aces

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:25:22am

re: #284 Ace-o-aces

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What good is a gun going to do if you’re ambushed in a lecture? What good will it do if students don’t know who the shooter is? What happens if students get caught in the gun battle? We need less guns, less gun fantasy, & practical solutions not the ideas of people who think reality is a tacky action movie.

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ObserverArt  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:25:44am

re: #279 dangerman

“defense alone” my ass
you folks havent offered one “defense” solution

nothing viable to even try to prevent the shooting in the first place

One of the former FBI guys that MSNBC uses said the other day something to the effect of: “If you have a guy with a long rifle walking across your school parking lot you have already lost ground.”

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Citizen K  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:26:31am

re: #285 The Ghost of a Flea

Trayvon Martin demonstrated without question that it’s not about “all of us.”

An armed, grown man followed a child in his car, then on foot. When that pursuit turned into a fight, the child is shot and it’s “self defense.”

The implication of a grown man following a child around a neighborhood—“unofficial neighborhood watch”—with no cause somehow being a neutral act, not fucking creepy and rape-y and stalkerish, is where you can see that it’s not about honor or community or defense.

Worse, the NRA personally profited off the entire thing by helping turn Trayvon Martin into the posterchild of ‘the enemy’ the NRA positions themselves against: the mythical, hyper-violent super-criminal thug attacking ‘good citizens’ out of nowhere because they’re ‘animals’. They literally and successfully turned his name into a synonym for ‘thug’ so they could sell more fucking guns and push more laws in Florida and across the nation to ensure guns were treated as nigh-mandatory.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:29:01am

re: #208 Big Beautiful Door

Unless its a probation officer who is a child. Who knows?/

or: Adam Sandler: Probation Officer

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nines09  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:29:18am

Thread

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ObserverArt  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:30:24am

Gorka a bully. Imagine that.

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makeitstop  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:32:39am

Some back story - Gorka once challenged Caleb Ecarma to a fight - and Gorka backed down. Pretty funny, expecially Caleb busting Gorka’s balls over his V-4 Mustang.

(Edited because I had the challenge attributed to the wrong party.)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:34:08am

re: #293 nines09

Thread

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:34:09am

Good morning, all. I posted this once before, but here it is again: Prime Reading (download free if you have Amazon Prime and a Kindle) has put Black Panther Vol. 1 on their list.

At this time, this means get it free and keep it as long as you want.

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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:34:46am

re: #283 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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a blastocyst is not a “child”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:35:58am

re: #298 dangerman

a blastocyst is not a “child”

It is if you’re a right-wing wackjob who opposes women’s rights.

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darthstar  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:37:11am
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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:44:13am

re: #287 Citizen K

#CPAC & the #NRA make it consistently clear: modern American conservatism is an apocalyptic cult. They see terrorism & communism around every shadow, and the only answer is MORE GUN. It’s violent, terrifying paranoia at its finest

its also interesting that cpac and nra are almost being promoted as one and the same and that theres not much more to “conservatism” than this

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darthstar  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:44:27am

Good article.

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MsJ  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:44:29am

re: #103 FormerDirtDart

Damn, when did that happen?
I was up late watching the Women’s Hockey Gold Medal game.

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Shuster and his team are playing brilliantly…the best he ever has. The USOC has given him shit for years, for being overweight (he then lost 35 pounds), for not being good enough (he wins the play downs every Olympic cycle) and they just treat him like shit. The USOC puts teams together, they are not like in Canada where they play on the teams with whom they desire and from my understanding Shuster and George (his 3rd) don’t especially like each other, they are professional curling partners. They got the job done (beat the Canadians twice, an Olympic first) and as much as I like Team Edin (the Swedes they will be playing for Gold), I am totally on the US train to gold.

Go get ‘em, John. It’s your time. Grab that ring!

I am going to be cheering like a man woman. USA! USA! USA!

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Citizen K  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:45:25am

re: #301 dangerman

its also interesting that cpac and nra are almost being promoted as one and the same and that theres not much more to “conservatism” than this

It’s worked like gangbusters for them so far.

I hope this is finally a turning point, but still…

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scottslemmons  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:47:11am

This video hit on a lot of good points — guns, the never-ending rightwing hatred cycle, Todd Starnes’ authority worship.

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Mattand  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:47:35am
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darthstar  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:49:13am
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:49:28am

re: #225 nines09

Marco Rubio in some circles is being lauded for showing up. That’s what it’s come to. Doing your job is now exemplary action. So he shows up to a non hand picked audience on live TV and is promptly shown to be the idiot he always was. What? No snappy bible verse? The kids ripped his arguments to pieces. And he knows it.
High School Kids.
I wonder if journalists were watching, and getting pointers on how to ask questions and follow up questions until you get an answer or stunned silence.
Marco is a douche.

He may be a sacrificial douche. But he did show up to face a totally hostile audience. Perhaps he will finally realize that he will never be president and will use this experience to rethink his positions and do the right thing

OK — I know that’s really a very unlikely outcome — but a woman can dream, can’t she?

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Citizen K  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:49:58am

re: #306 Mattand

This fucking guy…

Bernie blames Hillary for allowing Russian interference

And it feels like half the electorate on the left-wing side of thing will eat it up because Hillary has been so successfully demonized. THey will never be happy until anything related to Hillary will be fully purged and hung in effigy.

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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:50:03am

re: #290 ObserverArt

One of the former FBI guys that MSNBC uses said the other day something to the effect of: “If you have a guy with a long rifle walking across your school parking lot you have already lost ground.”

worse:

marco rubio admitted on the radio last week that the reason the ar-15 is ‘popular’ is because it is small(er) and easy to conceal in a bag or backpack

then he links the ar-15 to deer rifles and other long guns trying to twist the point if you ban the ar-15 it wont matter. these other guns shoot fast and theyre dangerous too

so with ar-15’s out there, you dont even know you have a guy with a ‘long gun” walking across your school parking lot

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:50:17am

“Forces real human connections” LOLWUT

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:51:01am

re: #306 Mattand

I skimmed that yesterday, and then decided it deserved the same amount of attention that Sanders did.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:51:03am

re: #311 The Vicious Babushka

“Forces real human connections” LOLWUT

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Says the man who gives his opponents trashy nicknames.

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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:51:44am

re: #308 Hecuba’s daughter

He may be a sacrificial douche.

If that doesn’t end up on his grave stone, we have failed as a nation.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:52:00am

re: #307 darthstar

You can’t be on offense if you’re sitting back waiting for a shooter. That’s called defense. The shooter is always on offense.

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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:52:44am

re: #299 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It is if you’re a right-wing wackjob who opposes women’s rights.

i know what you mean

if you’re a right-wing wackjob who opposes women’s rights it’s still not a child

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Citizen K  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:52:53am

re: #311 The Vicious Babushka

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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:53:19am

re: #311 The Vicious Babushka

“Forces real human connections” LOLWUT

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The addled brain probably mixed up forges and forces.

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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:54:30am

re: #318 KGxvi

The addled brain probably mixed up forges and forces.

Although, I find it interesting that not even Fox News is fixing his mispronunciations anymore.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:55:35am

re: #291 Citizen K

Worse, the NRA personally profited off the entire thing by helping turn Trayvon Martin into the posterchild of ‘the enemy’ the NRA positions themselves against: the mythical, hyper-violent super-criminal thug attacking ‘good citizens’ out of nowhere because they’re ‘animals’. They literally and successfully turned his name into a synonym for ‘thug’ so they could sell more fucking guns and push more laws in Florida and across the nation to ensure guns were treated as nigh-mandatory.

Another favorite sticking point of mine: you can be an idealist and a cynic at the same time if you have no self-reflection.

The NRA both loves the story that justifies gun sales, but also loves the story that the world is full of the totally depraved and thus requires hard men and lethal responses.

re: #301 dangerman

its also interesting that cpac and nra are almost being promoted as one and the same and that theres not much more to “conservatism” than this

“Conservative” means looking backwards, toward tradition and existing norms and mores.

But the semiotic fuckery is: the past only exists within the frame an individual in the present puts on it, and you can even fabricate a past to justify and position as “conservative.”

Which is exactly the Orwellian trench these people are digging. CPAC in general and the NRA in specific are intentionally re-writing the past, and thus what defines “America” and doing so in a way that cuts out most Americans from legitimacy. And the specific policy prescriptions they make reinforce the distinction by allocating money to “real Americans,” undermining equality of law (hence the love of summary execution, hence the love of legal penalties handed out so unevenly that equality under law is an on-paper proposition).

This distinction—we decided what the rules-as-written are, day by day, to our advantage and the detriment of others—defines their newly-invented exegesis, their gnostic reading of the Constitution and the Founders’ commentaries on liberty…and who gets to kill and who deserves to die.

No one else really matters is the repeated theme.

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makeitstop  Feb 22, 2018 • 9:57:15am

re: #311 The Vicious Babushka

“Forces real human connections” LOLWUT

Says the man who can’t be bothered to spend time with his own 11 year old son.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:01:07am

Why in God’s name is Jared Kushner the #1 consumer of highly classified information in the WH? The only thing this douchebag is known for is taking off on secret junkets to KSA and its environs (and debt). I mean, I know he solved the Israel-Palestine problem//, but what gives?…..

But seriously, I hope IC has ways of monitoring him. The guy who wanted to use Russian equipment to set up backdoor communications? I’m worried.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:01:27am

re: #321 makeitstop

Says the man who can’t be bothered to spend time with his own 11 year old son.

Seriously are there any photos of him bonding with the kid at all?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:02:11am

re: #311 The Vicious Babushka

“Forces real human connections” LOLWUT

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:02:12am

re: #230 jaunte

The NRA’s constant message is that a gun is the only tool needed to solve a perceived problem, so yes.

Remember their message in in 2008: That Obama was coming for our guns?

And then in 2012…that his inaction for the past four years was just to lull us into a false sense of security?

Gotta admire their ability to play the gullible.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:03:51am

re: #239 jaunte

Meanwhile, the superintendent of Needville Independent School District in Fort Bend County has threatened to suspend students who take part in demonstrations against gun violence during school hours.

Students will weigh risk of suspension vs risk of being gunned down…

this is all going to backfire on these idiots.

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darthstar  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:04:42am
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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:04:54am

Trump wouldn’t know a ‘real human connection’ even if he had to pay it a hundred grand not to talk.

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darthstar  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:05:22am

re: #328 jaunte

Trump wouldn’t know a ‘real human connection’ even if he had to pay it a hundred grand not to talk.

130 grand.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:05:51am

re: #329 darthstar

Rounding down for inclusiveness!

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:06:04am

re: #327 darthstar

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Just reading about his “American elites want to control everything…they think they’re smarter than you…” BS. It’s pure Trump. They are joined at the hip.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:06:57am

Pay inequity among his NDA harem is going to trip Trump up.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:07:01am
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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:07:36am

re: #322 Barefoot Grin

Why in God’s name is Jared Kushner the #1 consumer of highly classified information in the WH? The only thing this douchebag is known for is taking off on secret junkets to KSA and its environs (and debt). I mean, I know he solved the Israel-Palestine problem//, but what gives?…..

But seriously, I hope IC has ways of monitoring him. The guy who wanted to use Russian equipment to set up backdoor communications? I’m worried.

The president is uninterested in governing or doing much of anything beyond watching the news, tweeting about what he sees on the news, and cheating at golf. Kushner got the gig because Trump only knows how to work with family - he’s never had a “real job” (meaning a position in a company where either he or his father was not the CEO or where their name wasn’t literally on the building) - so rather than finding someone competent and without conflicting interests, Trump turns to his son in law (I’ll avoid the joke about Kushner being the one guy that can do what Trump can’t, but ya know…). And it’s not like Trump really cares about conflicts of interest, because at the end of the day, it’s all a scam for the family to get rich.

My hope is that between being a immediate family member of the president and a high ranking White House official with, dubious (at best), security clearance, Kushner can’t even use the bathroom without a Secret Service body man present.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:09:25am
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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:09:25am

re: #327 darthstar

Wayne LaPierre: Right to bear arms is “not bestowed by man but granted by God to all Americans as our American birthright.

pretty sure only one of the relevant words in that sentence is in my bible

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:10:05am

an armed society is a society where every idiot and psychopath in the country is packing heat and could kill you for no reason because they panic or think their dog told them that you are the devil

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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:10:12am

re: #327 darthstar

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GOD DID NOT WRITE THE FUCKING CONSTITUTION. In fact, just before the Second Amendment, he was kindly asked to step out of the fucking room.

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SteelPH  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:10:22am

re: #293 nines09

These are the kind of people who believe that “might makes right”, they’re proverbially “stronger” than others in some way, and thus they are right, they are correct, they are the paragon of everything we should look up to.
Whereas I firmly believe in “might for right”, those who have power should use that power to do good things because they’re good things.
Because using your power to force others to do what you say is not heroic. It’s being a bully.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:10:27am

*SPIT*

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wrenchwench  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:10:30am

When I was a kid, they used to warn us about ‘the long-hairs’. Now, kids get to be warned about ‘the long guns’.

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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:10:32am

re: #336 dangerman

pretty sure only one of the relevant words in that sentence is in my bible

bestowed?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:12:14am

re: #327 darthstar

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:14:22am
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:15:31am
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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:15:51am

re: #342 KGxvi

bestowed?

“our”

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:15:56am
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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:16:39am

re: #345 Ace-o-aces

The internet is a series of tubes.

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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:17:03am

re: #346 dangerman

“our”

damn, I had “our” as a +6000 underdog on that one. Figured “bestowed” at +1200 was the best bet.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:18:19am

re: #345 Ace-o-aces

Wayne’s telling parents they need to turn on their kids before the kids do it to them.

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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:19:32am

re: #345 Ace-o-aces

LaPierre at CPAC is warning that children are being turned into spies on their parents

That’s an old Bircher tale about the commies.

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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:19:33am

re: #349 KGxvi

damn, I had “our” as a +6000 underdog on that one. Figured “bestowed” at +1200 was the best bet.

to be fair, “god” is in there, under another name

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:19:46am
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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:20:37am

re: #352 dangerman

to be fair, “god” is in there, under another name

Oh, god was the favorite at -8000. America, meanwhile, was -800.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:20:38am

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

*SPIT*

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Saw that, soooooo gross.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:21:09am

I always enjoy finely tuned snark.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:22:09am

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:22:15am
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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:22:19am

re: #356 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I always enjoy finely tuned snark.

It’s amazing that snark is ultimately what’s going to take down the wingularity. Who knew that snark was the antimatter of wingnuts?

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:23:41am

re: #356 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I always enjoy finely tuned snark.

Savage af.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:24:03am

re: #359 KGxvi

It’s amazing that snark is ultimately what’s going to take down the wingularity. Who knew that snark was the antimatter of wingnuts?

The bard and the jester have been good ways of dealing with the powerful (my son and I have had this talk before).

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SteelPH  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:24:13am

re: #359 KGxvi

It’s amazing that snark is ultimately what’s going to take down the wingularity. Who knew that snark was the antimatter of wingnuts?

As a snarky bastard, myself, they make me proud.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:24:26am

re: #341 wrenchwench

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:24:28am

re: #358 Backwoods_Sleuth

Did anyone ask Dana about that?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:24:29am
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makeitstop  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:24:58am

re: #356 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I know I was heard because I saw it on Trump’s little card.”

These kids are just brutal. I love it

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:25:37am

re: #333 FormerDirtDart

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With an app. Not with a phone, not in writing, not in person. With an app.

Comrade Stalin would have killed for this shit…literally.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:28:42am

re: #317 Citizen K

.@POTUS: ‘We will work together to create a culture of our country that cherishes life and forces real human connections.” pic.twitter.com

— Fox News

“Now let me tell you more about Crooked Hillary and the Fake News Media….”

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:28:50am

re: #367 Targetpractice

With an app. Not with a phone, not in writing, not in person. With an app.

Comrade Stalin would have killed for this shit…literally.

My son has been called into the counselors office twice over the 3.5 years he’s been in high school because classmates were worried he was suicidal. I can understand that, because my son is the quiet type, and doesn’t get worked up over a lot of things.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:29:49am

“Very weapons talented teachers (and others”)? I know it’s Twitter, but:

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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:30:18am

re: #361 Belafon

The bard and the jester have been good ways of dealing with the powerful (my son and I have had this talk before).

True. But it has been rather remarkable to watch the way these kids have utterly dismantled the wingularity’s ability to frame issues and otherwise fuck shit up. This is probably my absolute favorite:

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:30:29am

re: #369 Belafon

My son has been called into the counselors office twice over the 3.5 years he’s been in high school because a kid was worried he was suicidal. I can understand that, because my son is the quiet type, and doesn’t get worked up over a lot of things.

Ayep. We live in an age where “swatting” is a real thing, and we think giving teens an app that could lead to that bully they don’t like getting a visit from the FBI is a good idea.

FFS

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:30:39am
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EPR-radar  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:31:18am

re: #345 Ace-o-aces

“Unbowed, LaPierre at CPAC is warning that children are being turned into spies on their parents, used to gather information for the “cloud” that will ultimately undermine gun rights.”

I fail to see any problem with this. The entire notion of “gun rights” is a farce that we’ve put up with for far too long.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:32:04am

re: #371 KGxvi

True. But it has been rather remarkable to watch the way these kids have utterly dismantled the wingularity’s ability to frame issues and otherwise fuck shit up. This is probably my absolute favorite:

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A question I’m sure Bill’O never asked in the lead-up to Iraq.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:33:08am

re: #371 KGxvi

True. But it has been rather remarkable to watch the way these kids have utterly dismantled the wingularity’s ability to frame issues and otherwise fuck shit up. This is probably my absolute favorite:

I agree. These kids are very good. I’ve been trying to encourage my son to go into political writing, a la Will Rogers or Molly Ivins, because he’s got that same kind of snarky attitude.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:34:42am

By the way, as I noted last night, there are states in the union (Kansas and Oklahoma being prominent examples) where the state budgets are so eviscerated by wingnut lunacy that they can’t afford to pay teachers to be on the job 5 days a week. But they’re suddenly going to find a 20-40% “bonus” for teachers to arm themselves? Not gonna happen. And if this is supposed to be out of the federal coffers, then where is Trump gonna find the money? Probably from cutting some school program that his base thinks is “a waste of money.”

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Amory Blaine  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:39:35am

Forces human connection? Like rape?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:41:33am

jeebus

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makeitstop  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:41:54am

re: #371 KGxvi

True. But it has been rather remarkable to watch the way these kids have utterly dismantled the wingularity’s ability to frame issues and otherwise fuck shit up. This is probably my absolute favorite:

The term ‘asymmetrical warfare’ comes to mind here.

Wingnuts applied it first, throwing away any adherence to decorum. And since sane people hadn’t abandoned basic decorum, wingnuts were treated with a certain amount of deference. And they got used to it.

These kids give less of a fuck about decorum than wingnuts do. Bill O’Reilly? He’s just another wrong-headed asshole to these kids, and they’re treating him like it. Likewise Trump, and Rubio, and their footsoldiers Loesch and Hannity. They’re all being trolled and treated just like any rando on the internet, and they fucking hate it.

They made that bed, though. Now they get to go lie the fuck down and take their internet beatings from a bunch of kids who are way better at it than they are.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:42:13am

Comrade Gorka and his penchant for violence should be banned from owning firearms.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:43:55am

re: #379 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

And there’s a reason for that, Donald: You’re trying to underpay for the job that is needed.

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JordanRules  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:44:11am

re: #379 Backwoods_Sleuth

Crazy person talking crazy about crazy policy. Kinda makes sense.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:44:43am

re: #371 KGxvi

True. But it has been rather remarkable to watch the way these kids have utterly dismantled the wingularity’s ability to frame issues and otherwise fuck shit up. This is probably my absolute favorite:

The RW is learning that their chief tactic of attack and defame is backfiring badly on these schoolkids.

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CongoJack  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:44:49am

re: #381 Dr. Matt

Or be extradited to Hungary to face illegal gun charges; be made a felon; and have it access to the USA restricted.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:46:02am
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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:46:14am

re: #380 makeitstop

The term ‘asymmetrical warfare’ comes to mind here.

Wingnuts applied it first, throwing away any adherence to decorum. And since sane people hadn’t abandoned basic decorum, wingnuts were treated with a certain amount of deference. And they got used to it.

These kids give less of a fuck about decorum than wingnuts do. Bill O’Reilly? He’s just another wrong-headed asshole to these kids, and they’re treating him like it. Likewise Trump, and Rubio, and their footsoldiers Loesch and Hannity. They’re all being trolled and treated just like any rando on the internet, and they fucking hate it.

They made that bed, though. Now they get to go lie the fuck down and take their internet beatings from a bunch of kids who are way better at it than they are.

Which is a big reason the young tend to lead change. Even I recognize I’m invested in maintaining some norms (I have a kid about to go to college and one more young one. Do I really want to consider a major life change with them still needing me). They have less tying themselves down. And I’m ok with them leading and getting credit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:46:26am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:46:34am

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

*SPIT*

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NO, NO, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:47:34am
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scottslemmons  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:47:57am

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

*SPIT*

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On the other hand, I’m sure it’s cold in Washington, and people would like a nice bonfire to keep warm.

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JordanRules  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:48:37am

Good statement and good on his daughters.

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darthstar  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:51:24am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:53:02am
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wrenchwench  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:53:06am

re: #363 Stanley Sea

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:54:16am
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Dr. Matt  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:54:23am

re: #393 darthstar

Dana Loesch came to me 10yrs ago pitching a sitcom starring herself: “A hot young mom who does far right radio show.” Said her age & looks would make 1 side hate her & 1 love her so everyone would watch. Was obsessed w the potential fame & money. I turned her down.
— Paul Guyot (@Fizzhogg) February 22, 2018

Wingnut welfare knows no bounds. These animals will always find a way to grift.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:55:59am
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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:56:06am

“It’s time for the adults to act like adults. These guns are allowing lots of people to be killed.”
“But that’s my second amendment right.”
“Then maybe you should think about how much that right truly means compared to your kids.”
“But my guns! Mommy!”

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:56:33am

The “armed teachers” bit is why Trump is getting away with the “I’m cool with gun control” bit. Wayne knows the former will be the way forward, while the latter will get bogged down in committee and quietly killed away from the public eye.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:56:39am

re: #390 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:59:08am

Trump keeps promising how his ideas will be “cheaper” than the alternatives, but he can never explain how he is going to fund them.

That’s what’s called a “conman,” children.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:59:26am
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ObserverArt  Feb 22, 2018 • 10:59:37am

re: #341 wrenchwench

When I was a kid, they used to warn us about ‘the long-hairs’. Now, kids get to be warned about ‘the long guns’.

And the short hairs…of Emma.

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jeffreyw  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:00:34am

re: #264 ObserverArt

I don’t call myself ObserverArt for nothing!

And I was the one that mentioned adding the chimney…so I saw it right off.

You made my day. I’m easy.

“The Art of Observing”, by ObserverArt — This book has 5000 five star ratings on GoodReads and several hundred hilarious reviews at Amazon!

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Stanley Sea  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:00:49am

re: #395 wrenchwench

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:01:25am
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gocart mozart  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:01:56am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:02:01am

JFC

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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:02:15am

re: #380 makeitstop

The term ‘asymmetrical warfare’ comes to mind here.

Wingnuts applied it first, throwing away any adherence to decorum. And since sane people hadn’t abandoned basic decorum, wingnuts were treated with a certain amount of deference. And they got used to it.

These kids give less of a fuck about decorum than wingnuts do. Bill O’Reilly? He’s just another wrong-headed asshole to these kids, and they’re treating him like it. Likewise Trump, and Rubio, and their footsoldiers Loesch and Hannity. They’re all being trolled and treated just like any rando on the internet, and they fucking hate it.

They made that bed, though. Now they get to go lie the fuck down and take their internet beatings from a bunch of kids who are way better at it than they are.

Everyone who runs for the Democratic nomination in 2020 should hire someone between the age of 17 and 24 to run their social media accounts and let them do whatever the fuck they want.

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wrenchwench  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:02:58am

re: #404 ObserverArt

And the short hairs…of Emma.

Hair will never not be political. It’s a personal choice that won’t be hidden. And if it is hidden, that’s political even more so.

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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:03:14am

re: #394 Backwoods_Sleuth

TRUMP CALLS FOR MILITARIZED SCHOOLS: “I want a hardened school… I would like to see true people w/great talent at guns, being adept at guns, of which there is only a percentage of people. Whatever that percentage may be, it’s substantial. You can’t hire enough security guards.]

first: “adept at guns”? WTF????

second: this percentage thing
substantial or not he just said not everyone who already owns a gun is “adept”

.:. some people who have guns are not capable of controlling them, let alone using them.

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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:03:44am

re: #401 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I was unaware MS-13 was active in California. Also, fairly sure this is a win-win.

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makeitstop  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:05:09am

Some people have a pretty warped idea of fun.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:05:29am

re: #409 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

We should send him to prison and then ask if he thinks having schools the same way wouldn’t be negative.

Or maybe we should stop after the sixth word.

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jeffreyw  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:05:55am

re: #265 JordanRules

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I watched Commando way back when and noticed that one of the rifles Arnold had slung was made from rubber when the barrel wobbled during an action scene. I giggled.

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lawhawk  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:06:12am

re: #413 KGxvi

MS-13 got its start in California during the Reagan years. It originated in Los Angeles.

It’s still active there, though most of the notoriety comes from their gangs here on the East Coast (NY metro area).

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:06:18am

“We’re going to be giving some of you bonuses.”

“For what?”

“Bringing a gun to work every day.”

“What?!”

“Yeah, we figure if we offer bonuses for being armed, teachers will serve as deterrents against shooters.”

“Really? So will the school system be providing us a stipend to purchase a gun?”

“No.”

“Then perhaps one to get the training to use our guns effectively?”

“Nope.”

“Hazard pay?”

“Negative.”

“And if we shoot a student, even accidentally, will the school’s insurance policy cover us?”

“It will not.”

“So we’re getting a small bonus not for doing our jobs, but to arm ourselves, train ourselves, and cover our court costs. All so the school can save money on hiring armed guards.”

“Yep. So we’ll be passing around the form, just check the box if you want to take part in this program. We need to know how much we’re gonna be docking your paychecks for higher insurance costs.”

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sagehen  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:06:32am

re: #372 Targetpractice

Ayep. We live in an age where “swatting” is a real thing, and we think giving teens an app that could lead to that bully they don’t like getting a visit from the FBI is a good idea.

FFS

Or the kid being bullied having to endure such visits every month or two.

Or the girl who’s going out with my ex-boyfriend; or the math genius who’s screwing up the curve so I only got a B; or the football player who I get his starting spot if he’s benched; or or or or

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MsJ  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:06:49am

re: #415 Belafon

We should send him to prison and then ask if he thinks having schools the same way wouldn’t be negative.

Or maybe we should stop after the sixth word.

If there’s any justice in the world, prison will be exactly where he’ll wind up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:06:50am
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makeitstop  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:07:02am

re: #414 makeitstop

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Some people have a pretty warped idea of fun.

Also, Junior seems to be emulating the old man’s gut. He’s gonna be a mess in 10 years.

Hope they can find a prison uniform that’ll fit.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:07:33am

re: #409 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

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The kid he’s got in a private school, who now enjoys 24 hr security from the Secret Service?

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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:09:09am

re: #420 MsJ

If there’s any justice in the world, prison will be exactly where he’ll wind up.

I would be fine with the whole family living in exile in Moscow.

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wrenchwench  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:09:21am

re: #406 Stanley Sea

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NetworkKed  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:10:18am

re: #407 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ugh. First I didn’t get it and was frustrated. Then I got it and smiled. Then I realized how old that made me. Really feeling it this week.

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Kragar  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:10:54am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:11:14am
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jaunte  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:12:23am

Not to be a stereotypical CPAC attendee…

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wrenchwench  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:12:24am

re: #426 NetworkKed

Ugh. First I didn’t get it and was frustrated. Then I got it and smiled. Then I realized how old that made me. Really feeling it this week.

Welcome, old hatchling.

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sagehen  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:12:29am

re: #398 Backwoods_Sleuth

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There’s actually a second common theme; domestic violence.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:13:22am

BTW, I was trying to imply that it wasn’t a bad thing that my kid had to go see the counselor. We’ve been trying to tell kids for years to report bullies, kids that look like they might hurt themselves, and kids that might actually want to hurt others. They’ve made all sorts of commercials about it. Cartoon Network even got involved. The abuse has been minimal, if it exists. On the other hand, bullying has been going down from what I’ve heard.

My son kind of fits the profile of someone who might do things to himself, and he knows it (think Daria). He doesn’t do it, but you’re going to get some false positives from kids who actually do care.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:13:41am

re: #197 Bubblehead II

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:13:50am

re: #426 NetworkKed

Ugh. First I didn’t get it and was frustrated. Then I got it and smiled. Then I realized how old that made me. Really feeling it this week.

Right now I have “Roxanne” as an earworm…

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Kragar  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:13:57am
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makeitstop  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:15:17am

re: #426 NetworkKed

Ugh. First I didn’t get it and was frustrated. Then I got it and smiled. Then I realized how old that made me. Really feeling it this week.

Welcome! Did you bring beer?

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:16:11am

re: #401 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lying sack o shit.
Ten second Google

After a three-year investigation by federal, state and local law enforcement authorities, 21 alleged members and associates of Mara Salvatrucha, commonly called MS-13, were taken into custody Wednesday by the Los Angeles Metropolitan Task Force on Violent Gangs (LAMTFVG), law enforcement officials announced in a news conference.

The 21 arrested individuals are among 44 alleged MS-13 gang members who face federal charges, including the former head of the entire gang in Los Angeles and 12 senior leaders of the gang. Of the 44 facing charges, 20 were already in custody and three are considered to be fugitives.

Law enforcement officials say the dozen high-ranking gang members had formed a de facto leadership council for the gang because no one person was willing to take on the top role in the wake of ongoing scrutiny by law enforcement.

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allegro  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:17:07am

Thinking about that town hall last night… any politician, Dem or GOP, who didn’t pay attention to what happened there and the mood is a damn fool. This was not a room full of thousands of democrats. This was a room full of thousands of people of both parties who have come together over a single issue and that is to ban military weapons from civilian hands. Period.

When Marco kept going back to “we are so divided, have to work together” blah blah, he was standing in the middle of an auditorium filled with people who were working together and coming to agreement on this issue. It was this agreement that resulted in every bullshit argument from him and Dana to fall flat on its ass. They weren’t cheering for the Dem Senator and Rep because they were democrats. They were cheering because they, and Sheriff Isreal, were the ones proposing sensible actual solutions, not just more bullshit which was seen right through. The proof of this was the cheers for a heroic teacher who said she voted for Trump and was a supporter but called total bullshit on the arming teachers crap. This wasn’t about politics, it was about taking action against the insanity of our gun culture.

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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:17:23am

re: #435 Kragar

Someone should let him know that threatening the 7th largest economy in the world with pseudo-independence isn’t going to work out the way he thinks it will.

While I’m thinking about it, we’ll take Oregon, Washington, Nevada, and will consider an application from Arizona.

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Interesting Times  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:17:46am

re: #429 jaunte

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Not to be a stereotypical CPAC attendee…

Best reply:

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MsJ  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:17:54am

re: #424 KGxvi

I would be fine with the whole family living in exile in Moscow.

With no money. Confiscated every last dirty potent these criminals have. Then I might be OK.

No. Really. Prison. Moscow isn’t prison and there needs to be consequences. There had to be something to prevent others from pulling a trump in the future.

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:17:55am

re: #435 Kragar

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“Please don’t throw me in that thar briar patch.”

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wrenchwench  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:18:37am

re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth

Right now I have “Roxanne” as an earworm…

Me too, this version:

Eddie Murphy - Roxanne (english)

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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:18:44am

re: #372 Targetpractice

Ayep. We live in an age where “swatting” is a real thing, and we think giving teens an app that could lead to that bully they don’t like getting a visit from the FBI is a good idea.

FFS

this is adult design and thinking about how kids are going to act and react

has just the last 2 weeks taught them nothing?

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MsJ  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:19:30am

re: #434 Backwoods_Sleuth

Right now I have “Roxanne” as an earworm…

You and me both.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:19:33am

re: #390 Backwoods_Sleuth

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KGxvi  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:20:14am

re: #441 MsJ

With no money. Confiscated every last dirty potent these criminals have. Then I might be OK.

No. Really. Prison. Moscow isn’t prison and there needs to be consequences. There had to be something to prevent others from pulling a trump in the future.

Oh, they would definitely have their assets frozen and/or seized. I also imagine them being less than well maintained since Putin would no longer have a use for them.

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NetworkKed  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:20:14am

re: #436 makeitstop

No, I’m just chilling at home today, trying to rest through a bad drug reaction. The doctor suggested something new to get me going during the day, and I stopped being able to sleep. So no beer. Even looking at the cider in the fridge makes me a little ill right now.

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Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:20:42am

And the problem with Cruz is that the reports on him, and there were reports, failed to make any dent in his ability to get a gun.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:21:05am

re: #437 Unshaken Defiance

Lying sack o shit.
Ten second Google

He’s really just pissed off about all the sanctuary city push back, as well as local and state government refusal to cooperate with ICE by being informants.

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MsJ  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:21:14am

re: #438 allegro

Thinking about that town hall last night… any politician, Dem or GOP, who didn’t pay attention to what happened there and the mood is a damn fool. This was not a room full of thousands of democrats. This was a room full of thousands of people of both parties who have come together over a single issue and that is to ban military weapons from civilian hands. Period.

When Marco kept going back to “we are so divided, have to work together” blah blah, he was standing in the middle of an auditorium filled with people who were working together and coming to agreement on this issue. It was this agreement that resulted in every bullshit argument from him and Dana to fall flat on its ass. They weren’t cheering for the Dem Senator and Rep because they were democrats. They were cheering because they, and Sheriff Isreal, were the ones proposing sensible actual solutions, not just more bullshit which was seen right through. The proof of this was the cheers for a heroic teacher who said she voted for Trump and was a supporter but called total bullshit on the arming teachers crap. This wasn’t about politics, it was about taking action against the insanity of our gun culture.

Worse for Marco. This morning he decided to denigrate every attendee by saying they are not in the mainstream.

No way Marco ever runs again. He killed his chances.

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ObserverArt  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:21:41am

re: #394 Backwoods_Sleuth

Aaron Rupar

@atrupar
Replying to @atrupar
TRUMP: “We have to harden our schools, not soften them up. A gun free zone to a killer or somebody that wants to be a killer, that is like going in for ice cream.”

Calls for “hardened schools” and arming teachers. pic.twitter.com

Was the Jason Aldean concert in Vegas in a gun free zone?

Was Pulse Nightclub in a gun free zone?

Was the movie theater in Aurora Colorado in a gun free zone?

Was the small church in Sutherland Springs Texas a gun free zone?

Was the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, California in a gun free zone.

Was Fort Hood and The Washington Navy Yard in gun free zones?

But my big question is why doesn’t the media or someone ask Trump or LaPierre that when they spout the gun free zone bullshit?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:24:37am

re: #414 makeitstop

Some people have a pretty warped idea of fun.

To be honest, it is pretty fun.
Not Mk 19 fun.
But, pretty fun

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Targetpractice  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:24:38am

You can tell Donny Two Scoops had no real hand in raising his spawn because he thinks the way to get cooperation from someone is to threaten to take away the very thing they’re trying to get rid of. It’s like Palpatine threatening to punish a subjugated planet by removing all the stormtroopers.

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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:25:12am

re: #430 wrenchwench

Welcome, old hatchling.

tonight’s pizza night at chez danger

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Kilroy was here  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:26:15am

re: #453 FormerDirtDart

To be honest, it is pretty fun.
Not Mk 19 fun.
But, pretty fun

I’ll take M2 fun for $500

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lawhawk  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:26:42am

That wasn’t a gun free zone either.

It didn’t matter that they had highly trained and proficient USSS agents and police officers in multiple security rings.

They were guarding Reagan - all of those in his detail were willing to take a bullet for Reagan. They were willing to shoot it out with anyone who got in their way that posed a risk.

And yet someone wasn’t deterred or prevented. Reagan nearly died that day.

So spare me that more guns and hardening schools will make people safer. It simply isn’t true.

Fewer guns will mean fewer gun deaths and lower crime.

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dangerman  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:27:12am

re: #438 allegro

Thinking about that town hall last night… any politician, Dem or GOP, who didn’t pay attention to what happened there and the mood is a damn fool. This was not a room full of thousands of democrats. This was a room full of thousands of people of both parties who have come together over a single issue and that is to ban military weapons from civilian hands. Period.

When Marco kept going back to “we are so divided, have to work together” blah blah, he was standing in the middle of an auditorium filled with people who were working together and coming to agreement on this issue. It was this agreement that resulted in every bullshit argument from him and Dana to fall flat on its ass. They weren’t cheering for the Dem Senator and Rep because they were democrats. They were cheering because they, and Sheriff Isreal, were the ones proposing sensible actual solutions, not just more bullshit which was seen right through. The proof of this was the cheers for a heroic teacher who said she voted for Trump and was a supporter but called total bullshit on the arming teachers crap. This wasn’t about politics, it was about taking action against the insanity of our gun culture.

when marco said we were divided he meant him and the gop/nra/cpap vs everyone who wants to do something positive and effective

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Amory Blaine  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:27:57am

Mother fucker!!! I’ve been giving him money!!!?!!1111++7&°℅¢thythty

Sanders to speak at Randy Bryce rally in Racine

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Kragar  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:28:42am

re: #453 FormerDirtDart

To be honest, it is pretty fun.
Not Mk 19 fun.
But, pretty fun

Most fun I ever had shooting was live fire trench clearing with an M-249, where I had a guy behind me with a sack of live grenades, and a M-240 was laying down live fire about 20 ft ahead of us.

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makeitstop  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:29:57am

re: #448 NetworkKed

No, I’m just chilling at home today, trying to rest through a bad drug reaction. The doctor suggested something new to get me going during the day, and I stopped being able to sleep. So no beer. Even looking at the cider in the fridge makes me a little ill right now.

Yikes! Feel better.

We’ll take a rain check on the beer. :)

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wrenchwench  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:32:05am

I got a ‘reverse nine hundred and eleven’ phone call this morning, which is what they called it, just to keep me wondering wtf was going on. It was calling off the alert that I never did get about a school shooting incident. It said the incident had been confirmed to be limited to the Springfield, Ohio area, and was being investigated by their local authorities and the FBI.

One thousand six hundred and fifty miles from here. More or less. Makes me feel like they’re really on top of things. Somewhere.

Apparently, any high school with an ‘s’ in the name is a possibility.

‘School’ has an ‘s’ in it.

463
allegro  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:32:36am

re: #459 Amory Blaine

Mother fucker!!! I’ve been giving him money!!!?!!1111++7&°℅¢thythty

Sanders to speak at Randy Bryce rally in Racine

I don’t have a problem with this. Bryce needs all the support he can get and if Bernie can garner a few more votes for him, good.

464
Anymouse 🌹  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:32:44am

re: #340 Backwoods_Sleuth

*SPIT*

whitehouse.gov

Half-staff notice for Billy Graham on the day of his interment.

465
Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:33:02am

At CPAC, conservatives eye candidates and dates

….the chance of meeting a potential spouse is a real pull, and Moore recalled meeting someone terrific on the first night. “When we were talking about views … I’d say, ‘I just think this way’ and he’d be like, ‘yeah, totally!’” she said. “We were compatible.”

CPACers going for the vegan chick.

466
Kragar  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:33:17am

re: #462 wrenchwench

We got an email this morning that there was a threat made against my kids school.

467
Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:33:39am

re: #459 Amory Blaine

Interesting: Randy Bryce has unionized his campaign staff: theintercept.com, and wants to do the same to his congressional staff if he wins.

468
goddamnedfrank  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:35:02am

...

469
Belafon  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:36:29am

re: #468 goddamnedfrank

When the End Times came, Lisa was the only one of the family being called to heaven.

470
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:36:37am

re: #460 Kragar

Most fun I ever had shooting was live fire trench clearing with an M-249, where I had a guy behind me with a sack of live grenades, and a M-240 was laying down live fire about 20 ft ahead of us.

yeah, live trench clearing can be pretty exciting. Got to do one at Ft Polk with live 105 prep fires as we advanced to the assault position.

471
wrenchwench  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:37:25am

re: #466 Kragar

We got an email this morning that there was a threat made against my kids school.

May they always be wrong with this stuff.

472
ObserverArt  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:39:24am

re: #426 NetworkKed

Ugh. First I didn’t get it and was frustrated. Then I got it and smiled. Then I realized how old that made me. Really feeling it this week.

Hi new LGF member!

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Dr. Matt  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:43:47am

re: #465 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I would put the rabbit next to the chicken and draw the line to the left of the rabbit. IMO.

474
ObserverArt  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:47:27am

re: #462 wrenchwench

I got a ‘reverse nine hundred and eleven’ phone call this morning, which is what they called it, just to keep me wondering wtf was going on. It was calling off the alert that I never did get about a school shooting incident. It said the incident had been confirmed to be limited to the Springfield, Ohio area, and was being investigated by their local authorities and the FBI.

One thousand six hundred and fifty miles from here. More or less. Makes me feel like they’re really on top of things. Somewhere.

Apparently, any high school with an ‘s’ in the name is a possibility.

‘School’ has an ‘s’ in it.

I am about 45 miles from Springfield…and did not get an emergency call. WTF?

475
Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:49:53am

re: #473 Dr. Matt

I would put the rabbit next to the chicken and draw the line to the left of the rabbit. IMO.

Because all animals want to live, a lot of them kill other animals, who also wanted to live, to live.

476
wrenchwench  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:57:12am

re: #474 ObserverArt

I am about 45 miles from Springfield…and did not get an emergency call. WTF?

WTF, indeed.

Last week, they had to evacuate a whole neighborhood because when the city cleaned out somebody’s sewer, a few hours later they found out that they had torn a natural gas line that had been routed IN the sewer line, when people for blocks around smelled the gas, which was travelling through the sewer.

At least the Denny’s hasn’t caught fire again, yet. It’s almost a year old!

477
MsJ  Feb 22, 2018 • 11:58:19am

re: #463 allegro

I don’t have a problem with this. Bryce needs all the support he can get and if Bernie can garner a few more votes for him, good.

Except Bernie is the kiss of death.

Crap. I had high hopes for Randy.

478
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 22, 2018 • 12:09:44pm

re: #400 Targetpractice

The “armed teachers” bit is why Trump is getting away with the “I’m cool with gun control” bit. Wayne knows the former will be the way forward, while the latter will get bogged down in committee and quietly killed away from the public eye.

and he is being praised for being “Presidential” and coming up with “practical solutions”

479
TedStriker  Feb 22, 2018 • 12:14:40pm

re: #404 ObserverArt

And the short hairs…of Emma.

re: #411 wrenchwench

Hair will never not be political. It’s a personal choice that won’t be hidden. And if it is hidden, that’s political even more so.

First thing I thought of when I saw that pic of Emma Gonzalez with her hair in that buzzcut was Vasquez from Aliens…and Emma’s turning out to be just as tough, taking no shit from anyone.

480
Decatur Deb  Feb 22, 2018 • 12:16:18pm

re: #459 Amory Blaine

Mother fucker!!! I’ve been giving him money!!!?!!1111++7&°℅¢thythty

Sanders to speak at Randy Bryce rally in Racine

So have I, and I’m glad he’s getting help from Sanders (or Beelzebub, for that matter). We are going to need every fucking vote we can get n November.

481
Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 22, 2018 • 12:16:19pm

re: #479 TedStriker

First thing I thought of when I saw that pic of Emma Gonzalez with her hair in that buzzcut was Vasquez from Aliens…and Emma’s turning out to be just as tough, taking no shit from anyone.

“You always were an asshole, Gorman.”

482
Decatur Deb  Feb 22, 2018 • 12:17:41pm

re: #467 Belafon

Interesting: Randy Bryce has unionized his campaign staff: theintercept.com, and wants to do the same to his congressional staff if he wins.

Bryce is a union official.

483
Jay C  Feb 22, 2018 • 12:24:00pm

re: #450 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s really just pissed off about all the sanctuary city push back, as well as local and state government refusal to cooperate with ICE by being informants.

True: but also: does this moron not know - or wants to try to make somebody - anybody - believe that ICE is the only law-enforcement agency concerning itself with violent immigrant gangs like MS-13? Or that all the various federal, state and local LE personnel in the State are just sitting around drinking coffee and eating donuts rather than going after these dangerous criminals?
If Trump does carry through with this hollow threat, I hope some state/local cops make a major bust of MS-13, and make rubbing Trump’s nose in his ICE bullshit a major feature of the perp-walks….

484
gwangung  Feb 22, 2018 • 12:43:14pm

re: #297 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Good morning, all. I posted this once before, but here it is again: Prime Reading (download free if you have Amazon Prime and a Kindle) has put Black Panther Vol. 1 on their list.

At this time, this means get it free and keep it as long as you want.

I cannot give this enough updings…

GET THIS VOLUME!


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